h2-builds-and-combat

[dreamy veldt]

These days I feel like attack special is more important than dash on supay

I use it for less committal life steal

[digital heron]

Can someone recommend a good Staff build / playstyle, I kinda suck with it 😔 (Any aspect except the secret one, which I have yet to unlock)

[glass bone]

Sure. Mel Staff wants Blitz Attack, % Special

[fierce citrus]

It’s always blitz’s attack or blitz special but never thunder rush or ionic gain 💔

[hollow stag]

Circe, Zeus

[vernal quiver]

Ik im late but
Mel: blitz atk and a % on special,ignore omega and aim for dual moonshot
Circe: same thing as mel but use raki/gale and aim for zeus/hestia cast
Momus: pick an omega and go
Anubis: on hit atk and big% special

[limpid spear]

bro your name tag change 💀

actually, if you've made it past sirens then you are the 2nd weakest 67f player as I still have not

[viral yew]

Is the jump between 65 and 67 that bad?

[limpid spear]

how to compare?
hm like going from 0 fear to 62 fear

that's just totally made up random comparion by me just now.

it's unbelievably harder though for real.
the thing about 65s is that they are just 62 that start out bad, and suffer from more rng. by the time you get to final region you basically have a full Arcana deck,

Whereas 67 you have 0 Arcana. it's almost like fresh file first run trying to beat the game at 62 fear

[broken spoke]

At least your aspect is fully upgraded

[viral yew]

Yeah I can imagine it's insane if only a few people have beaten it compared to the relative mass of 62 clears

[broken spoke]

Wait until vow of rust, aspect level are capped

[viral yew]

70 fear

[limpid spear]

yea, consider foolish has the only surface 67, and vytautas is the only person to 67 more than one weapon. it's just a whole different world

[viral yew]

I always compare myself to them and feel bad until I realise how absolutely insane it is

[vernal quiver]

Ive made it to 2nd phase sirens 🥀

[vernal quiver]

It really is just get your build done in the first 4 rooms, pray for room and npc rng, and hope you dont mess up a single time

Which is a crazy ask no matter how good you are

So many good starts can get shafted by terrible rooms or evil fangs setup or a couple too little npcs

And losing arcana you lose furies, huntress, origination so you have like actually no damage without the crazy starting luck

The trinkets you end up taking are also like a "just play perfect lmao" kinda take

[fierce citrus]

if you play 65 the only vow not turned on is return does that count as a 67?

well i just died to non rivals hecate on 5 fear

[silent crow]

dude what are you doing 💔

[fierce citrus]

its 14 fear but time dosent count

i was using antler

i just wanna get chant man chaos dislikes me

[vernal quiver]

Area 1 antler 🥀

[fierce citrus]

im leveling it up

besides im never gonna use it lol

[silent crow]

lie

[fierce citrus]

i dont really have any motivation to speedrun

and im not gonna use it on my 65 fear runs

62*

ok hold up wth

i had 3 gods aphro zeus posiden then i bought hera from the shop so travel deal activated then it offered my heph

didnt know that could happen

[opal pecan]

I think someone mentioned it as part of the "god pool limit breaker" scenario recently

[fierce citrus]

omg

finally

i got chant i can start 62

[fierce citrus]

are there and other scenarios that causes that?

[opal pecan]

I think they might have mentioned something about Hermes shrines, idr the full (very convoluted) scenario

But also like, if you haven't picked a fourth god yet, you could theoretically luck into the shop offering you god X or Y and then one of the doors is god Z, I think?

And you buy both and take door Z

[fierce citrus]

but hermes mystery bags cant give you a god you havnt picked yet

[fierce citrus]

oh yea thats happened to me before

ill have 3 one shows in the shop and another new one on a door

[opal pecan]

But like, usually it's not something you would want to do on purpose

[fierce citrus]

yea 100 percent

[opal pecan]

[traumatic flashbacks to trying to fish for one (1) loadbearing boon from one (1) god and not getting it]

[fierce citrus]

it happened to me once and i thought i only had 2 gods then relised after i now have 5

[opal pecan]

Tangentially but not entirely unrelatedly, I started on Persephone attempts today and IDK if it's just luck or if I somehow am even worse at playing/building Persephone than I am at Mel skulls lmfao

Obviously the "fishing for X and never getting it" runs are luck but besides those :P

[edgy nacelle]

hello chat, I am returning (with a heavy heart) to the blades 62 mines 😔

armed with everything a guy could need—half a cup of lukewarm coffee I forgot to finish this morning, ennui, and the tail end of the mystery illness which has been making me sleepy all week
so wish me luck lmao

[fierce citrus]

i just got chant im finishing the run and gonna start 62

[fierce citrus]

oh no hopefully you get better

[edgy nacelle]

it's been going on for like a week, it's not too bad it's just been annoying, very lethargic feeling

but, getting better day by day I think! was sick for my bday annoyingly, but. eh. I'll live lol

[fierce citrus]

oh damn thats unlucky as hell

when was it?

[edgy nacelle]

the 25th!

[edgy nacelle]

also was this for a prophecy or something else, ik you've been fishing for chaos lately but I think I missed why

[viral yew]

Oh my god happy birthday I completely forgot

[fierce citrus]

omg metallic droplet just made me go intop the insta kill lmao

[fierce citrus]

oh didnt know lol happy late birthday

[fierce citrus]

prophecy now ive completed all minor propehcies

[edgy nacelle]

thank you!! and no worries lol it was a very boring day, was mostly just sick in bed

[edgy nacelle]

hell yeah
achievements done too now?

[fierce citrus]

yea all thats left is that guy that wants to much kudos

ive got all the decorations as well

[viral yew]

Long arm mf?

[opal pecan]

Please obtain medical attention, sick man

[fierce citrus]

omg i need to buy all the music discs as well

that is alot wth

[dreamy veldt]

Someone read my coming story conversation and then transmit that experience to my memory without making me have to process information

[fierce citrus]

6 more songs then im done

well time to start 62 fear

[flint widget]

what weapon u running

[fierce citrus]

medea gale

[flint widget]

mmmm

good choice

[fierce citrus]

i was gonna do moros but idk 55 took me 53 attempts lol

[viral yew]

Interesting

[fierce citrus]

isent it the best choice lol

[flint widget]

exactly

[viral yew]

It's hella dangerous

[fierce citrus]

persistence strength origination

judgment obviously

[fierce citrus]

yea ill get used to it

the queen is also on so thats cool

[edgy nacelle]

I mean you're doing void > return at 62 fear so I can't pretend to have like. any input at all on the meta choices for that

[viral yew]

Not even running death

[vernal quiver]

Why are you doing void3 at 62 😭 just play return bro please

Or is it void 2

[fierce citrus]

2

[fierce citrus]

well same same

[viral yew]

What can you say except good luck atp lmfao

[fierce citrus]

question is what costume do i put on gale

[vernal quiver]

Everywhere i go i see metal type fear choices

[flint widget]

wait he's running void 3!?

[junior trail]

hypnos obv
or nightmareish if ur an edgelord

[fierce citrus]

uh i know possesed array is pretty good

[flint widget]

bro

[fierce citrus]

2

if i run 3 i could probably take scars off that would be smart

[edgy nacelle]

"return hater" username strikes again

[flint widget]

theres no way

[viral yew]

Don't talk bad about my goat

[fierce citrus]

yea i was gonna put olympic

[silent crow]

do you guys have an allergy to playing the game slightly differently that you would rather comically debuff yourself

[fierce citrus]

ill stick to hypno

[flint widget]

we got another void 2 player in the house

[vernal quiver]

They are beloved by all here dont get me wrong, just strange fear choices 🥀

[fierce citrus]

debuff is so much more funner

dont forgot this is surface as well

[flint widget]

bro hit bnb ez game

[silent crow]

you know what you're doing someone already did this bit before its not funny

😼

[fierce citrus]

turning on all the fears is so fun

besides return obviously

[edgy nacelle]

the strange fear choices are part of what gives metal icon status <3

[vernal quiver]

Tbf i think if I turned off return for a 65f id have so much more fun

[fierce citrus]

question before i start is circe keepsake viable in second region over chrolex?

