after being told it was bad XD
#h2-builds-and-combat
spark crown
next lake
If u use Death and lose Death Defiances, you have to spend gold or rewards to regain those DDs. Unlike using strength, where you can just heal the damage which is more efficient
vernal quiver
Or play pain3 where no dds will just get you killed in random spots
spark crown
after being told it was bad XD
that is where my 60f journey started
next lake
4 arcana down the drain
cursive kindle
Not exactly
next lake
your name makes me miss sisyphus from the first game
cursive kindle
I can see use in using both
spark crown
4 arcana down the drain
just wait till you learn i wasnt a furies player and barly casted anyway
cursive kindle
Probably not a great idea though
vernal quiver
Probably not a great idea though
65f judgment 🗣🔥🔥🔥
spark crown
Idk what you mean by that :(
the arcana card judgement
next lake
Is turning on denial on a fates whim run bad?
cursive kindle
the arcana card judgement
What about it?
spark crown
What about it?
you only have 6 grasp with 65f so you have to use judgement
spark crown
My highest fear is 12 or 16😭
embrace the chaos jump to 60f
vernal quiver
Is turning on denial on a fates whim run bad?
No
spark crown
like i did
vernal quiver
65f sounds very difficult to beat
Im like the worst person to ask since to me 65f is just 62f but with a worse start so its kinda free if im not bad
cursive kindle
like i did
Do 67f blindfolded
spark crown
Do 67f blindfolded
thats something to ask foolish to do
cursive kindle
Im like the worst person to ask since to me 65f is just 62f but with a worse sta...
Oh i wasnt asking a question, i just just telling something
vernal quiver
But is it less fun
Denial is generally a nothing vow, most of the time you fish for like 1 or 2 things from a god anyway so removing things just makes other things more guaranteed
cursive kindle
thats something to ask foolish to do
Why wont you? Are you scared?
spark crown
i cant even clear erebus on 60f XD
spark crown
i also dont own a blindfold
next lake
Denial is generally a nothing vow, most of the time you fish for like 1 or 2 thi...
I rly like going for legendaries and it's hard with denial on. I only plan to go up until 32 heat tho
But it could be free fear
spark crown
Then do 67f with reverse controls
if i wanted to go to hell i would summon a demon to take me there
wait thats not english XD
cursive kindle
If you want to go to hell just enter the door there, it doesnt even need to be unlocked like the surface
spark crown
im to tired to be funny
cursive kindle
Wrong!
vernal quiver
I rly like going for legendaries and it's hard with denial on. I only plan to go...
Oh I can give you a 32 setup
cursive kindle
You are tired enough to be funny!
spark crown
Oh I can give you a 32 setup
Give them my og arcana setup fr fr
next lake
Oh I can give you a 32 setup
Sure! I'm prolly only doing fates whim runs from now on
I find them more fun
vernal quiver
cursive kindle
Idk if im a fates whim player. I guess i am, cuz i suck at planing builds
next lake
Frenzy on 2 ur insane
spark crown
mines better fr fr https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMSwwLDAsMiwyLDAsMCwwLDYsMywwLDAsMTJd (i have to say this is a joke)
vernal quiver
Frenzy makes timer easier 🥀
spark crown
Frenzy on 2 ur insane
frenzy is easy T_T
next lake
I've been so scared to turn that on
cursive kindle
Chronos is lucky skellemeus isnt the one that wanted to kill him
vernal quiver
You can do menace2 if you only want frenzy1
spark crown
I've been so scared to turn that on
play a few runs with just frenzy 2 to build the muscle memory
vernal quiver
I've been so scared to turn that on
Its a muscle memory diff, once you get used to it its nothing
Im at a point where no frenzy feels too slow lmao
spark crown
frrrrr
old plover
Question for speedrunning specifically: Is the miniboss room in Ephyra ever worth it? I know in H1 miniboss rooms were usually preferred as they'd be faster than regular enemy rooms on average, but I'm not sure if this holds in H2.
spark crown
Question for speedrunning specifically: Is the miniboss room in Ephyra ever wort...
right side miniboss no left side yes
vernal quiver
Yes very, but specifically towards the ends of the rooms
next lake
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMiwwLDAsMSwzLDIsNSwwLDAsMiwwLDMsMCwyLDAsMTJd
This is my planned build for 32
spark crown
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMiwwLDAsMSwzLDIsNSwwLDAs...
HOW CAN IT BE WORSE THAN MINE T_T
vernal quiver
Do not have grit and hoards that high they'll make timer a pain
old plover
Which one's left again? I remember right being the boar...
vernal quiver
Debt is free especially with chrolex, and frenzy(at least frenzy1) is a lot easier than youd think
next lake
I should prolly do that frenzy thing then
spark crown
Which one's left again? I remember right being the boar...
the soldier/mercanary iirc
vernal quiver
Which one's left again? I remember right being the boar...
Metal is crazy both minibosses are takes cuz they're quick at low fear
old plover
ah right
vernal quiver
Void is a no go until 62+
spark crown
Is void always a no go for 32 heat
differs from player to player
i dont mind it but i get yelled at every time i use it
vernal quiver
Fangs2 can be mean and is avoidable
spark crown
certain fang perks suck
next lake
And menace too is kinda free no?
vernal quiver
Although at 32 its more bearable cuz no grit/hoards
vernal quiver
And menace too is kinda free no?
Yeah
spark crown
pull + double damage, Double speed + Double damage
spark crown
not the worst
next lake
Denial always has me on the menu scrolling through duo boons
vernal quiver
How fast are your runs on average??
next lake
And its so mind wrecking
next lake
How fast are your runs on average??
For the first region i usually have 1:30 to spare
And sometimes i like to use that minute or so for zagzag
If he ever shows up
Also why does zag hit like a damn truck
vernal quiver
Don't take him lol
next lake
I play with strength and he hits for so much
vernal quiver
He's always a waste, and as long as youre under 20 minutes for the entire run timer3 is free especially with frenzy
next lake
I'll check my night minute average after this run
In 60+ heat Plum, are you only limited to a few aspects?
vernal quiver
No every aspect has done 62, a lot 65, and only a few 67 but that's because there isn't many 65 and 67 runners
There are some easier than others though
vernal quiver
I.e. the less mana dependant, less boons you need, and safer the damage the better, so stuff like melinoe aspects, circe, medea, persephone, so on so forth
tall notch
Fear goes up to 67
vernal quiver
67 heat? But it only goes until 64
Oh you dont have rivals4 then
next lake
Oh i missed time
vernal quiver
Nvm that then ig
next lake
I.e. the less mana dependant, less boons you need, and safer the damage the bett...
Daggers are bad then
Honestly deserved
vernal quiver
Kindaa?? Melinoe knives has done 67
willow jacinth
question: say that an enemy only has daze and blitz on them, thus they have origination. When the blitz procs, does it have the origination boost? or is the dmg boost gone since blitz is technically no longer 'on' the enemy?
vernal quiver
question: say that an enemy only has daze and blitz on them, thus they have orig...
It loses origination right when blitz leaves but then you apply it again, so functionally 100% uptime
But blitz will get the origination buff
next lake
as a rule of thumb, when something says "attacks" it only includes basic attacks and not omega attacks?
Like hammers or boons
old plover
No, it specifically effects all your left clicks
vernal quiver
Plural means both, singular means just base attack
old plover
But not your specials
next lake
So say that 35% attack speed on the axe, it will also affect omega charge time?
willow jacinth
as a rule of thumb, when something says "attacks" it only includes basic attacks...
someone cleared this up for my yesterday! 'Attacks' with an s, as in plural, means both regular and omega. While 'Attack' only means regular attacks.
willow jacinth
Plural means both, singular means just base attack
yep
next lake
someone cleared this up for my yesterday! 'Attacks' with an s, as in plural, mea...
that's just ingenious design honestly
So intuitive
willow jacinth
that's just ingenious design honestly
the tooltip for its is a little meh, but fine readin technically tells you this
but yea it is intuitive
I imagine I wouldnt have had to ask this if english was my first language
old plover
So say that 35% attack speed on the axe, it will also affect omega charge time?
