h2-builds-and-combat

[vernal quiver]

then i think its more of changing what exactly your looking for, since a duo or legendary when we talk about fear stuff should never be a make or break for a build

[jolly aurora]

i use black coat and the ability for my special to crit is realy nice with blits

[rare ermine]

not sure if the vow setup hermetic posted is the one theyre using rn but maybe the reason youre runs are being killed by timer is cuz of the max grit

[jolly aurora]

its not exactly legendary or duo boon requiring but it is nice to get king tide to increase my ability to activate more blitz

[vernal quiver]

sure but like you said its "nice*, so no need to revolve how you build around something thats a nice cherry on top when you can be aiming for a stronger foundation that carries you farther more consistently

[jolly aurora]

its realy just a black coat origination blitz froth build that uses ares and aphrodite to let me stay alive and increase my dmg

[true gust]

Damn Playing with Frenzy 40% pains

[edgy nacelle]

FYI, the Night arcana card is doing extremely little for you on this build
it only gives a (fairly low!!) crit chance to your raw weapon damage
blitz, splash, and froth are the core damage sources of that build, and Night doesn't affect them in any way

[jolly aurora]

its just poseidon attack and zeus flourish with aphrodite gain and mutual destruction and blood spree and im pretty much immortal

[true gust]

This is like modern touhou

[jolly aurora]

yeah have debated disabling it but just dont know what to use instead

[rare ermine]

wow just like one of my toe hoe games

[vernal quiver]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiXQ==
i use this for non mana focused stuff

youll find death to be better than strength the higher in fear you go

[true gust]

I take Night with Staff
I mean https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459353369174081538/1437037415096258740/image.png?ex=6911c8e2&is=69107762&hm=e39d79b121b0d9d2d5f4a3e7494c1912a1a55a6e75ce2191af017228d2b397a3&

These are arguably the best for staff

[vernal quiver]

depends on the staff

circe doesnt care about any of those, and mel only does sometimes

[true gust]

Momos

[jolly aurora]

exept death makes me careless and i usually die multiple times which is why i use athena

[manic shuttle]

at least you're not using void

[jolly aurora]

because my mind thinks me being one hit is fine because i have death

[edgy nacelle]

again tho if you're pivoting to fate's whim then athena is a "region 3/4 or not at all" keepsake
fate's whim also makes it way harder to aim for a specific combo for multiple gods, especially in the underworld

[rare ermine]

can i ask whats the reason for not using a reroll setup?

[manic shuttle]

only the initial omegas will be buffed by night not the copies

[jolly aurora]

yeah which is why im hesitant because i know i can beat chronos like this because before cerberus rivals was kinda the do or die point

[true gust]

I know but momus is spam oriented staff

U basically want to activate attack special and circle

in order

so the crit is nice

[jolly aurora]

actually thinking about it i can do calling card to get the things i need because i need the rareties and then use athena in oceanus

[true gust]

especially when you find dedal so you can boost the dmg

[true gust]

Bcs you learn adaptive skills choosing whatever game gives you

and its imo fun

[flint widget]

but he aint running fates whim tho

[rare ermine]

lmao i meant to hermetic

i use jpom lmao

[true gust]

lol

[jolly aurora]

i usually do run rerolls but because im condidering using fates whim ive played around with the bonuses that i get from freeing up some grasp

also got hooked hard on furies

that sht aint getting disabled ever

[edgy nacelle]

honestly? if this is the plan idt this is better than just doing rerolls. calling card for 1 region and then disabling fate's whim region 2 isn't enough value to be worth it 🤷

[jolly aurora]

its mostly because ive played around with using a poseidon or zeus keepsake to get more consistent boons but with my need of having multiple boons rarefied it looks pretty worthit

[edgy nacelle]

I also think you're really overvaluing rarity, rarity is fine but it essentially does the same thing as levels
+3 levels on every single boon you get is absurdly good, calling card is okay but is nowhere near as strong as jeweled pom

[jolly aurora]

its more that levels benefits slippery slope a whole lot less than rarity

[edgy nacelle]

still, I think you are very heavily overvaluing rarity. rarifying slippery slope + blitz is not worth giving up rerolls for your whole run, especially if you take athena keepsake in oceanus and get no more benefit from fate's whim

calling card is also generally a region 2 keepsake imo, which works out since slippery slope isn't a boon you're likely to pick up in erebus without rerolls unless you get lucky 🤷 since it's a tier 2 boon

and like. using this run of yours as an example: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1436745922506653897/image.png?ex=69116229&is=691010a9&hm=e3ce7e9ea296ddceaff3b1ae5b0202c563f1f4ca387f5a1b3e9fffae77ecc479&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2644&height=1486
you had epic slippery slope, and froth didn't make it onto the damage board at all

some runs it can, but idt hyper-investing into froth is what's making or breaking your runs, genuinely

[jolly aurora]

yeah might just change it around but at the same time i cant get enough grasp for enough dice to mattter without sacking origination

[edgy nacelle]

sack excellence tho 🤷

excellence is almost universally considered a new player trap, outside of fate's whim

[jolly aurora]

yeah might plus if i remove night and sorceres then i get eight which should be enough

[edgy nacelle]

yeah, for rn I'd honestly recommend not getting into fate's whim quite yet since it means no athena + it's way harder to get a specific combo of two gods, and try... idk, this or something similar

[jolly aurora]

question is swift runner worth whilst using base black coat

[edgy nacelle]

it's fine 🤷 I like it
if you aren't using huntress and aren't using omega moves then I'd say swift runner + wayward son are the best one cost cards for you

I'd take it over messenger, at least
I like sorceress more but also I use omega moves a ton

if you're using omegas, then I'd drop swift runner and run sorceress

[jolly aurora]

im not realy using omegas exept for blocking

[edgy nacelle]

then yeah, I'd prob go with the loadout I linked (or something pretty similar) for now
I like Death > Strength for levels of fear I'm struggling with, but that's very much personal preference and easy to swap back and forth

altho also Death would open up Divinity for more Epic boons, which is worth considering
rarity isn't op enough for excellence to be worth 5 grasp, but if you can get Divinity for free then it's quite nice

[jolly aurora]

this is the current im currently attempting to make effective https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMiIsImM2IiwiYzciLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTYiLCJjMTgiLCJjMjIiLCJjMjMiXQ==

question is death and strenght worth running at the same time

[edgy nacelle]

I'd prob drop artificer in favor of boatman! think of it this way:
artificer has a chance to roll 3 things into boons, but you may end up with useless max magick upgrades, it's fully rng
boatman is enough gold to guaranteed get 2 boons, and also gives you more rerolls

[vernal quiver]

never

[edgy nacelle]

for this, nope definitely not

[jolly aurora]

if i sack artificer i can get boatman and still have 1 gras left whilst also getting more dice

[edgy nacelle]

yup! and then just put that 1 grasp into whichever 1 cost you want tbh
I'd do swift runner with your preferred build, but they're all fine

[vernal quiver]

with that last grasp id probably take messenger imho

that imperv and movement is a lot more valuable than youd think

[jolly aurora]

how long is the imperv

[edgy nacelle]

you can see it visually iirc, it lasts so long as Mel is transparent and greenish while the card is on
it's pretty short but can come in handy

[vernal quiver]

the length of mel placing her cast, which is like maybe half a second, doesnt sound like much but its the difference between getting your cast in hitless or not

if you also wanna be crazy you can purposefully use it to stay super aggressive

[jolly aurora]

question on what swift runner considers most enemies

[edgy nacelle]

imo messenger vs runner is kind of personal preference, I use both 🤷 depending on the run
or sometimes both at once if I have room

[jolly aurora]

is lovers worth using for this

[edgy nacelle]

lovers is fantastic, very good card, I'd keep it for sure

even more so with vow of pain on! taking no damage 3 times does a ton

[edgy nacelle]

and idk the exact list, I assume it's just enemies which aren't too big
like, idt you can sprint through cerb, you'd have to dash to i-frame through him
but small enemies you can sprint through if needed

tbh try messenger and see how it feels, and compare to swift runner
both are pretty minor, but it's 1 grasp so you can do whatever you want with it, both are useful in sneaky little ways
(and I'm off to bed, so if you ask something else I won't see, goodnight and good luck!)

[rare ermine]

Yeah all this theory crafting can only get you so far. At some point you have to go and play 32f

So I say to go and let loose on the denizens of the underworld and beat their ass

[vernal quiver]

when it comes down to it the best tip fr is just practice lmao

[jolly aurora]

ive played maybe 20 runs of 32 fear and played around with a couple different things

[sinful marlin]

I'd say theory crafting would get you to clear up to 55 fear without too much trouble, the issue begins once you need to learn patterns and dodge consistently starting 60+ fear

[rare ermine]

No thanks bruv. Im staying in my 50f corner

[jolly aurora]

but its also i dont realy want to try because i have a pretty swingy temper at the moment from being tired and last time i got close i slammed my fist againt the table hard enough to put my computer straight from running hades to entering bios mode and then into repairation mode and then almost broke it just by hitting the desk

[vernal quiver]

only difference between 50 and 55 is grit and hoards 😌 isnt thaaat bad

[past salmon]

actually playing the game is how you clear 55F

crazy I know

[vernal quiver]

in theory ive done 67f ong ong

[past salmon]

same

[vernal quiver]

(i will never touch 67f for the life of me 62 will be my hard stopping point and on circe specifically)

[rare ermine]

Grit makes me lose to timer. I cant do it man. I cant i cant

[jolly aurora]

yeah this is just me having a major skill issue and wanting to make it slightly easier so i don't knock my computer into bio's again

[rare ermine]

I can go to 51/52 with pain/hordes but i will not turn on grit

[manic shuttle]

taking fig in second region helps

and droplet for the 3rd

[rare ermine]

My usual routine is jpom, watch, hammer, fang/wool
for uw

I haven’t practiced enough surface to have a route there

[vernal quiver]

mine is jpom, chrolex, onion if i suck pin if im goated, then i stick to pin for 4th

if i like suck extra i take tooth in 4th

[jolly aurora]

what is the recomended aspect to use

[past salmon]

whatever one u r best at

[rain wagon]

I wish I could safely pick Hammer when playing Morrigan 🙁
Also, what is wool?

[vernal quiver]

yeah 32 everything is pretty even

[flint widget]

ok sub 9:30 50 fear underworld circe lets go

[rare ermine]

Black wool medea

[sinful marlin]

Yes that's true

My idea/opinion is basically

Up to 55 fear - average to above average mechanical skill + top tier game knowledge will carry you

60+ fear - you need both high level mechanical skill and high level game knowledge

67 - May the peace, mercy, and blessings of God be with you

[rain wagon]

Ah, Blackened Fleece
I was looking through the keepsakes, closest thing to "wool" I could find was Zeus' beard

[jolly aurora]

im kinda good at every black coat exept shiva but im pretty good at every thing else exept moros and staff with my weakest of the other being charon and artemis and morrigan

[rare ermine]

Wait its called a fleece?? Ive been calling it wool for the longest time 😂

[rain wagon]

Well, the keepsake is called "Blackened Fleece"

Pretty weak keepsake, not sure why you pick it

[flint widget]

id rather take pin or bones in final region tbh

[past salmon]

just pull out the antler and call it a day imo

[flint widget]

or if ur goated antler yea

[manic shuttle]

jpom, leaf, chrolex/droplet/hammer/onion/pin/wheel/beam, pin is my goto mott

[rain wagon]

Antler, Droplet, Fang and Bones are the only ones I go for damage in last region.

