h2-builds-and-combat

[dreamy veldt]

Do I want to gamble my last god with a mystery boon

[opal pecan]

If it's preboss shop you could always just gamble 2x combo and try to purge it if it's bad

[warm matrix]

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh so i have to run with jeweled pom for the whole run, right?

[broken spoke]

No, just first region

[dreamy veldt]

2x combo?

[opal pecan]

No, the Fates' Whim keepsakes keep their effect after removing as long as you maintain Fates' Whim conditions

[warm matrix]

oh ok

[opal pecan]

The tooltip which explains Fates' Whim is very literal and accurate

[warm matrix]

got it

dont say that they keep working after you turn them off btw

[opal pecan]

No, I just mean wrt "how to maintain Fates' Whim"

[warm matrix]

so if i take a boon after change the pom for anything else (not the god's keepsake) this boon will still get +lvls?

[dreamy veldt]

Does that remove the god from the pool?

[warm matrix]

oh great

and if i chenge pom to a god's keepsake all levels will disappear, right?

[edgy nacelle]

yup, just don’t take keepsakes from the 9 gods who give core boons or Athena
you won’t lose levels you already gained tho, so you can break fate’s whim mid-run if you need to

[opal pecan]

You keep the levels but lose the blessing

[warm matrix]

so, that's like, the actual random runs

[edgy nacelle]

you keep the levels! you’ll lose the blessing from hades and future boons won’t be upgraded, but that’s all

[warm matrix]

oh ok

[dreamy veldt]

Help help mystery boon or no

[opal pecan]

Theoretically it removes the god from the pool if that was the only one you had from them, buuuuut it doesn't mean that the seed won't be weirdly fixated on that one god anyway (ask me how I know)

[warm matrix]

what means the god in the pool? Arent they random?

[edgy nacelle]

once you take a boon from a god, they’re added to the pool and you will likely keep seeing them
the pool is (generally) capped at 4, so you’ll stop seeing new gods once you’ve taken boons from 4, unless you do something specific like take a god keepsake for a 5th god

[opal pecan]

Under normal circumstances, theoretically you get offered a maximum of four unique gods, not counting Hermes or the one-time-special-encounter gods

[edgy nacelle]

gods like hermes and artemis don’t count since they don’t give core boons, they’re just a separate thing

[edgy nacelle]

also I don’t have context for this I haven’t been in chat so uh. sure

[opal pecan]

GANBLE 🎲

[broken spoke]

I play with fate whim i go gamble

[warm matrix]

yeah, well, last run i had 7 different gods because i had 28% Hera's buff. 4% each.

how so?

[opal pecan]

Well you'll notice I prefaced with "under normal circumstances"

[dreamy veldt]

Context is I'm playing Momus, have Hera Demeter Zeus in pool and I want Apollo, and I'm right before Hecate and not sure if I should gamble for Apollo with a mystery boon

[edgy nacelle]

hera’s buff will include gods like hermes who aren’t part of the 4 god pool
also hera’s legendary can give you boons from gods you don’t have, and there are other niche scenarios where you can get a natural 5 god pool (often via mystery boon bags)

[warm matrix]

Hm. What are "not normal" ones then? I didnt choose new keepsakes, for example

[opal pecan]

Besides god keepsakes, you can also break the limit by:

1. using Echo's Boon Boon Boon to pick a god from a previous run that's not in your current pool
2. getting Hera's Legendary
3. getting lucky with boon options in a shop before you've committed to a fourth

[edgy nacelle]

but hera’s boon could have 7 gods easily by getting 4 core gods + hermes athena and dionysus, for instance

[dreamy veldt]

@edgy nacelle in a since you asked way and not a hey answer me way

[warm matrix]

hm, okey

thx

[edgy nacelle]

do you want apollo for leg? why apollo specifically

[dreamy veldt]

Leg yes

[edgy nacelle]

I wouldn’t gamble on a mystery boon giving 1 specific god, but it could give you other good gods
poseidon for ripple effect could be fun for instance, and for geyser spout to combo with ares demeter duo for big ocast

also it could just give you one of your 3 current gods
is this fate’s whim?

cause if it’s fate’s whim and you’re dead set on apollo then ig don’t take it, but keep in mind you may never see apollo all run

[dreamy veldt]

Yes

[devout ermine]

Exceptional Talent duplicates your omega atk and spec doesnt it (but also makes them cost more)

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah I'm worried too much about it

[edgy nacelle]

yup!

[dreamy veldt]

I should just goey with the flowey

[edgy nacelle]

personally I’d probably take it, but I also wouldn’t super mind not getting apollo on a fate’s whim run

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah true ty

[opal pecan]

Peerless phrasing. Superb. Tattooing this on my forehead

[dreamy veldt]

Zeus

[edgy nacelle]

personally if a god doesn’t show up in region 1 I also feel like getting their leg is kind of a chore on fate’s whim, cause even if it is apollo he may just show up once then be gone forever, since no rerolls

[dreamy veldt]

Ty 💜

[edgy nacelle]

ooh zeus. I mean that works

[dreamy veldt]

Epic Zeus special offered

Legendary Zeus special time

[opal pecan]

That's pretty epic

[dreamy veldt]

*heroic

[edgy nacelle]

shimmering would go hard with that
AoE blitz dispenser

[devout ermine]

it is finished

[edgy nacelle]

aaaalso, I think it's time for me to do born to win and get it over with... just going to do low fear so it goes fast, but anyone have an idea for an aspect/general build direction? prob going to be rerolls since there's no benefit to doing FW

[devout ermine]

first 32f rivals4 frenzy 2 underworld clear of mine, with circe

gimme a sec to post in vic

[edgy nacelle]

OOH hell yeah!!! 🔥 ⚡

[digital juniper]

what’s born to win again?

full run with chaos keepsake?

[edgy nacelle]

chaos keepsake all run long, yeah
just never got to it

that and the arachne story achievement are the only ones I'm missing

[digital juniper]

maybe use an aspect that uses omegas a good bit in case you luck into chant

[edgy nacelle]

oooh good call

[devout ermine]

my arms are tingling jesus

[digital juniper]

try to fish for a duo asap so you can have a chance to get it

[warm matrix]

i did it first time i beat the topside last boss 😄

i just forgot about it. Wanted to lvl it up abit till the cyclops and forgot about it 😄

[meager bramble]

When Charon says the cast explodes like a stronger omega cast - does that include all on-omega-cast bonus effect, like Meat Grinder, Prominence Flare, etc?

[digital juniper]

yep, it does

they’re both good synergies with charon

[meager bramble]

Nice!

[digital juniper]

what you really want is geyser spout

[devout ermine]

geyser spout x prominence flare would be rad, no?

[meager bramble]

Alas I am at the Fates' Whim, so we'll just have to see how Uncle P feels today

[digital juniper]

they’re individual things, but yeah, if you’re running charon you’d love both of them

[dreamy veldt]

I'm back, what do we think about Aphrodite on Momus with Zeus Demeter hera

[meager bramble]

We have Ares in the pool already so hopefully Meat Grinder 😄

[edgy nacelle]

the only one which doesn't work is glorious disaster, since that requires channeling more on top of a normal Ωcast
but every other cast related effect works—you can stack arctic gale, local climate, geyser spout, prominence flare, meat grinder, super nova, rousing reception...

[dreamy veldt]

I have Zeus special Demeter cast Hera dash so far

Wait wait wait I get a chance to get all three enemy controlling thingies so I'm taking it

Flutter strike, spiritual affirmation, secret crush, what take (none of them help me get Hera Aphrodite duo)

[devout ermine]

such a rush from finally winning my messed up fear setup at 32

[meager bramble]

I should probably have turned off Denial for the Fates' Whim runs, it's rough

[dreamy veldt]

Mirrored thrasher obtained

[dreamy veldt]

I'm a literal liar

I don't have Apollo so no I can't

[devout ermine]

i need to get a clear with mel coat,,

should i start with zeus for special

[edgy nacelle]

I'd prob prioritize either poseidon or hestia, but also I'd defer to esca here 👀

[opal pecan]

I mean my current PB is Zeus special, I think it's fine and nice

[broken spoke]

Tbf its zeus it gonna work regardless

[opal pecan]

At that point you're just using the special as a Blitz pepperspray

And then you make sure you can get damage out with your attack (via Pos/Hes or whatever)

[edgy nacelle]

also static shock 👀 ⚡

[devout ermine]

just, there are a lot of options and im bad at picking lol

[opal pecan]

You don't have to pick The Perfect Build

That's my real advice tbh

[edgy nacelle]

you can always fate's whim it
I think mel coat is pretty whimable

[dreamy veldt]

Power surge with mirrored thrasher 👀👀👀

[devout ermine]

jpom'd and got a zeus start anyway haha

[opal pecan]

LMAO, it was fate

[devout ermine]

only a common heaven flourish but still, thats setup

directly into a second zeus boon

[opal pecan]

Wishing you a very Shocking Loss

/hasn't memorized any legendary requirements ever

[edgy nacelle]

ehehehe hostile environment momus is fun

[devout ermine]

first artificer became hammer with launcher frame

this is wild

[devout ermine]

my route in this run to it is heaven flourish, double strike, and hoping for static shock

[edgy nacelle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1426118288198602775/1442348571830653089/Screenshot_2025-11-23_at_6.58.06_PM.png?ex=69251b49&is=6923c9c9&hm=f63e30c45737dd508d70c20b6a5787c52d8ebf7da7a3e58be92e73e86cb1833a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1076&height=700
fun chill little run! I assume I just go talk to chaos now

[fierce citrus]

where you using the embryo

from start to end

[edgy nacelle]

yup

oh nvm it says fulfilled as soon as I exit the victory screen

[fierce citrus]

the achievment automatically completes but yea you gotta talk to chaos for dialougue if you want