I believe that attack speed specifically does not impact charge time, but I might be off on that.
Since charge time is its own separate thing
So like, you'll spin faster once charged up, but you won't charge faster
next lake
Ohh you spin faster
vernal quiver
Test it! Drop into skelly with thanatos O special then with mel axe, assuming thats what youre referring to
next lake
Theres a hammer i believe that gives attack speed but i dunno if it affects the omega so i almost never take it
willow jacinth
ok what the hell, im on my fastest clear ever and on 20 heat, this is the first time I have tried using origination and zeus
flint widget
oh rapid hack ye that affects the omega attack too
willow jacinth
well first time using zeus seriously
flint widget
same thing with furies
willow jacinth
Also Vow of speed or whatever its called on R4 Chronos is Geeking
flint widget
frenzy
willow jacinth
Grandpa is tweaking
flint widget
nah hes going ultra instinct
willow jacinth
same thing with furies
I always had furies, always seemed really good
next lake
I miss the mechanic from hades 1 where you get interest on hoarded gold after every fight
Btw is the legendary from hermes good
I was always of the opinion that it was awful
willow jacinth
Origination is a must take
I just overestimated the difficulty of having 2 curses constantly
next lake
I just overestimated the difficulty of having 2 curses constantly
You always have it on honestly
Just be mindful of your build
vernal quiver
I was always of the opinion that it was awful
Kinda, very situational
willow jacinth
personal fastest 20 heat clearon mel axe🥳
vernal quiver
Anytime before r4 boss its risky since you could just lose all your money if you stop being careful, but with say low fear chrolex you kinda become invincible unless you facetank literally everything
willow jacinth
Blitz is insane
vernal quiver
Yup
Zeus and hera are 2 of the best gods in the game for a reason, their curses are just insane
viral yew
Die
willow jacinth
I also got the zeus-hestia duo for extra scorch on top of my heroic lvl 7 fire cast
so much scorch that i didnt even need to worry about origination
vernal quiver
Chat I think we do hel 62 and 65 tonight
next lake
Scorch is what hangover wished it wouls be
vernal quiver
Chat I think we do hel 62 and 65 tonight
Im itchin to get a different high fear weapon clear
willow jacinth
Chat I think we do hel 62 and 65 tonight
65
vernal quiver
Im gonna do both i havent even done a skull 62 🥀
Ive gotten to chronos like twice with medea but choked or just stopped paying attention
spark crown
Ive gotten to chronos like twice with medea but choked or just stopped paying at...
That's cuz Medea bad fr fr
vernal quiver
No its cuz im bad 🥀
willow jacinth
Should I complete 20 heat with all aspects when I have only beat it with 5 of them, or shoudl I start balling at 32?
viral yew
Should I complete 20 heat with all aspects when I have only beat it with 5 of th...
Go for 32
willow jacinth
Is hubris very bad?
vernal quiver
Its ez
If you play a low mana weapon it doesnt matter, if you need mana its only a slight issue until you get a gain boon and a couple magic pots
willow jacinth
Grit 3
Frenzy 1
Hordes 1
Menace 2
Fangs 1
Scars 1
Shadow 1
Time 2
Hubris 2
Rivals 4
Is this good for 32 heat?
vernal quiver
Id take off grit3 and hoards and do timer3 and debt1
old plover
Anyone know if there's a pattern to where Eris lands after flying up into the air, particularly right after a phase shift?
median anvil
Anyone know if there's a pattern to where Eris lands after flying up into the ai...
there isn't, she just avoids landing near the fires
all the oil and a short distance around it
old plover
Does she always fly up after the last time she's impervious?
Or did I just get unlucky right now?
median anvil
Is this good for 32 heat?
drop grit and frenzy and hordes, add time3 and denial and scars2 and pain1
median anvil
Does she always fly up after the last time she's impervious?
she will fly up 99% of the time after phase transitions yes
vernal quiver
Bro what 🥀
old plover
Pain 0 Grit 0 is crazy
median anvil
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMywzLDIsNSwxLDIs...
all good except hordes
vernal quiver
Like bro just take rivals 😔
spark crown
Bro what 🥀
im not even lying thats what i used
spark crown
Like bro just take rivals 😔
No
willow jacinth
drop grit and frenzy and hordes, add time3 and denial and scars2 and pain1
my bumass is too bad for scars 2🥀
But I shall try nonetheless!
spark crown
my bumass is too bad for scars 2🥀
try my layout fr fr
vernal quiver
Don't do anything metal tells you 🥀
spark crown
🥀
old plover
tbf, Rival Polyphemus is kinda brutal. But then again, it's so early in the run you can just keep bashing your head at it until you win.
spark crown
Don't do anything metal tells you 🥀
im training @bitter wren pretty well
vernal quiver
tbf, Rival Polyphemus is kinda brutal. But then again, it's so early in the run ...
Imo surface bosses are a joke until rivals prom, hes mean
Poly is just a dont get poisoned constantly check
spark crown
old plover
Easier said than done, when >50% of the ground is covered in poison trails
vernal quiver
You'd be surprised how generous the hitbox for those is
spark crown
You'd be surprised how generous the hitbox for those is
Propaganda
willow jacinth
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/jMUnopUXnIbNrYXAw89KWmzPk0pOunHnIYU...
yall find cerbie easy?
vernal quiver
Dawg ive done 65f 😭 idk how hes such a bane for you
spark crown
yall find cerbie easy?
yup
willow jacinth
rivals cerbie is my biggest roadblock
vernal quiver
yall find cerbie easy?
Yuh, easiest rivals boss next to Eris id say
spark crown
eris and easy in the same sentance
vernal quiver
Like Eris, poly, and cerbie are never issues
willow jacinth
maybe i just dont understand the fight ig
vernal quiver
He's a bit unintuitive icl
willow jacinth
phase feels like there is literally nowhere to go when he slams on the ground
old plover
lowkey Eris gets easier with Rivals active
vernal quiver
TRUUUUUE
viral yew
lowkey Eris gets easier with Rivals active
AMEN
old plover
The arena gets smaller, less places for her to run. And the shotgun attack doesn't happen anymore
vernal quiver
phase feels like there is literally nowhere to go when he slams on the ground
My tip is dont be afraid to take lava damage and get used to iframing the floor bite circle things
viral yew
The arena gets smaller, less places for her to run. And the shotgun attack doesn...
Well kinda does
spark crown
hestia eos run time
viral yew
In the three flame things
old plover
In the three flame things
Yeah but that one's so much less threatening than the regular shotgun attack it's actually funny.
viral yew
Yeah but that one's so much less threatening than the regular shotgun attack it'...
Coughing baby vs Hydrogen bombs
spark crown
hestia eos run time
nvm hera special
vernal quiver
Hera special eos is so funny
The damage is dogass on bosses but in rooms everythung turns green and dies
old plover
Quick side question: The Asphodel bits were story-only, right? I'm not at risk of being transported to Asphodel after having finished the main story?
vernal quiver
No its very possible
old plover
OH
viral yew
Still happens
vernal quiver
Happens every so often for me, its a super quick room though since you can just leave the circle, it drops to zero, and the room is cleared but no reward
spark crown
Quick side question: The Asphodel bits were story-only, right? I'm not at risk o...
entirely random
vernal quiver
So I just leave the circle unless I really want the reward especially on higher fears
vernal quiver
Insane choice
viral yew
Happens every so often for me, its a super quick room though since you can just ...
