h2-builds-and-combat

[plain fossil]

Wont always show up but sure

[digital juniper]

tether is most useful for damage at erebus really, especially with onion

[spiral wadi]

ye, otherwise hope lmao

i wonder if tether still backstabs like in ea

[vernal quiver]

Is there a specific setup fresh file aims for like hades 1 does or no??

[spiral wadi]

i think beach ball duo

[vital ledge]

how you guys can make super grandpa even harder with pain/grit is beyond me. I lose half the time without anything else than rivals 4 frenzy 1 + stuff that adds up to 32 without making me weaker

[digital juniper]

https://scientific-paprika-b40.notion.site/Hades-2-Fresh-File-First-Run-Guide-5cd1b0c40f82421fbf17c5d2ae020bf9 here is a guide made by a member in the speedrunning community that goes over fresh file runs very thoroughly

ah she is in this server too, the guide is a courtesy of @timid acorn

[vernal quiver]

Ooo sick tyty

[gleaming vessel]

Question:
https://imgur.com/a/RpoDtP3
sister blades with backstab aspect
Volcanic strike epic level 4

Choice from rare Grand Caldera, Premium service and epic Furnace Blast about to be made, what do I do? I guess premium service is never an option here?

[spiral wadi]

i like furnace blast just cuz it gives a decent boost to all ur dps, not just blasts

premium service is also fun tho i imagine ur not really playing for atk/spec backstabs with blasts

[gleaming vessel]

yeah my attacks are not that impressive

https://imgur.com/a/5bSVUlN

[spiral wadi]

ye, i do wish pomming furnace blast was stronger overall cuz it kinda scales off massively lmao

tbh u can do caldera or furnace it doesn't really matter long as ur blasts r doing things

personally i just like the glow effect LOL, also procs origination if u need that

[gleaming vessel]

whats that

[spiral wadi]

origination's the 5 card arcana that increases all dmg by 50% if enemies have 2 or more olympian status effects

[gleaming vessel]

aha, I do not have that one

[spiral wadi]

ye it's a standard card to have, should prob get that one at some point

[gleaming vessel]

It does sound neat indeed, havent looked or touched the cards in a looong time

is it possible to se how much dps/damage things have made during a run if you die?

[spiral wadi]

unfortunately no, i think i feedback'd that one at some point but nah it's not possible

[gleaming vessel]

really interested to see how Trick knives performs

and on top of being suspicious to the damage output of tricky knives, i'm even having doubts the choice of taking Killing Stroke was wrong, 12% crit on your special and prime 40

lol, damn, I had the keepsake which takes two boons, got premium service instead of caldera of course....

[digital juniper]

Trick knives is the best hammer for blades, period

[signal coral]

dash attack is already a pretty fast attack that does 45 damage

so what if we added a hammer that made it deal 6 more hits and added 150 damage to the move?

[gleaming vessel]

hm, never even thought about the fact that it says 3 times

this must still be a divine dash right (https://imgur.com/a/4RDBym8)

[signal coral]

i would just click phalanx shot for the fated list but divine dash is stronger

[versed marlin]

Bosses always run away from my cast 🙁 . What do I do?

[signal coral]

depends on the boss

but them being able to move out of cast is normal

for the bosses that chase you you can just position in a way such that they keep standing in the cast

for the bosses that run away from you you'll have to make do with the fact that sometimes they will move out

[versed marlin]

Well, lets go dowm the list: Hecate.

[signal coral]

she mostly stands still so you should be able to keep her in your cast most of the time

sometimes she will teleport but its pretty infrequent

[versed marlin]

Yeah, thats true

Polyphemus

[signal coral]

you can keep him in your cast most of the time as well

its not a big deal for bosses most of the time tbh

[versed marlin]

Eris is the worst. What do I do for her?

[signal coral]

probably not rely on omega cast much

she will stand still when she's aiming her gun which is a good time to hit her

you can get really close and run around in circles/dash through her to avoid getting shot

and during that time she's stationary

[versed marlin]

I never use omega cast unless I'm using Charon of course. The main problem is when I play Pan.

Prometheus moves out of cast a good bit as well.

[signal coral]

a lot of the time he tries to approach you so if you stay in melee range he doesnt move much

he sometimes backdashes and does random stuff

but generally his ai moves to get in melee range

[uneven palm]

Yeah Prom’s usual cycle has him approaching you. That’s when you cast.

[plain fossil]

Polyphemus cant jump out of your cast btw

He can only do the superman jump out of it, not the regular hops. He'll just hop in place

For me its just eris thats rly troll when ur playing cast-heavy builds, every other boss is fine

[forest hinge]

anyone have tips on how to use Nergal? keepsake, arcana, gameplay loop, things of that nature

[steep galleon]

Than is my favorite axe now I think

[full vale]

i agree 100%

[steep galleon]

Did a really fun build with zeus on attack, static shock, air quality, ares special, rallying cry etc. for my 32f surface clear

[severe fossil]

Am I the only one thinking that Jeweled Pom is so OP that it is boring? Like rerolls corner is dead, God keepsakes are almost dead...

[frigid tartan]

Guys, what would be your recommendation for mana recovery on moros aspect torches? I need something that will allow for perma fill. Thinking about Hestia, Apollo or Zeus

[viral yew]

Yes

[viral yew]

Apollo/hestia

[frigid tartan]

Apollo's legendary on the torches tho, not good right? I mean probably great damage, but +30 cost on every torch omega attack would be crazy with how fast they come out

[steep galleon]

Hera is the usual one for me

[frigid tartan]

Wouldn't Hera eventually run out of magic in longer fights tho? Specially with how fast torches go through it

And not only run out, but prime my whole bar

[glass bone]

Eh…. I feel torn. Like on the one hand, Jeweled Pom undeniably is one of (if not the) best keepsakes in the game, and is the best Region 1 keepsake now, on like nearly every single weapon. The Pom levels are a big deal (especially for Surface when you could get +18 Poms / +3 poms on 6 boons maximum in Region 1), and Gigaros Dash and Unseen Ire are busted as a start. But on the other hand, the old meta was considered stale too in a different way. Everybody complained about reroll corner, Origination, and Persistence being like 90-99% included in a run, and the builds were kind of finalized for every single weapon, variants and singular (e.g. Most people would always start Apollo keepsake for Charon for Lucid Gain). Really I think the problem is that Jeweled Pom is like… 2 keepsakes in one, and for Lore and Balance reasons, it’s kind of hard to change now…

[steep galleon]

It can, that's why you'll have to enlarge your mana bar consistently and maybe even look into lowering mana use from chaos and hammers (if you're going on the very mana taxing fine line/ocean swell route)

The upside is you won't ever have to think about mana ever

[uneven palm]

No he can absolutely jump out of a cast now

[narrow ore]

Trying to think how I might get the Dressed to Kill achievement, despite being clumsy. Thinking:

1. Range/standoff capability
2. Speed
3. Hephaestus for more armor
4. Silken Sash, starting in zone 2
5. Every bit of dodge, block, or hit negation I can find. Incl. Gale.

What did I miss?

[severe fossil]

For me all new keepsakes was a disappointment. I always liked that Hades 1/2 have things that allow u to control your build, but now this playstyle is just uncompetitive. Also there are some weapons that really need certain boons, and now they are in worse condition than weapons that don't care about which gods u choose.

[uneven palm]

Gamblers are living happy but not having rolls stinks

[narrow ore]

Also, is there a specific order in which DDs are lost, besides Pin and Athena renewables going first?

[uneven palm]

Right to left

[narrow ore]

Really? Simple enough. Good to know.

[uneven palm]

Real. "Lemme take Charon + Jeweled Pom out and… chamber 1 is Hestia attack/dash/gain. Great. Just great"

[viral yew]

I love not having rolls

[glass bone]

Then the question is; what’s to be done?

[plain fossil]

U sure? He still seems to hop in place for me

I can test + record tonight

[uneven palm]

He hasn't been pinned in casts for a couple of patches now. That'd be a big change

Happy to be proven wrong

[glass bone]

IMO, Fates Whim is supposed to be answer to the feedback, because everybody complained that “arcana is too stale”.

[plain fossil]

Its possible im wrong also ofc, i might be seeing what i expect to see

[glass bone]

Well, now there’s 2 viable options.

[plain fossil]

But i'll record later and ping u

[tall notch]

Update your arcana accordingly. You don't need death defiances and Persistence (if you are playing those) since your armor is your health bar, practically speaking

[glass bone]

Of course, Pom specifically (and Time Piece compared to Purse) is busted, so that could be nerfed if needed. But I’d be fine if Pom is objectively better than God Keepsakes, because it should be a trade of power vs consistency.

Like… objectively, Strength is better for damage than Death. But it’s less consistent because you have less effective HP than Death.

If we as a community can create some unified feedback, perhaps that could be implemented before SGG goes on to do the next thing

[severe fossil]

Npo, there is still 1 options)

[narrow ore]

Didn't even occur to me, but definitely true.

[glass bone]

There are 2 options. After the bug fix with Onion, you can still play exactly how you would in Patch 11.

And there have been faster and better runs without Fates Whim, than with. I’ve had Jeweled Pom runs be slower than my runs without in Patch 11.

[viral yew]

Both rolls and fates are good options now

[plain fossil]

Depends what u want to do, surely

[viral yew]

Fates could probably be taken down by a level tho

[severe fossil]

I mean, I tried both and Jeweled Pom is just busted. Also in the ladder 59F+ there are 0 god keepsakes, 90% jeweled Pom first pick.