[edgy nacelle]

oh aw I didn't pin meat grinder... should have
meat grinder + hostile environment momus is fun

[fierce citrus]

i need just 4 more clears with certain aspects then 100 percent the game

[edgy nacelle]

I just need to bring gorgon amulet to arachne and.... maybe more idk how that prophecy ends

[fierce citrus]

then ima go back to hades 1 and finish off the last achievment I need to complete

[edgy nacelle]

speaking of, time to do a funny pikes run rq with athena start, I guess

[fierce citrus]

you have to take it to her twice i think

[opal pecan]

You're thinking of Odysseus' thing

[fierce citrus]

the first time she says shes not ready then second time she takes it

[plucky pendant]

Basically, there's a little bit of dialogue after the fact but you get the achievement once you do that

[opal pecan]

You're thinking of Odysseus and Circe

[fierce citrus]

oh yea

[edgy nacelle]

isn't that odysseus circe? or do they do that gimmick tiwce

[fierce citrus]

dw mixed up

[opal pecan]

Nope, you only need Amulet for Arachne once. But you do gotta talk a lot

[edgy nacelle]

ah ok. then pikes time I guess

[fierce citrus]

but i remember someone else you also had to take it to twice

I cant remember who though circe and someone else

[edgy nacelle]

I'm already at the point where I need to talk to arachne, everyone has agreed to it etc

[broken spoke]

Idk i remember bring gorgon to arachne twice

[plucky pendant]

I'm going back to Hades 1 now and apparently I never got the epilogue. I also forgot just how much they improved Hades 2

[edgy nacelle]

switching to 1.1 made it go MUCH faster since iirc before that athena would only progress that story in olympus

[opal pecan]

Technically Polyphemus is also twice, but it's not that he says anything about being unready, you just do it twice

[edgy nacelle]

and then I switched to 1.1 and she started bringing it up in fields

[fierce citrus]

the epilogue was so peak in hades 1 have fun with it

[fierce citrus]

ohh yea then its that

[devout ermine]

static shock obtained

[opal pecan]

This is gonna be the run 👀

[plucky pendant]

Yeah I did just reset because it's been years since I played. Unfortunately I'm on vacation and I don't have a controller so I'm just using my laptop and the movement is so ass lol

[fierce citrus]

keyboard is peak

if you dont like it you can change the setting so you dash to where your cursor is if you like that more

[plucky pendant]

I can't having to hold W and D to move straight feels so weird

[fierce citrus]

feels like second nature to me lol

[plucky pendant]

I have that setting on but I'm just used to playing these games with controller. I did get to Hades on my 3rd run so I'm not completely ass just feels weird

[fierce citrus]

yea fair whatever your used to

[digital juniper]

did you ever come across chant?

[plucky pendant]

Also the laptop was not meant for gaming and I'm super surprised it's running smooth at all

[edgy nacelle]

no 😔 despite all the duos

[dreamy veldt]

Finished my Momus run with mirrored thrasher

Omega attack was my....4th highest damage

[digital juniper]

unfortunate

[dreamy veldt]

After blitz, allies, chain lightning

[opal pecan]

Does having duos increase chance of chant? :O

[dreamy veldt]

The Typhon fight was so fast though

[plucky pendant]

I thought it was a requirement

[junior trail]

its just a prereq

[dreamy veldt]

A chant?

[opal pecan]

Chaos blessing

But hey the prereq thing is also news to me, as a Did Not Read The Prereqs, so ty 🫡

[edgy nacelle]

and goddess of nightmares obtained 👀
interesting seeing that scene played out after being spoiled on it in the context of 1.0 disappointment...

[opal pecan]

How do you feel about it now 🤔

[edgy nacelle]

complex....-ly

I feel like ppl didn't really talk about the main character beat of arachne's that the scene is about...? and focused more on the narrative's treatment of her and like... her ultimate fate, I suppose
||whereas I actually do genuinely buy that she was like. "actually, looking at Athena, I realize that I've been waiting all these years to have the last laugh, and to let myself be angry." still sad that she doesn't get an uncomplicated happy ending, but I do buy that as closure for her, and idt Mel behaved unkindly to her... Mel being horrified that she talked back to an olympian is very... Mel, somehow. straight A student in shock that a classmate talked back to a teacher||

[opal pecan]

Yes yes yes

[edgy nacelle]

I still have mixed feelings, idt the NPC storylines in h2 are ultimately thaaat compelling to me, but I appreciate the character writing more than I expected to based on how ppl described it

anyway, very #builds and combat of me I know 😌

[silent crow]

am i a compelling character

[austere trail]

I've been saying this for years

[broken spoke]

Years?

[austere trail]

yeah. decades even

but seriously I thought I was going insane when all people would do was say mel was being horrible to arachne

like what are you talking about

[silent crow]

????? what is this what

[austere trail]

people thought that mel was the one who said "be reasonable" to arachne

mass hallucination

[edgy nacelle]

very, but you also aren't an NPC. people can play as you

[edgy nacelle]

||I mean technically........ lol||
||but also even that dialogue is taken out of context, ppl talk abt it as if Mel told Arachne to be reasonable towards Athena...?||

[dreamy veldt]

What is fhis

[silent crow]

are you kidding me 💔 💔

[plucky pendant]

I think it was written to make you understand both sides but I just so drastically side with Arachne more. Mel seems to want to make Athena and Arachne both happy and doesn't really understand why they despise each other. So Arachne rejecting the offer it seemed like she wanted was a bit confusing for Mel. Knowing the story also provided some context for why Arachne was in the right but I don't think mel had that

[junior trail]

all achievements obtained

[dreamy veldt]

Is that a steam thing

[austere trail]

yep!
I think someone spread misinformation and a bunch of people ran with it

[dreamy veldt]

||I think Arachne was 100% in the right but I didn't like the whole thing cause conflict makes me uncomfortable and they didn't fix it, also I like Athena but she was being a jerk for lack of a more colorful term||

[edgy nacelle]

which part? goddess of nightmares?
that's the steam achievement for getting all other achievements

[austere trail]

yeah I do wish we got to see Mel tell off Athena at least

[junior trail]

nah man shes gagged

[dreamy veldt]

||feels like Athena was being totally arrogant and rude in the confrontation about her being arrogant and nothing was learned on her end nor was she punished, so like it's real life but it makes me sad||

[junior trail]

archane slayed so hard her bob wig snatched straight to atmosphere

[austere trail]

the NPC arcs are meant to serve as a moment of realisation for Mel that an age of mortals would be a good thing for everyone

it's just kind of understated

or at least, most people don't realise it

[plucky pendant]

In all reality Athena wasn't being all that bad. She simply wanted a true apology. Now that was never going to happen and Athena knows that but to Mel it seems like a reasonable request. Now Athena was just as arrogant and prideful but that's who Mel knows. It makes no sense to Mel that Athena would have acted another way. At least thats how I saw it play out

[hushed jay]

Quick question about Eos
Does the omega atk summon takes both properties of atk and special together from both gods?
For example apollo + zeus = bigger radius + blitz property?
But yeah, just did a test run with Eos, dps is as busted as Moras when paired with Zeus XD.
Man, torches usually have such an easy run with Zeus. Auto tracking range aoe that does big damage is so nice.

[austere trail]

Prometheus helps her to understand this btw

[hushed jay]

oh wrong quote btw , sorry viggy

[austere trail]

holy balls

[junior trail]

yes, thats eos thing
not both combined tho, daybreaker pulse+contract = o.atk, specials copy = specials

[oblique hazel]

holy balls

[edgy nacelle]

uhhhh kind of?
the daybreaker (big orb) benefits from your attack boon
if you use specials, it will summon its own specials which benefit from your special boon
but if you don't click the special button, the daybreaker orb itself won't trigger the effects of your special

[broken spoke]

Bring back hidden helix eos

[dreamy veldt]

||I think saying Athena was 100% in the wrong would be an understatement - she shouldn't have done it in the first place and then she doubled down - that convo made me wanna root for Prometheus||

[devout ermine]

died in p3

[opal pecan]

NOOO

[dreamy veldt]

||like she can want an apology all she wants, she doesn't deserve one and Arachne is correct for not giving it to her||

[austere trail]

I think by the ending/epilogue most players will have empathised with prometheus

[broken spoke]

Well most player are mortal so...

[devout ermine]

i lost 2 dds in phase 2 because my first one delayed his instakill he decided to throw out near the end of p2

[broken spoke]

Maybe when greek god play the game they will disagree

[plucky pendant]

||She knew that Arachne would never truly be able to apologize. She 100% had every intention of using it as an excuse to show she can't do wrong to Mel. But I think even Athena saw the Truth in what Arachne was saying. And that's why the dialogue you get after the fact from Athena is short and dismissive||

[hushed jay]

Does omega special counts?
Also should I click special AFTER the nightmare is summoned?

[dreamy veldt]

He still confuses me tbh

[edgy nacelle]

yup! omega special counts. in general if a boon says "specials" plural it'll affect both normal and Ω special
the general pattern is Ω attack => Ω special => spam normal specials, on Eos

[junior trail]

playing any torches would need o.special to be 100% online anyway so i'd say yes

[devout ermine]

regardless, you were almost spot on, im just trash

[opal pecan]

You got that far u aint trash

[devout ermine]

but i choked it

[silent crow]

high fear players choke the prometheus memory game its ok

[hushed jay]

That's nice to know!
Some hammer i'm not sure if it works on omega speical or not XD

The tooltip usually just say special/s

[plucky pendant]

Mel torches work really well with just holding down attack. I kinda find it tricky to work it special besides the very start of the fight for origination. (Usually demeter special for the long curse)

[junior trail]

free damage is free damage 🙂‍↕️
well its more of low maintenance lol

[silent crow]

"free" isnt torch ospecial like one of the longest channels

[dreamy veldt]

Well it's free after you pay for it!!

