h2-builds-and-combat

[glossy peak]

I'm gonna be a rabblerouser and say that people are overselling Strength without Death. It's better for damage but when I run it I can't just run up to the act 4 boss regardless of build and mash attacks until they are dead, which is something I can do with my regular DD heavy builds.

[edgy nacelle]

they're both good tbh
I think DDs are pretty much always safer, so they start being better as soon as you play at a difficulty which you find challenging enough to need them.
for raw speed + when you're confident you don't need the added safety (or if you're leaning heavily into healing) strength is fantastic tho

[glossy peak]

Yeah I think that's fair. Str with no DDs is unquestionably better damage except for like weird edge case Athena shenanigans

[sage flame]

both at the same time is heat 🙏 i be sayin this

[viral yew]

It's a viable pom strat

[glossy peak]

It feels like DD+Str syncs way better with Fate's Whim builds anyway

[edgy nacelle]

I should try it (aka stacking both) more, might save my ass vs r4 chronos... I've been avoiding it since at lower fear it doesn't seem worth it at all to me

[viral yew]

It does

With pom arcana you go top right corner, excellence, or dds and strenghr

[sage flame]

yea if ur too good with DDs u wont ever get to strength lol but yeah it can be fun to have a "last stand" of sorts

aka taking like......one more hit than normal

the damage is cool too

[edgy nacelle]

I mean hey sometimes that's all you need tbh
I should futz with my loadouts more in general, I've kinda just been making them up

[sage flame]

me too always

i dont even use the loadouts given unfort lol

[viral yew]

Futz?

[sage flame]

mess with

[viral yew]

Ah

[sage flame]

tweak ect

[edgy nacelle]

"fiddle with" kinda
I was about to say "google says it's north american english" but also:

early 20th century (in futzing, noun; originally Australian)

[viral yew]

Ofc it's Australian

[sage flame]

fake australian or something

[viral yew]

Do you know how much slang we have here?

[sage flame]

gotta keep up

[edgy nacelle]

I thought it was yiddish tho which. are there ppl who use yiddish slang in australia...?
I like that the two etymologies listed are

1. "maybe yiddish based on a verb meaning to fart about"
2. "maybe australian as slang for f*ck around"

both rude but ofc the australian version is that lmao

[viral yew]

Do you have any idea what i'm talking about when I say i'm going to run down for some durries and grog so we can get smashed this arvo, then tomorrow i'll chuck a sickie

[glossy peak]

I always just assumed yiddish because it rhymed with 'shmutz' lmao

[edgy nacelle]

most things with a tz I assume are yiddish lol...?
klutz etc

[viral yew]

Definitely

[sage flame]

would be a fair assumption lol

[edgy nacelle]

yiddish does love it's consonant clusters... ig english does too compared to a lot of languages
"strengths" is such a mess

[glossy peak]

hey there's one vowel in there somewhere

[viral yew]

It's too early in the morning for etymology

[sage flame]

never

[edgy nacelle]

what about phonology :)

[viral yew]

I prefer morphology

[glossy peak]

Instructions unclear, I have begun my morning phrenology

[edgy nacelle]

actually fair ok
I like phonology tho, my senior thesis was on phonology... and I continued to never use it again after graduating but. ah well

[viral yew]

Bro has a lumpy head

[edgy nacelle]

phrenologists would love skelly
so convenient

[viral yew]

I did morphology and other linguistics things for a year in high school

[edgy nacelle]

oh neat lol! I was a ling major, didn't rly intend to be but I loved the faculty (and the english departmend kinda sucked and wouldn't let me do comparative/world lit at all + there was a lot of drama constantly)

I just rly liked the phonology teacher, I did an independent study thing with her and read a lot of papers abt like. queer linguistics, which were interesting af

[viral yew]

It was better than doing English lit, but i just dislike i
English in general, prefer music and science

[edgy nacelle]

I didn't mind science but I also took...... very little of it lol, and preferred humanities + lit stuff
might have been a classics major if my fav professor taught full time, I loved her but she was just a temporary hire so I took the one class as an elective then moved on

[glossy peak]

I took enough history classes in community college to at least get an associate's in it but alas am beholden to capitalism and didn't bother to do all the paperwork on the way to getting my accounting degree

[eager lion]

Hey folks, I'm starting to struggle a bit at higher heats, what is strongest and what should I try? Any tips?

[viral yew]

What fear, and what's your vow setup

[eager lion]

32 fear (oops, not heat), and I'll have to take a screenshot once I'm out of this run. Is there a recommended vow setup?

[viral yew]

https://imgur.com/a/faIsqUr

That's my recommended setup

[eager lion]

Thank you

Ew, three time vows? I had trouble with that when I tried it

How do you do things that quickly

[magic moss]

experience, you just start to play faster and more efficiently as you get better at the game

[viral yew]

Practice

Plus frenzy 2 and good builds helped

[eager lion]

Makes sense. How does frenzy 2 help?

[viral yew]

Enemies spawn faster, and makes boss phases faster too

[eager lion]

Oh awesome

Is there a good guide for boss fights? I feel like I'm probably taking too much damage

[viral yew]

Boated just uploaded a good rivals video

Idk about normal bosses

[daring vortex]

Anyone knows which keepsake keeps it's effect for the whole night? I hear eris' and chaos' works

[wide glen]

If something says "This night", that's how it'll work

[daring vortex]

Ahh, okay. Thanks 🙏

[wide glen]

Does anyone know: does Zeus's boon King's Ransom get rid of Universal Donor (or any Hera duo boon)?

[viral yew]

No (I think)

[wide glen]

I will simply not risk it, this run is too perfect lol

[eager lion]

What should I swap out first? I have rivals maxed

[viral yew]

I would go down to rivals 2-3

[eager lion]

Probably a good idea but I want to beat chronos and typhon in their rivals forms. Cerb and prometheus are kind of hard but they're doable

Do you have a good black coat or witch's staff build? What keepsakes should I use?

[viral yew]

Witches staff is probably better, depends on mel staff or circe tho, for keepsakes I normally go ||jpom||-fig-athena-knucklebones

[eager lion]

Thanks

Is there a list of good builds or something btw? I'll try witch's staff first

Oh, and what about arcanas?

[viral yew]

https://imgur.com/a/ZhnRvP9

You can swap time and huntress for whatever

[eager lion]

How do I get the fig?

[viral yew]

Dio

[eager lion]

Ahh, I haven't had luck finding him lately

[viral yew]

It's not needed, you can take anything you want there really I just like it

[eager lion]

Why is fig leaf good? Looking it up it doesn't seem to be that helpful

[viral yew]

Just means less enemies, makes timer easier, and less opportunities to get hit

4 rooms in tartarus instead of 5, chance of skipping the miniboss in fields

[eager lion]

Ahh, but you still get the reward?

[viral yew]

Yep

[heady flame]

chat is there any way to dodge hecates transformation thing without frinos blocking it

[viral yew]

Yes

[grim gyro]

you have to dodge into it like 6 times

hold sprint after each dodge to edge out some extra distance

[signal coral]

run away and then right as its about to catch up to you, dash through it and start running in the opposite direction

need to do it about 6-7ish times

[heady flame]

💀

[viral yew]

At least you're not tryna do it on rivals

[eager lion]

Oh yeah, how do you do it on rivals mode?

I've gotten it a few times

[grim gyro]

i made a build that makes you almost fully invincible, i'm somewhat convinced it's the easiest build for high fear, though you probably won't be able to get the build if onion/void is enabled

[viral yew]

Take frinos or hope and pray it doesn't split at the wrong time

[grim gyro]

aspect of charon
core: lucid gain, apollo legendary, any 2 of (fine line, controlled burn, giga cleaver), wolf howl with the armor upgrade.

• any good special/cast boon, lightning lance is also great

wolf howl with armor gives 3 seconds of armor and 80 magic to recharge

charon omega special costs >80 with this build

and lucid gain can give you the full mana back each time

you can easily get another wolf howl, which itself makes you invincible, within 3 seconds

so with cast -> omega special -> wolf howl -> repeat you are either in the air or have 20 armor at almost all times

you can still die to multi-attacks though so its not 100% free

video of me abusing it (self promotion??): https://youtu.be/3S5QYVBB5J8

[heady flame]

it splits???

nahhh thats cooked

[viral yew]

In rivals? Yeah it splits into 3

[glass bone]

Yeah, I will say, Forfeit (also potentially Hubris and Debt) makes this harder to get. You can use Lunar Ray over Wolf Howl for armor spam at a lower cost. And as for Charon 62 with Forfeit, the key thing is getting Lucid / Flood Gain, and taking Messenger.

[grim gyro]

lunar ray works too for this but i don't like it unless i can also get the upgrade that lets it fire on its own, which costs a ton of mana

also wolf howl armor lingers even after the hex is done for 3s

[eager lion]

https://imgur.com/a/XuQswR4

this is what i use

[viral yew]

I wouldn't play without furies, you really need the damage

Plus dds and strength isn't the best idea

[glass bone]

The missing 2 is Persistence.

