h2-builds-and-combat

[opal pecan]

Anything that works with Mel coat will work, but if you want to use the aspect gimmick, just slap a bunch of omega special buffs on it to increase the magick cost

E.g. Controlled Burn Fine Lines Ocean Swell etc

[runic crescent]

Ah okay sounds good, will give it a try

[fiery kraken]

For the skull special that makes first skull after dash or special faster, it feels like I can't fire the following skulls until after the first one lands

[scarlet ferry]

Yeah regardless I’d still like her cast since it’s a cast build

Or the when that makes spears fall from the sky every time I spend 90 magic

[stark tiger]

Righteous Pike, yeah

[sweet obsidian]

aspect of eos with hera special been carrying me

[scarlet ferry]

On a run with Moros torches, I used it alongside Fine Line and Ocean swell and it was so fun. Unfortunately, I never got the Hera + Poseidon duo boon though

And I was specifically fishing for it too

#h2-victory-boasting message

it was this run

[opal pecan]

Actually watching back a recent run of mine is filling me with a deep sense of embarrassment and a desire to time-travel so that I can ask my past self what they were thinking

[bright path]

Randomly thinking about H2 while bored at work

Say I wanted to combine the duo that uses your mana to absorb damage and the duo that does damage when your mana regens

What gain am I looking for with this silly ridiculous build?

[viral yew]

Born

[bright path]

But would born gain do anything to trash?

[stark tiger]

Ionic (Zeus), Born (Hera) or Tranquil (Demeter)

[bright path]

I was thinking Cardio

[stark tiger]

Anything that refills your entire gauge suddenly

Tranquil's great for the "You are already dead" katana user vibes

Chop them up, pause dramatically, and suddenly they're nuked for 4000 damage

[bright path]

What's the icd on the regen damage boon?

Or is there one

'Cause I was more picturing constant radiating damage

[bright path]

Though this also sounds sick as hell

[stark tiger]

Remind me ICD?

[bright path]

Internal Cooldown

[stark tiger]

No ICD on Hera-Hestia duo

[forest hinge]

what is the 0.2sec portion of the IA description mean?

[stark tiger]

(that's the one you're thinking of, Incandescent Aura)

I believe it's just the tick rate for damage applications, you don't squander any man-amage with rapid mana regen

[viral yew]

It's also better on omega heavy weapons cause taking damage for it isn't the best idea

[forest hinge]

so like if i restore 5 mana with an attack using cardio gain, it deals 500%(25dmg), but is that dealing 25dmg/0.2sec for as long a Hitch lasts, or??? like whats the "timer" for the damage?

[bright path]

So is my dream of mel daggers with cardio gain and never bothering to dodge anything dead?

[viral yew]

So the way it works is it will deal damage every 0.2 seconds if you are restoring magic, so every hit of cardio gain does the 25 as long as it's restoring 5 magic

[viral yew]

It's not an easy win build

[bright path]

But it's weird and different
And that makes it interesting

[opal pecan]

Do revenants that fall OOB just auto-disappear? Is that a strat?

[viral yew]

Yeah but it's random and you can't really control it

[opal pecan]

Figures... RIP

[bright path]

I find they tend to go in the direction of the lethal attack, but that's definitely not consistent

[viral yew]

Yeah they're more likely to fire away from mel than towards

[fiery kraken]

How much fear do you think jpom is worth? I feel like it's 10

Messing around with practicing rivals 4 and finishing prophesies and turned off jpom and it feels significantly harder

[alpine raft]

if its harder without jpom how is it worth any fear

[viral yew]

I don't understand the question

[bright path]

The question is "if fear could be measured in a linear scale of difficulty, how much negative fear is the power bump from jpom equivalent to"

Which assumes, erroniously, that fear is measurable in a linear fashion

But I would say Jpom is equivalent to the inverse of, like, Onion plus one level of the one that makes shops more expensive

[viral yew]

Yeah it makes onion a lot easier so at least 3

[dreamy veldt]

Wait this sounds really interesting continue

[spiral wadi]

i'd say 3 because 65f feels like pre-jpom 62f

and there's no 66f unless ur insane

[viral yew]

Max void 1 hubris

[spiral wadi]

debt 1

the most likely 66 would prob be with wards 1 on axe or smth

but some1 already got a mel axe 67

and vyt is currently fishing for mel flame 67 which will complete the mel aspects

sgg should add a fear in next patch it'll be funny

[digital juniper]

void 5 incoming

[viral yew]

Adds negative arcana

Vow of suffering, you do less damage per rank, up to a max of 50%

[odd bolt]

Void 10 and you get like inverse arcanas

"Weakness" which is like strength but you take more and do less damage when you have no dds

[silent crow]

... does she know?

[spiral wadi]

sneaky grit

[viral yew]

She does not

[alpine raft]

is that not p much the same as grit

[cursive kindle]

I am a bit confused on how to decide what build to use. Usually i just start a ran with no plan and pick whatever blessing i think i should after i interact with a boon

[odd bolt]

Depends a lot on what aspect you're using

But in general you always want two curses to apply origination

[cursive kindle]

I see

[odd bolt]

There's a very good guide for all aspects pinned on this channel

[cursive kindle]

Oh. I will check it out right now. Thank you very much for telling me this

[opal pecan]

I mean that is a perfectly fine way of playing it

It's just a question of how to figure out what boon to pick after you interact ;P

After you have finished the game, there is even an entire playstyle that is dedicated to Not Forcing Specific Boons

[cursive kindle]

I have finished the game, though i do not know what playstyle you are talking about

[opal pecan]

Ah, I'm referring to the Fates' Whim keepsakes

Which reward you for not using rerolls or Olympian-summoning keepsakes

If you haven't got them yet, then congratulations, there is a tiny bit of additional content for you yet!

[odd bolt]

fates whim is awesome I really like the idea of rewarding you for playing without rerolls

[fiery kraken]

I don't think you need to assume linear weight to fear to have answers to my question, which you have accurately restated.

Though if you don't assume linear it will vary depending on your starting point.

For example I was doing 15 fear without jpom and it felt harder than my 25 fear with jpom

[cursive kindle]

How do people plan ahat build to have, when they have the Fates' Whim?

[opal pecan]

They don't! They just keep in mind what types of boons/gods would be helpful generally speaking for the weapon aspect they're playing.

[fiery kraken]

Just see what the fates have for you!

[opal pecan]

And then they take whatever the RNG gives them, yep

[viral yew]

You don't, that's the fun part

[fiery kraken]

And the bonuses for jpom are huge so more things are viable

[sand crow]

Does choosing a boon room and then immediately purging it before accepting the boon reward (using the time compass) add that God to your pool?

[viral yew]

No, you have to take the god

[sand crow]

Oh good

[cursive kindle]

What does the term "flat damage" mean?

[sand crow]

That's what I thought lol

[viral yew]

Things like pos or hestia attack

[opal pecan]

Stuff that adds a fixed ("flat") amount of damage to your attack or special, rather than a +x% damage bonus

[viral yew]

They're applied separate to your weapon damage

[sand crow]

Flat damage means any damaging boon that damages independently of your weapons attack/special damage

[cursive kindle]

Thank you all!

[sand crow]

Like instead of boosting your damage%

No problemo :DDD

Jpom Persephone skull is hilarious, wdym I can get maxed out heph attack and dash with zero effort

[sand crow]

Okay so assuming I have a TON of clangs going off all the time, should I be taking Grand Caldera or Furnace Blast? I'm just about to go into Typhon and I don't really have any origination sources

[odd bolt]

like you have no curses at all? Or you have just one?

[sand crow]

I just had Daze

Anyway I got REALLY lucky, y'all need to see what I pulled off lol

[odd bolt]

I think in this case you go for origination always but idk

[opal pecan]

If you take Daze you could get orig with Glow yeah

[sand crow]

Yeah I got glow, definitely the best take

[opal pecan]

But like, I do think it might depend on the specific numbers and what's going on with your build

To the point where the good old "go with yer gut and wing it" is probably valid 😆

[sand crow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/849525788005236766/1451779647514873940/20251219203300-01KCWX1KWZT9AWT8X19W7GJKCM.jpg?ex=69476aa8&is=69461928&hm=d21e0bbf15e09f80c6747b935c7e59e32c5030f0878bada79aef7e39c49bf5e3&

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[forest hinge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1451782025798356992/image.png?ex=69476cdf&is=69461b5f&hm=0edb4da7a8203336f99dc7c21b14a6e7a16cb260880480aeb7079786090412c6&

Truly the Scorch of all time

[dreamy veldt]

Omg

[vernal quiver]

No Pyro technique 🥀

[patent harness]

rivals eris and prometheus are ridiculous

[viral yew]

In what way?

Rivals eris is typically easier but promacles is annoying asf

[patent harness]

not a big fan of the "you aren't allowed to stand or run through 90% of the map" mechanics

[viral yew]

You can get rid of the bombs

[patent harness]

how

[flint widget]

attack?

