h2-builds-and-combat

[silent crow]

lol its bait

[edgy nacelle]

is 100% fine
just not content I'm interested in 🤷 and ofc things will make no real sense

[hollow briar]

Oh, that seems definitely like it should be an unstreamed vid

[silent crow]

i should make a boon tierlist based on my favorites

[edgy nacelle]

yeah, I think for tier lists to have a chance to be actually useful you need to put thought into them
but they're also easy content and a thing chats like participating in ik, so like. I get it

just. not a thing I'd want new players to reference, really

also unrelated to him specifically but ppl really underrate frigid rush, that boon is so good...

I've talked about this a LOT, but it's worth saying 😤

[forest hinge]

All the effects in Hades 2 especially use such hyperspecific language when referencing each system that I feel like a tierlists sort of hurts the learning curve

Especially if you’re just starting

[hollow briar]

Loved making Risk of Rain 2 tierlists but for this game I feel like the only thing I can really speak to is Aspect enjoyment at certain Fear levels

[edgy nacelle]

oh absolutely
also so much stuff is situational! like, I have no clue how I'd compare something like splash attack versus apollo attack, their use cases are entirely different

[hollow briar]

But yeah, the situational part is the main thing. Certain things are outright strong or weak, but there’s a lot of factors in runs that are worth discussing the merits of analyzing/thinking through

[edgy nacelle]

also if you try to factor in things like opening up duos it gets more complicated too
ares duos are rather good across the board imo, which can raise the value of his core boons 🤷 to me

[viral yew]

I reckon if duos and legendaries were on the table it would've gone nuclear

[forest hinge]

Am I gonna get shot if I say that I’m not really that invested in legendaries like 99% of the time?

[viral yew]

Nah I agree with that

[forest hinge]

Like Zeus legendary is cracked if you have success rate, and Aphro’s Charm is always awesome, but they’re just hard to string together with all the boons PLUS the actual % chance of it showing up in the first place

[edgy nacelle]

I 100% agree lol, there are like......... 3 I actively care about building towards, and one of them I don't even think is that good

imo if you're playing poseidon attack/special then king tide is absurdly good, crazy legendary in its niche.
weapons which can use apollo legendary well really like it.
and then like....... ares legendary is a fun build but often not that good

[stable herald]

Most duos are build-around, most legendaries are icing on the cake. Only build-essential one is Ares for plasma but isn't that one easier to get?

[broken spoke]

Legendary are so rare that they are never in my plan

[silent crow]

plasma isnt even build essential

[viral yew]

Ares legendary, dem legendary, and zeus are the only ones I will actively go for

[forest hinge]

Retired Hel player here: baited by Ares legend once and never again ‼️

[silent crow]

legendaries are just some Funny Stuff

[cerulean panther]

Duos: H2 > H1 (which is wild, we had Merciful End, Ice Wine, Heart Rend), but Legendaries: H2 < H1.

[hollow briar]

Doesn’t help that they show up super late into a run most of the time, are hard to set up with Denial and usually aren’t even worth it once you do get the puzzle pieces together

[edgy nacelle]

see I never go for zeus or dem leg
they're good if I happen to get them? but I don't think abt them when picking boons, whereas if I'm playing any splash build I am 100% taking flood gain, geyser spout, or breaker rush just in case I can snipe king tide later

[silent crow]

be real theres like 2 good legendaries in h1

the other ones u were never getting on the build u would actually want them or they were actively worthless

[forest hinge]

Denial cripples Legendaries sooo much, which sucks cus Denial is such an easy take on higher fears

[cerulean panther]

King Tide, Exceptional Talent, and Nervous Wreck are some of the only Legendaries I build towards.

[stable herald]

My favorite is Hera's, it's kinda random and not build-around but it's got insane value. Love infusions

[cerulean panther]

And Nervous Wreck is mostly just a fun meme.

[silent crow]

nervous wreck is genuinely great

it just gives you so much random damage

[edgy nacelle]

nervous wreck is fun af to build towards, I just don't bother when doing hard stuff
whereas like. any time I played splash Hel even at 62 I was clicking a useless poseidon boon to open up that juicy boss damage later

[silent crow]

i feel like thats a problem with aphrodite being bad than the boon itself

[cerulean panther]

I timed out against the Eye a few days ago on a King Tide build.

[stable herald]

I don't think I've ever even picked Hestia's legendary...

[cerulean panther]

Didn't feel great, had Garmr Gaze, Arteral Spray, the works.

[silent crow]

how did you time out on summit

[cerulean panther]

Fire Away sure is a boon.

[edgy nacelle]

the boon is good, it's just not essential for her to do her job imo so if I'm worried about surviving I'll click something like spiritual aff instead of opening up her legendary 🤷

[forest hinge]

I can’t even tell if it works half the time LOL

[broken spoke]

Nowadays somehow i am happier to see ares more than aphro lol

Much more thing in aphro i don't want to click

[silent crow]

yea nervous wreck is good im saying that the prereqs are so bad you'll never get it

[edgy nacelle]

ngl I'm not even sure what they are
atk/spec, weak effect, weak tier 2 or some other passive prob?

yes lol exactly that

shameless and secret crush count for the tier 2 slot as well

yeah. I don't get it often since I don't click her attack/special almost ever

[forest hinge]

Secret Crush feels underrated to me imo, cus it counts a base weapon dmg right, so wouldn’t that go crazy on like staff and daggers?

[hollow briar]

It is pretty good on those, yeh. Just depends on the run’s context

[edgy nacelle]

it's a little awkward...? it can be solid tho
it's fairly low base power and just for attacks. a lot of the things that could use it well also just tend to use things like scorch and splash on attack, so it matters a tad less

[silent crow]

secret crush is eh it doesnt do much and it primes magic

[edgy nacelle]

for jpom runs it also suffers from afaik not having any pom levels lol
and slow cooker being kinda just better

[silent crow]

its basically only with the spcl

[hollow briar]

Yeh, shoutout the +18 Slow Cooker I got on my Arti 62 clear yesterday lol

[forest hinge]

My Circle runs go crazy with Slow Cooker, I love that little staff attack lmao

[edgy nacelle]

you can stack it with slow cooker for burning desire Hel and stuff ig 🤷
but the fact that slow cooker is so good makes me way less likely to care about secret crush

[opal pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280788714790322176/1449584957663084816/image.png?ex=693f6eb1&is=693e1d31&hm=2bc1af4ebcb5793ecade581f9ca14d55d2aa14487c78dea6e48882cfcc0837c7& I have not had an attack boon almost this entire run (Aphrodite offered very early on and I was like "I'll wait for a better one...") and Secret Crush is like the one boon actually buffing my attack right now 🙃

So I guess I am legally forbidden from talking smack about SC

[edgy nacelle]

and also on weapons which actually want aphro attack it isn't doing much, like oh wow my Mel axe has +5 power at common rarity, unpommable? how amazing T_T

[viral yew]

I love it for the chronos fight

[forest hinge]

Yeah genuinely one of the most niche boons

[opal pecan]

Is there anyplace that documents the base channel times required for each move?

[forest hinge]

That would be cool!

A nice spreadsheet table for each omega move…….😊

[opal pecan]

The wiki didn't seem to have the info, oh well

[viral yew]

When does the wiki ever have the info

[forest hinge]

I wish we used smth like wikigg or smth cus I canNOT open the hades wiki on my phone from here lmao

[opal pecan]

I'm just in a bit of a ponderatious pickle but I guess I'll just fang it

[viral yew]

Antler*

[forest hinge]

Fleece it

Omg I remember when I was like Black Fleece’s biggest defender loool

[viral yew]

Ewwww

[silent crow]

wikigg goated

[hollow briar]

You like it for the damage. I like it cuz it tells me how much damage I’ve taken with Nergal at the end of Tartarus. We are not the same

[forest hinge]

Based

[forest hinge]

For the life of me I cannot understand Nergal

[hollow briar]

I can at ~55, but 62 vs. the Rivals is like eating glass by the spoonful

[forest hinge]

Like do you just spam special until frenzy and then attack a bunch like????

[hollow briar]

Omegas help a lot

[opal pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280788714790322176/1449587862017413140/image.png?ex=693f7166&is=693e1fe6&hm=14448fc5692aebf28642fe2216f6fdca9984a16812a3f338f657c67aa4c77e8d& Jesus christ, Poseidon

[forest hinge]

Does frenzy affect the channel speed of Nergal omegas? Or does it actually speed up how fast it attacks?

