h2-builds-and-combat

[dreamy veldt]

I typically try to avoid the same god on attack and special but when you get offered a level 6 epic Hestia attack while playing skull it's hard to pass up

[opal pecan]

TBF dash doesn't need PT

[edgy nacelle]

I mean. yeah dash isn’t scorch, so it won’t even unlock PT
but special, yes

[dreamy veldt]

Hestia dash has always been one of my favorites

[opal pecan]

It's just a friendly helpful buddy, I don't know why people rag on it

[austere trail]

wait people rag on hestia rush?

[edgy nacelle]

I…. kiiiiind of miss her old dash a tad? but I like the new one too. it was just funny making Eris unable to deal damage to you by sprinting lmao

[dreamy veldt]

Leaving a trail of lava is based

[dreamy veldt]

Huh

[glass bone]

I think it’s cause it’s not Apollo/Hera/Dem, to give a curse

[edgy nacelle]

her old dash was her legendary, but tied to sprint not cast
her old legendary was her current dash

[dreamy veldt]

Oh interesting

[edgy nacelle]

so vs non-rivals eris you could just… sprint, and all her bullets would get burned up and apply scorch to her lol. altho iirc the scorch scaling was REALLY bad

[silent crow]

her kit is soo boring

[opal pecan]

Your BUTT is b oring

[silent crow]

lies

[edgy nacelle]

to each their own lmao, I enjoy it

[glass bone]

Enjoy what?

[opal pecan]

LMAO

[edgy nacelle]

LMAOOO

[edgy nacelle]

also yeah this is probably true but ALSO ppl underrate Dem’s smh

I think some ppl rly just click blinding rush or nothing. or stabbing rush if your name is sand

[dreamy veldt]

Hera is weird for me cause on one hand, her like, combat boons aren't very exciting to me but her random ones are so cool

[silent crow]

it doesnt do an ythuing man 💔

[dreamy veldt]

Bridal glow proper upbringing, the one with demeter

[silent crow]

sprinting through enemies isnt something that happens often enough and the damage isnt good

[edgy nacelle]

I love hitch as a status curse, and all her non-hitch boons are really neat imo
fine lines, born gain, her rarity stuff, rousing reception slaps at low fear…

[dreamy veldt]

Well make it happen often

[opal pecan]

Hera on multitarget moves is epic as hell

[silent crow]

just a waste of time bc the damage isnt good

[silent crow]

hitch is a cool curse but im just tired of it

and the t2's for it are painfully boring

[pure grove]

Hestia dash is meh. I’ve literally never taken it other than duo boon slots

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah non hitch is a good way to put it, though I'm not a huge fan of born gain

[silent crow]

i hate how it like. tricks you into thinking your damage is good a lot of the time

[pure grove]

Even with torch secret aspect, Hestia dash is just… eh

[silent crow]

because its just that broken of a mechanic

[edgy nacelle]

I don’t click born gain at high fear unless I’m not using magick ngl, it’s scary
but for 0-40? hell yeah I love that thing. also silver wheel value

[silent crow]

born game is the same way its so comically stupid it isnt fun anymore

[edgy nacelle]

but also ik you tend to dislike op things in this game, iirc you dislike mirrored thrasher and maybe trick knives as well…?

[silent crow]

i do!

[edgy nacelle]

altho those are more fair to me because they turn more varied weapons into 1 button builds lol

[pure grove]

Born gain is honestly a comfort pick if I’m already running Hera, but Apollo and Hestia gains are really good too

[silent crow]

i dont necessarily dislike op things i dont like things that are centralizing like that

[pure grove]

Zeus is also pretty good if you pom it once or twice. Honestly can’t think of a bad gain except for Heph, but you don’t take that for magick lol

[dreamy veldt]

There's few gain boons that I wouldn't pick before hera

[edgy nacelle]

yesss they’re both great. altho I’m also in my flood gain loving arc, which I never thought I’d say
(blame it on possessed array)

[silent crow]

hera fits in that category imo you have to make arguments to pick other core boons before hers usually

"ah yeah technically aprho attack is better here but in every other scenario just click hera rofl"

[edgy nacelle]

tbh if I was starting h2 now and being exposed to meta conversations from the start I might feel the same…?
but hera had my favorite boons when I was playing blind based purely off of vibes, so I’m not going to let her place in the meta change that for me 🤷

[silent crow]

thats fair

my favorite from the start was always apollo

[pure grove]

Hera’s cast is stupid fun. It’s definitely not the best, but I like popping fishies

[silent crow]

specifically apollo & demeter's boons not related to freeze

whne ares came out he was my new favorite tho

[dreamy veldt]

Heroic hard target or heroic quick buck

[twin panther]

I never go with Hard Target, so...

[dreamy veldt]

Hestia probably my favorite overall in terms of boons

[pure grove]

Always quick buck. Money is king

[dreamy veldt]

I love scorch, I love her dash and gain

[twin panther]

Even at common, Quick Buck is better.

[dreamy veldt]

Not sure if I believe that but I'll go with bucko

Actually I could just do heroic travel deal

I don't take it that much compared to the other two

[twin panther]

Can also work, but it helps having lots of money for that one.

[dreamy veldt]

I'll do that

[edgy nacelle]

excellent taste
hestia was my other original favorite when I started playing lol

[dreamy veldt]

Well I have gold dress so that shouldn't be an issue

[edgy nacelle]

is this surface or UW?
for surface I never say no to more money lol, hermes shrines are plentiful so you can just buy them out

[dreamy veldt]

Hot pot baybee

This is UW

[edgy nacelle]

also hm. I’m trying to think how my weapon tastes have evolved since I started playing.
my original favorite aspect was Eos, and I didn’t get into other torches until later weirdly. loved Nyx before it got buffed… loved old Mel staff a lot lol. and Pan.
but other than Eos all of those have gotten p major buffs nerfs or reworks

[dreamy veldt]

Ares is growing on me

[edgy nacelle]

I just wish blood spree worked through scars, and that he had like…. 1 less plasma generation boon.
I like him overall but I feel like at high fear whenever I pick him he has a good chance to not offer me anything I want

[silent crow]

visceral impact is terrible it needs to be removed

[edgy nacelle]

in an ideal world would you replace it with another revenge effect so it still counts towards heinous? or nah

[silent crow]

"hits and taking damage has a chance to drop a blade"

weapon hits

so itd be different from froth and more war themed

[edgy nacelle]

or ig attack and special (not omegas) so it complements cut above 🤷
but yeah I’d be into that

[silent crow]

taking damage would always drop hits have a chance

[dreamy veldt]

Bought a chaos gate and it shows up where my room options are Hestia boss or Poseidon boss

[silent crow]

did you get a boss room before

[edgy nacelle]

is this still a “I need PT” run?

[dreamy veldt]

Pyro technique acquired

[edgy nacelle]

hmmm. what could poseidon give you

[dreamy veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/incredibles-something-amazing-gif-13336521

[pure grove]

Sea star

[edgy nacelle]

still need a cast? maybe a gain? or is it just snea snar, high surf etc
or do you already have splash

idek what weapon you’re using ngl, kinda distracted

[dreamy veldt]

I have Hestia attack special dash, Poseidon cast, Ares gain on momskull

[edgy nacelle]

whereas hestia could give the ever useful flash fry
maybe some slow cooker
glowing coal or controlled burn if you like those

[dreamy veldt]

Hestia basically doesn't have a bad hit for me

[silent crow]

i guess high surf is good with the pom levels

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah like actually thinking about it Poseidon room wasn't all that valuable, I just like Poseidon boons in general

[edgy nacelle]

yeah like. worst case scenario the worst possible hestia boon select screen for you would be like…. snuffed candle, highly flammable, and a sacrifice I guess. anything else is solidly rly good

[cerulean panther]

Snuffed Candle isn't great, there's very few cases in which you really have a completely 1v1 fight.

[silent crow]

snuffed candle is bottom 5 boons in the game

[dreamy veldt]

Also possessed array with grisly gain is so fun

[edgy nacelle]

ooh haven’t tried that. how well can it keep up?

[silent crow]

...theres no way

[edgy nacelle]

I usually grab born/flood/lucid

[dreamy veldt]

Amazingly but I also have level 9 rare visceral impact

[edgy nacelle]

I would assume it can’t keep up at all ngl

I suppose p.array doubles your hits per input so more chances to spawn plasma, but still

[dreamy veldt]

50% from visceral 25% from grisly

I didn't think it would be that good but I was very mistaken

[edgy nacelle]

hmmmm for room clear visceral prob pops off.
for bossing….. we shall see

[dreamy veldt]

I'll send a clip at some point

[edgy nacelle]

losing 15-30 magick per enemy defeated may slow you down a bit

[dreamy veldt]

Zeus showing up for my final slot

[edgy nacelle]

oh hm. what can he offer at this point static shock and lightning lance I guess?

