h2-builds-and-combat

[spark crown]

I love my Thanatos axe and my morrigan sister blades

Pray she stops acting like me off my ADHD meds for 5 gods damned seconds

[glass bone]

Haven’t yet done Charon 62 SF. I’d assume you preemptively place casts near her, and then do the OCast OSpecial combo

Alternatively, you could spam OSpecial in a corner and have it be constantly refunded by Lucid / Flood Gain

[stray notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyg9zHXLBCA

Finally done :3
I'm not sure if it was the best played attempt but it worked :3

[olive tusk]

charon totally deetroys eris, but you really gotta watch that omega timing

[glass bone]

I feel like Charon is kind of similar to Medea in a sense. It’s nuke damage, that is a bit unsafe at times.

Though I think the safety of Charon is better, and the damage is lesser than Medea

(As in, maybe Charon is Diet / Ranged Medea?)

[viral yew]

I do not enjoy playing charon I will never enjoy playing charon

[olive tusk]

I think the game punishes omega charging a lot, and medea had a high enough skill ceiling for you to figure out how to not get punished for melee

but I still dk how to do medea eris without cast

[glass bone]

OAttack

[spark crown]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDAsMywzLDAsMiwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsOF0= this is my default fear for every run I do basically

[steep galleon]

Yeah, the drawbacks to Charon are you need good positioning of yourself and the cast at all times, and you need to cope with having to channel

[olive tusk]

?? the O attack is long range?

did I just forget

[glass bone]

You fire a giant skull bomb as a projectile

That doesn’t change for Medea.

It’s kind of like a faster Tipsy Shot, where it goes into the air, and then lands down

[olive tusk]

remove my good player status

[spark crown]

I put this in wrong chat noooo

[olive tusk]

I will earn it back

[steep galleon]

You can also ospecial over the bombs for what it's worth

[spark crown]

All my street cred

[glass bone]

True.

[olive tusk]

the other aspect I have trouble with is morrigan

[glass bone]

So the intended strategy is to go for Blood Triads

[spark crown]

My fav knives

[glass bone]

That’s not the best strategy at high fear imo.

[olive tusk]

favourite aspect in the game, but still dk how to deal with eris

[glass bone]

The actual best strategy, is spamming Attack with Final Slice, or OAttack with Sweeping Ambush

[glass bone]

You’ll want to use Special for that

[olive tusk]

yeah unfortunately

the special is too small range

[glass bone]

It has less range than regular blade Special, but it is still a projectile

[olive tusk]

I always have to eat atleast some damage

[steep galleon]

That should still be the case for bossing no?

[olive tusk]

might be a skill issue icl

[glass bone]

I mean if you can go for a Blood Triad, sure.

But I’m just thinking like… Blood Triad shouldn’t be all that you do.

Let me find something quick and see if I can forward it…

[olive tusk]

blood triad heph ocean swell hera fine line is quite the boss melter

impossible to set up in high fear though

[glass bone]

Ok I can’t forward it unfortunately

But… in the speedcord, TheDarkOmen cleared 62 SF Morrigan, and Attack had dealt 480k damage.

Next highest was Dash Strike at 73k damage

And the clear time was sub 16

Now that was a lucky run, considering it was Final Slice + Success Rate + Extra Dose.

But this does make me think that Morrigan can get by without Blood Triad (oh also Blood Triad didn’t make it into the top 5 damage sources from what I could tell)

[olive tusk]

blood triad is a really good baked in damage but yeah idk if it can hold its own against full built final slice

[digital juniper]

apollo attack final slice morrigan is so much fun

[junior dome]

is it just me, or is rivals scylla the toughest boss outside of rivals 4 bosses when kharibdyss is the featured artist, and a cakewalk otherwise?

[digital juniper]

that is a rather popular opinion, yes

[steep galleon]

Scylla is considered the toughest rival outside of r4 in general

[digital juniper]

besides rivals 4 bosses, rivals sirens is considered the hardest boss (besides maybe rivals prometheus)

[spark crown]

New card setup goes crazy https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMiIsImM0IiwiYzUiLCJjNyIsImMxMCIsImMxMSIsImMxMiIsImMxMyIsImMxNCIsImMxNSIsImMxNyIsImMyMCIsImMyMyIsImMyNCJd

(yes this one is very minor ragebait)

[junior dome]

how should i position against featured artist kharybdis in this scenario?
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/touhou/images/2/2c/Danmaku.png/revision/latest?cb=20101230051938

[digital juniper]

thank you for clearing it up because yeeeessh

if i get charyb feature i just accept ill lose 2 DDs or outright die

[viral yew]

Apart from strength and dd being horrid it's not bad

[junior dome]

i don't mind scylla when the kraken isnt featured

[spark crown]

I would totes use it don't look back at my last one just not for the 60 fear I'm doing

[digital juniper]

no furies got me good

[junior dome]

and maybe this changes at high heat, but I barely even notice heracles is there during rivals prometheus

[digital juniper]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzUsMywwLDYsMywwLDAsMCw0LDAsMCwwLDYsNSwwLDAsMF0=

hey guys is this good for my first 32f

[spark crown]

First 60f and started with Hades dash

[viral yew]

I know where you live

[digital juniper]

wowwwwww i’m a new player and this is how i get treated?

what a nice community we have here

[viral yew]

Ik for a fact you're a better player than me

[digital juniper]

i’m not LMFAO

i just yap a lot in the speedcord so my knowledge transcends my skill by a lot

[viral yew]

You're not?

[spark crown]

Accidentally saved my 60f run room 3 cuz I forgot to get rid of cat

[viral yew]

ROOM 3

[steep galleon]

Bro, you know a real new player would activate everything EXCEPT frenzy and timer 😂

[digital juniper]

your speed PB is 1:30 faster than mine and i’m at 45f (50ish once i savestate chronos)

[spark crown]

Mb mb it was room 4

[viral yew]

Ah

[digital juniper]

yeah i know, my goal was to make the hardest possible 32f😭

[outer wedge]

hey guys is there like

a place for high fear or something

[ornate frost]

He’s a fun little brain exercise bc it gives me a second thing to focus on while memory game is going on; it’s fun to simultaneously try to DPS him while remembering which lanes to be in

[viral yew]

The speedrun discord is probably the most official place

[outer wedge]

coolio

also just in general

on high fear are you meant to just restart runs until you get a good start

[flint widget]

nah not really

[ornate frost]

Depends on what you mean by “high fear”, but at the very least for 32 I’d say “no”

[spark crown]

1m 16 on clock to beat rivals Hecate wish me luck

[outer wedge]

like

50+

[ornate frost]

Maybe 50-60 but I’m not good enough to have an opinion there

[flint widget]

u can have the most ass start ever and u can still win

[viral yew]

Only if you want specific hades boons

[outer wedge]

trying to get to 62

[flint widget]

trust me, i can confirm

[viral yew]

What's your highest clear?

[outer wedge]

56

[ornate frost]

It also feels sorta counter to the spirit of a roguelike tbh; I always try to win with whatever fate gives me

[outer wedge]

like i said im trying to push higher

[viral yew]

You going for 60 or 62 next

[glass bone]

In that context, yes and no. Reroll arcana does want you to reset until you can do a good Erebus / Ephyra. But with JPom, most runs make it out fine if you get a few skips.

[spark crown]

God damned meteors stunning me T-T

[outer wedge]

like ideally 62

ive got everything on except max scars and the last two levels of pain

cos i dont feel good enough to avoid damage 🥲

[viral yew]

I would recommend 60 first to practice for 62 but up to you

[glass bone]

Don’t fret. 62 Fear does still have ways of recovering HP

[flint widget]

ghost onion, life tax, chaos revival, and dds

[glass bone]

Ghost Onion, Self Healing / Armor Spam, Revival, Trusty Shield, and the many blocks via Snow Queen, Gale, and Nitro Boost

[outer wedge]

no scars or no max pain?

[glass bone]

Oh also if you are playing the Post-Patch beta, add Life Tax to the list

[viral yew]

I runs scars 2 pain 3

[glass bone]

And if you are running DDs, Pin, Lucky Tooth, Stalwart Stand, and Renewed Faith also “recover HP”

[outer wedge]

it just feels like sometimes i get the npcs

all is good

but then other runs i get no npcs in ephyrea and like, charybdis miniboss

[opal pecan]

Everyone boo for Charybdis

[outer wedge]

and i run out of time

[glass bone]

Surface is a lot more swingy in RNG

Some runs will have clears at 15-17 minutes at 62. Others have 19-20+ minutes

My 3 Surface 62s are beyond 20 minutes, a 19:08, and a 19:03

And by swingy (if it wasn’t clear), I mean sometimes you will time out still in Thessaly / Olympus

[opal pecan]

Does timer keep running during Icarus' visits/bombing runs? /never paid attention

[glass bone]

It does however keep running during the extended fights with Athena until you see “DIVINE VENGEANCE”

[flint widget]

i think its divine intervention

[glass bone]

Oh.

Eh whatever. She doesn’t deserve respect, for all the Renewed Faith scams

[flint widget]

you have a point

[digital juniper]

actually icarus got buffed that timer stops before even activating the wheel the starts the encounter he’ll be in

a piece of knowledge i learned yesterday

[opal pecan]

WHAT

So you want to get him in Thessaly rather than Olympus is what I'm hearing

[hollow stag]

Is Ares the best damaging or 2nd best (supporting) God due to his crits?

[glass bone]

IMO, Absolutely not. Even with the buffs he got

[spark crown]

Gonna try 50f over 60 wish me luck (no scars void shadow forfeit or denial and 1 less grit)

[viral yew]

No

[digital juniper]

imo you’d want him in thessaly instead of olympus anyway because his encounters have more enemies. more harder enemies=not good

unless you’re at very high fear, a timeskip in olympus is massive

[glass bone]

For fast weapons, Zeus, Hestia, and Poseidon have him beat. For slow / high hitting weapons, Aphrodite, Hera, and Apollo have him beat. Demeter and Heph also do great damage, though Dem is more support, and Heph is also support with you needing investments to make his damage good.