[eager lion]

I've got them selected

[gaunt canopy]

I either forgot or never realized how annoying hecate's cast move is on frenzy 2

If you get sheeped

[viral yew]

That one

[eager lion]

I know death defy + strength is odd but I think it's fine and lets me use fate's whims

[viral yew]

Oops i'm stupid

I would take dd's off and put it on wayward son and persistence but up to you

[eager lion]

I'm just surprised you don't have excellence on your deck? Seems important

[viral yew]

I'll sometimes use it but it's a waste of grasp imo

[eager lion]

But then I lose the queen

[flint widget]

for a 5 grasp card it's kinda cheeks

grab boatman and origination

[viral yew]

Queen is overrated

[eager lion]

Hm, fair, maybe I'll try not using it

[flint widget]

the only time queen is good is when ur trying to get a lot of duos

[swift wind]

I'm hard strength pilled now

[eager lion]

What about excellence?

[flint widget]

for example, a persephone heph blast run

needs like three duos to feel good

as well as a heph 2 sec cooldown

[viral yew]

I wouldn't run it

[eager lion]

You wouldn't???? It seems really powerful

[viral yew]

Nah, not with pom

[flint widget]

rarity doesn't really matter that much tbh

[dire shell]

Pom is soooo good… is it broken

[flint widget]

id go and say it's overrated

[steep galleon]

On a setup with no reroll corner a place can be found for excellence, otherwise not

[dire shell]

Do people use the “more duos” often? It’s sad, I love the idea but it’s expensive

[steep galleon]

I've been running excellence over boatman recently and it's been nice

[gaunt canopy]

1 rarity doesnt matter that much, 2 rarity matters more

[viral yew]

Literally

[swift wind]

More duos seems like basically a freebie with middle column

Artificer pretty useless though

[steep galleon]

Nah it's good especially if you're running forfeit

[flint widget]

yeah

[eager lion]

Quick question, how does damage stack? Is backstab damage from aspect of mel twin blades going to affect Olympian damage like Poseidon's waves, or just raw weapon damage

[flint widget]

especially on high fear

[gaunt canopy]

Just depends on your build if it works out to have the duo card

[flint widget]

those three transforms make all the difference

[viral yew]

They do

[swift wind]

that makes sense

[eager lion]

ty

[gaunt canopy]

It only affects olympian damage if it specifically says olympian or 'all' damage

[eager lion]

Oh so it doesn't affect it?

It just says attacks and specials

[gaunt canopy]

I think shiva was responding to checkmate

[ashen turret]

my hera aprhodite boon revived a minion in typhon fight and he did 720 hitch dmg every half second to the boss does anyone know how that works

[gaunt canopy]

Yeah the wave is not the attack

[viral yew]

I was yeah

[gaunt canopy]

Uh i wonder if that hitch thing is a bug lol

[flint widget]

but like ngl forfeit is kinda overhated tbh

[steep galleon]

You mean Hera Apollo?

[flint widget]

like unless ur early game sucks ass ur probably fine

[cerulean panther]

Hera/Apollo, Sun Worshipper gives its revived minion triple damage.

[ashen turret]

ohh maybe itwas that okay cool thanks

[gaunt canopy]

What makes allied minions do hitch dmg tho

[ashen turret]

itw as hitch colored probably because it was under the hera boon

[gaunt canopy]

Ohh right

[eager lion]

okay makes sense

[gaunt canopy]

Yeah some minions are crazy

[eager lion]

Is there a build repository somewhere? I want a good guide or something because I'm gonna get a headache trying to piece together my own builds every time

[gaunt canopy]

Mostly youtube videos afaik

[eager lion]

Ah that's a pain

[steep galleon]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide

[viral yew]

Leereamsnyder, or u can ask me

[steep galleon]

Or just run pom and scrap together what you get 😆

[edgy nacelle]

tbh if you ever want ideas for how to build around a specific weapon/god/boon/duo/gimmick you can just ask here, there are a ton of options

[gaunt canopy]

Its kinda good to have someone explaining it to understand how relatively crucial each piece of the build is

[flint widget]

imo i dont really recommend finding good builds, just do trial and error, it's much more fun that way

[gaunt canopy]

Usually theres the core build and then stuff thats gravy on top

[swift wind]

I just try to differentiate between if I want base damage increase

or %increase

[eager lion]

that site is exactly what i was looking for, thank you

[gaunt canopy]

Best build is medea aspect and zeus special

And then whatever u want

[flint widget]

if u don't like medea cuz somehow some people feel medea is kinda cheeks, go for circe staff and whatever you want on the cast

[violet temple]

yo does moon dust have any use other than upgrading arcana

[steep galleon]

Decorations and rank ups

[tacit rapids]

how does the aspect of persephone special work?

for the argent skull

[edgy nacelle]

when you deal "olympian damage" a lil gauge charges up.
olympian damage is any damage that comes PURELY from boons—so % boosts to your attack/special don't count, but stuff like cast damage, splash, scorch, lightning bolts, hephaestus blasts, etc etc all does.
based on how charged the gauge is, your Ω special lasts longer.
you're immune to damage during your Ω special and can steer it around, so it's a very safe source of solid damage

[viral yew]

You get random boon levels

[gaunt canopy]

sorry misread

[silent crow]

is this still a goddamn mechanic oh jmy god 💔

[gaunt canopy]

i was thinking about persephone + the persephone and zag keepsakes

[edgy nacelle]

it used to be just cast damage iirc? now p much every god has multiple boons that charge it up

[tacit rapids]

oh thank you so things like blitz or anything considered a curse would proc it? and does olympian damage for the normal special charge the omega special?

[steep galleon]

It did yeah, and I believe cast damage was boosted at the time.

[silent crow]

it used to be all damage at a terrible rate then only cast damage and now its "OLYMPIAN DAMAGE" which is a term that you have to look up

[edgy nacelle]

blitz would work, but something like freeze wouldn't since it doesn't do damage
basically if a boon has flat damage numbers it usually counts, and if a boon adds base power or % damage it doesn't

[steep galleon]

At launch of EA Persephone was pretty bad, cause the gauge filled too slow. Then in like the first balance patch I believe it got a buff and became rly good

[tacit rapids]

ok got it thank you

[steep galleon]

But that was around the time I stopped playing too

[silent crow]

persephone has been a jank piece of trash for the games entire lifespan 😼

[steep galleon]

It's good though

[gaunt canopy]

you need to understand what olympian damage is anyway

[edgy nacelle]

disagree but ok I guess
it's not stronger than medea ofc but it's fine

[edgy nacelle]

oh also did you have a specific question abt this or did you just want to know in general?

[steep galleon]

At the time I think Persephone was my favorite too, after the buff

[gaunt canopy]

the question is just 'how busted is it' lol

[steep galleon]

It was a fun cast based weapon

[edgy nacelle]

oh, very. mainly ||jeweled pom.|| the ||zag|| one would be better but they both kinda want to be taken first in a run and it's just... the worse option between the two

[steep galleon]

I dunno what brought them to rework it though

[gaunt canopy]

oh i figured if oyu were using one you'd use both because of the prerequisite

[edgy nacelle]

the ||chronos|| one is also quite good, ||you get a crazy amount of gold from it, very solid region 2 choice||

[silent crow]

people not knowing how it worked bewcause the game explains it terribly and thus not using it

[steep galleon]

Well tbh it's not like olympian damage is a clear concept either

[gaunt canopy]

the sprouted thing doesnt matter, persephone is for poms for ding dongs

[silent crow]

yeah it isnt thats probably why they gave it random pom stuff and shipped it

its the most duct taped aspect ever

[edgy nacelle]

||the Zag one is weird since it rarifies boons, and you mainly want your most important boons to be rare. which, cool, but often you aim to get those early, and by the time you get to region 2 you already have them and you're stuck using the keepsake on less important boons||
||you could take it first, but pom is just... better to take first 🤷 pom affects every single boon you get after equipping it, so taking it first means +3 levels to an entire extra region's worth of boons||

[silent crow]

who cares about making an aspect with good mechanics when you can put on random pom levels that'll get people to use it

[gaunt canopy]

i really dont feel like olympian damage is that complicated, but then i played WoW and the white/yellow damage concept is kinda similar

[edgy nacelle]

I basically only take ||calling card|| in region 2 if my build has some big holes in it and I can really make use of the effect, or for fun runs aiming for like. idk, ||heroic success rate|| or something
but the other two are good p much every run 🤷

[steep galleon]

Random pom levels is also puzzling, why not just make it so the special has guaranteed bonus levels or whatever

[gaunt canopy]

its damage that the olympian is doing instead of you doing it

you can tell the olympian is doing it because theres always some spiffy graphical effect popping off

[silent crow]

its just a weird idea

like usually when you look at a game mechanic you're like "yeah this makes snese i know why this happens"

[steep galleon]

It's not but it's not well explained in the game is my point

[silent crow]

i cant think of a single reason sprouted works the way it does

[steep galleon]

Hence people asking here for an explanation

[silent crow]

and its not intuitive eeither its completely arbitray

[edgy nacelle]

also idk, I think persephone skill is fine without the pom levels 🤷 I'm glad it has them but half the time you don't even get +1 level anyway.
sprouted is oddly unintuitive but it's absurdly safe damage and can be quite strong

[gaunt canopy]

hmm well i guess % damage boons also have graphical effects nvm

just thing of it as white damage vs not white damage

[silent crow]

ares wound procs have a red damage number and effect and dont count

[gaunt canopy]

well see theres your problem, you took ares boons

[silent crow]

why is everyone hating on ares goddamn hes good]