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah I took static shock

For the longest time I was iffy on Zeus but now he's kind of an auto pick for me

https://imgur.com/a/kMMaBJQ

Wait, can I cheese an experimental hammer roll? Cause I know you can't change the outcome of it but I should be able to click it, and then if I get wide grin I can close the game and come back to before I picked it

Right

[opal pecan]

I'm not sure the game lets you quit if you choose a new keepsake 🤔

[dreamy veldt]

Oh it probably saves right after you pick

Well idk if it's worth it

The risk I mean

[austere trail]

alt f4 maybe

[dreamy veldt]

Well I can pick Arachne since I have a dress, echo, Chronos, or just charon ig

Also I'm on switcho

[austere trail]

typical console L

(tbh part of the fun in this game is the rng)

[dreamy veldt]

I agree, but I just don't want to get wide grin

Any time else I would just click it without thinking

Watch us probably good here

[opal pecan]

If Alt F4, it has the same effect as hitting Undo Night, fyi

[silent crow]

just dont take the hammer

[opal pecan]

Q: Discord user escalier, why do you know this information?
A: Did you know that you can quickly Quit if you've hit the wrong door on the way out of a normal encounter, but if you try to do this on the way out of Chaos' realm, it simply doesn't work?
Q: Discord user escalier, why do you know that information? Also, you didn't answer my previous question.
A: oh dear, is that my cab? BRB byyyyyye /vanishes

[silent crow]

also wide grin isnt even that bad on persephone

[tawny imp]

what the hell my controller drift made me pick reaper frfame over exhaust riser 😭

[opal pecan]

nOoooo

[dreamy veldt]

Persephone isn't the issue, it's Hestia attack with pt

[tawny imp]

holy hell id id not realize chain conductor was THIS strong

[dreamy veldt]

God heck I lost my dress cause the sad gas spawned on top of me

[opal pecan]

Sad gas 😩

[edgy nacelle]

yeah with exp hammer you cannot save scum it sadly
HOWEVER
if you drink from a fountain then realize you could have used phial, you can quit and it’ll load you back in before you drank

but I think changing keepsake does save

[dreamy veldt]

Today I learned that you can qualify for the Hestia Ares duo that makes wounds stronger even if you don't have any boons that inflict wounds

[opal pecan]

The Hestia Ares duo doesn't make wounds stronger, it makes your fireball stuff do wounds

That would probably be why it doesn't require you to have other wound-inflicters

[dreamy veldt]

Ohhhh

I've been misreading it this whole time then

[opal pecan]

It's just that the fireball wounds from the duo are, iirc, stronger than normal wounds, which is what it means by that

Anyway Grave Thirst is back on skulls, wonder if I can ever make up for the run I threw away 😔

Charon makes me go "I don't like u" but skulls me go "I am so bad at u"

[dreamy veldt]

What do you struggle with on it?

[opal pecan]

I can't aim, so I end up specialing into bad positions (or on Mel/Persephone, missing skull shots)

[dreamy veldt]

Are you a mouse and keyboard player

[opal pecan]

Yes -- when I say I can't aim, I am referring to my personal ability and not my tools :P

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah ik

Well f can't help you then

[opal pecan]

Yep! It's just the way it is 🫡

[dreamy veldt]

Is moving like league?

[silent crow]

just get closer

[dreamy veldt]

Point to area on the map and you move towards it

[silent crow]

no you move with wasd

[cerulean panther]

Kinda, with skull Special?

[dreamy veldt]

EWWW

Thank God for making me a switch player

[silent crow]

your cursor aims attacks

[opal pecan]

Admittedly I do have one issue that I think is not 100% my issue (only 99% lmao), which is that it's hard for me to see where the damn cursor is sometimes

[silent crow]

yeah games visual clarity sucjs

[cerulean panther]

I thought the colorblind cursor in H1 did a great job, we need an "obnoxiously visible" option in H2.

Try to keep track of your cursor during a Giga Cleaver/Exceptional Talent Charon barrage.

[opal pecan]

There is a "bright cursor" option which I already turned on, but it.... doesn't help very much

[cerulean panther]

Too much visual noise in H2.

[dreamy veldt]

I suck

[tawny imp]

is skull omega attack any good withiout array

[dreamy veldt]

I took chaos keepsake, it gave me the boon that gives me 3 of all the elements, which activated my rallying cry, and then I said to myself ok I have to make sure I don't lose this before getting to Chronos

And then I lost the ability to count

[tawny imp]

you gain +3 of each element but you lose counting skills

[dreamy veldt]

Now I gain +140% gold right before the final shop

[hollow stag]

Does Zeus' Power Surge activate from Skull's Possessed Array hammer?

[opal pecan]

I'm p sure Power Surge wording says "use"

[dreamy veldt]

Two Ares boons in shop we are so in there

[opal pecan]

Anything that says "use" is not activated by "lose"

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah basically nothing is activated by possessed array

[hollow stag]

Except Ocean Swell and Fine Line. Cut Above also presumably.

[dreamy veldt]

Ok I'm gonna do something really silly

I have Hestia Poseidon duo and my cash is my only source of froth

I'm being offered Ares cast which is my last requirement to get his legendary

So I'm gonna take it for the gamble

And I now have water fitness with 0 water 💀

Didn't get offered the legendary let's gooo

[silent crow]

worst decision ever

[dreamy veldt]

Well rallying cry is active now!

[opal pecan]

Sanity check so that I don't nerves myself out again -- I'm thinking I'll just Fang it like usual, but given the givens, should I consider Wheeling it? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280788714790322176/1444846504979333120/image.png?ex=692e31aa&is=692ce02a&hm=6a6bc8036c436b28b214b0eea68e5b3d45cf7aaacde3e18c0760fb5c1338554b&

[silent crow]

is this just rivals 4

[opal pecan]

No, I don't have any real vows on

[silent crow]

is this just a fun run

[dreamy veldt]

Boosted ignition or melting break on medea

[opal pecan]

This is a redemption run for having thrown the previous skull run 😆

[opal pecan]

I vote boostie bois

[silent crow]

if u really wanna win go pin or sash tbh

wait this is str nvm sash is good athena is good

chronos will die too fast for wheel to matter

[opal pecan]

Hmmm

Fang it is then 🫡 As long as I don't throw

(again)

[gaunt basin]

what weapon is best for high fear surface (40+) between anubis and morrigan?

[dreamy veldt]

Do you guys use fang a lot?

It like doesn't exist to me

[opal pecan]

Did you max rank it?

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah

[opal pecan]

It's a nice boost for final region

[hollow briar]

Probably Morrigan

[opal pecan]

Plus if you luck into getting Cherished Heirloom, or even better, late Cherished Heirloom, it goes wild

[dreamy veldt]

I would use it all the time if it was reversed

[hollow briar]

If I'm good on DDs and don't feel comfortable with Antler in Tartarus, yeah

[gaunt basin]

ty

also my end goal is 50 fear is that easier on surface or underworld?

[opal pecan]

It would be OP beyond words if it were reversed

[hollow briar]

Underworld by FAR

[gaunt basin]

then im doing surface

ty

[hollow briar]

Based

[gaunt basin]

honestly at this point i have 120 hrs every achievement like how hard can it be?

probably very hard lol

[dreamy veldt]

Very

[gaunt basin]

is the time limit smart to take?

im rlly bad at being fast tbh

[silent crow]

respect... doubled?!

[opal pecan]

How long do your runs typically take?

[gaunt basin]

15-20 mins

[tawny imp]

i genuinely do not understand how to play shiva

[gaunt basin]

never more or less

[silent crow]

timer 3 is 5 minutes per region you'll be fine

[opal pecan]

I threw again

I can't aim

[gaunt basin]

il do timer 1 just in case bcs il be taking maxed out enemy hp

so it will take a bit longer than usual im expecting

[silent crow]

man

maybe you need antler

[opal pecan]

sdfgkjshdfgjkhjkfdthjk LMAO

[silent crow]

u had like 100 armor man

[gaunt basin]

is bottom left quadrant arcana a good idea for high fear or should i yolo it with fates whim?

srry for so many questions ive never gone beyond 32 fear so idk

[opal pecan]

I ate TWO INSTAKILLS because I can't aim

[tawny imp]

nexus rush + flash fry is some of the most satisfying room clear ive ever had

[opal pecan]

In both cases, if I had actually clicked on gramps, it would have gotten there before the instakill

I clicked, like, idk, a centimeter to his left

[silent crow]

i dont think htats because of aim

i think you're just a little stupid no offense

[opal pecan]

^

[silent crow]

you really should not be banking runs on phasing chronos during the instakill dude

it doesnt make you cool

[opal pecan]

I'm not trying to be cool, I'm just trying to fulfill my arbitrarily established personal goal

For reasons of all of this is imaginary pixels and ya gotta pick something to do

[plain palm]

Blitz Special + Arc Flash on Eos is really good damn
Trying to see how well Poseidon works on the special and it's really not as good as Zeus

[dreamy veldt]

Medea
Aphrodite Poseidon and Heph in pool
Demeter or Hera as the last god

[opal pecan]

Hera 😈

😈 😏 🦚

[dreamy veldt]

I'm so bad at Medea lol

I can't aim

[still girder]

mel coat yesterday was sooooo fun, what should i do today?

[viral yew]

Shiva

[dreamy veldt]

Anything but shiva

[still girder]

aw wait! i guess i don't have shiva

what weapon is shiva on?

[dreamy veldt]

Coat

[still girder]

oo makes sense

welp

[dreamy veldt]

Do you have hidden blades aspect

[still girder]

nope!

[viral yew]

What's wrong with shiva

[viral yew]

Do circe then

[still girder]

really, circe over just regular mel staff?

coolio, what makes it different?

