h2-builds-and-combat

[bright viper]

who got the best boons

[rare crypt]

I'm partially addicted to Blitz, but that's also based on King's Ransom

[viral yew]

Zeus/hera

[bright viper]

fine line seems kind of bad

[viral yew]

Depends on the build

[signal coral]

The more I play the game the more I realize that every aspect is exactly the same

You see Zeus you win

[viral yew]

Real

And/or hera

[signal coral]

Honestly I think Zeus is noticeably better than hera

Which is saying a lot since hera is already quite good

[viral yew]

Depends on what i'm doing in a run

[forest hinge]

what are good boons for Pan-Daggers? I usually Poseidon specials, but idk the aspect just feels weak

[bright viper]

ive herad its quite bad

[forest hinge]

yeahhh, the concept is neat, but its just worse daggers

[viral yew]

@flint widget

[viral yew]

You can make it really good with enough pos boons but unless you have trick knives it's not really worth

[opal crane]

sorry was tired and grumpy and kinda rude. took a nap and feel better and ready to try again

thx for help

[warm latch]

so im finally up to like nightmare 8-12 ish on a few weapons which means I've gotten few aspects to level 5.... i just went from not ever using Eos to full Max Eos.... All i have for Dmg is Epic Apollo boon on attack, im on like encounter 3-4. ( and im pretty sure it was a crit from Raki) but i literally saw a 1k go off from Omega Special ----> attack-hold so maybe Omega as well.

What is this I just discovered how to Medea yesterday, and now i Stumble across this Witchcraft/ Sorcery

I still got like a bunch of aspects i havn't even tried yet, im kinda excited lol

[bright viper]

this is true

[lavish flare]

Is there a list of all sources of crit damage in this game? Like the antlers, Artemis boon, etc

[opal pecan]

Hrum... did I simply luck out or is Demeter/Zeus Moros just a super safe build

[rugged moon]

Dem zues anything is super safe

[viral yew]

Artemis, Antler, Artemis, Night

[rugged moon]

Mel torches, Raki

[viral yew]

That too

[lavish flare]

aspect of Artemis as well

[zealous crane]

That one axe

[rugged moon]

Also uh… the hex

Phase shift i think

[opal pecan]

Thanatos?

[zealous crane]

Yeah

Love that one

[zealous crane]

Oh wow right

That little epic thing at the end

[opal pecan]

Having hit the end screen: apparently I took less than sixty damage total lmao. If only you could meet Arachne on the Surface, I'd still have my dress!

[wind lake]

how do you use the pan aspect special build

i remember it being pretty good but it seems to be struggling alot now

[cerulean panther]

Get Trick Knives.

[wind lake]

even with aphrodite 200% damage

and i rarely have time to setup the cast

so id be better off with mel aspect anyway for crit

[viral yew]

Pos special

[cerulean panther]

They took a PVC pipe to Pan's ankles. It now requires Mel to stay still until the entire Omega Special has been fired, pretty drastically reducing survivability.

[wind lake]

yeah

relearning builds from the first month or so of the beta is rough

so much has changed

[cerulean panther]

Yup.

[wind lake]

im about to pass my nights played in the beta

made a seperate file for it, on night 51 now and the beta had 57 nights

[viral yew]

Not even pcv it was solid titanium

[wind lake]

XD

[viral yew]

Rookie numbers

[wind lake]

i basically full completed the beta minus friendship with everyone

[cerulean panther]

Nah, they undid the 9- and tire-irons they took to Pan's ankles, Wave Flourish does actually work correctly now.

[wind lake]

and stopped and waited for full release

was before post-eris content

wave flourish, thats pos right

[cerulean panther]

Yup.

[wind lake]

actuall ill ask about my arcana setup for some opinions

[cerulean panther]

4 months ago when The Unseen Update dropped Wave Strike and Flourish received huge nerfs that were slowly reverted by the time 1.0 hit.

But Pan nailing Mel's feet to the ground or not working is now in the game to stay.

[wind lake]

ah cant send images in here

how do you share your arcana setup

[bright viper]

trick knives is so nuts

[wind lake]

trick knives is the omega return for your special right

[bright viper]

hot take i think they should get rid of all the hammers that just speed up ur attack/special thos are so bad

[cerulean panther]

3 knives on Dash-Strike.

[bright viper]

when u dash attack u fire 3 specials

[wind lake]

ah

[bright viper]

its so strong

[wind lake]

is it?

[bright viper]

ye

[wind lake]

ive taken it a couple times and havent felt its presence

not on a special build tho

[cerulean panther]

It's got one of two (three?) max Fear clears.

Possibly the single-biggest Hammer glow-up across two games.

[wind lake]

mm

[bright viper]

the thing is that it procs both ur attack boon and special boon in the same attack and also just multiples ur damage by like 4 or something

[wind lake]

damn

but yeah about the speedup hammers, isnt it just a free % increase since you attack faster?

faster attack is one of my favorite hammers when i have to use axe because it almost makes it usable for me

[bright viper]

it never rly feels like its doing anything

[wind lake]

i dont notice it too much on something like knives but i can really feel it in the axe

[cerulean panther]

It's worth noting that any Hammers that say "Attacks" or "Specials" on those speed-ups translates to faster Omega channel speed.

[wind lake]

once got hermes speedup and hammer speedup on thanatos axe, was very fast.

dps still sucked though, but i had like no good build

yeah

[bright viper]

thanatos axe feels worse for me than in the beta or maybe just everythings else is better

[cerulean panther]

The skull Hammer that increases Specials speed by 35 or 50% is also faster Omega Special channeling.

[opal pecan]

Oh does it? That's handy.

[cerulean panther]

You still get the faster base motion, but "+% speed" on Omegas is faster channeling.

[wind lake]

im just really bad with slow weapons

[cerulean panther]

I think Than Axe is the strongest it's ever been right now in it current incarnation.

[opal pecan]

It's hard to course-correct when you screw up your positioning or whatever, on a slow weapon.

[wind lake]

ye

[cerulean panther]

It had some different effects earlier in EA that I don't remember, but the crit % and Attack speed-up both got buffed in the last update/in 1.0.

[wind lake]

i have thirst on axe rn what boons should i go for im gonna try out charon axe because people said it was fun

never done a cast build

i have maxed it out

i have like 40 fear sitting around

[cerulean panther]

Apollo Gain, get Poseidon in there for Geyser Spout, his Omega Cast boon. Tidal Ring also works but Geyser Spout is more important.

You spend most of the run spamming Omega Specials for range and if anything gets close (or you get close to a boss) Cast damage gets mixed in for big numbers.

[wind lake]

i should probably swap out faster sprint for the impervious cast arcana too huh

[cerulean panther]

Nah, enemy pass-through is super important.

[wind lake]

yeah

where would i share my arcana setup

[cerulean panther]

You can take Demeter for safety via Arctic Ring or Arctic Gale, or run Eternity for a little more safety.

You can post it in another server and then copy the image link and post it here.

[wind lake]

wait is there no boon lookup in this game?

D:

[bright viper]

there is u just cant use it when selecting a boon for some reason

[cerulean panther]

Not other Olympians, just the one you're seeing that moment.

[wind lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1395520747879010315/1428496053912469515/image.png?ex=68f2b61f&is=68f1649f&hm=188301ef4606a59f121a453584e46f67281207ead54517f5371716eb4ee073c4&

im wondering if i should let go of all the rerolls

i like spamming them

[cerulean panther]

The reroll corner is only made obsolete with postgame Keepsakes.

Otherwise you want those 10 rerolls.

[wind lake]

ah the fates whim ones?

i have all three i think

[tall notch]

You'd pretty much be at the fates' whim if you got rid of your rerolls...

[cerulean panther]

The "standard" Arcana set-up is what you have minus Wayward Son, Huntress, and Night, and replace them with Origination.

[rare crypt]

what's the best (fastest clears) black coat Aspect? more or less

[wind lake]

oh really?

huntress is just free dps though right

or is there smth im missing

[cerulean panther]

Eh, not necessarily.

It's only your base Attack and Special.

[wind lake]

mm

[cerulean panther]

So Charon will be getting very very little out of it.

[wind lake]

fair

ive mostly only been doing base attacks/specials builds

so that checks

ah ok i see that build. losing wayward is pretty rough though

[opal pecan]

According to the SR leaderboards, Melinoe apparently, which makes sense enough

[wind lake]

although ive never been too strapped for health

[opal pecan]

Someone also did register a Selene UW run which is only a bit faster than my casual PB 🤔 so maybe also try Selene?

[wind lake]

but yeah really sucks you cant just see the olympians boons in your codex like hades

[cerulean panther]

You can. Check the Olympian page, there should be a tooltip to see the boons.

[wind lake]

i dont seem to have it one sec

[cerulean panther]

I think it's I on PC by default.

