h2-builds-and-combat

[shrewd fjord]

ANOTHER ONE?!! I haven’t seen that one yet

[opaque holly]

20% * whatever the base chance is?

[shrewd fjord]

what site build craf

no galan go to sleep it’s 3:30 am you have to go 9am

[opaque holly]

ie why is excellence considered bad

[shrewd fjord]

Death to sleep I must continue playing hades

[surreal hazel]

additive

so lemme explain a bit

basically there's a base chance when the game rolls each slot for rarity

[shrewd fjord]

thinking, cooking, death defy maxing, they can’t kill me if I can’t die

tron retrospective makes me sleepy…. I NEED TO HADES MAX EHERE ARE THE GOOD LONG VIDEOS

[surreal hazel]

if you have the requirements to get a legendary, the chance is 5% for each of the three slots, if that roll fails it tries to roll a duo, which I believe is also 5% base chance. Failing that, it rolls a chance for epic, then it rolls a chance for a rare (10% base chance?)

[shrewd fjord]

not that 3 hour mythology of I already watched it

[surreal hazel]

but divinity, queen and excellence add their % to those rolls

and also the Yarn of ariadne, Favour chaos boon and miniboss boons have their own bonus chances

Excellence also multiplies your legendary chance by 1.3x

and the game doesn't tell you, but Favour chaos boons adds 10% legendary and Epic chance, no matter what the +% bonus is to rares

[split igloo]

Why am I still getting so many duos even after I turn The Queen off?

[steep galleon]

Alright 32f surface with Mel Axe is cleared

[surreal hazel]

5% chance is more than you think

[steep galleon]

Only underworld left and never playing this weapon again

[surreal hazel]

it rolls it once for each of the three slots

actually duos might be 10% base, I forget

[novel maple]

on morrigan i am still a bit confused as to when the attacks strike enemies that are further away

[surreal hazel]

The omega attack is a triple lockon attack

you can see up to three crosshairs appear when you channel it

you move towards the first one and hit it, then crosshairs 2 and 3 get struck shortly afterwards

[opaque holly]

So with both you’re looking at 70% for high rarity? Epic+?

[surreal hazel]

As in, the odds of getting a not-common in a slot?

[opaque holly]

Yeah

[surreal hazel]

yeah with all three, seeing a common is somewhat rare

[opaque holly]

I guess rare isn’t that big of an upgrade for most things

[surreal hazel]

but here's a weird thing

after it selects the rarity to put in a slot, it then tries to select a possible boon at that rarity (if it can't then it just pretends that roll never happened and rolls for the next rarity)

but... Infusions have no rarity (except Chant)

they can only appear if the slot is rolled as a common

[opaque holly]

Loool

[surreal hazel]

so if you have a lot of rarity boosting effects, infusions become increasingly rare

[opaque holly]

That is annoying

Infusions are generally better boons on average from what I’ve seen

[surreal hazel]

ironically, Proper Upbringing is an infusion that locks out seeing a lot of other infusions

[fossil yoke]

What the hell, p3 unrivaled typhon bugged out? no red lasers from tongue slam and beam tongue

[surreal hazel]

you mean the very final phase after child mel?

[fossil yoke]

yes

[surreal hazel]

that's intentional, it's a victory lap phase

[opaque holly]

Is chaos generally worth taking?

[surreal hazel]

he has deliberately weak attacks during it so you can just pound on him

[novel maple]

generally it depends 🙂

[opaque holly]

I feel like with rerolls it’s safe ish

But no rerolls seems too scary

[split igloo]

I was done with him after he took forever to give me my prophecy.

[fossil yoke]

Hmm then was it bugged before, cause i could swear I had even after child phase still attacks from him

he did all animations, but no actual damage this time

[surreal hazel]

he always starts the phase with a single headcannon shot, and the tounge slam itself can hurt you

[novel maple]

chaos is good if the next rooms are minor rewards, and you have hp to spare, and they are early in a biome, and you have rerolls

[surreal hazel]

but apart from that he's choosing from a set of attack scripts that literally have "weak" suffixed on the move names internally

[ionic stag]

Is rapid attack build in this game generally weaker than nuke builds? I feel like there’s built in cooldown for a lot of the flat dmg boons

[fossil yoke]

hmm interesting

[split igloo]

Problem is, you get chaos on room 4 or 5, the curse will be active during a boss fight more likely than not.

[surreal hazel]

a lot of such things do, but then Vow of Wards exists so....

[wise swallow]

Ok I think I got this moros build off the ground, who should i go for after grabbing hestia/hephaestus keepsakes

[fossil yoke]

I'll look back some footage maybe, again I swear I had the same attacks still after child phase before, but maybe I'M just misremembering and it was before child phase and I just oneshot afterwards.. thanks 😄

[surreal hazel]

you can still get suckerpunched by the headcannon shot

but he doesn't have the sweeper laser, slam combo or chin strike

and the headcannon is a singe shot not the triple shot

[surreal hazel]

Flash fry, because you need more KABOOM

Go to chaos with Chronos' keepsake and thank chaos for the 450 gold

and free room

[split igloo]

Thanks, was looking for a use for that before I upgrade it and never touch it again.

[surreal hazel]

Also just take it to the fields and turn random bits of dust and 5hp bonuses into 200 gold

or poms for 300 gold because single poms are so bad

[split igloo]

I had so much health earlier, my mutual destruction chance got to 70 percent. I take the health.

[surreal hazel]

single poms when everything is already level 4 because of jewelled pom are even worse

[wise swallow]

Dont have it actually

oop i do have flash fry already though

[surreal hazel]

Good choice

[ionic stag]

Do i permanently keep the chaos blessing after unequipping the chaos keepsake?

[wise swallow]

Plus the hestia/hephaestus duo too

and this is just the first area

[surreal hazel]

honestly once moros is going you can just roll with what you've got now, you're good to go

[surreal hazel]

Oddly, yes!

[ionic stag]

Thx

[surreal hazel]

it just won't reroll

[ionic stag]

I’m just looking for reasons to convince myself to use it more lol

[surreal hazel]

it's a gamble, but it's pretty nice

If you take it at the start of the run, it will have changed by the time you can swap it out

but sometimes it's nice to have Affluence or Favour at the start of a run and then get it replaced with Strike, Flourish or Cast

it can reroll its boon into the same thing btw...

but it will never roll Chant unless you have at least 1 Aether element

nor will it ever roll Defiance

[ionic stag]

I just feel its kinda underwhelming in general 😕 even when it rolls in my favor I still find other keepsakes like chronos/poms/pin/antler more impactful

[half kindle]

Best boons for Lim and Oros? Thinking Poseidon and Hephaestus but not quite sure. Apollo maybe?

[surreal hazel]

Which aspect

[surreal hazel]

if you already have the lategame keepsakes then yeah it's just okay, can be a final zone pick if nothing else looks relevant

[opaque holly]

Is there a resource that explains reward breakdowns for underworld/overworld? like # of rooms, which ones will be minor major, etc

[half kindle]

Melinöe's

[surreal hazel]

can go a few ways honestly

if you get hestia or posideon, rapidly attacking to stack their effects is good, if you get +% givers, you can go for omega attacks

heaven flourish works nicely on normal specials since you can spread blitz everywhere, same with Sworn Flourish

[wise swallow]

and then I randomly stumble upon Brave Face

[surreal hazel]

bonuses to base attack power like Wicked Onslaught, Slow Cooker and Secret Crush makes the blades's attack combo MUCH better

[surreal hazel]

Sorta

the game tries to steer the ratio of minors and majors to a particular ratio for a particular region, but it's still ultimately random

and that ratio obviously gets more Major-stacked as the game progresses

[ionic stag]

Although it attacks more rapid than most other weapons, it still has a good base damage, so both percentage/flat dmg work on it. But realistically speaking, go zeus, blitz base dmg too good

[wise swallow]

are there hammers or boons that make my moros omega specials last longer

[surreal hazel]

Yes, Enduring Coil

+2 seconds

[wise swallow]

Is that a hammer or a boon

[surreal hazel]

hammer

[wise swallow]

Thanks!