[viral yew]

Double cast

[still girder]

OH got it

[viral yew]

You can have really strong cast builds

[opal pecan]

And you get a laser beam :3

[still girder]

hmmmmm okay okay okay, so like....... hm

what cast to build into... zeus..?

[viral yew]

Zeus is best and easiest

[still girder]

zeus also gives you specials

er

[viral yew]

You can highroll for apollo winners circle

[opal pecan]

Just don't do the Poseidon one since it doesn't work properly with Circe

[still girder]

zeus on attack, then trigger it with special

[viral yew]

As long as you have origination cast is gonna be the big damage

[still girder]

right? dash attack -> special spam for weapon dps, and then zeus / apollo on casts?

cooool 😄 okay, which familiar?

[viral yew]

Pretty much, gale is best

[still girder]

should i be omega casting or just spamming regular casts?

i have never really used omega casts

[opal pecan]

Regular unless you have downtime

[still girder]

cool

[viral yew]

On Zeus? Regular, on apollo? Omega

[still girder]

cool 😄 so now to pick a pet! 😄 i guess frinos is the easiest to control their position..?

raki flies around so much

[silent crow]

gale is good

[opal pecan]

Luthien meant Gale the pet, not gale the effect

[broken spoke]

Raki almost always on top on enemy

[still girder]

oh gotcha, bring gale then

[broken spoke]

Gale almost always follow you

[opal pecan]

It's basically a situation where there are multiple ways to play it

[broken spoke]

Frinos just do whatever he wants

[opal pecan]

Stacking casts in the same spot vs. ganking more enemies

[bronze flax]

I think Raki is the best, he follows the enemies. Gale follows you and it makes Psychic Leash less reliable as a damage source

Toula is good, but you have to wake her up on every room and that can be annoying

[viral yew]

Gale is better than raki

He gives better leash tracking

[bronze flax]

If you want to go with cast stacking, sure, but the leash becomes less useful imo

[viral yew]

Gale is also better for cast stacking

[austere trail]

Oh huh, nice

[viral yew]

There is some tech involved

[dreamy veldt]

Offered pomx3 and my highest level is heph special at level 6 👀

Time to get the most worth pomx3 ever

[still girder]

LOL okay circe is hilarious
storm ring, artic gale, double strike, tropical cyclone
didn't get any of the cool apollo "cast twice" stuff

[hollow stag]

What's a good weapon for Zeus Attack?

[still girder]

mel staff! build zeus attack, and then a high damage special

if you dash strike and immediately special, you can basically instantly proc the zap every time

it makes your dps really really really high, that's the build i used the most starting out to get wins

[vernal quiver]

Everything 🥀

[edgy nacelle]

....yeah kind of everything ngl
not Charon, since when do you press the attack button anyway

ig the question is partly "which weapons would prefer Zeus attack > Zeus special"
in which case Mel Staff for sure

[silent crow]

mel torch

get arc flash boon

[junior trail]

mel staff

[edgy nacelle]

I believe some axes like Zeus attack? but I don't play axe often

[junior trail]

yeah than axe too + arc flash

[silent crow]

than axe is decent with it

[opal pecan]

Self-proccing lol

[silent crow]

blitz attack is best in slot for all trick knives too

and pan i guess you can do blitz attack on pan

[hollow stag]

Zeus Attack seem strongest on Thanatos Scythe

[still girder]

blitz attack on knives? i always thought the knives would like want poseidon or something

poseidon or a bunch of hestia

[silent crow]

you use blitz attack with the trick knives hammer only

[still girder]

AH

oh i see, specifically that hammer. oops lmao

[silent crow]

and aspect of pan

[junior trail]

not rly, hera is ideal
especially when you play with fear stuff like grit, hordes, wards

zeus attack is still pretty fun tho ngl

[still girder]

how is pan anyway

i remember in early access pan was really good and you could just drop the cast and then spam omega special for ridiculous damage

[silent crow]

bad

they gutted it

its still usable on lower levels with your classic poseidon special but its much slower and clunkier and you need more setup combat-wise because dashing at the end of your ospecial cancels the knives

[upbeat matrix]

I'm ngl out of base daggers, mel seems best

[glass bone]

Blitz attack special on knives imo, specifically Mel Blades.

[silent crow]

yes that is correct

[opal pecan]

Mel blades hell yeah blades

[silent crow]

i was talking abt trick knives specifically

[upbeat matrix]

I would play Artemis more but tbh I don't like parry mechanics at all

[junior trail]

mel blades 🥀

[opal pecan]

It's not even really a parry imo, it's just called parry

[glass bone]

Otherwise, I’d rather go Hera / Apollo Special for Artemis, and I guess Poseidon on Pan (but I’d rather go Blitz / Hitch / Scorch / Nova Flourish on Pan with TK)

[silent crow]

so happy artemis didnt get changed in EA

[still girder]

how

[upbeat matrix]

I can see Artemis popping ofc using the riposte stuff but.....even though I want to use it's not my playstyle

[glass bone]

I’m not. I wish Artemis wouldn’t lose charges on a miss.

[silent crow]

im not happy. that was a joke

[still girder]

how's persephone skull? i've only ever played medea

[junior trail]

very good, not the medea level ofc but still pretty great

[silent crow]

strong

[glass bone]

Arguably the second best skull, depending on how much you like Hel over it.

[still girder]

sweet, what do you do on it?

[silent crow]

its kind of wack and weird you just do whatever

the extra pom levels let you run whatever the hell on any slot

[glass bone]

Blasts or Scorch Attack, or Aphro OSpecial, or Fine Line Ocean Swell Possessed Array

[silent crow]

its one of the weapons where you want to be clicking every button

[limpid spear]

bro you gotta branch out. there's a whole world out there lol

[broken spoke]

When boon come in level 8 it is strong

[upbeat matrix]

Oh god a medea one trick

[still girder]

i AM branching out 😭 i've been playing new stuff every day now that i did my 32 fear stuff

[still girder]

rude, i also play moros and mel staff 😂

[limpid spear]

persephone makes for the funniest jpom builds. literally the most random build will just hit the mega pom levels and you destroy everything!

[glass bone]

Fun fact, Persephone Skull + JPom can lead to a boon getting to Level 10, which can bring a common attack to the lowest cooldown possible.

[hollow stag]

I forgot about Apollo. He's way better too.

[still girder]

and apparently mel coat
mel coat's so much fun lmfao

[upbeat matrix]

Tbh after playing coat I feel coat is fun, you can use any of the omega and base moves without throwing and every coat aspect has a fun gimmick

Although I'm playing selene coat.....am I torturing myself LMAO

[limpid spear]

maybe if you get zeus attk + arc flash? not sure if you can trigger before hitting 120dmg though. would need to have low damage from casts etc

[silent crow]

no selene is good

[edgy nacelle]

I believe a high fear player told me that seething marauder + zeus attack is very good on Than axe, which makes sense to me 👀
because then with just origination you're dealing 120 damage total even on your weakest attack

[silent crow]

everyone will try to gaslight you into thinking its bad because coat is like the least popular weapon

[viral yew]

Selene is bad the other aspects are all good

[silent crow]

and people dont like hexrs

[glass bone]

I think you meant “no Selene, is good” than “no, Selene is good” /j

[junior trail]

english is englishing

[upbeat matrix]

Even in high fear? 👉 👈

[silent crow]

selene is my goat i will not stand for this

[edgy nacelle]

Selene is fun and I love coat overall, but it's def not a very strong aspect
also has one of the only hexes I don't rly like

[bronze flax]

Yaaaay, that makes me oficially not "people"

[glass bone]

Ok but really though. My perspective is “I don’t like Selene coat, cause I find there’s better hexes via Night Bloom, Total Eclipse (Godsent), and Twilight Curse. And if you ignore the hex, you mind as well pick a different aspect to do better”

[silent crow]

foolish likes it and hes like The Guy so you can do it too

[viral yew]

Worst coat for high fear imo

[edgy nacelle]

I love hexes, but tbh that's a point against Selene coat since it means I have to use Sky Fall instead of more fun + strong ones

[junior trail]

old ferocity 🥀 autofire cascade bug 🥀

[upbeat matrix]

Need to hexscalate the stakes

[glass bone]

I keep going back and forth between Selene Coat and Shiva Coat as “the worst coat for high fear”.

[bronze flax]

Oh? Was it nerfed?

[glass bone]

It feels like Shiva should be better, but like… I struggled waaaay more with Shiva SF 62 than Selene SF 62, and both Selene and Shiva UW 62 clears were weapon agnostic strategies.

[upbeat matrix]

Playing nyx makes me feel like I'm gonna car crash with the omega boost

[opal pecan]

Is it just because their gimmicks are both magick dependent?

[silent crow]

they both also are bad into wards

and selene needs a lot of path of stars to get going

[glass bone]

My problem with Shiva is that it takes a lot of magick to do one singular attack, which sucks because of Wards + Hordes. Charon’s magick hungry combo is immediate (30), and is a multi-hit move (4 hits). Shiva’s technically has 4 hits also (can be 7 via 2 OSpecials + 1 OAttack), but takes waaaay longer to charge, and waaaaay more magick (45 + 1 to 30)

[junior trail]

not really a nerf but the old ferocity used to work with all curses (and now its just wounds, locked behind godsent)
sky fall + romantic was like a catwalk gaming

[bronze flax]

Wait, I am lost, I thought it was 50% Damage per consecutive hit on enemy, what did it do before? I don't see it interacting with curses

[glass bone]

The actual high fear strategy for Shiva because of this is spamming Attack (not dash attack), and OSpecial, or Blasts.

