wow this would be amazing for a speed
#h2-builds-and-combat
still girder
wait did my scorch really do so little damage?
guess i shoulda stuck with poseidon, anyway finished up surface with 0 fear coat and it rocks
opal pecan
Did you have Pyro Technique?
still girder
never saw it 😭
opal pecan
Yeah, that'll be the reason
still girder
blitz ended up on top of the list lmfao
i was just spamming dash attack and specials over and over
edgy nacelle
then yeah it's a combo of blitz being absurdly op, and scorch really needing pyro technique (or freezer burn) to pop off
still girder
nodding sagely Coat Gang
true gust
what do you think about charon aspect + artemis easy shot?
opal pecan
It's funny
true gust
ye it is
tawny imp
how to build momus
true gust
how to build momus
Imo ares cast is veeeery good
boons that apply debuffs
I think hestia is nice on momos
edgy nacelle
what do you think about charon aspect + artemis easy shot?
it's probably the uh.... fifth best artemis offering for charon 🤷 which isn't bad
tawny imp
dumb idea: geyser spout + momus ocast
edgy nacelle
killing stroke, shadow pounce, and vital signs are best for charon
then pressure points and easy shot
then everything else lol, imo
edgy nacelle
dumb idea: geyser spout + momus ocast
momus is actually a pretty fun ocast weapon
hostile environment is also very fun
true gust
Ye momus is very flexible and you can play around duos'
tawny imp
Can’t wait for hades 3 where the momus boss is the most annoying boss in the game
still girder
im so glad eris rail is just an entire boss in this game lol
absolutely my favorite hades 1 weapon
true gust
doppelganger boss would be nice idea, the boss who has the same build as you
still girder
true gust
I don't think they will make hades 3 but it would be nice to have past story of young hades and zeus
we would see young demeter lol
edgy nacelle
aw.... well, died to sirens but that was a fun run
62 fear hard 😔
true gust
Actually if I think more about it Demeter would be so different bcs she would not be frozen theme bcs that would be events befor persephones disappearing
fierce citrus
I don't think they will make hades 3 but it would be nice to have past story of ...
Well hades does have 3 children
true gust
Dionizos
flint widget
aw.... well, died to sirens but that was a fun run
62 fear hard 😔
what aspect u doin next
fierce citrus
He does have 5 Actullay I think
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or weapon
true gust
edgy nacelle
what aspect u doin next
just finished Hel, so I'm doing blades
trying both Mel and Morrigan and seeing what clicks
ngl I am by far the least practiced with blades lol
flint widget
oh nice
true gust
I dunno I would rather see Bastion 2
flint widget
still sad u didnt do medea 
tbh id rather do mel blades
morrigan is good yes but u need some crazy skill in order for you to actually play it properly
edgy nacelle
still sad u didnt do medea <:zagsad:1012805275511701554>
it miiiight be next? at this point I'm going to do 2 of every aspect for sure lol, prob more
true gust
They released bastion in 2011 it would be nice to see Bastion 2 after 15years
edgy nacelle
morrigan is good yes but u need some crazy skill in order for you to actually pl...
and hmm, I mean that intimidates me but also I'm just. not good at Mel blades, I have so little experience w them
flint widget
its literally just special spam ez game
limpid spear
dumb idea: geyser spout + momus ocast
it's been so long since olympic patch that the old builds are now new dumb ideas lol
flint widget
special spam kinda sucks with wards clear so attack then special
twin panther
Morrigan goes great with Eternity arcana, then omega attack -> special -> attack for Triad, ez.
edgy nacelle
special spam kinda sucks with wards clear so attack then special
this is maybe what I need to work on, the issue so far w Mel blades attempts has been erebus timer and AoE wards clear before I get boons
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also malkin i tried to get into other games but i couldn't cuz i kept thinking about hades 2 so much so uh im officially back in the game
edgy nacelle
also malkin i tried to get into other games but i couldn't cuz i kept thinking a...
LMAO welcome back
was gonna say, you need a 62 nyx clear before you call it quits smh
limpid spear
also malkin i tried to get into other games but i couldn't cuz i kept thinking a...
did you retire for 1 day?
flint widget
LMAO welcome back
was gonna say, you need a 62 nyx clear before you call it quit...
i already got it man
flint widget
did you retire for 1 day?
yes funnily enough
edgy nacelle
i already got it man
oh!! damn I was offline or busy w my own runs for that smh
which aspects haven't you done yet?
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moros, momus, anubis, mel blades, arty, morrigan, mel axe, charon, than, mel skull, perseph, hel, mel coat, selene, shiva
planning to do 24/24 62f clears (surface clears count) and im done with 62f
edgy nacelle
oooh... enough to keep you occupied! but a lot of progress overall 👀
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december 12 oml
vernal quiver
If that day comes and I see nothing I will be immensely dissapointed
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(i haven't grinded 67f in so long)
vernal quiver
I havent been hard grinding just a few runs every few days im free
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planning to do 24/24 62f clears (surface clears count) and im done with 62f
im currently at 14/24 (9 underworld, 5 surface)
also planning to get 2 65f clears on both routes and 48/48 50 fear unique clears
as a matter of fact, im doing a 65f run rn
shop before eris
tawny imp
momus omega cast is such a bum move
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sgg shoulve reverted the cooldown of the pulses to 1.5 seconds ngl
tawny imp
they genuinely hate this weapon 😭
flint widget
same thing with supay
no hitstun is absolutely diabolical
not even in the omega moves
flint widget
people usually take toula or pray for gigaros start (even tho it deals no hitstun) to soften the blow a little bit
when toula attacks she gives hitstun so
hushed jay
Hmm, without Psychic whirlwind Apolo legend seems to have weird interaction with Nergal hammer
I tried it in one run and didn't get offered Psychic Whirlwind
My charge attack definitely doesn't do x2 damage though (or proc 2 times faster damage)
Any insight?
flint widget
apollo legen extends the length of the whirlwind instead of dealing 2x the damage
hushed jay
saddd
hushed jay
If that's the case i feel going for demetor damage boost on omega higher priority then :x
hmm now i need to rethink how to build it when i dont get pyshic whirlwind offered
since bosses dont just let me wail at them w.o killing me first
FU rival Iris, hate her when using hammer
tawny imp
same thing with supay
at least supay is kinda cracked once it finds momentum while momus is
oblique hazel
supay is such a nifty aspect i really like it
lwk i wanna try to push to 62 with it
true gust
momus omega cast is such a bum move
yes and I recommend Ares cast
vernal quiver
lwk i wanna try to push to 62 with it
You're in for a rough time man and I haven't even unlocked the weapon
fierce citrus
apollo legen extends the length of the whirlwind instead of dealing 2x the damag...
I’m pretty sure it deals double damage
edgy nacelle
iirc that might have been something that changed between EA and release...?
fierce citrus
Yea I can’t remember who I was watching but they said physics whirlwind now deals double damage instead of extending the duration
It may have been boated
And he was also going for Apollo legendary
edgy nacelle
It may have been boated
it was lol, iirc that might have been his lunar ray run...? idr
than axe apollo start, tho
fierce citrus
Yea he was going for that build I just said but he didn’t end up getting what was needed
edgy nacelle
also ok I'm calling it for the night, getting used to mel blades is weird smh
fierce citrus
Starting 62 tomorrow hopefully I just need chaos to Actullay give me chant already 🙏
viral yew
Starting 62 tomorrow hopefully I just need chaos to Actullay give me chant alrea...
Are you running void over return?
edgy nacelle
also ok I'm calling it for the night, getting used to mel blades is weird smh
I've been repeatedly told by multiple ppl that they're the best option for high fear but my erebus timer is just consistently SO bad lmao, I may switch to morrigan fr
or I'll decide to be stubborn and just learn to be good at mel blades. rn I think the issue is AoE and wards clear specifically
fierce citrus
It’s only been 2 runs and it’s not that bad because I’m getting used to Medea for my 62
fierce citrus
Are you running void over return?
Is that a question?
viral yew
Yes
fierce citrus
I've been repeatedly told by multiple ppl that they're the best option for high ...
Mel blades give the extra backstab damage
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I've been repeatedly told by multiple ppl that they're the best option for high ...
someone get dtb over here
edgy nacelle
yup
and at high fear it's special spam
which like. does feel strong in single target. however 😔
plot twist: a second the enemy is standing 0.5 inches to the right
fierce citrus
I don’t see how Mel blades are good in high fear compared to some over weapons
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hes the mel blades expert
edgy nacelle
someone get dtb over here
I've gotten DTB advice abt Mel blades, I think I literally just need to play them more
fierce citrus
To be fair I omega special spam with them using aphro special
edgy nacelle
they're the only aspect which I didn't even rly engage with for my 40f every aspect clears, I just clicked heph special and stacked duos and ignored the aspect
flint widget
I've been repeatedly told by multiple ppl that they're the best option for high ...
just switch to pan and reset for trick knives first hammer 
fierce citrus
Put aphro special then juice the hell out of it
That’s how I played when first starting the game
edgy nacelle
just switch to pan and reset for trick knives first hammer <:squirtdevious:47212...
.....see the thing is I might actually be better with pan lmfao, I've played it way more
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pan tk literally top 5 easiest aspects to win with
fierce citrus
Am I the only one that just dosent enjoy tk
edgy nacelle
I don't enjoy it a ton, but it lets Pan feel uh. better. which I like since I like Pan
fierce citrus
The playstyle just feels weird like dash attack special or attack once then dash attack
edgy nacelle
tbh I just don't like non-morrigan blade attacks at all, I don't like hugging enemies with TK to dash strike 😔 toothpick sized dagger
flint widget
base pan feels unplayable at high fear without hammers tbh
edgy nacelle
also iirc sand doesn't like TK, but they don't like most op hammers tbh, ik they hate mirrored thrasher lol
flint widget
actually using the aspect requires hidden knives and sureshot flurry in order to feel good
not using the aspect requires tk
fierce citrus
tbh I just don't like non-morrigan blade attacks at all, I don't like hugging en...