[gaunt canopy]

i hate that crap it looks like im getting hit

[steep galleon]

I just feel like the random level thing is weird and it would have been more on point, at least imo, if it had something like bonus % special damage, or bonus % olympian damage it can do

[silent crow]

if you spin your ospecial in a circle you do more damage

[gaunt canopy]

if wounds procs arent olympian damage then i cede the point i guess, lmao wtf

[steep galleon]

They are

[silent crow]

they arent theyre just +50 power

im pretty sure

[steep galleon]

They 100% are

[silent crow]

is this true and real

i cede myself then

[edgy nacelle]

I think the random level thing is in part to try to tie it into the persephone keepsake in h1
like how Than axe has a crit effect (every Than attack in h1 is a crit iirc) and rewards you for not getting hit (like his keepsake), or how Hera used to own Zag's bow and the hidden bow aspect basically does the same thing as Hitch. they like tying mechanics to stuff like that when they can imo

[humble dagger]

Do I need to gift Artemis something for the dialogue to unlock Morrigan to show up? I have aspect of Artemis at level 5, met her a few times but no such dialogue yet

[steep galleon]

I did an Ares run the other day for heinous affront, the wounds proc is def olympian damage

[gaunt canopy]

ok thank you

i was about to crash out for real

[steep galleon]

And it has its own colored numbers and everything, which is also suggestive of olympian damage

[silent crow]

that still doesnt make sense theres no context inwhich it makes sense because the +50pwr is attached to your attack which is boosted by attack stuff

[gaunt canopy]

anyway you need to understand the olympian damage thing because it kinda defines two overall types of weapons that exist in the game

[steep galleon]

I dunno olympian damage is weird I guess

Remember rallying cry also boosts olympian damage so there is supposed to be synergy there

[gaunt canopy]

oh ares is both % damage and olympian damage, is that what you mean?

hes the middle of the road guy thats partly why hes bad

[silent crow]

ares is pretty Good

[viral yew]

His core boons are kinda mid but has 2 or 3 really good supporting ones

[silent crow]

hes probably bad on the 50+ fears idk i dont know how thats going these days

[gaunt canopy]

i mean he's probably better than heph for core boons for a normal run ig

[steep galleon]

Ares doesn't have to be your primary damage dealer

[silent crow]

heph isnt even bad on core boons

[steep galleon]

He's excellent as supplementary damage

[silent crow]

idk wounds + grevious will always be pretty great

[steep galleon]

Put him on the attack you use less, it gives you a free curse and access to grievous blow

[edgy nacelle]

he's better than heph if you make no effort to build around heph
but heph with investment is very good lol
I prefer wounds as a secondary damage + curse source, but blasts by far as a main damage source

[viral yew]

He was also used in the wr so

[gaunt canopy]

uh ok lemme ask what boons/weapons do you think are bad in the game

[viral yew]

He's situational

[silent crow]

demeter atk/special

[viral yew]

Below 45-50 fear? None

[signal coral]

most things in this game are at least okay

[gaunt canopy]

relatively...

[silent crow]

i would say hitch dash but people said that ones good now

[signal coral]

i think this game is fairly well balanced

hitch dash is great now

[versed marlin]

Does apollo/zeus special work for Charon aspect?

[signal coral]

demeter attack/special is fine with high rarity

[edgy nacelle]

oh yeah hitch dash is amazing now, it's just offensive apollo dash lol

[lime moth]

Bro, Hera's dash alone clears room 💔

[signal coral]

but the numbers are awful on low rarity

[dire shell]

Hitch sprint is good? I don’t sprint near enemies that much

[steep galleon]

You mean the duo?

[silent crow]

i feel like its strictly outclassed by arctic ring which makes it awful

[signal coral]

it was awful before 1.0 because you literally needed to run into the enemy

[versed marlin]

Yes I meant duo instead of special

[steep galleon]

It used to but people saying it's pretty bad now

[signal coral]

now you need to just run somewhat close to them

[versed marlin]

Sorry

[signal coral]

you dont always get arctic ring

I will take attack/special if its high rarity or I dont have arctic ring

[silent crow]

i suppose

[signal coral]

with rerolls you can definitely force arctic ring more but there are good builds without rerolls now

[gaunt canopy]

i guess demeter is a more cast oriented god

[versed marlin]

I don't really care if it's bad. I just want to know if it activates from doing the charon thing.

[signal coral]

pretty much everything in this game is at least okay now

[edgy nacelle]

wasn't demeter attack part of the first 1.0 67 fear clear lol?
also with ||jeweled pom|| in the game idt aiming for a specific source of freeze is as viable, freeze is always good and the less build control you have the better stuff other than ring gets imo
even on reroll builds idt other freeze triggers are awful 🤷

[signal coral]

even heph blasts got a huge buff with the new keepsakes

[silent crow]

uhhh. super nova

[gaunt canopy]

if im asking whats bad i dont mean, what isnt at least okay, i mean whats bad compared to other things

[edgy nacelle]

glorious disaster comes to mind. but I haven't rly tried to make it work to be fair

[signal coral]

yeah some of the duos are whatever

[silent crow]

super nova doesnt do anything its gotta be that one right

[signal coral]

but those aren't typically the core of your build, the gods are still fine to take

super nova is fine, makes your cast have more aoe for room clear

[edgy nacelle]

idk I like super nova lol
one of the more flexible reqs for apollo legendary, good AoE for cast damage builds

[gaunt canopy]

super nova is cool with circe especially

[silent crow]

i feel like we have to redefine what bad means

[signal coral]

bad to me is like, poseidon attack in hades 1

as in its a core boon that is literally unpickable

[silent crow]

hades 1 had so many duds

[edgy nacelle]

I mean I actively like super nova lol, it's nowhere near my least favorite apollo boon 🤷

[lime moth]

I used to be a death defiance user, now I'm insane and a sweat and don't use it anymore 💔 Help

[silent crow]

remember Hunters Instinct

[lime moth]

Hades 2 got better combat imo

[signal coral]

i dont care if the duo does nothing or is bad, that comes late and isnt part of my core build

[gaunt canopy]

i mean i just wanted to know what sand thought was bad, by sands definition of bad

[silent crow]

+0.3% god gauge for crits

[signal coral]

i care if the god has basic tools that do nothing or are underwhelming because if the god shows up in my pool im going to be seeing those basic tools a lot

[gaunt canopy]

and also mabye the highest fear theyve cleared

[silent crow]

i did 50 like 4 patches ago

[versed marlin]

Soooo does it work?

[silent crow]

i mean 50f has some decent build variety

[gaunt canopy]

but anyway i can agree with demeter attack usually being suboptimal compared to aphro if you're going % damage route

[silent crow]

maybe its gotten harder

[signal coral]

50 is easier now

[gaunt canopy]

but since im bad i do like freezing guys

[silent crow]

im pretty sure i won one of my 50f's with ares cast which is probably the worst one

[signal coral]

my bar is that if I get a ton of one god in a run, does my run feel bad or no?
and I think that after the balance changes to the game over time that for the most part you can make almost any god pool feel good

[silent crow]

i dont think there are a combination of 4 gods that will actually dud you

[signal coral]

there's nothing quite like poseidon in hades 1, where he has one broken core and the rest of his core boons are bad, and half his secondary boons are also bad

[gaunt canopy]

to me a run feels good if i can almost ignore mechanics because of how much damage im dispensing

[signal coral]

so when he's in your pool and keeps showing up its awful

theres nothing quite like poseidon attack literally being worse than not having an attack boon at all

[silent crow]

pretty much every h2 god has like. stuff you would want even if you filled core slots

[gaunt canopy]

lol i beat hades 1 but i never realized that, how did that work

[silent crow]

it pushes enemies away from you

[signal coral]

poseidon attack is like +30%, which is awful

and it also pushes enemies away when you hit them

so if you were playing a melee weapon your followup moves would just miss

[gaunt canopy]

ah yeah makes sense

[signal coral]

also sometimes you push a witch super far off screen and it just stands inside a giant lava pit shooting projectiles at you

[silent crow]

you have to do strange acrobatics that aren't feasible by a normal human to hit enemies

[signal coral]

and you cant clear it unless you spend a huge amount of time lobbing casts vs it

or just run over the lava to kill it and eat some lava damage

[silent crow]

it was good on that one meme build

[signal coral]

basically poseidon attack/special were unpickable 99% of the time

[silent crow]

the special was actually pretty good

[signal coral]

his cast was fine if unexciting

dash was literally broken though

then his secondaries had a lot of duds

[silent crow]

for some reason his attack had godawful percentages but the special had the 2nd highest

[signal coral]

so he was mostly just a one boon god

[silent crow]

two of them did the asme thing but one was pretty mcuh strictly better than the other

uhhh buried treasure

[signal coral]

its like if poseidon shows up on your run you roll for the dash and then hope he never shows up again

okay he can show up one more time because rupture is goated

[silent crow]

his call had a secondary boon it was the only call in the game to do that

literally what

did anyone even remember this it was called rip current i didn tknow that until 200 hours

[signal coral]

in hades 2 the worst god is probably still ares?

