h2-builds-and-combat

[edgy nacelle]

but idk, it does good work when I take it on like. a couple specific weapons

for general use tho god no, if I'm not spamming dash strikes I think the hate is justified
it just can pop off

[fierce citrus]

well i mean the 1 second uptime is more then enough tbh

[exotic haven]

I had aspect of circe with air quality with the Apollo and Demeter cast additions and I lost to zag in the boats 💔

This is why I will never run strength ever again

[junior trail]

certain dash strike builds are required to get weak online with passion tho, rapture and glamour generally do a better job

[edgy nacelle]

yeah, if you aren't dash striking constantly at melee range it's quite bad, good for her leg as a meme build but that's all 🤷

[junior trail]

good wards clear tho ngl (but then again rapture )

[edgy nacelle]

and otherwise for weak I'd rather glamour gain, or rapture ring if I want huntress uptime. but I think it's a tad overhated

[fierce citrus]

yea fair but idk I never find it bad like if its offered ill take it if im not looking for anything specific id much prefer rapture ring but thats cause the suck in is good

[edgy nacelle]

if I know I won't get 100% orig uptime without a status curse dash, then I may actively avoid it unless ik it's going to work, so I can try to snag dem/apollo/hera

but if I already have origination going then it's like. fine 🤷 on melee stuff
and then ofc on mel axe/mel staff it's quite good imo, or trick knives builds if you hug enemies

[cerulean panther]

But Huntress uptime is super easy with Glamour Gain, just use any Magick at any time.

[edgy nacelle]

it requires more upkeep 🤷 it's nice to be able to pop one omega move per room then just focus on DPS instead of slowing down to channel

[opal pecan]

I've decided I'll try max Rivals again. No other vows (well, Frenzy 1 just to see). Not sure if I can do it but I want to try properly :P

[edgy nacelle]

👀 good luck

[opal pecan]

I'm into Tartarus and still don't have a special boon i'm gonna die

Hmmm.... I'm torn on whether to go back to pulling out the ole knucks for gramps. It's the one Rivals fight that I've never beat fair and square before, but otoh, how much is 10% DR really gonna be doing for me, right. I think someone mentioned the DR math is kinda not really tilted toward favoring the player

[edgy nacelle]

I think knucklebones is still pretty fair and square!

[opal pecan]

I guess, but I'm just thinking of how the Cerb fight was so much easier because I phased him outta the horrible tiny arena phase fast

[edgy nacelle]

also, pin will heal you + preserve a DD if you clear the phase within 10s, which is nice. luckier tooth also a pull
altho idk if you're on strength, if you are then... yeah, knucks I guess

and btw the thing abt damage red is that it's multiplicative with other sources of damage reduction

[junior trail]

antler antler

[opal pecan]

Strength yeah, I didn't want to end up getting psyched out by the higher facetank dam-- lmao

[edgy nacelle]

weapon?

you could just fang/droplet it 🤷

[opal pecan]

Fang's the other one I'm considering, yeah.

[opal pecan]

The funny thing is that part of the reason my build is so jank into Tartarus is that I kept getting only common-rarity Heph boons offered in Erebus and, well, https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280788714790322176/1440531870780620900/image.png?ex=691e7f59&is=691d2dd9&hm=90d61b21d068b936c327fa7bf04d04695c499b6be067a9a29ecb5bd00cfb9b57&

Simply finish the fight in seven seconds and I'm good to go, amirite

After much mulling I think I'll take knucks and pray for a good final shop, Fates please don't screw me

I want a frickin special boon.... maybe a Real Gain Boon for my Mirrored Thrasher lmao

[dreamy veldt]

Yes

Oops

[opal pecan]

Please pray for dad to give me Deep Dissent 🙏

YES

[dreamy veldt]

Yes

[opal pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280788714790322176/1440533534816206908/image.png?ex=691e80e6&is=691d2f66&hm=4cdc493c20b8dc41d1a14ced481677f25c1ba8fcd992c3f2c0fa88473297da1c&

I'm gonna chuck Hephaestus into the River Phlegethon

[silent crow]

heph special doesnt seem so bad

get that hit it with a pom seems pretty solid

[opal pecan]

He didn't offer me special :( He offered me a sac boon on my blitz atk, which is one of my only two curses in the entire build 🥲

P2 down, I still have armor, cold sweat

[rare ermine]

Does anyone have the list of hex to godsent i can copy paste?

[edgy nacelle]

zeus = twilight curse
hera = night bloom
poseidon = moon water
hestia = total eclipse
demeter = phase shift
hephaestus = wolf howl
aphrodite = dark side
apollo = lunar ray
ares = sky fall

unless you meant full titles?

or something else

[rare ermine]

Thats the one thankies

[edgy nacelle]

[spiral wadi]

it would be quite good if they improved the selene book of shadows so it's not an extremely large list of nodes to sift thru

[edgy nacelle]

yup sure would 😔

[rare ermine]

Plagiarized your work into genchat to answer a person’s question lmao

[fierce citrus]

how is heras special on moros?

hestias*

[edgy nacelle]

oh hestia? eh. meh imo

[fierce citrus]

i wanna take controlled burn but i have no regen rn

[edgy nacelle]

maybe with three special projectiles + extra projectile speed, but you don't hit enemies suuuper often. it's not the worst but not notably good

what's the third option?

[fierce citrus]

rush

[edgy nacelle]

oh ew. hm

[fierce citrus]

yea

[edgy nacelle]

any hestia duos it would open?

[fierce citrus]

i wanted cardio

[spark crown]

🫸

[silent crow]

pretty good imo

[signal coral]

this is high fear right?

[fierce citrus]

posiden

[edgy nacelle]

it's at least access to orig if it's on special, and the damage isn't bad even if I wouldn't choose it over other gods. good for wards too

[fierce citrus]

and demeter

i got the specials go faster from the hammer

[signal coral]

whats your other boons?

[silent crow]

def take hestia spec

[signal coral]

i might just slap on the dash and call it a day

or special

[fierce citrus]

demeter cast and ice queen and posiden strike

[signal coral]

special is fine then

[fierce citrus]

alright thanks

[edgy nacelle]

with dem cast you already have freeze, and I wouldn't poseidon special

so yeah, hestia spec it is

[signal coral]

just hope for steam or something

[fierce citrus]

yea thats what i was thinking

[spark crown]

give me a run idea (no mel axe or moros torches i hate them)

[fierce citrus]

strength 60 fear (no return) mel coat :)

[spark crown]

i cant even clear 32 fear

[edgy nacelle]

anvil ring winner's circle circe for maximum clang noises

[fierce citrus]

try something new

maybe you cant beat 32 but you could beat 60

[spark crown]

160 nights on 60f not 1 clear not 1 made it past poly T-T

[fierce citrus]

god damnnn

wait youve tried 60 fear 160 nights or youve played 160 nights in general

[spark crown]

for 160

[fierce citrus]

you havnt made it past poly or prom

[spark crown]

351 nights total

[spark crown]

poly

[molten lagoon]

Whats a good strategy for hard mode magma cerberus? The small arena in the first half breaks my brain

[spark crown]

can make it to typhoon on 32 tho 🔥

[fierce citrus]

um

polythemus right im not reading it wrong

[spark crown]

yup

[fierce citrus]

160 nights youve tried

[spark crown]

XD

[fierce citrus]

damn

[spark crown]

yup XD

[rare ermine]

Have you tried slowly turning up fear 😧 instead of jumping in balls to the wall 60

[fierce citrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1437620162353168394/1437620198281842811/IMG_2732.png?ex=691e73a4&is=691d2224&hm=3c5e94591017e33148914d64027d6413b1b40e159ee46db1cc5c0babc9db218f&

[rare ermine]

Like 40f

[spark crown]

yeah thats why im at 32 🔥

[fierce citrus]

this could help poly is not that hard though 😭

what weapon

[molten lagoon]

Id say its a difficulty curve boss

Bro couldve been the final
Boss

Has more aura than typhon

[rare ermine]

I need metal to win faster vs my brother
Because if my bro manages to win his first 40f before metal
Then this universe is cruel

[spark crown]

its the fact he keeps grabbing me for phase change and dumping me in poison or jsut him dumping me in poison

[fierce citrus]

i mean yea but 160 tries is so wild to me

[edgy nacelle]

ok wait this 62 is off to a good start for once 👀 (off topic sorry just popping in from my h2 tab)

[fierce citrus]

what weapon do you use

[fierce citrus]

good luck with it

[spark crown]

a variety but mostly morrigan and nergal

[dreamy veldt]

I have 4800 gold

[molten lagoon]

Ngl i just realized an hour ago Poly has a listening mechanic

[edgy nacelle]

hmmm do you like anything ranged

[dreamy veldt]

And no paid dues

Tragic

[edgy nacelle]

charon maybe, if you like axes and omega combos...

[spark crown]

anubis

[molten lagoon]

Give charon some change smh

[spark crown]

hate charon axe T-T

[edgy nacelle]

anubis might b pretty fun 👀 and less dangerous vs poly

[fierce citrus]

damn still thats so wild 160 tries and you couldnt beat poly once

[edgy nacelle]

why specifically, and are you dashing while channeling to stay mobile (I say, defensive of my seldom used but very successful child)

[molten lagoon]

Hard mode poly does hurt my brain but i just need to start backing off whenever medea starts spamming

[opaque holly]

How much gold is normal for time piece purges?

[molten lagoon]

[edgy nacelle]

depends on what you purge with it! you get more gold for more valuable things

[opaque holly]

Like is there a set amount for regular boon, upgraded mini boss boon, Hermes boon, bones, double bones

[fierce citrus]

poly is such a fun boss cause his so easy to me on high fear

[edgy nacelle]

so at the low end of the spectrum stuff like ash and onions are very low, and then at the high end daedalus hammers and boss room boon rewards get you a ton

[fierce citrus]

to be fair ive been going through him like 50 times now

[opaque holly]

Is it supposed to give >700g for a miniboss upgraded boon?

