h2-builds-and-combat

[edgy nacelle]

for other aspects there are only specific apsects which want to use magick (i.e. charon) but for torches... I mean you can do no magick supay 🤷 but the other three want at least some magick usage
and 2/4 of them want constant omegas

but then again, just learn the joy of fine lines spam <3

[flint widget]

yo im back from school what did I miss

[unreal urchin]

i’m sorry what is supay i’m new to the community 😭

[edgy nacelle]

me mentioning you ~1m ago

[broken spoke]

You missed cursed vow setup ig

[edgy nacelle]

fourth torch aspect, the hidden one! you may not have it yet

[junior trail]

metal and his galaxy brain strikes yet again

[unreal urchin]

ooooo okay yes i don’t have any fourth aspects yet

[flint widget]

what special spamming is viable for mel torches

[hollow briar]

We did have a boatload of 62 clears with Mel yesterday

[unreal urchin]

i bought the game like a week ago and have been grinding as hard as i can because i loved the first game lol

[edgy nacelle]

it's viable but when I mentioned in discussion that that's how you use them essentially everyone was shocked lmao

[junior trail]

well yeah mel coat is safe in high fear ofc

[edgy nacelle]

at least of the people who were online at the time

[tall notch]

I'm not too big on Supay because it doesn't play like a torch (and has a really slow early game)

[flint widget]

ok ngl thats crazy

i hate attack spam for mel torches ngl

[edgy nacelle]

you hate attack spam for all torches lol so that's no surprise

[flint widget]

with special spamming you at least have movement

[junior trail]

we have exhaust at home:

[edgy nacelle]

but usually the problem people have with Mel torches is forgetting to use the specials rather than only using them ("people" i.e. new players in my experience)
also you have movement with attack too 🤷 torch movement is fun on every aspect tbh

[hollow briar]

It kinda blows vs. Wards without specific support options or Hammers, but otherwise I don’t mind it much

[tall notch]

Attack spam torches are like h1 fists but ranged, how can y'all not love it?!

[hollow briar]

Eos with Spesh spam however…

[flint widget]

but i barely played h1 so

[unreal urchin]

i know this probably isn’t the appropriate channel but where would i find S•Reeds? is that a seed above prometheus?

again i’m so sorry for asking in the wrong channel i just know yall are active lol

[edgy nacelle]

this channel or discussion are both fine tbh
those are on the summit iirc? surface final area

[junior trail]

serpent reeds comes from the summit, seed resource

[flint widget]

anyways its the end of the school week for me, time to grind 65 surfaces for the rest of the week

[unreal urchin]

okay thank you so much!!! i’ve only beaten prometheus once with help of the evil eye so i will need to have a good build and play smart!

[flint widget]

fumbled at promacles so hard even tho i had the best build possible 😭

i even had strength on

[unreal urchin]

i felt like i was good at the first game and never got to like 10 heat 😭

that’s how i know i’m a casual smh

[edgy nacelle]

tbh I never got past ~12 heat in the first game and now in this one I recently cleared 62 lol, it's just kind of addictive

but ask questions here whenever, ppl are usually online and pretty good at answering

[unreal urchin]

this one is sooooooo much more addictive than 1

[broken spoke]

Being more balanced and having 2 route help

[flint widget]

after im done with 65 surface im probably gonna do mom skull 62 and nyx coat 62 next

[unreal urchin]

i’m big on E33 for GOTY but i hope Hades 2 at least gets a nomination!

[edgy nacelle]

honestly it's just a stacked hear for games, and indie games in particular

my computer can't play E33 😔 which is sad cause I think I'd like it

[whole charm]

whats the best gain for Medea? Also i think im liking it a little better after ive actually upgraded the damn thing

[edgy nacelle]

Medea doesn't use magick rly, unless you get possessed array, so... barely batters

[junior trail]

no possessed: glamour, grisly
+possessed: born, flood

[edgy nacelle]

the best gain without p.array is probably like. idk, aphrodite for origination? heph for damage reduction?
wi- yes, ditto what pond said

[junior trail]

but glamour means no the huntress so hm

[edgy nacelle]

possessed array is a daedalus hammer upgrade, btw

[edgy nacelle]

yeahhh glamour is like. I like it if I prime out lol
otherwise weird opportunity cost

[whole charm]

I see, i was just running out of mana in encounters (mainly because i have the one fear thing that gives enemies two extra hits lmao)

[edgy nacelle]

how are you using magick? since again, Medea kinda shouldn't use any unless you get a specific hammer upgrade

Medea's aspect bonus buffs non-omega attack and special, so you just attack+special into enemies over and over again, and only rly channel between waves or to proc huntress

[whole charm]

ohhh im so stupid

ive been omega specialing

[edgy nacelle]

OH. I mean you can do that
but there's no particular reason to

another thing ppl often do "wrong" is that you almost always want to just load one attack into your weapon at a time

[whole charm]

yeah ive been doing that after i heard somebody say it here lol, i used to absolutely load every single shell lmao

[edgy nacelle]

like uhhh. warning: unrelatably good gameplay, but the speedrun world record is with Medea and you can watch that to get an idea of how it plays
lots of spamming dash and attack+special combos, Ωattack only sometimes
https://youtu.be/NAzay5qH0aI?si=LNgSYZmeEOIDjZsn
if you want to watch like a room or two it can give you an idea of how the weapon moves

[whole charm]

jesus i feel like a snail whenever i watch speedruns lmao, especially for this game

[edgy nacelle]

SAME

[whole charm]

i think i get it now though, thank you

[edgy nacelle]

I can get a decent time for a casual attempt, but watching Foolish (who is on this server sometimes) makes me feel like the time slow hex is permanently on in my game 💀

but also, dash + special to move fast is very fun on skull lol, highly recommend

[whole charm]

i would be like literally the bottom on the leaderboard i take like 30 minutes in a run

[edgy nacelle]

I mean tbh if you know what you're doing you could almost certainly get a 9-10 minute clear, I'd say

only 8 fear (ones that speed things up), take specific keepsakes to save time, take rooms that pause the timer, open the menu when deciding which door to take... idk, you can zoom if you know what the right things to do are

[whole charm]

with moros or anubis if i locked in probably could somewhere around there, but im also still like reading everything so i dont wanna miss out on peak lore

[edgy nacelle]

oh!! I mean tbh even then, timer is paused during dialogue

[whole charm]

Oh yeah i forgot timer pauses lmao

[edgy nacelle]

timer pauses a lot
any room where an NPC shows up and helps fight like artemis/nemesis/icarus
shops
fountain rooms between regions
during boon selection screens and dialogue
etc etc

[tall notch]

I don't know how I've pulled off a sub-6 with Moros and I don't think I'm ever gonna replicate it

[edgy nacelle]

ooh... I only have one sub-6 and idk if or when I'll do better tbh. maybe when I get better at medea

I think I'm also just worse at speeds than fear, not that I'm amazing at high fear either lol

[tall notch]

I like to take my runs slow, can't help it

[edgy nacelle]

same... or timer 3 levels of slow, at least

[tall notch]

Yesterday I've had a 5:40 Hecate kill with Mel staff

[edgy nacelle]

omg
what fear lol, was this 62?

[tall notch]

Yeah a 62

[edgy nacelle]

did you lose DDs to timer

I mean I'd assume, 40s is... a lot of time to damage tank even if the rest of the fight is hitless

[tall notch]

Yes and then I died in room 1 of Oceanus before Athena showed up

[edgy nacelle]

I mean I think I literally did that for my winning 62 lmao, gorgon amulet oceanus

• awful hecate timer, altho not 40s levels of slow

also unrelated, is there anything notably fun to do with nergal other than just reset for psychic whirlwind lol?
it's up next for surface 40s max rivals all aspects and I.... am not a fan of the bonk stick, but want to enjoy it

[tall notch]

You can look at my Nergal vod, i didn't get psychic until fields and bonked my way through Erebus and Oceanus with rapid hack

https://youtu.be/FRNS2rhjYm8

[nimble lichen]

bro did erabus in 3 mins 🥀

[edgy nacelle]

~1:13 in game time too 💀 insane stuff

my best erebus is usually like.... 1:40 in game time, altho it's also my least consistent region tbh

and then he tears through every other area much faster than I can lmaoooo

[nimble lichen]

my least consistent region is thessaly, cuz charybdis and eris are very hard bosses for me, idk why tho

[nimble lichen]

yeah i am still watchig the run, hes fast

[edgy nacelle]

oh I mean for underworld in terms of going fast lol, I cannot get erebus consistently under 1 minute in game time
I have't tried to do casual speedrun attempts for surface yet at all lol

[edgy nacelle]

he also recently got the world's first 67 fear surface iirc? guy is cracked

[nimble lichen]

he just picked white antler 🥀

[nimble lichen]

i mean in clearing, thessaly takes 2 or all my DDs and i gotta put on the athena keepsake for olympus

[digital juniper]

<1 minute IGT?

or do you mean not counting hecate?

[edgy nacelle]

oh sorry <2

mid run and fully just wrote the wrong number lol, only half tuned into chat

[digital juniper]

yeah i was hella confused for a sec cuz ive only ever seen one <1 min erebus LMAO

and you could never guess who got that!

[edgy nacelle]

lmao gee I wonder

[edgy nacelle]

<3 I'm so addicted to that thing lmaooo
spend 300 hours of my save being scared of it and now I want to click it even when that's an awful idea

oookay, done for the night
should finish all aspects 40f before the weekend, then I need a new goal
could try for sub-7 or sub-8 UW and sub-....some reasonable time SF I guess? or 62 surface, or another 62 UW
but I like having a goal...

[tall notch]

Have you done all weapons 62 already?