[viral yew]

Hitting them with attacks or specials or whatever

[flint widget]

if u have rapture ring it automatically destroys the bombs if ur using a short ranged weapon like medea

[patent harness]

had no idea you could even do that

after defeating her 3 times

[viral yew]

😭

[patent harness]

but prometheus + hercules...

can't imagine how hard typhon and chronos 4 are

[flint widget]

oh boy

you are not ready

[viral yew]

You're gonna love them

[flint widget]

🫡

[patent harness]

maybe if i just use circe toula

[viral yew]

Raki is better

Or gale

[patent harness]

oh i thought toula followed best

[viral yew]

Noooope

[vernal quiver]

Toula does whatever tf she wants

[patent harness]

but idk what the best weapon is for rivals

[viral yew]

Whatever weapon your best with

[patent harness]

i'm guessing it's circe

[viral yew]

I did my 62f with circe and it's pretty safe

[vernal quiver]

Uhhh mel/circe staff are both super good but yeah like luthien said its whatever you're best with since you arent at a high enough fear for it to matter

[patent harness]

so many builds are slow / unsafe for these "always moving, you can't move" bosses

[viral yew]

I'd recommend anubis for surface tho

[viral yew]

That's more of a skill issue than a build issue

[vernal quiver]

You'll only actually start feeling weapon issues at 55+ when grit and hoards become a problem, until then just whatever youre best with

[patent harness]

anubis doesn't have issues with the constant movement?

[viral yew]

Yeah pretty much

It can but if you play it right/use ospecials it works out fine

[flint widget]

medea

[viral yew]

But is one of my favourites for rivals typhon and promacles

It's just annoying for eris some runs

[patent harness]

i'm stuck at 20 fear because i trolled and just started doing rivals but can't beat rivals 3 on blades :^)))))) kind of lame to softlock the other weapons

[flint widget]

you can't die if almost all enemies die in one or two hits 💯

[viral yew]

Wdym softlock?

[patent harness]

playing medea seems impossible against "zone of death" bosses

softlocked testament progress

[viral yew]

I was terrified of doing 50f medea until I did it easy first try

[flint widget]

wdym zone of death

[vernal quiver]

Just do different vows?? 😭

[viral yew]

😭 😭

[patent harness]

like if i play medea i just die to anything because i am dashing into / close to everything

[flint widget]

well idk what to tell u but thats a skill issue

[vernal quiver]

Medea is highkey a skillcheck

[viral yew]

Yeah pretty much

[upbeat matrix]

@patent harness can I introduce you to the church of eos

[patent harness]

yea i could just progress by doing no rivals

[flint widget]

medea is more of a hit and run aspect imo

[vernal quiver]

And the hope is that you hit them once and they die

[flint widget]

when u have the chance strike and then scram when the enemies attack

[upbeat matrix]

Like honestly, as someone who had trouble with the rivals fights, you do eventually get used to it. Just make sure it's frenzy0 at first and no other difficulty mods so that u can the boss fights at ur best

[viral yew]

Nah do the rivals with frenzy 2 the whole time like me

[vernal quiver]

You have to be very aware of certain hazards and attacks since there are things you just cant approach or need to use Oattack

[patent harness]

i do like eos

[upbeat matrix]

Eos is great vs typhon, polyphemous and to some extent promecles but its bad against eris

[viral yew]

Did all the rivals first try with frenzy 2 but I never take it off

[upbeat matrix]

It's really safe in surface rooms though

[patent harness]

but it seems like it would be worse than circe

[viral yew]

Eris just needs a lot of burst damage

[vernal quiver]

Eos is super fun i did a 62f uw with it

[viral yew]

Circe is a lot more build specific

[vernal quiver]

Sure but like again it doesnt matter until 55+ fear

[flint widget]

eos all it needs to be cracked is a % attack and an on hit special and ez game

[vernal quiver]

If we go that route then only play mel staff

[upbeat matrix]

On 45F+ I struggle with Ud, I need to learn the bosses better because I feel UD bosses are alot hardwr

[viral yew]

I'm so bad at surface I had to do my 55 with Mel staff

[vernal quiver]

I did mel staff for my 65f so I was carried 🥀

[viral yew]

They are yes

Except cerb for some reason

[patent harness]

ok i guess i'll take off rivals and try to git gud first

[flint widget]

i got carried by pan tk for 65f surface 💔

[upbeat matrix]

Keep rivals on. Remove other mods

[vernal quiver]

Respect halved for all of us 🥀

[viral yew]

Would you say pan is better than the other two for tk?

[viral yew]

Keep frenzy 2 on tho

[patent harness]

you guys are too good i just need to get out of the softlock first :/

[upbeat matrix]

I disagree with frenzy2. If you want to climb high fear leave it on maybe but if you don't want to speedrun/high fear no need for it

[flint widget]

id say mel blades and pan are equal for tk

[vernal quiver]

What are you even doing for your 20f vows

[flint widget]

backstab value for tk is huge

[viral yew]

It's not a softlock what?

[flint widget]

and homing for pan is also huge

[patent harness]

like when i use staff right now

[flint widget]

arty is like ehhhh

[viral yew]

Yeah i figured

[vernal quiver]

Since you could also just be making the game harder for yourself than it needs to be

[patent harness]

it says "no testaments available, but x weapon is..."

i think i got staff and axe and torches to 20

and the others are at 16

[vernal quiver]

Thats what it says when your weapon is out of testaments and its telling you one thats not out of testaments 😭

[viral yew]

Yeah so final testaments

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsMTJd my lowest possible fear setup

[patent harness]

oh is 20 the max then?

i thought it would keep going to like 24, 28, 32

[vernal quiver]

Yeah testaments only go to 20 for each weapon

[patent harness]

but i already got too much nightmare

so i guess i'm closer thani thought

[upbeat matrix]

Have fun lol

[patent harness]

to finishgin all unlocks

[upbeat matrix]

It's much easier to get nightmare this game than it was to get titan blood in h1

Which is great honestly

[patent harness]

yea

[viral yew]

Yeah i mean if you have all the hidden aspects and everything levelled up then yeah

[patent harness]

i have all hidden aspects and everything maxed except for some melinoe aspects that need the blue rock

[flint widget]

blue rock?

[viral yew]

You don't need nightmare outside of cosmetics now

[viral yew]

Summit Rock probs

[patent harness]

i was very efficient with grinding for bones / nightmares, looked it up int he first few hours

uhhhh i forgot the name maybe it's just the silver

[upbeat matrix]

When you get greatest gift of Gaia that will be easy, to get all materials

[patent harness]

but yeah i guess i'll look at some 32-67F runs to see how people do these things

with the rivals and frenzy

[upbeat matrix]

Which gods/keepsakes do you use most?

[viral yew]

If you're not alr whimming it

[patent harness]

zeus apollo hestia probably

oh i have not tried using the pom keepsake

[viral yew]

Oh my god

[patent harness]

i usually go for god keepsakes and transition into pin

[viral yew]

USE IT IT'S THE BEST KEEPSAKE

[vernal quiver]

Id say watch 62f, 65/67 they get their builds in like 3 rooms

[patent harness]

yea i need to grind the keepsake levels too ig

[viral yew]

Pom->chorelex->whatever->pin/antler

[vernal quiver]

Pom is a free +4 on everything plus potentially gigaros or deep dissent, its insane

[upbeat matrix]

Not bad if you play consistent runs

Jpom is insanely strong though currently ngl

Also getting access to more arcana is amazing

[vernal quiver]

And chrolex makes debt not exist and chaos just becomes 1000% free timesave

Fates whim is just busted, also makes you have to learn how to stitch together non perfect builds and make things work

[viral yew]

Still want to know what the 20f is

[vernal quiver]

Same, if its grit hoards pain rivals imma scream

[viral yew]

Real

[patent harness]

chrolex is time piece?

[vernal quiver]

Yeah

Let's you turn chaos into 500 gold, minor rewards become 150, major rewards are 300 iirc

[viral yew]

Onion is 150, minor is 200

[patent harness]

what about the 20f?

