h2-builds-and-combat

[opal pecan]

Base aspect is the best for this, but Nyx doesn't actually require a super high amount of magick usage

The main concern as Six said would be Shiva

[fiery kraken]

I've struggled with shiva - hard to have time to target with the controller setup

[opal pecan]

Yeah, like most of the hidden aspects it's a bit different from the rest

That being said, maybe you would like the Elephant Rockets hammer, which changes the special targeting on Shiva specifically

[fiery kraken]

is that the line target? yes I liked that

[digital juniper]

with shiva the gameplay cycle is using an omega special, going to stand inside it and start charging the omega attack

for most cases you don’t need more than 2 maybe 3 stacks of destructive

apollo attack is your friend

apollo special is also really good because it’s massive

[opal pecan]

I'm quite crap at it, haven't got the patience, but it's fun seeing people rack up ridiculous amounts of damage in a single hit lol

[digital juniper]

yeah i don’t like it either tbh

but a 9k crit is hilarious

[opal pecan]

Man, I love Mel coat, it's so comfy

[tall notch]

for underworld definitely artificer

[copper stag]

The huntress doesn’t affect omega moves correct?

[opal pecan]

Yop, anything that is singular Attack or singular Special means the normal one only

[cerulean panther]

I traded Rare Flame Flourish for Hera and then Hestia came back and said "You were just trying to cheese a Heroic rarity, right? Right?"

Yes, Aunt Bestia, I'd never give up your boon after you've refused to spawn Pyro Technique once, nope.

[opal pecan]

BTW @fiery kraken, is looking at examples is something you find helpful? There are VODs out there that maybe could give an idea of what it oughta look like in action

[fiery kraken]

yeah absolutely

[opal pecan]

Like I know DTB has an entire series of 62Fs for every aspect cos that's been linked before

Poked around on SR to see if there are any VODs for 32F and there's a Mel coat 32F Surface submission for that too, though it's from an older patch

[fiery kraken]

wow, 62 with every aspect?

[opal pecan]

Yeah the fear folks are pretty wild

[flint widget]

and regions yeah

did all aspects on both routes

[fiery kraken]

I do love how people doing these high fear runs use the whole kit

[flint widget]

well not the whole kit

[opal pecan]

Well, in some cases they must use less-- yeah

[flint widget]

they ain't really using everything

for example

[opal pecan]

Mainly stuff like, if the aspect gimmick is super magick dependent

[flint widget]

shivas dash strike

[opal pecan]

Okay tbf that aint a high Fear thing

That's just Shiva dash strike being Shiva dash strike

[they said, lamentingly]

[flint widget]

also omega casts

ive never really seen high fear players use omega casts often tbh

[opal pecan]

How much is often

[flint widget]

like rarely

[opal pecan]

(I asked bc ig my impression is that people use omega casts fairly rarely to begin with)

(but maybe this is because I watched too many of y'all's VODs lmfao)

[flint widget]

i never post vods lmao

[opal pecan]

Post VODs

[flint widget]

sorry i phrased it wrong

i never record

[opal pecan]

Fair enough

[fiery kraken]

well in this one on coat, they're using Ocast at the beginning of each room

[opal pecan]

That's a pretty good time to use it

[fiery kraken]

which is better than my plan of running around doing nothing

[opal pecan]

1. activates Huntress
2. stuff might be spawning anyway

[fiery kraken]

and sometimes between waves

[opal pecan]

Yeee

[fiery kraken]

I think they're also able to get the special off faster than I typically can. is it special cancel into dash strike?

[opal pecan]

On Mel coat? Special is already pretty fast

IDT I've seen anyone talking about canceling anything except on Shiva

[flint widget]

when i try to record its always full of resets and failures and then when i stop recording i lock in for the w

[fiery kraken]

what happens if you have blitz on attack and special? Does a later one override the earlier one?

or the other way around?

[opal pecan]

Blitz doesn't stack

[tall notch]

yeah I won't even attempt 62f when I'm not recording because I'd hate myself for losing the footage

[cerulean panther]

Blitz won't reapply until the internal cooldown from the current application expires, after which the next Blitz-applying hit will give its Blitz damage.

[opal pecan]

It's a fake gamer onhit effect 😔 smh my dang head 😔

[tall notch]

I guess you can go for both if you really like blitz and want to blitz all over the place

[opal pecan]

Man, I looked on Crossroads to see if there were VODs there (which there are btw) and now I'm cackling at how for UW, Vytautas' 62F is faster than all of the lower Fear submissions into the bargain. Talk about overkill 😆

[flint widget]

first pinned message huh

[opal pecan]

Nice

[median anvil]

epic, thank you 🙏

[cerulean panther]

If the Embryo gives you Chant, are you just stuck with it?

Does it not recognize it as a boon to reroll?

[median anvil]

i think it bugs out if you get an extra aether while it's on

[cerulean panther]

Dang.

Okay, thanks.

[hushed ginkgo]

Guys, im a complete been just started 20min ago, i die and now im stuck in a room, how to get back to the game

Newb*

[viral yew]

Like you're stuck in the crossroads?

[median anvil]

bottom right

[viral yew]

Also yes bottom right

[hushed ginkgo]

I see a pauldron in middle

[viral yew]

Go right and slightly down

[hushed ginkgo]

Thankyou got it

That was hidden lol

[viral yew]

Mk sure

[cerulean panther]

Artemis's Crit condition should have been an Omega Attack Power Shot.

[fiery kraken]

if you get chant from embryo, does it count towards the minor prophesy?

that's the only chaos boon I'm missing

[viral yew]

It does

[cyan meadow]

I ran a froth dagger build for the first time and it did SHOCKINGLY well. How the heck does it work?

Heroic Splashy attack, legendary froth, Hestia duo. Drop Smolder ring, spam attack, health disappears faster than most builds I've done.

The Poseidon boons got pommed a few times but the damage was still nutty

Edit: I guess my attack boon got pommed 9 times somehow lol.

[opal pecan]

When you say "Legendary Froth" do you mean King Tide

[copper stag]

How would I know which cast boons stack?

[opal pecan]

All of them except Sword and Tidal stack

Smoulder used to be bugged not to stack, but they fixed it in the last patch

[copper stag]

I’m fairly new so excuse me if this is a dumb question but what’s sword and tidal

[opal pecan]

Ares and Poseidon

[copper stag]

Oh ok

[opal pecan]

Ares is a sord guy and Poseidon is an ocean guy so the themeing is there 🫡

[copper stag]

lol

The reason I ask is cause I’ve had horrible luck creating an Charon build that was recommended here

[opal pecan]

Oh, Charon? I thought you'd be asking about Circe because of "stacking"

[copper stag]

Can’t get Poseidon on cast whatsoever and I thought it might be cause I’m selecting a cast boon before seeing his

[opal pecan]

Yeah, you're less likely to get offered a boon for a slot you already filled. Not impossible obviously, cos natural sac boons exist, but less likely.

So when you say "stack" you meant "have multiple boons"?

You can't have multiple boons for the same core slot

[copper stag]

So it’s better to not have a boon on cast until I get spout?

[opal pecan]

Geyser Spout isn't a core cast

All of the core cast boons are called something-something Ring

Are you talking about Poseidon's actual cast (Tidal Ring, per above) or about Geyser Spout specifically

Cos for the latter it doesn't matter, and if you were fishing for that it's just RNG

[copper stag]

Geyser spout

[opal pecan]

Okay, yeah, just bad luck

[copper stag]

Oh ok

[opal pecan]

To summarize:

• __ Ring core cast boons: cannot have multiple
• other boons that modify your cast: can have as many as you want

[copper stag]

Once I even got Apollos legendary with the hammer that lets the special fire twice , it was coming out 4 times lol

But no geyser spout

[opal pecan]

You don't actually need Geyser Spout to run Charon tbf

[copper stag]

Really?

Recommendations?

I’ve been just spamming Apollo boons to be honest

lol

[opal pecan]

I mean, it's good obviously, but as long as you have a strong one-big-damage core cast boon and a good gain boon, you've got the key ingredients, eh? I don't like Charon, but even I must concede it isn't as inflexible as "must get Geyser Spout" etc

[cyan meadow]

Turns out I actually meant Epic Slippery Slope. Not sure why Legendary slipped in there

[copper stag]

Why don’t you like Charon? Not your style? It’s between Charon and Thanatos for me

Love the axe

[opal pecan]

Makes perfect sense then, fast-hitting weapon with a bunch of highly upgraded on-hit effects ❤️‍🔥

[opal pecan]

Don't like slow weapons 🫡 Aint my bag

[copper stag]

Copy

[cyan meadow]

The only slow weapon I vibe with is Than axe, because it goes comparatively fast, esp with the attack speed hammer

[copper stag]

What aspect in your opinion melts bosses?