[edgy nacelle]

I've only done one 62 total 😅

so all weapons 62 UW might be a reasonable thing hm, instead of a surface 62 next

prob Eos, Circe (or Anubis...?), Morrigan (or maybe pan but idk about that), and then tbh no idea which for coat and skull, I play them the least overall
maybe Hel and Nyx...? or Pers and Mel. idk

[digital juniper]

gotta be either a 62 on other aspects, 62 surface, or pushing your speed time now

you could do something like 50f all aspects but like…why lmfao

might aswell do them 62s

[edgy nacelle]

yeah lol no interest in 50 all aspects rn

40f with max rivals is good enough 🤷

[digital juniper]

i think a fear goal could be like all weapons 62

1 aspect per weapon

[edgy nacelle]

I think that sounds pretty reasonable...? will be a headache tho, getting 62 at all took a while

[digital juniper]

or you could just do your favourite aspects

[edgy nacelle]

but maybe easier after all this practice tbh, doing like 4-6 white antler runs vs rivals gramps makes him WAY less scary

[digital juniper]

i know you were pushing with circe before getting the clear on charon, maybe get your redemption there👀

[edgy nacelle]

I'll prob aim for one of each weapon first...?
circe and eos I have a lot of high fear practice with, and anubis has a 50 randomly but idr when that happened

the other weapon types kinda scare me tho ngl

I love morrigan but idt I'm good at it, and then skull and coat I'm kind of at a loss which I'd pick

[digital juniper]

nyx and medea very obviously

incoming Coldshade with the Hel propaganda

[digital juniper]

mel blades cleared a 67 TK-less so👀

[edgy nacelle]

yes but I suck at mel blades
or. well. maybe that's unfair

[digital juniper]

just hit TK and you won tbh

[edgy nacelle]

but my 40f runs with mel blades were both just "heph blast on special and ignore the weapon" lol

and also I want to play a LOT more medea, very into it lately, but idk about 62s
are you doing medea high fear lol? maybe if you are I'll just succumb to peer pressure, but

scary skull, scary risky dangerous skull smh

[digital juniper]

i am but i’m also not really at high fear yet

i’m at 50 rn

i make it to gramps consistently but gramps got hands

(i’m just horrible at p3)

but dangerous weapon still good

[edgy nacelle]

p3 is rough yeah... some runs p2 gets me more tho and I walk away confused

altho hm. I think that's just deep dissent + high burst damage? maybe?

[digital juniper]

#1051942150025269309 message all the proof you need

[edgy nacelle]

627 damage to chronos is hilarious and relatable lmao

honestly all the skulls felt decent at 40 tbh... like for coat I am sure as hell not doing selene or shiva 62 lol so I have some direction there

[digital juniper]

yeah he literally never faced chronos (or cerb!) with medea and still got the clear

[edgy nacelle]

omg??? yeah ok that's insane, I didn't get that context

[digital juniper]

have you not seen the second picture? LMFAO

he has 3 runs on medea…ever

[edgy nacelle]

I saw the first and got distracted going through details LMAO

also speaking of medea

[digital juniper]

#1051942150025269309 message

[edgy nacelle]

not doing it tonight but it's one of the weapons I still need to do 40f surface with
since it'll be more of a fun run than a tryhard one, are there any wacky less typical builds for it you'd recommend?

[edgy nacelle]

lmfao wow

[digital juniper]

heinous light smite is funny but it’s also like the strongest build for it not counting possesed

[edgy nacelle]

but idk, may as well do something more unusual just to mess around before I take it any higher
esp since my underworld run was like.... the most absurdly optimal jpom rng lol, if you remember that one

[digital juniper]

i know hitch attack is meta but it’s also so fun because it’s insane at applying hitch

[edgy nacelle]

I mean I love heinous, never mad at a heinous run even if it's p familiar

I'll mess around, might just jpom it and see what ephyra gives me 🤷

rn it's just thanatos, hel, medea, and pan left to do, then some new goal
and the priority is fun runs tbh, unless I actively dislike the weapon lol

[digital juniper]

for than go full spin2win and shoot for apollo leggo out of ephyra

could do rerolls instead of jpom because funny build

[edgy nacelle]

hell yeah, that's the plan tbh since I used to do a lot of hack and slash no Ω than
I've been using rerolls for plenty of runs at 40f just to do fun antics

I spent over an hour trying to reset for whispered prayer + lunar ray + apollo in ephyra, with rerolls, then gave up cause no artemis at all 💀

she had over 20 opportunities to show up since I'd reroll to get 4 rooms she can show up in per attempt. but nope

[digital juniper]

i just saw a boated video doing that LMAO

[digital juniper]

don’t forget that resetting seed nukes her pity

[edgy nacelle]

that's why I wanted to mess with it lol, for my shiva surface run

[edgy nacelle]

ikkkk it's just a pain to do lol

and then ofc the one time I went "you know what? sure I'll take wolf howl, wouldn't it be funny if she showed up in the next room-" guess what happened

[digital juniper]

LMFAOOOO

[edgy nacelle]

some other time lol

[digital juniper]

the fates can be cruel my friend

[edgy nacelle]

they sure can 💀

but exceptional talent than sounds fun
and thennn. hm

idt I can make 40f Ωatk Hel work no matter how hard I try
would love to do something unique but... eh

maybe I'll just air quality with rerolls and fish for success rate + reckless abandon cause funny
or do splash I guess, I think I did scorch for UW. just thinking out loud tho

[whole charm]

hey so i beat scylla on 10 fear to curse the pearl and mel just gave up while doing the curse wtf

[manic shuttle]

Mel is like that

[edgy nacelle]

that's an intended story thing! you did what you needed to
if unsure how to proceed, ||go back to circe and see if mel has anything to say to her about it 👀||

[whole charm]

oh thank god

[nimble lichen]

i did get lunar ray+apollo in my last 2 runs

[edgy nacelle]

lunar ray + apollo isn't too hard to fish for, I got it 5 or 6 times I think
the issue is meeting artemis on the surface (and getting her boon that makes hexes have crit rate)

[nimble lichen]

gl with that 🥀

[edgy nacelle]

artemis can only spawn in ephyra, and only in max health/magick rooms, and even then it's just a small chance for her to show up, and heracles can show up too sigh

I gave up lol, just did a normal shiva run instead

hex runs are fun af tho

[flint widget]

proms flame punches have actual aimbot wtf

got hit by one of em even when i was like a bajillion lightyears away from prom

did bro get the hacks from clara

[flint widget]

i remember getting a sub minute erebus exit too cuz like i got the most amount of skips in the history of mankind

got nem, got arty, got fountain, got arachne, got midshop

actually legendary erebus wtf

[digital juniper]

yep pretty much lmao

[strong jay]

Is there an actual reason to run judgement lol

I ran it for a while for randomized runs but realised why not run a normal jeweled pom build instead

I don’t even pay attention to which arcana cards get activated from judgement lol

[flint widget]

65 fear judgment runs, fulfilling the prophecy of winning a run with all arcana cards, yeah that's all i can think of lmao

[strong jay]

I’m goin back to a normal build then 😂

[flint widget]

yeah u should

judgment sucks ass for normal runs

[strong jay]

Early bosses felt really rough without a curated arcana build

[hollow stag]

How you use Medea's harm for the afflicted curse?

I don't understand its wording.

[digital juniper]

you dont exactly intentionally use it. you automatically get 50 extra damage per status curse you apply

but there's a certain internal cooldown for it i think

[hollow stag]

1 second?

[hollow stag]

Per curse?

[digital juniper]

yes

[hollow stag]

What curses benefit a lot from it?

[digital juniper]

something that is constantly re applied, like blitz i guess

passion rush’s weak

[dreamy veldt]

I had a dream last night that Heracles showed up in a room that he was already in so there was just two of them

[digital juniper]

it’s really not all that of a boon, but it’s not that bad either

[dreamy veldt]

And I just stood there and let them fight for me

Also medea curse thing sounds really bad to me

If the damage was like 200 sure

But 50?

[hollow stag]

It seems good with Zeus and Aphrodite

[dreamy veldt]

Zeus definitely since you can speed up the process

Since they have to not already have that curse to proc

Should I double vicious strike or lightning lance to level 8, or get an Aphrodite boon and pray for wispy wiles

Mel flames if that changes anything

I have hasty retreat at 10%

Eh I get wispy wiles like every run and more damage is fun

This Zeus Aphrodite duo is so crazy

I can just clear everything by doing special dash special dash special dash

[native blade]

Hello, I have a couple of questions about some terms, I noticed some boons and items that give bonus effects for special would sometimes buff Omega special and some that dont, is there any list of which ones are and which dont?
Also what is the difference between encounter and location?

[digital juniper]

for your first question, the wording will help you determine

if it’s “special” it’s your normal special only, not the omega special
if it’s specialS it’s both. same thing applies to attack and attacks

encounter and location are interchangeable terms (because each location has 1 encounter) except in the fields of mourning and the rift of thessaly, those have multiple encounters “different times you fight a group of enemy” in the same “location” which are separated by doors

[native blade]

I see thanks

[hollow stag]

Does Final Slice hammer affect every Attack on Morrigan?

[glass bone]

No

If you keep spamming attack, it is every other Attack (the one that stands in place)

[hollow stag]

So every 2nd Attack (half of its Attack Chain)

What would be its 2nd best hammer, boost Attack Power or Attack Speed?

[glass bone]

I would probably argue Attack Power if you are doing Final Slice spam

[true gust]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/459353369174081538/1438567734441935020/image.png?ex=69175a1b&is=6916089b&hm=16a8ff500b9db0a2335cc731b4fa225e5b3e18415d48cb4921669c17930013cc&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1448&height=813

yay new milestone 40fear done for the first time | Deskura Melinoe Aspect

[tawny imp]

what casts does charon want again

[glass bone]

I’d say ideally Solar or Tidal Ring

Engagement or Anvil Ring can also work, but not as well as the other two imo

[rare ermine]

How does anvil ring even work for charon?