[opal pecan]

IIRC seeing the full list of boons for each in the Codex is locked behind an incantation

[wind lake]

yeah i think so as well

i swear my incantations are bugged

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1395520747879010315/1428497607633928303/20E3331.JPG?ex=68f2b791&is=68f16611&hm=f5c59fc7b5ffffa0b398a87dbef30a29685fa4a3e1918885df59643815915ecb&

ive got every incantation i can do atp and have almost gotten the 2nd fear statue but no boon list

[austere trail]

try gifting at least some of the olympians two nectar each?

[cerulean panther]

I want to say keep gifting Nectar?

Sorry, it's been a long time since I unlocked that.

[wind lake]

good idea

i have most of the crossroads max friendship because i only gifted the olympians i cared about

[opal pecan]

I did too for the longest while, but some of the Crossroads folks were taking so damn long that I ended up gifting Olympians stuff anyway just to have something to do lmao

[rare crypt]

Pretty sure it's literally one Nectar each (Olympian) for that Incantation

[wind lake]

real

i was always out of nectar

[rare crypt]

I'm opening a Nectar shop at the rate I'm getting it.

[wind lake]

i got the brewing recipe a few nights ago so i can finally dole it out to everyone i see

wow i just got epic lethal snare on my first time doing a charon build

the game is handing me this one

[tawny python]

what the best boons for aspect of medea

[glass bone]

Hera Attack, Zeus Special

[wind lake]

vow of rivals scylla is definitely second hardest boss in the game

how are you supposed to dodge those projectiles from the big guy

they are super small and they are randomly scattered around the arena

the fight is basically me getting constantly hit by them dodging a different attack

[signal coral]

That fight unfortunately requires you to be smart which is hard

[wind lake]

[signal coral]

Most enemies you can just sight read and dodge whenever they do something that looks mildly threatening

[wind lake]

im talking about the small balls that explode and home in on you

[signal coral]

But rivals sirens requires you to actually be smart with positioning and targeting order

[wind lake]

the enemies attacks are easy

[signal coral]

To create safe spaces to dodge

[hollow stag]

For Spin to Win Axe with Apollo Attack (aiming for his Legendary), who's a better God? Zeus or Aphrodite

[signal coral]

And even then you need to still react to the attacks

[wind lake]

the fact they explode twice is kinda wack, i just cant figure out how they work

[signal coral]

Just wait for the ball to explode and dash inside it?

[wind lake]

im basically on i frames the whole fight from them

[signal coral]

When the big ball explodes it sends out a circle of smaller bullets

[wind lake]

yeah

[signal coral]

You can dash past that wave

[wind lake]

seems like half the time i dash through them the little projectile hits me, or theres more just off screen and i get caught by the blast

[signal coral]

In general sirens is about managing positioning and target order so that you dont have to dodge too much at once

If you are not smart some patterns are pretty much impossible to dodge

[robust rapids]

What’s the best boons for eos?

[signal coral]

Boated has a pretty good guide on his yt channel for rivals sirens

[wind lake]

i see

[signal coral]

Also keep in mind that only empty dash has iframes

If you press any other button during dash (such as attack) you will cancel the remaining iframes on your dash and open yourself to getting hit

[wind lake]

intersting

[split igloo]

dash has i frames??

[split igloo]

does blades omega attack have i frames?

[cerulean panther]

I think during the teleport and only during the teleport.

[uneven palm]

Yeah during the teleport you’re immune, so you can zorp through projectiles or shockwaves or whatever

[azure notch]

does blackened fleece/weed killer work with Supay? Or does the "omega attack" effect only refer to the first hit of the omega?

[uneven palm]

It does but you’re adding +40% additive to like 20 base power moves

[split igloo]

does it not stack with boons?

[trail fern]

Hey all, quick sanity check but how does blitz work? I've got the Zeus special and it's saying it inflicts blitz with 190 damage (heroic), but the tool tip then says that blitz is a curse that activates after they take 120 damage or after 4 second. Does this mean the special itself doesn't do any extra damage, but after 120 damage or 4s, they take 190 damage? Hence why it's so good with medea because they can stack very easily to do the damage?

[cerulean panther]

That is exactly correct.

[trail fern]

Sweet, I thought as much but just wanted to be sure! Thanks!

[digital juniper]

blitz is very good on almost every weapon and aspect, it’s one of the strongest curses in the game

[split igloo]

can you stack blitz?

[viral yew]

No

[split igloo]

i dont see how it would be that strong then icl

as opposed to just like aphrodite or something

i might be dumb tho

[uneven palm]

It’s another damage source so you double-dip on global damage boosts (those boost your weapon hits and blitz) and it scales harder than almost anything else

[uneven palm]

Fleece will only be boosting weapon strikes, not add-on effects

[junior dome]

say your attack does 60

aphrodite epic is +140%, +84 per attack

zeus epic is 200 blitz every 120 damage, so +200 per 3 attacks, which is almost as much (an attack that triggers blitz can't also apply blitz)

but blitz will proc more often if you have other sources causing damage

and blitz will benefit more from +% effects

I've definitely noticed blitz gets absurd towards the end of a run, because you have other effects in play causing damage (lightning bolts, casts, burn, etc) and suddenly your weapon that was proccing blitz every 3 or 4 attacks at the start of the run is applying it almost every attack by the end

[uneven palm]

Yeah Blitz is a slow start a lot of the time but with like a second damage boon you’re cruising

And by end run you should be doing 120 damage basically instantly

[junior dome]

it certainly synergized well with burn when i had it

[opal pecan]

Hm... maybe I've been unfair on it in forming an impression too early on.

Just an impatient goober here 😆

[split igloo]

okay yeah makes a lotta sense

i religiously run artemis though so i definitely benefit less from it though

gotta stack 500 different % buffs onto my omega attack until it does like 10k damage

[uneven palm]

A high crit rate is one of the times that huge percentage boosts will outdamage flat damage yeah

[edgy nacelle]

at least with stuff like lethal snare/night yeah
if it’s universal crit like white antler (or the mini crits from ares) then I believe blitz can crit too tho

[uneven palm]

Yeah Blitz can crit with Antler, Pressure Points, or there’s a Phase Shift node that gives you a global crit rate

[split igloo]

antler is my beloved

who needs health anyway

[forest hinge]

i always do Antler on the final region UNLESS im fighting the Rivalled version of Chronos/Typhon, im not THAT confident yet

[sinful pendant]

How much brainrot can I rattle off in regards to how combat can feel mildly predictable for some bosses

Like at what point does it kinda cap out at just hogging and spamming their backside and dodging every now and then

[obtuse willow]

So.. is aspect of supay basically just made for Zeus?

[rugged moon]

Hestia

[eager lion]

Did Shiva get nerfed or something? It feels like it barely does damage

At least on the omega attacks

[edgy nacelle]

on-hit effects are good in general—zeus, hestia, poseidon
sprint related stuff is good too. so, boons from all three of them, nexus rush from hera (bad for bossing but great for room clear), ig ares dash but I find it awkward, the aphrodite zeus duo is great, beach ball... etc

[edgy nacelle]

not as far as I know...? probably a boon set up or gameplay thing, like a less powerful attack boon or lower stacks of destruction, idt it's been changed recently

[eager lion]

Hm, ok

I was doing great with it for the most part, I was just expecting more from my omega attack

hit 1000 or 2000 damage but I couldn't one hit bosses or anything

[obtuse willow]

Hestia and poseidons rush boons are kinda just.. okay compared to Zeus lol. I was thinking Hera might be fun too but I’m just trying to make this as viable as the other aspects

[primal phoenix]

Wastn there a boon where you damage enemies whenever you gain mana ? Cant remember the god or conditions

[edgy nacelle]

poseidon's is awkward to use imo but has very high damage potential and a bit more AoE than zeus, + opens up beach ball which is nice.
but also tbh Supay is no longer really the "dash damage is the most important thing" aspect. on release it had like +75% rush boon damage or something crazy, but that got nerfed a ton.
in general imo you want to take advantage of the free auto specials and attacks, which often end up doing more total damage than the rush boon itself

[edgy nacelle]

hestia + hera duo boon, idr the name I rarely use it. incandescent aura maybe...?

[primal phoenix]

Oh great i'm using both for my current run. Thanks a lot !

[obtuse willow]

But like.. I could just do those more with any other aspect, so I wanted to focus on the rush boons 😭

[junior dome]

hecate rivals got like 3x easier when i realized how that damned frog works

[neon crown]

you can also run from the thing until its gone, bit harder though

[edgy nacelle]

I think Supay is a bit more effective (edit: than the other torches) at applying rapid on hit effects like that, + it lets you deal rush boons while doing that.
you can make sprint damage only work, it's just less effective post nerfs, and imo the strength of the weapon is combining constant sprint damage with constant specials and attacks, idk

[primal phoenix]

Im not getting rid of Frinos in part because of that fight

[obtuse willow]

That makes sense Malkin, thanks. I’ll play around more. I wish there were more decent rush boons though

[edgy nacelle]

Same... altho tbh if you want to do rush only then zeus sprint + double strike into king's ransom (and optionally pom pom pom from echo) is 100% the way, that damage can go absolutely crazy
just kind of niche to set up
high rarity nexus rush can also oneshot pretty much every non-armored non-boss enemy in erebus lol which is fun, it just falls off hard against bosses since the damage per target is on a cooldown

[junior dome]

i could manage it in the base fight but the triple one in rivals was just too much

i appreciate that they have a dialogue line from hecate specifically for when your frog eats that thing

[wind lake]

i just let it curse me if i dont have a way to get rid of it

since its easy to dodge the witches attacks anywho

[signal coral]

here is my hades 2 build advice
every aspect is the same
you see zeus
you take zeus
you win the run

[viral yew]

It got buffed

[gray raft]

Do the Chaos trials bias towards weapons you don't use as much? That wouldn't be an altogether bad design decision but I'm curious if this is pure coincidence

[viral yew]

Like the random ones?