[sinful marlin]

Good stuff

[rain wagon]

Wish Hammer wasn't such a gamble on Morrigan, stupid Dancing Knives

[flint widget]

fang is only if i wanna run antler but im too scared to run antler

[sinful marlin]

The pin is also a pseudo damage keepsake since 10 seconds of immunity is huge

[past salmon]

does dancing knives suck that much

[flint widget]

it doesnt make the specials go back to you so sucks for single target

[rain wagon]

If you're relying on Triads for damage, it pretty much reduces your damage by ~90% I'd say

It's horrendous

[rare ermine]

Wait so wool isnt as worth as fang for last?

[jolly aurora]

what aspect is recomended for doing fear runs

[flint widget]

circe

[sinful marlin]

Aspect of CIRCE

[vernal quiver]

circe its what im using to push high fear too

[past salmon]

once again
whicever one ur best at

[dreamy sage]

circe and spear i can see how strong they are but i just don't feel it

[jolly aurora]

yeah that aint happening because honestly hate that one

[past salmon]

unless ur pushing like actually 67 ur ability on the weapon matters way more than the aspect itself

[flint widget]

thats crazy

[sinful marlin]

Which is the spear one 😭

[past salmon]

ur not gonna do well if ur just picking up a weapon you dont run because someone else tells u its good

[dreamy sage]

circe and spear in general*

[rain wagon]

Blackened Fleece is only for Ω Moves, and you likely already have big % on those already, so it's less worth. Lion Fang applies to everything, and it's way harder to get high % on olympian damage.

[jolly aurora]

ive beaten both paths at 12 max rivals with all aspects so im pretty diverse i would say

[edgy nacelle]

"spear" aka staff
also I said I was going to bed, goodbye (again)

[jolly aurora]

tho im better at some than others

[past salmon]

then pick one ur better at

[rare ermine]

“Going to bed”
What other lies have you been telling the chat

[dreamy sage]

nvm it's a staff

[jolly aurora]

thats most likely base black coat

[sinful marlin]

Bro got me confused

[past salmon]

cool theres ur answer

[dreamy sage]

i mean she only ever thrusts with it no 😭

[sinful marlin]

She's using magic and stuff

[past salmon]

do people just play the game without reading literally anything in it
Like how do you not know its a staff

its not exactly hidden information

[rain wagon]

The main issue is that if it doesn't find something to bounce to (which is pretty much all the time due to the bounce range being based on the special range, for which Morrigan's is tiny compared to the normal aspects), instead of flying out as normal (hitting multiple times) it instantly returns, giving you a single special hit instead of multiple (which lets you proc triad multiple times with a single special).

[calm pike]

Tbh I'm not sure what fear level will be the most fun to go for the epilogue, do I need to beat the final bosses to progress? Since I got 32f without rivals 4 and I'm thinking of going it since it's climactic, tho a lot harder

[edgy nacelle]

😔 idk. probably lots, too sleepy to remember my deceit
👋 💤

[past salmon]

oh I mean like thats fine

[jolly aurora]

also im of the opinion that the black coat is prop the most diverse and versatile weapon

[dreamy sage]

aspect of moros and charon/thanatos are my most used

[past salmon]

u only get 2 triads out per special at most anyway
like its a damage down but 90% is crazy when it would only be 50% TRIAD damage at most that ur losing lol

[rain wagon]

Against Typhon, you easily get 4-5, it can go even higher with specific builds (Apollo legendary + Sinister Pinion).

^With a single special, that is

[past salmon]

I-
what

can you show me 4-5 without ET lmao
it doesnt like, work out

[rare ermine]

You just shattered my rose tinted glasses about wool 💔
Its so over chat, I have to learn how to fang now

[rain wagon]

Any big enemy is a target dummy for Triads

[sinful marlin]

@past salmon update your discord banner lolll, 50 fear was in ancient times

[sinful marlin]

U can also do droplet it's pretty good

Faster channeling ospecial = more dmg

[past salmon]

lmao I had a server profile I had already changed it

[rain wagon]

The trick is to have channel speed & a little movement speed, then you can Ω over the special right as it's about to hit Mel.

[sinful marlin]

Awesome 😎

I was literally searching up a few videos for some work and your video was the top result for some reason lmao, above all the work related videos

[past salmon]

funny

[flint widget]

guess u should make playing h2 ur job now

[rain wagon]

The easiest to do this with is Cerberus, as you can walk through him. A bit harder with Typhon, but still doable.

[jolly aurora]

close on 2 hp after warden

Ok my computer just crashed mid run

[sinful marlin]

It seems like it!

[dreamy sage]

how do you make aspect of anubis not complete ass against bosses

[small lance]

https://puu.sh/KDBHN/f89f821d38.png

[flint widget]

blitz attack

[small lance]

gotta go fast

[flint widget]

aim for thermal dynamics, double strike, static shock, literally anything that affects blitz

since ur aiming for thermal d, getting scorch related stuff is good also especially hot pot and pyro technique

[manic shuttle]

you're using omega attack right

[flint widget]

yeah omega attack is huge for dmg

[dreamy sage]

i do but it's not clear to me what it even does

[manic shuttle]

you have 2 overlapping damage circles like that

omega + regular attack both deal damage to enemies

other important thing is to have hestia/poseidon/zeus on attack

[jolly aurora]

wish me luck im prop gonna die

ok beat scylla

beat cerberus

[inland flicker]

you can win

[jolly aurora]

should i go white antler whilst capped at 40 from blood spree

[inland flicker]

how many death defiance left

[rain wagon]

So I did a quick test run, and found I could go infinite. Had a bit trouble having the special hit Typhon during the infinite though, last time I probably had Reaper Knives for the bigger hitbox, but only got 4-5 procs per special (was probably lacking a bit channel/movespeed). So against Typhon specifically you'd probably want either Reaper Knives or Apollo special when going infinite.

[jolly aurora]

1 from athena

[flint widget]

yeah probably if u dont have skill issue

[jolly aurora]

yeah but i do

[inland flicker]

can win

save coins you can get another

[jolly aurora]

thats a lot of faith in one guy who has only ever gotten close with a build that was better than my current by a mile

[inland flicker]

just play

[jolly aurora]

plus i dont have weak effects nor high enough blood spree to out heal him

[inland flicker]

there are no bad builds just bad players

which weapon do you have

[jolly aurora]

i mean that the build im currently using is a worse version of the other and im using black coat

[inland flicker]

dawg you can win

just play dont think much

I'm kinda like a lin and oros diehard so never used black coat but I think its cool

[jolly aurora]

im stressed like hell

[inland flicker]

just enjoy it and play

[jolly aurora]

gigaros dash or last gasp

fck it im gonna prop do gigaros

[inland flicker]

dash if you have no other dash boon

[jolly aurora]

i have hera dash because it was the best option i had to get origination

[inland flicker]

dawg stream it i;mma watch too

[inland flicker]

oh

[jolly aurora]

where do i stream it

[inland flicker]

vc

there are none.... nvm just play

I might also defeatr typhoon

[jolly aurora]

last chamber before chronos

[jolly aurora]

prominence flare or self healing

[inland flicker]

self healing imo

[jolly aurora]

yeah that extra healing ontop of blood spree

[jolly aurora]

ok im going in

[inland flicker]

good luck I lost to tail

so I hope ya win

[jolly aurora]

ok through first phase no death yeat and still 70 hp

[inland flicker]

wp

[jolly aurora]

but now its instant kill potential

[inland flicker]

just doge its not hard tbh

[jolly aurora]

i did it

[inland flicker]

fr?

[jolly aurora]

look in h2 victory boasting

[inland flicker]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO
I TOLD YA YOU COULD WIN

[jolly aurora]

yeah it was actually pretty chill and i properpy would't have died if i had a higher rarity blood spree

[jolly aurora]

ok now its time for typhon

[dreamy veldt]

Wooo good job

[jolly aurora]

thanks

it was surprisingly chill

[dreamy veldt]

I had the exact opposite experience

My reaction to the one 32f run I did

I'm absolutely never doing that again

[austere trail]

I wonder why

[dreamy veldt]

If that's sarcasm i don't get it

[vernal quiver]

Now imagine it was 62

[dreamy veldt]

If it's its not, the answer is I'm bad

[austere trail]

I could be wrong but didn't you use vow of void at 32?

[jolly aurora]

like if i had gambled in fields and gotten lucky i would prop never died after

[dreamy veldt]

Not that I recall

[vernal quiver]

No way 😭

[austere trail]

oh okay nvm then

I might've confused you with someone else

[dreamy veldt]

I think I've only used void once when I was also doing the win with every arcana quest with judgement

[austere trail]

makes sense

[dreamy veldt]

I was the one running max grit and hordes for like fear 20 😎

[austere trail]

that's actually an economical way of doing it. thankfully there's no prophecy to win with at least 1 of each fear in Hades 2 (not at the same time), like there was in Hades 1

[dreamy veldt]

Glad there isn't cause I'm never clicking denial

[vernal quiver]

Rivals4 and frenzy2 is already like 18 what 😭

I can't imagine doing grit and hoards that early

[dreamy veldt]

I'm the slowest player ever lol

I've never done frenzy without running out of time

And that's just frenzy1

[austere trail]

wait how, frenzy speeds up enemy spawning

[rare ermine]

I would rather have denial than forfeit

[austere trail]

were you running timer3?

[dreamy veldt]

Forfeit is the other one I'm never clicking

[dreamy veldt]

Oops confusing frenzy and timer nvm

[austere trail]

oh lol fair

[dreamy veldt]

I do frenzy1 now but initially I avoided it

[austere trail]

you can def practice for timer 1. you basically need to finish the run within 36 mins. that's surely easy enough

[dreamy veldt]

Frenzy2 was too hard for me

[jolly aurora]

you must find me insane with how ive used frenzy 2 since like 16

[dreamy veldt]

I've already finished the testament and nights champion thingy so I don't care about fear anymore

[vernal quiver]

If i ever drop frenzy the game feels so slow i get hit cuz i think itll be faster

[dreamy veldt]

No I think normal people are ok with frenzy

[jolly aurora]

yeah but for my sixteen fear i was running frenzy max pain and hordes

[dreamy veldt]

The other day I died cause I had Chronos inflicted with gust and I was expecting something to be faster than what it was

[jolly aurora]

i was slightly insane

[dreamy veldt]

I'll call you insane if you give me $5

[jolly aurora]

done deal

[dreamy veldt]

Ok I'll dm my cashapp

[vernal quiver]

Yeah max pain at 16f is wild most people dont touch pain until 55+ 😭

[dreamy veldt]

Not at all?