[opal pecan]

Any of them can with the appropriate build for it, I would imagine

[median anvil]

this is true

but the highest boss melting potential would be parray mel skull

[cyan meadow]

^ It's all about the boons. Art Daggers with Aphro attack, + Sweeping ambush + Exceptional Talent = Melt city. Same daggers with Demeter attack + Rapid Onslaught + other thing, not so much

[dreamy veldt]

Yes

[forest hinge]

Had a great Circe scorch ring run last night, but never got freezer burn duo, what it have been better? Idk what’s people’s take on FB is tbh

[opal pecan]

Better than what?

[spiral wadi]

freezer burn was stupid good in old meta where base scorch was not as good as it is now, in general scorch tends to perform well enough to no longer need fb

fb isn't really bad, just not as stand-out as it once was

in comparison to like pyro tech which is easier to get since it's a normal boon and also just insane

double smolder circe is also giga broken on its own lolol

[forest hinge]

Yeah I grabbed pyro tech, but scorch can only tick 100dmg/sec right? With upwards off 250dmg/sec with PT?

Idk if there was a better way to be using all my Scorch

[spiral wadi]

ye, 100 at base, and the way pyro tech works is multiplicative

[opal pecan]

Oh, if you already had PT, you don't really need anything else

[spiral wadi]

in a game where the majority of dmg increases are additive, pyro tech easily ramps into insanity

if only slippery slope was that good

https://tenor.com/view/cat-on-fire-sitting-edited-on-fire-fire-gif-17645117

[forest hinge]

What does it mean in this context for scorch/PT to be multiplicative?? Scorch is so weird lol

[spiral wadi]

freezer burn is still insane as long as ur able to regularly stack high amounts of scorch

[forest hinge]

I was regularly ramming the 999 cap on bosses

[spiral wadi]

so at base scorch is like 100 dps, consuming 100 scorch into 100 dmg, let's add origination so it's 100 scorch into 150 dmg
with pyro tech ur now directly changing the scorch consumption, so common lv2 (+100%) means ur now consuming 200 scorch per second, with orig that becomes 300 dmg

obv the tradeoff is u need to stack scorch more or else pt doesn't do anything

but smolder circe kinda just ignores that problem

[forest hinge]

Wait omg I didn’t know scorch gained global dmg buffs, I thought the dmg it dealt was kinda its own thing, I didn’t realize that it was ACTUAL dmg like attacks and stuff omg

[spiral wadi]

ye

[forest hinge]

I can’t tell if I enjoy Storm Ring or smolder ring more now lol

[opal pecan]

The one caveat wrt damage buffs is that Scorch can't crit

[spiral wadi]

storm ring prob just better in general but smolder is funnier for room clear

[viral yew]

I always prefered storm ring on circe it's how I did my 62 with it

[spiral wadi]

storm ring was buffed a couple patches after circe was reworked into the weapon it is now which kinda indirectly made storm ring one of the best circe options

[viral yew]

Ok it was storm ring and lvl 20 heroic blitz special

[forest hinge]

Storm Ring feels like it has way more dmg potential with Doubke Strike, Glorious Disaster, Pos duo, Dem duo, and the ability to crit

[opal pecan]

Storm Ring doesn't activate Dem/Zeus duo

[spiral wadi]

unfortunately glorious disaster is ass

[viral yew]

And it goes well with gales and air quality

[spiral wadi]

like it's not necessarily bad it's just deadass overkill when u can just tap cast once and storm ring already does insane dps on its own

also being its own separate charge sucks

[viral yew]

Pull storm ring in erebus and you know the run is over

[spiral wadi]

zeus still has cracked dps duos so it's fine overall

[forest hinge]

I think a rare storm ring with Death/Furies/Origin is +100% global dmg which brings it to like 70ish dmg per bolt, which makes AQ not needed, at least that’s what I run most times

[dreamy veldt]

Buff storm ring to hit multiple enemies at once

[spiral wadi]

glorious disaster should make ur storm ring stun dazed enemies trust

[dreamy veldt]

Exactly

[spiral wadi]

finally auto seekers can no longer ignore hitstun for no reason

[forest hinge]

Does it really only only hit one at a time?? It’s hard to keep track for me

[opal pecan]

Yes, only one at a time, although on Circe I guess you are hitting a grand total of two at a time

But the strike rate is fairly quick

Zip zap zop but it hurts 😏

[forest hinge]

I go back and forth on AQ so often, but for a GloryDisaster build I could make myself believe again 🙏

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah it's just one but I kid about needing a buff cause it's very fast

[hushed moat]

any builds like and oros

lim

[viral yew]

Trick knives

[oblique hazel]

playing mel axe and miniboss just offered me this. nova strike is completely open and available
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695435127584587786/1450678894792540160/apollo.PNG?ex=69436980&is=69421800&hm=dc2073067d0e8152ab22413f12613ea608cee6786ed07cd2cacbfb3d8b6289b6&

[hollow briar]

So true

[broken spoke]

Fate has other plan

[hollow briar]

A fun one I like to do (usually best served at <55F) is Artemis with Ares on the Spesh

Just focusing on that and getting good Parries makes ‘em go nuclear a lot of the time

Reaper Knives helps a lot with this too since the Power and larger hitbox makes it that much more potent

[spark crown]

Trick knives that's it's the whole build

[rare grove]

For knives, what’s your go to plan B if you don’t get trick knives? My mid build became amazing just now with an Olympus trick knives but I also know I was probably boned if I didn’t get it

[spark crown]

i play mainly morrigan so i could be wrong but i think its blitz/freeze/hitch special with a %attack

[cerulean panther]

I think this entire seed disabled Poseidon's Attack from spawning.

[spark crown]

what knife aspect are you on?

[viral yew]

https://imgur.com/a/iHVt2EC
@spark crown

[spark crown]

PEAK

[viral yew]

It was such a good run

[spark crown]

supernova hera cast goes hard

[viral yew]

Yeah super underrated

[spiral wadi]

morrigan go brrr

[flint widget]

officially reached 500 hours on hades 2 yay

[tall notch]

Yay

[spark crown]

im at 450hrs getting up there

40% of that was on the early access (my ea save got deleted T_T)

[viral yew]

😭

[spark crown]

i should say 1 of my ea saves i had 2

i lost my one with like 200 night T_T got left with the 50-100 night one

[flint widget]

goddamn why am i so ass

[spark crown]

cant be worse than me and my 100 somthing loss streak :)

[flint widget]

got to chronos two times already with antler and strength on with hel 62f and i still haven't beaten him yet

[spark crown]

(good things thats over)

[oblique hazel]

lowkey embarrassing im ngl hope you fix your skill issue asap

the game keeps getting mad at me for only using 29 grasp and its so annoying id use 30 if wayward son wasnt actively harmful on max scars stop pestering me

[digital juniper]

how’s wayward actively harmful with max scars? do you mean the ghost onion interaction?

[oblique hazel]

yeah just that afaik

[digital juniper]

just don’t get hit so you don’t take onion

[oblique hazel]

[digital juniper]

wait doesn’t wayward make the forfeit onion give you 5hp instead of 1 for some reason?

so it kinda makes up for it

[spark crown]

wayward has a weird interaction with ghost onion?

[digital juniper]

yeah, if you have it on with max scars the game assumes you still get the heal from it so ghost onion only takes you to max HP-5

[spark crown]

T_T

[oblique hazel]

well on max scars the forfeit onion gives you 0 hp lol

[digital juniper]

wait i thought it does give you 1 and wayward for some reason makes it 5?

[oblique hazel]

it says it gives you hp but it doesnt in practice unless im misremembering

[spark crown]

i may or may not be cookedhttps://imgur.com/mueOHsW

I TABBED BACK IN AND LOST SUPERNOVA NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[viral yew]

Ouch

[spark crown]

im getting better at using casts aswell T_T

might be time for 44f

(my normal 32f + rivals)

gotta do a rivals training arc

or not as im just not feeling it (gods dammned burnout)

[upbeat matrix]

it says 60f on ur prof have u done 60f

[spark crown]

look at the ticks

i started at 15 moved to 32 and am working on 60

[upbeat matrix]

oh i didnt notice, mb

[spark crown]

allg allg

MY GPU IS SITTING AT 43C T_T

[upbeat matrix]

as a laptop gamer my CPU is at 92 always

[spark crown]

blasted aussie heat T_T

[spark crown]

Tell me your talking Fahrenheit T_T

[upbeat matrix]

celsius :3

[spark crown]

by the maker T_T

[upbeat matrix]

thats laptop gaming tbh

[unreal rose]

You're doing 32f without rivals ?