[silent crow]

i onl,y remember metal for putting 60f in their user tag while losing at 32's

[fierce citrus]

you will

[vernal quiver]

Having to chase the little balls is so obnoxious and wastes so much time

[fierce citrus]

its not even a time save its just so annoying using it

[vernal quiver]

But now the 32 hurdle has been crossed

[viral yew]

They were doing it out of spite

[vernal quiver]

My goat will clear 60f trust, maybe even 67

[viral yew]

My victory was avenging both of us

[fierce citrus]

yea after i think like 150 attempts

[fierce citrus]

his gonna clear 67 before me trust

i dont think ill ever attempt 67 tbh

65 yea but i draw the line at that

[vernal quiver]

Bro is gonna clear 67f before me atp 😭

[silent crow]

"spite" and its the ingame equivalent of leaving the group chat after you get made fun of

[fierce citrus]

55 took me like 2 weeks i think

no maybe a week and a half

[viral yew]

Literally lmfao I only think he cleared 40f

[vernal quiver]

Isn't your 65 just gonna be return-less only 🥀

[fierce citrus]

53 attempts this is gonna break my mental

[fierce citrus]

yes

[vernal quiver]

Just do 67f atp twin 🥀

[fierce citrus]

theres so much new games ive seen i want to play but im not going to be shackled to 62

[silent crow]

have you tried turning on return

[fierce citrus]

might as well have said go chop your own head off

[fierce citrus]

i played with return on 40 for the first attempt

i lose turned it off then won

then i beat 45 and 50 on my first tries

[flint widget]

sand has a point

[dreamy veldt]

Got a duo before first boss pog

[fierce citrus]

well ima start now dont wish my luck theres no point its the first run lol

[viral yew]

You never know my first attempt at 62 made it to p3

[fierce citrus]

ok since im kinda new to medea percentage specials arent all that right

like scorch on the special is pretty good right

[silent crow]

theyre decent

[fierce citrus]

alright

[flint widget]

*first attempt at 62 in a long while

[fierce citrus]

i forgot im playing denial it took away cardio gain

[silent crow]

my first attempt at 62 made it to p2

[flint widget]

my first attempt at 62 couldn't get past erebus

[fierce citrus]

see i could easily get past ephyra but theres a zeus boon behind a mini boss door

its so tempting

im not gonna do it though its behind the guy with the annoying shield

[viral yew]

No my first actual attempt at 62 made it to p3 months ago

Mind you I'd just cleared 60

[dreamy veldt]

Almost just randomly died in like second room of Thessaly

No particular reason I just kinda took 65 damage somehow

[viral yew]

I almost died in ephyra at 40f the other day

[fierce citrus]

well i died

[viral yew]

Surface just gets ya sometimes

[fierce citrus]

uh run it back that dont count

[vernal quiver]

Thessaly and Olympus are my opps

[fierce citrus]

theres was 4 of those house type enemies and they had the laser perk

[viral yew]

Realll

[vernal quiver]

Idgaf abt the bosses its the damn ads

[fierce citrus]

your never having a good run until you pass the rift

olympus is annoying yea but even if my runs amazing it can end instantly in rift

[vernal quiver]

Then boom big vacuume dracons ruin your day

[fierce citrus]

oo life tax

[vernal quiver]

Or like 10 auto turret guys all with extra spd and damage fangs

[viral yew]

The bosses are the easiest part of surface and it's not even funny anymore

[fierce citrus]

pain 3 is wild

[viral yew]

Welcome to the club

[fierce citrus]

im taking 20 damage for a sword swinging at me

then 25 for a bird pecking me lol

[vernal quiver]

Just go hitless ong

(I love losing 90% for literally messing up once)

[fierce citrus]

omg rapture ring or aphro attack ugh thats annoying

[fierce citrus]

yea easy

ah yes scars 3 i forgot about that

[viral yew]

I'm like 5-10 hits away from hitless 62

[opal pecan]

Cast

[viral yew]

Rapture ring is underrated asf

[opal pecan]

I love it so much and it is totally underrated

[fierce citrus]

nooo he was 1 lol

[fierce citrus]

yea i took it it was also epic and i needed her weak

all of a sudden i miss lovers

[viral yew]

It does a criminal amount of damage with fates whim and scales like crazy with poms

[viral yew]

YOU DON'T HAVE LOVERS ON

[fierce citrus]

idk what not to turn on

i took origination persistance and strength

im not taking origination or persitance off

and i need strength

[vernal quiver]

Bro just take return 🥀

[viral yew]

Take death 😭

[vernal quiver]

Also yeah using strength on a pain and scars run is asking to die super ez

Only reason 65f does is cuz theres literally nothing better 😭

[viral yew]

65 doesn't start with death?

[opal pecan]

I remember asking about that not too long ago and yeah

Something about saving the DDs for later

[viral yew]

Right that makes sense

[vernal quiver]

Yeah strength abd persistence

So you actually have damage from something

[viral yew]

Very true

[fierce citrus]

well its alright ill win in the end

well i only died to cyclopes 3 times in all my 55 fear attempts ive died to him twice now

i feel like the games gotten harder i cant lie

[dreamy veldt]

Is there a lore reason for Apollo doubling things

[fierce citrus]

what can he double

[dreamy veldt]

Attacks

Omegas, blades

[fierce citrus]

oh yea lowkey forgot he could do all that lmao

[dreamy veldt]

Also creating extra hearththrobs but that's not doubling since it makes it 3

[fierce citrus]

i actullay wonder why

[viral yew]

Oh really I wonder why

[fierce citrus]

but to be fair you can see the same about sea star but thats the only thing posiden can do

he also has the duo with hera for ocean swell and fine line

[broken spoke]

But pos make a comment everytime it doubled

[fierce citrus]

not really he just says hehehehahahah

he also says another to be fair

[dreamy veldt]

Did 66k with Poseidon waves and 44k with casts, but attack was 57k instead of 55k 😞

[fierce citrus]

omg why do the houses keep spawning with the laser perk

[viral yew]

its one of the few they can ave

[hollow briar]

Usually Strength and Persistence but I’ve found Void success with Artificer and Persistence/Huntress + something costing 1 Grasp (though this just adds another layer of RNG to the mix, so..)

[viral yew]

right ok

[cerulean panther]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1345939970669412394/1445653830338613258/Hades_II_201.png?ex=6931218c&is=692fd00c&hm=e933438de34cdbe3b653afbc51a037fa1758f4be58cb887d80f688b30269225d& Is this supposed to be able to happen on an average postgame run?

[median anvil]

yeah why shouldn't it

[cerulean panther]

I thought a Shrine was guaranteed in a well.

[median anvil]

i mean I'm not sure what you mean everything i see in that image looks normal

[cerulean panther]

I can't remember the last time one didn't show up.

[median anvil]

shrines have a room cooldown, you had one in one of the past ships

[cerulean panther]

Ooohh.

[thin gazelle]

Yeah, I’ve had situations where I get a shrine in the chamber before a well room and then I don’t get one

[cerulean panther]

Flood Gain, Sudden Burst, and Ripple Effect are funny together.

Athena didn't want to give me Renewed Faith (and I was short on MP for Stalwart Stand), so I hope my MP usage with Righteous Pike pans out.

It did not.

[upbeat matrix]

Okay skulking onslaught on artemis is SO fun

[opal pecan]

#melbladesathome

[spiral wadi]

mel blades is prob the best blades aspect ngl ngl

artemis is pretty strong, i just don't like having to actively riposte and wait for an atk

and pan is an aspect

[upbeat matrix]

Youtubers and "tier-listers" dunk on artemis at every moment LOL

[upbeat matrix]

I'm actually playing pan now, at some 27ish fear.....it feels good? It's safe but the damage isn't super great

Granted I did get hidden knives at the start though lol

[spiral wadi]

dw i'm too high fear pilled, tbh all the blades aspects r strong

it's just pan really doesn't feel good to play at high fear cuz u want trick knives but then it's just worse mel blades tbh

i believe aki did do a pan run with actually playing the aspect so that's fun

[upbeat matrix]

its the trick-knives resets that scare me about blades but so far i seem to be doing pretty good with blades, more so than the other weapons besides torches

[upbeat matrix]

ooh ill watch that

[spiral wadi]

yea u can do fine without blades resetting too much

[upbeat matrix]

yeah like everyone resetting for trick-knives made me think blades were bad but its actually not, good to know

[spiral wadi]

mhm, i hit my 65 surface blades run without getting trick 💪

[upbeat matrix]

Which aspect btw?