Does it detonate all 3 hammers into 1 cast boom or…?

[glass bone]

The hammers still attack I think if the cast is not there. But I think if you place another cast down, it may remove the first one if it’s not done

Still, Anvils is a good amount of damage. Wish it could apply Glow, or be affected by any of Heph’s boons, but Blasts and Armor stacks are pretty strong, so…….

[rare ermine]

I think the only time where i would take anvil ring over any other cast boon is when i get a howling soul start

[tawny imp]

nova flourish or prom flare for charon

[glass bone]

Nova Flourish if you have two curses already (includes Gusts btw), also assuming you have no special boon period

[hollow stag]

Is Aphrodite Attack or Apollo Attack better for Morrigan Knives?

[austere trail]

if it's one or the other, I like getting apollo with his keepsake because back burner is super strong

(so that usually means I would get apollo atk)

[tawny imp]

honestly the goat for morrigan tho is hera

actually goes kinda crazy

[austere trail]

morrigan pops off with anything tbf

[native blade]

just did my first morrigan run, aphordite attacks + blood triad were the highest dps I ever had

[tawny imp]

a good morrigan run can change your life

i finally got the combo

medea projectile slow + hermes projectile slow

[arctic turret]

was literally just here to ask if I'm just crazy or if morrigan works with literally anything lmao

[opal pecan]

BTW, is there a reason why Heph blasts from Smithy Rush get counted under Rush for final damage tally, but also (other??) Heph blasts have a separate entry of their own?

[flint widget]

man, 65 fear surface sucks ASS

at least with underworld most of the enemies dont hit like a truck

with surface its the opposite

one hit and half of my hp is gone

while im running strength as well cuz no dd pull from judgment

[opal pecan]

Oh interesting, what cards do you use for your Judgment setup if you aren't guaranteeing yourself DDs?

[flint widget]

strength and persistence duh

strength instead of dds cuz getting full dds later on can make all the difference

[opal pecan]

Ahhh, like an early game difficulty vs late game difficulty consideration?

[flint widget]

plus it encourages you to have a good early game which i dont get most of the time

[tawny imp]

it does get buffed by supay

[flint widget]

yeah

[opal pecan]

So a little tweak/exception they had to do in order to make it buffable, basically?

[flint widget]

and im running one of the freest aspects of all time: mel staff

[tawny imp]

i guess thats what happened but idk

[opal pecan]

I wish I had gotten that build on my actual Supay run 😭

[tawny imp]

i gen cant figure out how to make use of mel staff but i should try it with my new fear setup

which takes off wards 2 for pain 1 grit 1

[flint widget]

even when i got like the perfect build i still got screwed over by promacles and still no goddamn dd pull from judgment

[opal pecan]

Do 65+F runners ever get desperate enough about arcana to run figurine over more immediately defensive keepsakes haha

[flint widget]

nah its just not worth it to get figurine over something like bones, onion or pin

[opal pecan]

Figured but the arcana situation does sound pretty pain

[flint widget]

after im done with 65 surface im running underworld for most of my high fear runs

[tawny imp]

heph with poseidon hestia and demeter

oh yeah

[flint widget]

this gonna take at least a week, ts so sad 💔 💔

[brisk basalt]

is wide grin considered good on medea skull? the damage was crazy but it felt super awkward, although to be fair it was my first time playing medea

[flint widget]

nah it sucks ass

it ruins the attack pattern of medea

[brisk basalt]

ok thx

[latent vault]

hey i'm trying to compile as many 2-3 god broken stuff i can pull off

i basically have been taking whatever gods i get in the first area, and trying to figure out what god i can force in the second area to make things go bonkers

like hestia+aphrodite+posidon for unlimited passive damage

or apollo+hera+hephestus, basically turning my mp into hp, having my mp tank 30%, and having my hp rebound 30%

i've already been working on a massive spreadsheet, now i wanna make a flowchart i can refer to so that i can optimize on the fly

[signal coral]

probably don't need to go that far
getting a ton of specific boons is hard so you probably want to be picking gods that are just baseline good for your weapon

if you want to figure out god synergies, mostly just look at whether their duo boon is strong for your current build or not
and also try to get your damage going first and then look to add some defense/safety to your build
if you need a guide the gods that offer significant defensive safety are heph > demeter > apollo/aphrodite

[latent vault]

oh this is by no means out of necessity, i simply just have moments like "whoops i'm bullying chronos, hang on a sec god of time while i pause to show my friends how im able to knock 1/16th off your health bar per hit"

[signal coral]

also its worth noting that among high fear players zeus is widely considered to be the best god and works for basically every weapon/build

it also helps that every single one of zeus's duo boons is very strong (except zeus/apollo which sucks)

[tawny imp]

every weapon except charon loooves zeus

[latent vault]

like, the duo boon for aphrotite and posidon, combined with aphrotite and hestia, legit allowed me to complete my first surface run as i just had to survive

[latent vault]

the moon axe that can spam it's omega special with apollo?

i had blitz on the special so it would proc itself

[indigo coyote]

out of curiousity, do people even run aspect of melinoe for any weapon?

[glass bone]

Yes

[opal pecan]

Every aspect is viable for normal play, and some Mel aspects are also considered BiS or otherwise fairly strong for their weapon even for challenge runs

[glass bone]

Specifically, for Mel Staff, and Mel Blades. Staff is considered the best high fear aspect in the game, and Blades is considered a solid aspect for high fear, but is competing / on par with Morrison

[opal pecan]

We had a whole flurry of high Fear clears getting posted yesterday for my beloved Mel coat too <3

[indigo coyote]

interesting, what builds do they run? for staff, cause i find meli's staff Special attk awkward to use for me

[glass bone]

Oh yeah, Mel Coat also

[glass bone]

Blitz Attack, % Special, Dual Moonshot

[indigo coyote]

what does %special mean in this case?

[opal pecan]

Stuff that gives you +xx% damage

[indigo coyote]

ahhh

[opal pecan]

But I will bet seven internet buckaroos that the issue isn't the boons you're picking, it's your playstyle

[glass bone]

Ares, Demeter, Hera, Apollo, and Aphrodite

[indigo coyote]

YEP

[opal pecan]

Even though the special is the one with the buff on Mel staff, it's not ideal to be, like, only spamming special or something

[indigo coyote]

i can assume %special is just to setup whatever duo you wanna go for?

[glass bone]

Playstyle for Mel Staff is spamming Dash Attack Special

[glass bone]

No duo required

[opal pecan]

The % is because the special has that high base power

[glass bone]

But ideally you could go for Thermal Dynamics if you did get exactly Blitz Attack, % Special, Hestia Cast

[deft whale]

if i get multiple heph armor boons as well as an arachne dress, will the boon armor take priority or the dress (i wanna get the steam achievement 🙁 )

[glass bone]

Or just supporting duos like Natural Selection, or Sun Worshipper

[opal pecan]

Arachne dress works by "as long as you never completely break your armor, you still have the dress"

So I guess you could consider it to be the very last 1 point of armor :P

[deft whale]

oh wait that's actually doable, thank you so much!

[opal pecan]

If you want to go FW, I recommend Silk Sash ofc

[glass bone]

Also if you want to maximize chances for the end at a small amount of risk at the start, you could take Silken Sash region 2 to take Hephaestus Keepsake Region 1

[sinful marlin]

Aspect of morrison

[indigo coyote]

Cool, would try meli staff, been spamming circe + cast build with staff, getting bored

[true gust]

wow Ive noticed that when you dash on deskura you can dash + special + attack and that attack will be dash attack because Melinoe does after special 4autos not 3 so the first strike is considered as dash attack

this is actually very good
dash attack does 30dmg
special does 80dmg

So when you dash + special + attack you do 110dmg
1hit is 25
2hit 30

3hit 60

3hits take you longer and it does only 115dmg
dash special attack is so fast and it does only 5dmg less

Ah wait I forgot you can also after 2hit do special before 3hit so it's 195dmg with special

You can just expend it and do longer combo like dash + special + 3xattack + special + final attack + special

its so smooth

It's also work when you charge omega special and while casting u press dash, dash activates omega special and when u attack its also considered as dash attack

[rocky spade]

well, i thought that selene resurrection spell is almoust usless, but now i defeat a kronos just because i resurrected his heal minion who healed me enouth to stand 3 stage

surprise

[hidden crane]

night bloom is great

as long as you actually have fodder enemies to res lol

though every boss should have ressable enemies at some point in them so

[rocky spade]

i was surprised when i ressurect one of the bosses in ocean

still not very usefull

but cool

(lamia)

[tawny imp]

night bloom destroys typhon

and can be pretty big on some fights like scylla or chronos

[vernal quiver]

It also eats the hecate curse, its a really versatile hex for how low investment it can be

[sinful marlin]

Exactly

[rocky spade]

what you mean "eats"?

[sinful marlin]

Use night bloom witch to eat the curse

[rocky spade]

eat?

use her like a bait?

or like a barrier?

or what?

[hidden crane]

it can take the projectile for you so that you don't have to worry about it

[rocky spade]

ah

understood

ty, don't think about it in that way

always think that the resurrected just inviseble

[true gust]

ye you can get achievement when you resurrect a Scyllas siren

@rocky spade

[rocky spade]

already done

[true gust]

Leytenant Susznyak

[rocky spade]

LT. thirst

[hollow stag]

If I have Ares on Morrigan Knives Special, does adding Zeus make sense?