I'm curious of your vow setup

[viral yew]

Do not go there

[unreal rose]

Lol

I mean so far from my tests I find Rivals to be one of the easiest fear upgrade

Obviously you will fail at some point because of it but it will simply mean your build was too mid

[flint widget]

trying to do 62f all weapons w strength and antler in final region, already done with staff and blades, what aspects should i do with the other weps

[unreal rose]

Nergal

[flint widget]

nah

[oblique hazel]

im biased but eos is very safe and with the 15% crit from night youre critting with whantler almost as much as with cheirloom on alot of your damage

[flint widget]

but taking night would disable divinity so nah

plus im running raki

so built in crit

[spark crown]

:)

YOU WANNA KNOW ABOUT MY SETUP

[oblique hazel]

even more... the 48% crit with base whantler...

[oblique hazel]

you can just do this for divinity
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzUiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjOSIsImMxMCIsImMxMSIsImMxMyIsImMxNCIsImMxNSIsImMxOCIsImMyMyIsImMyNCJd

unseen is so valuable on eos its crazy

[spark crown]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMywzLDIsNSwxLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDAsMF0=

:)

[flint widget]

ok that's valid

[spark crown]

(no bait this is genuinely my setup)

[flint widget]

so it's either eos or moros

ive already tested out moros before and the dmg is insane holy

[viral yew]

I hate you

[spark crown]

i know :)

[flint widget]

phased hec with no atk or special boon whatsoever

[spark crown]

3 wins on that setup so far

[oblique hazel]

this is so normal except for the hordes and the lack of denial. how do you have hordes 3 and timer 3 on at the same time with 32 fear

[flint widget]

ngl this could work

just disable return and get denial in

bros pushing fear right

hordes is basically one of the pains in the ass in high fear

learning how to get used to that

is actually kinda helpful

[viral yew]

He's insane in a smart way

[oblique hazel]

hes running hordes 3 for an amazing reason

[flint widget]

hes two steps ahead of us

[oblique hazel]

it does kinda make wards and grit like 60% worse when you do eventually turn them on

[viral yew]

Hordes 3 is not even that bad on the 32

[oblique hazel]

it scared me because i only turned hordes on after everything else so it was a massive change

hordes is kind of a fear multiplier if you think abt it

[broken spoke]

Most sane fear setup from metal

[viral yew]

At least he's no longer in his void phase

[flint widget]

so after further deliberation i think im gonna do eos/moros, thanatos/charon, medea/hel, and nyx for my aspects

[spark crown]

im running hoards 3 cuz i hate monster stat increases (except frenzy)

[oblique hazel]

hordes is a monster stat increase, it increases enemies' social standing by 60% causing them to have more friends

[spark crown]

my bad forgot about the secret substat social standing

[flint widget]

ur not wrong

[fiery kraken]

appreciate y'alls help, managed 40 fear uw with coat last night

just want knives at 40 then we set a new goal

maybe 32 all aspects uw ow

maybe 50 fear

[digital juniper]

for 50 you either want to turn on rivals 4 or start taking the harder vows

[fiery kraken]

both right?

40 I was definitely starting to feel the pain

[digital juniper]

honestly with a few runs in, the vows at 40 become rather easy

it’s only when you get into pain/grit/hordes/scars that it gets bad

[fiery kraken]

I kind of agree. after doing 40 with 5/6 weapons, I feel like it's a tick easier than 32 heat, which was my measuring stick of "really tough but doable" for hades 1

when do you take forfeit?

[digital juniper]

i wouldn’t disagree with that

[digital juniper]

i would start taking forfeit at 50

my 50f setup was your 40f setup but with rivals 4, forfeit, and 1 pain 2 scars

[fiery kraken]

what if you're playing a slower aspect that can't deal with wards?

[digital juniper]

the jump from 50->55 is harder than from 32 to 50, because at this point you have to factor in the big 4 vows (pain hordes grit scars)

[digital juniper]

while some aspects do hate wards, i don’t think it’s worth turning it off and having to up one of the 4 aforementioned vows

[fiery kraken]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzEsMCwyLDYsMCwzLDIsNSwyLDIsMiwzLDYsMCwyLDIsMTJd

this is what we're looking at, right?

[digital juniper]

yep, this was my exact 50f setup

i would say that rivals chronos is hard and a feasible path is to work up to 58f (everything but rivals 4 and void) but i’ve had rivals 4 on since 40f because while the fight is hard, it’s very fun

so it’s up to you and your personal goals on if you wanna push past 50, or you just wanna get the clear done

if you just want the 50 clear done, it might be easier to stay at rivals 3 and do something like 2 pain and 1 hordes 1 grit instead of it

[fiery kraken]

makes sense

[digital juniper]

if you find the bosses rather easy, 2 grit might be easier than 1 hordes 1 grit

[fiery kraken]

bosses are generally the place where I have the most trouble

[digital juniper]

yeah then 2 grit would make your life a decent bit harder

especially sirens

[fiery kraken]

sounds good. shifting the topic slightly, I want to get a 40 fear done with daggers first, any suggestions on an aspect?

my 32 was with morrigan but it felt kind of flukey, but I haven't really figured out the other ones. My favorite aspects all involve peppering from afar (or big damage numbers with axe), so knives are not as natural

[flint widget]

lost eos 62f (strength w antler) in tart cuz i got ass fangs rng

last room had like a bajillion goldbags

along with two armored wretched thugs

one of them had the shadow perk

[digital juniper]

it’s probably just morrigan, maybe mel blades and you spam the normal special

[flint widget]

imagine how that went

[digital juniper]

or you use pan and luck into trick knives

[flint widget]

or hidden knives

pan w hidden knives is actually good ngl

[fiery kraken]

which one is shadow perk?

[flint widget]

makes actually using the aspect viable

[fiery kraken]

I still don't really know what the perks are

[flint widget]

the fangs perk which is basically the shadow spiller

[fiery kraken]

is the shadow spiller the cloud of darkness that you have to dive in blind?

or is it poops out slow zones

[digital juniper]

precisely that

[opal pecan]

Why does Possessed Array melt Cerb faster than it melts other bosses? Just that doggo is the least mobile?

[cerulean panther]

I didn't pick up any additional Aethers and Chant didn't flinch. Hm, that feels bugged.

[digital juniper]

least mobile and massive hitbox, so pretty much all your skull detonations will hit, while with other bosses some might miss

either that or confirmation bias

[digital juniper]

wdym didn’t flinch?

[cerulean panther]

I got it from the Transcendant Embryo but when the timer expired it didn't change.

[digital juniper]

the embryo can give you the same blessing twice in a row

[cerulean panther]

Didn't even get the roll that sometimes happens back into itself.

[digital juniper]

ah then i have no clue

[cerulean panther]

When the same blessing comes through twice in a row text pops up saying so.

Do we still F10?

[opal pecan]

ye

[cerulean panther]

The run's over at this point.

[digital juniper]

never hurts to

[cerulean panther]

Will do it next time I see it.

[digital juniper]

you still can F10, it’ll send the run’s data even after it’s done

[opal pecan]

Apparently some stuff from your most recent run is preserved in your savefile

I was poking around on the Crossroads website the other day and landed on the savefile thingy, which surprised me with how much STUFF is in there even when you're in the literal in-game Crossroads haha

[cerulean panther]

Cut Above doesn't interact with Possessed Array, does it?

[digital juniper]

it does

[opal pecan]

Anything that's like "hit" should work, I think?

[digital juniper]

yep

anything that activates off an omega attack works, as Escalier said

it’s the things that work by spending magick that are wonky

because PA “loses” magick but not use it

[opal pecan]

Actually I was erroneously thinking about Momus nonsense by even trying to make the distinction I tried to make, I just remembered that Fine Lines works with PA too iirc, which is -- assuming I didn't misremember -- wild

[digital juniper]

yeah FL is a significant damage boost to any PA build

weed killer too

[flint widget]

OH MY GOD

OH MY GOD

SUB 14 62F

[opal pecan]

Well, dish!

[flint widget]

vas

[opal pecan]

dish (v.):
(informal, slang) To gossip; to relay information about the personal situation of another.

Or errrrr in this case, about the sub 14 62F

[cerulean panther]

Zag's spins are so busted, what the hell?