[bronze flax]

Pretty sure I saw a Max Fear run with Shiva

[junior trail]

its EA era pre-Unseen stuff, the old ferocity used to work like Dark Side's Resonance/Splendor

[bronze flax]

https://youtu.be/Ef9DQTHiQsk?si=qkILnlpw8aa1y63M

Knew it

[upbeat matrix]

He never used omegas

[edgy nacelle]

yup, max fear shiva has been done
iirc it used no magick, for the most part

[glass bone]

You did see right yeah, but in the words of Vy himself, Shiva sucks to play “naturally” at high fear, and it was a weapon-agnostic strategy cause Blasts + JPom is crazy

[bronze flax]

Ahhh, JPom

I have forgotten how to make a run without it, heeeelp

[glass bone]

The exact words are paraphrased cause I forgot it, and it was less PG, but the meaning is accurate

[silent crow]

its ok you will nrver need to

[junior trail]

i still dont want to believe mel blades is the best one

[limpid spear]

oh actually yea i assume by focusing on standard attacks. taking advanage of than attk speed

[upbeat matrix]

I think he did comment that the base shiva moveset is high dmg though

[limpid spear]

I was thinking only of O attk focused runs

[upbeat matrix]

The evidence is out there though

[glass bone]

Yeah, the intentional strategy is to use OAttack. But the OAttack strategy is bad at high fear.

Use Attack or Blasts

[edgy nacelle]

also dtb, since you're online—any tips for early erebus mel blades at 62? AoE and wards clear have been kind of annoying for runs where I don't get an offensive boon for ages

special spam feels great, but my timer is consistently an issue and I want to work on that, + I think it's specifically like. rooms 1-5 ish, depending on boon luck

[glass bone]

Early Erebus imo should use a mix of Attack and Special. Attack deals more damage but is less safe and is lower AoE.

So on the sharks or other big single enemies, Attack is great

[edgy nacelle]

hmmm gotcha, I will try to lean on attack more. I have absurdly little practice on mel and arty blades lol so. getting used to them

[junior trail]

meta is weird man

[upbeat matrix]

I want to play all weapons atlleast but not sure about what to choose for daggers and skull lol. For daggers it's probs b/w morrigan and mel although ibmight take pan...but for skulls...idk (I'm NOT going to touch medea btw I don't like that playstyle)

[edgy nacelle]

hmmm. epic heph special on mel blades. I mean...........

I do like blasts a lot
and it still gets innate %...

[junior trail]

go grab hestia and pos asap 🙂‍↕️

[opal pecan]

Y'ever get a run where every other piece of RNG was exactly in your favor but Hestia and Poseidon never showed their faces

[edgy nacelle]

fates willing I will

rn the pool is just heph and dem

hmmmmm timer is. bad. also no orig

but other than that I like the build I guess lmao

[still girder]

jeweled pom persephone skull got hands whoa

[opal pecan]

Mom squared

[still girder]

ok, so i still need to unlock the hidden staff, hidden axe, and hidden coat

[edgy nacelle]

....I think I sell frigid rush for a better chance at orig, now that I'm past rivals scylla? it's kinda served its purpose
also yeah mom skull + mom pom goes VERY hard

[still girder]

i bet i just need to do surface runs

[edgy nacelle]

hm what on earth do I take in fields... I mainly need help with timer... keepsakes keepsakes, hmhmhm

[opal pecan]

Amulet?

Is that dumb Idk

[edgy nacelle]

gorgon amulet? took in oceanus lmao because uh. 62 erebus

[opal pecan]

RIP

[edgy nacelle]

so rn 2/3 DDs, but only 30s on timer

[tawny imp]

Droplet?? Idk lol

[edgy nacelle]

I feel like it might fr be droplet or fang...? droplet just to like. move fast enough lol

exp hammer won't help much when my damage is mostly blasts

I could just embryo I suppose

or fig leaf and lose some value but help my timer 👀

[flint widget]

yo what are u running

[edgy nacelle]

mel blades, it's mostly heph blasts for damage rn lol

[tawny imp]

Droplet is usually what I take if I don’t have enough timer

[edgy nacelle]

but timer sucks, and no orig yet

sold frigid rush for more chances at orig from my 4th god (heph dem pos rn), and since it did its job vs charyb and hecate

[silent crow]

... lowk a god keepsake angle might be it

[edgy nacelle]

will they like. show up at all lol

[silent crow]

yeah

[edgy nacelle]

I just worry abt forfeit smh, forfeit + fields hates me

[silent crow]

it forces it on the midboss and then it forces it on the room after echo

[edgy nacelle]

I guess it would be apollo then for blinding, easy orig?

[silent crow]

i believe i tested this a few days ago it shows the keepsake popup text twice

[edgy nacelle]

hestia has a better duo but scorch attack is not going to keep orig active lol, and I may never get offered the duo

I'll take apollo, I think having orig and movespeed is important

[silent crow]

i take full responsibility if you get owned by this but im pretty sure thats the angle ya

[edgy nacelle]

nah no worries either way, I still suck at blades so if I die it's my own fault
but wish me luck

[silent crow]

you got this gng

[edgy nacelle]

I misclicked a hammer 💀
not that it matters, it wasn't a bad one just. meh. sigh. ah well

[silent crow]

what were the options

[edgy nacelle]

the one I missed was reaper knives, for an attack focused hammer
mouse clicked as I changed tabs

also. apollo midboss showed up alongside echo
so. hoping uh. he shows up again

[silent crow]

he should be forced to ...

wait wdym alongside

[edgy nacelle]

okok he did
I don't have experience skipping a god I took a keepsake for

[edgy nacelle]

2 reward room 1
2 reward room 2
echo + boss room 3

weird fields layout lol

[silent crow]

wtf why is this happening to you

i guess its fast..?

[silent crow]

from my experience the game tries really really hard to force that god on you

[edgy nacelle]

💀 no blinding rush. sigh

[silent crow]

i was in a chaos trial and skipped the keepsake god like 4 rooms in a row and it kept showing up

[silent crow]

bruh wtf did u hit

[edgy nacelle]

but free apollo boon alongside shop, and I'm still missing a DD, so I'll save my money and take it

[edgy nacelle]

prom flate, self healing, nova strike
took healing, it's on and it goes thru scars

[silent crow]

not nova strike really?

[edgy nacelle]

eh I don't rly click attack 🤷

like. it's not useless but

healing through scars is very nice

[junior trail]

dazzling display > rude lessgooo

[silent crow]

real news

[edgy nacelle]

also, awful cerb fight lmao my damage simply is not there so that took ages 😔

prob just going to antler tart, run is doomed anyway

[silent crow]

antler is calling

[edgy nacelle]

I mean yeah it has to be, I have 4 total seconds on the clock leaving cerb and Nem already showed up, so

yeahhhh nope. timed out to chronos p2 and died 😔 did him hitless until that point at least

turns out without duos min cooldown blast alone cannot in fact carry my run 💔

[silent crow]

shouldve ransomed a 400 dmg blitz indtead

[opal pecan]

Did you have any of the t2 blast-enhancement boons? 🥺

[edgy nacelle]

common caldera...?

which, you know. not nothing. but not enough damage with wards hordes and grit lol

[silent crow]

basically nothing dude

what is common caldera like 75 damage

[still girder]

i wonder if anything will replace moros torches for "most fun aspect" lol

[dreamy veldt]

I have an idea

[still girder]

what's your idea user "THEMORRIGANG"

[dreamy veldt]

Momskull

[edgy nacelle]

. oh. I didn't unseal and missed my midshop. SIGH. oceanus why are you like this

[viral yew]

Momskull is really boring

[viral yew]

You can unseal for a midshop?

[edgy nacelle]

yes 💀 very rarely

[viral yew]

I never unseal anyway

[edgy nacelle]

me neither, but not getting offered a midshop at all sucks

[tropic saffron]

what would be some good builds for the nergal axe?

[vernal quiver]

Psychic whirlwind then like a % boon on atk and origination off dash/cast and you're good

[opal pecan]

I'm trying real hard to get a feel for Psychic Whirlwind but it aint happening 😭

[edgy nacelle]

yeahhhh ok I'm doing morrigan for my blades clear
didn't win but it just goes so much more smoothly for me

[twin panther]

Couldn't disagree more. It was made to play with Fates' Whim, so it's the opposite of boring imo.

[opal pecan]

Sometimes, one must simply forge one's own path through the darkness 😔

[twin panther]

And I feel safer with its specials. Medea is a tad too unsafe for my liking.