Such as Static Shock as 5th God

[edgy nacelle]

do you also have apollo? heinous affront is great

I wouldn’t throw zeus in JUST for static shock tho prob, since I assume you’re thinking of taking zeus keepsake to get a 5 god pool.
there’s likely a better keepsake you could grab if you aren’t aiming for multiple things from zeus (i.e. static shock and blitz/storm ring)

[hollow stag]

Heinous Affront won't proc much with Ares on Special,

though I can try to get Ares and Hestia duo

[edgy nacelle]

it should tbh
you can only proc heinous affront once every 3 seconds per enemy, and you use your special often on morrigan for blood triads

[hollow stag]

Would you choose that over

Aphrodite cast and keep God pool at 4.

This is without Fate rerolls.

[edgy nacelle]

what’s your full current build right now? hard to say without more info tbh

i.e. if you have light smite already then I might just grab zeus tbh.
and if you don’t have a source of origination, then then aphro cast looks very tempting

[hollow stag]

Aprho Attack

Apollo Extra Dose

Secret Crush

Glowing Coal

Slow Cooker

Wait, I have Hades Unseen Ire from Pom.....

[edgy nacelle]

no magick regen yet?

[hollow stag]

Why do I need it?

I have Final Slice hammer

[edgy nacelle]

I might go aphro cast just because you don’t currently have a source of origination
unless you have blinding rush/glamour gain

ah see final slice hammer also changes things because then you have way less reason to use special

so I say no zeus 🤷

[hollow stag]

If I get Ares and Hestia duo though...

[edgy nacelle]

either way, prob prioritize aphro cast for origination, then see if you can grab the duo later

build seems generally fine tho, so there’s no wrong choice

[woeful moth]

Is supay 62able underworld in current state?

I tried and rage quit after the first encounter. The damage is ridiculous

[vernal quiver]

every weapon can 62f both routes iirc

i do think supay wants to use a different arcana setup than most others??

idr fully though so 😔 if someone wants to follow up with more info

[woeful moth]

oh, interesting. Never thought about it.

because i tried with new pom arcana setup and yeah...

[vernal quiver]

cant wait to start my 62f uw runs today(erebus timer will drive me insane and scylla will make me rip out my hair)

[opal pecan]

I am officially posting in h2 builds and combat for accountability purposes that I refuse to spend too much time trying to git gud at aspects that I simply don't enjoy when I am doing this Surface bit

This post brought to you by special hammers refusing to show up on an Anubis run

[true gust]

I hate supay

Moros>Eos>Melinoe>Supay

[woeful moth]

it used to be good

[true gust]

I don't care I just don't like how this aspect works

Maybe for some ppl this is the best aspect

[edgy nacelle]

supay REALLY wants to start with gigaros dash to feel decent these days (at high fear)

in general it just has a really rough early game, but once you get to region 2 and have a build in place it can manage just fine I’d say. just… bad boonless damage, which especially in erebus is a liability at high fear

[glass bone]

Yes, but I hate it

I tried out Surface 62 Supay. Timed out at ||the big men|| cause Night Bloom is nearly useless in that fight, and I had like a minute going in

The one thing I will say; outside of Gigaros Dash, the other big supporting boon is Nitro Boost

Considering how Supay works, Supay without NB and Supay with NB are night and day

[shy field]

Can anyone give any tips on unlocking the rest of Heracles’ affection track? I’m guessing I have to cream him in the kill competition, but the best I’ve ever gotten was 160g I think.

[glass bone]

Pick it up every time if you can

[edgy nacelle]

have you done the rivals versions of every boss fight?

[shy field]

No. I’ve just unlocked the third level. So that’s the key?

Thanks

[opal pecan]

You may have to persist at it for a while, btw.

He's not an easy guy to impress!

[edgy nacelle]

even after I did all the requirements he just took ages to give me the dialogue, too. grouchy man with high standards

[edgy nacelle]

btw, off topic but if you're still online:
if I decide to try to do UW 62 with one aspect of each weapon (not counting axe cause Charon done), any input on which aspects are safer choices...?

was talking to coldshade and six abt this a bit last night and I kind of want to make that my next goal but I'm not super sure what to aim for, or what the meta is on certain weapons

[glass bone]

Mel Staff / Circe, Mel Blades / Morrigan, Eos / Moros, Persephone, Nyx / Mel Coat

[edgy nacelle]

staff would for sure be circe, or maybe anubis since I've had some success with it ~50
torch would def be Eos since I got an inch from clearing anyway

ooh persephone for sure? interesting

skull is the one I was least sure about!

[glass bone]

Of the non-Medea skulls, yeah

Medea is stronger than Persephone, but it’s less safe to play

And requires a lot more skill, probably

[edgy nacelle]

I could try medea, I'm getting better at it, but... safety is an issue yeah lol

I was mainly debating between pers and Hel tbh

[glass bone]

Hel needs a high roll of Scorch / Wave Attack

[edgy nacelle]

any insight on nyx vs mel coat, also?
the others I have a good idea of what I want to start with 🤷

[glass bone]

Nyx is stronger, when it has a gain boon for larger encounters. Also Mel Coat is probably more flexible for builds, cause Nyx is basically just Special spam, but Mel Coat can either be Special Spam or Dash Attack spam

[edgy nacelle]

hmmm interesting. wasn't aware nyx was special spam over attack tbh, I don't play coat that often outside of fun runs

[glass bone]

The dash attack spam is specifically Scorch / Waves + Exhaust Rider

Although Blitz could also work, cause… Zeus

[edgy nacelle]

then I'll prob go nyx for flexibility, and since I tend to be better at range anyway

thank you! helpful info
four aspects left for surface 40s then I'm back to 62s, I think, so. good to know

[glass bone]

~~ I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Zeus. I try to play Scorch. My Blitz deals more damage. I try to play Poseidon. My Blitz deals more damage. I try to play Blast. My Blitz deals more damage. I want to play Demeter. Her best team has Zeus. I want to play Ares, Hera. They both want Zeus.~~

[edgy nacelle]

I tried to search the speedcord for "extended family" to confirm which gods count as boon givers for it earlier, and the results were like 6 people sending this copypasta lmao

[glass bone]

Well it’s in part because of me

I had a Mel Staff 62, directly supporting the copypasta, in the pb channel

[edgy nacelle]

lmao that would do it

honestly if I do all weapons 62 there's a chance charon will be the only run that has no zeus in it lol

[glass bone]

Also the thumbnail I made for that video, is just a screenshot of when I got Heaven Strike

No arrows. No pogs. Just Heaven Strike

[edgy nacelle]

what more clickbait do you need

[glass bone]

Also it genuinely was probably the easiest 62 I’ve done on Surface

Sub 18 minute clear. With Cinerary Circle

And also Heaven Strike common was earned midway through Thessaly

[opal pecan]

Y'all ever pick Zeus in Ephyra, he offers no Blitz boons, and then he stops showing up for 90% of the rest of the run until like the Summit

[edgy nacelle]

yes 😔

[silent crow]

good.

[glass bone]

That almost happened.

My clear had him offer me Heaven Flourish instead in Ephyra

[edgy nacelle]

or zeus offers both blitz boons + storm ring when I play circe and denial is on

[silent crow]

the goddamn line of mel staff clears with blitz attrack is so funny

[broken spoke]

I did tried zeus special on charon and somehow blitz+omega special combined is quite close with cast

[glass bone]

This one: #1051942150025269309 message

[silent crow]

Yep 💔

[edgy nacelle]

LMFAO. god

[glass bone]

Aw man… now I’m reminded of this one meme

[silent crow]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

[glass bone]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

Oh shoot…

[stable herald]

For me it's always Ares that shows up once then never again

[glass bone]

I’m just reminded of the fact that I and other people complained Mel Staff went from +60, to +40

And it’s a constant reminder

[edgy nacelle]

I still think the max magick is like..... extraordinarily underwhelming
ig it's a buff to huntress viability lol. but

thinking I had to find a way to take advantage of both aspect bonuses made me underrate new mel staff for a while lmao

[glass bone]

That

Imagine instead Mel Staff was +40 HP tho…

[edgy nacelle]

god. or just +50-60 power and no other bonus lol

[glass bone]

+60 power would put Mel Staff’s special damage at 100 exactly. Furies alone would proc Blitz instantly

[edgy nacelle]

also question: do the attack speed hammers do anything notable for mel staff?
I'm never sure, esp special speed feels underwhelming to me if I'm not channeling

[broken spoke]

+40 gold

[edgy nacelle]

+40 power and prime 40 magick and it would still be strong af tbh

[glass bone]

Idk. I just click Dual Moonshot and start blasting

[broken spoke]

Idt it do anything when dash strike special loop

[edgy nacelle]

I mean same, but sometimes it's giga moonburt, aetheric moonburst, and rapid thrasher and I can't tell if it does anything at all

[glass bone]

Ok actually, it would make a difference

Because at high fear, it’s technically ideal to do Dash Attack Attack Special on an enemy with Wards 2

[edgy nacelle]

oooh interesting

[glass bone]

I’d rather take Melting Swipe though

[edgy nacelle]

I'll have to practice that combo a bit, I just spam dash strike special lol

[glass bone]

The fact that Melting Swipe is +900 armor damage… crazy

[edgy nacelle]

yeah melting swipe is I think my second most picked hammer for mel staff runs, after dual moonshot

[glass bone]

I still think Melting Swipe would be the second most picked if it got cut by 3, or even 10

[edgy nacelle]

ig mirrored thrasher is also relevant, I just grab it less often since I don't always have a way to sustain it

[glass bone]

Idk if you knew this or not, but I have a note document of rebalance ideas for a mod I probably won’t or can’t make.