"You're a tougher fight than Father. Don't tell him I said that."

"Now let me spam his most broken move."

[dreamy veldt]

I was playing 1 the other day and the Theseus fight reminded me of Zag too

[analog quail]

is than axe still considered significantly better than mel axe?

[viral yew]

Mel axe cleared 67 before than axe

[analog quail]

oh interesting

what about pure damage output? i thought than had the advantage there

[viral yew]

Depends on the build

Mel has higher base power

[fiery kraken]

has 67 been cleared on all aspects ?

[viral yew]

Absolutely not it's been done on 4 or 5

[fiery kraken]

65?

[digital juniper]

some aspects still don’t have it but it’s more of the 65 players not wanting to play it compared to it not being possible

it’s basically guaranteed that every aspect can beat 67, it’s now on players who want to play all those aspects at 65/67

[viral yew]

Someone has to take one for the team and play selene

Probably gonna be vy

[digital juniper]

be the change you want to see in the world

[viral yew]

Not happening

[opal pecan]

I feel like aspectless Selene would feel chiller than aspectless Shiva, just because of not needing to dashstrike cancel

Too many uses of the word "feel" in a single sentence, I guess I just have a lot of feelings

[digital juniper]

thing is shiva basekit is actually decent, so even though you have to dashstrike cancel, you still have a solid basekit (or attack combo basically, shiva special is ass)

[viral yew]

Yeah shiva attack is way better

I like the specials only cause they go in a straight line

Regular coat specials are about as straight and accurate as I am

[digital juniper]

are you on kbm or controller?

[fiery kraken]

why is it guarenteed that every aspect can beat 67?

[viral yew]

Controller

[viral yew]

Because each aspect can do damage

[digital juniper]

makes sense, aiming coat special on kbm isn’t that bad

[tall notch]

coat special on controller has its charm

[viral yew]

Coat is still my favourite wep

[digital juniper]

thanks to Jpom really, it’s a significant boost to power that you can make pretty much every aspect work

[tall notch]

(shiva moveset is a mistake tho)

wdym the dash strike is so bad you have to cancel it

[viral yew]

How dare you insult by baby

You kinda right tho 😭

[digital juniper]

shiva moveset is a mistake tho

FTFY

[tall notch]

it's an aspect only a mother could love

[viral yew]

Are you saying i'm pregnant?

[tall notch]

are you about to bring out the pregnant emojis?

[viral yew]

....
No

[fiery kraken]

I wonder if there will be a jpom-less leaderboard

[bronze flax]

Knuckle Bones did like almost 40% of damage to Heracles after Hitch and Hereditary Bane, oh wow

[bronze flax]

I... Should not have chosen Experimental Hammer with Medea. Thanks for the Wide Grin, Icarus, I hate it

[fiery kraken]

if something modifies your attack, does it also increase your dash strike and/or omega attack?

[digital juniper]

depends on what it is

[fiery kraken]

• power to attack or + speed

[digital juniper]

the indicator is in the description of the thing, if it says attack, it’s just normal attack, if it says attackS, it’s both normal and omega attack

i think anything that applies to attack applies to dash strike too

[opal pecan]

Wasn't there something that was an exception to this... one of the armor hammers maybe?

[digital juniper]

that would be a bug if so

the only exception i knew of was medea’s aspect bonu, which was fixed in patch 1

[opal pecan]

More likely I misremembered someone's explanation of it

[fiery kraken]

so the hermes boon that modifies attack speed won't modify the omega attack?

what about "weapon"? does that include omega?

[hollow briar]

(Supay…)

[viral yew]

Go talk to checkmate

[hollow briar]

I guess you already have to get kinda lucky at 67 anyway, so getting it off the ground isn’t much more of a hassle than usual

I might actually try Mel Coat 67 soonish after all 62s tho, come to think

[ocean dust]

The what?

[upbeat matrix]

Chant gives power to omega attack for aether (it's the element for duos)

[sand crow]

K so I finally got Jpom LOL. How does one not build around rerolls?

Once I got it three times in one run LOL

Lemme see if I can find the screenshot

It was in EA

[upbeat matrix]

The arcana cards + levels + hades boons are usually strong enough and you go time piece act2 for money

[viral yew]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiLCJjMjMiXQ==

[upbeat matrix]

Calling card is great if you feel like a specific boon in later acts will help if rarified

[sand crow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/849525788005236766/1249947223144398898/image.png?ex=69442f50&is=6942ddd0&hm=268c774a8ac9c296c05bf03462cac23952db8e00e0b44567067618bd9450e03d&

[sand crow]

Ahhhh

And Fates Whim stays active throughout the run right

[opal pecan]

Yes, as long as you don't break it by breaking the conditions

[upbeat matrix]

As long as u don't take olympian keepsakes that give boons like athena

[opal pecan]

It's not god keepsakes, it's very specifically "Olympian summoning" keepsakes

[upbeat matrix]

Ni yea ur right, it's only Olympian, mb

[opal pecan]

Dionysus, for instance, is an Olympian, but his keepsake doesn't summon him, so his is fine; Selene could be construed as a god and is summoned by hers, but isn't an Olympian

[upbeat matrix]

Guess it's specific to olympian keepsakes that give boons then

[opal pecan]

It's specific to the exact wording used in the game for Fates' Whim (Olympian summoning keepsakes)

[neat pier]

Does one need The Queen to spawn duo boons?

[viral yew]

No

Don't use it

[neat pier]

Aite, thanks

[sand crow]

I hadn't thought of athena and didn't read your message sadge

[zealous crag]

Is is just me, or is hestia not actually that good on fast attack/special weapons/aspects? I just did a run using the hidden aspect of the skull, which attacks pretty fast, and I'd pretty frequently get to max scorch on a boss, only for not much to actually happen. I guess it works okay for hit and run tactics, but even then, it doesn't feel amazing.

[sand crow]

It can be on specific builds

Building around the Hestia Dem duo can be VERY rewarding on fast hitting builds

[zealous crag]

It makes me wish there was a boon like in H1 where you'd exhange all the stacked scorch for a burst of damage, and then start again from 0.

[cerulean panther]

That's the Demeter Duo boon.

[sand crow]

That's the Hestia Dem duo LOL

[broken spoke]

There is

[cerulean panther]

There's also Pyro Technique.

[zealous crag]

Oh, it's a duo. I guess that makes it possible, but also less accessible.

[broken spoke]

Or just hope pyro technique, a normal boon from hestia show up

[opal pecan]

Pyro Technique is the usual one to fish for, yes.

[sand crow]

Agreed on Pyro Technique

Also tip on building around Hestia Dem, get the total eclipse godsent hex if possible

[silent crow]

i mean that boon was terrible in hades 1

[sand crow]

Unless it changed at 1.0, you can go above the 999 limit and get ridiculously high procs

[zealous crag]

Oh, double damage from scorch? That is a lot. Maybe if I'm running hestia on hidden skull attack, I should run demeter on special.

[zealous crag]

It seems like you can't go above 999 anymore. I just did a run and it didn't seem possible.

[silent crow]

specifically with the godsent hex you can

[zealous crag]

Oh, I didn't realize.

[sand crow]

Only with the godsent hex yeha

[sand crow]

That could work really well actually

Also I'm pretty sure that the freezer burn damage can crit unlike scorch

[silent crow]

it cannot

[opal pecan]

There's gotta be some old family drama about why on earth Artemis hates Hestia so much 😔

why got no crit ah

[cerulean panther]

Artemis doesn't hate Hestia, Zeus was envious that they were outdamaging Blitz so he abused his position as King of the Gods to make it so Scorch couldn't crit.

[opal pecan]

Zeus does it again smh what a jerk

[bronze flax]

Vow of Forfeit is a menace, geez... But I have to admit the idea is funny

Yes, I want to fight against hordes of enemies to get an onion. Thanks, game, pretty cool

[digital juniper]

actually vow of menace is a menace

[bronze flax]

Secretly, Vow of Forfeit is called on the code VowOfMenace2OnionyBoogaloo, trust

[opal pecan]

Onion? Gold!

[spiral wadi]

if u have a chronos charge there should be a special chronos defeat where grandpa chronos lets u use the chrolex charge to turn fight chronos into gold after victory

[bronze flax]

"Myself? Gold! ... Granddaughter, I feel conflicted "

[viral yew]

Chrolex should let u turn boss items into gold

[cyan meadow]

Does Aohro Apollo duo double Darkside Heart throbs?

I wanna try Art Dagger Exceptional Talent spend 100 mana at once ambush then datk side cycle lol

[zealous crag]

Can anyone explain which of the Fates Whim keepsakes continue to grant their benefit after being replaced?

