h2-builds-and-combat

[wispy iron]

So get a Dem/Pos mix to give a huge boost to ocast ?

[surreal hazel]

attack 3 times faster than mel axe

[wispy iron]

It's really hard to not hate mel's axe

[plain fossil]

U start apollo

[surreal hazel]

it's jokingly referred to as "Aspect of Dashing Heave" because you want Dashing Heave

[viral yew]

I hate mel axe

[plain fossil]

And then click whatever u want afterwards

[surreal hazel]

dash strike is quick, gains mel's +50 power, and dashing heave makes it more than twice as good

[plain fossil]

I like mel axe tbh

[wispy iron]

Which one is that ? I'm really bad with names

[hollow stag]

How is this for a Staff build? Rapid Thrasher Hammer, Mirrored Thrasher Hammer, Poseidon Attack, Hera Cast, Hera Magick, Zeus Static Shock, Zeus Power Surge

[surreal hazel]

dash strike is AoE and hits twice

[ebon grove]

Than and Mel axe are cool, I don't like the other two aspects.

[plain fossil]

The only time mel axe is bad is when u click too much and u get big chop by mistake

In which case u uninstall before the chop lands

[surreal hazel]

Power-wash simulator, yeah, it's strong as heck

[plain fossil]

Dont worry, you'll have time

[surreal hazel]

Me with Hellsplitter Thanatos....

(Also yeah, don't get hellsplitter with Mel axe, the extra 50 power fades into insigificance compared to Than's faster speed)

[wispy iron]

Thanks for the opinions everyone, I'll might go for another try on the axe, because I love just taking the thirsty weapon

(And I don't want another shield situation)

[ebon grove]

Than axe is particularly fun if you can get Apollo legendary.

[plain fossil]

For real tho, charon is like giga op at low fear

U dont even have to turn ur brain on

[wispy iron]

Is 25 considered low ?

[surreal hazel]

HellSplitter and Executioner's Chop on than is so dumb but it's fun dumb

[plain fossil]

Just cast --> start charging ospecial --> dash backwards while aiming forwards --> let go of ospecial --> screen explodes

Repeat x1000

[surreal hazel]

Go kill the father of all monsters and the titan of time with grace, finesse, technique and BONKBONKBONKBONK

[plain fossil]

And yea 25 fear is low enough that charon is super op

[eager panther]

best gain and special for aspect of pan?

[wispy iron]

aight, thanks

[plain fossil]

Charon is only bad at really high fear imo just because it doesnt work without a gain boon so ur erebus sucks nuts

[surreal hazel]

Best is subjective, but you'll never go wrong with zeus, hera or hestia

[wispy iron]

I will then take Aphro Gain

^ actively trying to brick their run

[surreal hazel]

Aspect of Lucid Gain

[wispy iron]

1.0 lucid gain is so comfy & good, love it

[plain fossil]

U can play hera gain if u have to, but lucid gain is basically built for charon so

[surreal hazel]

the gain amount nerf at 1.0 is such a nothing nerf too

[plain fossil]

Yea ur charon combo is 30 and ur gain with white lv1 lucid is 40

Only need mana upgrades if u have things that make ur ospecial more expensive

[wispy iron]

I can entirely forgo about either special or attack on a build and just treat the move as a duo enabler, but cast I something I never sleep on, even if it's an underwhelming effect. Origination enabler & movement lock is just good like that

[hollow stag]

Wait, Hestia would be better for Magick

[plain fossil]

And honestly most of those except giga cleaver are mid on charon because ur base combo alrdy does 5 billion dmg

[surreal hazel]

45 mana cost giga cleaver won't exhaust quickly if you're gaining 40 back each time

[surreal hazel]

Cardio gain is free with mirrored thrasher, yes

also consider that this is the ONE TIME that Power Surge is really good

[wispy iron]

Also, since we speaking of Charon & Apollo, how does the cast embiggen boon interact when Charon explodes the cast ? Keeps its size before explosion or max size ?

[surreal hazel]

not sure, actually

[wispy iron]

Guess that's something I'll test

[plain fossil]

Pretty sure u get the max size

[wispy iron]

Also thanks Plasma, I feel like half the time I'm asking stuff you're here and always helpful in your answers :)

[plain fossil]

Thats what it feels like to me, though i havent been recording, and it matches with available youtube footage

[surreal hazel]

S'cool

[cinder palm]

Okay wth is howling soul's issue? I aimed it straight at a singular enemy and it just made a sharp turn to miss it?????

[wispy iron]

Howling soul moment
The homing's weird, I need to practice it more

I think you need to actually curve it if you're far

[surreal hazel]

It aims at the closest enemy and has the turning circle of an ocean liner

Even if that enemy is behind you

[cinder palm]

The closet enemy is alone right in front of me 😭

[wispy iron]

Weren't you in tartarus with the laser pillars ?

[surreal hazel]

It really needs the lockon cone of the coat ospecial

[cinder palm]

Like literally only ONE enemy remaining and it still misses

[cinder palm]

No ephyra so idk what it's aiming at

[wispy iron]

Oh, the pylon maybe

[surreal hazel]

Lol maybe

[cinder palm]

I broke it already

[surreal hazel]

Or a golden vase idk

Barrel perhaps

[wispy iron]

Well, I don't hecking know

[unreal shore]

How the hell do i evade the pink bullet hell pattern of the octopus boss in thessaly

[surreal hazel]

Howling soul marches to its own drum

[plain fossil]

https://youtu.be/N33kjG9JhoI?si=fTSNW4GahjCFaJxK&t=1163 @wispy iron @orchid grotto u can see the cast pop to max size as it goes off here

[surreal hazel]

Run to corner, wait as long as possible. Then leg it

[barren blaze]

Does the huntress works on primed magick?

[plain fossil]

Thats not me, just some youtube rando

[surreal hazel]

No

[plain fossil]

It used to, was patched at some point

[wispy iron]

Thanks for checking 💙

need to skeddadle, I only have 30 minutes before my dark heresy campaign, cyall later

[plain fossil]

That might just be the cleave cast actually, its not that easy to check

[surreal hazel]

cleave cast adds +30% radius

[unreal shore]

I try to stall it but i end up getting hit a ton in the end😭

[surreal hazel]

so it's hard to tell what's happening

[plain fossil]

Yeah i realized after

[surreal hazel]

real hacks, just wait in the far corner by the door, hug it as much as possible and wait there

[plain fossil]

I still think it works but its not that easy to see

[surreal hazel]

most clusterbombs will explode out of bounds and not spawn bullets

[uneven palm]

Door it https://imgur.com/a/ULEAFlB

[unreal shore]

OOH

[surreal hazel]

yeah that

[unreal shore]

wish i knew that before i tanked like 100 dmg rn

[wispy iron]

Why didn't Odysseus bring a door on his boat when confronting Charybdis ? Is he stupid ?

[surreal hazel]

you still need to really know how to deal with this for UR Scylla

[plain fossil]

Once upon a time u could click a projectile speed reduction and the barrage couldnt hit u

[surreal hazel]

was just about to mention that, heh

[wispy iron]

The barrage is way less projectiles even as a featured artist tho

[plain fossil]

And yea u need to learn to dash through it or u take 5000 damage on scylla rivals

[surreal hazel]

yeah but you have everyone and their dog shooting more stuff at you

[plain fossil]

The accepted way to do scylla rivals is to kill bottom charybdis tentacles --> kill 1 tentacle next to roxy--> kill whatever is convenient, correct?

Thats what ive been doing because i copied boated

Idk if ppl have alternatives

[surreal hazel]

Pretty sure cerberus crawls out of the fields, sticks one of his heads up the hole in the arena and shoots too

[wispy iron]

And the actual way to do it is scream in absolute terror and commit a felony amount of hit and run until the fight's stabilized

[surreal hazel]

yeah, you really need to get breathing room asap

otherwise you'll.... drown

[plain fossil]

Fml

[wispy iron]

thank you dyno, we always appreciate you deleting everything

[surreal hazel]

eh, corporate needs in a corporate discord

[plain fossil]

What i said is that if u just run around then theres too much area denial and u eat something stupid

So u need to get some space by bursting down something

[wispy iron]

discord's integrated automod already allows for a blacklist and let the client see their blocked message for them to copy and resend, so eh

[plain fossil]

I think? tentacles are the easiest things to burst

[surreal hazel]

they like to slap you though

[wispy iron]

And I got distracted, really have to go

[ripe shore]

I don't know if this is the correct channel to ask this in, but oh well

I'm trying to get the hidden aspect for the skull, and I've gotten all the requirements.
I've talked to Medea 37 times and she hasn't given the waking phrase to me.
Any idea of what I'm doing wrong?

[plain fossil]

About 1k hp base, i think? Idk how much hp roxy has but its def more than that

[surreal hazel]

has she run out of things to say?

[ripe shore]

Yes

[surreal hazel]

and have you maxed out the aspect of persephone or medea?

[ripe shore]

No only melinöe

[surreal hazel]

there's your problem

[ripe shore]

Ok thanks!

[ripe shore]

I thought it didn't matter which one😅

[surreal hazel]

Scylla: 7050
Jetty: 4650
Roxy: 6450
Tentacle: 2800 x 6

50% hp is the phase trigger for everyone except Scylla, who is 45%

and then 45% again so she starts the last phase at 10%

hp values don't change for unrivalled, but obviously there's 6 tentacles

[devout quiver]

what does damage does crit affect? particularly with aspect of melinoe (which specifies attacks / specials) and aspect of artemis (specifies strikes). Do they affect curses like ares, zeus blitz or poseidon waves?