[surreal hazel]

Boons never interact with weapon-specific functions

[wise swallow]

oh, noted

[opaque holly]

Does that affect artificer somehow? Guessing no because you roll the reward AFTER beating the room and having it in front of you

So artificer skews it harder toward major

[surreal hazel]

Basically yeah

[opaque holly]

Seems that artificer also isn’t usually recommended though lol

[surreal hazel]

it's looking at the ratio of the number of times it made the exits to a room be minor or major iirc

[opaque holly]

Oh nice. That’s somehow more fun than a predictable order that I have to memorize

[surreal hazel]

the fact you did a little smithing doesn't change that

[surreal hazel]

Plus NPC, shop and chaos rooms let you bypass a minor room set, sometimes

[opaque holly]

Ah true

[surreal hazel]

There's also the "bag" system for major rewards that ultimately tries to normalise how much you see hearts, tonics, poms, hammers, hermes and other boons you see on a run

if each door reward was truly random, you'd get some runs where you get boons every time, and others where it just gives you mana tonics all the time because RNGesus, so they made a system to smooth that out a bit

[ionic stag]

I think the major/minor reward chance is different in each region

[opaque holly]

Ohhh. That is amazing and I love it

[surreal hazel]

yeah, it is

[opaque holly]

Smoothing of the stupidity from true randomness is good

[surreal hazel]

yeah, there's a lot of little randomness nudges in the game

like how the first room is always an upgrade of some kind instead of pom, hp or mana, and within a few rooms of that you should always see a boon as an exit option

the first core boon god you talk to will always offer three core boons, at least one of which will be an attack or flourish boon. (Unless you reroll it)

as long as you have a core slot open, every god will always offer a core boon as option 1 (Although sometimes that's a trade boon)

so protip, if you're fishing for duos and legendaries fill your core slots because it won't roll a duo or legendary in the first option

[ionic stag]

My lady Aphrodite still insists on trading her glamour gain with my born gain for the fifth time I meet her this night

[surreal hazel]

that's only a 10% chance unless she's run out of other things to offer you

[plain fossil]

If u have denial that happens a lot

U want to at least vaguely keep track

[surreal hazel]

yeah, basically there's a thing where the game has fallbacks if it can't fill every slot in an offering list

(Although it was patched to never offer Duos or Legendaries as fallback options because lol Vow of Denial abuse to force those was a thing in EA)

[ionic stag]

It’s okay, my lady Aphrodite just wants attention

[surreal hazel]

Do you have any of her core boons?

[plain fossil]

Look i enjoyed my 4 legendary runs ok

Let me meme in my single player game

[surreal hazel]

typically gods quickly run out of things to offer you if you don't have their cores since a good chunk of their boons build on their cores in some way

Zeus won't offer you double strike if you have no way to make lightning strike at all, for example

[plain fossil]

Yes, if u dont have cores most gods will offer trade boons on the fourth boon

Because theres nothing else to offer

[surreal hazel]

precisely

[plain fossil]

If ur keeping track of what u want then u usually can be pretty sure of hitting things like static shock by the fourth god boon whereas if u dont have denial u can just get rnged all day

[surreal hazel]

(I'm pretty sure Flash Fry was patched to not need the enemy to be scorched was because of this problem)

(Hestia used to have very little to offer if you couldn't set someone on fire)

[plain fossil]

Flash fry my beloved

Hestia has so many bad boons but i still click it for flash fry

[wise swallow]

Plasma do you think Hera would be good for this build

[plain fossil]

I miss old hestia dash boon, this new one can eat my ass

[surreal hazel]

Hera is never bad

[surreal hazel]

it was so janky and I never took it

plus they turned her legendary into a standard boon..... again

[novel maple]

i took hestia dash boon on surface in EA. just have eris kill herself. good times

[surreal hazel]

but the jank

[novel maple]

it also allowed me to just run at enemies on the ships

[surreal hazel]

sometimes it just didn't work, the rarity and pom scaling was lolpointless

it inflicted so little scorch they didn't add it as an allowable prereq for other boons that need scorch

[plain fossil]

I mean it was a lil buggy sometimes but the new one is just a brick

[surreal hazel]

Fire away is fun though

[opaque holly]

So why is excellence bad?

[surreal hazel]

Supay would disagree

[surreal hazel]

Too expensive for too little of an impact

[opaque holly]

Is boon rarity not that impactful?

[surreal hazel]

in a lot of cases, going from common to rare is... meh

[plain fossil]

Upgrading to rare doesnt do much in most cases

[surreal hazel]

are you really going to notice your attack doing 40% more damage instead of 30%?

[opaque holly]

Nope

[surreal hazel]

it matters occasionally, particularly for hermes

[plain fossil]

And even when its good u often want to phial the boon instead of messing about

[turbid parrot]

mustve been a really bad legendary

[surreal hazel]

twice!

her original legendary was pyro technique, at +100% rate.... back when scorch was 40dps instead of 100

then they gave her firewalk, and everyone said that should be a sprint boon, so they made it that

[ionic stag]

Does scorch count as Olympian dmg? I’m guessing no?

[plain fossil]

Wasnt it 30dps and then buffed to 40

100 feels actually playable, scorch used to suck SO hard

[turbid parrot]

impressive

[plain fossil]

Yea it does

U cant crit with it anymore tho

[wise swallow]

got volcanic Flourish to 2 seconds

[surreal hazel]

It is

[surreal hazel]

40->80->100

Just because you see 100 scorch, doesn't mean 100 damage actually happens

[split igloo]

how come

[ionic stag]

Then why doesn’t it benefit from crit? I’m looking at effectdata now and feel very confused😕

[surreal hazel]

100 scorch * (global + olympian bonuses)

[surreal hazel]

Special exception

[split igloo]

probably since its so many instances of damage

[opaque holly]

I was trying to understand Heph and how it’s viable as offense

Then I realized it really benefits from all the % global

Like furies and origination

[surreal hazel]

And olympian

[opaque holly]

It’s like a half blood triad you get to manually proc every 2 seconds just by attacking

[ionic stag]

Anything with high flat base damage is good in hades 2

[surreal hazel]

And chain reaction, cryo pounder and rude Awakening..

[ionic stag]

Percentage sucks

[surreal hazel]

Grand caldera

[opaque holly]

I should try a Heph build at some point

[surreal hazel]

Percentage is great on heph blasts

[opaque holly]

But I guess you really need either rarity or poms

[surreal hazel]

Both really

[ionic stag]

Talking about percentage attacks and flourish

[opaque holly]

Tons of poms

[surreal hazel]

Good on mel axe

[opaque holly]

I guess you’re guaranteed a couple poms between the biomes

[keen nexus]

I just wanna say that experimental hammer -> mirrored thrasher almost threw my run 😔

[opaque holly]

And can reroll Pom choices right?

[keen nexus]

back to the shadow

[ionic stag]

Not as good and universal

[surreal hazel]

How? Mirrored is incredible

[keen nexus]

idk just not my playstyle ig but i had a primarily omega attack based build, bc mosus? i forgor the name of the aspect

[surreal hazel]

Momus?

[keen nexus]

also not super familiar with chronos stage 3

[surreal hazel]

Mirrored thrasher makes oattack proc 6 times

With momus

[keen nexus]

i thought mirror thrasher only applies to your autos

[surreal hazel]

Says attacks, plural

[keen nexus]

ahh

[surreal hazel]

So both

"Thrasher" also means all attacks for staff

Only one that affects normals gets "whallop" instead

[keen nexus]

interesting I didnt realize it also applied to the omega though i stand corrected it aint that bad

in that case i think i should be more particular about how I spend my mana with it coz that was def a killer

[surreal hazel]

Or a better gain

[keen nexus]

true

im usually fine with the arcana card mana gain with that one since you only cast like every 4 seconds

[surreal hazel]

Lol. Unseen is awful

[keen nexus]

really?

[surreal hazel]

Always get a proper gain

[ionic stag]

I don’t think Arcanas mana gain is ever a good idea lol

[surreal hazel]

Way too expensive

[keen nexus]

mayb i change my cards around

[surreal hazel]

Mebbe

Please say you didn't take excellence too

[ionic stag]

That card doesn’t regenerate your Magick when you are charging omegas iirc

[keen nexus]

i closed the game hold on 👨‍🦯

[ionic stag]

So you generate only half of it practically

Plus it costs so many points

[keen nexus]

lemme uh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1069791253333557261/1425783772439248926/image.png

thats what I run

[surreal hazel]

Unseen is the only issue tbh

[keen nexus]

tbh though I dont really want any of the other ones other than judgement or night ig

[split igloo]

I do the top row, persistence, unseen, death, strength, the lovers, the middle one, the queen, and excellence. Roast me!

[surreal hazel]

Night and persistence then

[keen nexus]

i have persistence already its eternity, which lowk feels like an intro to game crutch

[surreal hazel]

Eternity*

[keen nexus]

rest are rerolls which idrc too much about

[split igloo]

Everytime I reroll it seems to give me 2 out of 3 of the same stuff...

[unkempt mural]

i never used the transcendent embryo keepsake,does it give u activated boon without negative effects?

[lean crypt]

Yes

[keen nexus]

rerolls are helpful sometimes but idk im not super particular about the builds I end up getting

aslong as theres some syngergy between boons its usually a viable run imo tbf tho ive yet to do 33+ fear

[ionic stag]

Boatman is not bad

[surreal hazel]

Yep. And you keep it when you swap keepsake

[split igloo]

Is it a bad strat that sometimes I just take an attack boon and avoid boons and level it up to absurd proportions?