[hollow stag]

Could Thanatos Axe build be improved (from Apollo Attack), if Ares was on Attack, and Apollo was on Special?

[digital juniper]

special boon on thanatos barely matters because you’re not using it much

i’d say ares/heph is better for special because if you use that one special to cancel out a combo, it’s a small burst

[glass bone]

No. OAttack and OSpecial are multhits, so Wounds would only affect one of the hits per enemy.

[hollow stag]

Apollo on special for Apollo legendary requirement

[hollow stag]

How about for Grievous Blow?

[glass bone]

I’d still probably say no.

[digital juniper]

nah apollo attack on than axe is best in slot or second best in slot (competing with aphro and maybe hera)

[opal pecan]

Is this just a "let's DIY a ranged weapon" thing

[hollow stag]

You're right. Large AoE and preferably to get his Legendary asap.

[glass bone]

I will say though, Ares could work on Special for Than Axe, since you do need two curses with Apollo for Origination

[hollow stag]

It's hard to apply Wounds with some weapon strikes, though Ares and Hestia Duo makes applying wounds easy.

[glass bone]

Ideally you get 1 from Cast, and then one from some other source if it’s Apollo Attack.

So that could be a special boon, Rush boon, or Aphro gain

Or I guess that one Daze Attack boon if you do hit the enemy with an Attack before the OAttack…

But that seems… not ideal

[digital juniper]

ares hestia duo is pretty fun if you run into it

[surreal hazel]

Press cast to drop a nuke

[opal pecan]

The glowing coal ultrawounds one?

[surreal hazel]

yeah

also controlled burn, but that's less useful generally

+300 power is lol

[glass bone]

True, but also like that’s not related to Ares.

[digital juniper]

oh no i was just stating its fun. I agree with you about ares

[silent crow]

area hestia duo doesnt unlock grevious btw

[digital juniper]

yeah technically it should but the grievous prereq is ares attack or special

[surreal hazel]

Duos just have a rule of not being an allowable pre-req for anything

[digital juniper]

yeah it does make sense why it isnt

[silent crow]

leads to strange choice making

[surreal hazel]

Also can just mean you have scenarios of "here is a support boon to slightly improve a thing you're only very occasionally using anyway"

"Yes, thanks"

like say, Pyro technique offered if you only have thermal dynamics as your source of scorch

still some duds though

scalding vapour can be procced from controlled burn, which is a bit awkward

[silent crow]

nearly all these scenarios are good tho

like the duos are strong enough to justify support boons showing up

[shy moat]

Can anyone tell me if this lunar ray upgrade is supposed to be: "The first time your hex does damage per enemy it does +500 damage"? Because that's what it's doing
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/671072182926835742/1431681694259216646/image.png?ex=68fe4cfb&is=68fcfb7b&hm=b6a8a35e342ac801ba2fad73795621540bb901e6e9619d2cc036831eed302d49&

[silent crow]

iirc thermal dynamics is 160

[silent crow]

ah its probably working

does seem ludicrously broken though

[surreal hazel]

Will burn down in 1.6 seconds. Hardly time to reapply blitz and stack more scorch to make pyro worth it

[shy moat]

I'm not sure it properly resets "whenever" you use your hex either

[shy moat]

1.6 seconds seems like pretty decent time to build up?

How slowly are you triggering blitz

[surreal hazel]

It's per enemy. Basically every enemy hit touches gets flagged as being immune to contact damage forever more

[shy moat]

yeah that's not how it reads at all

[surreal hazel]

Takes a minimum time to actually proc and trigger blitz anyway, so it doesn't help much to accelerate the scorch

[shy moat]

but you'll also have other sources of scorch, or you won't have that duo

Unless the whole idea is you sold everything else off, which would be silly of you

[silent crow]

oh yeah its 1.6 not 2 woops

forgot scorch is 100dps

[surreal hazel]

It would be, yes. Or you replaced it i guess

[junior trail]

is it just me or they increase the cast animation delay?
seems harder to do double cast pop with charon + giga cleaver now

still workable with dash forward while channeling o.special but still

[austere yoke]

guys, what's the best boon for regaining mana? I just did a successful torch run where I had more powerful attack but it cost 10 mana. Since I didn't have any form of regaining mana I just opted to stack it. But for next time

[shy moat]

highly dependent on weapon

[calm pike]

Is vow of rivals 4 as big of a jump as em4 was in the original

[glass bone]

They are compared yes

[shy moat]

it didn't feel quite as hard

like em4 in the original got me stuck for ages, but I 2-shot one boss and 1-shot the other for em4 here

[glass bone]

But idk if it’s actually as hard, since I haven’t beaten EM4 / progressed far into Hades 1

[silent crow]

yeah

hades 2 naturally makes you better at bosses so itll feel a bit easier tho

[calm pike]

welp I guess the only way to truly find out is to try it myself

[edgy bane]

Does anyone know if tidal ring gets affected by arterial spray? The description of the cast makes it seems so

[shy moat]

it might be about the same difficulty but it's easier to set up a crazy build here

[silent crow]

yes

[calm pike]

The bosses in h2 are so much better tbh

[silent crow]

yeah h1 bosses were mostly button mash contests

[edgy bane]

Thank you, weird it's not one of the requirement for the duo then :/

[surreal hazel]

Rolling with the torches then Cardio gain is pretty solid, but it's hardly the only option

[calm pike]

Tho the chaos of theseus was fun

[surreal hazel]

In the preview build, Grisly gain had a deceptively good glow up

[shy moat]

...that's how I play 2's bosses generally >.>

[calm pike]

Vow of rivals hecate in the meantime still kicks my ass xd

[glass bone]

Rival Hecate is like… 5th for difficulty in the eyes of most

[hollow stag]

How is Looming Ignition Hammer for Medea Skull? Attacks 50% damage and blast size over 0.7 seconds before they explode.

[glass bone]

But I don’t mean to put you down. I just mean to say that some other bosses are considered much worse

[shy moat]

Really depends how much of a rush you're in, if you have time rival hecate is pretty easy to avoid everything on

[surreal hazel]

UR Typhon is much less of a step up then UR Chronos

[surreal hazel]

about that 0.7 seconds...

[glass bone]

Probably because Typhon is supposed to be the hardest, and the Rival 4 tries to make them equal

[silent crow]

pretty sure its bugged and is op or smth

[surreal hazel]

Turns out that 0.7 seconds is multiplied by 4 or so for Medea since her regular attack has a much longer "fuse" than base

[silent crow]

i think the blast radius is still insane

[surreal hazel]

oh sure

free nova strike without needing nova strike

[digital juniper]

so that’s a massive nerf to it, right?

[silent crow]

the damage on the hammer is bad but the AOE is really good

[digital juniper]

oh wait is the aoe not fixed to the timer?

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, it is, but the radius seems to always apply

[digital juniper]

yeah okay so i wasn’t going crazy

[surreal hazel]

the bonus damage basically doesn't exist for Medea, but she's +90% damage out of the gate anyway so ehhhh

[digital juniper]

i just always assumed that it actually was 0.7 seconds because every attack felt like it had the massive aoe

also one thing i saw about it is that nova strike doesn’t seem to add much range when you have looming on

found that to be interesting

[surreal hazel]

probably additive, I might have to have a look

[digital juniper]

most likely yeah

it was somewhere in the speedtech forum in the speedcord, don’t remember exactly where though

#1392318787487006792 message found it

no apollo+looming shown because it was mentioned it was a very small difference

[sick skiff]

Any fun skull builds y'all wanna recommend? I've just been using the Mobalytics "Starter" that uses Aspect of Melinoe and Apollo's attack boon.

[opal pecan]

It says #unknown, is this a diff server?

[elfin forge]

speedcord

[zealous crane]

What are some fun aspects you think I should try out? I could get pretty much any of them excluding the secret ones

I kind of did everything with the axe and the staff though so not any of them

[opal pecan]

Excluding the secret ones? Hm, perhaps try Persephone's skulls or Nyx's coat (I may like Selene better but there's no denying Nyx plays more differently)

[zealous crane]

Nyx's coat seems nice, any broad recommandations for a build that works well with it?

[austere trail]

aspect of charon or aspect of circe. it's very fun to build around casts

[opal pecan]

They said they already did staff and axe.

[zealous crane]

Yeah they were my favorite lmao

[austere trail]

oh whoops

reading comprehension

[glass bone]

Scorch Special. Then spam it between the OSprints.

[opal pecan]

I think people often tend to suggest going for boons that have on-hit effects, since Nyx's gimmick gives you lots and lots of hits

[austere trail]

poseidon attack, yeah

wave strike

[glass bone]

Alt suggestion I shall make; Eos. That also gives lots of projectiles

OAttack -> OSpecial -> Special -> Repeat. Scorch and waves on Special melt everything

It’s the most basic form of Eos anyway

[zealous crane]

Yeah I tried it out and couldnt really get how to do it well, I'll try it next run

[kind moss]

is it better to focus on charybdis or scylla first in their pact fight?

[austere trail]

I always go for charybdis first, since getting rid of the aoe spam is great. her tentacles are mostly stationary as well

[kind moss]

totally unrelated but charybdis is a lady???

[azure notch]

you couldn't tell?