[viral yew]

I watched pizza do it, and he's just so smooth with it, makes me irrationally upset

[opal pecan]

Final shop and he doesn't want to give a damn attack boon i swear to god

sigh

[hollow briar]

Not as far as I know

[viral yew]

Made it to charybdis the other day on a speedrun with no attack

[hollow briar]

Just speeds up the base Attack and Spesh

[opal pecan]

Why are the gods like this

[hollow briar]

My old Eos 50F didn’t have an Attack boon at all LOL

[wheat pilot]

Finished a run with +120% damage from Last Gasp. Coulda gotten it higher in theory, but it was still fun.

Does Moros' keepsake work toward Last Gasp?

I used Athena's dd boon and intentionally died in almost every room.

[viral yew]

No

[tawny imp]

Holy I finally got a good Hel run

Hel 40F beaten with Poseidon + reckless abandon

[opal pecan]

What a meme run

Congrats, omg

[tawny imp]

I didn’t even need the latter because o had like 220k splash damage

With 197 per wave

But it was still fun

[opal pecan]

197 per wave????

[tawny imp]

Yeah

I genuinely don’t even remember what I had to cause that

Didn’t even have king tide

I melted typhon phase 1 before he even attacked

[opal pecan]

What The Actual Froth

[tawny imp]

I did have rare extended family and all together

Ok looking at it

Level 7 heroic wave strike
Glow from smithy rush
Extended family x 10
Any arcana I had but also judgement so idr

The only 2 weapons I haven’t won with now are shiva momus

[opal pecan]

Oh damnnn

[tawny imp]

What’s the most damage yall ever did to nemesis

I got 3781 today

[opal pecan]

Ever since that one time she gave me a Path of Stars as the reward for that encounter and then STOLE MY MIDSHOP while I was loading the menu, I have chosen to deliberately fail that challenge 🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂

[alpine raft]

nothing feels worse than nem taking the door you want

[opal pecan]

The thing is that the other Nem challenges have the potential of you getting ahead of her.

[silent crow]

least insane and petty esca behavior

[broken spoke]

Straight up doesn't engage in nem k*nk

[median anvil]

i remember getting like 5800 once

[silver linden]

is artemis the best blade

[edgy nacelle]

definitely not

Morrigan (the hidden aspect) gets called the best blade aspect most often
Mel blades are quite good and rather underrated

Pan is.... weird to rate? it used to be op, now it's a lot worse

but arty blades are in third place at best

[tawny imp]

taking off jpom vs just rerolling runs until god pool you want

[upbeat matrix]

I think arty blades isnt as bad as some people claim but it genuinely needs a ton of skill to use properly. Its pretty good when used right and on getting a good hammer like sweeping ambush

[median anvil]

hidden aspect for speedrunning, mel blade and hidden aspect both for high fear

arty blade is good but not as good as those other two

[silver linden]

mmm

[median anvil]

pan does not exist

[edgy nacelle]

I fully recognize that I'm quite bad at arty blades
but I also think it can't reeeaaally compete with morrigan and mel blades

[upbeat matrix]

yeah its janky tbh

[edgy nacelle]

it's also really sad that arty blades aspect bonus has anti-synergy with trick knives sigh

[upbeat matrix]

how so?

[edgy nacelle]

pan and mel blades both have like.... direct synergy. extra backstabs for free, homing specials

but afaik artemis + trick knives is hard coded so that the specials can't crit because of the aspect bonus

they can via other crit sources
but won't consume stacks of your riposte to crit

[upbeat matrix]

ohhh ok

imo sweeping ambush is probably the hammer meant for artemis haha

[dreamy veldt]

I went outside and I regret it so now I'm gonna go home and never leave again, only Hades 2 from now on

[quaint dune]

Yes

[silver linden]

is moros or charon more braindead

[alpine raft]

moros has some variety but charon feels the same every time

[silver linden]

...and no way there r even more braindead aspects right

[viral yew]

There are

[alpine raft]

mel staff also feels the same all the time but at least its fun

[edgy nacelle]

kinda depends what you mean
charon has more inputs, moros has more build variety 🤷

[silver linden]

inputs ?

[edgy nacelle]

like. you hit more buttons

[silver linden]

ah

wait what, isnt charon just cast and omega special

[edgy nacelle]

moros = hold down special, hold down attack, dash and cast ig if you want
charon = tap cast, hold down special, almost always dash while holding down special to reposition and stay safe, and that combo takes less time so you don't just hold down attack for half the fight, you do the same combo a lot of times

plus managing ranged casts can change how it feels a tad, + double casting with giga cleaver and/or apollo legendary

[silver linden]

i asssume charon doesnt want any flat damage

then ukw moros it is since u can just take whatever

[edgy nacelle]

not generally on special, but there are lots of options for charon cast

[silver linden]

wait also, why doesnt moros take a flat dmg on atk

don't u kinda spam it like a machine gun lol

[edgy nacelle]

it can 🤷 it often doesn't, but it can. both work

[alpine raft]

flat or % is viable

[edgy nacelle]

the base damage is high enough that % is perfectly good
but also explosions get innate 60% damage bonus so even if you do a flat damage attack you still get good raw weapon damage

[silver linden]

hm

[edgy nacelle]

it's also the type of weapon where, even if you take scorch/blitz/splash, sometimes Ωatk is your highest source of damage regardless lol

[upbeat matrix]

Nergal

[dreamy veldt]

Nergal is braindead in the sense that no matter how much or little brain power I use I still end up dead

[silver linden]

bruh, phase shift can almost guarantee u 100 gold from infernal trove

[dreamy veldt]

You know what else can guarantee 100 gold?

Being good (not speaking from experience)

[silver linden]

hermes' boon that lets u tank dmg for gold is insanity

[flint widget]

ngl the start of this week has been crazy ngl

we got 2 67f clears

[vernal quiver]

Oh yeah wasn't mel and persephone skull

[spiral wadi]

patch 2: added more fear so yall can stop getting max fear clears

[flint widget]

that was last week

today had mel axe of all aspects and another mel staff

[median anvil]

mel axe has been very strong since the 1.0 yall are sleeping on it too much 😤

[flint widget]

true

[flint widget]

woohoo nyx 62f surface done

[flint widget]

nergal 62f surface done

[lone quartz]

im cooked. going into typhon w 1dd

[flint widget]

nah you'll hitless it on my life

[lone quartz]

im starting the fight now (getting money to buy u a casket)

wait im the goat got to the part where zeus comes in and i still have my dd (im still gonna get fried)

[flint widget]

mel blades 62f surface done

[flint widget]

anubis 62f uw done wtf four 62f clears in one day

[tawny imp]

Honestly one of the worst legendaries imo

It’s either that or fire away

Paid dues is bad because it is not pickable 90% of the run in 99% of runs and fire away is bad because it doesn’t do anything

[dreamy veldt]

What is fire away

[flint widget]

hestia legendary

[dreamy veldt]

Is it like bugged?

Or are they just saying like it's a bad effect

[flint widget]

it sucks

[dreamy veldt]

Y

[flint widget]

its like a worse smolder ring imo, yes it destroys ranged shots but like you can just dodge

and the funny thing is the pre reqs require smolder ring

[opal pecan]

It's nice on Chronos, since he has soooooo many hurty orbs, but that's kinda niche

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah I was gonna say isn't it like an upgrade smolder ring 😅

[dreamy veldt]

So when you redo the story thingy, does it ever go back to how it was before you did it?

Cause like I beat the story again but uh certain people are still talking to me as if I never learned their big secret

And I don't really wanna uhhhh go through unskipable dialogue that I've already read

[opal pecan]

You reset time all the way back to the point you landed at. That includes undoing all the epilogue stuff and consequences thereof, yes. So you just go through all that again.

But I'm not sure what you mean by unskippable, I think the only things in the game that are unskippable are like. Boss animations, the Chronos cutscene, and the credits.

[dreamy veldt]

Like press a button to skip the convo

Instead of spamming a

[opal pecan]

Ah. Well, you will simply have to deal with it, yes :P

[dreamy veldt]

Sad!

Also, Apollo Zeus duo probably doesn't work if I cheat it out with Charon right

Got me a duo in my third Ephyra room 😎

Just got offered Hermes legendary in my fifth ephyra room lmao

Hmmm I kinda wanna take Poseidon but not sure if I should

Charon Apollo ares

[flint widget]

take poseidon

poseidon is a godsent for charon axe

[dreamy veldt]

Wait why

[flint widget]

geyser spout

[dreamy veldt]

Ooooh

Well I rerolled and got Apollo but I'll take Poseidon keepsake next region lol

Geyser spout acquired

Charon
Nova flourish
Chaos special 86%
Geyser spout
Explosive intent
Ocean swell
Cut above

Get ready for me to say I lost in like 2 minutes

Oh and sudden cleaver

Oh!