[edgy nacelle]

also thinking abt 62 nyx again: is it just splash/scorch special? or is blitz or even dmg% still fine?
ik the base damage is rather low, so

[glass bone]

I’m adding a Melting Swipe nerf to the list

[opal pecan]

You just gotta make puppy eyes at your hottest great-auntie until she comes knockin on the door with a basketful of cardio gain

[edgy nacelle]

I didn't know this, and a melting swipe nerf makes a lot of sense lmao

[edgy nacelle]

honestly grisly gain isn't the worst either, with multihitting
it's just.... sometimes static shock + trusty shield + snow queen at high fear is too alluring for me to avoid priming out my magick entirely

[glass bone]

Maybe it could be +100?

[edgy nacelle]

it could also just not be on the dash strike tbh, since putting it on the ideal combo tool is uh. very free

[opal pecan]

And here you were talkin down on the +max magick smh smdh

[edgy nacelle]

I mean +40 max magick is..... still less than static shock primes 😔

[glass bone]

Yeah but the fact that it is on dash attack is unique

[edgy nacelle]

true.... hm.
staff = dash attack
blades = special
torch = specials, I think?
axe = special
skull = special
coat = attack iirc, maybe attacks

[silent crow]

i suggested it have an internal cooldown

[glass bone]

Then it would have to be called “Melting Wallop” or “Melting Thrasher” by the standards of the hammer name system

[edgy nacelle]

ok why are they all special, actually, come to think of it

[silent crow]

trick knives at least

[glass bone]

No, this is Melting Swipe

[silent crow]

ah melting swipe is fairly broken too yea]

[edgy nacelle]

it could also keep the absurdly high 900 armor damage but be put on the third hit of the normal attack combo, i.e. the "crit on thrust" sword hammer from h1, so it's on a tool which isn't ideal to use against non-armored foes 🤷

[silent crow]

it could just be weaker the other armor hammers arent nearly as strong

[edgy nacelle]

tbh the easiest solution is just cut it down to like 300 or something

it's easily spammable and does not need to be that strong lol

[glass bone]

Ok I just double checked. Melting Shredder is actually on par with Melting Swipe

Because Shredder is 300x3 (Axe)

But also, that’s axe

It makes sense for Axe to deal the most damage, at the cost of attack speed

Or in this case, AoE (cause Special is fairly short range for Axe moves)

[vernal quiver]

oh im goated hitless hecate with dodging the curse and a minute left on timer

its not the rare storm ring and epic blitz atk i promise

[edgy nacelle]

circe lol?

[vernal quiver]

ofc

[glass bone]

Is there something else that deserves to be nerfed for hammers…

[vernal quiver]

circe atp is my best weapon, sure high fear is easier with it but i just like my cast being cool and awesome 😔

[edgy nacelle]

rare storm ring and epic blitz attack on charon, the secret meta-

[glass bone]

Ok, weird thought. Psychic Whirlwind.

I don’t like how reliant Axes are for it

[vernal quiver]

psychic whirlwind was crazy the second it was in the game idk how it went the entire EA without nerfs

[glass bone]

I mean I think OAttack needs to have some of Psychic Whirlwind as base kit

Probably reduce the movement speed penalty, I guess

[edgy nacelle]

baking in the "you can dash while spinning" but making the hammer allow attacks/specials could work 🤷

[glass bone]

Or wait… does Oattack move at the same speed as Walking speed?

[edgy nacelle]

I think it does...? but idk, I rarely use it for the full duration without psychic

there's also the hammer which increases your speed during it, which I similarly haven't taken enough without psychic to know how it feels on its own

[glass bone]

Ok, so give OAttack dash and cast?

[silent crow]

slower

[vernal quiver]

ok what are the chances that you get the little asphodel room in oceanus 😭

im convinced ts happens like at least half the time im doing uw atp

[silent crow]

sign from god to play a different gamer

[faint pasture]

don't stay in the ring it will clear fast

when going to Asphodel

no reward I think but at least you get out quick

[vernal quiver]

oh really? thats cool

[opal pecan]

Technically A Timesave ™

[vernal quiver]

timer is a non issue for me in UW especially since i like taking region2 fig but cool thing to know if i ever actually speedrun

[edgy nacelle]

also just an annoyance save if the reward is like. ash

[vernal quiver]

if i wasnt doing 62f my heart wants to do white antler

[edgy nacelle]

my heart always wants to do white antler...

[silent crow]

the best weapon is mel staff right ill brute force a 62 for qualifications

[vernal quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912456622440325213/1438688201542865008/image.png?ex=6917ca4c&is=691678cc&hm=6a71a2f5ac79a3d9604fb1a6aa181cb733725e912992dad4bb8f7ad00c2366fe&

[edgy nacelle]

but also if you haven't done it vs rivals before I wouldn't recommend it, idk
at this point.... I may try it for 62s soon lol

[vernal quiver]

like look at this

[edgy nacelle]

ooooh
is that evade evade evade too

can't tell

[vernal quiver]

mhm

its at 44% rn

[edgy nacelle]

.............hm
I'd be so tempted
is there armor in the well lol

[vernal quiver]

my heart wants to but i also dont wanna throw a really good 62f run

[edgy nacelle]

yeahhhh I think play it safe but. god I'd be sooooo tempted

[vernal quiver]

tbf this is also my like 3rd run doing pain on UW

so chances are chronos might ruin me

[silent crow]

whats the optimal mel staff combo again

[vernal quiver]

uhh blitz and hitch iirc, aim for dual and shimmering moonshot??

[edgy nacelle]

this apparently

[vernal quiver]

correct me if im wrong

[edgy nacelle]

unless you mean boon combo
and dash attack into special is also fine

[silent crow]

awesome that feels terrible to use ill go for it

[vernal quiver]

yeah i tend to do dash attack -> special or the dash attack -> attack -> special, it was also the loop in h1 iirc

omg and theres more armor in the charon well 😭 white antler is calling to me

[edgy nacelle]

have you done antler vs rivals gramps before?

with frenzy, at least

[vernal quiver]

nope

i decided to keep pin lol

[edgy nacelle]

safe move lol

[vernal quiver]

also life tax or unseen ire?? my gut says life tax for saftey

but ire would be crazy for damage

[edgy nacelle]

I'd prob go life tax tbh?

[vernal quiver]

yeah im only at 152/205 anyway

[edgy nacelle]

part of the appeal of ire is 5s invulnerability, and you have pin for 10s too

plus sometimes ire triggers right before a phase change or the cutscene attack </3

[vernal quiver]

oh damn i didnt know ire gave invuln thats kinda crazy

tax is the saftey line though ill probably take lifetax instead

[edgy nacelle]

yeah! it's like pin but only 5s instead of 10, and with a damage bonus instead of the whole healing if you clear the room thing

also with pin, it WILL heal you and save your DD if you trigger it and clear p1 or p2 within 10s!

if you get a health bar to zero it'll count lol, even if the boss is still alive

[silent crow]

well my gameplay was good but my room luck was awful

57s into hecate

[vernal quiver]

ok 7 minutes for gramps this should be a wrap if im not bad at the game

echos evade is still at 42% too

i think gale also still has 2 blocks

[silent crow]

dropped 3dds to hecate

i suppose getting out of erebus on my first 62 att with bad luck is good

[austere trail]

it's saveable, trust

[silent crow]

i LOVe arachne and the shop showing up at the same time i LOVE that one room that is as big as the fields

i also had to take a chaos blessing that bricks huntress

[opal pecan]

One of the Will blessings?

[silent crow]

yep

[edgy nacelle]

me taking gorgon amulet into oceanus for my 62 win lol
It is fr savable

[silent crow]

athena gave me stalwart ok

[vernal quiver]

free asf ngl 62f uw done in 3 attempts 😌

thought it would take a lot longer tbh

[austere trail]

nice!

[opal pecan]

I am pondering whether I will do any Surface runs with Charon and Nergal at all. I think I am landing on the side of ".....hmm no"

[silent crow]

ok 2:22 into sirens i have 2dds

and blitz attack on mel staff

[opal pecan]

That's good, right, I'm assuming this is good, it sounds good

[edgy nacelle]

typhon at least is kinda fun with charon since he just sits there being a big monster shaped target

eris is annoying on both weapons tho

[vernal quiver]

eris is annoying

[hollow stag]

For Morrigan knives, how is 35% faster Attacks speed vs +20 Attacks Power?

What if I already have Secret Crush (+9 Power) and Slow Cooker (+6 Power atm)?

[vernal quiver]

not even just on those just in general

[opal pecan]

I can imagine, and I don't like what I'm imagining, yes

[edgy nacelle]

eris is funny with howling soul tho
sticks to her and reappears if she lands before the cast expires

[silent crow]

16 seconds left dropped no dd's to sirens WOO

my health isnt as temporary with stalwart so i can take the time piece

wait im dumb i broke fates whim

hmm i actually dunno

im going embryo

[austere trail]

gorgon amulet removes your hades blessing sadgely

[silent crow]

57% on cast for fields

[silent crow]

the tech is bc i have a chaos boon already theres a chance it gives me defiance

[austere trail]

tbh I'm kinda surprised it isn't a harsher penalty
like I would've thought it would remove the bonus levels too

[vernal quiver]

removing the bonus levels would be evil

[opal pecan]

I don't think anything in the game that levels up your boons can retroactively delevel them if you remove or purge the thing that leveled it

[vernal quiver]

im sure they wanted to keep it there so theres still some reward for keeping it active as long as you can

but thatd be dubious work if it did take away the levels 😭 just having to sit there and see everything go back to +0

[austere trail]

oh no I mean any boons you get after removing fw

removing them retroactively would be crazy yeah 💀

[opal pecan]

Yes, you no longer get bonus levels after you break FW.

This has always been the case iirc.

[austere trail]

WHAT

[opal pecan]

It's just that it used to keep the Hades blessing, and then 1.1 patched that.