[surreal hazel]

Basically everything except a few little exceptions like scorch and hitch damage

[devout quiver]

oh that makes things easier thanks

[surreal hazel]

oh wait, here

you said with those aspects, it's just the weapon hits, not the extra stuff like blitz

so you want big +% damage boons, not waves or blitz

I was talking about general crit chances like Pressure Points

[devout quiver]

so when it says "attacks" it doesnt apply to the attack boons

[surreal hazel]

if the attack boon is just adding +% to your attack, then yes

if it's doing something else when an attack hits, like scorch, waves or blitz, then that bit does not

So yeah, artemis daggers steers you towards upgrades to your base power and +% damage, also the boosted crit chance affects the entire move

so if you throw a special, it uses one crit charge, but that special can hit many times, and they all have that +50% crit bonus

(If you throw an omega special, every dagger consumes a charge, sorry)

[devout quiver]

but it does affect boons like ares and demeter which increases % dmg

[surreal hazel]

yes

since that's amplifying the weapon damage itself

and crit damage is a multiplier on top of that, which is unique

crits say +200% damage, but it's really x3 damage

[devout quiver]

ok got it thanks

[surreal hazel]

the biggest single hit daggers have is the omega attack which is COINCIDENTALLY the move that triggers getting those crit charges, almost like the game is telling you something

[acoustic sandal]

I love aphro on artemis blades

[plain fossil]

Thanks, so effectively 1400 base for tentacles. That feels about right

[surreal hazel]

yeah

I have no idea why the sirens and syclla have weird hp values like that

why not 7000, 4600 and 6500?

[plain fossil]

Doesnt matter too much i guess

Its good to know that tentacles have 1800hp with grit3 on; helps a bit with planning

Esp for weapons with discrete combo damage like charon

[surreal hazel]

1820

if you're gonna damage gate stuff

[plain fossil]

Yer

[brazen echo]

Just finished bashing my head at 20 fear surface with nergal

Question for the nergalheads out there: would i be better off focusing on aphrodite/demeter for more multiplier and power on my omega attacks or go for hera and poseidon for the frankly better side boons and focus on ocean swell/fine line?

[charred dagger]

Apollo on everything

[brazen echo]

Already assuming apollo for attack

There are still 3 more god slots to fill

[charred dagger]

Apollo Legendary

uhhhhhhhhhhh

Daedalus hammer

[brazen echo]

But also while on that subject: how many poms would you usually put into your attack before thinking it’s enough and pom something else

[charred dagger]

Everything into special

spam that omega special

[brazen echo]

I vaguely remember someone saying that percentage boons don’t scale as well wit more poms

Also i am an omega attacks believer

[charred dagger]

AFther like 3-4 it goes from 20% to like 5%

[cerulean panther]

If you start with Rare or Epic Nova Strike, I'd Pom it towards 100% or just above it.

[charred dagger]

Just run ||Hades|| keepsake for them levels 🤑

[cerulean panther]

You are correct with that, % Poms (besides Flutter Flourish, Aphro Special is busted) fall off very quickly.

Besides the Hera Hitch buff, that has a 10% floor so it's very easy to deal more damage with Hitch than you are directly attacking an enemy.

[brazen echo]

Not particularly fond of surface hera runs ngl

Most surface bosses rarely pull out adds anyway

Or am i misunderstanding something

[signal coral]

Hera has solid damage on her core boons, especially once you factor in origination

Also hitch is very good for room clear

[cerulean panther]

Hitch might be the single-strongest mechanic against Unrivaled Prometheus.

[surreal hazel]

hereditary bane doubly so, which goes SO hard with jewelled pom

[cerulean panther]

One of these days I'm going to take Queen's Ransom with Hereditary Bane.

[brazen echo]

Oh right unrivaled prom 😭

I was thinking of normal prom

[surreal hazel]

It's so dumb

[cerulean panther]

I've done Heaven Flourish before, had like 500+ damage on the boon itself before any damage ups.

But I want to see magical force multiplication.

[surreal hazel]

getting hereditary bane over +70% means hitch does more damage than the source, I've managed to push it over 200%

since bane is a linear +10% per level, it's absolutely nuts and honestly the saviour of queen's ransom as a workable boon

[bronze flax]

Any suggestion for a Pan build? Struggling to make it work

[surreal hazel]

trick knives

[wispy iron]

Oh, I have a question which could be funi
Does the Engraved Pin counts as using a DD if you successfully proc it, for the purpose of Last Gasp ?

[glass bone]

I believe the answer is No. but Stalwart Stand and Renewed Faith do count

[wispy iron]

Too bad, it would've been excessively funny to try and just die every single room to absolutely melt the final boss

[glass bone]

Well you can still do that

[wispy iron]

yeah but not using the pin, which was the initial plan

[bleak gale]

Just finished casting Glorious Disaster

Do you guys know when 3rd Surface region releases?

[bronze flax]

Not pretty different from any non-Morrigan daggers aspect then

[surreal hazel]

hurrhurr

[surreal hazel]

basically that upgrade is so disgusting it makes anything work

but basically regular specials will bounce around everything in your cast when using pan

[bleak gale]

I've been asking to buff it on feedback on every single month in the calendar from release

[bronze flax]

It really doesn't help the Omega Special channelling speed is so low

[brazen echo]

They should make trick knives be a part of the dagger’s base kit

Daggers kinda need it

[surreal hazel]

they already did that with the old hook knives, mostly

[steep galleon]

That's the one that made the special turn back right?

[surreal hazel]

yeah

[steep galleon]

It was interesting seeing they made it part of the base kit now

[surreal hazel]

also affected OSpecials and it was so busted

[steep galleon]

Back when Pan was OP...

[surreal hazel]

but they added trick knives before the change to have boomerang specials and it just inherited that

[brazen echo]

Lowkey i never liked pan even back when it was op

[surreal hazel]

so trick knives was already good when it just shot three darts for free, now it fires penetrating boomerangs for free and it's just insane

aided by the fact that dagger dash strike is oddly high base power

[brazen echo]

My favorite dagger playstyle is attack spam knives but lowkey that doesn’t really have an aspect 😭

[vital ledge]

shiva, apollo, omega special. what the heck I did not expect this to be this BIG

[steep galleon]

Always felt a bit clunky to me (Chiron is just better and smoother) but the dummy dmg you could pull off back then was quite something

[surreal hazel]

try it on novastrike

[vital ledge]

this looks fun

[vital wave]

Guys I'm on fresh file, new to the game so I don't have any upgrade to increase my chance of finding rarer boons...
I got Zeus' legendary in early Oceanus 😶

[bronze flax]

I use Mel aspect for that, neat with Hestia on attack, add Demeter for duo. Bam, neat!"

[surreal hazel]

Observe how big reaper frame and nova strike makes the omega attack on coat

[vital wave]

Still managed to get walloped by the final boss

[bronze flax]

That's no longer a charge move, it's a freaking meteor

[surreal hazel]

for some reason nova strike makes the coat punches MUCH bigger than it makes other moves on other weapons

[steep galleon]

Returning to the game fairly rusty, took me 9 runs to kill Chronos

[brazen echo]

Kinda needs it tbh

[surreal hazel]

+75% size

axe gets +20%, blades and staff gets +40%

[signal coral]

The custom scaling makes sense to me

[surreal hazel]

skull is +20% on attack

[brazen echo]

Think the only moves coat has that is genuinely good is like

[bright charm]

nova strike my beloved

[brazen echo]

Just dash strike

[surreal hazel]

there's a similar thing for posideon splashes, but it's a different parameter

[bright charm]

im a big omega special fan on coat

[signal coral]

Different animations need different scaling to look reasonable

[surreal hazel]

axe splashes are bigger (1.2x) than dagger ones (which goes as small as 0.7x on the drill stab)

[signal coral]

Like axe already covers a large range so a small percentage on top of that feels fine

[bright charm]

nova axe feels like a giant blender

[surreal hazel]

yeah, nova strike on axe feels huge

but nova strike with final slice on the daggers is HUGE

[acoustic sandal]

It's really noticeable on than

[surreal hazel]

do not underestimate how big that is

[bright charm]

ive had nova strike, psychic whirlwind, and apollo ray and it was mildly absurd

[surreal hazel]

try psychic whirlwind with wolf howl some time

[bright charm]

oh i have

[surreal hazel]

flying buzzsaw attack!

[bright charm]

its so awesome

moonstone axe my beloved noone could make me hate you

[brazen echo]

Genuinely my favorite weapon

And nergal might be my fav aspect

[bright charm]

the weapons all feel so fun in this game

[surreal hazel]

there's definitely more variety than h1

the different aspects in h2 feel like how hidden aspects felt in h1

and the hidden ones in h2 are really crazy (except for shiva)

[brave locust]

quick question about the skull hammer that fires all skulls. does it also fire all of them in a charge? cuz if so doesnt that just turn it into 4 missle nukes?

[brazen echo]

Think they still need to tweak coat and daggers a bit though

[surreal hazel]

YES

[bright charm]

this game just feels nicer to play overall tbh, especially on higher fear bc crowd control is so much easier

[surreal hazel]

but can be hard to focus on one target

[steep galleon]

I feel like there is a lot more build variety in general as well.