[viral yew]

Boons are 400 are they not

[viral yew]

What are your vows

[upbeat matrix]

Which fear vows are you using

[patent harness]

oh lol nah i am going easy mode

[viral yew]

Upgraded ones are 760

[patent harness]

i can easily get 20-30F if i avoid rivals

[viral yew]

WHAT ARE THE VOWS

[vernal quiver]

Timer3 grit3 hoards3 wards2 return2 pain3 just wait

[patent harness]

hordes, menace, fangs, shadow, hubris, denial, time 2

really easy

[viral yew]

Apart from hordes that's fine

[vernal quiver]

Why are you using hoards 😭 also no frenzy 🥀

[viral yew]

Hordes and no frenzy is crazy yeah

[upbeat matrix]

Hordes without grit isn't so bad tbh (iv done it too)

[patent harness]

i would've gone with debt but i was tryingto optimize for buying mats at the end

but now i'm done with buying them

[vernal quiver]

You see chrolex fixes that entirely

[viral yew]

Turn on hordes before grit but like after everything else

[upbeat matrix]

I mean if he's not trying to specifically climb fear or do speeds it's fine to not have frenzy

[viral yew]

😒

[patent harness]

i've done frenzy 1

actually

[vernal quiver]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsNSwwLDEsMCwwLDYsMCwyLDAsMF0=

[patent harness]

i think i did frenzy 2 once

[vernal quiver]

Thats what id do for non rivals 20f

[viral yew]

Easy days

[patent harness]

ty sir

[vernal quiver]

Debt and hubris are nothing vows, frenzy is super easy to get used to, fangs can be mean but no hoards means its free

Frenzy also helps with timer3

[patent harness]

why not menace

menace has lamost never bothered me

[vernal quiver]

Cuz some menace enemies are evil

[patent harness]

so far at least

[flint widget]

it's almost like they're menacing

[viral yew]

It's fine at 20

[patent harness]

yea

i guess timer3 would b ehard with hordes

[viral yew]

Not really

Grit is worse for timer 3

[upbeat matrix]

Hordes3 and grit3 together makes it hard

[viral yew]

But 20 minutes is loads of time anyway

[viral yew]

Only in erebus the other regions are free

[patent harness]

yea my fastest runs i have like 15 minutes left at timer 2 fear 16 or 20

[viral yew]

Surface is fine too, i'm just slow at rivals tyhpon

[patent harness]

on crazy axe spin build or extreme morrigan one hsot build

i just didn't commit to the 5 min

[upbeat matrix]

Timer2 is kinda free tbh

[patent harness]

yea

i'll try the ones you recommended

[viral yew]

Timer 3*

[patent harness]

but i think it'll be easy regardless if i don't do rivals

no rival = most runs i don't even use a death's dance

with fear 20

[viral yew]

No strength?

[patent harness]

i tried strength but they seem around the same, death more reliable...?

[upbeat matrix]

Strength is 20% more damage

[viral yew]

Strength is better healing, more damage, and just stronger in general, death is more health and safety

[patent harness]

yea

i also used toula

[spark crown]

Truee T-T

[viral yew]

Ew

[patent harness]

for bone farming

[viral yew]

Ah

I hate toula

[patent harness]

so i got used to having to use death, and strength just never felt as good when i realy needed it

[spark crown]

Toula is good hush Shiva enjoyer

[patent harness]

like against those rivals...

[viral yew]

You haven't even cleared 60f don't talk to me

[spark crown]

That's cuz strength is dogwater

[patent harness]

died first time fighting polyphemus rival with strength

[viral yew]

Oh yeah you'd want death for vor 4

[spark crown]

I'm getting to it okay

[upbeat matrix]

Death is good for learning bosses

[patent harness]

yea

[spark crown]

Death is good.

[patent harness]

i will try to get all weapons past 20f tomorrow before doing rivals again

[viral yew]

We can't let faker win

[viral yew]

Why not all aspects?

[spark crown]

Good point good point

[upbeat matrix]

What's the context I'm missing

[patent harness]

ty for the advice

[viral yew]

Metal do you want to take this or should I

[patent harness]

is it worth going for every aspect? I feel like i don't really need to play mel blades anymore

[upbeat matrix]

I'm also trying 55Fear at grit3, hordes2 pain1 scars2 and Olympus is my bottleneck so far. Not getting too much time to play though till probs Christmas time

[patent harness]

seems like circe staff, morrigan blades, charon / nergal axe, eos flames, nyx coat, medea skull best

[viral yew]

Pretty much

[upbeat matrix]

Moros and eos are both equally good

[patent harness]

oh wait actually i feellike moros is better i misremembered the name

idk why i have trouble with eos, the cloud isn't satisfying with dmg to me

[upbeat matrix]

Spam specials, cloud will copy it

Ur specials are you damage with that weapon not the attack

[patent harness]

do you use omega special?

i get hit while trying to optimize for cloud time up + special omega

[viral yew]

Metal is gone so i'll do it, Faker was someone who came into the server and was talking mad s**t because I called him bad, was extremely homophobic to me and Metal, and said that he didn't respect my 60f clear cause it was uw and not surface, despite his max fear being 40, so I told him to go clear 60f surface, Metal decided to do 60f too out of spite, I have since done 62f, Metal is at 32f, and last we heard of faker he was at 43f

I can link it if you want to read through it

[upbeat matrix]

Yeah omega special and then spam regular specials

[patent harness]

dang i thought you were talking about league of legends faker

[upbeat matrix]

Nah the summary is great

[patent harness]

ok i'll try eos again

[viral yew]

His entire profile was the LoL guy

[patent harness]

ty again good night

[viral yew]

Big stan loser energy

[upbeat matrix]

Good that he's at 43F only iv beaten him already

[viral yew]

I called him bad, and i'm still right

[upbeat matrix]

Yeah like I'm not even that good and iv beat his fear rec already LOL

[viral yew]

I just never understood not respecting someone for smth when you can't even do it yourself

Maybe he was just mad a lesbian was talking down to him

[upbeat matrix]

Probably, lol

[viral yew]

What's your best fear?

[upbeat matrix]

50f surface

45f underworld

[viral yew]

Surface being higher than uw threw me for a second

Solid numbers tho

[flint widget]

62f when?

[upbeat matrix]

I'm bad at bosses LOL

[upbeat matrix]

I'll try before year end but not confident tbh

[median anvil]

some people do prefer surface

[upbeat matrix]

I have to do lot of work from Monday onwards so won't have much time for hades2. I think to climb fear I'll have to do it on moros probs

[flint widget]

most notably the chinese high fear players

[upbeat matrix]

Or maybe I should go circe lol

[flint widget]

wtf is a j*b

[upbeat matrix]

Also like I want to save state practice hecate, scylla, chronos eventually but km super lazy

[flint widget]

nah dont

[upbeat matrix]

On no I'm an unemployed burnout, I need to get a job

[median anvil]

hecate and scylla don't need savestate practice you can learn them through attempts

chronos practice can help though

[upbeat matrix]

His phase 3 is damn hard honestly

Also like I have some bad habits with scylla that's why I want to save state practice

Like I don't dodge into jetty as much as I should, I still have reflex of dodging backwards

And tbh there is a TON going on in scylla fight

And scylla herself has that stupid delay which makes it even more annoying

I also should probs practice typhon save state I'm not consistent there either

The big attacks I know how to manage, smaller ones get me though

[oblique hazel]

im an hour late but hi ive done eos 62 in my experience one of the best tools for getting your daybreakers and omega specials channeled safely is your cast, you can put it down as you channel the omegas and move backwards and its super safe whether you do it at the start of an encounter or in the middle of combat (even more so with messenger which i highly recommend taking on eos its sooooo good)

[upbeat matrix]

Good to know for me as well

[noble wadi]

i found out you can start the spin on the axe's omega attack by dashing from a charged state
feels very good

[tall notch]

good morning chat

[viral yew]

It is nearly 11 pm

[vernal quiver]

4am for me 🥀

[tall notch]

no

[manic shuttle]

you're all wrong, it's 3pm

[flint widget]

same for me

[manic shuttle]

it means it's the correct hour then

[manic shuttle]

which country you're in

[flint widget]

qatar

out of all countries

[digital juniper]

can confirm, the only correct timezone

[flint widget]

YO WHAT

1:32 IMPROVEMENT ON SURFACE

WENT FROM 7:36 TO A 6:04 WTF

[viral yew]

😭

[flint widget]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1451920189242212373/image.png?ex=6947ed8c&is=69469c0c&hm=14a93b7ca64ab5aec03ac64b5015b63bc02150d603c1adf6e002e1e2c60e3a68&animated=true

if this damn game didnt give me tail i wouldve gotten sub 6

[spark crown]

Your wrong it's 12am

[viral yew]

Damn straight

[spark crown]

🤝

[cursive kindle]

Oh wow. Doing a run in less than 7 minutes is very impressive, even if that run isnt 12 fear

[median anvil]

6 fear is frenzy2 which is beneficial for going fast, another 6 is time3 which is irrelevant because you're going mega fast anyway

[flint widget]

time 3 is just for aesthetics

and frenzy 2 reduces enemy spawn time so yeah what pizza said

[viral yew]

12f means the run is faster

[cursive kindle]

Is frenzy the one that makes enemies faster?

[cursive kindle]

Why is that?

[digital juniper]

me with 12f from grit 3 hordes 3, void 4 and return

[viral yew]

Frenzy makes enemies spawn faster and timer provides motivation

[cursive kindle]

I see

[digital juniper]

due to the vow of frenzy, it does make the enemies faster but it also makes them spawn faster. timer is just aesthetics

[viral yew]

Also makes some boss animations faster iirc?

[flint widget]

if i recorded this run it wouldve been 6th on the leaderboards

[cursive kindle]

@flint widget i do not know how much frenzy helps, but i still think your run is very impressive. Good job!