I both hate it and love it for speedruns
spark crown
IT WAS A ACIDENT
viral yew
It's either slower than the next room or faster
vernal quiver
IT WAS A ACIDENT
"Accident" and its a reading diff
spark crown
welp 3dds down and i aint even made it to rivals poly
vernal quiver
Bro how 🥀
spark crown
Swords
next lake
phase feels like there is literally nowhere to go when he slams on the ground
That's actually from one of his taunt attacks. He kinda goes like he's trying to hear you, waiting you to attack. He then jumps up and slams an almost avoidable rock on the ground if you do attack him
spark crown
EVERYTHING IS GOOD I ROLLED BORN GAIN AT CHARON
next lake
That's actually from one of his taunt attacks. He kinda goes like he's trying to...
Oh wait r we talkin abt poly rivals here
spark crown
POLY WAS 1 hit NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
viral yew
vernal quiver
Its eos you dont even have to be next to him 🥀
next lake
I tried frenzy 2 and fought zag region 1. Goddah
spark crown
Its eos you dont even have to be next to him 🥀
i couldnt see his ring through the hera and blast fry spam
vernal quiver
I tried frenzy 2 and fought zag region 1. Goddah
Just stop taking zag bro it ain't worth it 😭
spark crown
and it did 37 damage T_T
(im lieing proably
guys gals and pals should i run strength over death
viral yew
NO
vernal quiver
Aren't you doing 60f...
spark crown
yes
next lake
Just stop taking zag bro it ain't worth it 😭
Are there situations where it is? I'm a timer 2 kinda guy and I feel like I have time to spare for zag still at the end of my nights
vernal quiver
Then no 😭 strength meant you died wayyy earlier that run
viral yew
No gale?
vernal quiver
Are there situations where it is? I'm a timer 2 kinda guy and I feel like I have...
His rewards just arent worth it, and once you get to timer3 he's extra not worth it, and the risk of taking 50 damage for messing up once is a bit much
next lake
His rewards just arent worth it, and once you get to timer3 he's extra not worth...
His damage is excessive to say the least
spark crown
(she needs to stop blocking 1 damage)
next lake
For 32 heat, is death or strength recommended
vernal quiver
gale isnt working out
You die faster with toula
You dont take toula for the dd
Since gale is more effective health anyway especially with pain3
next lake
You dont take toula for the dd
20 health wow
vernal quiver
For 32 heat, is death or strength recommended
Death is always safer! But strength is technically better until pain and scars gets added on
next lake
I dont have pain or scars so im good
vernal quiver
Yeah then feel free to strength :3
next lake
I love strength its my boy
viral yew
Strength is way better for 32 yes
willow jacinth
Am i missing something? I take less damage on Rivals Chronos than Rivals Cerbie
vernal quiver
Am i missing something? I take less damage on Rivals Chronos than Rivals Cerbie
Lowkey same icl
willow jacinth
granted I dont have the best build rn but still
viral yew
I nearly always hitless rivals cerb and eat it at chronos
next lake
man chrolex op wtf.
willow jacinth
I nearly always hitless rivals cerb and eat it at chronos
damn
next lake
I nearly always hitless rivals cerb and eat it at chronos
I havent seen chronos rivals yet
Something i should be scared of?
vernal quiver
Uhhhh p3 with frenzy is evil
viral yew
vernal quiver
Otherwise p1 and 2 are pretty free
median anvil
https://imgur.com/a/vMd79UT
zeus abusing pom pom pom ahh circe player 🙄
viral yew
And that's my best p3
vernal quiver
Cerb goes from free asf or a timer nightmare icl
willow jacinth
https://imgur.com/a/vMd79UT
How are the slams not hitting you?
viral yew
Iframes/lovers/nitro boost
willow jacinth
I must be the slowest mf on the planet
median anvil
How are the slams not hitting you?
the ever dependable iframes
willow jacinth
I ate 96 damage to cerbie fireball attack rn
where he launches like 100s of them
wow
median anvil
I ate 96 damage to cerbie fireball attack rn
yeah that's his hardest attack to dodge
willow jacinth
i absolutely ADORE getting to tartarus on 1 DD
vernal quiver
Antler 🗣🔥🔥
median anvil
i absolutely ADORE getting to tartarus on 1 DD
antler time
willow jacinth
but I have 242 HP?!?!?!😭
zealous crag
How in the heck does Supay actually work? It suddenly went from being painfully bad in Erebus to unreasonably fast and agile somewhere in Oceanus, and I don't know why. And the little orbs orbiting count as attack?
spark crown
I HATE HEACLES HES SO 
ANNOYING
willow jacinth
Wicked thrasher plus mirrored thrasher plus flutter strike plus enshrouded strike🗣️
next lake
Ik aspect of medea is good but holy damn am i awful with it
spark crown
MAN STUNNED ME 4 TIMES IN A ROW LEADING TO 3 DDS LOST
viral yew
How in the heck does Supay actually work? It suddenly went from being painfully ...
It auto attacks and the specials are always out
You can oattack and ospecial
next lake
Btw does persephone aspect and jeweled pom stack?
viral yew
Yes
next lake
Now that's fun
willow jacinth
chamber 1 dual moonshot was my downfall ,shouldnt have taken volcanic flourish i suppose
vernal quiver
What weapon??
willow jacinth
What weapon??
dual moonshot
"what weapon"?
(jk jk, it was melinoe)
vernal quiver
Lol yeah volcanic flourish is crazy especially with a dual moonshot start
vernal quiver
If it was anything but melinoe id say it wouldnt matter too much since mel staff dual moonshot insane
vernal quiver
i just needed more range
Nah you needed antler 😌
spark crown
me when ive got ephyra setup but someone lastnight got me to take off eternity so im getting cooked
upbeat matrix
Eternity OP isn't it
spark crown
yeah i was told to switch it with artificer
upbeat matrix
Artificer is bait.
spark crown
indeed
viral yew
Artificer on surface is bait
vernal quiver
Artificer on surface is the only reason thessaly has any rewards 😭
vernal quiver
Posted links too fast apparently
spark crown
Nah nah thats fair
willow jacinth
Whats the easiest non core boon way of getting an additional curse
I have apphro attack zeus special aphro gain hestia cast and ares dash
that last one was a misplay dont crucify me
viral yew
I have apphro attack zeus special aphro gain hestia cast and ares dash
You have 3 alr
willow jacinth
true, im looking for either of the zeus or hestia boons which let me cast from faraway
viral yew
Why?
willow jacinth
i can consistently get origination on hordes, but not on single target
that might be a me problem tho
viral yew
Sounds like it
spark crown
now that dyno wont kill me im doing metal saga #self-promotion message
willow jacinth
Seething marauder goes hard af on aphro attack
vernal quiver
Seething marauder is just amazing
Dashing heave + seething marauder is the mel axe dream
manic shuttle
noice
spark crown
mini boss in olympus killed me so its back to 60f
its time for me to play medea
apollo strike medea
bitter wren
now that dyno wont kill me im doing metal saga https://discord.com/channels/4568...
hes throwing rn
vernal quiver
when isnt he atp
spark crown
WTH
flint widget
apollo strike medea
surely you'll hit parray and born gain after right
spark crown
I AM NOT
spark crown
surely you'll hit parray and born gain after right
no hera T_T
but i got the one where skulls explode when hitting the ground
flint widget
tf is that
spark crown
yalls fav aspect sucks btw
flint widget
yalls fav aspect sucks btw
well its cuz u have skill issue
all my homies love medea
spark crown
i dont enjoy being in range to be kicked in the head by poly
flint widget
well that's a skill issue
spark crown
how much respect do i lose if my first 60f clear is a godmode run
viral yew
All of it
viral yew
Slightly less
spark crown
welp guess im rerolling till i get a fine line ares run
bitter wren
Slightly less
I say all(I haven't even beat temu squidward)
spark crown
MEDEA WAS INVIBLE AND DROPED POISON ON MY HEAD?????????