[fierce citrus]

omg circe took vow of hordes not the best but still amazing

[opaque holly]

Whoa

[digital juniper]

i think it’s 650 for a miniboss boon?

[opaque holly]

Holy balls that’s insane

[spark crown]

yup it jsut feels clunky

[opaque holly]

Hermes boon was > 500

Dude wtf that’s so much gold

Oh my lord this is so strong

[spark crown]

hermes and chaos are 500

[digital juniper]

but yeah time piece is very strong when you have the vow of debt on

[dreamy veldt]

85k damage with Poseidon waves 😳

[rare ermine]

Would it be crazy of me to send luthien’s cerb fight gif here as a video reference? Thoughts?

[edgy nacelle]

hmmmmmm. 2s blast on my attack, I don't want to denial an epic grand caldera but I think trusty shield is simply too good for high fear

[digital juniper]

it’s definitely trusty yeah

[edgy nacelle]

oh hey lol, I'm in oceanus in a run with engagement ring + heph attack circe, accidentally doing the 50 Six build

at opposed to the upcoming 56 six build

[digital juniper]

if it was furnace blast then maybe, but i think trusty is way too good to pass on

[molten lagoon]

At least its not 67

[fierce citrus]

i cant wait until i beat 55 fear so i can start playing medea on 62 fear (im not touching moros on strength judgment 62)

[digital juniper]

the question is why the hell are you running judgment at 62

[edgy nacelle]

....ok I'm glad I picked trusty, this was a TINY room and a demeter trial and turns out she's scary when one gust covers 50% of the room 💀

[edgy nacelle]

reddie has an uncannily strong hatred of return, is why

[digital juniper]

yeah i try to avoid dem trial not because she’s necessarily hard but she covers so much space

[spark crown]

this but hestia or zeus

[dreamy veldt]

Narcissus is about to get mad at me

Time to spam Medea runs

[rare ermine]

Ok yknow what we ball here(not my vid)
Perfect cerb fight for reference so you can copy some of the movement tech as a guide
https://imgur.com/a/m5DqSGe

[edgy nacelle]

oooooooh.... hm

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1426118288198602775/1440540904216858645/Screenshot_2025-11-18_at_7.15.06_PM.png?ex=691e87c3&is=691d3643&hm=9df541082096d7f83b62c9f2f28a058f0ca13166847848c3c135e7f123c06eb3&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1076&height=700

thoughts? uncanny for safety sounds nice, anvil ring is def better damage but then I lose hitch for sirens... not dash lol

[spark crown]

DINK DINK DINK

[edgy nacelle]

for a fun run I would take heph cast but I want to be careful since this is a fairly decent start to a 62 so far lol

[digital juniper]

it’s uncanny or ding dong

i’ve been told today that heph cast is actually pretty good

but Hitch is also really damn good

[edgy nacelle]

it IS.
just... hitch for sirens, yeah

[molten lagoon]

Better time dodges ig for me

[edgy nacelle]

hmhmhm. I think hera special and dash are still in the pool

[digital juniper]

i wouldn’t swap hera dash for frigid tho

[fierce citrus]

omg a big robot just hit me for 60 mid eris fight and left me on 10 hp that was so scary

[edgy nacelle]

brb and thinking abt this for a moment, if someone has a decisive argument then @ me

[spark crown]

APOLLO POSIEDON HEPH GO BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

(circe staff aiming for heph cast fates whims

[fierce citrus]

ok 51 hp going into olympus do i risk the knucle bones or just send the onion?

[digital juniper]

id go uncanny because your single target is better than your room clear rn imo

with anvil ring you’ll have crazy single target but your room clear will take a hit

sure if you get a hera sacrifice on special then anvil ring would’ve been the better choice, but i wouldn’t gamble on that

[spark crown]

full room of ward making shamblers T-T each creture had 10 gods damned wards

[edgy nacelle]

ok, sounds good I think…
also lmao support fire doing nothing. the other options iirc were the omega cast arrows and death warrant, which I maybe sleep on but eh

[edgy nacelle]

oh also this keeps cheirloom open I believe

so yes, uncanny it is, ty!!

[digital juniper]

i’ll be heading to sleep now, let me know how the run goes!

[edgy nacelle]

will do, sleep well Six!! 👋

[spark crown]

ocast arrows are so good on circe

[edgy nacelle]

slowing down to omega cast means I die 😔 and no winner's circle rn

at lower fear I'd take it cause it's funny tho lol

[spark crown]

bro that wards room ruined my time T-T

[edgy nacelle]

phew, ok, just one DD to sirens and hitless p1... mistimed a dodge p2 otherwise might have been deathless

[fierce citrus]

shoudlve taken ghost onion

[oblique hazel]

this 50 fear all aspects thing is fun asf so far 2 mel aspects left

[edgy nacelle]

I think I'm going to take ghost onion now tbh, since I'm at 24/135 health

oooof. worth selling ice flourish to refill a DD...? probably...

[oblique hazel]

idk if easy shot is good on anything ever im ngl

[molten lagoon]

I started leveling up ghost onion today and its very useful after you get your ass kicked from the past level and need even more healing

[edgy nacelle]

it's very funny tho
but yeah, contender for the single worst arty boon tbh

ok, we enter fields, full DDs at the cost of no special/freeze anymore

[spark crown]

OK BUTTTT i could be death warrant

[oblique hazel]

death warrant isnt that bad afaik

[spark crown]

seems pretty bad to me T-T

[edgy nacelle]

hmm. if DDs are full, is it always evade evade evade over fight fight fight, even with uncanny?

I.... think so, with max pain

bah idk

[oblique hazel]

i think so yeah

[fierce citrus]

man i hate denial i got cut above and profuse bleeding

[edgy nacelle]

my max hp is just a bit low for comfort, but. I think evade is still just better

[oblique hazel]

evade evade evade is really good

[junior trail]

beach ball

[edgy nacelle]

question for knowers: does rapid thrasher actually do anything for dash strike spam? or not enough to be worth

[oblique hazel]

once i got beach ball at tartarus end shop and it hit the damage board

[edgy nacelle]

debating vs wicked, with blast on attack 🤷

[junior trail]

no, rapid only works with attack sequence

[edgy nacelle]

then wicked it is ig

[oblique hazel]

i think this got asked before and the answer was slightly, like with wards 2 its optimal to attack-attack-special without another form of barrier clear

but just dash strike its not worth it

[edgy nacelle]

I have frigid + hitch + dual moonshot, so I figure it's not rly worth it, wards are fine

[oblique hazel]

yeah easy wicked imo

[opal pecan]

Rivals Typhon time 😩

[fierce citrus]

how much extra damage does crit do?

[edgy nacelle]

x3, so +200% but it's multiplicative

vs ares crits which are x2 total

[fierce citrus]

so grevious blow is the same

ohhh dw got it

[edgy nacelle]

yeah, arty/raki crits ≠ ares minicrits

[oblique hazel]

crits are 300% or x3, gblow is 200% or 2x

[edgy nacelle]

and weirdly they're written as "+200% damage" and "200% damage" 🙃 which makes them look the same

[oblique hazel]

both are multiplicative and stack with each other which is pretty cool

[fierce citrus]

oh damnn unfortunately no arty appeared

didnt know they stack thats insane damage

[opal pecan]

I have now been introduced to the concept of "babality" 😭 what the mel 😭

[edgy nacelle]

PHEWWWW okay

full DDs leaving cerb.... did take half health smh, does frigid rush make his slow moving orbs explode like frinos does?

[edgy nacelle]

also yeah babality is...... an experience
but one you deserve to share with the rest of us esca <3

[oblique hazel]

i dont believe so

might be wrong tho idk

[edgy nacelle]

then just unlucky, two of them exploded without (I think) hitting me but maybe I just timed a dash awfully

[oblique hazel]

im a big frigid rush believer and ive not noticed it happen to me

[edgy nacelle]

a dark twisted and evil part of my brain is like "haha what if I take antler now :)"

[oblique hazel]

do it

guaranteed win

[edgy nacelle]

pin seems like the better move tho..... I want to try as hard as I can 🙃

[left dirge]

Okay does anyone recommend any builds for Nergal I stg if i dont get apollo or even aphro on the attack its over

[edgy nacelle]

but my max hp is still only 181, 83 current hp...

nitro boost, snow queen, trusty shield

[junior trail]

hera and dem arent bad

[left dirge]

on attack or special or what

[opaque holly]

Do grievous blow and mutual destruction stack? For 4x

[junior trail]

attack ofc

[edgy nacelle]

hera is great
ares isn't amazing but isn't bad, and you can spec into attack speed
any % boon on attack

[left dirge]

wb heph

[edgy nacelle]

meh
like it's not bad, heph doesn't care what weapon you use, but there's no synergy in particular
ppl put heph on slow attacks but there's no actual reason to do that imo 🤷 he can go on anything, he's weapon agnostic, safest with range
heph legendary is great on nergal tho

but I'd prob do heph special for his leg, rather than heph attack

[broken spoke]

Nergal atk so slow that max out heph probably finished its cooldown before next strike

[left dirge]

I got 2 heras and literally none of them had attack gdmt

[fierce citrus]

why did eris hit me for 50?

only one beam hit me

[left dirge]

Maybe this upcoming aphro will have an attack or good special

hm actually how is aphro on nergal? Do you want her on attack or the special?'

[edgy nacelle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1426118288198602775/1440548708776153190/Screenshot_2025-11-18_at_7.45.45_PM.png?ex=691e8f08&is=691d3d88&hm=2bc3a60b1655357fed95d200276a7f8a951adfd6dd1e55e995ed9095af1cff7f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1076&height=700
"haha antler funny" aside, like. real thoughts? do I risk it? I've never tried it with max pain before I feel like it's just a dumb move... but my max hp also isn't that high. but. if I lose a DD in tartarus because of it then I've just thrown the run...