[opal pecan]

I will say, after banging my head against the wall of Mel skull for several runs in a row, the one thing Medea has going for it is that you only have to aim your special, instead of aiming both your attack and also your special

I beg forgiveness from whomever it was to whom I quipped that Medea still needed aim

[edgy nacelle]

honestly while I agree that the dopamine of getting a lv9 or lv10 boon right out the gate is nice, I don't... really think mom skull is made for fate's whim tbh 🤷 *or at least not more than every flexible aspect is
for most boons early pom levels do more than later pom levels, so the difference between the normal +3 and a 50% chance of an additional +1-6 won't be that huge on a lot of boons. some yes! but not most

it's very fun with fate's whim, but in a way it benefits less from fate's whim than other aspects, since you get that initial lv1=>lv2/3 bonus without fate's whim being active, a lot of the time
so unless you're doing heph blasts (for instance) it feels on-theme but idt it's like. actively better with it

[silent crow]

i disagree most boons have linear scaling past lv2 anyway so the extra levels are making equal impact

[edgy nacelle]

I don't think the extra levels are bad, but would you say that mom pom is specifically more synergistic with fate's whim than other aspects?

cause for me like. I skip poms way more often if I'm using jpom, because unless I'm running heph blasts I don't really care about additional levels compared to other bonuses. the scaling is linear and it's never bad, but I don't think giving bonus levels make mom skull inherently made for fate's whim more so than everything else is

[silent crow]

thats fair actually it isnt really made for fates whim its just very good with it

its just more of good thing

[edgy nacelle]

yup
I rly like playing it with fate's whim, I just don't think it's any more synergistic with it than other aspects with flexible god pools

[silent crow]

all aspects except like. 3 have flexible god pools

[edgy nacelle]

yeah lol
and all aspects except like 3 strongly prefer fate's whim

[opal pecan]

Aspects with least flexible god pools for casual runs go

[silent crow]

heph shows up room 1 and you dont get any other boons in the run

[silent crow]

hel 100%

[edgy nacelle]

hel
charon
pan if you don't roll TK, but it's very flexible if you do. uhhh

honestly Hel is first place for me
Hel feels rly bad without like.... one of 2 specific attack boons

[silent crow]

charon at least has damage on basekit hel has literally nothing

[edgy nacelle]

if casual runs = 0 fear just trying to beat the final boss then everything works tho
idt Hel will feel good with Demeter attack or w/e but it'll clear

[opal pecan]

IDK why Hel specifically has the potential to feel so bad. I've had lots of coat runs with ~suboptimal~ core boons and like. They weren't gonna be going super fast but they were still breezy.

[edgy nacelle]

coat has higher base damage at least lol

[opal pecan]

I guess so!

[silent crow]

its because nobody complained about it in EA because it was out for one patch and it was by far the least popular hidden aspect

[edgy nacelle]

like. coat isn't quite in air quality range, even

[silent crow]

coat has higher base damage than the blades

[opal pecan]

Huh, TIL. I have very little grasp on the numbers tbh

[edgy nacelle]

coat base attack damage is 40
so even just with furies, before orig, you're doing more than AQ can buff you to

[opal pecan]

I was gonna complain a bit about staff getting a +30 attack hammer but I guess tbf coat is faster

[edgy nacelle]

so it has twice as much base power per hit as Hel lol... and also idt Hel even has hammers which increase the base attack power?

[opal pecan]

I don't think so, no, Garmr is +% isn't it

[edgy nacelle]

also the staff combo is 20-25-60

[silent crow]

the staff +30 pwr hammer is a relic of when staf was bad

[opal pecan]

Wild then lmao

[silent crow]

and instead of fixing the weapon they just gave it 5 broken hammers

[edgy nacelle]

omg. didn't think of it this way before but
non-Mel dash strike on axe = coat basic attack, same base power

Mel axe ofc takes it up to 90 from 40, but still. coat scaling isn't actively bad

[silent crow]

this is why it confounds me when people suggest dash striking on than axe

[edgy nacelle]

supay wins the award for single lowest base damage on anything tho
most things w low power are 20

supay is 10 and 15....

[opal pecan]

AQ Supay....

[edgy nacelle]

I mean yeah, great AQ weapon tbqh

[median anvil]

supay poseidon special hestia dash with static shock and gales on cast then you get air quality 🤑 🔥

[opal pecan]

I didn't think about Hestia dash!

What would you put on the main cast boon :P

[viral yew]

Hestia cast probs

[median anvil]

demeter and prominence flare 🤑

[silent crow]

i hate the forward movement on coat attack

[junior trail]

hel, supay, charon

[broken lichen]

Did ||Zagreus|| got harder to fight since 1.1? I feel like I used to beat them pretty fine, but now I dreaded going to their room.

[opal pecan]

Not that I'm aware? But if you happened to be getting the contract in earlier regions due to RNG, that could make it harder.

[still girder]

lol oops forgot to do rivals 4 until it was night 100 and did surface and underground back to back

teehee
i ended up with so much hp that i took 410 damage face tanking the typhon fight just to DPS faster since i still had all 3 DDs and moros pin (WHICH BTW. DONT DO THAT BLIND. WTF)

[opal pecan]

LMAO

[still girder]

it was really funny because i was like "okay, chronos had a bunch of extra mechanics and attacks in each phase, typhon is going to as well i bet, i'm just gonna face tank to get through it as fast as i can"

and then it worked!!! also what aspect of axe is the best

[abstract temple]

for typhon, aspect of nergal just deals so much damage (the hidden one)

[still girder]

ah, i shoulda said i don't have that yet oops

i still need to unlock nergal and the coat one >_<

[abstract temple]

id go with aspect of charon

once you get specific cast boons, it really pops off

[still girder]

cool! which ones?

poseidon?

[abstract temple]

especially poseidon's

once you memorize the motions of instantly activating the omega cast the dps is really nice

thanatos + apollo range boon isnt broken or anything but its really fun

[still girder]

how do you instantly activate the uh, omega cast?

do you just mean like the instant q -> charge omega special?

[vernal quiver]

Uhh depends what for

Since if we talk high fear its mel axe by a mile

[vernal quiver]

Hitting your cast with the Ospecial automatically gives the Ocast on charon

[still girder]

yea cool 😄

[vernal quiver]

Than axe is super fun, lots of ways to play it its either mel axe with actual attack spd or an Oattack demon with the crits

[still girder]

what makes mel axe the best at high fear?

[vernal quiver]

The power buff is super nice! And at high fear the other weapons need to much to get active compared to mel axe

[still girder]

ahhh got it

[vernal quiver]

Yeah its a little to no magic use weapon and if you get dashing heave and seething marauder you kinda murder everything

[still girder]

what does mel axe want?

uh on like. attack and special

[vernal quiver]

Big % on attack(so hera Apollo or aphro) and and special wants blitz(or smth for origination)

[still girder]

cool! so you just do... dash strike -> special?

oh i guess that would do damage -> blitz, and then you'd activate with the next dash strike...?

[vernal quiver]

Yep! In high fear you rarely hit omega or regular attack sequence

Since the dash attack -> special especially with gigaros and dashing heave is free asf

[still girder]

so do you take..... just raki for the crit chance?

or frinos for even more hp in addition to what it already gives?

[vernal quiver]

I take gale all the time

At like 55+ when you are probably getting hit gale becomes infinitely more valuable

I do wanna learn than axe for 62 and maybe 65, its such a funny weapon

[sinful marlin]

Charaxe slander

[vernal quiver]

My ass does not wanna have to use hecuba to have a real weapon before I leave erebus 😔

[sinful marlin]

Lollll

Reroll the seed until we get apollo room 2

[still girder]

hm. okay mel axe might be the first aspect i've played that i haven't liked

i got the double hit dash attack hammer AND aphro attack in erebus and

idk

[hollow briar]

Yeah, I’m a Mel Axe hater too

Even when I do get Dashing Heave it just feels awful to play. If I don’t get it, it also feels awful cuz of Wards and just how painfully slow it is

[still girder]

we'll see if i come back to axe anytime soon XD but i got nergal out of this run soooo

are either nyx or selene coat any good?

all i've tried is mel coat so far and i don't have enough nightmare to upgrade both to 5

[broken spoke]

Nyx has awesome room clear

Selene has a unique hex which is decent

[hollow briar]

Nyx is honestly one of the best Aspects in the game IMO, and Selene is alright since it does force some interesting Omega gameplay

[still girder]

i wish the archaic seal had a seal printed on it

Like a cute little clapping sea critter

[plain palm]

If you can get the Hex upgraded to max it'll become your primary damage source

[edgy nacelle]

finally having a rly promising blades run 👀 altho. watch me throw to cerb or something 😔

also still 95 max hp which....... is an issue for 62f actually, hm.

[broken spoke]

Not a big deal just make it 30 next region

[edgy nacelle]

very very tempting since I have cheirloom
but I won't, since I'm running scorch

however! damageless cerb 💖

I think it's still pin for r4, even if cheirloom may not actually do anything. wish me luck...

tempted to lion fang but. nah, I think I need the invuln

😔 that run was actually so free, but I stood 1 pixel too far to the right during a oneshot in p2
if I'd had that extra DD it was actually free, sigh. such a good build smh

eh, anyway. next time, I suppose. certainly doable, just annoying when it's that close

[vernal quiver]

Chat I think im gonna do 65f than axe for funsies

Can't wait to reset for gigaros psychic start

[fickle venture]

Anyone finding dash attack on mel axe inconsistent?

or is it just me - sometimes my dash strike turns out to be the final big chop

[oblique hazel]

the axe attack works in a way where you can dash between the individual parts of the combo

[vernal quiver]

Oh its super inconsistent, from what ive heard its because it uses a similar buffer window as guan yu in h1 so it feels like ass

You can cancel the final chop with a special though

[oblique hazel]

to get out of the big chop clicking special usually works

the axe buff to special speed was the best change in 1.0 by far imo

[flint widget]

chat should i grind 32/50 fear speeds since it's the category of the week in the speedcord or grind 62s

[vernal quiver]

67s

[flint widget]

ill grind 67s when im good at the game

[broken spoke]

Don't you said you are off from hades2 for a while

[flint widget]

i tried to take a break but i failed cuz i kept thinking about the game lmao

so im officially back in business

[fickle venture]

Is there a guide on how to pick accompanying gods? For example, I know I should get high % for slow weapon and on-hit for fast weapon, but how do I pick other gods?