I had 280% Apollo on Anubis earlier 💀

[ionic stag]

You can do it with high rarity blitz boons

[keen nexus]

True.. i tend not to have issues with gold generation tbh idk

like i usually cant afford the 1k item at the end but i can basically afford the rest of the shop

maybe im banking too much on unseen but I like having base mana gain coz sometimes i lowroll a mana gain boon at like encounter 15

[ionic stag]

Idk I just feel like I can put together a build earlier with that gold and snowball better

[keen nexus]

fair fair

ocassionally i cant afford the first shop but i just take the other door if so

[wise swallow]

Does thanatos aspect benefit form sucess rate ?\

[cursive badge]

hey for axe attack boon what should i get?

i have thanatos aspect

[ionic stag]

Tbh most gain boons are better than the card regen, plus you get a chance for duo boons

[split igloo]

Aphrodite if you aren't into specialing. Probably better out there but that's what works for me on that.

[keen nexus]

i feel aphrodite is just S tier mana regen, correct me if im wrong though

[ionic stag]

I’d recommend consider taking born gain whenever you see it, best gain boon on best support god

[ionic stag]

Glamour gain is more for easy origination activation than mana regen to me

Sometimes my omega costs 80 so It just won’t work with glamour gain

[split igloo]

I prefer Ionic Aether or even Cardio Gain or whatever Hestia's is called. Glamour gain only if I'm feeling nasty with Scorch.

[keen nexus]

is born gain the one from hera?

[wise swallow]

yes

[serene osprey]

https://i.imgur.com/0h9kgxY.png

Which should I select from these

[keen nexus]

remembering the time i was fighting typhon with only autos

[plain fossil]

yea glamour gain is kinda ass at actually giving u mana back ngl

the curse is the selling point, glamour gain is the gain i angle for on non-mana builds

[keen nexus]

im a little bit too stupid to watch my mana

[ionic stag]

Then born gain is for you

[plain fossil]

if ur missing a lot of DDs, then DDs

if ur not missing a lot of DDs, then DDs

if ur missing zero DDs, then u wouldnt be offered DDs

if DD then DD, hades is an ez game

[cursive badge]

hey for axe attack boon what should i get?
i have thanatos aspect i thought that ares was good on the axe is it still?

[keen nexus]

nah like I outprimed myself for the typhon fight when i got it one time, was kinda funny ngl

its a good boon though 100%

[blissful niche]

wait, is it true that, if you pick the Experimental Hammer keepsake and get an Anvil of Fates, you give up your random temporary hammer effect and get TWO permanent ones?

hm on the other hand, even if, Anvil of Fates is so rare

[surreal hazel]

that can happen, but a temporary or perm hammer doesn't mean much when you have one room left

[ionic stag]

The chance of getting my life ruined by a random hammer doubled 👍

[surreal hazel]

Anvil should never be taken if you have good hammers

one good and two bad hammers < two good ones

expensive too

[ionic stag]

Hammer good, more hammer gooder

[surreal hazel]

Gives you hellsplitter on Mel axe

[blissful niche]

oh are the anvils fixed on late rooms/at the end?
that would explain why they feel so late for me lol or rare

[surreal hazel]

only possible in end shop

even then in one specific slot that might roll a few different things

[ionic stag]

It’s the same for hades 1, the nice thing is that you don’t need to suffer for too long.

[surreal hazel]

they were more common in hades 1, and they appeared in a shop you could access at the start of zone 4

[ionic stag]

Still the end shop

[surreal hazel]

the shop slot with the anvil could only offer Hermes or Anvils,

the one in H2 can have like, 5 different things

[lilac kraken]

Dual Moonshot (staff upgrade that doubles your special attacks)
+
Exceptional Talent (Apollo Legendary that doubles your Omaga attack AND Specials) is hilarious.

Omega Special go BRRRR 🤣

[surreal hazel]

have you considered using Momus?

[lilac kraken]

God I wish I was at the time 😂🤣😂🤣

[surreal hazel]

no wait, 4 things in that slot

[surreal hazel]

actually don't take exceptional talent on momus

[lilac kraken]

Oh no?

[surreal hazel]

Now that I've done that foreshadowing, what do you think happens if you do? Ignoring dual moonshot etc...

it's not bugged, it does work

[lilac kraken]

I would have thought that the snake thing would double up its attacks

[surreal hazel]

That's what happens with dual moonshot and mirrored thasher, sure

but ET? You get one more pulse, at the end

that'll be 25 mana please

[lilac kraken]

Huh, guess I'm glad that ai was playing around with Anubis at the time, lol

[surreal hazel]

does that work with Oattack now?

they say they fixed it...

[lilac kraken]

(Though sadly I slipped up and let cronos one shot me with his big attack... I accidentally ran past the safe zone, lmao 😭)

[novel maple]

1 extra, not double the 3

[surreal hazel]

yeah, I said

[novel maple]

ah

i did not see, but i expected

[lilac kraken]

Honestly I couldn't tell, lol

[surreal hazel]

oddly with mirrored thrasher, momus Oattack evenly spreads the 6 pulses, but dual moonshot does 3 double pulses

[lilac kraken]

But yeah it was 4 shots on Anubis

[surreal hazel]

Anubis has bonus Omega damage built in so that would help

and 4 ospecials firing in one salvo is probably better than what Momus does

[lilac kraken]

Indeed, though Melinoe's extra special power might have been better

[surreal hazel]

(Also Controlled Burn is particularly good on staff)

(The fireball is basically identical to a staff ospecial)

[lilac kraken]

I actually had Controlled Burn too, lmao. And Hera's one too

[surreal hazel]

"I cast clusterbomb"

[lilac kraken]

If only I had Ocean Swell too, 🤣

[glossy rivet]

is huntress arcana additive % damage?

[ionic stag]

Yes

[lilac kraken]

Actually I take it back, Anubis is better than Melinoe. Cause of the magnet effect. It was hilarious

[surreal hazel]

Everything is that isn't a crit or ares double damage

[errant valve]

I was kind of aware that I could just "solve for top 5 ideal Arcana layouts" by googling in like a second

That did not stop me from dwelling and reshuffling the deck for what, like, mustve been a solid 4 real life hours overall of just staring and seeing if theres not some combination i missed so far

I remember wondering during those combined 4h sometimes: how many dev hours mightve went into creating the constellation as is?

Or is this a really easy puzzle to solve for people who are used to thinking in puzzles :D

I marvel at it it seems so smart and elegant.

[viral yew]

What?

[lean crypt]

The layout is pretty evil yeah

Forces you to pick, choose etc

[tacit crow]

Need a Selene coat build guys, can u explain how to maximize the aspect's potential

[lean crypt]

The 0 cost cards especially are neat

[lean crypt]

Max out the hex, get ares for the godsent boost, and then just sorta take whatever else you want and spam omega moves

[tacit crow]

What is a godsent boost?

[novel maple]

godsent is basically the hex+god duo boon ( not really a boon, as it is hex upgrade)

some god exclusive upgrades

[tacit crow]

I don't think I've come across that in the game as of yet damn, also since I'll be completing a path i guess I should start with selene's keepsake?

[surreal hazel]

They only happen after selene mentions them

She won't until you've taken each possible hex

[lean crypt]

Yeah get seltene keepsake at some point

[surreal hazel]

Including the one unique to the coat's aspect

[lean crypt]

If you have a strong preference for a specific God tho might be worth to start with it

[tacit crow]

I mean I've done a prophecy of Selene's boons, is that it?

[surreal hazel]

Do you have all 6 weapons unlocked?

[tacit crow]

I do, but not the hidden aspects

[lean crypt]

Have you played a run with the selene coat yet

[surreal hazel]

that's fine

[lean crypt]

Might need to do that and then talk to her

[surreal hazel]

you just need to have used the aspect of selene

since that has a hex that's unique to that

[tacit crow]

I did only one and am currently on my second run

[surreal hazel]

That's fine

Just talk to selene more then

[lean crypt]

Then idk talk to selene a bunch she should tell you about godsent stuff soon

[surreal hazel]

She eventually unlocks it via a conversation

[tacit crow]

Okay I'll keep it in my mind

[novel maple]

i've come to realize that luna ray is actually not THAT bad with apollo godsent, it's a lot of quick damage at range, won't ever be able to channel the entire thing though i feel

[surreal hazel]

do it at range

[novel maple]

frenzy 2 mobs would like to disagree

is the upgrade still in the game that lets you drop the beam in place?

[steep galleon]

Yeah

[errant valve]

do you mean Aspect of Momus?

[novel maple]

no, the luna ray upgrade

[steep galleon]

Lunar ray even with the godsend needs a ton of investment though

[errant valve]

Oh sorry i didnt read further up

[steep galleon]

Like unlocking 90% of the tree

To feel good in my experience

[novel maple]

yeah i don't feel like ray is worth it most of the time

[bronze pine]

I like the giant moon, feels good at most phases but you require a spamming omega build.