I thought boons could only reroll into boons

I wanted heph instead of Poseidon cause I'm going for heph ares duo, hit reroll and it gives me magick potion 💀

Got it now from turtle shop pog

Instant double blades

And I have all three blade skills

No giga cleaver sadge

Ok took like 150 damage from Talos so that's cool

Please give me an anvil and an Apollo boon in final shop

No anvil but an Apollo boon, please gimme legendary

https://tenor.com/htVURDrfCzk.gif

Entered a run for the sole purpose of getting Apollo legendary giga cleaver charon axe and I got neither

Oh, I thought it would count all blades as one

I have 131k from casts 105k from rushing

[dreamy veldt]

Dang I'm good it was 144

[digital juniper]

only miniboss doors

normal doors can roll into health or magick or poms

[dreamy veldt]

Crazy

Do you think the chances are split into 4 and then further split if it rolls boon

Or are all the god boons in the first pool

[forest hinge]

Questions about Froth, because I forget things✨✨✨

Is Froth Olympian dmg?
Can Froth crit?
Does Froth go away once it deals its 25% chance for 90dmg?
Is there any form of dmg that doesn’t proc Froth dmg?(such as Scorch?)

[spiral wadi]

yes, yes, no, scorch and steam

[forest hinge]

My goat

Grievous Blow or Mutual Destruction? I was a fan of MD before, but now I’m wondering if a guaranteed flat crit rate from GB is better

[silent crow]

take grevious when its offered

[spiral wadi]

gb so u don't have to play fake antler

[forest hinge]

How does % dmg reduction work?

Can Strength pair with Broken Resolve and Weak to give you like -80% dmg taken?

And if that’s actually works the way I think it does, why don’t we all run that literally all the time lol

[opal pecan]

DR is multiplicative

[forest hinge]

So kind of like Success Rate?

[opal pecan]

Ye but all of the % DR sources are, rather than just one. Someone mentioned that they wanted to make sure DR couldn't get too strong, which I guess makes sense.

[dreamy veldt]

When would someone hypothetically take the Ares life steal boon

Bloodspree I think?

I feel like the ones who are running antler last region are good at the game, meaning they're probably running high fear, meaning wouldn't they just die

[viral yew]

I take it all the time cause I always antler

[viral yew]

I can naked antler but I prefer to have some sort of backup

[dreamy veldt]

So if you're running pain in summit and get hit you won't die?

*while on antler

[forest hinge]

If ur running pain antler on summit then you’ve accepted that your probably gonna die

[surreal hazel]

Mutual destruction dances with death

[dreamy veldt]

Picking chaos boon

My options are the double resources one

Or take 3 damage when I attack for 4 encounters and then get +100% gold

Or take 5 damage when I attack for 5 encounters and get +36% damage on attacks

I'm playing coat btw

I'm currently in room 16 in Oceanus which means I have to get 5 encounters in a row before shop right

Is that even uh possible

Cause I can't fight Scylla without attacking

Yolo I'm taking the 5

[viral yew]

I don't like to run antler on summit unless I have some form of free hit because there are a lot of enemies, including typhon, that can one shot

Tartarus and chronos is super easy to hitless but summit is a pain in the ass

[dreamy veldt]

Ah I see

[viral yew]

With or without pain makes no real difference but I don't play high fear surface, only done 50f

[quick crescent]

emergency build help:

trying to go for an all-gods, high infusion extended family all together tun

just got hera off of a mini boss door and she's giving me proper upbringing

does anyone know if proper upbringing affect chaos boons?

[dreamy veldt]

Lol just beat Nem 23-0

[copper stag]

What god pairs best with Apollos attack with aspect of Thanatos

While shooting for the legendary but not expecting it

[silent crow]

are you using the omega attacks

[copper stag]

Yes

Of course lol

[silent crow]

ares / demeter imo

[copper stag]

Any boons in particular? I’m guessing Demeter cast?

[silent crow]

demeter has weed killer and the gust duo with apollo is good

ares can give you the sword boons which unlocks the ares/apollo duo to double them and also ares plasma is good with thanatos

if you stand still during the omega attack demeters gain restores ur magic too

[copper stag]

Ok thank you

Going to try it

[steel owl]

Playing with the staff, I just got "Giga Moonburst" (channel 30 extra magick into omega special for extra damage) and "Aetheric Moonburst" (adds power shot to omega special that deals extra damage and recovers magick) together for the first time and seems they don't work together? My power shot happens in the middle of charging lol 🙁 I guess it could be intended or could be a bug?

[silent crow]

yeah they dont work together

[dreamy veldt]

I've never gotten 11 points on path of stars before

I don't really know how that happened

[copper stag]

I loves hades 2 but one thing I do miss from hades 1 are the calls

They were so much more useful in my opinion

[viral yew]

I suppose hexes replace them

[dreamy veldt]

Interesting most damage suffered list

[copper stag]

I know I just don’t think they’re as fun

[dreamy veldt]

Hippo (?)
Traps
Chaos
Demeter
Chronos

What is Hippo

Oh the Oceanus explodey thingy

[copper stag]

The seahorse thing

[edgy nacelle]

yeah, hippocampus, sea horse

[copper stag]

I believe they have homing missles as projectiles so makes sense

[steel owl]

actually it turns out it was just my skill issue, it has a power shot after the first charge and another after the second charge haha

[silent crow]

wolha really

[steel owl]

it's subtle but yeah did the math and the second power shot was working, recovering magick etc

I wanna post the crazy build I just ended up with but looks like I don't have permission? D:

[viral yew]

#h2-victory-boasting

[steel owl]

thx I didn't realize I had permission to upload there haha

[opal pecan]

I'm deeply amused that my last Pan run is faster than my fastest Morrigan run despite the fact that it wasn't optimal map RNG and my build was absolutely ????

I think the main takeaway is that Light Smite is OP, but to some extent, I feel like the secondary takeaway is that trying to play an aspect the intended way is just too difficult 🫡

[silent crow]

the thirdary takeaway is that this is a roguelite and your performance will vary wildly based on unseen factors below the absolute highest level

[dreamy veldt]

I've learned that I have a lot more fun and do a lot better with Shiva when I ignore omega moves

[opal pecan]

Yah that's why I specifically singled out the RNG factors

[silent crow]

you didnt talk about your current random mood 😼

[opal pecan]

I am a chump 24/7

Also, the adjective you are looking for is "tertiary", but "thirdary" is funnier

[dreamy veldt]

Pan time

Idk why I don't play it more

Oh wait it's cause morrigan exists

[silent crow]

i was not looking for tertiary if i was i would have found it

[silent crow]

its bad rofl

[dreamy veldt]

I think it's really fun

[opal pecan]

But not as fun as Morrigan, Ulteya #THEMORRIGANG?

[dreamy veldt]

Exactly

[silent crow]

every time ive played aspect of pan i started actually passing out in my chair

[dreamy veldt]

Lmao

It reminds me of my bro Coronocht

With the one hammer

That does the thing

[silent crow]

charged volley?

[opal pecan]

I vaguely remember a bud of mine was super into the bow, but other than that, I got nothin

[silent crow]

see that hammer actually rules

[opal pecan]

What did the hammer do?

[dreamy veldt]

The boming one

Homing

[silent crow]

it added a charge that made your special do a billion damage

[opal pecan]

Is that different from "the homing one"

[dreamy veldt]

One sec

Sorry it wasn't a hammer it was an aspect

[silent crow]

the homing one is an aspect bruh

[opal pecan]

OHHhhh. From osmosis of y'all's discussions, Chiron?

[dreamy veldt]

https://imgur.com/a/85sHwv7

Yes

It was so fun

I wanna go back and play it now

[opal pecan]

Yesss confuddle your muscle memories 😈

[dreamy veldt]

But now it's time to meme

[opal pecan]

What's memier than messing with your muscle memory?

[dreamy veldt]

Good point

[umbral horizon]

You can try the same version in Hades 2, it's called Pan Blade

[viral yew]

Pan blades is ass tho

[opal pecan]

Scroll up hahhaha

We started by discussing Pan and Chiron only came up in reference to that

[dreamy veldt]

https://imgur.com/a/oXhVFcR

My death speedrun submission

So I closed the game before I fully returned cause I didn't want the meme to mess up my stats, and now the game is stuck on the loading screen

[opal pecan]

Oh dear

[dreamy veldt]

Insert what did it cost everything gif

Ok nvm second times the charm

Oh lmao it saved the loss anyway

[opal pecan]

Game really being like "you think you could pull a fast one on MOI"

[dreamy veldt]

Also look how fast my zombie does damage

https://imgur.com/a/XPgYIJ2

[opal pecan]

Jesus, is that because of Pain?