[austere trail]

okay either I was lied to or I hallucinated the conversation

[vernal quiver]

god i dont wanna have to do a whole surface run just for a chance at the scales to get nergal unlocked 😭

i dont think any chaos trials take you to summit do they >->

[austere trail]

there's one I think

[oblique hazel]

great chaos above

[opal pecan]

You cannot get resources in Chaos trials.

[austere trail]

oh right the s. scales
yea no resources in trials. such a sham

[vernal quiver]

tbf i dont even have that one unlocked yet either

maybe i just take medea and pretend i can speedrun

[austere trail]

bro's got 62f done and hasn't unlocked nergal

[oblique hazel]

it took me like 10 surface runs to find s scales when i first unlocked nergal its such a painn

[austere trail]

gotta run gale gang 💪

[silent crow]

i am 0 dd's into tart

[austere trail]

you'll be fine

[silent crow]

and i didnt practice rivals chronos

[oblique hazel]

sounds like its time for last gasp

[alpine raft]

wouldnt it be raki for scales

[silent crow]

ive genuinely fought this boss 3 times

[oblique hazel]

this is all according to plan

[austere trail]

pfft, rivals chroner is a pushover

[vernal quiver]

man after doing 62f stuff i cant wait to play the game with only frenzy on

[austere trail]

oh yeah 🥀

[oblique hazel]

62 fear and youve fought rivals gramps 3 times i couldnt imaginee

[silent crow]

this is my first att btw

[vernal quiver]

mel staff is just goated like that

[silent crow]

i did practice mel staff before it was good...

[vernal quiver]

youre just goated like that 😌

[silent crow]

i knew the secret sauce from the start

[oblique hazel]

ive been doing 5 high fear wins, upping the fear by like 3, getting 5 more wins, upping it by like 3 again, repeat until i hopefully make it to 62 lmao

im at 55 right now

[vernal quiver]

my rotation was 5f increments and everytime i cleared both routes i went up

i just did 55 -> 62 since the only difference between 60 and 62 is like scars i think so it wasnt a crazy jump

if i can do 62 you can do 62 😌

[silent crow]

welp i think im cooked

[oblique hazel]

scars and pain yeah im considering that jump too 🙂‍↕️

just gotta not get hit and its the same as 55

[silent crow]

i wouldve timed out anyway

you know if i beat chronos ill get the ability to pause in his rivals fight

[edgy nacelle]

I'd honestly recommend it... like granted I did 54 with max scars, but imo a run which can clear 60 will usually also be able to clear 62, so may as well not waste your luck on lower fear 🤷

[silent crow]

for a first attempt it wasnt bad but i think i have a movespeed crutch

[vernal quiver]

goddamn i forgot how fast the game is with almost no fear 😭 im leaving eris fight with like 3:20 on the timer

[edgy nacelle]

bouncing between high fear and casual speedruns is so fun lol

[vernal quiver]

heracles showed up and i was genuinely confused why the room took 5 seconds 😭

whats the region3 take generally??

is it like hammer or tooth or smth

maybe its tooth my hammer is only common 😔

[thin gazelle]

Amulet, hammer, pin, onion

[edgy nacelle]

if you had rivals on I’d say knuckle bones, esp if you have hitch, but for baseline yeah what aaaa said

[silent crow]

embryo

[lavish flare]

oh man Aspect of Momus is so bad lmao (read: clunky)

[opal pecan]

It's not bad, just a bit slow

[digital juniper]

but why momus when other staves exist

[edgy nacelle]

to slow down your run so you have more time to enjoy the ost 👍

(I also find it fun lol)

[digital juniper]

fun?? in MY video game??

[silent crow]

to appreciate its design space in the game after being scarred by its original iteration

[digital juniper]

blasphemy

[silent crow]

i think haelian made a guide on old momus that boiled down to "get dual moonshot and poseidon sprcial"

[thin gazelle]

What even did it used to do?

[twin ice]

do people usually run pom keepsake only on the 1st region and then swap?

[silent crow]

ya

[plucky pendant]

Yeah why wouldn't you?

[twin ice]

doesn't it take away the keepsake ability?

[silent crow]

nope

only if you break fates whim does it go away

[tall notch]

It gave +40 power on special, but the special was different back then. It was a very fast, spammable move which just made having this much power busted

[edgy nacelle]

all three fate’s whim keepsakes keep their effect even after you take them off, so long as you don’t break fate’s whim.
a few other keepsakes work similarly too, like fig lead and eris bell

[left dirge]

How does zeus cast work on charon

[edgy nacelle]

badly

[left dirge]

Damn apollo it is

[edgy nacelle]

it cancels the cast early and you get almost no damage from it
the only DoT cast which isn’t made worse by Charon is Anvil Ring

since that always does 3 hits no matter what

[left dirge]

And then Ill put Zeus on special

Cause if i get that auto blitz one the special would proc blitz, then the cast exploding activates blitz if i can get the omega activate buff

[hollow stag]

I don't think Apollo Legendary procs twice as many Fine Line and Ocean Swell on Umbral FLames.

[edgy nacelle]

yes, that's accurate

fine line and ocean swell trigger once when you finish channeling
no matter how many times your Ω moves hit after that, they don't retrigger—so torch specials, momus, eos day breaker, apollo legendary, and mirrored thrasher staff Ωatk don't retrigger them
stuff like explosive intent and cut above will retrigger since it triggers when your moves hit an enemy, rather than when you channel

[safe agate]

God but I wish sprinting boons triggered on dashes too, as a whole; not just some of em

[edgy nacelle]

saaaame yeah
altho ig it at least gives some build variety

[safe agate]

Its just hard to use sprinting without lowering DPS and it being sorta awkward

[spare gulch]

Guys, how do you dodge the millions red projectiles of charybdis when you meet on the rift as a mid region boss? It doesn't seem like you can dash through them all 😭

[edgy nacelle]

go to the far bottom right, then move at a medium speed to the left once they get close to being in range of you
most of them will expire by the time you reach the other side of the arena, at which point you can dash through the last few

that's how I do it lately, anyway, prob other ways to handle it

stuff like hard target, enfeeblement of cowards, and gusts from demeter can also trivialize it

[spare gulch]

oouuh awesome, thanks! 🙂

[silent crow]

how does it increase build variety

[edgy nacelle]

because I'm more likely to sprint vs just dash on different weapons 🤷 so am encouraged to pick a rush boon I might not otherwise choose if I'm doing that

[silent crow]

i suppose

idk i was thikning about hestia's rush and how i cant imagine a single use case for it

[left dirge]

Aight I might be crazy but what exactly resets your run's seed for boon spawns

I got charon and my options were hera, demeter, and aphrodite only

Then went back and figured okay Ill use nergal, now its zeus, hestia, hera

[edgy nacelle]

dying, or a post-epilogue incantation
but also the seed afaik is dynamically generated, so changing familiar or weapon/aspect (or even just picking a different boon room 1) can change it

[left dirge]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[opal pecan]

So theoretically the only thing that is guaranteed to stay the same is Room 1 and any "out of the gate" effects like the jpom Hades blessing roll?

[junior trail]

iirc its room 1 and 2

wait sudden cleaver messes up the o.special timing now?

[opal pecan]

WDYM?

[dreamy veldt]

Guys I've done it

I've come up with the most niche complaint ever

The game doesn't have enough keepsakes that you can use in casual fun runs without breaking fates whim

[sick lodge]

Aren't there 20ish?

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah there's like 23 that don't break fates whim or something

But like

[sick lodge]

That's quite a few lol

[dreamy veldt]

Odysseus Skelly Dora nemesis Moros Arachne are all like

Yes they are helpful, but only like, if you need help(?)

[opal pecan]

Like four of those are meta at high Fear aint they

[sick lodge]

Sounds like Ulteya feels there should be more win-more keepsakes

[dreamy veldt]

Yes but I want things that are fun if you're steamrolling

[dreamy veldt]

YES

[sick lodge]

Besides the actual fates whim ones, there's Heracles, echo, medea

[dreamy veldt]

Basically I had this thought because I really like Medea keepsake and want to run it all the time but I frequently get to end of third region and haven't met the damage req

The correct answer here is just Artemis keepsake, however I don't steamroll 0fear hard enough to warrant being limited to only 30hp

But if it was like 50hp is be all over it

I basically never use Heracles because all I can think about is

When you fight the boss you're gonna have like .725 percent extra damage and it's like you don't have a keepsake good job

[rare ermine]

cant be me. i regularly facetank 200 dmg per run

[dreamy veldt]

And honestly I don't really understand the best application of echo keepsake

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah but you probably play 700 fear with one eye closed

Ok yeah I think the clear answer is that while 0f is fun for not having stress, maybe a little bit of challenge is also enjoyable

[rare ermine]

my highest is 50 but thanks for the vote of confidence

[opal pecan]

What? You're supposed to take it on the last zone only. It's 20% or 25% global damage buff depending on Underworld or Surface

[safe agate]

Aw, ||Divine Dash seems to actually not. Give you any more iframes at all, so like why bother.||

[sage flame]

the humble chaos above and below runs:

[vernal quiver]

Play 62f ong

[vernal quiver]

Like 90% of what athena gives sucks 😭

[rare ermine]

by the fates these high fear players propaganda is getting desperate

[safe agate]

It didn't need to be nerfed to THAT extent, maaan

[vernal quiver]

Id say it's less they nerfed the boon and more so melinoe doesnt benefit to it as much as zag did

[sage flame]

also she has like one dash

[junior trail]

i mean on charon with giga cleaver or exceptional

without Sudden, charon can pop 2 casts really easily, no matter where you’re standing
but with Sudden, the second wave of the o.special fires a bit faster, so you can’t pop the second cast while standing still or dashing backward/sideway anymore
you actually have to dash forward and line yourself up at the very edge of the cast hitbox while channeling so the o.special connects with the cast properly

Feels weird. Might just be me.

