h2-builds-and-combat

[tired storm]

Haven’t cleared Chronos rival yet

[flint widget]

no strength cuz safety

[tired storm]

I see… and Hecuba/dog for the mana?

With Supay

[flint widget]

nah supay doesnt need magick

its all about the rush boon

plus ur attacks and specials fire automatically so

[tired storm]

I just feel like they’re so weak when not omega tho…

[flint widget]

try running this then

it requires no magick and is very powerful

equip poseidon keepsake to get breaker rush and find the other gods u need

[tired storm]

Pretty dependent on what gods show up lol but I can try

[jolly aurora]

i need advice

[tired storm]

I guess for keepsake I’ll go Poseidon > Athena/chaos > fleece?

[flint widget]

why the egg

[jolly aurora]

should i go for king tide or killer current or natural selection

[tired storm]

Free buff?

[flint widget]

its just king tide 100%

[flint widget]

yeah but like honestly its not worth it

theres are so many other keepsakes worth running over egg

[gaunt escarp]

Fascinating how leveling up a keepsake mid run can have such an advantage by resetting the number of times it can activate. It would be interesting if there was a late game unlock that lets you reset the level of a keepsake so you can get that bonus again. I'm not late game though so i haven't confirmed that it doesn't exist

[jolly aurora]

its just its a build that only realy uses poseidon as utility to get origination

[flint widget]

fig for time, phial for rarity, any god keepsake to get a specific boon, etc.

[jolly aurora]

its also mostly because i also have a heroic zeus atk

[flint widget]

ok well its just killer current then

[jolly aurora]

but i also havent activated frosty veneer and king tide will activate it

but honestly killer current is prop more worth

[flint widget]

also persona pfp is goated papereel

[split igloo]

heyy

[tired storm]

Thanks for the help, I got rush first boon, hope this run goes ok

[flint widget]

np

[jolly aurora]

whelp fck it we ball

i went killer current

dont need the dmg reduction when i have 3 dd's

[tired storm]

I brought toula since I’m running dd anyway too

[flint widget]

if ur struggling with the final boss just equip the engraved pin

invulnerability is huge

[tired storm]

Bro I’m struggling with Hecate using Supay 😭

[jolly aurora]

first phase killed

[flint widget]

just dash and dodge

thats literally supays gameplay lmao

[tired storm]

just don’t get hit 😭

My fave weap rn is Morrigan

Also love all the coat weapons

[flint widget]

ok wait ill do a quick supay run just for u

[tired storm]

Supay and I got beef

[jolly aurora]

i just got chronos

[flint widget]

watch me destroy rivals hecate

[tired storm]

Dividing Blaze, Whirling Helix, or Clean Coil hammer?

I got scorch special

[flint widget]

dividing blaze stuns enemies so dividing blaze

cuz sgg nerfed supay by not giving it stun

[tired storm]

I dislike how u have to stop moving to reactivate Poseidon Rush

[flint widget]

but the dmg is worth it

u can fix that by disabling auto sprint and just spamming dash

[tired storm]

Oh that’s nice ty. Then I don’t have to stop moving completely

[flint widget]

ok killed hecate

[jolly aurora]

so any recomendations for shiva

[tired storm]

Just beat Hecate too

[flint widget]

ok scylla done

imma be back imma eat

[tired storm]

Holy crap so fast.

I just got to oceanis

But I did get Zeus attack, Hestia special, Hera cast, Poseidon Rush

[flint widget]

ok that's nice

[tired storm]

From here which additional boons are my priority

[flint widget]

thermal dynamics, double strike, pyro technique

and that's literally it

ur dmg is set

all that's needed to do is not skill issue the fights

[tired storm]

For sure, thanks

[flint widget]

i won 62 fear supay with the build i told you so u know it works

[tired storm]

That’s awesome

I’m just trying to get thru fear 12 with rivals lol

[dreamy veldt]

Time to continue doing the Lord's work of playing this game

But the question is should I listen to game audio or to my music today

[flint widget]

hopefully you'll push that fear up when ur done beating chronos ass lol

[tired storm]

I bet someone has a hades playlist you can try using with the game 🙂

If you want something thematic, highly recommend the album Hadestown by Anais Mitchell. It was turned into a broadway play which is fine, but the original album is legendary

[dreamy veldt]

I wanna listen to heavy metal

[tired storm]

Go for it!

[dreamy veldt]

Gaming time

Ok trick knives on pan is so fun

[flint widget]

can confirm

[harsh prism]

The meme happened to me. White Antler on the summit

[hoary dirge]

The go-to special boon for the ashpect of pan is wave flourish but why?

[sage flame]

win fast hit hard :)

[jolly aurora]

king tide

[flint widget]

aspect of pan ideal special boon is hera tbh

[hoary dirge]

Ohhhh yeah makes sense

[flint widget]

better room clear but solid bossing dmg

[hoary dirge]

Wait a second i said ashpect
The typo is insane 😭

[jolly aurora]

honestly last time i did pan was when it was still early access

[hoary dirge]

But i mostly see a poseidon pan build

[hoary dirge]

Oh wow

[flint widget]

pan needs trick knives in order to feel good tbh

[harsh prism]

I died immediately to the elite lol. That was a crazy run, got Judgement from Circe AND upgraded piggy after poly

[flint widget]

it sucks without it

[jolly aurora]

yeah

[hoary dirge]

Yeah for real

[flint widget]

pan trick knives hera special is just pure dopamine for room clear

[hoary dirge]

Yeah but i really want maximum damage output for bosses and wardens
The only instance i go with hera's attack or special boon is for eos torches

[dreamy veldt]

Game just gave me heavy metal pog

[tired storm]

Okay so pin for final keepsake?

[flint widget]

ok papereel im done with my run

destroyed chronos

[tired storm]

nice!

[flint widget]

yeah

[tired storm]

its funny ive never used pin before

10 seconds just seems so inconsequential

[opal pecan]

Ten seconds is a lot! Hydraulic Might is ten seconds.

Just flip it around to put the 10 seconds at the end instead of the beginning :P

[tired storm]

but HM affects all chambers and gives a huge atk boost... this only affects one death lol

even so, i'll try it out

[opal pecan]

Pin refreshes for every chamber

It's not just one time

You could pop it 20 times in a run if you died every chamber and managed to clear.

[tired storm]

okay thats good to know. still i'm not on high heat so i'm running 4x DD

[opal pecan]

The normal DDs will help out in case you aren't able to clear in time.

You'll lose the pin charge for that room and use a DD if so.

[tired storm]

if it activated every time ur hp went to 0 that would be something.... but probably broken

[opal pecan]

Yeah 10000% broken haha

But once a room is already pretty strong.

[tired storm]

wait so will pin eat a SECOND dd if i dont clear chronos within the 10 seconds

[flint widget]

nah itll eat ur first dd

[opal pecan]

The way it works with pin + normal DDs is:

• you die
• pin procs, giving you 10 seconds of invulnerability and a deadline
• when the deadline hits, if the encounter is still going, the invuln ends and you use a normal DD
• you no longer have any pin charges left for that room

Also, after all this discussion, I'm lowkey offended on Hephaestus' behalf that Security System is only seven seconds long

SMH #Justice4Artificers

[tired storm]

Okay, pin it is. I need to upgrade it anyway since it's not epic yet

only ones i still need to max are pin, bell, antler, fig leaf, and time piece 🙂

[shy moat]

it's pretty good to dive in and just go ham even at that length

But in general I dislike actually picking all the short boost boons...

[tired storm]

and card when i unlock it...

[opal pecan]

The front loaded boosts are good for if you want to try going fast! I'm still holding out hope for the run someday when I will get a high rarity/level SS and also a high rarity/level HM, and be able to keep it into final boss so that I can Antler with my "protecc AND attacc" temporary-might build lol

[plucky pendant]

So apparently if scorch kills the final boss after you die it gives you the win? Huh cool

[opal pecan]

Hephaestus really be like "we have Hydraulic Might at home"

[opal pecan]

Are we talking with Pin or does it just keep running the encounter even after you die

[plucky pendant]

It keeps running the encounter for like a second and scorch got him.

So it just gave me a DD I guess so the game didn't break

[opal pecan]

Ah, was this the ||final Chronos fight for the story||?

[tired storm]

Cleared!!!

[opal pecan]

Did you end up popping the pin at all? :]

[wooden cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/348151957111701517/1436761408489525289/image.png?ex=6910c7d5&is=690f7655&hm=3fe55d45c3f0f04e8df1c6dc367115a8438e509e3e0604d31aa85a66d3b8c494&

AM I READY? :3

[tired storm]

I did on the third form but I had a brain fart and when I heard the countdown I hid because I thought Chronos was doing something crazy.

[rocky spade]

what kind of damage dealing a telepatic leash?

[tired storm]

It’s only my second time hitting rival chronos so idk his patterns yet… and I’d never rly used pin before so I was like what’s happening

[rocky spade]

attack or special attact or sigil?

[spiral wadi]

if you mean the psychic leash with aspect of circe, it is its own damage category

[opal pecan]

None of those, it's its own special thing. It is not boosted by anything that affects attack etc.

[tired storm]

Is it boosted by Zeus “minimum 50 dmg” infusion

[rocky spade]

understood

thanks

[opal pecan]

IDR the wording on AQ, if it says just "damage" then probably

/opens game
yeah, it just says damage

[plucky pendant]

No it was Typhon I died cause the run went bad however I had scorch but as I died the screen went black and then I saw the spear and Typhons red orb thing. But no Mel. And then after the cutscene it gave me a free death defiance. So I assume I won after I died due to scorch

[opal pecan]

If you saw the spear, I think you didn't actually die before killing him

[rancid fjord]

Ok question: How do I go about building for the Aspect of Momus.