I would at least do pain1

[jolly aurora]

as i said not exactly smart nor normal

[vernal quiver]

Pain1 is fine ig but theres easier vows that make your biggest enemy the timer rather than getting hit

Like my 55f was everything minis void, pain, and I did scars2

[jolly aurora]

for me the timer is always the proplem

[rare ermine]

And as discussed last hours ago, i think it was because you had max grit

[turbid crescent]

what are some ways to proc blitz?

Im doing it with daggers on special

[vernal quiver]

Also just adding a pain or 2 is rough when enemies deal like 20-30+ damage minimum like the hardest hitting move in h1 was 40 😭

[vernal quiver]

Just deal damage blitz is triggered after 120 damage i think??

[turbid crescent]

is it?

[flint widget]

just attack lmao

[vernal quiver]

Yeah its in the curse description

[turbid crescent]

ah

[flint widget]

or just wait for 4 seconds then blitz will pop automatically

[last cape]

There's also romantic spark and uhh is it toasting fork? The one that makes it detonate from omega damage

[turbid crescent]

aint no body got patience for that

[flint widget]

arc flash u mean?

[last cape]

That one

[flint widget]

theres no boon called toasting fork

[last cape]

Toasting fork might be from early access lol

[flint widget]

oh makes sense

joined here during the twilight days of ea

[jolly aurora]

it wasent that when i started last december

[dreamy veldt]

Is Zeus really the goat for boons

[flint widget]

yes

he always has been

[vernal quiver]

Zeus and hera make anything insane

[flint widget]

and always will be

works well with every aspect ever except charon

[dreamy veldt]

I usually get excited when I see Hestia or Demeter but that's about it

I should make a tier list of how excited I get when I see each god

[jolly aurora]

gods i hate rivals poly

[dreamy veldt]

https://imgur.com/a/r4CwYw1

[jolly aurora]

why is poseidon so low

[flint widget]

zeus is super low

[rare ermine]

Ares slander i used him as my att in my 50f

[flint widget]

demeter and hestia are way overrated personally they should be down in sure why not

[jolly aurora]

honestly after the nerf he kinda got bumped from my list of go to gods

[dreamy veldt]

I just really like fire aesthically

And I love freezing enemies

Hera boons are just fun

[rare ermine]

I curse your next run to have ares in it

[dreamy veldt]

Noooo

[glass bone]

Demeter I agree. Hestia I don’t. The actual thing I disagree with is Zeus. 90% of runs want Zeus

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah it's not a what's good list

[glass bone]

Fair enough

[jolly aurora]

i curse thy to only get common ares boons

[dreamy veldt]

I'm not qualified to make any statements on power

[dreamy veldt]

dies

[flint widget]

maybe i underestimated hestia a lil bit

[rare ermine]

Just what ares wants lol

[flint widget]

mb hestia pls give me pyro technique

[jolly aurora]

i shall curse thy to never gain anything non ares in any life

[glass bone]

Btw, Hestia has probably the best duo with Zeus; Thermal Dynamics

[flint widget]

yeah thermal d is goated

[glass bone]

So many people want Thermal Dynamics, cause that 160 scorch application is huge

And then you can take Hot Pot and Pyro Technique with it

[flint widget]

hitch blitz and scorch are probably in my top three curses (unranked)

[dreamy veldt]

I will say that I do like Zeus duos

[glass bone]

IMO, the three weapon agnostic builds are Blitz, Blasts, and Scorch. And weirdly, the best forms of those involve the other two…

[rain wagon]

Who needs boons when you have The Morrigan?

[dreamy veldt]

Facts

[indigo coyote]

Heya, for the Aspects of Moros, does the blast consider as attack ( which then can be affected by Strike boons?)

[glass bone]

If I have scorch, I want blitz. If I have blitz, I want scorch

[flint widget]

but ur forgetting one thing: i barely play morrigan

[junior trail]

hey ares is fun tho 😤
id prefer him over dem ngl

[dreamy veldt]

Please fix

Plasma makes me fall asleep

I miss doom 😞

[flint widget]

nah im good

[rain wagon]

What, aren't you a Morrigan player?

[dreamy veldt]

Yes

[rain wagon]

How can you dislike Plasma

It's channel speed for Ω Attack

[rare ermine]

Yeah she changed her name its blitz now

[indigo coyote]

just hit the legendary and you can ignore collecting plasma 🫠

[flint widget]

doom (the curse) has pronouns?

[jolly aurora]

if i get blitz its over

[rain wagon]

Just get Ares + Hera duo permament 20+ plasma

With very little investment

[flint widget]

yeah but like universal donor is basically an epic nimble limbs

[junior trail]

another universal enjoyer

[glass bone]

Wouldn’t Doom have changed their name to Moros?

Cause Moros is the Greek god of doom?

[flint widget]

dtb has a point

[dreamy veldt]

That one is nice

[dreamy veldt]

I find it aesthetically boring and it also doesn't feel super uhhh

Like because it's 1% each time I don't immediately feel the benefit which makes me feel bad

[rain wagon]

Honestly, all of Ares' duo boons are amazing, some of them are sadly boosting bad damaging effects though (falling swords, heartthrobs), but his boost to them is crazy good.

[flint widget]

but heinous is really like the only top tier duo boon from him tbh

[dreamy veldt]

I like Ares when the swords drop immediately

I really like the blade rift one but unfortunately I very rarely use omega cast

Unless I have a ranged one

[rain wagon]

Universal Donor, Fourth Degree and Hostile Environments are also really strong. (last one very build/aspect dependent though)

[flint widget]

i only want fourth degree if im running selene tbh for more magick use for skyfall tbh

[junior trail]

yeah but like is anyone gonna pick epic nimble if its on hermes? naur its all about nitro, hasty, or winner/stutter/success for specific build

[flint widget]

and yeah hostile environment is pretty damn niche

[rain wagon]

Arterial Spray is the only garbage duo he has, if only Falling Swords and Heartthrobs were better baseline

[rain wagon]

Circe digs it

[flint widget]

i like to think of arterial as a 25% chance of double dmg

[junior trail]

no one gonna pick nimble and thats the point of universal

[flint widget]

i do tho

[rain wagon]

It's 12.5% increased splash effect damage, not very impressive for a duo in my eyes

[dreamy veldt]

Hostile environment - cool
Heinous affront - super epic pog champ
Universal donor - cool
Coffin nail - cool
Arterial spray - cool name but meh effect
Cutting edge - lame
Fourth degree - sure why not
Carnal pleasure - lame

Which god should I do next

[flint widget]

all this talk about duo boons and what not but can we all agree that glorious disaster is absolute ASS

[dreamy veldt]

Kings ransom - funny
Killer current - cool
Hail storm - cool
Glorious disaster - sure why not
Romantic spark - cool
Thermal dynamics - cool
Master conductor - cool

Ok I don't get excited when I see Zeus but maybe I should lol

Looking through everything, I don't get excited for blitz but basically everything else of his I think is cool

[flint widget]

thats crazy

[dreamy veldt]

So maybe Zeus just doesn't pass the vibe check

[flint widget]

blitz is so top tier as a curse

[lilac vault]

Blitz is goated but jolted will always have a place in my heart

[ornate frost]

I mean Zeus absolutely doesn’t pass the vibe check as a person, but as a boon giver? I think almost every aspect in the game has a Zeus core boon as one of their top options; it’s a little insane how consistently good he is

[rain wagon]

Zeus is the easiest way to get good single-target damage. Not the best on Morrigan, but easy S-tier for other aspects.

[dreamy veldt]

Queens ransom - funny
Ripple effect - sure why not
Cherished keepsake - super epic pog champ
Sun worshipper - super epic pog champ
Incandescent aura - cool
Ecstatic obsession - cool
Brave face - super epic pog champ
Universal donor - cool

[flint widget]

rinviri trying not to say morrigan for 0.1 nanoseconds (impossible)

[dreamy veldt]

Hera boons are like the good type of quirky to me

[digital juniper]

and even on morrigan you can just chuck him on special for extra damage on your triad combo

[dreamy veldt]

I also might just be looking at blitz too narrowly

[ornate frost]

I feel like even when I’m not specifically trying to focus Blitz in my build it ends up within my top 3 damage sources by the end of a run

It’s honestly really sneaky how subtly it builds up damage over time

[flint widget]

true

[dreamy veldt]

Ooh that's something I can check

I just have to remember to once this run is over

[flint widget]

i remember running supay for a 48 fear surface run, even tho it was a common blitz attack (no poms) it still went second place on the dmg leaderboards

[austere trail]

I got nervous wreck halfway into a run and blitz was like third place on the dmg board

[jolly aurora]

btw what is good with supay

[rain wagon]

Slander I say!

[flint widget]

blitz scorch and either breaker rush or heat rush

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/gioated-family-guy-peter-griffin-crazy-straightjacket-gif-20619219

[jolly aurora]

scorch on which

[ornate frost]

• Poseidon/Hestia/Zeus rush
• Blitz
• on-hit boosts like Poseidon/Hestia attack/special (or maybe a heavily pommed Heph)
• global damage boosts

[flint widget]

anything

[digital juniper]

this is supay in a nutshell^

[ornate frost]

Supay is one of those aspects where the attack and special boons are pretty interchangeable. There’s like no notable distinction between running, say, Hestia attack + Zeus special vs Zeus attack + Hestia special on this aspect lol

[flint widget]

true

if i get scorch on the cast and blitz on attack ill fit hera specials as well

cuz even tho nexus rush is amazing for room clear, it's ass for bossing

[dreamy veldt]

Nexus rush is so fun for rooms

[rain wagon]

Especiall when you start with a lvl 4 Epic one, Jpom ❤️

[flint widget]

jpoms just the goat

aint really the goat for speedruns but still

[rain wagon]

Not for consistent speedruns, but it still has the higher potential

The sub 4 run was Jpom I believe

[flint widget]

nah that was in early access aka no jpom

[rain wagon]

Ah, it was with bugged cast damage then

[dreamy veldt]

Just now learning how fun it is to use ospecial on eos

[flint widget]

but true, if i get like the ideal build with fates whim i would actually popoff so hard

[rain wagon]

Eos... I disliked it so much when I first tried to against Schellemeus that I didn't touch it again until yesterday.
My first Eos run was after 450 hours in game time.

[flint widget]

and even if i don't get the ideal build it still deals a truckload of dmg

[dreamy veldt]

This is my second run with it u think

I did one run with all of them for fated list

But that was it for a lot of them

And now I'm trying to try out more

[flint widget]

got a hot ass build with hera attack and poseidon special with medea and got 50 fear surface wr with it so yeah

[rain wagon]

I had every aspect, except Eos completed for like forever, only yesterday did one to finish the prophecy

[ornate frost]

The most frustrating is when I’m running jpom and get the god pool I want but can’t reroll for the actual specific boons I want.