[brazen echo]

As someone who’s favorite h1 weapon was demeter fist nothing really hits that sweet spot for me of attack spam

[surreal hazel]

that's because the core boons from each god have 2-3 gimmicks rather than just 1 or 2

[bright charm]

my fave h1 weapon was guan yu i think

[surreal hazel]

basically every core boon in h1 from a particular god was "Do +% more damage and inflict status curse"

[bright charm]

though i think highest heat was demeter fist and fastest time was talos fist

[surreal hazel]

whereas now we have things like Aphrodite, whose first two boons want you to get close, the next three inflict weakness

[bright charm]

the curses are also just more interesting

[surreal hazel]

and the binding circle is a much better framework to make interesting cast effects than a basic projectile

one thing I hated in H1 was having to take a talent that improves what happens when my cast sticks in an enemy... and then half the cast boons just removed that functionality

[bright charm]

on a semi related note i love when the cast is throwable in this game

hades cast boon my goat

i wanna do a jewelled pom run and get that boon and carry it all the way

[surreal hazel]

Demeter, Ares and Dio just threw your bloodstone function in the bin

[steep galleon]

Hated those especially Demeter

[surreal hazel]

I love hate howling soul

[signal coral]

Hades 1 cast was bad

[bright charm]

i got cinerary circle with moros last time i used jeweled pom, it was awesome

[signal coral]

But double dash is goated

[steep galleon]

And they only really worked on specific setups like Achilles spear

[surreal hazel]

I wish it aimed at something in a cone in front of where you're facing rather than whatever it pleases

[signal coral]

I love spamming dash attack like a crack monkey

[steep galleon]

And they needed quite a lot of investment to work properly even then

[surreal hazel]

that was the problem, at high level that's all h1 ended up being

[bright charm]

h1 cast was best with the cast aspects, otherwise it was just try and toss one in for damage and forget it

[signal coral]

But what if dash attack is fun

[surreal hazel]

dash attack can be fun, but it's bad to have it be the only game in town

[signal coral]

Who cares if its overpowered i just want my dopamine

That's why I think medea is a good design

Yes its overpowered but its also so fun to play

[bright charm]

i do like the sprint alot, it makes me think alot more

[surreal hazel]

it can be a little onedimensional, but it's a risky style and that's cool

charon is... too one dimensional, it seems to be stuck with a single focus in a way that Thanatos used to have

but they changed it for the better

[bright charm]

speaking of zooming around, grisly gain and sanguinary savor my beloved

[surreal hazel]

at least grisly gain is somewhat workable now

plasma is still not a great boon tree though

[bright charm]

i admittedly will always gun for the legendary if im gonna run it

[surreal hazel]

you have to

[bright charm]

running around for the plasma just isnt it

im a big cardio gain and glamour gain fan

[surreal hazel]

it's a bit bonkers to need a legendary to make a build work

[steep galleon]

I got like a 90% speed boost on the typhon fight with Moros once though so that was fun 😂

[sacred storm]

i think if plasma just had a bigger pickup radius it would be fine-ish. rn you kind of have to go out of your way to collect them.

[surreal hazel]

it was unbounded in EA at first and uhhhhh

[bright charm]

it WORKS tho when you get it, the speed is so useful imo

[surreal hazel]

Do I still have the video...

[bright charm]

oh no

[surreal hazel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie-ibpVny10

[bright charm]

christ

[surreal hazel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOAxHBQa6og

oh yeah, old gyser spout was nonsense with Sanctity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw89MeARRsw

[bright charm]

girl go fast

[surreal hazel]

gyser spout used to insta-detonate your omega cast

[loud ice]

As a Charon-head I agree that it's very one dimensional but I don't think its inherently a bad thing no?
With what like 24 total weapon aspects iirc, me thinks it's fair to have a couple that just do the one specific thing very well
Also having an aspect that requires very little brain thinking to succeed with is nice

[surreal hazel]

and sanctity is a dark side upgrade that made normal casts always be omega and ooooooh boy

[surreal hazel]

It'd be nice if charon had an attack button though

[steep galleon]

That sucked, and I remember Apollo's og cast was specifically tied to the omega cast as well.

[surreal hazel]

so was storm ring

[steep galleon]

Yep yep

[surreal hazel]

lightning strikes only occured once it was omega channeled, so you skipped the first few strikes

[steep galleon]

And so glorious disaster was the optimal way ro run Charon then

[loud ice]

Eh
Given the other 2 non-secret Aspects don't give you any incentive to use your special me thinks it's fair for Charon to focus solely on special right?

[surreal hazel]

I use that special button on those

you can cancel into special faster than waiting to start your attack chain over

[brazen wasp]

whats the best way to build momus

[loud ice]

Was not aware of that tbh
Tho I think the point stands
Than and especially Mel just give bonuses to your/for using your attack
So having Charon hard-core center around your special seems fair to me

[surreal hazel]

lots of ways, but a simple way is Heaven Flourish and some curse on your primary, or vice versa

release omega special, throw attacks, stuff explodes

[surreal hazel]

I kinda feel like it could weave them together better

[brazen wasp]

is circe any good

[pallid light]

can someone explain to me how Are's Wounds curse works? Does it basically apply frontloaded damage to each hit, and would be good for weapons that hit fast and often?

[sacred storm]

basically, yeah

the attack that inflicts wounds has bonus power added to its damage

[pallid light]

ok, so it would be good for say, sister blades?

[sacred storm]

once wounds wears off (3 seconds), you can reapply it

not quite, since the extra power is limited by wounds' own duration

[pallid light]

ohhh so it has a cd

[sacred storm]

it's a support curse, not a primary damage source

[loud ice]

The "Duration" of Wounds is more of a cooldown for its main effect
The only time I'd make Wounds part of your main build is if you're trying to hard-core build around Plasma but I do not advise doing that

[pallid light]

So Wounds is not as good as other curses?

[stable herald]

Grievous Blow > Plasma boons (but yeah I'd throw Wounds on the less important slot just for the status proc)

[loud ice]

Oh yeah that
Actually question can that stack with like regular crit damage cause the game doesn't refer to it as crits iirc

[stable herald]

yeah, you can get crits and grievous blows on the same hit and it stacks multiplicatively. it's awesome

[lean crypt]

wait wtf

jeweled pom stays active after you unequip it? that's so busted

[gloomy patio]

I just got ||Nergal|| and it seems even worse than the normal axe...

[lean crypt]

i knew the hades boon stayed but all your future boons get free levels??? damn

[brazen wasp]

i love nergal

[sacred storm]

provided you don't take any olympian keepsakes (athena's counts, selene's does NOT)

[opal pecan]

@plush thorn What builds are you running with?

[sacred storm]

which is imo a bit odd since selene's keepsake is a lot more similar in functionality but /shrug

[lean crypt]

i can just take calling card then for ultra juiced boons

[lean crypt]

but she's not an olympian ;P

[sacred storm]

yeah for sure, but i'm saying there are ways to accidentally brick the effect mid-run

[loud ice]

I should probably start prioritizing it more then
Since I tend to run Bird and Ares in my Charon runs for Meat Grinder and the Demeter Duo

[sacred storm]

this is true, but the spirit of the fates' whim thing seems to be "no forcing rewards or rerolling options" and selene's keepsake very much does force a selene/path of stars reward on you asap.

[lean crypt]

🤫

let me keep my selene boon

[stable herald]

it's one of those small exceptions that makes sense in story logic and is just a little bit more interesting

like how Dionysus is the only NPC room you can reroll, because he's an Olympian unlike all the others. Or Icarus is the only encounter NPC that can't be rerolled because he's not an Olympian

[glacial sable]

You can take Dionysus too I think

[lean crypt]

well yeah his keepsake doesnt summon him

[loud ice]

Also it's been a whole year since it dropped and I still don't fw the black coat
I simply do not understand how you're supposed to use it
Like what does it even do

[sage flame]

zoom around, punch, shoot missiles, repeat

[tall pasture]

Been trying to figure out how you work its omega attack into combat since it came out

[sage flame]

lowkey

taking off any omega charge speed is kinda tight for the coat cause it makes the block active for longer

so you can actually use it to block more stuff

instead of charging ur omega and getting hit anyway

[stable herald]

it's got the best dash-strike in the game, the specials are fire n forget in-between punches, and the O attack is so that you can counterattack instead of dodge some attacks

[sage flame]

also I learned you can block a surprising amount of ||typhon's|| attacks with it for some reason

including chin slam iirc

[loud ice]

That's actually poggers what

Idk maybe I'm too Charon brained
So used to pressing the one button at things and watching them explode instantly
But my experience with Coat always made me think it lacked a certain oomf to its attacks
Like yeah I'm able to combo all these things together but it just results in eh

[lean crypt]

probably gotta aim at the center of the impact but yea the block is super good

[loud ice]

Tho this is also like
1 to 1 my feeling about the Rail so it's probably a me thing lmao

Replace Black Coat special's mini missiles with one big bullet bill and I will enjoy it 👍

[stable herald]

I have good news about the coat's hidden aspect

[loud ice]

Wait fr
I genuinely forgot what it did

[glacial sable]

Big bomb

[uneven palm]

Special attack attack repeat. Punches cancel lingering special animations and you can punch while rockets are out. Any combo of Poseidon Hera Ares Hestia Zeus (especially Zeus) on attack/special should work out.

Dash-strike hits 3x (6x with Exhaust Riser) so that’s good for Poseidon, Hestia, Static Shock

[bold haven]

might be a bit of a dumb question, is choosing a duo boon locks you from getting different duo boons in the same run?

[stable herald]

nope

[bold haven]

alright, cheers

[loud ice]

Never considered Poseidon I should try that

[opal seal]

whats a good build for mel torches?

[uneven palm]

Anything is kinda fine on attack/special. Hera attack Zeus special is arguably easiest-best

Or you can do Fine Line & Ocean Swell magick burn stuff. Very fun on the Flames

[opal seal]

why hera?

[wise knot]

I found a strange interaction - if you dash directly through an enemy, it will be turned 'dark' and briefly stopped. Is it stated anywhere as intended?