[kind moss]

youre right shes beautiful

[sage flame]

first I start by going for the charib tentacles by the back where you spawn (to also dodge scylla shell dash) and then rotate up to the tentacles by roxy to kill at least one of those so if she does the big ring aoe attacks you have a place to stand

then I try to get roxy down first

[heavy panther]

I kill the back tentacles and then head straight to roxy
Her aoe is basically the main threat of the fight for me

[dreamy veldt]

I deserve an award for being the most inconsistent Hades 2 player to ever exist

Just lost 3dd to normal Polyphemus

And my fear is like 10

None of it affecting damage tho

So it's just pure skill issue

[sudden belfry]

chat gimme a random weapon to go beat up typhon with

[fierce sparrow]

guys I should do apolo attack with the skull hammer

it should be funny

[fierce sparrow]

do the mel axe

[sudden belfry]

too late doing charon
is apollo attack good on charon when i have pos cast

[uneven palm]

You shouldn’t really be tapping attack on Charon

Except like cleanup duty I guess

[sudden belfry]

i meant special oops lmao

ok if i had to pick one do i go with special or mana regen

[uneven palm]

Ideally both

Probably take magick but special is probably best in slot too

[sudden belfry]

Kk
ill get him again but just for this moment

hmm. is hera good for anything with charon

[uneven palm]

Special, cast, gain, fine line

[sudden belfry]

kk

Ok what is considered generally the best charon special

[uneven palm]

Apollo

Makes it easier to get overlaps and hit multiple times

Also if you’ve got gain from him you’re setting yourself up for his legendary which is also great

[azure notch]

are Glowing Coal, Lightning Lance, and Howling Soul the only 3 abilities that let you place your cast somewhere other than right under your feet? And of those 3, is Lightning Lance the best for Charon since it lets you place the cast anywhere instantly?

[opal pecan]

No, there's also Tipsy Shot (Dionysus)

Lightning Lance and Glowing Coal should both be instant iirc?

[edgy nacelle]

lightning lance is instance, glowing coal has travel time

in general I think the pattern is that the more damage they do, the slower they are

[silent crow]

glowing coal is the best imo the damage is quite impressive at higher rarity

[edgy nacelle]

agreed tbh, and the delay isn’t super long, especially at melee range where it’s basically instant

[stable herald]

Tipsy Shot has the longest travel time

I loved that cast in H1 but it's so not worth it in 2

[opal pecan]

Is it slower in H2 than H1? What happened with it 🤔

[edgy nacelle]

it feels slower in h2…? but it may not be
in h2 a slow cast feels worse since it means you can’t use your cast defensively, and it slows down cast damage combos

[opal pecan]

Ah, that's fair. The context around it makes the difference.

[sudden belfry]

who do i need to speak to in order to get the torches hidden aspect

[opal pecan]

The one who has a nonhidden torch aspect, iirc

[sudden belfry]

ohh i see

[dreamy veldt]

Just used two rerolls getting a boon and never got a non common

9 commons 😍

[sudden belfry]

is the unseen worth it on eos?

also ouch

[azure notch]

Glowing Coal has a projectile that can be blocked by enemies or obstacles between you and the spot where you placed your cast. Lightning Lance places the cast instantly directly where you place it, regardless of anything in the way

[dreamy veldt]

Oh how I miss you excellence

[azure notch]

is Nyx considered the best Coat aspect?

[dreamy veldt]

Also there's no real way to grind materials right

[azure notch]

the animal familiars

[dreamy veldt]

I need like 10 adamant and I'm using fully upgraded Raki

[azure notch]

you just gotta keep playing surface with Raki

[dreamy veldt]

But I can't do anything else right aside from possibly getting the chaos boon for double resources

Cringe

I just did an entire surface run and got no adamant lol

[azure notch]

yeah, the only resource related boon is Demeter's Plentiful Forage, and as far as I know it doesn't actually increase your chance of finding seeds, only Hecuba can do that and Chaos can only give you a chance of harvesting double

[azure notch]

that's just bad luck if you had Raki

[dreamy veldt]

We should be able to concoct resource gathering potions

[low dome]

What's the best weapon and cards RN I got 24 grasp

[junior dome]

is there anything htat makes narcissus more/less likely to show up? grinding for his last gift and haven't seen him in 5 runs

[signal coral]

Im pretty sure most npcs have pity so if they dont show up for a while they have increased odds

Otherwise they are at base odds

[junior dome]

me resetting the seed probably breaks that

for the DD narcissus boon do i have to have DDs active that night, and at least one lost?

[viral yew]

Yes

[junior dome]

tell me im not the only one who got that boon last of all boons

[steep galleon]

I haven't gotten it after 200+ runs

[winter zenith]

If I did 32 fear on underworld and surface is it feasible for me to attempt the chaos trials where I have 20 random fear or should I do some more high fear stuff first? Those are the only 2 chaos trials I have left

[viral yew]

Nah that was the last one I had to get way back

[junior dome]

like the athena DD boon definitely, there were many times on the surface i had lost DDs by the time i got up there

[viral yew]

Unless you've done like 50+ fear and are able to clear with most of the vows active then you probably won't find it easy, you can get some rough vow combos

[junior dome]

but underworld i think i died in erebus all of once before i started running fear, and by that time i was on strength

[signal coral]

You can just reset a few times until you get something doable

Usually the biggest killers are 1) you get a weapon you have no idea how to play 2) you dont get strength/death

Those can both be reset for

The third random killer is that the game gives you antler in one of the regions and you arent comfortable playing antler

That is just unlucky but shouldn't happen too often unless you are really unfortunate

[steep galleon]

I cleared great chaos above with no strength or death but it was ok, the vows weren't too bad

Only rivals 1 and I don't think frenzy was enabled at all on that run

[viral yew]

Or you roll max pain or scars

[signal coral]

Im pretty sure great chaos above was like the most painful supay run I have ever done

Since I was okay with fear but it was the second time I was playing the weapon ever

So it was just a horrible giga slow clear

[junior dome]

so aspect of medea...
aphrodite on attack and special?

[edgy nacelle]

zeus special is usually the go to, and then a % boon on attack (like aphrodite but also hera, apollo, ares etc)

[opal pecan]

Question: I've noticed while hopping from room to room in Ephyra that for some weapons, I seem to be able to "preload" an omega channel as I enter the room, but for others, I have to like... wait a sec before I can start channeling.

1. Am I hallucinating or is this an actual thing, or something related to an actual thing and therefore explainable?

2. why

[lean yoke]

I just had an amazing gameplay experience where ||Prometheus's Eagle attacked and killed Melinoë even after Prometheus was beaten||; the final hit happened during the frames it takes him to kneel in defeat.

It was perfect cause, you know... ||Prometheus. ||

i might have to write a fanfic about that, it was too good a moment

[barren marsh]

is it better to start with calling card or pom if you're doing a fates whim run

[lean yoke]

i dunno!

[opal pecan]

People seem generally more enthusiastic about Pom

I am a Pom Preferrer myself -- it's got two goodies wrapped up in one keepsake after all :)

although this one did have the temerity to give me Howling Soul, sigh

[sudden belfry]

is there a particular familiar that goes best w selene

[lusty heron]

I just go hecuba on all magic intensive aspects

[viral yew]

Not really

[lusty heron]

So selene aswell

[sudden belfry]

kk!

[edgy nacelle]

Hecuba is probably the one with the most direct synergy, since +max magick for more Ω spam to charge your hex
but with a good gain boon any of them can work, Raki for crit or one of the other 3 for defensive buffs is perfectly fine

[sacred storm]

did concave stone get buffed without me noticing? i thought it had a 75% chance to activate at rank 3 but it's saying 100% ingame rn.

[edgy nacelle]

do you have the boon Success Rate right now?

[sacred storm]

oh yes i do

somehow didn't consider it would apply to keepsakes

[edgy nacelle]

it applies to almost everything, it's neat! great paired with white antler for crit 👀
it doesn't apply to daze, dodge chance, Raki specifically (other forms of crit are fine), or iirc the arcana cards like queen, divinity, excellence

but it even applies to things like aspect of Thanatos crit rate, iirc

[sudden belfry]

if i have ares on attack (to get the godsent boon) who should i put on special? does he have any particularly good duos?

[dreamy veldt]

Let's say, hypothetically, I'm doing a Mel axe with
Aphrodite attack
Demeter special
Zeus cast
Extra damage based on HP and 400 HP

Already used Demeter and Aphrodite keepsakes

What do pick going into Olympus

[edgy nacelle]

I don't play Selene a ton but I like Hestia and Poseidon on special, personally!
they both have good duo boons with Ares, and both benefit from Ωspec multi-hitting

also if you have zeus and apollo, the zeus + ares duo boon with light smite from apollo goes absolutely crazy

[dreamy veldt]

Wish he still had an extra hp keepsake 😞

I have 2/3 Zeus legendary req so I could go for that

[edgy nacelle]

oooh hm. I mean experimental hammer is always solid imo, altho on axe it could roll into something bad lol
moon beam if you're using a hex
or just a defensive/offensive keepsake of your choice early, I usually take stuff like pin/fang in region 4 but you can do it now if you want

[dreamy veldt]

Or I could just do hammer yeah

[edgy nacelle]

or another god keepsake if you have a specific goal! but idk, I love the gamble of hammer in region 3 lol

[viral yew]

Athena

[dreamy veldt]

I'm not a strength chad

[viral yew]

Booooooring

[dreamy veldt]

I'm also 2/3 into Demeter legendary which I really want

After looking at hammer upgrades I think I'd rather go bangle

Poggers I have epic Hermes barrier, and then just got Demeter barrier

And I'm using the guardian barrier arcana

[lean yoke]

NOOOOO I just lost sea star pom slices cause i hit r too close to a door

[olive tusk]

just thug the strength arcana out

like what you'll keep dying 20-40 times

and then you, raw iron, come out of the oven as a sharp blade

[opal pecan]

The actual saddest moment

[dreamy veldt]

Didn't get Zeus leg

Sad!

[olive tusk]

happened to me too but with a selene boon 💔

[dreamy veldt]

How does Medea keepsake work

Do I only have the boost when I have the keepsake?

Wait just realized that I had another surface run where I didn't get adamant at all lmao

I wasn't using Raki tho

Cause I wanted to win

[opal pecan]

Yes, it doesn't have the "this night" wording

[dreamy veldt]

Oh I see

I still need to level keepsakes from Dora, Charon, Moros, Eris, Heracles, Medea, Circe

[opal pecan]

Haha I didn't level most of my keepsakes even, I only even started branching out of my faithful few a few days ago. Makes me feel a bit guilty when I see how conscientious other folks been.