[edgy nacelle]

a certain someone recommended I just hold down attack for 62 fear Mel torch and tbh it's been going well but yeah in general I agree

[dreamy veldt]

I just throw in special depending on how the enemies are oriented

[silent crow]

i feel like you open with special or ospecial and then hold down attack

[dreamy veldt]

If they're like in a cone in front of me I hold attack

[plucky pendant]

And yet people hate on support fire. Tsk tsk.

[dreamy veldt]

If they're like scattered around me then I o special then attack some then special

[silent crow]

every boon is free damage if you think about it

[dreamy veldt]

How can you hate on support fire

[hushed jay]

So far i find torches and ghost flame usually having the easiest runs in general with not much skill input needed

And usually melt bosses in seconds

[silent crow]

this is so refreshing to hear you have no idea

[oblique hazel]

support fire is very expensive damage because you have to give up a real artemis boon for it

[silent crow]

maybe the 50 torch reworks actually did work

[plucky pendant]

Cause it's ass compared to any other boon you can take from her

[edgy nacelle]

support fire is really, really good at being one of the most fun boons in the game, and also one of the weakest ones in terms of damage lmao. I love clicking my funny arrows, they do so little without air quality and even then they're like.... just meh

[hushed jay]

support fire prob not worth taking without zeus' air mastery though :3

[oblique hazel]

i’ve only been playing since unseen and as a new player i found the torches to be the easiest aspect to use too

[plucky pendant]

Much better when artemis was a full God that gave multiple boons and you could take it for the funny without sacrificing too much

[silent crow]

support fire is like that one old friend that is technically still friends with you but you dont talk with them that much anymore because of deep-seated issues and sometimes you get together but every time you hang out you remember why you don't talk to this guy anymore and you wish you hadn't consented in the first place

[proper cloak]

Was support fire good in hades 1

[silent crow]

no

[proper cloak]

I never got good at hades 1 but I did like the funny

[plucky pendant]

Even then. You still have to give up an Artemis boon. (Plus a zues boon)

[proper cloak]

Air quality isn't really "giving up" a boon since aq is good generally on a lot of stuff

[junior trail]

iirc its art legendary prereq so yessss more cast ammo pls
(hunting blades pilled)

[edgy nacelle]

also tbh the fact that artemis doesn't take up core boon slots maks it even harder to justify taking support fire
"oh hm I could give my attacks a chance to crit, but then I'd be giving up privileged status through weak-" nope, lethal snare 👍 have both
(not w aphro in h2, but still, other artemis boons have no opportunity cost at all lol)

[oblique hazel]

i loved support fire in h1 💔

[proper cloak]

I am so glad hades 2 makes casts relevant to more gods. Relying so hard on Artemis showing up often in h1 whenever I wanted cast builds sucked

[opal pecan]

Me when my Hel run has no attack boons into Tartarus and AQ + Support Fire is the only thing keeping the run alive

[edgy nacelle]

I did too tbh, took it a tonnnn on fists and rail
but I think it's just harder to justify when it's your only arty boon for the whole run

[silent crow]

thats basically hel with a 400% attack boon

[edgy nacelle]

see. I do take it on hel
also anubis
because 1. it's fun, and 2. their actual attack isn't doing much damage anyway, so it's like.... pressure points I guess? vital signs? or funny arrows

[oblique hazel]

my favourite weapon was lucifer so i think that was a significant part of my support fire appreciation

[silent crow]

which is still terrible btw dont use hel aspect ever its bad

[plucky pendant]

Really? I thought it was fun every time I've used it

[silent crow]

im lying

its like ok i dont like it

[plucky pendant]

Thank God I thought for a second I just have a love for ass weapons and a deep hate for the good ones

[proper cloak]

All the h1 aspects I liked were just the ones that had strong combos with specific boons. But I think if I factor in the inconsistency the only h1 aspects I really super enjoyed were Zeus and hidden shield, chiron and hidden bow

[opal pecan]

Never let objective rankings get in the way of loving a weapon 💖

[edgy nacelle]

hel is annoying for speedruns (I say, being petty and having a personal vendetta)

[hushed jay]

I find Hades 2 more balanced than Hades 1 even.
There's not a single god that I feel "man, i dont want this, the general kits are just lacking"
All of them shine in some ways than others.
Heck, even Demetor which I kinda dislike picking in H1 , i pick it a lot in H2 now due to how good the cast is. (And very op damage mitigation too)
They give even the defensive gods a lot of atk boost too . (like demetor tied with huge % omega atk)

[silent crow]

hades 1 kind of has awful balance

[proper cloak]

Hades 2 weapons are so good ❤️ 💙 💜 💖 💗 💘 except skull ew

[edgy nacelle]

oh also autofire hel is fun af, whoever told me you can hold down both buttons and it uses special on cooldown ily, that was so fun
heroic blitz attack + static shock + AQ + ares special and heinous affront 🔥

[silent crow]

wait that works

[devout ermine]

how do you do autofire?

[opal pecan]

It's an option in the menu

[edgy nacelle]

enable it in settings
also fun for special spam nyx

[junior trail]

also anubis special spam

[oblique hazel]

i just don’t like hel because it has a fake omega attack and a fake special so you can only play it one way 💔

well special isn’t fake but you can’t build around it

[silent crow]

i think playing with normal speicald and attacks is viable

[junior trail]

i think special ping pong has potential

[hushed jay]

Hel do feel kinda weak to me. Even during Vakirye mode the damage feels lacking
Plus range is kinda ass too
Def the hardest to use Skull for me

[edgy nacelle]

tbh I have more fun ignoring the Ωspecial lately and just playing it like rail in h1 with the "3 shots no reload" hammer

and special to apply a curse

the Ωspecial is very very fun, but also slow and magick hungry

[edgy nacelle]

Hel has a really narrow set of builds, you really want it to be triggering on-hit damage—splash from Poseidon, scorch from Hestia, chain lightning from Zeus's static shock—since the base damage is so low

[broken spoke]

Put hitch on it and call it a day

Ospecial gonna spread on entire room

[silent crow]

i hate weapons with narrow builds

[hushed jay]

Also Hel is competing with Medea and Persephone, which i feel both are op lolz

Like why do i ever want to pick Hel?

[proper cloak]

I think I've heard that scorch damage synergizes super weirdly, can anyone confirm? Like its interaction with stuff like Olympian damage buff boons, air quality

[proper cloak]

It's completely different in terms of playstyle. Every weapon you play for the fun not the strength

[junior trail]

Scorch basically works like this: 16.67 damage x 6 ticks per second = 100 DPS
The 16.67 damage is affected by global damage and Olympian damage increase effects (Scorch can't deal critical damage, and isn't affected by Air Quality, Grievous Blow and Mutual Destruction)
If you add Pyro Technique, you can increase the tick rate to be higher than 6 ticks per second. It also has crazy Pom scaling

[hollow stag]

How is Demeter on Morrigan Knives?

[broken spoke]

It freeze enemy

[cerulean panther]

Weed Killer is probably awesome, but I've never really looked for her specifically when I'm running the Morrigan.

[hushed jay]

i mean if you're not a cast reliant build, always good to have demeter on cast for free cc to have time to do big damage XD
Especially more useful on melee builds too
Plus that omega atk %
I'd always go for Demeter for this weapon.

[junior trail]

its okay ig? tranquil isnt bad with morrigan

[broken spoke]

Morrigan work with anything anyway

[oblique hazel]

morrigan has so much damage out the gate as an aspect that i actually really like demeter on it ngl, demeter has good but not great damage and incredible safety while morrigan has great damage and not alot of safety

[dreamy veldt]

https://x.com/duooftwo/status/1988363090086539444?t=ln8HIVhk8xMwE9aMrEYFsg&s=19

cel 🌻 (@duooftwo)

melinoe when someone mildly implies the gods are terrible to mortals

X · Nov 11, 2025, 9:47 PM

[oblique hazel]

also opens cryo pounder on blast morrigan builds which is cool

[hollow stag]

There's a starting option of Special, Gain, Sprint

[edgy nacelle]

wow this pikes run is not piking
demeter hera poseidon pool, out of rerolls, no weed killer ocean swell or fine line offered 😔

[junior trail]

and the first few comments are ppl call mel has bad writing, twitter never changes 🥀

[edgy nacelle]

oh, hera poseidon trial
that'll do

still no fine line 😒

[indigo badger]

what gods fare well with the aspect of nergal?

[junior trail]

apollo!

[indigo badger]

other than hephastus, for the legendary, i mean

[dreamy veldt]

Well see, you don't read twitter comments, that's rule 1

[devout ermine]

discovering im really bad with than axe

[edgy nacelle]

% stuff generally!
apollo is great, hera and aphro are good

ares can be fun for attack speed spam, if impractical

[indigo badger]

does extra dose applies an extra stack towards the nergal buff?