Agreed I feel if they went any other route with daggers it could’ve been 10 times dinner
This is coming from someone who loves close combat weapons
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actually using the aspect requires hidden knives and sureshot flurry in order to...
sureshot flurry cuz it prevents the funny tech of the knives just spinning around the enemy
edgy nacelle
I think we play non-TK pan in very different ways tho lol, tbh
I still REALLY enjoyed it at 40f, which isn't truly high fear but I think I'd have at least an okay time (in terms of fun not success lol) using Ωspec pan higher than that
and like. idk. I got TK in olympus my last pan run and started alternating between TK and omegas lol
like. HM. actually I wouldn't say that hidden knives or sureshot are my top hammers for Pan 
it's TK first since... it's TK lol
but second place for me is easily sudden flurry, and *edited, but hidden knives can go here because it makes a short channel get more knives, which is nice
then reaper knives, then melting sickle
then sureshot, but honestly I may just click an attack hammer if it's the only special one I'm offered, I just rly strongly dislike how it feels tbh
oblique hazel
reaper knives is super nice but maybe im biased because it also makes the omega special sooo pretty
oblique hazel
like. HM. actually I wouldn't say that hidden knives *or* sureshot are my top ha...
honestly i agree with this exact list lol
edgy nacelle
YEAH
honestly with anything it looks great tho. aphro too
oblique hazel
apollo is one of my favourites with reaper knives but sadly its not very strong lol
ares looks awesome too
edgy nacelle
I may give sureshot another try I just like.... so strongly dislike how it changes the AoE coverage lol
also yeah, apollo is nice, shame his leg feels so bad 😔 on pan
I do really love how sureshot flurry feels on morrigan tho
is it useful? not really
but it FEELS great, giving morrigan special more range + the fact that it multihits is very fun
it's kinda the only way I enjoy morrigan special or Ωspec at all ngl
oh. dancing knives exists. idk how I'd rank that for pan
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dancing SUCKS for pan
edgy nacelle
lowkey doesn't it suck for like. every blade 💀
flint widget
yk how the special comes back to u right
edgy nacelle
maybe arty can use it decently
edgy nacelle
yk how the special comes back to u right
TK Pan pilled thing to say lmao
which, fair
but putting TK aside for a moment, if it's the second hammer you're offered so TK is off the table, idk how I'd evaluate it for ospec
since it affects that too, not just special
cerulean panther
Dancing was cool before Pan's hips were replaced with spun glass.
spark crown
mighty build chat what do we think mel would name 2 chickens
very important question
fickle venture
how should i spend skulls for upgrading familiars?
I am currently upgrading Frinos
vernal quiver
uhh if you plan on pushing high fear or speedruns your picks end up being like 90% raki and gale
and for them specifically all you care about is like rakis crits and gale's dodge chance, their personal damage is always nice to upgrade too
fickle venture
I will probably do as high as 32 fear
vernal quiver
then anything works! im a big advocate for gale since theyre super consistent all around and are the most safe familiar
fickle venture
then anything works! im a big advocate for gale since theyre super consistent al...
Sure. How should I upgrade them?
vernal quiver
their foraging buff is kinda whatever just focus on the dodge chance first and the retaliation damage 2nd
never hurts to get every pet to +10 though, not like the treats are in short supply
twin panther
I'm more partial to Raki lately largely due to kudos farming, so that one is a decent pick for the first familiar to fully upgrade.
vernal quiver
plus every pet does have a use! frinos i mostly see to just invalidate rivals hecate curse, toula can work nice with circe staff and ive seen be a solid take on supay, and hecuba really likes the magic heavy weapons early game like moros or charon, but yeah raki or gale are never bad they work on everything and are super consistent and valuable no matter what
twin panther
No pet is truly useless, they are very well balanced amongst themselves, each with their uses at multiple scenarios. That said, kind of a shame Hecuba is probably the one I've used the least.
vernal quiver
i liked hecuba a lot until i started pushing high fear
frinos fell off super quick imo
oblique hazel
hecuba definitley has her uses for magick-heavy builds, especially at lower fears. even at higher fears she was kinda instrumental for my 50f charon clear
vernal quiver
its just hard to beat rakis sheer damage from crits and gales safety from blocks and dodges
silent crow
gale is terrible below high fear imo
oblique hazel
also i can vouch for toula being nice on supay
fickle venture
gale is terrible below high fear imo
I am pusing 16 and above
silent crow
I am pusing 16 and above
before u hit 50f dont bother with gale
oblique hazel
i think gale is specifically good once your gameplay fundamentals are good
twin panther
I like the idea of using Hecuba with Supay so that you'll have some source of hitstun.
vernal quiver
gale is terrible below high fear imo
i wouldnt say terrible, free blocks are free blocks and evades are evades, just less impactful until stuff starts dealing 20 damage minimum
silent crow
blocking hits that get healed off by wayward son is just not valuable
frinos' +40hp will give more defense overall than the blocks
oblique hazel
I like the idea of using Hecuba with Supay so that you'll have some source of hi...
toula does a very similar job while also helping supay's laughable early damage
vernal quiver
depends what youre getting hit by, gale blocking one typhon tongue laser outpaces frinos +40
twin panther
Gale is fine at low fear if you're the reckless sort, plus the passive helps dodge builds.
vernal quiver
plus gale is 3 blocks per region, just dont get hit by 2 damage stuff and they outpace
oblique hazel
i think toula on supay is more important once you turn on forfeit because the first few rooms with no boons are really rough lol
fickle venture
plus gale is 3 blocks per region, just dont get hit by 2 damage stuff and they o...
I am and will probably be at the point where I get hit by 2 damage randos
vernal quiver
and thats fine, again 3 blocks per region means youll be blocking more from gale than what frinos health provides
oblique hazel
to be fair sometimes its very difficult not to get hit by 2 damage randos. i hate wailers theyre so evil
vernal quiver
like if gale lasts at all to gramps, just one block there is like 20 damage and most things before are around that too
vernal quiver
to be fair sometimes its very difficult not to get hit by 2 damage randos. i hat...
i hate armored wailers with bs fang setups 🥀
twin panther
Man, and here I wanted to give Hecuba an additional good purpse with Supay, but now you guys are selling me on Toula instead. lol
Poor Hecuba can't catch a break lmao
oblique hazel
hecuba is my girl for charon and i guess theoretically shiva with omegas
fickle venture
I am a clumsy guy. I think that's fine for 32 fear. Which familiar should I prioritize?
vernal quiver
i think most of us are really high fear pilled so 😭 raki gale is 99% of what you see and like the occasional toula supay or toula circe(super rare mind you most run gale) is all you see
vernal quiver
I am a clumsy guy. I think that's fine for 32 fear. Which familiar should I prio...
ill vouch for gale 😌 great value over the whole run and make little mistakes matter less and big mistakes not matter at all if you played the main region well
plus dodge chances have saved me more than im willing to admit
twin panther
I am a clumsy guy. I think that's fine for 32 fear. Which familiar should I prio...
I'd be more inclined to go with Gale. Even if you waste all the 3 blocks early on low damage stuff, the 6% dodge chance could be clutch.
If you are more confident about nohitting, then Raki becomes more valuable.
fickle venture
okie gale it is!
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yo chat
static shock, thermal d, or double strike
running circe 65f surface w smolder ring
twin panther
For starters, do you even have enough magick to prime 50 of it for Static Shock?
vernal quiver
uhh id go static
vernal quiver
For starters, do you even have enough magick to prime 50 of it for Static Shock?
its circe doesnt matter
twin panther
It might matter if they have omega-oriented boons.
flint widget
main value of static is wards clear but scorch already removes wards
thermal d is kinda eh since we have scorch cast
vernal quiver
the 80 from thermal d is a bit useless with how fast double cast already stacks scorch
maybe just double strike
flint widget
so its just double strike
vernal quiver
i kinda always take static icl, its such a nice damage buff and gets rid of wards on like everything
twin panther
Could depend on your source of Zeus effects, but Double Strike seems to be the winner. Max magick and whether you have omega-boosting boon are kind of a big enough deal to factor in if you should pick Static Shock.
whole mortar
Does thanatos mortality increase crit chance of omega cast too? Or does it work only with omega attack and special?
twin panther
Mortality itself affects all omegas, but it can only be increased with regular attacks.
oblique hazel
Does thanatos mortality increase crit chance of omega cast too? Or does it work ...
yeah it boosts omega cast crit chance afaik
the secret extra cast aspect...
whole mortar
Ty, what does "olympus rising" mean when choosing hex? Can't all hexes be evolved into godsent?
vernal quiver
what if im insane and do thanatos 67f, im thinking about it itd be funny(i cant even get past scylla on circe 67f)
oblique hazel
what if im insane and do thanatos 67f, im thinking about it itd be funny(i cant ...
do it 
vernal quiver
has any axe 67'nd??
twin panther
Ty, what does "olympus rising" mean when choosing hex? Can't all hexes be evolve...
Only if you have the corresponding god in the pool or their keepsake equipped.
Otherwise, the godsent upgrade won't be offered in Path of Stars for the hex of your choice.
vernal quiver
not yet but mel axe has 65d twice i think
hmm maybe ill mess around with than axe on some frenzy2 rivals4 stuff so i can enjoy winning again and see how i wanna go
since ik itd just be gigaros/dashing heave farming for 67
not like staff is much better the gigaros/dual moonshot is also a grind
whole mortar
Only if you have the corresponding god in the pool or their keepsake equipped.