because all the blood drop stuff is kind of awkward and many weapons dont make super good use out of it

and the falling blades stuff is like... okay

[silent crow]

ramping attack speed never works

[signal coral]

he's not exciting but still fine

[signal coral]

the main issue is that most weapons aren't super far off their attack speed cap

so even if you have giga blood drops its not a big deal

its very noticeable on torches though

[silent crow]

even on the mel axe trying to make use of it is a pain

[signal coral]

for some reason the torch attack speed cap is very high compared to the base attack speed

[dire shell]

It’s such a fun concept!! But it’s too much work

[edgy nacelle]

I think ares is def the worst god to go all in on since the builds that do that are kinda... just okay. blood drops and blades can be fun but don't feel amazing.
but he slots in well to a lot of builds, I'm never mad to see him I'm just usually satisfied after seeing him just a few times total

[dire shell]

There are attack speed caps? Eesh

[steep galleon]

I got 90%+ from blood drops on Moros one time it was funny

[silent crow]

you want to get more attack openings with it but you have to keep reading the % so you dont commit to an attack that you get hit by

[signal coral]

when ares shows up I try to get grievous blow and if I do then I am happy

[silent crow]

cutabove is really good at least

[signal coral]

if i do not then i am sad

[silent crow]

the other two blade boons kinda suck

[signal coral]

cut above is fine for omega builds, though its strictly worse than fine line for those builds

its sort of just a consolation prize for having ares

[edgy nacelle]

I'm also always happy if he shows up and I already have zeus and apollo lol, fun duo even if it isn't worth bending my build around

[silent crow]

i prefer it over fine line tbh

less cost can be buffed heavily with the 3x dmg duo

[edgy nacelle]

maxed out cut above with both duos is fun, it just takes a lot more effort to get online compared to fine lines on torch 🤷

[shy moat]

sometimes more cost is a benefit

[junior dome]

going for 24 heat overworld
is + damage just a no go?

hitting a wall on eris, her one attack where she backward strafes while firing a line that does 30 damage is so brutal, I don't see how it's possible to dodge

[dire shell]

Yeah I felt the same. Being sort of “beside” her helps, but I suck at her a surprising amount for someone who can usually beat 20 heat no issues

[junior dome]

im thinking the + enemy damage heat is a trap

[clear crest]

anubis builds?

[eager lion]

Wdym + damage?

Eris or rivals eris

[edgy nacelle]

scorch or splash on attack, blitz works too but I'd start with one of those two
build from there, aim for relevant duos/secondary boons for whichever route you choose

i.e. scorch = pyro technique + glamour gain, or freezer burn
splash = poseidon legendary, ares duo
static shock is also always nice

[swift wind]

damage is way higher and aggression way more punished in h2 imo

[clear crest]

won't splash push enemies out of the forcefield?

[edgy nacelle]

splash knockback only affects secondary enemies, not the main enemy being hit! also it's just not rly a big deal, I've done a lot of splash runs and never noticed the knockback being an issue

• the splash AoE can also reach outside of the circle if enemies are near the edge, it's neat

[dire shell]

But Melinoë hits like a truck lol

[edgy nacelle]

scorch is maybe easier to get going tho, esp since hestia's gain boon is great on anubis too

[junior dome]

take extra damage oath
i had it at +60%

[junior dome]

rival eris
internet search says she's easier than base, but i find her one of the hardest bosses on surface

[edgy nacelle]

I save that vow for nearly last tbqh
I'm trying to get above 50 heat and it's one of the last 3 I avoid turning on, it's rough

[clear crest]

sounds good. when I tried anubis it kind of reminded me of circe. attack + omega attack and also put a cast down if it has damage

[edgy nacelle]

for 24 I think there are enough easy vows that you def don't need to turn pain on, it's... well, painful. stick to like. timer, hubris, maybe denial, rivals, return or menace

[junior dome]

the worst part about return is i just feel like you should GET something for picking up the green orbs

like 1 magick or something

but yeah that'll be on for sure

[junior dome]

I feel that, on low heat i loved just loading up the twin blades with hestia or aphrodite and you could basically facetank most bosses and just watch their health go brrrr
but once i turned heat up above 20 had to start reconsidering my strat

[junior dome]

is 1 or 2 ranks of scars worth taking?

[viral yew]

Yes

[junior dome]

looking at the 24 surface 32 underworld

[junior dome]

but not 3 i assume?

[edgy nacelle]

up to you? I didn't take it for 24/32, but if you're comfortable with it it's fine 🤷
re: scars at all btw, def don't take 3 that low

[viral yew]

Wouldn't recommend it

[junior dome]

i guess it is better than pain, because pain affects all damage, scars only affects life gain from heals, not max gain

so
grit1 frenz1 menace2 return2 fangs1 scars1 time2 hubris2 denial1 rivals2 is 24

[edgy nacelle]

also DDs, onion, and moros pin all let you heal (directly or indirectly) through scars
chaos's healing per room boon too
pain punishes that stuff more than scars does 🤷

and that sounds very doable!

[junior dome]

im running death over strength

does scar hit your return health?

[edgy nacelle]

then even more reason that pain is bad
scars doesn't affect how much DDs heal you for

[junior dome]

awesome

thanks all 🙏

[rugged moon]

Scars 2 is pretty nothing because you can still get pretty decent general healing at 50%

stuff like dems gather one is still 7% heal at scars 2 on essentially every single room if you struggle

[eager lion]

I find her easier but I did struggle with base eris at first. I think you might not be respecting her enough

If you have decent damage it's kind of like a game of tennis or something. You ever play hollow knight or something? There's some bosses where you can get a few hits in, then they do their thing, and then you get your hits in again. Like that.

So before I stopped playing for the night I did that with the twin blades and I took a few hits but barely anything

[eager lion]

I think you should run strength, I thought I wasn't built for it but it's so much better. What it comes down to is the question of:

Would you rather do more damage (kill things quicker) and take less damage, or be able to sponge up more damage and play more carelessly

Death is a noob trap imo. Simply don't die

[rugged moon]

Depends on the fear once you start taking stuff like pain there is a massive health difference that can save small mistakes or allow you to push for more damage by virtue of having the hp

At low fear when you can get healing? Yeah i think strength is better

But 20% global is… not really a lot of damage when you get 80% already between originations and furies

Or when you start getting boons that then add another 100+ on top of that to your strikes

Vs having 80% more max hp

[rain hazel]

Did the game get harder or am I just this bad with Anubis? XD

[viral yew]

You're bad

[rugged moon]

Anubis is bad

(Not really, but if using it wrong its extra weak)

You need to be landing the omega attack wall on things to do reasonable damage before setup with good boons

[viral yew]

No it's not

[elfin forge]

I mean even before getting boons, if you throw out some omega specials stuff will die

[rugged moon]

I did immedietely follow with not really Shiva 😛

[rugged moon]

Thats a good way to get hit if you arent good as well tho.
If you arent use to things flying at you

[elfin forge]

idk I haven't used anubis with onion on so I always just spawn with hestia attack lol

there's not much that won't kill in the first two zones

[rugged moon]

I mostly pom. So i rarely get to decide my first boon

[elfin forge]

anubis does tend to be more picky about which gods it takes

[rugged moon]

The field damage is incredibly low compared to base staff and the special doesnt do more then mel staffs baseline. Can use it but its not easy until get use to its pattern

The easiest damage source is the wall without specific attack boons because it does chunk nicely

[lime moth]

I find anubis to be very hard to play with

I don't really like the attack tbh

That's genuinely my biggest issue with it

I much prefer circe staff for sure

I'm playing with anubis rn xddd

Hestia attack, Zeus special

[rugged moon]

Attack is very low damage, its decent when given like hestia attack cause its fast but its 20 damage per half second tick

Wall at least is 60 damage ticks

[lime moth]

Yeah, I wouldn't run anubis on any attack other than Hestia's

I also just hate its mechanic in general

And it's so slow on base

[rugged moon]

Poseidon is good

Basicly just those two tho.

[lime moth]

A lot of people call anubis second to medea but genuinely, I can't see myself playing with it. I just don't like the attack period, just pick other staffs 💔

I'm only playing with it rn for the achievements

[forest hinge]

Does anyone know why I haven't received the minor prophecy from Chaos "Born to Win"? you have to clear a whole run with just the Embryo equipped, but I've done that already so maybe thats why its not showing up??

[teal lance]

anubis has been my most successful weapon so far but ive only been able to get it to work well with either apollo or hestia attack and hoping for decent rarity + stacking poms.

once you get the stacks of damage applied you just dash in to keep refreshing them

[rugged moon]

…apollo?

[lime moth]

It's a great weapon, for sure. I love using hestia attack, zeus special, and zeus cast on it. But I just dislike the way the attack works, I like more hand to hand stuff

[teal lance]

heroic hestia attack just melts everything. maybe im bad at this game but most of the weapons havent appealed to me much, they just havent clicked. i mainly switch between staff and axe and maybe knives but the other weapons i just havent succeeded with

im having a hell of a time stacking fear on but i was never a high heat player in hades 1 either

[rugged moon]

I want to love twin blades but they just dont feel good right now. They need a buff.

[lime moth]

Ngl, I used to stick with nergal axe, but after finishing the epilogue and now trying to get every achievement, I have been using ALL the weapons, and I gotta say, I love all of them 😭

[rugged moon]

Im an axe girl with torches as my second

[lime moth]

I love circe staff, medea, moros torches the most for sure tho.

