h2-builds-and-combat

[calm pike]

Also is this the right place to ask if I'm unsure which keepsake to take into mourning fields

[spark crown]

my mindset is positive

no negitive mental here

[vernal quiver]

uhh i generally take hammer or gorgon

or pin if you feel like you want the saftey

[flint widget]

mental block

[calm pike]

Yeah I'm thinking hammer since I'm going fates whim, tho I almost lost a DD on scylla so I'm thinking maybe pin for the safety

[edgy nacelle]

more info needed tbh
region three is the most variable I think, it depends what aspect + build you're working with right now

[vernal quiver]

gonion is also a nice pick if you have scars on and took a bit from scylla

[calm pike]

Yeah was about to send a ss but realized I can't here

[spark crown]

indeed losing streaks dont hurt my mental

[edgy nacelle]

you can send via a dm or on a private server then copy the image link!

[calm pike]

oh interesting

[flint widget]

well ur just mental

[spark crown]

anyway going to bed (will respond to pings when i awaken)

[edgy nacelle]

speaking of, this isn't necessarily what I recommend everyone do but this is (roughly) my thought process for region 3 keepsakes https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1426118288198602775/1448518676721434746/flowchart-fun.png?ex=694e02a4&is=694cb124&hm=793bec8e5c7df6fbf1782bee0ebd1962a0b8cfa395e42d68a7a86cc6c03527f0

[flint widget]

not metal

[calm pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/469908901152686084/1453733276597485759/image.png?ex=694e861e&is=694d349e&hm=55d457ed3782d84f88ecd603f537de3d2f86653750cf9ebc408ac860afb9968d&

[manic shuttle]

boom mean for godsents

[calm pike]

Dont ask about the arty boon, misclick

[vernal quiver]

oh only 40 yeah id take hammer for funsies

[edgy nacelle]

(but I almost always go hammer ngl, I love hammer gamble so much, peak keepsake)

[vernal quiver]

but pin is always gonna be safest

then you either carry pin through tart or go wantler

[calm pike]

Issue is I unironically lose DDs to vows cerb and I don't know why

I usually go knuckle bones or pin into tart

[edgy nacelle]

do you have scars on?

[calm pike]

Scars 2

[vernal quiver]

tbf he can have some super obnoxious patterns

scars2 at 40 is wild

[edgy nacelle]

hmmm. onion is an option tbh but pin is more useful for cerb specifically

[upbeat matrix]

not really, tbh

[flint widget]

scars 2 is free

[vernal quiver]

i dont even touch scars till like 50 so ig im just crazy

[upbeat matrix]

not free but not that diffrent from scars1

[calm pike]

What else would I take lol

Okay yeah I think I'll take pin since I like this run but I'm paranoid

[vernal quiver]

lemme make a setup idr off the top of my head

[valid ivy]

@white siren 😛

[vernal quiver]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDAsNSwwLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsMTJd

[white siren]

i dont know you

[valid ivy]

you owe me money

💰

[calm pike]

Debt 2 seems extremely painful, and hubris 2 is surprisingly influential

Tho I take grit 3 and hordes 3 so my playstyle is a bit weird

[vernal quiver]

debt 2 is a joke with chrolex and just take boatman so erebus shop is useful

[manic shuttle]

this is great but needs silver wheel for more magick

[vernal quiver]

and hubris is just a weapon diff ig, or just get luckier early with a gain and magic pots

[vernal quiver]

yeah thats insane

since im assuming youre doing timer3 too

[calm pike]

Nah timer2, though I think most of my runs get under 20min

I'm trying to avoid debt since spending streaks on surface are fun, or travel deal for 2x boons

Hecate scares me for timer3

[vernal quiver]

leaving erebus with almost timing out is the norm icl

but then oceanus is so so quick it doesnt matter

and if you just drop grit and hoards timer becomes a joke

but like assuming chrolex gets used fully you should be able to buy like 1-2 things every shop

plus it makes chaos zero risk and a free 500, debt is just kinda a nothing vow with it

[edgy nacelle]

OH hey good shout, that is also a consideration region 3 for me I just forgot about it

[manic shuttle]

& knuckle bones for surface

[calm pike]

Oh I completely forgot about that chaos interaction, good catch. Though I'll probably keep my pact the way it is since it's fun enough for me and the fear is high enough that I don't feel like I'm going easy

Also while I'm here I think gale has gotten to me, I can't unequip him anymore the dodge chance is just too impactful

[digital juniper]

this is wrong

everyone knows you go discordant bell region 3

either that or concave stone my goat

[flint widget]

nah u purse it

or u figurine it

[alpine raft]

had a purse angle recently with an extended charon item i couldnt afford

[bronze flax]

Do you feel like gambling?

No
Do you want to play safe?
No
Looks inside
Gambling keepsake

[noble wadi]

does anyone have any tips for mono-god runs? ie, how can i best maximize the utility of my dice, the parts of the game with multiple/denser choices (ephyra, mourning fields)

i heard a speedrunner mention a 'god pool', do the first one(s) you get make more of the same god(s) more likely to encourage synergies?

ive gotten runs where almost all my main boons were a specific god but that was mostly out of luck and i'm curious how high you can minmax it

[digital juniper]

mono god runs are hard but probably not impossible

the god pool is that the game throws gods at you (could be ones you already have, or new ones) until you have 4 gods in your pool, after that, the game will only offer you those 4 gods in normal circumstances

[noble wadi]

i see, so ephyra isnt just a random tasting platter but its letting you prime your god pool very early on, if you don't go for hammers/selene/magick/hearts

[digital juniper]

you could look it exactly this way, yeah

let’s say you take zeus/hera/apollo/hestia (example), for the rest of your run, you will only be offered these gods

[noble wadi]

i really like how they made the ephyra path feel texturally really different from erebus, you have drastically more choices in ephyra and have to be more deliberate as a result

[digital juniper]

but let’s say you only took 3 of those and then hammers/hearts etc, your next boon offerings could be a god from those 3, or any other god you didn’t get yet

[noble wadi]

but then in thessaly you have on average fewer choices (2 options vs 3 on many of the tiles in Oceanus)

[digital juniper]

that includes shop boons, room rewards and mystery shop boons

[noble wadi]

i can't believe it took me this long to realize that a large max magick is in the same pool as hearts and hammers

i need to check what the game actually considers minor-major finds

[digital juniper]

ephyra only has major rewards on its doors

[noble wadi]

i somehow convinced myself soul tonic was a minor because i straight up ignore it in so many runs

[digital juniper]

ash, bones, and nectar are the minor rewards

[tall notch]

click vow of denial trust

[noble wadi]

but soul tonic is better if you don't have crazy max magick i imagine

[digital juniper]

it really depends, some aspects really love the magick

[noble wadi]

yknow i just realized, persistence is a semi-wasted slot if you're using wantler, but wantler only lasts for a region

i bet moros pin goes NUTTY with strength however

[digital juniper]

pin disables strength

[noble wadi]

oh...

right LMAO

i deserved that bouldy react.

[digital juniper]

ehh i wouldn’t call it wasted

once again depends on the aspect but the extra health buffer is nice and in magick aspects, the extra starting magick is very valuable

[noble wadi]

very true

[tall notch]

you are only using wantler in the final region if at all, persistence is still massive for the remainder of the run

btw i just threw a pan 62 because I played wantler when I should've just gone safe

[vernal quiver]

Plus even if its not valuable for area4 youre still getting lots of value from the rest of the run, plus where else are you gonna put 3 grasp

[digital juniper]

ok but wantler is funny so it’s a net positive

[digital juniper]

persistence is 2 grasp but yeah

[vernal quiver]

Oh even better lol

[tall notch]

plum don't nerf persistence

[digital juniper]

mfw orig was somehow 3 grasp in the earlier EA patches apparently

what were sgg cooking🔥🔥🔥

[old plover]

Heyo, I have a question about the Hermes boon Mean Streak: It appears the multiplier for Mean Streak counts down even when the in-game-timer is paused, like when choosing a boon. Is this only a visual bug with the number in the boons bar, or does it indeed count down?