Had an annoying Mel Staff run the other day where I got Zeus in my pool early, as two of the rooms in Ephyra, and so I tried for Zeus Attack… and not only was I not offered Attack by either Ephyra room, I was not offered Zeus in general again till Summit so I played nearly the entire run with Boonless Attack 😭

[dreamy veldt]

Oof

[flint widget]

the fates were not on ur side

this is why we run denial folks

[rain wagon]

Indeed, Denial giveth and taketh

Really annoying when you get 3 boons you want in one go, then immediately followed by 3 boons of which all are garbage

[dreamy veldt]

Wait what's the good thing about denial?

[flint widget]

it locks out boons giving more possibility that youll get the boon u want

[dreamy veldt]

Oh I see

[ornate frost]

Trims the pool so if you’re lucky/picking strategically you’re actually more likely to get boons you want faster

[jolly aurora]

what should i pick for aspect of medea of hammers

[ornate frost]

If you see Possessed Array it’s an instant take: massive DPS increase, far more than any other hammer

[flint widget]

possessed array or colossus driver

[jolly aurora]

its wide grin fetching arrey and looming ignition

[flint widget]

looming

[ornate frost]

You also want to avoid Wide Grin at all costs on Medea

[jolly aurora]

why

[flint widget]

yeah it ruins the attack pattern

[jolly aurora]

ahh

[ornate frost]

Completely tanks your usual attack cycle and slows it down dramatically

Similarly Fetching is entirely worthless; it doesn’t actively make things worse like Wide Grin but also does nothing to help you

This is because the typical Medea rotation is to load a single Attack then special, repeat (if you’re able to, it’s good to do them almost simultaneously in one smooth motion, like sliding your thumb across the controller from the Attack button to Special), so you should never be running out of skulls or needing to fetch them

[jolly aurora]

i know but i wanted to ask if the one that makes the skulls fire your omega attack is good on medea

[flint widget]

sometimes i take fetching cuz i sometimes spam attack and specials so much to the point of running out of shells

possessed array?

hell yeah

[ornate frost]

See above where we both said Possessed Array is the best possible Medea hammer lol

[jolly aurora]

is the one im thinking of possessed array

[rare ermine]

Good thing i dont need to know any of the details of other skull hammer upgrades because i only use hel

[jolly aurora]

is romantic spark good

[ornate frost]

In general I'd say so; it might get a little less use out of Medea specifically but if you're already running like Aphro Attack + Zeus Special or something since the two gods go together well, it'll be extra damage that adds up over the run

[jolly aurora]

good for me because thats exactly the case

[ornate frost]

Also now I'm curious: I wonder if Fetching Array retrieves the skulls fast enough to make Wide Grin viable if you somehow had both... I'd guess "no" but maybe I underestimate Fetching's retrieval speed

[jolly aurora]

im guessing that if someone makes a unlimited hammer mod for this game it would be worth testing

[jolly aurora]

btw what would be a good second region keepsake on the surface when using medea

[rain wagon]

It's really situational to be honest

[ornate frost]

Depends on who else is already in your pool besides Aphrodite and Zeus tbh

[rain wagon]

Part of the beauty of the game, every run is different

[ornate frost]

There's not a clear one-size-fits-all answer (as is typically the case in general in this game)

[jolly aurora]

poseidon and hermes and im just talking in general

[ornate frost]

Hermes doesn't count towards one of the four Olympians in your pool

[jolly aurora]

yeah then i only have 3

but i might just pick hestia

[rain wagon]

I'd just go for Heph for armor boons then

[ornate frost]

Why Hestia?

[rain wagon]

Demeter also good for defence if one of your attack/special/cast are still open

[ornate frost]

I'd guess if Poseidon is in their pool though they'd have him on Cast, since that pairs the best with Zeus special Medea, and both Attack/Special slots are taken already by Aphro/Zeus

[jolly aurora]

scorch plus i dont have a reliable way for origination to activate and

[jolly aurora]

i have flood gain because i picked him before a hammer and if i got possessed array i would need the mana

[ornate frost]

Honestly I'd grab Poseidon Cast since he's already in your pool anyways and aim for the Poseidon/Zeus duo; Sprint can be whomever, heck it could even be Zeus or Aphro again, and then you just grab someone like Heph for their utility non-core boons

A funny build could also be grabbing Hera on Sprint and aiming for a later King's Ransom lmao

[flint widget]

and is every other roguelike

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah it's two size first all (pom or card)

[ornate frost]

Honestly real, 99% of my runs these days are Jpom start

[dreamy veldt]

Every run I do card into pom unless I'm playing momskull, in which I do pom into card

[ornate frost]

I usually do Pom into Timepiece personally

[dreamy veldt]

Also valid

Moral of the story

Fates whim

[swift wind]

If I've picked up wicked thrasher, if I'm not using magic abilities what happens when I run out? Does the hammer shut off if there's no mana for the attack?

sorry not wicked, mirrored thrasher

[rain wagon]

Yeah, only double attacks if you have magicka

[dreamy veldt]

Do you guys know if it's possible to get a blast boon to under 2 seconds

[austere trail]

seismic servo

[dreamy veldt]

Oops besides that sorry

Just through levels I mean

[austere trail]

no it's a hardcap

[dreamy veldt]

That's what I figured ty

[sinful marlin]

Did you record this? I'm curious to see what 4 5 procs of blood triad on one special looks like

[rain wagon]

Yeah, here you go:
https://streamable.com/q2ismf

Ah, that was the wrong clip

Still shows it as well though

https://streamable.com/gkfj6l

There's the Typhon one, his hitbox is a bit annoying without Reaper Knives/Apollo special, so can't really proc it so often on him, works on pretty much every other enemy though.

[sinful marlin]

Very clever love it

Peak morrigan gameplay

[vernal quiver]

Wait thats sick what

Thats actually such cool tech maybe i do try 50+ fear with morrigan

[azure notch]

imo card is more useful than Chrolex at lower Fear. I didn't start using Chrolex until I started running Debt and Forfeit

[vernal quiver]

Low fear chrolex lets you buy out every shop basically so idk i dont find calling card all that much comparatively

[azure notch]

yeah it's not useless but I'd rather get higher stats than buy things from shops that I don't need

I only need like 1 thing from each shop. Maybe 3 from the last shop but you can do that without chrolex if you're not running debt

[flint widget]

furnace blast or grand caldera chat

[azure notch]

if you already have a way to proc Origination, then Grand Caldera

[sinful marlin]

Grand calderaaa

[azure notch]

also any time I take Chrolex without Forfeit, I end up with like 3 purges leftover at the end of my run because there are very few things I'd purge other than Onions. I usually only have like 4 or 5 minor finds per run and 3 of those get upgraded by Artificer. Sometimes I'll purge magick pots if I don't need them, but I'm not gonna go into a room with a Magick Pot reward if I don't need Magick Pots

[manic shuttle]

purging poms could be really good since 500 gold

or 400 I don't remember which one

[dreamy veldt]

I think watch is cool, but I don't use it very often cause I'd rather something else

I generally only end up taking it if I have a big gold mod from Hermes or chaos

Or Poseidon I guess

Or if I have Hermes legendary

[sinful marlin]

300

Major rewards are 300, chaos triple pom is 550

Minor rewards are 200 onion is 150

[manic shuttle]

holy hell, my memory sucks

[opal pecan]

TBF you might have had Quick Buck

[sinful marlin]

It's just built up from 20+ runs trying to clear 60f and dying af

[digital juniper]

we should be able to purge money for money kekw

[manic shuttle]

probably yea

[opal pecan]

QB is still my most taken boon to date lmao

[sinful marlin]

Not bad, it should give 300 gold

[digital juniper]

yeah conceptually that’s what it would be

[dreamy veldt]

I haven't had a look at my stats in a while

[austere trail]

Gold? Gold!

[ornate frost]

Speaking of Card, is there a resource anywhere that helps with determining which boons scale harder with rarity than others?

[crystal jacinth]

LMFAOO

[rain timber]

how to build and use aspect of nyx?

[austere trail]

splash or scorch on atk
if you can, get exhaust riser
use omega boost to keep up the nightspawn

goes without saying, but get origination activated as well

[rain timber]

so i just dash and spam left/right click

[austere trail]

yeah

[rain timber]

do i run unseen with it or nah?

[sinful marlin]

Typically you never run unseen, ever

Unless you don't have all cards unlocked then it's fine

[austere trail]

I do but literally everyone else here will tell you to not

cardio/flood gain is more than good enough

[rain timber]

so i can start with poseidon/hestia keepsake?

[austere trail]

yea

[eternal vine]

Unseen can be useful but it’s usually not

Once you have everything unlocked that is

[dreamy veldt]

That was like the easiest Typhon fight ever

Cast, omega attack, omega special, special special special special, repeat approximately five times

[eternal vine]

I have a loadout specifically for it that I use in the very specific case of “running a high-magic cost aspect like Hel or Shiva with both ranks of Hubris active”

[sinful marlin]

Bro bring hecuba don't run unseen 😭 😭 😭

[austere trail]

yea same lol, also with moros

[rain timber]

ya this is why i just run morrigan and call it a day

[opal pecan]

Why bring Hecuba when you could bring crit bird or dodge weasel

[austere trail]

gale's just better for survivability overall

[sinful marlin]

Mana me hecuba

[eternal vine]

Hecuba is probably the best summon overall tbh

[opal pecan]

Bless your heart

[sinful marlin]

Live and let live

[eternal vine]

Her attack is decent, the mana buff lets the early game get by a lot easier, she’s unequivocally the best one to use with aspect of Circe

Which as I’ve heard is the best aspect in the game

[dreamy veldt]

FINALLY maxed bond with Odysseus

Now all that's left is Arachne

Records checking time

[vagrant sentinel]

Yo im making a circe cast build but idk what to putt on attack and special plz @ me if you know it cus i got dinner

[eternal vine]

Something that gets origination online easily

[dreamy veldt]

Oh, I thought for 1000% sure that momskull would be my most used weapon now, but it's only 4th

[sinful marlin]

I don't want to force my understanding and opinion of the game on anyone but Gale is probably the best one to take with Circe since she follows you 24/7 and makes it super easy to layer casts together

@vagrant sentinel hera demeter on attack or special, ares works as well but I'm mostly agnostic to what I put on attack and special, the cast is the important one

[vagrant sentinel]

Ty :)

[eternal vine]

Yeah I was gonna say freeze or hitch

Freeze keeps them in your casts, your casts do aoe so hitch is very strong

[dreamy veldt]

Mel axe - 28/10
Mel staff - 20/2 💀
Mel flames - 17/3
Momskull - 16/11
Morrigan - 14/6

My top 5 used weapons

[azure notch]

I was told Raki was the best to use with Circe and I've seen the results of that. Raki basically sticks to the enemy so you can use cast anywhere in the area and Raki's cast will still put in work

[sinful marlin]

My own recent clear with circe was demeter attack heph special so that works as well

[eternal vine]

Might also be worth taking an Apollo boon just to lock him into the pool so you can get supernova and his omega cast thingy that I forgot the name of

[opal pecan]

There are different preferences/styles with familiars and Circe, which, if I'll be genuine for a moment, is part of why I was like "your unequivocal declaration is underinformed"

[dreamy veldt]

Flash fry is my most used boon at 48, with bridal glow and static shock at 47

[eternal vine]

Fascinating

[sinful marlin]

Raki is decent, I was able to clear 50f underworld with Raki and Circe but got hardstuck beyond that until I switched to Gale

[austere trail]

it's usually always gale, raki, and toula that people pick for circe

[dreamy veldt]

Calling card most used keepsake at 59, then pom at 51

[eternal vine]

For me its apollo sprint and then bridal glow

[sinful marlin]

Gale is awesome since she gives you huge effective hp due to blocks and passive dodge chance

[eternal vine]

Ok why toula

[dreamy veldt]

Because Toula is based

[sinful marlin]

This basically

[opal pecan]

Toula Circe is a different style where you're using her laziness to wrangle the leash more predictably, iirc

[sinful marlin]

I'm sure an effective enough player can make even frinos circe work

[rain wagon]

Because she's reliably on top of enemies (after waking her up)

Frinos and Hecuba... wander around, often away from enemies

[opal pecan]

Hol up let's not get too wild-- ( 😂 )

[dreamy veldt]

I've never done Circe without Toula

[rain wagon]

I prefer Raki with Circe

(yes, even on 62)

[dreamy veldt]

But that's moreso because Toula is my default unless something makes me choose otherwise (needing mana or HP or wanting crit chance)

And I basically forgot Gale existed until recently

Is there no way you can see how many runs you've done with each familiar?