You seem like a very talented person

[digital juniper]

makes invulnerability phases shorter ya

[viral yew]

Nah he's kinda buns

Can't even do 67f

Or sub 6 surface

[cursive kindle]

Smh

[flint widget]

yeah im so washed

[median anvil]

enemies spawn faster and boss invulnerability phases become a little shorter

[cursive kindle]

Checkmate? You seem more like checkers to me

Im so rude

And evil😈

Oh wait the name of the game is chess, so my joke sucks

[flint widget]

ok get ur gacha life tiktok edit ass outta here

[cursive kindle]

I dont even know what that means :(

I think my highest fear run is 12

[viral yew]

[cursive kindle]

Maybe ill try a 20 fear run

[spark crown]

A true man's gambit

[flint widget]

5:45 32f, not bad

[vernal quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912456622440325213/1451948409761300742/my-image.png?ex=694807d4&is=6946b654&hm=9d28a3d8db5389c61c5772b809c5de0ea3ab186d65080cd383c5b4ce49632bd5&

chat how crazy am

in the context of high fear i should specify

B is the like i cant complain, C is the needs building into, then D leans into the like i kinda dont care, A is great and S is a must take

[viral yew]

I'm pretty happy with this

[spark crown]

I'm scared that y'all will yell at me if I do one of these

(if y'all want it I'll do when I get up from me sleep)

[viral yew]

We will

[spark crown]

Welp you've convinced me

[vernal quiver]

bro is gonna put every cast boon in bottom since its "not their playstyle" 😔

[unreal rose]

Why is Supernova bad ?

[spark crown]

nah this is the base im using https://tiermaker.com/create/hades-ii---all-boons---upgrades-unseen-update-16166865

[viral yew]

It kinda just doesn't do anything outside of charon

[unreal rose]

I thought that if the room is full of ennemies thanks to hordes it could be useful to make more area damage ?

[viral yew]

I mean hordes spawns a normal amount of enemies just more waves

[flint widget]

goddamnit, fumbled a potential sub 8 50f

ass chronos patterns

[spark crown]

https://imgur.com/3qz1bq5 heres a taste (not ragebait in placement matters in tiers)

[vernal quiver]

heaven strike in c is crazy

[flint widget]

breaker rush in d tier 💔

storm ring in c

[viral yew]

I hate you

So much

[flint widget]

high surf in a

sea star in s

[viral yew]

😭 😭 😭 😭

[flint widget]

this gotta be ragebait

[spark crown]

SNEE SNAR IS THE GOAT YOU TAKE THAT BACK

[unreal rose]

Oh right I didn't really know that

[flint widget]

also heaven strike in c!?

[viral yew]

Electric overload in a?

[spark crown]

I dont use the strike the flourish is B aproching a

[viral yew]

Metal is just like that

[spark crown]

A REMINDER I MAIN MORRIGAN T_T

[flint widget]

both blitz attack and special should be in s tier

[vernal quiver]

and blitz is amazing on either of those slots 😭

[flint widget]

also imma be for real air quality is kinda cheeks

[vernal quiver]

ong

[spark crown]

i can tell yall gonna hate the placements of the next gods T_T

[flint widget]

aint really worth it besides static shock and hel

[spark crown]

blitz attack on morrigan only feels good with final slice

deadass

[vernal quiver]

or the rare demeter cast circe with ares blades

[flint widget]

also hereditary bane at d!?

absolutely goated for room clear and rivals prom

[vernal quiver]

hereditary bain is just more hitch damage 🥀 i was gonna put it lower but then i realized its just free damage

[spark crown]

OH I MIXED IT UP T_T

[flint widget]

theres no way

[spark crown]

i thought it was just duration T_T

[vernal quiver]

😭

[spark crown]

shhhh i dont use hera often

[flint widget]

hades 2 players cant read

[spark crown]

I DONT HAVE TOOL TIPS RN ONLY ICONS BUT I GOT 90% OF THEM MEMORISED

[vernal quiver]

i just had fextra pulled up next to it lmao

so i could search for the boon if i forgot what it did

[flint widget]

ok imma pull out my different take on this tier list

[vernal quiver]

to elaborate actually since it is my list, ive never really found a spot where supernova really does anything on high fear unless youre playing charon like luthien mentioned. realistically it shouldnt have to do anything either if you have a good established damage output and crowd control

even on stuff like circe if you take supernova its nice and makes layering easier but thats about it

[unreal rose]

Have to admit I do pick it fairly often, but it's mainly to chase Apollo's legendary

[median anvil]

supernova goes hard on any build where your cast does anything, you just tend to take other apollo boons over it

[vernal quiver]

that too, but even on circe i never find myself taking supernova much at all

especially when zeus cast can only hit one guy at a time anyway, like why would the cast need to be bigger if im placing it well as is

[unreal rose]

I find it great on Heph and Hestia but it was probably not that useful so you can't really waste a boon pick on it in high fear, it makes sense

[spark crown]

ok ive just finished demeter apollo and aphro yall wanna see it now or after the rest of the olympions

[vernal quiver]

ill wait to be upset at you until youre finished 🥀

[flint widget]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1283830399683919906/1451955200783810580/Opera_Snapshot_2025-12-20_181105_tiermaker.com.png?ex=69480e27&is=6946bca7&hm=cbed569fcfeca9426b61075a8ffc9d3c8f91d97bb432704c2a1764f1562beed4&animated=true

heres my different take

i speedran placing these so i might change them later

[spark crown]

the olympions arnt they only thing in the list ive got hammers and selene in here aswell :)

[flint widget]

not in order

[vernal quiver]

theres gotta be something im just not used to doing for nexus rush since it always feels so gross to me

also arc flash in D is interesting, i know it has some pretty strong implications on any omega heavy weapon but ig that ultimately makes it situational and harder to get active

[flint widget]

its decent on things that can auto attack for u like anubis eos and supay

just run around ez game

id rather have something like blinding rush tho

sea star is in d tier cuz it slows me down every time i take in on a speedrun

its not bad i just have beef with it

[spark crown]

https://imgur.com/0vuUdQP Main Olympians

[flint widget]

extra dose in a

[vernal quiver]

grisly gain in A i cant

[spark crown]

it only spirals from here

[flint widget]

extended family in d

[spark crown]

ITS GOOD GRRRR

[vernal quiver]

also why is smithy rush in b 😭

[flint widget]

LUCID GAIN IN C

[spark crown]

ITS MY OPINION

[vernal quiver]

molten touch C 😔

[flint widget]

highly flammable in b

arctic gale in c

[spark crown]

i thought i put that in c mb

[flint widget]

heavy metal in c

[vernal quiver]

trusty shield not in S is dubious work

[flint widget]

exactly

[vernal quiver]

why is wave flourish in B but strike is in C 😭

[spark crown]

ill be so real i never get heph unless i force him

[spark crown]

preferance

[flint widget]

flame strike in b

FIRE AWAY IN S

that legendary boon is so cheeks what

[vernal quiver]

the implication that sea star is better than blinding rush is baffling to me

[spark crown]

i genuinely love it

idk how blinding rush made it so far down the list

[flint widget]

local climate in a

arctic ring in a

[spark crown]

i dont cast often but number = big

[flint widget]

arctic is s tier

you dont cast often

thats crazy

450 hours btw

[vernal quiver]

bro is just saying stuff atp

[spark crown]

even when casting i dont get much use outta artic T_T

[flint widget]

bro what

[vernal quiver]

wdym you dont get much out of artic 😭

[digital juniper]

HUH

[flint widget]

what are u saying arctic ring does something

[spark crown]

😭

[vernal quiver]

completely stopping enemies plus a curse is insane like what

[flint widget]

this is top tier ragebait

everybody falling for ts

[spark crown]

ITS NOT RAGEBAIT T_T

[digital juniper]

arctic ring is most likely the best defensive boon in the game

[flint widget]

besides trusty shield and snow queen

[vernal quiver]

i only have 140 and my takes arent this abysmal 🥀

[spark crown]

im bout to boot this game to show you my artic pick rate T_T

i love that noone is questioning the top of s teir btw XD

[flint widget]

they deserve to be in s tier besides extra dose

[digital juniper]

oh yea i forgot about those

[flint widget]

and fire away

[vernal quiver]

i was going to but then realized its meaningless 😔

[flint widget]

and sea star

[spark crown]

SEA STAR IS GOOD

[digital juniper]

snea snar

[flint widget]

i have beef with sea star

its good yea but its not s tier

[digital juniper]

sea star’s upside is that it’s funny

and that’s basically it

[vernal quiver]

everytime sea star costs me 2 seconds cuz i forgot i had it makes me resent the extra 25 health

[flint widget]

its at most low a or high b

[spark crown]

https://imgur.com/2l8y501

[flint widget]

thats arctic gale not arctic ring

[vernal quiver]

arctic gale is still regardless an amazing boon that should be taken almost everytime 😔

[spark crown]

rings in a teir and yall complaining T_T

https://imgur.com/C473Wtq

[digital juniper]

gale is still great and should be a pickup very frequently

[vernal quiver]

how did you go on that 100+ losing streak and manage to only take those both 20 times

[flint widget]

ok imma speedrun the other gods tierlist

[spark crown]

you wont like this next image

https://imgur.com/OzC6JCI

[vernal quiver]

ok yeah i think i see the issue with 60f for you 🥀 /lh

some dubious boon choices

[spark crown]

it dosnt get better https://imgur.com/NfNNHgR

oop

did that break?