My original inclination is to build for omega attacks, but after one run of doing that I realized that only the first cast (the cast you personally do) actually works with all those boons so I'm kinda at a loss of what I'm supposed to be building given that the turrets, as far as I can tell, only inherit the effects of your primary attack and special boons (also not the cast boon since you only get the omega pulses from the turrets)

[opal pecan]

Although.... Mel does usually appear in that cutscene doesn't she 🤔 that's bizarre

[flint widget]

ok 10:20 50 fear underworld lets go

[opal pecan]

Channel speed, gain, Cross Cataclysm, etc. if you want to lean into the aspect gimmick

[plucky pendant]

Well no not the spear more like the glow from the spear. The entire screen was black except for that glow and Typhons glow. Plus I know I was out of DDs and died I saw the spear and orb like 2 seconds into a black screen. I'm pretty sure that wasn't a normal win

[rancid fjord]

so cross my fingers that I get one hammer and the one hermes boon? (and maybe just maybe the chaos boon)

cause like I'm gonna be running the channel speed arcana

[hazy merlin]

I kind of like just aiming to have pretty good core boons across everything (+ good magick) on Momus since the gimmick is largely "fill the screen with stuff"

[rancid fjord]

does weed killer work on it?

[hazy merlin]

I don't see why it wouldn't, but I can't prove it 🙂

[indigo viper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3LV5QSmDng Sorry if someone posted it already, I don't see it on pin messenges.
I really like how he talk and explain some mechanics, choices and tricks albeit, as a non-native I understand maybe 70% what he said
I didn't expect that Aphro's cast and special work so well, especially on Medea.
And damn, that hidden spot in right corner of the area will be very useful on my own tries with vor typhon.

[flint widget]

yeah corner strat is so good for cheesing tongue slam

[opal pecan]

I can't say jack about max Fear but in general imo Aphro cast is hella underrated 💕

[flint widget]

weak is so underrated as a curse ngl

[spiral wadi]

aphro cast is so gooood

ppl sleeping on that thing

[indigo viper]

I mean, I like Aphro gain as curse applicator for low needed mana wep (like medea, lol). Almost permanent weak + origination.
I wish there will be similar boon for her like for Poseidon froh.

[flint widget]

tbh i dont like glamour gain for medea

[spiral wadi]

yea i swear i feel insane for thinking that aphro's weak t2 boons should also increase weak duration

[flint widget]

cuz huntress

[spiral wadi]

it'd compensate for how ass passion dash weak app is

[austere trail]

well isn't any gain for medea bad unless you have possessed array

[spiral wadi]

prob not bad as much as it would be a redundant core

it would proc orig tho

[austere trail]

yea but at least glamour gets the curse

[spiral wadi]

like 50% global better than 50% on atk/spec only

sometimes i feel insane but i also feel like it'd be so good if they nerfed orig to like 35% then juice up the other dmg buff boons like glow, weak t2, uncommon grace, etc

this is from me playing 65 and 67 attempts, any dmg modifier boon felt like crack

[flint widget]

hope u dont overdose

[spiral wadi]

too late

[flint widget]

rip red (insert year u were born)-2025

[dreamy veldt]

Activating 7 arcana at once after beating Polyphemus feels pretty cool

[austere trail]

you finally maxed judgement?

[dreamy veldt]

Oops it activated one with rerolls

I've had maxed judgement for forever I just don't use it lol

And Circe keepsake

[plucky pendant]

Hey I finally did it. I felt like everything dies in one hit most of the time regardless of hitch and bosses are usually by themselves so I think I honestly prefer Apollo. I did try Apollo special and hera cast as well and that did really good. But overall Apollo and Demeter feel the best for me. (24 fear underworld axe aspect of Charon)

[dreamy veldt]

I guess I can force a god

Been like a month since I've done not fates whim

Circe upgraded judgement and strength for me, based

[austere trail]

this might be your run

[dreamy veldt]

I'm playing on 0 fear so it better be

Just messing around for funzies

[opal pecan]

This is a callout post for the Fates, who keep putting Grave Thirst on the skull. Please put it back on the coat for once. Yr obt svt, me

[plucky pendant]

Man Hecate just kicks my ass in rivals if I'm not prepared. I guess that makes sense but damn 3 DDs gone just like that

[opal pecan]

She does that, yeah. Someone was like "oh just put on Rivals for your 32F", I tried it, she kicked my ass, I said nope forevermore.

[pine ridge]

tbh when I lose a couple DDs on a boss I just go down to zero as an excuse to see Athena hooray (assuming i have rerolls)

[plucky pendant]

I mean that's probably what I'll do. I like both the end rival fights. And it's literally half the fear right there. Honestly the bosses aren't usually what get me in a run it's the basic enemies whitling down my health

[dreamy veldt]

I have 540 HP 😳

[opal pecan]

You do you, absolutely. I'm just screaming as a viewer 😆

[austere trail]

32F without rivals is so painful though 😩

[opal pecan]

I died z1 when I put on Rivals. Then I took off Rivals and instantly had a pretty smooth run, all things considered.

Q! E! D!

[austere trail]

lol

[dreamy veldt]

Also hearty appetite

Lol 450+ damage attacks

[dreamy veldt]

Oh wait that was with the Poseidon first ten seconds thing sad

My real attacks are like 380

[rocky spade]

i dont realy undetstand, is the "polymorph" moon spell do anything to bosses, by it's own effect?

or only if you by +400 dmg upgrade?

[dreamy veldt]

Oh, I just assumed judgement would never activate death if you're running strength

I was mistaken

I have 24 arcana activate though so that's cool

[opal pecan]

Yeah no that's an entire meme lol

[opal pecan]

It still does damage to bosses even without that upgrade, if you read the hex description; it just is insignificant damage unless you have that upgrade.

[manic shuttle]

and you get some iframes

[rocky spade]

and it's all? not counting for curse effect to arkana, or activate a other upgrades on moon spells?

[opal pecan]

It will inflict the other effects, it's just that the boss won't be transformed

[rocky spade]

ah

so it's not just usless

[dreamy veldt]

Nooo I didn't get to 600 HP before the end

Only 588

[rocky spade]

intresting what i found in another "usless" spell that i dont pick anytime

*will found

[tawny imp]

is zeus attack or special better on base dagger

[gaunt escarp]

It would be interesting if there was a boon that was like success rate, but for cooldown-based boons, such as hephaestus's blasts

[tawny imp]

google seismic servo

[gaunt escarp]

Holy hell

[opal pecan]

It's definitely very much not useless!

[tawny imp]

game please just give me trick knives

[rocky spade]

i will try... may be

[dreamy veldt]

160k damage from attack 😳

[inner elk]

can we talk abt secret aspects here

[tawny imp]

what weapon should i use today

[austere trail]

anubis

[opal pecan]

Channel description

[dreamy veldt]

I'm about to play Mel staff

For like the first time since I had any other option

[opal pecan]

It's pretty good

[glass bone]

For high fear, it’s arguably the best in the game

[dreamy veldt]

Immediately got the hammer that upgrades my omega special poggers

[glass bone]

Circe is safer to play, and Medea deals more damage, but Mel Staff has better damage than Circe, and more safety than Medea

This just gave me a great idea… “The Triforce of Hades 2 (High Fear)”

[dreamy veldt]

Wait what

Why is my normal special doing the same damage as omega

[glass bone]

Yeah… so Mel Staff’s bonus makes Special deal the same damage as OSpecial on Momus / Circe

And that’s one reason why it’s super strong

[dreamy veldt]

No I mean like

My special is 120, and so is my ospecial

[glass bone]

Oh. What hammer is it?

[dreamy veldt]

Aesthetic moonburst

[glass bone]

Do you have Huntress?

[dreamy veldt]

Oh sorry nvm

Yeah it was huntress

[glass bone]

Yeah cause Huntress is +50%, same as that hammer

[tawny imp]

is static shock good on anubis

[dreamy veldt]

Got heroic nimble limbs and Aphrodite attack

Now give me mirrored thrasher

Do I want Poseidon Zeus or Demeter

Oh I guess I have to take at least one

Got power surge, that probably is so funny with mirrored thrasher

I also have support fire

Gonna start making my game lag every time I push attack

Omg had Circe activate one singular of my inactive arcana

Strength

[bronze tundra]

stronks

[dreamy veldt]

Got extra dose too

If I don't get mirrored I will cry

[opal pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280788714790322176/1436797655802970273/image.png?ex=6910e997&is=690f9817&hm=f49ef4889cb6e2ee5dd91c96382aed605dc3ced6fcb33599de5d072fe3ec74aa&

So this is what happens when I don't have a beefy enough special to crutch on with Anubis lmao

I don't know what I'm doing wrong!!!!!!!

[austere trail]

whoa I don't think I've ever seen the dmg numbers be that low

[opal pecan]

IKR

One thing I did notice was that sometimes when I was trying to special, it would.... randomly fire off a new attack? Thus destroying my previously set up omega attack field?

IDK if that's just my mouse being old and crappy or if there's a mechanic I should know about

[austere trail]

hmm, idk if I've ever had that

[dreamy veldt]

20 encounters covers Olympus + summit right

[opal pecan]

It should yeah, Summit is super short

[dreamy veldt]

Wait if I take Icarus keepsake right before Olympus, will it not give me a hammer like it usually does

[opal pecan]

Why?

[dreamy veldt]

I thought it like checked how many hammers you have before offering you one

[opal pecan]

No.

[dreamy veldt]

Oh, I guess I'm making things up lol

I only ever see hammers in second region if I skip one in first

Same with 4th and 3rd

[opal pecan]

I really hope it's not my mouse, because the manufacturer discontinued this mouse model and I am bad at adapting to changes in my environment 😭

[rocky spade]

aaand the twilight curse instantly destroing typhon eggs

intresting side effect

[opal pecan]

It's very good!

It also eliminates/identifies Hecate clones.

[rocky spade]

rly?