[gray raft]

Yeah, like the last 4 you unlock

[viral yew]

Not that i'm aware of

[gray raft]

I've gotten Supay on 3 out of my last 4 runs which made me think it might be trying to get me to branch out

And before that Nyx and Anubis are ones I haven't gotten to either

Nothing against them there's just a lot to choose from and those have been gathering dust

[primal phoenix]

You mispelled the goat hestia

[obtuse willow]

Do you mean for the bones?

[gray raft]

No, the 4 trials, Great Chaos Above, Great Chaos Below, Chaos Above, Chaos below. They assign you a random weapon and it keeps cycling through the few I haven't given too much attention to

[opal pecan]

Tried to do a Supay run and didn't any dash boons the entire first zone 😩

[bright viper]

how do u artemis knives

[obtuse willow]

Stabby stabby kill kill

[spiral wadi]

aphro special trick knives + parry = kill

[bright viper]

woaw

what if i dont get trick knives is run dead

[cerulean panther]

I'm more into Sweeping Ambush or Wicked Onslaught.

[junior trail]

#h2-build-and-combo in a nutshell:

Q: Hey, X looks kinda bad… it doesn’t really do anything?
A: You just don’t know how to use it

[static badger]

can I use the pom and then Athena?

[nocturne inlet]

Zeus and Athena carrying my game so bad

[junior trail]

gorgon disables fates whim, so you need to make sure your build is solid enough before taking it

[tawny python]

what the focus in level? zeus?

[static badger]

i mean will I lose everything

[tawny python]

what the best build using aspect of medea

[uneven palm]

It’s pretty flexible. I’ve used it successfully a buncha different ways https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide#aspect-of-artemis-blades

[junior trail]

just lose the fates whim keepsakes benefits after using gorgon, pom (+4 lv.), card (rarify), rolex (purge)
your boons are still intact

[uneven palm]

Zeus special, go from there

[tawny python]

have aspect of medea?

[uneven palm]

All aspects yup. Here’s Medea https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide#aspect-of-medea-skull

[junior trail]

man imagine the upgraded version of fetching array is fast enough to remove wide grin icd, thatd be wild for medea

[static badger]

wow 32 fear is so slow

I feel like I'm barely making a dent

[opal pecan]

Question: is there any way to preview a Chaos trial's specs in-game before starting it, or is it a look it up on a wiki thing

[static badger]

it takes me too long to do any timer

[shy moat]

you need frenzy for the harder timers, because it makes enemies spawn faster (As well as speeding up their attacks)

[vital ledge]

hordes/grit and wards make everything slow yep. might want to avoid some of those to make it faster

[static badger]

I don't mind hordes but wards is so rough

I've survived triple pain but I probably wouldn't be able to with a bunch of other vows

[uneven palm]

Could do something like this without hordes. Time 3 isn’t terrible if you’re not taking pacts that make everything take longer https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDAsMCwzLDIsNSwyLDAsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsOF0=

[azure notch]

how do people rank the skull aspects?

[uneven palm]

Medea >>>>

[viral yew]

Medea is good the rest are ok

By several orders of magnitude

[junior trail]

meta: medea >>>>> | | >>> mel > mom > hel

imo: mel > medea > mom >>>> hel

[alpine eagle]

I think Persephone is pretty fun

[shy moat]

but for fun: hel >>> mom >>> medea >>> mel

[sinful pendant]

reflective of my playstyle/approach to this game but isnt projectile spam surprisingly effective

[opal pecan]

Hel is so perplexing :V

[shy moat]

Hel is satisfyingly pew

[opal pecan]

It feels like the skulls should go further for some reason, but they don't actually

[alpine eagle]

No suprise there, my best weapon is torches

[sinful pendant]

for reals

Lim and Oros tho

[alpine eagle]

I like Mel

[shy moat]

that's how I feel about torches, especially the hidden aspect

[viral yew]

Weakest weapon fr

[alpine eagle]

Just get omega attack boons and pew pew pew

[sinful pendant]

Ive got such a brainrot take that Aspect of Pan makes your cast a Domain Expansion where your Specials are a sure hit

[shy moat]

Aspect of Pan is crippled imo because the throw doesn't curve hard enough to guarantee a hit

So it starts kinda weak and then can just whiff on top of that

[sinful pendant]

true honestly

[junior trail]

but possessed tho

[opal pecan]

I was about to say torches don't trigger this for me but actually the hidden aspect does. Is the hidden aspect actually shorter-range or is it some weird thing with the graphics?

[sinful pendant]

also the cast doesnt last long enough so you HAVE to use your Omega Specials immediately after cast

[shy moat]

I think it might not be shorter range but only fires if you're closer to the enemy?

[alpine eagle]

The hidden aspect just auto fires and has a fair low base damage

[opal pecan]

Ahhh, that could be it.

[shy moat]

yeah, it just feels like I have to get annoyingly close to get it to auto fire

[opal pecan]

A hilarious/annoying thing about the autofire also is that if you try to talk to dad after you've dashed into the room, well.... the autofire kicks in because it registers the dash as "combat" and you keep hitting dad in the face

And then you can't TALK to him and you gotta calm the hell down first

[nocturne inlet]

mel thinks shes in the first game

[opal pecan]

Blood WILL out.

[sinful pendant]

just unlocked the Black Coat/Xinth
aint the missile design launched from the back awfully modern for hades

I say that when Eris's Adamant Rail makes shotgun sounds but

[opal pecan]

Nyx 🤝 Hestia
modern tech

[shy moat]

yeah there was a complaint session about that earlier.

I want the black coat revamped so you are lifted by shadow, tendrils lash off of it for attacks, and instead of launching missiles you have pools of darkness you launch

Purely just a cosmetic change to make it fit the world

[viral yew]

Would you rather a railgun or a mech suit

[shy moat]

also can you imagine Nyx punching something in the face?

[sinful pendant]

its a nice thought

[opal pecan]

She has hidden depths. Unseen depths, you could even say.

[sinful pendant]

just saying I dont remember the Railgun in the first Hades being that good

[shy moat]

I'd have rather seen it lean into the darkness side than this weird hyper tech side

[shy moat]

the ospecial particularly for the coat screams futuristic tech and is really jarring

[nocturne inlet]

based on her kids.... yes

[opal pecan]

It's just a reflection of her technyxal prowess

[viral yew]

It was really good

[opal pecan]

Didn't speedrunners like it a lot or something, it's been a while

[sinful pendant]

ok honestly
the UI screams tech

[signal coral]

eris aspect was overpowered and got nerfed after 1.0 I think

[nocturne inlet]

gun was really strong for me

[signal coral]

but it was still quite fast even after the nerf

[sinful pendant]

but I expected her to more crouch down/aim at the enemies than float up when charging it up

idk its mounted at the back im surpised it makes the effort to curve up then down

[shy moat]

I don't like the jetpack

I don't like the micro rockets or their targeting

If it were all darkness/strips off the coat doing that stuff (magically) it would both fit Nyx way more and not rip me out of what immersion the game normally has

[signal coral]

global damage amp on eris used to be incredibly rare and valuable, now you get +100% from arcana in hades 2...

[sinful pendant]

omfg just realized the jetpack

why doesnt she just FLY UP OLYMPUS

[viral yew]

For me I wish it was grenades or explosion balls smth like what Shiva has

[sinful pendant]

jk

[opal pecan]

Oh.... I just ran Shiva Underworld for the prophecy and got a casual-level PB.... for a hot sec I was like "is Shiva (not Australian) actually quite good" but then I looked at the damage stats and two of the top three were "scorch" (from my cast) and "lunar ray" lmao

[nocturne inlet]

why doesn't mel dig a very big hole straight to Tartarus

[shy moat]

that would be an improvement, I just don't know why something based around Nyx is so technology based.

Also, why it's called a "coat" when it's actually four parts just randomly glued together (Gloves to punch with, coat to protect, rocket backpack, jetpack). There's no cohesion.

[sinful pendant]

coat of arms

[opal pecan]

Black Jumpsuit

[sinful pendant]

Black Mechsuit

[opal pecan]

Black PPE

Is there a special acronym for full-body personal protective equipment?