[broken spoke]

All

[bronze flax]

All of them as long as you don't replace them with a God keepsake that provides/rarifies boons (that includes Athena one but not Dio/Artemis)

[zealous crag]

Cool. Thanks!

[spiral wadi]

technically yes but the heartthrob cap makes it inconsequential

maybe if they raised heartthrob cap it'd be more noticeable but otherwise nah

i also find the cap dumb cuz there's already a heartthrob lifetime but eh

[opal pecan]

What was the cap again? Six or something?

[spiral wadi]

ye basically

[median anvil]

six yeah

[flint widget]

@digital juniper

[opal pecan]

Well, I guess that'll be a handy dandy spick-'n'-spandy way to remember it in future lol

No more numerical aliases allowed in the server or it'll get confusing

[median anvil]

sunny is still crazy good

[zealous crag]

Anyone know if there are ways to increase the hidden aspect knives' ritual damage? It didn't seem affected by Furies, Origination, or Mutual Destruction.

[median anvil]

yep, only way to increase it is hephaestus legendary boon and one of the morrigan exclusive hammers

it also can't crit or double damage from ares

[zealous crag]

That's sad.

[viral yew]

Tfym that's sad it does 777 damage

[zealous crag]

Yeah, but it's hard to scale that up as enemy HP increases.

Don't get me wrong, it's great in the first couple zones. But once that stops 1-shotting enemies, it becomes much less safe.

[viral yew]

💀

777 damage is a great amount of damage regardless

Everything scales with it

[surreal hazel]

early game you'll kill enemies with the three parts of the triad before the 777 damage even applies

unless you have wards on I guess

(which morrigan is pretty good against)

[median anvil]

you can combo it back to back pretty easily

if a single appliance doesn't kill the enemies, the second one will do

[spark crown]

As a morrigan main there's never been a time 777 damage isn't enough

[median anvil]

wards are two hits, you need three hits to proc it, wards does nothing against triad

[spark crown]

Unless it's a room of wards generating fangs enemy's (also known as diet hell)

[surreal hazel]

That's my point

I'm saying the triad is unnecessarily powerful unless you have wards on

[median anvil]

ah i see

[spark crown]

Wards vow dosnt effect morrigan at all because basic attack hits 3 times

[median anvil]

yeah that's what they were saying

[spark crown]

No I mean 1 attack on morrigan hits 3 times then you do the special and oaatck

[surreal hazel]

yeah the fact you can tap attack and strip wards as well is pretty decent, yeah

[spark crown]

Dosnt change my distain for the for the vow but yeah

[surreal hazel]

3x11, 3x33 is the attack combo

they really like their repeating numbers

I can't remember what dash strike is, but it's only one hit

[spark crown]

I think dash strike still hits for 11

[surreal hazel]

that feels too little

go slice skelly when you get a moment

dash strike on the blades is normally 45, which is strangely high

[spark crown]

Games still booting but will when I'm in

[surreal hazel]

The rest of the combo is, 25, 25, 15x5, 90 and I'm only just finding a post that proves I wasn't going mad when I remember it being 20, 20, 10x5, 80 because it was buffed for 1.0

[median anvil]

yeah blade damage was kinda terrible before 1.0

it was either trick knives or going big on oattack

[surreal hazel]

+5 power on the drill strike is pretty huge

[median anvil]

they also increased the range of the first two strikes

which makes them even bigger with apollo attack

[surreal hazel]

+40% size on daggers for that, yeah

funny irrelevant thing, look at her animations and look at which weapon she uses for each strike

she's scarcely ever uses the sickle

[spark crown]

Morrigan dash strike is 40

[surreal hazel]

that seems more like it

less than the other blades, but it's bigger

[median anvil]

it also skips to the second hit of the combo

[surreal hazel]

Final slice users rejoice

[spark crown]

Indeed 👍

[surreal hazel]

kinda nutty that that one upgrade didn't get a replacement

morrigan gets final slice but where's my Wicked Thrasher on Anubis?

[median anvil]

where's my shimmering rockets on shiva

[surreal hazel]

(Yes, I know it would be busted beyond the realms of polite society, but still)

[surreal hazel]

How would that even...

[spark crown]

rapid hack on nergal makes it feel so good

[surreal hazel]

makes the bouncing ball go wherever it wants just to make getting Destructive even more annoying?

[median anvil]

i also want possessed array on hel

[median anvil]

it's only annoying if you're actually playing the aspect

[surreal hazel]

That would need a re-write to actually work

[broken spoke]

Yea it gonna work so well when hel collecting its skull

[spark crown]

being boonless in erebus is very sad T_T

[surreal hazel]

Hel is basically Exagryph wearing a funny hat

[spark crown]

artemis is about to be my first boon

[spark crown]

exagryph with the burst fire hammer

[surreal hazel]

yeah, it literally is that

they just lifted over the code

[median anvil]

lol fr? that's funny

[surreal hazel]

why do you think it has Gamr Gaze as an upgrade and that's literally Ricochet Fire?

they had to write a separate function to handle charging the omega attack since the standard one doesn't play nicely with it

[median anvil]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1051942150025269309/1450774149873143931/Antler.mp4?ex=694513b7&is=6943c237&hm=4da7089f83ed1b2e9a2b386ae69756f69fca21c9333e84aa496eb2e92fa7bf25&
look at this and tell me possessed array wouldn't go hard on hel

[broken spoke]

Ah yes hel has a omega atk i forgot about that

[surreal hazel]

I dunno why they did that because Hel's Omega attack is very much "This exists only for legal reasons"

[median anvil]

it's definitely one of the omega moves in the game

[digital juniper]

you could debate it doesn’t even exist

[spark crown]

up there with omega special on morrigan

[surreal hazel]

if it carried on charging when you dashed while holding attack like the torches do then it'd be okay

[digital juniper]

i think those who say Hel has an omega attack are simply imagining it

[median anvil]

I'm ashamed to say i used it a bunch in erebus before my build was online 🥀💔

[surreal hazel]

No, that's far more useful, Also kinda rad with Hidden Knives

[digital juniper]

wouldn’t you literally be better off with special spamming with normal attacks in between?

[median anvil]

if special is already out seeking the small spinner thingies and you have a lurker in front of you, may as well hit it for big damage

[digital juniper]

omega special is goated on morrigan because it pairs with the goated hammer that is sinister pinion🔥🔥🔥

[surreal hazel]

The special is better than o special if not for Valkyrie, fight me

[spark crown]

artemis got me killed tbh

took so much damage in her room before a forced miniboss T_T

[surreal hazel]

Sworn or Heaven Flourish on Hel is just "tap Special to curse everyone"

[digital juniper]

arc flash is also very funny there

[surreal hazel]

prostrats, try to make a servicable Hel build with Helheim Charge as the basis

[spark crown]

faster bounce hammer on hel goes hard

[surreal hazel]

it does, but the one I mentioned is the triple omega attack hammer

[spark crown]

oh XD i always get the names messed up

[surreal hazel]

it's funny, as power multipliers go, giving your omega attack triple the number of hits would be broken as hell on literally anything else

but it's a complete dud on Hel

ooo, use it with Exceptional Talent, because... yes

[digital juniper]

triple hits in shiva omega attack

[spark crown]

Big wailers are evil work

[digital juniper]

now imagine those, but Speedy too

or the succ perk

[surreal hazel]

wailers are the tutorial for using your cast

[surreal hazel]

Would be potentially Rad as hell if it worked properly

[broken spoke]

Succing big wailer are big middle finger

[surreal hazel]

I remember the bug they had with ET on shiva

double punch? Yeah the second one acted like you charged 1 mana into it

[hollow briar]

Good god LOL

[spark crown]

worse double damage big wailers

[digital juniper]

ET just had a ton of bugs huh

[surreal hazel]

it's easily the most complicated boon in the game because every weapon's function needs to be coded to work with it

Nova strike and flourish do too, but at least that's just size increases

[digital juniper]

wdym it’s not just omega==1 becomes omega==2??? (obvious /s)

[surreal hazel]

lel

at least they fixed whirlwind to actually strike twice as fast rather than just last twice as long

ET is still terrible with Momus though

[digital juniper]

i swear it still has some weird visual behavior if you also have psychic

[surreal hazel]

probably the slash effects overlapping since they're still individually playing at the same speed

just spawning twice as fast

[digital juniper]

that would make sense

[surreal hazel]

Also they just gave up with torch Ospecial and ET

doesn't do anything, not even the increased cost

[broken spoke]