[novel maple]

sheep is good on surface
slow is always good
rest is mainly feelsbad for me

[bronze pine]

Heal isn't that good but if you get it early and get some upgrades, you'll get a lot of money.

The one I hate most is the jump.

[novel maple]

i would take heals if i did not have scars on

the gold might be nice tho. yea
jump is kinda fun imo

[strong mesa]

heal with poseidon synergy is so broken

on high fear i ended up liking heal and morph the most

which is kinda funny cuz on low fear i never ever pick morph

[waxen gorge]

im struggling to think of a good build that revolves around Hestia's legendary boon. i need to get it since its part of the fated list but theres nothing i can think of.

Circe?

[lean yoke]

note to self: if you use Strength be careful against the final surface boss

i forgot i didn't have death defiance...

he was on his last phase too

[surreal hazel]

Circe, Supernova boon, make sure you take Controlled Burn instead of Glowing Coal as a prereq for this legendary

[waxen gorge]

does her cast also destroy boss projectiles?

[surreal hazel]

Yesnt

Some projectiles are just undeletable

Often from bosses, but not exclusively

[ionic stag]

I think phase shift’s upgrade does that better? Not sure tho

[surreal hazel]

That's a one off on cast

Fire Away will delete any deletable projectile thst so much as touches the binding circle

[ionic stag]

I think I read somewhere maybe Reddit that phase shift can delete some projectiles that can’t be deleted by hestia legendary, I’m not sure

[surreal hazel]

maybe

in EA it used to delete your own projectiles too so...

[split igloo]

is half blood triad viable? seems a bit painful to get off three different omega moves

[opaque holly]

As a noob who hasn’t even unlocked it…no idea! lol

But I don’t believe you need 3 omega moves

Just regular attack, regular special, and any omega

[surreal hazel]

yeah, it's not that, it's attack, special, any omega

[rain wagon]

With Morrigan, 99% of the time you'll be using the Ω Attack though, unless you've specifically built a cast build. I very rarely bother with Ω Special, only really against Scylla, or if I remember to use it while waiting for enemies to spawn in.

[brazen wasp]

so im a bt confused. i did my first fear but the broker isnt selling nmares

[surreal hazel]

Did you earn a nightmare on that run?

[brazen wasp]

yaya

[surreal hazel]

might need a few more then

[lean crypt]

Best way to get nightmares is just playing fear tho

[surreal hazel]

You say that, but finishing the triad with OSpecial means you get a free omega triad to start off the next one as the axes return

[lean crypt]

And the delivery

[brazen wasp]

is eos apollo the best way to play it to fish for the legendary

[lean crypt]

I don't like having to wait for the axes to come back for both special and omega special

[surreal hazel]

weapon doesn't really affect that, just make sure you're nailing the pre-reqs

[brazen wasp]

i butchered that sentence

[surreal hazel]

Apollo is kinda awkward by how he demands two core boons but at least you can get that early

[brazen wasp]

is running apollo the best way to play eos considering u get 2 daybreak pulses

[surreal hazel]

it doesn't do a lot for you honestly, pretty sure the double Ospecial doesn't even work

[glass bone]

You could go Apollo Attack. Though I personally prefer Hera Attack (alongside the Hestia Special

[brazen wasp]

so what do u peeps consider the best to run with eos

[surreal hazel]

I mostly build as I go with the weapon I want to use

I find laser focusing on one "build" above all to be a trap

the game is designed to make you adapt on the fly

[brazen wasp]

okay ill rephrase whats the first keepsake to take

[nova nimbus]

apollo special prob

[glass bone]

Eos doesn’t really care what gain you take, just that you get one by like… region 2 or 3. And you basically can take any good % boon on attack. Therefore, ||Jeweled Pom|| is the best to take. If you don’t have that keepsake, I’d say to go for Hestia keepsake for the chance of Hestia Special and Cardio Gain.

[surreal hazel]

I'm a jewelled pom stan so eh

[glass bone]

Alternatively, you could take Zeus keepsake to get Zeus Special, because Daybreaker can trigger the Blitz with basically any % boon (its base damage is 150, which is 30 away from the Blitz trigger iirc.)

[tall notch]

Eos can probably just get away with clicking Unseen

[surreal hazel]

Just don't take aphrodite with Eos

her idea of "close" doesn't play well with the daybreaker

[tall notch]

The cast is actually quite nice

[glass bone]

True, but some may not want to trade Boatman for Unseen, cause Huntress and Night already take up some of the grasp that no rerolls provide.

[tall notch]

Pull them together let daybreaker do the work

[glass bone]

It is yes, but that being the only strong core does suck.

[surreal hazel]

Rapture ring is the only one that really helps you, yeah

[tall notch]

It's just attack and special really, the regen I feel like works often enough to sustain your magick

[surreal hazel]

"close" is always measured from mel's position, even if it's the daybreaker spawning the projectiles

and Passion Rush is just a bit meh generally

[tall notch]

Also maybe that's just me but I adore Aphro dash

[surreal hazel]

that's just you

[steep galleon]

Aspect of dashing heave feels real nice with blitz and static shock

[tall notch]

Decent damage, a curse, removes wards

[surreal hazel]

weak's default duration is 1 second

it's outdamaged and outcursed by so many others

[tall notch]

I wouldn't target Aphro with Eos but if she shows up I'm definitely taking her because there's enough useful stuff in there

[surreal hazel]

Hera though

[nova nimbus]

i dont mind aphro gain on most weapons but eos isnt it

aphro gain on anything else besides skull and eos is free mana + potential t2 boons

[brazen wasp]

does eos blob trigger cardio gain

[glass bone]

Daybreaker does not, duplicated Specials (not OSpecial) do.

[surreal hazel]

Aphro gain is for when you don't need a lot of gain but would like a free curse

[brazen wasp]

wait o special does not

what

[surreal hazel]

Cardio gain does not trigger on any omegas

[glass bone]

It doesn’t, because it is Attack and Special

Oh wait. Wrong reply

[nova nimbus]

special =/= specials

[surreal hazel]

Miss

[nova nimbus]

tricky tony made it so special means the normal special and specials means both normal and omega

he did it to mess with you specifically

[nova nimbus]

this also applies to attack/attacks, but casts explicitly state if they mean omega

[surreal hazel]

thankfully they mostly have a naming convention on hammers too with this

[nova nimbus]

i also believe strikes mean any kind of attack or special

[surreal hazel]

...mostly

[nova nimbus]

somebody pull up the chart of the tooltops success rate does and doesnt update too lol 😭

[surreal hazel]

Thrasher = attacks, Whallop = attack only, Catyclysm = Omega attack only

[nova nimbus]

boon naming conventions are pretty good these days though

strike, flourish, ring, rush, gain

[lean crypt]

Who's tricky Tony lol

[nova nimbus]

my strawman 💀

it originates from deltarune i think

[lean crypt]

Oh lmao I thought maybe its like the gameplay designer or something

[split igloo]

oh wait what

[surreal hazel]

have you considered reading?

[austere trail]

for me blood triad is easiest to trigger with special -> hold attack

since omega attack is only followed up by a regular attack

[surreal hazel]

winner's circle lets you just drop an omega cast with ease too

and that counts for the top corner

[uneven palm]

Apollo legendary is pretty good on Eos. Makes the Daybreaker pulse twice. Other good Apollo legendary aspects are Charon, Skulls with Wide Grin or Possessed Array, Thanatos, Morrigan, Shiva

[obtuse tendon]

I am very in love with Black Coat Special + Cast + Hephestas Bong bong + Zeus Lightning lance + Hail Storm

[earnest arrow]

Can someone explain how aspect of Artemis works? While you are channeling your omega attack, if you get hit, you sometimes parry? Is that just RNG? Then if you parry, you become impervious for 1 second and have a 9 hit crit chance bonus? But if you do not parry you don't get the crit chance?

[tall notch]

The parry has a cooldown, once you've parried the barrier gets consumed and your omega attacks won't parry until it comes back

There's an indicator next to your health for the cooldown

[earnest arrow]

But this isn't like shield from H1 where it always blocks all damage while you're channeling omega attack right? It's just RNG based on whether you take damage while you're channeling?

[turbid crescent]

How do yall build around mel blades? I'm just going poseidon attack and maybe zeus special mostly

[strong mesa]

No it always blocks

[turbid crescent]

or hestia speical, I have no idea what I'm doing

[strong mesa]

As long as its not on cooldown

But u cant hold it indefinetly like the shield

It also blocks even if u dont have enough mana for the attack

[earnest arrow]

Okay thanks for this info. It feels so unintuitive to me but I will mess with it.