[austere trail]

wait what

I didn't know that, that's sick

[rocky spade]

but still, lunar ray better

IMAO

[dreamy veldt]

So can you like naturally get offered three hammers in a run?

[opal pecan]

Naturally, you can't, but you can finesse it with various non-room-reward methods.

Keepsakes, Echo, etc.

[dreamy veldt]

So it does count hammers

[austere trail]

also the anvil in region 4 endshop can give you a total of 3

[dreamy veldt]

It just doesn't count the ones you get unnaturally?

[opal pecan]

This sort of depends on what you mean by "it".

[dreamy veldt]

Once you have two natural hammers you won't get offered anymore, yes?

[opal pecan]

The unnatural methods don't give a crap about how many hammers you already have. The room rewards, however, do.

[dreamy veldt]

So that's why I was wondering if you have one natural one unnatural hammer, will you still get offered another

[rocky spade]

you still can get an anvil in the and

[gritty solstice]

Someone has a build for Mel Axe?

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah just talking about the hammer not anvil

[rocky spade]

+keepsake can give you another one

[dreamy veldt]

So if I pick Icarus keepsake right now after thessaly

[opal pecan]

Icarus keepsake is not a room reward.

[dreamy veldt]

I will still get offered another hammer

[dreamy veldt]

Yes I know I'm just trying to make sure I won't mess myself up

[rocky spade]

yes, it doesnt count

[dreamy veldt]

Ok

[opal pecan]

I think if you look at how it's set up, it's not as a normal hammer in the boons section, it shows up above your MP bar like other temporary effects.

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah it does

[rocky spade]

so you can pick it in 3 region, and still get another hammer on room

[gloomy imp]

Honestly I think twilight curse is very underappreciated, it can turn tough enemies into garbage and essentially gets rid of them instantly

[rocky spade]

it very usefull... but not on the bosses

[gloomy imp]

I mean most of the times I appreciate room clearing value more than bossing

[opal pecan]

Still useful on bosses. Adds, Typhon and Hecate use cases, +400dmg and other things

[rocky spade]

in bosses stil has better choices

eggs not a real problem, 400 dmg realy almoust nothing

damage bonus good

but still

[dreamy veldt]

Alright so surely I'll get mirrored

[silent crow]

400 free is a decent bit

[rocky spade]

and still, most of the others moon spell gives you MUCH more on the bosses

[opal pecan]

When I'm on Shiva it's very funny because I use one (1) omega special and I instantly have 400 damage to boss

[zealous crane]

morrigan is so weird for me to play, any tips with it? good gods or boons or just playstyle

[gritty solstice]

Hey, someone knows an Good Mel Axe build?

[stoic shuttle]

So what gods/boons you want for morrigan daggers?

[dreamy veldt]

no hammer in first reward of Olympus

[gloomy imp]

They definitely do, but they also require more investment, while twilight curse gives a lot of value simply by picking it up and never upgrading it, in that regard I think it's the best Selene's spell in its base form

[dreamy veldt]

You guys better be right

[opal pecan]

You're not guaranteed a hammer

[rocky spade]

hammer with +300% on last attack feels rly good

[zealous crane]

I really have nothing specific in mind, whatever works well

[zealous crane]

last attack?

[dreamy veldt]

If I only have one going into Olympus I feel like it's always offered first room

But maybe just confirmation bias

[austere trail]

triggering blood triad all the time works well for both room clearing and boss fights. I usually do it with special -> attack into omega attack which is pretty fast. dropping casts also helps a lot

[rocky spade]

not always

[dreamy veldt]

I do attack>omega then special

[zealous crane]

i see

for gods are there any which are like really good with it?

[dreamy veldt]

Omg a hammer 😍

[austere trail]

I like putting aphro, apollo, or hera on atk for the %dmg increase and then whatever on special, (hopefully one that applies a curse for origination)

[dreamy veldt]

IT DIDNT OFFER ME MIRRORED

[zealous crane]

thanks a lot!

[rocky spade]

blame for icarus about it

[gloomy imp]

Personally I think with Morrigan, Hestia is the attack boon I always look for, but % damage also strong

[austere trail]

scorch is goated tbf

[gloomy imp]

Yeah it's crazy lmao

I could pick scorch or almost any weapon

[thorny raft]

hii whats the usual build on selene??

[rocky spade]

hera spesial attack boon, special omega attack and the hammer with 2 more bounces is best option on that

but it has a lot more good options

oops

mistake( sorry

[gritty solstice]

what's the usual build on Mel Axe?

[dreamy veldt]

No anvil

Life ruined

The build was still super fun tho and felt really good

26% wispy wiles, don't think I've ever had it that high before

Too bad I don't have either of the other dodge boons

218k from specials pogger

[gritty solstice]

why is everyone ignoring me...

[zealous crane]

just did no hit rivals typhon with that, thanks a lot again

[austere trail]

ayyy good stuff

[pine ridge]

Hera, Aphro, Apollo, or Demeter on Attack

and then do Attacks and Omega Attacks. maybe pivot to Omega Special if you get a great Hammer for it early

as a newbie I liked starting with Demeter's Keepsake for Freeze on either Attack or Cast (Cast preferred) for safety. Demeter is great mid-run as well for Omega Attack boost, Gale (for easy Origination), and her defensive Boons

[dreamy veldt]

Sorry I'm not good so I don't answer build questions

I always go for Demeter attack Hestia special and Demeter Aphrodite duo

[jolly aurora]

gods im gonna die inside the next comming days

[gritty solstice]

why°

?**

[jolly aurora]

greater chaos trials

[brittle plank]

are 62 fear clears usually just max fear but with only 1 stack of vow of time? i hear the number get thrown around a lot but never was clear on what vows people actually take

[hazy merlin]

All Together and Nervous Wreck in final shop... the fates really want this run to succeed huh

[ornate frost]

62 fear is every Vow except Void, typically

I think some players vastly underestimate just how much you’re actually getting from Arcana, but Void tends to be by far the most punishing Vow

[brittle plank]

interesting! i always run judgement so i wouldn't have expected that its so popular at high fear to take 0 stacks of void.

[dreamy veldt]

Which other three do you run?

I just did a judgement run with persistence death boatman

Nope that's a lie

Persistence strength boatman

[jolly aurora]

Gods im stressed

[dreamy veldt]

Take a breaksies then

Do a normal trial

[jolly aurora]

Nope I wont because I just finished the greater chaos below trial

[dreamy veldt]

So?

[jolly aurora]

Just feeling the adrenaline and stress still

[rocky spade]

just go to the potatoe beeng

[dreamy veldt]

Well if you don't want to feel that then you have the power to change it , but if you want to feel that then Godspeed

[rocky spade]

potato dont expirience stress

[brittle plank]

i've had an enormous amount of success with the lovers + night + strength (though i used to run death before i did the math on strength) - it lets you start with 7 arcana activated which, while running a Fates' Whim keepsake, guarantees you'll have every arcana you can by the final boss (since judgment won't break Fates' Whim if you have something in your build that relies on it, and if you use something like jeweled pom in the first area you're 100% safe)

i've been running a lot of 32 fear recently trying to get clears on surface and underworld with every weapon aspect and every single time i start with jeweled pom and those 3 arcana and it's gone fairly well but i might be unique in seeing success with that playstyle haha

[tawny imp]

for judgemnt i personally run wayward persistence and strength

i really like the survivability you get from those 3 in higher heat

[lavish flare]

which of the aspects should I max out next: Momus, Moros, or Morrigan

[jolly aurora]

Depends on your play style

[lavish flare]

I guess I'm asking which is most fun of these 3

[jolly aurora]

That realy depends on how you like to play

[vivid cedar]

For Chaos trials, are keepsakes and weapons leveled, or are they based on the strength you have them at before starting the trial?

[merry kiln]

im trying to farm 2 more nightmare atm; need to beat scylla with staff and then i think if i beat cerb in the same run i'll get one too? if i have an extra fear

anyone know any sort of turn your brain off mel staff builds that would be neat

[jolly aurora]

Im pretty sure thet are at the level you have them at

[harsh prism]

I think Moros is my favorite but I love the flames. Morrigan is cool but it's like... High apm? I'm not actually sure if it's good but it's also fun

[ornate frost]

I would play them all a few times at level 1 and then level the one you like the most.

If you like them all equally though, I’d say Morrigan probably benefits the most from upgrades while Momus is second (or maybe swap the two?) but Momus is also probably the weakest of the 3

[dreamy veldt]

Morrigan, ignore all other answers

[lavish flare]

haha ok period. I'll take this totally unbiased advice

[opal pecan]

I would say perhaps that Morrigan is one of the aspects that benefits most from level ups

[edgy nacelle]

morrigan or moros
altho.... momus REALLY wants to be maxed out to feel good at all. it's just also the weakest of the three, I'd say, the other two are genuinely very very good weapons

[glass bone]

Zeus Attack, % Special. Dash Attack -> Special. That’s it

Well in theory the most brain off is Aphro Special into Dual Moonshot

But Zeus Attack % Special often gets Origination up alone

[rare brook]

What to do that pool to sell boons appears every room between regions? So far I have it only just in Tartarus

[edgy nacelle]

sell enough boons in tartarus to unlock an incantation, iirc

[rare brook]

Oh...

Game doesn't tell you this

[dreamy veldt]

It doesn't tell you a lot of things that's the beauty of it

But u didn't even know you could get it elsewhere lol

[plucky ore]

Is there a good Fates Whim arcana setup that includes The Queen?