Imagine if it spawn 2x orb

[digital juniper]

don’t even start about the history of Eos’ day breaker with ET lmao

[surreal hazel]

that was.... lulzy

[surreal hazel]

Why can't it? They already can spawn an extra orb with hidden helix

just... +2 orbs, there, done

it used to work that way

[digital juniper]

because sgg moment

[surreal hazel]

also back when oSpecials didn't delete the previous, and mel torches were +2 seconds of omega special time

Forget bringing the moon to fight chronos, you could bring the entire solar system

[surreal hazel]

Oh yeah and uncapped heartthrobs

That had no expiry time

You could bring the asteroid belt too

[spark crown]

the old days were peak

[lean iron]

When should I realistically be running jpom w/charon axe? Im at 50 fear rn w/ harmonic photon and im not sure if atp I should be switching

[viral yew]

Do it now

[lean iron]

I keep getting stuck at eris, on decent runs I can get up to eris with 2~ death defiances but I cant do enough damage before dying, and even when I push further I wipe on prometheus

[viral yew]

Apollo isn't a necessity, you can make it work

[lean iron]

okay hm

[viral yew]

Or you can reroll if you don't get him in ephrya

[lean iron]

I have no idea how jpom plays tbh I havent unlocked it yet even 😭

[viral yew]

Get it

[lean iron]

are there broadly any boons I should be rerolling for besides lucid or flood gain

I'd guess geyser spout but idk

[digital juniper]

geyser is THE boon to chase with charon yeah

then you ideally want as many ocast boons as possible

meat grinder, prominence flare, local climate

omega buffing ones are nice like fine line or cut above

not all of them are necessary, but good to have

[lean iron]

Okay tyy

One more thing is there any like keepsake order that’s really important? I’m thinking of going like jpom pin pin amulet or smth

[zealous crag]

Apparently, the omega attack actually counts for Night arcana, even if you hit multiple attacks in the meantime.

[flint widget]

pin not in last region is crazy

[zealous crag]

Something to mention as well: prominence flare does not prevent placing another cast, despite what the wiki says. I really wish the wiki was updated. Or we had a non-fandom wiki to use.

[median anvil]

yeah prominence flare used to just kill the aspect and you'd have to play a worse mel axe

[surreal hazel]

well yeah, that's how Night works?

Night never cared about anything non-omega you do

[digital juniper]

i’m so used to the wiki not being reliable i had no clue that prom flare it used to do that

but yeah, now it’s one of the better boons you can pickup for the aspect

[surreal hazel]

Prom flare is a weirdly vestigal boon

it was how Solar Ring used to work, it had a much more garish visual effect, used to actually scale properly with supernova (!), and yeah, locked out your cast until it was done

when they reworked all Ring boons to function the same on normal and Ocast, they had to shuffle off prominence flare into its own tier 2 boon

and they had to keep it so that Glorious Disaster still worked

(Since the extra lightning strikes are literally procced from prom flare damage ticks)

Honestly though. it's had such a maligned history that I feel it gets overlooked a lot, and actually it deals a LOT of damage

[digital juniper]

it does work with super nova, just not visually

[surreal hazel]

Oh is that it? Hrm

[digital juniper]

yeah you can see enemies getting damaged by it even though the rings are the non-super nova size

actually wait, the only case which i can confirm it works with is on charon

i’m unsure of it works with a normal ocast

[surreal hazel]

charon and supernova is already a little weird, no?

[digital juniper]

it has gotten to a consistent state with patch 1

but that’s why i had to specify, im unsure about the normal supernova prom flare interaction outside of charon

[surreal hazel]

it's probably not different, but definitely worth testing

the visual effect is already a bit ambigious so needs a very big supernova to properly test

[fiery kraken]

trying morrigan at 40 fear. wards 2 vs. scars 2 ? And should I be thinking % on attack because I'm frequently using Oattack to proc triad?

[flint widget]

scars 2 is free

[fiery kraken]

I tried wards but it felt really really rough, but scars 2 I die pretty quickly due to lack of healing

[flint widget]

i see

[fiery kraken]

with wards 2, the Oattack's secondary splash went to clearing wards, so I wasn't getting the incidental crowd clear

[fiery kraken]

maybe it's a "get good" time and just learn scars (or get super lucky with DD refuel)

[hollow briar]

Wards just sucks in general for me, so I’d go Scars for sure

Plus it gets you used to taking less damage (ideally) instead of just outright having a worse time in clearing regular encounters

[fiery kraken]

watching a video on morrigan and the author says aphro gain is good at high fear but terrible at speedrunning because it doesn't gain while you're channeling. But aren't you also frequently channeling at high fear? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0vxFZHT1Bs

[flint widget]

i mean final slice exists

no need for magick when u have that

[fiery kraken]

cardio gain only says "attack or special", so that means it doesn't proc on Oattacks/specials right?

[flint widget]

any other hammer and yea u def need a better magick regen

yeah

[fiery kraken]

if you get final slice do you just dstrike + slice as main damage move and leave the combo off?

[flint widget]

yeah

final slice is super op

only thing that compares to it is sweeping ambush but that requires a good gain

meanwhile final slice is magickless

automatically making it better

[fiery kraken]

does morrigan's attack want a high +% rather than +damage because I'm frequently using Oattacks?

even though it's kind of a "faster" weapon?

[flint widget]

a what

yeah u def want a % attack

i mean u can make on hit attacks work on morrigan but i feel like that's settling for less

[fiery kraken]

yeah that was bad and confusing english

[forest hinge]

does Steam stop Scorch from being applied? if so, doesnt that just kill scorch builds?

[median anvil]

does it remove scorch or froth?

[forest hinge]

it removes froth

[spiral wadi]

nah scorch is independent of steam

[opal pecan]

Though that reminds me -- iirc the wording is "fire effects"; is that wording meant to encompass both Scorch and fireballs or

[spiral wadi]

yes, also includes heat rush

[opal pecan]

Oh, interesting, wouldn't have imagined Heat Rush, good to know

[azure coral]

just had a circe build with sun worshiper, ecstatic obsession, and godsent night bloom… allies melted EVERYTHING

[fiery kraken]

I assume there's no limit to the number of allies on screen at the same time?

[bronze flax]

Ah yes, the hidden summoner class for Mel. Good for her tbh

[zealous crag]

Oh, I thought it required using consecutive omega moves. I thought I read that on the tooltip somewhere.

[azure coral]

I had up to 3 at any given time actually, pretty wild

had two fighting typhon

olympus was bananas

[fiery kraken]

strange, just won at 40 fear morrigan (wahoo!) and special was my highest damage dealer. New meta?

aries special, +15 damage hammer, chaos boon on special.

is wounds counted as part of the special damage or is it olympian damage?

[viral yew]

Special

[fiery kraken]

so that means +% affects the damage?

[viral yew]

Yes

[fiery kraken]

and my triad damage was 4th, behind attack and scorch (on attack). Am I doing it wrong?

(I got lucky - morph ball hit frenos, +4 dds over the course of the run, and life tap as dad gift in tart)

[viral yew]

Nah morrigan is very build diverse

[fiery kraken]

I actually ran out of magic in region 3 and needed to hunt down some magic pots

[silent crow]

both lmao

[scarlet ferry]

Having both the "specials bounce +2 timess" hammer and chain lightning boon on Melinoe"s staff is so fun lol

[opal pecan]

Absolutely

[south crystal]

Does anyone know what is the chance that one of the boons in the choice menu is an infusion boon (provided you meet the prerequisites for it appearing, of course)?

[median anvil]

infusions are treated as common boons for most systems so it's equal to every other boon

[forest hinge]

How long does Glorious Disaster deal dmg?

Does Hail Storm only launch lightning bolts during the 2sec Freeze duration, or does it continue firing during the 10sec/target cooldown?

also, does Cold Storage extend the firing duration of Hail Storm?

[median anvil]

as long as prominence flare lasts

only the 2 second freeze duration (which can become longer with cold storage)

[forest hinge]

exactly what i needed to know, ty chief

[south crystal]

Thanks. It’s quite unexpected since some of them are really good

[fiery kraken]

oh that's nice especially with hubris on

[median anvil]

it's also nice with denial on to avoid forced sacrifice choices

[scarlet ferry]

What special boon do you guys think is best for Melinoe's torches?