[dreamy veldt]

But also I'm just kind of instinctively trying to up my fear, which makes me want to tryhard, which makes me not want to use any of those

[digital juniper]

Moros’ is an extremely good keepsake

but its level isn’t as impactful, as its strongest quality isn’t tied to its level

Dora’s great if you’re running max vow of scars

[dreamy veldt]

Idk I haven't had any interest in either of them

[opal pecan]

Moros is infinite DDs as long as you make sure not to pop it too early in an encounter, innit

Well, that, and not more than once per encounter.

I never took it because DDs

[steep galleon]

Actually now that I think about it, what would heal you more on scars 2, vial or onion?

[dreamy veldt]

But I don't need infinite dds

Well

[opal pecan]

If you wanted to tryhard ;D

[dreamy veldt]

I guess it's probably a lot more helpful if you're good at the game and want to do high fear

[steep galleon]

Ughhhhhhhhh

[spiral wadi]

moros is a strong keepsake in maintaining dds, u get basically 10 straight seconds of free dmg

[steep galleon]

I'd say its highest utility comes from it potentially giving you 10 seconds of invulnerability to wail on Chronos

One of the best region 4 keepsakes for sure

[dreamy veldt]

Interesting

[opal pecan]

You still have to time it for the end, though, right? Or do you just tank the deadline with your normal DDs?

[dreamy veldt]

I'm assuming tank

[opal pecan]

DD world truly requires such a different mindset haha

[steep galleon]

You either tank it or if you manage to finish a phase, you retain the dd but not the pin effect anymore

[opal pecan]

Oh huh, I didn't realize it would reset on new phase.

Or at least, count it as successfully finishing an encounter.

Can you pop it once per phase??? That would be wild

....does the invul also invuln you against Timer damage????

[steep galleon]

No, if it pops in say phase 1, if I finish the phase within 10 seconds, I'll have 60 hp restored and 3 dd's left, but if I die again in the next phase I lose a dd for real, the pin is considered expired for the rest of the fight

[opal pecan]

I see, gotcha.

[dreamy veldt]

I guess I need to decide what I want to do

Do I want to grind nightmare or do I want to grind keepsake levels or do I wanna grind adamant

[opal pecan]

What's the adamant for?

[narrow bramble]

do i lose my extra charges of calling card if i switch before i use it all?

[dreamy veldt]

My one missing hidden aspect

Which would be uhhhh

I don't remember

Hel

I need 7

[junior trail]

no, pin doesn't block timer damage
but! you can avoid it if you time your dash right at the moment the timer ticks, kinda like playing a rhythm game

[dreamy veldt]

I have 30 nightmare now but idk how I wanna spend it

I have Momus Anubis Pan Thanatos Persephone Nyx Shiva at level 1

[junior trail]

Crafting coat and incantations/decoration stuff

[dreamy veldt]

Eos at level 2, and Hel not unlocked yet

[junior trail]

Imo than benefits from lv 5 the most

And mom skull

Both are also easy to play

[dreamy veldt]

I think to finish the rest of the normal aspects it's 29

I forgot, are hidden aspects 2 2 2 3 or 2 2 2 5

[strange canyon]

do u guys know how to get aspect of morrigan ive met artemis like 5 times she wont give the waking phrase to me

[spark crown]

you need all sister blade to lvl 5

[dreamy veldt]

Is Artemis aspect max

[strange canyon]

i have aspect of pan lvl 5 is that okay

[dreamy veldt]

Whoever you want the phrase from, you need their aspect at max

[strange canyon]

no

[spark crown]

you need all 3 lvl 5

[dreamy veldt]

No you just need the one you're talking to

[strange canyon]

really??? ive been misinformed i guess

[dreamy veldt]

My pan is level 1 but I got the hidden

[spark crown]

for sisterblades i had to get all to lvl 5 and the rest i only need 1 on every one

[dreamy veldt]

Cause my Artemis is 5

[strange canyon]

wow alright i have pan lvl 5 artemis lvl 1

did u do it first try?

[dreamy veldt]

Well my pan is still level 1

[edgy nacelle]

you need

1. all other aspects unlocked
2. an aspect other than aspect of Mel maxed out
   it does not need to be the one that matches the name of the NPC who gives the phrase

[strange canyon]

wow so you need the other aspect unlocked i forgot about that

[dreamy veldt]

Oh ok, oops my bad

[edgy nacelle]

some characters have a lot of dialogue to get through, so it can take a bit to get the phrase, annoyingly
but yes you need to have unlocked the other aspects of that weapon too even if they're just at lv1

[strange canyon]

can i do the run with a different weapon?

[edgy nacelle]

I believe so yes?

[strange canyon]

alr thanks ill try to get it now

thanks gang ts worked

[dreamy veldt]

I feel stuck

Like I'm losing my purpose

I guess it would probably be quicker if I do chaos trials that just make me start in Olympus

To try to grind adamant

[edgy nacelle]

sadly you can’t gather resources in chaos trials

[dreamy veldt]

Of course you can't lmao

So I have to try to find a way to get to Olympus as fast as possible repeatedly and then die

I don't think there's gonna be a shortcut for this 😞

I guess I'll just have to get crackin

Putting nightmare grinding on hold temporarily

I wonder if strength would make that much of a difference with speed

Actually I'm probably not good enough for that anyway

[opal pecan]

That's somehow even WILDER lmao. Simply dash to avoid being magically murdered by the blood oath you took swearing to finish going through a region fast enough! If you run fast enough your past self's mistakes can't catch up to you!!!!

[opal pecan]

You do not need to be good to use Strength. I have used Strength nearly 100% of the time and you should have seen me whap ineffectively at gramps the last run I had lmao

Total clown show 😂

But as long as you avoid the Mega Ded Instant KO hits, and you're not doing some big challenge at the same time that would cause an increase in Mega Ded Instant KO situations, IMO Strength makes the game literally just easier to play.

[hallow basin]

do you have the bird yet?
also nightmare grind can be on the same runs, if you try to buy it from hermes shop at the end

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah I have the bird

I guess I'll try to learn Medea

Wish me luck I need 12 adamsnt

[hallow basin]

Personally, I still have Nergal to unlock, because those serpent scales evade me

[static badger]

wow chatgpt is really bad with probability

I was watching the ws while doing a run

[opal pecan]

It's bad with many things that involve factuality, yes

[static badger]

I was like I wonder how often a team who wins game 2 wins the series

something gpt can do the research for me about because it seems like it would be good at it

so it goes "66 percent"

I'm like whoa whoa whoa the series is equal

oops my bad the probability is 66

yeah you just said that and you acknowledged you were wrong

a clever distinction the probability is 66

[opal pecan]

Yeah, it can't do research and doesn't know anything

[edgy nacelle]

it's comically bad at a lot of things tbqh
the "oh I'm sorry! let me correct my mistake: [says the exact same thing again]" stuff is very funny though

[static badger]

the moneyline of people betting the dodgers because of chatgpt

[opal pecan]

My heart hopes that you are joking and my brain says that you may not be joking

[static badger]

kids ask these kinds of questions and make bad decisions based on them

[alpine eagle]

Psychologically I feel that DD’s make it easier for me to play than Strength on the final boss. It feels great going in with full life and three DD compared to just strength where I have to worry about instant kills and essentially doing it all in one life.

Not to mention your effective hit pool is far larger.

[opal pecan]

For normal Chronos, there's really just the two instant kills to worry about, so other than funny oopsie moments, that's it.

[static badger]

here, have another

[opal pecan]

I can't speak as to Rivals Chronos, but that's why I specified no goofy challenges

Normal Typhon doesn't have any instakills afaik?

[alpine eagle]

No, only Rival Typhon

[opal pecan]

There ya go (damn gramps is such a bad influence smh)

[alpine eagle]

And Typhon also has a phase where you cannot attack, you have to just survive for a period of time.

[opal pecan]

Someone get that man away from the local ne'er-do-wells, he's rilin' them up like nobody's business

Anyway yeah, specifically about Not Challenge Runs

[hallow basin]

I personally rarely use strength bc moros' pin is such a clutch and easy damage source

but also I'm like, not invested enough to do super high fear runs. I just wanted my statue

[alpine eagle]

What do you consider a non-challenge run? Anything without Fear?

[opal pecan]

Anything below like.... 16F

[alpine eagle]

Or just no Rivals?

Ah gotcha

[opal pecan]

*this is a pretty arbitrary number

[static badger]

rivals 4 is only 12

[opal pecan]

Good point. Rivals 4 is in its own little basket :P

I, a sanely lazy individual, would certainly never.

[alpine eagle]

Rivals 4 + Frenzy 2 is what I do when practicing new weapons.

[static badger]

what is that 18 fear

[alpine eagle]

18 or 19 I can’t recall

[edgy nacelle]

each frenzy is 3 I think so 18?

[alpine eagle]

Some bosses like Eris I legitimately think is easier during the rivals fight as well.

[static badger]

I just leave frenzy 2 enabled all the time now

[edgy nacelle]

yeah that seems to be an almost universal take
idk if any other rivals fight is easier than baseline, but eris for sure

[opal pecan]

Y'all are somethin else 😆

[alpine eagle]

Eris doesn’t have the fast machine gun attack or shotgun attacks on Rivals, she has like 2 attacking moves and then the lobs.

[static badger]

rival chronos isn't that bad anymore so I need more fear

[edgy nacelle]

see I like to think I'm more sane than the average fear addict since when I want to do a fun run I absolutely do not want to bother with rivals 4, or sometimes frenzy lol
altho turning off frenzy messes with your muscle memory, so that can be weird if you go back and forth

but then again, lately I've just been flip flopping between 62 attempts and speed attempts, so then it's 62 or 8 and nothing in between

[static badger]

same with the 40 percent projectile de buff

[opal pecan]

I guess swapping back and forth trains your flexibility lol

[alpine eagle]

Medea debuff + Hermes debuff causes me to take projectile hits once because they were so slow that when I dodged around them and was killing other stuff I forgot later on they were still moving slowly in the same area

[edgy nacelle]

62 and speedruns both want max frenzy tho which is... something. I've only watched one lets play of hades 2 but seeing them go through it with frenzy off is sometimes disorienting

[alpine eagle]

Do you have any plans to push beyond 62?