[viral yew]

Heaven flourish taken 35 times and not a single clear

[spark crown]

dud linked T_T

https://imgur.com/EVTAwjS

page 2

the silence speaks volumes

ive still got all this to teir and yall giving up now https://imgur.com/OTUfyNa

but that waits till i sleep

[flint widget]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1283830399683919906/1451960285085564978/Opera_Snapshot_2025-12-20_183127_tiermaker.com.png?ex=694812e4&is=6946c164&hm=210ce46b10c2058600cd7056ed9669e619177ce34c4582a9c4146f714c9cb839&animated=true

heres my different take

speedran all these, might change later cuz i rushed it

[vernal quiver]

holy passion/stabbing rush hate

[flint widget]

theyre cheeks, idk what to say to you

[spark crown]

^^^^

[flint widget]

stabbing rush can be good but only with two duo boons

well actually only one

coffin nail

passion rush however, theres no saving it

[spark crown]

passion rush is only good for aphro legd requirements

[bright path]

Passion rush is okay if you can't take glamour gain

[flint widget]

or rapture

[bright path]

Yeah

[flint widget]

but id much rather have something else on the sprint instead tbh

[bright path]

It's option #3, but it's better at applying its debuff than most of the sprints

[vernal quiver]

i see it as a super consistent and easy wards clearer that also kills erebus stuff super quick and is a super easy get for origination

imo stabbing rush is just passion rush without the curse and as long as theres a curse theres value

[bright path]

But stabbing also only fires behind you, while passion fires around you.

[flint widget]

ok time for the other boons

[bright path]

So even without the curse, passion is better

[digital juniper]

i would say it’s not a great weak applicator tbh because it lasts for so little time, good enough for dash strike builds though

[flint widget]

yeah thats the only saving grace for passion, its good for dash strike

[vernal quiver]

ig im too staff pilled then

[flint widget]

ok since i only put hermes boons as the new boons ill just list them here

s: nitro boost, hasty retreat and success rate
a: nimble limbs, racing thoughts, stutter step, quick buck, and travel deal
b: hard target and mean streak
c: tall order and winners circle
d: paid dues

[spiral wadi]

stabbing rush should become meta in patch 2

[bronze flax]

I am a bit confused about why the falling swords need to have the delay by default tbh

The swords get pretty funny with Coffin Nail though

[spiral wadi]

it's prob cuz h1 behavior, but no tracking like h1 doom makes it super ass

[manic shuttle]

shimmering moonshot is so funny on anubis

[opal pecan]

Shimmering Moonshot is so funny on anubis

[manic shuttle]

especially funny on anubis because it suck everybody in

[opal pecan]

True! A worthy suckcessor :P

[dusk sandal]

I just bought hades 2 what weapon is the most like the sword?

[median anvil]

probably the sister blades?

[digital juniper]

if you like the aspect of arthur, the axe feels similar to it

[forest hinge]

Staff is you liked the speed/combo of the sword, Axe if you liked the hidden aspect of the sword

to spawn Hearthrob/SoulUrn/RightPike, the mana cost stacks up right? you dont need to spend 40/60/90 mana all at once right?

[hushed moat]

Any build ideas for aspect of Medea for skull

[scarlet ferry]

Having Zeus on special is good because you’ll be constantly applying blitz and the skulls with trigger it. For attack just pick whatever big damage boon you like

[hushed moat]

k, what's a decent damage boon tho

[scarlet ferry]

The freeze and/or gust from demeter’s cast is really good since you’re gonna be jumping into groups of enemies.

A ton of Hermes’ boons help.

Athena has some really good boons to combo with as well

[scarlet ferry]

I think I used Ares on attack yesterday.

[hushed moat]

ight thanks

[scarlet ferry]

No problem. Also, you can pretty much ignore magic since you don’t need any of your Omega moves. EXCEPT if you get the hammer upgrade that makes the skulls launch their omega attack when landing at the cost of mana

[hushed moat]

k

the possessed array?

[scarlet ferry]

Yep

[hushed moat]

k

[scarlet ferry]

If you get that, get whatever magic regen you like. Aphrodite and Hestia are my personal favorites but I think Aphrodite is better here. Damage reduction + applying a curse without having to do anything is so good

[hushed moat]

k

[scarlet ferry]

I put this in #h2-victory-boasting but thought I should put it here as well:

The only Magic Regen boons I always feel good taking are Aphrodite’s and Hestia’s. Apollo is a close third contingent on me consistently using casts.

• I hate Zeus’s and Demeter’s magic regen.

• Ares’ is similarly annoying and clunky to use.

• I only like Hephaestus’ if I’m purely using it for damage reduction or if I’m already doing a tank build.

• Hera’s doesn’t have the longevity for a magic intensive build. Similarly, I don’t feel comfortable using Poseidon’s if I’m liberally using high mana moves.

Aphrodite’s is the GOAT

• damage reduction
• fast regen
• applying a curse for Origination for effectively doing nothing.

[oblique hazel]

aphro being called fast regen is kinda wild, she doesnt give you regen while you channel omegas and without jpom her regen is often times slower than the unseen arcana lol. alright regen if youre close to a bunch of enemies but in your average boss fight youre not getting much

[hollow briar]

It’s crazy how good the Shimmering Hammers are on both Staff and Coat but then it absolutely blows on Blades (other than probably OSpesh Pan, but I haven’t played enough of it to tell)

[bright path]

Aphro regen is goated ||if you're not playing a magic-heavy build||

[forest hinge]

Aphro regen is great for Origin and just the passive weak effect, not great for actually using omegas tho yeah

[hollow briar]

Which is unfortunate since it messes with Huntress, but at that point, where you feel the need to meta-game it, you can probably just get a different source of Orig or forgo Huntress lol

[hollow briar]

Thinking about the Oops! All Status build. Start with Apollo Attack, get Dazzling Display (Daze), swap/sell for Poseidon’s and get both High Surf and Slippery Slope (Froth [Inflicted by High Surf]), then sell/swap for Demeter Attack (Freeze). Get Zeus Special (Blitz) and Hestia Cast for Thermal Dynamics (Scorch), and sell/swap Hestia’s Cast for Hera (Hitch). Heph Dash with Furnace Blast (Glow). Grisly Gain, with Glowing Coal or Controlled Burn, lets you get Fourth Degree (Wounds) and sell/swap this for Glamour Gain (Weak). Raki (Marked), Arctic Gale (Gust), Twilight Curse (Morph) or Selene’s Hex (Shine), Gigaros Dash (Scorn), and Drunken Stupor (Hangover). With that, you can theoretically get every one of these on an enemy at once, but it would be kinda hard to line everything up

[silent crow]

aphro regen is BiS for morrigan imo

[digital juniper]

hit sweeping ambush and you’re cooked

[edgy nacelle]

imo what’s BiS for morrigan depends on how you’re playing morrigan
cause yeah like six said sweeping ambush morrigan means glamour gain isn’t gonna cut it (and I love that hammer lol)

also I sometimes hold down oatk longer than I need to while repositioning to aim, and doing that iirc turns off glamour gain and unseen type regen, which is… annoying

[tall notch]

o malkin look i finally played that thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVO44uHu5qc&t=1163s&pp=0gcJCTwKAYcqIYzv

no attack boon until cerb 🔥

[opal pecan]

Why does that always happen idgi

Maybe it's just "no attack boon until Cerb" is just indignation-inducing enough to stick in the ole memory banks

[tall notch]

ask jpom

and well the fates in general

they dont like filling my core slots at times

[forest hinge]

any cool supay builds? used to to run Heat/Bolt rush but idk should i be gunning for Dem rush plus AQ?

[hollow briar]

Supay and cool don’t usually belong in the same sentence unless bridged by “not”

Jokes aside, you can go for a fun Ares or Poseidon Rush build and supplement with, I dunno, double Heph Blasts lol (plus those unlock Coffin Nail or Seismic Servo respectively, so)

[tall notch]

I feel like jpom has actually helped supay a lot, the dreadful start is a little bit less dreadful and you can do some crazy damage when you keep autofiring stuff like blitz/waves

[hollow briar]

By far the least fun set of 62 clear attempts I’ve had in spite of this

Took about a dozen attempts, I think? More than three quarters were resets in/through Erebus, but still

[tall notch]

I enjoyed it far more than I thought I would, but maybe i just highrolled out of my mind

[hollow briar]

Thing is that little enjoyment was also still somehow more fun than I was expecting LOL

Conceptually I just Do Not like Supay, but I dunno. To each their own for sure—I’m guilty of some weird affinities in this game

[summer cipher]

Just played a run, and I think Ares is actually pretty good for aspect of Nergal

[edgy nacelle]

oh!! hell yeah
I still haven’t cleared it lol, I’m taking a break and doing some other stuff (and some other games)

[viral yew]

MALKIN MY BABY BOY

[edgy nacelle]

hiii lol
online on the server for the first time in ages (like less than a week but still)

[edgy nacelle]

generally I don’t build around rush tbh. or like, I do? but not as the main focus.
I generally prioritize special (zeus hestia poseidon) and build from there.
zeus special/attack + aphrodite for romantic spark is a VERY strong supay combo.
hera dash is also silly it just oneshots a lot of things. bad for bossing but then that’s why you build into special instead of just rush

[spark crown]

I still don't see what's wrong with this image

[forest hinge]

does romspark counts as rush dmg?

also does arachne keepsake linger after switching off from it?