[oblique hazel]

hmm

[edgy nacelle]

I'm being very very indecisive since I think I have a chance 😔

[oblique hazel]

if you wanna i think youre in a very good spot for antler but also i wouldnt personally because antler is terrifying

[edgy nacelle]

but I've never dealt with wards, grit, or pain tartarus for antler runs and like. that could suckkkk

[junior trail]

no, both combined doesnt stack to 4x
but it increases the chance of x2 to pop up ofc

[left dirge]

Hera sprint is also very fun I dont know why

[edgy nacelle]

I've done it for rivals before but just. with everything else...

I think pin, I think the move is play safe. but my god it's tempting gah

[oblique hazel]

also 7 mins for tart is enough time not to antler ngl

[edgy nacelle]

then okok, pin, safety
I may still throw vs gramps lol even without it

ty

[oblique hazel]

[opaque holly]

Time piece omg wow. Could have made 1200g in two boons

And it just stays with you

[opal pecan]

Well, until you use up all the charges, but yes

[opaque holly]

That’s so strong

Wow

[edgy nacelle]

(pspspsps deep disseeeent come on...)

[opaque holly]

Is there a way to get calling card without taking a contract? Zag eats half my DDs

[edgy nacelle]

it's absuuuurdly good
great for hermes shrines on the surface especially
also makes hermes legendary less phenomenally ass

[edgy nacelle]

just fight him in olympus when your build is already as strong as it can be, since that's the latest you meet him

[opaque holly]

Yup I found Hermes’ leggo in final shop so I walked into rivals chronos with 700g

Nice healthy 200hp buffer

[opal pecan]

Getting Paid Dues in final shop when you've got a ton of gold is so nice.

[opaque holly]

Also lol @ getting Heph legendary offered on Persephone skull biome 4 😭😭😭

Total waste

The new struggle is balancing artificer and time piece usages

[edgy nacelle]

bah are you kidding me.... paused to see where nem was going to go (to see if I could check a well for breath of eros etc) and she took the forward progress door from me 💀 hasn't happened in ages, goodbye time save in tartarus. it's fine i guess

[opal pecan]

Whaaat

[fierce citrus]

oh damn thats unfortunate i messed up proms flames because i was reading a message 😂

[edgy nacelle]

oh, huh. this is a weird af choice

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1426118288198602775/1440551690632953946/Screenshot_2025-11-18_at_7.57.56_PM.png?ex=691e91cf&is=691d404f&hm=8b1dc02b88fdd53e0069df3ccfddfa95af2aaa43307e0d9acd706b9249773b64&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1076&height=700

on circe...? hm.

[broken spoke]

Why not

[edgy nacelle]

to leg?

[junior trail]

martial is more practical imo, both dash strike + base special count

[edgy nacelle]

it's with raki so leash will hit him some but

over the course of the fight, esp with a blast attack and wicked thrasher, I think my attack is lacking %

so. infusion I think

[oblique hazel]

woah wtf vytautas did an unseeded mel blades 67 with no trick knives

[junior trail]

why martial arts isnt on ares lmao its martial

[fierce citrus]

i took away born gain for bridal glow which hit me special zeus W decision

[opal pecan]

yeah but it's art and Ares wouldn't know art if it slapped him across the face with a glitter-encrusted haddock

[edgy nacelle]

nooooooooo so close 😔

good attempt tho, made one dumb mistake smh
note to self: don't dash during the cutscene attack, just sprint. lost a DD over that
only had 4s left but he had like 15% hp left...

that does feel rly bad lol, that was 100% my fault. but. very very very close

[fierce citrus]

fountain into circe is this heaven???

[edgy nacelle]

oookay, time to take a break and stretch my legs and eat dinner, but gah that was so free if I played better or didn't let nem steal my door smh

[opal pecan]

I died to Eris on my second attempt 😩 I'm not sure why I'm finding the Surface fights harder now when it was the reverse the first time that I tried it!

Maybe I need to bust out the coat again 🤔 Get that lucky charm back on my side 🤔

[fierce citrus]

idk why but im struggling in olympus so much rn

[fierce citrus]

and dont forgot to run strength

[opal pecan]

Oh dw I have 😂

[fierce citrus]

ok does hereditary band increase the amount of damage from knucle bones?

i dont really know how that boon works

[opal pecan]

? Why would it increase Knuckle Bones damage? Unless you mean KB damage that was transferred via Hitch specifically, in which case, it would increase the amount of hitch-transferred damage, sure.

[fierce citrus]

yea i ended up taking bridal glow in hopes it hits special or trusty shield it hit lucid gain

also i just learnt perfect image re applies its self if you dont take damage for 15 seconds

[opal pecan]

Yes, that's what it says in the boon description :P

[fierce citrus]

i wish i read more boon descriptions

i read the first 5 words then stop lol

[dreamy veldt]

You should probably break that habit

[fierce citrus]

maybe one day

[spark crown]

how does exceptional talent work on hel?

FLOOD GAIN WORKS LIKE BORN GAIN??????????? you can gain mana when you only have a little?

[opal pecan]

You can gain even if you have Zero

[fierce citrus]

yea i learnt that like 2 days ago as well

ok going into prom the 3rd time in a row today (i havnt won once yet)

[opal pecan]

Like I've been saying, it's just a safer Born Gain (at the cost of the gain going on cooldown)

[spark crown]

tbh with hel the cool down isnt a problem

if you have 100 magick you have nearly a 100% gain uptime

[fierce citrus]

i have such bad memory lol i keep dying to his flames

[spark crown]

you trying to remeber which is safe or which its hitting?

CHIRIBDIS NOOOOOOOOOO MY GOOD RUN (just entered the fight)

[fierce citrus]

safe

[fierce citrus]

your never having a good run until you leave rift

thats a lie until you get to prom

[fierce citrus]

there easy to remember I just keep getting distracted in that very moment

[spark crown]

you using numbers or top middle and bottom?

[fierce citrus]

i should start pausing

[fierce citrus]

left middle right

[spark crown]

bro i would mix that up 9/10 times T-T

[fierce citrus]

nah its alright its the easiest part of the boss fight when your sister doesn't come in asking questions

[fierce citrus]

its so easy with left middle right

[spark crown]

i mix up my left and right so often T-T

[opal pecan]

In retrospect I definitely ate dirt on the Rivals Prom fight partly because I got greedy about wanting to try hitting Herc during memory game

[fierce citrus]

why is it whenever I have life tax I have bad poly fights

[fierce citrus]

I stopped trying to hit herc because his second phase is so annoying

ill lower him down abit but barley

my life tax is down to 29 wtf

[spark crown]

i just kill him compleatly first prom is easy in comparison

[fierce citrus]

when I dont have life tax I beat poly without breaking my lovers shield

[opal pecan]

IDK what you're imbibing but surely it is inhibiting your judgment... flameboy is the one grinding my face in aforesaid dirt

[spark crown]

you get reckless

[fierce citrus]

I used to do that but idk herc second phase is harder to deal with while prom is there

[spark crown]

herc keeps smacking me into memory fire T-T

[fierce citrus]

tbh half the time i get there hp down at the same time lol

like I dont fully target one

[spark crown]

You know what boon feels really good on hel

blood spree

eris tripple hit me with 1 shot?????

[fierce citrus]

you know how annoying 55 fear is

[spark crown]

wait no she just machine gunned T-T

[spark crown]

indeed

scars is a pain

https://imgur.com/rxNwbz2

just a little

[opaque holly]

If you have enough magick I guess you just down to 0, flood to full, and then use that bar during the 8 seconds?

[spark crown]

Nope you can use flood at 0 magick its just born gain on cooldown

[opaque holly]

Oh you don’t gain back the magick?

[spark crown]

you do

[opaque holly]

Ah but then you’ll just spend it if you keep trying to use magick

[spark crown]

wait im missreading i think

[opaque holly]

You won’t ever end a flood phase with more than 0

[spark crown]

flood gain has a duration and stacks all mana gain during the time

[fierce citrus]

no life tax just killed poly he didnt even take my lovers down

[spark crown]

so multiple moves will generate mutiple sets of mana

so you ocast osecial and oattak and you will go up magick

[opal pecan]

You will always end a flood phase with more than zero; it's just that while flood is on cooldown, you do run the risk of going to zero.

[spark crown]

like how circe gives double lucid gain becuase theres multiple

more omegas during the time more mana after

[opal pecan]

However, even if you get down to zero during the cooldown phase, you can still reactivate flood when the cooldown ends, even without any starting magick.

[opaque holly]

Ya this shook me with possessed

[opal pecan]

Doing more moves doesn't increase your mana after; flood gain refunds your used magick. But ending on a high-cost move as your last magick usage during flood might have you end up with more magick than you started with, if you already hit zero during cooldown once before?

[edgy nacelle]

you can! but you won’t ever end it full unless you have very low max magick
scearnio:
you have 5 magick, and try to use an omega move that costs 20 magick. you’ll use the move for free, then regen 20 magick, and end up with 25 total

[bronze flax]

Or Momus Omega Cast triggering Lucid Gain three times

[edgy nacelle]

it’s weird how it interacts with stuff
if you get to zero magick you’ll generally always end the flood state with one omega’s worth of magick total

in theory you could so something silly like uh. if you’re running mirrored thrasher, but also have controlled burn + fine lines + ocean swell + cut above, then once you reach zero magick, using an ospec will rapidly regenerate enough magick to fuel your attacks for at least part of the downtime

if that makes sense…?

[spark crown]

oh it dosnt refund all in the duration?

[bronze flax]

Also, the cooldown before you use Flood again is reduced by Heph/Poseidon duo, right?

[spark crown]

i would think so?

welp lvl 1 momus time :P

how does momus work with heph cast?

[edgy nacelle]

uhhh I haven’t tried it, but question: does anvil ring say “cast” or “casts”

and does it say “in the binding circle”

[spark crown]

casts

in the binding circle

[thin gazelle]

I don't think it activates on Momus trigger? But I could be crazy?