[dreamy veldt]

Can someone explain why I'm randomly getting two poms and healing after an encounter?

[opal pecan]

Icarus

[edgy nacelle]

supply chain from icarus?

[alpine eagle]

Icarus buff

[dreamy veldt]

Oh ok

[edgy nacelle]

also:
no 💀 I don't like judgement and am not anywhere near good enough for 67
I haven't succeeded at 62 yet, and I'd rather do 62 with multiple aspects than try for anything higher

[opal pecan]

Ur boyfriend just dropping by with a bento

[dreamy veldt]

I was trying to go as fast as possible and I just saw the ! And picked it

[hallow basin]

as someone who's really not into tackling the difficulty curve, my default is simply rivals 4, 0 if I'm out to finish some prophecies
(An old habit from hades 1, as I always did see region boss upgrades as a story thing)

[alpine eagle]

That’s fair!

[dreamy veldt]

I have 18.75% Dodge chance rn 😳

[edgy nacelle]

tbh I should play rivals 4 without other vows on more, I haven't reeeaaally touched it below 40 fear? but the fights are fun, I'm just used to them being a struggle

[spiral wadi]

it's good to get used to rivals 4 early on tbh, they're hard fights but fun

[alpine eagle]

I think I once got to typhone with like 50% dodge chance. Gale, Circie buff, and then heroic Hermes boon with like 30 boons, and Hestia boon

[spiral wadi]

the only one that's not fun is prometheus and heracles they have so much hp

[opal pecan]

Rivals 4 seems unfun to me, a prole, but I may just be crosspatched because I like to "sightread" and they are... not exactly made for that haha

[alpine eagle]

With torches I don’t mind Heracles and Prometheus much because you just keep pew pewing and eventually they both die

[hallow basin]

my first challenge for heracles fight was the 2nd pattern recog thing for the sea of flames
I have to remember it while fending of big lion man

[spiral wadi]

rivals chronos has very good sightread tells, it's mainly rtyphon that kinda just becomes spammy lol

[opal pecan]

So much is happening on the screen with Typhon??

[hallow basin]

I think rivals typhon is the most unfun rivals fight for me. Actually I think Rivals in H2 was a bump harder than H1

[thorny crater]

i luv typhon

[winter zenith]

Rivals 4 scares me, but I think that’ll be the next fear I turn on once I get used to 32 fear

Right now I think I’m aiming for 32 fear with all weapons, so far I’ve done skull (Persephone), staff (Circe) and blades (Morrigan)

[olive tusk]

has anyone figured out how to avoid that scylla attack in VoR

it is such a run ender

[hallow basin]

It's interesting, the wide variety of how people increase their fears

[dreamy veldt]

Ok so Medea feels pretty good for trying to rush

Did this run in 21 minutes which I'm sure it's like years to normal people but I've never done under 30 before

[olive tusk]

also, I think the opposite of typhon, since there's no active player reading, typhon just becomes boring once you memorize everything

it doesnt really matter how much is going on screen once you know what happens

[dreamy veldt]

Also it was fun, I take back everything bad I said about Medea

[opal pecan]

Niice :D Yeah it's a bit of a zoom innit

[olive tusk]

21 mins is fine but you should be getting faster with medea

[opal pecan]

That's for the best, or she'll curse you with something dreadful.....

[olive tusk]

you will become the flash

[alpine eagle]

Fair enough! How did you work your way to 62 to begin with? I feel like the biggest obstacle for me atm is the no healing. The rest I know that I can get down eventually.

[olive tusk]

clear the room before they even know what came

[olive tusk]

can't speak for them but I worked my way to 62 by first getting used to frenzy 2 30-40 fear, and now I do f1 on 62 fear which helps incredibly in dodging

[edgy nacelle]

at the moment I haven't cleared 62 keep in mind! I cleared 54 with everything on except for grit, pain, and void, and I've made it to p3 chronos multiple times at 62 so I know the main issue is getting better at that fight, everything else feels doable
I just built up from 40 tbh, max scars scared me but wasn't ultimately all that bad

I should probably be trying 60 or 58 or something before 62, but idk, I'm stubborn and I think it is within reach at this point so I may as well just send it

[olive tusk]

definitely give it a try

[edgy nacelle]

and idk, if timer is fine with grit and pain then the only issue is "don't die to gramps," the vows I was missing at 54 won't change all that much overall
grit is an issue for timer, pain is an issue for playing sloppily

[olive tusk]

free hits go from a convenience to like, the top most valuable resource in 50+ fear

nitro boost is the best thing ever

[opal pecan]

Snow Queen?

[edgy nacelle]

annoyingly I think my 54 attempt could have cleared 62 💀 I played unusually well (for me) and got very lucky, so my timer was fine and I took 20 or less damage from everything other than chronos (and did some bosses hitless) so. ah well. next time I have a good run 😤

[olive tusk]

yeah snow queen too, dodge chance stuff like daze and hasty retreat, gale, lovers and so on

[edgy nacelle]

snow queen, lovers, gale, nitro boost, trusty shield, security system... all very very good <3

security system prob the worst of the bunch since it only saves you from getting hit early, but still

[opal pecan]

Any folks on the Security System/Heavy Metal theory train lol

[olive tusk]

I'm stubborn as hell so sometimes I'll go raki even on 62, get humbled and take gale again

[edgy nacelle]

coldshade was recommending toula for some high fear stuff so I've been rotating familiars a lot
80 hp + more if the extra DD tanks a big hit is nice

[olive tusk]

the damagemaxxing builds arent really viable in high fear, I hope it does become viable eventually though

toula and DD are fantastic for high fear yeah

along with the doom keepsake

[spiral wadi]

security system i feel gets more value on surface just cuz of how disgusting rooms can be when entering them especially in summit

[olive tusk]

plus, the damage reduction provided by strength arcana becomes kinda irrelevant

[olive tusk]

defensive boons are always good, but I think a full defense build isn't viable yet

although I'm not in the Hades 2 speedcord, they might've figured something out already

[winter zenith]

To learn rivals 4 is it a good idea to practice by only having rivals 4 and frenzy 2 and learn the patterns before adding other fear

Right now I feel like I’m still bad at the game even though I’ve done multiple 32 fear clears, is that normal

I take a lot of damage from bosses and such

[alpine eagle]

Even the heph mana boon? 🥺

Only seems usually on a build that doesn’t want mana

[olive tusk]

I'm only talking in high fear

full defense + revenge builds are hilarious in low fear

[dreamy veldt]

I had that one and self healing together and like 300 magick and it was really funny

[opal pecan]

I still really want to see Tough Gain + Brave Face in action

[olive tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1431864822542368878/image.png?ex=68fef788&is=68fda608&hm=ed5902861a5f5c76522e1e79b4fcd17ef12ed276cc2968206af3b9b26fca02b8&

this thing eats the entire screen

[spiral wadi]

wtf lmao

[olive tusk]

everyone who has not experienced this bug yet gotta try it out

before it's gone

[spiral wadi]

wait what build is that

[olive tusk]

I got the right build at only 12 fear bruh this is bullying

[opal pecan]

The Charon bug?

[olive tusk]

it's a bug with omega cast, supernova makes it jumbo sized

[opal pecan]

I tried to embiggen the pic and my ancient laptop attempted to slay me in revenge

[edgy nacelle]

you committed a Heinous Affront against your PC, of course it had to take revenge

[sudden belfry]

tips/builds for nergal?

[viral yew]

apollo omega attack

[static badger]

changing my room boons

who can it be now?
who can it be now?

🎷 🎷

[sudden belfry]

thx!

[viral yew]

Is that a men at work reference

[static badger]

who's that knocking at my door

[unborn roost]

how do i post pictures

Wanted to shear my tank "build"

(I have 480 max HP and 402 magic)

[edgy nacelle]

post them to a private server or free image hosting site, then copy paste the link
or if it's an end of run victory screen then pictures are allowed in #h2-victory-boasting

[unborn roost]

#348529020490481664 message

[unborn roost]

The victory screen wont look good cause i got the Fight Fight Fight boon from the echoes wich takes away 5% hp each encounter

[edgy nacelle]

I think you may have opied the message link instead of the image link since I can't see this

[unborn roost]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/348529020490481664/1431912168911142952/image.png?ex=68ff23a0&is=68fdd220&hm=56b343af6ed1e02c2a2f135df6499069d78b76be32186cbd56cf21ff38cc41fa&

[unborn roost]

this.

[edgy nacelle]

OOH yeah, very nice max hp, and glamour gain too to make you even tankier

[unborn roost]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/783396266930733087/1431918211947036764/image.png?ex=68ff2941&is=68fdd7c1&hm=9b868f5c236b34a00a641b13639d0656b1097d44cab65c6a1c84c298a7ae6e2b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

and this

[hallow basin]

what an absolute tank

[unborn roost]

My hex also restores 45 hp https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/783396266930733087/1431919017551204435/image.png?ex=68ff2a01&is=68fdd881&hm=58f362f74f6a9351f2a82fad2f6a850ca4d89e3217c972fecfb78a7fe9bd101c&

Thts extra 225 hp

[severe vortex]

And then you eat chronos ohk attack

[hallow basin]

he still has the skelly keepsake so he has one chance

[unborn roost]

havent fought him yet lol

Lets see if i beat him first time

[hallow basin]

I spam this for the gold

[unborn roost]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/783396266930733087/1431919683518337094/image.png?ex=68ff2aa0&is=68fdd920&hm=59109fe2bdc1d7f7e5a92469a114edb801f78b099431b995c34cbca95ae10003&

im good on gold

this run has very big numbers and im all for it

[hallow basin]

Wishing you the best

[unborn roost]

nope

died with one hp to the dash atack, didnt realise his trail dose damage

got him to 15% hp

not bad for a first run

[tulip pier]

... typhon egg just moved me away from savezone in the last fight and i got insta killed huh

[spiral wadi]

it is certainly a design choice that it is a possibility

it's usually a moment where u actually want to be standing in the instakill zone, then dash into the safe zone right when it triggers

but it's also so infrequent that i kinda just don't care

[tulip pier]

i didnt know it was possible and i tried to dash back in but i overshot

[spiral wadi]

still would prefer if it wasn't a thing

ye it's wack

[low dome]

What's the best weapon

[viral yew]

Staff

[low dome]

What form rn

I keep dying on the Cerberus boss😭

[viral yew]

Circe is easiest for cerb

[viral yew]

Vor or normal

[low dome]

Ok

Ty

What boons to go for

[viral yew]

Zeus/hestia cast, i have a clip of me beating him up with the cores you want to go for

[low dome]

Wdym cores 😭🙏

[viral yew]

Core boons, the ones in the 5 slots on the right

[low dome]

Oh

[viral yew]

https://imgur.com/1IXvj84

Here it's Demeter attack, hera special, zeus cast and apollo sprint

[low dome]

Ok

You killed him like a boss NGL you man handled his ahhh

[viral yew]

Fought him so many times I can do both versions hitless

[low dome]

Ok I'ma give that a try

What cards to run

[viral yew]

Good luck

[viral yew]

You have all 30?