[tall notch]

meanwhile artificer was 6 grasp in patch 1

[noble wadi]

wantler is very very funny

[digital juniper]

yeah mean streak is weird, it does indeed count down in things like shops and in menus (poms, boons)

[noble wadi]

i see the value in ONLY taking it toward the end where you have other defensive boons

[digital juniper]

it’s the only timer based boon that does that, things like the chaos curse don’t

[old plover]

Does this include during dialogue? I haven't played through the main story yet, and it would feel super punishing to actually enjoy the dialogue, knowing Mean Streak is counting down in the background.

[digital juniper]

that’s when it’s most worth it, yes. with a few defensives you can tank a few free hits, and with the extra damage you have, encounters/bosses are shorter so that’s less time to get hit

otherwise you’re better off playing it safe

[digital juniper]

that i’m unsure of, honestly

i would say in most cases, there are better choices than mean streak from hermes

[vernal quiver]

Im assuming mean streak counts down like his keepsake where its rta over igt iirc

Which is funny icl

[digital juniper]

droplet goes by igt no?

[vernal quiver]

Could've sworn I saw somewhere it was rta >->

I could be wrong tho ive never touched it myself

[old plover]

Is RTA just real time?

[vernal quiver]

Yeah

[digital juniper]

yeah rta stands for real time attack, which is a speedrunning term

but you’d see it used even in non-speedrunning contexts out of habit

[flint widget]

@spark crown

[digital juniper]

i’m like 95% sure it doesn’t tick down during menus and 80% sure it doesn’t tick down in rooms where igt is paused

[flint widget]

yo, about that gift

apparently due to some regional prices differences between where I live and australia

i can't buy it

i could remove some games from my cart but they're for my friends so yeah rip 🫡

sorry mate

[digital juniper]

@flint widget DMs

[tawny arrow]

How is Hel with aphro attack? Does it buff the entire length of the shot?

[old plover]

Okay I just checked for the pause menu, it at least pauses then. Will check dialogue as soon as I get to Eris

[digital juniper]

Hel really wants and onhit attack, Zeus, poseidon, or hestia

but with aphro i’d assume it would be about the max range of the attack yeah, maybe a bit closer

[tawny arrow]

I know what it wants but i don't understand the point of going by strict rules

[old plover]

Whelp, it doesn't pause for dialogue

[digital juniper]

the aphro “close” range is approximately the same range as the axe swing, or the range of your cast

[tawny arrow]

Just beat poly with 0 secs on the clock and 2 hp left

[vernal quiver]

What fear are you doing??

[tawny arrow]

Have everything on except for denial and the arcana one i think?
Had a terrible build as well, hel with common heph special and no other main boons

[vernal quiver]

Oh funky 60 lineup ig, id take scars2 over that but yeahhhhh hel really only wants like 2 things to make it work well

[digital juniper]

oh wow 60f and no denial? you must really not like it

[vernal quiver]

Honestly with hel I dont think it'd be crazy to just walk into ephyra, look at the gods, then reset if its nothing you want

And icl atp with doing a no denial 60, just do 62 frfr

[tawny arrow]

Had to choose between air quality and shocking loss once, never again

[vernal quiver]

And do you know the proper ephyra routing?? It helps a ton to know what rooms lead where

[vernal quiver]

Isnt air quality buns 😭

[flint widget]

air quality all the way

[tawny arrow]

DUDE THE GAME LITERALLY FORCED ME TO GET APOLLO
Had him in ephyra, in the shop, and twice in thessaly, one of them being forced thru yarg fight

[digital juniper]

unless you had the 4-5 boons that can actually leverage AQ lowkey that’s the easiest decision of my life

[tawny arrow]

Actual strongest boon in the game

[vernal quiver]

Yeah once you get to 60+ its not crazy to reset an iffy looking ephyra since olympus will beat you down pretty quick without a strong setup

[tawny arrow]

Had hel with static shock and some gusts and stuff

[digital juniper]

yea that’s a fair deliberation then

gales do scale very well with AQ

[tawny arrow]

Hel no, i don't even know why i'm playing on this high fear

[digital juniper]

what’s your usual fear range?

[vernal quiver]

Uhhh ik speedcord should have the image showing what rooms are good, or someone here has it

[tawny arrow]

Like 40

[digital juniper]

oh yeah 40 to 60 is a huge jump, might aswell be a different game

[vernal quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1245594586135527466/1247607020102615134/EphyraMap1a.png?ex=694ec995&is=694d7815&hm=496d79fd7f9fd6071532fbb9ad27cd17de733aa2c5d9078a72cc7b421ac2f851&

[tawny arrow]

Even with 40 i suck lmao

[digital juniper]

nah if you can clear 40 you’re above the max standard that SGG made the game for (32/24f)

[tawny arrow]

Once frenzy and time is on i am cooked

[vernal quiver]

Timer3 on higher fear just means luck and build most of the time icl

[tawny arrow]

I think imma time2 this

[vernal quiver]

There's only so much a good player can make up on high fear olympus if the build isnt up to par

[digital juniper]

time 2 is very very generous so you should be good with that

[tawny arrow]

You underestimate my slowness

[vernal quiver]

Atp you arent being aggressive enough

Hel can get some pretty quick room clears too if you get hitch on special

[tawny arrow]

I have kept using heph's keepsake for the past like 40 runs just to get his legendary
Still never gave it to me

[vernal quiver]

Have you been doing that for high fear too?? 😭

[tawny arrow]

Yep

[vernal quiver]

Thats so buns heph is worth like trusty shield only unless you jpom why are you doing that

[tawny arrow]

I just want that damned legendary man

[digital juniper]

if you’re strictly hunting for the legendary, denial would unironically help you with that

[vernal quiver]

That too yeah

[grim current]

We all know Born Gain is overpowered, but I wonder if there's any thunderball difference Demeter & Zeus' Gain boons beyond taking a moment to retreat.

[tawny arrow]

No you dob't undertsand
There is a little man inside of my computer that keeps removing heph's legendary from the files

[grim current]

And... Wolf Howl massively synergizing with Demeter's Gain boon.

[tawny arrow]

40 runs starting with his keepsake and rolling specifically for it and still not there
That is statistically... unlikely

[vernal quiver]

Isnt there a chaos trial with like most heph things

[tawny arrow]

?

I can get the prophecy thru a chaos trial?

[vernal quiver]

I would think so unless im crazy

[tawny arrow]

........

[vernal quiver]

Also prophecy hunting at 60f is dubious work

[tawny arrow]

You are joking with me, are you not?

I could've just......

[vernal quiver]

Tbh I never cared to prophecy hunt in this game but like id assume it works otherwise I wouldnt have taken 50% of the boons in this game ever

But I could also be wrong

[digital juniper]

i’d say they’re about equal, but would rate tranquil higher because you can stand still anywhere instead of having to go to a specific spot

and also as you mentioned, the synergy with wolf howl

[tawny arrow]

I will commit self flagellation in whichever way i please

What fear setup do you guys recommend for olympus 60 then

[grim current]

[digital juniper]

everything but scars 2 and void is probably as easy as it can be

you could also drop 1 grit 1 hordes instead

[vernal quiver]

Yeah 60f tends to be scars2 angles so you can actually make mistakes

[tawny arrow]

Do you guys tend to strength or DD high fear runs

[digital juniper]

DDs are much safer than strength for high fear

[tawny arrow]

I'm a firm strength believer but perhaps it's a different game when fighting armies of the flash

[digital juniper]

much more leniency especially with all the ways you can regenerate them

[tawny arrow]

I should also probably use origination instead of excellence or the unseen...