[sinful pendant]

gah she jumps when she specials its just

[nocturne inlet]

just make the missiles look like the automatons projectiles... they already exist in game and seem to be the most advanced tech available...

[opal pecan]

I looked at the stats page to double check that really was a PB and it occurred to me that apparently I just literally have no idea how to play weapons other than various types of coat on the Surface. The difference isn't so big for UW.

I'm not sure why that is? What's different about the Surface fights that would make them easier for a casual player to go a bit faster on coat compared to other weapons?

[viral yew]

As a coat player I have no clue lmao

[nocturne inlet]

to be fair the surface is way kinder to melee weapons, at least that feels so for me

[viral yew]

Ranged enemies are alot worse on the surface, they're alot easier to fight close up than at range

[nocturne inlet]

also the bosses just don't have many projectiles, melee on Hecate and sirens feel so bad to me

[shy moat]

there's plenty of things to hide behind for some ranged weapons; like charon or momus are fine

[signal coral]

if you havent played a ton of runs specifically with the purpose of going fast, its just variance

if you get a good build then your run is fast even if the weapon is bad

[opal pecan]

Yeah, if it was just a couple individual things I'd not bat an eye, but I've run staff/torch/coat plenty of times both up and down and the trend of difference was what caught my eye

The melee thing makes sense!

Perhaps if I daggered and axed more it would show up there too.

[gentle widget]

theres no setting to turn off boon visual effects right? theres too many things happening on the screen sometimes the flushes of mobs just hit me out of nowhere and i cant even see them

[static badger]

sounds like the surface got you again

[gentle widget]

yea it did, i'm like recording a 44f hestia video for fun but if i hit and run its not enough time, and if i rush it i die

my win rate is still less than 50% for this diff

[shy moat]

I wish there was a way to turn off some of the visuals, I've eaten a lot of hits I just didn't see incoming at vow scylla

[static badger]

when your ares bullets look slightly different from enemy ones

[opal pecan]

My computer would also probably lag out less

[static badger]

I just need a bullet hell style bullet catcher feature

at least grazing isn't a feature here

[shy moat]

if it doesn't start out laggy it could be an input thing, if you use controller?

[gentle widget]

i had so many decent damage yesterday

[static badger]

I had the same issue until I updated and it went away

[gentle widget]

but i also hated that the game forced heph on me 3 out of the 4 runs i had

[static badger]

heph ain't bad

[gentle widget]

hepty i dont like you, go away

[opal pecan]

Nah, KBM. I didn't grow up with video games so I wouldn't know what to do with a controller if I even had one haha

[gentle widget]

the main damage i was expecting for was blitz and scorch

not hep

[shy moat]

well see, you push the little stick one way and tap the buttons...

[static badger]

a or b

or c

[gentle widget]

controllers grow on you quite easy

it actually does better in aiming some small hitbox aspects

[hollow stag]

What are good Hexes?

[static badger]

gimme one of those arcade style joysticks with the one button

[gentle widget]

lunar ray, healing moon, and nothing else

[static badger]

I like the foe fights for you one

[hollow stag]

Not Twilight Curse?

[sick tide]

Oh, I love the revive one

[junior trail]

0 upgrade: wolf howl, twilight curse
+godsent: night bloom, total eclipse

[static badger]

moon water for fear

[sick tide]

And twilight curse is super fun imo

[shy moat]

the only hex that's really conditional imo is dark side, and that needs a cast build or really good effects on attack/special to upgrade into activating.

All of the rest can get very good with upgrades.

[hollow stag]

Godsent? You all don't like Twilight Curse?

[static badger]

turn the boss into a sheep and we'll talk

[junior trail]

lunar ray is overrated

[shy moat]

sheep hex is weakest vs bosses, but makes their adds trivial and lets you tear through rooms on the way to them much easier

[hollow stag]

What about Total Eclipse?

[sick tide]

Bosses honestly get much less annoying then the room enemies imo as you progress

[shy moat]

also sheep hex auto-kills typhon eggs

[gentle widget]

i mean its a 20% of rival chronos hp, with the ho vow

[shy moat]

I enjoy it a lot; with Hestia godsent it can clear rooms pretty well too.

But it's reliant on good predictions to really shine.

[sick tide]

It’s not my fave , but if you get the hit(s) in it feels good

[junior trail]

only get it when hestia is in the run

[opal pecan]

If you get the upgrade that gives like +300dmg or whatever to bosses...

[junior dome]

do extra dose and dashing heave both proc on a dash strike for 3 hits?

[shy moat]

it's still not tons of damage, but that does help make it more useful on bosses

[hollow stag]

You have a choice between Total Eclipse, Turn Mob to Sheep, and Dark Side. You're using Torches. What would you pick?

[shy moat]

Sheep hex also is okay damage vs bosses with zeus godsent just from all the zappos

[gentle widget]

mob to sheep

[shy moat]

probably turn mob to sheep. Absolutely not dark side.

[gentle widget]

darkside lowers your damage potential its actually a bad move 90% of the time

[junior trail]

it proc 4, not 3
yeah dashing heave with extra dose is pretty good

[opal pecan]

Sheep also trivializes some minibosses, which is nice

[dire shell]

When is it not?

[shy moat]

I giggle whenever I sheep the eyeball of typhon miniboss' rolling eyeball

[shy moat]

if you're running a cast build dark side doesn't weaken your damage and gives you invuln

[dire shell]

I love cast builds

Ahh, is part of the problem attack/special boons not working? Why wouldn’t they work. Hm.

[opal pecan]

It's also not a bad move for like a normal player who's just getting through the main campaign and having trouble surviving or something

[gentle widget]

when u need a 5second break from the fight like chros phase 3 lazers

[opal pecan]

There's upgrades specifically for that

[gentle widget]

or you need free damage like typhoon tornado spits

[dire shell]

Oh god I’m not great at those lasers. Rivals 4 seems not worth it

[shy moat]

they work, but dark sides' attack/special are weak so they don't help very much.

If you have strong flat damage like hestia or heph and upgrade it to trigger the boons, dark side also is better

[gentle widget]

i aint falling for your conspiracy

[shy moat]

it just means if you're not doing a cast build and don't have it upgraded to utilize flat damage boons, dark side is ... bad.

The fact you can't end it early means you can't even use it for a quick invuln then get back into damage.

[gentle widget]

[opal pecan]

I think there should be a cosmetic incantation that lets you switch up whether your Twilight Hex morphs enemies into sheep, pigs, or rats. That's all. :P

[shy moat]

absolutely

And if you flip one of Poly's sheep he gets confused

(Though I appreciate that he will comment on new sheep showing up)

[junior dome]

okay, and i got that with success rate (herioc), that buffs extra dose right?

[junior trail]

yupyup

[junior dome]

does attacking out of sprint count as dash strike, or only directly at the end of a dash?

[junior trail]

either for axe

[dusty raven]

i swear to god chronos paid my parents off to make their keepsake give me howling soul on every god damn 62f run

[shy moat]

attacking out of sprint is a dash strike

[junior dome]

oh yeah ,that was pretty silly

[uncut thistle]

Any tips for clearing the Great Chaos Below trial? Genuinely have no idea how I'm gonna pull this off unless I roll disgustingly lucky

[junior dome]

179k dash strike 110k attack damage run

[nova raven]

I do not learn the Rival Chronos fight, I do not practice dodging the triple scythe, I do not memorize the patterns. I FACE TANK IT.
And if I can't outdamage him before I burn through all my death defiance, I DO NOT WIN.

[spiral wadi]

play antler, outdamage and he can't attack

[gray raft]

For the Great Chaos Trial my only advice is don't get antlered

I was running a really excellent Mutual Destruction run that got completely tanked because my max health just disappeared

[sinful pendant]

Life

anyone also like loudly exhale as if they actually died when you die in game

[shy moat]

have you considered shouting, "Return to shadow now!"

[sinful pendant]

it annoys everyone around me so n o

[shy moat]

tch, lack of dedication

[gray raft]

I personally sink into the floor back to the house of hades, my roommates hate it

leaves kind of a mess

[final sedge]

I have a Moros torch run with Zeus special, which one better

Duo with Poseidon, Zeus legendary, or epic double strike?

[gray raft]

Shocking loss is very funny

If you're looking to do damage to bosses the Duo might be a better call but I haven't done the monster math

[edgy nacelle]

I’d probably go with double strike or zeus legendary…? idk, maybe I underrate the duo boon but it’s just damage % and may get lost in the sea of % buffs from origination, furies etc. all additive so it starts to matter less.
whereas double strike is multiplicative, and can rly pop off

[gray raft]

I don't take Zeus boons generally so you're already on the wrong path imo

[sinful pendant]

Air Quality tho

[gray raft]

Yeah but here's the thing

I don't like him, so I don't take his boons so I don't have to listen to him talk

[edgy nacelle]

honestly valid
he’s just rly strong lol even if personality wise he’s my least favorite olympian </3

[gray raft]

Also most of my builds revolve around getting big high damage hits so Air Quality is less of a goated pick

iirc

[shy moat]

double strike works on blitz triggering, right?