[low dome]

I think I got like 26

[viral yew]

Mkmk do have any cards not unlocked

[low dome]

Let me load the game

[low dome]

I have all but divinity and judgement

[viral yew]

Perfect ok i'll whip smth up

[low dome]

Kk ty 😃

[viral yew]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMiIsImM2IiwiYzciLCJjOCIsImMxMSIsImMxMiIsImMxMyIsImMxNCIsImMxNSIsImMxNiIsImMyMSIsImMyMiJd

[low dome]

Ty

[low dome]

What should I upgrade with my insights

[viral yew]

Origination, death, and persistence

Eventually you want everything upgraded obv but start with those

[low dome]

Ok

[severe vortex]

I was wondering, which familiars do you guys like to use the most? I normally use Hecuba on omega heavy aspects for easier early run mana and Gale for the dodge and occasional protection.

[viral yew]

Hecuba for magic, and then gale/frinos for high fear, and raki for speedruns and fun runs

[edgy nacelle]

hecuba and gale are my most used by far, followed by raki
toula is my least used but I'm warming up to her for high fear stuff

[severe vortex]

I haven't used Frinos in a while, maybe I should take a better look at the frog

[viral yew]

Have you started using gale for 60?

[severe vortex]

Toula is a good offense/defense balance but sometimes a bit tricky to use

I can't decide if I like playing with her or not

[viral yew]

I hate toula

[rare crypt]

Does anyone have an insight why dodging (specifically i-framing attacks) feels so much worse compared to Hades 1? In the sense that I get hit a lot more. Is it I got too used to the two dashes in Hades 1? Or just how the game buffers the dash command in Hades 2 (leading to incorrect timing on actually dashing through attacks)? Or am I missing something else entirely? Or just a massive skill issue and I just need to get good? I do have like 120hrs already and I'm not seeing progress on me getting hit less frequently (anymore).

[edgy nacelle]

I've been going back and forth between Gale and Toula now
I feel like the extra DD has the potential to save my ass more than Frinos HP does, and I can pretty consistently save Gale barriers for gramps even if I burn them early in Oceanus and Erebus lol

[viral yew]

You don't have the 2 dashes, plus sprinting is very important

[severe vortex]

^ That and spamming your cast

[viral yew]

Cast is also actually good in this game

[edgy nacelle]

on a lot of weapons I flat out ignore Toula's offense, but the extra DD and ability to even refill the extra DD if I have a truly hellish early game is nice 🤷
idk, I've slept on the sleepy cat, she's growing on me for sure (ty coldshade)

[severe vortex]

I'll add that swift runner arcana is better than you might think

[severe vortex]

I can't decide which is better between the dd and gale's dodge

[rare crypt]

All these responses lead me to believe it's got nothing to do with timing, but rather positioning. And that maybe I should play less aggressively, cause I can't literally dodge everything (like you would in Hades 1). Am I wrong?

[viral yew]

On max pain gale always saves me more hp than either of them

[digital juniper]

The DD is better if you get hit kinda frequently by normal mobs, Gale is much better if you can preserve her charges for the boss

[edgy nacelle]

I think gale is better IF you can save your barriers for the final boss
if gale just brings 1 barrier + dodge chance then it's up to rng whether Gale is able to help more
extra DD is consistent even if you play badly

and ofc if Gale only brings minor dodge chance then you may not benefit at all, since it's fully rng dependent lol

[viral yew]

Nah that's about it, you can still play hyperagressive, it's just practice and a lot more timing instead of dash spam

[severe vortex]

Sprinting for positioning, casts for stopping and clumping foes. Then you should also dodge inside the projectiles rather than away

[digital juniper]

me when i die when i have 40% dodge chance:

[rare crypt]

Maybe it was a mistake to play with Frenzy 2 from the get-go, but I've been playing on it for like a week (still low Fear) and I can't seem to get used to not getting hit a lot. It's not a problem on these low Fear runs, but I can't even begin to imagine how I'm supposed to even go through 1 Region with Scars or w/e else active on higher Fear

[digital juniper]

how many runs have you played with F2?

in my experience it took me about 20 runs to get used to it

[rare crypt]

like 200?

[digital juniper]

oh

[digital juniper]

and then a good bit more to get used to both frenzy 2 and rivals 4(still suck at chronos)

[rare crypt]

again, im not dying on these runs, but (I am getting hit a lot) I'll DEF be dying if the Fear was higher and I had some other nasty modifiers I had to deal with

[severe vortex]

I didn't do much of frenzy so far, though I might if I start pkaying with timer 3 at some point

[rare crypt]

getting hit was never a thing in Hades 1 for me

[digital juniper]

well yeah that’s just part of the process

you could be fully accustomed to frenzy 2 and then turn on scars and pain and get back to struggling

[severe vortex]

It does feel like you can facetank more in this game, at least until you get reduced healings

[digital juniper]

it’s because double dashes and divine dash existed, that was straight up busted

for H2 as the others said you have to be more tactical with your positioning

yes you can play aggressive but you have to be mindful of your position at all times basically. that wasn’t necessarily a thing with H1 until very high heat just because divine dash was busted lol

[edgy nacelle]

I'd guess utilizing sprint and cast more may also be part of it...? the double dash makes i-frame timing a lot more forgiving in h1, so unless I'm very confident I find myself focusing more on positioning in h2 than I did in the first game

[rare crypt]

hands down my favorite line in the whole game when I picked Divine Dash for the first time and Athena said "your brother's favorite" - I felt seen

[digital juniper]

oh yeah, she called all of us out on that lmao

for the first 10-15 hours in H2 coming from H1 i was perplexed why i couldn’t dodge anything, but then realized i simply can’t play it like i was playing H1

[severe vortex]

Athena dash my beloved

[digital juniper]

not saying i don’t get hit now, but i do recognize where i messed up and how i could’ve prevented that a lot of the time

[severe vortex]

I remember panic runs where I cleared with dash damages alone

[digital juniper]

haha poseidon dash goes brrrr

especially in Styx

[rare crypt]

to be fair I also think I don't vibe with the weapons as much as I did in Hades 1 AND I still don't quite get how I get locked into certain weapon animations in Hades 2, Sister Blades in particular sometimes feel unwieldy, like they read my mind what I was about to press 4 seconds ago and they still do it, even though I pressed no buttons

[edgy nacelle]

ahhh yeah sister blades in particular that's a common complaint about actually
the attack sequence is fast so you feel like you want to spam it, but spamming it locks you into parts of it and makes you less mobile

[severe vortex]

The latter part of the attack combo lock in place for a surprising amount of time

cancel a combo with a dash-strike can be useful

like how you can cancel the axe final chop with a regular special

[rare crypt]

I also can't seem to change where i'm aiming the combo ender (or the Last Hit, w/e u wanna call it), that part of the combat felt much more snappy/controllable in Hades 1 to me

just mechanically (combat animations and such) the game feels a lot different and not necessarily better, even though I still quite enjoy it

[severe vortex]

It's been too long, I don't remember exactly how it was in H1

[calm pike]

Huh interesting, I feel like I vibe with more of the aspects compared to h1

Sword and spear movesets felt horrible in h1, and I didn't really like the fists either

[rare crypt]

Nah, Aspects are a hard miss for me in H2, I pretty much loved every single aspect in H1, I like about 3 aspects total in H2 (give or take)

if Sister Blades felt a bit snappier i'd prolly never play anything else (and that is SO different, compared to H1 where I LOVED the bow, but played all aspects)

[eternal thunder]

i'm confused by aspect of persephone. it says boons start with extra levels but ive retried this run twice and that isn't happening? i have the aspect maxed out, too

[rare crypt]

as an example the Black Coat is my fastest clear so far, but I legit don't like how that weapon feels to use AT ALL

[calm pike]

Yeah I agree with that one, only the hidden aspect of it feels good

[digital juniper]

the aspect of persephone has a 50% chance of giving you no extra levels, and then the other 50% is distributed among +1 to +5 (i think?)

also if you just undo night it doesn’t reset the seed. you either have to die or if have the reroll the seed incantation

[eternal thunder]

alright thank you

[severe vortex]

That's an incantation? or a mod

[rare crypt]

incantation

[severe vortex]

interesting, didn't know you could reload a seed

[digital juniper]

yeah it’s a bit lategame

comes after the epilogue and getting the 3rd statue (or just 32f underworld, one of em)

[severe vortex]

I'm almost at the epilogue

[rare crypt]

I still don't have the auto-collect one, it's kind of annoying, im basically gonna 99% the game before I get it

[severe vortex]

got it

[digital juniper]

oh yeah that one sucks too, but apparently in the preview patch they lowered its requirements

[rare crypt]

Yeah, I know, but I don't think it's gonna affect me (depending on how long before that patch is live)

[severe vortex]

I already have it but don't know the requirements

[rare crypt]