[tall notch]

Hitch is good

[opal seal]

not for bosses tho right? or am i missing something

[tall notch]

Most bosses have additional enemies where you will benefit from hitch

[steep galleon]

Scylla Rivals

[tall notch]

Also for Mel torch specifically, the fact that basic attack doesn't pierce enemies makes hitch feel even more important

[steep galleon]

Still sad that old eos got turned into a hammer 😔

[tall notch]

And that's not even the full old Eos, the ghosts growing was a large part of the appeal

[steep galleon]

One of the most unnecessary reworks ever imo, there was nothing wrong with it and it got completely reworked

Like everyone knows why Momus was changed but Eos bothered no one...

[tall notch]

Let's be real no one also played it 😔

I forgave them the removal of old Eos purely because new Eos is pretty amazing too

Was it unnecessary to rework it? Probably, but at least it's a nice rework

[carmine ginkgo]

Hmm. Do giga cleaver and exceptional talent stack?

[spiral wadi]

scylla being able to clam dash at will is so unbelievably stupid

why did they do this to an already painful fight

[sage flame]

swift runner arcana

[surreal hazel]

3 pulses

[surreal hazel]

It was basically a nothing aspect, too similar to mel

Clearly they wanted more ambition

[wise knot]

Oh, thank you!

[sage flame]

I LOVE EOS and always will

[cinder palm]

Wait dio's hungover doesn't proc origination anymore?

Man why did they change that I thought his was an olympian curse

[sacred storm]

been thinking about this: is jeweled pom or calling card better as an initial keepsake when starting a fates whim run? my instinct says pom because +3 levels to everything that can be leveled is phenomenal, but perhaps being able to force at least two heroics and possibly more depending on initial rarity offered is better for a zone 1 power spike?

[tacit laurel]

||Does the pom buff stay ||

[sacred storm]

all fates whim keepsake effects persist as long as you maintain the fates whim effect

so you can swap off the pom and still get level 4 boons by default, swap off the card and keep any unused rarifies, swap off the watch and still get to purge things

[tacit laurel]

and it adds on to boons i have already yes

[sacred storm]

oh idk if pom levels up boons you already took

[tacit laurel]

||i go card pom idk if this is a good order tho ||

[sacred storm]

i default pom -> card but i want to do an experiment where i compare a common level 4 boon vs. a heroic level 1

one of these days i'll remember when i'm playing

[tacit laurel]

I love sister blades apho max

[opal bay]

So have anyone tried anubis full attack speed. Does it tick faster?

[vital ledge]

most dealt damage: pets
I love using weird stuff
sun worshipper (?) + selene revive enemy thingy

[tacit laurel]

the cat has killed the final boss more then once for me lmao

[opal bay]

This was an old meta in EA since the summons were all immortal and follow u into next chronos phase

In 1.0 they fixed it but ye it’s still a good combo

[tight yacht]

I gotta say, they killed it with weapons this time around. In Hades 1 once I got the fists I'd only ever use it and sometimes the sword, but in Hades 2 it feels like every weapon is fun as hell and somehow all overpowered. I love it, it's a huge improvement over Hades 1

[tacit laurel]

i miss my fists

[tight yacht]

I did, but the axe is my new favourite

And I like the umbral torches more, both are so awesome.

I'd kill to have the fists in this game tho

[tacit laurel]

i dont like the axe it feels too slow for me i think skulls is funny

[tight yacht]

I can only imagine how sick the Hades 2 aspects for the fists would be

[tacit laurel]

sister blades just feel perfect for me

[tight yacht]

I love the omega I just use that over and over, plus

Aspect of Thanatos, most fun aspect by a mile

It makes the axe so so SO satisfying

Stack w some speed buffs and you're crazy

[tacit laurel]

ok ill try the aspect

if anyone has torch or rocket i will take adivce

[tall notch]

Moros torch is like pretty much fists but better

[tight yacht]

It's 40% speed, it fixes the one downside of the axe

[tight yacht]

Aspect of Moros on torches is insane, makes the game almost trivial for me

[tacit laurel]

is mel torch just not fun?

[tight yacht]

It's fine but Moros torch does everything it does better

[tacit laurel]

also hidden aspects question i have unlockked one but do you need to max one diffrent aspect on each weapon?

[tall notch]

I like inverted blaze shenanigans but as Leo said, Moros is pretty much Mel torch but better

[tight yacht]

Moros does everything Mel can but better so Mel is kinda useless

[tight yacht]

How do you unlock these btw? I got it for the axe but idk how else to unlock the others

[tacit laurel]

keywords for me it was maxxing artmis aspect and she gave me the word

[tight yacht]

Can someone lmk where I can find some food arcana combos for the Thanatos axe

I've been using the same one since I maxed it out and I don't know what others ones are good

[hollow mirage]

Does Looming Ignition have any impact on aspect of Medea?

[vocal tartan]

Does Rapid Thrasher do anything for the Staff's hidden aspect?

[sacred storm]

i think it makes the field come out faster

[vocal tartan]

That seems kind of mid.

[rugged moon]

Yeah. Its not terrible but the base field is the least important part of the weapon. Channel speed is great tho

The wall does triple the damage of the field

[candid shadow]

Hey guys in #h2-victory-boasting I see a lot of runs with 3/4 heroic boons how do you do that

[fierce current]

probably calling card?

[candid shadow]

...OK you have to to explain what it is to me ?

[rugged moon]

Calling card is a post ending keepsake that is basic a the god keepsake effext with six charges and works on all boons

Also sacrifice boons and just generally taking two or so god keepsakes can do it

Narcissishas a heroic making keepsake too

[candid shadow]

Oh OK just finished the story today. Judging by the effect it's zag keepsake ?

[rugged moon]

Yes

[shy moat]

you can just resummon early in the second chronos phase to pull in one of the followers, they didn't fix that following you in

...then he summons those useless heal enemies and ruins it

[compact ginkgo]

Does gold gold gold boom from echo work if I purchase a hammer?

[rain drum]

What does "fates whim" mean on the ||hades and perspehone|| keepsake?

[lean crypt]

it explains it if u hover over it

[shy moat]

no reroll arcana

[rugged moon]

No reroll and no god summoning keepsakes

[sterile gull]

me with everything except xinth, only used it to fulfill the prophecy

[glass bone]

Not even Nyx or Shiva?

[sterile gull]

the playstyle just doesn't vibe with me AT ALL, which is funny because I was a huge fan of the fists back in hades 1

[glass bone]

I get it. Coat is kind of similar to Rail in being a… unique choice of weapon

Though of course its gameplay is a mix of Fists and Rail from Hades 1

[dire shell]

I find it fun but the fact that its omegas aren’t good is very sad

[shy moat]

I loved rail, I thought I liked coat but then I used it more and ehh

staff actually feels a bit like rail too, because of its special

[crimson rapids]

What is the optimal Arcana setup right now for story completion

[spiral wadi]

for progressing the story it's really whatever's working and whatever ur comfortable with

[crimson rapids]

what do you run

[spiral wadi]

idk i just like wayward son for the safety healing lol

[crimson rapids]

can you show me the full set

[spiral wadi]

uhhhh i'm a high fear player rn so my setup will not match for early game

[crimson rapids]

👍

[shut topaz]

whats a good arcana setup

[signal coral]

How much grasp do you have

[crimson rapids]

30, I've seen people go back and forth on the deaths defiance thing

but idk if the legendary boon arcana card is worth it. it kinda seems excluded in a lot of builds

but i dont have a lot of sources of info atm

[signal coral]

https://hades.teheidoma.space/#2222179

This is what I would recommend

Can drop lovers for swift runner + huntress/night

If you take swift runner then you can swap death for strength and still keep divinity active

Same for you @shut topaz

[crimson rapids]

this is exactly what i was looking for, i was going straight across the second to bottom row for a while

thank you silly, saving this and gonna give it a go!

[signal coral]

What i suggested plus the common variations i pointed out are the typical recommended loadouts, so try them out

Some people drop wayward son or persistence in certain situations but I would never recommend a newer player do that

[shut topaz]

https://hades.teheidoma.space/#6398051 i have this rn with 27 grasp is it ok?

[signal coral]

Yep, this is good.

If you want divinity active you can switch to death. (Or just play with no divinity until you get 1 more grasp and can take swift runner)

Other than that your loadout is perfect.

[shut topaz]

nice thanks

[bronze flax]

Aphro legendary is funny. Instant Origination when applying Weak on Circe with Rapture Ring is handy

[valid meteor]

When doing a run with the family keepsakes do y'all start with zag or persephone?

[vital ledge]

rarely used those, but I'd say hades/persephone is worth more in zone 1. +3 levels and hades boon do more than getting 2 heroics or so.

[left echo]

I havent unlocked the final aspect for the black coat, but which aspect should i be using when i have them all and whats gods should i be looking for?

[signal coral]

Play what you find fun

[tardy mural]

is it always possible to get TPed to the lava place from hades 1? kinda annoying since it kind of immediately ends your run if youre going for time

spending like 50s on a single encounter is like might as well just walk into the lava at that point

[vital ledge]

you can lose that minigame on purpose by not standing in the circle, if the timer is an issue

[tardy mural]

oh how does that work exactly? you just walk out of it and in a little bit you fail or something?

im not even that quick, still havent broken 9 min, but that one is pretty frustrating ngl

[vital ledge]

yep. and (don't quote me on that) you skip a combat chamber with it. so it isn't slower than fighting an extra room

[tardy mural]

that would be fantastic

ill try it next time thanks

[golden relic]

whats the best circe offering?

I'm offered the dodge chance one, max hp one and the 50% heal and all 3 are really great

[raw reef]

You guys have any recommendations for the skull aspect madea ?