[edgy nacelle]

hm. then I think it won’t retrigger since the circle is gone

[spark crown]

sad

[edgy nacelle]

annoyingly casts should mean omega cast too, but idt ares cast for instance retriggers, and it also has that “in the binding circle” wording

omega cast effects should retrigger tho

[spark crown]

I DONT THINK SUPERNOVA WORKS T_T

it dosnt T_T

[ruby karma]

Anyone know if arc flash (Zeus, omega moved trigger blitz) can proc itself? Like if I have blitz on torch special, will they proc it if they hit the enemy again?

[spark crown]

bro apollo just sucks on morus

[spark crown]

if the animation for blitz is over

as after it triggers it has a 1sec icd

[ruby karma]

Cool thanks!

[ruby karma]

Is the cool down per enemy, like you could tringger it in less than a second if its a different enemy?

[spark crown]

per enemy

[ruby karma]

Thanks again!

[spark crown]

its has a 1 second re aplication cd per enemy

other wise itd be b teir at most instead of s teir

[ruby karma]

Yeah it seems insane

[spark crown]

blitz is a run carry at low fear and a semi carry high fear

[upbeat matrix]

oki......I beat frenzy2 rivals4 on surface with 3 weapons so far.......meanwhile underworld I get smacked by scylla

[spark crown]

Welcome to scylla T-T

[upbeat matrix]

ngl even hecate is quite hard

[edgy nacelle]

yeah… altho part of that is the fault of erebus, high fear erebus suuuucks. whereas in ephyra you can already have an op build all but guaranteed

[upbeat matrix]

ohh ok

[broken spoke]

Vor hecate also quite hectic

And sheep ball

[upbeat matrix]

its......not sooo bad so far I feel but im running hordes3 w rivals+frenzy so im used to tons of enemies

[spark crown]

curse of thessaly strikes again T-T

[exotic carbon]

What aspect should I use to get my first chronos rivals kill?

[spark crown]

if you can use it medea skull is pretty good

[exotic carbon]

I can spam attack-special and watch big numbers

[broken spoke]

Circe is safe and easy

[spark crown]

w\

[exotic carbon]

I did Circe staff for T rivals but I figured chronos would be harder because he’s not stationary

[spiral wadi]

that's where winner's circle comes in handy even if ur not using omegas, it helps u reposition casts quicker

[broken spoke]

It is harder but still good

[exotic carbon]

I still need my second zag win.. he hits like a truck

[upbeat matrix]

whats the main difference between melionoe skull and persephone skull in playstyle?

[spark crown]

flood gain seismic servo run

[oblique hazel]

too hasty by far!! mel axe is making me want to do something bad on the highway

[edgy nacelle]

that is the mel axe experience (for me) yeah 😔

[spark crown]

real

[manic shuttle]

same, persephone is good with wide array

[upbeat matrix]

oh ok

I.......neeed to use skull more but I have skill issues with medea + I want to be a hipster and NOT use the popular weapon

[edgy nacelle]

tbh you can play mom skull in so many different ways…
it doesn’t have anti-synergy with wide grin, and you can play it very omega special focused, but you can also play it exactly like mel skull if you want

[spark crown]

ew wide array T-T

[junior trail]

They play pretty similarly. Spam attack, gather shells with Special, repeat.
But each has their own perks:

Mel Skull:
Gets +Power when you dump all your shells, so it really likes % damage on attack
Doesn’t benefit from Wide Grin as much, but still feels good if you build around it
Bolstered and Possessed hammers are great picks

Persephone Skull:
Free Poms (huge value long-term)
Sprouted counts with Olympian damage, so on-hit effects on Attack + % damage on Special (Hera Special is really nice for CC)
Twisting is strong

Both play the same loop, but Mel leans into raw Power scaling, while Persephone leans into on-hit/mom car synergy

[upbeat matrix]

oh ok so mom skull is more versatile than mel skull, good to know

[edgy nacelle]

then mom skull is a good start, it’s just mel skull but with bonus levels and less build direction 🤷 mel skull has bonus power on attacks so you’re lightly encouraged to do % attack stuff

[oblique hazel]

persephone skull can definitley be played exactly like mel skull but the biggest difference is persephone's "sprouted" special, where dealing olympian damage (damaging effects like poseidon waves, scorch, blitz, heartthrobs etc) charges a little meter beside your health bar, and when that meter is full your omega special lasts way longer. also persephone's omega special can be moved while its active while mel skull's goes in a straight line

[edgy nacelle]

mom skull is also just incredibly safe since you’re invulnerable during the ospec, and +2 seconds of invulnerability goes a long way

[upbeat matrix]

and......is Hel aspect strong or weak lol......I know it has a really safe playstyle but there is a lack of damage

[manic shuttle]

wide grin 😂

[oblique hazel]

some people like hel skull and say its strong but i really hate it ngl

[edgy nacelle]

every time I try to type wide grin on mobile it autocorrects to “wife grin”
hades using the aspect of pers I guess

[junior trail]

dont use % dmg on hel, instead pick either pos and hestia on attack

[spark crown]

even named right ew T_T hate it so much

[upbeat matrix]

anything works on special?

[oblique hazel]

what a versatile aspect waow

[spark crown]

blitz or hitch on special is best

[edgy nacelle]

kind of a surprising take
I hate it on 2/3 of the aspects it can use it, but on mom skull wide grin + Ωatk is just.... orbital laser xo

[oblique hazel]

wdym wide grin medea is the truth

[spark crown]

i just feel weaker with it unless i have auto returning skulls

[oblique hazel]

secret best build in the game

[junior trail]

o.attack helheim build with apol and ares (exceptional and plasma) is also one way to play

[spark crown]

plasma my beloved

[upbeat matrix]

Does it work on frenzy2 LOL

[junior trail]

absolutely not
still fun to play tho

[upbeat matrix]

Icry

[spark crown]

i would say yes but others disagree

[edgy nacelle]

with mom skull I often just go fate's whim and let the first hammer/boon I get decide the flavor of the run.
heph blast attack, lv9 out the gate and already at min cooldown? great, maybe idc about special at all.
twisting crash making the Ωspec double hit? hell yeah, special damage% or even an on-hit effect like splash can go hard.
possessed array? thank god I love that hammer, but also maybe I'd fish for stuff like fine lines and ocean swell to charge up the Ωspec by just spamming and picking up regular attacks, and aim for a good magick regen

[upbeat matrix]

Ill be honest im not sold on Ares in general, he is an all eggs in one basket kind of god

[broken spoke]

Most people ain't fan of Ares

But fate whim make me appreciate him more

[edgy nacelle]

ares is fine, he's often considered the weakest overall god but he has some really good support boons
you can go all in on him and have fun, or just grab wounds + grievous blow/heinous affront, or mutual destruction
blood spree also pops off

[spark crown]

rank 2 fetching array with possessed array is my beloved

run that with plasma you are queen

[edgy nacelle]

p.array wide grin tho 👀 2x oattacks for all your ammo in <2 seconds, boom boom boom

[spark crown]

butttttt mini gun

[upbeat matrix]

I kinda feel lke ares blades like cut above and his cast are pretty high damage actually

[edgy nacelle]

HM. wait. do you play skulls at range or melee
because idt wide green feels bad without fetching array if you're doing it at point blank range

[spark crown]

ive tryed both and still dont like it T_T

[edgy nacelle]

his cast is quite high damage, it's just held back by some awkwardness in how it works (i.e. bosses for instance being able to leave the circle and dodge before the blade comes down, and aspect of circe not creating double blades)
fun af on Charon tho, imo

[broken spoke]

Ares duo also fun

[upbeat matrix]

Ill try all 3 skulls the next time I play and see how it is

[edgy nacelle]

oh yeah, ares has a lot of good duos
I always like him on a poseidon run, and if I have zeus and apollo in my pool I pray for him to show up

silvenia, have you tried a heinous affront build + light smite? 👀

[upbeat matrix]

not with smite but heinous affront is NASTY work lol

[junior trail]

yes i love waiting 3 million years for shells gathering icd 🙂‍↕️

[upbeat matrix]

but like tbh zeus in general is such strong offense and I rate that duo more on zeus than ares

[edgy nacelle]

light smite is what makes it go nuclear
divine vengeance is the other revenge boon and is okay
but light smite hits every enemy on screen, and wounds cooldown is per enemy, so you can rapidly trigger heinous and just... delete rooms in seconds. it's neat

[upbeat matrix]

oooh

[broken spoke]

Dealing 10 billion dmg to one enemy, wait for million year to pick up skull

[upbeat matrix]

I should try that......although I do fates whim mostly now

[edgy nacelle]

I'm too jeweled pom pilled to remember base light smite scalings, but often it's rapidly doing over 100 damage to every enemy in the room lol, once per enemy you hit with a wound from ares

[broken spoke]

Room clear after universe end

[edgy nacelle]

then next time ares apollo and zeus show up in a run (likely surface) just keep in mind that ares attack/special, any core zeus boon, and light smite will unlock it and proceed to go crazy

[upbeat matrix]

ill try it out sometime

Should say though im a massive Hera simp now, she has good damage and great utility and her duos are great defense/utility, very balanced god

demeter is super balanced too

[edgy nacelle]

hera is so good, she's my favorite god in terms of boons lol

zeus is prob the strongest overall, and heph and demeter are amazing for defense on any build, but hera.... <3 absolutely love what she does

also, sigh, had my dinner and took my break, so back to the 62 circe mines I go

[broken spoke]

Hitch long duration for origination and make room clear extremely fast

4 of her core boon help origination

Born gain is insane

[edgy nacelle]

born gain great, fine lines spam fun
proper upbringing my absolute goat
bridal glow gamba
lots to love

[broken spoke]

Best overall core boon among all god imo

[edgy nacelle]

I'd prob agree
altho if it's just core boons then apollo is quite solid too

I'd still say hera wins since high % and orig is so valuable
but good sprint + cast + gain on apollo

[broken spoke]

Well i don't always need %, but i can always use some curse

[edgy nacelle]

yessss
and hitch turns any strong single target build into a strong AoE build lol, if used well

[hallow basin]

just as a confirmation, Heinous Affront only triggers once per 3 seconds per target?