[flint widget]

mel

[spiral wadi]

mel ye

[upbeat matrix]

Oh nice

[edgy nacelle]

ooookay I'm taking a break from blade 62s for a few days I think, I need to do some fun runs so the game doesn't feel like a job lol

[flint widget]

coward

[edgy nacelle]

too many "if echo/athena pulled through I had it" runs today lol

[edgy nacelle]

won't deny it
but will get back to it later

[flint widget]

i wanna see u at the blade 62f mines day and night

[edgy nacelle]

and I wanna see me having a good time lmao

I miss doing staff and torch 62s lol...

might take a break and try surface 50s or 55s and see how that feels, or do some speeds

[flint widget]

50f speeds

also if u miss doing torch 62s go do supay 62f

[upbeat matrix]

Honestly I stopped trying to climb fear so much for the same reason 😭

Plus I need to actually learn boss patterns and get better lol

[flint widget]

why does charon 62f feel so ass

deadass i might have to use rerolls for charon 62f for guaranteed lucid gain first boon

[indigo coyote]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/500370203415281666/1445682914137346152/image.png?ex=69313ca2&is=692feb22&hm=059a79f9aff96ce78e15d70e4c8570209ce0ec773fc305cc695fa8d91bccc76f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1463&height=823
What does this hourglass do exactly

[vernal quiver]

Heal you

Through scars too

[whole charm]

Best gain for Shiva?

probably hestia ig

[limpid spear]

I thnk aki's pan run was literally played like bad mel blaes, no trick knives and no O spec lol.
he made attack focus work, and just single spec spam.

[hollow briar]

It felt pretty good to me, idk. Way more bearable than the actuality/concept of the others mostly

[hollow briar]

Yeah, no, that’s how I did 62 too

It felt fine cuz even a worse Mel Blades is still very strong lol

[limpid spear]

lol I don't think i've seen anyone do an actual omega pan 62 yet

[hollow briar]

It’s just… I dunno. I don’t like thinking about it. The lack of waveclear sounds awful cuz they just hit one enemy… maybe just play for the ricocheting Hammer? I don’t even remember the name

[edgy nacelle]

I'd avoid Hestia if you're playing Shiva as intended at low fear, you don't really use non-omega moves 🤷
apollo, poseidon, and hera are all nice, I'd default to one of those. if you're playing Shiva in a way where Hestia works then you're prob playing magickless and don't need a gain at all
edit: zeus and demeter also work if you don't mind using them. I just dislike and avoid those gains lol

[edgy nacelle]

we must have RLY different playstyles lol, Charon and Nyx felt like the two most free aspects for me so far

[hollow briar]

In fairness, I do feel like Nyx is objectively one of the strongest 62 clearers lol

Insane waveclear on top of base Coat having just bonkers damage to begin with

[edgy nacelle]

oh absolutely, but iirc Checkmate said it's an aspect he's having trouble with at 62 (or one he had trouble with before clearing with it, past tense)

so. since I first tried Charon and Nyx felt pretty free, we clearly have diff strengths lol

[hollow briar]

Yeh, I think the one I’ve had the most trouble with thus far was Supay. Took about eight/nine attempts before it ended up working cuz Zeus rarely showed (eventually didn’t even need) and the earlygame is just such a slog

I’m hoping none of the others end up nearly as mind-numbing

[edgy nacelle]

idk if I'll get to every aspect, rn I've only done 5
but out of those... hm. Hel took more total resets since its build paths are so narrow, and now blades is probably giving me the most trouble since I play them the least

I can imagine supay being REALLY annoying tho, I'll get to it only if I do all the other torches

[whole charm]

i genuinely hate the black coat like i hate this thing with a burning passion

once i clear all the fear things i need im never touching this thing again

[limpid spear]

^ are you going for dash-strike builds or special spam?

[whole charm]

Using shiva so omega special and omega attack

i just generally hate the playstyle. Its slow, its annoying to dodge enemies, and later on in runs your block doesnt block anything. Especially on olympus.

Maybe Shiva is just awful

Nyx seems to be better

[limpid spear]

oh shiva ok nvm lol by black coat I assumed mel coat.

yea shiva is pretty tough at high fear. Nyx is like ez mode in comparison

totally agree that you cannot rely on the block. especially against dumb automatons in olympus/thessaly

[whole charm]

crazy thing is im only on 16 fear lmao. Shiva just leaves you open every single time you omega attack. Idk i guess maybe i suck, the damage is fantastic but you just take way too much damage

[flint widget]

maybe its cuz i play coat and axe way less often compared to the other weapons

im a staff and torch guy

[viral yew]

Shiva i've found pretty easy up until 50

[flint widget]

skull as well but only medea

[viral yew]

Gotta learn timing and what/what not to block

[flint widget]

also just failed to do a 62f speedrun yet again

62f strength and antler in final region really is something

[viral yew]

@whole charm do you require shiva help

[flint widget]

maybe its cuz wards with charon suck ass

[whole charm]

I just really dont think the playstyle is for me. Ive had much better outcomes with Nyx so i think ill just stick with that

[viral yew]

Fiiiiine

I was so excited to impart my wisdom

[limpid spear]

died multiple times doing this before getting just an ok clear time lol

[limpid spear]

this is my TLDR for shiva if it helps:

oh wait, you can't post pics in this thread.... LMAO oops

i'll just copy paste, but sorry for whatever formatting appears:
Combat Loop
Omega Special into group of foes
Dash in, place Cast,
Stay on perimeter of Cast and Omega Special AoE, so you can gain Destructive Ranks
Channel Omega Attack to block, and be ready to unleash as your Rank goes up.
Most foes will die from this, but against bosses, you can repeat 1 through 3, before Omega Attacking.
When this is too dangerous, you can Ω Special and spam standard Specials from a distance.

elephant rockets is OP on shiva for a safer playstyle that can use standard or Ω Specials

[whole charm]

ill keep this in mind if i decide to try it again lol

[viral yew]

100% agree with this

[whole charm]

So nemises just stole my chaos gate that I BOUGHT

[hollow briar]

This is true. I was lucky enough to have pretty good rooms in the few attempts it took lol

[fierce citrus]

Should I try some more 62 fear runs

[broken spoke]

Only if you take return

[viral yew]

Only if you take return

[fierce citrus]

Yous are so boring

Omg that’s why Medea does so much damage

It increases the base attack and special damage

Lowkey never noticed

[junior trail]

its literally shown on the aspect selection screen

[fierce citrus]

You think I read the aspects?

[broken spoke]

Imagine reading

[fierce citrus]

I use whichever looks the coolest if I’m confused about what they do then I read it

[manic shuttle]

based

[fierce citrus]

62 surface strength no return is based

[manic shuttle]

no that sounds like torture

[limpid spear]

do you play void 2?

[fierce citrus]

Yes

[fierce citrus]

Better then turning return on

[limpid spear]

have you cleared runs with that set up already?

[fierce citrus]

I just started today

I did 3 runs I’m yet to past cyclops

[broken spoke]

One day

[fierce citrus]

Having no lovers on is rough

[limpid spear]

you're running 62 surface with void 2, no return, no lovers? truly based

[edgy nacelle]

I will never understand reddie's hatred for return but I will never stop respecting it 🫡 I could literally never, I don't wanna do high fear void, I'm a coward

also I lied 😔 I said I needed a break from high fear blades but I'm too stubborn
back to the mines I go, sigh

[fierce citrus]

Strength

[fierce citrus]

Dw you get it easy

[empty musk]

Pretty sure Red was referring to this run:
https://youtu.be/XdKRK_Mxy2s?si=Z1SZsKoMCvcLimeO

My surface 62 def did use trick knives so you're prob thinking of my anyfear pan speedrun which yeah that was bad mel blades

[edgy nacelle]

hm. are there any specific attack boons which are preferred for final slice morrigan? I'm more used to lower fear where it's a super flexible weapon
grabbed sworn strike and lucked into that hammer but idk if like. scorch/blitz/apollo is preferred

[empty musk]

Hitch, scorch or Apollo. Aphro/Zeus can kinda work but they're not ideal

[edgy nacelle]

gotcha, thank you! good to know
not having much luck with my blades 62s, but morrigan feels more consistent so far so I think I'm going to stick with it

lmao and I'm offered a min cooldown heph blast attack sacrifice
No™
I did do an okay run with heph attack morrigan, but I will keep hitch tyvm fates

hmmm. hera demeter heph god pool, morrigan
aphrodite shop boon.... does she have much I really want?

like. secret crush and spiritual aff pretty much? I could passion rush or glamour gain but. eh. I think I skip

[edgy nacelle]

hmmm. well, that was certainly the best attempt yet

also the last one for the night. god I'm annoyed with blades 😔 but it's def morrigan for my first 62, it just feels consistently better. I only got one offensive upgrade post-erebus that run (a hammer) and it still felt smooth

[fierce citrus]

Yea uw seems so annoying tbh

Just run surface Morrigan seems good with it

[edgy nacelle]

I wanna get every weapon type UW 62 done first, and it’s just blades left.
tbh it’s not too bad, I’m just not good enough for 62 to be anywhere near consistent lol

but I think I can see ways to improve that run like I think scorch + PT would have been a win, or using my hex differently

so. next time!