[plain fossil]

Like if i want to push higher fear on a setup thats good with pom, i click pom

If i want to push higher fear on a setup thats good with god keepsakes, i still click pom and reset till i get what i need

[viral yew]

The game is balanced for 32f and below, it's impossible to do both high fear and normal game

[plain fossil]

Thats not great imo

[boreal tapir]

i did it by starting with silken sash and just restarting until i got a hephaestus start

[severe fossil]

Of course both rerrolls and god keepsaked hasn;t been nerfed, but Fates Whim is definitely stronger style to play ...

[tall notch]

Objectively speaking pom is busted, but personally it's fun enough that I'm fine playing with it instead of god keepsakes all the time, i like gambling

[plain fossil]

Im still not at the point where im trying to push super high fear yet im just facerolling 32s until i understand how rivals work

But if the EA patches i played seriously is any guide i think high fear is fundamentally unbalanceable in this game, and thats ok since its a single player game with no leaderboard

[glass bone]

That’s why I said “Viable”. Not “2 Equal options”. Pom is stronger, but it takes away reliability. I’d say it’s because Jeweled Pom (and Time piece compared to Gold Purse / Travel Deal / Quick Buck) is overtuned (rather than the fundamental design of Fates Whim being flawed), and also perhaps a little amount of New Toy Syndrome.

[plain fossil]

So i think maybe we just put up with it

[plain fossil]

Na i think from a balance perspective if u can reset seed with no cost then at some level of being optimal it's always optimal to pick the highest power lowest consistency option and reset seed to deal with consistency

And resetting seed with no cost is probably important to keep the game fun as its single player not competitive etc

[viral yew]

Yeah the amount of people who won't even make it to 32f astronomically outweigh the people that will get past 40-50f

[plain fossil]

Ofc

[junior trail]

ngl in-game leaderboards are such a bad idea, especially for PC games, where tons of people just cheat anyway it ends up feeling pointless real quick

[viral yew]

So it makes sense they balance it for them and we just deal and go as far as we can

[tall notch]

Also i feel like pom is strangely consistent for a gambler keepsake. With +3 pom levels, strategies that normally wouldn't make the cut damage-wise get enough of a power boost to become good options

[glass bone]

Also there is no way to mess with the numbers easily… like… idk, I guess you could make it such that the boon is only granted once for UW, and at Region 4? Alternatively you can screw with the lore bit and chuck out the Pom levels (because the Poms start at +1 for a Level 1 Keepsake, it would be weird for it to be +0 at Level 1)

[steep galleon]

I don't think 32f is supposed to be balanced either, it's like the super giga ultra hard mode as far as Supergiant and the general playerbase are concerned (24f for surface).

[tall notch]

They could give it the Persephone skull treatment of pom levels being random

[plain fossil]

Ye turns out dogwater build + level 4 storm ring = real build lul

[viral yew]

32f is pretty balanced imo, I did all aspects no trouble with a mix of rolls and pom

[junior trail]

ehhh

[glass bone]

That’s true… but then that’s even more resets.

[dire shell]

Which boon is being discussed? I’m confused

[plain fossil]

I mean i dont think its balanced i just think its doable with the bad option

[glass bone]

||The boon from Hades given at random||

[tall notch]

For speedruns maybe but high fear I don't think you'd want to spam reset for levels on the post-onion boon for your own sanity

[severe fossil]

32f is just easy) If u could do it with any build doesn't mean that the game has a good balance.

[viral yew]

32f is easy yes, but it's the maximum difficulty recognised by the game

[glass bone]

32 Fear is easy to players who have gone higher. This is a Roguelite story game.

We here are talking about a set of self-imposed challenges that like… less than 10% for Speedruns + High Fear, or even 1% for High fear, will ever do.

[plain fossil]

Yea i think to the zerg guy if ur expecting tight balance at high fear this probably isnt the game for it

[steep galleon]

The bosses are definitely not balanced with frenzy 2 in mind, definitely not VoR.

[plain fossil]

U just do it until u get annoyed and then go do something else

[signal coral]

bosses are definitely balanced with frenzy 2 in mind

[steep galleon]

Ok

[viral yew]

The bosses feel fine with frenzy 2

[signal coral]

theres specific code in the game to limit the attack speed of certain boss moves to make them still dodgeable at max frenzy

[plain fossil]

Agree bosses are fine with frenzy 2

[plain fossil]

Which ones lul

Im guessing polyphemus jumps

[glass bone]

Ideally we do balance around everything the players want, and SGG has listened to the high fear folks several times, but… high fear is certainly a challenge to balance. And idk what is best now for Jeweled Pom after 1.0 released…

[signal coral]

was seeing a dataminer talk about the bug where sometimes a boss goes sicko mode and its attack speed giga glitches out

[tall notch]

Rivals bosses specifically have had some moves adjusted to not be affected by frenzy to avoid unfairness, idk if they ever gave a complete list though

[signal coral]

and how it might be related to the frenzy attack speed cap that bosses have

[glass bone]

Ignore feedback about Rival Scylla tho from Patch 11 /j

[junior trail]

idk bro just get fire away

[glass bone]

That’s not gonna help against the supersonic Scylla bug

[tall notch]

Scylla zoomies are a feature

[glass bone]

No the actual killer is Eclipse Godsent

[uneven palm]

This is true. Like turns out pretty much every gain boon works well if you’ve got 4 levels in it

[plain fossil]

Dont get me wrong or anything i dont like pom balance either, like everyone else, i just think as long as resets are free then a) either its going to be worth resetting for, and therefore op, or b) it wont be worth resetting for, in which case god boons and rerolls will be better

[signal coral]

I do want to say that frenzy 2 is really hard and you will probably die horribly for 10-20 runs while first learning it, but it's really just something that you need to get used to
the game is still definitely balanced to be playable on +40 enemy speed

[digital juniper]

except grisly gain, that’s still balls

[glass bone]

Which btw, I am surprised that Total Eclipse Godsent vs Scylla, and Deep Dissent didn’t get touched.

Like… okay… cool. Thanks for keeping my panic delete buttons available.

[plain fossil]

So im not sure theres a world where both are sometimes good, because free resets deal with most of the drawback of pom at the cost of ur sanity

[signal coral]

btw @plain fossil this was the context apparently
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdSomTwkqas

random glitch sometimes where a slowing effect + frenzy 2 will cause a boss to gain giga attack speed

[plain fossil]

Huh thats wild

[glass bone]

No that’s a different bug I think. Scylla Zoomies happens way more often, and I think we still don’t know why

[junior trail]

idk bro just get sanguinary

[tall notch]

I feel like it should be possible reach a point in balancing where pom is worth it for the more build-agnostic weapons and those that want something specific do better with god keepsakes

[glass bone]

Grisly Gain has one great use imo. And that’s vs. Rival Cerberus and Chronos

[signal coral]

pom trades consistency for power

[glass bone]

Plasma can actually be used as a replacement for Blinding Rush / Nitro Boost

I’ve done it at 62 iirc, and it can work.

[signal coral]

I think that pom is stronger than god keepsakes but it does have a bigger potential to low roll

[digital juniper]

idk i saw east take a lvl 6 (jpom +2 poms) bluegrisly gain on nergal and it was absolutely pain, i don’t remember how far he got

[plain fossil]

Ok but if i want something specific, why am i not just clicking pom and resetting till i get the start i want

[digital juniper]

fr just get a legendary to make your gain boon viable

[signal coral]

for high fear players I think pom start is good though because if you low roll you are probably dead anyways so going for pom high rolls is good

[glass bone]

I mean it’s not great as a gain / restoring magick, but…… on low-no magickless weapons, I could see myself taking Grisly Gain (e.g all of the Sister Blades)

[digital juniper]

but you also could just not take a gain boon and take another boon

[plain fossil]

Other than because it's really annoying i guess, which doesnt strike me as a good gameplay loop

[viral yew]

Also because of forfeit having the extra boon power is rlly nice

[steep galleon]

The game is playable and the VoR bosses are beatable, but they are still extremely difficult on frenzy 2. It seems pretty clear to me that 0 frenzy is the intended way of fighting them

[digital juniper]

that’s the way i’m thinking about it

[tall notch]

In context of high fear, existence of onion makes it so that spamming resets isn't as plausible. For speeds/low fear, I'm afraid I can't answer that for you I'm afraid 😔

[plain fossil]

I mean u can still do it, it's just giga tedious

[glass bone]

62 Void Variant

[signal coral]

for speed there is a lot of discussion about pom vs no pom

[digital juniper]

for speed pom is just fun, god keepsake and rerolls is more consistent

[signal coral]

at the end of the day speedrunning hades 2 already has a huge amount of rng in it so while adding pom gives an extra chance to high roll, that means even more resets

[digital juniper]

pom can net you a higher high if you “just hit everything you need”

[uneven palm]

Honestly that’s what it feels like now. Maybe half the aspects can roll with whatever, other half are pickier and will have a better time with rolls and god keepsakes. Like you could constantly reset but thats a slog

[glass bone]

and perhaps that’s a good thing, right?

That there’s something strong for all aspects?

[signal coral]

like you can have a bigger high roll but are you really going to be able to reset for the optimal pom start + seeing later boons that you need + getting good free room rng?

versus just taking the more consistent start and only needing to roll the later rng

meaning you have many more possible attempts to see the good rng later rather than sitting there restarting for pom over and over

[glass bone]

Like just because Circe, Mel Staff, and Medea are some of the best aspects in the game at high fear, that’s not stopped people from doing runs with Selene, Supay, Mel Axe and Than Axe, etc.