[broken spoke]

Depends on what you want, curse, duo, legendary, or certain effect

[odd bolt]

Depends a lot on the aspect and what you are aiming to go for

[flint widget]

or just ignore all that and go jpom gambling 🎰

[odd bolt]

Baseline you want origination always, some aspects you'll need good gain others will benefit from specific boons from specific gods etc etc

[edgy nacelle]

getting origination + aiming for relevant duo boons + "idk just take whoever shows up" are all valid strategies.
esp for high fear I also like to have some form of defense, so grabbing a god with defensive boons for my fourth slot is always nice (i.e. heph or demeter)

but like. if you're playing Mel Coat with splash from Poseidon, the thought process might be:

1. the Ares + Poseidon duo boon is great for splash, so I'll grab Ares
2. static shock is also really good on fast weapons, so I'll grab Zeus
3. I want some defense and I'm applying froth, so maybe I'll fish for Demeter since her gusts are good with froth and freeze/snow queen can help me survive
   (other gods are also very good choices for that tho, like idk throw in Hera since hitch specials are great, or Hestia. many many good options)

if I'm running a magick hungry weapon then "which gain boons do I like on this weapon" is also a consideration, i.e. for Charon if I don't see Apollo, Hera, or Poseidon I'm having a bad time

[flint widget]

ionic gain is serviceable enough for charon tbh, it sucks for large rooms tho

[edgy nacelle]

I just personally hate ionic gain so deeply that I would simply reset
I want a gain on charon ASAP anyway, and if I don't have something better and am forced to take ionic then the run isn't fun for me lol

it's my single least favorite core boon, I don't like tranquil either but I can at least tolerate it

[flint widget]

not even passion rush?

if game has zag dashes it would be decent but nah

one dash ain't able to keep up weak

plus u have to be near an enemy to get weak

[edgy nacelle]

I'm kind of a passion rush defender lol, you can get 100% orig uptime for your attacks on builds that just spam melee dash strike, and it has a niche of being fun with her legendary

I actively like taking it for Mel axe runs and it tends to do its job really well
awful boon most of the time

but ionic even when it's good I just hate using it, feels bad and annoys me

[surreal hazel]

Shhhh, they'll give us back the prototype Ionic Gain

[edgy nacelle]

idr what that even was, I joined during the olympian update 😔

[surreal hazel]

+10-16 mana/sec

oh and -80% max mana cap

[edgy nacelle]

did it do the glamour gain/unseen thing where you can't regen while channeling

[surreal hazel]

static shock still was 50 primed

[surreal hazel]

oh yeah, that too

[edgy nacelle]

ah. well that's some lovely antisynergy with his own kit lmaooo

[surreal hazel]

It was designed around the prototype Power Surge (formerly Spirit Surge)

causes lightning strikes to EVERYTHING every 4 seconds whenever your mana total is 10 or less

Absolutely fantastic for aggroing the entire fields of mourning at you

Oh and storm ring didn't work until the cast was charged

[edgy nacelle]

I vaguely remember this but idk if it's just from videos...? hm

[surreal hazel]

proto casts were bonkers

old solar ring was just prominence flare

and locked out casting until it was finished

Anvil ring included a lovely -70% cast radius

engagement ring was reworked twice

tidal ring was instant detonate on omega

[viral yew]

Yess i remember that

[surreal hazel]

that was moved to a t2 boon

as was prominence flare

caused so many odd issues that gyser spout was reworked into what it is now

and winner's circle was added

the instant detonate thing basically worked by deleting your cast and making a different watery boom, but that broke a lot of interactions

[silent crow]

you're overestimating

it was 4/s at common

[silent crow]

that was kept until like 2 patches ago

[surreal hazel]

Yep

[stable basin]

does launcher frame affect dash strike?

[surreal hazel]

Yes

Very nice with exhaust riser

[stable basin]

good to know

[surreal hazel]

Success rate also affects it. Just sayin'

[lone quartz]

hi goys what are gud and fun builds to run with charon? doesnt have to be full build but like a general idea or stuff to get

[viral yew]

Apollo and pos cast are really good

Aim for geyser spout, prominance flare

hera and dem are really good supporting gods for their cast boons

Go for giga cleaver hammer and stack as many cast boons as possible

[lone quartz]

yeah this about what i have rn, minus the supporting cast boons (but im only on thessaly)

[flint widget]

supay 62f underworld done with no gigaros hitstun ez game

[obsidian pendant]

Hey guys, is there somewhere I could find comprehensive listings of different build types/archetypes and the names usually associated with them? I've seen some content creators/speedrunners mention names like "armourer" and such to reference types of builds, but I have no idea where to start. Like maybe there are guides online about build types, or commonly-used community terms I could follow?

[opal pecan]

I've literally never heard the term "armorer" in reference to a specific type of build, but if they were just saying "armor" or something, well, there's only one god that gives you a bunch of armor, for example.

[flint widget]

idk i just learned the commonly used terms on my own

also the hell is an armourer

never heard that term in my entire existence

[digital juniper]

maybe you misheard mourner? an enemy you find in the fields of mourning

[opal pecan]

In normal world, an armorer is someone who makes armor

[glass bone]

There is the website Mobalytics and the guides by leeramsnyder that showcase good options for varying purposes.

[opal pecan]

In terms of names, IME people mostly just say which gods or curses or moves that a build focuses on?

Ain't no poetry in it

[glass bone]

That, though I guess there is “WABS / Boon Soup” (referring to stacking Blitz, Scorch, or Blasts, with usually stuff like Trusty Shield, Arctic Gale, and Nitro Boost)

[opal pecan]

That's true!

[flint widget]

only community made up term i can think of is "cutscene" which is used to describe chronos laser attack in p3

[opal pecan]

Chrolex, I suppose.

[glass bone]

Also ||Promacles, and JPom||

[flint widget]

right

[opal pecan]

But not any names for builds as far as I heard....? WABS aside haha

[flint widget]

i mean the only build name i ever heard of was the one punch man build but i forgot what the build consisted of lmao

[glass bone]

Probably Coat Attack / OAttack spam

Huntress Nova Strike Back Burner and other % boosts

[opal pecan]

Ah, a meme build

[obsidian pendant]

It is entirely possible I misheard or heard it in relation to something else and mistakenly associated it with builds because that's what the person seemed to be talking about. Might've just been an aspect or boon used for a specific build. I mostly just wanted to know about build types and what people tend to call different build types to get an idea of the kind of builds you can make.

[opal pecan]

Mostly people just say what's the main focus of the build

[glass bone]

I mean that is “the strategy” for High Fear Shiva tho imo

[opal pecan]

Okay but Shiva is different 😆

[flint widget]

with shiva i assume since its literally omega attack the weapon

[obsidian pendant]

this seems like a good place to start, thank you

[glass bone]

Yeah… though I basically ignored OAttack both times I did 62

Blasts and scorch are better

[flint widget]

wheres my goat blitz

someone put the zeus copypasta here im too lazy to get it

[glass bone]

I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Zeus. I try to play Scorch. My Blitz deals more damage. I try to play Poseidon. My Blitz deals more damage. I try to play Blast. My Blitz deals more damage. I want to play Demeter. Her best team has Zeus. I want to play Ares, Hera. They both want Zeus.

He grabs me by the throat. I Pom for him. I reroll for him. I give him the Cloud Bangle. He isn't satisfied. I pick Extended Family. "I don't need this much Damage %" He tells me. "Give me more Poms." He grabs Echo and forces her to Pom Pom Pom. "You just need to pop Blitz more. I can deal more damage with King's Ransom."

I can't pick King's Ransom, I have no Hera core Boon. He grabs my Fate Dice. It declines. "Guess this is the end." He grabs his lightning. He says "It's over, young lady." There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but high flat damage curse application. What a cruel world.

Blitz Shiva is also probably an option, but my UW 62 clear was Scorch, and my SF 62 clear was blasts so I didn’t include blitz in that statement

[flint widget]

the four horsemen of high damage:
blasts, scorch, blitz, and idk someone fill the fourth option in

[glass bone]

Hitch

[surreal hazel]

definitely hitch

[opal pecan]

Wow, a god pool

[surreal hazel]

Also don't make the mistake of thinking that your strike and flourish boon count towards Ransom

they don't if they're from the god boons being sacrificed

Sworn Strike and flourish are not prereqs for King's Ransom and vice versa

[obsidian pendant]

I liked hitch attack boon on thanaxe, it felt like ti would clear rooms lickedysplit. But is blitz actually that good or is it more of a meme? I focused on it with base umbral flames and it did clear rooms like crazy. What weapons make best use of blitz and what other gods or synergies go well with it?