[digital juniper]

wait when did you get a skull clear?

[edgy nacelle]

uhhh a couple days ago? I’ll link it 1 sec

[edgy nacelle]

#1217110523091357747 message
awful chronos but decent run otherwise, and I take any win I can at 62

wait you reacted to it LMAO, I thought for sure you’d seen

[digital juniper]

huh i guess i just forgot

so that’s Hel, Nyx, Circe, Charon, Eos and now just blades remaining?

[edgy nacelle]

yup! altho ngl I kinda want to do more skull, staff, and torch aspects

I’ve been trying all blades other than arty, morrigan feels by far the most consistent for me so. sticking w that I think

[digital juniper]

yeah it’s gotta be morrigan or mel blades

[edgy nacelle]

TK pan feels pretty solid too, but that’s just a lot of rerolling lol

[digital juniper]

more skull? so Medea?

[edgy nacelle]

maybe medea
medea is scary but I’m down for it, I enjoy playing it lol

[digital juniper]

yeah i’m not sure if you want to run trick knives:the aspect

[edgy nacelle]

low-key I’m down for every skull, staff, and torch, altho supay and momus may change my mind

[digital juniper]

momus, also known as discount mel staff

[edgy nacelle]

lmao

[digital juniper]

supay is just…no

[edgy nacelle]

I think I just like staff tbh

[digital juniper]

staff is very fun, i get it

[edgy nacelle]

and yeah, supay I think would be rough but I’d b more interested in that than like… mel axe

mel axe is objectively better for high fear I’d say, I just don’t have fun w it

but after blades are done it might be surface, idkkk. still deciding

[digital juniper]

i prefer the aspect of dashing heave over playing supay

[edgy nacelle]

extremely valid lmao

but tbh I think my bottom 3 aspects in terms of fun rn are mel axe, nergal, and arty
so. not rly interested in touching those at high fear

[digital juniper]

that’s fair

[viral yew]

Reallll

[spark crown]

Why are you blue /ref

[viral yew]

Felt like it

[silent crow]

wgat is /ref

[spark crown]

/referance

[fierce citrus]

Was skull even hard to clear?

Unless you weren’t using Medea

Actullay to be fair 62 is just hard to clear in general idk why but i feel like it’s gonna be easy for me

(100plus attempts incoming)

[dusky totem]

howdy, are there some basic numbers to keep in mind to compare % increase and flat damage ?

like idk mel axe attack is better with 40% than with base poseidon or something

Wait I could just check the damage of moves and put the damage per % in a note

Should I do it or it's already done ?

[silent crow]

just go off of vibes

big base damage wants % lower or multihit damage wants flat damage

[uneven palm]

High power like Mel axe wants +% generally. Fast or lower power wants add-ons generally.

[flint widget]

back from exams

turns out they are easier than 62f

not by much tho

[flint widget]

supay is ez is u just hit blitz or any decent rush boon in erebus

[dusky totem]

I tried noting damage down for all of 20 seconds until I realized that even just mel axe attacks have already 4 different values (dash attack, then each hit of the combo)

[flint widget]

am i insane for grinding supay 65f

[opal pecan]

We all choose our own little insanities

It is these that make the greater insanities of life bearable

[alpine raft]

at least its a fun one

[turbid crescent]

whats ur build for 62f

[flint widget]

anything with jpom

[turbid crescent]

what about the arcana

[flint widget]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiLCJjMjQiXQ==

goddamn heracles is a fraud

got like a 100 gold from him even with only rapture ring supay

[limpid spear]

Ohhh I didn't see this one. YES a REAL pan 62! I'll have to watch it later lol

[limpid spear]

for what weapon?

[woven vector]

hello, does anyone know if the "boon is likely" line in keepsakes count for all encounters or just the next one?

[glass bone]

It applies until you choose a boon from the god or take the keepsake off

[woven vector]

so if i have hestia's keepsake, for example, i have a higher chance of getting her boon as an option on every encounter?

[glass bone]

Also, if you take one of those keepsakes for Region 1, your first major reward / starting reward will always be a boon from that god (ignoring Vow of Forfeit)

[glass bone]

Every encounter till you take a boon from her as a reward door, yes.

I’m pretty sure getting a boon from that god from the shop does not eat that part of the keepsake

[woven vector]

oh so whenever i take a boon from her, the keepsake is useless for the entire run?

[glass bone]

No. That keepsake has two elements

[woven vector]

not counting the option to rarify a boon

so the "boon is likely" only applies until i choose a boon from a reward door?

[glass bone]

Ok, think of it like this. The rarify, and likely elements of those keepsakes are some value of 1. Rarifying a boon affects that value of rarifying, and getting a room door with that god affects that value of likely

[glass bone]

Until you choose a boon from that god from a reward door

[woven vector]

oh i see

thank you for the help!

[dusky totem]

Yeah the main use of the keepsakes is to get a boon of that god early because you want one of their options

The other is just to get the god into your god pool

So you can get boons from that god later too

[spiral wadi]

god keepsake can also unlock godsent if u need

or rather make it available

[dusky totem]

true, I guess that's also part of getting them in the god pool

Can't think of many cases you'd do it in game, except ares for selene aspect. But if I get night bloom in the first biome, I guess I could take hera

[sturdy knoll]

So I got the Hera boon that creates one ally some time at the end of Olympus and apparently it was ny #1 damage dealer after beating Typhon... Makes me wonder if the effects of my Morph hex somehow added to that damage number? If not I have no idea how my minions could have done so much damage

[dusky totem]

minions are busted

they deal truly ridiculous damage

[edgy nacelle]

I was using Hel cause it’s prob the safest option, but I also wanted to fate’s whim which takes forever since it has like 2 total viable builds lol.
very nearly first tried it, then took longer than I’d like

[night mauve]

If it just says minions or whatever then it'd be all of them

They can do alot

[sturdy knoll]

TIL

[night mauve]

Ikr

They cant die either so, pretty good

[oblique hazel]

i read somewhere that enemy damage is standardized in a way where most enemies have very similar base damage, so allies/summons can do stupid amounts of damage if they attack quickly or multihit. thats why stuff like the root stalker or hellifish can straight up phase rivals chronos sometimes lol

[fierce citrus]

Hel on fates whim is worst then playing void 2 over return

[limpid spear]

^^ true

just run hest/pos start

[silent crow]

still qrong somehow

[edgy nacelle]

I simply like whimming it more than I like void lol
for speeds I did pos start, but for 62s I also wanted chrolex value to deal with debt

[fierce citrus]

Really I’d rather do the other way around tbh

I get the value of whimming on 62 but if I was using a weapon that only has 2 proper builds I’d use a god keepsake

Actullay probably not I’d keep it to rng lol

[pearl wyvern]

when you have you think you have 100% chance of turning a specific common boon to heroic but you forgot that you got a hermes boon in erebus https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/451913356073369631/1445895791796293826/image.png?ex=693202e4&is=6930b164&hm=d00366ed73ef7bb0514b0d0999985b456536bfd9e301c794f35c76961e9c603a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1423&height=800

at least this helps with vow of debt

[edgy nacelle]

heroic quick buck w vow of debt actually sounds fun af ngl

heroic rapture ring is ALSO fun af, and the pom scaling on that boon is hilariously good imo, but. pretty good hit all things considered

[turbid karma]

I feel like there's a hades blade rift/Charon axe combo waiting to happen, fingers crossed it works and I'm not wrong 😛

[hollow stag]

Is there a better Circe Fortune than getting an extra 4% Crit Chance?