I think u gotta max out relationship with all pets (and catch all fish types)

[digital juniper]

Greatest Gift of Gaia (auto-collect resources when leaving a room)

• all 5 familiars at max rank
• caught at least 24 of the 27 fish at least once
• have owned all 10 seed types (you don't need to still have them)
• have owned all 9 ore types
• have owned all 9 hand-picked resources
• have gathered shades at least 51 times
• have dug at least 101 shovel points
• have pickaxed at least 101 outcroppings
• have caught at least 51 fish

these are its requirements as of the current live patch. no clue about the preview patch yet

[severe vortex]

I see, I spammed toula when I got her because I remember getting rare fish was a pain in h1

[rare crypt]

yeah, same, but I've been ignoring all my pets since I got Raki (started to work on it, but it's slow)

I may have a crit addiction and this game isn't really contributing much

[upbeat pine]

is the anubis staff the worst weapon in the game? how does this even work

whats the point of pulling enemies towards you with the special attack anyways

[calm pike]

Try it with zeus, insanely stupid

[edgy nacelle]

the idea with that is to pull them into the damage fields from your attack and Ω attack
also it does high damage and anubis gets channel speed as you upgrade it
it's a weird weapon but quite good, put scorch or splash on the attack if you want to learn to like it
zeus too, but scorch and splash are like... instantly strong

[upbeat pine]

i am

[edgy nacelle]

you may just not vibe with it but it's definitely a strong weapon 🤷

[calm pike]

and did you get the boon which procs blitz on omegas?

even without it it's strong

But with it it's just insane

[upbeat pine]

pull them towards me and take the damage or... use an aspect that i dont have to do that and take less damage

[calm pike]

Press space

[edgy nacelle]

or only pull them towards you when their armor is broken so you can stagger them
or use freeze and dash away
also idk, focus on the attack and Ω attack

for speedruns you want to spam Ω special, but scorch on anubis attack + pyro technique means you just kinda win, even if you never press your special

again you may just not vibe with it, it has a very unique kit!
but it's very strong

[upbeat pine]

I died once to headmistress (on like 16 nightmare) and that hadn't happened before

[upbeat pine]

probably this, i really dont like it

[edgy nacelle]

if it was your first try with the weapon it sounds like you also just aren't used to it
you can't pull bosses into you so that didn't make you take more damage
for me a lot of what I enjoy about anubis is positioning the omega attack, you can dash + re-aim while channeling to either cover more total AoE or concentrate on a specific boss

[digital juniper]

double dipping attack and oattack goes brrrr

[edgy nacelle]

it's also just crazy safe, it's less fun to play that way but you can put down a scorch or splash field then just dodge till it goes away, and most of the time you win lol (at low fear, at least)

[upbeat pine]

i understand the moveset and strategy, but im always pulling enemies towards me when they are in the middle of an attack

its just dumb

[edgy nacelle]

🤷 idt it's dumb
but it's fine to personally dislike it
I don't really enjoy medea which is the strongest weapon in the game

[digital juniper]

???? you’re not allowed to have an opinion

it’s the strongest weapon you have to like it!!!11!!

[edgy nacelle]

😔

(don't eyeroll lol I'm abt 99% sure 6 is joking)

[digital juniper]

for those who don’t get it, i’m being sarcastic and joking around with Malkin^

[upbeat pine]

(its still not funny)

[edgy nacelle]

...also why did I type your name as 6, wtf, haven't done that before

[digital juniper]

aye im making a joke around with a friend, you don’t gotta find it funny

[digital juniper]

nah in online communities i either go by 6 or Six, so that’s normal (my full username is 6alalloo, so 6 makes sense)

[edgy nacelle]

oooh ok!
I just did it without thinking and had to pause and go "wait, but why," it's weird to do that without noticing lol

[upbeat pine]

might actually lose the run with this useless weapon too

[viral yew]

Anubis is amazing

[digital juniper]

i’d assume everytime you mention the actual number, the times you wrote it numerically massively outweighs the times you wrote it as a word, so eh, makes sense to me

[upbeat pine]

do i have to use this to complete certain quests or

[viral yew]

Just cause you can't play it doesn't mean it's bad

[viral yew]

There's 2 fated list things you need to do with it

[upbeat pine]

bait

[viral yew]

I'm serious

[edgy nacelle]

you can also stop calling it useless and dumb and thumbs down reacting ppl who like it just because you don't 🤷
just leave it at "I don't enjoy it and I'm not great at playing it," that's me with Medea but I'm not gonna argue Medea is bad

[viral yew]

I've cleared 50f with anubis no sweat, it's an amazing aspect with a lot of utility you just gotta learn it

[digital juniper]

you can only say that about Shiva. Shiva is a bad weapon

[viral yew]

Especially cause I beat your pb with it

[viral yew]

I'm going to strangle you with your own intestines

[digital juniper]

it just is bad smh my head

you gotta accept it

[edgy nacelle]

it's bad at not clearing 67 fear 😔

tragic, unusable

[viral yew]

Me and my 7k crits are over here ignoring you

[digital juniper]

smh real aspects clear the new 71 fear first try

[viral yew]

Lmaoooo

Boated actually dropped a shiva video earlier he can play it way better than me

[edgy nacelle]

vow of armlessness
you take deal -25% damage for each arm your aspect's namesake has in mythology
those last 4 fear after 67 are really rough for Shiva 😔

[viral yew]

😭

This is racism

[edgy nacelle]

I still need to watch that, the thumbnail build looked fun
altho also I can't think of a single aspect boated doesn't play better than me lol

[viral yew]

I really need to stop comparing myself atp 😭

[digital juniper]

boated’s just goated fr

[upbeat pine]

i just dont find this 'use m1 and cast and run away to let your shades kill the enemies' particulary good

rather just use aspect of melinoe

[digital juniper]

if it makes you guys feel any better medea’s my favourite aspect and uh, Foolish exists

[sinful marlin]

Boated is just a really really really good player with all the game knowledge + 170ms reactions

[digital juniper]

well yeah mel staff is top 3 or top 5 aspects in the game in turns of strength

[sinful marlin]

No point comparing ourselves with him

[edgy nacelle]

even as someone who doesn't enjoy playing medea, watching Foolish use it makes me feel like I play the game blindfolded and have no thumbs

[digital juniper]

he was on stream running some 67f surface medea and tell me why this guy is doing more DPS than me on anyfear

okay that’s an exaggeration but you guys get my point

[edgy nacelle]

I was talking to a friend who doesn't play any game harder than stardew abt casual speedrun attempts and she was very enthusiastically like "omg you should try to get into the top 30 or something and".......
......her confidence in me was very sweet. but uhhh not happening

[sinful marlin]

I used to be a hardcore Dota 2 and For honor player and also had 170-200 ms reactions and mechanical skillbut that was years ago and I'm old now lolll

[viral yew]

I keep forgetting most of the playerbase, like Hout, is ass and i'm kinda decent at the game

[edgy nacelle]

maybe if I did it the day 1.0 dropped when there weren't many sub-6 runs submitted yet, but now it's doomed

[viral yew]

I'm in the top 30 :P

[digital juniper]

eh you could make it into the top 30 still if you keep going

[viral yew]

But watching boated and foolish play is like a religious experience

[edgy nacelle]

oh wait are you literally #30 right now

[glass bone]

I mean you could try to go for a top spot for a specific aspect

[edgy nacelle]

idr your exact time, I just know every time I check there are more and more competitive times the longer the game has been out lol

[viral yew]

Yeah I won't be for long but

[viral yew]

Oh boy it's shiva time

[digital juniper]

watching any of the high end fear/speed players is tbh

[edgy nacelle]

I have a feeling that by the time I beat your 5:30 or w/e that will no longer be top 30 😔

[viral yew]

It won't

[digital juniper]

DTB, aren’t you still the only 62f mel blades on the boards?

[edgy nacelle]

I mean if nobody submits a top 30 time before I shave over 20 seconds off my pb then sure but that seems unlikely

[glass bone]

No. Aki has one for Surface, and Boated did do Mel Blades 62 (but idk if they submitted it)

Oh also there is a 67 for Mel Blades, but it has room resets and mods.

[digital juniper]

ah yes we don’t talk about those

[glass bone]

Yeah….

But I do have the most amount of Mel Blades 62 fear clears. I think the number is like… 5.

Still been meaning to do a review of that aspect / guide for Mobalytics

[sinful marlin]

Do you have any advice for a 55f fear player trying to clear 60 fear?

[rare crypt]

medea's funny, u just enable auto-fire and then u just slide attack>special with the thumb non-stop

[glass bone]

Really depends on the aspect and vows already taken.

[edgy nacelle]

....hm. you know I realize I've never turned on auto fire and have no idea if there are situations where I should

[sinful marlin]

I'm trying with Circe and Mel staff

My 55 clear was everything at max except void and pain. Had scars 2

[viral yew]

I too am in the same boat

[sinful marlin]

I can't get out of erebus hecate out times me or kills me outright. I'm running death

[edgy nacelle]

I'm kind of in the same boat but my 54 had max scars and no pain or grit
but idt grit is a huge issue beyond "more chances to make mistakes vs gramps," pain is the actual run killer. just need to get good ig smh

[sinful marlin]

Getting good is so hard ngl 😭

[glass bone]

Ok that’s more useful info. Is there something specific to Rival Hecate that’s a struggle?

[viral yew]

My problem is purely p3

[sinful marlin]

Not really it's most likely a skill issue for me

[viral yew]

And that's just a skill issue lmao

[glass bone]

Also, I really don’t want to be rude about the advice, but… you have every single “game changing” vow set (Hordes, Grit, Debt, Denial, Forfeit, Rivals, etc.). All that’s left is to practice the encounters and bosses and to not get hit. As much of a cop out that may be, that really is the difference; how much damage you take between each region.

Though I will say, it’s okay to lose a death defiance or two to Hecate.

