h2-builds-and-combat

[opal pecan]

Huh, and she has lines about it! Nice.

[shy moat]

Oh right

I've been under fates' whim for so long I forgot rerolls exist

[opal pecan]

Q: Mental Block's phrasing says it makes you deflect. Is this the case even if you have a boon that makes your casts ranged?

...though I suppose the good old favorite is probably still the good old favorite for a reason 😆

[gloomy imp]

What'd you use on Nyx aspect? Tried a couple things on it but I can't make it work, went for Poseidon on special but it didn't turn out to be that good

[austere trail]

poseidon on attack is a lot better for nyx

[cerulean panther]

Hestia is big. I'd recommend learning an Auto-Fire binding, makes holding down Special while avoiding Omegas less stressful than button mashing.

[austere trail]

slippery slope is great for one half of origination as well

[sullen wyvern]

What would be an easy and consistent build for the Cinders?

Currently only have Aspect of Melinoe maxed out on them

I am very confused as to which part of the kit I need to prioritize and with which boons

Omega Special seems strong, though my favourite part of the kit is still Omega Attack

[gloomy imp]

Does the dash attack also "split" while the buff is active?

[gloomy imp]

Not sure what you mean exactly

[austere trail]

I'm not really sure sorry

[opal pecan]

So I know that rolling bearable vows was a big part of it, but also, I'm laughing so hard at the fact that just like Mel coat carried me through my first Surface clears, Mel coat also seems to have carried me through my first GCB

[gloomy imp]

Dw, was just out of curiosity

[wise swallow]

Ok maybe the aspect of shiva is pretty fun

[cerulean panther]

Nightspawn on Nyx only affect the regular Attack and Special. Instead of just mashing Special, check Gameplay and Controls from the menu to set up Auto-Fire.

[gloomy imp]

Doesn't seem like I have to make much use of the split mechanic of Nyx aspect while playing it just use it like any other coat ig

[gloomy imp]

Ohh wait I see what you mean

That actually sounds funny af

[silent crow]

yeah its very braindead

[cerulean panther]

I thiiink it also has the added benefit of frame-perfect attack speed.

[silent crow]

if you want some spice you can try omega move boosters & hexes

[gloomy imp]

Yeah something like that could work too

[wise swallow]

I had an awesome nyx coat build going then I stepped in fire again for the second time today

[gloomy imp]

Does the auto fire thing have any other use with some other aspect/weapon

[azure notch]

how does damage math works in this game? Like if I have Air Quality with Secret Crush, does the Secret Crush bonus apply before or after Air Quality? And how would both of those interact with, say, Nova Strike or anything that gives a % bonus damage on your attack? Does the percent apply after secret crush? What's the order?

[opal pecan]

Air Quality applies dead last, according to experimentations that others have carried out. I have not experimented myself.

[viral yew]

Air quality and things like evil eye apply last

Origination doesn't tho

I don't think, the maths in this game is weird

[wise swallow]

I am shivaing it rn

[opal pecan]

Shivving all your enemies 🫡

[stray notch]

how does the hestia - ephestus duo work exactly? it's a bit confusing

[wise swallow]

Its simple really. as soon as heph blast is ready, you have a 2 second window to use it

if you use it within 2 seconds of it rereadying itself, it will strike twice

[stray notch]

ah ok, i have 2 seconds, that was what i was missing

[wise swallow]

happy trails

[forest hinge]

what are good Mel-Torch boons?

[stray notch]

I like to go aphrodite attack close range rage :3
And add on it demeter, ares and poseidon for the extra effects on omega attack
Mindless gatling build

[forest hinge]

boom boom i like crit!!

[stray notch]

I use poseidon gain cause it recharges when using omega attacks, but i think aphro should work and also it applies weak

[silent crow]

has anyone tried arc flash zeus attack mel torch

it seems like the perfect synergy

[stray notch]

y that plus staic shock and double strike is gg.
You aslo want apollo double attack

double double

and hephestus duo for extra bounce

[dreamy veldt]

Alright gang I'm pissed off

How do I never lose to Prometheus ever again

[shy moat]

Pay attention to the animations he does and don't panic, all his attacks are avoidable

[azure notch]

what attacks are you getting hit by? His phase break attack was tough for me to figure out at first but then I realized it was easier if I just memorized where it's safe to stand instead of memorizing where it's dangerous to stand. He also has a few attacks that have 2 different versions, like the spin kick and the ground slam. These attacks have added effects if Prometheus stays in the same place when using them. If he jumps towards you with either of those attacks, they won't be hard to avoid. If he's staying in the same spot during the startup, then the spin kick shoots a big projectile towards you and the ground slam creates a burning ring around him. Oh and with the attack where he creates a burning ring around you, I just run around the perimeter of the battlefield so the ring is mostly hanging off the edge and takes up as little space as possible

[dreamy veldt]

Oh the staying in place thing is really helpful

[elfin forge]

the way it works is that he'll do the followup every 3 attacks, I think, after phase 1

[dreamy veldt]

I feel like I just get caught out a lot, like I don't react to his animations fast enough

[elfin forge]

so basic kick, basic punches, and then empowered groud slam with the fire ring

some sort of set like that

[dreamy veldt]

I've beaten him plenty of times but this time I actually cared about it for the vow thing and I choked and now I'm angy

[elfin forge]

I think it's best to just stand still and let him come to me, or even approach him so he triggers his next move faster, instead of running away and having him chase you for a long time

also don't hit the satyrs when they spawn, they stay longer if you hit them

[dreamy veldt]

Interesting

[velvet hawk]

best pet for artemis blades?

as for the build, is running aphro atk with zues special the best combo?

with some hera and demeter on the side?

[elfin forge]

raki for even more crit change?

[velvet hawk]

Mm

[elfin forge]

idk pets don't usually matter that much
Artemis isn't that mana hungry unless you spam omega attacks to fish for juicy crits

[velvet hawk]

true

[elfin forge]

in which case you have 3 choices for tanky familiars(Frinos, Toula, Gale), and 1 choice for damage familiar

[velvet hawk]

always went with frinos or gale, will try raki for once

[elfin forge]

raki is pretty fun

one of the few sources of crit in the game lol

[velvet hawk]

true

would be nice if i got circe double animal familiar bonus

[static badger]

beware Prometheus plus heracles

now that I'm playing Hades 1 they remind me of some of these bosses

[azure notch]

same strategy too, focus the big strong one first and then you can kill the main one when he's alone so much more easily

[opal pecan]

TBH I've been focusing Pro -- not hard focusing, just that if both are equally smackable but in different areas, I'd rather go Pro.

One (1) of these guys can do seven bajillion AOEs and it ain't mister strongman

[dreamy veldt]

Oh yay I took less than 100 damage from eye this time

Last time I took 300

[static badger]

from eye?

that bouncing eye can do some serious damage

wow that was the worst Erebus ever

[slim sparrow]

i heard somewhere that the hephaestus atk has a min cooldown of 2 seconds (1.6 with posideon duo)

is there the same cooldown limit for all hep blast boons?

[shy moat]

I'd assume so but don't know for sure so don't want to say yes >.>

Unrelated; why does Dio have the 5/55/555 damage boon so late in the game and, more importantly, why does it then ignore crits and things?

It's so niche if you'll have a build that can make use of it :/

[opal pecan]

He's a troll is why

[junior trail]

yes, his attack/special/sprint all has 2 sec cooldown cap
also its 1.3 with salvo, not 1.6

[wise swallow]

Hindsight

[zenith whale]

He has a boon that takes away the health bar

[opal pecan]

Exactly. Troll.

[shy moat]

at least that one gives you a decent chunk of health alongside it

For almost all builds the 5/55/555 is going to be a big damage reduction

and just throw away all the setup you'd done so far

[zenith whale]

Not if it's not an attack build

If you need it for prophecy, take during a charon run

[shy moat]

???

[opal pecan]

I still have zero memory of how I managed to fulfil that prophecy tbqh.

[zenith whale]

Is it not just the atack?

[shy moat]

wait it's only weapon strikes?

[zenith whale]

Im pretty sure its just the attack

[shy moat]

pretty sure it's all damage

[junior trail]

nah reckless in most cases tanks the damage by tons, even you have AQ and success rate on

[shy moat]

ah you are correct

[wise swallow]

Its attacks, not just attack.

[edgy nacelle]

it's just attacks yeah
also air quality triggers after it and makes it a lot better lol
I also don't super mind it on splash/scorch builds where my attack itself isn't a major damage source, esp since those builds often like zeus so AQ is easy enough to get

it's kind of a silly boon tho, so often it just flat out bricks your build lol. it's fun when it's not awful tho
also I think success rate affects it but not enough to save it from being bad

[wise swallow]

If i cross him after meeting demeter or hestia, i tend to take it

otherwise its a meme boon

[zenith whale]

50 attack damage on circle staff isn't horrible, and you should have zeus anyway

[bronze flax]

I guess Reckless is Aspect of Hel value

[opal pecan]

As befits the dead-drunk head-in-sand party boy!

[junior trail]

why not 55/555/5555

[shy moat]

...but why can't it crit???

[opal pecan]

Presumably because crit calculation occurs prior to Recklessification

[shy moat]

it's just weird that air quality works on it and crits don't

[opal pecan]

Does air quality apply before or after crits?

[shy moat]

better be after

[zenith whale]

Air quality is dead last

[opal pecan]

There ya go, that's why AQ works on it then.

[zenith whale]

If x<50, x=50 where x is damage

[shy moat]

I wasn't asking for the technical reason ><

[opal pecan]

Was it a rhetorical question or were you seeking a justification 😆

Cos I'm pretty sure the justification is just "because lol"

[edgy nacelle]

I mean, why can't air quality crit 🤷
they're both boons which are bad to take if you deal high enough damage (with stuff like crit) to get above 50 consistently

[shy moat]

There's absolutely nothing that says dio's boon has to calculate before air quality either, because it does a direct set of the damage after all the other calculations - they could have just as easily inserted it at the very end itself

It was a "How does this make sense from a game/description of the boon perspective?"