[teal lance]

i think this game just has way more unavoidable spam. i feel like i lose at least 1 death defiance to every rivals boss at this point

[lime moth]

The blades are growing on me too, they're very good with hephaestus builds

[teal lance]

i need to try more heaphestus builds. for some reason posiedon is mostly useless to mose of the builds i end up moving towards

[rugged moon]

Pos is underrated especially in pom meta

[lime moth]

Poseidon boons are very good with Hephaestus because their duo makes the Hephaestus cool down go to 1 sec instead of the capped 2

[teal lance]

im going to experiment with dropping fear to 0 and trying to figure out all of the aspects. i have never liked playing with the skulls or the torches

[teal lance]

ill look for this next run

[lime moth]

Moros torches are veryyyy good, and Medea is the best with the skull

[rugged moon]

Imo top three boon gives arehestia zues pos right now

[lime moth]

Im playing with anubis rn for the prophecy for the achievements and it's very nice ngl, the staffs have grown on me a lot

[lime moth]

For me it's Hestia, Zeus and Hera my beloved

[teal lance]

hestia attack + hestia gain means you never run out of mana

[rugged moon]

Hera is fine but is outclassed in primary slots and pos has better support by a lot

[teal lance]

just keep spamming special to keep them in your damage circle

[rugged moon]

Hera is good when you dont want zues/hestia on your primary

[steep galleon]

pain https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1383166531730673777/1427162085468409916/Screenshot_1641.png?ex=68eddbc4&is=68ec8a44&hm=f0a22980d17a22febbd1ffe5133e5b3df16d24b3d3afd17e5323a6812c4a94d0&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=570&height=381

[teal lance]

i like hera sprint

oof

rivals scylla is so difficult. even with the damage burst to take care of them i feel like its bullet hell

[lime moth]

it clears rooms

and born again is op asf

[teal lance]

oh yeah

[static badger]

born gain born gain born gain

[edgy egret]

hestia/poseidon on attack and ares on special with demeter cast and the duo boon for hestia+ares is insane damage

i just completed a run with it, s tier aspect

[lime moth]

Hestia attack, zeus special, AND zeus cast is hella good too.

I can use my attack in 1 area and cast in the other and it's insane damage

[edgy egret]

wwww, i prefer a percentage boon for special since i use the omega special for it but if ur just spamming the normal special blitz would do good

hestia fireball for cast paired with zeus cast for the high dmg also is crazy, i did that but with demeter for the cast

just completely melted every boss

people say poseidon is optimal for attack but i always seem to do better with hestia attack

[lime moth]

I love that for my achievement hunt I gotta use every weapon, it has made me discover shi I have never even knew were this op. I gotta use staff more often for sure, loving circe and anubis

[edgy egret]

staff is probably the most consistent weapon in the game, 3 s tier aspects

either that or infernal torches maybe

[shy moat]

she's not easier than base, but once you figure out when to get behind her she's easier than rivals poly imo

[lime moth]

I love the moros torches

I also found myself enjoying the morrigan daggers too

[edgy egret]

thats lowkey the only aspect for the daggers i use, the others never performed well when i used themn

that one gets insane damage tho

[lime moth]

I pair it with Hephaestus plus poseidon for their duo

I wish this channel allowed videos tf

[shy moat]

I'm still pretty convinced Momus is underrated on staff, too >.>

But all the people doing the ratings just remember when it was nuts too good

[edgy egret]

same i wanna show my vids against the bosses so bad

[edgy egret]

momus is 100% underrated but it feels circumstancial at times

its great against bosses

[lime moth]

All around, I prefer Circe out of all the staffs

[shy moat]

set it up like the helldivers discord does where people get a role after a certain amount of posting and then can post videos, but before that no perms

[edgy egret]

circe with zeus cast is so crazy

[lime moth]

I use that

Zeus cast overall is hella good

[edgy egret]

yea its really versatile

[shy moat]

tons of free damage against bosses, and against regular rooms you can set it up to repeat fire where the enemies will walk into it -- and then hammer a new omega right after it does

[edgy egret]

am i the only one who (yes i know its the best aspect) doesnt find medea that fun to use

[lime moth]

I like to use Hera for the hitch effect, it;s very op. So I can damage everyone at the same time

[eager lion]

I tried using Momus but I never got hera's line boon

So I was alright but I wasn't at the full potential of things

[shy moat]

what you really want is the hammer for attacks strike twice but cost 5 more energy, and then the apollo chance for attacks to hit twice, and things get goofy for momus

[lime moth]

Medea is really op, it took me a lot while to figure how to actually properly use the attack

[junior dome]

rivals polyphemus is my favourite touhou game

[shy moat]

I'll join you in that club

[edgy egret]

yea i didnt realize zeus on attack was so so so important rather than him on the special, but zeus on attack + aphro is crazy

[lime moth]

Rivals polyphemeus is my biggest nightmare, I can't escape the goddamn hades 1 rats 💔

[edgy egret]

u utilize so much more with the other aspects rather than just going back and forth

[lime moth]

"I hate these rats. I hope they're not in Hades 2"

Cue Medea bringing the annoying ahhh poison

[eager lion]

Oh interesting. That's pretty cool, and those proc the hera thing? Or do they synergize with something stronger

[shy moat]

Momus' repeating omegas fires those off too

[junior dome]

its not the same though

in hades 2 the poison covers more of the screen and the HP pool you have to clear to bypass it is way bigger

[eager lion]

wait fires what off

[shy moat]

when you use an omega with momus, it repeats it for you a few times

The "attacks trigger twice" hammer and apollo's chance for attacks to double strike both work with those repeating attacks afaik

[shy moat]

at least I'm like, 90% sure; it's a bit awkward to test since you can't throw boons on at skelly and unfortunately the descriptions are not perfectly reliable

[eager lion]

Ahhhh okay that's cool

I see what you're saying now

[shy moat]

some things don't carry over to momus, like the supercharged omega special doesn't carry to it

[eager lion]

And there are other boons that do stuff when you spend a certain amount of magick right? Zeus has one I think and athena has a good one

Hm ok

[shy moat]

I think it's anything that's unconditional - that just costs extra and you can't avoid using it - will work with momus

[dim flame]

do mel staff runs tend to do anything crazy or is it just slap like aphro or apollo on and go for it?

[shy moat]

aphro has those love bombs of hers

[lime moth]

Yeahhh, using the Anubis staff more often

Now time for blades in the achievement 🥀

But I’ll do that tomorrow after I sleep xdddd

[peak urchin]

best special for the axe? im using charon

[shy moat]

Apollo is nice just for bigger radius

[static badger]

I didn't think Scylla unrivalled could do so much damage in 2 seconds

I went from 200 health to 2

they ganged up on me during the safe zone aoe

[brazen echo]

Slap zeus and attack and go wild

[edgy nacelle]

yeah just zeus attack + a % bonus on special ideally
dash attack + special is a nice combo that shreds pretty fast. stuff like dual moonshot is nice if you can get it. but it's just a strong weapon at baseline, kinda can't go wrong

[static badger]

I actually don't like how the skulls play lol

[edgy nacelle]

they're weird, a lot of ppl really dislike them lol
you may like medea or hel better than the other two aspects, they play so differently they may as well be different weapons 🤷

[static badger]

I feel so slow

Mel slug build

[steep galleon]

Skulls are some of my favorites I like all the aspects

[static badger]

she moves like Hecate hit her with morph

[edgy nacelle]

how are you playing them and which aspect are you using...?

[steep galleon]

Skulls are like the most mobile weapon man

[edgy nacelle]

if she feels THAT slow that sounds like something is going wrong lol, or you may enjoy ignoring omega attacks more than you are rn

[static badger]

no it's the bosses

it takes so long for a good hit and the crap on the screen is too much lol

I need her to sprint like she didn't just get knee replacement surgery

[dim flame]

dual moonshot, giga moonburst, heroic apollo special, and exceptional talent is an utterly deranged build, i didnt even need blitz

[edgy nacelle]

ooh yeah if you're doing omega specials then blitz on attack is less relevant! if you're doing dash strike + special combos it goes rly hard tho

[brazen echo]

does mel skull even use omegas?

[edgy nacelle]

it can 🤷

[brazen echo]

think i have better success just spamming attack

though when used like that hel skull feels like a better mel

[edgy nacelle]

it's slower but it's an option, and they still get boosted by the passive
I like spamming attack more, but if I'm in the mood for an omega attack build with exceptional talent or something mel skull is fun

[viral yew]

I play mel skul like medea, attack and then special

[surreal hazel]

Twisting crash exists

[proven imp]

hey a quick question, I always go Strength but when I'm in DD mood idk what Arcana to bring, care to share your arcana when play with Death?

[signal coral]

did you know that prometheus's dodge move can dodge being killed by winter harvest???

because that just happened to me and I actually thought it was bugged for a second

also winter harvest doesnt proc on him a second time so you have to actually kill him normally

[signal coral]

do you have endgame keepsakes or no?

[proven imp]

I still have 2 not unlocked by far

btw very nice profile pic

[signal coral]

this is my generic death page, can swap out sorceress, wayward son, or lovers optionally to take other stuff (most commonly swift runner, huntress, night)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1377540616690597908/1427188596129005618/image.png?ex=68edf475&is=68eca2f5&hm=2e6a99b41a472bfee4eacc4a2d05c42c20f33b9b9bd86361c0eef63d563e95aa&

[proven imp]

thx!