Does olympus rising mean that i ALREADY have boon that would allow me to upgrade this hex into godsent?
oblique hazel
no axes or torches have cleared unseeded 67 yet but the others have
i will be the first supay 67 
twin panther
Does olympus rising mean that i ALREADY have boon that would allow me to upgrade...
Yes, it means you already picked a boon from the god associated with the hex, so the godsent upgrade will be immediately available next time you find a Selene boon.
vernal quiver
godspeed soldier
twin panther
And frankly, not all hexes require their respective gods to be good. Night Bloom is perfectly useable without Hera, for instance.
whole mortar
Yes, it means you already picked a boon from the god associated with the hex, so...
Ty, does every hex have only one god associated with it?
oblique hazel
honestly looking back on how my high fear supay runs have gone so far most of my damage taken has been from basic enemies... lowkey should i consider trying strength over death 👀
oblique hazel
Ty, does every hex have only one god associated with it?
yeah theres a hex for every god
whole mortar
Yeah but i'm asking if two gods can share godsent for same hex
twin panther
Ty, does every hex have only one god associated with it?
Yes, 9 hexes total, each associated with a different god. You eventually memorize them.
whole mortar
Oh, thank you
vernal quiver
honestly looking back on how my high fear supay runs have gone so far most of my...
Woe of void4 be upon ye
twin panther
Reminder that the 9th is exclusive to Selene coat and requires Ares for the godsent.
oblique hazel
Woe of void4 be upon ye
ill figure out void 4 once i make my way up to 62 
my pb is still only 55 i gotta make baby steps
whole mortar
Does renewed faith +10% hp work only with death defiances it restored, or will all of them that are available during my current run?
oblique hazel
only the ones restored
whole mortar
ty 🙁
oblique hazel
if the death defiance next to your hp has the athena symbol it has the bonus hp 
whole mortar
Artemis + flutter strike + weed killer is great, if only i had something thjat increases my backstab/crit dmg i would be probably shredding enemies
austere trail
the humble back burner:
oblique hazel
if only there was a blades aspect that increased backstab damage........ 
whole mortar
if only there was a blades aspect that increased backstab damage........ <:melsm...
Imagine being able to combine two aspects
whole mortar
the humble back burner:
I wonder what would be best boon for quickly inflicting daze to enemies that i dashed to using OMEGA PARRY from aspect of artemis?
I guess solar ring?
austere trail
blinding rush
whole mortar
Oh yeah, i'd need to inflict daze before using omega parry anyway
oblique hazel
I wonder what would be best boon for quickly inflicting daze to enemies that i d...
probably blinding rush somehow, idk the range on that boon but whenever i have it every enemy in every room seems to be dazed lol
whole mortar
if only there was a blades aspect that increased backstab damage........ <:melsm...
I just imagined how broken artemis + backstab aspect would be if they worked together 
oblique hazel
the secret answer the top players are keeping secret is light smite... it works from range... secret tech...
whole mortar
probably blinding rush somehow, idk the range on that boon but whenever i have i...
When apollo has nothing that would increase my dmg output, i take it anyway due to sprint speed
fickle venture
how do you guys use keepstakes? I usually just start with the god/boon i want and cycle other gods until before the last guardian and equip a combat or safety keepstake
oblique hazel
I just imagined how broken artemis + backstab aspect would be if they worked tog...
the forbidden melnatos axe 
whole mortar
how do you guys use keepstakes? I usually just start with the god/boon i want an...
I always start with keepsake that's crucial for build i'm going to try, later i switch to other god with boons or athena
I won't say no to dash that deflects projectiles
I still feel like boon that makes you immune to dmg after receiving dmg is kinda useless though, since it does not seem to be trigger during the moment you receive dmg, but rather AFTER that
oblique hazel
how do you guys use keepstakes? I usually just start with the god/boon i want an...
honestly couldnt say the last time i played without the post-ending fates whim keepsakes on lol, i start ||jpom|| every time, go ||time piece|| in oceanus like 90% of the time and then its kinda whatever i feel like using from there lol
whole mortar
OH I REALLY ESPECIALLY TOOK CAT JUST TO GET DEATH DEFIANCE, THEN USED IT and athena spawned WITHOUT boon for restoring death defiance.
Yeah Hades 2, i hate you too (toxic relationship)
oblique hazel
i used to take engraved pin in tartarus every run but recently ive almost completely stopped using it in favour of luckier tooth because it feels better for rivals chronos imo (also lion fang, droplet and the occasional whantler have entered my tart keepsake rotation)
whole mortar
I can't get used to engaved pin, in theory it's useful multiple times, but i feel like 10 seconds is not enough
austere trail
surely
turbid crescent
How do yall play with jpom
like not being able to get a certain build
I can't improvise in this game for some reason
whole mortar
I unlocked it recently but i was not brave enough to even equip it
austere trail
the thing with jpom is that it makes so many things viable, just gotta experiment
turbid crescent
the thing with jpom is that it makes so many things viable, just gotta experimen...
It's just extra levels tho
austere trail
those levels do a lot
turbid crescent
how does that significantly impact anything other than heph
his blast times being shorter is one thing
oblique hazel
It's just extra levels tho
extra levels are very nice
austere trail
every boon being at lvl4 is lowkey cracked
oblique hazel
with apollo for example you get an extra 45% on his attack boons on top of whatever rarity
austere trail
I replayed a couple of chaos trials recently, and the lack of levels was depressing
oblique hazel
and with certain secondaries like double strike or pyro technique the levels do even more (common pyro technique goes from +50% to like +165% its insane lol)
also all the grasp you free up from dropping rerolls is super nice, without jpom i find myself missing stuff like artificer almost as much as the boon levels lol
oblique hazel
its important to note that some aspects are better with jpom than others, something like charon axe is gonna struggle without apollo keepsake but versatile aspects like mel staff or than axe really dont mind whatever boons theyre given generally
turbid crescent
...
oblique hazel
(not that thats stopped me from using jpom on charon axe lol)
turbid crescent
I take jpom and my starting boon is a HEX?
The one thing I never use? thanks game
oblique hazel
lmao rip that happens sometimes
sometimes you get a hammer start though which is neat
turbid crescent
not even the one hex I'm cool with lmao
austere trail
its important to note that some aspects are better with jpom than others, someth...
I still can do well without apollo on charon, at least at 32F
turbid crescent
something tells me this game hates me
Hex AND hermes boon? love it
austere trail
hermes is great though
turbid crescent
eh, got a decent boon
oblique hazel
hermes is great but hes certainly not the start of a build
turbid crescent
Zeus is NOT giving me his cast fs and im running circe
2nd best option is demeter
...
So when I DO get zeus caste, I also get a demeter duo to choose from? what do I pick
austere trail
is it hail storm? I recommend storm ring first imo
flint widget
lets go supay 62f surface done
flint widget
lets go supay 62f surface done
supays now my 6th weapon and aspect to beat 62f on both routes
man supay is miserable at high fear lmao
turbid crescent
Just no hit prometheus
The one boss I've always struggled with
wtf Jpom I love you bruv
fickle venture
Is there a good arcana setup to just clear 32 fear?
viral yew
Is there a good arcana setup to just clear 32 fear?
What aspect are you running?
FW or rerolls?
fickle venture
I dont have all FW keepstakes yet
viral yew
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912456622440325213/1444687978092953662/im...
Same setup I use
vernal quiver
do you at least have jpom
viral yew
I dont have all FW keepstakes yet
As long as you have pom and ideally chrolex
sinful marlin
this is what i do for like most things until above 62
Wayward son on 62 😱
vernal quiver
lmao
viral yew
Wayward son on 62 😱
cant put the grasp anywhere else
vernal quiver
i think on 62f i tend to drop sorceress and wayward for night so i can use selene easily
fickle venture
I am at medea 16 fear. Would like to start practicing higher fear runs with medea.
Medea because it is pretty brain dead for me.
vernal quiver
then my exact setup works great lol
sinful marlin
Yes this would be perfect
fickle venture
Yes I do have jewel pom, not the rest FW's
vernal quiver
thats fine! ideally you do chrolex area2 but if you dont have that you can also do fig leaf for timer help
fickle venture
Also how do you keep presets on the right? Is that an incantation?
vernal quiver
yeah, i literally never use it fully though i just think the card looks pretty
austere trail
yeah it is an incantation I believe
I have a couple of different presets
sinful marlin
I just have 3 skulls on my 62f preset
vernal quiver
also shoutout than axe for making me actually have to learn the game instead of staff dash attack spam
fickle venture
Which arcana cards should i use moon dust to upgrade first?
sinful marlin
Which arcana cards should i use moon dust to upgrade first?
Death
vernal quiver
uhhh death, origination, lovers, furies
sinful marlin
Yesss
vernal quiver
at least those should be top priority, everything on that arcana setup matters if you play to it fine
besides like messenger, runner, and sorceress lol
fickle venture
uhhh death, origination, lovers, furies
I dont have much resources. Do I work on just one to max or one level to each?
lone quartz
aspect or artemis + sweeping ambush + flutter strike is so fun to run
sinful marlin
It doesn't take too long to max out the deck as well so it's chill
vernal quiver
yeah id get death and origination max first asap, theyll have the most impact
but moon dust isnt hard to get so :P
lone quartz
Also how do you keep presets on the right? Is that an incantation?
yah
fickle venture
I dont understand how fates whim work - without rerolling, what if I dont get the boons i need for my build?
viral yew
I dont understand how fates whim work - without rerolling, what if I dont get th...