[hallow basin]

welp lmao. I guess it wasn't the best idea to put on Mel coat

[edgy nacelle]

it still goes crazy when clearing rooms, which is true on any weapon
just shouldn't be your main damage source for bossing—but zeus is in the pool, so blitz and static shock can both be great for Mel coat

[hallow basin]

about static shock, it's just a static 10/15/++ bonus per hit on a boss, yes?

[edgy nacelle]

yes, but it benefits from any universal damage% (notably the origination + furies arcana cards), as well as olympian damage%
if you compare it to the base power of hits from Mel coat it's honestly a very nice bonus

and you can get air quality from zeus to bring it up to 50 damage, or get it over 50 via poms/rarity and boons which buff it with dmg%

[broken spoke]

Support fire if it is good

[hallow basin]

noted! much thanks

I try to grab air quality whenever I pick up static shock ngl
which is an attempt every time I use hel skull :v

[edgy nacelle]

ew ok resetting, this is a gross erebus
some vow of fangs combos are so annoying

shadow + the big orbiting laser on enemies that already have a lot of AoE damage at close range 💀 ugh

[bold sapphire]

I assume -x% foe projectile speed boons/effects are sequentially subtracted from the value yeah

sorry random q

[hallow basin]

ew that sucks

[opaque holly]

How does wounds work for origination? Is the curse always “active” for the purposes of orig? Even if you get your 50 power bonus hit right away?

Or does the curse go away and can’t return for 3s

I’m wondering how sad to be about seeing ares as first god

Freeze for ex freezes immediately and wears off but the curse effect sticks around for 8-9s for origination purposes

[broken spoke]

Wound apply for 3s

When enemy has wound you can't apply +50 pwr

[opaque holly]

Oooooo

Cool so as long s you’re swinging you keep the curse

% isn’t bad either on ares boons with levels and rarity

I guess the issue is Ares rush cast and gain all suck terribly

[junior trail]

wdym grisly is goat

[spiral wadi]

grisly is at a serviceable state rn

it basically requires jpom to be at that serviceable state

[broken spoke]

More like they doesn't do much alone

[spiral wadi]

same w rush and cast cuz what do u mean base ares rush is 30 dmg

like sidon sprint does so much dmg that isn't locked behind a timer and is instant

zeus sprint is also pretty solid for poking

[spiral wadi]

and the blades don't stack so even on big enemies like cerb, rush is only doing one sword dmg per sprint instance

[junior trail]

i like stabbing rush solely for duo prereq

[spiral wadi]

tru

o also wounds plasma t2 is frequently less chance than grisly iirc

like marginally less but still less

[hallow basin]

for a god of war, I agree that ares is pretty uninspiring outside of duos and the crit chance

[hidden crane]

ares having the lowest damage bonus out of the gods that give you percentage damage bonuses is insane

[whole charm]

Yeah i think poseidon rush and attack/zeus special might be my favorite Supay build

So powerful even without omega attacks and specials

plus the duo is fantastic

[junior trail]

but breaker rush doesnt provide froth?

oh right tidal

[whole charm]

yeah breaker rush is basically just there for the big damage

got lucky and got heroic on it lol

like checkmate said a couple days ago turning off auto sprint is essential to spam proc the dash lol

[edgy nacelle]

as someone who always has auto sprint on, I should rly try that, it's possible but feels very awkward

makes me underrate tidal prob

[whole charm]

oh yeah the entire game ive had auto sprint on lmao, it takes maybe a second to get used to. You basically gotta hold down the button for a second then let go and repeat, easy to get the hang of

[edgy nacelle]

I should also try autofire for certain weapons, I dislike it for most things but for some it's prob quite nice

I just... never use it
but also, time for me to lock in because I just had one of the best high fear erebus 62 attempts I've ever had 🤞

[whole charm]

good luck

[devout ermine]

i finally unlocked anubis and i really like it. it's very interesting to me ^w^

[whole charm]

its so goated. Hestia attack is amazing

[devout ermine]

that's what i've done

hestia bestia

[whole charm]

I usually end up pivoting to mostly omega special while attack for extra damage, aphro special is amazing for big damage

[edgy nacelle]

it's VERY fun
hestia and poseidon attack both go very hard
so does static shock
blitz attack is great too, but less immediately op feeling compared to scorch and splash 👀

[devout ermine]

i think if i were to have zeus in the build it would be on special along with hestia attack for their duo

but yeah i heard static shock is incredible with it

[whole charm]

oh yes poseidon is great too. I feel bad because ive basically neglected my boy the entire game, just recently realized how amazing his boons are. sea star is also goated

[devout ermine]

yeah, i loved him in the first game but i also neglect his power here

i may have to use vivid sea to start on my next run

woaw,, epic wave strike and i can rarify

[meager bramble]

Any tips on Frenzy 1 Rivals Eris? The sheer damage output is overwhelming me every time

[edgy nacelle]

which weapon are you on? and is there a specific attack that's giving you more trouble (i.e. lasers vs orbs)

[meager bramble]

Lasers, always getting just clipped briefly. Weapons - I love Than Axe but it probably is disadvantaged for this. I tried Circe but got murdered just as quick

[edgy nacelle]

staying behind her is ideal in general, and trying to dash when she does (at least I think I do that) to i-frame if she goes at a weird angle
with than, just be very careful not to get stuck in the slowest part of the combo right when she dashes. I believe boated also recently released a video with tips on her and poly, if you want to give that a watch

[meager bramble]

"When she does" - do you mean the like fire-and-dash, or is there another dash she does I'm forgetting?

It's like, brief charge-y pause, then big straight dash firing out to the sides a bit?

Thank you for the Boated tip, I'll go see what they say

[edgy nacelle]

for rivals I think of her dash as the weird attack where she rotates while dashing, since it's the one where being behind her doesn't really help

also sorry if I have typos or am being unclear, I'm mid run 😅
got to tartarus with just 1 DD at 62f sigh and said "screw it, white antler" so. a bit stressed lmaooo

and ofc the final shop doesn't have a DD refill. why would it. sigh

[manic shuttle]

I can't play with auto sprint on at all since muscle memory is used to off

[meager bramble]

You're so fine, good luck

[edgy nacelle]

OMG I ACTUALLY DID IT????????

NOT HITLESS cause barriers did get used up but. damageless, no armor or health taken

[broken spoke]

No it just a dream

[edgy nacelle]

kicking my little feet giggling, omg white antler my BELOVED you're so good

[upbeat matrix]

I actually tried fireaway only once so I dont really know how good it is but I thought the old legendary was horrible

so I didnt think too much when it changed tbh

Although......Hestia is still really good right even without her legendary....tbh tho I rarely play around a gods legendary, tbh

[edgy nacelle]

hestia is in a REALLY good place rn I think, yeah
bad legendary and sprint, and I dislike highly flammable, but lowkey all her other boons are actively great on at least something

I just wish her legendary worked with other casts
you already get leg boons late into the game, so making it have such specific requirements feels really bad

• it applies a ton of scorch but by the time you actually get it scorch application is usually already high

[hallow basin]

oh lord I just found out about Mel Coat + poseidon attack
now I have something to spam for Coat while trying to get furious rockets for the prophecy

[edgy nacelle]

it's very very good with the dash attack, since the dash attack hits 3 times in an AoE
(and hits 6 times with the exhaust riser hammer)

froth from slippery slope and king tide (the legendary) also make it go absolutely crazy

[hallow basin]

both of my runs picked up exhaust riser, so it's been especially good for me despite doing F20

[devout ermine]

i need to get better at using anubis but i beat 12 fear surface for t2 night's champion with the poseidon build :3 i posted in #h2-victory-boasting

and remembered to spend my nightmares lol i had 13 saved

[flint widget]

gonna continue to strim 50 fear speedys today

switched to circe after two generational fumbles in tart and chronos specifically

[edgy nacelle]

hi hi, wb from school (I assume)
I got my second 62 finally

[flint widget]

just saw that clear, nice one

[edgy nacelle]

thank youuuu, felt great abt it, I love antler lol

[flint widget]

also goddamn u hit the nuts with storm ring and damageless chronos

whens the 65 clear?

[edgy nacelle]

possibly never, I hate void lmaooo

realistically, if I ever go above 62 it'll be after at least one surface 62, and UW 62 one aspect for every weapon

[flint widget]

used to run medea (sub 2:30 erebus exit, sub 4:30 oceanus exit, and sub 7 fields exit was my best) but my dumbass got hit by the wretched thug somehow 🥲

couldve gotten a sub 8:30 or sub 9 with that build

[edgy nacelle]

ooooh that sounds rly rly good for 50f...

but also yeah medea is scary af

[flint widget]

this why im running circe now

safe but still deals good dmg

aint medea lvls of dmg but still

[twin ice]

when doing a fate build run is it better to start with the pom or the calling card keepsake?