Genuinly the only reason i lost there
old plover
Are there genuine contenders in the speedrunning and/or high fear community who use Golden Pom over god summoning keepsakes? I feel like the benefit from pom is kinda huge, but I also recognize that you'll probably end up resetting like 18 or more room 1s to get at least a rare Zeus Special (or whatever else you're looking for, depending on aspect)
viral yew
Are there genuine contenders in the speedrunning and/or high fear community who ...
Pom is the high fear meta
Every max fear and almost every 62 and 65 has been done with it
old plover
OH
flint widget
erm actually
viral yew
There can be alot of resetting tho
spark crown
viral yew
erm actually
You can be quiet actually
flint widget
in early access all of the high fear clears were with god keepsakes
spark crown
also sorry for the buzzing noise T_T idk why its doing that
viral yew
You know full well that's not what i'm talking about
flint widget
same thing with foolishs 67f clear in early access
viral yew
THE CURRENT META IS POM
old plover
You mean in the patches before golden pom was released? I don't actually know if that's the case, I started playing the game after full release
flint widget
why are u booing me im right
viral yew
why are u booing me im right
I hope u stub ur toe
spark crown
https://www.twitch.tv/metal_maniac431/clip/DeterminedWrongChoughCopyThis-dgF0doP...
im not going crazy right
flint widget
Every max fear and almost every 62 and 65 has been done with it
i was correcting this one
viral yew
im not going crazy right
She bonked you dude idk
flint widget
Pom is the high fear meta
for speedruns god keepsakes have more consistency but jpom has more potential
viral yew
I am aware
flint widget
yeah i was adding onto that statement
viral yew
Before she shows up yes
spark crown
She is invisible till she goes to disapear
viral yew
Mhm
old plover
for speedruns god keepsakes have more consistency but jpom has more potential
But current runners all use god keepsakes, right?
Or like, top contenders on the ladder?
viral yew
For speedruns yes
spark crown
I FIXED 90% of the buzzing from my mic 
T_T
viral yew
At least on uw, I don't keep up with surface
Cause it's practically base uw you don't really need the extra power from pom
flint widget
But current runners all use god keepsakes, right?
not all
theres some runners like i who use jpom and still get good times
vernal quiver
chat hel 62 1dd im confident against chronos kinda do i antler or pin
flint widget
yeah surface meta is jpom since uh ephyra gives u a lotta boons
old plover
AH yeah that checks out
flint widget
if u don't like the godpool u can just reset
old plover
Might be the one I'm gonna get into then
viral yew
Yeah ephrya is waaaaay better than erebus
flint widget
ephyra is more consistent but erebus is faster
old plover
In my layperson's mind, Ephyra feels like the slowest region overall, up or down.
viral yew
I mean olympus is worse
Ephrya is like 1.30 for me
Bout the same as my good erebus times
old plover
Ah, Olympus is always the region I'm using Leaf on, which might contribute to me thinking it's faster
old plover
That's a good point actually
I think I misunderstood it originally, and then never went back to reconsider
viral yew
Always region 2 😭
flint widget
olympus is almost always gorgon amulet cuz athena pauses timer when she arrives
it's worth it even though it disables jpom
cuz like u already got ur build setup in the first two regions
viral yew
And then antler last region
viral yew
So god keepsake/pom->Leaf->Amulet->Antler
vernal quiver
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912456622440325213/1454455401541013615/image.png?ex=695126a6&is=694fd526&hm=a531b067ecfcbaa89352efe9cac40e94aebc97105d4630b94c377f1be366b037&
i think i win these
also shoutout denial for confirming trusty shield in the pre chronos shop
i have 2 gale blocks too
flint widget
if ur too scared to use antler lion fang is a good alternative but it doesn't replace the goat
old plover
Oh ffs..... I think I need to step up my game to make Antler work for Peak lmao. There's no way I beat Typhon with 30 HP.
viral yew
Yeah it's scary at first
vernal quiver
i have 2 gale blocks too
no deep dissent makes me sad though
vernal quiver
Oh ffs..... I think I need to step up my game to make Antler work for Peak lmao....
yeah antler is scary until you realize typhon cant move
flint widget
u can't die if everything dies in one or two hits tho
vernal quiver
so he just explodes and never gets to attack more than twice
viral yew
Pretty much
@old plover https://imgur.com/a/c4VoQPJ
Just don't watch the ending, big spoilers
flint widget
but tbh surface needs more rng to line up to get good times with
you need to get good ephyra rooms with good rewards then u have to pray that thessaly and olympus aren't ass
summit is fine
old plover
<@236848794820411393> https://imgur.com/a/c4VoQPJ
Aight checks out
vernal quiver
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912456622440325213/1454455401541013615/im...
ok yeah im pissed about this actually
i hate 2nd half of p2 chronos since you cant see a damn thing
and p3 was evil since it spawned the circle thing right on top of where i was so it was impossible to react to
viral yew
flint widget
krill issue
old plover
Starving whales be like:
viral yew
flint widget
that was so funny i forgot to laugh
surreal hazel
Still issue
flint widget
could've been a kill issue
surreal hazel
Not enough cash: Bill issue
flint widget
kill bill?
spark crown
https://www.twitch.tv/metal_maniac431/clip/DeterminedWrongChoughCopyThis-dgF0doP...
its been half a hour and im still pissed about this
old plover
its been half a hour and im still pissed about this
What caused her to be invis again? eli5 pls
spark crown
https://www.twitch.tv/metal_maniac431/clip/DeterminedWrongChoughCopyThis-dgF0doP...
ive been tabbed out since the death XD
viral yew
What caused her to be invis again? eli5 pls
Medea disappears and reappears
spark crown
Dosnt make her invisible -_-
flint widget
medea dissappears cuz she's disappointed that u have so much skill issue
spark crown
she appears and drops poiosn not drops poison and appears for .1 seconds before vanisihing
spark crown
medea dissappears cuz she's disappointed that u have so much skill issue
if it wasnt for that i would have passed poly
old plover
I mean she was clearly there, you can see the invulnerable-animation, her model just isn't shown
spark crown
genuinely i still got him down to 1 hp
vernal quiver
Dosnt make her invisible -_-
yeah her model just not showing up is crazy
since i tend to react to her model or the white flash, and you couldnt get either
also shoutout me not looking at the rooms when i went into a midshop and taking zeus special when i was offered static shock too and hera was a boss reward
spark crown
i was too locked in and didnt see the invincibilty bubble T_T
flint widget
then u aren't locked in
vernal quiver
bro was tunnel visioned
spark crown
then u aren't locked in
tbf she spawned on me and a split second later killed me
flint widget
she spawned on you? i would be jealous
spark crown
that is a 6 second clip
viral yew
spark crown
https://imgur.com/a/zJ38wU3
APHRODITE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
old plover
Context?
flint widget
ares ranked too high
old plover
Okay
spark crown
Ares ranked not high enough
odd bolt
https://imgur.com/a/zJ38wU3
Ordered within the tiers or not?
vernal quiver
god antler is addicting ik i should just take pin to win and be consistent but my god big damage numbers is nice
viral yew
Ordered within the tiers or not?
Nah
odd bolt
Ok I was curious if you thought ares was better than heph or hestia
cursive kindle
Apollo's good, id probably put him in S
Though i probably dont have nearly as much hades 2 knowledge as you
viral yew
Depends on the aspect, in general daze is just not as good as blitz or hitch
vernal quiver
Man amazing 67f erebus time just to be ruined by sheep ball 🥀
Like yes split into 3 and go in 3 different directions with 3 different speeds
old plover
I have a slightly dumb question, but I just wanna make sure:
When combining the Ares boon Mutual Destruction with White Antlers, the max HP assumed for the Mutual buff is 30, and not whatever I had before antlers, right?
old plover
Anyone know the location numbers for end shops / boss battles off the top of their head? I'm in UW Chamber 22 rn and wondering if I should grab a Spark of Ixion.
forest hinge
Anyone know the location numbers for end shops / boss battles off the top of the...