[sinful pendant]

I simply do not have the words to describe my builds in this game besides "Get highest amount of damage"

[edgy nacelle]

yup! it works on any “vertical” lightning bolts.
so blitz, cast, sprint, revenge boon, power surge, even zeus’s godsent hex upgrade, but not chain lighting effects

[shy moat]

yeah... that explains a lot of Zeus being so strong

[edgy nacelle]

yeah, that + blitz dealing damage more rapidly the faster the rest of your build does damage makes him go kinda crazy
and static shock for wards at high fear etc etc

[shy moat]

...wait does blitz also scale with global +% damage?

[edgy nacelle]

yup! and global crit chance/ares mini crit chance

[shy moat]

so global +% damage means you trigger blitz faster and it does more damage and it multiplies instead of adding.

[junior trail]

Also Olympian dmg

[shy moat]

well crap yeah.

That needs a rework tbh

way too good compared to anything else

[edgy nacelle]

I mean almost everything works with global dmg%! so does scorch thank god, which makes it rly strong with investment

but yeah zeus is absurdly good on like. any build

[shy moat]

yeah but scorch doesn't double dip the same way by triggering more often from the damage and doing more, it triggers at the same frequency

and scorch can't crit can it?

crit is pretty huge

I don't think blitz needs a big change just ... a little tap.

[edgy nacelle]

true! altho pyro technique is very very good
like double strike it’s one of the few boons that multiplies your damage instead of just adding to the pool of % bonuses

[shy moat]

lots of things can get very very good, it's just a question of how easily they ramp up to that

[static badger]

for 32 fear imma switch things up a bit

My arcana:
xxxxx
x
xxx
xx
xxx

maybe I'll do staff

[edgy nacelle]

uhhh. trying to read that
this? https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNCIsImM1IiwiYzciLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTkiLCJjMjAiLCJjMjIiLCJjMjMiLCJjMjQiXQ==

[viral yew]

Can we stop with the ascii arcana loadouts

[static badger]

no

[edgy nacelle]

hard to tell if I'm reading the spacing right, that site is nice for sharing loadouts if you want

[junior trail]

the top row is scam

also excellence?

[static badger]

well I've never run really with most of those

[viral yew]

Terrible loadout tho

[static badger]

could be worse

[sinful pendant]

The Lion does not concern himself with changing his arcana besides the first loudout he used

[edgy nacelle]

by all means try it out! esp if a lot of the cards are new to you
excellence is kind of underwhelming a lot of the time tho tbh

[static badger]

I might swap for boatman

[junior trail]

i think the furies is like, congrats you're playing the game properly kind of thing, should be 100% on

[tacit rapids]

for the fates whim keepsakes do you keep the bonus when you switch the keepsake?

[viral yew]

Yes

[tacit rapids]

oh my god

[static badger]

although persistence is probably too weak

[shy moat]

Put it in a code box, three `'s at the start and end

xxxxx
 x
  xxx
   xx
 xxx```

[static badger]

what is this, reddit?

[shy moat]

Heh and then you only want single spaces because it makes spaces the same size as letters

[static badger]

all fonts should always be new courier

[shy moat]

There think I fixed it

[static badger]

yay readable

[edgy nacelle]

tbh I just don’t know the arcana layout enough to know what anything with just Xs means at a glance lol, I had to go look up a reference

[shy moat]

This is my world with most of the aspect and arcana names still >>

[static badger]

it's cool there's a website and all

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNCIsImM1IiwiYzYiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMjAiLCJjMjIiLCJjMjMiLCJjMjQiXQ==

[edgy nacelle]

it's neat! I didn't know it existed until someone linked their arcana with it
you can use it to share fear settings too

[junior trail]

i think this setting is always my go-to (non-fates whim run ofc)
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImM2IiwiYzciLCJjMTEiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTYiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiLCJjMjAiLCJjMjEiLCJjMjIiLCJjMjMiLCJjMjQiXQ==

[static badger]

the same as my usual one

my 24 surface was a 3 void fear because I'm crazy

[high widget]

quick q: do boons that affect o-cast also affect ||charon axe's|| explosion?

[junior trail]

yes all of them, except glorious

[high widget]

awesome, thanks!

[flint widget]

void 3 is crazy tho

why void 3

[static badger]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMiIsImM1IiwiYzEwIiwiYzE1IiwiYzIwIiwiYzI0IiwiYzI1Il0=

well I ran this

[flint widget]

no dds or strength!?

[static badger]

don't need

[flint widget]

thats actually kinda mental

[static badger]

i got it after the first

went for HP and Poseidon and Zeus mostly

once I had air quality and water fitness it was won

[viral yew]

This has to be rage bait atp

[static badger]

every vow can be won against

I wouldn't like doing pain and void together tho

[flint widget]

that's only for 65s

[static badger]

I mean you can get used to them earlier

I like trying out ideas that shouldn't work

[ocean pawn]

Hey that's my usual surface setup!

[static badger]

raise the roof!

[ocean pawn]

I love me some Judgment

[junior trail]

bro when the centaur proc after 3rd region boss:

[static badger]

I ran with the piggy too

[ocean pawn]

The classic every-arcana-active run if you find Circe

I've been trying to speedrun with Persephone aspect/whim of fate and hope for killer rng. Down to 7:27

[static badger]

so who's gonna run max fear surface with the pig

could you imagine

[ocean pawn]

Lolol surface pig run, pull Judgment as one of the cards

[static badger]

when I did 0 cards I got judgment and death

like winning the lottery

[ocean pawn]

That's hype. 50 fear is proving to be quite difficult to finish off

[peak urchin]

Hey, so im a little confused on what keepsakes are good to switch into after youve already got a baseline for what gods you want. Typically I use two god boons for locations 1 and 2, and then after that I have no clue what keepsakes to use. Could i get some reccomendations?

[azure notch]

depending on the situation, I go blackened fleece in the last area. Icarus's keepsake is also really good for the third region. It should last until the final boss unless you're messing around in Tartarus

[surreal hazel]

Moonbeam's +5 upgrades can be huge

Experimental hammer after zone 2 will last the rest of the game when maxed

[viral yew]

Athena->Antler

[peak urchin]

im still not off the death defiance training wheels yet

should i just take the plunge or should I take the time to really lock in on enemy attack patterns first

[viral yew]

take the plunge

[peak urchin]

vow of rivals will be the death of me

[surreal hazel]

that's the idea

[peak urchin]

also what good cast boons are there for charon

[junior trail]

tidal for pure dmg + geyser
arctic for safety + local

[peak urchin]

okay then!

im worired that i wont be able to get a ton of pos boons this run, is heph or apollos good for this?

[brazen echo]

They're fine

you should start apollo anyway to snipe his gain boon asap

[peak urchin]

ohhhhhh thanks

[azure notch]

btw I tested earlier and Lucid Gain does trigger twice with Circe's Aspect. I asked earlier and nobody knew for sure. I figured it would but I wanted to test anyway

[peak urchin]

i died to poison

[wet grove]

you know how to cure it right

[peak urchin]

yuh i just got grabbed

second attempt i beat it no hit???
i guess I was just more careful

[wet grove]

indeed

[dapper nest]

Oh, I just learned that Echo's Boon Boon Boon counts Chaos Trials as the previous night

[wet grove]

it sure does. echo can be manipulated hard

[rare crypt]

Is it me or does Splash damage (Poseidon Attack/Flourish) not actually get damage increases from any Arcana Cards, even from the "global" ones?

[wet grove]

I haven't seen for sure but I can say they do great dps regardless

[junior trail]

Splash is affected by global damage boosts and Olympian damage, but yeah, it still ends up feeling a bit underwhelming sometimes
That said, Arterial Spray and King Tide can definitely help boost Splash’s dmg

[wet grove]

and you also need it on the right weapon

splash on pan blades or hel is peak, on axe or staff it's mid

[junior trail]

mirrored thrasher on staff is also pretty good with splash

[wet grove]

I'd rather have a high % effect because it's base damage is high enough for that

[granite radish]

Quick question, does "Heaven Splitter", the Deadalus boon of Nergal aspect which makes your attack hits twice, synergizes with the Omega attack also?

[surreal hazel]

just the regular attack

not even dash strike

[severe vortex]

I don't know but check the wording, I think if it's attack singular it's only regular

[surreal hazel]

It's negal's variant on hell splitter, which also only affects your normal attack chain

[warm rivet]

Why tf is Hephaestus‘ gain so strong

I das basically invincible through the dmg reduction

[flint widget]

it sucks if u don't hit (which im a master at 😎) /j

[humble dagger]

Quick question regarding freeze, it's a 2cd effect with a 10s CD - does that mean, for origination's purpose, freeze can only count as a curse for 2s every 10s?

[gentle widget]

whats the sweet spot for olympians reroll? when i had 2 gods taken or 3 taken?

[stray notch]

Hey guys!
I need to do underworld fear 32 but I only have rivals level 1... is it possible or I shoould max out rivals first?