[digital juniper]

absolutely you should

[tawny arrow]

I do not, however, want to

[digital juniper]

that’s fair

[tawny arrow]

Like my shiny boon colors

[digital juniper]

if you go orig, you’d put it in place of Unseen

[tawny arrow]

Also like my passive regen

Game hates giving me gains

Btw does anybody actually remember to use the messenger to block damage

[vernal quiver]

Wdym you werent using the single strongest damage buffer in the game that isnt crits 😭

No wonder youre having timer issues

[tawny arrow]

I LIKE MY PASSIVE REGEN

[flint widget]

what is up with players and their issues with orig

[tawny arrow]

And suffering

I also like suffering

[vernal quiver]

For hel?? Unseen is extra buns

[flint widget]

you want suffering? go run max void

[tawny arrow]

I SAID I LIKE SUFFERING

[vernal quiver]

Yuh run 67f with me twin

[vernal quiver]

No but you can lowkey feel it when you take it off

[tawny arrow]

Anyways i think i might have to switch out the boatman as well...

[vernal quiver]

I like boatman for uw specifically, surface has ephyra so the money isnt as useful

[tawny arrow]

Wait you actually use boatman? I was absolutely joking

[digital juniper]

personally i’m running 67f level 0 mel torches no companion

[flint widget]

boatman is great deadass

[digital juniper]

yes, the boatman is very good

[flint widget]

whats wrong with boatman

don't disrespect my boy charon

[tawny arrow]

I remember just a few days ago getting roasted for saying gold purse is the best keepsake...
An interesting development

[vernal quiver]

Well yeah purse sucks

[flint widget]

it's cuz its not worth the keepsake slot

[vernal quiver]

But boatman is goated

[flint widget]

exactly

[tawny arrow]

Fake charon fans

Anyways persistence best card

[vernal quiver]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNCIsImM1IiwiYzYiLCJjNyIsImM4IiwiYzEwIiwiYzExIiwiYzEyIiwiYzEzIiwiYzE0IiwiYzE1IiwiYzE4Il0=
Id do smth like this for a hel 60f

[flint widget]

plus one free boon in erebus if ur running underworld is massive since u barely get anything in erebus lmao

[vernal quiver]

Night is there cuz idk what else to do with the 2 grasp

[vernal quiver]

Tell me about it 🥀

67f makes that first shop purely timesave

[tawny arrow]

Did you fr just put eternity on there

Are we deadass rn

[flint widget]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzUiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTAiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiLCJjMjQiXQ==

[vernal quiver]

Do you not want to be able to use Ospecial easily??

[flint widget]

in my humble opinion this is what u should run

valkyrie ngl sucks

long ass charge time plus u have to stand still

[tawny arrow]

Artificer literally buns until mid stage thessaly

[flint widget]

i just turn on autofire and hold down attack and special and ez game

[vernal quiver]

Ok so you want thessaly to be more useless than it is

[flint widget]

at least it has value

i remember only getting a single boon (not counting shops and shrines) in the entirety of thessaly

[tawny arrow]

Did mel just say "ar-tee-fee-ser" instead of "ar-ti-fai-ser"

Also annoys me how she says gigaros

[digital juniper]

what’s crazy is that a boonless thessaly is also possible

[vernal quiver]

Also what keepsakes are you taking

[flint widget]

check google that's literally the correct spelling

[tawny arrow]

Yeah so it's either gold purse or moon beam for me

[flint widget]

bro what

[vernal quiver]

No wonder youre struggling

[tawny arrow]

Dead eye also works

[vernal quiver]

I tend to do jpom -> fig -> pin/gorgon(only if you need to force) -> pin/antler for surface

[tawny arrow]

Discordant bell if i'm really feeling it

[vernal quiver]

Do the discordant bell only 67f twin

[tawny arrow]

Fig worth anything in ephyra?

[flint widget]

who takes fig in ephyra

[tawny arrow]

That's what i'm asking

[vernal quiver]

I take it in thessaly

[flint widget]

yeah it's only a thessaly take imo

[tawny arrow]

What in ephyra then other than that dirty pom

[vernal quiver]

Ephyra its jpom or god trinket only, anything else is trolling

[flint widget]

yes

also what's wrong with jpom

[tawny arrow]

Zeus it is

[tawny arrow]

Don't like the taste

[flint widget]

bro what

[vernal quiver]

And in hels case the god trinket is either hera(for special), posiedon(for attack), or maybe zeus to fish for static shock easier

[flint widget]

hestia attack also

scales better than waves due to pyro existing

[tawny arrow]

Can't crit no fire

[vernal quiver]

Oh truuue, but then you have to get pyro

[tawny arrow]

A fool's errand

[flint widget]

eh rerolls exist

[vernal quiver]

Ill be waiting to see the antler on the win screen

[flint widget]

plus u can just hit with jpom 💯

[tawny arrow]

The garmr gaze or twisting crash fo today

Or melting break but that's for weaklings

Cmon guys heracles is waiting for me

Twisting crash it is

[vernal quiver]

Its christmas bro where the jolly spirit 🥀

[tawny arrow]

I NEED ANSWERS

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/please-speed-i-need-this-speed-my-moms-kinda-homeless-speed-why-you-trying-not-to-laugh-ishowspeed-gif-7639010365317789786

[tawny arrow]

Please zeus my mother is tomeless

[tall notch]

#h2-victory-boasting message chat why is hecate harder than chronos

[flint widget]

please game i need this

my boons are kinda useless

[tawny arrow]

Got 2 timed by poly

35 DAMAGE 35 DAMAGE DONE

[flint widget]

krill issue

[tawny arrow]

Oh hel i'm switchin to crow cutters

What gods do i need

[vernal quiver]

Uhhhh its morrigan so anything works really

[tawny arrow]

What gives me the juiciest crits

[vernal quiver]

You can do a big% or blitz on the attack and an origination filler on special

[flint widget]

raki

[vernal quiver]

Ive heard hestia or posiedon isnt too bad on attack either

[tawny arrow]

Heph it is!

[flint widget]

fish for final slice and any decent % attack and ez game

[vernal quiver]

Or go for final slice with Apollo attack thats super funny

[tawny arrow]

Fine i'll try unc poseidon

[digital juniper]

because you didn’t have the trick figured out yet

[tawny arrow]

Volcanic strike morrigan

[flint widget]

yeah the trick is that you always use knives

[tawny arrow]

Supay with no gain is just tickle sim

[flint widget]

bro

get a good rush boon and any on hit effect on the special ez game

[tawny arrow]

Bro these cowards are getting enfeebled so bad bro you wouldn't even believe it

Man this 60 fear thing sucks

[tall notch]

play 62 then

[flint widget]

shade that is cold has a point

[flint widget]

ok time to actually take a break from hades 2

gonna go play p3r, metaphor and dispatch

see ya

[grim current]

Selene's Keepsake doesn't disable Fates' Whims, yes?

[vernal quiver]

Correct cuz shes not an Olympian

[cursive kindle]

How dare you

[spark crown]

its allg thanks for offering

[dreamy veldt]

Play Hyrule Warriors Age of Calamity

[vernal quiver]

I think i can understand denial hate now 🥀

[dreamy veldt]

So I have someone to talk to about it

[vernal quiver]

Doing a hel uw 62 after not touching the weapon at all since I first got it and was messy but making it work then I get offered epic blitz spec or epic static shock 🥀

I then realized by the time I got to fields I didnt even have origination active and wasn't gonna have enough time for cerb so it was a reset

[tawny arrow]

Welcome to the club

[vernal quiver]

It was lowkey just a knowledge diff tho it wouldnt of been a problem if static shock wasn't so tempting

On the grounds of no origination active alone i should've taken the blitz, so denial is still a non issue im just not used to the weapon choices since static shock was so tempting

[edgy nacelle]

oh yeah ngl like..... if you had another source of orig I personally might have taken static shock anyway, static shock Hel feels SO good

but denial is annoying
it's a knowledge diff if you take the wrong thing, but regardless you're still faced with an annoying choice where you need to give up at least one boon you really want, and that would be really fun

[odd bolt]

can't believe i just fumbled my 62f run because i forgot to change an arcana

[digital juniper]

strength with death?