[silent crow]

4% crit is probably the best thing u can get

[hollow stag]

Too bad you don't get more from that from Hermes' Success Rate

[viral yew]

Yes you do

[vernal quiver]

just like 30% of 4 is 1.2 😭

[hollow stag]

Hermes' Success Rate boosts Crit Chance from Raki?

[vernal quiver]

it boosts everything that isnt dodge iirc

[austere trail]

and daze

[odd bolt]

https://imgur.com/OEt99k6 poor thing got obliterated

(i sent this on the h1 combat channel oops)

[pearl wyvern]

I don’t even know what I’m looking at

[turbid karma]

so the answer is no, because I misunderstood how aspect of charon worked 😄 outside of the cast, it's just a normal special. Only inside the original cast is where it does the explosion/magic cast. Bummer!

[edgy nacelle]

still a good combo, since omega casts aren’t super practical to use on most aspects! but yeah, you don’t get extra blade rifts or anything

[turbid karma]

yeah definitely!

still one of my two favorite axes, but not as OP as I thought 😄

[hollow stag]

My favorite (non speed run builds) are

• Zeus + Hera (battery)

• Apollo Legendary

• Heinous Affront

• Fine Line + Ocean Swell

• Black Coat Dash Strike + Wave Strike

[vernal quiver]

the more i play this game at high fear the more i hate demeter

like yes please throw off my timings and only be useful for snow queen

[edgy nacelle]

wild, cannot relate, I’m having the opposite arc
altho I am more and more likely to ignore freeze in favor of frigid rush lol

[vernal quiver]

i think its me also hating medea since i just lost a 62f at p3 chronos

mostly cuz he was doing stuff offscreen so of course im not gonna be able to react, no deep dissent, and my timings get thrown off cuz of demeter

also i love how medea can just decide to go 2 degrees to the left of the enemy and just whiff completely

[opal pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280788714790322176/1445937737294155851/image.png?ex=693229f4&is=6930d874&hm=6fa5da574f27d30db398737af2b9968fcfc72f33f5d83829f9c12e864189b227& Hey so you know that thing about Hestia not offering attack boon

It's FINE, i GUESS, not like i NEED an attack boon

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280788714790322176/1445938837837709384/image.png?ex=69322afb&is=6930d97b&hm=ec2fe425dd537ea1a3d043327bc55c78097ac7b441125c2c95d473deb2c827ba& Hestia please

[vernal quiver]

mfw the 62f run is cooked so i just antler for funsies

the more i play medea the more im confused how tf youre supposed to deal with certain enemies when they dont die in 2 seconds

[limpid spear]

don't forget you have O attack. but some eneny attack patterns you literally just wait. thankfully medea is so strong you normally have time to spare

[ruby karma]

Hey so a few weeks ago here (or H2 discussion, I can't remember) I was asking about some strength damage reduction stuff, and someone told me that there are other weird interactions of things not applying damage reduction like they should. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? I can't remember what the person told me

[glass bone]

I’m pretty sure that comment refers to Armor, to which Strength does not apply to Armor.

[ruby karma]

The person was saying it applied to other stuff besides armor, or something. Oh, maybe it was other things, like weak, do not apply to armor either

[glass bone]

Oh yeah… I can’t recall what actually does apply to armor…

I just know that during EA, Strength got nerfed several times, one of them being that Strength damage reduction doesn’t apply to Armor.

[viral yew]

I'm pretty sure they changed it so armour always took full damage

[vernal quiver]

Istfg i hate how medea is starting to be like eos where I should've 62f first try but then I choke in one spot and now im here for 3 hours

[viral yew]

The same thing happened to me

[vernal quiver]

I might just not even jpom medea atp ik theres zero reason to anyway since its already strong enough

[limpid spear]

iirc weak causes foes to deal 30% less damage, not for you to take 30% less, so it should still apply with armor

[fierce citrus]

ah yes my first run of the day i get gigoras dash which is peak but selenes here

selene should be onioned

dw i took 40 damage in the first room finna reset

[dreamy veldt]

Ooh chant is pog I don't remember getting it before

+144% on my omega moves 👀

[fierce citrus]

id like to do a run where i get chant to the highest possible number i can get

can you get a duplicate chant from embryo?

[vernal quiver]

man 62 makes me realize i hate 70% of the weapons in this game ._.

time to never touch any of them ever again

[silent crow]

maybe you hate 62f

[vernal quiver]

no just coat, daggers, axe, and medea

[fierce citrus]

coats peak

[vernal quiver]

and i have no reason to touch flames anymore since i did my eos 62 and staff is fun

[fierce citrus]

62 fear is making me realise im bad at this game

55 was probably just pure luck when i did win

[silent crow]

speedrun to burnout

[vernal quiver]

as much as i wanna do 67f by the end of the year i do think i need to just not touch it for a week everything is pissing me off

the hitboxes, input reg, super super small things are randomly being a problem and i shouldnt be struggling with 62 much at all but then i get to p3 gramps first try then die and then 3 hours of attempts later i get nowhere so :P

[fierce citrus]

man i forgot how much denial limits you

i should turn it off for void 3 tbh

[silent crow]

you only feel that way because you have void 3 on

[fierce citrus]

nah void 2

ah yes big birds that have "amazing" hitboxes and hit you for 17

[vernal quiver]

gale slowdown and pain makes me realize this game has terrible hitboxes sometimes

[fierce citrus]

heroic aphro attack amazing

leaving ephyra for the first time with 4 hp

this is the run

[silent crow]

have you seen the spear guys from oceanus

[opal pecan]

I haven't seen them, but my HP bar has seen them up close and personal 🙃

[dreamy veldt]

The four legged guys?

[vernal quiver]

idk why their spear is the size of a small country while also being a plesioth hip check on the opposite side of em

[fierce citrus]

is high surf actullay good

[opal pecan]

Yes, unless your nick is Luthien, in which case it isn't

Though less good if you aren't jpomming

[fierce citrus]

i never take it tbh

[opal pecan]

I've had it on the damage board as the only splash source

[fierce citrus]

i just took it now cause i didnt want his sprint or gain

[opal pecan]

OFC it is more useful for melee weapons/playstyles

I imagine it's not great for like. Moros.

[fierce citrus]

im using medea

holy crap that is good wth

[opal pecan]

There ya go

[fierce citrus]

i always ignored it tbh

ok yea i gotta get used to poly again i burnt through all my life tax against him

[edgy nacelle]

LMAO

every time I take high surf I think of you lol

it actually pops off so hard sometimes...
was seeing >200 pop up on my screen and having it solo clear waves of fish in coeanus the other day

[fierce citrus]

high surf went from a d tier to a s tier for me lol

i remember i used it like twice when i first started the game and thought it was doing much

[opal pecan]

It DOES

[broken spoke]

Jolted at home

[fierce citrus]

dare i say better then jolted

[opal pecan]

The "surrounding foes" thing + applying knockback is a nice synergy

It does damage and gives you a bit of protection

Prevenge > revenge

[fierce citrus]

i can already tell its gonna be peak for my 62s

i had it one run the amount of times it knocked away the anchors or the birds was wild

[wanton thorn]

idk if this is the right channel to ask it, but the fear system confuses me a little bit - how much fear do I have to take on for the night to unlock the extra boons in Tartarus? Like S.dust, f.snacks and fear?

[fierce citrus]

12 im pretty sure

could be 14 maybe

also there not boons there just extra rewards boons are the stuff you get from gods

just in case you ask a question in the future and someone gets confused

[wanton thorn]

does the fear requirement ever change with you getting stronger? like it starts with 12 but goes higher?

[dreamy veldt]

Requirement for what

[fierce citrus]

no it stays at 12 or 14

[fierce citrus]

yk those tables that give those rewards in the last regions

[dreamy veldt]

Oh those, it's always 12 yes

[fierce citrus]

the one that greatest gift of gia dosent collect

[wanton thorn]

thank youuuu! ❤️ may the light guide us

[fierce citrus]

its so annoying it dosent collect those tbh it makes sense why it dosent but id like if it did

[wanton thorn]

good to know, didn't know that

[dreamy veldt]

Probably slightly annoying if you're on timer

I don't ever get them anymore but when I did it felt like a special treat

[fierce citrus]

yae i dont need the materials anymore but I like having alot its cool

[fierce citrus]

yea i used to never go below that required fear for those

[dreamy veldt]

I just recently sold everything I could for the things

[wanton thorn]

I wish we could give the snacks to Cerby as a treat :) I maxxed all my familiars already

[fierce citrus]

you cant sell the treats and nightmare though can you?