[obtuse roost]

I'd argue it's easiest without rivals

[stray notch]

oh ok

I'm just not sure if i can manage time 3 with circe

it's not super fast in the beginning

[surreal hazel]

Thaw is also a curse

also it's not exactly a 10 second cooldown

the 10 seconds starts at the same time freeze does, so if you extend freeze with Cold Storage.... less time thawing too

[glass bone]

Honestly, depends on what you are comfortable with, and then want to do after 32.

If the goal is high fear beyond 32, then yeah, practicing Rivals is a really good thing to do early. If not, there should be enough vows where you could skip Rivals. For 32 specifically, I’d say you should only be trying Rivals 2, for the most part.

Rival 2 UW is much harder than Rival 2 Surface, but that is sort of counterbalanced by Rival 3 UW being much easier than Rival 3 Surface

[primal phoenix]

I haaate Anubis' staff really I dont like how it plays at all

[obtuse roost]

I love anubis

[primal phoenix]

Trying a omega special run, so kinda "long" range but I keep bringing enemies at me its so frustrating

[surreal hazel]

stop mashing attaaaaack

also omega attack is hella strong

[primal phoenix]

I'm not, i'm playing O special
The omega attack doesnt feel good for me as i have to be relatively close but the area isnt THAT big and enemies can just exit it. On Frenzy 2-3 even with the slow time card, launching an omega is hard man

[surreal hazel]

Frenzy 3? wut

you mean 1-2

Also just like, get a good attack and cast boon and then sprint into stuff, you don't have to mash special

[stray notch]

As I predicted, I died of timeout... circe is good but it pairs horribly if you need to be fast

[tall notch]

What's your vow setup? Some vows affect timer much more than others

[stray notch]

I can`t post images here anymore 🙁

[primal phoenix]

Yeah i dndt have the gods I wanted so that didnt help either (fates' whim), maybe i'll try again with a O attack oriented. I think i'll still win that run but it takes a while with my current setup

[tall notch]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator

[stray notch]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzEsMSwxLDYsMSwzLDEsNSwxLDEsMiwzLDMsMCwxLDAsMF0=

I need 2 more

I think rivals 1 would be the easiest

[tall notch]

Why are you clicking forfeit on 32 fear

No wonder you're timing out

[stray notch]

Cause it's eas to work around?

I am not timing out anymore since I have time 2 now

[tall notch]

You're down multiple boons and it's much harder to get a strong build going with onion

I wouldn't click denial until high 50s genuinely

[stray notch]

what would you pick for fear 32?

[tall notch]

What weapon is it and how comfortable are you with rivals fights?

[stray notch]

I'm using circe cause afaik is the easiest one for high fear

[tall notch]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDEsNSwwLDAsMiwwLDMsMCwyLDIsOF0=
This should be free if you're comfortable with rivals 3

[ornate frost]

R3 should be pretty free with Circe I think

Big target means easy to overlap casts and also leash

[tall notch]

You do have to be used to the attack patterns so that you don't take tons of damage, so that's why I'd recommend this setup only if they're actually comfortable with r3

[patent locust]

What should i use on aspect of nergal ?

[uneven palm]

Psychic Whirlwind

[patent locust]

And the boons ?

[static badger]

how do I get timer 3 down

I keep losing at the beginning unless I'm lucky

[brazen echo]

Apollo attack and then go ham

[glossy rivet]

What are the gods that have revenge effects? Just zeus and apollo and ares? I want to know what gods to get for heinous affront

[junior trail]

light smite (apol)
divine vengeance (zeus)
visceral impact (ares)
unseen ire (hades)

[patent locust]

Ok ty, do you recommend any duos ? Or legendaries ?

[glossy rivet]

huh there's not as many revenge boons like back in hades 1

[brazen echo]

Nothing specific really, maybe the apollo legendary but idt it’s as good on nergal as it is on other aspects

[glossy rivet]

Does apollo legendary work on shiva?

[patent locust]

Ok ty, so i should just go appolo attack, origination and Hammer

[junior trail]

yeah not much, athena's defensive posture doesnt work with heinous
also there was one more but been removed in warsong cuz i guess it didnt work with heinous (nasty comeback (hera))

[static badger]

Jesus frenzy max is tough

[junior trail]

i guess not? not sure tbh

[pure grove]

Yes for the Oattack, no for the Ospecial (kind of). The Ospecial does it 4 times instead of 6

Super weird interaction, but I assume it’s to balance out potentially stacking 6 buffs instantly as well as that one hammer that triggers the regular specials

[static badger]

frenzy is so gross

it's gonna take 200 runs to get used to it

[pure grove]

Oh, forgot about the Oattack, the first one consumes the buffs, so the second one is base damage

Might be one of the only weapons where Apollo lego isn’t that good (Circe and Medea are the two others I can think of)

[glossy rivet]

kinda bummer

[static badger]

is the zagreus fight off timer

[steep galleon]

I don't think so but I can't say for sure

[static badger]

holy crap he does that much damage

and no it is not

[stray notch]

do you have a macro to play medea skull or you just destroy your thumb as well?

[pure grove]

There’s auto fire in the settings

Since you never use omegas anyways, I always turn it on when playing Medea

[glass bone]

I mean OAttack is used for Boss transitions in at-least Any% and maybe Rival Eris

[pure grove]

That’s why you have auto-fire on toggle for those niche situations :P

[lean crypt]

huh, taking wardx2 with nergal is genius

more hits for berserk

[stray notch]

what is auto fire???

[pure grove]

That’s… certainly one way to heal up with Nergal lol

[tall notch]

I use controller back buttons

[pure grove]

It’s in accessibility or controls, I don’t remember which. You just hold down the button and it continuously attacks instead of charging Omegas

[lean crypt]

stupid problems require stupid solutions

[stray notch]

but how does this combine with the special?

[pure grove]

Iirc the special just… kind of isn’t that good to begin with

I personally never use it

[lean crypt]

it's sooooo good, turning it on made skull actually enjoyable to play for me

[stray notch]

we play medea in different ways then ^^"

[tall notch]

Uhh i think y'all are talking about 2 different things lmao

[stray notch]

I slide my thumb to xy continuassly so I load a skull and unload it with special

[pure grove]

Oh, the special on Medea for auto-fire pretty much stays the same. You don’t ever Omega Special

[stray notch]

but my thumb get sored after a while

[lean crypt]

i meant the other skull aspects regarding autofire

[stray notch]

since I saw all the speedrunners use medea, I doubt they all have a broken finger

[lean crypt]

pretty sure you meant nergal special here which isnt amazing true

[pure grove]

Try using keyboard for Medea. It’s honestly way better than controller in that regard

[stray notch]

uhm ok.. or i can make a controlle macro that when I pless x it presses x+y instead

[pure grove]

Or mouse, or whatever your heart desires. KB only is very doable since the game comes with auto aim

[pure grove]

So Medea doesn’t work like that since pressing both at the same time eats one of the inputs

[stray notch]

yeah I can add a delay

[pure grove]

But also, I’m pretty sure that scheme doesn’t work with auto-fire anyways unless you jury rig your own version of auto-fire

[static badger]

how do I beat any of these bosses at frenzy max jeez

[uneven palm]

Practice

[static badger]

Hecate plus was just annoying before now she's unbeatable

my issue's with the green fireballs and the green background and my green attacks with the increased speed

[bright viper]

what makes medea good i used it and it felt like a worse version of persephonie

[fervent anchor]

genuinely just practice

[fervent anchor]

put blitz on the special and just attack and special into enemies repeatedly

[flint widget]

the speed plus the +90% attacks and specials bonus

[bright viper]

i did that

[junior trail]

you never reload all shells then special, just attack > special zip zap

[flint widget]

downside is that it's close range

[fervent anchor]

the dps is insane its literally an insta win aspect

[bright viper]

i like persoeonphonie

purse phone

[fervent anchor]

i only use persephone for heph runs

[flint widget]

persephone with jeweled pom is also just plain funny

[bright viper]

for me its way better with hestia

[flint widget]

who uses hestia on medea unless it's the cast

[bright viper]

i got the hammer that lets u spam attack with the skull and spamed that on everything and it feeled the sprouted meter super fast

[opal pecan]

Ain't they talking about Persephone? Not Medea

[bright viper]

then got the demeter special and her duo with hestia boon and it procd for 3400 damage on typhon with all my damage stacking

[flint widget]

oh mb i thought they were still talking about medea

[viral gale]

Do "immediate" Casts boons like those of Apollo, Hera, Poseidon, etc. get triggered multiple times by Momus's Omega Cast echoes?

[alpine eagle]

How does targeting work with torches? My biggest issue in Hecate fight ||is them locking onto her clones.|| it can also happen at the final phase in Oceanus when all the fish swarm you last second.

[severe vortex]

Can the morrigan effect crit if you have raki or something?