I like using Poseidon with it but I wanna mix things up

[viral yew]

Hitch or blitz

Scorch is ok, ares too

[scarlet ferry]

Actually maybe I'll suck it up and force myself to use the attacks lol

See if its become more fun since last I tried

[opal pecan]

Simply get Furious Blaze (or whatever that hammer is called that lets you move faster while channeling attack)

[forest hinge]

can you stack multiple "lightning bolt" effects at once? Like, will Storm Ring and Hail Storm deal their own dmg at the same time, or is there an internal cooldown for lightning bolts to hit, like with Blitz's ICD?

[viral yew]

Nope, they will all hit

And hit more with double strike

[forest hinge]

Success Rate my beloved

I've been brainstorming on Scorch Circe vs Lightning Circe builds, and i think storm ring just IS better cus lightning can crit, but Scorch w/PT can only tick but so fast

[viral yew]

Storm ring is much better I agree

Especially with dem the gale, air quality, and hail storm synergies all go so hard

[opal pecan]

IA, and yes, Scorch can't crit -- but imo it's sort of an Old Reliable kinda curse + it can hit entire crowds simultaneously

[forest hinge]

its true that storm ring can only hit one at a time, but boss kills are sooo much better with storm than scorch

[viral yew]

Yeah rivals chronos is miserable with smoulder ring

[cerulean panther]

Amir, can we get a reverse Hold Auto-Fire? Holding down Attack or Special gets Auto-Fire and holding your Auto-Fire button lets you use Omega Moves.

[sand crow]

Does jpom stack with aspect of Persephone?

[opal pecan]

Yes

[tawny imp]

My appreciation for success rate grows every run

Seems like it should be situational but it really isn’t

Although I am a raki main so I am biased

[opal pecan]

You know that SR doesn't work on Raki's crits right

[tawny imp]

It doesn’t???

What the hell I’ve been gaslighting myself

[digital juniper]

nope, in a patch it was specifically changed to not affect raki

[tawny imp]

I’m so mad success rate sucks

[digital juniper]

you know what it does affect though?

white antler

[spiral wadi]

and ares mutual destruction and grievous blow

[unreal rose]

Quite everything but Raki

[fiery kraken]

why is rivals chronos bad with smoulder ring?

he teleports around, which would be bad for any ring, wouldn't it?

[silent crow]

not really?

[fiery kraken]

I guess any ring with dot

[spiral wadi]

smolder's fine, u just ideally want more dps on ur atk and specials

[silent crow]

there are times when he stands still for a while and smolder ring also immediatedly applies scorch

[fiery kraken]

I guess I'm responding to Luthien's comment

rivals chronos is miserable with smoulder ring

[rapid blaze]

Experimental hammer question
Does it swap after the first one expires or is it inactive for the rest of the night?

[silent crow]

inactive

[forest hinge]

ok yall, Hazard Boom from Icarus on Circe staff is cracked LOL

literally never taken that thing before, but omg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1451367155533877380/image.png?ex=6945ea7e&is=694498fe&hm=0b044daa1ccd671922180cfc73d581b773cd0009a3029b8a0b30751be62af7e6&

I assume Hazard Boom counts as "cast" damage, but does anyone know if it doesn't?

[golden marlin]

is it normal that The Morrigan's specials aren't affected by The Huntress's boost?

(+x% dmg when below 100% magick)

[opal pecan]

Huntress only boosts normal attack and special. Were you using normal special or omega special?

[golden marlin]

oh, right, it only says normal...

I... was using the omega

what's the use cases for its omega specials btw? Same (base) dmg as normal special, less damage than omega attack, prevents you from using normal special for some time...

[opal pecan]

Genuinely no idea haha.

[spiral wadi]

there is none

it's just objectively meaningless lol

[golden marlin]

have they ever tried to, like... address that?

[cerulean panther]

If you've already got enemies marked with Attack and Special, the Morrigan's Omega Special is your fastest Blood Triad trigger.

[golden marlin]

yeah, I can see how it comes out faster...

[forest hinge]

can Cut Above stack? am i able to stack Cut Above using O-Special on Coat?

[viral yew]

No

[alpine raft]

there can only be one sword above an enemy at a time

[cerulean panther]

No, but you can apply to multiple enemies simultaneously and a single Omega move can drop multiple swords on a single enemy if it lasts long enough past each sword's animation.

[forest hinge]

apollo duo helps with that prob

[cerulean panther]

Nergal Omega Attack + Coffin Nail = a surprising number of swords.

[golden marlin]

Coffin Nail is nice with that though

[cerulean panther]

You really want both, honestly.

[golden marlin]

Coffin Nail + Cutting Edge <3

for The Morrigan, do cast god effects on the O-cast count as hitting with Omega moves? or only the final dmg?

[cerulean panther]

Just the Omega Cast burst itself.

[scarlet ferry]

I have my blast recharge on my skull attack to only 1.5 seconds lmao

[spark reef]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DorDu9hRVO2kHZN0aZOY1eUwkxdtmmg06-05dDuli_4/edit#gid=1324338073
is there a similar google doc for hades 2?

for builds

[opal pecan]

There's a page in the pins with info

[spark reef]

yeah but its not so easy to follow, I used to have the google sheet on a 2. screen and could follow the builds that way lol

[opal pecan]

H2 is also less rigid than H1 was re: build variety, so

[spark reef]

makes sense

[scarlet ferry]

omg I just know typhon was on 1 hp

[onyx nova]

Same would love that for hades II, maybe i should build it myself lol 😂

Jk too much work

[spark reef]

Got to the same conclusion 😂 😂

[scarlet ferry]

Love having Hephaestus special when doing an attack build with the blades. Free damage throwing out the blast every once in awhile

[opal pecan]

Man, I thought this Cerb fight was bugged or something, turns out that he can summon adds who just. Hang out in the farthest corner of the arena, fully out of sight, and don't attack you.

I'm So Salty

[broken spoke]

Just turn rival 3 on ez

Can't hide in corner anymore

[opal pecan]

The EM Lernie of H2

[scarlet ferry]

Got my first Typhon win with the Moros torches

[viral yew]

Moros once again being strong asf

[fierce citrus]

Moros the goat 🐐

[modern vine]

Does Judgement still activate cards even if I have vow of void turned on?

[broken spoke]

Yes

[flint widget]

goddamn im so washed

no 62f clears yesterday 💔

[vital wave]

Hey sorry I may have trouble to read, I'm not quite sure I understand how sprouted works on Persephone 🤔 Does the sprouted power goes by doing flat damage that aren't attacks multiplier ? Like I tried it with Demeter's attack and it didn't seemed to go up, until I used Ares' cast 🤔

Right now I have Hestia's attack and it seems to trigger more often

[median anvil]

it needs olympian damage, demeter attack just makes your base weapon do more damage

stuff like scorch, blitz, waves, blasts, Hera's fine line, nearly every cast boon

[flint widget]

ok got to tart with nyx (strength with antler)

[turbid crescent]

how much dialogue does artemis have like damm

[flint widget]

chronos time

[turbid crescent]

I just want morrigan

Also, 24f olympus is pmo 😔

[vernal quiver]

whats your vow and arcana setup

[flint widget]

i died

rip

[turbid crescent]

grit, wards, menace, frenzy, return, fangs maxed, one on time and denial

arcana is a death defiance fates whim build

[vernal quiver]

no rivals?? 😭 and im sure you could do timer2 and drop grit easily

[turbid crescent]

no I hate rivals bosses

I'm too impatient to dodge all dat

[vernal quiver]

you can fr just do rivals4, frenzy2, and timer3 and youre at 24 lmao

[viral yew]

drop grit and wards

[viral yew]

Easiest setup fr

[vernal quiver]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwxLDYsMCwwLDAsNSwwLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDAsMF0=

if you want no rivals just try something like that

[turbid crescent]

For that I need to beat the rivals fights tho

Skill issues are real

[vernal quiver]

shops are immediately less valuable on surface anyway since ephyra exists, hubris doesnt exist 99% of the time, timer is fine as long as you dont touch grit or hoards

also wdym by death fates whim 😭 please dont tell me its judgment

since you dont have to do judgement to use fates whim

[turbid crescent]

no im not doing judgement

[broken spoke]

Just Fate whim setup with dd

[turbid crescent]

just too lazy to name all or take a screenshot

[vernal quiver]

fair

but yeah id drop grit, menace, denial and instead just do more time, shadow, and hubris

im also a debt2 enjoyer but i know thats not most people

[turbid crescent]

hows hera attack on medea

[broken spoke]

Good

[turbid crescent]

apparently my only real options are hera and apollo, hera sounds better cuz I have zeus special tho

[vernal quiver]

the goto

speedrun setup is hera attack zeus special

[flint widget]

you could also go for ares attack zeus special for heinous affront

[turbid crescent]

no way bridal glow just boosted HIGHLY FLAMMABLE

.......