[edgy nacelle]

theeeer we go, ocean swell from trial, cut above and fine line from pre-sirens shop, up to a 30 cost oatk
just need some channel speed and weed killer and the pikes build is online ✨

[indigo badger]

why percents if may i ask?

the benefits i can see would be double dosage (if it counts towards the strikes needed for the buff)m grisly gain for the attack speed and no other buff comes particularly to mind

[junior trail]

yes, extra dose's double hit counts with berserk gauge
exceptional also doubles the axe's o.attack duration, very handy with psychic

[edgy nacelle]

Nergal attack does high base damage, but has a fairly slow attack speed (like most axes)
that makes it benefit a lot from % based boons, but have less synergy with boons that add flat damage to each hit (such as scorch and splash), which are best on fast weapons with lower base damage

like, splash can be (let's say) 30 flash damage per hit
adding that to a hit that only does 15 or 20 damage at baseline is a very big boost! adding it to nergal which is dealing a lot more damage on its own is less impactful

[indigo badger]

oh, that makes a whole lot more sense then, now i want to try going for both the hephastus and apollo's legenday effects

[indigo badger]

I can see the logic behind it, but it sounds like it would struggle a bit with consistancy in that regard

but there is a very good chance you mean multipliers instead of % based effects

[opal pecan]

Yes, multipliers, not %chance

Stuff like Apollo/Aphrodite/Hera/etc

[edgy nacelle]

oh
I mean % based boons
i.e. attack boons which say "your attacks deal x% more damage"
not boons with a % chance to trigger

[indigo badger]

i was thinking in regard of night, raki and the like, at that point might as well just go thanatos

going full thanatos with the crit chance is hella funny tough

[opal pecan]

It's a pity I hate axe omega attacks so much; such delights are barred from my gates 😔

[silent crow]

you erected those walls yourself

[indigo badger]

Ocast is still valid as a target btw, so you can do shennanigans with that

wonder if things like the fireball cast would also benefit if they are trown as the omega cast

as im not sure if the whole operation counts or not as part of the omega cast

[opal pecan]

Controlled Burn / Ocean Swell / Fine Lines are an effect that get added to your omega move rather than being part of it, in terms of how the damage is tallied, so I would assume it's not affected

[edgy nacelle]

the pikes dream is complete 🔥 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1426118288198602775/1442367161849872585/Screenshot_2025-11-23_at_8.11.57_PM.png?ex=69252c99&is=6923db19&hm=cf820ce2028a4d691d1934683a1ddf6ad0d1ba188282d58eb5884176b18b491d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1076&height=700
or nearly anyway, I still want +3 earth and weed killer
but we're at "every attack is an Ω" levels of channel speed

c.heirloom droplet is sadly just more duration, but hey I'll take it, I'll just take side rooms to snipe those earth boons

[opal pecan]

I reread your comment and actually by that logic, for omega cast stuff, it might count?

[indigo badger]

would assume then than after the cast is done effects would also not count then, like meat grinder would not work either

[silent crow]

i like your massive sudden burst

[opal pecan]

Because I'm pretty sure that Howling Soul damage counts toward your cast

[silent crow]

really puts a righteous pike in me

[junior trail]

nah man where's universal, you've already got hera and ares

[edgy nacelle]

if I get offered visceral I'll take it
but I didn't get fine lines and ares at all until sirens shop

[silent crow]

mm universal mm

[indigo badger]

testing would be troublesome, as its kinda hard to test things like that unless you do a whole lot of tests to bruteforce the expected chance

[edgy nacelle]

(and this is just the "arachne prophecy fun run" lol so not too worried abt it, just vibing)

[opal pecan]

Ever since I turned on Frenzy 2 I have not felt chill vibes in this game 😩

But chitchatting about is is lowkey making me want to open it up again...

[indigo badger]

would love to actually see if i can make glowing coal + fourth degree crit trough night and thanatos, but it really feels like it should not work like that, but there is also the chance that it could

[silent crow]

it most likely doesnt work just use white antler

[indigo badger]

true, but i want to have my cake and eat it too

[edgy nacelle]

lmao well that's a lot of channel speed https://streamable.com/wwqunc

[dreamy veldt]

Omg

[silent crow]

i feel like ocean swell is actively reducing your damage output by a lot

[junior trail]

magick gauge is fighting for its life rn

[indigo badger]

Im so happy im not the only one i had faith and went for the fact that Supay dosent have a cooldown period for when you can use Omegas again, so you can spam them as a magick sink to fuel ocean swell and fine line

I made it work on surface tough

That was the most "brain turned off" run i had in a while

[edgy nacelle]

idc it's funny lmao
(I'd care if this run was remotely hard, but it's just the arachne fun run so. the priority is JUST pikes)

[edgy nacelle]

wait Supay? that was Mel torches

but also fine line ocean swell is insanely fun yes <3

[indigo badger]

wait, is that an universal thing with torches?

[junior trail]

i think dem special is already holding mobs in place?

[edgy nacelle]

Mel and Moros torches are tbh the best for fine lines spam, since you just get constant omega attacks if you hold down the button (with enough channel speed)
Supay is if anything less suited to it

aw boo, no dem in final shop so no weed killer.... ah well

[indigo badger]

I just checked and it works differently, Supay is a way more absurd magick sink, but its not as absurd to actually pull of with the rest of aspects, as the cost is 1/5 of supay

but i went all in for the funny

and that is all that matters

[edgy nacelle]

to get the full experience on mel/moros torches you specifically want channel speed on your attack

[indigo badger]

its always on the 3rd attack or its just the most channer speed you have the faster the hit that is the omega attack comes sooner?

or how does that work?

honeslty havent used torches that much after the rework on how they work

[edgy nacelle]

more channel speed reduces the number of normal attacks between omegas, and can get it to the point where every attack is an omega (and then it just speeds up the whole process)

[junior trail]

wait doesnt supay need to manually hold/release to repeatedly channel

[indigo badger]

yes, yes it does

[edgy nacelle]

so for me right now with the right hammer upgrade + epic racing thoughts I have constant Ωatk by default, and hermes keepsake speeds it up even more
chaos channel speed can also go crazy

[indigo badger]

the only brainpower i had to use that run was to get the timing right

[edgy nacelle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1426118288198602775/1442371536601223218/Screenshot_2025-11-23_at_8.29.24_PM.png?ex=692530ac&is=6923df2c&hm=104ecddb3df57911ad620da9baff6799833e7b779c3132d1e1133918fcd078c6&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1284&height=872
hell yeah pikes

and rip cut above lol

[indigo badger]

honestly that sounds like a good way to get the last of the testaments I have left (torches at 20 against the old man)

[dreamy veldt]

Why

[edgy nacelle]

also, obligatory white antler fine lines propaganda clip: https://streamable.com/zwp70a
sorry to those who have seen before, I just loved this run, I love torches and I love white antler 🙏 🫎

[snow gust]

guys rate my arcana build https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1439433044447465513/1442371955834748938/image.png

[edgy nacelle]

huntress + eternity is confusing...? the rest looks mostly solid to me tho

[junior trail]

ocean swell knockback so enemy sometimes cant get hit by attacks/pike, also it's a bit harder to spread hitch
dem special is good though beacuse freeze hold enemy in place

[dreamy veldt]

Gotcha

[edgy nacelle]

but huntress only buffs non-omega attacks
and eternity only helps with omega attacks
so that bit seems kind of antisynergistic

[snow gust]

hmmmmm what would u suggest

[edgy nacelle]

kinda depends which weapon you're playing...? like, you could drop huntress and grab furies
but you could also drop eternity and grab either lovers, or furies (or night!) + a 1 cost of your choice

depends how much of your damage is coming from omega vs normal moves

[dreamy veldt]

I'm 7/2 with Charon and Nergal, which should I play rn

[edgy nacelle]

furies is also very good since it's universal damage buff, and will buff olympian damage like blitz, scorch etc

[junior trail]

swift runner is really useful

[silent crow]

seems decent

[dreamy veldt]

7 being runs played 2 being wins

[snow gust]

i dont use my omega much but i do prime it often, that also triggers huntress right

[silent crow]

no

[edgy nacelle]

nope
you need magick missing (primed does not count), so use one omega at the start of the room if you want to proc huntress

[snow gust]

i really wanna get rid of the charon card and use excellence instead ngl

[manic shuttle]

the messenger is goated

[edgy nacelle]

excellence is.......... fairly bad, tbh
if you're using rerolls I'd keep boatman, +2 boons from shops and +rerolls is really good

[snow gust]

i dont use omega often so i kinda need the moon if i get selene?

[edgy nacelle]

personally if I'm not using magick I tend to just not take hexes tbhhh
I like hexes! but the moon alone charges them pretty slowly, and idt it's worth taking eternity just to slowly charge hexes. ik some people do tho

but then again, I like magick heavy weapons a lot 🤷

[junior trail]

eternity and night are situational so you wont see the moon active so often ig

[snow gust]

i can take night tho cant i

[indigo badger]

the real problem with moon as an arcana is that its insanley easy for it to get outclassed by your first path of stars

[edgy nacelle]

you can, but I wouldn't take it just to turn the Moon on, I'd take huntress or furies if I'm not using magick

[snow gust]

hmm oki

[edgy nacelle]

also yeah, you can just take the autocharging upgrade from a path of stars
between that and 1 omega per room to turn Huntress on, your hex should charge up decently

[manic shuttle]

don't they stack

[indigo badger]

so its not that worth to go out of your way to get, as the requirements are not that good in all honeslty

[edgy nacelle]

so for you I'd prob drop eternity, and either take lovers for safety vs bosses or take furies + runner or messenger for damage

[edgy nacelle]

they do yeah

[indigo badger]

they do

[junior trail]

tbh id drop wayward son/huntress for furies/swift runner

[edgy nacelle]

also eventually you unlock 6 loadouts for arcana, so you can have a more magick focused loadout 🤷 I just dislike clicking night/eternity on non-magick builds, other arcana are rly good

(I also don't use huntress all that often tbh tho, at least if I'm using rerolls. I love furies)

[snow gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/818341030314377236/1442374060981096529/image.png how about now

[junior trail]

no sorceress?

[edgy nacelle]

tbh if you're not using magick and also not using huntress, no sorceress isn't the worst

looks fine to me

[snow gust]

either sorceress or swift

[junior trail]

yeah fair ig

[hushed jay]

Getting 2 right hammers on Momus feels so op lolz
Got the cross shape omega atk and attacks x2 times hammer
I want to thx the guy who mentioned that the s means it applies to both normal and omega .
I was skipping on one of the best hammers out there lolz (thought it didn't apply to omega)

[snow gust]

whats the best form for each weapon

[edgy nacelle]

staff: circe or mel
blades: morrigan or mel
torch: moros or eos
axe: charon
skull: medea
coat: nyx

the context kinda changes things, i.e. weapons can be great for speedrunning, high fear, or general mid-to-low fear play and less good in other categories

[junior trail]

mel blades?