[golden relic]

im running it right now

aim for ares attack zeus special then go for the duo and lock apollo in asap

[raw reef]

I’ll try it out

[golden relic]

that duo is amazing on like any build too

[tardy mural]

also anyone have tips for quickly navigating zone 3 of underworld (i dont know any of their names sorry)

the big fields

feels like sometimes i lose legit 40s to just jogging

[raw reef]

You can get these tree upgrades the point where everything

As soon as u get the tree it shows where everything is i highly recommend

Should be able to make it in the cross roads

[tardy mural]

yeah i got that one

and i follow the petals etc

[raw reef]

Oh idk then dude

There a run button for a reason

[tardy mural]

just maybe there are layouts you can memorize or something? idk

[golden relic]

so i took the dodge change circe blessing, 2 room later i get the apollo hestia duo for the 1st time

ended up beating the boss with 9/265 hp left because of it, saved my defiance lol

[signal coral]

There are layouts but you can sort of just vibe it out

Try to do rewards in order so that you arent running back and forth

Sprint speed from Apollo or nitro boost is very nice

[tardy mural]

nitro boost?

[signal coral]

Also take the miniboss chamber when it shows up

Nitro boost is a Hermes boon

[tardy mural]

i have been playing blades and love apollo for them so i almsot always get sprint yeah

oh ok

[signal coral]

The miniboss chamber is usually much faster than a regular room

So you should fight that room when it shows

[tardy mural]

yeah i always go for that one

you can nuke those minibosses in like 2 seconds

[golden relic]

hermes shrine mystery boon, can my keepsake control who's boon I get?

[sacred storm]

no

[tardy mural]

especially snakey girl is just like total pushover

[golden relic]

thanks

[signal coral]

Btw @tardy mural If you actually are trying for speedrun times its typical to take athena in fields

[tardy mural]

yeah i do aphrodite/apollo first zone depending on how i feel, then fig leaf then athena then knucklebones

[signal coral]

When she shows up she pauses the timer until you talk to her so you can run around and scout the entire room first

[tardy mural]

idk what the best is for 4th zone

[signal coral]

Antler if you are good

[tardy mural]

oh wow okay that is quite a tip thank you

[tardy mural]

im not :3

maybe one day but i just turned on extra speed challenges so im kinda adjusting

[fierce current]

does nimble limbs (or other things that increase attack speed like plasma) do anything for supay?

[west thunder]

If I wanna do a ripple effect build with Moros torches I assume you go Hera attack/Poseidon special?

[stray shore]

suggest me a build for nergal

[mellow owl]

I just died to the boar on 0 fear
Uninstalling rn /s

[pure grove]

Aphro bonk. Don’t touch your omegas and you’ll be fine

[mellow owl]

The minibosses do legit feel really hard in this one
Like Uh-Oh always brings me down to low health

[rugged moon]

Strength and full on heph. Get the legend. Bonk even more

Rank 6 nergal is 4 bonks per berserk.

[brazen wasp]

what do i go first for momus

[steep galleon]

not leaving til I completely master this fight. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1383166531730673777/1425218214308085930/Screenshot_1615.png?ex=68e6c965&is=68e577e5&hm=e74d68712a2d10bdd3ee3dc6e80ea410c2acb5fb23271efb84ebb8ccd6c44a13&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=474&height=808

[stray shore]

thanks, wdym by "dont touch ur omegas" tho?

[stray shore]

dang imma need to try that

[pure grove]

Never use the omegas on Nergal if you’re using Aphro. The range of them goes outside of the “nearby” range

[rugged moon]

Want to go strength, tough gain, hera-heph duo and just see if i can face take the world

[sacred storm]

so earlier i had asked if gilden pom or calling card was better for a zone 1 power spike (in other words, if +3 levels or a guaranteed heroic was stronger for boons), and the answer seems to be..."it depends". preliminary testing got me the following:

• flutter strike: +130% (common lv. 4) vs. +140% (heroic lv. 1)
• flutter flourish: +200% (common lv. 4) vs. +250% (heroic lv. 1)
• rapture ring: 40 dmg (common lv. 4) vs. 25 dmg (heroic lv. 1)
• heaven strike: 130 dmg blitz (common lv. 4) vs. 200 dmg blitz (heroic lv. 1)
• heaven flourish: 160 dmg bliz (common lv. 4) vs. 190 dmg blitz (heroic lv. 1)
• thunder rush: 35 dmg for both (dead even)
• sworn strike: +85% (common lv. 4) vs. +80% (heroic lv. 1)
• sworn flourish: +95% (common lv. 4) vs. +90% (heroic lv. 1)
• born gain: 16 mp primed (common lv. 4) vs. 14 magic primed (heroic lv. 1)

[rugged moon]

Thats also assuming you get only commons which is not gurenteed

[wind pivot]

Hey guys, I don't know how to build Selene's aspects, can someone help me out?

[sacred storm]

so, like, it really does depend on the exact boon you're considering for this. it's not consistent across categories or even gods -- zeus attack is stronger at high rarity/low level, but zeus special is stronger at low rarity/high level.

[rugged moon]

Start her keepsake, get the every omega shoots a beam. Spam ospecial

[sacred storm]

yeah, if you roll rares or epics then that skews even further but i'm assuming all commons for the sake of a consistent and achievable baseline.

[rugged moon]

True but what that means is that even when it loses the baseline jeweled pom has potential above whereas calling card is both limited to first few boons (especially if common and you use half of it) and does not have a potential increase

[stray shore]

that makes sense thanks

[golden relic]

I just cruised to the easiest medea win on 32 surface that aspect is absolutely ridiculuos

[sacred storm]

i did actually roll epic storm ring and ionic gain, both of which came out in favor of the 4 extra levels, but the difference wasn't as much as i expected
storm ring: 50 dmg (epic lv. 4) vs. 40 dmg (heroic lv. 1)
ionic gain: 5s cooldown (epic lv. 4) vs. 7s cooldown (heroic lv. 1)

[signal coral]

Well calling card benefits from poms in the run whereas jeweled pom benefits less because poms have diminishing returns

But in general jeweled pom is better

[rugged moon]

Many rhings dont have dimishing

[brazen wasp]

bump

[signal coral]

Pretty much every boon has a larger effect from the first 1-2 poms than subsequent poms

[rugged moon]

Only the damage ones

[signal coral]

Pretty much every boon

[rugged moon]

Stuff like sea star does not

[pure grove]

It does, actually

[rugged moon]

Sea star is flst 5%

It doesnt

[signal coral]

In general though the main advantage calling card has is for unpommable boons, but important unpommable boons are rare

[rugged moon]

Also usually later in run

[signal coral]

Usually something like artemis/hermes

[rugged moon]

Artemis is early but stuff like athena/dio/hades

[sacred storm]

yeah at this point i think pom is overall better for zone 1, then switch to card for zone 2 and use it to rarify hermes et al when you find them.

unless you're fishing for an early hermes or artemis for whatever reason

that also gets you the hades boon early on which admittedly is probably irrelevant most of the time but still

[velvet hawk]

do i bother with frenzy 2 and rivals before beating the game?

[signal coral]

Whatever you find fun

[velvet hawk]

i dont have a problem finishing with frenzy and rivals but i fear it might take too long

[signal coral]

Its a single player game with difficulty modifiers so you can tune the slider to whatever you enjoy/want your long term goals to be

[velvet hawk]

Mm

[dapper tide]

Are there suggested Fear builds for 32 Fear? I tried it for the first time and didn't get far

[signal coral]

Probably something close to this
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDMsMCwzLDIsMiwwLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsOF0=

Can make minor adjustments based on preference

For example Frenzy 2 if you can handle it, timer 2 if you cannot go fast, scars 2 if you need more fear

[dapper tide]

I guess I need to beat the rivals more to unlock further level? I can only add one level

[signal coral]

Yes, also need to see all minibosses if you haven't yet

[dapper tide]

ty ty

[velvet hawk]

got rivals hec with frenzy 2

that was hard, how do you do that with a slow weapon like charons axe

it was doable with the daggers

[brazen wasp]

how do i build momus, the easiest way

[frigid adder]

demeter helps lock everything down. aphrodite for hearthrob since you're spending magick

[lean crypt]

oh yeah how close does an enemy gotta be for aphrodite damage boons

is the omega special too far away?

[coarse magnet]

Why is that when i move to different zone my 1-2 boons is gone?

[opal pecan]

WDYM by your 1-2 boons? Are you saying that one or two boons are gone, or are you saying that all the boons you got in zones 1 and 2 are gone? or something else

[median pawn]

Why is almost every boss' counter play is to just dashing into them whenever they wind up something? I swear it works for %90 of the time.

[coarse magnet]

Boons i got from erebus then when i move to diffrent area boon is gone

[opal pecan]

What keepsake are you using? Did you notice which boon(s) specifically?

[coarse magnet]

Hepastus. Hammer

[opal pecan]

Hm, odd. And it's gone even if you open up the full Boons menu? Not just unpinned from the "always visible" boons on the side of the screen?

[loud ice]

Am I crazy or is running Origination and Huntress together on Medea a good idea

[static badger]

how does the deduct gold instead of damage work?

[lean crypt]

anyone know pls

[static badger]

I got hit one time by Prometheus and lost like 500 gold

[sacred storm]

i want to say it's slightly inside torch o-special range. if you want a clearer indicator you can take glamour gain and watch for when enemies get weakened.

[opal pecan]

It's x gold per point of damage, like it says on the boon. So he must have hit you for a fair deal of damage.