[steep galleon]

it's a pretty cool aspect

[lime flax]

i just had a charon run and i wont lie it felt mad slow

like against prometheus, without lighting lance or fireball, i wasnt able to trigger the effect as much

is that just me

[hollow mauve]

when i thought u said hera... i was gonna nerd out with the hera aspect in h1... love that weapon.. its fun with the right setup

and then i saw it was the h2 chat...

[dire shell]

when playing aspect of Artemis, should one be using the riposte deliberately often?

[steep galleon]

Mostly for armored enemies and bosses, or an easy way out of danger sometimes is how I use it

[hollow mauve]

im still sad i cant be a lawnmower with ||morrigan||

shoot out 12 of my special, have it trail behind me and only have it deal one knife of damage...(yes 12 is correct... have apolos legendary with hidden blades, daze dash and special... yeah its nutty)

[frigid tartan]

All my runs with Charon's aspect have been awesome. Just gotta get into the flow of casting, start charging omega special, dash during charge to safety and hit from afar, repeat until boss is dead

I actually hate grabbing fireball with Charon. Much rather drop cast consistently and dash away while charging

[nova nimbus]

i dont fw morrigan specials bc it feels like i dont have much control

i dont have the attention span to juggle how far it is 😔

[hollow mauve]

id either go with surefire flurry(if you can get it) or what i just mentioned...

[uneven palm]

Just special point blank. O attack, tap special, tap attack

[surreal hazel]

just get final slice and press attack a lot

the triad is an option, not a requirement

[nova nimbus]

no yeah thats what i do

i dislike the ospecial for triad is what i mean

[uneven palm]

That’s a good build. Aphro/Apollo attack with Wicked Onslaught is good too.

[nova nimbus]

bc then it puts your normal special on cd and feels slower even though its prob the same

[flint widget]

reached summit on 58 fear with no dds with amulet on, am i cooked chat

[uneven palm]

Ah yeah I only do that if it’s like a boss and they only need the Omega and even then I don’t love it

[nova nimbus]

my lukewarm take is that its actually really counterintuitive that omega attacks and specials dont count as normal ones too, and the only reason the oattack is fine is bc of low cd and tp

if im going to remove my special for a good 10s it feels worth 2 triad notches

[nova nimbus]

mel blades wants rapidhit or omega attack spam so poseidon is good

theres also the trick knives option but i dont use it

artemis blades with fine line and waves is hilarious ftr

[steep galleon]

I don't rly like building around the o attack on artemis

I skip sweeping ambush even though there is huge potential there

[nova nimbus]

my other morrigan opinion is that its bad for cast builds but thats fine. like its by design

cast builds arent useless but theyre worse than the oattack

[nova nimbus]

i lowkey play artemis as mel blades with a shield

theyre not all that different

[steep galleon]

Yeah pretty much

[nova nimbus]

morrigan sweeping ambush apollo is funny as hell though

[steep galleon]

Bruh I meant omega attack not special..

[nova nimbus]

oop yeah i was wondering

thats fair, i like that it lets you tp faster though

that on top of the shield can be insane damage miti

[steep galleon]

And I dunno what to do about pan on 32f, I suppose a bastardized mel blades run again

[lime flax]

but like against prometheus its so hard to get close

against normal enemies and most bosses its fine, just prometheus

[flint widget]

got scammed by athena, died to rivals typhon p4, it was a good run 🫡

[opaque gust]

Yeah, maybe so. I can create strong builds, but I really suck at avoiding damage in this game/timing dodges, where in H1 I could hit projectiles and dodge through guys more easily. People swear by Aphrodite axe, but I find it really tough to avoid hits while slowly whirling around. So maybe timing dodges and being in the right location is more demanding in H2. A good example: in 75ish runs, I’ve successfully avoided Hecate’s sheep curse twice.

[nova nimbus]

spin 2 win is hard to pull off

i swear by than axe with every attack speed boon

big mel blades

[steep galleon]

Mel Axe I like dash strike -> special rotation, Zeus attack and static shock 😂

[static badger]

finally completed the surface again

[steep galleon]

Definitely playing as intended 😂

[static badger]

Typhon was a really short fight lol

[supple tangle]

Accidentally beat typhon for the first time in my first try with a run that I thought I wouldn’t beat Prometheus with

[opaque gust]

I have everything unlocked and maxed out. I dunno. It’s weird. My lack of dodging skills, I think.

[supple tangle]

Pretty neat ngl

Athena’s Defiance def helped here ig

[wise swallow]

what build did you use

[supple tangle]

I only took it for the fated list

[supple tangle]

Agreed

[static badger]

what build

it was a bunch of stuff put together

Zeus and Ares mainly

[supple tangle]

Mine was melinoe axe with epic Hera attack, dashing weave and heroic Apollo call

[static badger]

whatever it was I definitely had divine vengeance on it

trusty shield, heaven flourish

aq

that fissure one

[paper tapir]

can anyone explain how argent skull hold special works? sometimes i stay on it for a long while sometimes its short. i suspect its when i kill enemies consecutively?

[glass bone]

OSpecial Argent Skull is basically a faster, larger, and more damaging form of Special. But just like Special, OSpecial doesn’t have invincibility frames iirc. On Persephone skull, it does have Invincibility for the whole OSpecial duration

[surreal hazel]

You're using persephone right?

[paper tapir]

that's not really what im asking, i think i worded it bad. i mean the duration of the move itself. sometimes its very long, sometimes its short. thoughts? yes persephone

[surreal hazel]

that's why

read what Spout does on that aspect

[glass bone]

Oh. Then in that case, Persephone’s duration is tied to how much Olympian damage you have dealt

The bonus duration is 2 seconds max, and to get to that duration, you have to deal 2000 damage.

[sacred storm]

persephone's gimmick is that whenever you do olympian damage (any boon with a flat damage number attached), it charges "sprouted" which makes its o-special last up to 2s longer

[paper tapir]

ahh noted, thanks guys

[surreal hazel]

there's a circular meter just to the right of your hp and mana bar

same with other aspects

[frigid tartan]

It's actually really easy, just gotta learn his attack patterns, most can be dodged by dashing through him, not away from him, this is the case with many fights in this game, just gotta lose the fear of being close.

I go to him, drop cast and as he's preparing the attack I start charging special and dash through him, landing behind him as he attacks, I dodge the attack and ram the axe in his face

[shrewd fjord]

so if I hit a foe with like hitch and then like ikarus pulls up will my hitch still effect the other foes with the debuff

[frigid tartan]

There's nothing wrong with a more safer and ranged approach, but my point is, you can actually get close to prometheus safely if the situation calls for it, but as with all other bosses, gotta learn their moveset to dodge safely through him

Also, try to get boons like Ocean's Swell and Geyser Spout from Poseidon, also Fine Line from Hera, maybe Prominence Flare from Apollo, stuff like that will make your Charon's combo go brrrrr

[lime flax]

i do all of that just like you said am scored to get closed

[brazen wasp]

whats best cast and special for pan

[young otter]

does the aspect of malonie (backstabs) and the skulking onslaught boon (150% backstab damage) stack?

[sacred storm]

they should, but i'd expect it to be additive, not multiplicative

[sacred storm]

cast is whatever, best special is poseidon imo

[static badger]

maybe Zeus and poseidon

[surreal hazel]

additive, but mel's aspect is all weapon strikes, skulking onslaught in attack and omega attack only

protip, if you get these, you really want wicked onslaught, secret crush and slow cooker

[young otter]

so if my aspect does %100 and the boon %150, my backstab will do %250??

that's kinda broken

[surreal hazel]

+250%, yes

but the base damage on the blades is pretty low, hence you want power bonuses

and not everything has a "back"

[young otter]

I use it with scorch, it melts bosses

[signal coral]

Its about 30 per hit on average after the 1.0 buffs

Not super high but not awful anymore

[surreal hazel]

20, 20, 15x5, 80

dash strike is 45

[signal coral]

Are you sure those numbers are right?

[surreal hazel]

yes, I tested recently

morrigan combo is 11x3, 33x3

these are base power, obviously you'll be doing more than this very quickly, if not right out of the gate

[acoustic sandal]

Does anyone know if eris bell keeps its bonus when taken off or is it a keep on for the whole run kind of thing?

[sacred storm]

you keep the bonus after removing it

can't remember if it continues stacking

[acoustic sandal]

Cool, good to know

I'd assume it probably won't keep stacking

Although it does say for the rest of this night so idk

I find it kinda fun and thematic to run with than axe

[polar prawn]

It doesn't keep stacking but the accrued effect to that point stays!

[rugged moon]

It does continue stacking

[tawny glen]

Aspect of Medea does explosion counts as special or as a attack when talking about what to focus on boon wise?

[rain wagon]

Attack

[tawny glen]

Does it count as a single attack then? Or per skull? E.g. with scortch, will it be applied only ones as if it was a single attack?