[edgy nacelle]

for high fear they go hard

[junior trail]

ehhhh...

[sinful marlin]

Don't underestimate mel blades bruh

[opal pecan]

Backstab 🔪

[edgy nacelle]

I'm not a mel blades believer but I've been argued mel blades by a lot of ppl who clear 62 more often than I do lol

regardless, I think they're easily second place 🤷

[sinful marlin]

Yuppp

[edgy nacelle]

overall I'd personally say Morrigan sweeps, but I think you can make a genuine argument for Mel blades, which you can't rly do for some other aspects

[junior trail]

well unless its not dancing knives, mel blades is good ig

(or dancing with hitch/blitz+thermal and static)

[edgy nacelle]

I think it's mainly a consideration at high fear, for just lots of innate damage% + no reliance on magick, and the ability to play special spam for safety if needed

but I have yet to try any blades above 40, so I'll see how I feel once I do lol

[junior trail]

i dont really like the way how theorycraft with mel blades and be like wait hold on its actually pretty good lol

[snow gust]

so i saw a post of someone saying that some people think that ares is one of the weakest but i really love the zooz ares duo, can someone help me figure out how to do the zooz ares build properly

[edgy nacelle]

zeus ares duo is imo (not literally) secretly a trio boon with apollo
grab light smite and it melts rooms

[snow gust]

ye thats what i build towards, who should i put on atk and special tho

[sinful marlin]

Depends on the aspect

[edgy nacelle]

ares has to be on either attack or special for the duo to work
zeus on the other is often really good since blitz is op
but the specifics depend on the weapon more than the duo

[devout ermine]

im hopping back on h2 and wondering how i should start morrigan since i wanna grind my 32f with it

like arcana too

[edgy nacelle]

tbh I usually fate's whim with morrigan, it's p flexible

[sinful marlin]

Yup I fates whim with every weapon lol

[edgy nacelle]

hmmm. idk if I'm feeling the stabbing rush propaganda
prob the best option from this specific god pool tho, I'll give it that (and it opened up arterial, I just chose king tide over it) https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1426118288198602775/1442382149448761386/Screenshot_2025-11-23_at_9.11.25_PM.png?ex=69253a8e&is=6923e90e&hm=d82e60b93294115ef345cd2b13d26a09963c66531257a71a0840a10ff29c4b07&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1076&height=700

sub-10 mel coat done
crazy how the skulls were all sub-8 and then everything else is in the 8-9 range lol

[dreamy veldt]

I'm 7/2 with Charon and Nergal, which should I play rn

[edgy nacelle]

charon

imo, I say unbiased

[sinful marlin]

It's actively bad 😭

[edgy nacelle]

sand is a big stabbing rush believer and I so badly want to see the vision

100 damage on that run with fate's whim, and I was dash strike spamming, and it was... I mean it was okay! it was definitely okay
(I've also gotten ~45k out of passion rush tho, which was admittedly with more vows on but still)

[tacit mason]

Any advice on what to build for Anubis?

[edgy nacelle]

start with hestia, poseidon, or zeus on attack; static shock is always great
avoid spamming attacks, lay down your attack + Ωattack fields then focus on other sources of damage
% and/or a good curse on special
for speedrunning specifically you prioritize Ωspecial, for high fear and general play focus on your attacks and on-hit damage

[dreamy veldt]

Wanna take this clear three encounters in 120s thingy from Chaos

But I go immediately into Hecate (0f)

[spiral wadi]

trust

eat a dd for it

[dreamy veldt]

I'm on strength

I did get armor though, so as long as I don't lose it I won't die

[spiral wadi]

ye could just camp hecate for 2 minutes

unless ur on high fear w timer

[dreamy veldt]

Oh I didn't think about that

I just beat her and have like 25s left

So I'll just camp at the next thingy

[devout ermine]

currently doingg a jpom morrigan, got apollo pos dem and aph and having a lovely time thus far

apollo attack, poseidon special, arctic ring, blinding rush, glamour gain, and i havent popped a dd yet (at scylla)

died to scylla because of chaos curse priming my mana

i hate it here

[dreamy veldt]

Took chaos gate

First one gives me double chance for resources which literally mean nothing

Third one gives me a dd while I'm on strength

Second one damages me when I attack for 5 encounters while I'm playing axe

[junior trail]

1 hp gang 🔥

[flint widget]

take second one, just don't get hit

[broken spoke]

Take dd, just die

Jk that is like taking gatherings

[opaque holly]

How do you use metallic droplet? 300s wasn’t even enough to get me through rivals chronos

It doesn’t pause in story rooms or shops

And this was on a juiced up Charon build with 4x omega specials and geyser spout. Was getting two explosions per omega and clearing the room with each one

[dreamy veldt]

I wish it gave you an on screen timer

Same with the Chaos curse

[whole charm]

what are the best artemis boons in yall's opinion

[flint widget]

pressure points, vital signs and killing stroke in no particular order

[dreamy veldt]

Oh my god

[dreamy veldt]

I took this being like yeah I can make this work

My very next encounter is Scylla

[opal pecan]

300s is essentially a stricter Time 3, isn't it?

[flint widget]

just speedrun ez game

[opal pecan]

How heavily do people playing at high Fear levels rely on the spillover buffer from previous zones w/r/t Time 3? /curious

[flint widget]

it only matters if it's like a time slog region for example like olympus

olympus at high fear is a nightmare to get through on max timer

[junior trail]

+shadow pounce, a bit situational but very handy with certain aspects (like morrigan, charon, anubis, artemis)

[flint widget]

but tbh other than than it doesn't really matter

the spillover also works as safety for long ass encounters if u get some

[dreamy veldt]

So I have 25% sprint speed from chaos

But it feels like 125% or something

I've never been this fast

[opal pecan]

Well, +25% is 125% of the original ;P

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah you know what I mean lol

[opal pecan]

Now you just need Apollo sprint

UNCONTROLLABLE speed

[junior trail]

also plasma

[opal pecan]

I had Bridal Glow hit Apollo sprint once and I had to purge that thing ASAP because I simply could not with it lol

[dreamy veldt]

PLASMA

[opal pecan]

OH BOI

[dreamy veldt]

That's what it is

[opal pecan]

Oh you already had plasma lol okay that makes sense

[dreamy veldt]

Oh nvm, I do have the ability to acquire plasma currently, and I also have +60% success rate, and when you said that I thought ohhhh that's why I'm so fast, turns out I don't have any plasma right now zo

[edgy nacelle]

my last mel coat run had nitro boost + sanguinary savor lol and it…. sure was something

[dreamy veldt]

Lol I have a 90% chance for plasma now

[opal pecan]

Bro I'd be running into every single trap and AOE between here and Elysium

[edgy nacelle]

wait, from which boon? which one gets that high, surely not grisly

[dreamy veldt]

Just got 40% double strike

[dreamy veldt]

Profuse bleeding with success rate

Double lightning at all times poggers

[edgy nacelle]

oooh I so rarely take profuse bleeding as my source of plasma lol, didn’t realize the base chance was that high

[dreamy veldt]

Wait omg if I get that Ares boon with chance to do double damage

[edgy nacelle]

wait it’s only 25% chance of plasma at heroic can you send a screenshot, how did it get to 90

[dreamy veldt]

Ok I might not get a chance

I went to my boons to check the name right

And I didn't pause

[edgy nacelle]

ah

[dreamy veldt]

And I am in fields

So now I have 20hp with no dd

[edgy nacelle]

💀

[dreamy veldt]

I hate those stupid balls bro

I'm gonna be so mad if I lose this

[opal pecan]

dfkdf that's even worse than the times I accidentally hit B in the middle of a fight

[dreamy veldt]

I'm assuming that's a keyboard thing, what does b do

[opal pecan]

Boons

[dreamy veldt]

Oh lol

[edgy nacelle]

when they spawn in tiny oceanus rooms I see red
vow of menace smh

[dreamy veldt]

💀

God this is gonna be the most frustrating loss ever if I lose

Ok got healing

[edgy nacelle]

phew thank god

[dreamy veldt]

Well hey, I've taken enough damage for fleece now!

Blessing in disguise

[edgy nacelle]

ooookay, time for some more runs of my own I think...
idt I can get 62 all weapons before my birthday, but I can prob squeeze out one more win if I try

[opal pecan]

When's that? (ish)

[edgy nacelle]

uhh. how do I answer this in ish format... is that incriminating information

"my birthday is the same day I hid the body-" I mean what who said anything about a body

[opal pecan]

You don't have to lol was just-- LOL

[edgy nacelle]

it's on the 25th "ish" lol

[manic shuttle]

vital signs numero uno

[opal pecan]

Ahh, a matter of days rather than weeks, hence the one more only. Well, good luck 🫡

[edgy nacelle]

yesss lol it's basically tonight or tomorrow night for me so
may not get another. either way, will try

[dreamy veldt]

I have 340 magick and 345 hp

I genuinely don't know why my magick is so high

Ok so I think success rate doesn't work like I thought it did

[opal pecan]

It's multiplicative (no plus sign)

[dreamy veldt]

Ohhhh ok whoops

[edgy nacelle]

yeah, additive success rate would be..... very funny

pressure points going from 3% universal crit to like 43% 💀

[broken spoke]

Mutual destruction getting 40% crit per 1 hp lost

[flint widget]

does silver wheel when u unequip it still get the +100 magick

[junior trail]

yes

[flint widget]

ok ez take

[edgy nacelle]

yeah it's great, it's just the born gain/hubris run saver

[junior trail]

born, tranquil and ionic go brrr

[gloomy pivot]

Best build for aspect of thanatos for chronos, please make it super easy

[flint widget]

that shouldve been hermes legendary tbh instead of paid dues

makes it so that it added +30% on everything chance related except daze and dodge

ez game

[upbeat matrix]

It would be so hard to get then T.T , paid dues as it is rarely appears

[flint widget]

well at least its worth the small chance that it appears

paid dues is so eh but additive success rate is like so op that its worth the small chance

[hushed jay]

Morrigon blade harder to master though .
Got wiped by some armour enemies perk in later stages, especially tough monsters of surface stage 3 and 4 hordes (minibosses are generally easier to clear though)
Then I tried Mel build , got the 300% damage final atk hammer, smooth run spamming atk and occasional special XD. And ofc the infamous dash 3 special hammer.