[loud ice]

Wiki says approxomite range of the standard attacks of the moonstone axe

[sacred storm]

the memory game flames do 100 dmg (60 w/ strength) so yeah that'll be a big chunk if you mess it up

[loud ice]

Wiki says 3 gold per 1 damage

Wait not wiki

The game

[opal pecan]

Wasn't sure if it was different on different rarities or levels or whatnot, I'm gonna have to make myself take it one of these days but haven't yet 😆

[static badger]

i had so much gold last run I couldn't resist

[loud ice]

its a legendary so it aint got rarities or levels I dont think

[static badger]

I wish it was armor instead

[sacred storm]

something i lowkey never noticed until now -- sun worshipper (hera/apollo, the first enemy you kill is raised to fight for you) comes with a +200% bonus to raised servant damage. i think that also applies to enemies raised via night bloom. so builds that have both can do ridiculous necromancy stuff.

[opal pecan]

How Egyptian of them :P

[static badger]

it's so good dealing with surface

[sacred storm]

this also explains why sometimes my attempts at having night bloom do the work for me just fall flat.

[static badger]

moon beam or moon water

[sacred storm]

water in the general case

lunar ray can be good esp. with apollo godsent but it really wants the auto-fire and/or triple beam perks otherwise it's hard to fully utilize

[static badger]

I don't even think I took Selene at all last go around

[opal pecan]

Beam for me. If me and my dinky little runs are getting Melinoe hit enough to need water, something has gone wrong.

[turbid parrot]

i play without omega mostly so i just skip selene when possible

[stable herald]

Lunar Ray is incredible, just gotta know not to be greedy and cancel before you get hit

Without a purple node it's also hella cheap

[static badger]

I cancel all the time because Jesus christ

mount Olympus is so cramped sometimes

[opal pecan]

And the cheapness means that you can proc the +5% damage upgrades a billion times (scientific estimate)

[sacred storm]

the "you do +x% damage after using your hex" upgrade does not stack if you use the hex multiple times in an encounter. it's one and done.

[opal pecan]

WHAT

[static badger]

now all the mini bosses are easy for me and it's just free boons

[opal pecan]

I've been living a lie..... everything I have worked for, like cinder scattered to the four winds....

[static badger]

too bad the main bosses still are the cause of all my deaths

[sacred storm]

like, you can take two +5% nodes to make it +10%, but you can't use the hex twice to turn that +10% into +20%. you get what i mean?

[static badger]

Cronos and Typhon and Prometheus

[opal pecan]

Yeah, I gotcha. I am, as before, living a lie, cinders scatter'd, etc.

[lean crypt]

you forgot eris

[static badger]

Erie isn't an issue anymore

even rivals

[sacred storm]

tbh after running rivals 4 for the last month or so of ea, the normal bosses feel positively sluggish in comparison

[static badger]

I am an agent of chaos

[sacred storm]

(i turned off rivals so i could bullrush the ending)

[static badger]

who forgot to activate his arcana because he was making dinner

it's a fact if you play a boss and it takes enough time at the end of it either they'll be dead or you will

unless you did the timer

[plain fossil]

True even if timer

[static badger]

sometimes I feel like I'm playing the game with one HP but it doesn't matter if they can't hit me

then some nonsense comes along like the bird won't move out of my way

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1425219039168561272/clip_1759869067915.mp4 water spouts

[velvet hawk]

i tried zues aphro and hera poseidon with moros torch

what other strong god combo is there i can do with it?

[glad fog]

What are the best gods for Momus aspect pls?

[velvet hawk]

zues on moros special and hestia on attack? does that work?

[daring nexus]

Anyone got tips on Unrivalled Scylla? Despite my best efforts, I can only ever face-tank that fight.
Normal Scylla I approach by killing the drummer first, but here that doesn't seem as easy.

[frank creek]

Since I got jeweled pom I just can't play any other way

It is just so much better than the other ones, and it evens teach you how to build much better

With God keepsake I just made the same build archetype over and over

[glass bone]

A few things;

1. Go for back tentacles first. If done well, you can trigger Scylla’s clam dash, dodge it, and then go for the tentacles.
2. Roxy should never be the first one to die to play safely. Ideally you kill some or all of the tentacles, and either kill or chunk down Jetty or Scylla.
3. Side Tentacles can still hit you if you are standing still at the edge of the sides of the arena.
4. If you get Roxy Feature, repeat (kill Back Tentacles, then Side, then someone who isn’t Roxy alongside the front tentacles). If not… just go with your gut depending on where you and Scylla / Jetty end up.

[static badger]

actually charbydis wasn't too bad to face when I was going up, but kill the guitarist, god they can be annoying, you're standing in a really bad spot too long in that fight

does anyone know what the max dodge is with whispy wiles?

[glass bone]

I mean it depends on how many Air boons you could get

[static badger]

I thought it had a less than 100 percent cap

[glass bone]

Tbh, I don’t remember.

I do know it got nerfed from 3% to 2% per Air Boon

[static badger]

is it per boon or per element

[daring nexus]

thanks (Roxy is the drummer, right?)

[static badger]

i think Scylla is easier than hecate

[junior dome]

is poseidons magic recover boons just bad?

[static badger]

compared to using hecuba

[glass bone]

Sorry, yes. Per Air Element.

[static badger]

there's a good boon that gives you 5 more magic per encounter I try to pick up

[steep galleon]

So charon is one of the worst weapons for Prom and Heracles right?

Frenzy 2

[gaunt sapphire]

whats the best way to make crits? mel torches + artemis keepsake and pray you get her during the run?

[spiral wadi]

if u have bird pet u can bring him and u get a crit chance on everything

[flint kestrel]

I love aspect of charon but I'm not great with it on the surface. Not just Prom and Herc but Eris becomes messier for me

[glass bone]

I mean you have to play carefully, but you do get huge burst damage.

[viral yew]

No, it's really good

[viral yew]

It can be bad with a good build and the right arcana it's no worse than any other weapon

[lapis lantern]

Whoever gave me the tip about Arachne's keepsake for the achievement ty

[junior dome]

so is it... only good in builds where you spend magic occasionally? i had it on with xinth and my magic would usually be depleted pretty quickly, im just trying to see how it could be made good because i've never had any trouble with say, hestia's magic refund boon

[lapis lantern]

It was easy like you said

[viral yew]

I had a really good run with charon the other day, it works like a slightly worse born gain

Never had any problems, even on shiva

[static badger]

what's the best defensive item

[viral yew]

U mean keepsake?

[static badger]

boon, keepsake, whatever

[viral yew]

Best defensive boon would be the prime magic for armour every room from heph, keepsake could be knucklebones, sash, or onion

[meager wadi]

good build ideas for the aspect of mel skull?

[static badger]

what is that one called

so then the add 5 magic per encounter, prime magic for armor and knucklebones or silk stash

can the random arcana card per guardian pull judgment?

[viral yew]

Yes it can but I personally wouldn't go for it

[viral yew]

Trusty shield

[waxen gorge]

just tried Hostile Environment on supay and it works ok but kinda defeats the purpose of Supay. it forces you to get close

[edgy nacelle]

kinda depends how you're using Supay, sometimes I want to stay close anyway
if you aren't using omega specials then you kinda want to hug enemies, for instance, often with scorch specials
super nova may also help you keep some distance w that set up

[waxen gorge]

do dash boons proc static shock?

[viral yew]

No

[spiral wadi]

is hera sprint single target

it feels like it only hitches one enemy at a time and won't hit an enemy that is already hitched

[static badger]

what's the best Hermes boon

for axe

[glass bone]

Nitro Boost is strong on any aspect and weapon, but Racing Thoughts can be good on all axes (OSpecial for Charon, and OAttack for Than and Nergal. Also OAttack can be good on Mel Axe, but Dash Attack can be stronger if you don’t have Psychic Whirlwind).

[dull citrus]

Can typhon be backstabbed? Anyone know how that works. Tryin to Mel dagger surface at 40 fear

[slate zodiac]

I've actually seen Typhon be backstabbed after the Zeus scene, but I have no concept of how consistent it is to get

Nor the positioning required

[dull citrus]

Gotcha

[uneven palm]

Specials will backstab

[mint nexus]

Does Lee Ream Snyder have a guide out for 2 yet?

[plain fossil]

it wont do anything to enemies that are already hitched, not sure what the first question is asking?

[spiral wadi]

it feels like when i use hera sprint, it only hits one enemy at a time per rush i do

[glass bone]

It is mainly the Special.

[plain fossil]

Its got a very short icd

If u run in circles around the pack it will damage and hitch the whole pack

If you dash into a pack it will usually hit 1 enemy only

[static badger]

what's the most effects I can get on one enemy (hitched, frozen, etc)

[stable herald]

As many as you have Olympians in your pool, plus Aphrodite's legendary, plus any curses offered by NPCs during the run or with your weapon aspect

[static badger]

how does the damage work with multiple effects

[stable herald]

What, you mean Origination? It's a flat bonus if you have at least two Olympian curses active, more doesn't give you more

[static badger]

no i mean altogether

is there a reduction of effects with multiple types or a hard cap on damage gained cumulatively

[viral yew]

Wat

[static badger]

not talking about origination

[viral yew]

No theres no damage cap

[plain fossil]

I think u need damage calc wiki page

[uneven palm]

I do https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide

[mint nexus]

It’s you!

[spiral wadi]

no one actually likes doing asphodel right

[mint nexus]

Your Hades 1 guide was a LIFESAVER and put my hours in that game sky high

[maiden hound]

question: does anvil ring trigger love handles?

[viral yew]

Based

[viral yew]

I skip it

[uneven palm]

No. Anvil Ring clangs aren't heph blasts

[spiral wadi]

yea i just had a moment where mfin chronos was like "hmm what if i send u to asphodel in a boon room" and i'm like ok maybe i'll actually play asphodel for once, wrong u get punished and have to wait so goddamn long and the circle will literally be 99% covered in lava and projectile spam

[maiden hound]

dang

[spiral wadi]

i'd literally rather fight a 1 minute fish spam room that the game loves to throw instead of whatever the hell asphodel is

[brazen echo]

Do you even get it on the post game

Feels like i only ran into it twice and never again

[spiral wadi]

yea apparently weird timeloop bull that u still get asphodel encounters

literally the best way to play asphodel is to not stand in the circle and win game

[cerulean panther]

I keep getting Asphodel for Major Rewards like boons and stuff that I do not want to skip.