[odd bolt]

yeah

[digital juniper]

ooof, been there

lower than a 62, but been there

[odd bolt]

i was like "ok this run is good"
life tax dual moonshot aspect of mel staff

epic hera special, good boons in general, time was alright

then when i got to scylla i realized i had no dds

[digital juniper]

when this happens to me i only realize it at erebus endshop or after

[odd bolt]

still managed to get to chronos last phase

i went heph keepsake region 3 to lose the life tax, get defensive boon, hoping mom and dad gave me another lifetax cause i had no hp and they did

if i got to chronos with like at least 1 dd + pin i could have done it

i played the chronos fight poorly as well but i think i could have had it with dds

[vernal quiver]

You could've taken gorgon and gamble for her stubborn defiance

[odd bolt]

i thought of that

but idk at the end of the day i tried to go for armor and just play the fight well

[odd bolt]

maybe i should have done this

in hindsight

god i am so dumb

[unreal rose]

Quick question because I never pick it but does pin trigger before or after regular DDs ?

[vernal quiver]

Either way it was a gamble, cant say you made a bad decision since chances couldve been that athena gives a whole lotta nothing

[vernal quiver]

Before

And if you dont clear within the 10 seconds it eats a regular dd

[unreal rose]

so you get free 10s of dps technically

[odd bolt]

i cleared chronos phase two with one second on pin

[unreal rose]

interesting

[odd bolt]

lol

[vernal quiver]

Yup

Hence why its insane if you still wanna be pretty safe

[unreal rose]

Wait, Chronos phase switch counts as another battle ? Or I misunderstood what you meant

[odd bolt]

for pin yes

you dont die

[unreal rose]

oooh I didn't think it would

that's funny

[vernal quiver]

Best case you pop it p3, but it getting popped late p1 or p2 can still save a dd 😌

[odd bolt]

if i had one...

[vernal quiver]

Hey getting to chronos means any run can be the one

You got the skill, now its just luck and locking in

[odd bolt]

whatever i'll just highroll again and play better

not the first time i got to chronos on 62 but i feel like this was the one

https://i.imgur.com/JaK8Sc7.png

[unreal rose]

Still having trouble not taking 200+ damage to Chronos

[bitter wren]

hear me out, i do god mode til i can get oath of the unseen

[spark crown]

its your game up to you

[bitter wren]

YOUR IN A VC WITH ME RN YOU TRAITOR

[sand crow]

I'm a big fan of the aspect of Heinous Affront

Heinous Affront Unseen Ire is so stupid I love it

[flint widget]

im broke

[spark crown]

@bitter wren sent me a image using these boons roast him rn https://imgur.com/vETr1Fj

on axe btw

[spiral wadi]

how's the 60f grind going

[bitter wren]

nono roast him bc my mentor left me

[spark crown]

paused till i buy a second copy of the game cuz @bitter wren is using the copy in my steam family libary

[spiral wadi]

ice atk axe is pretty good

[bitter wren]

:p

[spark crown]

Ionic gain tho T-T

[bitter wren]

🤫

[spark crown]

pommed it too T_T

[broken spoke]

Ionic gain is annoying

Not bad

[spiral wadi]

ionic gain should just give u magic when ur standing near it

or moving near it whatever

[broken spoke]

Or act like hecuba blue ball

[spiral wadi]

god imagine if u had to interact with hecuba ball

good thing i never pick up hecuba anyway

[spark crown]

dont give them ideas

[spiral wadi]

even on conventionally magick hungry aspects

[median anvil]

??? this is decent

[upbeat matrix]

I mean I dont play all weapons but demeter attack is actually fine honestly, its really nice safety against enemies

[spark crown]

whole build ruined by ionic gain

[median anvil]

i won 62 surface on charon with ionic, you can't tell me it ruins a build

[vernal quiver]

My only gripe is the dash icl

Ionic gain works just its funky to play with, zeus dash is just kinda buns

[digital juniper]

ionic definitely doesn’t ruin a build but it ruins funny factor

[median anvil]

idk man stopping to grab the orb while chronos is doing his cutscene attack is pretty funny

[digital juniper]

“yep holon gramps just gotta pick up lord uncle’s ball one sec”

[spark crown]

got @bitter wren running Frenzy 2 time 2 hubris 2

[upbeat matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/thrown-in-pool-belly-steven-jeremiah-conrad-the-summer-i-turned-pretty-gif-25988909

literally you throwing him into the deep end HAHA

[spark crown]

he was gonna run 55f XD

off rip so maxed everything except rivals

[upbeat matrix]

bro I can barely do 56 over here u cant make a new player run 55 xD

if he does win 55 no god mod you need to become a pro hades2 coach tho

[spark crown]

forcing him to do frenzy time hubris then he cna jump to whatever XD

[upbeat matrix]

hubris will probably give him the bad habit of not touching mana so remove that imo

[spark crown]

he already has that XD

bros running axe no omegas

[upbeat matrix]

OOOF

[spark crown]

i cant convince him to use them

[upbeat matrix]

tbf base mel axe is a dash merchant

[spark crown]

idk if hes doing that

he cant screen share due to bad ram

[upbeat matrix]

oooh thats unfortunate

[spark crown]

dudes running 8gb of ram rn

hopefully getting a upgrade soon

[median anvil]

it's still surreal to me that 8gb is considered low now

i remember 8 years ago when i asked for 16gb everyone was telling me I'm going way overboard

[spark crown]

most games require 16gb to run now

HES USING OMEGA MOVES

Hes beat hec

had 4 mins left on timer 2

[spark crown]

Guys @bitter wren hates all mel weapons but Mel Axe T_T (he dosnt got aspects yet)

[bitter wren]

mhm its the best

[tall notch]

yeah 8 years ago 😭

[spark crown]

makes my tierlists look good T_T

[tall notch]

pizza are you an unc?

[bitter wren]

trust me

[narrow flint]

ive discovered peak cast builds that literally everyone knows about

haha funny heroic anvil ring

with like circe aspect

[tall notch]

omg that is how I got my circe 62, except my anvil ring was rare

[narrow flint]

wait 62 fear??????????????

my best is like 14 with medea skull 😭

[tall notch]

yeah its everything except void

lots of people run it these days

[spark crown]

Coldshade @bitter wren was gonna run 55f immediatly apon unlocking the oath T_T

so no levels of vow of rivals

[tall notch]

you are a bad influence

[upbeat matrix]

a "lot" is overstating it lol

[spark crown]

HE DID THAT HIMSELF

i got him to run just frenzy time and hubris

[tall notch]

@bitter wren do yourself a favour and do not take example from Metal's fear pushing journey

[narrow flint]

come on the max fear is 67 i cant escape it 😭

anyways tho ive never tried to do a nervous wreck build

should i?

[tall notch]

what is nervous wreck?

[narrow flint]

the aphordite legendary

if you inflict weak on an enemy inflict 3 random curses from other gods

eh ima just do another charon hammer build i love it

[tall notch]

legendaries aren't real, I rarely see them

maybe once every 50 runs if even that

[narrow flint]

terrible luck

i once got a legendary with no rerolls in the surfaces first area

[tall notch]

getting the prereqs with vow of denial no rerolls isn't the easiest thing in the world

[narrow flint]

yeah i know just flexing lmfao

[median anvil]

I'm 21

does that count as unc idk

[narrow flint]

unc brochacho ts pmo sybau (is what my little brother would say)

[tall notch]

Is this English? /gen

[narrow flint]

i dont know 😭

[tall notch]

Damn I'm older, so if you're an unc then so am I 😭

[narrow flint]

i want to do a controlled burn build (the funny fireball thingy) which weapon/aspect do i use

[tall notch]

Charon ig

[narrow flint]

really?