You take what you get and you highroll rng
austere trail
the extra levels make boons that weren't viable before (for your specific aspect) make them more viable now
fickle venture
So I just pick things and adjust on the fly? There isnt a set build I am shooting for anymore?
viral yew
You can shoot for builds
vernal quiver
You still shoot for best case but now build fundamentals matter more
viral yew
You gotta be able to make a build out of anything
vernal quiver
I.e. knowing what your weapon leans to(% or on hit), getting origination active, and using everythung you can from the god pool
viral yew
Having no rerolls can be annoying but once you get good at working around it, can be much more powerful
flint widget
plus with jpom literally anything can work lol
flint widget
🔥
austere trail
Rocking up to chronos with my aphro attack anubis build
same! (only 20F though)
viral yew
same! (only 20F though)
Respect halved
flint widget
there is no full respect in this server
viral yew
there is no full respect in this server
Not unless you do 67f surface no
solar iris
my highest Fear is 32 and that's just because i want that fancy statue
after that i went back to 12 LMAO
flint widget
Not unless you do 67f surface no
so only foolish and those chinese players have full respect
viral yew
after that i went back to 12 LMAO
Respect quartered
solar iris
Respect quartered
what does "respect quartered" means
flint widget
1/4 of respect
viral yew
what does "respect quartered" means
Oh there was some beef a while back with someone talking down on me cause I did 60f uw instead of 60f surface
solar iris
Oh there was some beef a while back with someone talking down on me cause I did ...
im definitely not one of them
i have no right to talk bad to someone who does 60 fear when im too stressed to do above 32
viral yew
LMAO
viral yew
i have no right to talk bad to someone who does 60 fear when im too stressed to ...
Yeah he'd only ever done 40 and was calling me bad
Said it was easy, and then gave up 2 weeks later and I haven't seen him since
signal coral
Yeah he'd only ever done 40 and was calling me bad
Didn't clear 67 fear all aspects = bad
(I am also bad)
viral yew
Didn't clear 67 fear all aspects = bad
Ikr i'm just a fraud
viral yew
(I am also bad)
What's your highest clear?
signal coral
Right now im working through 50 fear all aspects (I think im around 12/48)
Could probably go higher on the aspects im good at since like half of those clears were first try, but the other half were heinously bad and required big high rolls
signal coral
Stuff like Morrigan, charon, nergal took ~7 attempts each and the winning runs were very strong
silent crow
Right now im working through 50 fear all aspects (I think im around 12/48)
respect halves
viral yew
Could probably go higher on the aspects im good at since like half of those clea...
Real, 50f is either an absolute walk in the park or harder than 62
signal coral
Its mostly just being bad tbh
Like i have no doubt that something like Morrigan can easily do 62 its just that I suck and cannot play the aspect well even on 50
viral yew
It's pretty much rivals chronos that gets me 90% of the time
viral yew
Like i have no doubt that something like Morrigan can easily do 62 its just that...
Every aspect can do 62 you just have to get good enough
flint widget
or get the biggest highroll known to mankind
signal coral
The good weapons are the ones where I can reaction dash without ruining things
That's the big issue with Morrigan/charon/nergal so far
signal coral
or get the biggest highroll known to mankind
Me when my Morrigan clear is final slice + Zeus and heph in god pool
flint widget
aspectless clears, gotta be one of my favorite genders
spark crown
mighty build chat what do we think mel would name 2 chickens
Not a single person answered my important question smh 
flint widget
thats a question for general not here
spark crown
Nah almighty build chat had to have had the answer
(general chat was hidden for some gods damned reason)
flint widget
vernal quiver
TIL the 2 boon rooms ignore onion
fickle venture
okay i beat 16-fear UW with medea and FW. Didn't feel like I was lacking damage due to not having my exact build.
FW felt simpler for me than rerolls
and more fun because instead of forcing that one exact build i get to play around different gods
indigo coyote
jewelled pom makes most boon better, lv4 common feels like a lv1 epic
silent crow
TIL the 2 boon rooms ignore onion
65f clearer btw
vernal quiver
how was i supposed to know ive never gotten a trial room as my first boon til today 😭
fickle venture
jewelled pom makes most boon better, lv4 common feels like a lv1 epic
yeah i felt i had more damage than my fine tuned build with many duos
dreamy veldt
I had the insane idea yesterday to try to do 32f with every weapon but luckily a good night's sleep cleared my head
twin panther
jewelled pom makes most boon better, lv4 common feels like a lv1 epic
Think I'm gonna have to do it for this one Judgement Supay run I'm attempting. Lv 1 boons are so bad...
vernal quiver
I had the insane idea yesterday to try to do 32f with every weapon but luckily a...
32f isnt bad i pumped out a 55f than axe first try 😌 you got that ez
maybe i should submit my 62f and 65f stuff to the crossroads just for funsies >-> especially since a screenshot is all you need
viral yew
I had the insane idea yesterday to try to do 32f with every weapon but luckily a...
I've done it every aspect, you gotta start somewhere
fickle venture
i had the hera-zeus duo last night. it was pretty awesome. i was in awe. thats about it
flint widget
nyx blitz special my goat
hold up lemme whip out the zeus copypasta
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Zeus. I try to play Scorch. My Blitz deals more damage. I try to play Poseidon. My Blitz deals more damage. I try to play Blast. My Blitz deals more damage. I want to play Demeter. Her best team has Zeus. I want to play Ares, Hera. They both want Zeus.
He grabs me by the throat. I Pom for him. I reroll for him. I give him the Cloud Bangle. He isn't satisfied. I pick Extended Family. "I don't need this much Damage %" He tells me. "Give me more Poms." He grabs Echo and forces her to Pom Pom Pom. "You just need to pop Blitz more. I can deal more damage with King's Ransom."
I can't pick King's Ransom, I have no Hera core Boon. He grabs my Fate Dice. It declines. "Guess this is the end." He grabs his lightning. He says "It's over, young lady." There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but high flat damage curse application. What a cruel world.
upbeat matrix
Right now im working through 50 fear all aspects (I think im around 12/48)
Underworld or surface?
dreamy veldt
I've done it every aspect, you gotta start somewhere
See that's the thing, no I don't
I'm a 0f player through and through
upbeat matrix
no shame in that honestly
signal coral
Underworld or surface?
Ive done one surface 50 just to have one. Doing uw all aspects before moving on to surface.
signal coral
dreamy veldt
I did 32f one time for the nights testament thing and it was literally so unfun
vernal quiver
What was your vow setup??
cerulean panther
Oh, hello? Auto-Watchers take full Blood Triad damage even when in "Nuh uh, your attack didn't hurt me" mode?
upbeat matrix
I did 32f one time for the nights testament thing and it was literally so unfun
Listen I could get to 45 on torch but on great chaos above (20 Fear) im getting hard rekt
median anvil
I did 32f one time for the nights testament thing and it was literally so unfun
let me guess, hordes3
vernal quiver
Genuinely fear isnt an issue until like >45 if you just know what to put on
upbeat matrix
Genuinely fear isnt an issue until like >45 if you just know what to put on
me with hordes3 and time3 at 45 fear
flint widget
time 3 is free tho
upbeat matrix
not in erebus
flint widget
maybe its cuz ur running max hordes
vernal quiver
The rest of it is free tho
upbeat matrix
like going into hecate with less time is actually.......pretty hard
vernal quiver
Also yeah I did grit before hoards
flint widget
just timer tank ez game
vernal quiver
Also yeah I did grit before hoards
Since knowing how hoards actually works its so much worse than grit icl
upbeat matrix
Imo I think my main issue is probably the bosses, tbh. Underworld bosses esp are really bad
(All on frenzy2 rivals4 ofc)
signal coral
Great chaos just requires general experience. The more aspects and pacts you have experience with the more runs are playable.
cerulean panther
I keep forgetting that Circe's Arcana upgrades are traps.
35% Sorceress and 6 HP/MP Centaur.
austere trail
keep gambling for the origination upgrade 
upbeat matrix
I legit should probably git gud with atleast 1 of each weapon before climbing more fear, tbh
cerulean panther
What's that, 60?
flint widget
63%
cerulean panther
Oh, that's actually decent.
vernal quiver
I legit should probably git gud with atleast 1 of each weapon before climbing mo...
Imo just pick one weapon and climb
Learning how to deal with the vows is a very transferable skill, if you wanna actially climb to like 62+ its a lot more efficient to just focus on one aspect you like imo
upbeat matrix
What aspect did you use
vernal quiver
Circe for 55, 62, then mel staff for 65
upbeat matrix
I'm on torch, mel/moros
cerulean panther
Sureshot is kinda sick on the Morrigan, that base range is small.
vernal quiver
Every weapon has done 62f so fr just pick an aspect and climb, moros has done 65 iirc
signal coral
Learning how to deal with the vows is a very transferable skill, if you wanna ac...
I usually rotate
Did 32 all aspects then did speedruns for a bit, now im working on 50 all aspects
I do think that starting 50 on the weapons I was best at was helpful
hushed jay
I underestimate Melinoe staff until i built for apollo legendary + lucky hammer of double special + special bounce
4 balls of destruction, nice.
signal coral
But some of my worse weapons I think I needed to learn at 50 before trying to push higher
hushed jay
At start it's kinda meh
upbeat matrix
I probs will rotate and learn other aspects for fun now because the really unfun vows are gonna come on fear climb
vernal quiver
I underestimate Melinoe staff until i built for apollo legendary + lucky hammer ...
And what's crazy is that this build isnt even all you need to make it crazy
upbeat matrix
Maybe I should try for 50 first then rotate but rivals chronos is v scary ngl
flint widget
just get blitz attack any % special ez game
vernal quiver
Ong, twin moonshot being a free 2x and wards killer is insane too
80 base damage special is crazy
flint widget
ideal build for mel staff is blitz attack any % special scorch cast and blinding rush
hera and aphro special are ideal
dreamy veldt
let me guess, hordes3
I genuinely have no recollection of what I used
I have a brain setting to automatically purge bad memories every few days
vernal quiver
The record keeper should be able to show unless im crazy
Or maybe it doesnt show vows
night mauve
Ye
flint widget
but not the amount set
hushed jay
ideal build for mel staff is blitz attack any % special scorch cast and blinding...