[rain wagon]

Gale is very unimpressive until you get good at dodging all the tiny damaging enemies & turning on Vow of Pain

[azure notch]

I haven't disturbed Toula's naps since I started taking Strength instead of Death. She's just decoration now

[opal pecan]

It is a bit odd that we don't have familiar stats, now that you mention it. You could go through the Historian shade's records and compile manually ig

[opal pecan]

But she's very cute decoration! /longtime Strength user

[sinful marlin]

It's the same concept as white antler tbh

[azure notch]

she's the cutest decoration. Her little witch hat is adorable

[sinful marlin]

Depends on how good you are at not taking damage

[austere trail]

There should be an option to disable Toula’s DD without dying so we could run her with Strength

[opal pecan]

Toula's sister, who doesn't give DDs 😆

[rain wagon]

Not really, I just hate backtracking to wake up Toula, and I prefer having the casts on top of enemies, which makes Raki preferable over Gale.

[sinful marlin]

Isn't gale good for layering casts since she follows you always

[rain wagon]

Less about the damage vs survivability, more about the gameplay

[sinful marlin]

Bruh moment

[rain wagon]

Yeah, but she lags behind you, while Raki is always on top of someone

[dreamy veldt]

Raki just like me fr

[austere trail]

lol

[sinful marlin]

Well if you prefer that

[opal pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280788714790322176/1436454215492042833/image.png?ex=6911a3fd&is=6910527d&hm=131d7c33c73621a0752ceb6fca688a09560221d28aea26c273529140b6bcf04c&

Great-auntie are you trying to tell me something

[austere trail]

I once had that with Zeus haha

[opal pecan]

At least it's not triple mana ups

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280788714790322176/1437128253197385928/image.png?ex=69121d7c&is=6910cbfc&hm=eda2277a0595f9e769c42b3b19db97f1456da317f5eabbf324f933e68873f1da&

Quick Buck still undethroned, but I'm amused that the one (1) Hades blessing that made it to the first page is the one that's like "SCREW YOU, HOURGLASSES, go AWAY"

All my homies hate the hourglasses in Chronos p2

[sinful marlin]

Deep dissent is so so good even against typhon lol

Basically trivialises the phase where he tries to kill you with spinning tentacles since it stops the tentacles from spawning

[opal pecan]

I'm not sure whether the stats page counts the ones you get from jpom, now that you mention Typhon

[plucky pendant]

Wow I kinda expected Zeus and aphros duo to do some work with aspect of supay but it literally changed the entire pace of the game. Things went from dying at a moderate pace to they couldn't spawn fast enough.

[sinful marlin]

Love seeing this

[silent crow]

found the one molten touch user

[opal pecan]

Listen..... it's a Heph boon that doesn't interfere with the main slots or require armor or priming, and it frees up a hammer slot 😎

(that being said, maxed out Heph attack on Anubis was very funny, shoutout to forge uncle for that one)

[plucky pendant]

But it also wastes a god slot. Not always the worst thing but I tend to avoid heph unless I'm actively attempting something

[opal pecan]

I'm on FW baby, if he's there then he's there. I'd rather take him than Ares!

[austere trail]

heph is great support

[plucky pendant]

Ares it depends on the weapon. But honestly I'd rather take Ares then heph

[silent crow]

ares my goat

[opal pecan]

*Aries your goat

[silent crow]

tfym requre armor 💔 💔

[plucky pendant]

Simply for the double damage boon. Sure it only has a 0.08 chance of happening at max health. But if you have over 300 it slaps since you can get great % at around 100 which is still survivable

[silent crow]

none of the hpeh supports require armor they just give it to you

[opal pecan]

This is me being salty about Heavy Metal, don't mind me lmao

[plucky pendant]

Yeah but if you lose the armor then that boon is effectively worthless

[silent crow]

if you lose the armor the boons done it job because it just absorbed like 75 damage

[opal pecan]

No, tbf, there are a lot more boons of his that just straight up give you armor

[austere trail]

charon sells armour on surface region4 shop too

[rain wagon]

Not when I need it though -.-

[opal pecan]

RNG be like

[plucky pendant]

Have I mentioned my favorite win condition is face tanking. I don't dodge if I take damage I simply lose or survive to dish out my own. Armor does last more than 3 chambers with me

I am kinda joking but I tend to lose focus a lot and take a chunk of damage. If you build around heph he is absolutely a decent God but if he's a secondary God that you take because he is there he doesn't offer nearly enough to be good just like posidon (except you don't need armor to have his affects activate)

[rain wagon]

Gets a bit harder to facetank when you enable Scars 3 & Pain 3 on top of everything else.

[plucky pendant]

Yeah well I am only up to 24 fear and most of that is rivals 4 and the one that makes enemies be faster. So... I'm sure it does. But honestly I think that just makes heph worse. But why would you enable scars unless you are very confident in a run or have nothing better to use.

[opal pecan]

For the character development, obviously :p

[plucky pendant]

I guess.

[plucky pendant]

By makes heph worse I'm talking about what I take (rivals and speed) not no healing since I'm alot more likely to take damage. And lose the effects. I imagine it's actually nice to gain temporary health with scars.

[dreamy veldt]

Crow cutters build go

[flint widget]

call surface 007: 0 vibes, 0 fun, 7 different types of enemies that can delete all of ur hp

[opal pecan]

It's got a lot of vibes, it's just that most of the vibes are murderous

[dreamy veldt]

The surface is sick

[rain wagon]

Eventually, as you climb the fears, you end up with Void as the last alternative, which is.... Yeah, Void is not fun.

[hollow stag]

Does Ares Zeus Duo work well with Staff?

[ornate frost]

Zeus attack and pretty much any % boost special works great on Mel Staff, so I'd say yeah (though I'm not sure Ares would be my first pick)

[hollow stag]

Ares is the first boon and Staff has Bones thirst...

[blissful tulip]

im still not sure what builds to start out with for weapons. like for skulls, do i want % dmg or raw?

[stray pivot]

Only thing stopping heph are Wards and Hubris

[blissful tulip]

id imagine things with more hits would prolly prefer raw? so something like zeus or hestia?

[stray pivot]

Depends

[tawny imp]

is anvil ring any good

[ornate frost]

Depends but typically the rule of thumb is fast-attacking aspects like Blades and Coat prefer flat damage boosts (like Poseidon/Hestia attack) while slow, heavy aspects like Axe prefer % damage boosts (like Aprodite or Apollo attack), to give you some baseline idea

[blissful tulip]

right. and for those i kind get it. skull doesnt really fall into either?

[ornate frost]

Skull leans more towards wanting %

[blissful tulip]

it feels fast sometimes but its still very multihit

[ornate frost]

But yeah you're right it is sorta somewhere in the middle isn't it

[blissful tulip]

hrmm indeed. but its also somewhat ranged so no aphro. i guess ill try a demeter run

[tawny imp]

debating on using it with circe on howling soul

[ornate frost]

On the contrary, Aphro is one of the better attack boons for it

• the threshold for being "close" is more generous than you'd expect; skull is often played midrange rather than long range and is often still within Aphro's range
• also, though less safe, it is arguably higher DPS on skull to get right up in melee because when you're close enough, the skulls are auto-retrieved, allowing you to keep on blasting, and of course at that range Aphro is fantastic

But yes, Demeter is also solid so feel free to just go with that (there's also Apollo, who I believe offers a % boost that's between Aphro and Demeter)

[stray pivot]

Howling its not very good on circe

[tawny imp]

is soulfield or mirror better
im assuming mirror

[vagrant sentinel]

Does anybody have a build aspect of shiva?

[azure notch]

what are you referring to? Keepsakes? Which one is soulfield?

[tawny imp]

hammer

[opal pecan]

Hammers

[tawny imp]

for anubis

i keep running short on time for anubis

how do i deal more damage with it/clear rooms faster

[hollow lodge]

hammer

[opal pecan]

For me, the trick to clearing faster was to focus more on the (omega) special haha

[vagrant sentinel]

eos build plz

[opal pecan]

In the early game, sprinting through the Anubis shades is also surprisingly effective for getting rid of trash mobs.

[dreamy veldt]

I was doing a strength run to summon Athena

And when I died and like died for real I was like HUH?

Forgetting that I didn't have dd 💀

[ornate frost]

You really want a flat damage attack boon with Anubis (Hestia, Poseidon, Zeus can potentially work) alongside stuff that procs on-hit (such as Zeus static shocks)

Ironically, given what escalier says (which is probably a great thing, means there are multiple different viable ways to play), my main rotation with Anubis is either:

• if enemies are coming at you: Cast (for safety) -> Omega Attack -> run around doing regular Specials to drag enemies into the field and maybe activate some Shades
• if you're safe enough to get OAttack off first, then I do that -> then Cast -> then Specials

Flat damage attack and ideally either a curse special (like Zeus) or % special (like Hera), the Cast can be pretty much anything honestly, though I especially like Aphrodite because of the suction, esp if you're running Hestia attack for the duo

[amber iron]

What are some interesting momus builds yall have tried?

I feel like for me staffs are the most fun and that is the one staff I haven’t found a crazy build for yet

[dreamy veldt]

Apollo legendary

[amber iron]

Oh that sounds niceee

[edgy nacelle]

as the moment it’s prob the weakest staff, but it’s not actively bad!
apollo legendary is very fun (and will stack with mirrored thrasher).
you can also lean into cut above + coffin nail (and optionally cutting edge) since each repeat hit will proc it

I just had a very fun momus run last night with apollo attack + leg, cut above + the duos, and ares special + heinous affront
granted that’s a very specific 4 god pool, but it’s a fun combo when it works out

[opal pecan]

Lol what were you using for gain?