[edgy nacelle]

yeah, morrigan is harder to master for sure
that said, the hammer upgrade you talked about works really well on morrigan too, and makes it simpler to play since you just get to spam dash attack into attack—Morrigan is only a 2-hit combo, so you get the 300% bonus every other attack, and it has bigger baseline AoE

[hushed jay]

dash 3 special offered by Morrigon too?
For some reason it never shows up on me XD

[edgy nacelle]

it's offered, yes! if you've unlocked "insight into offerings" you can go to the blades page in the codex, and view all the hammer upgrades with notes on which aspects (if any) they don't work with

phew finally a good sirens, that fight has been going sooo badly tonight

idk if I'll pull through vs gramps, but I'll at least try. timer is awful but. eh

[junior trail]

trick knives only shows up on mel blades, art blades and pan sadly
would've been great with morrigan though

[upbeat matrix]

would have broken morrigan tbh she would never need to manually use special anymore

[junior trail]

yeah that'd be bonkers

[broken spoke]

Trick knife being broken, news at 11

[edgy nacelle]

hmmm. 5:29 into tartarus is scary but I don't have enough defensive tools to justify antler....
idk if it's worth dropping pin to go with fang or something 🙃

idk, maybe the damage is there and I don't need to worry
but if it isn't then timer damage vs gramps is..... not ideal

[hushed jay]

Knew it

[edgy nacelle]

FOURTH 62 DOWN BAYBEEEEEEE

40 seconds overtime taking timer damage 😭 BUT DID IT

[oblique hazel]

congratsss

[broken spoke]

Should antler

[flint widget]

nice one

[edgy nacelle]

scorch was doing a large part of my damage in tartarus! so I think in this case antler wouldn't have been the move

• I got healing from pin 3 rooms in a row lmaooo so it carried for sure

[oblique hazel]

think of the scorch crits though 👀

[edgy nacelle]

lmao

[flint widget]

scorch doesnt crit man

[edgy nacelle]

I assume that was the joke
and if it wasn't a joke then. ^

[oblique hazel]

it was a joke yeah lol

[edgy nacelle]

oh wow, yeah, scorch #1 damage dealer even tho I got pyro technique in the tart final shop

[oblique hazel]

anyways how on gods green earth do you play medea without taking a billion damage this sucks

[vernal quiver]

Uhhh kill everything in half a second or be hyperaware of everything at the same time

[edgy nacelle]

lmao right...... god
I love it sm for low fear stuff (as of like a week ago) but I tried it once on a whim for 62 and lost a DD before hecate

[junior trail]

zip that thang before it zaps you

[flint widget]

ok easiest 50 fear medea of my entire existence

20 dmg chronos ez

[oblique hazel]

this is a personal attack on me

[vernal quiver]

Lmao yeah boutta say crazy timing

[oblique hazel]

im doing 50 fear exactly too

[flint widget]

im a medea specialist

[vernal quiver]

Also checkmate im getting ever so slightly more consistent at 67f 😌 made it to oceanus on a run earlier today

[broken spoke]

That's progress

[flint widget]

max frenzy also

[vernal quiver]

Mhm :D if I can get past hecate I can get to chronos ez

[flint widget]

i expect victory screen by next week

[vernal quiver]

Just wait for the god start ong ong

[broken spoke]

Muh scylla tho

[vernal quiver]

I think that run i got shimmering, hera special, and Zeus cast so solid start but I can tell im getting a little cleaner

[oblique hazel]

the thermal dynamics romantic spark kings ransom run is right there you just have to keep going

[vernal quiver]

TRUUUE

[flint widget]

just hit dual moonshot start hera special in erebus trust

[vernal quiver]

The ares/Zeus duo 67f run when supergiant give it to me

[flint widget]

hit blinding rush for free dodge and hot pot and evade x3 ez game

[oblique hazel]

the monkeys paw curls. heinous affront with no apollo

[silent crow]

that aint even that bad

[oblique hazel]

no divine vengeance either it got denialed

only visceral impact

[broken spoke]

Why tf you picking that duo then

[junior trail]

okay but visceral is pog tho

[flint widget]

no victory screen = no sesbian lex with nemesis

[vernal quiver]

I still need to romance nem actually ty for reminding me

[edgy nacelle]

oh god hm. eos being done means it's skulls/blades time, aka the weapon types I kinda suck at......

[flint widget]

MEDEA

[vernal quiver]

So medea and trick knives 😌

[edgy nacelle]

skulls have been going well for speeds, but that's speeds, at 62 idt I can just luck into p.array and delete the entire screen

medea 62..... y'all want me to die fr huh

[broken spoke]

High roll mom skull

[junior trail]

art sweeping trust

[flint widget]

bro its the first skull i did 62

other skulls suck ass except persephone

[broken spoke]

+8 epic heph atk start

[edgy nacelle]

I sucked at medea and disliked it until like a week ago 💀
at this point I'm okay at best

[flint widget]

im so medea pilled that i play the non hidden skulls like medea 💀

[edgy nacelle]

I mean hey playing persephone like medea makes sense, esp with p.array but even without

lately I play mel skulls like... idk, medea with fewer specials

actually let me check how many times I've played medea, it used to be 4 total on this save lmao

lmao https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1426118288198602775/1442450937938710590/Screenshot_2025-11-24_at_1.44.54_AM.png?ex=69257a9f&is=6924291f&hm=3d9d7749d227458d221e3eff833fd923eafdc375100a2c8ba7aaa3cc30d692cc&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1100&height=458

[vernal quiver]

Yeah 11 is plenty

[edgy nacelle]

also these stats are so weird. Selene and Nergal have a lot more uses even tho I don't rly like them since they took multiple attempts to reach my goals w

mel coat being last place is also sad, that doesn't reflect my tastes smh

I will try medea for 62 but I fully expect to skill issue into my grave repeatedly idk

hm ok, for UW medea 62 (since I’ll try it lol, why not)
FW + the usual huntress + boatman UW arcana set? I assume?

anything of note that changes at 62 vs speeds other than “don’t take damage to save time” lol?

[flint widget]

yeah

medea is like the ultimate hit and run aspect

so when u see an opportunity hit and scram when ur opponents attack

also literally anything can work with medea

[oblique hazel]

its so over for this medea run 💔 only 8 minutes for chronos and 3 dds 💔

[flint widget]

just look at what foolish had on his ea 67 clear

[oblique hazel]

if i lose this somehow ill be so mad

[flint widget]

rip

[oblique hazel]

ive never been so livid in my entire life im going to scream

[edgy nacelle]

hmm hmm ok.
I'll try to play it more hit and run and less "hit and hit" which is what I do for speeds lmao

so, time to take a sleeping pill then see if I can clear before it kicks in lmao

[oblique hazel]

i had 2 second heph blasts with furnace blast + grand caldera + chain reaction and smolder ring on howling soul

and somehow i managed to throw????????

im gonna walk into the woods and never return i genuinely cannot believe i did that

[flint widget]

generational fumble

next run you'll damageless chronos oml

[oblique hazel]

wasnt even close either i lost my last dd in the middle of p2

flawless hecate and sirens into the most botched chronos fight ive ever done im genuinely so mad at myself

[flint widget]

also quick thing i learned from foolish, if u get an on hit attack like waves or scorch volatile array doubles that since it hits twice

actually useful info from foolish

[edgy nacelle]

ooooh good to know (hestia room 2 lmao)

hm. flame flourish cardio gain smolder ring. kinda..... iffy. common ring ig

[flint widget]

cardio gain possessed array tho

it's decent

[edgy nacelle]

if I get p.array I'd kinda rather a diff gain...? idk. if you were me would you take 8 magick regen from common cardio or just go smolder for like

idk. zeus special thermal dynamics + aoe wards clear

[flint widget]

ok fair enough

[edgy nacelle]

god this run is not giving me good boons

blood spree cut above or grisly gain huh 💀

@flint widget what would you pick lol

I might just reset, I wanna do a fun failed medea attempt before bed smh

ig ares in the pool isn't the worst, but ehhh

[broken spoke]

Cut above p.array (idk is that even work) tho

[edgy nacelle]

cut above p.array does work!

which is kinda what I'm considering since blood spree + scars = nothing
and grisly is just... not enough magick for p.array, too much of huntress

eh I'll take it, sorry checkmate if you would have gone w something else 🫡

[junior trail]

plasma skull leesggggooo

[edgy nacelle]

does plasma do anything on medea other than move speed...?

[junior trail]

attack and special speed
also channeling speed so o.attack charges faster

[edgy nacelle]

does that attack speed part do anything on medea...? or just special

[junior trail]

maybe special, cuz attack animation constantly gets cancelled
i mean there's even the special speed increase hammer so im sure plasma is doing something

[edgy nacelle]

ok I did reset, not a fun run and I want to have fun since I'm bad on this weapon...