Idk, i like my huge balls of destruction XD
It's doing like 2k damage per omega special in the end 
glass bone
I underestimate Melinoe staff until i built for apollo legendary + lucky hammer ...
Advice for Mel Staff; pretend Mel Staff says “Special” instead of “Specials”. OSpecial is bait, Dash Attack -> Special is the good stuff
cerulean panther
71% Epic Gagged Favor...
On a Medea run. Chaos, babe.
flint widget
man screw the mega dracon
night mauve
Do people actually use the mel staff (altho im still relatively new so idk)
vernal quiver
Yeah it was the first 67f clear, it was my 65f clear too
hushed jay
Do people actually use the mel staff (altho im still relatively new so idk)
It starts out kinda meh but the hammer is good
median anvil
Do people actually use the mel staff (altho im still relatively new so idk)
it's one of the strongest aspects
upbeat matrix
How so you play momus lol I was trying it but there is something I'm not gettibg
flint widget
was chilling with 80% of my hp then it attacks and suddenly 1 dd is gone
night mauve
Ive mostly stuck with momus for now, and sometimes anubis (did do a circe run just now tho)
night mauve
it's one of the strongest aspects
Huh. The more you know
vernal quiver
Mel staff is unironically one of the best aspects on the game the second you level it
austere trail
How so you play momus lol I was trying it but there is something I'm not gettibg
abuse the omegas
glass bone
Yeah it was the first 67f clear, it was my 65f clear too
No the first 67 clear was Medea in Early Access. But Mel Staff I think was the first 1.0 Clear
glass bone
abuse the omegas
That, or play a worse Mel Staff, or go Blasts
vernal quiver
No the first 67 clear was Medea in Early Access. But Mel Staff I *think* was the...
Ahh okok neat :3
austere trail
That, or play a worse Mel Staff, or go Blasts
blasts are very fun with momus yeah
cerulean panther
Okay, hopefully Possessed Array doesn't smoke me.
Medea was first 1.0 Surface clear.
night mauve
Oh mel staff boosts base special damage, i think i get the appeal now
This doesnt apply to the omega right
glass bone
Mel Staff is Specials, so it boosts Special and OSpecial
signal coral
Hot take mel axe is the same weapon as mel staff
night mauve
Ah, nice
night mauve
Hot take mel axe is the same weapon as mel staff
Its an axe
glass bone
Hot take mel axe is the same weapon as mel staff
It’s not.
vernal quiver
Hot take mel axe is the same weapon as mel staff
Coat and axe are both just mel staff in different shapes
glass bone
Simply dash attack special whats the difference
The difference is that Dash Attack on Mel Axe A. Has to go first before a Special (making Blitz Special Axe worse than Blitz Attack Staff), B. Deals less damage (70 vs 80), and C. Has less AoE.
vernal quiver
Mfw I dash attack -> special -> repeat and I can play half the weapons in the game at a high fear
signal coral
The difference is that Dash Attack on Mel Axe A. Has to go first before a Specia...
Im pretty sure axe dash attack is stronger than staff special
vernal quiver
Iirc its a 60 base for axe unless im crazy
glass bone
Let me double check…
signal coral
I think axe dash attack is either 40 or 45
glass bone
At first I thought it was 30 damage for some reason
signal coral
But also mel axe has a +50 bonus
Also simply hit the funny hammer and you have aoe damage
:^)
vernal quiver
Dashing heave + seething marauder my beloved
Fr just dual moonshot in different flavors
glass bone
Ok I was wrong. Mel Axe dash attack is 90, Mel Staff Special is 80
signal coral
Honestly if axe attack buffering wasn't so awkward I could see more people playing it
If you hit dashing heave the weapon honestly feels good to play imo
vernal quiver
If the game didnt just randomly forget dash attack existed on axe id love to play it more
glass bone
Ok just going into the training ground, you can do Special -> Dash Attack, I guess
hushed jay
Mel staff omega special huge balls of destruction :3
Didn't even get lucky Echo boost
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1444733213728833606/20251130-01KBATQSR6MTFCV974W31P3WGN-BFBCAF75-D1B6-4B51-82C6-B78C9B3F90BC.mov?ex=692dc827&is=692c76a7&hm=9495f2a68b878349945d45fbb7b8462b454f431b135255fb8c672d3d81ec45a4&
cerulean panther
The buffering issues extend from the big fat post-Dash window that's been a thing since H1.
Guan Yu was easily the slowest weapon in Hades at the time of its introduction (during EA, first Hidden Aspect), so the only way to get the full triple stab when you had to Dash frequently was by locking Zag to the combo until it was finished.
digital juniper
Ok just going into the training ground, you *can* do Special -> Dash Attack, I g...
yeah but due to the range of special surely that does not feel good at all?
cerulean panther
I thiiink the window was tightened very slightly for Melinoe in 1.0, but I still think there shouldn't be any amount of time post-Dash or Sprint that you can still Dash-Strike.
glass bone
Well it’s also that it doesn’t feel as smooth to go from Special -> Dash Attack
digital juniper
yeah that’s what you said and i’m asking if it doesn’t feel good
glass bone
You were asking about AoE. I was referring to the frames between a Special and Dash Attack
And yeah, the AoE isn’t the same either
digital juniper
Ok just going into the training ground, you *can* do Special -> Dash Attack, I g...
this is what i replied to, i didn’t see a mention of an aoe
glass bone
Mel Axe is probably on par with Mel Staff for bossing, but I feel like it still needs some wards clear or help for room encounters that Mel Staff wouldn’t.
digital juniper
range of special as in the range it can hit an enemy, so it probably feels clunky having to be in an enemy’s face and then dash attacking into them
glass bone
Ok I figured out a range of Special, but it’s a bit hard to describe
So on the training ground, there are these rocks south west of Schelemeus. Standing on any of the rocks “in the front row” (with the exception of the rock behind the giant shade follower) would allow you to hit him with Axe Special
Oh wait, I got a better way to describe it
Basically, you can hit an enemy if they are within the radius range of base cast, plus a few extra units
tawny imp
is plasma good on hel
it seems like it would be very powerful because you dont have to mash
cerulean panther
You know, I almost always run Ares on Hel and I've never really tried for Plasma before.
glass bone
is plasma good on hel
Uh….. sure. I got a weird answer for this one because my strategy for Hel (HIGH FEAR) ignores OSpecial / OAttack
sinful marlin
is plasma good on hel
Idk probably not
The speed boost from the special is so high anyways the plasma won't really make that much of a difference
night mauve
Weird question and i dont know if i should ask it here but can a hex become godsent if you get the hex before the god
(Without the keepsake of said god)
manic shuttle
yes
night mauve
Ok cool guess im taking night bloom and hoping hera shows up
manic shuttle
if you get the God afterwards godsent nodes become available
upbeat matrix
You can only get 4 gods naturally btw
night mauve
if you get the God afterwards godsent nodes become available
Nice
glass bone
Nice
Yep. Also I think theoretically, you could get a maximum of 6 gods in a pool without using keepsakes (done via buying a 4th unique god in a shop, then getting a 5th unique god via travel deal, then getting a 6th unique god via a boss reward)
sinful marlin
Same rules as hades 1 i presume?
What were the rules in hades 1
night mauve
4 gods and hermes unless you get a new god in the shop and a seperate new one on the door or something
Excluding keepsakes which i think let them show up once if the pool is filled already
sinful marlin
Niceee
night mauve
Yep. Also I *think* theoretically, you could get a maximum of 6 gods in a pool w...
Nice lol
opal pecan
Yeah, but what's your scorch applicator
tawny imp
attack lol
opal pecan
Hot Pot lah, you should be spamming that enough not to need Highly Flammable
Especially with Burning Desire backing you up (if you have decent Weak application anyway)
tawny imp
i have passion rush which isnt ideal i guess but i had ares gain alr
opal pecan
IMO at least, Highly Flammable is more useful if your scorch source is on something you aren't constantly spamming
tawny imp
I can’t stop taking black vow banishment
Even though it almost never hits something good
median anvil
https://imgur.com/a/W7Er9Nj
frenzy hordes grit menace fangs and you wonder why it was unfun 😭
dreamy veldt
My logic was that I'd rather take things that make fights longer than more difficult to an extent (I know that doesn't add up in practice but I didn't know)
vernal quiver
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsNSwwLDAs...
Like just do this literally almost nothing changes besides region bosses and timings
median anvil
My logic was that I'd rather take things that make fights longer than more diffi...
what you took is the most difficult combination for normal encounters
vernal quiver
And if you dont want timer 3 put on like debt and return or smth 😭
dreamy veldt
Im the slowest player on the planet
vernal quiver
tawny imp
Even though it almost never hits something good
Surely this time it will hit frenz
vernal quiver
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwyLDYsMCwwLDEsNSwwLDIs...
Well theres a timer1 setup that also barely changes the game
sinful marlin
There's so many combinations till 50 fear ngl
vernal quiver
Grit and hoards are genuinely things you want to avoid until 50+
dreamy veldt
Interesting
tawny imp
My logic was that I'd rather take things that make fights longer than more diffi...