It just means you have to lock in more for Scylla, (usually Fields has a way to recover via Echo / Athena)

[sinful marlin]

That's nice to know, I usually undo night if I lose a dd

I need to practice on the weekends once I get back to my pc

[viral yew]

I would definitely agree with this

[edgy nacelle]

what arcana are you running btw? apart from death
personally at my skill level I feel like if I don't get enough pieces of my build in place in erebus the run is simply too slow to get off the ground, and I've found that artificer and boatman really help with that tbh
I still restart some bad erebus runs, but it feels more consistent 🤷 and gigaros start helps with erebus a ton, if you're playing fate's whim

[sinful marlin]

I took 378 damage from chronos on my 55 clear life tax and heph saved me hard

[sinful marlin]

I'll post it in #h2-victory-boasting

[viral yew]

Which is close to 800 on max pain

[glass bone]

To put this a bit into perspective; there was a Morrigan clear I had which took 168 damage from Hecate. And because of Echo’s Survive x 3, I was able to persist to the next region.

[edgy nacelle]

just thinking about hecate/erebus specifically, since I don't personally have much trouble with her (unless I can tell by midshop that the run isn't going well lol) so maybe it's an arcana issue or something

[sinful marlin]

Exactly

[viral yew]

I'm practising lower fear with max pain atm to get better at the fight

[edgy nacelle]

also yeah, you can even luck into survive survive survive and renewed faith if you have two truly awful regions lmao
if gramps is consistent there are a lot of ways to get there, he just isn't for me yet

[digital juniper]

you could also savestate the fight for faster practice

[glass bone]

I’ve looked at some other clears, and I see 40-60 damage on what is probably an average Hecate fight.

[viral yew]

I really do need to do that, just need someone to help me

[digital juniper]

hol on i’ll tag you in the speedcord, it’s extremely simple

[viral yew]

Bet

[sinful marlin]

I'd say I'm not good enough for medea sirens, but what would you suggest between circe and mel staff

[edgy nacelle]

@sinful marlin re: arcana hm, if erebus is giving you trouble maybe try boatman tbh? guaranteed midshop boon = +1 boon for hecate, and sometimes that can rly make a difference
and then ofc wayward won't do anything with max scars but eh, that's a problem for when you do max scars

[glass bone]

Circe is a safer aspect to play, Mel Staff often deals more damage at a peak.

[edgy nacelle]

(personally I also drop huntress a lot since I love grabbing static shock and trusty shield, and between that and hubris I tend to prime out a lot lol, which may or may not be ideal) wow double typos, prime out not time out

[sinful marlin]

Yes that might be true I'm bankrupt in erebus 😭

[viral yew]

I prefer circe

[sinful marlin]

True true, especially with dual moonshot and gigaros lol but I've not been that lucky yet

[glass bone]

Though with Scorch Cast actually working now (somehow I was recommending that cast when it would only apply scorch to enemies in both casts?), Circe may be more consistent in UW for starting out still.

Oh also Ares cast got buffed, so you can feel more comfortable taking it if you see it.

[viral yew]

Scorch cast also feels really nice

[edgy nacelle]

does ares cast actually double the damage if an enemy is in both circles? or is like... blade ICD or whatever still limited
I feel like whenever I've tried it on circe it's felt bad, too duo reliant and hard to rly stack on bosses

[glass bone]

Idk, cause I haven’t played the beta yet

[edgy nacelle]

if they didn't mention the behavior changing then I assume it's still capped at one blade per enemy regardless of whether it's in both cast circles

I've also had some success with "whoops I guess I'm taking anvil ring" runs lol, esp since winner's circle does let you get more damage out of them
but storm/smolder ring in erebus is still my goal

[sinful marlin]

So essentially we have storm ring or smolder ring for circe now, maybe anvil or tide ring as well

[edgy nacelle]

trying to think if anything else is worth mentioning... I mean if you're doing winner's circle then solar ring is just more damage than tidal, if you don't include potential froth procs

[wet pawn]

I use posseidon's cast and it works great

[edgy nacelle]

hera, aphro, and demeter are just for origination + okay damage but I feel like they don't rly carry enough at 60+, they're very safe and ig there's air quality but. idk, I'd rather just play Mel staff if my cast isn't doing heavy lifting

[sinful marlin]

The channel speed feels very risky for any omega cast boon like ares or Apollo

[edgy nacelle]

with apollo even if you don't omega cast it's still just more base damage than tidal ring! just backloaded damage instead of frontloaded, so without winner's circle it's a bit slow

but also idk, I don't super like winner's circle circe at high fear, it feels scary

[glass bone]

There is the Froth damage though

[edgy nacelle]

also with psychic leash froth can probably go very very hard

[sinful marlin]

Yes tidal ring can be good + success rate for the memes

[edgy nacelle]

but then again daze, + self healing working through scars, so I'm not exactly mad to see apollo. hm

[sinful marlin]

I don't understand froth very well

[viral yew]

I hate tidal ring for circe

[sinful marlin]

Does it trigger every second? So you can theoretically deal 150 damage every cast

[edgy nacelle]

froth has a 30% chance to trigger any time you deal damage at all, iirc? although some damage (like scorch) doesn't count
so it's good if you have rapid sources of damage, like psychic leash or arctic gale, static shock, etc etc

[sinful marlin]

Oh my that goes hard

[edgy nacelle]

it may have some sort of internal cooldown on how often it can proc, but it's just... "you have a chance to deal 60 extra damage whenever you hit this enemy while they're cursed" afaik

[sinful marlin]

Good stuff nice to know

There's also a rare chance of getting aphro and then Poseidon aphro duo so your weak now causes 45% less damage

[smoky sable]

Aprodite or Apollo on medea attack?

[edgy nacelle]

it's kind of funny to me that froth does too much damage to work with air quality also
like... I guess that's good because it means it's stronger? but also almost everything which is good with air quality also loves froth, so it's funny that froth itself can't benefit

[edgy nacelle]

both are fine
what's the rest of your build looking like?

[smoky sable]

first boon

it's surface so there's both apollo and aphro rooms

[edgy nacelle]

aphrodite is more damage so I'd probably go with her, altho I don't play medea super often

[viral yew]

Aphro is next best after ares

[edgy nacelle]

the only reason I'd prioritize apollo is if zeus and ares were already in the build because heinous affront is fun lol
but then again, I'd want ares attack zeus special in that case, not apollo on either

[viral yew]

Heinous affront is my favourite build

[smoky sable]

ares on the special would be any good?

[edgy nacelle]

it's okay, but worse than zeus on special by a lot

[viral yew]

For medea? Hell no, you want zeus

[edgy nacelle]

like idk, medea with anything on it is still strong af
but if you have zeus and ares there's no way you'd choose ares special zeus attack, if given the option

[smoky sable]

yeah that is very tru

[smoky sable]

I'll try out that build sometime

I really like the rerolling runs incantation

[edgy nacelle]

ares attack + zeus special + light smite from apollo + heinous affront (ares zeus duo) is very very fun on medea, highly recommend
on any weapon it's fun tbh, you may just rotate which slot gets zeus and which gets ares depending on weapon/aspect

[spark crown]

droped from 60f attepts to 50f and reached and got hecate to half health (i normaly play 10-15f)

[edgy nacelle]

trying a 60f attempt when you normally play 15f is incredibly brave and also......... maybe not a great idea 💀 good luck, possibly ramp up more slowly lol
50+ and esp 60+ fear is rough

[viral yew]

Probably doing better than faker

[spark crown]

T-T

guess ill rephase

we had a guy in here yesterday being "not nice" and he was challenged to do 50f as he claimed it was easy so i also did it to beat it outta spite before him

[tall notch]

What's wrong with starting at like 32f

[spark crown]

nah gotta go all the way XD

[tall notch]

Wait I'm missing context please fill me in on the lore

[spark crown]

(it was 3am and i was too tired to think properly)

[edgy nacelle]

oooh hell yeah, love a spite clear lol
is this someone I heard about @viral yew or someone new

[digital juniper]

idk man i went from 10f to 67f and im cruising

[glass bone]

🍿 (me now interested in the drama)

[spark crown]

the one you heard about

im aussuming

[spark crown]

(god i wish i could spell)

[viral yew]

Go from there

[spark crown]

all this started cuz i shared my arcana build XD

[edgy nacelle]

ok yes it's that guy LMAO I remember him

[tall notch]

How do i actually go there on mobile? Clicking on the message doesn't send me to it

[spark crown]

ill get it for ya

here it is with no ping for op

[edgy nacelle]

it doesn't work on PC either I just remember getting dmed a link to that exact message lol

[viral yew]

Here

[rare crypt]

im confused, why did I just unlock "Surge of Desecrating Pools" incantation?

what are the requirements xD

[spark crown]

i got it after dissolution of time

and winning that run

[edgy nacelle]

I... don't remember? maybe seeing the inactive purging pool in tartarus enough times or something
I wish the wiki was up to date for stuff like this, I can never keep unlock prereqs straight 😔 ah well

[spark crown]

that not the right one

the "Surge of Desecrating Pools" is the one that puts them in every between region

[digital juniper]

i got that one real early on

[edgy nacelle]

oh I know that! I just know you see one that doesn't work in tartarus a few times, so seeing the inactive one may help Mel learn how to summon ones that work for every region

[zealous crane]

Tips for boons and keepsakes with the aspect of negral for the axe?

[edgy nacelle]

if you can get the "psychich whirlwind" upgrade from a deadalus hammer then life is great, but you can't reroll those so it's very rng dependent

[glass bone]

Psychic Whirlwind hammer upgrade. Pick it up, every time. Also take a % Attack boon (Demeter, or Hera ideally)

[tall notch]

That was a read

[viral yew]

Tell me about it

[glass bone]

Coldshade I got bored trying to figure it out in 5 seconds. What’s the spark notes version?

[edgy nacelle]

beyond that I'll leave it to people who play nergal more than 1% of the time, I'm not a bonk stick expert altho it is fun

[tall notch]

Why are they assuming the identity of some esports player 😭

[zealous crane]

tyty

[viral yew]

Homophobe got shown up by a hot lesbian