[tall notch]

I feel like the split of aspects that can roll with pom and aspects that'd rather get something specific via god keepsake isn't exactly 50/50 because of how overtuned fates whim is rn

[signal coral]

i think its a good thing that most aspects can roll with whatever

I would prefer weapons to be flexible rather than being hard bound to a specific god

[viral yew]

I'm tryna get Shiva has high as I can atm for funsies

[signal coral]

it feels like in hades 1 more weapons had specific optimal core boons that you wanted to start with 100% of the time

whereas in hades 2 a lot more weapons are flexible

[plain fossil]

I mean sure maybe theres room for ppl to do no-pom runs for bragging rights but imo that's something better handled by balance and game design decisions

[signal coral]

which indirectly buffs pom

[plain fossil]

Rather than go, ok, we accept pom is op so we have a separate category for no-pom

[viral yew]

That'd work

[plain fossil]

I guess we already do that with seeded vs unseeded runs, because we accept that seeding is giga op and the game will fundamentally never let us get around that

[uneven palm]

I mean there’s flexibility but Having things where it’s like “oh this is heavy and slow I want a big +% and not Poseidon” or “oh this weapon chews magick I need heavy magick regen” is kinda the game.

If every weapon could ideally roll with anything every weapon is basically Mel Coat and everyone hates that haha

[plain fossil]

So we as a community just have a house rule ported from hades 1 where we say thing x is way too op and if u do that ur run gets put in the shame bucket

It's not ideal but i suppose it can work

[tall notch]

Ngl I'm really not a fan of treating keepsakes and a whole game mechanic like that, it's different to seeding runs

[plain fossil]

I mean i also hate it, but its related pretty closely to seeding runs because of how rng and resets work

[tall notch]

I'd rather see pom every run than have community try to ban it

[plain fossil]

This was my earlier point, that resetting for perfect seed is fundamentally op and right now its only balanced by tedium and community rules

[full vale]

whoever said something about cast working on polymepheus thank u so much idk why i never considered that

ive used it naturally but never realized how much it messed with his jump but also when he stomps. curious now how it works w rivals on

[plain fossil]

Did u record by any chance

[full vale]

nah im only playing on h4

[plain fossil]

I wanted to record later for unexplainedbacn but if i can be lazy and steal footage that would be awesome

[full vale]

it legit ocnfines him entirely to the circle tho, and when he is doing the slow stop accross the map it just stops it

[plain fossil]

Oh ok cool

Yea thats how it works i just started second-guessing myself when ppl questioned me on it in here

[full vale]

to any naysayers this man is not lying

does anyone have any advice for beating hecate with rivals on?

[plain fossil]

What are u struggling with in particular

[full vale]

i think just honestly understanding the fight overall

[uneven palm]

Maybe it’s just rivals then? Dude leaps outta the circle like it’s nothing

[full vale]

like, is it the same as normal hecate when she turns into three? also, that may be. i cant confirm for rivals but i wouldnt be surprised if that was the case

[plain fossil]

Darkside rings u dash through the same way u do poly, the barrage has a windup and u run in circles when she is doing that, if u need to find the correct hecate she's the only one that moves her feet so if u see a running hecate it's real, u can dodge through the sheep projectile to not get hit but if u cant do it consistently then just eat it quickly so it wears off faster, uh idk what else

[steep galleon]

Getting sheeped late is brutal

[full vale]

that is pretty comprehensive. thank you! yeah, i remember in the beta once i figured out you could dodge into it that was such a game changer bc for a while i thought it was just supposed to happen lol

[sudden belfry]

just unlocked anubis, what should i try on it

[sacred storm]

on-hit stuff on attack (poseidon, hestia) or big o-specials (e.g. apollo)

[sudden belfry]

gotcha!

[uneven palm]

Dash strike, cast, Hoover things into your doom zone with specials or o specials

@plain fossil https://youtu.be/y_JBoCGyUps?si=kDhz-St7UpoYTk48 here at 9:15 he’s clearly in the circle and hops out, not a phase transition Superman

[plain fossil]

Maybe only with rivals he can do that then? I'll do some testing tonight. Ive only been playing rivals recently so not sure

[full vale]

i cant disagree w that video but thats not what happened for me

for me he jumped to the edge of the circle and stayed there

like it was a clear stop at the border

[uneven palm]

Fun fact Anubis O attack can stop guardians in their tracks

But yeah like many patches back they just made guardians ignore casts because it was super inconsistent which ones got slowed down (Chronos, Poly, Cerb) and who just ignored the circle (Hecate, Prom). I feel like Poly’s uhh still inconsistent because I don’t think y’all are crazy I think sometimes his jumps get caught on, like, the air sometime

[sudden belfry]

which flame aspect is considered the best? other than the hidden one i dont have it yet

[sacred storm]

moros

[sudden belfry]

kk!

[junior trail]

moros > mel = eos

[inland pumice]

Is there a difference between shots travel speed and projectile speed? Enfeeblement of Cowards states "Foes' ranged shots have -40% travel speed." and Hard Target states "Foe Projectile Speed: -30%"

are these the same effect, just worded differently?

[sacred storm]

i think it's the same

[junior trail]

they're the same effect, reducing projectile speed
also stacks with gust

[sacred storm]

taking them both in one run is really funny btw

[inland pumice]

ah okay, I was just confused because the way they're presented is different

[inland pumice]

That's what I just did, lol, I wanted to see what would happen

[signal coral]

there used to be a glitch that let you pom hard target
if the number went above 100% then enemy projectiles would fly backwards and crash the game

[sacred storm]

they affect prometheus's memory game too, the flames take noticeably longer to travel the length of the arena if you stack them together. still fast overall, you can't leisurely meander out of the way, but it was a definite woah moment.

[plain fossil]

Arctic gale has to be in the conversation for best support boon in the game btw

It does so much

[inland pumice]

what I find interesting about gust is that it's a different curse from freeze, isn't it? But you can't use them both for origination I guess?

I remember I was reading a gust effect and it said "curse" on the side and I was like, huh that's interesting

[sacred storm]

used to but it was op because you could proc orig. from demeter alone between her cast and gust

so they nerfed orig to require curses from two different olympians

[plain fossil]

Origination counts gods not curses

U can use both but only one counts at a time

[inland pumice]

honestly gust slowing enemy projectiles throws me off sometimes. does it slow all projectiles?

[uneven palm]

Yup

[glass bone]

I feel like it’s Moros >= Eos > Mel >= Supay.

[plain fossil]

I cant think of anything that it doesnt slow

[glass bone]

Problem with Moros is it needs a magick boon, whereas Eos can wait for a magick boon for a long while, and due to ||Pom||, can take Unseen + Night

[junior trail]

yeah come to think of it, i think its moros = eos > mel = supay

[glass bone]

But Moros’s peak is higher

Moros vs Eos, feels like a weaker version of Circe vs Mel Staff (weaker as in, the aspects are weaker than Circe and Mel Staff)

Like one has a higher peak, but the other is set much faster.

[tacit rapids]

how does aspect of nyx omega sprint work? im holding it down but im not seeing it go off

[steep galleon]

It starts channeling automatically as you sprint

And then you run into someone to pop it

[tacit rapids]

oh you have to run into someone thank you

[steep galleon]

You can dash into them too btw, way safer than just running into them

[static badger]

Eris no damage what

might be the first good run in a minute

hey do her 100 percent bonus damages stack?

[viral yew]

No

They expire after a certain time

[static badger]

I was gonna say she really wanted me dead lol

what's the most health I can get?

[viral yew]

By eris? Normally I have around 200-250 if I prioritise health, but you can definitely get more with the right boons,

[static badger]

what about at olympus

[viral yew]

Probably 300-350

At best i'll have around 400 for typhon but typically only 250-300 at most because i don't need that much health

[static badger]

I hope dio gives me that life boost thing

what's the best keepsake

[viral yew]

You're better off hoping for the 50% life regen after every room

[viral yew]

For what?

[static badger]

olympus

never seen it

that'd be awesome for the summit

however that drunken dork doesn't wanna give it to me

[bitter ice]

Hey, i once had a boon that gave me life based on the magick i got but i cant remember which god gave it, does anyone know?

[viral yew]

Hephaestus

[viral yew]

Metallic droplet

[bitter ice]

Thank you

[static badger]

is that the best for any build or just what you run?

[half kindle]

WAIT

I chose a Selene's Hex in Erebus. But in the fields I got Hestia boons and when I got another path of stars my Hex became Olympian, IS THAT INTENDED?? It wasn't olympian before

[viral yew]

That's what I run

[wise swallow]

Tried out the black coat for the first time and got railed by Eris

[static badger]

droplet would probably run out right at the boss fight lol

[brave locust]

Ive hit a wall... I keep dying to this move that does 999 on second phase of the fight

[static badger]

who chronos

[brave locust]

i cant survive in the surface. so i cant get my aspects cuz i dont have the materials

[brave locust]

Yeh

[static badger]

there are a few attacks he does that just kill

is it the red one or the black one

[brave locust]

red i think

[past salmon]

stand in the circle

[static badger]

there's a little spot

[brave locust]

dang i totally did not realize that

[static badger]

the hard part is when he does it with enemies on the screen

there's one later on with a safe circle and two kill zones

stand on the circle strip and dodge around the clock hands

[brave locust]

should i have aspects before beating chronos?