[tall notch]

Anubis staff could work too

[median anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-death-flatline-flat-line-s11-gif-9092659123095798429

[narrow flint]

i ngl dont have anubis staff

[tall notch]

Controlled burn is the fireball on ospecial right

[narrow flint]

aint even unlock it yet

[median anvil]

correct

[tall notch]

I'm really bad with names of boons, them getting renamed during EA didn't help either

[narrow flint]

wait maybe momus?

the staff the makes omega moves burst

my momus staff is level 1 tho

[tall notch]

I don't play Momus so idk (it's the only staff I haven't cleared 62 with)

[median anvil]

only the first ospecial will throw a fireball

[narrow flint]

oh dang

wait a second, i forgot haelian exists

he probably has a build about it

[tall notch]

I'd just do Charon, it ospecials like all the time

So you'll shoot tons of fireballs

[narrow flint]

i think aspect of melinoe would work well

more magick and special power

[tall notch]

Why would you ospec on mel staff tho

Regular special does way better

[narrow flint]

i kinda like the ospec

[median anvil]

if you're going specifically for ospecials you may as well have the extra power

[tall notch]

I may be biased as I low-key hate non-anubis omegas

Slow, clunky to aim on controller, damage is nothing crazy

[median anvil]

they're good on momus if you get a bunch of stuff that boosts them

mel staff and circe they're just an activate huntress button

[narrow flint]

ight ima start a run no fear cause i just beat the game yesterday and am trying to do post (i think) game stuff

[median anvil]

i sometimes do ocast with circe but that's it

[tall notch]

Last time i tried using omegas on momus it took me 6 mins to get out of Erebus 😭

[narrow flint]

lol

[median anvil]

oh i also ignored them in underworld, you don't get enough boons and stuff to make it work

they're just a decent-ish damage boost

particularly against the sirens that don't move a lot

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1453726723840675872/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_45c98919-2507-492e-b7e6-92a46f907899.jpg?ex=694f28c3&is=694dd743&hm=0f6be58d69d6cb7eb60d0a40f7911a0d2f3cd99702991eda8c4352182cf4eff3&

[narrow flint]

epic controlled burn THIS IS THE RUN FR

god why did i choose grisly gain to get fourth degree its garbage

[upbeat matrix]

which weapon are you on

[narrow flint]

melinoe staff

wait if you get a duo boon with something can you still get rid of it?

[upbeat matrix]

Eh grisly isnt for sustaining high mana use, its for making you faster while giving mana. Its starts to really pop off only if you good other plasma boons to support it though unfortunately

[narrow flint]

phew

time to attempt for born gain

[spark crown]

might stream some 60f attepts

[upbeat matrix]

Where

[spark crown]

#self-promotion

[upbeat matrix]

I'll come to twitch in 5

[tall notch]

omg he's streaming it fr, content

[flint widget]

metals stream is absolute cinema

bro went from playing pos attack with shiva

to mel staff without special boon

to omega less nergal

https://tenor.com/view/martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-meme-martin-scorsese-meme-martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-gif-7188464701423971028

[spark crown]

It was something

also it wasnt omegaless nergal it was near omegaless

my eyes hurt XD

[odd bolt]

omegaless boonless nergal*

[spark crown]

oh yeah it was boonless aswell XD

[tawny imp]

Oh is that not q good idea

[spark crown]

It went pretty well up till hec

[flint widget]

ofc it's not a good idea

[spark crown]

Sure it was

[oblique hazel]

ermmm shiva already has really high percentage damage boosts from destructive stacks so it doesnt benefit as much from attack boons as other aspects, making wave strike kinda useable for wards clear ☝️🤓

[spark crown]

Well now your excusing it I can't do it anymore smh

[tall notch]

does third hit of the shiva attack combo at least spawn 2 waves? I know most cases of poseidon icd got fixed but this one could've easily been missed because no one plays shiva

[flint widget]

who tf is actually using the aspect tho

[spark crown]

I think it does cuz dash strike spawns multiple if in remembering my run correct

[flint widget]

dash strike shiva 💔

[spark crown]

Y'all sleeping on it fr

[tall notch]

the thought of using shiva dash strikes makes me want to go to sleep and never wake up 🔥 🔥 🔥

[spark crown]

It's ok y'all just can't deal with the speed

[tall notch]

the speed clearly isn't enough to deal with 62 fear enemies

[spark crown]

That's not the dash strikes fault I've not played in like 2 weeks

[flint widget]

that's definitely skill issue

[spark crown]

Sorry for letting @bitter wren enjoy peak I'll do better in the future 😔

[digital juniper]

the trick knives is to not click shiva in the first place

[flint widget]

you shall beat 60f in 60 years

[spark crown]

Soon™

[forest hinge]

How up to date is the Hades2 wiki? Cause I swear O-cast boons that used to be incompatible in the early access are now compatible and stuff like that

[surreal hazel]

Terrible honestly

There's a lot of old values and compatability data

Because none of the writers bother to just read the in game scripts

I'd double check anything you read there if it changed anything recently

[cerulean panther]

Love that Snuffed Candle is a bottom 5 boon in the entire game and yet it's easily Hestia's most common she'll give you.

[forest hinge]

i know the global dmg is low but is it really bottom 5?

[cerulean panther]

The deactivation radius is huge, and there's a few non-interactable entities that disable the damage buff.

It's virtually never active.

[tall notch]

yeah it's less about the dmg buff being too small and more that it rarely works because of the radius

[surreal hazel]

No prereqs will do that

[cerulean panther]

Yeah, you'd think core boons would be as common.

[surreal hazel]

Used to be worse, flash fry was spontaneous combustion

Used to have scorch prereqs

Hestia used to be a terrible support god

[digital juniper]

it practically only works when there’s exactly 1 enemy on the screen

and most bosses have some sort of mechanic that has more than 1 enemy (including hecate clones, medea in rivals poly, chronos in rivals typhon) that also do disable it

[odd bolt]

So it works against rivals cerb and eris

Arguably the easier ones

[digital juniper]

yep

[odd bolt]

Cool....

[scarlet ferry]

Terrible in general

[digital juniper]

hey atleast it works in most of chronos p3!

[cerulean panther]

Freezer Burn used to pop off even harder, before the Scorch cap was implemented.

[digital juniper]

it also used to crit

[scarlet ferry]

Isn’t the cap 999 tho

[cerulean panther]

Oh, I don't disagree that Scorch shouldn't crit nor be affected by Air Quality, I actually like those changes.

[digital juniper]

ah no i mean FB used to crit

[tall notch]

doesnt clonos turn it off?

[digital juniper]

clonos and when he summons those grabby hands yeah

[cerulean panther]

Before (I think) The Unseen Update Scorch didn't have a cap, but it ticked slower and pretty much all of her boons had lower values.

[digital juniper]

so half of the fight instead of most might’ve been more appropriate

[manic shuttle]

how's this build #h2-victory-boasting message

[cerulean panther]

Pyro Technique was mid (actually I think when it was her Legendary it was aight), Flame Strike and Flourish had super low numbers.

[surreal hazel]

Dunno. Why are you asking me?

[cerulean panther]

Then they increased the base tickrate of Scorch from 80 to 100 per second, bumped up Flame Strike/Flourish by big amounts, buffed Pyro Technique, and then made it so you couldn't normally stack Scorch higher than 999.

So once every 50 Scorch runs you used to be able to drop the fattest Freezer Burn numbers known to man.

[manic shuttle]

you seem to know a lot about the game

[odd bolt]

I remember scorch sucking but I missed some patches in EA

[tall notch]

https://youtu.be/t_PGYqhJbp4?si=ug_WfgYsk7SIi5jh&t=1746 freezer burn used to be so fun

[surreal hazel]

It worked didn't it? Good build

[manic shuttle]

holy chunks

anyway, is it worth using pyro and freezer burn together?

[cerulean panther]

You'd want Burning Desire before Freezer Burn.

[manic shuttle]

that'd be pretty good ye

[scarlet ferry]

It either way, pyro is useful to have while you’re still fishing for freezer burner

[restive bolt]

hey, i'm trying to play with vow of void, and all my card setups keep triggering judgment. is there any way to play void 3 (20% of arcana available) w/o triggering judgment?

nothing's wrong with judgment, but i'm not trying to play high fear judgment bc i have already done that. is the point to have to rely on low level cards?