[hollow briar]

1. Not afaik
2. The armor gained does, but you no longer gain more as a passive

[spark crown]

No it dosnt

[edgy nacelle]

no, but it doesn’t matter, it’s a crazy strong boon and supay triggers it really consistently. fr don’t get stuck in thinking abt rush damage, this isn’t old supay with 70% rush damage bonus anymore so idt it’s worth it to build around rush all that much

like see also: frigid rush + AQ is quite good on Supay, and also doesn’t benefit from the aspect bonus at all lol, since AQ happens after damage%

it just fits the playstyle really well, which is ultimately more important

[edgy nacelle]

did you make this

[spark crown]

Yes

[edgy nacelle]

is it personal enjoyment
cause if so valid

hm. actually you know what I find most confusing? low ranked lucid gain.
a lot of stuff I disagree with but I understand liking/disliking it, but lucid gain that low is kinda baffling, what did it do to you

[viral yew]

Yesss welcome back bestie

[spark crown]

It's in my opinion how strong I find them

[cerulean panther]

I swear H2 is worse about spawning secondary and tertiary boons before your cores are filled out. You pick up one to start and the floodgates open.

[spark crown]

Lucid only feels good on circe for me

[cerulean panther]

Do you not play Charon?

[edgy nacelle]

???????
huh
circe doesn’t rly need do- OH WAIT YOU DONT CAST ALMOST AT ALL

SPRAYS YOU WITH WATER

:(

ofc lucid feels bad I forgot who I was talking to for a second

[viral yew]

[edgy nacelle]

if you’re casting the way you should be it’s like. a lot of free magick once every 3 seconds lol it’s probably the strongest gain boon overall imo. no downsides, enough magick for most builds in the game

cause I was abt to say why would it feel better on circe, circe gets double magick regen but doesn’t need that much magick lol. but then. ah. if circe makes you actually use your cast…….

[spark crown]

I'm getting better at casting everytime the last cast goes down but lucid still feels so weak without circe or winners circle

[viral yew]

[spark crown]

Oh I guess it's be good on Charon but screw that aspect

[viral yew]

LMAO

Metal, why do you always seem to look at the meta, and then proceed to do the opposite

[edgy nacelle]

what have you tried to use it on….? cause genuinely it’s just. so much magick regen

I guess if you’re not running jpom then common lucid gain can’t keep up with everything

HM actually I will give it that: lucid gain likes rarity and pom levels. comparing it to grisly gain, with both at common lv1 grisly could def regen magick faster on a fast hitting weapon

but then on the other hand rarity and poms don’t help grisly that much, whereas on a jpom run lucid gain is often just a casual 120+ magic every 3 seconds without needing to uh. do anything

and tbh often even more than that, I haven’t played in a bit and idr the exact numbers but it gets silly.
and then you can always add winner’s circle if you’re doing crazy magick spam stuff that needs even more, but you rarely need it

[spark crown]

Cuz I'm built different (I've never played meta builds in any game i play anyway they always feel garbage I make niche things work)

[viral yew]

Have you considered it's a skill issue

[spark crown]

Hel morrigan Mel/NYX coat Mel axe and Mel torches

[spark crown]

T-T

[viral yew]

You're built different (incorrectly)

[spark crown]

Crazy work

If I were anyone else I'd report you to the mods for being a hater :P

[night lagoon]

Charon?????????????

[edgy nacelle]

?????? metal….. metal nyx coat uses less magick than common lucid gain restores 😭 what do you mean

hel gives you a buff that lasts 3 seconds for 50 magick
lucid gain restores 40 magick at common every 3 seconds
any rarity or 1 pom and it’s fine

[edgy nacelle]

wait what. wait. mel axe????????? why are you. huh? what magick are you using on mel axe

[spark crown]

Ospec and oattack

[hollow briar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/616434369867022346/1452079341168234679/IMG_2353.png?ex=694881c5&is=69473045&hm=02dae14dd8650086b819b9c474152c53122414bf004f38e5fd58fd86ac0272b7&

[edgy nacelle]

😭 the aspect bonus doesn’t even apply to oatk
you’re just playing slow thanatos with some max hp

[spark crown]

I said that later I forgot it existed cuz I hate it 😭

[hollow briar]

Something along the lines of my take, but this was VERY rushed and the criteria could be expanded upon, I think

I also just don’t really like discussing the usability of like, half of the Boons because there’s just so many different factors that play into what you want/need at a case-by-case basis

[spark crown]

Makes me wanna finish my teirlist (need to put the duos hammers various blessings and godsents)

[viral yew]

Stabbing rush and sword ring too low

[hollow briar]

(Nitro Boost should be below Trusty and with Snow Queen btw)

[hollow briar]

I don’t think they’re necessarily awful, but I do think them being significantly worse before getting Duo(s) and not applying a Curse makes them feel so far beneath almost every other option that I just feel gross clicking them

[edgy nacelle]

not a fan of the movement speed?

[spark crown]

My younger brother is gonna do a boons teirlist update y'all when he's done

[hollow briar]

Oh, I am, I just believe Trusty’s better than both imo

[edgy nacelle]

that's fair! I think I'd probably put nitro boost with trusty shield, although I do like trusty slightly more

not having the barrier always active is a shame
but more potential free hits per room + movement speed without needing to click blinding rush/chaos is quite nice

so for me it's absolutely above snow queen, at least

wait also @spark crown question: are you using omegas when you play nyx, beyond just the omega sprint for the buff?

because while Ω spam Mel axe is....... not how I'd play it, I can understand that feeling magick intensive. but Nyx has me kinda stumped unless you're using omega attack/special a lot

[silent crow]

ok im gonna do a boons tierlist since all the good peopel are doing it

[edgy nacelle]

but the way I (and I'd guess most people) play Nyx, you use 30 magick at most every like..... 6 seconds? and lucid gain should give you 80+ in that window so idk what's going on there

I would do a boon tierlist but it's too much effort and I don't feel like it xo
maybe another day

[spark crown]

Sprint into ospec or if I get the block into missiles I'll use sprint hold oattack

[silent crow]

gimme hte list

[spark crown]

https://tiermaker.com/create/hades-ii---all-boons---upgrades-unseen-update-16166865

[silent crow]

alright time to make people mad

[edgy nacelle]

to be clear, the aspect effect of Nyx doesn't affect omega moves at all, only non-omega moves
so if I want to use Ωspec and Ωatk I'd generally use like. Mel/Selene coat

you can ofc play every weapon however you want, but if that's how you're playing Nyx you're not rly getting much from uh. Nyx itself

[spark crown]

oh wait fr XD

[edgy nacelle]

yeah lmao
Nyx nightspawn only splits normal specials and attacks, which is why you only rly use magick for the sprint usually

it's.... possibly the cheapest aspect which still needs magick to function? since you need 30 per 6 seconds or so (5 second buff window + charge time for the sprint)
so like. kinda anything can sustain it, common lv1 glamour gain is enough even lol

[spark crown]

The child's teirlist has born gain in d teir

[edgy nacelle]

LMAO

[silent crow]

im kinda having fun with the tier list

[spark crown]

Infact he thinks is only a little better than Zeus gain

[silent crow]

i put stabbing rush at the very top of C btw

[edgy nacelle]

ok I mean at least zeus gain is low, my beloathed

[edgy nacelle]

honestly pretty reasonable, idk if I'd put it that high but I wouldn't disagree

I think part of why I struggle to make it feel good is that I play ranged a lot lol and then it's just kinda. not hitting

[silent crow]

C+ is where i put the demeter attacking boons and arc flash i think its about on that level

[edgy nacelle]

hmmm. I think for me I'd..... maybe put stabbing rush above arc flash
I just never have runs where arc flash feels like it does much

[silent crow]

arc flash is niche but decent

[edgy nacelle]

I prob underrate it, I think I just rarely play into its niche

altho also tbh I click blitz way less than I should
I'm fully aware it's op I just kinda... don't take it

[silent crow]

blitz does get lame

[edgy nacelle]

it also has a slightly slow start on some weapons where I rly don't want that
if my boonless DPS is low then blitz isn't going to help quite as much at first 🤷

[spark crown]

The child thinks Zeus gain is better than fineline

[edgy nacelle]

the child needs to play torches more, what is this hera slander
born gain fine line government mandated immersion

[spark crown]

He's a axe main

[edgy nacelle]

then born gain good on charon and than 🤷 and fine line not bad on them either

born gain good on nergal too for that matter

altho some ppl play axe and never use magick I suppose

[spark crown]

He's a thana axe user

Who loves psychic whirlwind

[edgy nacelle]

why the born gain hate if you like Ω axe gameplay it's just good...

what gain does he prefer?