[flint widget]

pom all the way

better start due to free pom lvls and free hades boon

[twin ice]

some of the hades buffs are quite ass tho

[devout ermine]

calling card feels like a better world 2 if you need something of high rarity in particular, esp on surface

[edgy nacelle]

even if it gave no hades buffs I’d take it first tbh

[devout ermine]

the starting levels with pom are nuts

[edgy nacelle]

jpom doesn’t work retroactively, so taking it first means +3 levels on an entire extra region of boons.
taking ccard first doesn’t make it affect more total boons

[twin ice]

alright

[edgy nacelle]

I take ccard region 2 if my build is still missing some important pieces I’d like to rarify, but otherwise just grab chrolex or something else, like fig leaf or moon beam

[devout ermine]

i still need to get my ccard

[flint widget]

its either chrolex or fig for me, sometimes onion if ass first region

onion only for max scars

[edgy nacelle]

it rly depends on what fear you’re running and if you’re aiming for speed.
I low-key dislike fig if I’m not doing a speedrun attempt lol, idk why

[broken spoke]

Idk aim for speed fig scam is more annoying

[devout ermine]

i like fig in world 3 usually, despite it working fine as early as 2 at max rank

[flint widget]

fig also helps in potentially preventing bad encounters perhaps

[edgy nacelle]

I take moon beam a lot tho lol… I like magick heavy weapons and hexes are fun

[flint widget]

im the opposite, don't like magick heavy weps but hexes are fun

[edgy nacelle]

I took it region 2 for a 62 fear attempt, and godsent hestia deleted scylla in two casts lol. I just fumbled chronos

[flint widget]

im only running beam if im running selene coat tbh

[edgy nacelle]

also lately I sometimes click mirrored thrasher + one path of stars upgrade (for the auto charge) specifically so that I can reliably use wolf howl/twilight curse for safety semi often, even without the moon card or any omega moves

wolf how just pops off so hard sometimes, it’s nice to have around… and usually the auto charge is super early in the path of stars so even the +1 mini upgrade in fields unlocks it lol

[twin ice]

what are some of the best aspects to use for the 24 and 32 vow run?

that would make it as easiest as possible

[flint widget]

circe

[junior trail]

charon

[edgy nacelle]

depends what you’re good at! some ppl do better with certain aspects.
in a vacuum, circe is super strong and safe. charon and moros are also good contenders

[junior trail]

eos is also safe i think

[flint widget]

nyx also if ur special spamming

[edgy nacelle]

eos is very safe but I’ve come to accept that a lot of ppl don’t like it for reasons I find confusing lol

[devout ermine]

i want to give eos a shot but i want to wait till i can max all aspects which will take some time

[edgy nacelle]

• I think eos truly shines at higher fear than 32. not that it’s bad at 32, it’s just good at dealing w wards and hordes etc

[twin ice]

which pet is best with circe?

[flint widget]

raki or toula

some people say gale too but tbh i don't like it cuz gale doesn't work well with psychic leash

[edgy nacelle]

Raki, Toula, or Gale
Raki and Toula will follow enemies, Gale will stick close to you.
Raki is more offensive, other two are more defensive

I find Gale the most fun to play around lol but my win earlier right hit was with Raki and psychic leash was my second highest dps source so. lol

[devout ermine]

i've tried both gale and raki with circe, love both

i dislike playing with toula though

[flint widget]

toula is the mvp familiar for circe

repositions the cast to enemies placement? hell yeah

[edgy nacelle]

I think Gale just makes me feel like I have the most control over cast positioning.
toula and raki are both better for leash, but sometimes they target an enemy other than the one I want them to

[broken spoke]

Try hecuba, it fun, trust

[devout ermine]

maxed pan blades with this and i wanna try them out since i avoided them until now, any pointers/ideas?

[flint widget]

fish for trick knives

and watch the enemies die

[devout ermine]

that's ideal, of course, but until i get the resources for Acceptance of Another Fate, fishing for it is inconsistent -n-

[edgy nacelle]

splash is good on special, + the usual poseidon stuff (ares duo, slippery slope, king tide)
scorch specials can also work if you grab pyro technique, and maybe controlled burn for some extra flat damage

but poseidon is king for “pan played as intended,” generally

[devout ermine]

hehehe, time for me to truly then appreciate poseidon's righteous power, as i did with my anubis run from earlier

[edgy nacelle]

also a tip: your omega special doesn’t have infinite range, but it DOES have infinite pierce until it hits an enemy within your cast! so for AoE, experiment with aiming somewhat away from your cast to hit additional enemies

dancing knives or w/e it’s called may turn that off tho, idr

[flint widget]

almost sub 10 circe 50 fear

[devout ermine]

damn

[flint widget]

got fig scammed in tart so couldve been sub 10

[edgy nacelle]

the fact that fig scams didn't get patched out before 1.0 is wild to me 💀

idr if you were online but I got fig scammed 2 regions in a row the other day in the same run. dreadful stuff

[twin ice]

man getting chant from chaos is too difficult it's way too rngy, having to get a duo boon and then the rng to encounter chaos after that and the rng for chant boon to show, like wtf, I've finished the game long time ago and still missing it

[upbeat matrix]

Is there literally any use for reckless abandon btw

[edgy nacelle]

if an attack is weak enough to benefit from air quality, you can stack air quality and reckless abandon to turn it into 50-55-555 (instead of 5-55-555)
also success rate makes the odds better for the higher damage
still not amazing, but kinda fun in that one niche

[upbeat matrix]

what happens if you have a poseidon/hestia boon on atk

[edgy nacelle]

nothing special?
those boons deal flat damage/apply scorch independent of your attack, and reckless only affects your actual weapon damage, not stuff your attack triggers

so imo the ideal situation to make it feel okay is a very fast but weak weapon, with static shock + either splash or scorch on attack, and air quality

[devout ermine]

it's definitely stronger overall on faster weapons where you can proc it more frequently- i used it once with mel/circe staff and did fine

[edgy nacelle]

like, idk. Hel, Anubis, maybe some coats
without air quality the chance to deal 5 damage feels really bad tho

99% of the time it's just bad tho, to be clear, and even when it's not bad it's just okay

[upbeat matrix]

Okay so it actually has use on torches or maybe hel

[flint widget]

wdym torches

its ass on torches

[upbeat matrix]

I mean mel torches could use it

[edgy nacelle]

torches idt so, their base damage is already 30 for a normal attack, so with even middling damage% you're reaching 50 and above air quality range

[flint widget]

hel i can see the vision tho

[edgy nacelle]

and the oatk is 75 base lol

[flint widget]

needs air quality tho

[devout ermine]

but to clarify even without air quality i got quite lucky with it, and only took it because i hadnt tried it before

[edgy nacelle]

OH supay works also, so 1/4 torches

[flint widget]

oh right cuz supay moves deal ass dmg

[edgy nacelle]

15 base power attack lmao, that + AQ is totally fine 👍 25 base power oatk will be close...? but furies + orig alone isn't enough to make it reach 50 damage either lol

[flint widget]

absolute nightmare with forfeit

[upbeat matrix]

Im mostly an Eos enjoyer and I wouldnt touch reckless abandon with it

[edgy nacelle]

oh god, yeah, on eos that sounds awful

but moros and mel too, esp moros

[upbeat matrix]

I....dont think id try on moros

[edgy nacelle]

eh, not coat either, 40 base attack damage nahhh
so just hel, supay, anubis really

[devout ermine]

naw, you're better off with his power juice one

or nearly any other option

[edgy nacelle]

and it's bad for anubis oatk 😔

[indigo coyote]

but i hate running circe with toula cause toula takes sometime to spawn in the room ..

but oncei move her it's quite good tbh

[edgy nacelle]

just grab raki/gale then
I'm not rly team toula for circe, I like her for some other aspects but less so circe because of that delay

[upbeat matrix]

yeah im aware but like I do want to try the options before writing them off tbh

[indigo coyote]

also , question about blitz, when i first apply it, does it also include the damage from my strike (that applied blitz)?

[edgy nacelle]

I don't believe so, I think the order of operations is weapon damage then blitz

[indigo coyote]

ok

[whole mortar]

Is aether element obtainable only frrom chaos' boons?

[edgy nacelle]

every duo boon gives aether

[whole mortar]

Ty

I wonder if bewitching eyes is now going to stay as permanent boss theme for sirens after i unlocked it, i kinda liked the previous song

[edgy nacelle]

every new scylla song will be added to the rotation! so it's a random selection between however many you've heard

there are ||4|| total

[whole mortar]

||that's dope, i thought that there are only 3 songs including the first one. After i got the "diss" song scylla never sang her first theme again||

I don't even remember how her first theme sounds like anymore

[edgy nacelle]

the one you haven't heard yet is unlocked after you've ||seen rivals scylla once||

[whole mortar]

||When is she going to start rotating etween songs? Do i need to beat her in rivals mode?||

[edgy nacelle]

she does that always, if you haven't heard old songs in a bit that's just bad rng

you can also tell which one she's going to sing as soon as you enter oceanus! each one comes with an oceanus area theme that's a calmer version of the same chords/most of the same melody 👀

[whole mortar]

||after i unlocked her "second" song (i'm gona claw) i never heard again the boss theme you have during first fight||

[edgy nacelle]

i.e. I'm gonna glaw = song of the deep, same song essentially, different delivery

[whole mortar]

So i don't think she is always rotating

[edgy nacelle]

how many times total have you fought her? because she absolutely is, I've been watching a couple lets plays and they heard her original song again within 1-2 runs of hearing claw for the first time 🤷

[whole mortar]

AT least 24 for sure, i'm not sure about exact number though

[edgy nacelle]

it's just random, and with a 50/50 chance between the first two it's not that unreasonable to hear the same song a bunch in a row

[whole mortar]

||She kept playing "i'm gonna claw" until i got "bewitching eyes" for sure||

||like she forgot about her first song, lmao||

[edgy nacelle]

yeah, just very weird rng on your playthrough then, rotating songs isn't a thing you unlock it just happens

[whole mortar]

Don't you ALWAYS get ||i'm gonna claw after you defeat her?||

[edgy nacelle]

as I said, no, I definitely didn't. I heard coral crown again within a few runs after I first heard claw, iirc, on all of the three save files I've played through. same with the lets plays I've seen

[flint widget]

ok time to strim

[whole mortar]

I need a mod that replaces anvil sound effect with BONK

[edgy nacelle]

with one of those cartoony red rubber hammer noises, squeaky bonk

[whole mortar]

Exactly

Or make mod that replaces anvil animation with piano

[devout ermine]

pan knives very fun

even without trick knives i won, rivals 3

[meager bramble]

No, I'm not aware that there's any linkage like that

[whole mortar]

If i got two boons required for duo (let's say i'm aiming for freezer burn), then does it matter which god from those two will i approach next? Can it be both Demeter and Hestia in this case?