Super late reply, but imo once you’re in Tartarus I wouldn’t personally go for Chaos boons unless you’re really struggling and have some rerolls to gamble on smth like +Attacks/Specials dmg or smth mana related that you really need
Otherwise Chaos in general is kinda underwhelming in Hades 2, plus in the final region you’re contending with the initial health cost of the Chaos portal, the immediate debuff, and the potential lack of payoff if the curse lasts longer than the region(has happened to me multiple times before!!!)
calm pike
Is there any weapon for which y'all go rolls over jpom? It just feels like jpom is more fun than forcing a build
cerulean panther
It really depends on whether or not I want to do a specific build versus "+3 levels and Excellence + Divinity carries a run".
Like, if I really want to do an Anvil Ring or Winner's Circle Circe run? JPom won't consistently get me WC, but rerolls will.
alpine raft
even on bad fates whim weapons like hel i prefer jpom
old plover
Super late reply, but imo once you’re in Tartarus I wouldn’t personally go for C...
22 is Oceanus, but yeah
indigo viper
I got my first run with no hit from Hecate or grandpa.
zealous crag
I got my first run with no hit from Hecate or grandpa.
Congratulations! Hopefully the first of many.
indigo viper
Congratulations! Hopefully the first of many.
Tysm!
I accomplished most of my goals in H2 (like, got 3rd statue, multiple 32f runs and 40f run) so I'm kinda proud of myself as a casual. :D
flint widget
time to become a pro now
indigo viper
So, when you become a pro?
flint widget
me or you
so uh by my standards someone is a pro when they consider at least 50f to be fun fear
old plover
Is there a consistent way to dodge Charybdis' bullet attack? It seems like pure bullet hell to me.
indigo viper
so uh by my standards someone is a pro when they consider at least 50f to be fun...
Yeah, that was what I mean. Thx for answer. ^^
hollow briar
so uh by my standards someone is a pro when they consider at least 50f to be fun...
Too broad imo cuz this puts me in pro range and that isn’t allowed to be true on a cosmic level
flint widget
bro u beat 62f uw on all aspects
indigo crescent
currently on my first sub 10 pace :0
flint widget
ur a pro
indigo crescent
hoping for good rooms
old plover
hoping for good rooms
Good luck!
cold elk
Which do you think is better: Aspect of Circe or aspect of Medea?
hollow briar
Medea is strictly more powerful imo but Circe is safer and has more build variety
I prefer Circe but recognize Medea is technically stronger. Ie. What you deem better out of that is still person choice
cold elk
Thx
hollow briar
No prob
indigo crescent
damn
couldn't get much closer to a sub 10
10:01,12
tough
if hecate didn't hit me with her sheep thing it was bbq chicken, I though Toula could eat it just like Frinos
hallow cobalt
Totally didnt realize momus + double attack deadalus is NUCLEAR synergy
cerulean panther
When a bunch of Fanged Droplets instagib themselves on an Epic Light Smite. 
I'm not sure I hit a single thing that wave. Maybe got some Furies damage bonus in.
magic cobalt
I got heph legendary and nimble limbs with than ax, that thing was swinging lmao
cerulean panther
Were you "ORAORA"ing or "MUDAMUDA"ing?
cerulean panther
Aaand Trick Knives avoids Flayed Curses.
opal pecan
Aaand Trick Knives avoids Flayed Curses.
DOES it now, interesting
I wonder if that means Launcher Frame does the same. I guess the idea is that you have to actively do the input is what it's lookin at
grim current
Hitch's tooltip continues to confuse me. I just understand it as an AoE status effect. I would understand it's some sort of "chain damage"?
cerulean panther
Whenever there are 2 or more Hitched enemies, any damage that any single Hitched enemy takes is replicated at 30% power against every other Hitched enemy.
So if you have 4 Hitched enemies, hit one of them for 100 damage, the other 3 will each take 30 damage. Hit all of them for 100 damage with one attack, and each enemy will deal out Hitch damage against all three others.
So you'll use one 100 damage attack and get 190 damage out of it.
Hera's got a boon that increases the amount of damage passed through Hitch, and this can go above 100%.
spark crown
https://www.twitch.tv/metal_maniac431/clip/DeterminedWrongChoughCopyThis-dgF0doP...
still mad about this
grim current
Hera's got a boon that increases the amount of damage passed through Hitch, and ...
Thanks. After looking as Zeus' Hades 1 boons, it seems Hitch is designed to replace the electric strike & flourish boons after Blitz was added.
opal pecan
I wouldn't say so. The mechanical replacement for those can be found in various hammers, rather. (edit: plus, Zeus still has a chain lightning boon, it's just not on his cores)
With Hitch, you have to make sure that you are applying the curse to everybody.
grim current
I mostly use Hitch to trigger Origination.
opal pecan
You can certainly do that, it's just not wringing out the full potential!
digital juniper
hitch individually is probably the strongest status effect in the game
blitz outdamages it ofcourse, but for general use and the aoe you get, i would say hitch might be the top dog
hollow briar
It’s a tie between it and Blitz for me, yeah
They serve different purposes but there’s a reason why I put both of them (or their primary applicators, anyway) at the top of my tier list lol
digital juniper
yep i fully agree with you
if you have blitz there’s a high chance it’ll top your damage boards. If you have hitch you no longer have to worry about wards and room clear just got 10x easier
odd bolt
And they work well together, most of the time
hollow briar
if you have blitz there’s a high chance it’ll top your damage boards. If you hav...
E-yup. When 50F was current 62F (before Rivals), I explicitly avoided taking Hitch for how strong the room-clear was lol
I’ve softened my stance and now it’s just specific things that I avoid (Trick Knives, sometimes Shimmering Rockets and Gigaros starts, etc)
Realistically I should go back and do some 62s without JPom, come to think of it
opal pecan
IDK if "realistically" is the adverb for that situation, but godspeed you on that hypothetical journey 🫡
grim current
Hera's Rush boon is definitely pretty good, but I do avoid her Strike & Flourish boon when it adds +x% DMG.
hollow briar
IDK if "realistically" is the adverb for that situation, but godspeed you on tha...
No, yeah, it’s the adverb of choice cuz that fits with my distaste for thing that are too broken
I do genuinely feel like my full-clear on 62s was largely carried by JPom, so I should redo at least some with rerolls, methinks
viral yew
Hera's Rush boon is definitely pretty good, but I do avoid her Strike & Flourish...
Why?
hollow briar
Even on like, Axe? Skull?… anything??
opal pecan
I do genuinely feel like my full-clear on 62s was largely carried by JPom, so I ...
The real test is to maintain Fates' Whim but still don't take jpom ;P
viral yew
I avoid _all_ attack & flourish boons that grant +_x_% DMG.
But why
grim current
I guess I let Huntress & Origination, Hephastus' Infusion boon, etc. do the heavy lifting to a fault.
opal pecan
Huntress and Martial Art both only apply to your normal (non-omega) attack/special
And there's no reason why you can't stack those and % boons 🤔
grim current
Darkest Dungeon 1 & 2 taught me not to add so many additive +x% DMG buffs.
But obviously, these are different games.
viral yew
Darkest Dungeon 1 & 2 taught me not to add so many additive +_x_% DMG buffs.
Why would you assume it's the same here 😭 😭
spiral wadi
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1454660237666812076/20251227181920-01KDHBYDEX27WCFWER2ZK3JJS3.mp4 should've predicted the very reactable cutscene attack
hollow briar
The real test is to maintain Fates' Whim but *still* don't take jpom ;P
Sub in Calling Card and get a budget JPom going? I like this
bronze flax
Darkest Dungeon 1 & 2 taught me not to add so many additive +_x_% DMG buffs.