[wise swallow]

speaking of dionysus, found the sucker

[shy moat]

air quality attacks can crit then they get boosted up, Dio's boon isn't worded well to indicate they're hard-setting your damage ignoring all boosts and modifiers

[opal pecan]

IDK it was pretty clear to me

And then I simply refused to take it 🍷

[zenith whale]

I'll have to grab it during a cast build

[edgy nacelle]

as in, the 50 damage from air quality cannot crit. if something crits then it isn't being affected by air quality, air quality is just conditional whereas reckless abandon is permanent, but for damage they affect they work the same way.
also idk, I think it's fairly clear based on the wording, and if AQ applied before the dio boon that would also feel arbitrary, they both seem like they should go last in the formula
but also air quality is written as "you can never do less than 50 damage," and to me that's a pretty intuitive reason as to why it overrides reckless abandon

[wise swallow]

stumbling upon both apollo and ares Legendary's

[shy moat]

. if something crits then it isn't being affected by air quality
If something displays a crit then yes, but it could crit then be affected by air quality if its damage is very low

so air quality does not turn off crits

[shy moat]

but also air quality is written as "you can never do less than 50 damage,"
Dio's boon is also written as "Your attacks will deal 5/55/555 damage" and there's not actually an allowance in it for that conflict with air quality.

It should probably 50/50 it when that happens.

[edgy nacelle]

I disagree 🤷
I think "your attacks deal x" and "your attacks can't deal less than 50" has a pretty clear order of operations, and 50/50-ing it would be more confusing and make less sense
but what makes sense is subjective I guess

[shy moat]

They're both specifying an absolute, it's entirely arbitrary which one takes precedence 😛

[edgy nacelle]

🤷 it makes sense to me. agree to disagree

[shy moat]

No.

Because the real answer is: Whenever air quality kicks Dio damage up from 5 to 50, it should then tick up to 55 because it's not allowed to do less than 50 but also can only do 5/55/555

then both rules are satisfied

[spiral wadi]

unnecessary edge case

[shy moat]

the game's all about recognizing the edge cases, have you seen how much dialogue there is for all kinds of wacky things? 😛

[spiral wadi]

yea it is arbitrary and sgg made it so air quality procs last always

doesn't mean it's bad, it's just how it is

[shy moat]

just another missed detail, throw it in the pile

[edgy nacelle]

.....you don't need to agree to disagree with me, but that is what I'm doing
I understand your point but I am not going to be argued into agreeing. the system you described would also feel arbitrary and unintuitive to me, and I don't think SGG deciding to make AQ proc last is lack of polish/missing detail, they just decided to handle it a way that you don't personally like. as I've said, it makes sense to me

[shy moat]

When there's an easy solution that makes both boons valid, and another that leaves one breaking its rules, there's clearly a better solution.

[static badger]

is 16:02 fast for 20 fear?

anyways time for rivals 4

[viral yew]

I wouldn't call it an easy solution the damage calculations are complicated enough as is

[shy moat]

Conceptually easy 🙂

Sure, it might be impractical to actually implement, but from a "Boons as written" it's a much better solution than just going "Agree to disagree 50 damage overriding Dio is good"

Not like the discussion here was meant to lead to a change in game, nothing is gonna update from ... probably anything said here.

[edgy nacelle]

I mean as I said, the solution you described is genuinely less intuitive to me. I'm very happy to just agree to disagree, but idt it's an objective failing of the game, just a weird fringe case where different solutions make more sense to different people.
I'd just appreciate if you could also agree to disagree rather than insisting that what makes sense to you is clearly and objectively better when I say it would be less clear to me as a player 🤷

[shy moat]

also not sure how you think they're complex.

max((Base damage + bonus damage) * sum(% multipliers) * crit (1 or 3) * minicrit (1 or 2), fresh air(1, 50))

[edgy nacelle]

idt you're objectively wrong, but I don't think you're objectively right either, and would prefer not to have my own opinions framed as objectively wrong, is all

[viral yew]

It makes more sense to have it the way it is rather than force it so that air quality doesn't always work the way it should

[shy moat]

air quality simply says you can't do less than 50, there's no "the way it should" that says it shouldn't kick Dio's damage up from 5 to 55 to satisfy both

[viral yew]

This, to me, is complex, idk why you're putting it like this I'm a little stupid

[shy moat]

it's a super easy math formula for a computer to process 😛

[empty musk]

I'm so confused ab this argument bc Air Quality & Reckless Abandon both suck minus fringe cases 💀

[viral yew]

Last time I checked I wasn't a computer

[shy moat]

Last time I checked you weren't being asked to calculate the damages either >.>

[viral yew]

Air quality is good and I won't stand for the slander

[empty musk]

On gusts, support fire and reckless sure, on everything else . . . idk

[viral yew]

Static shock

[edgy nacelle]

it's at least good in its niche, whereas reckless abandon's niche is like.... comparatively miniscule lol

[viral yew]

I don't have to calculate it i'm saying it makes sense the way it is now rather than having different exceptions for fringe cases

[empty musk]

At least 100% bonus dmg on epic zero levels should get you to 50 anyways, but if we're talking common no levels sure (idk why'd you go to the effort of getting 5 air but sure)

[viral yew]

I don't normally have to try for 5 air

[empty musk]

Fair enough ig

[shy moat]

I keep taking air quality thinking it'll be great, then discovering it does basically nothing, yeah

[viral yew]

Depends on boons a lot

[junior trail]

if 50 is the first thing it calculates and not the last step aq would be goated

[viral yew]

Probably to stop it being overpowered

[edgy nacelle]

counterpoint: air quality is funny and I like it 😌
it's just fun lol, and my second most used infusion
zeus is good on so many builds that sometimes it'll be in the pool but useless, but for a lot of scorch/splash builds and ofc anything with demeter I get surprisingly much use out of it tbh
(scorch/splash not because it buffs those effects, but because I'm often using a weapon where the actual weapon damage can benefit, or throwing in static shock etc etc)

[long latch]

Hey guys, im just getting into hades 2 and just wanna know if yall have any tips. I've only beaten chronos on norm fear a few times and haven't beat typhoon? yet

[viral yew]

What weapon is your favourite

[shy moat]

would need a lot higher infusion requirement then

[long latch]

I likes the torches and the cloak

[viral yew]

Torches are probably better

[long latch]

Yea, I've had a lot easier time playing with the torches

[viral yew]

Coat is a hard weapon to play/build

[long latch]

I've noticed. I've only been playing for a few days now and it feels kinda like gauntlets in h1 but really different

[edgy nacelle]

torches also have a lot of fun synergy with boons that trigger when you use magick/omega moves, which is neat, since you do it so constantly

idk, I love torches, maybe my overall favorite weapon (altho staff is a close second)

[viral yew]

Coat my beloved

[long latch]

I still dont get the staff. I've tried several runs and it feels like it does very little damage. Idk if im playing or building wrong

[edgy nacelle]

have you unlocked aspects yet...? 👀

[long latch]

I need the materials for them, im trying to grind them out rn but I do have them

[flint widget]

wait until you've gotten max lvl mel staff and dual moonshot

[long latch]

Mel is max

[edgy nacelle]

staff just has a lot of good aspects, and once you unlock aspects you can also upgrade the basic staff too
it's a crazy good weapon, more than I expected it to be. it got the first max fear clear after 1.0

[flint widget]

oh

[long latch]

Circe and momus are only rank 1

[edgy nacelle]

circe is very very good, even at lv1
and for Mel you'll prob have success paying dash strike + special in a combo (you can input them at basically the same time)
zeus attack + a % boost on special is ideal, but even without that it's just... shockingly good when used well

[flint widget]

circe tbh is perfectly fine rank 1, it only lvls up the psychic leash damage anyway

like staff imo is the best weapon overall

doesn't have any ass aspects (except momus but that's only cuz sgg nerfed it)

[junior trail]

Staff’s pretty solid overall, you just need to get into that Attack → Special loop, and have a bit of supplemental damage (Blitz, Blast, Grievous Blow etc) to give it the extra push
Unless you’re running Mirrored, in which case you can just grab Cardio Gain and go full ooga booga mode

[neat phoenix]

Hi, I'm in the middle of a run and need some knowledge from smarter people to try and win this run, can I ask here?

[opal pecan]

Absolutely you can ask

[long latch]

What's mirrorred?

[opal pecan]

Mirrored Thrasher, probably, a possible Daedalus Hammer boon

[long latch]

Oooh ok

[neat phoenix]

Awesome, thank you!
Does anyone know if ||Selene's keepsake disables Fate's Whim from Hades/Persephone's trinket? The wiki,i just says that "Olympian keepsake that can cause that Olympian's boons to be gained" disable it, and Selene isn't Olympian, but does cause her Moon thing (which isn't a boon) to show up. ||
Very minor spoilers for first ending stuff, I guess

[flint widget]

nah she ain't an olympian

[neat phoenix]

So I'm safe swapping to her to keep my other stuff active?

[flint widget]

yep

[neat phoenix]

Incredible, thanks. This is my first Rivals 4 run and I'm sweating hard rn

[opal pecan]

Good luck!!!! That's a tough nut

[flint widget]

beat chronos/typhons ass will you

[neat phoenix]

Luckily Rivals Eris is really fun so even if Poly and Prometheus suck, it's still enjoyable getting this far

[flint widget]

is it gonna be ur first time fighting rivals typhon

[neat phoenix]

Yup

[flint widget]

ok well, all i have to say is this: get ready for ur ass to be beat

good luck man

[neat phoenix]

I never found Typhon particularly difficult, with Prometheus and his mini bosses always being far more challenging, so I'm looking forward to him actually being a pain now

[long latch]

What arcana cards do yall recommend? I have them all unlocked and grasp at max

[flint widget]

i never really found base prom to be difficult tbh

[neat phoenix]

It's that damn bird

[flint widget]

typhon is and always will be the harder boss for me personally

[neat phoenix]

I never see him coming then I lose 120 hp

[wise swallow]

Shiva enjoyer what are you favorite gods for the aspect?