[edgy nacelle]

it can appear in either god's offerings, yes!
it's not guaranteed tho, every time you're offered a boon and have the prereqs for a duo/leg it's a roll to see whether it actually shows up

[whole mortar]

Ty, i guess i'll try to switch into keepsake of one of those gods then

I just got family dispute with both gods, talk about luck (knowing me i won't get this duo anyway)

[edgy nacelle]

ah, I don't think duos are offered in family disputes specifically

still, +1 extra boon is nice lol

kind of makes sense that the gods wouldn't want to work together when they're actively bickering over who gets Mel's attention

hmmm. oceanus is giving me more trouble than I'd expect at 62 nyx
I think I'm just not playing it as safely as I do aspects I'm more practiced with

one run was ended by a charyb feature </3 which. yeah. but then the others have just been too rough at the start to want to commit to

[whole mortar]

How do i rarify boon if i'm running keepsake tied to this god?

[edgy nacelle]

what rank is the keepsake, and what platform are you playing on?

[whole mortar]

Pc and it's on first rank

[edgy nacelle]

then right click, but at first rank you can only rarify common boons

at rank 2 you can turn rare epic, at rank 3 you can turn epic heroic

[whole mortar]

I know, that was the case. I got scorch for attacks (common rarity) and i had hestia's keepsake but i had no idea how to rarify it

ty

Do i need to rarify it while choosing boons?

[edgy nacelle]

yup! when the boon selection screen shows up a little "rarify" button should subtly flash at the bottom

tbh for hestia it's often more worth it to save your rarify for pyro technique, tho

ooookay, time to call it a night, I'm just doing worse each run at this point lmao

take care all

[flint widget]

THERE IT IS

SUB 10 MEDEA 50 FEAR BABY

[spark crown]

Can't end on a loss :P

[brisk basalt]

i watched a video mentioning that aspect of pan got nerfed from early access, what was the nerf(s)?

[spark crown]

Uhhhhhhh wasn't the only need that splash got a icd

[clever drum]

Nah, the nerf is you are rooted in place longer if you channel extra knives; the poseidon thing also happened but I believe got reverted in 1.0

[spark crown]

I think splash still has a slight icd like .1 or .2 seconds

[clever drum]

I think it still does, but it doesn't affect Pan omega spesh

[drifting inlet]

i can send my card setup to sm that know good build?

to get u opinion

[digital juniper]

yep, feel free to

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck you can use this website to show it too

[dreamy veldt]

What did they diagnose splash with?

[small river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1440725307194609789/2061891.JPG?ex=691f3380&is=691de200&hm=8929e0cefc66409476d764d894e3425b3faea43d1b429cc65b3dd172d4d70e53&

I bruteforce'd Typhoon/Prom lmao

(i added Negate Wards)

[gaunt escarp]

Whaaaat noooo that suuucks

I activated Death after getting stalwart stand and it's making me use my normal death defiances before Athena's

Oh wait nevermind

I went to the next chamber and they switched places

[bronze flax]

I had a pretty fun Hel build with Air Quality, Static Shock and Support Arrow

Not sure how I took that much damage against Cerberus and I died

[gaunt escarp]

Strange how it doesn't break the last rank of scars into two. Instead of having two ranks that give -25% for one rank each, it gives one rank with -50% that gives 2 heat. It would have been pretty much the same just offered slightly more flexibility

[hallow cobalt]

so like wait, if i unlock aspect of moros, i dont even get its effect until i level it up ONCE???

[flint widget]

yeah

literally same thing with all other aspects and weps lmao

[hallow cobalt]

what do

thats a lie because supay lvl 1 bonus is 10%

[flint widget]

shouldve clarified i was referring to full potential

[flint widget]

same thing with mel staff, medea, etc

[hallow cobalt]

[opal pecan]

I don't think that's true? You still get the blast, it's just that leveling it up buffs the blast damage.

[digital juniper]

^

[fiery kraken]

just an idea, I found this helpful when playing with new aspects: https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide

could pin if a moderator is reading

[opaque holly]

How does renewed faith work? Only the replaced DDs are improved? Or all DDs?

[spiral wadi]

renewed faith recovers any missing dds and makes all death defiance effects stronger, even the ones not replaced
stalwart stand adds a location-based dd that takes priority over other death defiances

it also buffs tooth iirc

[opaque holly]

Oops ya wrong boon but yes renewed is what I meant lol

Thank you!

So renewed is good almost regardless of how many you’ve used

Even if just one, having 60% HP per DD is awesome

[spiral wadi]

ye it giga buffs effective hp

(wish there was a strength-based athena boon,,)

[bronze flax]

The buff is called "I can use her keepsake whenever I want instead of waiting until my DD is empty, which at that moment I'd be hopping for her to give me DD back"

But admittedly, it was a pretty long name

[cerulean panther]

So sometimes Cut Above just doesn't work with Supay, huh?

[hidden briar]

is a given attack's base damage and power the same thing?

[cerulean panther]

Yes.

[hidden briar]

alright, thank you

[dreamy veldt]

My special did 66667 damage 🙁

[tawny imp]

it doesnt proc again if theres a blade yet to fall

which means fast hitting omegas wont trigger it every single time it hits sometimes

[bronze flax]

So Coffin Nail seems like a must for multi-hit Omegas then?

[tawny imp]

yeah

[cerulean panther]

I know that. I had Coffin Nail. But sometimes enemies would take a consistent stream of swords and sometimes they'd sit in the Omega Special and only take accumulating Scorch.

[bitter bay]

First time running Morrigan and Winners Circle seems like a game winning boon with that aspect.
Omega cast feels a lot more reliable then attack and special to quickly trigger the big numbers.

[vernal quiver]

another day another hell of 65f surface 😔

i think i realized i was carried by circe for my 62f since i get really reckless on surface, ive had a few runs get to prom tho so thats nice

[cerulean panther]

Yeah, Cut Above doesn't like some enemies sometimes.

I don't know what's causing it.

[visual roost]

If u pick like a Hestia keepsake, and dont use it, will the effect that her boons are more likely to appear persist across regions?

[uneven palm]

The game forcing the next boon to be the keepsake god only happens while the keepsake is equipped, and stops once you've taken a boon from that god

[whole mortar]

Is one of items you can buy in charon's well locked behind relationship lvl?

I hate when during chronos fight he mixes his insta-kill attack with different ones that makes room emit so bright light and emit so flashing/dark colors that it's impossible to notice "Safe circle", i died third time in row due to that

[bitter bay]

So it's like in Hades 1? For example if I have Hestia Keepsake, get offered Hestia and Zeus but take Zeus the next time a boon is offered it's Hestia again.

[digital juniper]

yes

[opaque holly]

This is useful when its desired god vs hammer and I take the hammer…god shows up next room which is great

I’ve had that happen more than once and it would suck if you just lost that effect

Unrelated — How much gold are onions worth with time piece? Those damn “don’t get hit” troves that I always lose make me sad

[signal coral]

150

[uneven palm]

It’s like the lowest amount you can get from Time Piece. It’s nice to get something out of an onion but also you can do better

[vernal quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912456622440325213/1440834364765114490/image.png?ex=691f9911&is=691e4791&hm=8b59048b7b994e8834ada62d1e9906005f87fd0bc752ccd451d4520b598529f2&

so youre telling me theres a chance

this run got carried by origination into thessaly tbh but still

[proper cloak]

When people do 65 fear are they reducing the arcana vow?

[vernal quiver]

Yeah everything maxed + void 3

[proper cloak]

What arcana do you get to take in that situation

[vernal quiver]

generally you take strength and persistence so you can activate judgment

strength so you actually have some damage output and persistence so you dont get one shot by a normal enemy

[proper cloak]

Judgement being optimal on high fear sounds 😬 annoying

[vernal quiver]

Only at 65, since you only have 6 grasp to work with anyway

62 you dont even touch void

And honestly its not that bad, the chance you dont get origination until the final area can be frustrating but otherwise its kinda fun

[proper cloak]

I have no concept of how hard high fear is. I've done 32 a few times and found it pretty easy, never pushed higher

[whole mortar]

Do keepsakes work during chaos trials?

[edgy nacelle]

you should try it some time 👀
40>45>50>55>62, go crazy

[proper cloak]

Scars + pain sounds like one of the most annoying things to deal with on high fear

[vernal quiver]

your biggest enemy tends to be the timer, since once you get to like 50+ youre adding hoards and grit so timer becomes a massive issue, but imo up to like 45-50 you can just skill and knowledge diff everything

[edgy nacelle]

yes but also some (many) chaos trials will equip you with a specific one as soon as you enter, so you may not get to choose

you can also rank them up during chaos trials, which is nice

[digital juniper]

can confirm, i cleared 50 and im bad at the game

[proper cloak]

You don't know bad at the game until you see my friends play

[digital juniper]

aye as long as they're having dun

[proper cloak]

I have a friend who is convinced that it is impossible to do 0 fear polyphemus consistently without taking damage

[whole mortar]

So chaos is confirmed animal hater since you can't bring familiar with you to chaos trial 😭

I knew that chaos is landlord or someone even worse

[proper cloak]

Chaos is allergic

[whole mortar]

nah, chaos is landlord (or are they?) Is chaos considered to be non-binary in hades 2 lore?

[meager bramble]

You almost definitionally are not lol

[proper cloak]

chaos' gender is unimportant and irrelevant so people usually use gender neutral pronouns

i would say chaos' gender is "yes"

[whole mortar]

So so i guess we can call chaos non binary then

[digital juniper]

yeah it was mostly joking. in terms of the general playerbase i'm not bad, but playing at 50f genuinely makes me feel like im bad haha

[edgy nacelle]

chaos auto-assigns you a familiar for some trials, no…?

[meager bramble]

Chaos is 100% of the time in-game referred to with they/them pronouns, so people who aren't the worst will do that lol

[whole mortar]

The one i did had no familiars so i did not know

Oh, i had no idea how strict is limit of words we can use here

[edgy nacelle]

yeah
chaos is never explicitly referred to as non-binary, but they are absolutely canonically “they/them” and never any other pronoun, regardless of what label you want to assign to that

[proper cloak]

tbf i dont think most people are paying so much attention to pronouns, sometimes people just use whatever comes to mind if they dont have the context

[edgy nacelle]

zagreus even calls them a “gentlebeing” which is 1. adorable, and 2. very much going out of his way to avoid gendered terms lol

[proper cloak]

also hades (game) is very gay

[vernal quiver]

i mean yeah i just did 65f and the amount of times i got hit by poly and eris makes me feel bad 😭

[proper cloak]

so uh nonbinary representation !!!

i guess?