[nova nimbus]

per skull iirc

although to a certain extent some effects have icd

so even if it does multihit its happening fast enough where it might get kneecapped

[tawny glen]

Well Aphrodite it is then 🤔

[surreal hazel]

basically all medea does is cause your thrown skulls to not be thrown, but instead be stuck to you with a longer fuse time

[nova nimbus]

aphrodite is solid on medea

[surreal hazel]

they still explode on contact with an enemy, which the special does for you

[tawny glen]

so far she is solid almost on anything for me 😄 Especially with duo Poseidon

[nova nimbus]

hades 2 doesnt have a lot of ranged weapons that are fun to play

[surreal hazel]

the reason it's such a monster at high level play is because of that insane +90% attack and special bonus and easy comboing with attack and special

[nova nimbus]

flames are nice now but skull is skull

[tawny glen]

Would you count cast+Circe as ranged?

[surreal hazel]

"ranged" is a weird perception

some melee weapons can have a bigger range than the torches,

add seige frame onto the coat and the attack is longer ranged than the special

I think the biggest you can make a "Melee" hit is the staff with melting swipe and extending whallop?

[gloomy patio]

Is Shiva worth the 4 Nightmare cost?

[signal coral]

No weapon in hades 1 is actually long ranged except hestia

Most "ranged" aspects preferred to play at mid range. Like roughly how far you would space with moros in hades 2

[uneven palm]

It’s fun. Try it out.

You can get more nightmare

[fluid cloud]

??? Bow and rail?

Am I tripping

[signal coral]

Those are both mid range weapons

Except for hestia aspect

The ideal spacing with them is roughly how far away you want to be standing with torches

(The distance of torch omega special)

[crimson rapids]

What familiars you guys prefer with circe? I feel like Toula is kinda just the go-to

[uneven palm]

Toula or Raki yeah. Maybe Gale

Toula and Raki chase things down while Gale chases you down

[torn plinth]

Toule or raki

[tawny glen]

Ok, looks like Ares adds power per skull on first strike which feels very good

[dusk ivy]

I like having toula mostly for fish and the death defiance. Other than her i like all of them equally

[surreal hazel]

There's a weird balance there oddly

[rain wagon]

If only Toula started each encounter by attacking, instead not being on the map for the first ~3 seconds, then having to backtrack to activate her, then another couple of seconds for her to start doing damage.

[surreal hazel]

the further away your familiar likes to be, the more of a beam you get and the more coverage your casts get, but if they're up close and personal you get more of a cast stacking benefit

[rain wagon]

She still feels horrible to use, even after the buffs.

The death defiance is nice, the rest... not so much.

[lilac kraken]

Indeed. Even if she just started asleep at a random spot on the map and instantly able to be awakened.

The wait is so annoying. She was my favorite for a while, but I got annoyed and decided to move on to Gale

[torn plinth]

Yeah i agree its annoying that shes not spawned in at the start of a room either

[tall notch]

Raki

[spiral wadi]

raki is best but learning to play with toula is extremely fun

[tall notch]

Very good at chasing down enemies, carried me through 62f Circe like second or third try
https://youtu.be/f1TN9PLuXhM

[compact magnet]

I was just now at the end of a Coat of Arms Underworld run and was curious if the Attack could block his huge arena nuke attack, but too cowardly to test it myself, lol. Anyone know?

[tall notch]

The oneshot? I'm 99% sure it can't

[torn plinth]

Nope

Not ground attacks

But the artemis daggers can block that move

[tall notch]

What i do wonder is if it coat can block clock hands? Axe block from EA could and it was hilarious

[torn plinth]

What ive noticed so far is basically anything thats not a ground attack

[compact magnet]

Seems inconsistent there, actually. I noticed on this run that it blocked purplish-red-shockwave-looking hits, but not Hecate's white growing circle attack

[torn plinth]

Ah interesting maybe its not a set rule then

Defs not as relible as the parry

[torn plinth]

Oh the red shockwaves arent ground tho

Theyre like clouds moving towards u

Chronos one shot would be ground

[compact magnet]

Like the blue maw looking things' shockwaves? Idk 🤔 looks grounded to me

[torn plinth]

Theres some shockwaves certain bosses have like polyphemus where its a reddish purple fast shockwave coming towards u

Those are like floating above ground

And then they have a grounded one thats slow

Like the big circles

[compact magnet]

Yeah, I remember at least a couple times in this last Underground Coat run I blocked some circular-looking shockwave hits

Just can't remember specifically who, I think the blue maw enemy in Mourning Fields was one of them

[bronze flax]

I have been playing 20f Surface and somehow replacing max Menace with max Hordes made it better

Yeah, Olympus enemies in the second region feel that annoying

[compact magnet]

Olympus enemies are so ungodly tanky, it feels like

[bronze flax]

I still don't like to be timed, so not using Time, even if Time 2 is technically free for how I use to play

[compact magnet]

At least the bomber satyrs and armor-looking automata

[compact magnet]

I enjoy being timed, personally. Going fast is fun imo

[bronze flax]

It really doesn't help that there is so little space

[compact magnet]

It also helps that I make, and don't mind making, liberal use of pause buffering just casually

Timer doesn't pause for things like deciding what door to pick after an encounter, for example. So I'll always pause right when the doors show their options to decide without the clock ticking

Interestingly enough, the timer does pause when Athena's present, from the moment of "Divine Intervention!" before things actually get speared to death, to even after she jumps away and before you've picked a door to leave

[spiral wadi]

ye it's why Athena fields is common for speedruns iirc

[granite anchor]

ok morrigan with plus 20 power attack and 300 percent final attack hammers plus grievous wound, extra dose, and crit is kind of insane

[glass bone]

Yeah, Wicked Onslaught + Final Slice or Sweeping Ambush, and some % boon (such as Apollo) is busted. To be clear, for these builds, Apollo is my preferred choice.

[granite anchor]

i went ares attack to make it convenient to proc wound

and aphro gain just applies the other curse constantly to get the arcana buff

adding a bunch of other aphrodite stuff gives you a bunch more flat and percent damage, HP and weak

heph has martial art

plus also more percent HP.

i had like......400 HP

still no tall order

i didn't even upgrade the common grevious and rare extra dose

[surreal hazel]

your attack combo is 31x3, 53x4x3

or rather 93, 636

madness

[granite anchor]

it's actually crazy.

i wasn't sure if it would allow the 300 percent hammer but it did and it indeed was the best second one to get

im actually not sure which would be better comparitively 20 flat damage or that. they're both massive

[surreal hazel]

Final slice if you had to choose

Slow cooker and secret crush exist to boost the power, but nothing can replicate final slice

[granite anchor]

you can do pretty well with just extra dose plus ares attack grevious wound and like ideally aphro gain but more luck with what you find with the other stuff takes it into space

i think aphro and heph collectively and even individually add way more benefit than anything else hestia has outside slow cooker and maybe isolation damage

oh ye i also happened to get ares legendary but it's not needed at all or even something to try to shoot for. ares also has a lot of earth icons for martial art

[granite anchor]

does this include crit

i had 7 percent from raki and artemis

[surreal hazel]

crit will just multiply the final damage by 3

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1425696343552294974/clip_1759982860564.mp4 love that scylla clam dash can be masked by the extremely bright spotlight

[bronze flax]

Ah yes, I love having no visual clarity on this battle

[spiral wadi]

somehow i feel like being colorblind would be a benefit

[granite anchor]

does extra dose proc on every hit of morrigan or just one

[glass bone]

I believe every hit, yes.

[granite anchor]

sick

[shrewd fjord]

wait wait wait. if I have 357 hp, and 6 death defys how much hp do I actually have 😭

[surreal hazel]

depends on what flavour of DD you have

and how much excess damage you take to lose a life

[polar prawn]

Enough, probably

[surreal hazel]

if you're at 1hp and get hit by 999, it's still really just 1 hp of damage

[daring nexus]

Does Hitch apply extra damage to the enemy you're hitting too?

[supple tangle]

Turns out executioner’s chop and he’ll splitter can be pretty good with aspect of Mel if you get them just before chronos

I was nearly taking a quarter of his health with each chop

Chaos raising my attack power by 86% and having ares on attack definitely helped

[ripe wadi]

What builds you guys recommend with Thanatos axe?

I've been using moros torches for a while but considering switching

[fleet nova]

i feel like apollo attack is easymode and consistent with any attack-based axe build

[bronze flax]

And if you get Apollo Legendary and good Magick gain... Yeah, you're all set tbh

[elfin widget]

Any build recommendation for argent skull? Any Aspect except hidden one

[stoic shuttle]

So what boons and gods do I want for aspect of artemis?

[glass bone]

Hera Special or Ares Special is pretty good to take.

[stoic shuttle]

Dont I want stuff for omega attack?

[tulip pier]

are supay automatic shots still considered attack/special for the huntress card?