[static badger]

they're actually the best time to deal a bit of damage to him before you run away

I mean the more you're upgraded the easier it'll be

[sudden belfry]

i cant seem to get persephones card (the queen or whatever, its the duo boon one) to activate?? it says "activate no more than 2 cards w the same grasp" and its grasp is 0, so i go to inactivate whatever i have with that grasp but the card doesn't get activated

[viral yew]

0 doesn't count

[viral yew]

I don't remember if you can or not

[static badger]

they auto activate if you do what's required

I had aspects before I beat him

[cerulean panther]

Each card costs 1-5 Grasp. If you have more than any two cards with the same Grasp (like Sorceress, Wayward Son, and Swift Runner) active at the same time, Queen will deactivate.

[sudden belfry]

i know but what do i have to inactivate??
ooh wait is it like i can only activate 2 1 cards, 2 2 cards, 2 3 cards etc

YEAHH i get it now

[viral yew]

This guy numbers

[static badger]

A
AA
A. AAA
AA
AAAA

is what I use

oh wait

[brave locust]

How do i unlock them? i cant acquire the materials for the incantation

[sudden belfry]

been trying to get freezer burn to come up and i DEFINITELY woulda beat ||typhon|| just now if i had it

[viral yew]

H u h?

[viral yew]

Which materials do u need?

[static badger]

ascii for active arcana cards

I'm old

[viral yew]

Right ok so standard roll arcana

[cerulean panther]

Does that set-up not activate the Queen?

[viral yew]

No wayward son is interesting

[static badger]

I usually get a little something from a shop for the same effects

I don't really get hit that often

[viral yew]

Fair enough

[static badger]

finally beat Prometheus again

time to go to the summit

[compact magnet]

I'm at Prometheus with 0 seconds left on Vow of Time, but with Ares' healing-on-hit boon
Chat I think it's over lmao, flames spec takes too long with no valid target

[static badger]

olympus drags on and on I know

I only do the 9 minutes and I'm still afraid on time

Prometheus has always taken me about 2 to 3 minutes

out of the 5 times now I've cleared it

[brave locust]

what aspect is good for dagger / axe?

[static badger]

I'm a fan of mels aspect for axe

[viral yew]

Which one's do u have unlocked

[static badger]

that omega special is cool

[viral yew]

It's my least favourite

[static badger]

goes to show how many play styles can be successful in this game

[viral yew]

Getting faster gets easier with more upgrades and practice, i normally finish a surface run in 12-13 minutes

[brave locust]

for dagger i have artemis and mel

and for axe i have mel charon and thanatos

[static badger]

I mean it'll take time just like getting there

[viral yew]

I've done all aspects at 32f, they're all good, some are just more good than others

[steep galleon]

Idk if I will bother with 32f Mel Axe

[viral yew]

It sucks lmao

[steep galleon]

Yep

[compact magnet]

Yeah I died lmao. Even if Prometheus didn't kill me from when I was going too ham on getting Axe Specials to proc healing so rapidly, I had to use my one Athena Death Defiance on just the first flames spec, so there was no shot I'd last through the 2nd longer flames spec
If I chose the Nightmare Form spec I might've made it, I think the invulnerability might also give invuln from Vow of Time -- the brief leap time of Wolf Pounce did prevent a tick or two of Time damage

[steep galleon]

I'm doing all (most) aspects 32f surface for now, I'll do underworld later

[static badger]

is it weird I don't do the whole death defiances anymore

i used to get excited to see them but it just doesn't work imo

[steep galleon]

DDs are good if you're struggling with bosses

Like me with VoR frenzy 2

[static badger]

I struggled a lot more with bosses when I used them lol

typhon mini bosses are easier than I expected

[steep galleon]

Tail is the easiest

[static badger]

wonder how many boons are available in a run

I think there's 10 in ephr

probably another 9 or 10 in the rift

probably 8 or 9 at Mount olympus

6 or 7 at the summit?

I mean I see most people completing it with around 35 or so

[steep galleon]

It depends on a lot of factors

[edgy nacelle]

on the surface the cap is a lot higher since you can get a LOT of mystery boon bags via hermes shrines
also travel deal can go crazy with enough money

[static badger]

I love travel deal

[edgy nacelle]

• running into optional NPCs adds more, in theory concave stone even if it's kinda meh... a lot of factors for sure

[steep galleon]

Hermes shrines, vow of denial, rerolling major finds into a boon etc

All affect the boon number by the end

[static badger]

I was talking just doors tho

[steep galleon]

And with vow of denial you have to stop taking gods at some point anyway to not brick your run

[static badger]

I only tried denial in the underworld

[wise swallow]

where do i find darkness

[steep galleon]

Pretty lame keepsake honestly, would have been better if you like had a guaranteed chance to pick 2 of your choice once in a run at whatever point you deem necessary

[edgy nacelle]

chaos
it's the equivalent of plants you can pick up for that "region"

[viral yew]

Chaos

[wise swallow]

ah, thanks!

[brave locust]

what kinds of boons should i look for for torches?

i went with mel aspect cuz its all i got atm

[viral yew]

Zeus/pos/hera/hestia

[sage flame]

blitz 🗣️ 🔥

ive found ares specials is pretty good on torches

[steep galleon]

Ares can fit into anything same as Zeus

[plain fossil]

Im not a big ares enjoyer most of the time, i find the numbers very small for what it gives

Er that is to say, ares attack/special

[steep galleon]

It's mostly cause of things he enables via his tree like grievous blow, mutual destruction is also nice

And 1/2 origination

Rallying cry is nice on a flat dmg build

Though you need quite a lot of earth

[opaque holly]

Hi all. Noob here, got the game last week and haven’t won a single run yet (20 nights so far?)

Mostly I think it’s a knowledge/skill issue with learning the enemy mechanics and controls

[plain fossil]

Perfectly normal

[opaque holly]

I focused on maxing out my grasp first so I’m at 27 so far

Maxed out Mel staff and Mel torches

[plain fossil]

Also perfectly normal

[edgy nacelle]

very normal! especially if you didn't play the first one
if you do too well on the first 10 or so attempts the game actively makes it harder for you to win since the intended experience is to take multiple attempts, so don't worry about that

maxing out grasp + doing incantations is great, in general

[opaque holly]

Which feel best to play so far

I’m curious if playing without rerolls is recommended for a new player? I got spoiled on postgame keepsakes and love the idea of having to play with what the game gives you

Didn’t want to play the game one way for 50-100h then swap entirely

[plain fossil]

Good to learn how to play with rerolls tbh

[sage flame]

i mean thats what EA players have basically done

[opaque holly]

Fair enough

[sage flame]

its not that hard of a swap lol, just less things to think about in the end lol

[edgy nacelle]

personally I recommend playing with rerolls until you get those keepsakes, and even afterwards you can swap back and forth. rerolls and great, the new keepsakes are kinda absurdly op which they have to be to be worth giving up rerolls.
rerolls will also help you learn the boon system better, since they make it easier to aim for specific combos and see how they feel

[plain fossil]

Its not a major playstyle difference and if u dont have pom ur shooting urself in the nuts by not clicking rerolls

[opaque holly]

Yeh makes sense

[sage flame]

rerolls are good and its worth the grasp

[edgy nacelle]

they also make it easier to finish the prophecies for getting every boon/duo boon etc, which is nice to get resources early

[opaque holly]

Everyone says excellence sucks

[sage flame]

this is pretty true

[plain fossil]

Everyone is right, for once

[opaque holly]

My body needs moon dust badly lol. Base version of rerolls gives me 4 which is okay but I feel like you need the 7-10 from higher levels

Okay fair enough. God keepsakes and rerolls it is

How many completed runs does it take to actually complete the story?

[plain fossil]

The big thing god keepsakes help for learning is u get to pick the stuff that makes sense

[opaque holly]

Hera on Mel torch feels good so far

I haven’t understood how to play the staff properly

Scorch seems very good but wasted on Mel torch

I haven’t done anything with Zeus yet

[viral yew]

||7 and 5||

[sage flame]

someone did a fresh file to credits speedrun and it was ~7 hours of game? so extrapolate ~30-40 minutes to a run maybe average?

[viral yew]

Zeus is one of the best gods

[opaque holly]

Ya I need to try blitz more

I guess blitz on special and % on attack would work for a Mel torch setup?

[edgy nacelle]

have you unlocked other aspects?
if you like Mel torch you'll probably like Moros torch too, the ideal way to play them is p much the same but Moros is very strong. not that Mel is bad tho, all the torches are solid

[sage flame]

which comes out to about 14 runs which makes sense with what @viral yew said 🔥 nice

[plain fossil]

Zeus is probably the god im most likely to have in randomly selected build

#2 is probably demeter

[opaque holly]

Demeter is great

Love the freeze

[plain fossil]

Zeus just has so much damage whether as core or support boons he be hard to skip

[opaque holly]

I’m figuring out what to do with Heph. Everyone recommends him for defensive which I kinda get but I’ve taken and lost all my armor from heavy metal way too many times lol

[plain fossil]

Its fine to lose all ur armor from heavy metal

The alternative is losing all ur hp

[edgy nacelle]

imo heavy metal is probably my least favorite defensive heph boon, altho it's not bad!
trusty shield is my favorite. you don't get much armor, but it's at least 1 free hit per room. similar deal with security system.
and then uncanny fortitude is just nice

[wise swallow]

I love heavy metal

[edgy nacelle]

I just always take it on runs where I lose it too soon to enjoy it lol

[plain fossil]

I miss mint condition

This security system stuff can suck my nuts

[wise swallow]

Oh I don't mean Hephaestus boon

[edgy nacelle]

also if you want to use Heph for offense you can def do that too!
getting rarity + pom levels on his attack or special and then fishing for duos makes blasts pop off. hestia, apollo, poseidon, and demeter duos are all good
(but when I do that it tends to be the theme of the whole run, whereas for defense he can slot into any build rly easily)

[opaque holly]

Ahhh I see

[junior trail]

imo aphro > demeter because love handles+sunny, deme is just cryo

[edgy nacelle]

ooh true
tbh I usually just get hestia + apollo and then whoever else happens to show up

[humble dagger]

what are some good god duos? I've played Hestia + Demeter on my blades far too much that I only know of Freezer Burn

[plain fossil]

Most god duos are worth at least considering when u see them

[opaque holly]

Is Apollo a solid pick outside his legendary?