[dreamy veldt]

Kudos

And then I bought every decoration

[fierce citrus]

im suprised you cant even give him nectar

[fierce citrus]

how do you sell those stuff for kudos

[wanton thorn]

He's too busy chillin

[dreamy veldt]

Oh sorry my discord didn't load that question before, but no

You can't*

But everything you can sell I now have 0 of 😎

[fierce citrus]

yea ive been just growing stuff after every failed attempt 😭

once i beat 62 (700+ attempts) im gonna sell everything

[silent crow]

wehen you take stabbing rush do you think of moi...

[edgy nacelle]

yes, every time

[silent crow]

🫀

[opal pecan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-Q3XmXD0Oc&t=121s Erebus doors are my nemesis

This isn't even the most embarrassing moment of getting stuck on the roots

It's just the first one because I was too lazy to keep looking

The worst ones are when there's a really big root and it doesn't let you dash through it

[dreamy veldt]

Stabbing rush is pretty poggers

[opal pecan]

Not without Cutting Edge it aint

Although weirdly enough.... is it just me or like. Coffin Nail seems so important for stuff like Cut Above or Sword Ring, but I kinda feel like it's better to have it be delayed on Stabbing Rush

IDK!!!!!

[dreamy veldt]

I'm impartial to it because it's swords

[fierce citrus]

omg i was having such a good run

i got hit twice twice by skulls

😭😭

not skulls sorry i got pecked twice by a bird

[opal pecan]

Skulls are asshats tbf

I can understand the slip :P

[fierce citrus]

they hit for 9

[dreamy veldt]

Ooh I should make an enemy tier list

[fierce citrus]

but birds peck me for 20

and theres 9 of them lmao

[fierce citrus]

make one like right now

[opal pecan]

There are so many enemies

[dreamy veldt]

Kk

[fierce citrus]

im doing one more run and ima eat for abit i wanna go through that tierlist

[opal pecan]

manymies

[fierce citrus]

yk what i might do one

ok question does putting your cast down even do anything if you have no cast boon or the furies?

[opal pecan]

Snare

Did ye never notice the ghostly little hands grabbing the small enemies

[fierce citrus]

no

lol

[opal pecan]

I think there's a tooltip about it

But basically it's like casting Tanglefoot

[edgy nacelle]

saves you from wailers and swarms of fish
free crowd control

also makes skelly go "I am ensnared!"

[opal pecan]

The most important ability

[fierce citrus]

wait so it makes enemies move slower?

[opal pecan]

That's what ensnare means, yes

[fierce citrus]

yea i lowkey dropped out of school 😂

[opal pecan]

It's not the same as Freeze because they can still attack you

[fierce citrus]

sea star my beloved

alright got ya thanks

[edgy nacelle]

stops a lot of small enemies from moving at all, roots them in place
you can see lil ghost hands grabbing them from below

[opal pecan]

The ghostly little hands are super cute and you should look at them next time 👀

[fierce citrus]

im suprised i never notice

does the effect stay even if you got a boon on it?

[edgy nacelle]

yup!

winner's circle makes it last less time since the circle disappears

[opal pecan]

The visual effect I don't notice but the mechanic of ensnarement stays

Probably just the visuals from the cast boon being flashier lol

[fierce citrus]

first icarus in 62 im boutta get destroyed

[opal pecan]

You who are about to die: I salute you

[fierce citrus]

i didnt take any damage

yippe he didnt give me and shield ugh

give me the option to purge him 🙏

[opal pecan]

But did he give you any of the good boons

[fierce citrus]

purging selene feels so good

[opal pecan]

RUDE

[fierce citrus]

attack got 3 extra levels

[fierce citrus]

no possesed array so yea she bye bye

id rather 500 gold then 3 extra levels on my already level 4 attack

[viral yew]

500 free gold

[fierce citrus]

no i was having such a good rift 💔

[fierce citrus]

exactly

[dreamy veldt]

https://imgur.com/a/XgPvcwl

Is this really all the basic enemies? I didn't add the two from the circle minigame

[opal pecan]

Top one is those fast screechy jerks in Erebus right

[fierce citrus]

the little robots that hit for 20 arent in mortal enemy?

bad tierlist

[opal pecan]

Vacuum blob is definitely a mortal enemy

Teleporting skulls are also mortal enemy but specifically when you're fighting a timer

[fierce citrus]

honstly the enemies in the last surface region should not be in A

or at least they shouldnt be over olympic robots

also the last 2 enemies in C should be in A

[dreamy veldt]

I am awful at avoiding the little Typhon spawns

It's like guaranteed that I get hit every time I fight one

[fierce citrus]

there so easy to get around them

the only annoying one is that little mandrake

homing projectiles and the second your gonna hit him his already on the other side of the room

[dreamy veldt]

Oh wait I forgot to specify that this is just how they are to me and not like a general difficulty thingy

[fierce citrus]

yea no thats fair

[dreamy veldt]

If we add in the boss versions tho it moves all around lol

[fierce citrus]

yea i was gonna say for that mini boss in tatarus but remembered thats just the normal version

[dreamy veldt]

The shadowspiller thing is like my worst in terms of I don't really understand how to not get hit by it

And I'm bad against mechadracon

Also the bag and rat I suck vs

The big ones

[viral yew]

Only miniboss that's annoying for me is the vampire one cause he can heal from adds

The rest take 5-10 seconds

[dreamy veldt]

It would be interesting if you could see like total damage taken from each enemy

Cause I feel like I've never gotten hit by the wizard miniboss

[edgy nacelle]

the shield on in ephyra is annoying too, esp with shadow. "blocked, blocked, blocked" 🙄

[dreamy veldt]

I think that one is probably the easiest in the game for me

[viral yew]

Frrrrr

[dreamy veldt]

I still mess up on the grass spike shooter tree thing

[edgy nacelle]

it's not too bad but if you're trying to deal with timer or very high fear it's just annoying
like. the boar has more of a chance of killing me if I try to fight it as my first room boonless. but the shield guy is annoying

[viral yew]

😭

[tawny imp]

i really hate the pirate captain

and also charybdis

rift of thessaly the worst zone oat tbh

[viral yew]

Thessaly in general, but I much prefer the captain

[fierce citrus]

charydbas

[dreamy veldt]

That's how I feel about the ball

It's just so annoying to me

[fierce citrus]

pirates one of my fav mini bosses of all time tbh

his annoying as hell but his so fun

i bought food from the shop

[viral yew]

Oh I just reset if i'm speedrunning

[fierce citrus]

i have scars 3 😭

[fierce citrus]

valid

[dreamy veldt]

Wait yeah Charibdys seems like it would be a speed run death sentence

[viral yew]

It takes so long 😭

[tawny imp]

thessaly is so unfun to me

worst enemies (especially the anchor dudes)
worst minibosses
not the worst boss pattern wise but the boss i hate most character wise
and just generally layout isnt very fun

[viral yew]

I'm doing sub 10 all aspects and thessaly can be really slow

[edgy nacelle]

the captain is one of the minibosses where any form of armor shred (or twilight curse) trivializes it tho, which is nice

[dreamy veldt]

Hating Eris L

[tawny imp]

i really like ephyra and olympus has a lot of nice smaller details that make it unique thessaly is such a drag

[tawny imp]

i will never support a litterer

[fierce citrus]

it is annoying but fields is worst

[dreamy veldt]

But she's strife!!