[signal coral]

if you want to run with no rerolls I would recommend removing the two reroll cards and putting the extra grasp into some combination of swift runner, huntress, night, eternity, artificer, excellence

depending on preference

[proven imp]

Ok! was thinking about a similar line too, I usually play w/ 0 rerolls and take what I get

[wet grove]

I got exceptional talent on Eos torches and I cant tell what it even does

oh nvm the daybreaker pulses fire twice, rad

[edgy nacelle]

it doesn't work on torch specials on any aspect, annoyingly
on Eos it makes your daybreaker pulse twice- ah yes you just said so

I WISH it doubled Ω specials on torches, no idea why it doesn't and Eos would love that </3

[wet grove]

yeah I just didnt see it mid combat and tried it outside

[solemn vale]

what special boon should i look for with aspect of moros? ive been using hera special and hestia atk, but i heard zeus special was wayyy more dps, could i get some isight on this

[cinder palm]

Wait reckless abandon and air quality have a huge synergy what

[edgy nacelle]

personally I do zeus special + hera attack most of the time

[solemn vale]

yeah i think ill aim for something like that

been wondering what the best mana regen boon is though

been using hestia and it felt pretty consistent

[cinder palm]

It's born gain, it's always born gain 😔

[solemn vale]

oh ive seen that one

i didnt understanding the wording tbh

[humble dagger]

Say you have common born gain lv1, which says it primes 20 magick every time you run out of magick. That means if you have 100 magick, used them all, born gain will prime 20 magick - meaning subtract 20 magick from your max magick pool - and restores all your magick.

[wet grove]

born gain is the best at restoring magick but for torches, hestia gain is pretty much just as good unless you do things like fine line and push your costs super high. Also mandatory glamour gain for curse shoutout

[humble dagger]

So 0/100 -> 0/80 -> 80/80

[solemn vale]

so is that a per location thing?

[humble dagger]

Yep

[solemn vale]

ah ok tyvm

[humble dagger]

Anyway what are the best core boons for morrigan? Does poseidon/hestia attack still work well with it? For special I'm thinking like Ares or Hera or Demeter

[solemn vale]

why torches specifically if i may ask?

[wet grove]

because torches does a ton of hits

with attacks and specials both

its on hit magick restore so the more hits you do the better value you get, and torches does both pretty much the most amount of hits out of the weapons, and can keep hitting at any range

plus if you use moros or melinoe torches then Oattack costs 5, and a basic hestia gain restores 5 per attack you hit, so ýou can infinitely attack if you have it

[solemn vale]

gotcha tyvm for the insight

[brittle wave]

I am quite new to the 2nd game, so idk which combo to use for the staff. What combo should I use?

[surreal hazel]

Nova strike. But multihit boons work well on attack, yes

The attack chain is 11x3, 33x3, over a pretty wide area

[surreal hazel]

If you're still new, I'd honestly just experiment with what you're served since you don't have a lot of control over what choices you're given yet

Staff can be tooled into a lot of things, but it's on the more rapid attacking side

[surreal hazel]

Per non omega hit. This can play against you if you get sudden burst

With enough omega speed, your attack combo becomes one regular shot and a stream of omegas, and cardio gain does little to help you here

(Torch omega channelling speed is a complex thing)

[split igloo]

what grasp to use if my weapon is aspact of medea

[meager wadi]

what do people think of sister blades in general? besides the hidden aspect

[wet grove]

fun and very strong

artemis is safe and can oneshot the game, pan has fun builds

[brittle wave]

Ic ty it is cause I am on chronos and seem to do little dmg(probaly also due to my boons) and get hit alot because of the omega moves

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, that's also down to using weaker arcana and aspect bonuses. You'll get these

[obtuse sonnet]

https://imgur.com/a/qf7yuYK

What do yall think of my thanatos scythe build

[steep galleon]

Are you alternating o attack and o special, cause if not Night does nothing on this setup

I would deactivate it and activate furies in any case

[feral marsh]

Was about to say

[obtuse sonnet]

Oo good point, i wasnt aware that night required multiple o moves

I assumed any combo with o move

[steep galleon]

Omega combo is basically alternating different omegas one after the other, if you keep using just one over and over it won't activate

[obtuse sonnet]

Gotchu

[surreal hazel]

Get huntress instead

[obtuse sonnet]

Huntress or furies could work

[steep galleon]

Both is best if you ask me

[obtuse sonnet]

Remove persistance maybe?

[steep galleon]

Definitely not, I'd remove eternity

[obtuse sonnet]

I see, this way i can also have messenger

Would you prefer death over strength here?

[steep galleon]

It all depends on you and how confident you are

[obtuse sonnet]

The 20% dmg does sound nice, but with death i have 120% extra hp, which works better than damage reduction at higher hp caps

I'm certainly split between the two

We all know the true best build tho

https://imgur.com/a/jwudb44

[rain wagon]

I'm not understanding this

[obtuse sonnet]

Dd is effectively extra health

Each pop is 40% heal

[rain wagon]

works better than damage reduction at higher hp caps
This part doesn't make sense to me

[obtuse sonnet]

Ah, well say ive got 100 hp, -40% damage reduction will negate 40 damage before i die

Now that i said it like this it stopped making sense actually

Maybe it doesnt matter

[rain wagon]

Ah, if you're gonna compare which is better defensively, then you need to consider healing

[obtuse sonnet]

Mhm?

[rain wagon]

Because if you have sources of healing, Strength gets proporionately better than Death

[obtuse sonnet]

Yeah that makes sense,

[rain wagon]

On Vow of Scars 3, for example, Death is objectively better (in almost every situation), because you'll have 0 healing (some exceptions)

[obtuse sonnet]

Gotchu, i have a question regarding apollo self healing tho

Does it matter wether you have dmg reduction or no?

As in would the healing be of less value

[rain wagon]

Can't say for sure, but I believe it's only the damage you take (post reduction)

That said, any damage you take to armor, also counts for Self Healing

[obtuse sonnet]

Oo good to know

[rain wagon]

And since damage reductions don't apply to damage you take to armor, you can get a lot of healing with boons like Security System

[obtuse sonnet]

Who's boon is that again

[junior trail]

heph

[obtuse sonnet]

Yeah can imagine, 25 hp if you manage to break the shield

A bit less than that

And thats only for common lvl1

[rain wagon]

Most enemies can't deal much more than 75 damage in 7 seconds, Vow of Pain & Frenzy exists though

[obtuse sonnet]

Im too scared to do high fear runs, still crawling my way up with the axe

Best i did was 12 fear XD

Although denial feels like a positive rather than a negative

I cant play without it anymore XD

[wet grove]

positive how?

[obtuse sonnet]

Easier to fish for specific boons

And ive had much more success getting legendaries with it, i think it also helps with that although im not entirely sure

[humble dagger]

Hmm okay, I might stick with hestia for now then. What about special? And are there any tips for using morrigan? Heard it's pretty different from regular blades.

[wet grove]

Morrigan plays differently in that you rely basically 0% on the weapons own damage and instead almost entirely on the triad and god effects. Hephaestus and Zeus boons are especially strong on it since you hit few times but want big damage from each

so zeus attack/special + hephaestus attack/special (one of each kinda), glow and bigger blast boons from hephaestus, and other curses to proc origination

hammers are also giga important on it

[strong mesa]

I dont even use denial for 32 fear

[flint widget]

yk what would be a fun idea, a 40 fear underworld fun run in which u guys get to choose my weapon, aspect, keepsakes, rooms, familiars and boons to take (except fear, arcana, and j pom start to make it fair)

[edgy nacelle]

sounds fun tbh
you have to remain at Fate's Whim and the Server's Whim

[flint widget]

ok just give me a moment to eat my lunch and this begins

[edgy nacelle]

I'll prob go to bed before you're finished fair warning, so rope some other ppl in before it starts lol, maybe from discussion

[flint widget]

ok sure

[humble dagger]

Ah okay, Zeus on attack and Hephaestus on special sounds like a good combo

So the idea is to use attack, special and omega attack to proc triad?

[edgy nacelle]

yes, but also you can get a lot of raw damage out of morrigan, the omega attack hits hard with the right boons. imo it's very versatile, you can run most gods on it and do well 🤷 I've had runs where triad, blitz, scorch, and Ω attack are at the top of my damage chart at the end, it rly varies

if possible you also want to combo it so that you get 4 stacks of blood triad out of just 3 moves, i.e. your special applies a stack on the way out and another on the way back to you (because the triad has already popped by then, either because the first hit of special triggered it or you were just fast with the combo)

but with the right hammers you can even ignore the blood triad and just focus on attack spam lol, altho I don't rly prefer that. again, just... crazy versatile weapon

[wet grove]

the usual combo I do is Oattack, special, attack, as that dashes you melee range on the enemy and has the fastest combo time. But you can trigger it faster if you get to pre-place Ocast. You can also get multiple triggers in a row if the Oattack hits again after the first proc, the special hits when flying back, and you do another attack.

You have to practice a bit with it to get the hang of how and when you'll proc triad

important note is that its not attack special Oattack to trigger it, its attack for bottom left, special for bottom right, and ANY omega move hit for the top third

again, takes some experimentation and practice to get into the swing of it. I spent a good couple runs thinking it was attack special cast, and did negative dps because i kept waiting for Ocast to hit

[bitter ice]

If i press alter on a triple reward with deadilus hammer, will the hammer roll?