[meager bramble]

Funny how that happens solely when characters don't use binary pronouns 🙃

Don't hear anyone being like "Oops I wasn't paying attention to Mel's pronouns, thought they were he/him"

[proper cloak]

characters get misgendered all the time when they use binary pronouns(?)

[edgy nacelle]

the distant sound of deltas runing in the background

[digital juniper]

no lovers is very stinky tbh

[whole mortar]

No way, next you gonna tell me that Zagreus is gae!!!

He would never

[proper cloak]

zagreus? gay? unthinkable. unimaginable.

[vernal quiver]

True but like I shouldn't have to rely on lovers 😔 i say as if im ever gonna do 65f again or try for 67f

[proper cloak]

cant believe i sat through this filth, 10/10

[edgy nacelle]

only dionysus would do this /affectionate
“woah Zag… you’ve changed… I like it” trans affirming oblivious king ily

[whole mortar]

Zagreus would never be gay because he's bi

[digital juniper]

im now doing 56 (max scars and pain) and i now know i really am bad because i havent made it to sirens once yet

[digital juniper]

yeah i genuinely laughed out loud when Dio said that LMAO

[edgy nacelle]

the one two punch of “woah uhhh bulge??? how is this the official art-“ and then dio assuming Mel is post transition Zag made me cackle, such an unhinged introduction to his character

[whole mortar]

Guys stop using acronym Dio, my first thought is always DIO from Jojo when i see that 😭

I'm still waiting for mod that makes chronos yell ZA WARUDO while doing slow motion

[edgy nacelle]

ZA GREUS

[whole mortar]

ABSOLUTE OLYMPUS

[vernal quiver]

Insane choice I dont think i even touched pain until my 55 -> 62 jump and scars stayed at 2 till then too 😭

[proper cloak]

are there transgender characters in popular greek mythology?

i know theres plenty of historical examples of real people during that time but idk if its in the myths

[edgy nacelle]

it’s good training if you plan on 62 tho
like how turning on rivals 4 at low fear makes it harder but also makes pushing higher a lot easier 🤷
I turned max scars on for 54 to get used to it ASAP, wish I did the same for pain tbqh

[silent crow]

theres a girl who wanted to be a boy so she could love a girl and then iris turns her into a boy

[proper cloak]

i think iris should have just expressed gay positivity smh

[meager bramble]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiresias

[digital juniper]

its because i recognize that movement is by far my weakest point. max scars and pain forces me to git gud at it. i dont care much for a 56 clear more than the practice im getting with it

[edgy nacelle]

goddess of the rainbow failing to be gay affirming is…. admittedly kind of funny

[vernal quiver]

Ahh okok yeah makes sense :3

[austere trail]

misgendered in the wiki page 🥀

[whole mortar]

The beginning shadow trials are not that bad, but i'm scared to think about what the later ones may look like

[silent crow]

they dont get that hard imo

[vernal quiver]

yeah none of the chaos trials are hard i dont think ive ever failed one lmao, only ones id say can be rough is great chaos above/below if you get a mean fear setup

[signal coral]

I have lost great chaos

Sometimes you just get the worst combo ever and you are not good enough to compensate

Haven't lost any of the other trials

Though Shiva and supay trials are probably the hardest ones?

Also antler trial if you are bad at that maybe

[whole mortar]

After doing trial with aspect of charon i'm starting to think that this aspect is not that bad itself

[vernal quiver]

charon is one of the more fun axes imo, wards will always make every axe feel bad though 😔

[whole mortar]

Wards? What do you mean

[vernal quiver]

the fear vow, enemies get to eat 2 hits for free

its one of axes biggest issues in high fear from what ive seen

[edgy nacelle]

I feel like charon has the easiest time with wards tho tbh

every hit of its combo deals very high damage, and with any cast boon your combo does at minimum 3 hits (potentially more if an enemy gets hit more than once by your Ωspec)

[signal coral]

I have a solution

Simply see zeus

[edgy nacelle]

and then there's giga cleaver/exceptional talent, and arctic gale which goes very hard...
the other axes can grab psychic whirlwind or seething marauder or static shock tho ofc
but it's not as simple as like. "literally any cast boon"

[whole mortar]

How did you guys get your first nightmare?

[opal pecan]

Probably just slapped on Time 1.

[edgy nacelle]

uhhh idr. on this save file def time 1
on my first save it might have been menace or return tho
or wards because I"m an idiot (don't do wards)

[whole mortar]

How does it work? Do i get one nightmare for each point of fear?

[edgy nacelle]

in h1 my go-to heat was the equivalent of hordes and wards even at like. <5 heat. which is 1. stupid, 2. idiotic, and 3. a bad idea

[opal pecan]

The Testaments (bounties) give you set amounts of Nightmare based on sort of broad brackets of Fear level. So, for the first couple of Testaments per weapon, it's only one Nightmare per Testament completed (regardless of the specific Fear level). Then after a certain threshold it becomes two, and so on.

However, you can always be getting Nightmare from the Broker or Charon.

I got most of mine from those non-Testament sources tbh.

[opaque holly]

Is there a good resource for how boons grow with poms? Idk if wiki up to date

[whole mortar]

So to be able to claim bounty i need to kill marked boss while having required amount of fear? Does not matter what vows i use for it?

Or do i eventually end up being forced to enable all vows anyway?

[edgy nacelle]

with the right weapon, too
and it doesn't matter which vows you choose, so choose whichever seem easiest or most fun to you

[opal pecan]

The max level of Fear that you will ever be asked to do by a Testament is 20F.

[whole mortar]

Ty, but where on testament/vows menu i can see how many nightmares will i get from current bounty? Or is it always 1?

[edgy nacelle]

the most fear you'll ever have to turn on to farm nightmares is 20
the most fear the game rewards you for at all is 32
the max is 67. so you never have to turn on every vow unless you personally want a challenge

[whole mortar]

What's the reward for doing more than 20 fear runs?

[opal pecan]

Your own smug satisfaction for beating a challenge.

[edgy nacelle]

something cosmetic, to avoid spoilers
nothing super important, but it's a decent goal

[opal pecan]

Oh, the 32 thing, right 😆 Hah.

[whole mortar]

If i somehow do 32 from the very beginning, will i get anyway? Even if that would be my first fear run?

[opal pecan]

No, you'll just screw yourself out of the middle rewards.

[whole mortar]

If so then watch me fail miserably 1000 times finish it right now

Ok, i'll start my first fear run from wards

[opal pecan]

at least it's not Void

[edgy nacelle]

in general with fear, you'll only be rewarded for things the game is explicitly asking you to do in the vow menu

you can also start buying nightmare directly from the shop after getting some from runs, which speeds things up

[whole mortar]

I'm always short on bones (somehow)

[edgy nacelle]

the easiest vows are for sure like.... time, hubris, menace, return?
wards is annoying but less of an issue on certain weapons

[whole mortar]

I don't think that my 18 bottles of bath water is an issue

[opal pecan]

Thirst after those Graves

[whole mortar]

https://i.imgur.com/uIn0Mju.png Or maybe that's due to ambrosia? Nah, no way

[opal pecan]

At least the Ambrosia is/was usable in more situations lmao

[whole mortar]

I stopped buying bath water some time ago but i still got too many

[opal pecan]

DLC that does absolutely nothing except let you use the Fishing Pier and Hot Springs again (there's no special dialogue, you just chill out and use the gift item)

[edgy nacelle]

hotsprings scene with frinos
with a lil tangerine balanced on his head like a capybara

[whole mortar]

Hot springs scenes were not really a scenes, just an extra dialogue 🙁

I fully expected nemesis to bathe in armor btw

[glass bone]

I know I’m late, but… as someone who atm has cleared 7/8 unique axes at 62 fear, axes are a feast or famine type weapon

You either hit everything, or get super disappointed and destroyed

Charon less so than the other three, but it still acts that way just because of it relying on a gain.

[fiery kraken]

when people are talking about clearing X fear, is it primarily UW or OW or either?

[fierce citrus]

heph isent worth it when I have apollo demeter and posiden right? (im playing moros)

[hollow stag]

How is Medea Skull with Looming Ignition?

[glass bone]

It can be either or.

My comment there was both Surface and Underworld

Out of all of the “unique” axe 62 clears, the one I am missing is Thanatos 62 Surface

That’s not to say Thanatos is the worst of the axes. It just means I haven’t gotten the skill + luck yet to clear it, although I was really close || (reached Babality in one run)||

[glass bone]

Do you plan on taking a blast boon?

All 3 of the duos between Heph and them relate to Blasts.

The other reason to take Heph outside of Blasts is the armor, which may or may not be worth it.

[fierce citrus]

i ended up taking it I kind of regret it but its first run of the day im not expecting to win (i didnt take blast took armour)

[whole mortar]

I finished my first fear run and i took wards, it was not as bad as i thought

[glass bone]

Wards imo is not a bad vow to take for most aspects, but it can be troublesome on some aspects in tandem with Timer and Hordes.

[whole mortar]

Can i just die after i finished required bounty?

[fierce citrus]

yea if you want

[signal coral]

High fear i basically always take heph when he shows

I am bad and having trusty shield makes me slightly less bad

[glass bone]

This, but also Poseidon

In Surface, several 62s have won because I Sea Star’d hard

I would double the HP, and then double the gold for more boons and HP

[fierce citrus]

yea thats my thought process but only really having posiden as a damage dealer is meh like I want one more

and I got snow queen from dem so I was thinking to not take heph but just ended up just taking him

i feel like this is a dumb question but does taking hera keepsake deminish chrolex chargers?

[opal pecan]

1. What are the requirements for Fates' Whim?
2. Is Hera's keepsake an Olympian summoning keepsake?

[fierce citrus]

yea I knew the answer but just wanted to make sure 100 percent