[flint widget]

aetos is ez to dodge

[neat phoenix]

Typhon never moving makes him really easy for me as I just spam Selene abilities on his face and she just melts him

This is a Momus run, too, so I can just drop the turret somewhere and let that do most of the work

[viral yew]

Apollo, that's all you need (and smth else for origination) but my favourite is double apollo)

Hera is good for born gain and hitch

[neat phoenix]

This was only my second time against Rivals Prometheus and last time I had no damage so it dragged on, but this one was really fun. I was very disappointed my Selene power couldn't rez Heracles to my side, but still it is far more fun than Poison Poly

(hey, SuperGiant, if you're reading this, let me rez Heracles <3)

[tulip heath]

I think I like Anubis more than Circe lol

[neat phoenix]

Okay, I have 3 Death's Defiance and a Strength banked, I'm carrying Odysseus' Knucklebones and have one of the strongest builds I've had in a while, but also I have the summon Selene buff that doesn't do anything for the first third of the fight and am feeling cocky so just turned off God Mode. Wish me luck

[tulip heath]

I believe in you!

[neat phoenix]

||What do you mean there's a phase 2...||

||Phase 1 down with 58 HP and no DD's left. Then Chronos pulls that bs??? Somehow survived phase 2 hitless and Selene's summon finished it while I ran away like a coward.||
STILL COUNTS! Melinoe 1 - Typhon 0

[long latch]

Gj!

[neat phoenix]

Now to deal with Rivals Chronos and then I can happily hide behind God Mode again

[topaz jetty]

does snuffed candle work against VoR Surface?

[neat phoenix]

Is that the Hestia boon against isolated targets?

[topaz jetty]

Yes

I'm wondering if it's active, considering the changes

[neat phoenix]

I just had it on my run, and I think it helped?

[viral yew]

Dw chronos is worse

[neat phoenix]

||I swear if Typhon somehow shows up in that fight, I need to have words with Zeus about the whole "oh, he's clinging to my mountain all the time" schtick.||

[viral yew]

He doesn't dw

[neat phoenix]

I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but I can't see anywhere better:
I just got offered both Zeus' Legendary and Hera Duo boons. I don't have either so need both for the minor prophecies. Which should I take/which is harder to get again?

[viral yew]

Legendary is much harder to get

[neat phoenix]

ty ty

It just gave me the Hera side of the same duo. Sorry Legendary Zeus thing, but this is too funny to pass up

[long latch]

Oh. I see what you were saying about the staff. I got zues on attack, aphro on spec, pos on cast. And zues/pos duo. I just beat Kronos with it 0_0

[dreamy veldt]

Just looked at my damage taken stats for the run I just did and I think it's very silly

Oh I can't post a picture

[opal pecan]

You can post elsewhere and link here or post in #h2-victory-boasting

[dreamy veldt]

Have I never had image perms and just not noticed

[opal pecan]

Nobody does

[dreamy veldt]

Oh

Well my most damage taken in the run was from Polyphemus 💀

[opal pecan]

He's a rude boy.

I looked at the stats from my GCB clear and it turns out I literally took more damage from Rivals Cerb than normal Chronos

Is it my imagination or does Rivals Cerb (with zero Frenzy!) also just move/attack faster than normal Cerb

[dreamy veldt]

I love the hex that summons a dead enemy to fight for you it's so fun

And then I also had the duo boon that auto charms

[opal pecan]

Now all you need is the duo boon that does the same thing as the hex automatically

[dreamy veldt]

That's what I'm talking about

[peak urchin]

this is kinda weird but is there like a mod or something that lets me practice bosses? trying to get better at rivals chronos but getting to him takes like 20 minutes

[junior trail]

theres one but works a bit wonky and not updated since olympic era, save file backup might be the better option here

[peak urchin]

save state backup?

[digital juniper]

i’d say it’s because he has new patterns and attacks that can overlap compared to normal cerb. so i’d say it’s not your imagination no

[topaz jetty]

The Practise mod works fine. bit buggy but gets the job done. supports VoR. PonyMenu also works, doesn't seem to support VoR

[dreamy veldt]

Oh nvm I forgot about that one

[opal pecan]

I legitimately thought you said "that's what I'm talking about" just as a sort of approving comment LMAO

But yeah, there are two different Duo boons, Ecstatic Obsession which does the charm and Sun Worshiper which does the resurrect. Two slightly different mechanics actually.

[onyx ibex]

Sun Worshiper proccing on a Polyp vs Typhon in GCA is what saved my run

little buddy did 40k dmg that fight

[opal pecan]

MVP (most valuable polyp)

[shy moat]

wow great chaos above has taught me that dio's trinket is really bad in the rift

It just blew up a pre-first-selection fight. Like, three guys.

[digital juniper]

it’s notorious for doing that

[ripe wadi]

Question for moros torches, is it better to have a percentage based attack boon or something multi hit?

I usually do like Zeus special boon to keep activating blitz.

And then usually choose like Aphrodite or hera attack

[viral yew]

%damage

[spiral wadi]

i think moros is relatively flexible, i hear that poseidon atk is common

or at least usable lmao

[viral yew]

Zeus or hera on special

[viral yew]

Both are good

[signal coral]

moros is relatively flexible because as long as you dont run out of magick the aspect pumps out absurd damage

you can basically pick random boons, slap on born gain, and it will work

[ripe wadi]

Thanks guys!

[junior trail]

i like apol attack because bigger size to pop & exceptional (+pike), but yeah any % dmg is fine
special is zeus or hera

[ripe wadi]

Ooh true Apollo does prov booms way easier

[signal coral]

i think hera start is best for moros if you're forcing

[ripe wadi]

I love moros torches, they're so broken and I love seeing explosions

[signal coral]

so if things go well i usually end up with hera/zeus as my attack/special

[digital juniper]

and then you prime out chronos p3 and you get the big sad (definitely not speaking from experience)

[signal coral]

pick more magick

[ripe wadi]

Ngl I usually go hestia magick recovery

[digital juniper]

oh i know, just an unfortunate run that was lol

[ripe wadi]

Prolly not optimal tho 💀

[signal coral]

hestia is fine for base torches but it sort of restricts you from picking +magick cost boons

like with cardio gain and nothing else you will not run out of magick

but if you throw in fine line now you will run out of magick in longer encounters

[digital juniper]

nah unless you have crazy channel speed buffs or a lot of boons that make your omegas spend more magick, hestia with some rarity/poms is enough to upkeep moros

[signal coral]

i like hera start because torches have a pretty strong magick spam build and its hard to sustain that without born gain

plus fine line also happens to naturally slot in to the magick spam build

[ripe wadi]

I feel like born gain would run out fast

But I haven't been using it so I'll start testing it

[signal coral]

the important thing to note with born gain is that the magick it provides scales quadratically with your max magick

so you really, really want to increase your max magick when you are running born gain

[digital juniper]

born gain with a lot of max magick is practically infinite magick, especially if you get some rarity/levels on it

[ripe wadi]

Thanks guys 👌

[signal coral]

usually some combination of hecuba, silver wheel, and actually taking magick rewards gets you there

usually somewhere in the 200-300 range is enough for even very magick hungry builds

at that point you will end the fight before you prime out, even in long fights

[viral yew]

I need closer to 400 for a perfect Shiva build

[ripe wadi]

Honestly yeah that's true, especially with the damage moros does

[signal coral]

thats because shiva sux

[ripe wadi]

Starting a run rn!

[viral yew]

Nuh uh

[signal coral]

i will say im not quite sure how to play shiva
im currently trying to get sub 10 on every aspect and it feels like i struggle to deal damage quickly on that aspect

though could also just be bad rng

[viral yew]

I've done a sub 10 surface and sub 8 on shiva, it's definitely dooable

[signal coral]

im working my way through surface atm

currently most of my runs are around 9 min first try on the aspects I actually know how to play

but shiva was closer to 11

[viral yew]

It's mostly good ospecial placement, and knowing the oattack dash double tech well

[signal coral]

is it literally just dashing while releasing o-attack?

[viral yew]

Yeah you can get two hits on it which helps alot

[signal coral]

o

[viral yew]

As in 2 different enemies

[signal coral]

oh okay that makes more sense

i was gonna be shocked if you said i could hit the same enemy twice with it

tbh it feels awkward using omegas to room clear

[digital juniper]

Frei was just showing me that last night, alongside some other shiva tech, honestly pretty cool

[signal coral]

i just want to go punch things

[digital juniper]

the redirection tech is also neat

[viral yew]

It's an acquired taste

[viral yew]

Yeah it's got alot of cool things

[viral yew]

Redirection?

[digital juniper]

yeah, if your oattack lands close enough to an enemy, you can dash to any other direction so the attack kinda hits at a 90 degree angle

[viral yew]

Oh yeah I do that

[digital juniper]

yeah i’m pretty sure i just never had a run with shiva at all besides chaos trials so i have no clue about it

[viral yew]

You're missing out fr

[junior trail]

the only way i play shiva is wave strike+arterial+universal donor and just attack spam

[digital juniper]

i’m not a fan of its playstyle honestly, feels clunky to me

i’ll stick to my beloved nyx with exhaust riser and/or shimmering rockets going brrr

[signal coral]

coat sux

[viral yew]

Once you get into a rhythm it feels really nice but it's certainly not fast

[vital ledge]

light smite in the top 5 damage sources, OOPS! 👀
I mean.. ahem.. all acording to plan

[surreal hazel]

Heinous affront with light smite is comically good

[azure notch]

what do people think of Ygnium's aspects? They all seem pretty good to me but none of them stand out as the best.

[viral yew]

Moros is the best, then supay/eos/mel

[proper cloak]

I was just informed that you can purge the red onion for 150 gold which is... awfully funny. Idk if it's worthwhile

[signal coral]

all the torches are good

i do think moros is best but i have heard some hot takes from some people about eos being best at high fear

traditionally though most people think moros is best

[viral yew]

I hate eos at high fear but you can definitely play it really safe

[past salmon]

Eos is pretty strong at high fear imo

Like maybe best torch
It's only other contender being Moros lol

[vital ledge]

tried to get that one, but no luck (fates whim). even without, it does a lot for rivals scylla if you can't dodge properly hah.
the tentacles next to roxy were gone before I even got there.