You know what you should run instead of hordes or grit
dreamy veldt
Fun fact I used to do max grit and hordes to do like 16f because I didn't realize how bad of an idea that was
sinful marlin
Grit and hoards are genuinely things you want to avoid until 50+
Yesss, even scars 2 is super manageable
tawny imp
I actually do have grit 1 turned on
sinful marlin
You know what you should run instead of hordes or grit
Void 4 bruh
dreamy veldt
I don't like scars cause I'm already bad at not getting hit
sinful marlin
I don't like scars cause I'm already bad at not getting hit
There's so much healing you won't notice it
vernal quiver
There's so much healing in the game scars2 is still super free
dreamy veldt
But if I recall correctly, this was the only time I ran frenzy2 and that was the big stressor for me
vernal quiver
Like wayward son drops to 3 instead of 5 its nothing
But even then you can completely avoid grit, hoards, pain, and scars until 45
dreamy veldt
I don't have any reason to do fear anymore but now I'm curious
tawny imp
I wish void gave more fear
I don’t want to play with debt wards or forfeit and everything else is obviously not good
vernal quiver
Like for reference I did a 55f than run that looked like this earlier
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMywyLDYsMywzLDIsNSwyLDIsMiwzLDYsMCwyLDIsMTJd
flint widget
but the three are not bad tbh
vernal quiver
manic shuttle
debt is free with chrolex, I love recycling chaos lel
vernal quiver
https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/1233146305308528650/144470723936...
Like i facetanked chronos and was fine
dreamy veldt
Sub20 on 55f is so insane to me lmao
vernal quiver
My 65f was faster iirc lol
sinful marlin
Like for reference I did a 55f than run that looked like this earlier
https://h...
This was my exact setup for my first 55 clear as well, it did take some getting used to for the timer with max hordes and grit but the bosses were kinda easy
tawny imp
If it’s referring to in game timer aren’t all timer 3 runs sub 20 anyways
dreamy veldt
Let me share some times from my most recent 0f runs
vernal quiver
If it’s referring to in game timer aren’t all timer 3 runs sub 20 anyways
No sometimes people time out, my 65f surface was 20 seconds away from timing out lol
dreamy veldt
26:47
19:10
18:31
21:04
18:19
21:55
25:42
18:44
20:49
24:08
My 10 most recent times on 0f
vernal quiver
Most difficulty from fear 0 -> 45 is gonna stem from bosses and game knowledge since you avoid the things that make the main rooms super hard, its more of a test of getting builds through denial going and boss knowledge
dreamy veldt
My knowledge is that I avoid vows
vernal quiver
Lmao fair
vernal quiver
26:47
19:10
18:31
21:04
18:19
21:55
25:42
18:44
20:49
24:08
Well every single one beats timer2
dreamy veldt
The only thing is that now that I track my records, I'm afraid of trying fear (ha afraid) cause it's gonna make my win rates even worse 😭
But like it doesn't actually matter I guessss
vernal quiver
Dawg my 62f surface grind had like 3 straight pages of losses lmao
At least half of em were me dying on purpose for seed reset since I didnt have epilogue finished but still, the climb is fun imo especially once you feel the improvement
dreamy veldt
This is what I'm at rn
glass bone
At least half of em were me dying on purpose for seed reset since I didnt have e...
You don’t have to die for a seed reset. You can do a give up at the pause menu to then reset the seed
vernal quiver
I didnt have the seed reroll incant from epilogue when I was doing 62f 😔 I could've sworn if you didnt have that you have to die to fully reset it(specifically the start since ik its generative)
glass bone
Oh yeah. That
sinful marlin
Give me gigaros dual moonshot start or I retire
tawny imp
Win rates do not matter in this game
vernal quiver
My staff win rate is probably terrible given its my high fear weapon lmao
dreamy veldt
Win rates do not matter in this game
I know it doesn't matter I just like to look at them
tawny imp
It’s technically super cheesable with fate reset + undo night anyways
How often do Yall take Medea because I take her asap 100% of the time
vernal quiver
Assuming timer matters all the time, but on the tail end of rooms since enemy density scales
elder lichen
Finally beat 24f surface
vernal quiver
Oh enemy density scales??
Yeah later rooms always have more so getting a free room as one of your last ones is always the most valuable
tawny imp
Love Medea curses I think she’s one of the best support encounters
dreamy veldt
Love Medea curses I think she’s one of the best support encounters
She's like my least favorite lol
vernal quiver
Yeah later rooms always have more so getting a free room as one of your last one...
So for ephyra you want to take medea and a miniboss last 2
tawny imp
all of her stuff is at least decent and she has some ridiculous stuff
Corrosion is obviously broken
dreamy veldt
Speaking of support encounters, is there literally a single aspect in the game that actually wants Dionysus RNG damage
tawny imp
traces of spirit solves magick
tawny imp
Speaking of support encounters, is there literally a single aspect in the game t...
Hel Supay
vernal quiver
Speaking of support encounters, is there literally a single aspect in the game t...
Uhhhh no its just funny lol
dreamy veldt
For some reason that boon isn't showing up on his page
I couldn't remember if it gave any rates and was gonna check
tawny imp
traces of spirit solves magick
Harm to afflicted goes kinda crazy with blitz
The life money drop ones are just a nice bonus if nothing else
Suffering is very funny and sometimes very effective
Projectile slow makes some boss attacks insanely free like ironically Medea’s attacks in poly rivals
dreamy veldt
The projectile one is definitely my favorite to see
Oh wait I was gonna try to up fear now but I forgot I'm redoing the story thing currently
twin panther
Also that one that increases max magick +5 per encounter. Major reason I pick her gate first.
dreamy veldt
Which I mean I could but I'd rather just speed run this so I can stop having to use my brain to read
dreamy veldt
My favorite is 100% echo
twin panther
Icarus to exhaust his dialogue once and for all. 
Similar logic with Narcissus, come to think of it.
vernal quiver
I only care for athena when I need renewed faith lol, icarus feels really situational, I think I like arachne the most
Shes easily the most consistent and valuable for where she is imo
dreamy veldt
For second I'd probably say Circe or Hades
twin panther
Arachne is my overall favorite too, even if her dresses rarely last past Hecate lol
vernal quiver
Oh wait yeah hades my goat
tawny imp
Echo is kinda weird
vernal quiver
Oh wait yeah hades my goat
Give me gigaros dash and deep dissent please
tawny imp
Echo is kinda weird
she sometimes give useless garbage
twin panther
Echo is good for the offers that don't diminish over time.
tawny imp
and denial makes her strongest options a lot weaker
vernal quiver
Echo is kinda weird
The dd refill is great, the dodge change is good, her hp and Magick one is solid
twin panther
Except for the DD refill, I almost always pick that one.
dreamy veldt
I will potentially skip Arachne Narcissus and Medea*
I spam 0f which means I generally don't have a problem taking too much damage which means I generally don't care much about armor
vernal quiver
The dd refill is great, the dodge change is good, her hp and Magick one is solid
The reward copy i only really like if a hammer lined up
tawny imp
this is a fair 0f perspective but i cant imagine skipping medea with timer 3 on lol
vernal quiver
Timer3 means you take every midshop and npc lol
dreamy veldt
Yeah makes sense
vernal quiver
And some weapons have to take chaos gates if you dont get setup asap
tawny imp
i do avoid arachne sometimes if theres a good miniboss boon but yeah
median anvil
this is a fair 0f perspective but i cant imagine skipping medea with timer 3 on ...
sometimes an extra boon can save a ton of time in the long run
tawny imp
Medea IS the boon that saves time
twin panther
I pick Echo's reward copy every time. More boons mean better chances at legendary/duos.
median anvil
Medea IS the boon that saves time
imagine static shock on coat
tawny imp
if i roll corrosion on medea that run is going to be way faster on rooms
twin panther
The one that rewards boons from previous run that I find more situational, not helped by me not remembering them lol
dreamy veldt
The only time I will seek out Medea is if I get the projectile slow from Hermes cause then I want both
Otherwise she's a "ok I got all the gods I want and need to fill the last couple spots"
tawny imp
i do think Athena is the best support encounter her safety is insane but its close
dreamy veldt
She's also the most hype
Man the first time it happened I was so excited
I was already looking forward to it cause they kept mentioning Athena
tawny imp
nausisicus obv feels like the weakest
dreamy veldt
And even more cool cause I think she looks sick in this game
Last time I thought she was ugly
twin panther
Narcissus is fine if he offers the boon bag or money.
But yeah, the weakest one in uw.
odd bolt
Narcissus is top tier in the early game for the resources
tawny imp
It’s a shame probably his best roll is locked behind not having FW
odd bolt
imo echo is the best npc in the entire game, she can't give you a bad reward
twin panther
There are no bad rewards from her in my experience, true. Kinda ironic that her keepsake is more of a mixed bag, but it's not as outright detrimental like Artemis' or Eris'.
All the others range from amazingly well timed to paperweight in all-random Chaos Trials.
odd bolt
and it's not even close to me, maybe hades cause he can give you some really good bons and Athena as well obviously, Icarus is good too, but like echo still has better rewards I think
turbid karma
She's also the most hype
Athena’s entrance still gets me hyped
first time I saw her come down I just about lost it 😄 she’s sick as hell
dreamy veldt
Yee
Also lol I went to go check this shop before going through a chaos gate
And I can buy the item to spawn a chaos gate
We're going for it
dreamy veldt
I'm gonna create a petition to add an option in the settings to turn on what I call Ulteya mode
Where anything that has a countdown gets a little icon in the corner that tells you how much time is left
Chaos curse, dark side, first x seconds of each encounter effects, etc
I know a lot of people wouldn't want the visual clutter but I hate using visual or audio cues
opal pecan
I will potentially skip Arachne Narcissus and Medea*
I spam 0f which means I g...