[digital juniper]

yeah for your very specific niche/ask, you’d have to go with an unoptimal card setup so you can do void 3 and not trigger judgement

[forest hinge]

Judgement will always try to activate as long as you're using any Arcana.
Only when you have absolutely zero Arcana active will Judgement remain inactive(or when under its usual restriction prior to starting a run, as it can still become active through Circe's Keepsake or Circe's Arcana-enabling boon, which I forget the name of)

[cerulean panther]

Does Cut Above only drop so many times in a single location? It stopped working towards the end of the Bros fight.

[digital juniper]

wellll void 3 gives you 6 grasp? so if you do 3 1 grasp cards and a 2 grasp card, that would disable judgement

[restive bolt]

i have everything but grit, pain, wards, and hordes on max and i gotta do this with wayward son, huntress, sorceress, and the messenger. this is gonna be grueling

ty

[silent crow]

at one point scorch was 40dps lmao

[digital juniper]

that’s definitely an interesting angle to playing the game, i respect it

[restive bolt]

i never tried void before it was reworked, and i thought it would be cool to try for myself. but yeah this sucks and i'm glad they changed it to what it currently is

[past salmon]

I mean the rework of void just added tiers

Old void is just max void

[flint widget]

ngl they shouldve reverted the void change just so that there would be no void 2 or void 3 soldiers around

[bronze flax]

Nah, those Void soldiers are kinda based tbh

[flint widget]

well that's, like, your opinion man

[analog solar]

Can someone help me pick my cards? I have 27

[surreal hazel]

The only limit is 3 swords existing at once

[cerulean panther]

Was fighting Heracles alone at the very end of the fight and swords stopped dropping entirely.

Weird, will F10 next time I see it.

[surreal hazel]

Might be some nonsense if you hit invuln targets (prom)

[cursive kindle]

How exactly does scorch function?

If i damage an enemy whose part of their hp is effexted by scorch, will that part get lowered, or the normal hp part?

[cerulean panther]

Scorch ticks 6 times per second for about 16 Scorch. Pyro Technique increases the Scorch per tick. The non-Scorched part will be reduced.

[cursive kindle]

I see, thank you very much

[surreal hazel]

The orange hp bar is just visual. Gives you an idea of what damage the scorch will do once allowed to burn out

[cursive kindle]

I know that. What i was wondering is if further damage will be deduced from the part effected by scorch, or for the part that is not, but i have got an answer. Thank you for explaing this to me, even though i already knew that

[surreal hazel]

The orange bar is a lie though. It ignores all damage bonuses that affect scorch

[forest hinge]

i just tried Selene-coat with ares for godsent Shine hex, had Frenzy1 on and omggggg i was running out of of time like every region lmao

idk if that combo is worth going for???

[unreal rose]

I think Selene's aspect is quite unanimously recognised as the weakest coat so that might explain it

[digital juniper]

see while it is recognized is probably the weakest aspect, you can very much clear with it on fear levels where you’re still taking frenzy 1

so if you enjoy the aspect, continue playing it!

[odd bolt]

Not worth it

[flint widget]

just go aspectless imo

[odd bolt]

Going for the godsent I mean

[flint widget]

skyfall w ferocity goes crazy for bossing tho

[odd bolt]

Just not worth it play it like poor man's mel aspect with a starting hex you might use a few times

[flint widget]

selene coat optimal strat is like any of the other non shiva coats tbh

pray for shimmering rockets and a good special boon

[cursive kindle]

If i have damage bonuses that affrct scorch, the scorch will damage the red bar past the orange bar?

[surreal hazel]

Yes, you'll see the base of the orange bar shifting as it burns down

[cursive kindle]

What do you mean by that? Getting longer toward the left?

[surreal hazel]

The left side will shift left over time as it recalculates how much to colour in the bar

[cursive kindle]

"shift" as in get longer?

I want to make sure i understand correctly how scorch works. If i damage an enemy with a scorch move (with no effects inscreasing the damage of it) the enemy will gain 1 second of scorch, in which the scorch will give the enemy 100 damag, if before that 1 second is over, i damage an enemy with a scorch move, the enemy will gain another 1 second of scorch, and they will have 1 second of scorch plus the time of scorch left by the previous move, right?

I hope my question wont confuse any of you

[bright path]

Not quite
If your attack gives an enemy 60 scorch, and you hit the enemy once, then 1 second later the enemy will take sixty damage from scorch, and the debuff will fall off.

Let's say your weapon's attack can strike the enemy twice per second, and you start attacking as fast as you can. In the first second, you give the enemy 120 scorch (60+60), for a total of 120. Then Scorch ticks, and the enemy takes 100 damage, leaving 20 scorch still stored for the next tick. In the following second you strick twice again, giving the enemy another 120 scorch (60+60) for a total of 140 (60+60+20). Then scorch ticks, the enemy takes 100, and leaves 40 scorch banked for the next tick. And so on.

Origination and other damage boosts apply after Scorch subtracts 100 from the total on the enemy. So, if the enemy has 265 scorch, and scorch ticks, it will subtract 100 from the total, leaving 165 banked. Then it will apply Origination (+50%) and, let's say for example, Tall Order (+25%). The result of that calculation (175) is then applied as damage to the enemy's health bar

Others please feel free to correct me on any of this

[cursive kindle]

I am confused

Very, haha

What is a "tick"?

[bright path]

An instance of Scorch dealing damage.

Scorch deals damage once per second, no faster, no slower (unless you get that one boon that makes it faster)

[cursive kindle]

Unless i am wrong, someone earlier told me it gives damage about every 16.66 seconds

[bright path]

Each time it deals damage, it does exactly 100 (before modifiers), and subtracts exactly 100 from the total scorch on the enemy.

[bright path]

Well, it's definitely not every 16 seconds
Maybe it's every 1.6, but I'm pretty sure it's every 1.

1.6 sounds like the theoretically lowest cooldown on Heph dings

[cursive kindle]

Oh wait, it was probably miliseconds

[bright path]

Ah

[cursive kindle]

The time for me is almost 6 am, haha, im a bit tired

I have a bad sleep sceduale

If i deal 120 scorch damage in one attack, a second passes, the enemy gets 100 damage, and in the next second, if i dont attack, the enemy will get 20 damage?

[bright path]

Correct

[digital juniper]

it’s 16.6 damage per tick
at base, it’s about 6 ticks a second for a total scorch damage of 100/s

[bright path]

Huh

Cool, the more ya know!

The rest of what I said was right, though?

[digital juniper]

yeah not each time it does damage, but you’re correct on the rest

at base, without modifiers, it does 100 damage and subtracts 100 scorch from the enemy

[cursive kindle]

16.66 damage, not miliseconds, right, haha. Thanks for explaining all that

@bright path thank you, too!

[digital juniper]

it’s alright, the very specifics of scorch are very deep, so your curiosity is very valid

[cursive kindle]

What did you mean by "not each time it does damage"?

[cursive kindle]

Also i am a bit confused because the conversation has continued since i got an answer, am i correct here?

[digital juniper]

i didn’t word it properly. Keysis referred to scorch doing 100 damage in one go as “each time it does damage” when in fact it does 6 ticks of damage a second

[cursive kindle]

I am asking because of the new info Six has told

[digital juniper]

kind of.

after 1 second the enemy will have recieved 100 damage, and 100 scorch will be removed. in the next 0.32 milliseconds, the enemy will recieve the remainder of that 20 damage

[cursive kindle]

Why 0.32?

[bright path]

If you attack once and it applies 120 scorch, over the next (slightly more than) 1 second, the following events will happen:
16.6 (plus modifiers) damage
16.6 (plus modifiers) damage
16.6 (plus modifiers) damage
16.6 (plus modifiers) damage
16.6 (plus modifiers) damage
16.6 (plus modifiers) damage
(We have reached one second, and there is 20 scorch damage remaining on the enemy)
16.6 (plus modifiers) damage
3.4 (plus modifiers) damage

I think that's right

[digital juniper]

scorch does 16.6 damage every sixth of a second, so after 2 ticks or 2/6ths of a second, which unless i mathed it wrong, is 0.32 seconds

[digital juniper]

precisely yeah

[cursive kindle]

Im confused. Will the scorch do 16.66 damage in 1.66 miliseconds and then 3.34 damage after another 1.66 miliseconds?