[dreamy veldt]

I just choose the ones I like and make sure I don't click rerolls

[plucky ore]

I was hoping for one that hits the full 30 grasp but it seems impossible

[viral yew]

No

[edgy nacelle]

in general it doesn't tell you any incantation unlock requirements
most of them are just "do the sort of thing which tells the game you want that sort of incantation," i.e. giving a lot of gifts to unlock viewing character relationships, gifting a lot of gods to unlock viewing boons

[viral yew]

Queen is overrated

[dreamy veldt]

Queen is the duo one right

[edgy nacelle]

the only way to include queen with fate's whim is taking death AND strength, which is almost always a bad idea, so nah not really.
if you can naturally get queen then it's a nice bonus, but it's not worth warping your build around
oh you can also just use under 30 grasp lol, but that's bad for obvious reasons, wasted potential 🤷

[dreamy veldt]

I used it when trying to get all the boons

But I think I don't anymore

[edgy nacelle]

queen is very easy to have with a reroll setup tbh, I like having it when I can, I just wouldn't make the rest of my loadout worse to force queen to work

[plucky ore]

Replace it with Night and Furies then?

[tawny imp]

using the worst weapont o beat 40 heat (artemis dagger)

[edgy nacelle]

yup! or a 3 cost + another 1 cost
or just.... every 1 cost + furies or something
there are lots of good options

[dreamy veldt]

Is Artemis dagger riposte

I like that one

[glass bone]

I used Artemis recently to beat 62 Surface. It oddly did better than Mel Blades 62, but I assume it’s cause both had TK, but one had Hitch Special, and the other didn’t.

Imo, the worst aspect (FOR HIGH FEAR) is probably something like Mel Axe, or Shiva

[tawny imp]

ihatewardsihatewardsihatewards'

[austere trail]

you know what would make wards easier

[glass bone]

Gigaros Dash?

[glass bone]

BNB?

[austere trail]

consider this though: not having void 2

but yea gigaros dash is very nice

[glass bone]

Wait why not have void 2 for wards?

[tawny imp]

i wanna try heph run but at the same time jeweled pom and just waiting until i see heph feels way better than using his keepsake

[opal pecan]

Plus the jpom levels make his boons so much better <3

[tawny imp]

yeah exactly

btw i tried a chaos trial and what the hell

its so easy

after frenzy 2 time 3 is turned off everything just feels so much easier

what does returning to a real possibility do

[opal pecan]

Replay the main story

It'll tell you in great length and detail about exactly what it does if you do the incant

[tawny imp]

i heard theres a quick reset incant

[opal pecan]

Seed reroll? Acceptance of Another Fate, yeah.

IIRC based on what people have said, the reqs for that include finishing the entire story, doing 16F, and beating each of the final bosses 7x.

[austere trail]

I was just making a joke about how having void 2 at anything less than 63 fear is making the game a lot harder

I tried it the other day at 24F and it's so rough, can't imagine it at even 32

[harsh prism]

Does hitting wards stagger enemies?

[silent crow]

nop

[opal pecan]

It's not quite so bad....... if Void 2 is your only Vow 😂

[odd bolt]

what if you were having a good speedrun
but grandpa said:
https://i.imgur.com/KxJ0tNK.png

[opal pecan]

Was it a good room reward? I just skip those tbh

[winter zenith]

Been losing my 40 fear attempts to Rivals 4 Chronos...not sure if I should keep Rivals 4 on for climbing later or if I should go down to Rivals 3 just to clear 40

[odd bolt]

i dont remember what it was

[odd bolt]

but like, i thought this was random? can you avoid this somehow?

[opal pecan]

Once he teleports you, if you find the portal thing, then leave the magic circle, then the circle expires after a few seconds and you end the encounter

If you do this, you lose the room reward, but you save time.

[winter zenith]

Is Wards 2 advisable for 40 fear Morrigan?

[odd bolt]

i didnt know

the reward for this was ASHES if only i knew...

oh well

[sharp hornet]

Guys, should I get Hades?

[true gust]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/459353369174081538/1436904156790128692/image.png?ex=69114cc7&is=690ffb47&hm=f04fd3da1630f4aafe25ed745a422f0fc9bd41db0a9667b2e023a7a18aa137f9&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1445&height=813

Its in polish

But I got no hit

With a red dress periodt

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459353369174081538/1436904362248245409/image.png?ex=69114cf8&is=690ffb78&hm=7b57305ab975c1f975243818e52d0ef34eb1d7ca82f2ae52a58c84c1dfb0d641&

[winter zenith]

It sucks when Narcissus decides to not give you gifts when you're doing 40 fear runs

[tawny imp]

I mean I assume this discord will say yes

What do Yall think is the best hammer for each weapon

[dreamy veldt]

What do you mean

Oh wait nvm

[pearl wyvern]

Possessed array fight me

[silent crow]

Staff: Dual Moonshot
Blades: Trick Knives
Torches: Clean Helix
Axe: Psychic Whirlwind
Skull: Possessed Array
Coat: Exhaust Riser

its aspect dependent too for some of them

mel axe wants dashing heave for example

[junior trail]

staff: mirrored, dual, shimmering
blades: trick knives, wicked, final (morrigan)
torches: inverted, clean, hidden
axe: psychic, giga, dashing
skull: possessed, fetching
coat: exhaust

[pearl wyvern]

Hidden aspects have their own hammer choices too

[broken spoke]

Nergal unique hammer options is so dumb

[pearl wyvern]

Hel skull wouldn’t work as well with possessed array compared to ones that make Valkyrie form better

[broken spoke]

Idt possessed array show up for hel

[pearl wyvern]

I haven’t payed enough attention to notice that actually

[junior trail]

heaven aint that bad tho

[azure notch]

is there an animal familiar that people use with Moros? My guess is Raki would be the best overall but is it better to spam Gale in higher Fear (I'm at 44 right now)

[silent crow]

i think hecuba is useful

[tall notch]

Possessed array wouldn't work with Hel, it's got its own set of attack hammers

[tall notch]

My Moros 62 just used Hecuba, at higher fear it can take a moment to get your gain so the dog is useful

[azure notch]

and do you use controller with auto aim or do you use keyboard mouse?

[edgy nacelle]

hecuba + born gain? 👀 altho I assume fate's whim so prob just... grab whatever works

[tall notch]

Kbm seems popular in high level play but I adore controller movement too much to do it

[tall notch]

It's the latter, my run ended up with Poseidon iirc

[edgy nacelle]

I'd also say whatever you're used to will feel best
I suck at controler so kbm is better for me 🤷 and I like mouse aiming. wasd is like... okay, but I'd imagine controler movement is flat out better

[whole charm]

I need to know why people like the Aspect of Medea because i cannot get this thing. I know how to use it, but it just does not perform that amazingly when i use it. Skill issue probably, but does anybody have any good builds that can get me on team Medea?

[misty siren]

I was wondering if we have a tier list for mana recovering boons. I was wondering which ones I should focus vs avoid. Also, does anybody know a good build for the jet patch missile weapon, (I forgot its name)

[tall notch]

In h1, I spent a while on kbm! My first 32 was kbm. Controller movement felt like instant improvement when I got a controller though, and that was despite me still having to get used to controllers at the time

[silent crow]

hera attack zeus special is least RNG

[whole charm]

Apollo's mana recovery is easily the best in my opinion. Just spam your normal cast and you get instant mana regen

[silent crow]

dont load all the skulls at once load one and then special

[misty siren]

I'll try, I always forget to use it when I get it

[silent crow]

apollo & hera are the best, zeus demeter and poseidon are good, and heph is bad

aphrodite is good not for magic regen but to spread weak & ares is usually bad unless ur doing a full plasma build

[silent crow]

u should always be casting in this game

[edgy nacelle]

it's largely weapon dependent tbh, like hestia can either be amazing or essentially useless

[silent crow]

ph yeah i forgot about her shes good sometimes i think you can use ur head to figure out when

[tall notch]

Unseen arcana S-tier, actual regen boons redundant 🔥

[edgy nacelle]

eospilled

[silent crow]

drop persistence for unseen type shi

(DO NOT DO THIS)

[misty siren]

I respect the grind, but you're too late on that one, I already heard that unseen is trash.

[edgy nacelle]

apollo is prob the best gain boon that has literally no downside
zeus and demeter regen a ton but are janky and interrupt combat
hera wants max magick but is insane once you have it
hestia only works on certain weapons
poseidon has forced downtime where you have no regen
and then the remaining ones regen a lot less total magick (at baseline) but have other utility 🤷

[edgy nacelle]

it actually is unironically good for very high fear on certain weapons (like eos) lol
but yeah generally avoid it

[pearl wyvern]

Heph regen is a mystery I’ve never picked it

[misty siren]

That's interesting, I'll look into that. I don't want to argue any specific tool is always useless.

[silent crow]

its probably decent in some other scenarios where u drop boatman for it
on fates whim

[edgy nacelle]

for Eos, unseen alone is enough to solve magick for the entire run 👍 which is neat
and at 62 fear (and similarly high numbers) the total number of boons you can get is lower, and the vow of denial is on, so it's nice to just ignore gain boons entirely and focus on getting damage ASAP
for lower fear, and for weapons which need more magick/no magick, it's not worth it tho

[lost merlin]

i have a question for you guys. opinions on 6 rerolls setup?

[past salmon]

Goofy just take the boatman the gold is good

[silent crow]

whatever works for u lmao

[pearl wyvern]

IMO axes don’t really use magick except charon aspect

[edgy nacelle]

as in no boatman/fates? I've never really run that tbqh so idk if I have opinions.
if I'm doing rerolls why not just get 10, boatman is good

[misty siren]

Is max fear as massively hard as max heat from Hades 1. I figured I should stop when it stops giving me nightmare.