[fierce citrus]

in my opinion i just dont like fields

[edgy nacelle]

honestly most valid reason for hating Eris that I've seen (I love her lol)

[viral yew]

I love eris because she's so easy

[fierce citrus]

and btw eris is litteraly the best character in the game besides nem dora and artemis shes the 4th best

[dreamy veldt]

I used to hate fields so much before I got used to how it works and also realized the trees exist

[dreamy veldt]

I just mean character wise

[tawny imp]

fields is a lot better with tress (also free time piece fuel 🤑 )

[edgy nacelle]

tbh region 2 is I think overall my least favorite stage of the two runs combined
I like oceanus more, but like. oceanus has so many annoying common enemies, like the crabs hiding in their shells

[viral yew]

Fields loves screwing over my runs

[fierce citrus]

i know how it all works and i support supergiant for going for something new but i just dont like it at all

[viral yew]

Real

[dreamy veldt]

At first I was just like WHY ARE THESE MAPS SO @#&&#- BIG

I mean I still wonder that a little bit

[fierce citrus]

idk oceanus is my fav part of uw minus syclla

[dreamy veldt]

But it is a unique experience definitely

[viral yew]

I personally love it (fields if you give me one more 3 door there will be blood)

[tawny imp]

for regions i like

tartarus is super cool

love how its a call back to tartarus from Hades 1 but harder basically and also really like the risk/time and reward system it has

[edgy nacelle]

I love the music, atmosphere, boon economy, and scylla (as a vibe, not always as a fight)
but the enemies are annooooying

[dreamy veldt]

Summit is definitely my favorite region like vibe-wise

[fierce citrus]

ephyra olymus summit taturus 1st region uw then iceanus

[dreamy veldt]

Followed by Olympus

[fierce citrus]

excuse my spelling lol

[dreamy veldt]

Both of them especially together used to feel so cool

Especially when I didn't know what the heckie was going on in summit

[edgy nacelle]

for me it's ephyra, olympus, tartarus prob as my top 3
not in that order

[viral yew]

Tartarus is still my favourite region

[edgy nacelle]

olympus ik sucks at high fear but the vibes are just.... Correct

[fierce citrus]

im taking onion for second region so i can get used to it rn on 62 fear

[viral yew]

Then ephyra, and then olympus purely because of how good the vibe and bossfight is

[dreamy veldt]

I like the gameplay of ephyra the most

[viral yew]

I'd do pom chrolex onion pin

[broken spoke]

Olympus security screw us more than typhoon force

[fierce citrus]

nah knuckle bones on 3rd region or you just lose

i normally do pom chrolex bones and onion or fang or droplet

if i have possesed array ill take fleece

[viral yew]

Does it take health from both?

[tawny imp]

olympus has great vibes theres a lot of nice details like the olympian statue and it also has my goat

prometheus and his battle theme

[fierce citrus]

?

[broken spoke]

Yes bone damage both

[fierce citrus]

prom may be my fav fight plus rivals but rivals is so hard on high fear lol

[viral yew]

Bones, does it take from heracles and prom

Ok good to know

[broken spoke]

Add hitch for funny result

[fierce citrus]

oh alright

[edgy nacelle]

oh yeah, have you not seen the cheirloom + hitch strat? phases both of them instantly lol

[fierce citrus]

hitch is op with it

[viral yew]

My favourite rivals fight is cerb

[fierce citrus]

cerb is also peak

[viral yew]

I shall look into this

[silent crow]

zone tier list :
Tartarus
Olympus
Ephyra
Oceanus
Summit
Erebus
Thessaly

Fields

[fierce citrus]

so cerb and promercles

yes field hate

[viral yew]

Apart from fields I agree with this

[silent crow]

cerb is one of the worst rivals fights imo

[fierce citrus]

its so fun

[edgy nacelle]

same top 3 so this is based 🤝
and oceanus is arguably my fourth favorite rn, it's just annoying me at 62 smh

[viral yew]

Peak bossfights, with or without rivals

[viral yew]

All three of us do lmao

[silent crow]

he always feels like a chore and not a boss

just cleaning up the garbage again whoop de doo

[dreamy veldt]

Tartarus is probably my least favorite tbh

It's just not exciting to me aesthetically or gameplay wise

[viral yew]

But he's so fun to do hitless

[fierce citrus]

omg icarus i swear to god

[silent crow]

hitless in this game is snore

wow you iframed the circle attack! good job have a medal

[fierce citrus]

when i died his like oh no meli what happened where did you go
you couldnt carry your weight icarus thats what happened

[silent crow]

people didnt complain about icarus being useless in EA enough

[viral yew]

On god 😭

[fierce citrus]

yous all had one job

[silent crow]

i guess its because thessaly was so bad icarus was not going to save you even if he oneshot the enemies

[fierce citrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1437620162353168394/1446007883224449104/image.png?ex=69326b48&is=693119c8&hm=dc41fb416153a8578eab7bc1d06e7ad336f9ffbe0b6040effd4143d1a8606615&

how im feeling rn

[viral yew]

I need to do this tier list can someone link me

[silent crow]

how are you struggling with swords

[fierce citrus]

cause theres alot

[dreamy veldt]

I saw swords up there and thought ok that's gotta be a fear thing

[viral yew]

I CAN'T FIND THE LIST

[dreamy veldt]

https://tiermaker.com/create/hades-2-enemies-17998500

[viral yew]

Ty

[dreamy veldt]

How lol I literally just searched Hades 2 enemy tier list maker

And clicked the first link

[fierce citrus]

yea it is

[fierce citrus]

im using the second one the first one looked outdated

[dreamy veldt]

They probably get crazy with frenzy hordes

[fierce citrus]

yea those small ones that spawn 10 of them and they deal 20 damage per hit it gets annoying

[opal pecan]

Anything that teleports has an annoyance factor to consider, though at least the swords have the decency to teleport toward you

[viral yew]

https://imgur.com/a/H1XEH1S

[dreamy veldt]

Once I refinish the story I wanna try a max fear run just to see how horrendous it is

[fierce citrus]

do it on surface using strength and dont have return on

its healthier for you

[dreamy veldt]

Well I'm not gonna do it repeatedly and I'm not actually trying to win so it'll be fine

I just want the two minutes of torture

[fierce citrus]

good list but id put anchors and big olympic shooting robot in A

if they have shield your cooked

[viral yew]

Fair

[fierce citrus]

ill give you 10 seconds

[dreamy veldt]

I wanted to be optimistic

[opal pecan]

New category: Max Fear longplay

[dreamy veldt]

But unfortunately I'm becoming unobsessed with the game so it's gonna take me longer to finish again

I think I did half a run today

Granted I did get home like 2h later than usual

But before this, it was like 8 straight months of another game, and then 2 straight months of h2, now it's kinda evening out

[edgy nacelle]

I'm so tired of blades 62s smh

not that anyone was asking, just. I wanna do staff or something again -_-

[opal pecan]

Do a quick staff speedrun to palate cleanse :p

[vernal quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912456622440325213/1446013459073335368/image.png?ex=6932707a&is=69311efa&hm=09b8930ef1eb98995fbf28148e7b5578e7517236a6b049928ef578a3b7ee1753&

[dreamy veldt]

I'm glad someone else shares my pain of the screaming devil

[opal pecan]

Screamy lady is awful

[opal pecan]

But this is the only one that has placed vacuum blob into the correct tier

[dreamy veldt]

One day I need to dive into the wiki and just like learn

[opal pecan]

What in partic?

[viral yew]

BASED

[dreamy veldt]

Idr off the top of my head but things like coat special is just more rockets not more stronger rockets

[edgy nacelle]

sigh. midshop scammed in erebus. time to reset I guess

[viral yew]

I got echo and fountain scamming running moros again

[opal pecan]

Speaking of fountain rooms... idt anyone had an answer earlier, but do any of y'all around rn know whether it's more common for the room opposite a family dispute to be a fountain room?

[edgy nacelle]

hmmm, no idea

[opal pecan]

Prolly I am just makin it up 🤔

Overly active imagination.....

[alpine raft]

vow of fangs combos tier list next

[wanton thorn]

are there extra rewards (s.dust, f.snack, fear) on the path to surface, like there are in the underworld when you take on 12 fear?

[vernal quiver]

yep :D but much like UW its only on the last area of the region iirc

[wanton thorn]

zaym, 12 fear on the surface is crazy, I'm struggling with surface without fear 😔

[flint widget]

supay 65f gonna make me go insane

[silent crow]

yea i agree

[flint widget]

i have to perform a bajillion resets to get everything i need but even then bad room rng can still screw me over

[viral yew]

Real

[flint widget]

plus no hitstun means i have to go ultra instinct on every encounter or else im dead

[silent crow]

entirely self imposed btw

[flint widget]

yes

[opal pecan]

Everything postgame is self imposed tbf

[flint widget]

tbh im enjoying the suffering

[edgy nacelle]

wym, the devs have personally commanded me to clear 62f with morrigan

[flint widget]

makes me appreciate 62f even more

[spiral furnace]

Almost got the great chaos above and was defeated by the timer at the Typhon’s last phase 😓

[manic shuttle]

s tier is spot on

[flint widget]

as a high fear pilled mf every enemy goes straight into s tier

[opal pecan]

Even the little housen what sit pretty in a corner in Ephyra

Even thems?