[steep galleon]

🐐

[ripe wadi]

Best boons for witches staff?

[plain fossil]

Everyone does this right

U would have to be a psychopath to actually do asphodel

[spiral wadi]

ye

[edgy nacelle]

idt the game ever tells you you can and it's hard to fail it accidentally, so maybe new players going in blind don't?
I only bother to clear it if my build is still garbage and the reward is a boon

[edgy nacelle]

also, what aspect? just base staff or have you unlocked other aspects yet?

[spiral wadi]

if it was actually bearable and didn't let the timer continue running maybe i'd actually take it

[dire shell]

Wait. What?

[brazen echo]

How do you avoid asphodel anyway

Like how can you tell

[spiral wadi]

if u initiate the circle and not stand in it, u skip the encounter and continue like nothing happened

[dire shell]

Do you miss out on a reward?

[spiral wadi]

yea but honestly the reward is not worth it LOL

literally ignore asphodel 100% of the time it's worthless

[edgy nacelle]

yes but there's no other consequence, so especially if the reward is like.... bones, I truly do not care

[terse orbit]

yo guys can someone explain what does " extended family " boon from the queen do ?

[cerulean panther]

Anything that inflicts damage that is not Mel hitting something with a weapon or your Omega Cast most of the time will be "Olympian damage."

Blitz, Scorch, Poseidon's waves, most-if-not-all Casts you can get.

Boosted damage on your Attacks and Specials from the likes of Aphrodite and Demeter do not count as Olympian damage.

All those discrete sources of damage apart from Melinoe that you get from picking up boons is what Extended Family boosts.

[terse orbit]

so like the effects that u gain ?

[cerulean panther]

Yup.

[terse orbit]

so Extended Family boost these ?

[cerulean panther]

As far as who counts to increase the bonus: all 9 Olympians who can occupy a core slot, Artemis, Hermes, Dionysus, and Athena.

Yes. Extended Family will boost the Blitz that's left from Heaven Strike or Scorch from Flame Strike but will not boost the damage of an Attack that has Flutter Strike.

[terse orbit]

thanks i appreciate it ❤️

[brazen echo]

What’s the ideal build for zeus circe btw? Like aside from demeter’s gust is there anything else you can put on it?

[dire shell]

Do you lose a room relative to a full run?

[uneven palm]

Zeus has good duos with Poseidon, Demeter, Hestia, Ares, Hera, Hephaestus, Aphrodite… you've got options

[edgy nacelle]

hm, not actually sure. my guess is yes but if the reward isn't worth it then it's fast to skip so could be a time save

[dire shell]

If you don’t have a short time limit, a boon is a pretty significant reward!

[edgy nacelle]

yup! which is why I personally do it if there's a boon, just not if there's like. ash or bones
but some ppl find it annoying and always skip it

[dire shell]

Yeah, makes sense

I don’t find it that long or annoying usually

[edgy nacelle]

double strike is really nice (and is the main thing I'd aim for)
double strike + king's ransom with storm ring is kinda nuts, but takes setting up
you can also layer other cast related stuff, like demeter gusts + air quality etc, which you mentioned
I think poseidon duo will also buff storm ring damage if you can get splash on your attack or special + slippery slope...?

[rugged moon]

I mean its a like 30s minimum more of ots a jerk woth lots of lava room which is a lot for anyone playing on timer 3

[viral yew]

with timer 3 i'm nearly always beating oceanuns in 5-6 min so i'm not too upset by asphodel

[junior trail]

bro thats everyone

[uneven palm]

Yeah, Zeus good

[static badger]

the better question is what would you pick if you had 10 boons

[viral yew]

Zeus my beloved (i've taken static shock 121 times)

[edgy nacelle]

I think asphodel is more like... psychologically annoying than anything else lol
since there isn't anything you can do to make it go faster no matter how good your build is
but idm it overall, it's boring but idt it harms my runs

[static badger]

I worry about time heading out of the mourning fields

[plain fossil]

A lot of the asphodels are also really dangerous if u want them to be fast

[brazen echo]

Feels like time 3 is pretty free for me now

[static badger]

what about the surface?

[brazen echo]

Once i’m clear of the first area i don’t usually think about it anymore

Yeah no issues surface either

Bird cage pauses your timer, at which point you should already know what rooms you’re taking

[static badger]

tbf the surface has a good ramp up as long as you don't get too sloppy

[viral yew]

Surface is definetly harder but still easy to do in under 20m

[brazen echo]

Yeah im averaging 13 minute runs on both routes rn

[static badger]

zoom zoom

[plain fossil]

Yea always depends on weapon and ur other fear

Erebus with onion can eat my ass

[nova roost]

I'm starting to think I'm never gonna beat chronos. I keep getting to P2 and then wipe out all my death defiances to attacks I'm not even seeing lol

[brazen echo]

give it time

you'll learn

though if anything my one advice is to make a beeline towaards strength and use that instead

especially while still unupgraded, strength > death

[daring ferry]

Hey guys just unlocked morrigans, any specific arcana build or any tips?

[nova roost]

my death arcana card is maxed out. should I still switch to strength?

[brazen echo]

If that's the case then it's way more of an up to you thing

i still kinda prefer strength though

do you already have origination and lovers?

[dire shell]

I don’t think Strength is good against Chronos, actually. He has a few MASSIVE damage attacks, some of which are subtle

[signal coral]

if you are getting owned in a single fight then death is better

strength + healing is good sustain if you are taking consistent moderate damage but aren't getting owned anywhere

but in a single fight death is more effective HP so if you are really struggling with one thing in particular then the extra hp from death will help

[viral yew]

Yeah dd's always give more hp

[signal coral]

i did rivals 4 + frenzy 2 for the first time today

took very little damage for the entire run and then took 500 damage to rivals chronos

if I had strength I would have lost

[stray shore]

should i use raki or gale with aspect of thanatos? raki will give me more crit chance, but gale help me keep the mortality stacks. what do y'all think

[signal coral]

granted this is a skill issue because I have not really learned the chronos fight very well yet

[signal coral]

if you still need materials you should maybe just use whatever companion helps with that

if not, then I would say gale if you are skilled and playing higher fear and raki otherwise

gale scales with how good you are since he has limited uses

if you burn his block on a 5 damage projectile then he's less useful imo but if you can preserve block charges until the boss he is SUPER valuable

[cerulean panther]

Psh, what? No, Gale just stinks, he uses all his blocks in the first chamber of each region.

[signal coral]

for high fear/once you are good gale is very strong but he gets worse and worse as your skill decreases since he is more likely to waste all his charges in random rooms agaisnt regular enemies

[stray shore]

thanks for the tips. i dont need materials so im gonna max gale then, kinda hate the fact that i need the stardust for everything

[plain fossil]

Chronos specifically has a couple of oneshots so i dont think strength is typically the go there

Its fine advice in general but imo not for this fight

[opal pecan]

Gale's a gal (she's got Gal in her name 😜)

I don't use her for the blocks, I use her for the dodge and movespeed

[plain fossil]

Im a frinos enjoyer at low fear ngl

[signal coral]

if its low fear I will just use raki

i dont need more survivability so i just want to deal more damage

frinos for me is mostly strength-only at this point

[plain fossil]

Well i mean u dont need anything at low fear if ur experienced, im talking about more for ppl learning mechanics

[signal coral]

oh

yeah early game frinos is very good

+hp is simple but effective for new players

[plain fossil]

And he stands in things

[mellow basin]

Sorry if this has been asked - does the phantom steal life from sun worshipper/night bloom? Felt like it was happening but wasn’t sure

[signal coral]

it used to but I believe it got hotfixed to not do that recently

[opal pecan]

And Psyche is the most useful resource to gain in large quantities for someone who's still unlocking stuff, I think!

[dire lily]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946433501325033512/1425312411044413460/image.png?ex=68e7211f&is=68e5cf9f&hm=c88ece1ae203a78dfc153981297b48a5f30c8eb317337453a086766247f5a04d&

insane cashout with king's ransom

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946433501325033512/1425313353047343134/image.png?ex=68e72200&is=68e5d080&hm=df13d19c075e6609fa36f6134105038f852687d6e195478671e2b52864dca9c0&

[flint kestrel]

Opinions on which dagger to lvl to unlock the hidden? Mel's aspect is an ol' reliable for me and I've seen mixed things on the other two.

[dire lily]

they all suck tbh

pan probably most fun out of the 3

[stable herald]

Artemis is my fave

[flint kestrel]

TRUE but I have issues with it and Prom, sometimes Eris -lol saw Charon at first

[tardy mural]

with hephaestus' security system buff, if im hit with the temporary bonus armor, is that subtracted first, or does it take my other armor after the buff fades?

like does it let me play risky with my armor?

for the first 7 seconds

or if im hit am i still losing armor (and thus dmg given his other boon)

okay im picking it we ballin we'll see if its any good

[dire lily]

it takes away the temp armor first

[tardy mural]

gaming

[split igloo]

Are people running around without DD and only strength in high fear? Do you force athena for the SD?