Hey, speaking of Darkest Dungeon. I remember you 👀
indigo crescent
what's the most "easy" way to clear 16 heat ?
By my thoughts, time 2 hubris 2 rivals 2 and frenzy 2 seems somewhat easy no ?
menace maybe ?
viral yew
That'll be very easy yes
indigo crescent
never encountered rivals siren before, wonder what they'll be like lol
hecate took me by surprise althought still easy, just longer
bitter pilot
viral yew
never encountered rivals siren before, wonder what they'll be like lol
You're in for it
indigo crescent
That'll be very easy yes
damn, we dont have the same definition of easy
obliterated
viral yew
I'm very used to rivals ig
indigo crescent
ive never used frenzy, so 40% is so fast lol + 2nd time rivals hecate and 1st time rivals sirens, I was in for trouble I guess
viral yew
Yeah 😭
indigo crescent
alright I did it another way
16F cleared
Grit 1 Frenzy 1 Rivals 1 Menace 1 Hubris 2 Time 2 Forfeit 1
viral yew
Grit and forfeit is wild
indigo crescent
I mean it worked pretty damn good to me 🤷♂️
viral yew
Easy for 16f but grit and ff are some of the worst vows if you try to play higher fear
indigo crescent
oh I can 100% understand why, thankfully 16F is probably my limit, I just want the 100% on the game
viral yew
oh I can 100% understand why, thankfully 16F is probably my limit, I just want t...
To do that you need to do 24f uw and 16f surface
And the 20f random chaos trials
viral yew
Now for the rest of the run
spark crown
1/4
died due to heracles being my first thesaly room
stunned me into anchor 4 TIMES
vernal quiver
Bro didnt respect heraclese mace
spark crown
Bro didnt respect heraclese mace
he sprinted accross the map 3 times just to hit me
grim current
Why would you assume it's the same here 😭 😭
Because multiplicative % bonuses tend to be stronger than additive % bonuses. Like I said, I let non-primary boons & Arcana (a la Strength, Martial Art, Origination, etc.) do the heavy lifting perhaps to a fault.
hollow briar
https://imgur.com/xHkeRLB I BEAT POLY
Oh, AND we’re doing it on Surface
Well. Best of luck!
bitter wren
what boons do i focus for momus staff (metals forcing me to ask
digital juniper
week killer's good too
momus does kill my week indeed
spark crown
i can now clear rivals polys 1/5 times
median anvil
momus does kill my week indeed
bruh 😔
bright path
viral yew
mods are asleep, post slow projectiles
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/37...
How 😭
bright path
RNG and a willingness to take the funny thing
bright path
frenzy 1
viral yew
bright path
viral yew
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/370274633888301069/1454740565819129981/sl...
This is frying me
bright path
It's throwing me for a loop too
vernal quiver
Bro fr is like "ohhhh im gonna getcha"
bright path
I keep running into the back end of projectiles
grim current
So Huntress & Hephaestus' Infusion boon don't interact witb omega attack/special?
viral yew
Nope
grim current
The boons need to specify they interact with omega attacks or state universal DMG increase a la Origination & Strength, yeah?
Guess that brings a major perk for +x% attack/flourish boons I've been so long avoiding.
viral yew
The boons need to specify they interact with omega attacks or state universal DM...
They do
Unfortunately it's not clear at all
grim current
Well, there is Sweet Surrender & Glow that sways me away from +x% attack/flourish boons.
grim current
I've been largely avoiding +x% strike/flourish boons like the plague.
Barring Ares'.
viral yew
I've been largely avoiding +_x_% strike/flourish boons like the plague.
I would stop doing that
vernal quiver
Yeah theres no reason to avoid them
Hell hera has one of the best curses in the game and is best in slot take for most weapons
Barring ares is also crazy since doesnt he have the lowest% scaling 😭 and wounds isnt all that great
grim current
Wounds is good for Origination.
vernal quiver
So is like, every other curse, I dont take ares unless I have no other option
viral yew
Real
grim current
Also a shame to hear Wounds is underpowered.
viral yew
Ares in general isn't the best
vernal quiver
He just exists in a space where everyone is better than him minus like maybe aphro since she has no easy access curse from attack or special
But even then her % mod is so big you can makeup the curse elsewhere and end up ahead
grim current
I guess one of the reasons why Wounds isn't that powerful since it's likely part of the player's plan to trigger Origination, thus it not scaling with such?
Plus Poms only granting it +10% per lv/rarity than the usual +20%?
vernal quiver
Wounds is weak because its a one time damage buff with a 3 second cd on the enemy, while most other curses have constant effects
viral yew
Good for one shots but worse for bossing
vernal quiver
Also wounds needs very high investment to be as valuable
spark crown
i just saw someone get annoyed that moros gives you the fateful bond incantation immediatly apon your first surface death T_T
viral yew
😭 😭
spark crown
and that everyones talking about the cthonic curse T_T
grim current
Wounds is weak because its a one time damage buff with a 3 second cd on the enem...
Oh? Isn't it part of the group of strike/flourish boons that need a 2nd boon to apply a curse: Poseidon & Froth and Hephaestus & Glow?
grim current
-# Well, I sure as hell know Poseidon's strike/flourish boons are extemely powerful.
spark crown
Oh? Isn't it part of the group of strike/flourish boons that need a 2nd boon to ...
nope
viral yew
-# Well, I sure as hell know Poseidon's strike/flourish boons are extemely power...
Not really
vernal quiver
You also dont take heph for glow and posiedon for froth 😭 those arent integral to how they function
spark crown
Not really
Dont bully peoples low fear opinions
viral yew
Hestia is better in like every case except for exhaust riser and hel
viral yew
Dont bully peoples low fear opinions
Can't stop me
spark crown
Can't stop me
steals your shiva coat and lamingtons
viral yew
*steals your shiva coat and lamingtons*
I DON'T EVEN REALLY LIKE LAMINGTONS
spark crown
I DON'T EVEN REALLY LIKE LAMINGTONS
steals all your snacks
grim current
Hum. At any rate, I've mostly been equipping Poseidon's Keepsake in hope of getting his +gold/Sea Star boon.
grim current
Most weapons I figure have high enough fire rate to make do out of Poseidon's Strike/Flourish boons, even if Hestia's Strike/Flourish boons absolutely deal more DMG per hit.
viral yew
Outside of axe, skull, and moros/eos, and staff ig sure
viral yew
Most weapons I figure have high enough fire rate to make do out of Poseidon's St...
It's basically just blades and coat that do the best with pos
grim current
Outside of axe, skull, and moros/eos, and staff ig sure
Hm? Is there something about Aspect of Moros' explosive ghosts that dissonate with Hesta/Poseidon's Strike/Flourish boons?
viral yew
Hm? Is there something about Aspect of Moros' explosive ghosts that dissonate wi...
Moros just does way more damage with a %damage attack due to how high the base damage is on explosions
And special you don't want pos cause it can knock away enemies from the explosions
grim current
Well, thanks for the lesson.
viral yew
Any time
grim current
Guess that's why I've only been able to do so well with the Witch's Staff.
Although... I don't remember if I did my underworld 32 Fear run with Moros or Circe...
Oh yeah. I failed with the Circe run.
viral yew
Circe is 90% zeus/hestia cast
Blitz helps too
My 62f circe was blitz special and zeus cast yeah
grim current
So Ares' Strike/Flourish boons are more dependent on Grevious Blow than the other Olympians & their synergizing boons (a la Glow/Grand Caldera or Sweet Surrender)?
vernal quiver
Yup
viral yew
I still dislike aphro more than ares but she is stronger
grim current
My 62f circe was blitz special and zeus cast yeah
Hum. Is Ares' Ring boon also inferior to pure-DMG Ring boons?
vernal quiver
Yeah since the blades dont stack
viral yew
Hum. Is Ares' Ring boon _also_ inferior to pure-DMG Ring boons?