[tall notch]

I can't decide if I like Moros or Eos more for high fear, both are so nice

[surreal hazel]

Mel is a slightly more adaptable but generally worse version of Moros

[tall notch]

Inverted spark stuff is the only appeal Mel torch has to me

[surreal hazel]

10% global crit is nothing to laugh at, but Moros is like detonating a series of cluster muitions over the level constantly

Also plays nicely against wards with all of the extra hits the explosions cause

[ripe wadi]

Bro how does prometheus's aoe move work? I swear ill dodge the first one and then idk the order of the next ones

[spiral wadi]

just get aphro spec +1 helix and win game

[spiral wadi]

which aoe move

[ripe wadi]

the one with the flames

the rows

[vital ledge]

saying it out loud can help remembering stuff. 12323 or so

[ripe wadi]

yeah but like when he telegraphs the second attack he just wont do that?

[digital juniper]

oh yeah? if it’s so good get a high fear clear with it huh ||/s||

[ripe wadi]

He doesnt do it in a strict order

[digital juniper]

they do go in the order that you’re shown the safe zones in

[ripe wadi]

damn then idk whats wrong with me I swear it isnt 123

its like 132

[digital juniper]

it’s different every time, that’s why saying it out loud helps

[surreal hazel]

Memorize safe lanes, not flame lanes

[ripe wadi]

huh ok gotcha

[digital juniper]

you can use 123, or top middle bottom

so if the safe zone is middle, top, bottom, you could either memorize it like that, or 213 (for example)

[spiral wadi]

i did that like a few days ago

[digital juniper]

that’s why the /s

[spiral wadi]

and i'll do it again

[digital juniper]

spec merchant smh

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/838979052072599575.gif?size=240&quality=lossless

[digital juniper]

if you ever find yourself in a pickle and forgot the order, you can stay at the leftmost edge of the arena (the side closer to the door you entered from) and either try to dash to the safe zone quickly, or dash through the flame as it’s approaching you

the hitbox on it is just the leading part of it

[ripe wadi]

just watched the boss fight again, nwo i get whatcha mean. I was watching for danger zones not safe zones. Thanks!

[digital juniper]

yep that can happen! now you know how to approach it

another small tip is that if there are 2 safe zones and one of them is the middle one (so the safe zones are top-middle or middle-bottom), memorizing the middle spot in most cases is easiest so that you don’t have to sprint through 2 zones to get to the next safe spot if that’s the case

[keen warren]

ok why is the posieden demeter duo boon so bad

[static badger]

my camera is worse

I'm finding myself at the same level I was before trying rivals

I guess it's time to bump up the fear

[junior trail]

the thing is the old natural selection was so goooodddd it felt like an insult when the current version showed up

like +3-4 pom lv for core boon or sth?

[static badger]

all this chat is teaching me is to not update my game

[surreal hazel]

+8 levels distributed amongst available core boons

so really +2 levels to attack, special and cast, and 1 to rush and gain

[junior trail]

its so sad natural selection died from ligma

[static badger]

so if I only have one slot filled?

[surreal hazel]

gets 8 levels

but that's not possible given the requirements for natural selection

[static badger]

dumb

[digital juniper]

the requirements for nat selection as a whole are kinda stupid

[surreal hazel]

they're a bit legacy from how it used to work

same with Brave Face

[static badger]

maybe it makes sense if you're jpommed

[junior trail]

it has strict prereq from how it op it was

[surreal hazel]

OG nat selection was great if you got it early

[static badger]

I'd rather sea star and one and two

hey does sea star work on triple pom room

[surreal hazel]

(Removed hearts, tonics and gold from the major room reward possibilities)

[junior trail]

yes

[surreal hazel]

Yep, can absolutely proc on that

it's anything that isn't a hammer or boon

Unless it was delivered by hermes, then you can't double it

I have no idea why this is the case

[digital juniper]

hermes and poseidon hate eachother confirmed??

[static badger]

because uw is the place to be

[junior trail]

travel deal i think

[static badger]

that's a super final boss boost

[surreal hazel]

No, I mean hermes shrine deliveries

if he delivers say, a centaur heart, Sea Star cannot double it

[static badger]

but double centaur can be doubled

[surreal hazel]

the room reward you get in ephyra? Sure

[static badger]

I milk that crap for water fitness too

[surreal hazel]

I guess the not-doubling thing is just applying the logic from charon's shop over, can't double them either

[digital juniper]

sea star is the best boon in the game solely for poseidon’s voice lines when he does double something

[static badger]

and another

[surreal hazel]

Fun fact here, you know narc's offering where he gives you two of each element? Those element drops can be sea-starred

[static badger]

I've done it

[surreal hazel]

great if you're going full-hera and she later offers her legendary

[static badger]

I had it on top of epic chaos elements

had like 12 of everything

[surreal hazel]

then she gives you all of the infusions that have thresholds that don't help you because oh come on!

[static badger]

I had so many duo boons last run

[digital juniper]

i love getting rallying cry when i cant activate it

[static badger]

air quality

Oop only got 4

[surreal hazel]

All together giving you self-healing, air quality, frosty veneer and rallying cry and you don't have enough earth and water

air quality activates, but you're using nergal

[static badger]

gotta fish

gotta mine

it stops the clock

[digital juniper]

nah atleast you’re 1 away so you can get it

the prereq for rallying cry is 4 earth iirc and you need 8 to activate it so it’s a decent chance you won’t hit that

[digital juniper]

the humble greatest gift of gaia:

[static badger]

time waits for no one: oh it's charon's shop go ahead

[surreal hazel]

then again, I did have the embryo give me Creation once and activated my rallying cry

[static badger]

until it takes it away

[digital juniper]

if you’re in a short enough biome you can keep it by switching at biome’s end

[split hull]

hey guys im wondering, i tried wands and swords already but i find them boring as hell, is the axe fun to play?

what special interactions do the swords have with attacks and such?

[static badger]

I've had it give me the same boon before too

I don't need more max magic

[primal socket]

axe is quite fun you really have to get into a rhythm though

[digital juniper]

what do you mean by the swords? do you mean ares’ boons?

[split hull]

weapons

[digital juniper]

ahh do you mean the small blades?

[static badger]

too many of them in this game

I mean there are a bunch of cool hammers for them

trick knives

whatever Artemis gives you

[junior trail]

i find axe cozy (?), like its powerful but in a boring way lol

have you tried using omega moves?

[split hull]

i havent unlocked it yet thats why im asking

ive tried swords in the home instance but the lack of range is not my forto

[static badger]

when in doubt pick zeus

[digital juniper]

you’ll be unlocking all weapons rather quickly, i’d suggest you try it out and see if you like it

it’s a slow-but-strong hitting weapon

[split hull]

i assume the swords are low strength fast attack right?

[digital juniper]

precisely that, yes

the axe has more range than the blades but it still is a melee weapon after all

[static badger]

fast weapons you can really crank the dps on

[split hull]

i lack in the dodging 😄

stuck at siren atm

[surreal hazel]

they're hard

[split hull]

any tips on the siren? its such a weird boss

[surreal hazel]

grow a third eye, watch all three of them

[primal socket]

oh i have. hold on i wrote an entire writeup for a friend ill go screenshot it

[open vine]

What swords??? Mel doesn’t have any swords aside from some Ares boons?
Staff, Daggers, Flames, Labrys (Axe works I guess), Skull, Coat… right?

[junior trail]

go for drummer first cuz her aoe gets annoying real fast

[split hull]

oh daggers

[surreal hazel]

or rather, beat down Roxy unless you're getting mobbed, in which case move away, Scylla is slow, roxy won't move at all, so you can lure Jetty over to you on her own and beat her up there

Roxy's AoE attacks are more spaced out when you're further away

[primal socket]

oh wait image perms don’t exist

[split hull]

i mtrying to figure out a good damages combo, even tho its large rng i already got a frost lightning combo which was great

[primal socket]

be careful w scylla since she doesn’t take damage from the back. and don’t be discouraged i genuinely think they might be the hardest boss

[surreal hazel]

each of the three bosses are actually pretty docile on their own, the danger is that they're all doing stuff at the same time

[primal socket]

especially just starting out i died to them like half a dozen times before finally beating them

[azure notch]

does anyone have any tips for dodging Charybdis' homing projectiles? I always get hit by like 12 of them no matter how I try to dodge them

[surreal hazel]

dodge through them

[static badger]

Dodge at the last second, attack from up and down and side to side so you're not staring at it

Dodge through it, etc etc

dodging through stuff is so powerful

[split hull]

alr thanks

[static badger]

np

[open vine]

Ah! Okay now I understand.
In that case yeah high speed low damage is the default setting for their Attacks, with range for Special — Omega attack, however, is dashing into a backstab, and omega special is just like H1’s Bow special. So they can synergize nicely with Blitz or Scorch.
(Also, the first aspect has backstab damage bonus if you’re missing the mirror’s big backstab bonus from H1)
The second aspect adds attack speed per rank and a defensive effect that has a cooldown but also gives you a whopping +50% crit chance for the next several strikes. I think it’s amazing paired with a crit focus - Raki, some Artemis boon, etc.
Third aspect is your remixed homing bow - it targets foes in your cast instead of your last attack’s target. I haven’t figured out how best to utilize it yet but I’m sure others have.
Hidden aspect I’ll leave to someone more experienced to discuss.

[split hull]

ive no idea what aspect is

i assume passive bonus?

[sinful marlin]

Can someone help me choose between these three combinations for 55 fear. Everything else is on max except for void

scars 3 + hordes 1
vs
scars 2 + hordes 3
vs
scars 2 + hordes 2 + pain 1

[surreal hazel]

Each weapon has 4 different "forms" that has a bonus and a slight shift in how the weapon behaves

you unlock and improve them as you progress the game

[rain wagon]

Definitely not Scars 3.
I personally find Hordes pretty free, though I know there's at least 1 person in this discord who thinks it's one of the worst vows.

[sinful marlin]

The timer is an issue with hordes 3 that's why I'm concerned

I'm left praying for skips

[rain wagon]

Pick up Fig Leaf after 1st boss if you're concerned about timer.

[digital juniper]

anyone who plays high fear would tell you it’s one of the worst 2 vows

when you have 60% more enemies doing double damage, enemies with armor who have fangs 2, have 30% more health with grit and 2 wards on them, all while being pressured on time, you realize why it’s that bad

it just compounds all other vows

[sinful marlin]

Time piece region 2 goes so hard ngl but fig leaf region 3 I might consider

[rain wagon]

I play on high fear, and don't find it that problematic.