[steep galleon]

Still haven't experimented a lot with Heph's legendary, i think it should really shine with Morrigan in particular

[opaque holly]

Like his tier 2 boons after taking attack or special

[steep galleon]

I'm leaving hidden aspects for last though

[plain fossil]

Hard planning for them is usually the domain of youtube videos and resetting a lot since theyre by no means certain to actually show up

[viral yew]

Kings ransom

[plain fossil]

Worth considering, sure

Sometimes i click it, sometimes i dont

[steep galleon]

Don't sleep on sun worshipper... it did insane dmg to Typhon

[plain fossil]

Im not sure if theres any genuinely terrible duos anymore

[junior trail]

glorious

[plain fossil]

Although i havent tried many of them post EA changes

[steep galleon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1383166531730673777/1425326882265763921/Screenshot_1630.png?ex=68e8801a&is=68e72e9a&hm=aa61dd1926e16029f8afc0997a14cd7d5fa0eca5f2386d5612ae2939dbf71702&

[sage flame]

this is the biggest one id say

at least you can actually see the bolts now with pflare's ring vfx

[olive tusk]

hey gang what's a good aspect of nergal build

[viral yew]

Apollo attack, non-stop omega attack

[olive tusk]

i avoid omega apollo builds cause aspect of charon destroys nergal there

is there nothing else thats as good?

[viral yew]

Not really

[sage flame]

psychic whirlwind nergal sweeps charon

[wise swallow]

Ive found no darkness in these last few chaos runs

[static badger]

actually loving it with zeus

[olive tusk]

high fear sure

[static badger]

low fear clan woot

[olive tusk]

aspect of morrigan haphaestus is so funny

probably my favourite build in the game so far

[plain fossil]

Whats wrong with glorious disaster

[edgy nacelle]

do you have all the familiars unlocked? since it counts as a plant Gale should boost the chances in theory

[plain fossil]

Does it not work with charon anymore or something

[sage flame]

takes forever to charge, mostly, and yea doesnt work with charon, pflare will still work tho afaik

[wise swallow]

No, Which one is gale

[plain fossil]

Oh ok its useless then

Manually casting glorious disaster is the nut low

[sage flame]

polecat :)

[static badger]

faster cast and charge is so much better to play

[edgy nacelle]

the last one for most people, the polecat you find at the final shop in surface region 3

[steep galleon]

It used to be optimal on Charon but I don't think I ever clicked it in 1.0

[wise swallow]

ooop, noted

[plain fossil]

It was always a lil winmore on charon but it did do damage

[viral yew]

Ur not gonna do high fear

[static badger]

I can do underworld

[plain fossil]

Everyone can do high fear

Completing any rooms is a different story

[spiral wadi]

the voices in my head the voices in my head the voices in my

[junior trail]

winner is the way to go with glorious but ehhh

[plain fossil]

Reddit told me 32 is high fear okay

[viral yew]

You probably suffer from autism and as such are considered an anomaly

[spiral wadi]

LOL i mean i probably do undiagnosed

[viral yew]

Reddit is full of wingnuts

[steep galleon]

Everything under 67 is low fear 🗿

[junior trail]

😭 ?

[edgy nacelle]

glorious disaster + Hel omega attack build, for those who enjoy spending 80% of their playtime channeling

[viral yew]

Mid fear at best

[static badger]

Hera and hepa are fighting again

[plain fossil]

67 mel axe with unplugged controller or why even get out of bed scrub

[static badger]

white antler only

[plain fossil]

Antler is unironically easier than no antler in many cases

Things cant hit u if u crit them into next week

[static badger]

if the boss is dead I can't get swept

[viral yew]

I would run white antler except i doubt I could do chronos with 30 health

[static badger]

30 health and a crapton of armor

[sage flame]

still have no idea why dashing while holding down attack on ||hel|| cancels charging smh

[sage flame]

I believe

[viral yew]

Yeah but armour is annoying to get

[sage flame]

here's the strat trust

silken sash fields -> echo gives you keepsake boon to get sash in tart 🔥

add a humble trusty shield and ur golden

surely

[viral yew]

Right time to hope and pray

I'm going for sub 7.30

Is it worth taking pom over god keepsakes?

[static badger]

Usain bolt over here

I never do

[sage flame]

it can be, prob just have to do way more runs tho

[static badger]

gimme more gods

[viral yew]

My best is 8.03 but i'm in competition with malkin who is kicking my ass

[sage flame]

rng be rng

[viral yew]

Yeah i'm probably gonna play morrigan

Or medea, I'll see how I go

[plain fossil]

Whats the fear setup for speedruns

[sage flame]

for medea it's prob worth still starting zeus tbh

[plain fossil]

Is it just frenzy2 denial or do u click anything else

[viral yew]

Max timer and frenzy

[sage flame]

frenzy 2 and shadow for UW

[plain fossil]

Oh sure u dont need to click timer tho

[viral yew]

Yeah I'll try different setups

[viral yew]

I just do it for funsies

[edgy nacelle]

shadow for UW since it makes a specific miniboss faster

[viral yew]

Oh true that

[plain fossil]

Yea it makes shadowspiller faster im aware

[sage flame]

that's about it

[plain fossil]

I was confused the first time i saw it in a vod

[wise swallow]

whats a good attack for the black coat

[surreal hazel]

Nova strike

[viral yew]

Poseidon

[viral yew]

Interesting

[surreal hazel]

Never tried it?

[sage flame]

zeus 🗣️ 🔥

[surreal hazel]

Nova strike is alarmingly big on the coat

[viral yew]

No i have just not really an enjoyer

It's decent on shiva tho

[surreal hazel]

Shiva is coat

[sage flame]

what??????????????)?

[viral yew]

Ok but Shiva and the other coats are very different builds generally

[surreal hazel]

Ah but you see...

Big punch is big. Punch big. Really big punch go pow. Big.

[forest hinge]

use that Night arcana with Raki on biiiig Shiva punch.... boom

[viral yew]

Real

[surreal hazel]

Reaper and seige frame

[plain fossil]

I havent played much coat but ive been a bit uncomfortable with the falcon punch build on the normal coat aspects

[surreal hazel]

Punch emtire crowds, punch people in the next room. Punch aetos as he flies overhead

[wise swallow]

Im lazy so now i will Ask whats a good build for moros torches

[surreal hazel]

Everything

[forest hinge]

for anyone that doesnt know, Shiva's Big Punch lets you dash right after it to basically carry the dmg with you to wherever you dashed to

[wise swallow]

seems like Moros basically begs to eat through your Mana

[viral yew]

Yeah you need a good regen

[plain fossil]

Probably the highest mana consumption build in the game

Possessed array maybe

[surreal hazel]

When you go full fine line, yes.

[wise swallow]

Scalding vapor with air quality? 😳

[plain fossil]

Solve for that and ur rewarded with fat stacks of dps

[forest hinge]

Titan arcana and/or Hecuba familiar will give you a heavy buffer for the early game, but Hestia/Zeus/Poseidon Gain has good uptime on Moros

[viral yew]

With apollo legendary

[bitter ice]

The boon that makes you take damage from gold before health is from hermes?

[surreal hazel]

Yes. His legendary

[forest hinge]

you need to have at least one of his other boons already, and then Paid Dues(the legendary) is able to appear.

[viral yew]

Still never gotten it

[surreal hazel]

Appear to appear. I saw that

[bitter ice]

Ok, it isnt listed on the wiki am looking at, ty

[viral yew]

I love when boons appear to appear

[surreal hazel]

Take.... Excellence and pray

[forest hinge]

it is still a legendary, but the only fixed requirement is having another Hermes boon already; the rest is just luck... yippee

[viral yew]

I refuse to pay 5 grasp for that

[forest hinge]

Excellence is pretty good imo, i like the consistency

[viral yew]

Yeah that's the thing i've gotten the 2-3 hermes boons so many times and never pulled it

[surreal hazel]

You Coward! Cur! Sensible person!

[viral yew]

I just play with fear nowadays, can't be bothered with fun runs arm

[surreal hazel]

It's far too expensive for what it does. Rares aren't anything special

[plain fossil]

Pay 5 grasp to get all my mana reserved 💀

[surreal hazel]

Origination is the same cost and wrecks some serious face

[edgy nacelle]

also tbh for some boons I want them either epic or common, so I have the option to use phial if I want to 🤷

[forest hinge]

Boatman over Excellence then? I'm not keen on Unseen, and Origin is neccesary imo

[surreal hazel]

Boatman is okay. Also 5 graps can buy other stuff

[waxen gorge]

🙁 apollo legendary doesnt give you 2 daybreakers

[edgy nacelle]

if you're open to using the rerolls corner then absolutely boatman > excellence, if you're using post-game keepsakes then boatman is still pretty good tbh, but there's at least more of an argument to use it for other stuff
either excellence I guess or just stuff lower than 5 grasp

[wise swallow]

I wish I could fight with Charon's Oar

[forest hinge]

I'll be honest, some sick part of mind always prioritizes having The Queen active, so the 2:2 for each Grasp-tier is what I've been doing lolololol

[surreal hazel]

Then do the reroll corner with boaty mcboatface

[forest hinge]

yeah... think of effects like Daybreaker as a "byproduct" of using the Oattack

[edgy nacelle]

ahhh see.
if you're using the postgame keepsakes ||it's kinda impossible to have the queen active without another big drawback. the only 4 cost cards that aren't rerolls are death and strength, which is kind of an "either or" situation and weird to stack since strength is going to do nothing for most of the run. so your options are either run both of them and essentially waste 4 grasp, run <max grasp total, or turn off queen </3||

[viral yew]

Queen is overrated

[edgy nacelle]

I like it if it's easy to activate, duos are fun, but if my build is bending over backwards to accommodate it then nah

[forest hinge]

for the 4's i always go Death w/Champions, 3 rerolls plus defiances

[wise swallow]

the unseen?