[sage flame]

yea

[safe agate]

Oh no, they for sure did, it lasts far shorter. Also that, yeah

[dreamy veldt]

Pffft

I'll probably start doing like, 10f

[vernal quiver]

Rivals4 and frenzy2 is already like ~18f 😌

[dreamy veldt]

Well it's like if I'm gonna take as many rooms as I can in tartarus

[opal pecan]

Why would you do that

[dreamy veldt]

Because I'm playing 0f and like rewards lol

Unless that was @ Plum

[vernal quiver]

Put on some timer, hubris, wards, and you already have a super easy 20f+ setup

[rare ermine]

does anyone remember whats the min fear req of those stashes in the last region?

[silent crow]

projectile deflect is good

[vernal quiver]

I think 12

[dreamy veldt]

12

[rare ermine]

its that low?? dang i think high fear did something to me

[dreamy veldt]

Ok I'm on location 33 right now

I feel like usually I end at like 42 or something

[vernal quiver]

Dude going from 62f to a medea speedrun is such whiplash 😭

[dreamy veldt]

Which would be 5% from fang

Well I guess 15%?

Since Hades and shop don't count

[silent crow]

cant wait to end up like boated and do "just a fun 62 fear"

[dreamy veldt]

Wait ok I got a good way to describe it

If I'm not picking a keepsake that keeps me from losing then I want a keepsake that gives me big numbers

[vernal quiver]

White antler my goat

(Everything will get ohko'd me included)

[dreamy veldt]

I'm just gonna take hammer

[vernal quiver]

Can't you take hammer region3 and it stretches all the way to the end of the run??

[dreamy veldt]

Got a buff to flames ospecial, the one move I'm not using this run

And yes, but it's too late for that

[edgy nacelle]

tried a cursed oatk Hel build and like. I mean it wasn't awful. but I did time out and die to rivals prom, and in general took so much damage while channeling

[hollow stag]

For Umbral Flames,

How good is Chaos +99% damage for Attacks?

[junior trail]

very good on moros/eos, okay on mel, big no on supay

[hollow stag]

Even with curse on Omega moves damage?

[junior trail]

oh thats hm

torches mostly uses omega moves so it might not worth it

[hollow stag]

+99% more Attacks damage though!

Other choices are more Rare boons and more Magick

[opal pecan]

W-why

[edgy nacelle]

LMAO

got offered that hammer room 1 and racing thoughts room 2 and thought "......why not-"

[junior trail]

it sounds fire with exceptional/weed ngl

[edgy nacelle]

I was nearly into exceptional too, and ares leg
idk how much plasma helps tho

[opal pecan]

Exceptional Weed: what certain friends of mine would be quite interested in

[edgy nacelle]

LMFAO

[opal pecan]

BTW I tried a Charon run because Grave Thirst came up on axe again and yeah. The Eris fight unholy hell

[edgy nacelle]

I mean ngl for me if I have to do eris with an axe I'd rather it be charon, but

[opal pecan]

(I died)

[edgy nacelle]

yeah...

[opal pecan]

At least you can dodge on Than

(to the fullest extent)

((well, not to the fullest extent, but to a fuller extent -- not to be confused with a fullerene extent, which is a whole nother aspect of fish))

[edgy nacelle]

tbh with charon I just wait until eris finishes an attack then hit her, since it does damage in such a big chunk you can afford to just go 100% dodge mode for longer

[opal pecan]

That takes so long... she summoned minions twice....

[edgy nacelle]

I suppoooose.... hm. was it just rivals + frenzy?

[opal pecan]

Naw, only Frenzy

[edgy nacelle]

oh just base eris
base eris is if anything a bit more annoying yeah

.....esca charon feels so fast to me LMAO idk what the difference is, ig just vibes

[opal pecan]

Look, if the enemy can dodge and I can't adjust to match em I simply don't like it >_>

All that channeling time just down the drain 😭

[edgy nacelle]

the AoE is just so big....... I'm doing a quick run and just going "oh wow :D" lol

[vernal quiver]

everytime i think eris would sit still so i place my circe casts and then she just leaves 😔

queen of stalling she pisses me off

[opal pecan]

Howling Soul MVP in these specific instances tbh

[edgy nacelle]

hmmm are you focusing too much on keeping her in the cast circle I wonder?

for charon specifically I mean

[vernal quiver]

yeah but then i have to use howling soul for more of the run 😔

[edgy nacelle]

I love howling soul on circe if I have gale lol, but. that's just me

[vernal quiver]

like its not an insane adaptation to make it feel fine i just dont like doing it especially at higher fear 😔 although tbf i can always just take athena keepsake and get rid of it whenever

i really should play charon axe again though it was super fun idk why i stopped

maybe my next 62 clears might be charon and nergal

[opal pecan]

I don't think so? but also I'm realizing part of the awful awkwardness is that my go-to safe strat is Backstab The Eris From Directly Behind Her and this is not something I would want to attempt on Charon, which leaves me a bit at a loss

[edgy nacelle]

my usual strat is like. cast, start channeling, dash to be behind her, re-angle special if she moves cause it does as much if not more than the cast usually

[edgy nacelle]

but also here! sometimes she leaves the cast circle, but the Ωspecial does so much of the heavy lifting it's kinda fine 🤷 idk, it feels like a very fast weapon for the fight to me: https://streamable.com/tegreu
not a perfect fight, she does zoom around at times, but like. she also gets very few opportunities to hit back lol

I think only one cast-special combo fully misses her which was on me lol I aimed weirdly
but idk! just in case I'm doing something drastically differently than you, and to showcase how often I just rotate and ignore the cast if she moves. altho ig that's easier with mouse prob since you can just cursor over her

[opal pecan]

Lookin at this I think the main diff is that you have a better sense of timings, so you're able to take advantage of the last seconds before you absolutely need to get outta the way

[edgy nacelle]

oooh maybe. ngl I also just kinda go "wheeee" and spam Ωspec on cooldown unless she's flying

[signal coral]

honestly with charon you really need to be able to dash mid o-special

if you get used to doing that the weapon feels a lot smoother

if you do not do that the weapon is incredibly clunky/awkward to use sometimes

and faster enemies like eris will highlight that

[edgy nacelle]

I guess it's also a matter of getting the cast special dash combo into your hands to the point that you aren't consciously adjusting, and can focus your attention elsewhere...? and ig thinking of it as a fairly ranged weapon

I'm just trying to think of ways to help since it rly doesn't feel like a slow bossing weapon to me at all—it even feels pretty mobile and easy to dodge with—but I can't rly articulate why

not that you need to enjoy it also LMAO it's kinda the polar opposite of for instance mel coat

altho I'd argue it's p similar to shiva...

[opal pecan]

Prolly I just have slow reflexes, which gets punished harder on an aspect that you have to at least admit is less mobile than, like -- heh

[edgy nacelle]

I also like long range + deliberate aim a lot lol, I loved bow the most in h1
whereas close range spammy stuff kinda stresses me out when I'm still learning it

[signal coral]

well just figure out the combo so that you dont have to waste thought thinking about what buttons to press

[edgy nacelle]

and charon isn't rly similar to bow, but they both get you in a rhythm of dashing and holding a button and aiming

[signal coral]

and can instead think about aiming and positioning your dash

im still pretty bad at charon but i know how its supposed to be played

I have my sub 8 clear on it so I never have to go back to the aspect again (until I decide to do something like 50 fear all aspects)

[opal pecan]

I think that your standards for bad are perhaps a little different from my standards for bad, Silly 😆

[hazy merlin]

Turns out Lvl 8 heroic Slippery Slope is pretty good with Meat Grinder

[opal pecan]

Wait idgi

Is there some secret synergy between Froth and blade rifts that I just aint seeing

Is it just that BRs do a lot of hits

[hazy merlin]

now that I think about it it was probably gale more than meat grinder LOL

but in any case, yeah it's just a ton of hits

(i also had winner's circle and the blade rifts persist after the cast expiration so you can stack them up)

and in this case the actual cast damage was over 1k too, so that was pretty good

[sinful marlin]

True

[dreamy sage]

can someone explain why i should ever pick tough gain

[opal pecan]

You want to do a funny Brave Face run

Possibly with Incandescent Aura? 🤔

[junior trail]

I get hit (be honest!)

and yeah it has good synergy with brave face and Incandescent

[sinful marlin]

Forced by denial

[junior trail]

Normally it’s un-pommable, but there’s a funny little interaction
if you sacrifice a Gain boon that already has pom levels, Tough Gain will inherit those pom levels too. More flat damage reduction.

[vernal quiver]

if youre on a low mana weapon you fill up a core boon

so just makes odds nicer if youre fishing for anything else

[sinful marlin]

Turns off huntress every time you get hit

[opal pecan]

I wonder why Heph has so many combos that are just, "we have [x] at home"

(by so many I mean, of course, two)

[junior trail]

Man I kinda hoped Tough would have some way to proc for free
Like imagine if it could trigger through Heinous, or you take a tiny bit of damage every time you attack (Chaos-curse style but manageable, like a reverse Blood Spree or Mirrored)

That would’ve been fun lol

[opal pecan]

You can deliberately proc it on traps in zones that have traps ig

[vernal quiver]

just run nergal and face tank everything

[stable herald]

Just do an omega move lol

[tidal fiber]

Bought the sacrifice item from the well and replaced my zeus attack boon from blue to purple then whent into a shop for a random boon got zeus with a heroic attack boon level 3 absolute petty squabbling

[safe agate]

So for Zeus' "double lightning strikes" thing does that mean blitz as well, and chain lightning?