I'd rather max out Hordes than go from 2 -> 3 Scars

[sinful marlin]

Hordes is like perfectly doable if you don't have grit or pain on, but grit enforced enemies + hordes 3 greatly increases time pressure

[digital juniper]

oh damn you in the 55+ range? nice

[rain wagon]

55 fear is relatively tame compared to 60+

[digital juniper]

well yeah, but that’s when you start taking the last 4 vows

[rain wagon]

Got multiple 62 clears, been doing some 65 on Morrigan but not sure if I want to punish myself further.

I'm at the point I consider 40-45 relaxing.

[digital juniper]

you’re genuinely the first actual high fear player who has said hordes is not problematic

which is where my skepticism came from at first

[rain wagon]

Oh, it's problematic, but I definitely take it before Scars 3, or Pain 2/3.

Pain 3 + Fangs 2 + Hordes 3 is rough.

[sinful marlin]

45 is not hard tbh, 55 requires you to actually dodge boss attacks lol

[rain wagon]

Especially underworld

[sinful marlin]

Assuming you have one of the op aspects like circe or medea on

[digital juniper]

yeah that’s what i told Doc in the speedcord, there’s the angle of max scars and max pain before going to grit and hordes, or the angle of keeping scars 2 while maxing all other vows, and then turning on scars 3

so i’m not disagreeing with you on that, was just taken aback on the hordes is rather free

[sinful marlin]

I guess I'll take scars 2 and see what I can do about the rest, maybe switch aspects, all my recent circe runs have been depressing

[stray notch]

Hey guys, I have a doubt. Do you play with mouse and keyboard or with a controller?
I was wondering what would be better for speed running and high fear runs, like what is the most efficient way to play

[rain wagon]

Both are perfectly viable.

[digital juniper]

you should play with what you’re comfortable with

there are both mnk and controller players at the highest levels of fear and speedrunning

[stray notch]

Is there a better controller to get?
I'm using an xbox controller and I feel the shape of the keys is not very comfortable at times

[digital juniper]

that would be mostly personal preference, maybe others could give you suggestions on what controllers they use

[keen warren]

guys any 999 damage build ideas with persephone and pom

[digital juniper]

i’m not sure what you mean by 999 damage, but if you can luck into heph blasts that’s pretty fun

[keen warren]

no like usually with a good build i deal like 300 damage

but like i mean level 9 boons on the off go, with persephone boost and pom boost levels

[edgy nacelle]

the only thing capped at 999 in hades is scorch
a lot of builds do like. multiple thousands of damage in a single hit 🤷 so I'm also confused by 999

aspect of persephone also has a pretty high chance to give you no bonus levels if you get bad rng, so I wouldn't aim for all lv9 boons, that's hard to pull off
heph blasts and blitz both benefit a lot from levels, so maybe run one of those if that's your goal

[keen warren]

im just like exaggerating for ease, i basically mean a lot of shreding damage

[edgy nacelle]

is your goal a lot of damage in one hit, benefitting a lot from high levels, or high constant dps but you don't care abt big vs small numbers? cause a LOT of builds do good damage

[keen warren]

a lot of damage in one hit

[edgy nacelle]

hm. then you probably want something with axe, shiva coat, maybe artemis daggers I guess for Ω attack
if you've unlocked hidden aspects shiva is very good at pumping out rly high single numbers

shiva (australian) hit an omega attack for 7k recently I know, which is a nice big number
shiva with weed killer, apollo legendary, the night arcana card, and full destructive stacks can do wonders. apollo/aphrodite attack, maybe hera

[devout quiver]

how does this game decide which olympian it gives you during a run. I havent played hades 1 in a while but i remember something about a max of like 4 olympians will be shown and you somehow manipulate it to get the olympian you want.

[edgy nacelle]

which gods you get offered is pretty much rng, and it's dynamically generated so if you restart the run it'll start the same but diverge as you make different choices
once you actually pick up a boon from a specific god, they're added to your pool of 4 and will keep showing up. until all 4 slots are full, doors can have any god at random
if you already have all 4 slots full and take a god keepsake, you can end up with a 5 or 6 god pool

generally if you want a specific build then you'd start with a god keepsake and use rerolls on doors to avoid gods you don't want, or just not take those doors to stop the god from entering your pool
if that all makes sense?

there are also some nights where the first encounter is scripted and can't be avoided, usually when you unlock + meet a new god for the first time

[devout quiver]

yeah that makes sense. but for example in a run i wanted aphrodite and apollo but heph and zeus kept showing up. I assumed if i just ignored heph and zeus aphrodite + apollo boons would appear more often but it didnt

[edgy nacelle]

it is very rng dependent tbh, you can start with apollo keepsake and only meet him once or twice if you have bad luck
the only thing you can fully control is a god showing up ASAP when you take their keepsake, and that once you have all four gods in your pool new ones will stop appearing

and just lots of rerolls 🤷

[devout quiver]

ahh damn rng...my greatest enemy

[stray notch]

where can I see my current dodge/crit chance?

[digital juniper]

you’d have to calculate it yourself by opening the boon menu and seeing how much % the respective boons are giving you

[junior trail]

no stats window sadly, there should've been one though

[junior trail]

workable with freezer for big number, but its duo so you need a bit of luck

[static badger]

killed chronos r4 again

is there any reward for doing all the rivals

[carmine palm]

Is it possible to get all 25 arcana active with Judgement aside from RNG Judgement from the figurine? Most I've managed is 24.

[static badger]

you can

the most cards you can start with is 7

[surreal hazel]

You can start with 7 arcana active

no wait, 6

[carmine palm]

7

[surreal hazel]

no it's 7

[carmine palm]

7+15+2=24

[surreal hazel]

yeah, Night, Lovers, Death

[stray notch]

Is there a guide for faith's whim? Or could you tell me what would be the best cards to pick?

[static badger]

and the draw from circe

[surreal hazel]

Queen, Judgement, Divinity and The Moon activate themselves

[static badger]

2 from the pig one if she offers it

[carmine palm]

?

[surreal hazel]

Circe herself can upgrade judgement

gives you another 2

[static badger]

ive had the upg before it's crazy

[surreal hazel]

it's not, thinking about it

you get +2 cards

woo

[carmine palm]

You overcap

[static badger]

every region

[surreal hazel]

excluding the first, Circe isn't there

and it's +1 card per region

[static badger]

well the other regions

[carmine palm]

7 (starting) + 15 (judgement) + 2 (figurine) = 24 total

+2 cards would be wasteful and depending on the card might not even matter

[surreal hazel]

Circe can give you two more

[static badger]

you gotta have the heart of the cards

[solid shore]

Not like it’s particularly useful to have every card anyway

[carmine palm]

I can't post a picture of my current build but all of first 2 columns and Origination and Huntress.

Thoughts?

[static badger]

the game's impossible without them, but too many is bad too

[junior trail]

are you practicing fates whim or sth?

[static badger]

regular Typhon is such a pushover

[carmine palm]

I don't know what either of those mean

[junior trail]

oh i assumed that seeing you're not using reroll cards
nvm misread

[carmine palm]

Reroll cards are within the first two columns?

[solid shore]

Columns ≠ rows

How exactly would one practice fates whim? It’s just the same thing as always except you don’t really get what you want guaranteed

[static badger]

Poseidon just will not give me water fitness

[carmine palm]

I mean I practically do if I'm understanding what it is correclty. I forget I have rerolls 99% of the time and usually end the run with all 10 still

[static badger]

I have 7 boons

[solid shore]

That’s crazy

[junior trail]

oh you mean this?
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzExIiwiYzEyIiwiYzEzIiwiYzE0IiwiYzE2IiwiYzE3IiwiYzIxIiwiYzIyIiwiYzI0Il0=

[static badger]

this site should be pinned

[carmine palm]

Yeah that's what I use as of rn

Thoughts?

[solid shore]

I prefer strength

[carmine palm]

Over what though?

[lunar silo]

outta curiosity, does anyone know if the Nyx aspect of the black coat can proc both Romantic Spark and Arc Flash at the same time since its technically both an omega and a dash?

[carmine palm]

Yes, I main the coat

[junior trail]

Romantic takes priority over arc flash in this case

[solid shore]

no death defiances with strength

[carmine palm]

Ooh good idea

[viral yew]

Yoooooo

[carmine palm]

[viral yew]

Based coat user

[primal phoenix]

Soooo how do you get Zag's keepsake ? Thought you had to beat him but I just did that and, well, he went back to the HoH so couldnt hand me anything 😔

[viral yew]

Gotta do it twice

[primal phoenix]

Oh alright thanks

[left dirge]

Hey how exactly are you supposed to use Xilinth? The punches dont feel fast enough, and the rockets dont feel like they do that much dmg?

Is it meant to be something where you put a bunch of damage increasing effects on someone with the rockets and then go in?

Like you Hitch a bunch of enemies with your charged special, then focus one down with fists?

Or is it better to commit to using fists or rockets as your primary damage output? Like put zeus on rockets and then focus on rocket spam

[viral yew]

Put blitz/hitch/freeze on special, put waves/scorch on attack

You can fire specials while attacking so you're basically stacking big wave/scorch damage while firing rockets for blitz procs/hitch damage and origination

[primal phoenix]

I almost exclusively use special builds on coats, with poseidon being the main G. The duo boon Pos/Ares is quite nice in that regard too

[severe vortex]

Need froth on waves for them to proc origination right?

[viral yew]

Yes

[viral yew]

Special/ospecial tend not to be as good as spamming everything

Or you can play shiva

[primal phoenix]

Yeah I can hear that, but I always felt less safe playing attacks on coat compared to other weapons, dunno why. Maybe I just need to learn it, but the special ospecial spam got me pretty far so I didnt bother haha

[flint widget]

coat specials with shimmering rockets is pretty damn cracked yeah

[primal phoenix]

shimmering rockets my beloved

[glass bone]

I think that Supay doesn’t need both of those buffs, due to Heat / Breaker Rush being really good already, especially with Gigaros Dash

Really the only problem is, you don’t get the hitstun without Gigaros Dash

[flint widget]

by both you mean rush bonus dmg and two specials i assume

[glass bone]

No. I mean back to 50% Rush bonus damage, and hitstun

[flint widget]

oh mb

i think u have a point

[glass bone]

If you can get hitstun on Omega moves (which demand Magick and Time spent), then that is good enough to not constantly reset for Gigaros Dash and Blitz or a good rush boon.