[dreamy veldt]

The meme one yes

Pain 3 baby

[opal pecan]

The only hex that gets buffed by vows lol

[dreamy veldt]

Oh that one

No that's 0f, it just is that strong

[opal pecan]

Damn, was it upgraded???

[dreamy veldt]

Well yeah almost fully lol

But it's why I love this hex I literally just ran around and it did the fight for me in 30s

Also last and definitely least, when my wolf howl got cancelled but I didn't realize until now that it didn't eat the charge

https://imgur.com/a/BayoFJn

[digital juniper]

contrary to popular belief, vows actually don’t affect a summoned ally’s stats

but they do have a hidden damage buff modifier (besides the ones that you can get through the path of stars)

[opal pecan]

Huh, do they not? I could swear someone had said something to that effect. Is there some kind of similar or related effect that I could have gotten it confused with?

[digital juniper]

i would assume that it’s just very commonly believed that they do affect them

[opal pecan]

Ah, fair enough. The ouroboros of misprision lol

[digital juniper]

but we have a member of the community (Silly, I think) who has done extensive testing and found the hidden damage modifier, and the fact that vows don’t actually affect allies

[opal pecan]

Is the Sun Worshiper +dmg% stat on top of the hidden damage modifier, or is it inclusive of the hdm?

[digital juniper]

on top

[opal pecan]

Nice :D

[digital juniper]

so are the path of stars upgrades you can get

so yeah, allies=biiiig damage haha

[dreamy veldt]

I still need to have 3 enemies fight for me at once

Actually that's my next project

Definitely gonna take some resetting

[bronze flax]

I lost against Scylla because of Chaos' Expiring lmaoooooooo

I'm not even mad, that was very funny

[eternal vine]

is this an ok place to ask for advice making a run decision?

trying to choose between possessed array and twisting crash. I'd send an image of the build if i could

basically- aspect of persephone, hitch strike, sword drop, cut above

going for 32 fear underworld

both of these could be amazing damage sources, but i don't have born gain yet and I don't have rolls to look for it

so is it worth the gamble for possessed?

[edgy nacelle]

honestly possessed array is so absurdly strong that I probably would gamble for a good gain boon—is anyone else in the pool?

born gain is great, ares idt is enough to power it
but apollo and poseidon can both do really well
demeter too in theory but I dislike using her gain

twisting crash is def the safer option, but p.array has more potential if you get it online

[eternal vine]

no other gods in the pool yet

i'd really like to see heph because persephone + jpom is absurd levels

[edgy nacelle]

mostly for his attack tho tbh
the special is fine but also won't benefit much from twisting crash

[opal pecan]

Apparently Cardio Gain also works surprisingly well if you get enough upgrades in it, which with Persephone seems like a possibility

Albeit...... less of a possibility than one would in their heart of hearts truly hope (50% chance of no upgrades, what a ripoff 😩 )

[edgy nacelle]

I'd say it mainly works on Medea
it works okay on other skulls, you get a free p.array hit for every like.... two attacks?
but medea gets two hits of cardio for every special+attack so it works a lot better

[opal pecan]

Shotgun-ass weapon 😆

[forest hinge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936359276119736443/1450027696414392390/image.png?ex=69410b07&is=693fb987&hm=99b5339873711a98a4eb16d319958b8ba6267681009e8d3f0aef164cde4b65cd&

surely i just pick duo boon and go crazy right??

[tall notch]

Yeah hail storm's better here probably

[viral yew]

What they said

[tawny imp]

died to typhon F40

[manic shuttle]

does posses array omega attack trigger arc flash?

or flood gain?

[vernal quiver]

It triggers flood gain since flood gain triggers on any mana consumption but idk abt arc flash

[viral yew]

It does

[manic shuttle]

ok thx guys

[spark crown]

I'm convinced surface is ragebait

[viral yew]

How so

[manic shuttle]

it doesn't activate hexes tho, would be broken otherwise lol

[spark crown]

The enemies

The way the regions are set up feel specifically designed to mess you up in higher fear

[viral yew]

Right

[spark crown]

Genuinely can't make it to eris with my standard 32f

(no rivals)

[viral yew]

I don't remember or want to know what your standard 32 is

[spark crown]

No upgrades to enemy base stats

But have hoards and return unfortunately (dosnt effect much for me)

[viral yew]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDIsNSwwLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsNV0=

Just run this, super easy 32

[spark crown]

Rivals 2 T-T

[spark crown]

I have frenzy 2 tho

[viral yew]

It makes eris easier

[spark crown]

Yeah till eris refuses to leave the range of her bombs

Against morrigan

[tall notch]

Sounds like a Morrigan issue to me just play a better weapon

[spark crown]

2/3 of my 32f wins are morrigan XD

the third win was nergal

[flint widget]

i understand anubis now

[edgy nacelle]

maybe just make it a priority to grab a damaging cast boon in erebus, or even a ranged cast
that's usually the solution for weapons which don't have a good way of detonating her bombs

[sturdy knoll]

What’s the highest possible base crit chance? What more affects it except Artemis keepsake + heroic Artemis boon + Raki + Hermes chance boon + maxed Mortality?

[edgy nacelle]

do you want universal crit rate, or crit rate for a specific ability?

you can't reach 100% universal, but you can get close tbh with heroic boons and cherished heirloom

[sturdy knoll]

Yeah universal. Maybe Mortality only affects weapon hits?

[edgy nacelle]

or, well, you can, just not with 100% uptime

mortality as in the thanatos buff? that's just omega move weapon hits specifically

[sturdy knoll]

Oh, right

[edgy nacelle]

from talking about this the other day:

heroic pressure points + heroic success rate + cheirloom antler would be uh. 89.6 universal crit?
+4% from raki for 93.6 universal
+4% more if you somehow get artemis on the surface then grab circe for 97.6 max universal crit rate possible I think...?
(at least with 100% uptime, vital signs is a diff story)

heroic success rate + cherished heirloom + antler is already 80% universal crit

[sturdy knoll]

Whelp that’s not even too farfetched, cool stuff

[edgy nacelle]

the most annoying part fr is artemis on the surface
and you'd only need surface to double Raki's crit rate with circe

if you just want 100% crit rate on a specific ability then you can take a diffferent artemis boon like lethal snare and it's a lot easier

or ofc mortality/night for omega crit specifically

[zealous crag]

Is there a good way to use Charon against rivals Scylla? Without insane luck on finding enough cast speed boons, it feels impossible to make enough to space to actually finish a cast without eating damage.

[edgy nacelle]

hmm, are you doing the thing where you dash while channeling to create distance and stay mobile?
beyond that it's often just a matter of waiting for the right time to strike, Charon has crazy high burst damage so you can get away with going a tad slower for safety

[zealous crag]

Hmm... I didn't consciously process this was a feature until a few runs ago, actually. I come from a bunch of games where dashing interrupts channeled abilities. At some point, I figured out it could be done with the cast, but now that you mentioned it, I only did for the first time with Momus a few runs ago. Do those mid-cast dashes give i-frames, or is it just distance?

[edgy nacelle]

wait, to be clear—you aren't channeling your cast on Charon, are you?

[zealous crag]

No.

[edgy nacelle]

ok, good, just making sure

[zealous crag]

I was only doing it on other aspects that made use of channeled omega cast.

[edgy nacelle]

I'm actually not 100% sure whether they give i-frames, but regardless, I tend to dash while holding omega special basically every time I do the Charon combo. not every ability works that way, some things do get cancelled while you dash

[zealous crag]

But my last run, I lucked into 15% cast speed from Hermes and 15% from Chaos on top of 30% from the sorceress, and even then it felt way too cluttered to land any actual cleave-casts.

[edgy nacelle]

on momus like you said you can dash while channeling cast, also
but for Charon you dash while channeling omega special

so usually tap cast, hold special, dash while holding it

[zealous crag]

Gotcha. I should be able to make something work, then.

I assume this means you can also dash while casting attack?

[edgy nacelle]

I think it depends on the specific weapon 🤷 for charon you don't really use attacks

for axe in general I believe that dashing while channeling Ωatk will activate the Ωatk as soon as you dash, but dashing while you're spinning around will cancel it unless you get the hammer upgrade "psychic whirlwind"

maybe just mess around in the training grounds a bit and see which attacks and specials let you dash during them

[zealous crag]

Thanks!

I think I also saw something about a bomb tank in the scylla fight? I might also try to take advantage of that.

Good night!