[edgy nacelle]

blitz yes, chain lightning no
it’s any “vertical” lightning bolts—so blitz, cast, dash, revenge, power surge, even his godsent, but not horizontal bolts from static shock

[safe agate]

Ahhh , beans! But, good to know it affects most

[solar iris]

Just had a run with the skull and then i had it upgraded with a daedalus boon that makes me launch all 5 at the same time in a ""spread pattern"

quickest typhon bossfight ever

[junior trail]

yea wide grin is pretty pog

[solar iris]

YEAH THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED

[solar iris]

too bad images are not permed here

wait nevermind i know a way

[edgy nacelle]

yeah you can send to another server then copy the image link and paste
or use an image hosting site
(or victory boasting ofc)

[solar iris]

Using Wide Grin on the one boss that DOESN'T move

[edgy nacelle]

have you had a run with possessed array? 👀 with or without wide grin
speaking of op and fun hammers for the skull

[solar iris]

No I have not, but im more than happy to try it out... only if the skull is glowing red in my pool

because i only grab the weapon that gives me gems bc i like decorating the crossroads

[edgy nacelle]

I did the same for ages! out of decorations now lol

possessed array is nuts, it fires an omega attack every time you pick up a skull
burns through magick like crazy but it's absurdly strong if you have enough regen to keep up

[solar iris]

mmm im thinking of doing another apollo run just for this one

[edgy nacelle]

great with apollo! I did it most recently with Hera attack on aspect of Medea

any % attack boon is good tho tbh

[solar iris]

im currently doing the torch run, have Zeus' Strike boon, but im thinking of using Poseidon's boons for a channce

because i barely ever touch Poseidon's boons

[edgy nacelle]

poseidon can be really really good! I don't play him on (most) torches personally, but on anything that hits fast he goes crazy

poseidon + hera's duo boon is also amazing on 2 of the torch aspects

oh, and in general poseidon cast is a great option for any build, super flexible so I take it when I don't want his attack/special

[spiral wadi]

torch splash atk is pretty good, splash spec is kinda weird cuz it gets icd trolled if u have hidden helix

[solar iris]

i think Hades 2 is the first game i played where i actually pay close attention to my builds

in Hades 1 i don't pay attention to my builds at all (and wonder why i couldn't clear without God mode years ago LMAO)

[spiral wadi]

i'm pretty sure axe special also gets splash icd trolled

[edgy nacelle]

yeah, + I think on moros you get to double dip on splashes...?

just to confirm since I never aim for it: plasma does affect channel speed, if indirectly? or am I wasting my time

[spiral wadi]

ye it does

[edgy nacelle]

good
trying once again to make Ωatk hel even barely work

[spiral wadi]

it's nice but i also hate how 100% move speed feels

[edgy nacelle]

me too but sacrifices must be made for funny skull build I guess

[spiral wadi]

fair

[edgy nacelle]

ok I give up this just feels so bad :(
maybe in UW with hermes and chaos channel speed from the start, but it just takes SO long to get online and you take so much damage

or ig I do it with on-hit effects on attack instead of % and sacrifice Ω damage for "not being ass without it" SIGH

[dusky totem]

Hoi, do you have any recommandations for finding guides that go over like executions and combos and how to actually play an aspect, not just build it ?

[junior trail]

hel o.atk is just the weaker version of base mel torches

[edgy nacelle]

I just want to do something unique for my hel run but alas
😔

[junior trail]

https://mobalytics.gg/hades-2/builds
You can find breakdowns for each aspect there

[dusky totem]

thanks, but I was more interested in actual execution rather than builds

imma pick an example from Hades 1 because that's what I know best, but for example I'm not looking for "on nemesis you want to get aphro attack" and more "on nemesis you should do double dash-strike into special then loop"

[edgy nacelle]

idk if there's a reliable online source for information like that, but high fear players and speedrunners here and on the speedrun discord will prob be happy to help

[broken spoke]

Me spam button

[dusky totem]

me do tend to spam button but I wanna kick off the habit

[edgy nacelle]

is there a specific weapon you're curious about?

[dusky totem]

Not really, no

[edgy nacelle]

i.e. for Mel staff ik the combo is dash-attack + special, or dash-attack + attack + special with wards 2 on
and anubis and morrigan both want to open with a dash attack to speed up animations

[dusky totem]

I wanna play all or most aspects, so I don't have any specific weapon I'm more focused on

[dusky totem]

Oh thanks ! Yes that's the kind of thing I'm looking for. A shame if there isn't much resources on this, especially when seeing the amount of (justified) build guides there are

[hollow briar]

Usually you’ll wanna look at videos of each Aspect at decently high Fear to get a general sense of what to do when/where, but even that’s kinda dependent on what Boons or Hammers you’re given and which Aspect it is in particular

[junior trail]

…idk if you skimmed the page or not, but each aspect does have a “General Tips and Tricks” section
Like Anubis, for example, it literally has a super detailed combo breakdown here:
https://mobalytics.gg/hades-2/builds/aspect-of-anubis-staff

[dusky totem]

I'll admit I just checked the first one, didn't see much, and assumed it'd be the same for each

[edgy nacelle]

ah lol, I fully didn't click the link since I figured I didn't need it 😔 good to know it gets into that

[dusky totem]

Yeah, the guide seems to be what I wanted, thanks !

I guess I should also work on my reading comprehension

[rare ermine]

🥀

[wary sequoia]

Do tranquil gain and steady growth technically count as a cooldowns? i.e. do they get affected by Seismic Servo

[junior trail]

no for both

[wary sequoia]

damn, that would be so nice though

i dont even think it would be especially broken, just a really nice buff for tranquility

follow up, i just beat phase 2 cerberus hitless in 8 seconds. build info will follow shortly but its dealing 2300 damage every second or so

[junior trail]

Tranquil actually does work with Axe O.Attack btw
you just have to stand still and use the non-psychic version.

[wary sequoia]

the build is in victory boasting, but its running omega attack on artemis knives, so getting hit with the pop up attack that started the phase procd the crits and then i can charge 2 O. attacks in about a second, each one crit taking cerberus down to almost nothing.

gonna proc blackened fleece to top 1000 damage w/o crits

[safe kettle]

i got the absolute dream build just now, heroic apollo attack on morrigan and RANK 2 sweeping ambush

[wary sequoia]

sadly that 40% is calculated really early on, i ended up getting a bonus 20 damage for it. i feel like thats robbery because even base knives deal 100 damage on a bad roll for O. so even that should be granting me 40 damage, but i'm somehow getting half the buff with 8x the damage

[safe kettle]

my omega attack is just absolutely wiping

[wary sequoia]

ayy, same here though different build

[safe kettle]

rank 2 sweeping ambush gives +600% omega attack damage

ludicrous damage

[wary sequoia]

how much per O.

omega attack

[safe kettle]

no damage numbers so i dont know the exact damage but it's a lot

[wary sequoia]

do you have them off?

[safe kettle]

let me check

[safe kettle]

most of the time it's just screen clutter that makes it even harder to see

984 before origination

[wary sequoia]

i dont care if you have numbers on/off, im just curious

[wary sequoia]

what does origination do again? i forgot how much it does

[safe kettle]

+25% damage if you have 2 debuffs on an enemy (aka always on bosses)

so to a boss this would do 1.2kish

[wary sequoia]

oh, i thought you meant the damage X from hitting omega, attack and special

[junior trail]

70 magick per usage if having exceptional
heartthrob/pike would be super nice

[broken spoke]

50%

And origination is additive too with other % bonus

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only costs me 40 magick

[wary sequoia]

whats the damage after activating morrigan's special ability?

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is it? i thought it applied as damage taken?

ie it would multiply with normal % bonuses

[broken spoke]

Every % is additive

Only crit multiply

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huh, that's odd i assumed damage applied in it being taken would not be additive with damage applied on source

[broken spoke]

Or something like extra hit

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kinda like every other game works

[wary sequoia]

im currently hitting for 2500 per hit every second. chronos will suffer for a brief period of time before evaporating

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the morrigan procs barely happen because i just onetap everything

especially because in clumps the morrigan omega attacks can overlap

[wary sequoia]

check victory boasting

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oh yeah i'm saving fleece for region 4

also i hope i've taken enough damage

and i just got weed killer too

[wary sequoia]

fleece wont change much, it gave me a bonus 28 damage, taking me from 780-808

[wary sequoia]

same, i've got weed killer and grabbed fine line as well because why not

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up to 1062

number go up = happy

[wary sequoia]

i just got apollo leg so i'm hitting twice per, can that get procd with extra dose as well? and if it does, does it get 1 or 2 extra strikes

[broken spoke]

Extra dose doesn't work on omega iirc

[wary sequoia]

darn, i was hopeful

[broken spoke]

If the description say attacks, it work, if it say attack, it don't work

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do i go skulking onslaught too

for backstab damage or do i just take flat 20 power

[broken spoke]

A single s make all the difference

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i think the flat 20 power could do so much when i apply like 1000% damage

i'm about to go oneshot zagreus

[wary sequoia]

yeah, it would probably end up at +1-200

[wary sequoia]

i'm willing to bet he has at least 10k hp

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it's gonna be very fast still

[wary sequoia]

absolutely

[wary sequoia]

btw i started chronos when i sent this, and beat him right before i sent the absolutely message

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yeah this took like 20 seconds

i would estimate zag has 5kish health per bar

maybe 7k

does he have the same health no matter when you fight him?

you know i think it's a missed opportunity that the fan shade isnt in the arena

i managed to get fine line and ocean swell and the duo

[wary sequoia]

not sure, but the wiki is saying he has 10.8k hp

16.2 because he heals half of that after you get him to 0

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maybe i missed a lot of morrigan procs in my estimation?

his first bar died in like 4 or 5 omegas

ok fleece active too now lets see what the number is