[fiery kraken]

what is a good starting boon for mel skull? Trying to get a chronos rivals clear with it

[obsidian pendant]

I also have been really liking apollo and dem for eos umbral flames

[fiery kraken]

the starting rule is that +percentage boons are really good with high damage attacks

so I can see the % + hitch being great with than

[flint widget]

apollo attack and then pray for possessed array

[fiery kraken]

blitz is just generically good because you proc it repeatedly to do tons of damage

I've gotten possessed array a number of times but I just run out of magic instantly against bosses

[flint widget]

just get born gain ez game

[fiery kraken]

it just burns through magic even with born gain

[opal pecan]

Thinking about it, I think the main issue with the times I've taken PA into final boss have been less so the magick -- because I never take PA unless I already have the magick regen support anyway -- and more so that the rest of the run, pre-PA, was slow enough that I felt the need to rush more after I got PA.

[opal pecan]

TFW you pom it up so hard that it goes down to five magick per prime 👀

[fiery kraken]

that's definitely a solution

[opal pecan]

Queen's Ransom for once or something 😆

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280788714790322176/1445098700966723594/image.png?ex=692f1c8a&is=692dcb0a&hm=21d9fca8b47811e42dfb59a183bbfaa114fddb20d81204b0bd97ad5624c42196& 500 nights and this bastard still aint seen fit

and I have been doing Heph runs that fulfilled the prereqs 😭

[flint widget]

damageless scylla 62f ez

[digital juniper]

just saying but there are funny cards and a funny keepsake that will help with that👀

wrong reply, but you know what i mean

[hushed jay]

Honestly that thing end my run more than i can count, especially when it's 40% faster
How do people avoid all these?

[opal pecan]

I will not be broken, I will stand steadfast--

I know it says Coat in my server nick but it might as well say stubborn old coot

[flint widget]

practice

[still girder]

are moros torches bad on high fear?

Like obviously you need a good gain boon early because hecuba can only do so much

but they seem obviously fantastic at killing stuff

[glass bone]

Nah, Moros is great at high fear. It and Eos are the best of the torches (though yes, their magick regen requirement makes it technically worse than the Top 3 aspects)

[opal pecan]

Why are there so many Supay high fear runs on Crossroads lol

I set the filter to 55+ and, if I'm not misunderstanding what the numbers mean, apparently there are more Supay clears listed for that range than any other torch aspect

[glass bone]

Idk. Maybe cause so many say it sucks (imo it does) so people do that as a challenge

[opal pecan]

Hahaha

[glass bone]

Supay’s problem is it has a really bad start (requires a high roll of boons), and also you have to be really good at dodging till you find hitstun / stagger / freeze

[flint widget]

holyyyyyyyyy worst chronos fight of my entire existence

walked into one of chronos lasers cuz i got cornered by them

lost my first dd

got hit by triple scythe throw twice, lost my second dd

got hit by big chronos slash time bubble and ads last dd lost

[opal pecan]

Well that sounds fun and by fun I mean hideously frustrating

[flint widget]

got hit by clock hand stage hazard and i forgot, 12 hp left

finished the fight

a win is a win

mel blades 62f done

also it was first try i was not warmed up lmao

[flint widget]

so now im 2/3 of the way through of my 24/24 62f clear goal

[manic shuttle]

howling soul sucks with charon apparently since you can't omega special during the initial casting animation

[flint widget]

for me its the opposite

i love it on charon

cuz its like the only ranged cast i dont hate lol

cheesed scylla and chronos with omega specialing from far away

[manic shuttle]

I took it before chronos and thought my controller was broken 😂

took some time to grasp what's going on

[opal pecan]

Whaat, what's your beef with LL? /curious

[manic shuttle]

may be good once you get used to it tho

[flint widget]

aiming the lance on controller sucks lmao

only aimable if i have eternity of all cards

cuz then i can actually position it properly

[manic shuttle]

ye my favorite range cast is hestia's, no aiming necessary

[hushed jay]

Zues can do that too

[flint widget]

wdym by that u actually have to aim with ll

glowing coal is decent but its not my goat ranged cast howling soul tho

[manic shuttle]

glowing coal auto targets the nearest enemy w/ controller

[flint widget]

yeah but like the fact that howling soul cast also follows ur enemy when placed, absolute godsent for movement heavy enemies

looking at u chronos

[hushed jay]

Btw i think they need to nerf the requirement for Hestia legendary
I cant remember the last time i get it
All this effort for worse result than Zues cast with hera duo buffing (and it's easier to get it too)

[hushed jay]

My only gripe with these shooting cast is idk how to make it into omega cast anymore on a controller lolz
If i hold the cast it'd just aim instead of going into omega

though it doesn't matter for zues cast + hera duo cuz the damage is out of the world anyway w.o omega

[manic shuttle]

I rarely use the omega cast anyway so don't miss it

[tawny imp]

I love LL

[bronze flax]

Counterpoint: it enables Fourth Degree, I love Fourth Degree lol

[wheat stone]

what is the ideal build for aspect of melinöe torches?

[glass bone]

Either % Attack + Fine Line / Ocean Swell + Channel Speed, or Hidden Helix + Hitch / Blitz / Scorch Special

[hushed jay]

Is it just me or Melinoe torches is basically just Moros at home?

[glass bone]

Can be yeah. Really the main difference in terms of buttons pressed for the attack version is requiring OSpecial for Moros and not requiring OSpecial for Mel

But the Special version is unique (sort of, cause Eos is OAttack -> Special spam…)

[hushed jay]

Another quick qeustion, Eos summoning can be double dipped with Apollo legend or it's still cap at 1 summon?
I've seen an older vid summoning multiple nightmares, is it patched or it's still there?

Some Apollo legend doesn't function as good as I expected :x (mostly nerfed to ground , sadly)

[glass bone]

I can’t recall tbh… I think the way it works now is OAttack is just excluded on Eos

[pearl wyvern]

Eos oattack can’t be doubled and there’s a glitch if there’s a second copy it does no damage

There’s just this cloud that does burst damage whenever a enemy runs into it

I think weed killer can increase the damage?

[echo grove]

Hello, does anyone know any good websites or places that has lists of diffrent builds? i want to try different ones out. the only place I could find any is on Mobalyitics. Thank you

[fiery kraken]

I've been trying this, with mixed results https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide

[echo grove]

interesting, I will definitely pin it and give it a good try, thank you

[fiery kraken]

to be clear, mixed being my fault, not the fault of the guide

[echo grove]

lol no worries, all part about improveing at the game

[uneven palm]

You get one Daybreaker still but it pulses twice when it attacks

Is how it works now at least. Eos and Exceptional Talent were weird for a looong time in EA

[wheat stone]

okay thanks but what does % attack mean?

[opal pecan]

Boons that give you a bonus of "+x% damage" to your attack

[cerulean panther]

4 of the Olympians (Zeus, Hestia, Poseidon, Hephaestus) all have powerful additional effects attached to their Attack and Special boons that don't increase the damage of the move itself.

[wheat stone]

ah i see

[cerulean panther]

Demeter and Aphrodite will make a staff smack hurt more, Zeus and Hestia inflict base damage with the staff but inflict a Curse.

[glass bone]

% Attack / Special usually refers to Ares, Demeter, Hera, Apollo, and Aphrodite.

[wheat stone]

okay thanks, and what should i do about familiar/keepsake or is that less important

[opal pecan]

It's not less important, it's just up to you

If you're running DDs and having trouble surviving, you could grab Toula. Otherwise Gale is a great defensive familiar.

OTOH Raki's crit chance works well with Mel flames' crit chance.

[wheat stone]

yeah thats what i was thinking

[opal pecan]

Hecuba's main utility for flames would be reducing the pressure to get a gain boon

[glass bone]

Familiar doesn’t matter on Eos. Really the only familiar that matters for some aspects is Hecuba for high magick aspects mainly for high fear (e.g. Charon or Shiva…). Keepsake varies based on the build. If it’s Rerolls, then go for a god keepsake (for Eos, either the % attack of your choice, or Hestia or Apollo for a gain, or Hestia or Zeus for the special boon). If not, go ||Jeweled Pom|| if you have done True Ending

So imo, starting keepsakes for Eos could be the ones from… Hera, Demeter, Apollo, Hestia, Zeus, or ||Hades / Persephone||

[opal pecan]

~~or go off meta and start Silk Sash 👀 😆 ~~

[pearl wyvern]

Hestia special is honestly my go-to if not using jpom

[wheat stone]

i tried a run with flames and got epic heaven flourish, breaker rush, shameless attitude and thermal dynamics. is that decent?

although i messed up cus of skill issue but whatever

[quick crescent]

if aphrodite is in your pool you can always fish for romantic spark with her on a core slot

torch special is probably the best thing for romantic spark too

as an aside, i have realized as of recent that mel torches become absolutely ridiculous with plasma

had grisly gain and profuse bleeding on a run with success rate, the strike speed is nutty and the native crit chance is fantastic for abusing it

had sworn strike at epic with blood drops, racing thoughts and sudden burst, i was literally throwing out 1.5 attacks per second

i think the only thing that could've improved that build would be fine line and ocean swell ripple effect. it would munch magic like crazy, but a good grisly gain cascades with itself on a weapon like torches and some max magic would make the pool survivable. insane damage

[bronze flax]

Chat, is Nergal's meta just hope you get Psychic Whirlwind or...