I wouldn’t even mind if they increased the magick of the Omega moves, or increased the channel time. Anything to bring back the hitstun, with a cost, is enough to put it in a good place for High Fear imo

[flint widget]

i see

[glass bone]

As it stands, I don’t think Supay is a bad aspect to clear 62 (unlike some others ||such as Selene||). As I said before, it feels like it has the same problems as Pan, or Nergal. The build it can setup is solid. But to get that run, it takes a lot of resets, and that makes it annoying to play.

[flint widget]

true

i can confirm

[woeful fern]

Hey, bit of an amateur here... I got Umbral Flames up to the 10% crit chance and I'm trying to run a crit build around it, but I'm struggling. Aretmis isn't consistent, and I don't see other boons that match really well. I also can't find a solid explanation of exactly what crits bonus off of- is it base or does it include the percentage increases?

[flint widget]

rephrase

[glass bone]

“How do I make a crit build / use the crit aspects? And how do crits work?”

Is my interpretation of that

[flint widget]

im not the right person to answer this question

u take it away dtb

[woeful fern]

Yes, sorry and thanks!

[glass bone]

You want to get boons that increase Base Power. But to be honest, there’s not really a whole bunch of crit stuff compared to other games such as Ember Knights (where relics do something on a crit). For Blades specifically, that base power comes from Wicked Onslaught, and Reaper Knives (Reaper Knives is better for Artemis for several reasons, TLDR is you get more chances to crit). Torches I don’t think have any base power hammers has Leaden Spark as a way to up the Base Power. Ares is a source of base power, but he’s not really strong compared to other options. Really what you want then outside of base power is big damage sources to just shoot it up as high as possible. Possibly Hitch / Hera, Blitz to be triggered by the crits, or Aphrodite if you are close enough.

As for the math itself… I can’t recall. I’ll go double check and see what I can find

[surreal hazel]

Leaden spark

[glass bone]

Ah. Thanks for the correction

[surreal hazel]

+10 power, annoying knockback effect

[uneven palm]

Just put whatever on attack/special. you’d slightly prefer big percents because of the crits but with Mel Flames anything is fine. You can’t rely on Artemis. If you wanna juice the crit rate you can run Night arcana to up the rate mostly for O specials.

I guess you could Slow Cooker it

[woeful fern]

This is really helpful!! Thanks!!!!

[glass bone]

Oh wow, I forgot about that one.

[uneven palm]

I mostly just enjoy occasional crits as a bonus on Mel Flames.

[static badger]

best weapon imo

[woeful fern]

So not as a focal point for the run?

[glass bone]

Sort of yeah. Mel Aspects are supposed to be fairly simple.

[uneven palm]

Yeah. It’s just a nice bonus. There’s not enough additional or reliable crit sources that you can really build around it.

[glass bone]

(Though in practice, some of the Mel aspects have some busted meta builds ||looking at you Mel Staff…||)

[rain wagon]

I think that's less about the aspect, and more the Staff's Hammers being insane.

[uneven palm]

If you wanna lean into it, more power and bigger +% boosts are how because those get you bigger crits, but Mel Flames honestly anything is fine

[surreal hazel]

mel crit is global, so oddly that makes Hexes just that bit nicer

particularly Lunar Ray

[glass bone]

No it 100% is the aspect itself (along with the base kit of staff with animation cancelling).

[flint widget]

wait doesnt it say attacks and specials crit for mel torches or am i tripping, is it global?

[uneven palm]

Yeah it’s not global

[surreal hazel]

I thought it was

[woeful fern]

Is there a specific printed definition somewhere? Showing the math?

[surreal hazel]

Rakiiiiiiii! You fooling me

[glass bone]

You only really need Dual Moonshot for some bad runs at UW 62, or for 62 Surface / above 62

[surreal hazel]

the maths of what?

[uneven palm]

Global crit would be insane

[rain wagon]

Dual Moonshot just straight up doubles your damage, so yeah...

[glass bone]

It does yes. But you don’t need it to make Mel Staff busted

[surreal hazel]

Shimmering Railgun moonshot

[glass bone]

Blitz Attack already is a big leap

[uneven palm]

Power adds base damage. All +% applicable are additive. Crits are x3 after all that.

[glass bone]

Idk if it’s right to advertise my video clear here, but I want to reshare this image cause of this comment: https://youtu.be/F1nCsbig6AY?si=RNSvru7opeQAIvNb

[surreal hazel]

Power is chips, +% is mult, Crits and DoubleDamage is Xmult #Balatrostyle

[flint widget]

peak thumbnail btw

[glass bone]

For this thumbnail, I had to choose which shotgun looked the best. Lot of great looking ones. Don’t ask me what that type is, idk

[signal coral]

I really like attack speed on torches because it feels funny to get the build

[surreal hazel]

Attack speed is interesting in how it affects omegas

[flint widget]

how do yall make em thumbnails, im too lazy to do it myself

[signal coral]

Only problem is that torches are so magick hungry and grisly gain is awful until you get the legendary

[surreal hazel]

Attack speed won't increase your mana hunger

(mostly)

[glass bone]

Using something like Photoshop

[flint widget]

im too broke to afford ps

[signal coral]

Its mostly that before you get giga attack speed and just hold down attack you want to play torches like a normal human being, which is magick hungry

[surreal hazel]

yeah that's fair

[signal coral]

So you probably want a normal gain boon, which means no grisly

[glass bone]

There are free editing softwares out there tho

[surreal hazel]

eh, 5 mana every 1.33 seconds isn't a lot

Fine line, yes, that is a thing

[signal coral]

I use gimp

Its definitely worse than ps but its free and unless you're a professional it should be able to do everything you need and more

[glass bone]

Yeah, this is a good option

[surreal hazel]

But yeah, omega speed can brick cardio gain on torches if you aren't matching it with attack speed

[glass bone]

The actual problem for me is that laziness to making thumbnails

I once again have like 5-7 62 fear clears in a backlog

And the thing that’s stopping me, is me not wanting make meme thumbnails

[flint widget]

6 to 7 you might even say

[glass bone]

Because this challenge is a joke /s

[signal coral]

I actually really like the time slow hex on torches if you can get the attack speed and crit chance nodes

It can be very funny if you press the hex button and just spam attack

[flint widget]

oh man i love ragebaiting chat

[glass bone]

And I love pretending to fall for ragebait, for some reason

[flint widget]

whoever made max fear 67 fear should be executed on the spot

whenever i mentioned max fear clears to my homies they keep saying 67 67 67

[glass bone]

Then it’s time to get new homies

/j

[flint widget]

nvm, they should be hanged, drawn, and quartered and literally every torture method known to mankind /j

[uncut owl]

since 67 has been beaten multiple times cant even have an excuse

[devout quiver]

does having more boons from an olympian reduce the chance of that olympian appearing?

[surreal hazel]

Oddly, no

[lime moth]

Nah, but if you somehow manage to get EVERY boon of them (I did LOL), when they do appear, they will offer coin

[surreal hazel]

well, they'll offer exchange boons before that point

[devout quiver]

never had that happen except with denial

[bronze flax]

I am officially old enough to not understand the youth's ™ sense of humor, hooray! 🧓

I have seen the 67 thing before and I'm glad to see I don't get it

[flint widget]

good

[slate trench]

What's the new high fear meta? I did a lot of 50F clears in EA before rivals but is the standard 62F now? That sounds a lot harder lol

[glass bone]

The standard is 62 Fear. But some players (like 4) have been trying 65 and 67.

The new meta is generally around 2 of the 3 new keepsakes; Jeweled Pom (being the most busted) and Time Piece (taken in Oceanus / Thessaly for Gold). Card can also be taken in first / second region, but is way less common.

As for arcana… any run with JPom or Piece will be forced to take our Rerolls, so arcana such as Huntress, Night, Artificer, and even Unseen or Excellence are way more available

[slate trench]

ok cool thanks, are DDs better now? I think I started almost every aspect for 50F with Strength and athena keepsake and relied a lot on delflect iframes to to survive without really healing, but I guess now its stronger to build around the fates whim stuff?

[glass bone]

Death is used a lot more still yes. There were some aspects that kind of needed Strength to clear Erebus / Olympus fast enough, but JPom for Erebus and Antler in Olympus is usually enough now

Also, the new best aspect in most people’s opinion is Mel Staff.

Yes, Medea is still super powerful, and yes, Circe is still very safe. But Mel Staff can work with almost any boons, and is much safer than Medea, and more powerful than Circe.

[mellow owl]

What’s the best rush boon? Just unlocked Supay, and I realised I never really thought about those

[slate trench]

I haven't played too much mel staff since it was reworked, do you just pray for double special and the giga charge hammers?

[flint widget]

breaker rush 100% for supay

overall its just blinding rush

[glass bone]

The answer for Supay is different than the answer for any other aspect

For most aspects, it’s Blinding Rush. For Supay, it’s torn between Breaker Rush and Heat Rush (also maybe Zeus’s? But I don’t like it). I prefer Heat Rush, and cleared UW 62 Supay with Heat Rush.

[flint widget]

good alternative for breaker rush is heat rush but it doesnt compare to how cracked breaker rush is

[bronze flax]

Nexus Rush is also pretty good with Supay now imo

[flint widget]

breaker rush is more consistent tho

[glass bone]

Here’s my thinking.
Breaker Rush will probably deal the most damage, but you have to dash every single time to get the wave open. And that could cause you to take damage.
Nexus Rush is probably better than either of Breaker Rush/ Heat Rush if you have Blitz, because you do want Hitch, but Nexus Rush doesn’t damage targets if they have been hitched already to my understanding.
Heat Rush on the other hand always gets its damage out while you are rushing around.