[glass bone]

Oh wait, yes. At any fear, building with OAttack is really strong. So… Apollo Attack or Ares Attack, with Sweeping Ambush is great. Best gain is probably Flood, Lucid, or Born Gain. But if you are considered about the Magick regen, you can instead focus on Special (not OSpecial)

[glass bone]

Yes, but the Omega auto attacks though don’t count.

[steep galleon]

Take aphro on attack and boost the attack as much as possible otherwise (her boon that boosts power, slow cooker etc.)

[brazen wasp]

whats the best attack to go for on eos

[rare brook]

What are requirements to unlock flames hidden aspect? It's the only one missing

[flint widget]

do u have a non mel aspect to rank v

if u have one, then it's most likely a dialogue issue

try to start runs then lose them to get moros in the crossroads to say the key dialogue

[shrewd fjord]

what other pets impact gameplay like kitty

kitty imo best pet but I wanna run bird but kitty so good

[rare brook]

Oh...

So it matters which aspect is rank V

[flint widget]

yes

i think

[shrewd fjord]

in the sense that kitty gives death defy but I kinda feel like with the maxed card I kinda don’t need them as much

[rare brook]

Hmm... so maybe wiki is little lying, cause it says it doesn't matter which aspect you level up to rank 5 🤔

[flint widget]

yeah the wiki is outdated af

[brazen wasp]

whats the best attack to go for on eos

[rare brook]

So what is best source of knowledge?

[flint widget]

probably go search up for guides

[viral yew]

The leereamsnyder guide

[rare brook]

Seems like it goes that way: Where the heck are my hidden aspects?
The requirements for unlocking the hidden aspects changed with the 1.0 release, so there’s tons of correct-at-the-time-but-now-wrong information out there.

You need:

All six weapons unlocked
All the other aspects for the weapon in question unlocked
At least one non-Melinoë aspect for the weapon in question ranked up fully
The non-Melinoë bit is what changed. A Rank-5 Mel aspect won’t do it anymore.

[split igloo]

yes you want aphrodite attack and apollo boons that make your attacks hit twice as well as anything that boosts crit chance

you want aphrodite gain for origination

[brave locust]

mega blaze or sudden burst for torch

50 atk speed -1 MP or +30 % dmg with extra distanc

[split igloo]

which torch

[brazen wasp]

bump

[hollow stag]

Is Hera or Apollo Special better on Charon Axe?

[viral yew]

Aphro/zeus/hera

[viral yew]

Doesn't really matter

[brave locust]

mel

[signal coral]

Hera special ideally because you want origination

[split igloo]

i prefer hera sprint as a way of applying her thingy

[hollow stag]

Along with Poseidon Omega cast too?

[signal coral]

And having status on cast + special is very comfy imo

[viral yew]

Pos omega cast is a must

As in geyser spout, then apollo cast,

Can you get prom flare and spout?

[signal coral]

Yes

[sacred storm]

yeah, geyser spout/prominence flare/meat grinder can all be taken together

[flint widget]

local climate could also be nice

[sacred storm]

i'd say the ideal god pool for charon is apollo/poseidon/demeter/ares for lucid gain, geyser spout, local climate, and hostile environment

[flint widget]

if u have a core dem boon that also gets u into hostile environment

idk if that's good with charon tho i have to try that out

[viral yew]

You'd want lighting lance or glowing coal, or hope for howling soul

[sacred storm]

it works with charon but there's a funny quirk where if you have meat grinder that'll start to follow you even if you detonated it via charon's o-special

eh, i haven't found those to be necessary for charon runs most of the time

[dull citrus]

Some runs i see a random blue orb spawn that refills magic. What is that?

[brave locust]

I did it

i beat that MF

Idk what high surf does

but it trivialized most rooms

[viral yew]

Hecate digs it up for you

[signal coral]

Hecuba

[viral yew]

That one

[sage flame]

hecate coming with is the co-op mode

[paper dawn]

Okay, I SERIOUSLY need help. I'm trying to do a 32 Fear run to Chronos, my preferred weapon is the Axe with the Aspect of Thanatos, any recommendations?

[sage flame]

biggest thing with any axe is cancelling the attack combo so you aren't a sitting duck

[viral yew]

Apollo/aphro

[latent sage]

I also personally like Demeter on Thantos axe, just because of the control that freeze gives you but the overall damage is lower than Apollo or Aphro

[brazen wasp]

hitch isnt good as a special if im running aphro atk right

what special should i go on moros then

[dire shell]

Which are the best Hidden Aspects? I don’t have enough Nightmare to max all of them yet!

[signal coral]

Morrigan

Anubis and Nergal are probably the next best

Nergal and Morrigan really need levels

[dire shell]

Shiva is the only one I have paid for right now! The rest need another run or two

[signal coral]

Anubis is okay being low level it will still function

[austere badger]

Hello, does anyone here have a link to a Hades 2 build planner, wanted to theory craft some things. Thanks

I could not find any online

[glass bone]

I’d say to check out Mobalytics

[dire shell]

Huh. Is Shiva worth the 9 nightmare to max?

[viral yew]

BASED

[viral yew]

YES

[rugged moon]

No

(this is just me being funny, i dont like the weapon but i def wanted to disagree just to disagree)

[viral yew]

Why don't u like the weapon?

[full vale]

any advice for anubis vs guardians that dont summon any enemies? Mainly prometheus. Also will take any other advice for anubis as i just unlocked

[viral yew]

With anubis you mostly want to ignore the shades, they're not that good, focus on buffing attack

[rugged moon]

in general things that require aiming feel terrible on controller

the ranged casts/shiva/anubis etc

[viral yew]

I play controller just fine 🤷‍♀️

[stoic shuttle]

What does godsent effect on hexes do?

[rugged moon]

depends on the hex

[austere trail]

you can tell by reading the effect it has in the hex menu

[rugged moon]

each hex has a unique god for godsent 9 hexes, 9 gods

[stoic shuttle]

Total eclipse? Aka big aoe area dmg

[rugged moon]

thats.... hestia i think?

[stoic shuttle]

Zeus

Actually idk

[viral yew]

Total eclipse is hestia

[rugged moon]

thought so. the shapeshift spell is zues

total exlipse will burn enemies with the godsent until the blast lands

[full vale]

What would you reccomend on attack then? I thought if anything you may want to go for omega specials bc attack didnt seem that good to me

[rugged moon]

its also the only effect that goes above 999 burn

[viral yew]

Poseidon or hestia

[stoic shuttle]

Sounds like I should take it

[full vale]

ohhh wait so it applies on hit every pulse. that makes sense

[rugged moon]

its not good crogbourne but it does hit fast

[viral yew]

Yeah you can get some crazy bonkers damage from it

[rugged moon]

the field is very low damage. you want to try and land the omega on bosses. they also can overlap by dodging after placing field before omega finishes

[viral yew]

Base damage is low yeah but it really gets going with the right build

[full vale]

what would you consider the right build / direction?

[rugged moon]

im a huge hestia/dem fan for when i did it

[full vale]

omega attack?

[rugged moon]

the wall is the Oattack

[full vale]

just making sure thats what you meant. I find it kinda difficult to land unless i cast them first

[rugged moon]

you can dash while charging oattack yeah

[full vale]

ohh can you okay that would make it easier i think

thank you! this community is very nice & helpful

[rugged moon]

ye. so you can start it, which will drop the field. then dash before oattack finishes its channel to overlap them

(you can also dash cancel to PLACE the field which is a slightly faster animation too but thats more advance)

[full vale]

is nergal any good in your opinion?

[rugged moon]

yes

[viral yew]

You can go for arterial spray and pos legendary if you want to go pos attack, that's my favourite

[viral yew]

Nergal is very good

[rugged moon]

nergal is one that really wants to be maxed out however

i dont think its very playable until its rank 5

[viral yew]

Also true

[full vale]

okay yeah, i was trying it at rank one and it just seems very difficult to use or atleast get berserk to any meaningful degree

[hollow stag]

How do you apply status through Special for Origination?

[viral yew]

Berserk goes down to 8 or 9 hits at max iirc

[sacred storm]

demeter or ares, or poseidon + slippery slope

[rugged moon]

9 at rank 5. 4 at rank 6 (heph legendary)

Heph Legendary feels hilarious on nergal

[viral yew]

Gonna have to try for that if I ever go for 50f axe

[sacred storm]

if your cast is poseidon or apollo you can also slap arctic gale on top of that for origination instead

[rugged moon]

i really want to do a run for nergal that is Heph/Ares/Dem/Hera. Get Frosty, Tough Gain, Brave Face, Blood Spree, Heph Legendary

And see if i can even die

[hollow stag]

For Charon Axe, which Ares boon is better? Sword Ring or Meat Grinder

[rugged moon]

meat grinder

[sacred storm]

meat grinder imo, you want a status on cast for origination

[rugged moon]

sword ring is really bad ngl

for being a pure damage cast its damage is really weirdly low

[hollow stag]

Darn this Epic Sword Ring that's tempting me

[sacred storm]

you can take arctic gale for origination too but if you already have demeter special it won't stack like that

[full vale]

what would you guys consider ideal boons / attack for thanatos?