[digital juniper]

yes, because you’ll only have 3.34 damage from the remaining 20

[cursive kindle]

Thank you both very much for your help

I hope you two will have a great day

[bright path]

I'm making stuffed cabbage for my mom, gonna be tasty :3

Sleep well!

[cursive kindle]

Thank you!!!

[edgy egret]

why cant we send our builds in here?

[viral yew]

No images allowed, you can link with imgur, from another server, or with crossroads

[grim current]

Huh? Did I get Gale thrice in my true Chaos runs??

Also, why don't resources spawn in 4-region long Chaos runs?

[vernal quiver]

Cuz they dont spawn in chaos trials period iirc

[spark crown]

That's why y'all rate demeters heal perk so low smh

[scarlet ferry]

Crossroads?

[vernal quiver]

Woe of scars3 be upon ye

[vernal quiver]

Its a community ran site that has some nice resources, its how we send fear and arcana setups lol but theres also runs by high fear runners, chaos trial editing for practice, etc lemme snag the link

[scarlet ferry]

Ty

[vernal quiver]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/

[scarlet ferry]

That’s neat

[vernal quiver]

Yeah its cool, all the enemy info is also pretty fun

[scarlet ferry]

Would be cool if the custom Chaos Trials thing were vanilla like Mario Maker

[odd bolt]

Got to chronos twice today on 62f, let's call it progress

On another note I never realized how goated Apollo cast is for rivals scylla

[scarlet ferry]

Demeter cast is also really handy

[digital juniper]

apollo cast in general is really good but is overshadowed by the fact that blinding rush exists

[hollow briar]

Truth, yeah

[grim current]

How do Greater Girth & Spiritual Affirmation stack?

Additovely or multiplicatively?

[fiery kraken]

50 fear dad boon. Deep dissent or life tax. I have strength and 250hp, no dds, want to max survival

[alpine raft]

life tax on strength feels more correct

[spiral wadi]

deep dissent in high fear tends to be the best option

[vernal quiver]

Yeah dissent is best 99% of the time

Getting rid of half the adds means no miniboss spawn and less early p1, 2nd half p2, and p3 chaos

[bitter wren]

hey, whats the best aspect for sister blades? (finally switching from axe )

[vernal quiver]

There isn't a best but most people like morrigan

Pan can be fun but is a bit inconsistent, idk abt Artemis since rarely anyone plays em, and mel aspect is always strong and consistent

[bitter wren]

fair enough ty

[spark crown]

Omg he asked a question

[bitter wren]

bc im 🆒

[spark crown]

It's a miracle the scaredy cat asked a question

[spark crown]

False

You took off frenzy when running surface

[bitter wren]

so? i havent done surface much 😢

metals bullying new players frfr

[spark crown]

No no don't get it wrong I'm bullying you cuz you keep switching from m&K to controller

[vernal quiver]

Metal bullying 🥀

[spark crown]

Plum should I jump to 67 fear

[vernal quiver]

Ive seen the boon tierlist we should be bullying them

[vernal quiver]

Dawg you havent even done 60

[spark crown]

And

[vernal quiver]

65 -> 67 is easily one of the hardest jumps

[spark crown]

The question was should I not will it be a good idea to

[vernal quiver]

Then no you shouldn't 🥀

[spark crown]

V3 - v4

[vernal quiver]

I can get to sirens a bit more consistently than before, but thats after resetting for half decent room and boon luck

[bitter wren]

no ive stuck with mnk recently

[spark crown]

Good

[bitter wren]

i nearly broke my pr on mnk 😢

but died second last hit

(got greedy)

[spark crown]

Midas ass greed

[bitter wren]

fr

im super greedy, like i see coin door vs shop door(i had 600 already) and chose coin

[spark crown]

What region?

[flint widget]

negative iq

[vernal quiver]

Wait until bro finds out what chrolex is

[spark crown]

Fr

[vernal quiver]

Then the greed will be worse

[spark crown]

Gonna try and get him to use artificer soon

[bitter wren]

this was first couple runs so idk 😭 it might have not been shop bc i only learnt the icon yesterday remember

[spark crown]

Right yeah over 30 runs in till you learnt the shop symbol

[bitter wren]

tell me arcana and weapon ill use whatever atp

[spark crown]

How much grasp

[bitter wren]

22

mid run atm

[vernal quiver]

As long as you have death, origination, lovers, and furies you can do whatever tbh

[spark crown]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTgiXQ==

[spark crown]

I don't think he has lovers yet

[bitter wren]

i got every arcana i believe (unless there is more i cant see 😭

[spark crown]

Oh

[vernal quiver]

He's also at no fear so like maybe strength would be better and more fun

[spark crown]

Gimme a sec then

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMyIsImM2IiwiYzciLCJjMTEiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTgiXQ==

[bitter wren]

death is a no brainer(metal is good teacer sometimes)

[spark crown]

LVL 1 strength isn't the best tbh

[flint widget]

"teacer" yeah metal is def a bad teacher

[spark crown]

T-T I didn't teach him how to spell

[bitter wren]

IM NOT ON MNK

[silent crow]

metal is NOT a good teacher

[bitter wren]

i got used to typing on it

[spark crown]

GET ON MOUSE AND KEYBOARD

[bitter wren]

FINE

[flint widget]

BRO ITS LITERALLY THE SAME KEYBOARD LAYOUT ON MOBILE

ARE U MAD

[spark crown]

He's using a roller

[bitter wren]

i mean typing not games

[spark crown]

I know

Use ya damn keyboard to type weirdo

[bitter wren]

FINEEE

😮‍💨 you see how my TEACHER treats me

[spark crown]

I'm doing good and teaching him the disgusting meta

[bitter wren]

yes but, mobile is tiny

[vernal quiver]

"Disgusting meta" and its actually using your cast

[spark crown]

I mean arcana and hating hexs

And the right vows

[flint widget]

max void is the meta rn

[bitter wren]

i don't mind SOME hexs

[flint widget]

trust me bro on my life

[spark crown]

BOOOOOOOO

[spark crown]

-_- no

[bitter wren]

the healing one is PEAK

dont lie

[spark crown]

Bro dosnt know

[flint widget]

nah that sucks

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[bitter wren]

😨

https://tenor.com/view/speechless-bill-hader-kevin-pollak-chat-show-i-have-no-idea-no-words-gif-8864411713240118237

[vernal quiver]

Hey when its not 62f moon water is baller

[spark crown]

Try and get Moon water while running scars 2

[flint widget]

or scars 3

[manic shuttle]

twilight curse & wolf howl are always strong. night bloom is really strong with some updates. total eclipse's crazy with godsent

[flint widget]

wheres my goat dark side

[spark crown]

-_-

And you say I'm ragbaiting

[manic shuttle]

dark side can be really good with godsent and some updates yea

[bitter wren]

anyway
gonna go eat and attempt to beat my pr

[flint widget]

bro why are u booing me im right

[manic shuttle]

lunar ray requires the most number of updates probably. you need the godsent and the auto-firing node

and then the triple beam

[vernal quiver]

Id like dark side if it wasn't like 10 seconds of no damage

(Without godsent I should specify)

[flint widget]

yeah with the godsent it goes crazy

[vernal quiver]

With godsent its funny asf

[manic shuttle]

ye you should never use it without godsent lol

[bronze flax]

I like Phase Shift a lot

[flint widget]

for such a high cost it sucks

[bronze flax]

It has both saved me to help me defensively and also helped me to rush damage

I'll not disrespect it

[spark crown]

Godsent isnt the best either

[bronze flax]

Eh, I use it because it is handy without the Godsent

And Demeter lines go kinda hard so sure, you know what? Give me Heroic Task Force on top of that so I can hear her more

[spark crown]

Reminder where I stand on all boons https://imgur.com/G9Geo0f

Tbf I still rated phase shift and godsent in S

[spark crown]

And as some people saw when I was streaming last night this isn't ragebait ^

No special Mel staff went hard

(skipped Apollo flourish for purple Apollo strike)

[silent crow]

what are you doing man

[spark crown]

My own thing

https://tenor.com/view/nah-imma-do-my-own-thing-miles-morales-spider-man-spider-man-across-the-spider-verse-ill-do-it-my-way-gif-12471351374972075237

[cursive kindle]

Huh? I can see why life tax is good if the player uses artemis's keepsake, but why is it in s tier?