[junior trail]

sadge

[flint widget]

sad

medea is my all time goat

[edgy nacelle]

I'm going to do a medea run
I just wanted an actual attack or special boon by the end of erebus thanks

instead of like. smolder ring + cut above + visceral impact

and some soul tonics from artificer because of course

[flint widget]

typical 62f experience

run surface instead

[edgy nacelle]

oh I 100% plan to
but 1 aspect every weapon UW first

[flint widget]

im so close to 1 aspect every wep uw but i have skill issue with coat

game doesn't wanna give me shimmering and on hit special

[edgy nacelle]

simply take exphammer in oceanus and get shimmering worked for me

[flint widget]

im currently doing some nyx practice on 50 fear but my luck is about the same

instead of scorch game gave me wave special and my orig and solely tied to my cast

oh yeah shimmering first hammer also

[edgy nacelle]

oof... altho wave special isn't bad, I had some very good runs w it

hmm. medea is fun I just take So Much Damage

[flint widget]

just don't take dmg 💯

[oblique hazel]

back to chronos with a goated build
do i take the heph boon at end shop (im into chain reaction and heph legendary but if i dont hit either im forced to swap my blitz special lmao)

[edgy nacelle]

I wouldn't risk the swap ngl

losing blitz is rough
altho depends on weapon

[oblique hazel]

thanks for being the voice of reason i really wanted to but it was undeniably stupid

its medea i have thermal dynamics and double strike

[flint widget]

bro ur fine

[oblique hazel]

if i lost the gamble i lost the run

[rare brook]

Go for Zeus legendary

[flint widget]

if u lose this run with blitz thermal d double strike

[oblique hazel]

im blaming you for jinxing the run

i guess ive narrowed down my specific issue. cannot survive for 30 seconds on medea in chronos p2

[spark crown]

bro my hyper fixation cycled out of hades T_T (itll be back within a week)

[edgy nacelle]

gah rip.....
also hiiii metal

[oblique hazel]

p3 is fine p1 is mostly fine

[spark crown]

hiiiii

[oblique hazel]

i think im improving at medea though ngl, not in a fun way but hopefully itll be over somewhat sooner

[oblique hazel]

lwk i would have won if i took the heph boon gamble so im actually blaming you now premium service would have made a difference somehow i guess maybe

[edgy nacelle]

LMAO

absolutely so true

[oblique hazel]

nevermind im happy i didnt clear today because my recording software decided it didnt want to work

[edgy nacelle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1426118288198602775/1442477350200672317/Screenshot_2025-11-24_at_3.29.47_AM.png?ex=69259338&is=692441b8&hm=23c6a8e42e6392a61e0b3469d1948a24a10ad7d3e1335965256fd7d388bb36bf&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1076&height=700

chat what's the move here........ g.amulet and die on purpose for renewed faith gamba?
tooth? pin?
....screw it take antler?

[austere trail]

screw it and take antler

[edgy nacelle]

[austere trail]

good luck!

[silent crow]

evasion carry ez

[edgy nacelle]

died </3

but crazy room clear at least lmao

skull clear is going to be Hel tho lmao

turns out it's safe as hell at high fear, just reset to get a usable attack boon in erebus then it's kinda free
if echo gave me survive that could have been first try tbqh

[flint widget]

no medea

[silent crow]

medea players,..

[drifting current]

What's everyone's thoughts on Air Quality? I had some build ideas that could make that interesting. It centers around that, knives, and Hitch curses (don't know for sure if Air Quality applies to Hitch effects, but I tried it once and it seemed to work that way)

[silent crow]

AQ is good with static shock and demeter gusts and thats it

[flint widget]

did u forget hel

[drifting current]

Don't have Hel Aspect yet, so I don't know how it works

[junior trail]

also reckless

[glass bone]

True, but also like.. Reckless itself is kinda… not great imo

[manic shuttle]

also support fire and rush boons like heat rush,

[flint widget]

the root stalker in p1 chronos just attacked me without doing its attack animation

bro just stood there and removed a gale block

im pissed

and thats 50f all weapons underworld done

[upbeat matrix]

Oo dividing blaze works with scorch......that's nuts actually

[rough whale]

For OP builds/easy wins, staff aspect of Circe w Raki, Demeter cast, Apollo gain, WINNER’S CIRCLE (v important), meat grinder, prominence flair and any other boon affecting casts like Hostile Environment wins every run for me like I’m sleeping. If you can get a good Chaos cast buff or Artemis’ Lethal Snare, it’s even better. If you can get common Winner’s Circle and avoid any other common boons for the first zone, you can use the Phial to get it to Heroic. Might start adding fear bc it’s not even a challenge anymore.

[flint widget]

use a different build then

ez as that

[warm matrix]

does Herpes count in a god pool or it is a separate one?

[glass bone]

No, Hermes is a separate pool

[warm matrix]

ok thx

[flint widget]

herpes? i didnt know stds were in hades 2

[spark crown]

I mean Mel does get around

[flint widget]

true, being bi does help with that

[fiery kraken]

how does the combo arcana card work?

is there a time delay?

I notice sometimes i see a skull as I omega, I assume that's an indication that it's part of the combo?

Do I need to transition directly from one omega to another? can I do things in between (drop cast, reposition with a dash, do an attack to start charging omega?)

does the combo apply continuously to something that repeats the omega (supay, and there's another that copies omegas repeated)

[warm matrix]

i can't believe that im doing it but ima skipping the hermes legendary

i have zero gold boons 🙁

ah F it, ima taking it 😄

[opal pecan]

You should be able to test this in the Training Grounds fwiw (the skull does act as the indicator)

[dense tinsel]

Hi, for the staff's aspect of momus, does the omega move also copy the attacks of boons? Like ocean swell for example?

[opal pecan]

Ocean Swell and other similarly worded boons will activate when you "use" the omega move, so it's based on your input, not the repeat fire.

[dense tinsel]

Ah okay, thanks!

[lone quartz]

ok im going into the summit with 4dd and a decent enough build

this has to be the run, right?

[opal pecan]

You can do it!

[lone quartz]

Nvm i have to go

TOMORROW IS THE DAY!!

[opaque holly]

I struggle with not getting hit so Thanatos is a bit of a challenge for me. Is it still worth using? Does the attack speed boost affect omega attack tick rate somehow?

[surreal hazel]

The attack speed boost is the main draw of the weapon

It's insanely good

[opal pecan]

No, it's only for the normal attack (notice how it's Attack, singular, no -s). But it's okay to get hit. Getting hit doesn't take away the attack speed bonus, which as Plasma says is the main thing about it.

The crit OTOH only applies to your omega moves.

[plucky pendant]

I wonder how good an omega special build is since you have range

[tawny imp]

currently have blade rift gust on cast and dash storm ring

zeus give me air quality and my life is yours

Zeus you bum I hate you

[opaque holly]

Oh I see

Okay makes sense. What’s the best way to run it? Just apollo or aphro attack spam?

[opal pecan]

IIRC the ~optimal~ thing is to gamble for Psychic Whirlwind and omega attack spam, but attack spam works just fine for the purposes of having a good time

[opaque holly]

Okay cool

Spin 2 win

I play max hordes max grit so I need the damage and AOE

I’ve been almost exclusively Charon because oh my god wtf it’s so strong

Giga cleaver exceptional talent lets you double proc the explosions

It’s so stupid lol

[umbral brook]

Any advice for Shiva builds?

[uneven palm]

Put Apollo on attack and punch whole rooms

[oblique hazel]

you want just about every apollo boon in the game afaik

[opaque holly]

What’s the usual fate whim order? I’ve been doing Pom, Time Piece, then something random, then Moros pin typically

I haven’t tried calling card

[umbral brook]

Worked just like a charm. Thanks for the tip on Apollo y'all

[opal pecan]

It completely depends on what you're trying to do! I think Pom start is the only thing that doesn't change.

[dreamy veldt]

Join the card start army

[opaque holly]

No way

3 poms hits so hard

Functionally similar to heroic on many boons, but applies to everything and not just 2-4 boons

[dreamy veldt]

Three poms?

Oh like levels

[opaque holly]

Yeah

Like on Poseidon that’s +15 damage per wave

You get +5 per rarity usually

[dreamy veldt]

I would definitely be open to changing if there's some sort of like comparison

[opaque holly]

I haven’t done the math but Pom seems like it should give a much broader benefit

[glass bone]

For “High Fear” (50+), yeah this is pretty accurate, though the second region’s keepsake can vary also (Time Piece, Fig Leaf, Hammer, Moonbeam, etc.)

[dreamy veldt]

But it also just feels bad to get common for me

[opaque holly]

Common level 4 is probs similar to epic level 1 lol

And you have a chance at epic level 4 which is usually better than Heroic lv1

[opal pecan]

I recently tried doing the speedrun stuff with god keepsakes etc. instead of jpom start and the level 1 boons definitely felt bad after hundreds of nights of jpom lol

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah like Im not saying you're wrong but I just don't know

[glass bone]

Ok here’s an example. JPom Blitz Attack common off the top of my head is 130 damage. That is above Rare Blitz Level 0 but below Epic Blitz Level 0

[opal pecan]

Pyro Technique level one is only +50% scorch rate! Wild!!!!!!

By the time I see it with jpom it's usually something like +170% or something at minimum

[sturdy escarp]

OH MY GODS?! I was on the last run before true ending (mind you I did the return to real possibility, so i already did this in 1.0) and I dispatched Chronos easily, but then...

IT FORCED THE THIRD PHASE?! OF WHICH I HAVE NEVER ATTAINED?! And then it gives me an unlimited Death Defiance!!! SO. COOL!!!!!

[glass bone]

Now the real silly thing is when you do Tier 2’s or use Proper Upbringing. Double Strike Common JPom is the same as Double Strike Epic. Then if you rarify all your boons with Hera, that jumps up like 3+ Poms in strength.

[sturdy escarp]

Louis Cole... so peak

[dreamy veldt]

So in this case I would rather just rarify it

[glass bone]

But see here’s the thing. JPom is around the effect of a rarify, for ALL boons (ignoring god keepsake in later regions and also non-pommable)

And most of the best combos in the game combines several pommable boons at once (Heph Blasts, Blitz, and Scorch being the best “Weapon Agnostic Boon Stacking strategies”)

So far, every single one of my post 1.0 clears have started JPom (including 23 unique Surface 62 clears)

[dreamy veldt]

I mean, yeah I know everyone starts pom

But that's not an argument for me, I just would rather have a few really strong boons than a bunch of pretty strong boons, and again I'm not saying that card makes that happen just that I don't know the math

Or not even math I guess but like the individual effects?