Yeah
vernal quiver
Zeus, hestia, and demeter are your top3 in that order
For circe cast i should stipulate
Then posiedon and heph are funny with winners circle
grim current
And in non-Circe runs?
grim current
I mean if Ares' Ring boon is inferior to the other pure-DMG Ring boons: Zeus & Hephaestus.
viral yew
It is
grim current
Really??? Is it because the Damocles sword doesn't follow the target?
viral yew
Really??? Is it because the Damocles sword doesn't follow the target?
That and it is really slow
grim current
What about pure-DMG Rush boons: Ares, Hestia, Poseidon, & Zeus'?? Surely they are more balanced between themselves...!
viral yew
What about pure-DMG Rush boons: Ares, Hestia, Poseidon, & Zeus'?? Surely _they_ ...
They all suck except poseidon
Ares is really good as long as you have the duos
grim current
I was super confused with Hestia's Rush boon. "Max 1 DMG received from 
hazards? Maybe... it'll be a Magma Bell from Silksong situation?" I thought.
vernal quiver
Ohh yeah so lava damage slowly ramps up the longer youre in it iirc
So hestia dash makes that stuck to 1 per tick
viral yew
Basically useless
grim current
What about pure-DMG Rush boons: Ares, Hestia, Poseidon, & Zeus'?? Surely _they_ ...
So yeah. Just get Poseidon's Rush boon when playing Supay.
The other 3 won't do, apparently.
viral yew
So yeah. Just get Poseidon's Rush boon when playing Supay.
I wouldn't go for a rush at all on supay
Damage isn't worth it
grim current
I mean, if there's any a time to prioritize a rush boon that doesn't apply a curse, it's friggin' Supay.
viral yew
Can if you want but I never bother
spark crown
heph rush supay
noble wadi
turning to a simple form can proc on the giant rolling eye from eye of typhon... lmao
vernal quiver
The speedcord is great for high fear resources :D
spiral wadi
pottery studio is always terrifying
vernal quiver
i've already basically internalized this 😭
I always keep it open on the side regardless when running high fear
spiral wadi
satyr champion is a troll warden it's actually just luck
viral yew
Is it worth it taking the easy ones on high fear over better rewards
viral yew
Very true
lean iron
for most weapons probably
vernal quiver
And most of the time especially early on with few denial pops its very inconsistent to get what you want
lean iron
but charon clears very fast at the start
spiral wadi
i think it's better to save the "better" ones for later once u have a relatively solid build going
lean iron
so you can kinda prioritize weapons
viral yew
55f surface would be so easy if I didn't time out
lean iron
boons not weapons
lean iron
55f surface would be so easy if I didn't time out
i meamn
yeah... ofc thats a major part of the challenge
vernal quiver
Most of my ephyra strat was get enough to be strong(so mostly just orig and a half decent hammer) then if im desperate go for a harder room, otherwise stick to faster stuff
spiral wadi
55f surface would be so easy if I didn't time out
i've started to take fig leaf more, as much as i want to put on more offensive keepsakes, time is just so ass on surface
vernal quiver
i've started to take fig leaf more, as much as i want to put on more offensive k...
Truuue
Jpom -> fig -> pin/bones -> pin/antler imo is much smoother on surface
spiral wadi
tru
spiral wadi
i should take pin more, i've kinda gotten used to not needing pin but it's a nice safety net to have
spiral wadi
chrolex is quite good on thessaly at least
vernal quiver
Or just commit to not getting much fron shops until pre eris
spiral wadi
compensates for the one major reward in thessaly
viral yew
Yeah i'll have to see how I go
viral yew
Chrolexx bad
You're bad
vernal quiver
Lmfao
spark crown
You're bad
nuh uh i beat 60f poly therefor im atleast top 25%
vernal quiver
Walled by rivals poly fr
vernal quiver
Do 3 in a row
spiral wadi
nuh uh i beat 60f poly therefor im atleast top 25%
prob top 10% by technicality
viral yew
nuh uh i beat 60f poly therefor im atleast top 25%
I could do that if I wanted to
vernal quiver
Without dropping more than 1 dd
spark crown
Without dropping more than 1 dd
If medea didnt drop poison on my head while invisible i probs could (its happened like 4 times now)
Eos Cult
vernal quiver
Can't wait to bash my head at the wall that will be hel 65 uw
spiral wadi
i cannot imagine doing surface high fear on strength and this is coming from someone who did their first two surface 62 clears with strength
vernal quiver
Its so funny not getting death til post prom so you have to just be perfect the whole time
spiral wadi
deadass just play gale circe it's so much better and ur not losing that much dps cuz circe dps is stupid
viral yew
I love gale Circe
vernal quiver
Ive done 65f mel staff, circe ive done a bunch of 62s on, I just wanna do hel 65 so I stop getting bored of staff
Plus I like hel, even if it is super arcana reliant and boon specific
spiral wadi
Its so funny not getting death til post prom so you have to just be perfect the ...
i've had a good number of runs not drop death at all and i have to wonder cuz it's like only two or three cards won't be drawn and it has to be death
thankfully i'm just Better™ cuz I think both my axe 65 (surface) and morrigan 65 (underworld) both never dropped death and still won
hel 65 uw is fun
hel 65 surface is actually atrociously annoying wouldn't recommend
vernal quiver
Yeah i think im just never touching high fear surface ever again
spiral wadi
the run that got me the win was with cold storage special
wait did i even send the pic in this server
spark crown
Do 3 in a row
tbf after however many 60f loses 2 poly clears within 5 runs is pretty good
vernal quiver
You should be getting past him 100% of the time unless its a reset icl
spiral wadi
actually do i even have a pic
vernal quiver
Hes a glorified hp sponge
spark crown
Hes a glorified hp sponge
nice a hp sponge with a dps sidekick
spiral wadi
yea i think i just never did it lmao
spark crown
Also is poison tick effected by frenzy cuz OML it feels so fast with frenzy 2
spiral wadi
i swear i did but there's no photo evidence so ig it's lost forever
spark crown
i swear i did but there's no photo evidence so ig it's lost forever
Noooooo
vernal quiver
nice a hp sponge with a dps sidekick
Part of me wants to watch you fight poly to give tips but then I dont wanna be viciously upset at your gameplay 😭
flint widget
Also is poison tick effected by frenzy cuz OML it feels so fast with frenzy 2
nah
chronos has manipulated ur sense of space and time
spark crown
Part of me wants to watch you fight poly to give tips but then I dont wanna be v...
feel free to drop by anytime im streaming and get ragebaited by accident
spiral wadi
should do a stream with all high fear players in call backseating
vernal quiver
Has every skull but hel done a 67??
spiral wadi
ye
flint widget
should do a stream with all high fear players in call backseating
less than 100 people joining 🔥 🔥 🔥
spark crown
should do a stream with all high fear players in call backseating
id still lose ngl XD
spiral wadi
i would be interested to see hel win a 67
flint widget
poseidon attack gonna get 67f trust
vernal quiver
(My pb is still only p2 scylla but im getting slightly more consistent i promise)
spiral wadi
it's just that it's so bad at base it feels worse than supay
vernal quiver
Yeah it wants arcana so bad 😭
spark crown
also yall hate my takes but atleast i dont skip every diolouge becuase its "the same thing from every person"
vernal quiver
Id have to hope for one hell of a high roll
magic cobalt
Discovering metallic droplet is like discovering strength for the first time again
flint widget
and then not die due to skill issue
magic cobalt
I am S P E E D
flint widget
vernal quiver
and then not die due to skill issue
Watch me lock in with a lvl1 aspect boonless
spark crown
Watch me lock in with a lvl1 aspect boonless
^ me playing nergal
vernal quiver
If i just keep dodging the timer death it might as well be a free vow
willow wedge
can some1 explain what is Omega Moves ?
it mean all 3 omega or move when hold omega ?
narrow flint
when you hold a move it becomes an omega move (stronger version of a move)
willow wedge
when you hold a move it becomes an omega move (stronger version of a move)
u mean omega atk ,.. or actually move, when hold space or atk ?
narrow flint
what language do you speak? i can translate
willow wedge
what language do you speak? i can translate
I speak vietnamese , sr if my eng suck
tall notch
u mean omega atk ,.. or actually move, when hold space or atk ?