[twin panther]

Pretty much, like you hoping you get Blitz for Supay's meta.

[bronze flax]

Except that with Supay I can make it work without Blitz lol*

*On 32 Fear

[twin panther]

Demeter? Yeah, I liked using her sprint on my surface Supay run.

Even without Blitz, you'd want Zeus for Air Quality. It's a very strong infusion for Supay.

[glass bone]

Psychic Whirlwind or Dash Attack spam

[cerulean panther]

Psychic Whirlwind is definitely the best play for Nergal, but I'd say starting with Eternity is key as well.

[dreamy veldt]

Mel coat with Gale and nitro boost
God options are Ares Hestia heph hera

I want Apollo dash

But gonna take Ares for plasma and Hestia cause she's the goat

[bronze flax]

I have done with Hestia, Poseidon, Heph, Omega Special spam with Cut Above... Supay has options imo 🤷‍♂️

But of course, Blitz is probably the most straightforward, specially if you get Aphro for Romantic Spark

[dreamy veldt]

What do we think of Ares special on Mel coat

[twin panther]

Eternity is lowkey excellent for several omega-heavy aspects, Morrigan especially with its omega attack. Just feels wrong not having that arcana.

[bronze flax]

I have tried it with Selene and honestly I don't like it that much

[dreamy veldt]

Did anyone else not know that coat omega special doesn't make the missiles any stronger

Oh wait so like

Wounds would just make the first missile stronger and that's it right?

[cerulean panther]

You get the chip from Ares's % bonuses.

But otherwise, yeah, just the first missile on each enemy.

[fierce citrus]

As someone who’s played and beaten hades 1 and 2 I’m yet to know what boiling blood does what does it do?

[dreamy veldt]

Am I taking Hera or nahskies

[cerulean panther]

Wait, for real?

[fierce citrus]

Yea I genuinely don’t know

I’m thinking it probably makes you take more damage or something but idk

[cerulean panther]

Boiling Blood in Hades 1 was a Mirror of Night upgrade for Zag, gave increased Attack and Special damage against enemies who currently had a Bloodstone lodged in them.

When Hades did it to Zag, it doubled the damage Hades inflicted, I don't know the value in H2.

[fierce citrus]

No not the mirror when hades inflicts it on you

Oh alright gotcha

I don’t think it’s the same in hades 2 though

I don’t re call zag doing 100 damage

[cerulean panther]

How high do you have the Vow of Pain?

[dreamy veldt]

Help

Mel coat Ares and Hestia, do I take Hera or no

[fierce citrus]

Maybe that’s why I struggled so much with hades tbh I used to push even if I had boiling blood

[fierce citrus]

I don’t see why not

You can get going a plasma build but overall hera’s Hera take her

[brisk basalt]

does easy shot work on momus turrets anyone knows

[fierce citrus]

His spin move does 50 damage on dd and 0 pain does it not?

[cerulean panther]

I think you're right, I think I'm remembering a run with Aphrodite.

So if his spin is doing 100 damage with 0 Pain then Boiling Blood is probably 2x damage like Hades's was.

[oblique hazel]

i believe so, the momus omega cast sentry thing deals omega cast damage and easy shot triggers when enemies are hit by omega cast damage iirc

its similar to how each hit from momus turrets activates cut above i think

[brisk basalt]

WOW it works thanks

is this the only time when easy shot is good

[silent crow]

good is a stretch

aww

[dreamy veldt]

LET'S GOOO APOLLO

Heroic Apollo dash acquired

Now I just need Circe to show up

No Circe f

Hestia better on attack or special for Mel coat

[edgy nacelle]

it’s one of the only times where it can situationally be the best thing she offers you lol, if the other two options are bad!
same with Charon axe.
if artemis offers a crit boon which is good for your build I’d still take that, tho

momus has more total good artemis boons tho, since unlike charon it can actually make good use of lethal snare

[edgy nacelle]

also, you prob already chose, but I’d say attack in most cases

[dreamy veldt]

I didn't actually ty

I got distracted

[edgy nacelle]

attack can just stack it faster, is my reasoning
so unless you have poseidon in the pool too I’d prob put her on attack 👍

[dreamy veldt]

Kk

[brisk basalt]

yep although tbf just like support fire the visual effect is the best part xd

[edgy nacelle]

oh yeah the visual goes very hard

[opal pecan]

Imagine if her arrows could get curse effects on them, truly the amount of VFX

[still girder]

i got a run with support fire and air quality, but everything else on that build was so strong it didn't even show up at the end 😭

[silent crow]

no its because support fire is terrible stop using it

[pearl wyvern]

Does smithy rush not get a damage boost from supay?

I was trying chaos below again I think the blasts were doing the usual amount of damage

[viral yew]

It does

[pearl wyvern]

Does rush do less damage than heph special?

God that’s a stupid question

[opal pecan]

It says how much damage it does in the boon

[pearl wyvern]

Yeah I know I just forgot how much

[silent crow]

yes

[pearl wyvern]

The shade that lets you see your past runs doesn’t do the entire boon description

[viral yew]

Yes

Rush does 200

[pearl wyvern]

Ok then nevermind supay increased it by at least double

[opal pecan]

That's some tasty soup

[still girder]

i needed to take it to finish a prophecy and i had air quality already lol

😭

[dreamy veldt]

Blasphemer

[edgy nacelle]

I like having it
my emotional support fire
but does it do anything? not rly 😔

[opal pecan]

Apostate

[silent crow]

you really need better outlets

[edgy nacelle]

emotional support stabbing rush

[viral yew]

We're here if you need us

[silent crow]

there we go

stabbing is much more refined than arson

[opal pecan]

You can't take Discord users into the game Hades 2 and make them punch enemies for you

0/10 emotional support

[edgy nacelle]

actually lately it's emotional support frigid rush tbh

I love ignoring freeze and clicking it xo <3

[viral yew]

If they let me in the game it wouldn't be a fair fight

[silent crow]

ME TOO

im so tired of freeze i take gale over ring when its offered

[opal pecan]

Oy it's no comparison, anti-sheepball mvp

[edgy nacelle]

also anti charybdis MVP <3 love gusts

[silent crow]

could frigid rush supay be real news actually

[viral yew]

With air quality?

[edgy nacelle]

it has my fastest failed speedrun attempt so yes lmao

[silent crow]

like youd need to highroll the rarity

[viral yew]

What's your fastest failed?

[edgy nacelle]

like. it won't carry your damage
but it keeps you very safe

[opal pecan]

Wouldn't need to highroll rarity if you highroll AQ ig

[silent crow]

u gotta have some help earlygame tho

[opal pecan]

Fair nuff

[silent crow]

god i hate how demeter gusts and ares blades dont have t2's in their own gods' kit theyre like the best mechanics

[edgy nacelle]

hecate 1:45:57
sirens 2:47:65
cerberus 4:22:26
tartarus shop 5:24:82
idr if my actual pb is faster than that, I think it had a better tartarus but a worse oceanus...? but I didn't keep track of splits so idk

[dreamy veldt]

Gasp it's cyber Monday I need to see if there's anything epic in sale

[viral yew]

Really slow fields but not bad

[silent crow]

instead we got Steady Growth and Visceral Impact

[opal pecan]

Do Not Slander Steady Growth To My Face

[silent crow]

everyone cheer

[edgy nacelle]

yeah, bad fields lol
this was before I got sub-6 w charon, this was aaaages ago when we were both trying supay speeds lol

[edgy nacelle]

steady growth is at least fun to click

[silent crow]

visceral impact is fun to read it evens out

[opal pecan]

Getting Steady Growth early gives me the coupon master dopamine

[broken spoke]

Steady growth make my common glamour gain to heroic

[silent crow]

psychological buff by making you accept that you wont actually get huntress up this run and you should probably give up

[edgy nacelle]

rn my actual hitlist of least favorite boons is like...
plasma that isn't grisly gain, plentiful forage, molten touch, highly flammable, ionic gain, death warrant...?

[silent crow]

i remember when forage was based

[edgy nacelle]

I wouldn't mind forage if I wasn't doing max scars runs lately

[silent crow]

+5 max hp per resource pickup it was wildly broken

[edgy nacelle]

yeah, I wish it had stayed that way sigh.

[opal pecan]

Wow the Molten Touch slander smh

[silent crow]

and still nobody picked it i think the player base is genuinely lobotomized

[edgy nacelle]

I just hate taking it T_T I feel like it usually does nothing

[silent crow]

this is what picking hera attack and born gain 20 runs in a row does to people

[opal pecan]

I love taking Molten Touch....

[edgy nacelle]

it's only weapon damage, too, so if your build has a lot of olympian damage it doesn't like........ do anything

[opal pecan]

Fair

[silent crow]

molten touch is shockingly bad idk how it didnt grt changed

[edgy nacelle]

also I rly love clicking the armor melting hammers lol, at which point it feels useless

[broken spoke]

Don't even help clang

[opal pecan]

I feel like there are so many fun hammers out there that I never really want to take armor hammers

[edgy nacelle]

I think I also have a grudge for any boon where I want rly specific things from the god in question and it clogs up the offerings. I want a lot of stuff from Heph...

[opal pecan]

I think I already complained about Premium Service so I won't clog up the channel reposting the screenie but that man STILL HAS NOT GIVEN ME

cough anyway.