If you're not taking damage, though, Arachne's dresses are even better lol
Then you can keep the bonus effect :P
dreamy veldt
Yeah but I think the bonus effects are generally mid
opal pecan
Wild take!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🕸️
dreamy veldt
I saw rocking my goated crimson dress
median anvil
"bonus effects are generally mid" mfs when they get the +100% cast damage on a charon run
opal pecan
She honestly has multiple dresses that work nicely with Charon
dreamy veldt
Actually I just looked at them again and idk why I thought they were mid
opal pecan
EXACTLY
dreamy veldt
I think moonlight dress has mid potential along with azure
But other than that they're good so nvm
opal pecan
Time for you to pop off in some haute couture next time 😎
dreamy veldt
Lol
Also I'm learning that security system+ Gale is an awkward combination
Usually I use security system to just facetank while spamming
But I have to use a game charge first which I don't want to do unnecessarily
spiral wadi
yea gale is only active like 2 or 3 sec into a room so security system loses value
i wish they just made it work like u get 2/3/4/5 invul charges for 5secs into an encounter lol
dreamy veldt
I would like to see how much damage I do from mods at the end
Like I have 66% on crimson dress and +67% attack damage from chaos I wanna see what those add up to
opal pecan
Yeah, it's a bit odd there's nowhere to check, say, your total dodge chance.
You just have to go and do your own arithmetic after scrubbing through every single boon.
tawny imp
It’s probably weird to calc % attack because of stuff like origination
opal pecan
I get it for the conditional stuff, but surely the global buffs.... ah well
south crystal
So in the Vow of the Unseen menu, there is a sentence that says “Conquer the Surface - 24 💀”
I just cleared the Surface with 24 fear but did not get any Nightmare? Welp?
Was I not supposed to get anything?
median anvil
So in the Vow of the Unseen menu, there is a sentence that says “Conquer the Sur...
that's for skelly's statues
south crystal
The skelly statues are for 8, 16 and 32 though
median anvil
Was I not supposed to get anything?
beat 32 fear in the underworld as well and you will get a glorious statue of the champion of night
median anvil
The skelly statues are for 8, 16 and 32 though
in the underworld, you have to beat the surface too
hollow stag
What boons do you want Hera's Bridal Glow to bless?
dreamy veldt
I don't think there's any good way to answer that
I guess you could say like a common core boon?
median anvil
What boons do you want Hera's Bridal Glow to bless?
whichever one is convenient for me at the time
twin panther
The skelly statues are for 8, 16 and 32 though
Those fear values are specifically for uw runs, tho. Surface values are lower. Highest it gets there for the statues is 24 fear.
twin panther
What boons do you want Hera's Bridal Glow to bless?
Generally speaking, whichever one is at Common, is used the most in your build and/or has higher value at Heroic, like Sea Star or something. Not that you can choose whichever boon is blessed anyway.
lone harbor
on weapons like Axe / Coat, which would you go between Hera attack and Apollo attack?
dreamy veldt
Hera lover AND hitch enjoyer simultaneously is crazy
I would personally go Apollo attack but I'm also bad at the game so do with that what you will
lone harbor
Hera lover AND hitch enjoyer simultaneously is crazy
wwwhwhhhaa why lol
dreamy veldt
I feel like it's similar to saying you're you love oranges and orange juice or something
opal pecan
on weapons like Axe / Coat, which would you go between Hera attack and Apollo at...
Axe and Coat are two very different weapon types
Like. Diametrically opposed.
lone harbor
Like. Diametrically opposed.
which would you go respective to either weapons?
dreamy veldt
Axe is slow big hit coat is fast small hit
On coat I'm looking for like Hestia Poseidon type thing
lone harbor
oh yeah true, poseidon is great for fast attacking weapons isnt it?
twin panther
on weapons like Axe / Coat, which would you go between Hera attack and Apollo at...
Probably Apollo, mostly for bigger AOE and chance of getting secondary boon that lets you daze. I think Hera is better on special for both weapons.
vernal quiver
Hera is better on atk for axe lol, its special generally wants to be blitz or just something for origination
Unless its charon then put it on special
dreamy veldt
I will fully admit to the possibility of me thinking about hitch incorrectly but I think I would never do Hera special on axe
I always try to put hitch on something that I can hit multiple enemies at a time
vernal quiver
Hera is just big% boon with an amazing cc curse so it goes where the big base number is
opal pecan
Axe omega special does hit multiple enemies at a time, fwiw
dreamy veldt
Yeah true I was only thinking of normal
twin panther
Thing is axe has high base power, so Hera can go on whichever for it. I'm mainly a Charon enjoyer, so special is a better fit for Hera there with the omega spam you should be doing.
lone harbor
yall i have been embracing nexus rush..... lately
its so good
then again i play highest like f26
vernal quiver
Its nice! Not my favorite but its solid
opal pecan
It's a good rush boon, Brent! (Less good if you're applying a lot of hitch via other methods though)
dreamy veldt
I really like Hera dash and cast until I get to a boss
lone harbor
do rush boons take effect if you just sprint through enemies?
or is it exclusively for the dash and only the dash
twin panther
I try to avoid the same curse across multiple boons, so I don't use Nexus Rush often, but it's viable.
opal pecan
or is it exclusively for the dash and only the dash
Read the boon wording carefully -- if it means dash it'll say dash, if it works on sprint it'll say sprint
twin panther
do rush boons take effect if you just sprint through enemies?
Depends on the god. Most core dash boons only work during sprints, a few only for the dashes.
lone harbor
Read the boon wording carefully -- if it means dash it'll say dash, if it works ...
gotchyaa
dreamy veldt
I wish there was something with hitch that said like "if I'm applied to a guardian deal 100 damage" or something just so it doesn't feel like a total waste (I know it doesn't actually need a buff)
vernal quiver
That'd be insane what 😭
Hera ate Rama bow which was busted because of shared suffering and you want it to be better 😔
dreamy veldt
I don't know what this sentence says
lone harbor
Read the boon wording carefully -- if it means dash it'll say dash, if it works ...
what attack boon do you usually run with coat?
vernal quiver
I don't know what this sentence says
Ok maybe not insane but still hitch is fine even on guardians its my origination bot
Plus most bosses have ads anyway, it murders scylla and prom
opal pecan
what attack boon do you usually run with coat?
I like Hestia best, but Poseidon's great too, and tbh you can make other stuff work just fine even if it's not Tip Top Optimal
twin panther
what attack boon do you usually run with coat?
Any % increase boon can work, tho generally not Hera in particular. I'd say Poseidon is only good if you get the hammer that deals multiple hits on dash strikes early.
lone harbor
cool cool
opal pecan
Any % increase boon can work, tho generally not Hera in particular. I'd say Pose...
This is incorrect
Attack on non-hidden coats has a low base power, therefore benefiting less from % increasing boons
vernal quiver
Yeah coat is never a % weapon unless its Shiva iirc
opal pecan
Like I said, you can make anything work, but "Poseidon is only good if" ER is not true.
vernal quiver
Yeah coat is never a % weapon unless its Shiva iirc
And even then didnt Shiva clear 67 by ignoring its Oattack lmao
twin panther
Really not a fan of omega attacks on any of the coats tbh. I like omega specials more on non-Shiva aspects.
dreamy veldt
Ok maybe not insane but still hitch is fine even on guardians its my origination...
Yeah I said in the og message I know it doesn't need a buff it's just a mental thing for me
If you could pick six weapons to have from both games which would you pick
I'd probably say sword, spear, flames, axe, skull, fists
twin panther
Probably sister blades, bow, fists, flames, axe, skull.
vernal quiver
Id probably go sword, staff bow, axe, flames, skull
manic shuttle
bow, flames, rail, staff, skull, edit: axe for 6th
dreamy veldt
Now I kinda miss h1 weapons
I basically did nothing extra in 1 so I could probably just go back and finish stuff
Iirc the only person I maxed bond with was Meg
And did like nothing cosmetic
vernal quiver
I loved the bow in h1 I really miss it, and doing fresh file h1 made me miss the sword a little
The other weapons I cant say I cared for besides maybe rail but I like the skull aspects more and fists I do like over coat but like they're not my top6 between the games
dreamy veldt
I loved the shotgun aspect of rail
Also the multi shield aspect
And Guan Yu my beloved
twin panther
Kinda sucks Pan blades is just so "we have Chiron bow at home"-coded. Needs more specific stuff to really make its one distinct feature work.
Either Howling Soul or Lightning Lance, otherwise might as well use any of the other blades instead.
dreamy veldt
Is it possible to get howling soul with one of the ranged casts?
I assumed there would be something blocking that but I also thought it would've been shown in requirements
median anvil
Is it possible to get howling soul with one of the ranged casts?
no, if you have a ranged cast the others won't get offered
dreamy veldt
Makes sense
Someone make a mod that lets me have a fireball thunderbolt poison + whatever howling soul is cast
I press A and the game crashes
hollow briar
And even then didnt Shiva clear 67 by ignoring its Oattack lmao
Wards really tampers with the preferred OSpesh -> OAttack loop
dreamy veldt
Wards are evil
hollow briar
Truth. Easily a bottom 3 Vow for me
dreamy veldt
I wonder how people manage doing max fear mace before they get a dash boon
Step into Erebus, start attack animation then immediately die from 5 fish dashing into you for 20 damage each
Oh yeah and if you're on max fear won't you just not even get a boon in your first room
median anvil
Step into Erebus, start attack animation then immediately die from 5 fish dashin...
just... dodge the fish...?
opal pecan
Drop cast, dash, and prep while they're snared, I expect
night mauve
just... dodge the fish...?