[past salmon]

I would tend to disagree
O-Attack is the strongest move in Nergal/ThanAxe's kit

[lost merlin]

i ask because i saw someone here doing like ~50 fear with 6 reroll

[edgy nacelle]

67 is max and you can ask foolish abt that lol since he's in chat and just got world's first surface 67 recently iirc

[silent crow]

its "easier" in the way that its less frustrating than less compelling

[past salmon]

Max fear is a lot nicer than Max heat

[edgy nacelle]

62 is doable for me, which imo means it's not all that bad. it's quite hard tho, can't compare to high heat since I sucked when I played h1 so never went past like.... 12

[lost merlin]

as it turns out, -boon choice is REALLY REALLY BAD

[past salmon]

In that the RNG requirement of H1 (pure hell pain and suffering) is not really there

[lost merlin]

i like how they handled denial in this game

[silent crow]

also this games meta is way more varied than h1

[past salmon]

In terms of actual like mechanical difficulty?
Eh idk lmao I'd argue the bosses of H2 are a bit harder than H1 but like it's not like I've played Max heat H1

[pearl wyvern]

Wasn’t max heat nearly impossible for a while

[misty siren]

I think I'd agree with that.

[past salmon]

Almost entirely cuz of RNG yeh

[lost merlin]

i think boss 3 being hard a big difference, imo boss 3 vow in the first game was kinda...

[past salmon]

Approval process my goat
Truly a shame it didn't come back (lie)

[pearl wyvern]

Denial is reverse approval process though?

[past salmon]

Denial is like AP if it wasnt atrocious dogass

[silent crow]

max heat in the first game also cut your 2nd dash and invalidated the strognest aspects by taking away casts

[lost merlin]

i was about to say those are fighting words

[tall notch]

Nergal definitely does

[silent crow]

and like playing h1 on 40% speed without the second dash is hell

[lost merlin]

denial is just more interactive than "lol u don't get to play the game because you didn't hit the 0.00000278482%"

[silent crow]

there is no skill with AP it is just a suckerpunch thays the worst part

like with denial/forfeit theres decision making at least

[lost merlin]

tbh i don't know how they thought AP was okay lmao

[silent crow]

game balance standards change universally

stuff like that used to just be part of the genre

[tall notch]

People like randomisers so they added a built in boon randomiser, that's got to be the thought process

[pearl wyvern]

The fact that you couldn’t increase lava/trap damage more than 1 was not that bad tho

[lost merlin]

i suppose

but unfortunately it doesn't really work in a game like this

you kinda need your cores, actually

if morrigan was in the first game it would have been the first 64 heat clear 100%

[silent crow]

no you need the shield block

[pearl wyvern]

Well there were no omega moves

[lost merlin]

blood diad

[silent crow]

i guess the oatk would just be a bog standard charge attack

[edgy nacelle]

enter the asphodel npc room and call that blood dryad

[pearl wyvern]

lol

[silent crow]

enter my pusy call that blood dried

[lost merlin]

anyways i still just kinds dislike void even if it is possible to clear with

[silent crow]

its there for the meme

[lost merlin]

it's not very fun to not have arcana as it turns out

[silent crow]

this is basically confirmed by its first iteration having a single rank

that took away all of your arcana

[pearl wyvern]

Boneless arcana

[edgy nacelle]

it's there for people to take void instead of wards at 32 fear and horrify me, personally

[lost merlin]

how much fear did it give

[silent crow]

its always been a meme

[lost merlin]

i took max grit and hordes if it makes you feel worse

[silent crow]

the developers really dont want you to take it they even made the first rank specifically take 40% of ur grasp just so u wouldnt be tempted

[edgy nacelle]

I'd take that over early void, personally

[lost merlin]

obviously lol

[silent crow]

tbh idk why people made such a big fuss about it not having ranks in EA because NOBODY USES LOW RANKS OF VOID

[edgy nacelle]

judgement addicts do lol
but other than them

but also the ppl who do that at low fear would lowkey run judgement even if it gave no fear, I think

[pearl wyvern]

Judgment users and their “Strength Inactive” status

[tall notch]

Being able to judgement through void 1-3 is a good addition to the game even if i personally don't do that

[silent crow]

they would run judgement even if the card art was of jeffrey epstein

[lost merlin]

i'll admit, i do have a dedicated 4 void judgement arcana setup just in case

[edgy nacelle]

sand on a roll with the absolutely ludricrous oneliners tonight huh

[tall notch]

Void 2 20 fear let's go

[silent crow]

i suppose it is but was it worth that much complainign during EA

[tall notch]

Yes

[pearl wyvern]

tbh I only used Judgement when I needed to clear the prophecy of “beat chronos with every arcana card”

[edgy nacelle]

yup, same. and for 1-3 fun runs just to experience it
I don't find it fun enough to use otherwise

[silent crow]

i guess fates whim makes it statistically more likely u pull smth good

since it bars the two reroll arcana

[pearl wyvern]

Which is funny because you need those cards to activate The Fates arcana card

[edgy nacelle]

like. this is me
not a judgement fan 😔

[silent crow]

the only other thing i have to say about judgement is that hades' flame feet are MASSIVE in the card art

[pearl wyvern]

What are you saying

[tall notch]

Sand likes feet that's what they're saying

[silent crow]

not cheeto dust feet

[edgy nacelle]

I mean isn't cheeto dust just edible sand

[silent crow]

disgraceful. i should never be consumed

[edgy nacelle]

||ok, sand likes feet but not vore, noted ✍️/j||

[dreamy veldt]

I

[edgy nacelle]

I had to explain what that was to someone in college 😔 too much internet I guess

[pearl wyvern]

[tall notch]

Was it a lecturer

[silent crow]

i do unironically like barefoot/sandals-wearing characters in media they are fun

[dreamy veldt]

Shoes have a lot more expression

[pearl wyvern]

Demeter sprint puts Meli’s feet in cooldown mode

[dreamy veldt]

You can change your shoes to match your outfit, you can't switch feet!

[edgy nacelle]

no thank god
I would have simply dropped out if that happened

[silent crow]

not wearing them has a similar if not greater effect

[tall notch]

What do you think nail polish and jewellery are for?

[silent crow]

also the silhouette of someone wearing shoes and not wearing them are completely different

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah but like barefoot/sandals only go with certain aesthetics

But there's a show for every aesthetic

[edgy nacelle]

foot jewelry seems uncomfortable ngl. I imagine wearing a toe ring would be like walking around with a pebble stuck inside your shoe but self inflicted

"jewerly" 😭 huh

[silent crow]

i always imagine rings when i think of foot jewelry

[dreamy veldt]

Maybe I should try ankle bracelets

[pearl wyvern]

How do the hades children not have constant foot injuries

[edgy nacelle]

forgive my metathesis 😔

[silent crow]

theyre gods

most of them probably have to use magic to keep their clothes from falling off their bodies

[opal pecan]

I forgive your metacarpals

[pearl wyvern]

Meli doesn’t even wear pants

[tall notch]

First thing I think of when ankle bracelets are mentioned are the house arrest ones 😭

[silent crow]

mel not flashing everyone while doing full acrobatics moves in a 3 centimeter skirt is the most impressive witchery in this game

unfortunately yet another unattainable standard for real life women

[opal pecan]

She did it as a favor to the rest of the world, given that her bestie is Arte "have you torn apart by your own hunting hounds" mis

[edgy nacelle]

don't flash people, ghost arm, statues of yourself with big muscles
mel perpetuates a lot of unrealistic standards 😔

[dreamy veldt]

Wait that sounds sick

[pearl wyvern]

Gods have no shame even if she flashed someone accidentally she wouldnt be bothered

[edgy nacelle]

honestly yeah, in canon mel would not use magick to stay clothed
I love her convo with odysseus about that lol

[tall notch]

how did y'all think the daze effect works?

[silent crow]

my headcanon is that all the characters stay relatively modest for homer

because they all dont want homer to get cancelled

[silent crow]

mel just inflicts pornographic visions onto the enemies

[edgy nacelle]

suffering on sight
dazzling display
leaves them all a nervous wreck, because of her shameless attitude

[dreamy veldt]

Why would you even want the first one

[pearl wyvern]

Homer is allowed to narrate about the springs but not during use of the springs

[silent crow]

perhaps they'll even offer her a sweet surrender, after that super nova of explosive intent

[pearl wyvern]

(Poseidon voice) HAHA YES

[dreamy veldt]

Real talk though having a ghost arm would be so cool

[silent crow]

having two arms is just such a hassle sometimes

[dreamy veldt]

It's like a constant outfit staple without even trying

Especially if you can change the color

[pearl wyvern]

You gotta fail at necromancy first

[dreamy veldt]

I have once again gained an unrealistic body goal from women in media

[edgy nacelle]

that would be important for me
if it was a rly specific color and I couldn't change it I'd need to get rid of some clothing 😔 like if it was green I'm not wearing red and looking like a christmas ornament

[silent crow]

you could also explore deeper into the realm of sexual deviancy since presumably the ghost arm isn't restricted by the rotational limits of regular joints

[pearl wyvern]

[dreamy veldt]

Oh!

[silent crow]

hades 2 is already very inventive with its sex anyway its not a big jump

[edgy nacelle]

ghost arm vs phantom limb
in fact very different things

[dreamy veldt]

Lmao

[silent crow]

viagra, on the job, somnophilia

[rare ermine]

what the heck did i walk into

[pearl wyvern]

Wait are you saying the ectoplasmic draught is viagra

[edgy nacelle]

helps make him more solid for the night..............

[pearl wyvern]

Because I mean you’re not entirely wrong

[silent crow]

peak

[rare ermine]

peak ⛰️

[strong girder]

Do add on effects like chain lightning from zeus trigger the 'on attack' or 'on special' boons?