[edgy nacelle]

yeah! and that's ideal, you just can't do that if you want to use the post-ending keepsakes so then you're forced to make weird choices
but if you're already using champions then absolutely use boatman, get the full fates corner for 10 rerolls it's great

[junior trail]

You are overrated 🫵

[edgy nacelle]

persistence, I assume (is that the name? the prom one, max magick)

[forest hinge]

i used to run the Fates corner during the early access, but i started using Excellence and such for consistency and would just power through whatever i got even if it was suuuuper ideal. But I've been seeing talk about "pom"?? is that just referring to the ||Jewelled Pom|| or whatever its called?

[viral yew]

Shiva is not overrated thank you very much

[viral yew]

Yes

[forest hinge]

I'll be honest, I haven't used a single postgame keepsake even once

[edgy nacelle]

yessss, gameplay mechanic spoilers:
||all three post-ending keepsakes only work if you have NO rerolls and don't use any god summoning keepsakes, but they're extremely op so worth the sacrifice. jewelled pom especially is great||
but personally I think more rerolls is better for consistency than more rare boons. up to you ofc, but not every boon cares about rarity, and it's easier to fish for duos + specific combos you want with more rerolls

[viral yew]

You're missing out

[junior trail]

Me obliterated by facts and logic

[viral yew]

It deserves more love

[forest hinge]

I'm surprised that I've never thought about this critically before, but do rerolls basically giving you exponentially higher chances to encounter duo boons compared to the flat +10% Queen gives you?

(im slightly tipsy so srry if like im overanalyzing this LOL)

[edgy nacelle]

worth knowing, all 3 post-game keepsakes still buff you after you take them off, so long as you don't turn off the prereq
||so jewelled pom is +4 levels to every single boon all run, it's absurd||
also idk about the math on rerolls versus queen...? each reroll gives you another chance to get offered the duo, but it's still a % chance each time

if you're playing with vow of denial and lock yourself out of every boon a god offers other than the duo you're still not guaranteed to see it, but each reroll is a new chance to like... win the roll for it to show up?

no idea how it maths out overall, but I like rerolls, + they can help you get the prereqs for a duo earlier too

[viral yew]

I only take rerolls if i'm playing smth like charon, pan, or medea

Even then I still take pom sometimes and reroll seed

[forest hinge]

wait.........................+4 by default means stuff like Hephestaus blasts are on a crazy cd from the start, though i guess u cant actually choose heph if using ||jewel pom||

[oblique hazel]

most times i start a run i have a build in mind so i almost never turn rerolls off

[edgy nacelle]

yess altho you can reroll your seed, and ALSO...
||jewelled pom stacks with persephone skull, so you can get offered lv4 through 9 or 10 boons the entire run lol||

[forest hinge]

same, thats why ive never tried the postgame relics

[oblique hazel]

i did a persephone run with ||jewelled pom|| once and just got a 2 second cooldown heph attack at the end of oceanus lol

[edgy nacelle]

also sometimes I look at the first god I'm offered and then change weapon/aspect, instead of forcing a specific god to match the weapon I want to play

[viral yew]

me running to Shiva every time I see apollo

[oblique hazel]

has anyone else here tried supay with gusts? i feel like i dont see anyone talk about it but its probably my favourite build and some of the most dps ive had in the game

it’s funny that one of the best synergies with air quality is gusts lol

[viral yew]

Static shock i would say still has better synergy

[steep galleon]

Psychic link, static shock

[wise swallow]

psychic link with air quality?

[oblique hazel]

those are probably more splashable but gusts are like 8-10 damage 5x a second while static shock is like 15-20 and most of the time more like 2x a second

and psychic link hits 50bp if you have origination and furies active so it’s less crazy than you’d think

[spiral wadi]

psychic can regularly hit top 3 for me

[forest hinge]

Frigid Sprint and Glorious Disaster have some of the shortest per/second tick rates in the game, so Air Quality with is like the most value you can get out of that infusion boon

[plain fossil]

This is a problem with air quality in general

The more generic damage u have the more useless it is

[oblique hazel]

yeah that’s very true and also kinda why i think gusts are the best synergy because their damage is so low that air quality almost always gets value

[forest hinge]

i think G.Disaster is smth like 13 dmg/sec, so AQ would be better than global boosts like Origin, but there are only so many cases like that available

[oblique hazel]

also you stack arctic gale on top and you’re doing like 500 flat dps with gusts alone

which, while a boring use, is very very good at activating blitz lol

frigid rush supay with air quality was my first 40 fear win

[wise swallow]

So Arctic gale plus zeus storm cast plus psychic leash with Frigid sprint and glorious disaster

and youre looking at a melting build

[plain fossil]

The point is not to maximize air quality lul

Unless ur making youtube videos

The point is to maximize damage

ie dont actually click glorious disaster

Since im told it doesnt work with charon anymore all it will do is make u sad

[oblique hazel]

it’s a fun thought experiment though (but yeah glorious disaster is so bad you’d probably get better dps without it lol)

[forest hinge]

do the effects of ||Jewel Pom|| remain if u switch off it?

[spiral wadi]

ye

all ur current boons remain lv4 and u keep ur hades gift

[viral yew]

Yes

[spiral wadi]

future boons ofc will not get lv4

[viral yew]

Only if u take a god keepsake

[oblique hazel]

i thought they did unless you take a god keepsake

[spiral wadi]

OH right i misread and thought it was about dropping the effect

[rugged moon]

Assume there is confusion on interpretation/misread of “switch off it”

[spiral wadi]

but yes, swapping the keepsake that isn't a god keepsake will let future boons also be lv4

[plain fossil]

Theres not many good reasons to take a god keepsake past region 1 even if ur playing with rerolls

It comes up sometimes, but for me prolly idk 10% of runs

[spiral wadi]

maybe athena if u want to highroll smth in fields/tart but otherwise eh

[plain fossil]

If u pick rerolls from an event does ur pom turn off

[spiral wadi]

i don't think narc can give rerolls if u have none

[plain fossil]

Can he not

How bout dat

[spiral wadi]

👀

[rugged moon]

You cant use them without the arcana that let you use them xD

[spiral wadi]

ye, and figurine/judgement can't give reroll cards while under fates whim anyway

[plain fossil]

Ye thats prolly true hey

[rugged moon]

Judgement and Circe keepsake also wont yeah

[wise swallow]

Can someone explain to me how rallying cry works like im drunk?

[rugged moon]

Barren will shut your ability to reroll off for the duration

Anything explicitly damage from a godboon is boosted

[spiral wadi]

if u have 8 rocks, all damage that comes from olympians (like blitz, scorch, hitch, froth, falling blades, blasts, etc.) get boosted

[rugged moon]

So blitz yes. Dem % increase no

[spiral wadi]

the problem is that +25% is kinda ass (or is it 50 idk)

[wise swallow]

oh so a flat 50 ok

[rugged moon]

50%

[plain fossil]

Its 50, which is good tbh, but 8 rocks is so much rocks

[spiral wadi]

it's also a lot of investment when u can also

origination furies, bam 80%

[plain fossil]

Who tf clicks 8 rocks on purpose

[rugged moon]

its hermes one thats 25

[wise swallow]

what if you already have 6 rocks in the early second area

[rugged moon]

Whats you maon damage

[wise swallow]

Moros aspect, still dont have a special core i only have poseidon attack core

[rugged moon]

Mmm … if you can manage heph with like low cd or zues on special is probably fine

[spiral wadi]

i never get why for 8 of an element u only get 25% bonus damage, when origination is super free for 50%

[wise swallow]

I was hoping to find hestia

SO i can get steam going, but good idea

[rugged moon]

Agree

[bitter ice]

does luckier tooth count as a deaths defiance?

[rugged moon]

Yes

[wise swallow]

This Ares 2 health per hit when below 40 is CRAZY

I CANNOT DIE

[rugged moon]

Its great

Just dont get stomped on

[wise swallow]

and ive got visceral impact + success rate

[rugged moon]

Bosses will still do 40+ in a hit

[wise swallow]

what boons decrease damage taken

[rugged moon]

Tough gain, brave face, weak

Frosty veneer

[plain fossil]

Giving me old suffering ptsd

112!