What if i really like fish
night mauve
Drop cast, dash, and prep while they're snared, I expect
But also yeah this, to me the fish seemed like the tutorial for using the cast effectively
night mauve
Wards are evil
Wards 1: kinda awkward sonetimes but unless you're on high fear its not too bad
Wards 2: spawn of hell
sturdy knoll
I just won a Zagreus battle that lasted several minutes due to bad dps but with me taking literally zero hits… fireballs for the win I guess?
night mauve
If it works then it works?
sturdy knoll
Yeah sure, let’s see how typhon works out
night mauve
Yeah good luck with that
austere trail
if you can beat zag you can beat typhon
base typhon, at least
austere trail
the damage he does is ridiculous
austere trail
admittedly I play on frenzy1 or 2 so he's a bit harder to outpace
night mauve
Otherwise you can just stay out of the way and then drive by
night mauve
admittedly I play on frenzy1 or 2 so he's a bit harder to outpace
Oh yeah with frenzy thats a diffrent story
dreamy veldt
I feel like Zagreus is a simple fight just a very punishing one
sturdy knoll
if you can beat zag you can beat typhon
base typhon, at least
Yeah problem is that I’m relying heavily on taking and giving damage by using the hammer with +HP per Omega kill on the staff with the Icarus AND Circe upgrades so I’m kinda bad at bosses in general
dreamy veldt
Like bro has three moves but also you get three times getting hit by then and then you're dead*
*Obviously varies based on where you are in the run
night mauve
I feel like Zagreus is a simple fight just a very punishing one
Agreed
If you did em4 on hades 1 alot he's fine even when you're new to the fight
Zagreus' moveset is basically just em4 hades just without the stuff that isnt with the spear or cast anyway
dreamy veldt
I only ever did up to 2
dreamy veldt
I know Theseus becomes like an android or something but I've never seen em Hades
austere trail
no he just rides a souped-up chariot
night mauve
I do rivals 4 in hades 2 alot more tho even tho its worse designed than em overall imo
dreamy veldt
no he just rides a souped-up chariot
Same thing /j
opal pecan
I think that's a debated opinion
night mauve
I know Theseus becomes like an android or something but I've never seen em Hades
Theseus gets a chariot, asterius gets armor and ||hades gets an amped up kit, cerberus summon, miniboss summons and an extra phase and healing||
night mauve
I think that's a debated opinion
Mine?
dreamy veldt
Theseus gets a chariot, asterius gets armor and ||hades gets an amped up kit, ce...
Oh that sounds sick
night mauve
The zagreus boss theme in 2 is the same as the ||hades phase 3 theme||
dreamy veldt
Once I finish redoing the story in 2 I think I'll try to experience em4 in 1
night mauve
Mine?
Rivals is cooler by far but alot of it just boils down to go go touhou ft. Cerberus' tiny ass arena in phase 1
I like eris, prometheus and typhon gameplay wise tho
dreamy veldt
Rivals Scylla, Prometheus, and Typhon are all super sick to me
night mauve
Rivals scylla is very cool but i despise charybdis
dreamy veldt
Can you sense a pattern
night mauve
Ye
dreamy veldt
Actually it's not complete cause I didn't say Polyphemus
night mauve
I despise rivals polyphemus, so much poison
dreamy veldt
But I just dislike poison
night mauve
He's not that hard and ive never lost a run to him but I HATE POISON
dreamy veldt
That was my most hated part of 1
night mauve
Ye
cerulean panther
I feel like Zagreus is a simple fight just a very punishing one
You even fight him in mid-shops.
dreamy veldt
Isn't that the only place you fight him?
cerulean panther
Yeah, just like Charon.
dreamy veldt
I loved the concept of the Charon fight
Like the whole I try to steal from him and the record stops and he's like ayo
The first time I did it was so funny
cerulean panther
The record scratch is one of many details that makes Hades so good.
dreamy veldt
Yep
Crazy how you can get a game like this for $30(?) and then turn around and see a game that's like "hey I know you've bought and played me ten times over the last twenty years but we have another new gimmick!!! That'll be $70"
Society
cerulean panther
I think capitalism is mutually inexclusive with art.
We've mostly been forcing the two to coexist for the last few centuries and as it turns out capitalism will eventually correct itself out of existence, so.
dreamy veldt
Now I just need devs to cross the microtransaction line, nothing crazy just let me buy more recolors for familiars and also add all the weapons from 1
You know, simple stuff
silent crow
piracy of old games is carrying my gaming life
dreamy veldt
I would kill to be able to make Gale pink
night mauve
I want to wear a hat
cerulean panther
I would agree if we didn't already have a hat.
night mauve
???
cerulean panther
Oh, you mean a hat for Mel.
night mauve
Ye
cerulean panther
I meant I'd also sell my soul for Pokemon skins if we didn't already have a hat for Toula.
night mauve
Fair
dreamy veldt
For replaying the story, do any of the npc conversations change cause I've gotten used to just not talking to anyone and now everyone wants to talk
Aside from Hecate
night mauve
Probably not but talk to everybody anyway because they're cool people
dreamy veldt
Hm the incantation for Hypnos is here again
Did something change with that?
Have heph and Poseidon in my pool and I took both attack and special from heph for the meme
Probably fastest Scylla fight I've ever had
dreamy veldt
Have heph and Poseidon in my pool and I took both attack and special from heph f...
Hurry up gaaaaame
Finally
Two 1.5s heph blasts, we're gaming
night mauve
https://imgur.com/a/wFYjcPk
Its so fast its a gif 💀
edgy nacelle
https://imgur.com/a/wFYjcPk
the blasts are very fun but ALSO hitch vs sirens doing some work too 👀 my queen hera popping off, as usual, collaborating with her least favorite son
silent crow
the blasts are very fun but ALSO hitch vs sirens doing some work too 👀 my queen...
hera ew
how is she your queen
i always thought everyone had like a begrudging acceptance that hera is op
opal pecan
That's just you mate
dreamy veldt
She's not my favorite but I don't care enough about her to have a real opinion
edgy nacelle
how is she your queen
my most picked and probably favorite god kit-wise in the game.
also what can I say, I don’t find her attractive cause 🏳️🌈 but I’m part of a long tradition of fruity guys stanning extremely petty self centered divas, what can I say
idk, I like what they did with her design, dialogue, and voice direction a LOT, she’s so amusingly insufferable and so like…. tired of her life 💀
I’ve never once cared about Hera in mythology but I love h2 Hera
(versus Apollo who I do care about in mythology but in h2 feel almost nothing about. I like time belongs to us. beyond that he is simply Fine)
opal pecan
He's a bit nothingish
edgy nacelle
he’s a Very Nice Boy
opal pecan
Hestia? Hephaestus? They got the spark in their godly souls for sure. Apollo just is there.
austere trail
he’s a Very Nice Boy
not when he kills you in a family dispute
he's actually pretty mean
opal pecan
(And ofc Hera is diva, as you say)
edgy nacelle
which. good for him.
but my favorite gods to interact with from a writing perspective are like…. hestia hera demeter, probably. also poseidon because he’s hilarious
edgy nacelle
not when he kills you in a family dispute
he's actually pretty mean
that’s very true lmao
opal pecan
I think Dionysus is pretty funny, even if I hate getting trolled by his boons and his keepsake lmao
edgy nacelle
I do love dionysus lol, altho I liked him a tad more in h1 overall…?
twin panther
Poseidon is more fun for me here primarily for whenever Sea Star triggers. Seeing him so giddy about it gives me life.
edgy nacelle
sea star is such a peak boon lmao. also I thiiiiink one of just three which gets voice acting?
the other two being winter harvest and shocking loss
opal pecan
Shocking Loss's VO is so funny to me
twin panther
I know of Zeus' legendary, what's the other one?
opal pecan
Demeter legendary
twin panther
Ah
opal pecan
And it even works on final bosses, which is epic as hell
dreamy veldt
I liked Dionysus in h1 but dislike him in h2, both personally and visually
twin panther
But Demeter's come back from first game, the other two are new iirc.
opal pecan
I mean, he's a bit of a useless sot in H2, but I find him amusing as the useless-sot character
twin panther
Dio was way more useful in H1 because of his cast duos imo. No duos made the usefulness of many of his boons nosedive.
edgy nacelle
I prefer his h1 design but I think his h2 design is camp lmfao, it’s so funny to me.
especially in the context of certain corners of the internet complaining that hades 2 was “too woke” at the time because of stuff like Heph and Hestia’s designs, then they come out with another patch and it’s like “:) observe: bulge”
unhinged behavior and I love it
opal pecan
???????? What's wrong with their designs lmfao
austere trail
???????? What's wrong with their designs lmfao
not white basically
edgy nacelle
???????? What's wrong with their designs lmfao
omg did you never hear abt that? good
dreamy veldt
I just think his complete aloofness is stupid, like I understand if he just wanted to party frequently to deal with the stress of having to fight or whatever but to care 0% is crazy
Hestia has vitiligo and Heph is in a wheelchair
twin panther
Hestia has vitiligo and Heph is in a wheelchair
Not seeing the issue there. It fits the characters.
dreamy veldt
Character design variety is woke
edgy nacelle
absolute losers being like “wahhhh the greek gods aren’t all snow white, this is woke propaganda” and also calling Heph in a wheelchair like. DEI I guess despite that being literally accurate to some mythological depiction
austere trail
people just love to complain about nothing. brain rot
edgy nacelle
the funniest for me was someone in 1.0 sending a screenshot of olympus post-typhon with the white marble statues and going “ah finally, historical accuracy” when like.
fun fact, that is if anything Less historically accurate than Heph being in a wheelchair lmfao, pure white statues are kind of a myth
austere trail
yep! they just got eroded
opal pecan
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dreamy veldt
Historical accuracy is just dog whistle coping anyway
opal pecan
I'm gonna headcanon that the statues got their paint washed off by Typhon's storms lmao
austere trail
also I HATE people trying to use "historical accuracy" as an excuse. total whiner behaviour
dreamy veldt
Anyway enough of all that
edgy nacelle
yyyyup
but truly enough of that, I’m glad it doesn’t ever show up on this server
opal pecan
Combat wise, I hard threw a PA Born Gain run earlier today by psyching myself out during the first P2 instakill
edgy nacelle
honestly I feel like I’m about to have a hestia dash loving arc 👀
it was doing WORK for wards clear in erebus last night… and soloing some weak enemies