[silent crow]

no

[strong girder]

Much obliged

[pearl wyvern]

Also it’s not a ghost arm or phantom limb, it’s a shade appendage

[dreamy veldt]

[pearl wyvern]

How else could Mel command shades if she was not partially one herself

[dreamy veldt]

I'm part shade too

[tall notch]

Me too

[dreamy veldt]

The part is my soul

[edgy nacelle]

coldshade is probably the most shade of anyone in chat, yeah
specifically one of the shades up on olympus in a little fuzzy winter hood because it's.... u know. because of the temperature

[pearl wyvern]

Are there shades on the summit? I actually don’t remember after getting GGoG

[opal pecan]

I believe there are, but now I'm suddenly doubting whether I'm thinking about Olympus shades

[pearl wyvern]

I mean they have the other 3 gatherables so it would make sense

It’s just not as common as other areas in the game

[dreamy veldt]

Wait

You can have MULTIPLE DAYBREAKS???

[edgy nacelle]

yeah, this was a glitch iirc and the copies did no damage when it was possible to make them

oh
no you cannot

[dreamy veldt]

Oh

Well I just had two

[edgy nacelle]

maybe also a glitch
eos has been mildly glitchy for me at times too tbh

[dreamy veldt]

F

[edgy nacelle]

I got left with an extra daybreaker that did no damage once last week, for instance

[dreamy veldt]

That was gonna be so cool

If you don't have space to special does that make your daybreak also not special or was that the glitch

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1436800843247648899/engraved_pin_scammed_me.mp4?ex=6910ec8f&is=690f9b0f&hm=e266f34b1e53b1ff5dbca441217c588a6cc47cc3171f73e445af0e8d9442fb90&
If y'all like glitches, enjoy some Chronos and Pin weirdness

[dreamy veldt]

I was standing up against a wall and I did the animation but nothing came out

[opal pecan]

The game doesn't care whether you're standing against a wall when you special

[dreamy veldt]

Oh

[dreamy veldt]

Is this video sped up

[safe agate]

I find myself kinda...ignoring hexes over boons, is that normal?

[tall notch]

No

[dreamy veldt]

What in the world

I did frenzy2 for a little bit but I surely don't remember it being this fast

How do you even hit him

I feel like he would teleport three times in the same amount it would take to do one axe attack

[silent crow]

he always starts the 3rd phase with that attack ur not supposed to land hits

[dreamy veldt]

Oh

[scenic ice]

So- no fear/base runs, I've seen a mix of builds online, and narrowed down to three- explosion/cd, melinoë Zeus, mel/aphrodite, what's the strongest out there so far?

[edgy nacelle]

"mel" as in mel staff?

[opal pecan]

? Melinoe doesn't narrow it down, all six weapons have a Melinoe aspect

[scenic ice]

Have tried explosion, will likely try Zeus next given the chance

Oh yea staff

Lmao apologies

[edgy nacelle]

blitz in general is incredibly good on like.... everything
mel staff with zeus attack aphro special is quite good

medea is also insanely good (again with zeus)

blasts are good but take a lot of investment to get online, and... tbh it's kind of hard to directly compare builds, since a lot of builds can reach a point where they delete every boss in seconds at zero fear tbqh

[scenic ice]

I've been hesitant on the skull, I want power but it just doesn't fit well

[edgy nacelle]

I don't like playing medea skull personally, but it's worth giving a try
it also plays very differently to the base skull, at least

[opal pecan]

not as differently as hel

[scenic ice]

Does it struggle with adds?

My enjoyment from staff is it's easy add clear

[edgy nacelle]

not really...? it requires some skill tho
it currently has the speedrun world record (and generally dominates speedrun records overall), and if it struggled with room clear/AoE that might not be the case

[scenic ice]

Skillless is the way to go in my case

[edgy nacelle]

but if your goal is easy clear and feeling op rather than just "the most numerically op weapon" there are way more options
moros torches are crazy good, circe staff with storm ring is crazy good, charon...

[scenic ice]

I ain't no power player, I just like to play with power

[scenic ice]

Bingo

[edgy nacelle]

in general I'd say find a weapon/aspect you enjoy and ask about how to make it the most op you can 👀 since a lot of things can reach similar power levels, and what feels best to you will depend on what you enjoy

[scenic ice]

Sure- then I'd say since I have mel staff upgraded, that'd be the ticket

[edgy nacelle]

then the goal is zeus on attack, % damage on special, dash strike + special as a combo
aim for dual moonshot from daedalus hammers if you can grab it

zeus attack + aphro, apollo, and hera special are all nice options I'd say

[scenic ice]

Same as explosion, focus poms?

Or does general buffs make more sense

[edgy nacelle]

heph blasts want poms more than... almost anything else in the game, tbh
I wouldn't focus poms particularly much, a few levels is nice but after that I'd aim for more boons and other upgrades

mel staff takes a bit more skill to feel op than blasts do, I'd say, tho.
whereas circe staff is extremely easy, just grab storm ring + double strike + maybe king's ransom and everything dies lol (and then play the attack and special like mel staff while that's happening for even more damage)

[scenic ice]

Hmm

You are talking me into it, haha

[edgy nacelle]

try out a lot of things! Mel and Circe staff are both very very good

[scenic ice]

They'd be the familiar base kits, I'll have to farm up for circe, however

[edgy nacelle]

circe is honestly already pretty op without any upgrades
the psychic leash damage is surprisingly strong, but the main appeal is "2x cast damage and potentially 2x cast AoE," and upgrading circe with nightmares only increases the leash damage

[scenic ice]

Despite them being really safe, I'm meh on cast focus, haha

But it does make sense, it's a 200%buff

[edgy nacelle]

my fav way to play circe is with storm ring since you don't channel it into an omega cast, you just keep 100% cast uptime and then play it like normal mel staff while it does its thing 🤷 goes very hard
hestia and heph casts can work similarly
winner's circle builds can stack a ton of Ω cast effects, but I tend to like them less

[whole charm]

what animal familiar is good with circe?

[past salmon]

It's ok we will convert you when you least expect it

[spiral wadi]

we? there is no we

[tough pasture]

Hi friends. I'm trying to play a lot of medea on controller and I'm just not improving the way I wanted to. (In fact, I feel like I'm somehow getting worse.)

The x+y combo on my xbox controller (playing on pc) just doesn't feel intuitive to me. Any suggestions?

I try to replicate the slick movement we see from the speed runners and ultra high heat players against skelly and I can do it ok (but not good-to-great there) but skelly is a stationary target. It's much more difficult against the faster moving targets (and I'm not even playing against frenzy).

/I play around 20 fear with max hordes, max grit, etc.

[manic shuttle]

if your controller has extra buttons you can map x+y to one of them as a macro, hehe

& you don't need grit or hordes for 20f

[tough pasture]

Hmm...maybe I should get one of the pro controllers then because mine is a standard xbox controller.

[tough pasture]

I know but I enjoy it as prep for ultra high fear (50+/60+) that I want to attempt.

[manic shuttle]

I think Raki is the most popular one

[tough pasture]

raki is most popular but I enjoy playing with hecuba and gale too.

[manic shuttle]

you don't need max hordes & grit for 50f too. they become mandatory like 55+. I think playing with max frenzy and timer is better to prep for higher fear instead

[tough pasture]

not being good at medea is legit annoying/frustrating me.

It's a cool weapon (and I didn't understand its appeal until I saw others use its slick movement in speedruns). But I'm just not getting "it" I guess. I wish there was a better way to improve rather than just "grind"

[vernal quiver]

is there any way to reasonably manipulate enemy spawns like in h1?? im getting annoyed by enemies spawning across the map in olympus 😔

[hollow stag]

What are good Gods for Circle Staff Zeus Cast?

[tough pasture]

I often do the timer (7 minutes).

5 is just too fast for me. (The problem is tartarus for me in underworld and olympus on surface).

I can handle +20% movement well (but some bosses are annoying) but +40% movement is too difficult for me right now. (I'm approaching 400 nights.)

[vernal quiver]

demeter and ares are nice for their cast related stuff, hera is nice on literally anything

outside of that its basically an anything works just get origination active kinda thing

[manic shuttle]

frenzy 2 makes enemies spawn faster so max timer becomes easier

[hollow stag]

Cast Related Stuff?

You mean their Omega Cast buffs?

[vernal quiver]

yeah, demeter has one that makes the normal cast have gusts at the center, ares has his blades on Ocast, and demeter has her damage buff to Ocast

[tough pasture]

Yeah, I know that tidibt (same in h1) but the movement speed increase of enemies is brutal for me.

[vernal quiver]

although if we're talking high fear and you plan on priming its more so just get origination active and youre set these just end up being extra

[hollow stag]

Do I want to use Omega Cast if I plan on spamming cast for Lightning Bolts?

Hera would be good to give Zeus Lv Ups

[vernal quiver]

situational :3 all Ocast does is that extra like 120 damage hit to everything in the circle at the end and thats not your primary damage source on circe, so i tend to do Ocast stuff early for damage until i get my cast boon then do regular casts

then go back to Ocast spam if i get the ares blades

[vernal quiver]

sure if you dont plan on playing with jpom already, although id take hera more for hitch since its insane for crowd clear and is a curse for origination

[hollow stag]

Does Demeter's Local Climate boon also boost Cast damage (does this include Zeus Cast)?

[vernal quiver]

uhhh wiki says it counts for the entire cast so yeah the zeus bolts included id assume

[strong girder]

Is ares bad/is wounding under whelming? It looks bad but I've inly just seen it

[spiral wadi]

wounds r good it's just usually u have better options

[vernal quiver]

i wouldnt say hes bad no just a smidgen underpowered compared to what you mainly aim for in runs, he can be a good way to get origination online and if you can manage to invest in him a bit harder he can be pretty strong

how reasonable is it to drop eternity and night on the arcana board to put in boatman for high fear uw stuff??

[hollow stag]

Does it matter if Attack or Special gets Blitz for Circe Staff?