[spiral wadi]

me when p3 chronos does the hippity hoppity laser attack and i get hit for 88 damage

[rugged moon]

Would be funny to do hidden axe. Ares, Dem, Hera, Heph get all 3 damage reducers and double healing effects

[steep galleon]

I got it on my zeus than 32f surface run

[plain fossil]

Weirdchamp

[steep galleon]

You get rocks from Ares and I might have had heph and demeter as well as 1 or 2 from chaos I think

Ares was on special

[wise swallow]

gOT Wrecked

[signal coral]

8 rocks isnt super uncommon imo

its definitely rarer now than it used to be

[steep galleon]

If you're actively building toward it yeah

[signal coral]

but there was a point where ares heph demeter were all super good

and they just happen to all be rock

[steep galleon]

But you need some luck on the ephyra seed

[signal coral]

ares is kind of meh now but the other two are both good

also the incantation that harvests stuff automatically is helpful for building elements because sometimes you just get rock for free

[steep galleon]

I like Ares idk I usually make a place for him if he's offered early

[junior trail]

just roll for +3 elements chaos boon smh

[oblique hazel]

1 from resources, 1 from all together, 2 from narcissus, 4 from cherished heirloom-boosted creation from embryo. you dont even need a rock boon for 8 rock its literally too easy

[opaque gust]

Man — I dunno what’s up, but Hades 2 is still, after many hours, so much harder for me than 1… H1 I beat at 34 heat, and pretty consistently at 20+ heat, but H2 I still can’t get consistent wins with zero fear, and adding a bit of fear = no go. Are there others like me? 🙂 I’m at like 140 runs, so I guess H1 just fits my brain better.

[steep galleon]

There is still a learning curve even if you have h1 under your belt, everyone learns at their own pace

[wise swallow]

what do you think is better for moros attack core?

[elfin forge]

this might be more of a knowledge gap I think. If you have solid knowledge of gods and their niches, along with good keepsake selection, wins should be very consistent I think

for example, you would probably struggle if you had both zeus attack and special, but if you had hestia/apollo instead on one of them, your damage skyrockets

[signal coral]

imo hades 2 is easier than hades 1

but there is definitely a playstyle difference you need to adjust to

and also hades 2 starts you weak and has a LOT of metascaling and if you go from full power hades 1 to hades 2 while you're still leveling your file up its gonna be a big gap

[steep galleon]

With no fear active they're around the same in my view

[elfin forge]

Yeah, I think you can get really consistent when you have like, 20 grasp and most keepsakes unlocked, plus a familiar or two

[elfin forge]

surface is about the same, I think but underworld is much easier to break I think

[edgy egret]

yall what are the basically mandatory boons/gods for aspect of nergal?

[half kindle]

Hestia + Zeus on the Umbral Flames hits so hard

[edgy egret]

i was thinking zeus on the attack would be really good but wasnt sure if there were better options

[edgy egret]

hephaestus on umbral flames is busted

specifically aspect of moros

[elfin forge]

apollo attack

use that omega attack when possible, its quite good

[edgy egret]

does it make it a lot bigger like it does with the special for apollo? ive never taken apollos attack

[brazen echo]

All you need is a good percentage boon on attack tbh

[edgy egret]

cause it isnt really good for other weapons

[steep galleon]

In my experience from what I remember learning base Chronos was harder than base Hades, underworld in general is probably easier, though surface is harder I think

With VoR active I think Hades 2 is much harder in general

[elfin forge]

apollo size buff varies from attack to attack.

On slow powerful weapons you want large % like apollo/aphro/hera

On fast weapons you want hestia/poseidon

[brazen echo]

Yeah i think elysium and styx are harder than underworld

[elfin forge]

I strongly agree with this

[edgy egret]

ohhh that makes more sense thank you

[elfin forge]

zeus/demeter are best as support buttons, your attack/special that you dont use as much for your main damage

Heph and ares are kinda like that too but more niche, imo

[edgy egret]

why isnt hera the best support boons?

for nergal

[elfin forge]

Hera works well as support, she just comes with decent % to work with so she can also be a main button

nergal doesnt really use special that much imo so you dont really need to care about it, but opinions vary

[steep galleon]

Chronos was somewhat frustrating for me for a while before I had him down back in very early EA. When I returned for 1.0 I beat him on my 9th run and it was consistent wins after that until I started pushing fear. I had never played surface beyond Thessaly, but I did manage to get Prometheus on my 2nd try and Typhon on my 2nd or 3rd try, having general H2 experience helped with this I imagine, even though I was rusty.

[elfin forge]

but for nergal, I might do something like, apollo attack, apollo dash, aphro gain, demeter cast

Something like that

[edgy egret]

thanks a lot 🙏

[elfin forge]

you can obviously mix things up with like, hera dash, heph gain, and so on

[magic cobalt]

Hesta attack on Anubis staff is a lot of fun lol

Got scorch on my cast too, I just ran around the room setting everything on fire lol

[elfin forge]

yup hestia is good on stuff that hits relatively fast

poseidon anubis also exists and is pretty funny

[night lagoon]

Hephaestus should be slotted somewhere for his Legendary

[hybrid tulip]

Does anyone have advice for prometheus memory attack when you have to go from top quadrant to bottom quadrant. it feels like I don't have enough speed no matter what to dodge it

[spiral wadi]

dash twice

[manic shuttle]

gale

[novel maple]

dash and run on the left side of the map

[surreal hazel]

Stand closer to the middle lane and stsrt running earlier

Only the very front edge of the flame wave can hit you, so don't fear running through the trails

[torn plinth]

Pls gimme ur fave Nergal builds

[tall notch]

I like to walk up to the axe, click r1 and select Thanatos instead

[junior trail]

also me but charon

[torn plinth]

Thanatos my fave aspect but I wanna smash

[tall notch]

If you wanna actually play Nergal you pray for psychic whirlwind and let it heal you by a ton because whirlwind will very quickly proc berserk

[torn plinth]

Yeah I always choose psychic if i get it

Love that hammer

[turbid parrot]

i walk over to the staff and click mel

[surreal hazel]

Iron core and bonk

[proven imp]

Had a decent run last time but really struglled against cerby, with all-in on attack buff

[junior trail]

is nergal safe for glamour

[torn plinth]

Maybe ill try demeter attack i dont remember ever using that lol

[humble dagger]

What are the best hammers for Thanatos? And what should I put on special? I'm putting Hera on attack

[surreal hazel]

Demeter special so hou can quickly tap freeze on an enemy

[surreal hazel]

Rapid hack and psychic whirlygig

[torn plinth]

Psychic whirlwind

[surreal hazel]

Hera attack is a strong pick. But thanatos can basically make anything work

[humble dagger]

rapid slash or psychic whirlwind right? bc the wiki says they can't be used together

[wise swallow]

what do you tend to do with thanatos aspect?

[surreal hazel]

It's an excellent balance of speed, damage and aoe

[surreal hazel]

Wiki is wrong

[clever drum]

Any Supay tips?

[surreal hazel]

There's only one exclusive Hammer pair left in the game and it's on the skull

[tall notch]

Hera attack, mostly using the regular attack combo but weaving in whirls where appropriate (or just to proc huntress)

[humble dagger]

oh really? did 1.0 change that?

[surreal hazel]

Unseen did

Fetching array and whatever that hammer is thst does damage when skulls land

[proven imp]

I did a supay run yesterday, all-in'd on cast and just focus on dodgin n' casting and you're basically good

[surreal hazel]

Hera and zeus

[tall notch]

I can't believe they denied us Eos gamers our hidden helix in 1.0 😔

[proven imp]

didn't manage to get it but I posit hera dash would be the best

[surreal hazel]

Supay's base damage on attacks and specials is really low so you want good curses

Blitz, scorch, posideon waves (okay that isn't a curse)

[opaque holly]

Death vs Strength?

Reddit says strength

I’m on strength atm

[surreal hazel]

Or hitch because it spreads it so readily

[spiral wadi]

strength is solid ye

[half kindle]

I wished solo-god runs were possible outside the black stone. They are really fun

[proven imp]

im a strength guy, felt too easy decided to delibevrately not use it

[opaque holly]

I like that healing is better

[surreal hazel]

Depends on a lot of factors

[junior trail]

strength is okay until scars 3

[opaque holly]

I doubt I’ll ever get beyond 15-20 fear tbh

I don’t enjoy that kind of difficulty and don’t play games like these so I’m really really awful at H2 lol

[lean crypt]

Death does have more like, interactions

[surreal hazel]

Death lets you take toula

[opaque holly]

Athena and other sources of DDs?

[lean crypt]

Toula, Athena, skelly, moros, kiss of Styx and such

[surreal hazel]

And toula is actually a reasonable fighter now

[inland pumice]

I only did 32 fear because it was required for the nights champion stuff. Once I finished that and all the weapon bounties, I play around 12 fear just for a little difficulty and bonus rewards

Not sure if there’s any other reason to crank up fear like that

[opaque holly]

I’m on Frinos

[proven imp]

yea kitty works pretty well with supay

[opaque holly]

Raki Crit seems…small

[junior trail]

wiki bug list hasnt been properly updated since before unseen 1.0 revisit is needed

[opaque holly]

Unless I’m missing something

[surreal hazel]

Yeah same. High fear hates grit and hordes because they're poor choices. But I pick them with Rivals and nothing else so I have more to punch

I hate getting a really op combo I never really get to experience because everything just dies anyway

[upbeat solstice]

PSA: Heinous Affront does NOT trigger Hephaestus' Tough Gain 😔

[surreal hazel]

It's an 8% average damage multiplier

[lean crypt]

Morrigan:

[tall notch]

Did you know crits in this game are triple damage rather than double like most games?

[surreal hazel]

Final nova slice go brrrr

[torn plinth]

I find strength better early on with low fear levels so u can clear fast.

[lean crypt]

It's so BIG

[torn plinth]

Did u upgrade raki

[lean crypt]

Tho I prefer hera attack

[surreal hazel]

It's funny how the combo goes with final slice

[junior trail]

morrigan is romantic friendly too

[torn plinth]

I love aphrodite attack for big dmg n i like pink

[surreal hazel]

11x3, 132x3

[torn plinth]

If not aphro ill take apollo or hestia on thanatos attack

[lean crypt]

Huh?