[sacred storm]

truthfully though most of charon's damage is coming from o-cast and o-special damage, the ___ ring boon isn't that important other than the status it provides

[tall notch]

Hera

[sacred storm]

any % boon other than maybe ares

[full vale]

I was thinking aphro is possibly the best, I dont find myself using special whatsoever

[sacred storm]

i did a near-hitless run with thanatos and demeter attack early in ea fwiw

[viral yew]

Aphro is ok, hera and Demeter are better

[sacred storm]

demeter's damage boost is mid but freeze is so good at keeping you safe as you attack

and weed killer is great for spin2win

[full vale]

word i'm about to give that a shot I think i'm on the final fear levels for axe. Thank you!

[viral yew]

What's your vow setup

[full vale]

I was just going to ask. I'm on 10 right now running frenzy max n then 1 vow of grit fangs & time. this isnt actually max it's only 10 bc I realized I still didnt beat hec at 10 fear, so I still have to do 12 & 16 after this

[hollow stag]

For Charon Axe, the priority is to get Apollo Cast first, then his Special Hammer or Apolllo's Special and Prominence Flare to bee line for his legendary?

[sacred storm]

imo prioritize lucid gain over solar ring

you're spending 30 mp per o-special, that adds up

[viral yew]

I would take it off grit and put it in revenant vow or the one that spawns enemies from the next region

[full vale]

What do you typically run at fear wise if you're just playing for fun / as a test?

[viral yew]

I normally run my typical 32f setup, sometimes 40 if I feel lucky https://imgur.com/a/faIsqUr

I've been putting on denial with vor3 and scars lately too

[turbid parrot]

denial prob my favorite testament after vor

very fun to play with

[full vale]

psychic whirlwind or seething marauder on thanatos?

i think whirldwind prob but i can see value in both

[viral yew]

Yeah makes you take different boons than you would normally pick

[turbid parrot]

also forces you to make a choice if u get two things u want at the same time

[prisma needle]

wide grin twisting crash possessed array on a medea run 💀

[daring ferry]

Does anubis poseidon attack still work?

[viral yew]

Yes

[sudden belfry]

if im planning on doing a freezer burn build with The Queen to make duos appear more, what cards should i take? other than the Queen ofc and Origination

[humble galleon]

hey could someone recommend a good build the typa stuff that will just melt bosses kinda struggling with the surface a bit

[sudden belfry]

do u have the coat yet

[viral yew]

Which weapon?

[humble galleon]

yes

[viral yew]

Coat would be the last weapon i recommend for smth like that (even tho it's my favourite)

[sudden belfry]

how come?

[humble galleon]

any except the torches I don't like em much

[viral yew]

Medea is probably best if u don't want to play moros

[full vale]

is there anything even second close to medea

[viral yew]

Not really

[humble galleon]

and what boons should I go for?

[full vale]

medea is basically the ares athena build from hades 1

zeus on special for sure for medea

[viral yew]

Zeus special aphro attack

I prefer hera but aphro is more damage if u can get origination up

[full vale]

for the hammers just do not go wide grin, if you can get the one that makes it attack again where the skull lands gg

[humble galleon]

any crazy combos to look out for?

[humble galleon]

aww I love wide grin

[viral yew]

Romantic blitz is good but you don't really need any duos

[full vale]

genuinely in my experience if you have zeus on special that is all you really need with medea, everything else is bonus

[viral yew]

Basically yeah

[full vale]

it is basically the ares athena combo from hades 1 if you ever played it

but feels even more busted

[viral yew]

Hades 2 just has better boons but worse duos, and by worst I mean more supporting and win more rather than run definitive

[humble galleon]

yeahh loved the first one too It's been a while but I remember having so many busted builds in mind like that one with the fists and tidal dash

[full vale]

there was one specifically w the shield. athena dash, areas doom on attack i think and a duo that made it pop as soon as u dashed into them

[humble galleon]

oh yeahh I remember that one oof that one was just a nuke

[full vale]

w medea, imo if ur on mouse literally just left click once right click and repeat, u do not need to worry about loading multiple skulls or anything. good luck!

[humble galleon]

thanks for the help guys hopefully I can finally beat that wise guy prometheus

[silent crow]

i believe in u

[full vale]

for his attack where he selects 3 or 5 areas to attack when he goes off arena just say to yourself "top middle top" or wherever it is you need to dodge. helps alot lmao u got this brother

[humble galleon]

I literally do that and still get hit during the second one 😭 but I'm gonna show him this time 💯

[silent crow]

i like drawing a line in my head about where to go

[humble galleon]

nice idea I'll try that next time

[devout dock]

does anyone know whrer i can find different builds for each weapon

[forest hinge]

hi, does anyone know if Scorch can Crit??

[brave locust]

How does aspect of circe work exactly?

its only 50dps

[forest hinge]

Psychic Leash is good dmg when paired with Furies-Arcana, lets you proc Blitz almost constantly, and even works by putting Blitz on your staff attack instead of your special for example, it just works that fast with Blitz/Psychic Leash.

[forest hinge]

The real point of Circe though: you have 2 Cast circles. Double Zeus cast-bolts, double Hostile Environment, doubled Heph clang-cast, double anything cast-based

[brave locust]

ahh can you like stack the circles and gain more damage from the arcana

[forest hinge]

yeah, you can quite literally double your dmg if you overlap your cast circles

[lean yoke]

beat both final bosses at least once, working on the prophecy for completing runs with every arcana card, i don't wanna beat it too fast

[brave locust]

whats the best kind of build for circe? special spam/boost?

[torn plinth]

U just dodge and spam omega casts

And melt everything , its easy mode

Zeus cast is best i find

[brave locust]

only use omega cast? everything else is just form (so special, no omega special)?

[torn plinth]

Also positionin ur laser beam while runnin around

[torn plinth]

It was so powerful and killed so fast i barely had time to use my other stuff

Defs sprinkle in some attacks but prioritize dodging and omega casting

Demeter and Apollo r good to add too for cast buffs

[jovial glen]

does anyone know if you have all of your magick primed does the huuntress activate?

[lean yoke]

note to self: if you're used to having death defiances use moros's keepsake with Strength

[hollow stag]

How important is Apollo's Super Nova on Charon Axe?

[nova nimbus]

its whatever, your cleavecast is already huge and it takes a while to grow

usually for charon you wanna spam

[nova nimbus]

doesnt this just kill you after pin expires, so strength only becomes active for 10s

[torn plinth]

Its nice to have, i love that boon. But its not the end of the world

[digital juniper]

you’d be right, it does disable strength except for those 10 seconds

[lean yoke]

i got really lucky with HP in a surface run with strength and now i almost died in erebus due to low hp

SOMEHOW i upgraded the white antler fully

[elfin widget]

What's the most OP build currently? Like the Athena+Ares in H1 or Aphro bow (I want to unlock the ||statues||)

[elder falcon]

After struggling for a full week to beat 32 fear, aspect of eos of all things was weapon that got me the 32 fear win

[elfin widget]

I have 0 experience with the wands, what's the expected build and playstyle? If you don't mind sharing

[spiral wadi]

anything with blitz tbh

zeus and hestia are both basically the strongest boon givers rn

[elfin widget]

Hestia? Why? Isn't it basically useless on boss fights?

[spiral wadi]

in terms of offensive capability

[elfin widget]

Or for the Duo?

[spiral wadi]

hestia u stack scorch and it chips away very well, u can get thermal dynamics that applies scorch per blitz too

[elfin widget]

My bad, I confused it with Hera. Aplogies. Thank you so much!

[spiral wadi]

np, ye hera's really solid for room clears too

[proper cloak]

Imo the easiest way to win on 32 fear is to get circe staff and stack every buff you can find on your omega cast

[full vale]

best boons for aspect of momus?

[spiral wadi]

i mean u can also put zeus cast on circe and win game

[proper cloak]

True

[proper cloak]

I like never play with it so take this with a grain of salt but I'm gonna guess Apollo attack + Apollo legendary would go crazy

[clear crest]

what's the best way to use persephone's omega special? go straight into foes or circle them so for the projectile waves?

[spiral wadi]

ospec gives u complete immunity so prob circle whatever u want to kill

[clear crest]

ospec?

[proper cloak]

Omega special

[elder falcon]

I did zeus attack hesia special, my strat was sending out the omega attack and then doing my omega special and letting the double omega special clean things up while I picked up all the revenants

[clear crest]

is Zeus' infusion perk worth it?

[hoary quiver]

In the R4 typhon fight, when chronos' image deals the killing blow, will the Evil Eye track him or typhon?