[wet grove]

the hammer will also be changed yes

[stray notch]

Ok guys, i might be dumb af but how do you dodge typhoon head bump? I have 150h in the game and still can't figure out if there is a timing or a direction I should go

[flint widget]

did a 40 fear underworld fun run with pan trick knives and wow is it op

like trick knives turns pan from a d tier aspect to a s tier immediately

[wet grove]

if you mean the chin smash you dodge away to the bottom of the screen, but if you're right up at the top edge of the platform, you're 90% certain to get hit unless you predict it and move back a bit early

[stray notch]

Ok that's why... I need to dodge down 🥲
I was going left/right

[edgy nacelle]

you can i-frame it but it's such a high damage attack that unless you're confident it's safer to just create distance tbh, yeah. if I feel like I'm playing well and my timing is good I try to stay close but running is safe lol

[wet grove]

yeah dont

[lean yoke]

woo, figured out how to beat rivals polyphemus better

the first fight i lost 2 death defiances but i just did it without losing any

🥳

[flint widget]

been a while since i played axe, took j pom, got psychic first try and wow i had forgotten how op nergal with psychic is

[bleak gale]

Does Wound doesn't differentiate its original source? Like if I apply Wound with Attack, my Special cannot do extra dmg until its CD is over?

[viral yew]

Yes

[bleak gale]

Isn't that, bad?

[viral yew]

Yea, but you never want to take the same curse on attack and special anyway

Plus outside of niche cases wounds is kinda buns

[clever drum]

but grievous sounds great, though

[viral yew]

Grievous is a scam

Blood spree is ok, cut above is good, some really nice duos too

Core boons you never want to take unless you're speedrunning w medea/playing high fear

[lime flax]

but fourth degree just solos hard

like what is that damage.

[ivory patrol]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/14654117153686619505/65604CB604B4F2672A4199DE61818C7650CCF40E/

Apollo Sprint + Aphro Gain makes 24 fear manageable

[surreal hazel]

Mutual Destruction is honestly much better

gives you damage when you really need it, plays very nice with blood spree

[surreal hazel]

+300 power and goes very well with Rallying Cry if you get it going. Yeah it's throwing a nuke

[junior dome]

do you take 2 ranks of fangs going for 24/32 fear?

[shy moat]

legendaries are a different pool, denial only helps with them by making it easier to get prereqs

[obtuse sonnet]

Thank you for the confirmation, still a w for me

[shy moat]

yeah I enjoy using it too

[uncut quiver]

trying to clear great chaos above really just proves how inferior death defiances are😭 i havent played with DDs since early access and now i am forced to keep playing with it so i can clear my last prophecy💔

[delicate sorrel]

What are some fun weapons / aspects to grind stuff to upgrade? Basically still good at lower levels and not Mel staff or Mel skulls

I finished the main story spamming skulls, now want to experiment with others

[viral yew]

Shiva

[delicate sorrel]

Something something nominative determinism

[shy moat]

there's a lot of variety, I'd try just playing with a new aspect of whatever the bonus bone weapon is and see how much you like it 😄

if you just want to wreck things with a very different playstyle than skulls, circe staff is strong and easy

[ivory patrol]

Yes, is that the enemy speed one? Yea because you just have to get used to it and it’ll slow down again in your mind

[shy moat]

that's frenzy

fangs is bonus special abilities for armored targets

[versed nexus]

I like Circe's aspect on the staff because I looooove cast builds (on the staff specifically, hate axe)

[delicate sorrel]

That’s the double cast one, right? Tried that actually but felt very clunky aligning baddies with the leash(?), maybe will give it another shot

[versed nexus]

Oh just forget about the leash all that aspect is good for is the double cast

[steep galleon]

Neither great chaos run gave me dd's interestingly

For surface I didn't even have strength 😂

[delicate sorrel]

Yeah leaving the decision to the game is a good call

For reference after about ~150ish runs my comfort pick was Beowulf with Stygian Dio cast in H1

[uncut quiver]

i unfortunately havent run into a random strength loadout on my runs😭

[versed nexus]

Double gust? Double prominence flare? Double Zeus cast? Double Poseidon omega cast upgrade? YES PLEASE

[shy moat]

the nominative deterministic suggestion might work very well for you, then

[delicate sorrel]

Wait, is that a neat joke about beowulf the poem or am I missing something

[shy moat]

[5:45 AM]Shiva (Australian): Shiva
[5:46 AM]detour: Something something nominative determinism

[delicate sorrel]

Yeah that was my joke, I will check it out though

[shy moat]

just +1'ing the suggestion if beowulf from 1 was your relaxing go-to, shiva seems like it could be a pretty good fit.

Or you'll hate it.

[delicate sorrel]

Ah I get it now

[lean yoke]

Gah, chronos secret weapon is 'my fingers are too cold to button mash efficiently'

[junior dome]

so, do people run 2 levels of fangs early on or is that a later fear to take?

[sudden inlet]

Later fear. 2 Fangs can easily end up being a run ender if you roll poor RNG on what they get.

Minimum you should do fangs 2 on is 24 and higher so you really don't need it for Oath of the Unseen at all

[unborn spear]

Does ||Athena||'s keepsake work beyond ||Prometheus||?

[sudden inlet]

Yes.

[junior dome]

im doing 24 and 32 right now

through frankly armored mobs are a minimal problem, mostly rivals scylla and eris mopping the floor with me

[paper tapir]

is there anything else that can gather enemies like aphro cast?

[wet grove]

twilight curse

[sudden inlet]

The only advice I can offer on Rivals Scylla is going for Roxy is a bait and switch, the Charybdis tentacles are what turn the arena into a bullet hell.

[junior dome]

yeah, i think there's a certain dps point where you can focus them down before they melee swing

roxy is the drummer?

i always prioritized her pre rivals, but maybe just dodging the drums is a better strat post
because yeah, karybdis is awful

I just really want to keep rivals 2 on because in theory once you get past them its free fear for the hardest regions

[dire shell]

Is the “more duo” card worth it? It’s awkward if you’re playing at fates’ whim

[sudden inlet]

Yes, and in the Rivals fight she intentionally has the water spouts near her to keep you from focus firing her again.

[junior dome]

yeah, ez on ranged, PITA for melee

[junior dome]

worth what? duo doesn't cost grip, so i'd say just take the rest of your cards for their own sakes and dont go out of your way to include/exclude the duo card's activation requirements

[dire shell]

It absolutely has a cost, is that cost worth it? I take that as a no

[junior dome]

are we looking at different cards? Queen costs 0 and increases the chance of duo boons

[dire shell]

… It costs “can’t equip more than 2 of the same cost card”…

[junior dome]

yeah lol

[lean crypt]

do you like peas

[junior dome]

so if you have void off probably not going to happen, if you have it on you can

[shy moat]

really depends if the build you're aiming for needs a duo

If at fates whim ... probably not?

[dire shell]

It seems solid if you’re using rerolls, it’s pretty cheap I think

But once you only have death & strength as options for 4… not great

[shy moat]

yeah my fates whim setup doesn't have it active

not that I think it's a great setup or anything, but I couldn't make it fit 😛

[surreal hazel]

everyone finds that

[shy moat]

there's too many good 1 costs when you take as many hits as I do >.>

[junior dome]

do you all generally have the bottem left 4 (boatman and dice cards) all active when not doing fates whim?

[flint widget]

yes

[sudden inlet]

Yes, Rosebud frozen peas. Full of country goodness and green pea-ness.

[lean crypt]

hehehehe there it is

[turbid crescent]

how the hell do yall even deal with prometheus

His attack patterns are crazy

[surreal hazel]

learn that there is actually a pattern

depends on the phase

[flint widget]

his attacks are simple to dodge especially with no frenzy

but i could say that to literally any boss

[surreal hazel]

every attack he has has a big and small version

in phase one it's just big attacks, with a big pause between them

[flint widget]

with no frenzy every boss winds up their attacks like an elden ring boss

[surreal hazel]

second it's small, small, big, with little gap until the end

phase three it's big small small big, iiirc

[obtuse sonnet]

How do you guys say i should go about trying max fear?

Do i go straight for max or should i gradually increase

[shy moat]

turn it all on, if you die so fast you can't figure out what killed you scale it down to where you could clear and start pushing up

[obtuse sonnet]

Sounds like a decent plan, i'm already losing to the screamy thingies in erebrus

[shy moat]

yeah; just losing without being able to see the way to improve will eventually get you there but it's much slower

[obtuse sonnet]

Mhm, i think ill do a few runs with fangs and shadow only at first

And rivals maybe

Everything else seems manageable

[shy moat]

probably should do everything with frenzy 2 to get used to the attack speeds

[obtuse sonnet]

Fair

[hallow cobalt]

Just got charon axe last night

Big combo potential but it feels like you have to slot machine a good cast/hex combo

[brazen echo]

Not really

As soon as you get lucid gain you're off to the races

[uneven palm]

Here’s how https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDfSTMw9qsI

[bitter ice]

does the hades boon that gives dmg basde on deaths defiance work with athena's death defiance?