[median anvil]

what i did for my 62 was clear half the tentacles on one side then focus jetty and scylla

now i did have howling soul, but the execution should be the same

[wanton thorn]

Uuuuh so I did the cauldron thingy where now I can salute at the oath of the unseen and it "randomizes fate", what the hellie does that mean? I clicked it twice, I saw the gray die appear at the underworld and surface gates and idk what I just did 🤷‍♀️

[viral yew]

Rerolls the seed

[flint widget]

damageless scylla 65f woohoo

[turbid crescent]

scylla of all bosses is crazy, are you even human?

https://tenor.com/view/doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doomguy-gif-15980962764398322199

That is some doom slayer type stuff lol

[viral yew]

I've done 62 one hit (still mad about it)

[viral yew]

Peak mentioned holy

[tall notch]

I should try Mel skull 65 since it's mel skull week and i don't really feel like playing any of the aspects I've got left at 62 today

[manic shuttle]

I did 62f damageless roxy, jetty and charybdis 😛

[flint widget]

ok chronos time

ok ez

thats my second 65f uw done

[silent crow]

sssssxxccucssgcucusgcuuccucc'ycxxcuuuifffsgyghv

[sturdy knoll]

Agreed

[manic shuttle]

real

[turbid crescent]

anubis staff solos all skulls

legit getting more damage than my medea build

when I had aphro attack and zeus special

[viral yew]

No it doesn't

[turbid crescent]

it does

[viral yew]

Ares is better than aphro for medea

[flint widget]

well thats like, your opinion man

[viral yew]

I can tell you right now medea clears it, you need to play it better

[turbid crescent]

probably

I mean I can't aim so

[viral yew]

Anubis isn't even the highest damage staff

[turbid crescent]

yeah thats fs

circe my beloved

ok nvm I just had +130% omega damage on anubis

thats without dual moon tho

WHY ON EARTH do I never get cast boons when I play circe

[brisk basalt]

i just had a run on aspect of pan where i had trick knives, reaper knives, hestia special, level 28 zeus attack, zeus-hera-hestia-aphrodite with all 6 duo boons... and managed to lose bc im bad

im quite sure this will haunt me to the grave

[flint widget]

OH MY GOD I DID IT

24/24 62F CLEARS DONE BABY

[tall notch]

I'm saying specifically mel skull because it's aspect of the week in the speedrun discord

[flint widget]

nooooooooooooooooooooo

i almost won pan 62f without tk

[cloud vortex]

divine vengeance is a beast lol

[tall notch]

Revenge boons are really good in general, they proc on a lot of things that don't actually make you lose health

[cloud vortex]

if only the lightning chain boon didnt prime ur magik. i kinda use that a lot when im using the torches

[dreamy veldt]

Get Hestia gain and ezpz

[opal pecan]

It's good enough that it needs the chonky prime just so's it's not too ezgame haha

As is it's still not too bad, just gotta snabble some magick ups and a good gain boon (which you need on Turch ™ anyway)

[digital juniper]

yeah static shock is very much worth the 50 magick primed

[cloud vortex]

that’s fair

[dreamy veldt]

If it required a blood sacrifice too I would still take it

[lone quartz]

O rlly?

[opal pecan]

There are non-damaging attacks in the game, like the vacuum sucky dude's sucky move in Fields

Or if you get hit on your armor, that counts

[tall notch]

Add vow of fangs and you can be pulled around everywhere

[dreamy veldt]

Yknow that Charon well item where the next time you get hit you heal that amount instead of taking it

It was super cheap for me a couple runs ago so I took it, and you know what the next thing I got hit by was?

[tall notch]

Also does Nem still proc it if she bonks you during her encounter or have they changed that?

[dreamy veldt]

The broken pipe in oceanus

[opal pecan]

Lmao, it heals you for like 1hp?

[tall notch]

The explosion or the 1 damage tick

[dreamy veldt]

The 1 damage tick 💀

[fiery kraken]

I asked a week or two ago about what fear is comparable to 32 heat on hades 1. 40 fear definitely fits the bill. The challenge has been lots of fun

[dreamy veldt]

https://imgur.com/a/oXhVFcR

You should try 45f

[fiery kraken]

haha

I tried 67 fear just to see how many rooms I could survive, died 2nd room

[digital juniper]

yeah i’d say 40-45 sounds about right

[fiery kraken]

I really like the difficulty of 40 with jpom. jpom makes it so you can possibly try other viable god combos rather than trying to commit for a particular duo boon

[digital juniper]

for sure, jpom just makes a lot of stuff actually viable

[fiery kraken]

in a similar vein, I've really liked greater chaos above/below trials even though I suck at them

[digital juniper]

don’t let Escalier hear about it though, heard they really don’t like fate’s whim

[dreamy veldt]

Imagine a world of Heph blasts without jpom

You get to trigger it once a region

[opal pecan]

Yeah that's me, I uhhh absolutely l...lo.... uh

[unreal rose]

I love it when I take echo's dodge chance and I lose 20% of it because one of those thing vacuum me from the other side of my screen

[opal pecan]

Vacuuming you straight into a thornbush and like a bunch of other rando enemies :)

[median anvil]

ok this is funny but that was entirely your fault 😂

[orchid quest]

What are good boons for the skull?

[opal pecan]

Which aspect?

[orchid quest]

Melinoe

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah it was intentional lol

[median anvil]

mel can run anything on attack because the base power gives you plenty of damage

look out for a good gain boon in case you get possessed array from hammers

the special depends on the rest of your build, though you can never go wrong with zeus special

[opal pecan]

I once had Zeus attack on Mel skulls for the "dump your entire clip" spam, with Thermal Dynamics

Very one-button build

[dreamy veldt]

Oh hey momskull is now tied with Mel axe for my lost used

But I have 11 more clearance on momskull

[opal pecan]

Did you mean most used or least used

Because I could see autocorrect doing either of those to lost

[tall notch]

the clear numbers they're giving make me think it's not numbers of their least used aspect

actually let me check how many aspects ive even got 11 clears on

[dreamy veldt]

Lmao oops, most

[tall notch]

LMAO only 8 aspects where ive got more than 11

[opal pecan]

I mean https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280788714790322176/1450190544826535997/image.png?ex=6941a2b1&is=69405131&hm=ae1330ce671872379b72f89916afccfa0f02d8d70beaa860de8878181791b134&

I could imagine having, idk, 12/12 runs cleared on momskull and 1/12 runs cleared on Mel axe.

I could imagine disliking an aspect that much 😆

[dreamy veldt]

https://imgur.com/a/ovDP21n

[opal pecan]

Oh hot damn you got PERCENTAGES and COLORS

[dreamy veldt]

Lmao

[opal pecan]

It disturbs me excessively that Xinth's coloration is sort of orangey brown rather than black :P

This doesn't even show your clears smh

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/925113924855140417/1450191558182830090/image.png?ex=6941a3a2&is=69405222&hm=1a7d076f63027559cdf83ecf7d9ba4edeed28acb65d369249ae4ee23e46fe0c5& oops

[dreamy veldt]

Too much contrast makes it harder to read amh

300????

[opal pecan]

The Fear life huh

[dreamy veldt]

What in the world

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/925113924855140417/1450191700084654233/image.png?ex=6941a3c4&is=69405244&hm=665a9ff656d1a8f0714fdf434208f40474ecbd3aa54d12d6f764cff41642a59f& and 2nd page

[tall notch]

eos is really cool ok

[opal pecan]

Dat Mel axe clear rate whew (I agree)

[tall notch]

mel axe? more like mel ass

[opal pecan]

Bit surprised about Circe ngl, everyone's all on about how it's soooo safe

[dreamy veldt]

How many hours do you have in the game

[tall notch]

this is an EA save most of that is old circe

[opal pecan]

Ahhh, makes sense

[tall notch]

1064.8 rn

[dreamy veldt]

SHEEEESH

I have 265

[tall notch]

in fact momus would only have like 1-2 clears if not for patch 1 momus

escalier you saw patch 1 momus right

[opal pecan]

Naw this is operating off osmosis only. I refused to download the game until 1.0

[tall notch]

you may have more clears than i do still, im allergic to clearing

my Mel kinda just chills in Erebus or goes to a Scylla concert most nights

[dreamy veldt]

I play on 0f so perhaps

[opal pecan]

You should activate one (1) random vow just for kicks

[tall notch]

my randomiser rolled void so just crank that one up and keep the rest off

[dreamy veldt]

I've had my fill of fear already

After I did the champions night thing I was like ok yeah never again

[opal pecan]

You were halfway there to some metric verse! "I've had my fill of fear already, run my race and paid the price / so set me free to breathe the heady fumes of idle fun and vice"

[median anvil]

jesse what are you talking about

[opal pecan]

Ulteya happened to say a line of tetrameter 🤷

[dreamy veldt]

That sounds cool

[orchid quest]

:(

I've never lost to chronos with mel axe

[dreamy veldt]

How is that even possible lol

Well I guess you didn't say you've never lost with it, just that you've never lost to Chronos with it

Nvm

[median anvil]

mel axe is hard to use but it's quite good

[dreamy veldt]

I love Mel axe

[orchid quest]

No I've never lost with any other weapon

[dreamy veldt]

You've never lost in Hades 2?