Since unfortunately they're all different

[opal pecan]

I mean the math would be that you get the some number of rarifies no matter when you equip card, whereas the earlier you equip jpom, the more bang you get for your buck

[dreamy veldt]

That's not what I mean

I wanna see like how strong a level 1-4 common Zeus attack is vs rare vs epic vs heroic

[signal coral]

Different for each boon

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah that's the problem

[signal coral]

Its a separate hard coded number for rarity and pom scaling for each boon

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah ik

[signal coral]

On average though I would say that the first pom is typically +1 rarity and then the second and third poms combined is another +1 rarity

But it differs a lot based on the boon

[dreamy veldt]

Right

[signal coral]

So base level to +4 is about as good as going from common to epic

[dreamy veldt]

Sometimes

[opal pecan]

I know Heph is known for needing rarity, and Apollo also benefits; are there any specific boons which are known for having the biggest amount of scaling from either rarity or levels?

[dreamy veldt]

I just wish there was like a way to check

Cause like I care more about core boons than others

I'm also a sucker for Hermes boons which pom does nothing for

[signal coral]

If only some super smart and handsome user had found that information

https://www.reddit.com/gallery/1old1kc

[dreamy veldt]

Omg I love you

How did you even do ot

[signal coral]

Literally just in game testing with mods

[glass bone]

I feel like it would be the on-hit gods that get the most benefit, and Hera. Zeus and Poseidon because they get Power boosts that scale great with % boosts such as Origination, Hestia because of Pyro Technique (and also Hot Pot imo), Heph is obvious, and then Hera because of Proper Upbringing making everything better, and also Hereditary Bane being crazy with Poms and Rarities.

[dreamy veldt]

I have to go back to work in like one minute ago, can you dm me this pls

[signal coral]

Just save the link

[glass bone]

It’s not any math, it’s just a personal opinion

[signal coral]

Slide 2 is the raw scaling numbers

[glass bone]

The other % gods obviously would enjoy rarities and Poms, but those 5 gods feel like they are the half that get the most

[signal coral]

Aphro sort of has better pom scaling than apollo

But apollo kind of needs it more because his cores are tragically bad without poms

+40% attack

Aphro special has ridiculous pom scaling for a % boon though

Base to +4 is +100% damage

I agree that the flat damage gods are the biggest beneficiaries though

[silent crow]

i feel like he is more rarity dependent no?

his attack starts at 80 with epic rarity

[signal coral]

He has both good rarity and good pom scaling

[silent crow]

its only the common variants that are especially bad

[signal coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1377540616690597908/1442619283434770482/hades-2-god-comparison-attack-special-boons-v0-82m016kfujyf1.png?ex=69261767&is=6924c5e7&hm=06effd8270f5b218ea0e4b50f3548e07154cfef0168246632125f7f482d7014b&

Probably the main relevant slide

[opaque holly]

Isn’t the first slide better? Basically demonstrates that outside Zeus and Heph, JPom is equivalent to epic lv1 for attacks and specials

Obviously heroic is where you would end up if you actually started with calling Card, so perhaps comparing to heroic lv1 is better… but in that sense it clearly shows that heroic will always be better than common lv4

[tawny imp]

venerated relic garmr gaze or leering glance for Hel

[silent crow]

relic i thinj

[lilac crypt]

Is Born Gain or Lucid Gain better for regaining magik?

[tawny imp]

depends

[silent crow]

both very strong, but lucid is better with rrlatively low magic capacity and born is better on the torches

[lilac crypt]

I like using lucid gain for pretty much everything, but I heard that born gain was also great.

[edgy nacelle]

with lucid gain you can eventually outpace it, and spend magick faster than you can regenerate it, even with winner’s circle making your cast vanish faster.
born gain just wants max magick upgrades, but if you have enough max magick it’s super smooth and can keep up with basically anything

[lilac crypt]

Neat!

[signal coral]

Downside of born gain is needed to get max magick

Which is not hard but also not free

Upside is that it is the only gain boon that can keep up with giga magick builds once you meet its requirements

[tawny imp]

downside of born gain is it can sometimes betray you if you arent careful

how i lost my F40 surface Morrigan run at prom

[exotic haven]

what did it do

[tawny imp]

ran out

[exotic haven]

did you prime it all away

[tawny imp]

i was runningt exceptional talent

180 magick was not enough

[exotic haven]

rip

[edgy nacelle]

oof yeah 180 magick with exceptional talent is…. not enough.
shoutout to silver wheel, tho, run saver, my goat

[opal pecan]

It's appropriate, I suppose, that Hec is such a bail

[exotic haven]

oh wait i was gonna ask

someone sent a cool fear guide here the other day and im finally gonna try for the third statue

i dont see it in pins and message searching isnt going very well so ima just straight up ask who has one

[tawny imp]

wait i mightve found a way to make morrigan ospecial kinda work

[edgy nacelle]

uhhh I don’t have a guide off the top of my head? ik the youtuber boated has a good fear guide video.
usually if ppl ask for advice about fear I just talk to them abt it or send a loadout, I don’t rly have a resource for it

[tawny imp]

blitz arc flash faster special channel hammer

[edgy nacelle]

ooooh

I will say idk if it’s good but sureshot flurry is SO fun on morrigan ospec

[tawny imp]

ill see how it does damage wise on hectate rn

[exotic haven]

i kept message searching and found a cool google doc

[tawny imp]

nvm i died

controller disconnect 😔

[vernal quiver]

Whoever at supergiant thought that hippos would be a fun and engaging enemy needs to be fired istg

The amount of times I cant even see the projectile because of the 500 enemies on my screen and I eat 20 damage

[lilac crypt]

Wait which ones are th hippos again?

[surreal hazel]

Floaty kaboom oceanus enemy

[vernal quiver]

The floating greenish things that spit out a slow homing projectile

[surreal hazel]

Runs off, is hated by speedrunners for different games entirely

[lilac crypt]

I personally haven't had much trouble with them tbh, but I see how they could be annoying

[vernal quiver]

They're only a problem since im playing 67f lol

[devout ermine]

arent the hippos the one with the really slow death anim?

[vernal quiver]

That too, tack on return and they get even slower

[devout ermine]

menace makes erebus a different kind of hell

i like menace in oceanus because i think it's hilarious to see the stones of misery rolling around in the oceanus tileset

[vernal quiver]

Goddamn finally got out of erebus with timer still left omfg

Only 12 seconds but still

[signal coral]

Good luck!

Next major bottlenecks are probably sirens and afterwards its granddaddy himself

[devout ermine]

well that was a bad start on my part

lost all 3 dds to my rival frenzy 2 hec

[vernal quiver]

Yeah died to sirens but that run was still super messy

Ill fs get 67f with enough practice

[devout ermine]

and an incredible jpom medea start for me,

brought toula and made the best of heph, pos, zeus, and hestia

smolder ring + glowing coal, volcanic strike, breaker rush, ionic gain

i want zeus special

no dds lost either

into oceanus i go

[opaque holly]

Rivals fights are so much more fun lol

I can’t believe I struggled and died to the base versions of the bosses so much at first

[devout ermine]

lost 1 dd to sirens, got it back in the well immediately after lol

i also just got insanely lucky after cerb

opened a twist of fate box and got a dd back

after i put on lucky tooth

[opaque holly]

Wow

How does twist of fate actually work? Does it give you one of the currently offered items? Or ANY item a well can spawn?

[opal pecan]

Any item that a well can spawn, although in a reverse of your first considered possibility, I don't think I've ever had it give me one of the other items that was currently being offered.

[opaque holly]

Oh interesting

I don’t think I’d ever take that item unless I was rich or desperate I guess

[opal pecan]

Sometimes if I'm pretty flush I take it just to see if it'll give me something good yeah

[devout ermine]

i was rich

[opaque holly]

Word

Wells feel pretty low impact to me tbh

[devout ermine]

still am too, 1259 into the hades room

[opaque holly]

Idk if just bad brain but I haven’t found much of value out of em

Very rare to see a DD in there

[opal pecan]

Naw, other than DD refills you can also get stuff like a free Chaos gate or, if you've been unlucky with boons, a Danaid Dagger

[opaque holly]

Maybe just my anecdotal experience

[opal pecan]

I'll also take the blood price one anytime if I'm not too low. Free gold!

[opaque holly]

Danaid is decent ya

It only gives like 20-30g tho…

For 15hp

Seems like a bad deal lol

[devout ermine]

danaid is incredible in erebus if you happen to be down on your luck getting boons early (on some weapons)

[opal pecan]

It's enough to subsidize another purchase or bump me over the threshold, I take it

[opaque holly]

I’m now scared of chaos. With rolls it’s okay and I don’t mind trading an ashes or bones room for chaos, but if it spawns against a boon I’m almost never gonna take the chaos

[opaque holly]

Ya danaid is super good

I will look more closely at wells

Hermes’ shrines are just so much better that it’s tough going back to wells lol

I get boons probably 50-75% of them

[opal pecan]

OTOH you do get to purge boons in the underworld, which is nice

[silent crow]

wells r lowk mid in this game its sad

[opal pecan]

Were they that good in H1? I don't remember them especially

[silent crow]

yes they were strong

[devout ermine]

YES

32f rival4 frenzy2 medea uw clear

[opaque holly]

Damn nice one

I have a tough time with Medea

I’ve mapped attack and special to shoulder buttons

But I sometimes feel like I’m playing it wrong

You need to go THROUGH enemies using the special right? After the attack has been set up

[opal pecan]

No, you don't need to go through them, just to them

[opaque holly]

I feel like I must be missing or something. I’m on controller and I won’t pretend to be good with aiming