[spark crown]

Ares gain T_T

enjoy that

[cerulean panther]

Grisly Gain is good if you have a Plasma set-up.

[spark crown]

https://imgur.com/s1KqZRN

mine

its not even done yet

[vernal quiver]

Breaker rush in d 🥀

[spark crown]

Its bad idk what to say

[vernal quiver]

Fridge rush and arctic gale in c 🥀

[spark crown]

also these are in order

[silent crow]

core gods and non duoshttps://media.discordapp.net/attachments/716773442958917753/1452086069653803199/image.png?ex=69488809&is=69473689&hm=a39c5a136d61a3e71c89dce928b4a6a5a061f64efb259a693b8909865862f487&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=969&height=1050

[vernal quiver]

Shoutout trick knives

[silent crow]

shh

[spark crown]

love that tk made the cut

[silent crow]

thoughts possible flaws

[edgy nacelle]

healing as its own tier is a good call
it's weird trying to rate those boons when scars exists

[spark crown]

shocking loss and winters harvest are a bit low

[silent crow]

i tried to rate them in context of how often the boon will show up

which is why nervous wreck and rallying cry are not S tier

[oblique hazel]

healing tier is such a good idea i should have done that

s tier cold storage is interesting, is it that strong?

i like it but i never thought of it as a really good boon

[silent crow]

i think common rarity is double freeze duration so yes id say so

[edgy nacelle]

honestly this is pretty solid to me
there are some boons I'd rank differently (I like weed killer a bit more than you do, and tranquil gain a lot less) but nothing I'm seeing is like. baffling to me

[spark crown]

im throwing everything in 1 teirlist so meh

[edgy nacelle]

cold storage also goes crazy with jpom
I know red rates it super high too

[oblique hazel]

heph blasts are a little low imo but seems nice

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695435127584587786/1452041025030979634/all_olympian_boons.png?ex=69485e15&is=69470c95&hm=0c5ac520b1bd33a6df005c652020098417a9d2669ab880f6eb3d332764689729&

[silent crow]

i do think i underrated heph blasts a bit yea

[oblique hazel]

i did all olympians

[edgy nacelle]

one thing I'm curious about: why grand caldera above all actual heph blasts? for its value when you do play them?

[silent crow]

yea its very strong

i dont like weed killer that much additive boost + being on demeter... it rarely shows up when i want it to

[vernal quiver]

Ive always felt like cold storage gets less useful the stronger you are

[edgy nacelle]

I think lately I like weed killer a lot specifically because I've been doing a lot of scorch morrigan
I love weed killer (and back burner) when paired with builds that don't have actual damage% core boons

[vernal quiver]

Since if things die quick anyway longer freeze time doesnt mean much

[silent crow]

this is true however you can say this about any defensive

[spark crown]

rating narcissius gifts rn

[silent crow]

what are we doing man 💔

[vernal quiver]

Yeah which is why I think its hard for me to rate anything defensive super high unless its like snow queen or trusty shield

Since like just get your build in 3 rooms ong

[spark crown]

rating every boon/blessing/hammer/godsent

[edgy nacelle]

narcissus gifts are so weird to rank
most of them are so forgettable

[silent crow]

its so rng based just pick the best one

[spark crown]

not to me

[edgy nacelle]

and then we have like. "life savings" of "it never shows up when I need it" fame
"mixed blessings" which is the main one I want but often just okay
and heavenly splendor which is admittedly quite fun

[edgy nacelle]

do you have one you like that isn't one of the three I just mentioned? I may be forgetting one

[oblique hazel]

nobody care me

[edgy nacelle]

but isn't it like. pom slice + plants, magick + psyche, silver + gold, max hp + something, healing + something? bones and ash prob but idr which is which

[oblique hazel]

max hp is bones i think

[edgy nacelle]

wait woah S tier paid dues huh. and D tall order

[indigo crescent]

Alright I finished a clear on both sides,

I now allow myself to learn the best builds etc

What is the current best weapon / aspect ?

[oblique hazel]

paid dues is just basically an auto win if you get it early/with enough gold is it not? and im biased towards forfeit + debt but tall order is like never active

[silent crow]

heresduo boonshttps://media.discordapp.net/attachments/716773442958917753/1452088981507276915/image.png?ex=69488abf&is=6947393f&hm=46dde6f4be3089d4513e7de99873932caf5a28ddbcc12d87e2dd93425e2e3d8e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1623&height=758

[edgy nacelle]

tall order kinda depends on the god pool, but it's active for me a lot tbh
any mono-element god + another god with that element + hermes and it's not too hard to activate imo

[silent crow]

i feel like these are harder to argue on

[edgy nacelle]

and then paid dues.... idk, the only time I'd like to see it is VERY late
lowkey I'd rather lose a DD early and buy it back later than lose a shop boon early and then have timer issues, gold is useful for so many things, so I'd only want paid dues if I'm at a point where all I'd rly care about buying is health and armor

[silent crow]

thats all the tiering ill be doing today

[digital juniper]

arterial in S is the only one i’m iffy on

the rest i get

[oblique hazel]

most annoying answer ever but thats a very hard question to answer lol, depends on how you play and what boons you wanna run. i think saying best weapon+aspect is mel staff is pretty safe but you can make like 80% of aspects reeeaally good

[silent crow]

arterial is the strongest duo for pos wave spam 35% minicrit rate on them is insane

[spark crown]

current tier list before i take a break https://imgur.com/vjDkMth

[edgy nacelle]

tbh I'd put burning desire in S, maybe I'm biased since it won me two of my 62s lol, but that thing is so good with pyro technique. so much safe damage

[oblique hazel]

b tier king's ransom? s tier arterial spray and hostile environment???

[indigo crescent]

I have had the most success yet with the Melinoe twin blades, I just want to upgrade my times, so whichever is better average

[edgy nacelle]

this is somewhat hard to answer btw, like what's the context? speedruns, high fear, general use? a lot of weapons are quite good. medea is the king of speedruns at the moment but I wouldn't say it's the easiest weapon to clear high fear with (altho it does so much damage that it's still great)

[digital juniper]

25% but it still really doesn’t feel like too much

like it’s not bad but it’s not as good as any of the others in S

[silent crow]

ransom is strong but so risky

[indigo crescent]

I don't really like high fear, I just want to have better times

[edgy nacelle]

hostile environment I kind of get, it's very niche but in that niche it's a LOT of damage%. idk if I'd personally put a boon that niche in S tier, but I understand 🤷

[silent crow]

i didnt rank the duos based on how hard they were to get bc a lot of the "hard" ones to get are alreayd based around specialized mechanics

[spark crown]

no opinions is crazy work

[edgy nacelle]

is there a weapon type you feel most comfortable with? and any preference like melee vs range?
medea skull is very very fast but also not everyone clicks with it, and it can be risky if you're not good at it

[silent crow]

if hostile environment ever shows up in your run 90% chance you take it and you win

[edgy nacelle]

there are too many ppl to respond to right now 😔 I'm getting to it

[oblique hazel]

but having the cast follow you makes it like way more dangerous to use right? ive never liked it at all on anything thats not momus

[indigo crescent]

I have experienced twin blades a lot lately, but I cannot run medea since I do not have the thing needed to upgrade

[edgy nacelle]

afaik on charon you still get the damage bonus but it doesn't follow you, since it only follows you if you channel

[silent crow]

the prereqs are specifically cast boons that benefit from it

if it actually shows up you will want it

[edgy nacelle]

and then on circe you get your second cast too since it's not very unsafe
momus does make cast melee only but is also kinda fun

[oblique hazel]

its anything demeter and then sword ring or meat grinder is it not

[silent crow]

yep

[oblique hazel]

and maybe local climate i dont remember

[silent crow]

following sword ring is broken

because falling blades are more like a status infliction

[edgy nacelle]

I suppose the fact that you need either sword ring or meat grinder makes it unlikely to show up if you aren't ocasting already
but idk, I take flex slot sword ring now and then on builds where I absolutely do not want to ocast 🤷

[oblique hazel]

"sword ring" and "broken" in the same sentence 💔

[silent crow]

sword ring haters need to pipe down these days

[viral yew]

I think that was the only time i've taken queens ransom and enjoyed it

[silent crow]

qransom is just so rarely good unfortunately % damage has it rough with poms

1 billion percent hereditary and dying wish is funny but not worth giving up all ur zeus

[edgy nacelle]

sword ring isn't that bad fr, the damage is solid and very good in AoE
bad for orig but. 🤷 if orig is covered then why not

[oblique hazel]

the queens ransom rousing reception...