[orchid quest]

Not against chronos

[opal pecan]

They're just built different

[dreamy veldt]

Ok yeah that was what I was misunderstanding

Thought you were saying you have a 100% win rate from your first run

[orchid quest]

Oh nah

[unreal rose]

Eris is here to ensure that never happens lol

[orchid quest]

Took 30 nights before I won against either Typhon or chronos

Scylla and Eris were both hard for me

[dreamy veldt]

I randomly beat Scylla on the first try

But lost to Hecate like 20 times first

[unreal rose]

Found Scylla hard to understand because you have 3 attack patterns to memorize

[dreamy veldt]

I got a power up from listening to their catchy music

Time for level 14 epic Apollo dash

Rn it's 48%

Now it's 74% lmao

Wish I had any other speed boosting things

Nitro boost acquired

[tall notch]

I've never lost to rivals chronos with mel axe too to be fair (I ragequit at sirens the last time I tried playing that weapon)

[digital juniper]

i never died at 67f

(i also have never played it)

[orchid quest]

I cannot give advice about rivals sirens cause I've never played them but going for the percussionist is always good

[median anvil]

roxy is actually low priority in UR sirens

[dreamy veldt]

Playing h1, which weapon should I play

Oh yikes my L button is broken and that's the reload button

I don't remember these room options that require a certain heat

Also divine dash my beloved

Wow this reflect feels active for ten years

[orchid quest]

also for axe use Aphrodite attack and demeter cast
hephestus can be good to avoid as much damage as possible

[orchid quest]

#h1-discussion

[opal pecan]

FWIW I think the issue here is less that Coldshade doesn't know how to play axe and more that Coldshade (like an inexplicable number of people in this chat) enjoys playing the game with a bazillion Fear on at all times

To each our own fhdhjdhj

[dreamy veldt]

It's been a minute since I've had a good Mel axe run

Maybe I'll reset spam to get Demeter and Aphrodite

[opal pecan]

The question is, do you want to have a Mel axe run of any description

[dreamy veldt]

Lol yeah I love Mel axe

[opal pecan]

Then godspeed 🫡 You thinking FW for that reset spam or

[dreamy veldt]

Anything that enables me to get bigger numbers I like

Yeah fw gonna use ephyra

Sorry h1 run your time is up

[dreamy veldt]

I lied

Ok now for the Mel axe run

Main goal is to get Demeter Aphrodite duo

Heph as third god would also be appreciated

First reward Aphrodite we're pogging

Heph second pog

[dreamy veldt]

421 hp going into eris

[dreamy veldt]

Lol got offered three sacrifice boons at once, never seen that before

[edgy nacelle]

denial moment?

[broken spoke]

Sounds like denial moment

[dreamy veldt]

Ended with 566 hp, did 103k with attacks

And no

[copper stag]

Anyone have any aspect of Charon recommendations? Just unlocked it

[edgy nacelle]

charon loves apollo in general!
apollo gain, special, cast, and secondary cast boons are all great.
poseidon is also a very good pick, for cast and geyser spout mainly.
demeter and ares also have some good Ωcast related boons, and Hera is a solid pick

if you're using rerolls and god keepsakes then I'd start with Apollo and aim to get his special and gain, then try to fish for Poseidon

the giga cleaver hammer and apollo legendary are both very very good for Charon, and let you get off two Ωcast explosions with just one Ωspecial input. sudden cleaver is the other good hammer

[copper stag]

Thank you, so poseidons cast over Apollo’s?

[edgy nacelle]

either one works
a lot of casts work tbh, ares and heph work fine too, just avoid zeus and hestia

[viral yew]

Apollo cast is good, you just want geyser spout

[copper stag]

After I get apollos special and gain, what am I hoping to get from Poseidon?

Ok

[edgy nacelle]

the main thing you want from poseidon is geyser spout, but that boon only opens up if you already have a cast

[copper stag]

Oh ok

[edgy nacelle]

so it can be nice to grap poseidon cast, it's less damage than apollo's but has a non-apollo status curse (which can be nice)

[viral yew]

Two big ones are lucid gain and geyser spout

[edgy nacelle]

imo the third best god is demeter, arctic gale is great for origination and local climate is great for damage

but it's rly apollo and poseidon and then whatever you luck into

[copper stag]

Good to know

Thank you

[analog quail]

any tips for rivals eris? her dodge-laser feels like i have no way of knowing where she'll slide to and i cant seem to blow up or avoid the bombs consistently

[alpine raft]

try to always be on top of her, if you're on her back when she shoots its hard to get hit. she will try to pop the bubbles if you dont, but its better to remove them yourself asap to have more space. which aspect are you struggling to pop them with?

[analog quail]

coat and axe mostly, the rest are just a clear skill issue if i miss with a normal projectile

i also have no idea what to do with coat reg special in general, it feels like a pool noodle

[alpine raft]

axe can reach them safely with the first hit of attack, coat you gotta aim a normal special

[alpine raft]

flat damage and curses

[viral yew]

Pretty much yeah, on coat and axe I line up the bombs so that she blows them up and they chain react

[analog quail]

no i mean to make it actually fire where i want it to fire

they seem to be deathly afraid of actually hitting anything i might aim for

[viral yew]

O special locks it on but regular specials do what they want unless you're really close

[alpine raft]

you can lock on to eris bombs?

[analog quail]

ok so there really is just no trick to make them go where i want 😭 very odd weapon

[alpine raft]

well they usually always fly to enemies

[viral yew]

I meant in general

[viral yew]

Pretty much

[alpine raft]

playing momus, offered a +50% omega damage from with my archaic seal after sirens, but not enough to buy it. rare gold purse angle

[dreamy veldt]

I feel like coat regular special is like the pickiest hitbox in the game

If you blink it'll fly right past the enemy

[south crystal]

For the Dressed to Kill achievement, should I keep the Sash for all 4 areas, or should I dom Hephaestus/Fig Leaf at some point?

[opal pecan]

If you're playing without Fates' Whim, Heph is definitely a highly valuable take. (Unless you luck into Heph for your god pool anyway, I guess.)

[south crystal]

I am playing with Fates whim (is this a mistake)?

Probably a mistake, now that I think about it, I am prolly not picking the pom…

[vernal quiver]

Its fine, if anything youll end up stronger and with more build variety

Jpom is easily the strongest keepsake in the game since free +4 on everything makes whatever work

And for heph specifically he becomes much higher value support and dps

[opal pecan]

No, I wouldn't say so. It's a tradeoff with reasonable arguments for either choice in this particular scenario.

[south crystal]

So do I still take Heph in my current situation?

[opal pecan]

If you want to play with FW, I would suggest something like JPom Erebus, Sash Oceanus, your choice for the rest

[south crystal]

Ok, thanks

[south crystal]

Got it on first try. It’s funny how much harder Chronos is than the other underworld bosses, I got there with 130ish armour and lost it in the first phase

[tawny imp]

Chat Circe removed frenzy

This might be the shiva f40

[south crystal]

She almost always seems to remove Menace for me. Really annoying since it is by far the easiest vow (after the first two time vows’

[tawny imp]

Look if I had time 3 on (which I always do even on low fear atp) and she removes time I’m not complaining

[south crystal]

I sleepwalk through time 2 but for some reason can’t manage time 3 on the surface. Olympus can be a problem

[opal pecan]

Yep, way fewer ways to shorten the region.

[broken spoke]

Add birb into encounters because fk you

[south crystal]

The fig leaf and the gorgon amulet are close to each other and have similar hues. Why would I care, do you ask? I just accidentally selected the amulet instead of the leaf, and I had 4 death defiances at the time. Sigh

This also made me lose all the Zagreus upgrades I had left (and Gigaros Dash)

[plain palm]

Ah if you mess up choosing a keepsake you can go back to the menu then go back to your save file

Unless you chose Experimental Hammer

[forest hinge]

I've been awakened to Storm Ring Circe

200k cast dmg at end of Summit lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936359276119736443/1450378313083392108/image.png?ex=69425190&is=69410010&hm=add0cafbb9eb98a0fc195a8448d78853b95cc462fc2b6e22c77208def6439efc&

i couldn't get any Froth until zone3, so idk if diverting to Poseidon keepsake was worth it or not

[mighty bridge]

what cards should i pick for a judgement preset? i genuenly have no clue except for furies and origination.