[static badger]

this is why I don't like supay very much

[glass bone]

^

[flint widget]

id say the only real problem with breaker rush is that it knocks enemies back so something like rapture ring helps with that problem

i dont mind that i have to dash every single time cuz i frames

[wise swallow]

anubis aspect is certainly interesting...

jsut unlocked this thing

[vernal oar]

Hey! I've noticed there seems to two wording, "Blitz"" & "Bolt" Does anyone know if the Double Strike boon also works with doubling the blitz dmg from Attacks & Speacials?

[surreal hazel]

Nexus Rush will win rooms on its own though

and jewelled pom on heretidary bane will make your hitch do like... 70%+ of the original damage so you can just nexus rush

[surreal hazel]

It does!

[flint widget]

yeah true but i have bias towards breaker rush so invalid argument /j

[surreal hazel]

only zeus thing it doesn't affect is Static Shock, and it is kinda meh with divine vengeance (it can only proc once)

[vernal oar]

Ohh wow that seems so powerfull with a Hermes boon to up the %! :D

[surreal hazel]

add a bit of king's ransom and you get to double dip

higher chances to double strike big damage blitzes

[vernal oar]

Hahahah

[primal phoenix]

Do we know what are the chances for the arena to spawn ? Zag never wants to show up for his second beating 😩

[surreal hazel]

40% but only in midshops

[vernal oar]

May I ask, what count's as Infused damage? @surreal hazel

For exmaple Tall Order

[surreal hazel]

ignore the word "infused", it just means +25% global bonus like any other +% modifier

[vernal oar]

Really, what do you mean? Even if I only apply 1 Boon curse? Or None at all (base weapon damage)?

Or is it only the Boon dmg it +?

[surreal hazel]

Any damage you do has a +25% modifier that stacks additively with any other +% modifier that damage would have

[primal phoenix]

Damn that's not a lot, but I shouldve seen him more... I'm really not lucky. Thanks for the info ! :)

[vernal oar]

Oh wow.. that is insane. Thanks for the info!

[surreal hazel]

You'll find it more noticable on things that don't get big +% bonuses elsewhere

[tawdry sonnet]

How does Seismic Servo work on a Heph boon that would normally be at 2 seconds? Mine is displaying as "1 Second" which I've never seen before, and I'm curious if that's actually accurate, or rounded, or what.

[surreal hazel]

1.49 seconds

It's truncated badly

Seismic servo divides recharge times by 1.35

Which you might note is.... Technically mathematical but inconsistent with other uses if the word "faster"

Think of it as ~25% less time to recharge blasts and/or flood gain

[vernal oar]

@surreal hazel You don't mind if I ask you another question?

I wondered if you knew if Final Bosses also counts as "Guardians" when mentioned in boons?

[surreal hazel]

Yes

[vernal oar]

Awesome!

[spiral wadi]

hades 2 is an indie 2025 game created by supergiant games

[surreal hazel]

For what little it matters

[steep galleon]

Does snuffed candle apply if there is only 1 enemy in the room?

[spiral wadi]

technically no effectively yes

it's actually trash, it has like 2500 units, compared to aphro's 430 units for nearby

and hecate's ghosts also count towards killing snuffed candle so rivals hecate just ignores it lmao

[cerulean panther]

Rapid Thrasher or Dual Moonshot on Circe? Toula and Storm Ring start.

[split igloo]

percentages stack additively in hades??

[cerulean panther]

Yup.

[opal pecan]

WDYM technically no effectively yes

[surreal hazel]

Rapid Thasher, go fo the thrasher trinity

[spiral wadi]

in the code itself the check for "nowhere near" is around 2500 units, which compared to aphro's 430 units is about 6 times more, meaning it's effectively so u can only do like +15% dmg on one enemy that u can easily kill without

[cerulean panther]

I bet Anvil Ring and Winner's Circle is sick.

With Circe especially, I've had the two above before.

[tall notch]

How about Clonos?

[opal pecan]

1. I see, that sucks and I'm very disappointed 😭
2. I don't understand how that was a technically no to the question of there only being one enemy in the room but maybe I misunderstood and you were answering a different question

People really be digging into the code and finding all sorts of stuff 😆

[surreal hazel]

Sorta

You get three strikes, but the spacing is still the same, you just get to start overlapping them

[spiral wadi]

when i say "technically" i just mean what the code is

like the code doesn't explicitly state "yea if only 1 enemy is on stage, buff dmg"

[opal pecan]

Ah, I see

[surreal hazel]

pretty sure you get scammed by things like phase 3 chronos visages being "an enemy" thus blocking snuffed candle

[opal pecan]

I'm so disappointed 😭 Fire auntie how could you do me like this

[surreal hazel]

getting a cast-off from Ares

so you know it's bad

[opal pecan]

SGG made Ares look cooler than his OG mythological counterpart so they had to compensate by making his boons less good 😂

[surreal hazel]

guy's multi-tasking too hard

[cerulean panther]

Yeah, he got nerfed from his appearance in H1.

[surreal hazel]

go look at how disney did him dirty in Hercules and feel bad for him

[cerulean panther]

It took Hades years to recover from his depiction in that movie.

[surreal hazel]

at least he wasn't 2ft tall

imagine the budget required to animate that movie with the supergiant character designs

[opal pecan]

Hot take but I think the Disney depiction of Ares was more accurate on a spiritual level

I cannot overstate how incredibly uncool he is as a god

[surreal hazel]

I dunno man, the overly polite and refined guy who treats violence and bloodshed like a fine wine to be savoured really captures how creepy he is being the god of war

like if there's any olympian who should be the antagonist to humanity, it's Him

[cerulean panther]

Hades Ares is incredibly unsettling.

[opal pecan]

Yeh but it doesn't capture "guy who got caught in flagrante delicto with Aphrodite by Hephaestus and had to bum around stuck in a net"

[cerulean panther]

I thought he'd end up a secret boss.

[surreal hazel]

Yeah well Chronos doesn't come across as "so dumb he'd eat a rock" either

Hephestus was a total jerk in the mythology too

[opal pecan]

Exactly. SGG kinda -- what's the youth slang -- they errr glazed up the gods?

[surreal hazel]

except Hera, who is honestly right on

[opal pecan]

Hestia was pretty chill (ironically)

But in some versions she wasn't an Olympian either

[surreal hazel]

practical and compromising but also manipulative and spiteful

[opal pecan]

We also got to see more of Athena's vindictive side in H2

Albeit not the full extent

[quick crescent]

i think ares being as palatable and personable as he is in hades makes for a great juxtaposition with his divine domain and some of the absolutely heinous things he suggests

[flint widget]

heinous? as in heinous affront my goat?

[opal pecan]

LMAO

[quick crescent]

also his armor with all the vulture motifs is genuinely sick as ell

[opal pecan]

Goat familiar when

I want to have a pet go around headbutting monsters

[surreal hazel]

He's pleasant to Mel and Zagreus because what they do amuses him

it's.... a bit like Chaos, but slightly more bloodthirsty in nature

[opal pecan]

I maintain that Chaos is True Neutral (ironically etc)

Ares... Neutral Evil perhaps

[quick crescent]

which tracks, seeing as ares venerates chaos and the cthonic moreso than his fellow olympians

[cerulean panther]

Rare Winner's Circle.

This is going to be one of my favorite runs yet.

[surreal hazel]

Rarity scarcely matters on that btw, don't be fooled

[cerulean panther]

It matters to me.

[quick crescent]

ooh what's the weapon

[cerulean panther]

Circe.

[flint widget]

called it

[opal pecan]

Winner's Circ[l]e

[surreal hazel]

the function multiplier is 0.5x for common, 044x, 0.4x, 0.36x

there's a bit of a difference on heroic versus common but eh

[quick crescent]

circe is so awesome

[surreal hazel]

Speaking of characters who get a little... glazed

[quick crescent]

i love kitting it out with as many cast add-ons as possible and just wrecking shop

prominence flare, meat grinder, tropical cyclone, super nova, mm mm mm

[opal pecan]

Super Nova on Circe seems fun. (With a proper base cast boon ofc)

[surreal hazel]

it's good

[quick crescent]

i think i landed my first topside rivals win with that

[surreal hazel]

You can even make Glorious Disaster good, maybe

[quick crescent]

storm and anvil ring are probably what i choose most often

[flint widget]

smolder ring as well my goat

[surreal hazel]

smolder doesn't doublestack with circe iirc

[opal pecan]

I know for a fact Glowing Coal is way up there for me as an "add on"

[quick crescent]

for a second more of channel time and bonkers more damage it's absolutely worth it, especially considering zeus and apollo are already great gods for cast

[surreal hazel]

without supporting boons it's absolute trash honestly

[flint widget]

still good tho

[surreal hazel]

but add in Air Quality, Supernova and Winner's Circle and now we talking

[quick crescent]

plus they both share air boons for infusions and such

[flint widget]

got me my first circe 62 so its my goat

[cerulean panther]

I would never take Glorious Disaster without Winner's Circle.

[surreal hazel]

well, use it, you can take it and hope

[quick crescent]

oh yeah absolutely- air quality on gales should frankly be considered a war crime

[opal pecan]

What's the funny one that makes you autofire cyclones while standing in gales

[flint widget]

tropical cyclone

[surreal hazel]

Tropical Cyclone

they don't get buffed by airquality

[flint widget]

that one with frigid rush supay is very very funny

[cerulean panther]

Oh yeah, this is bonkers.

I guess waiting 2 seconds for Toula to spawn is the price I pay.

[opal pecan]

As someone who's usually zipping around like a caffeinated wolf spider, I don't get much use out of Tropical Cyclone, but I do think it's a very funny accompaniment to gust casts

[cerulean panther]

I can deal.

[cerulean panther]

That's when you take it with Frigid Rush.

[opal pecan]

True!!

[surreal hazel]

the game doesn't tell you about the halved projectile speed in gales and that's one of its strongest features

[cerulean panther]

It does, in the tool-tip at least.

[surreal hazel]

who reads those eh?

[rare crypt]

I noticed if I don't take King's Ransom when offered I never get it offered again. Is that a thing for this particular boon or or duos in general or I've just been getting unlucky?

[opal pecan]

It absolutely tells you about the projectile slow of gales! I wasn't taking that stuff for the damage, that's for sure 😆

[surreal hazel]

That's just luck

[opal pecan]

If you keep replaying that one Chaos trial that gives you coat and the Hera keepsake on Olympus, you'll soon see it come up multiple times 😂

[austere trail]

unless you're using vow of denial, then it's just poor luck

[stray notch]

Is there anything better than nuckle bones for final guardians?