[digital juniper]

some weapons can really benefit from night, eternity is less needed but can be nice on some weapons

[digital juniper]

not really

i would prefer it on attack so that if you get a % special, those usually have higher %s compared to attacks

[vernal quiver]

alright i might drop em then since im running circe for my high heat pushes

[digital juniper]

also if you’re running wards, dash attack->attack and then special, the attack applies blitz, special pops it after wards are down

[digital juniper]

oh yeah for circe you definitely don’t need either of them

[vernal quiver]

yeah i havent even looked at my arcana board since i maxed it lmao eternity and night have been on there forever basically lol

[snow gust]

hey hey im pretty new at this and i almost managed to kill cerberus (poor doggo) on my 5th run

could yall gimme some build guides without any spoilers pls

ty!

[digital juniper]

i think you’re too early for that, i’d highly suggest you explore yourself!

For a very general tip, slower hitting weapons want +% like Apollo’s attack and special boons, fast hitting weapons want on hit effects, like poseidon or hestia

your cast is a very strong part of your kit, it basically puts enemies in their place and with the Furies Arcana, makes you deal more damage to them too, so you basically always want it put down on enemies

[dreamy sage]

lol the first tip is news to me

my max fear rn is 32

i haven't really found any real reason to go higher i like my runs comfy and getting op asf

[digital juniper]

aye that’s your call, play the game the way you like

i personally like the suffering challenge of pushing fear

[rare ermine]

I’ve won 50f exactly once and I’ve never been able to get another win ever since

[hollow stag]

Does each Bolt from Zeus Cast proc Static Shock?

[junior trail]

no, static shock only procs with weapon hit (aka strike)

[jolly aurora]

gonna go masochism on greater chaos above😭

[past salmon]

not really
atleast nothing known thats consistent

[calm pike]

Hey quick question, is this a good vow for 32f?
Rivals 4, time 2, grit 1, frenzy 2, menace 1, fangs 2, shadow and hubris 1

[jolly aurora]

why do you go frenzy and rivals 4

[calm pike]

I've been playing with frenzy 1 and rival 3 all the time, so I thought this'd be an easy transition

[jolly aurora]

yeah i would say no to the rivals 4 in general

because there is a lot of dodging needed and 40% faster attack speed is brutal

[calm pike]

hmm alright

what would you take for the 4 fear then? Or alternatively I might go frenzy 1 rivals 4

[jolly aurora]

i would personally pick 2 pain and 2 hordes

[tall notch]

Rivals 4 can be fine IF you've had practice with the rivals endboss

[tall notch]

I'd suggest turning up menace/hubris to 2, consider return 2/denial2 as they're both pretty easy

[jolly aurora]

do you have any suggestions for how to do greater chaos above

[edgy nacelle]

does possessed array proc arc flash...? the other boons I was offered sucked so I take it no matter what, but I'm curious

and sold it lol
still would like to know the answer if someone has it

[true gust]

Lunar Ray + Apollo +Trinity perc is imo broken

I did 16k

[edgy nacelle]

so uh. you're right because lowkey this is happening in real time rn as we speak

[past salmon]

uhh
maybe

idk I only ever have this interaction on Medea and medea insta procs blitz before Parray has a chance to so

[edgy nacelle]

that's the thing lol, I doubt it like. matters?

[past salmon]

I would assume yes as P array is counted as an O move in all other instances

[edgy nacelle]

I'm mid medea run for fun max rivals 40 and just got I think the most absurd fate's whim luck I've ever had. debating antler but I have v little safety and still skill issue this weapon hard

[digital juniper]

i haven’t seen it myself because medea just pops blitz instantly anyway but it should yeah

[edgy nacelle]

six, medea question. or well. zeus vs rivals chronos question

[digital juniper]

for all other areas of the game it is considered as an omega

[edgy nacelle]

200 max magick possessed array born gain
zeus offering shocking loss + arc flash + divine vengeance (both epic) in final shop before gramps

terrifying myself with white antler gameplay and very little defense cause why not
is shocking loss like. worth for rivals gramps...?? or do I genuinely prioritize reducing my magick less

[digital juniper]

legendary is 24 primed vs epic’s 18 right?

[edgy nacelle]

yeahhh ig it's like. a tiny difference

just overthinking since white antler without heph or snow queen is scaring me lol, should have taken evade x3 from echo

[digital juniper]

if so i’ll just take his leggo, could help a bit with p1 satyrs (carful for the death after effect) or tempii in p2

[edgy nacelle]

also like. is this not insane fate's whim luck lmao: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1426118288198602775/1437019750495551538/Screenshot_2025-11-09_at_2.03.18_AM.png?ex=6911b86f&is=691066ef&hm=92f4ba53f68bf175ddb94534c4983237fede3af851bdd498959230e920dc338b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1898&height=1486

[digital juniper]

6 more primed magick would equate to a total of maybe 3 PAs lost throughout the whole fight? i’d think the chance on SL would be of more benefit

[digital juniper]

jfc this is what i’d want my build to look like with rerolls kekw

[flint widget]

i would kill to have a build like that for medea

[edgy nacelle]

everything but incandescent and double strike was erebus
should have not taken antler so I don't skill issue and die, but

[digital juniper]

well except incandescent aura because it’s just ass but yeah

[edgy nacelle]

I mean honestly w born gain possessed I just think it's funny lmao

wanted to greed into thermal dynamics so hestia cast

[digital juniper]

i would’ve genuinely took another boon just not to prime 24 magick for incandescent tbh

[edgy nacelle]

honestly very fair lol, and.... I mean we'll see. first antler attempt vs rivals chronos so. off I go, time to lock in, I predict failure but it'll be fun, this run has kinda sold me on "medea is fun af" because how could it not lol

[flint widget]

ok since ur getting medea pilled ill go play a bit of moros for u

just give me a sec

ok so like how the hell do i play moros? do i get the ospecial out and spam oattacks and repeat or what

[edgy nacelle]

PHEWWWWWW

burned all my DDs but.

[edgy nacelle]

also yes p much
you can lean into attacks damage and/or Ω effects like fine line (in which case you want channel speed), and amusingly hestia gain goes from "honestly amazing" to "literally useless" depending on channel speed investment
explosions have innate damage%, so while damage% atk (often sworn strike) is ideal you'll still get very solid damage with on hit effects

[edgy nacelle]

also thank you lol
idt it's even my #1 favorite weapon I just think it's fun and ripple effect builds are funny

[flint widget]

fair enough

[rain wagon]

First secure your magicka, then pick up some defensive stuff. % boon on Attack is nice, curse whatever on Special

[digital juniper]

are you now sold on the greatness that is medea?

[edgy nacelle]

I mean I was always sold on it being great I just struggled to enjoy it because skill issue lol

I am now moderately less skill issued
idt I played it well for a lot of the run but as my first max rivals antler clear it gets special honors

[flint widget]

im assuming hecuba is ideal for moros cuz magick

[rain wagon]

I still dislike how clunky Medea feels

[digital juniper]

shoulda rephrased, have you been sold on how absurdly fun it is to just ram headfirst into enemies and deal biiiiig damage?

[flint widget]

medea on keyboard sucks yea

[edgy nacelle]

yeah usually, especially with born gain (or FW not knowing what gain you'll get)

[digital juniper]

disagree, i’m on mkb and medea feels good

[flint widget]

it's why i main controller

[jolly aurora]

As a keyboard player yes it sucks

[digital juniper]

definitely feels better on controller but i wouldn’t say it sucks on mkb

[edgy nacelle]

lucid and cardio don't really care abt hecuba, but then again she's just the anti-hubris

[rain wagon]

I really doubt I'd be able to switch to controller

[flint widget]

maybe i have skill issue when it comes to kbm

[digital juniper]

yeah it’s a ton of muscle memory

[flint widget]

plus i run on steam deck so why kbm

[digital juniper]

hades/h2 are some of the very few games i play on pc, i mostly play on ps5, but with the muscle memory so ingrained now i dont think i could play h2 on controller

[rain wagon]

Just the inability to aim stuff properly makes me think mouse is better overall

[jolly aurora]

Keyboard and Mouse can be hard on certain games and Medea specificly requires a lot of muscle memory and skill

[flint widget]

i just find having movement and aiming on one stick to be much more convenient tbh

[edgy nacelle]

I mean I have skill issue on controller lol, that's just kinda how it is

[flint widget]

compared to separate movement and aiming things via kbm

[rain wagon]

But you can't snap cast stuff like Lightning Lance properly on controller I believe

[digital juniper]

that’s imo a benefit tho

[edgy nacelle]

I think mouse is good at some things I can't rly imagine controller doing as well, like aiming to-cursor extremely fast, but controller is prob better than wasd for movement by a pretty large margin
I'm just too muscle memoried into kbm to change

there's also "dash to cursor" but I've never tried it and I think it would mess w my head too much to switch lol

[digital juniper]

yeah omnidirectional movement>8 directional movement every single day of the week

[flint widget]

true but like i hate ranged casts except howling soul

[rain wagon]

Also, how do you aim dagger Ω on controller?

[digital juniper]

i also heard coat specials are absolutely hell on controller

[flint widget]

i just hope that the auto targeting works properly lmao

[jolly aurora]

I would say if you get good at kbm you can get pretty close to controller

[flint widget]

nah coat specials are fine on controller

[edgy nacelle]

this is probably more like. "I hate ranged casts because I play controller" more than "I wouldn't make use of mouse since I hate ranged casts"
they feel extremely smooth on mouse, but I'd prob hate them on controller too 🤷

[rain wagon]

Meanwhile I only reset a run if it starts with Howling Soul...

[digital juniper]

funny story but a very prominent hades 1 speedrunner (or high heat player, i forgor) used to literally play with both controller and mouse, he’d switch to mouse to fire aspect of lucifer’s bombs (same ones rivals eris uses) because aiming them on controller was that bad

[edgy nacelle]

lightning lance esp is just really nice. the others have some level of travel time and won't always go where you want, but zapping a cast into place with just a tap Q feels great

[flint widget]

multitasking incarnate

[rain wagon]

Glowing Coal is perfectly fine, sure it's slow, but at least it's consistent, and you can drop it exactly where you want.