[edgy nacelle]

…….hecuba until fields midboss lmao

then ionic gain smh
actually come to think of it I did not get coffin nail, I never got a heph core he was just in the pool

[opal pecan]

dfhjgfhj lmao

[edgy nacelle]

with that pool I’d recommend apollo tho, by far

[opal pecan]

I was just thinking to myself "that is a thirsty thirsty build"

I guess Hecuba is good at fetching water :P

[edgy nacelle]

it is but it also doesn’t spam all that much! tbh I think I was just using omega attack, then dash strike special to proc heinous affront and deal damage till my snake turret expired

[opal pecan]

True, the gimmick coming in clutch for once

[edgy nacelle]

oh!! and howling soul + sword ring + meat grinder + prominence flare came together just in time for gramps

[opal pecan]

snake turret (snurret)

[edgy nacelle]

so then I was omega ca- LMAO SNURRET

but also I’ve come to the conclusion that I like momus more than mel axe or artemis daggers…
is this largely influenced by getting a fun run on it? yes

[opal pecan]

Nah, Momus is just objectively and scientifically more fun than Mel axe, and Artemis blades is arguable enough

[edgy nacelle]

however, priming out with sweeping ambush left scars (scars 3 even) on my impression of arty blades

I want to like them so bad but my runs were so un-fun…. my axe runs were arguably better feeling smh

I have started liking medea tho lol

I dmed you abt “white antler rivals” propaganda but. that was also medea. mad lad hours anterling an aspect I suck at but the build was simply too fun

[opal pecan]

Simply play them like worse Mel blades 🔥

[silent crow]

mel axe os awesome

[edgy nacelle]

that means learning to be good at mel blades
but also my winning build had back burner and the backstab damage hammer upgrade lmao so it very much was mel blades at home

[silent crow]

heavy weapons are great

[edgy nacelle]

honestly I’m more surprised that I enjoyed my mel axe run more than arty blades
but that said, playing arty blades just makes me wish I was playing morrigan tbh

[opal pecan]

Bit harder to DIY Morrigan ig 😂

[edgy nacelle]

I think it’s just that the thing I like best on arty is omega attack spam, and like… that just feels better on morrigan to me

[dreamy veldt]

Facts

[versed grove]

you can just spam omega attack :v easy backstabs

[amber iron]

That sounds sick, yah I’m a huge fan of staffs and albeit it’s the weakest I def want to see what fun combos I can pull off

[jolly aurora]

Tf is that profile pic

[edgy nacelle]

the humble and elusive Father of All Monsters 😔
also again lol I just like morrigan omega attack so much more. idm blades overall I just always get surprised how much less I like them than I expect to, when I use mel/arty

[versed grove]

even without backstab you can get like 7,000 damage on omega attack lol. lim and oros secretly hit harder than axe

[dreamy veldt]

https://x.com/rikku_the_leaf/status/1977454279813202156?t=wvH6ZZJQKV5vZN_-0Bti6w&s=19

˗ˏˋ Rikku (๑ↀᆺↀ๑)✧ˎˊ˗ (@rikku_the_leaf)

night 5. Olympus was kinda nice ngl #hades2

X · Oct 12, 2025, 7:20 PM

[jolly aurora]

Gods thats cursed

[dreamy veldt]

*based

[jolly aurora]

R 34 more like

[dreamy veldt]

??

What

[jolly aurora]

The pic looks like something you can find on r 34

[dreamy veldt]

Uhhhh

So crow cutters

What attacks and special do you all like best on it

[jolly aurora]

What in the subject change is that

[cerulean panther]

Hera and Apollo are my go-tos for Attack.

[dreamy veldt]

The kind where I wanted to know what boons people like on the coolest weapon

[cerulean panther]

Apollo is kinda just easy mode, your Attacks become enormous and with decent rarity and levels it also hits really hard.

[jolly aurora]

Are we talking specificly morrigan or just lim and oros in general

[cerulean panther]

Hera is for funny Blood Triad Hitch combos.

[dreamy veldt]

Morrigan specifically

[jolly aurora]

Actualy i dont know because ive used morrigan exactly like 3 times

[vernal quiver]

I kinda just do whatever and it works

Zeus, hera, Apollo, aphro, doesnt really matter

Final slice hammer with Apollo is funny

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah I mean, I was just wondering what your favorite is

[jolly aurora]

Also im realy the worst person to ask because I am a hardcore coat user

[cerulean panther]

I think you have to take an Olympian Curse on Special (unless you're that legend that ran an Omega Special build this last week), Hephaestus and Zeus are probably best.

[dreamy veldt]

That's fine I'm just asking generally

You don't have to be MorriganPlayer99

[jolly aurora]

Prop poseidon and zeus

With zeus on attack

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah I do like Zeus on attack with it

[jolly aurora]

I go poseidon mostly for the froth

[vernal quiver]

Hera is a nice one to get on atk with Zeus on the special

[jolly aurora]

And if I can get it i do like either hestia demeter or pollo on cast

[vernal quiver]

I do really like morrigan its my favorite from the knives, id use it if I wasn't pushing for a 62f clear with circe already

[edgy nacelle]

personally I’m actively happy with every attack boon other than heph, demeter, and poseidon, and even those three are fine. ig ares is also a bit meh, I’d rather have ares and heph on special personally.
morrigan is very versatile.
apollo hera and (perhaps surprisingly) hestia are my faves tho, followed by zeus and aphro

[civic salmon]

What is generally considered the best attack boon for Anubis?

[edgy nacelle]

scorch splash or blitz
blitz has the highest peak I’d say, but the other two get online faster

hitch is also fun, but I’d go on-hit effects > % generally

[civic salmon]

Interesting I've always found blitz to be easier to get going than splash.
as far as scorch goes I guess I just feel like it's not that hard to rack up that 999 scorch in general; feels like wasted potential to add to the attack, but I'm not like incredibly experienced

[ornate frost]

If you're running Scorch you generally really want the Pyro Technique boon as well otherwise the damage is reasonably lackluster without it (applies not just to Anubis but any Scorch build)

[edgy nacelle]

with scorch you really want to aim for pyro technique (or freezer burn) so applying more scorch is useful
I tend to save my rarify for pyro technique if I start with hestia

[civic salmon]

Absolutely, but even when I've done a pyro tech focussed run, I just never found it difficult to max out scorch

But possible I've just had very speicifc experiences lol

[edgy nacelle]

generally I try to pump rarity + poms into pyro technique until I’m matching the pace of my scorch application
but excess scorch isn’t bad so long as the dps is good, which generally it is

[signal mantle]

Do yall start with calling card or jewel

[civic salmon]

How does everyone feel about Island getaway + burning desire + glamor gain ?
I personally love that setup, but it's possible it's not actually very good lol

[edgy nacelle]

jpom always
calling card second sometimes or not at all (I take it if I’m still missing important boons, otherwise chrolex or a non-FW option)

[signal mantle]

Its good but do you really need perma weak to keep scorch applied lol

If you have aphro and hestia in the pool you probably can get like permanent 25% dodge that upgrades to 40% on scorched enemies

Just go to their face youre not getting hit anyway

[dreamy veldt]

I do card into pom unless I'm playing momskull then reverse

[signal mantle]

damn

I thought jeweled pom is just better but thing is that aphrodite boons get much better with rarity than they ever do with poms

[glass bone]

IMO, it is just better

Card’s use over Pom is rarifying nonpommable boons

[ornate frost]

Artemis boons, Hermes boons, Athena boons, Dionysus boons, and Hephaestus's Tough Gain... is there anything else I'm missing? Trying to think of the options off the top of my head

[oblique hazel]

jewelled pom every time, most of the time a level 4 common boon is about equal to a level 1 epic boon and i play with exellence anyway so chances are the pom will do more. also starting a run with unseen ire, gigaros dash or life tax is really good

[oblique hazel]

some specific god boons like mutual destruction or bridal glow cant be pommed

blood spree, buried treasure, spiritual affirmation, uncanny fortitude, theres a fair few actually

[silent crow]

Easy Shot

[oblique hazel]

i only take calling card in third zone if im looking for a secondary boon that works well with rarity, no.1 being pyro technique but sometimes ill take it for grievous blow, arc flash, maybe slippery slope? (also cold storage is very funny at level 4 heroic it makes your freezes last like 10 seconds lol)

[meager wadi]

does Eos generally work with most things? pos/hestia or a dmg% boon

[glass bone]

% Attack / Blitz Attack, On-Hit (Poseidon / Hestia) / Blitz Attack Special

[meager wadi]

aside from zeus whats most optimal for the special?

[glass bone]

IMO, Hestia

[twin ice]

which aspects should I max first with fear?

[digital juniper]

the aspects that you enjoy playing the most

[dreamy veldt]

Hint: morrigan and Persephone

[opal pecan]

There are a few aspects where they feel very different at level 1 vs at max, which you could take into consideration if you're torn between multiple, while for some others the rank-ups are more like nice additional bonuses, but

[dreamy veldt]

Level 1 vs level 5 mace 🔥

[rain wagon]

With aspects like Circe you might not even notice a difference between 1 and 5, while others are night and day difference. Nergal is probably the most insane difference.

[twin ice]

... but which are the strongest? objectively

[meager wadi]

does the atk speed hammers do anything for the momus resummon

[versed grove]

afaik it is a cooldown so shouldn't. Same for anubis staff, as the anubis staff seems to have projectile immunity timers instead of conventional attack speed.

[meager wadi]

they also dont cast fine line/ocean swell im assuming

recast*

[ornate frost]

Sort of a flawed question? Like I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that all aspects are created exactly equal, but neither is the difference so significant that it makes more of a difference than how well you'd do using an aspect you feel more comfortable with/whose playstyle jives with you more

Like Shiva could be the strongest aspect (it's probably not, but for example's sake) on the planet but I will still generally perform better with Mel Coat because that Coat aspect just gels with me much more

It also partially depends on what your goals are and/or what Fear you're running. For example, Medea Skull is an incredibly popular low-mid Fear speedrunning aspect but falls in favor at the really high Fears because it's a more reckless aspect/playstyle

So maybe I'd take Medea if I really wanted to get like a 6 min run, but maybe I'd take Persephone instead if I wanted like a 62 Fear clear

[twin ice]

@ornate frost well this leads me to another question, which is why I'm asking this, I'm trying to farm fear the most efficient way, so I want to max the "strongest" aspect first so I have easier time farming fear to max the other aspects, I'd also like to know the best "min max" of fear debuffs in order to get the most out of each run but also not make it too difficult and tedious with debuffs, is there a sweet spot of enough debuffs to get a good loot per run but also making sure it's not too difficult?