[austere trail]

Moros' pin if you're running Death

[hollow stag]

Are there better boons for maxed upgraded Mel Staff than Aphrodite?

[austere trail]

but otherwise I only pretty much use Knucklebones for the final bosses

[opal pecan]

I'm also a knucklebones fan 💪 But if knucklebones aren't available for Reasons ||like Odysseus' whole little questline||, if Evil Eye is set to the right boss I might take that?

I had a time when neither of those was available and someone recced Metallic Droplet... but it ended up running out before I got to the boss, because I hadn't leveled up MD lol

That'll teach me to heavily favor only a limited subset of keepsakes 😂

[stray notch]

Guys I'm at a point where I can reach final bosses with rivals 4 no problem but I cant defeat the 2 big guys... any tips?

[opal pecan]

Rivals 4?

[stray notch]

yes

[warped agate]

Ok but Discordant Bell sweep

[final sedge]

what do you think the best Circe staff build is?

[spiral wadi]

zeus cast is like extremely straightforward and free

there's also froth gust and stack more multi strike effects that can generate extremely funny amounts of damage

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1344137346148204676/1429701814319579146/SPOILER_Hades_II_-_2025-10-19_10-21-39_PM.mp4

i also had success rate

[ebon grove]

I like Zeus/Demmy cast on Circe, usually Zeus.

[austere trail]

I also love apollo's super nova, if you can get it

[final sedge]

Last circe run I had Epic flood ring with geyser spout and boosted by super nova and prominance flare, with demeters artic gale and local climate. was pretty good damage on cast.

I'm not sure I'm a fan of Zeus's gain requiring the pick up button to pick it up

[spiral wadi]

yeaa ocast circe is super fun

i wish ocast circe was more playable in high fear but stricter building + magick sucks ass to manage

[steep galleon]

In terms of increasing grit, would it be better to ease into it or bite the bullet and max it out immediately? Thoughts?

I'm at the point where pain, grit, scars 3 and void are the only ones left

And hordes 4, wards 2, timer 3 is already pushing me to my limits in Erebus

[glass bone]

I’d say you could add Pain and Scars 3.

[spiral wadi]

i think grit 2

[steep galleon]

Other than making it out in time in Erebus, scars 3 would be the biggest skill issue for me I think

[final sedge]

if I'm shooting for a certain hammer, what's a good way of "resetting" the run?

[opal pecan]

Did you unlock the incantation that allows you to reroll seeds yet?

[torpid rivet]

experimental hammer can give you an option you don't want, which will remove it from the pool when you do find a natural hammer, so you'll have a higher chance of getting the one you want

[stray notch]

Little help plis? :3

[steep galleon]

Practice is all you can do honestly

[tall notch]

in the case of Chronos, you might wanna focus the adds before you focus the boss. leaving any of his adds up can be deadly

[stray notch]

Is there a specific buuild that could help me out?

right now I do persephone with hephestus and I have a decent result untill the final bosses

[ripe wadi]

Best hammers for moros torches?

[torpid rivet]

faster attack omega imo

[ripe wadi]

And outside of that?

[torpid rivet]

dividing attack, faster attack, faster special is alright, power and knockback attacks

[ornate frost]

For Moros specifically I personally enjoy either faster special rotation and/or more special projectile (basically you want to proc the explosions more frequently/reliably)

But the others listed above, like faster oattack or dividing attack, are typically good on most/all of the flame aspects

[cerulean panther]

Longer Omega Special is also nice with Moros, but I'd say it's behind triple Specials.

[calm maple]

Does anyone know how Heat Rush and Tough Gain combine for taking burning damage? Could I just walk on lava/fire without taking damage? And would it regen magick?

[fierce sparrow]

does the arcana Night work with the charon axe combo with the omega special cuz it also proc omega cast

[cerulean panther]

No.

[fierce sparrow]

it doesn't work together, cuz heat rush make you create fire that is only damge to other npc

[cerulean panther]

You are not hurt by your own hazard left by Heat Rush.

[calm maple]

I understand that. I'm talking about stuff like oil slicks; stage hazards

[fierce sparrow]

ya you can

[cerulean panther]

I remember someone doing testing finding out that you cannot completely cancel damage through DR.

You can only evade damage.

But that's also human memory.

[fierce sparrow]

fr it more efficient for you to get the zeus and ares duo

[nova raven]

Does anyone else only get Hecate's total eclipse pattern? I get it all the time and it's so much more annoying that every other one

[fierce sparrow]

guys does Night work with charon axe

[nova raven]

No, you're not using your omega cast

[glass bone]

You can theoretically do OAttack -> OSpecial, but I don’t think then the OCast explosion would crit

[nova raven]

Isn't that too slow to do?
I struggle to find the time for even just an omega special

[calm maple]

That's actually good in this case: walk on an oil slick when you're low on mana to trade 150+MP for a single HP

[calm maple]

I think you're missing my point; I was talking about thr way that Heat Rush reduces any fire damage you take

[fierce sparrow]

it works, I think tough gain works on everything except dmg from nem and chaos

[undone kiln]

whihc god should i start with.. feel like doing omega attack staff

[wet pawn]

I feel like the default answer is zeus

[calm maple]

But it can't reduce it to zero dmg, right? Cuz Heat Rush reduces fire dmg to 1hp

So Tough Gain couldn't reduce it to zero

[sterile gull]

apollo for big aoe and possibly the legendary

[undone kiln]

i went for the familiar cast staff, and hephaestus to try for double bonks 😄

[stray notch]

Apollo Hephestus duo, how is it meant to be played?
If I have the enemy inside a cast will it keep getting daze applied or only once?

[lapis cape]

Is there a min heat people recommend for using the Hades keepsake and arcana?
I'm on EM 3 and seem to melt everyone without having any particularly good boons or abilities

[opal pecan]

What are you trying to achieve?

Like, everyone's gonna have a different comfort zone, so...

[lapis cape]

It's arbitrary but having enough fear for all three statues

[signal coral]

67

[ornate frost]

If you’re having such an easy time as is just go for the 32 with your current setup and we can help you make specific vow adjustments depending on what you found easy or difficult

But as is I don’t think there’s really a one-size-fits-all answer to such an open question

[signal coral]

(Its up to you, the new keepsakes are objectively quite powerful, play a fear level you find fun)

[ornate frost]

I do think the vows are generally self-explanatory though?

• if you’re blowing everything up too quickly, give them more EHP (grit and/or wards) or force yourself to think about pathing slightly more (return)
• if you just want rooms to last longer but don’t want them to necessarily feel tankier, summon more of them (hordes)
• if you feel your builds are too powerful, take things that limit them (debt, denial, forfeit, hubris kinda, etc.)
• if you’re only blowing through them by being reckless, make enemies more dangerous or mistakes more punishing (pain, scars, etc.)

[lapis cape]

Good to know. I've been hovering around 10 so maybe double to start

[ornate frost]

Like there are a lot of different paths you could take to challenge yourself, if that’s your goal, but it depends on what exactly you want to experience

[lapis cape]

Good point. I'll dig through them again and see what I can find

[opal pecan]

Also, if the arcana are making things too easy for you, you could take Void :)

[hollow stag]

What are good boons for upgraded Mel Staff with Aphrodite Special?

[ornate frost]

Rather than particular boons, you really want the Dual Moonshot hammer with Aphro special

[hollow stag]

What else with Dual Moonshot?

[ornate frost]

Otherwise some gods that might pair well with Aphro are:

• Zeus is always good because blitz is strong (and some air element synergy)
• Poseidon is also good for water synergy and also their duo esp if you don’t get dual shot

[hollow stag]

Poseidon and Aphrodite Duo helps a bit for end range of Dual Moon Shot.

[undone kiln]

if i use a keepsake to upgrade a rarity , it says the effect has expired for tonight, does that mean it doesnt spawn more of that gods boons?

or is it just the rarity thing thats gone?

[ornate frost]

If you don’t get dual moonshot but manage to get some other strong special-boosting hammers, aim Poseidon duo and then there are all manner of special builds you go lean into, including omega special builds (that have plenty of synergy with stuff like Apollo legendary, Hera’s Fine Line, Poseidon’s Ocean Swell, etc.)

[ornate frost]

They’re both gone.

Keepsakes guarantee the spawn one time (it can still spawn after that, but the rest will be rng not guaranteed) and also give you one upgrade use

[hollow stag]

What's more useful after Dual Moonshot? Rapid Moonshot or Shimmering Moonshot

[surreal hazel]

shimmering

[primal phoenix]

I hate that Eris can just... dissipate effects when she goes up flying. My scorch stacks..

[undone kiln]

i dont like the typhon boss...... too many stuff i cant dodge

i accidentally started sprinting away before he even attacked, and it hit me 😄

[clear crest]

hel's special, zeus vs ares?

[torpid rivet]

dodge into hits, always. If you dodge away you'll probably get hit by trailing hitboxes

[dire shell]

I don't know if that advice is appropriate, especially for Typhon

"dodge so you're not where the lingering hitbox will be" might be better?

but like, that head slam does not give a care if you're dodging away or into, does it?

[primal phoenix]

Would say zeus

[primal phoenix]

Yeah was thinking about the head slam as well, dodging into it is not safe. Away is nice if you have the timing tho

[dire shell]

the timing feels tight, I get it like 70% of the time but it's a LOT of damage when you mess up

[primal phoenix]

For Typhon Id say that the key is to know when to attack and when to back off, especially with melee builds, because it has times when he really sends A LOT your way, and if you're close to him you'll just hit it all (like the little tornados)

[primal phoenix]

Ikr ! I was doing chaos random high fear thing, did most of the fight without taking any damage, then I got hit by his second lightning (was dealing with his adds, forgot he did back and forth), then a head slam... it hurt.

[harsh blade]

quick question, does anyone know if plasma increases channel speed?

[rain wagon]

It does

[dapper nest]

Is there anything I can do to increase the likelihood of finding an infernal contract? Should I end run after region 2? Is there a difference between surface and underworld for it? Is there anything that affects the RNG?