[junior trail]

no

[lean crypt]

triad can't crit or be damage boosted in any way

[opal pecan]

I had assumed Morrigan effect was a fixed number that couldn't be modified, but on reflection, I have no -- oh okay, ty for the confirmation 😆

[lean crypt]

(except hammers that specifically affect triad)

[junior trail]

unless its explicitly related to blood triad yeah

[lean crypt]

thats why i like hera so much with morrigan, if i can't boost it at least i can share the pain around

[severe vortex]

Aight, good to know

[stray notch]

what is the minimum fear for a fearful night?

20?

[opal pecan]

Are you talking about the Circe thing? Ten will do you.

[stray notch]

yes also heracle, is not really clear what I should do tbh

[opal pecan]

Heracles is different. ||You have to have to fight Prometheus with at least Vow of Rivals 3 active, but there isn't a total fear requirement.||

It may take multiple fights before it'll work, be forewarned.

[stray notch]

How do I increase it to level 3?

[opal pecan]

You'll need to beat each of the preceding levels first, which unlocks an incantation that you can complete to open up the next level

[lime nebula]

Can somebody tell me what the bright shining blue light is next to my magic bar? Would post a picture but discord does not allow it.

[opal pecan]

So that means beating ||Rivals Hecate and Scylla in the UW, and Rivals Polyphemus and Eris on the Surface.||

[opal pecan]

What weapon and aspect?

[lime nebula]

aspect of artemis in the trial of chaos

the blade

[steep galleon]

It means you can parry

With oatk

[lime nebula]

ah ok. too bad the game does not give you any info on icons (or I didn't figure out how)

[prisma needle]

They need to add an option for weapon meters to be visible over your character model like in an arpg
So annoying having to look in the bottom left so much to see the persephone meter

Has there been a mod made for this yet

[stray notch]

The best coat is shiva right? Is the only I cant grasp my head around it tbh

[opal pecan]

Uhhhh I don't know about "best". What's the context? Just casual playing or

[stray notch]

By best I mean pushing highest fear possible

[opal pecan]

Best to be asking someone else then 🫡

[stray notch]

❤️

[static badger]

I can't believe I lost because I couldn't find the enemy in the mourning fields

what a waste

they wouldn't come and find me they were phased inside of a wall

[opal pecan]

WTF, but also, when you say lost, do you just mean lost time or did this somehow kill you

[static badger]

I couldn't finish the boss in time

[opal pecan]

Ohhhhhhh right, time.

[flint widget]

nice one supergiant

[opal pecan]

I had something similar happen with one of them wyvern type thingies up in Olympus where it got wedged into some random bit that Mel didn't seem to be able to walk into? But fortunately I had plenty of ranged options

[static badger]

i wish I had that option

it was such a good run

I guess if I wasn't so slow at the game it wouldn't be a problem

20 seconds to clear a room must be too slow

[shy moat]

run frenzy 2 if you need more time, it makes them spawn in faster (Though watch out for the enemy attack speed >.>)

[static badger]

frenzy 1 is bad enough

alright jeweled pom don't give me bad RNG this time

[opal pecan]

How the hell do you avoid taking damage with Nergal

[prisma needle]

The hammer that makes the omega spin attack independently is really good

[static badger]

wow actually pom is worse for me than athena

I blame hecate

[lime moth]

My girlfriend who just started playing said the skull is the worst weapon 💔

[static badger]

TRUE

[lime moth]

She also said she preferred Hades 1 cos she finds Hades 2 too overwhelming

[static badger]

there's a lot of bullet spam in 2

32 fear is something

[turbid crescent]

Hades 2 is by far more fun tho

• the artstyle is a lot better

Like a LOT

[static badger]

does anyone know how the messenger works

impervious to what and for how long?

[lime moth]

It is harder, more overwhelming but so much better because there's so much more to it

But I understand the appeal of Hades 1

[austere trail]

yeah I tried replaying Hades 1 and it felt so much more boring (gameplay wise)

[lime moth]

I'm going to restart it and get all the achievements in Hades 1 when I finish 100% with Hades 2

I'm at 78% rn

Missing 11 achievements

[bright viper]

the skull is the best weapon and the coat/torches is the worst weapon

[opal pecan]

Booooo

[lime moth]

No

[tall notch]

That's ragebait isn't it

[turbid crescent]

The early game feels less grindy tbh

[bright viper]

no its my opnion lmao

[lime moth]

The torches are easily top 3, and the coat is hella good too

[turbid crescent]

Idk about worst, I think all of them are good tbf

[tall notch]

Have you tried having a more correct opinion?

[turbid crescent]

But the best weapon is twin blades.

[bright viper]

twin blades r fun

[lime moth]

Unlike Hades 1, I feel like Hades 2' weapons are all hella good, you just gotta build them properly

[tall notch]

Nah the best weapon is torches

[turbid crescent]

Objectively, I'm totally unbiased I swear

[bright viper]

torches feel bad to use i dont like them

[tall notch]

I'm also being very objective I've never made a subjective or inaccurate statement in my life

[turbid crescent]

They're kinda boring tho (except twin blades and circe staff, I love you both), I would have loved a super long ranged weapon like the bow

[tall notch]

Have you tried each aspect? They play very very differently

[bright viper]

all except the hidden

[turbid crescent]

I enjoyed bow a lot

[lime moth]

My personal favorite weapon tier list: (My personal preference)

1. Staff (Anubis)/ Moros Torches
2. Medea Skull
3. Morrigan Daggers
4. Nyx Coat
5. Axe

Axe used to be 1

But now I have over 100 hours and a brain

[lime moth]

I have beef with Eris because she has my Hades 1 weapon (the rail)

[turbid crescent]

I still wanna know why and how she has it

did chronos just...give zag's weapons to his forces?

He fights with his dad's spear in elysium too

[surreal hazel]

zag's room and courtyard were just left to rot

[opal pecan]

I'm sure Strife has her ways

[surreal hazel]

but also Nemesis got Stygius back somehow too

[lime moth]

It was her weapon long before Zag took it though, she has an aspect in Hades 1 (Actually, her aspect is the best one)

It was Hestia's before

[turbid crescent]

I feel mel should just take it from her or something

[lime moth]

I guess she stole it from Hestia

[turbid crescent]

hestia??

[surreal hazel]

Hestia best aspect

[turbid crescent]

damm i can totally see ares using twin blades now

[lime moth]

Yeah! The rail was Hestia's weapon

[turbid crescent]

crazy

[lime moth]

She was its original user

The bow is Hera's

Which I find very interesting?

Hera is never seen with a bow, only with a spear, it would have made more sense to be Artemis' but oh well

Hell, it would have made sense even if it was Aphrodite's

[static badger]

I had Athena's keepsake but she didn't show up at all

[glass bone]

Did you have Death Defiances?

[static badger]

how did that happen

[turbid crescent]

Did you use death defiance?

[static badger]

no

[steep galleon]

I mean Hestia was never seen with a gun either 😂

[lime moth]

I will never forgive Amir for not letting us actually use Hades' spear

[turbid crescent]

exactly

why does he even have it now

[surreal hazel]

You'll take the Aspect of Dad on Varatha and like it

[lime moth]

It would have been a crazy only late game unlocked weapon

[turbid crescent]

Also, how does it make sense to have aspect of ANUBIS and aspect of SHIVA in a greek mythology game

[surreal hazel]

it's honestly just the aspect of achilles with a slightly modified charged attack and combo

[surreal hazel]

Uhm

[lime moth]

Other weapons have aspects of norse gods

[opal pecan]

Athena's keepsake is only a %chance for her to show up, not a guarantee

[turbid crescent]

Hades 2 spinoffs

[surreal hazel]

all hidden aspects in both games are from other mythologies

[opal pecan]

Did you read the dialogue

[turbid crescent]

no

[opal pecan]

lol

[turbid crescent]

just make spinoffs with the same mechanic atp

I'd totally play that

[lime moth]

The game gives off percy jackson vibes from that. There are dialogues where the NPCs say that those gods exist just in other places and times. Just like how in PJO, all the gods exist in their own individual places and with their worshippers

[turbid crescent]

That's totally setup for more games

[lime moth]

I've been saying this

[turbid crescent]

(I just wanna see wukong and shiva in hades artstyle)

[lime moth]

If they do make other games, I do hope that it isn't norse, because that's overdone

[turbid crescent]

yeahh no

That'd just be god of war

[tall notch]

I want sgg to go away from mythology and create their own worlds again, they're so good at it 🥺

[shy moat]

this is debatable, the art style is different

[opal pecan]

I know gamers love their infinite sequels and DLCs but

[lime moth]

It would be cool if they made a prequel. That’s actually about Hades.