[spark crown]

persistance

then strength or death is good

then 3rd card of choice

[mighty bridge]

alright gonna try that out

[spark crown]

i recommend furies or rerolls if you dont fates whim

if you fates whim you wont roll rerolls at all

[mighty bridge]

i almost never get any use out of rerolls and judgement already feels like im handing over myself to rng

might as well commit to it lol

[spark crown]

real

[frail locust]

game really hates me

every time I try to go for Ares, no matter what, something goes wrong OR I don't get the legendary 😭

[oblique hazel]

i have an excellent suggestion

[frail locust]

what is it because

[austere trail]

Excellence lol

[frail locust]

I did start running Excellence

but only like 3 runs in so far

[oblique hazel]

arent the blue boons so nice

[austere trail]

I'm blue daba dee

[frail locust]

it needs me to take off what

hermes and achilles arcana cards

and my 3 cost of choice between night and daedelus

I don't miss daedelus all that much on surface

[oblique hazel]

artificer is way less useful on surface but whenever i play underworld without it it makes me so sad 💔

[frail locust]

imo

[oblique hazel]

personally i just turn off boatman because its overrated imo

[frail locust]

I did notice yesterday that sinec I am a greedy goblin and I take every extra room on the surface

so I can actually use artificier there

but its still luck based to see if you get something you can transform.

[oblique hazel]

i'm too timer 3 brained to take ephyra side rooms

also i kinda dont play surface lol

[frail locust]

It used to really make timer 3 painful for me but

recently I always manage to do all regions under 4 minutes

I will say that its evil that 7 minutues results in a lot of time, while 5 is always semi tight especially with rivals

if it was 6 minutes, it would be %1000 times easier

[split igloo]

Surface is too annoying for me to enjoy lol

I only go there just for the boss

The enemies arent fun

They are ridilicious tanky and hard to dodge for some reason

I struggle to find builds for them

[broken spoke]

5 min make it a real vow

[frail locust]

if Eris didn't exist, I would enjoy surface a lot more

[oblique hazel]

wdym you dont enjoy getting sniped from across the room for 20 a hit by armored auto enforcers

[frail locust]

I just hate her so much. She has too many invincibility

[split igloo]

Eris normally is easy

The moment you had vow of rivals she becomes a nightmare

[oblique hazel]

eris is allowed to do whatever she wants because shes the best

[split igloo]

The laser hurts alot and its pretty unpredictable

She either swipe the laser from the side or shoot directly at you

[frail locust]

I think rivals does make her hard, but I just hate her fight conceptually.

[split igloo]

It kind of fits her personality

[frail locust]

she teleports randomly, goes invincible like 8 times, flies and whatever

[split igloo]

The fight is just as annoying as the character herself

[frail locust]

its not fun man

I will also admit that I haven't actually learned how to deal with the things she puts onto the ground in rivals. Idk how to explode them

[split igloo]

Tbh she would have been fine if she doesnt just run away every second

Even if u can dodge the attacks, that move makes the fight way too long

[broken spoke]

Atk them

[frail locust]

I find it funny how she and Hecate just wastes so much time

[frail locust]

don't they explode when you do that

do you gotta ranged attack them

[broken spoke]

Yes, use range

Coat probably has most problems

[split igloo]

The sheep spell whole existence is just to spite you

[frail locust]

I legit can't dodge it half the time still.

[split igloo]

Tbh trying to dodge it sometimes get u hit more often so may aswell just tank it and wait it out

[frail locust]

thats one of the things that I thought about and curious because

if you try to dodge, you have a chance to fail AND waste even more time so its ???
and you have to spend time dodging so its like low reward high risk for no reason
should have based the duration on how long the sphere has been out or something at least.

[alpine raft]

tanking it is silly, the only way youll get better at dodging it is by trying

[split igloo]

I think the best way is dodge it in straight line

You dodge straight at it and repeat

[split igloo]

Good thing her attacks doesnt hurt too much considering you are really slow in that form

Meanwhile cyclops just doesnt care and shred you

[frail locust]

oh, I hate the Zag fight too

[manic shuttle]

frigid rush slows the sheep ball

[frail locust]

mostly because I go for it for no reason each time

and thendie because Zag deals like 80 damage to my 60 hp health bar

[split igloo]

I have yet to get to him and idk how do I even get to the level lol

[frail locust]

randomly pops up in mid region shops.

[split igloo]

So its kinda like Charon where u can fight him sometimes

[frail locust]

its been so long since I played hades 1 that

[split igloo]

I thought its suppose to be stage after chronos tbh considering I spot that one circle in the top part of the level transition

[frail locust]

I legit don't remember the game all that well

[oblique hazel]

the 62 grind was fun i wanna do another aspect

[median anvil]

excellent choice

which weapon are you interested in

[oblique hazel]

idk, i like everything thats not charon, nergal or skulls

[median anvil]

you can try circe or mel staff

if you want to do more torch, moros is also strong

[tall notch]

Nyx
Nyx
Nyx

[digital juniper]

i think Coldshade likes Nyx idk tho

[oblique hazel]

ik this is the most annoying response possible but i wanna do something a little more interesting

[digital juniper]

then i’d suggest Charon, nergal or skulls

[oblique hazel]

[tall notch]

How about Nyx

[oblique hazel]

i will never say no to playing coat

[digital juniper]

what was your first 62 with?

[median anvil]

nyx was also my second 62 lol

[median anvil]

eos, it's in victory boasting

[oblique hazel]

eos my goat

[digital juniper]

next do the better torches aspect (moros)

[oblique hazel]

wow its like eos but its more dangerous and uses more magick

(moros is alright but ive had enough of torch omega specials for now lol)

[hollow briar]

Might I recommend Mel Blades or perhaps Morrigan

The Coats are fun too but lowkey they’re too strong (other than Shiva due to its Aspect getting overall demolished by Wards) for me to feel like they’re ‘interesting’ in the traditional sense at 62F LOL

Like, we’re talking reliably winstreaking with JPom Mel Coat

[digital juniper]

it’s like eos but does even more damage

[oblique hazel]

lmao im not quite good enough yet for anything to be too easy at 62 fear watching vyt's shiva 67f makes me wanna use it though

[hollow briar]

Yeah, it’s… it’s interesting. I really liked the old Shiva for higher Fear but current one feels kinda meh (for me) without Siege Frame

But yeh, won’t say not to go for it if that strikes your fancy lol

[tall notch]

Morrigan feels so bad to me how do y'all enjoy it? Attack keeps me too immobile compared to even other blades and the special is nigh-unusable

[austere trail]

Anubis

[oblique hazel]

tried shiva, turns out i was not built for this

[austere trail]

I'm not sure what Fear you're at, but I basically just Triad spam. My playstyle is: drop cast, special, hold attack and repeat

[oblique hazel]

the dashing in between attack combo tech is sooo hard to pull off while actually playing lol

[digital juniper]

are you dash attacking?

[oblique hazel]

ok i think i wanna do 62 nyx next, seems like a cool aspect thats a little more deliberate than mel coat while not nearly as hard to use as shiva lol

[tall notch]

Yeah

[hollow briar]

Mostly just engaging with it as intended. Cycling OAttack, Attack, and Spesh

I didn’t have a blast doing that up until the run I beat 62F, so it was largely just brute-forcing this like, Morrigan agenda for half a dozen attempts LOL

It’s also just a matter of Aspect enjoyment at base, I think. I largely hate the feel of Medea and the Axes where quite a few people love ‘em, so could just be one of those things

[flint widget]

sub 15 62f woohoo

[digital juniper]

hmm yeah i’m no morrigan expert but dash attacking is what made it feel not clunky to me

but i fully agree the special is hot ass

it’s basically a triad button or orig button if needed

[split igloo]

Funny how we have a literal fighter jet in a greek mythology themed game out of all things

[flint widget]

supay

[split igloo]

I wonder if there is any bad aspect in this game?