[spiral wadi]

some strats do use strength and fish for athena stalwart, then pin the rest of the way

strength becomes obscenely bad once scars 3 is on tho, better to just run 3dds that u can replenish later

[split igloo]

Some strats? So it's not the go-to strat? Aside from the exception you mentioned

[spiral wadi]

yea, especially because of how current high fear favors gold pom that forces no rerolls anyway, it's harder to actually find stalwart

because strength is built around making healing sources more effective, and the majority of healing sources get culled with strength save a few exceptions, 3dds tends to be the better option

[plain fossil]

The strength versus DD graph with fear on one axis looks pretty funny

[spiral wadi]

LOL ye, i mean personally i do run both strength and dds together just to proc queen arcana since there is not another 4-card

realistically it'd be better to actually just have dds and put the 4 grasp somewhere else

[plain fossil]

U do that to proc queen wtf theres no way thats worth

[spiral wadi]

unfortunately i am stubborn

ye, the concept is supposed to be that since dds are harder to actually refill since athena can't be rerolled for renewed, u pivot to strength in late game and run like onion or tooth etc

assuming u do lose ur dds

maybe silken sash if ur running gale

[cunning furnace]

love how flash fry can put scorch marks on water, and meteors can dent water(that could be chalked up to shallow water with the crater causing a lip keeping the rest out tho)

[magic moss]

now that im doing a fresh file to epilogue with a 100% wr, im realizing just how easy the base game can be

[plain fossil]

This sounds like ass ngl

[spiral wadi]

trust, it'll be the meta in uhhhh later

[plain fossil]

What do u not run in that case

Skip artificer?

[violet temple]

do y'all try and attack both heracles and prometheus in the unrivaled fight at the same time or just focus heracles first

[spiral wadi]

nah i keep artificier

it's literally just replace the 2 reroll cards with artificier and strength

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImM2IiwiYzciLCJjMTEiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiLCJjMjAiLCJjMjMiLCJjMjQiXQ==

[spiral wadi]

usually i do attack both at the same time but i prioritize prometheus

cuz i don't want to deal with heracles doing his funny phase 2 stuff during the memory game

[violet temple]

doesn't he still do funny stuff during memory anyways

[spiral wadi]

yea but his moveset is super simplified during that phase

it's either he's running up to you and will dive at u at a distance

or if he's not diving then he's gonna swipe u if u try to dash into him

it's super ez

if he is phased then he might actually start lobbing super fast projectiles at u

[violet temple]

ight I'll try it out

[dark pagoda]

It is funny, fighting Prometheus early runs, I'm like "wow his memory minigame is so easy", and then I had to do it while getting my brains bashed in

[plain fossil]

Tbf it is a very easy minigame

[steep galleon]

my goodness sun worshiper goes insane https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1383166531730673777/1425326882265763921/Screenshot_1630.png?ex=68e72e9a&is=68e5dd1a&hm=a2f45894d4b375d6d14b485f7e4ed98f60947482d699682ab9c7d754e4615400&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=573&height=535

[dark pagoda]

It is. When you don't have 500kg demigod chasing you.

[cinder palm]

Just dash the fire attack smh

[dull marsh]

how do i upload a screenshot of a build

[pine patio]

I like killing Heracles first to avoid having to worry about it

[shy moat]

I still wonder why the rival Poly and Scylla fights were left the way they are; seem so much nastier than others

[violet temple]

is that actually viable

I've been thinking about doing it but idk how consistent I can get

[cinder palm]

Not really lol the timing is really precise

[violet temple]

😔

imagine the aura farming though

[split quest]

I wanna try out the Moros Torches. Can you recommend a good build? I'm not really sure. I think Zeus Special is probably pretty good and I like having Demester cast for the freeze but otherwise I don't really know. I don't think there are any Duo / Legendary boons to really go for, right?

[junior trail]

coffin nail & cutting edge (if play with cut above)
ripple effect (if play with fine line/ocean swell)
romantic spark (if play with heaven flourish, arc flash also works) & thermal dynamic
sunny disposition (if play with heartthrob)
universal donor (+20% speed)

[split quest]

I love the ripple effect build on Melinoe torches not sure how good that is on Moros though

[junior trail]

also exceptional/weed (+fine line/ocean/cut) > pike

[junior trail]

they're practically playing the same tbh, just keep o.special online the entire time

[split quest]

Would u say one is better than the other?

[junior trail]

imo moros feels like the direct upgrade of mel torches

[cerulean bay]

Feels very strong in general.

[split quest]

Well in that case I will just keep my build as I have been using it but change the torches. Sadly I have only Rank 4 where I would have Rank 5 on Mel but I guess that's not that big of a deal, right?

[peak urchin]

how good is Poseidon's special on aspect of pan

[cerulean bay]

It doesn't rely on its rank I don't think, though more is better of course.

[split quest]

I don't think I understand what you are saying here. My knowledge of boon names is probably just not good enough to understand that

[humble kettle]

what’s the best special attack boon for Aspect of Charon?

[brazen echo]

Prob only behind hestia for best special on pan

[junior trail]

If you're using Athena's Righteous Pike, the key is to burn Magick quickly and consistently, since the main source of damage comes from the raining spears that trigger as you spend Magick. So, anything that boosts your Magick usage, or helps you recover it fast, is super valuable, especially with Torches' rapid-cast playstyle.

These increase your Magick usage in Omega moves, letting you burn more before needing to recover:
Apollo: Exceptional Talent: +30 Magick
Demeter: Weed Killer: +10 Magick
Hera: Fine Line: +15 Magick
Poseidon: Ocean Swell: +5 Magick
Ares: Cut Above: +5 Magick

More Magick = more spear rain. Simple as that.

Born Gain (and Flood Gain to lesser extent) are great pick because it restores Magick in chunks without requiring relocation (unlike Ionic Gain or Tranquil Gain).

[split quest]

I don't think I had that Athena boon yet

I mostly go for her defensive stuff

[junior trail]

its a really fun build i recommend it

[split quest]

I was mostly using Hera / Poseidon / Demeter / Heph (for Defense, I just love Trusty Shield)

But I can see Ares over Heph

Cut Above sounds fun as hell

[peak urchin]

thanks!

[split quest]

So basically I would go for something like this right?
Hera Attack
Demeter / Ares Special
Demeter Cast
Demeter / Ares / Poseidon Dash
Born Gain
Ocean Swell / Fine Line / Cut / Ripple Effect
Weed Killer
Righteous Pike

I also really like Poseidon Legendary if I can get it but that tends to be hard

[edgy nacelle]

posiedon legendary also won't be doing all that much on that build, since your main damage will be coming from fine line + other effects like that and your attacks, more so than actual splashes

[split quest]

I see

[edgy nacelle]

so I'd skip it unless you find it naturally, it's not bad but it's hard to build towards 🤷

[split quest]

Good to know well then I don't even have to worry about that

[edgy nacelle]

oh also if you're running surface you can throw in the icarus boon that makes omega moves do extra damage and cost more money lol, if you get lucky and are offered it

• any source of channel speed (hammers, hermes, chaos)

[split quest]

Yeah I already hated having to go for Poseidon Special just for that

[split quest]

I'm never sure what hammer is the one I aim for

[edgy nacelle]

for that build I'd aim for "your omega attacks channel 50% faster," used to be called clean candle but the name maybe changed...? idr

tbh there are a lot of things that can make that build better, like extended family from hera and rallying cry from ares, since both of those will buff the damage of fine lines, pikes, cut above etc etc

[signal coral]

note that torches are a bit weird

if you take attack speed and do not have bonus channel speed, you actually spend magick slower

[edgy nacelle]

but getting the core stuff in place is already good enough! just... you'll very likely find a lot of ways to further buff it

[split quest]

Oh yeah right I usually get Extended Family if I can

[signal coral]

of course the sweet spot is having both channel speed and attack speed + some what to spend excess magick

typically fine line is the most common one because you want to be taking hera for born gain anyways

[split quest]

For some reason I don't see Ares in my Book of Shadows no clue why

I see his Duos but not himself as a seperate entry

[wet thicket]

yall I just had a run with a level 9 sea star im crying

75% for a copy of rare resources 😭

I had 2700 coins at the end of the run bro I was able to buy a ||nightmare||

[edgy egret]

new to playing medea, just finished an overworld run and wanted someone to check if my build was pretty optimal or if it can be better can i send an ss to anyones dms

[viral yew]

hmu

[edgy egret]

thanks

[split quest]

Ok wow. Moros is just beyond broken 😄

[flat flare]

I'm a bit unclear on the wording of Poseidon's Attack Boon (Wave Strike)

I understand that the knockback only applies to "other" foes (ie not the foe directly hit by your attack), but does the damage from the wave also only apply to "other foes?

In other words, if I use a Wave Strike attack on an enemy with no other enemies nearby, is it exactly the same as a boon-less attack, or do they still take the extra damage per wave?

[edgy nacelle]

the damage will hit the first foe too!
so it's always additional flat damage, and a knockback in AoE

[split quest]

Sounds like everyone gets the Splash damage but only other foes get the Knockback

[daring ferry]

Can someone suggest a boon-arcana build for morrigan?

[flat flare]

Ah thanks, well that's considerably better than I'd been assuming, I may start taking that more now

[edgy nacelle]

it's quite good! mainly on fast hitting weapons, since they can trigger so many waves
the legendary + duo boon with ares are also excellent for builds like that

[split quest]

How do I get Gale?

For some reason I have never seen him

[edgy nacelle]

final shop in olympus, iirc? right before prom, kind of easy to miss, I walked by a couple times

[split quest]

lol I must have missed him very very very often then 😄

But yeah the Prom fight still is hard for me so I probably was more focused on that

[opal bay]

@edgy nacelle so where’s the guy asking for morrigan build?

[edgy nacelle]

here

[flat flare]

I guess a similar question concerning the Hitch status effect:

Does the 30% "shared" damage get applied to the enemy getting hit directly as well, or only to "other" enemies with the Hitch status effect (like how Wave Strike's knockback only applies to "other" enemies)