[spark crown]

It's really helpful for me in 60f

[cursive kindle]

I see

[vernal quiver]

Well 1) metal has weird opinions and 2) its one of like 3 good jpom hits for high fear

[spark crown]

Also out of everything life tax is the problem you have XD

[cursive kindle]

I dont remember many boon names, i checked what life tax is out of curiosity

[spark crown]

Ahhh

[cursive kindle]

Is he actually made of metal?

Come on yall, laugh at my joke

[spark crown]

Jury's out on that

[cursive kindle]

What does that mean

[spark crown]

Means the it's not determined

[cursive kindle]

Gotcha, i hope

You dont seem to like aspect of shiva...

Thats fair

[spark crown]

At the time of making that list I hadn't even unlocked it and was ragebaiting @viral yew (get pinged nerd) cuz they are a avid shiva lover

[cursive kindle]

Gotcha

I also got that youre a bully

[spark crown]

Only to lúthien

And sometimes lazr

[cursive kindle]

Awesome

Remember that being a bully is okay, if you do it kindly!

[spark crown]

Exactly

[bitter wren]

hes not kind to me 😢

[cursive kindle]

I wont be either😈

[spark crown]

-_- liar I help you rebuild your PC for 6 gods damned days

[bitter wren]

7*

[bitter wren]

😨

[willow jacinth]

Man i wanted to ask for tips on a build here but i aont got image perms

[spark crown]

Use the site Imgur

[cursive kindle]

What animal familar do you all like the most, not considering resources bonuses

[spark crown]

Gale and toula

[cursive kindle]

Is gale the squirel or the crow?

Squirel right?

[spark crown]

T-T the ferret

[willow jacinth]

✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅
✅ ✅ ✅ ❌ ❌
✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ❌
❌ ❌ ✅ ✅ ❌
❌ ❌ ❌ ✅ ❌

Is this a good setup?!?!?😭 🗣️ 🔥 🔥

[spark crown]

Or polecat

[willow jacinth]

jk

[spark crown]

Yes

[cursive kindle]

Ferrets are similar to squirels :(

[spark crown]

I know exactly what card these are

[willow jacinth]

lemme upload

[willow jacinth]

wow

[cursive kindle]

You are crazy

[spark crown]

For arcana go to the crossroads website

[cursive kindle]

Actually not too crazy, i guess

[willow jacinth]

I actually had origination off before this cuz i didnt know how good it was, I turned off boatman for it rn

[cursive kindle]

Just a bit

[spark crown]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNCIsImM1IiwiYzYiLCJjNyIsImM4IiwiYzExIiwiYzEyIiwiYzEzIiwiYzE0IiwiYzE5IiwiYzI0Il0=

[spark crown]

Switch divinity for boatman

Rarity isn't as good as it seems

[willow jacinth]

divinity is zero tho?

you mean excellence?

[spark crown]

Yeah excellence XD

Mb mixed em up

[cursive kindle]

How dare you

[spark crown]

Their effects are the same

Basically

[cursive kindle]

Excuses

Your mistake cannot be undone

[spark crown]

[willow jacinth]

Great chaos above is hella intimidating

but ill have to try and clear it someday

[spark crown]

Fair

[willow jacinth]

its the only trial i have left

[bitter wren]

i just got chaos trials

:o

[cursive kindle]

Now delete your save file and start over😈

Im so mean!!!!😈

[bitter wren]

😭

[spark crown]

Do them all

[willow jacinth]

Does scorn count for origination?

[cursive kindle]

And THEN delete your save file!

[spark crown]

I don't think so

[bitter wren]

EWWWW i cant use axe 😢

[cursive kindle]

Whats wrong with axe :(

Axe is cool :(

[spark crown]

(I'm not 100% reliable)

[bitter wren]

no i luv axe

[spark crown]

He said he can't use axe

[cursive kindle]

You are 0% reliable after that last mistake

[cursive kindle]

OHHHHHH!!!

[bitter wren]

its the fact i cant use it in theese trials

axe>>>>>

[spark crown]

Now adjust to new weapons

[bitter wren]

never

[cursive kindle]

I berly play with the staff

[spark crown]

Staff is strong

[willow jacinth]

I can check rn

[cursive kindle]

But coat is cooler

Coat makes me feel like ironman

[flint widget]

it's probably the best weapon in the entire game other than torches

[willow jacinth]

nope

[cursive kindle]

I berly used torches after 1.0 either😭

What aspect of staff and torches do you all think are the best?

[willow jacinth]

whats the best target for archaic seal?

in general i mean

[spark crown]

Check confirm does scored count for orig

[flint widget]

tf is a scored count

[cursive kindle]

To clearify, i thought he ment that he cant use axe, as in he doesnt want to

[flint widget]

circe and eos

[cursive kindle]

I think he maybe ment scorch

[spark crown]

I love auto correct I typed scorn

[flint widget]

nah

[spark crown]

Rip

Dyno said you

[cursive kindle]

Dyno likes me

Me and them are best friends

[willow jacinth]

scorn does not count

bummer

[spark crown]

Good to know

[willow jacinth]

ig hades is not an olympian technically

[spark crown]

True he's cthonic

[next lake]

Hello everyone!

Would you recommend taking all 3 fate's whim keepsakes on a night?

[cursive kindle]

I would

But i aint super good at hades 2

[tall notch]

Calling card is a little situational, would usually recommend running the other two though

[cursive kindle]

How dare you not agree with my opinion

[willow jacinth]

what are the yellow skulls in the record keeper menu?

best surface heat?

[cursive kindle]

Thats a joke

[tall notch]

I'm sorry about that, should I delete my message? 😔

[cursive kindle]

You should delete your account (youre joking, right?)

[next lake]

Does athena's keepsake count with the condition of fate's whim?

[cursive kindle]

I... dont think so?

I aint sure i remember what it does, but i think it doesnt summon her

[tall notch]

You're right, I'm sure my discord friends will understand why I had to disappear!

[cursive kindle]

I apologize im not of much help

[tall notch]

It will turn off fates whim because it summons Athena

[cursive kindle]

Exactly!

[spark crown]

DONT STEAL MY LINE

[cursive kindle]

You were kidding with that, right?

Okay good, haha

[next lake]

Alrighty thanks for the help!

[cursive kindle]

:(

[willow jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/heeseung-wolf-scream-enhypen-gif-3324399508347124003

[cursive kindle]

Wait it does summon her?

[willow jacinth]

I LOVE LUCID GAIN

[cursive kindle]

I am probably not remembering exactly what it does

[next lake]

I'm still on the debate on Death vs Strength

[willow jacinth]

whats top 3 gain in your guys' opinions?

[cursive kindle]

What is gain?

[next lake]

hera's

[willow jacinth]

my bumass could never run strength😭

[next lake]

strength is really really good

[cursive kindle]

If the player doesnt suck, a problem is, that i suck

[next lake]

I find that not spending 200+ or rewards restacking DDs nets you so much more gold

U can use on other stuff

[willow jacinth]

what does this sentence mean

[spark crown]

both

[next lake]

40% damage reduction is no joke

[cursive kindle]

Yea, like a nintendo switch 2

[spark crown]

hera ares posideon

[cursive kindle]

Yknow i actually used both for a while

[cursive kindle]

I guess thats true

[spark crown]

goood

[cursive kindle]

Youre joking, right?

[vernal quiver]

Just dont die 😌

[cursive kindle]

I think using both is a bad idea

[spark crown]

i only stoped running it due to someone being rude to Luthien XD