Omega atk, omega special and omega cast are all omega moves
narrow flint
I speak vietnamese , sr if my eng suck
its pretty good!
old plover
Is there an established pet-meta? I've been running around with Hecuba bc Shiva is quite Magick-hungry, but now I'm wondering if maybe I'm missing out on damage somewhere?
narrow flint
idk i just be puttin that bird on at all times
vernal quiver
Is there an established pet-meta? I've been running around with Hecuba bc Shiva ...
uhhhh gale/raki 99% of the time
gale for safety raki for damage, hecuba is a take for mana hungry stuff early but you can always just take raki/gale and hope for a gain early on
old plover
Gale's protection effect was per region, right? And it only blocks actual damage, not attacks that I would be immune to through other means (like the immunity boons from Hermes and Demeter)?
vernal quiver
yuh
3 blocks per region, 6% evade, and the game prioritizes dodges, invuln like snow queen and lovers over using gale
median anvil
Is there an established pet-meta? I've been running around with Hecuba bc Shiva ...
raki for speedruns, gale for high fear
hecuba also sees some usage in high fear
flint widget
uh for speedruns hecuba gets usage when running high magick aspects like moros or charon
old plover
uh for speedruns hecuba gets usage when running high magick aspects like moros o...
Those only see play in multiple-weapon-runs I assume?
Or like, in categories that force them?
old plover
OH! I thought any% was basically only skull
flint widget
check the leaderboards
old plover
Okay yeah Charon at least cracks top 10.
Surface looks significantly less one-sided than UW I'll give you that.
vernal quiver
we got a hel 65 into fields chat 😌
vernal quiver
maybe this weapon isnt terrible(i had to get 3 hestia boons in erebus and snag the craziest judgment pulls out of erebus)
i have 5:40 on the clock going into fields 😭
didnt get pyro tech until right before scylla
vernal quiver
i think i kinda have to antler this
yeah, im decent enough at the fight anyway, have snow queen too and heph is in the pool for trusty
just have to hope i get lovers from cerb
old plover
Fourth attempt at antler peak incoming. My one hope to actually make it through is Blood Spree, let's hope it's enough.
odd bolt
OH! I thought any% was basically only skull
There are a lot of different aspects viable
old plover
The top 8 UW are only Medea and Meli skull, which had me a little taken aback. But yeah.
odd bolt
Yeah Medea is probably the best aspect in general
flint widget
turns out parray is broken
vernal quiver
ok yeah this run is not winning lmao
no zeus means i have no damage output i hate this so much
and i dropped all dds on cerb cuz i got risky cuz of timer
flint widget
tbh if people make a modpack for h2 just like in h1
i can see mel skull overthrowing medea
like parray as guaranteed first hammer
old plover
Kinda depends on what the mod pack will do exactly. Imagine guaranteed Zeus on JPom.
odd bolt
I'm a moros believer just give me fine line ocean swell born gain in erebus that's all I humbly ask
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speaking of moros
a few hours ago i wanted to speedrun moros and after a few attempts i got a sub 5:40 wtf
odd bolt
a few hours ago i wanted to speedrun moros and after a few attempts i got a sub ...
yeah you don't need much to get good time on moros
were you running jpom?
flint widget
yeah ofc
vernal quiver
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912456622440325213/1454853239517483048/image.png?ex=6952992a&is=695147aa&hm=82c98f7bccc24d84079d59759c1404061594cd292f48493c6c197826bf93d482&
chat do we win these??
flint widget
im a jpom runner from my heart
flint widget
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912456622440325213/1454853239517483048/im...
yes
vernal quiver
gotta lock tf in havent fought rivals gramps at all today
flint widget
Kinda depends on what the mod pack will do exactly. Imagine guaranteed Zeus on J...
im sure the creators will find some way to balance that out
vernal quiver
godammit i was so close
2nd half of p3
i actually hate old grudge
it threw off my scripting for p1
and im still a passionate hater of 2nd half of p2 since you cant see a damn thing
odd bolt
i actually hate old grudge
same
vernal quiver
also im just so confused which way im supposed to dash to dodge his like 4 line dash thingy
since ive been caught literally every way and it feels inconsistent
flint widget
i usually dash down when it comes to that move
flint widget
the latter
vernal quiver
hmm ok ill try that next time
stray oak
I just discovered the synergy between axe of Charon, giga cleaver and lightning lance xD
With skill you can trigger omega cast twice per omega special!
Got geyser spout near the end too
digital juniper
also im just so confused which way im supposed to dash to dodge his like 4 line ...
there’s either dashing and sprinting against him as he’s charging it so that you’re already far from the lines, or kinda on a diagonal
old plover
The random hammer from Experimental Hammer is removed when I change keepsakes, right?
Or does it just run out after 20 Encounters regardless?
calm pike
It's not removed
It's very good to take before the 3rd zone since it lasts until the end
old plover
huh
calm pike
Yeah it just runs out after 20 encounters
old plover
Well that's perfect then.
calm pike
It's one of my most taken keepsakes because of that, it's fun
Also I'm thinking that charon might be the only aspect where I'd go rerolls over jpom
old plover
I was just considering alternative options to Athena for region 3 bc I'm about to enter the Olymp without a gain boon and would like to get the JPom boost on that still.
calm pike
Selene keepsakes is also a decent take for region 3
alpine raft
hammer is a good option if you dont need magic, safety, or help with timer and no hammers will hurt you
old plover
Selene keepsakes is also a decent take for region 3
Selene also deactivates JPom though, no?
alpine raft
nope not an olympian
old plover
OH
Important question before I head into the fight: Can Heracles and Prometheus be made to fight each other with the Night Bloom Hex, similar to the Syrens?
I guess I might as well find out myself actually. I will report back. assuming I get that far into the fight to begin with
flint widget
nah
besides when u "kill" one of them they just retreat they're not dead
well actually prom just kneels on the ground but he's not dead he's just inactive
old plover
Yeah checks out
I was about to say "neither do the sirens", but yeah prom / heracles is literally still visible on the battlefield
anyway I lost
flint widget
also unrelated but u should really join the hades speedrunning discord if u wanna improve ur times
old plover
I was unaware there was a separate speedrunning discord
Will do once I finish my fear bounties and start doing runs in earnest.
willow wedge
how keepshake of persephone work 🤔
old plover
You mustn't have any rerolls from your arcana cards, nor equip any keepsakes that summon Olympians, and you're rewarded with all your boons getting +3 levels + a random Hades boon.
I'm about to finally face Typhon himself with Antlers. I got 4 charges of Moon Water (2 of them godsent), a lot of damage from various sources, and Frosty Veneer (Demeter Infusion) to reduce any damage that I do take. I can also buy 40 armor rn. Wish me luck.
Oh and I have 8 minutes time (I expect to need much less)
glacial sundial
they gotta remove the hammer of morrigan that gives you +222 on ritual
my bumass hitlessed typhon with it nahhh 😭
cerulean panther
You want the Hammer that enabled you to no-hit Typhon removed?
glacial sundial
glacial sundial
You want the Hammer that enabled you to no-hit Typhon removed?
yea
bring the hammer that shoots 3 speacial shots when you dash-strike instead
cerulean panther
Trick Knives cannot spawn on the Morrigan.
old plover
I'm about to finally face Typhon himself with Antlers. I got 4 charges of Moon W...
Didn't get it. I think I got like 2/3 through P2, although hard to tell without the HP bar.