[ornate frost]

...you're gonna hate this, but this is another "it depends" because every person has different things they're good or bad at. For example, max Time is a completely free vow for me to take without even changing up the way I play, but most people only go up to Time 2 unless they're pushing past the 30-40 Fear threshold. Some people take up to Rivals 4 pretty early (I personally have Rivals 3 perma turned on by default) but others avoid Rivals entirely even for 32 Fear. I also don't mind Frenzy 2 but some people really don't like it and would not take it as an early Fear.

That said... some relatively universal ones are:

• Time is generally considered the easiest Fear, especially if you're only doing Time 1-2 and not Time 3
• Menace doesn't noticeably up the difficulty much compared to something like Pain or even Grit or Hordes
• Shadow is reasonably harmless, same with Fangs
• Hubris 1 is entirely free and even Hubris 2 is pretty harmless if you're running a low magick or magickless aspect
• I think Rivals 1-3 are free but not Rivals 4, you might hate Rivals entirely, very much a ymmv one
• Wards is pretty free for fast-hitting aspects like Blades but awful for slow ones like Axe
• Return is free but annoying as hell, and if you're not fast could eat up a lot of time
• Void is the worst one that you should typically avoid at all costs (the reason 62 Fear is a specific benchmark is because the difference between 62 and Max Fear is typically taking Void)

As an example, I've lately been doing runs to get a 32 Fear run on all aspects (almost done actually! I have literally one single aspect left and I'm just waiting on grave thirst to land on the weapon at this point), and this is what I run on pretty much every aspect no matter what (if it's a high magick using aspect, I'll generally change Hubris 2 into Hubris 1 + Pain 1): https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDAsNSwwLDAsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDAsOF0=

However, if you asked other people in here to give you their 32 Fear setups it might look completely different (many people likely won't have Frenzy turned on, a fair number of people may not have Rivals turned on, etc.)

There's not really a true one-size-fits-all answer (which I think is an objectively good thing, actually; I think there not being universally objective "best" aspects to level first or "best" vows to take first means the game's balance is in a healthy state)

[opal pecan]

Yes, it is I, the Rivals h8r

[tawny imp]

40F SURFACE BEATEN

(with void 2)

[glass bone]

For high fear, the best aspects overall are probably Mel Staff and Circe Staff, and depending on your skill, Medea.

Circe staff is the safest to play, and Medea deals the most damage consistently. But Mel Staff is in the middle of the two; it deals more damage than Circe, and is more safe to play than Medea.

[tawny imp]

moros torches aphro hera cores

[glass bone]

Other strong aspects for high fear include; Nyx Coat, Anubis, Eos, Moros, and Morrigan

[tawny imp]

on that note funny thing i learned is that if you kill typhon while phase shift is active the final cutscene plays out in slowmo as well

[ornate frost]

Given the context it doesn't seem like they're running high Fear and are instead pretty early on in going around unlocking/upgrading all the aspects

[glass bone]

Do note however, that the “strongest” aspects change a lot depending on if you are doing runs around 32, 50, 62, or 67.

[ornate frost]

Like I'm getting the sense these are sub-10 Fear runs they're worried about rn, much less 32+

In which case it really genuinely is primarily personal preference

[glass bone]

For example, at 62, Nyx Coat is the best coat. But at 67, Mel Coat’s better cause Nyx only gets 1 OSprint per room till you find some magick sources, or take Hecuba as a familiar

[glass bone]

Fair.

[tawny imp]

currently 2/48 to my goal (40f wins on both surface and underground for all aspects)

[rain wagon]

Omg, Goldie, please don't tell me you're doing them all at Void 2 😄

[tawny imp]

i am

see i am just instinctively disposed against anything that makes enemy stats higher

[edgy nacelle]

oh hey hell yeah, same goal (but not with void lol)
how many levels of rivals?

[tawny imp]

3

[edgy nacelle]

I’m also (mostly) not touching stuff like grit, hordes, pain, so we’re prob doing a similar setup just rivals 4 vs void

[tawny imp]

i have pain grit hordes scars debt and forfeit all turned off and 2 levels of void and rivals 4 turned off

honestly i should just turn off wards and turn on pain or something

because wards is the worst thing ever created

[edgy nacelle]

forfeit and debt are just not fun imo
I have two points of fear I swap around depending on weapon, so they go into wards on stuff with great barrier clear, hordes for stuff with great AoE but less barrier clear, scars 2 for extremely safe weapons, and veeeery rarely grit

[rain wagon]

My 4 fun fear: https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMywwLDYsMywzLDAsNSwwLDAsMiwwLDYsMCwwLDAsMTJd

[edgy nacelle]

at 40 at least, once I’m done with all aspects 40 I’ll prob do more high fear stuff 🤷

[rain wagon]

Happens to be 40 as well, which is funny

4 fun 40 fear has a nice ring to it

[ornate frost]

Once I'm done with 32F all aspects maybe I'll jump to 40 too, or maybe aim higher like 50

[edgy nacelle]

oooh interesting
my 40 fear set up is this + 2 fear from the list of vows I mentioned above, depending on aspect https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDIsNSwwLDAsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDAsMTJd

[rain wagon]

(To be clear, this is not the easiest 40 fear setup you can do)

[tawny imp]

its kind of a crazy goal because i only have 1 aspect on 32F lmao

[ornate frost]

Though truth be told, I might move on from the game before that point; I can admittedly feel my interest waning recently 😅

[tawny imp]

circe

[ornate frost]

I've gone from playing for hours each day when I first got the game to now only doing maybe 1-2 runs total per day, if I open up the game at all

[edgy nacelle]

for a fun fear run on weapons I love I might do your set up, since hordes and grit make the end of run damage board fun to look at lol.
but when I’m doing all aspects w some I dislike… eh

[edgy nacelle]

I think that’s healthy tbh
I’m surprised I’m still this into it

[tawny imp]

not looking forward to doing all the non morrigan daggers

although i did get mel dagger underworld out of the way first

[ornate frost]

It's funny you say that because of the 24 total aspects in the game, I am now at 32F with 23/24 of them, with Morrigan as the literal last one remaining

[edgy nacelle]

I just did heph blast cheese for both my mel blades runs lol
and arty blades have (so far) the least fun 40f run I’ve done 😔

[ornate frost]

Honestly wish I liked Morrigan more than I do because it seems really cool in concept

[tawny imp]

morrigan i think is the weapon i hvae the most fun with and ironically maybe the best aspect for judgement

[ornate frost]

But alas it just doesn't click for me the way Mel blades do

[tawny imp]

becausae not starting with origination or furies is not a big deal for it relative to other weapons

[ornate frost]

Yeah makes sense, Morrigan seems like it'd be one of the better aspects under Void 2 early on

[broken spoke]

Morrigan just so good with any boon, it work with everything

I love winner circle on morrigan can always pivot into omega cast build

[edgy nacelle]

tbh my thing with morrigan is that even if I ignore triads I still find attack spam and omega attack spam more fun than on mel/arty blades
and I love blood triads too

but the base move set just rly agrees with me, and feels strong if you just grab the right hammer and pivot into a non-triad build

[versed grove]

there is no objective answer possible to this.

[lost merlin]

sweeping ambush morrigan my beloved

[dreamy veldt]

I'm using Mel coat with Gale and I got heroic Apollo dash and chaos dash

And I currently have two ichors

Had to fight Hecate without attacking though lol

Now I just need to get ten poms in a row

And then go to Echo and double it

[edgy nacelle]

fish for nitro boost and take metalic droplet 💪

[dreamy veldt]

And also get Ares

[twin ice]

thank you for the detailed response, 2 more questions, how much fear is needed to max an aspect and what level does an aspect becomes good enough to use over the max level default?

[tawny imp]

I think at base Morrigan is pretty handily the best aspect

not just because triad it has a strong moveset in general besides its specials

[dreamy veldt]

Normal aspects take 5 nightmare iirc

[tawny imp]

but even that works fine for what it does

[dreamy veldt]

And hidden take 9?

[strong girder]

does anyone know how the as[ect of medea interacts with hammers that give power to attacks or the appolo boon that can let you double strike?

[versed grove]

Left click. Explosion attacks will now happen in 3 seconds or if you special into an enemy. tada

[edgy nacelle]

it interacts pretty much how you'd expect 🤷
it still counts as an attack, so +power to attack, +damage% to attack, and things like extra dose work identically to how they would on any other weapon

[tawny imp]

it works normally

[strong girder]

so does adding 15 power to attacks for a few seconds after dodging increase your damage if it expires after you loaded yourself?

[tawny imp]

the skull explosion for all intents and purposes is just an attack that hits later

[ornate frost]

1. So first, it's worth establishing:

• 0 Nightmare is needed to max a Mel aspect (other mats are used)
• 5 Nightmare is needed to max a non-Mel/non-Hidden aspect
• 10 Nightmare is needed to max a Hidden aspect
  The amount of Nightmare you get per run depends on the level of testament you're doing; it starts off at 1 per run but eventually goes up to 2 and even 3 (you can also get additional Nightmare at the final zone shop, as well as with the Crossroads delivery)

2. "At what level is an aspect better than maxed default Mel" is extremely aspect dependent

• for instance, some aspects, like Circe Staff, are nearly as strong already at level 1 as level 5 because the main benefit/perk is not what actually gets leveled (in the case of Circe staff it's the double casts, which is not tied to aspect level and is instead available immediately at level 1 of the aspect)
• other aspects, like Momus Staff, rely pretty heavily on aspect upgrades to be good
• also, even something as simple as "how good is a maxed out Mel aspect" is very variable; max default Mel Staff is considered one of the strongest aspects in the game period, whereas something like max Mel Flames might be overtaken much sooner by a different Flames aspect

[strong girder]

so it is the attack that gets doubled and not the action that results from pressing the attack button? coolio

[tawny imp]

yeah but also tbh you will almost never do expiration attacks with medea anyways

yes extra dose triggers when the attack hits the enemy not when you press attack

[versed grove]

you can also use omega attacks normally if for some reason you want to, just the regular explosion

[edgy nacelle]

you generally want to omega once per room (between waves ideally to save time) to proc huntress, if you aren't primed out

[twin ice]

alright, and is there any reason at all to do a 62\32 fear run other than self challenge? like is there any in-game reward or achievement locked behind doing that?

[edgy nacelle]

anything above 32 has no reward, and 32 itself only has an in-game cosmetic thing, not a steam achievement

it's just fun 🤷 but very optional

[ornate frost]

There is an in-game reward/acknowledgement for clearing 32 Fear Underworld and 24 Fear Surface, which is the highest Fear that you are acknowledged in-game for. Anything higher is for personal challenge/satisfaction.