[spark crown]

uhhhhhhhhhhhh i just accidently lost bridal glow in 60f T_T

[median anvil]

elaborate

[spark crown]

i accidently picked something else over it while moving too quick

on mel staff too T_T

at what point should i consider running god keepsakes in 60f

[manic shuttle]

did you clear 50f

[spark crown]

no

just jumping straight back to 60

im 3 cans of redbull deep if im doing it its now

[manic shuttle]

idk, sounds crazy

you'll end up dying early and not get used to late enemies and bosses

[spark crown]

ehh i only really have problems with 1 later enemy

[hollow briar]

I mean, I did all of my 62s with JPom, so take that as you will

(ie. I got carried)

[spark crown]

gigaros dash on supay 🔥

chaos said f you passion rush T_T

[hollow briar]

Wait, are you jumping to 60 using Supay specifically or

[still flint]

When running with max fear, what should I prioritise? I keep running out of time 💀

[hollow briar]

…Max? Like 67?

[spark crown]

i go where the grave thirst goes

i main morrigan

[hollow briar]

If you mean max Time, then just make sure to try and hit mid-shops where you can and manage the safety of your attacking with the spacing you need to actually clear rooms (also look for good Boss damage on your kit; your room-clear can be great, but if you spend six minutes on Cerberus, you may as well not have had good room-clear at all)

[spark crown]

who am i missing? https://imgur.com/w1gqDK0

[hollow briar]

Based. Might I recommend Eos next time tho? Had a hell of a better time with that than Supay (the worst Aspect I played at 62 by far)

[still flint]

Yes though not sure if that's the max; I'm not playing right now.

I have trouble defeating Poly and Medea within the time limit. Should I skip bonus rooms?

[vernal quiver]

yeah 67f is the max, uhhhh for time on surface do you know the proper ephyra routing??

since its consistent what certain rooms are, generally you wanna stay on the left side and take boss/medea rooms last

[hollow briar]

Yeah, as far as I know, the main goal for high Fear Surface is that you wanna have as much time as possible stockpiled for the later zones, so pathing becomes a really important part of Ephyra rooms

[vernal quiver]

also since we're talking 67f, just reset for gigaros dash off of jpom, then if your weapon wants a hammer start reset for that too, 67f is a reset fest

ik medea has done 67f surface, idk abt anything else

[hollow briar]

Not so far as I know, unless the Mel Blades 67 recently was done on Surface

That sounds frankly insane tho, especially considering I don’t think it had Trick Knives

[still flint]

So 67f isn't possible without resetting.

I don't have any idea about correct pathing. This is actually my first time chatting here even though I've been a member for some time and got almost 200h in game.

Been doing runs just for fun and challenge sometimes

[vernal quiver]

whats your current highest fear??

[hollow briar]

It’s definitely more plausible in the Underworld, but there’s still definitely a degree of “just get a good start” that’s inherent with practically every Aspect

[vernal quiver]

most 67f runs youll see have like the ideal start, with their build finished like halfway through the first area

since if you dont have your build live asap you lose an insane amount of time

[spark crown]

just unlocked the final and worst aspect 🔥

[viral yew]

If you say shiva I will strangle you

[flint widget]

is that supposed to be a threat or an invite

[viral yew]

He's ace he knows it's a threat

[flint widget]

oh right

[flint widget]

goddamnit i fumbled again

eos 62f w strength and antler fumbled in chronos 💔

could've been sub 15

[digital juniper]

it is shiva though

[viral yew]

Saying that when hel exists is wild

[digital juniper]

Hel is a close contender but not shiva levels of cheeks

[viral yew]

Are you gonna make me pull out the 67f

[digital juniper]

do it and i’ll literally only play shiva for a straight week

[spark crown]

O_O

[viral yew]

No i'll just make vy do it again

[spark crown]

i can neither confim nor deny

[viral yew]

😒 😒 😒

Respect halved

[spark crown]

it looks complex for little gain (not the boon type)

[viral yew]

You're Tasmanian

Enough said

[spark crown]

AND

[digital juniper]

nah it has to be you

[viral yew]

Not even part of Australia

[viral yew]

You know i'm not going past 62

[digital juniper]

then i will continue to say shiva is dogwater

[spark crown]

just turn on void and play judgement

[digital juniper]

can’t use judgement at 67

[viral yew]

You haven't cleared 62 you don't deserve an opinion /j

[digital juniper]

atleast my favourite aspect isn’t dogwater

[viral yew]

At least i'm actually good at the game

[vernal quiver]

Mfw its best use is avoiding the aspect altogether

I love how every coat is a different color of mel coat

[glass bone]

Can confirm. Best use case for Shiva is Three Punch Woman and spamming OSpecial / Special, or the standard Blasts / Blitz / Scorch boon soup

[bronze flax]

I don't like using the Attack too much, but Omega Special is pretty fun

Apollo Omega Special is just comical

[flint widget]

i guess she can't kill things in one punch, man

[opal pecan]

Prometheus is One Punch Man, but unfortunately, Melinoe is a three punch woman

[flint widget]

nah hes bajillion punch man

[opal pecan]

I thought that was the dudes in Fields

[flint widget]

have u seen his punch attack

so they're both bajillion punch man

no one punch man

https://tenor.com/view/one-punch-man-punch-serious-gif-12250021

[opal pecan]

Everyone punch man, or he'll punch you

Ah, I put up the Boated strim over lunch instead of the gaem and he reckons Extending Wallop is one of those things where it applies to normal attack but not to dash attack

I wonder if this could have been what I was, second- or third-hand, thinking about that other time

[flint widget]

one lunch man

[opal pecan]

In the Old English sense 🫡

[flint widget]

now that i think about it there's no one punch man in hades 2

we only got multiple punch man

closest thing i can think of is heracles cuz he one shots everything except mel but he wields a club not the left right goodnight

[opal pecan]

LOL

[flint widget]

this reminds me, i should create a powerscaling tier list for hades 2 sometime

im boutta ragebait the entire server with my takes

[scarlet ferry]

I have a super tanky Melinoe axe build cooking up

lvl 3 Axe

lvl 3 Frinos
rare tough gain
Colossus slash hammer
lvl 3 epic light smite
Old herbal remedy
HAsty retreat
self healing
lvl 2 rare dazzling display

(those arent all my boons)

[flint widget]

finally got a new time pb

5:16

[scarlet ferry]

How does the Momus staff interact with Athena’s mental block booon? Do I get deflection each time the cast goes off from the Momus effect?

[stark tiger]

I believe it's Omega cast detonation effects only

So Mental Block doesn't proc extra times

[scarlet ferry]

But mental block works for both casts and omega casts

[opal pecan]

Sure, and if you do an omega cast, Mental Block will proc. At the beginning.

[stark tiger]

Yes, but under normal circumstances, Mental Block doesn't proc an extra time when the ring explodes.

[scarlet ferry]

Gotcha

[stark tiger]

So it won't proc extra times as the ring explodes 3 times (momus effect)

If Momus repeated the whole cast, different story, but it does not

For that you want Circe

[scarlet ferry]

Because right now with Momus staff, I have Hephaestus cast, Hermes’s Winners Circle, and the Apollo boon that makes your omega casts expire faster and do w burst at the end. It’s so funny

So I was considering swapping to Athena’s keepsake to get her cast

[stark tiger]

What region are you entering?

and do you have "The Furies" arcana?

[scarlet ferry]

Just finished Erebus and switched to Hera keepsake. Had to go somewhere tho so I’m not at my pc rn

[scarlet ferry]

Which one is that

[stark tiger]

Damage increase against foes in your cast

[scarlet ferry]

Oh yeah definitely

[stark tiger]

Good, so no need for Circe keepsake

[opal pecan]

Circe keepsake is bad unless you're memeing anyway

*well, not bad, just... why would you

[stark tiger]

I do Circe keepsake if I'm doing a non-Whim Judgement run

Opportunity to draw every arcana

[opal pecan]

Judgment runs are already meme runs

[scarlet ferry]

My omens casts charge ins fraction of a section and do a ton of damage. Need to get the Apollo boon that makes them expand in size though.

And I switched to Hera to either get her attack or sprint

Probably gonna wanna get Aphrodite magic regen. She’s already in my god pool

[stark tiger]

All this being said, if you're already on a non-Whim Strength build, Athena keepsake is rarely a bad choice.

It's a bonus boon, vs. the other olympian boons simply steering encounter RNG

[runic crescent]

anyone got a good aspect of selene build?