[flint widget]

stalwart stand?

yeah it does

with it u can cheese most enemies by losing stalwart every chamber

[nova nimbus]

wait i never thought of that

[flint widget]

u could probably get last gasp to like 200+% if u committed to losing stalwart and getting athena in erebus

[obtuse roost]

oh that's funny, i imagine it doesn't work with moros pin though right?

[flint widget]

does pin count as a dd tho

cuz if it is thats big for this type of cheesing

[obtuse roost]

idk it's weird cuz i think it disables strength

[flint widget]

but like i remember i had gift x3 hit pin, i took amulet in tart and athena still appeared despite me having pin

so ion think its a dd

[tulip pier]

how should I go about targetting demeter legendary, its like the very last one i have yet to get

[flint widget]

check the pre reqs

[tulip pier]

i tried however when i try to force her in the first region im pretty quickly getting 3 different gods and she leaves the pool

[nova nimbus]

gods dont leave the pool if you bring them in via keepsake, its just luck i fear

try getting heroic dem cored and using forced sacrifice to reroll your other cores

[meager wadi]

How does the god pool work ?

[surreal hazel]

once you have 4 core boon givers, the game will only roll those 4 when it rolls a boon for a room reward

Hermes is separate

[nova nimbus]

^ but if you take a keepsake, it adds that god to the pool

[surreal hazel]

yeah, you can force them in if you want to not a great idea usually though

[nova nimbus]

i think its also generated at the start of a run, so you cant roll and choose your pool

[flint widget]

is 40 fear a fun amount of fear to play with or am i crazy for thinking that way

[static badger]

I am realllllly having trouble with Scylla upgraded

[patent bison]

i'm trying yo get better at him too but as long as you don't get hit by the memory game, you can just blast him and most of the time you won't die on low fear

[untold ridge]

if you have 4 gods in the pool, and buy a hermes random olympian boon, do we know if it randomizes only from your 4 god pool or from all the olympian gods regardless of pool?

i’ve been playing since pre-warsong and haven’t figured this out

[static badger]

how do I stop from dodging into projectiles

[turbid crescent]

what

[static badger]

there's too much crap on the screen in the Scylla unrivalled fight

[untold ridge]

deal with ||charybdis|| first, might help the clutter?

[static badger]

didn't help

it's the second stage I struggle with

[surreal hazel]

Random boons will only roll pooled gods if you have 4

[patent bison]

blast the drummer, then you can either corner the guitarist away or circle all the tentacles

[surreal hazel]

Decided at the point you open it

[untold ridge]

if there’s a certain attack that keep getting you, they are specific to the sirens, so maybe focus on the one that gets you the most

[static badger]

the drummer is always the featured artist

It's the big AOE attack or the fishies

there's nowhere to go

cast isn't helping enough

also just projectiles in general

[patent bison]

it's not a fight that is that hard once you get rid of roxy you can abuse the mobility, scylla can't follow you, the tentacles can't move and the guitarist doesn't do heavy damage

[static badger]

the problem is they come back

[shy moat]

generally killing a few tentacles to open space is good, killing all the tentacles shuts down the bullet spam in the second phase

[static badger]

I get to the end and I'm out of health

[shy moat]

that's how having problems with a fight usually works >.>

[untold ridge]

have you looked at any videos of other people doing scylla unrivaled?

[flint widget]

boated released a guide on the first two rivals bosses of both routes so thats helpful

[patent bison]

i don't have much experience on the fight but i beat it the second time, what helped is not to stand around near the tentacles abuse the dash to hit them and go away if you make a circle path around the arena you can kill them without worrying

[static badger]

How in the Christ are they staying up top when the drummer hits the aoe

[flint widget]

the corners to the top of roxy?

[static badger]

yea

[flint widget]

ngl the most annoying part of rivals scylla is the fact that the waterjets near roxy exist

i cant tell u how many times ive lost lovers barriers cuz of em

especially on high fear they suck ass

[meager wadi]

Core boons are the atk special magik gain dash and cast right

[tough vapor]

aspect of nergal with the heaven splitter hammer feels like a warcrime stick lmao, especially with apollo and I bet aphro too

[surreal hazel]

yes

but that's not what I mean

[static badger]

I wonder is it my character who's sluggish or is it my game

[surreal hazel]

core boon givers as in, olympians who aren't hermes, athena, artemis or dionysus

[meager wadi]

Oh gotcha

[patent bison]

just try different things, my winning rate went up when i started doing runs with both chaos and icarus keepsake with strength

[flint widget]

if u get godsent total eclipse it cheeses rivals scylla so hard

[static badger]

I do this lol

[flint widget]

even more so if u get pyro technique

[patent bison]

oh, then git good

[untold ridge]

do you use a certain weapon/aspect most of the time?

[static badger]

no

although I've never liked the skulls or the cape

the axe is too slow too

[untold ridge]

you don’t like the skulls?

[static badger]

no

[flint widget]

have u ever tried medea skull with literally anything

[untold ridge]

medea is stupid powerful and really easy to build/play

[flint widget]

hel with poseidon waves

persephone with heph blasts

[low pond]

counterpoint: medea is bad for your fingers (in more ways that one)

[untold ridge]

zeus special + literally anything for attack on medea does wonders

[flint widget]

mel skull for wide grin possessed array shenanigans

[shy moat]

gotta get used to what hurts you on touch though

[untold ridge]

i use an xbox elite controller on my pc so i just use the paddles on the back

[flint widget]

with j pom medea becomes even more cracked

literally anything can work with j pom medea

[patent bison]

also autofire makes you a progamer is what i've learnt

[static badger]

what is j pom

[flint widget]

even a hot garbage build like hestia attack demeter special can win runs

i won 58 fear underworld with that build

[shy moat]

jewelled pom

[untold ridge]

it’s a keepsake unlocked post-credits

[static badger]

oh

[untold ridge]

you definitely don’t need jeweled pom for medea to pop off. it’s plenty strong on its own

[flint widget]

yeah

[static badger]

well beating the base game is easy but these new bosses are crazy sometimes

[flint widget]

id say rivals polyphemus, eris, and cerby are free

[untold ridge]

yeah learning some of the rivals took time, but imo EM4 hades was harder to learn than any of the rivals fights

[static badger]

never played Hades 1

[untold ridge]

ah

[flint widget]

if ur playing with no frenzy all rivals bosses are trivial tbh

they wind up their attacks like an elden ring boss

[static badger]

no frenzy but my character moves like a lead brick

[untold ridge]

you could always get some defense in the mix. heph, dem, and hermes all have defensive options

[flint widget]

what weapons and aspects do u usually play

[static badger]

torches, knives

[patent bison]

just did rival prometheus and i don't think it's trivial when you have two mobile bosses who fire projectiles

[flint widget]

when u know their patterns theyre ez but i could say the same for literally any boss

[untold ridge]

you could always equip the lovers arcana while you’re getting used to unrivaled bosses. could make it easier

[flint widget]

the strat for blades is just get trick knives

ur life will be so so so much easier once u get trick knives

especially with pan

[static badger]

I had a run recently where no Daedalus hammers showed up at all

[flint widget]

no hammers is crazy tho

[static badger]

used up all my fates and no hammer

[flint widget]

ig the fates hates u

[daring nexus]

I've been struggling immensely with the Vow of Frenzy, and I'm wondering if it's reasonable to do all the Testaments without activating it?

[patent bison]

i don't think that's possible or it has to be a 1/100000 chance

[static badger]

I'm a lottery winner I guess

[flint widget]

yeah its reasonable

[untold ridge]

i do frenzy 1, frenzy 2 is the last thing i’d equip

too much sometimes fr

[flint widget]

id take max frenzy over max pain or scars any day of the week tho

[patent bison]

just like the first game, it is pretty much coded so that you get two hammers for the end fight

[untold ridge]

yeah afaik it’ll force them in charon shops if you don’t pick them during the run

[static badger]

why in the world were they not in mine?

[flint widget]

bad rng

[untold ridge]

man idk

maybe you don’t salute charon enough at his shops

[static badger]

I usually expect them at the fields but nothing

[flint widget]

i havent played enough with torches to give advice on it

i can probably tell u what to do with eos or supay tho

[untold ridge]

i don’t play torches much

[flint widget]

im more of a staff/skull guy tbh

[untold ridge]

haelian just made a vid of the best aspects for each weapon so maybe try out some of those

circe staff is a blast

[static badger]

every run is different tho

what works for him might not work for me

[flint widget]

mel staff, circe staff, and medea skull are s tier aspects

[untold ridge]

i mean you build them around a god or two and those can be forced

[static badger]

esp since I'm cursed lol

[untold ridge]

i’d give them a shot. worst thing is you die and change to something else

but the build are very strong

[flint widget]

plus most of the top tier aspects are really really good

[untold ridge]

damage won’t be an issue for sure

[flint widget]

especially if u unlock the hidden aspects

all of them are pretty damn good i have to say

[static badger]

also I guess I might be getting lag in this fight a little

[empty moat]

for the aspect of ||shiva|| the best build is apollo/aphrodite attack, apollo cast and hera gain right ?

[static badger]

the rest of the game runs fine

[untold ridge]

i don’t think i’ve ever played shiva so i can’t say

[flint widget]

ive played a little bit of shiva so heres my take

take night

cuz night cycling is literally part of the aspect

u omega special then omega attack then repeat

for the build