[silent crow]

is this real news

[oblique hazel]

idk i wanna try it now

[edgy nacelle]

queen's ransom fine line + born gain more likely
but also rousing without wards would be funny

dying wish also sounds amusing to me lol

[edgy nacelle]

woah you REALLY like chaos huh

[viral yew]

It was more a thing of my build was good enough to win anway

[silent crow]

chaos has the best boons when they dont have the downside
or the ridiculous ranges of values

which like. wow no way really

[viral yew]

But 200% hera special trick knives with the apollo backstab goes nuts

Chaos has such a mixed bag of boons

Compared to H1

[silent crow]

no i think its bc in h2 there are better options to get stronger

in h1 damage is much harder to come by so the little additive boosts chaos would give you would be much more important

[oblique hazel]

i got so scared when i couldnt find revival in s but theyre ordered in the tiers thank god lol D TIER UNSEEN IRE HUH WHAT ON EARTH?????????????

[viral yew]

It's metal there is no point

[edgy nacelle]

ok wait no I can't stand by these chaos rankings
Mind in S tier is......... not it, sorry
30-40 max magick at common rarity in S tier above stuff like pyro technique and trusty shield is........ idk about that metal

[silent crow]

... heaven strike in C?????

[oblique hazel]

what is this d tier what am i looking at

[viral yew]

We've given up

[silent crow]

how is heaven flourish in A and heavin strike in C theyre the same thing cro

[spark crown]

reqireing to be hit is a big negitive ngl

[edgy nacelle]

some chaos boons are great
but max magick? would you really rank like. 1.5 soul tonics above pyro technique.... really?

[oblique hazel]

i know theres no changing him but i want to see the thought process

[spark crown]

if i could let yall into my mind to see what im thinking i would

[silent crow]

how is meat grinder B tier

[viral yew]

You're just insane

[oblique hazel]

its a contingency

[edgy nacelle]

tbh I don't really play unseen ire like... "intentionally get hit to trigger it"
but getting invulnerability for 5 seconds and a big universal damage bonus when you do innevitably get hit? great, fantastic even. it's like a mini engraved pin with damage% instead of conditional healing

[silent crow]

and 4 of the ares cores are D

have you actually played meat grinder ever

it literally does nothing

[spark crown]

your not invicible iirc you are just invisible

[silent crow]

you are both

[oblique hazel]

youre invulnerable while invisible

[edgy nacelle]

Dark
You are undetectable and Impervious for 5 Sec. This can recur only after 40 Sec.

and impervious!

[spark crown]

welp its moved to b teir

[oblique hazel]

s tier hestia legendary i wanna hear about this

[edgy nacelle]

idek how to rate hestia legendary
like idt it's good, but also it refuses to show up for me even when I actively try to get it

[spark crown]

removing projectiles is really good imo

[viral yew]

What does impervious even mean

[spark crown]

cant take damage

[edgy nacelle]

can't take damage
invulnerable
same diff

[oblique hazel]

immune to damage

[viral yew]

Ohhhh ok yeah

[edgy nacelle]

pervious apparently is a word wtf. have never heard it

[spark crown]

also if yall cant tell i hate hexes

[edgy nacelle]

just means permeable
so being impervious means having an impermeable shield which makes you invulnerable 👍

[viral yew]

I hate hexes too

[silent crow]

im so pervious

[edgy nacelle]

oh wait, why heavenly splendor below verdure sampler? seems odd to me

[indigo crescent]

I learned the first run I cleared, 2 runs ago, that ares was in the game lol

his boons are gvery good it looks like

[viral yew]

His boons are controversial

Some are good, some are really really bad

[edgy nacelle]

they're okay
ares is underrated but also still like.... proooobably the weakest core god in hades 2? I like his boons quite a bit, but I can't rly argue that he's in the upper half of gods in the game

[viral yew]

Having three different gimmicks on one god is never gonna work

[indigo crescent]

haa yeah I can see that

Is Zeus top tier ? IIRC in H1 he was top 2

[spark crown]

i messed heavenly splendor up apparently XD

[viral yew]

Ares is still my favourite cause he's fun, but yeah not very strong

[edgy nacelle]

zeus and hera are prob the overall best, yeah

[viral yew]

Zeus and hera are the two best

[indigo crescent]

okay

I see some people running aspect I dont even have available, are they offered later in the game ?

[edgy nacelle]

ok lol I was abt to say, it's not always useful but it's fun, and I feel like +8 elements is better than +1 level to something random

[viral yew]

Hidden aspects? Yes

[edgy nacelle]

h2 has the same system as h1 where each weapon has a hidden aspect you can unlock after investing in the other aspects enough
so 6 weapon types, 4 aspects each

[indigo crescent]

got it

I still have some issues getting used to how H2 works compared to H1

casts and O moves are still weird to me

[edgy nacelle]

oh also @spark crown you should experiment with back burner more 👀 iirc you put it really low right?
it's conditional, but it's a LOT of damage%, like more than an actual attack/special boon lol. I underrated it for ages but I really like it. especially on something like scorch morrigan where you aren't getting damage% from your attack, it's like getting double attack boons (and Ωatk makes backstab happen pretty often)

[spark crown]

dosnt work on morrigan irrc

[edgy nacelle]

omega moves you can ignore on some weapons (altho not all)
the cast is REALLY good tho. unlike hades 1 it's still super useful even with no boons on it, holding enemies in place + the furies arcana card are both quite strong

[viral yew]

Love back burner

[spark crown]

also all boons/blessings done hammers will come later https://imgur.com/UIKf3Zy

[edgy nacelle]

? I'm fairly sure it does, since I've taken it and had backstab pop up on my screen
ik some weapons (like nergal) have weird hitboxes where you can mess up the backstab, but idk why it wouldn't work on morrigan

[silent crow]

ares is low tier but the game is well balanced so he is not bad

high level players also have a big bias against him because of the vow of wards

[indigo crescent]

yeah, I have seen myself using the Hestia (?) boons to aim and throw a fireball too

[viral yew]

I mean i've seen him carry 62f runs

[indigo crescent]

on casts ^

[silent crow]

yes he is not bad

[edgy nacelle]

the artemis boon list is kinda funny
like. B tier easy shot is something you'll have a hard time selling most people on lol
what's the logic on it going above support fire, especially when you dislike charon?

lowkey I feel like I only ever touch easy shot on charon 🤷

[viral yew]

[silent crow]

B TIER EASY SHOT NO YO KILL THIS ONE

[viral yew]

LMFAO

[edgy nacelle]

B tier easy shot and D tier back burner
metal ily but also this is very funny

[indigo crescent]

is there any place I can find good synergies per weapon etc?

Hammers boons all the good stuff ?

I know Hades 1 had a website made for that

[silent crow]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide

[viral yew]

Check pinned comments, or ask us

[silent crow]

oh hey its pinned rofl

[spark crown]

T-T this feels like a insult

[edgy nacelle]

WAIT excuse me, S tier heinous affront, A tier grievous and profuse bleeding, but D tier for both wounds effects? how does that work
surely the fact that they enable boons you rate rly highly should count for something...

[edgy nacelle]

I mean it is me saying I blatantly and strongly disagree with you
but also in an affectionate way because it's what I've come to expect
and you're still one of my favorite server members and the person I most want to clear 60f, so

[indigo crescent]

sweet thank you guys

[spark crown]

wound bad = bonuses cuz of wound good

[spark crown]

les go one of the favs

[edgy nacelle]

I mean surely you knew that lol

[spark crown]

[edgy nacelle]

#halfrespect #feelingofwar

[silent crow]

why do you think wounds are this bad

[spark crown]

preferance i guess wound is my least favourite curse but i love the niche of ares boons

[frail locust]

I had probably the best run of my life in terms of luck

[silent crow]

oh is the list preference that makes sense

[edgy nacelle]

my least favorite curse is glow by an absurdly large margin.
is it strong? yeah sure, universal damage% is nice.
but it's SO boring T_T zero flavor, vent was at least fun even if it felt kinda bad

[spark crown]

its how strong i feel the boons are in my own hands

[silent crow]

you need new hands dude

[spark crown]

so my opinion

[edgy nacelle]

and then froth is the opposite for me, froth often doesn't do much and I almost never see it on a damage board, but I love the flavor so much I get excited tos ee it anyway lol

[opal pecan]

Preference is the only meaningful and honest criterion for a tier list ngl

[frail locust]

Aspect of Hel, Wave strike, Arterial Spray, Reckless Abandon with Sanguinary Favor

[edgy nacelle]

oooh nice
splash hel is quite good

[frail locust]

oh and bom

[silent crow]

Sanguinary Favor so true 100% boon rarity

[spark crown]

froth on hel and pan chefs kiss

[frail locust]

pom*

[edgy nacelle]

I just feel wounded after. 1 sec let me dig it up