[jolly aurora]

Honestly I kinda do something like that on hk

[flint widget]

circe howling soul is goated tho

[vagrant sentinel]

Itm e birthday today im 15 :D

[rain wagon]

Howling Soul is the worst

[vagrant sentinel]

ANyways got a good build for aspect of shiva

[flint widget]

probably the main reason how I mostly damagelessed a 62 fear run

lost to chronos tho cuz white antler

[digital juniper]

howling soul medea is stuff of nightmares

[rain wagon]

Nah, I insta undo night when I see that thing

[edgy nacelle]

it'll explode early on impact tho I believe, so you can't cast it behind an enemy like you can lightning lance (and the dio cast ig)

[flint widget]

also happy bday

[edgy nacelle]

hard agree on this tho, chuck it at gramps during the cutscene attack and it does work

[digital juniper]

i could sneak in a whole nap during the travel time of dio’s cast

[edgy nacelle]

and happy birthday!!

[vagrant sentinel]

:)

[edgy nacelle]

as you should, it's what he would want

[jolly aurora]

Question am I insane for doing max hordes and wards with frenzy 2 and max grit and 2 pain

[edgy nacelle]

depends on context
if that's the only fear you're doing then yeah kind of
if you're pushing high fear then all those become required

[rain wagon]

True, though I was more talking about dropping it close to Mel, which is not possible with HS without being in melee

[edgy nacelle]

ahhh yes
tbh on circe I'm a big fan of "Gale + howling soul," since Gale is very good at staying right under Mel's feet and then you get a melee range cast + a ranged one sticking in enemies

[jolly aurora]

Fck that ill just find a screenshot

[rain wagon]

Pain 2 is crazy, rest are fine if you build correctly

[jolly aurora]

You know I used to do pain 3 right

[flint widget]

that's crazy

bro show us ur fear setup rn

[rain wagon]

When you get close to 60 fear is when pain comes on, otherwise it stays at 0, at most 1

[jolly aurora]

Thats so I could get out of rivals chronos because I can pretty much no hit normal chronos

My current setup is 1 pain max grit, wards, frenzy, hordes, menace, return, fangs and hubris with 2 rivals

[edgy nacelle]

ok thank god hubris and menace are there
if you were choosing pain hordes and grit instead of those I'd be concerned

[jolly aurora]

Grit and hordes are maxed

[edgy nacelle]

so 32 rn?

(image of your fear I think)

personally I'd prob throw in shadow and timer 2 over some of the stuff you have, but for 32 if you hate timer that's like.... not too weird. just not what I'd generally do lol
shadow is great tho, highly recommend at least for UW

[jolly aurora]

timer is a no because i kinda need to take some parts slow like scylla because she shreds my hp if i dont

[calm pike]

Oh damn chronos has a voiceline if you beat him hitless, cool

[edgy nacelle]

timer 1 is probably still free ngl, although idk what your clear times are at 32
timer 1 is just a very long amount of time

[jolly aurora]

Havent beaten 32 yet

Been close but almost broke my hand after I stepped into his insta death attack whilst having a immortality build

[flint widget]

if u clear erebus fast enough u can probably get a good enough timer that you can take scylla nice and slow

especially with timer two

[edgy nacelle]

maybe pay attention to how much time you have on the clock when you beat rivals scylla
because you're prob in range of timer 1 or maybe even timer 2, imo for timer 1 unless you're losing time deliberating on which door to take and getting lost in fields rooms you're preeeetty unlikely to time out

[jolly aurora]

Proplem hecate and scylla both require me to go slow because my build is generaly not active when i reach either of them

[edgy nacelle]

what's your arcana set up also? now I'm just curious
would recommend this site to share loadouts: https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck
you can click the active cards then "generate URL" and copy paste that

because I'd also say that by the time you reach sirens you should ideally have a fairly solid build together, esp since you're not running debt and forfeit

[jolly aurora]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzUiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTAiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTgiLCJjMTkiLCJjMjMiXQ==

[edgy nacelle]

oooh, fate's whim or pre-ending?
also for underworld specifically I'd prob take boatman over excellence, it's enough money for +2 boons (and guarantees enough money for a boon in midshop 1) so it's a BIG help with erebus and oceanus timer

also your other message got auto-modded so idk what it said 😅

[jolly aurora]

what

[edgy nacelle]

you sent a message and a bot deleted it before I could read it, unless someone else sent it

[jolly aurora]

yeah accedentally wrote a curse

[jolly aurora]

but the reason i use excellence is that i need the legendaries

[edgy nacelle]

ah, just to check: you know it's not an additive increase for legendaries, yes?
i.e. base chance of rolling a legendary is 10%, and it only brings it up to 15%

in general I'd say +2 boons early game is absolutely going to help you more at 32 fear than an extra 5% chance to get a legendary, excellence is... okay, and I do take it for fate's whim runs sometimes, but I wouldn't take it just for legendaries since even with it active you can still just get bad rng and never roll one

[jolly aurora]

yeah but the extra rare boons also help when most of my stuff depends on froth dmg to activate blitz multiple times a second

[edgy nacelle]

also:

its called needing rerolls to get what i need and i cant go a summon boon because i need athena to clear hecate
wait, are you doing no rerolls + starting with athena keepsake?

[jolly aurora]

no i usually try rerolls because i need stuff from athena

[edgy nacelle]

oh, I was just confused because the arcana loadout you shared has no rerolls
unless you just mean rerolling the seed...?

oh wait

[jolly aurora]

exactly

i usually get it or i might run a single use of dice

[rare ermine]

wait youre doing FW but no jpom start?

[edgy nacelle]

wait so. you're playing without the reroll corner and starting with athena keepsake, but resetting seed until you get the athena boon you want?

[jolly aurora]

more like getting the start boon i need

[edgy nacelle]

but you are starting with athena keepsake...?

[rare ermine]

this is some advanced tactics i havent conceived of before

[flint widget]

bros playing 4d chess while we're stuck playing checkers

[jolly aurora]

yeah but she doesnt spawn a boon she smites foes within the first 3 encounters if you dont have dd and then gives a boon ontop of the room reward

[flint widget]

that disables fates whim

[vernal quiver]

yeah so you get locked out of jpom and chrolex

[rare ermine]

all this for the sake of not turing on timer

[jolly aurora]

i havent done 32 fear since i got anything that makes fates whin relevant

[edgy nacelle]

if it's working for you then it's working
but also your arcana loadout + athena start is absolutely playing on hard mode

[jolly aurora]

when timer kills my runs yes

[edgy nacelle]

taking athena keepsake ever turns off fate's whim
and if you're turning off fate's whim then playing with zero rerolls really isn't worth it

so I'd really recommend either starting athena but using rerolls, or not taking athena keepsake at the start with your current arcana set up

[jolly aurora]

as i said havent done any high fear since before i got any keepsake that needs fates whim

so not having fates whim wasent realy that much of a proplem

[edgy nacelle]

but even if you don't have those keepsakes, using an arcana set up with no rerolls is generally just... harder 🤷

again if it's working for you + fun then no need to change
but if you're struggling with timer in erebus and oceanus that's probably a big part of why

[jolly aurora]

ive changed to no rerolls after getting fates whim dependent keepsakes

[flint widget]

uhuh but no fates whim is the problem

[edgy nacelle]

ah, ok, that's good to hear
so no more athena start now?

[vernal quiver]

yeah use jpom everything gets stupid strong with jpom

free +4 on everything makes your baseline damage go through the roof

[jolly aurora]

prop not but will need to get good

because hecate somehow manage to get a dd on the morph

[edgy nacelle]

I mean, *definitely not, if you use that arcana set up
athena keepsake disables fate's whim anyway, so either go fate's whim or athena + rerolls, there is no option to do both

[rare ermine]

probably because your playing on pain3

[edgy nacelle]

also maybe consider frinos for the sheep ball if it's an issue? saves time 🤷 not ideal once you get good, but very nice to just ignore the mechanic, if it's costing you a DD

[jolly aurora]

i havent touched pain 3 since 16 fear because it allows me to get out of rivals chronos without having to turn up other less desireble things

[jolly aurora]

most of the time its because i get low from being unable to dodge the more bullet spam attacks

[rare ermine]

the dedication to not have denial or hubris is admirable 🫡

[edgy nacelle]

yeah I mean. personally pain was the second to last vow I turned on period, going for 62, I didn't turn it on until above 54 fear
pain sucks, it makes every mistake punish you way more

[jolly aurora]

i have hubris because i dont realy need the mana but denial will kill my runs faster than i kill typhon with no fear which is sub one minute

[edgy nacelle]

I suspect that with jeweled pom start time 1 or 2 will be very doable for you, tho
and genuinely I recommend trying boatman > excellence, ik the rarity feels nice but an extra boon early on really helps, and with +3 levels on everything from the start idc if a boon is common 🤷

[jolly aurora]

also denial is 2 fear and will hit harder than every other thing pretty muvh

[edgy nacelle]

*for underworld specifically, that is, idt boatman is as good on the surface because ephyra is just full of boons lol

[flint widget]

thats crazy

denial is like one of the easiest vows to work around

[rare ermine]

denial>grit

[edgy nacelle]

how much have you tried denial btw? I find it un-fun, but a lot of runs it just... does nothing
there's a person on this server who genuinely argues that "denial only" is easier than 0 fear, and while I don't agree the fact that someone genuinely believes that at all is p telling

[jolly aurora]

not when you require multiple boons from the same god and the game insists on putting them together

[flint widget]

ever since the high fear grind

[edgy nacelle]

oh btw, are you using a specific weapon every time? I ask because you have Night on rn which is also a fairly niche card, esp since you said you don't really need magick

[jolly aurora]

its not that i find it unfun because i like doing it with low fear when just chilling but when it kills my build i just cant find it to do it