[turbid crescent]

perfect

dude

[flint widget]

if they have those laser thingies and the chronos balls then yeah

worst nightmare for medea players

also straight hell to deal with on supay with little to no boons

little to no damage while they spawn a bajillion enemies

[surreal hazel]

supay probably has the weakest basic DPS potential out of the gate

it suprised me just how low the base power values are for all of its moves, even the quite expensive omegas

(You make up for it with spreading Blitz/Hitch/Scorch like the plague)

Flame strike, Heaven Flourish, Nexus Rush and whatever ring boon you want and it's a free win

probably rapture ring because lol romantic spark I guess

[indigo coyote]

First version of Supay during EA will always be my favourite

they wanted to make Supay more about rushing

[surreal hazel]

understandably

but the ability to proc origination without even pressing buttons is crazy strong

[turbid crescent]

how do you deal with rivals cyclops

the poison is annoying

[viral yew]

You can cure the poison with the wells but fight is same as normal

[surreal hazel]

there's a few enhanced moves

boudler drop is three, his stomp has an extra kick wave added

[viral yew]

mostly* the same as normal

[indigo coyote]

that makes me wonder , does beach ball get boosted by Supay?

[viral yew]

No

[indigo coyote]

sad

[plain palm]

Used to be but it was one of its many nerfs

[flint widget]

last day of exams: aced

exams easier than 62f by a long shot

[uneven palm]

Turn the exams up to 65f next semester

[flint widget]

im still in high school buddy ain't no semester for me here

[dreamy veldt]

You don't have semesters?

Do you have trimesters?

[flint widget]

there's no semesters in my grade

[dreamy veldt]

So do you just get like one report card for the entire year?

[flint widget]

no i get 4

i get the report cards at the end of every "quarter" which is like basically a mini semester

theres 4 quarters

[fiery kraken]

"in my grade" - are you in high school?

I guess it is also possible your area doesn't follow my convention of refering to grades only below undergraduate

[austere trail]

_ _

[flint widget]

im not in america im in qatar of all countries

[fiery kraken]

cool

how do y'all play anubis? I find the attack so incredibly slow and clunky, even if I dash strike I find myself standing around a lot

and the special keeps vacuuming enemies on top of me, to unpleasant results

[glass bone]

Dash Attack, Special / OSpecial with care. On-hit attack, % special

[fiery kraken]

what does "on hit attack" mean?

oh like scorch or blitz, non %

[glass bone]

Scorch / Blitz / Waves

[fiery kraken]

got it

[fiery kraken]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide#aspect-of-anubis-staff

The Omega attack adds an additional, higher-power zone in an arc where you’re pointing it, excellent for choke points, enclosing waves, and large bosses. The arc from the Omega attack acts as a “wall” of sorts for baddies, kinda like your cast. Unlike your cast, it can stop Guardians; preventing Gramps from charging into you is funny. If you’re quick with the inputs you can dash in, hold Attack to drop a zone, dash backwards, then tilt the stick back forwards to drop the Omega arc in the middle of the regular zone.

Does the omega attack actually stop enemies from moving through it? I don't think I've ever noticed that

[spiral wadi]

yep

[signal coral]

Its inconsistent on which enemies it works against from what I remember but its unique in that it works on bosses

[opal pecan]

That's super interesting, I've never tried to do that

I simply must queue up Anubis for my next staff run 👀

[opal pecan]

Unrelated q: there a(n accurate and up-to-date) list anywhere of what Seismic Servo does and doesn't affect?

[signal coral]

• Flood Gain
• Ionic Gain
• Hephaestus Attack/Special/Dash
• Death Warrant (Artemis)
• Happy Haze (Dionysus)
• Bottomless Drink (Dionysus)
• Defensive Posture (Athena)
• Phalanx Shot (Athena)
• Heinous Affront (Duo)

Also despite its description the boon makes things recharge 26% faster, not 35%

The math is weird and bad

[opal pecan]

What about things like aspect traits (Momus turrets, Artemis parry cooldown), or curse ICDs (Wounds, Freeze, etc.)

[signal coral]

Nothing else

[opal pecan]

Inch resting, thanks 🫡

[indigo coyote]

ihaveaquestion, are the 4 gods determined the moment you start a run? or can i ignore them untill i get a different god?

[opal pecan]

They are not predetermined, it's all up to your choices

That being said, from experience, sometimes the RNG just really likes one particular god and screw what you want lol

[indigo coyote]

yeah been trying to ignore i particular god for 2 whole region and they just keep coming back

thanks

[left dirge]

I played hades 1 for a bit again and got too used to double dashing

[opal pecan]

Just bad luck yeah

[spiral wadi]

alternate universe where hermes legendary cost money to doubledash

[indigo coyote]

i'd dig a double dash in Hades 2 being Legendary from Hermes

[brisk basalt]

i died two runs in a row to frenzy 2 rivals typhon child phase , taking this as my cue that my reaction time is too bad to ever play frenzy again

[hollow briar]

Hippos are the worst oh my god I cannot stand them

[opal pecan]

If y'all could set your game to never spawn a specific normal enemy in each region, which would you pick? (they would get replaced by other region-appropriate enemies)

[viral yew]

The windmill enemies in erebus, the crabs in oceanus, the suck n blow in fields, and the hourglass in tart

[hollow briar]

Screamers, small fish, Fields is fine, Tempi

[opal pecan]

Wait wdym by windmill

[flint widget]

i agree except fields is those rapid punching dudes

[opal pecan]

The punchy dudes at least are fun to Night Bloom

Vacuum blobs are annoying AND useless to Night Bloom

[indigo viper]

Tysm guys for advices - i cleared 32f surface on Circe staff.
Now, just axe and coat left.

[devout ermine]

phew

starting a pom squared run and felt dread having to pick ares attack but hera on miniboss saved the day by offering me a sac boon for heroic tier hera attack

[viral yew]

What's wrong with ares 😒

[devout ermine]

its that i wanted him on special not attack

nothing wrong with ares himself

[viral yew]

Oh that's fine then

[devout ermine]

in fact i've been trying to explore his boons and such but i took a brief break because i was getting frustrated at my 32 fear setup (i intend to push higher fear once i master frenzy 2 rivals 4 @ 32 both sides)

[viral yew]

What's the setup?

[devout ermine]

https://imgur.com/a/pzGt3AZ

[viral yew]

Fair

[devout ermine]

just not yet fully learned in frenzy 2

tough stuff but i've cleared chronos a couple of times on this before i took that break

lost to hec because i have big trouble with skull aiming on controller

it feels like it doesnt perfectly follow my aim which makes it feel sluggish and bad, and i really dislike omega attack on skull even knowing its really good

[viral yew]

Omega attack on skull is not very good

[devout ermine]

either way i tend to stick to medea skull because i dont have to aim for shooting

in terms of the attack itself

the special on skull is easy for me to maneuver with so i find no trouble with that

switching it up, mel staff and i beat hec with the most barebones erebus i've seen in a while

born gain, zeus special, shimmering moonshot, trusty shield, fine line,

[opal pecan]

Shimmering is aces

[devout ermine]

if i dont choke in tartarus i should be good as gold

didnt even lose a DD to sirens

[left dirge]

Huh i havent seen hermes’ legendary in a long time

Was it always gold for life?

Idk if i became more stingy bc it feels like you get more coins in 2 than 1 but it just hit me how oof that is?

[devout ermine]

pfff,,,

archaic seal into chimera jerky on mel staff

[viral yew]

Before or after sirens

[devout ermine]

after

i already said i cleared sirens

[viral yew]

Oh same run

[devout ermine]

ye mel staff

dog down

still no DDs down, but it was closer than sirens for once

PFFFFF

from well just after cerb, archaic seal into witch's mark

https://imgur.com/a/rdbs4wO here's how it looks going into tartarus

gigaros dash from pops room

[viral yew]

Why would you take gigaros that late 😭

[devout ermine]

because its still useful to me?

[viral yew]

In what way

[devout ermine]

because despite my build favoring omega special, i still have uses for normal attack and special in attack strings, especially considering frenzy 2

[viral yew]

What does that have to do with gigaros

[devout ermine]

the Scorn effect it puts out

[viral yew]

Most useless status effect ong

[signal coral]

Tbh gigaros is still fine from hades

Its not the best thing to see usually but it does something useful