[viral yew]

All aspects have been used for 62f

[flint widget]

not really tbh

all aspects are good but some are better than others

[split igloo]

Atleast everything is well balanced

[viral yew]

Except for selene

[split igloo]

Moon water is so overpowered its not even funny

[oblique hazel]

the way i see it, theres a few bad aspects in the game but theres no bad weapons. aspects like artemis blades and selene coat are pretty bad but even at their worst theyre still built on strong foundations. momus' omega turrets arent super useful at higher fear but at the end of the day its a staff, and a staff on its own can get you through most everything this game can throw at you lol

[flint widget]

true

[split igloo]

I take that back

I mistaken it for the god herself

[flint widget]

moon water sucks ngl

[split igloo]

Atleast a aspect that doesnt work for you can still function well

[oblique hazel]

moon water is incredible dw, we're all just so used to high fear in here that we've forgotten what its like to play without vow of scars

[split igloo]

I always play with decent amount of fear because no fear felt too easy lol

[flint widget]

ur right

im too high fear pilled

so high fear pilled that 62f is fun fear for me

[oblique hazel]

some day ill get there

[viral yew]

Moon water is one of the worst hexes

I hate hexes in general so I can't say much

[oblique hazel]

even scars 2 turns moon water from an s tier hex into a d tier hex its kinda crazy

[glass bone]

With Scars 2/3 there is also the magick regen and gold, but I don’t think it’s enough to be chosen over something like Twilight Curse, or Night Bloom.

[flint widget]

and i hope to see u get there

[split igloo]

Selene boon in general felt underpowered. Especially offensive hex

The one that is more usable is utility stuff

[viral yew]

EXACTLY

I don't mind wolf howl and the morph one

But the others suck

[split igloo]

Morph my beloved

[flint widget]

night bloom isn't that bad

[split igloo]

Is it the one that makes u invincible?

[flint widget]

allies

[split igloo]

Probably the only usable offensive hex I know of

Since even in boss they are usable for passive damage

Alot of them spawn minions

[oblique hazel]

i dont wanna put too much shade on offensive hexes considering total eclipse carried tf out of my first 62f clear but generally they feel sooo bad unless youre centering your whole build around them, and even then you have to get lucky with the upgrade tree and nodes

[flint widget]

true

[oblique hazel]

night bloom root stalker in rivals chronos

[broken spoke]

Total eclipse+pyro technique is so much damage

[flint widget]

id also say dark side also cuz invincibility is op

[viral yew]

Problem is you have to get there first

[flint widget]

plus aphro godsent and oh boy ur damage is popping off

ah if only sgg removed the heartthrob limit

[split igloo]

The prometheus cheese

[broken spoke]

Yea, basically hex problem

[flint widget]

but can we all agree that skyfall is the worst hex

[broken spoke]

Apollo godsent melt boss, but you need to get the point for it melt boss

[split igloo]

It just exists ig

[flint widget]

if it wasn't stuck to only selene maybe it would be good but eh

imagine skyfall on aspects that use omegas a lot

[split igloo]

Torch moment

[oblique hazel]

i think its not as horrendous as its made out to be. as a coat aspect its really unfortunate but if you get ferocity its such insane boss damage that its worth at least a little respect imo

[flint widget]

true

it's just that compared to the other hexes peaks it's dookie

[oblique hazel]

i should do selene 62 next and become a part of the selene coat cult following lowkey

[digital juniper]

only one that this doesn’t apply to is twilight curse tbh, actually goated even at base

[flint widget]

exactly

[oblique hazel]

wolf howl too right?

[digital juniper]

i consider wolf howl a defensive hex but yea

[split igloo]

Its funnily enough also good agaisnt bosses since it reveals their location offscreen while making their minions useless

[oblique hazel]

id call twilight curse defensive ngl, utility at most

[flint widget]

wolf howl is basically free tranquil gain proc and dodge right

[split igloo]

I think its pure utility

[digital juniper]

i think of it more as “i get to output more damage because i can bum rush enemies”

but yeah utility is probably the correct term

[split igloo]

I wonder if cyclops will eat morphed enemies considering they are sheeps?

[oblique hazel]

"hey enemies" and they are sheeps 😭😭😭😭

[split igloo]

I think I remember him saying "thats not a sheep"

[flint widget]

why cant mel sheep herself so that poly can eat her and then she can turn herself back into a human and kill poly from the inside? is she stupid?

[split igloo]

I doubt it will end well considering you only knock him out at worst and thats when u fire thousand of missile at his face

[flint widget]

she can just return to shadow if things go wrong

and then she can try again

[split igloo]

Cant go wrong with that line 👍

[digital juniper]

vegito vs buu type beat

[dreamy veldt]

LMAO

I think that should become the first pinned message here

[flint widget]

someone get the mods over here to pin ts

[median anvil]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide

@indigo walrus heya, can yall consider pinning this? I've seen people asking for it and it's generally pretty handy

[bronze flax]

How does the "Tremor" upgrade from Wolf Howl work? Does it apply the sprint boost to the enemies in the impact area?

[opal pecan]

Boost?

[fiery kraken]

trying for 40 fear on all weapons. coat is by far my weakest

any suggestions on places to start? I find my attacks to be too small ball (even with on hit effects)

and the o special too slow to reliably do a lot of damage

[opal pecan]

Your attacks are fast. It's fine if they're individually small. (Though they're not even that small, it's around the same base power as a skull.)

[fiery kraken]

current tactic typically is drop cast, and start punching (shifting behind them)

[opal pecan]

Are you dash striking?

[fiery kraken]

yes

[bronze flax]

I meant Sprint boon

It's going to be so hype the day I learn to read what I wrote

[opal pecan]

Just wanted to make sure cos idt it applies Nyx sprint boost

[flint widget]

spam regular special, get an on hit effect on the special and ez game

[fiery kraken]

regular special? I do a lot of tapping it while I'm attacking, but haven't really seen it do much

are we trying to block things regularly?

[opal pecan]

As long as you involve it while you're attacking that should be fine

[flint widget]

nah just spam special

[opal pecan]

No, definitely do not block things regularly

[fiery kraken]

and is there an aspect that works better?

[opal pecan]

For what?

[flint widget]

personally i dont really attack while using coat unless rocket targeting is cheeks

[opal pecan]

Aren't you also the torch special spam guy

[flint widget]

yeah

[opal pecan]

Check(mate)s out

[flint widget]

i mean can u blame me

[opal pecan]

Yes

[fiery kraken]

my last run had static shock + posiedent attack + air quality and I still barely cleared 32 fear (nearly ran out of time)

[flint widget]

special spam is goated on torches

especially if u have hidden helix

[opal pecan]

What vows, what arcana

[fiery kraken]

I felt like that was about the best it could have been so I'm wondering if I'm missing something

[flint widget]

same thing with coat with shimmering

[fiery kraken]

vows: the ones that don't slow - no +%damage, +hordes, +shields

no -cash

[opal pecan]

Wards is honestly not that much of a slowdown if you're playing coat. -Cash is free if you run Boatman and Time Piece.

If you're doing, like, max rivals instead, yeah, that's gonna take longer.

[fiery kraken]

rivals 3

what is the site that allows you to input vows/arcana and get a link?

[opal pecan]

Vows: https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator
Arcana: https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck

[fiery kraken]

Vows look something like this: https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDIsNSwwLDAsMiwwLDMsMCwxLDIsOF0=

[opal pecan]

You can absolutely do Hubris 2 on coat, extremely free

When were you running out of time? (also Return is a slowdown vow ftr)

[fiery kraken]

Arcana something like this (not sure about the bottom right): https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck

jpom overworld start, but can do underworld too

I was nearly out of time at both region 3 and 4

[opal pecan]

Underworld is objectively easier (but jpom is good for both)

UW would also probably solve your time problem, since region 3 is way faster UW

[fiery kraken]

3 because I was really close to death and needed to be a lot more careful, 4 I just didn't have enough damage to kill typhon while dodging things

and I foudn rooms in region 4 just took a lot more punching

[opal pecan]

If you really want to keep running Surface, taking Rivals down to 2 would probably help a little with that and also save you some time buffer for Summit; you can bump Hubris and Debt to make up the Fear deficit.

[median anvil]

if you're timing out with timer2 you're definitely just playing too slow

[fiery kraken]

hard to get to 40 on rivals 2

[fiery kraken]

yes, I recognize that, thus the question

this is probably the 40? https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwyLDYsMCwzLDIsNSwyLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsOF0=

[digital juniper]

that’s 42 but yeah extremely solid setup

[fiery kraken]

oh!

scars 0 maybe?

[digital juniper]

scars 0 would make for the easiest time probably yeah

[fiery kraken]

eternity vs. artificer for arcana? I guess if I'm hubris 2 I go artificer and just magic light

[digital juniper]

eternity in most cases isn’t needed at all, definitely artificer

and you can absolutely still use magick with hubris 2, just that you need to plan more around it/be more mindful

but for coat unless you’re running shiva, you’re not going to be using many omegas anyway

[opal pecan]

My main concern would be "let's make sure I have enough magick left to prime on purpose for things like Static Shock and High Surf" heheh

[digital juniper]

or simply accept overpriming and play magickless🫡

my goat static shock deserves it

[fiery kraken]

base aspect is good for this? Other aspects seem to require more magic to use their "bonus"