[spiral wadi]

i like doing 62 now just cuz it's like 40% clear rate

[austere trail]

dang very cool

[ornate frost]

To give a more detailed answer, there are sort of 3 different Fear cutoffs depending on what specific reward is relevant to you:

• the highest Fear that a Steam achievement is tied to is 16
• the highest Fear that Testaments will ask you to go to (for Nightmare rewards) is I believe 20
• the highest Fear that is acknowledged in-game is 32

[twin ice]

@ornate frost lastly, I played hades 1 one but I forgot the strategy, what's the best way to go about when trying to snipe a specific boon\duo boon? whether it is for the build ur aiming for or for clearing prophecy, I know there's always RNG to it but in terms of what we can do, what's the best way to go about it? I assume there's trinket\arcana strategy that could improve the odds

[edgy nacelle]

god keepsakes + rerolls I'd say 🤷
hades 2 makes that easier overall with the way rerolls work imo, + also you can bookmark a boon in your codex (eventually) so you'll be reminded if any boons you're offered are a prereq for it rather than needing to memorize that/check manually each time. very useful for duo + legendary boons

also filling core boon slots ASAP so you stop getting offered those

[silent crow]

if you wanna snipe specific boons remember not to take unnecessary boons that unlock more boons

for example if u want an ares duo that isnt related to wounds u shouldnt take his attack or special because those will open up the wound related boons and make the pool to get a duo more messy

[ornate frost]

There are layers to the answer, so I'll try to answer them one by one:

• First, if you particularly want a specific god to show up, the best way is to equip their keepsake
• Second, if you want to maximize your chances of a specific boon from that god, you want to make sure you have no more than 4 Olympians in your pool; having more dilutes the pool and reduces your chances
• As far as Arcana goes, Queen increases the chances of getting a duo, Excellence increases the chances of getting a legendary, and the rerolls from Enchantress/Champions/Fates indirectly increases the chances of both
• Purchasing Yarn of Ariadne at Wells of Charon also very slightly increase the chance
• Filling up core boons (Attack/Special/Cast/Sprint/Gain) makes other gods stop offering core boons, which means you're more likely to get offered other things
  • for example, if you want a specific Zeus boon, then making sure you already have an Attack, Special, Cast, Sprint, and Gain boon (from Zeus or other gods) makes him more likely to offer something that isn't trying to fill one of those slots
• This is much more niche, but if you're running the Vow of Denial, that vow will trim down a god's pool faster than usual, which, if controlled properly, will allow you to get to the ones you're searching for faster

Lastly, just make sure you're checking your book to be extra sure that you've grabbed the prerequisite boons for the duo/legendary you're trying to hit

[edgy nacelle]

yessss this also
i.e. taking wounds from are- oh lol same example, sand

[twin ice]

this leads me to another question, is there like a good guide or someone that shares what's the best boons combos to go for, for each aspect? I assume different aspects work better with certain boons

[ornate frost]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide#article-start

There are other resources, of course, and also feel free to ask others in this or other Discords, but this is probably as good a place to start as any

[rancid fjord]

Hey is it known which, if any, of the omega boosting boons/effects work on the aspect of Momus? For a while I thought it was none, but I picked up "vampiric cataclysm" (whenever you slay a foe with your omega attack, restore 5) and that does work so its not a hard rule.

[edgy nacelle]

as far as I know they all do...?
anything which says "when you use an Ω move" will only trigger once, i.e. fine lines and ocean swell, since those trigger when you channel.
but anything which happens every time an Ω move hits will work every time, i.e cut above, vampiric cataclysm, weed killer, cross cataclysm, mirrored thrasher etc etc

explosive intent also, prob some I'm forgetting

[rancid fjord]

thats what I didn't understand. thanks!

I was specifically thinking of the run I did with fine line and ocean swell, I hadn't noticed the difference in wording

[edgy nacelle]

it's a bit confusing tbh! but that is the key wording difference and should be reliable for anything worded that way

[versed grove]

From my experience, I do not think anything that happens 'on cast' or 'on end' will happen more than once. On hit will happen each time. Omega cast repeat particularly is the annoying one, as Apollo damage on end will only trigger once, same with any cast boons(as it will only repeat the omega cast damage)

[rancid fjord]

for what its worth the game does not word it like that. The game says "your omega moves create" or "your omega moves also launch" for fine line and Ocean swell respectively.

Like I accept thats how it works, but I'll say it doesn't appear that way in game. That being said knowing that there is a group that does and doesn't work (and more imporantly that the above guide from Leera suggests moves that do in fact work) is helpful.

[edgy nacelle]

ahhh gotcha
then it might be the other way around, in terms of what to look for? i.e. explosive intent and cut above specify "for each foe struck" and "around foes they hit"

which means if they hit more than once you'll get more triggers

[rancid fjord]

you know what, I'll test some of the ones the guides suggests and see if they end up working

[sage flame]

the guide is goated 🙏

[twin ice]

@ornate frost is there a default all around good arcana cards build for everything?

[ornate frost]

For everything? No. Though the link I sent earlier has at least a reasonable template to start off with, and you can make adjustments as needed. The biggest adjustments you'll typically need to make though are:

• Death vs Strength
  • both are good, personal preference, but you typically want one or the other not both at the same time
• Fates Whim vs non-Fates Whim (this is mostly relevant for whether you're using specific postgame keepsakes; if you haven't gotten the True Ending yet, this won't be relevant)
  • if not, you really want the reroll arcanas (this is the default before you clear the game and get postgame keepsakes)
  • if you are, you can't have the reroll arcanas but can put grasp elsewhere
• Omega-heavy build or not
  • mostly this influences how good Night and maybe Eternity are
  • Night is really good on aspects that use it and a complete waste otherwise, probably the most situational swap

[oblique hazel]

ik i wasnt the one pinged but i put together an answer anyway

basic rerolls arcana setup (can swap death for strength): https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzExIiwiYzEyIiwiYzEzIiwiYzE0IiwiYzE2IiwiYzE3IiwiYzIxIiwiYzIyIiwiYzI0Il0=

basic fates whim* arcana setup (can swap death for strength and excellence for boatman): https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTgiLCJjMTkiLCJjMjQiXQ==

if youre using multiple different omega moves then swap huntress for night
-# *fates whim is a mechanic tied to post-game keepsakes and generally shouldn't be used unless those keepsakes are unlocked

[ornate frost]

I generally agree with this 👍 (though for Fates Whim I'll sometimes take Boatman instead of Excellence); also I typically run Strength over Death

But for Sader, yeah those are more or less what I'd recommend, so thank you for posting those templates

[twin ice]

is strength better?

[oblique hazel]

no worries

its honestly up to personal preference imo

[ornate frost]

Death and Strength are close enough that for the average player it's mostly personal preference

[twin ice]

then I assume strength is for better players who already know bosses by heart and can avoid critical hits

[ornate frost]

Typically it's a bell curve though:

• newer players are generally recommended to start on Death because they lose big chunks to bosses
• once you consistently don't lose DDs, or maybe only lose one total each run, Strength often overtakes it
• then once you start doing higher Fear (like maybe 50+), everything does so much damage that players will often turn back over to Death

[silent crow]

you would think that but at high difficulties death benefits from the game mechanics more than str so high level players end up taking death

[twin ice]

is the game best played with controller?

[spiral wadi]

it's not really that pain makes strength bad, it's that max scars makes strength bad

u have plenty of active dd recovery options but severely limited hp recovery

[uneven palm]

Yeah Strength is good when healing is cheap and plentiful, ie normally

[spiral wadi]

bring back charity bottle meta

[rare ermine]

And this is why i will never go higher than 50f
I dont want to go to death, i love my str too much

[silent crow]

True

[spiral wadi]

i mean strength isn't necessarily bad u can absolutely get 62 clears with it

it's objectively more difficult but worth it tbh

[edgy nacelle]

you can also just do 60f and never do max scars 👀

[rare ermine]

Watch as i jump into chaos get the healing boon easy

[ornate frost]

I personally play exclusively on controller, so I can't give you a mkb perspective, but it generally feels quite comfortable to me. The main advantage of mkb I think is ranged cast boons, which it feels like mouse would aim faster/more precisely, but otherwise I think controller's pretty solid

[silent crow]

mkb and controller are equal

[rare ermine]

Grit3 🤢

[silent crow]

why even have 20% global damage if you aren't going to test it

[edgy nacelle]

also while I never had success with this, vampiric cataclysm still working is fun as hell
getting it for anubis start is neat, works through scars 👍

[twin ice]

man the amount and choices of boons kind of overwhelming me, the rng game, I can't even remember the names of the boons

[strong girder]

i feel that

[twin ice]

yeah idk, I'm trying to read the guides and I get overwhelmed

[strong girder]

this one is digestible https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide#top its long but well indexed

[twin ice]

that's what I've been reading, too much for me

[rare ermine]

Why even play hades2 if im not having fun 😔

[twin ice]

bro lists 30 abilities right after another in 1 build I'm overwhelmed

[strong girder]

the stuff that comes earlier is the stuff for us newbs I think

[rare ermine]

I thought all healing effects were unusable but it turns out there are exceptions that we need to find out for ourselves or told to us via discord 😅

[strong girder]

its got information bubbles which are nice and summarize bits too

[twin ice]

how do I decide on the third god boon to go for

[meager wadi]

whats the best mel torch hammer if u just want to use atk

i got sudden burst, furious blaze, leaden blaze

sudden burst seems the best

[edgy nacelle]

there are weirdly many sources of healing that work tbh! off the top of my head:

• chaos healing
• nergal
• self healing (apollo infusion)
• vampiric cataclysm (staff Ωatk hammer)
• ghost onion
• life tax (hades boon/jpom)
  am prob forgetting some

self healing goes crazy tbh

[twin ice]

where?

[rare ermine]

30% of all dmg healed does sound appealing on high pain vow

[twin ice]

dumb question but whats the best way to dodge that sheep curse? I always get by it

[pearl wyvern]

I actually got tall order to proc because narcissus was nice and gave the rare reward of stardust and elements

[dreamy veldt]

Idk if it's optimal but I dash diagonally, since the ball has to curve to chase me I get a little bit of extra space

[edgy nacelle]

easiest way is frinos
you can also just dash back and forth through it ~6 times until it vanishes
you can also take movement speed and/or projectile slowing stuff (demeter arctic gale/frigid rush, hermes hard target) to trivialize it

[dreamy veldt]

I tried the back and forth thing but I somehow always mess it up lol

[pearl wyvern]

Why does it only work on frinos

[dreamy veldt]

Frinos blocks projectiles

[junior trail]

pos godsent should bypass scars smh

[edgy nacelle]

frinos has the special ability to block projectiles
it's kinda his thing, like how hecuba can restore magick

[pearl wyvern]

I thought his thing was HP increase?

[opal pecan]

From experimentation, it works best if you give yourself a lot of space to sprint back and forth in a straight line (do not try in tight corner), and watch out for anything that might hit you and mess up your timing

[opal pecan]

They have more than one thing! Just like Gale isn't ONLY blocks

[pearl wyvern]

I need to use Gale more

[dreamy veldt]

It's an effect and a stat

[edgy nacelle]

all the familiars do ~3 things
a passive increase (frinos hp, gale dodge, hecuba magick, toula DD, raki crit rate)
an active ability (frinos block, gale barriers, hecuba digging up magick + stun, raki marking + pecking, toula attacking)
and increasing the chance to find resources of a certain type, + gathering that resource for you