[surreal hazel]

Slightly tickles them then rends them in twain

[wise swallow]

trying to get this moros Hestia attack hephaestus special build off the ground is difficult

[junior trail]

cuz you do be dash strike a lot

[tall notch]

I've not seen final slice in ages, is it even a real hammer?

[torn plinth]

Do u have hestia magick regen

U need regen asap with moros i find

[surreal hazel]

Romantic Spark

[wise swallow]

I do, its the damage thats lackluster right now

[opaque holly]

Ya maxed at 4%

I guess I’m mostly on Mel torch atm

[torn plinth]

U always have Omega specials up? And holding attack n dodging?

[opaque holly]

So I get slightly less multiplicative value from raki

[wise swallow]

yeah

[torn plinth]

Yeah but theres other ways to boost crit with boons

And it does 3x dmg

[surreal hazel]

Still adds to the same average bonus

[inland pumice]

God the new keepsakes make Hephaestus feel so much better. It’s great when you’re guaranteed a 4 second cooldown or below on those blast effects. Before I was more hesitant to take Hephaestus because I couldn’t guarantee low cooldowns most of the time but now I grab him every chance I get haha

[surreal hazel]

14% crit rate

[proven imp]

if ya stack crit up it do be gud

[unreal shore]

Aspect of medea is just easy mode

i suck at this game but i can clear underworld sub 15 minutes easy

[upbeat solstice]

thinking about it now... Is this a bug or a deliberate decision on the part of the Devs? Seems like it should have every reason to work

[surreal hazel]

+4% crit is still the same dps increase no matter what your crit rate otherwise is unless it's at 100% already

[opaque holly]

Additively ya

[surreal hazel]

It's not labelled as a revenge boon in the code

[opaque holly]

But 128% / 120% is less than 108% / 100%

[inland pumice]

My only issue on Medea is I keep trying to use it like the shield in Hades 1, so I special straight into a lot of attacks. Need to unlearn that and do more diagonal attacks

[opaque holly]

It’s a small difference

[surreal hazel]

But oddly... self healing is

[wise swallow]

DIED to cerberus

[unreal shore]

Lol same, i just try to clear the room as fast as possible instead of using my brain though

[junior trail]

u mean apollo's infusion?

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, You can use Retaliation on night bloom to give your summon self healing

For no reason

[junior trail]

pog

[surreal hazel]

It tries to trigger on heinous affront, but self healing sees no damage dealt to mel so it ignores it

[inland pumice]

Does anyone else find themselves skipping Dionysus on the surface? I tend to find his benefits kinda low impact compared to other side grades like Artemis or Circe etc

Maybe I’m missing something and he’s actually OP tho

[surreal hazel]

Depends on what the other door is

[junior trail]

reckless + AQ is fun

[surreal hazel]

Sometimes dio can save a run with bounce back and armour abuse

[humble dagger]

How do u unlock Morrigan? Blades are my favorite in this game, does the good ol Scorch blades + Final Slice/Wicked Onslaught/Rapid Onslaught/Skulking Onslaught still work well with Morrigan?

[surreal hazel]

You can bounce back to heal damage that was dealt to security system

[surreal hazel]

Max out aspect of pan or artemis then talk to arty

[opaque holly]

How do you really capitalize on heavy metal? What are the sources of perma armor other than Arachne, Icarus? Silken sash is tough and “don’t get hit” is real tough

[junior trail]

wait that still works in 1.0? or tied to security system only

[opaque holly]

Heph’s other armor boons are temporary

[inland pumice]

I suppose mostly shops/hermes shrines

[torn plinth]

I always hang with dionysus . I like the vibes

[opaque holly]

Ah okay. I’ve seen armor in shops but it’s inconsistent. Tbh I also make the mistake of skipping shops too often I think

Take the free centaur heart instead

[torn plinth]

If u got 200+ gold u should usually shop

[opaque holly]

If you have 300+ gold is it usually correct to take?

[torn plinth]

But depends on the other room

[opaque holly]

Ninja’d lol

[surreal hazel]

Works best with it

[inland pumice]

Most of the time I take shop with at least 200 gold, unless the other room is something I really need for my build

[opaque holly]

Makes sense

[torn plinth]

Theres a chance for daedelus hammers too

[novel maple]

charon is too greedy, with 200g i won't get anywhere 😭

[opaque holly]

I’ll try to keep that in mind

[humble dagger]

both are at level 5, now I wait for Artemis to show up at the Crossroads and talk to her?

[torn plinth]

U get a boon and a snack

[inland pumice]

You’re guaranteed a boon unless you’re playing fear and things cost more

[torn plinth]

Or a hammer if ur lucky

[inland pumice]

When I’m playing the higher fear with high cost items, yeah I skip a lot of shops

[novel maple]

that's why i said he's greedy 😉

[opaque holly]

Is money reward considered minor or major?

[inland pumice]

Cause I just don’t have the coin

[torn plinth]

Minor

[opaque holly]

Basically, is it usually gonna be offered opposite a boon or other major reward? Or only minor stuff like nectar

Trying to think why I haven’t taken money as often

[inland pumice]

Coins are offered with stuff like max hp increase

[opaque holly]

Ah ya that’s why

[inland pumice]

Not as low level as bones or ash, but kinda mid tier I guess

[opaque holly]

I’ve been trying to prioritize the HP

So often I’ll take health over cash

[inland pumice]

I think if you need hp it makes sense, since max HP in a shop costs 125 gold I believe

[opaque holly]

Full disclosure I’m on vacation away from my console so I haven’t actually played the game in a week, but have that craving lol

[inland pumice]

So 100 coins not as worth if you would buy it anyway

[opaque holly]

Need is a strong word

[inland pumice]

Unless you have a buff giving you extra gold or something

In that case I’ll usually go gold

Or like sea star

[opaque holly]

I have yet to win a run, but my losses are usually to Chronos underworld

HP is probably less of an issue than learning the mechanics and knowing when to dodge and when to commit to damage

[torn plinth]

Youll get him when ur back from vacation

And then youll get him 10 more times

[opaque holly]

That’s the spirit

[torn plinth]

Dmg > HP

[opaque holly]

I’m mostly excited to try and do runs with the post game keepsakes lol

I like the idea of not needing to take the entire reroll corner and just getting very powerful versions of whatever random stuff the game gives me

[torn plinth]

Ah i always got reroll corner

But i see the appeal of that

Also the 300 gold from boatman is very nice

[surreal hazel]

During a run

[wise swallow]

Should I put hephaestus on moros specials or attacks

[torn plinth]

I cant say no to 10 rerolls n 300 gold

[torn plinth]

Specials

[wise swallow]

Noted, will put Hephaestus on my instagram

[surreal hazel]

You can still take boatyman with new keepsakes

[opaque holly]

Ya I’d just drop the other two

[inland pumice]

Yeah what I like about the final keepsakes is that they enhance the game for players who have already done a lot of runs. Since I’ve done quite a few, this is perfect since it incentivizes just going with the flow and maybe trying combos I wouldn’t have necessarily been willing to try

Since I would just throw on my preferred god keepsake for whatever weapon it is

Now the runs feel more fresh and I also feel more powerful, it’s really nice

Btw is there a specific order I should take the fates whim keepsakes in? I tend to go Jeweled Pom, Calling Card, Time Piece

Idk if I’m doing it right but that seems reasonable to me

[wise swallow]

I wonder if there is a mod where I can change the name's of boons

[humble dagger]

Ah okay, thanks. Is Morrigan that different from regular blades?

[surreal hazel]

that's the order I use, but the third one is optional depending on how the run is going

[surreal hazel]

VERY different

[split igloo]

I pick calling card before jeweled pom, simply because calling card carries over and jeweled pom does not.

[surreal hazel]

my main advice is to understand how the new moves work and don't get too overfocused on the triad mechanic

[surreal hazel]

wrong

jewelled pom carries on for your entire run

[ionic venture]

Do y'all think Air Quality is awesome? especially for blitz builds?\

[humble dagger]

Dang I really like regular blades. Guess I'll just have to unlock it and try it out then, thanks

[surreal hazel]

It's either hilariously good or a nothingburger, largely down to "are you using demeter this run?"

[inland pumice]

Yeah in my experience jeweled Pom carries over. Even after I switch it out, I keep getting level 4-5 boons and my hades buff stays

I think all of the fates whim keepsakes do that

[surreal hazel]

yeah, they all stop working if you get rerolls for any reason during the run, but only then

[split igloo]

Maybe it's because I break fates whim picking an Olympian in 3rd area. My bad, did not know that.

[surreal hazel]

Cherished heirloom will only upgrade the keepsake if it's in your keepsake slot btw, or you take it after getting that duo

[shrewd fjord]

chat, hear me out
death defy card,
cat. Circe boon to make cat give more death defy
skelly tooth
Lim and oros
scorch on attack
freeze on special
the duo boon that pops scorch for big dps when froze

chat am I cooking or do I need to like stop playing this game. I bought it on sun and somehow already logged 20+ hours

[surreal hazel]

Take the experimental hammer, it will last for the rest of the run

[surreal hazel]

Average day in tartarus

[shrewd fjord]

get this guy out of here

go to sleep galan its 3:26 am

[split igloo]

You forgot Athena's Death Defiance for 150 primed magick 💀

[shrewd fjord]

OH YEA

you know we be death defy maxing 💪💪💪

[split igloo]

And chaos's legendary boon DD.

There's so many.

[opaque holly]

What is the math on divinity/excellence? Flat 20% chance for purples on each boon?