[turbid crescent]

makes sense, Hades 1 had a lot more shadows imo

This one's lighter

[shy moat]

it's funny, I felt like Hades 1 was more vibrant; brighter colors

[opal pecan]

Contrast can create a sense of vibrancy, beyond just the brightness of individual hues

[shy moat]

that might be it

[turbid crescent]

there's a lot more highlights in hades 2 character models

[austere trail]

hopefully we get an announcement in the TGA events to come

[shy moat]

the only reason I'd want a Hades 3 is if they put Mel + Zag together as the protags and let it be coop

[lime moth]

Or like GTA where you can switch

[opal pecan]

Though between Fields of Mourning and Summit being greyish/washed-out biomes and Olympus having that sort of godly white-and-gold going on, that was already putting them at a bit of disad

[shy moat]

well; both.

But I'd really want co-op >.>

[austere trail]

that would be sick. it's never happening but I would love that

[turbid crescent]

That is so dope

[opal pecan]

It's a bit out of scope for this channel but honestly the main "non-essential" thing I missed from this game about the two of them is not enough banter scenes lol

Let the siblings banter 👏

[turbid crescent]

And add trio bossfights maybe

[mighty crane]

heyo, sorry to barge in to the discussion fellas but wanted to ask where to check about boon and weapon combos in depth or if its just vibes

[shy moat]

"AND STAY DOWN"

Phew Done with my hair.

[turbid crescent]

Hades zeus poseidon 2v3

That could be a cool final bossfight ngl, I just dont see a storyline for it

[shy moat]

what are you looking for by "in depth"?

[shy moat]

just blame the vow

[lime moth]

I’m really disappointed with what they did with Heracles. They could do a game about him where you basically do his labors

[opal pecan]

If you just want to be discussing stuff this is a fine place to discuss stuff, we got a bit offtopic anyway lol

[turbid crescent]

and hydra is the final boss...wait

[mighty crane]

builds, which builds go well with which weapons, which gods work well together etc
I'm experienced in lurking in chats to slowly absorb info but was hoping there'd be at least one compiled place to read

[lime moth]

Nah, Hera 💔

[turbid crescent]

💀

[shy moat]

People have been recommending https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide

[digital juniper]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide

[turbid crescent]

LOL

[shy moat]

yeah like that

[digital juniper]

holy timing lmao

[mighty crane]

Cheers fellas

[tall notch]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide
This one is okay

[shy moat]

I heard https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide is pretty good

😉

[mighty crane]

Can we connect 4

YEEEEEEEEEAAAAA

[lime moth]

Just these missing for this prophecy 💔

https://imgur.com/a/zJp0p6k

[shy moat]

you haven't done Charon???

Is so fun

[tall notch]

I can't believe you haven't done Eos

[lime moth]

I used to be an axe main when I started playing but I used Thanatos' instead

[lime moth]

Because Moros >>>

[lean crypt]

dang, i had a hilarious rapidfire hel build going but choked against eris

[bronze flax]

I decided to try Time 2 and it's basically free Fear

And I hate it

[mellow owl]

A well built Lunar Ray is insane??? It dealt like 10k damage to Typhon each time I fired it

[elfin forge]

yeah

[lime flax]

mhmm.

[bronze flax]

Apollo Godsent just makes it incredibly absurd lol

[patent locust]

Why does nargal hammer do no damages 🥹 maybe i just built it bad

[bronze flax]

My brother in Zeus, that's not "the light of the sun", that's a supernova

[lime flax]

yeah and with the like 3 beam bs its dummy dmg

[opal pecan]

Nergal more like Nerfgal /not at all salty about having no success with it 😆

I mean, at that point wouldn't you want to look at their non-damage-related properties? KB vs +range right?

[violet orchid]

Which aspect of the skull is the really good one? And what boons should I use? And what is the combo for combat I should be using?

[shy moat]

I almost always take +X power because +%'s are much more common later even if I don't have a bunch now. As well as Origination, for example.

I might not take a small +X power if it's a really hard hitting weapon like axe but it otherwise seems like a pretty safe top choice to me

...obviously if I get an epic +% and a base +X power, that might sway me to take the +% too >.>

[bronze flax]

I feel all skulls stand out imo (Hel might be the least effective, but even then, I like it)

Personally, I like to use Aspect of Persephone a lot, it is pretty customizable in terms of how you build Olympian damage (casts, Scorch, Wave, Blitz, Blasts if you're lucky, Zeus/Ares duo, Hestia/Ares duo)

[shy moat]

Medea is the really strong one afaik

[bronze flax]

Yeah, easily the strongest, not even a contest

[civic salmon]

Does trick knives not get offered in ephira? I've reset eighteen times

[steep galleon]

All skulls are good, medea though is one of the strongest aspects in the game, with the downside that it's also one of the riskiest

[civic salmon]

am I losing my mind

[digital juniper]

just rng, region has nothing to do with what hammer you get offered

also are you dying/rerolling seed by saluting the oath of you have the incantation?

[static badger]

omg my math was bad and I did 31 fear

I'm done

how can every stupid thing happen to me

I reallllllly don't want to have to clear it again

grit or hordes what's it gonna be

[shy moat]

what weapon?

[civic salmon]

not dying, just rerolling

[shy moat]

anyway. I'd personally pick grit

[static badger]

flame

[toxic sonnet]

What dash do you do for supay? Can you do other things besides beach ball or is that really your only bet

[digital juniper]

at 32 fear…neither lol

[digital juniper]

beach ball isn’t the end all be all, poseidon rush itself is what’s really strong with it

[glass bone]

Heat or Breaker

[digital juniper]

otherwise hestia sprint is pretty good aswell

[toxic sonnet]

Hmm gotcha. Is breaker the hephaestus dash?

[glass bone]

Breaker is Poseidon

[prisma needle]

whats the fastest way to do a standing strike from a dash

[toxic sonnet]

Ah ok lol

[prisma needle]

black coat dash strike is so slow i want to do the standing strike when i dash to start charging up the punch faster

[digital juniper]

you’d have to get the timing down from where after you dash and strike, just something that comes with muscle memory really

[prisma needle]

damn do u just have to wait

feelsbad
still faster than doing a dash strike tho

usually dash strikes are supposed to be faster

weird that black coat is so slow

its got a tiny aoe i guess

[digital juniper]

if you’re omega attacking sure, but if you’re not, dash strike is significantly better than normal attacks on coat

[steep galleon]

The dash strike does suck ass on Shiva though

[digital juniper]

oh yeah i was talking base aspects tbf, i barely played shiva so have no clue about it

[prisma needle]

yeah im trying to learn shiva

I wish dashing to release an omega charge had invuln

would make mostly nergal and shiva a lot more fun to play

i think you still keep some block frames when dash releasing the omega punch
im not sure if you get the dodge iframes tho i dont think you do

i know for sure dash releasing the axe spin is not invuln

[sacred pier]

anyone know if Night is better than Huntress for Shiva?

[violet orchid]

Any good boons you suggest running with it?

[shy moat]

what's really irritating is that for axe dashing to release omega attack does have iframes

Lack of consistency is very frustrating

[sacred pier]

zeus special is the core one. You try to go for the Kings ransom build which is getting zeus special, cast and double strike + all the hera boon you can get for kings ransom

[steep galleon]

On Medea?

If playing with god keepsakes people usually start with Zeus special, and then a %dmg on attack, Aphro, Hera, Apollo, Ares all work quite well

[hasty moth]

Umbral flames with aspect of Melinoe, heaven strike, arc flash, and double strike is kinda insane

Especially if I manage to find kings ransom

[peak urchin]

the switch from death to strength is rough man

im dying at places Iwouldve never otherwise

[prisma needle]

wait what? i swear nergal doesnt have iframes for that
are you talking about the other aspects

if thats true i might have to be a thanatos gamer

[shy moat]

pretty sure there's iframes during the dash

If you mean during the omega once it begins no, sorry for misleading you

[rare crypt]

what's the best Gain slot option to restore Magick for something like Morrigan Omega Attack spam?

[tall notch]

chat recommend me a cool aspect to do a run with thats not moros, hel or circe

[rare crypt]

Morrigan

[prisma needle]

Im talking about charging an omega attack, and dashing out of it to release the omega attack
this sequence of inputs doesnt have iframes for the dash

[tall notch]

Cheers chat

[prisma needle]

at least for nergal

i should test thanatos

[steep galleon]

Mel skulls!

[shy moat]

the dash into oattack has iframes on non-nergal axe for sure, I thought it did for nergal but I haven't specifically tested it

[tall notch]

oh mb i shouldve specified, one thats not an aspect of those 3 weapons

[shy moat]

one thing to watch out for is that the beginning of the dash does not have iframes so if you cut it close to the attack you're going to eat it. You have to dodge slightly early.

[opal pecan]

Aspect of Nergal, more like Aspect of Prometheus with the amount of foresight you oughta have to play it 😂

[rare crypt]

let me know how it goes!

[prisma needle]

i should record some nergal runs and show what im talking about

[tall notch]

Aspect of Psychic Whirlwind

[rare crypt]

I wish it was an actual aspect, ngl

[steep galleon]

Nergal is the only axe I care to spin on

[opal pecan]

I like omega moves more than some of y'all but having to rely on them as the main thing feels kind of precarious

[steep galleon]

Than is just fast axe

And then you have charon and aspect of dashing heave