h2-builds-and-combat

[visual moat]

Or vow of scars would be the roughest for me

[static badger]

1 lvl of time is not bad

3 lvls of time...eugh

[edgy nacelle]

timer is honestly way easier than it seems tbh, 1-2 levels of timer are almost free
it pauses during boon selection and fountain/shop rooms, for one
I recommend going into the settings and turning the timer on for a couple runs just to see how long you actually take, since you probably aren't taking >9 minutes per region

[static badger]

my very first fear run was just the time

[edgy nacelle]

hubris is another one which seems scary but really isn't too bad, 1 level is very manageable
I'd also say menace is a pretty solid one to throw in, I'd rather have some enemies from next region than more enemies total with more hp

[static badger]

only time I felt menace was surface

[edgy nacelle]

menace is rough in rift for sure, getting autobots early is....... a lot to deal with

but without hordes/frenzy/wards/fangs it's not that bad imo

[static badger]

I had auto and swords cause I went with hordes and menace max just to see what I was getting into

more hp and shields are tougher combined with the other stuff

hey they could have given us the enemies from the other route too

imagine autobots and (piranhas?) with armor and health

[lapis lantern]

I found frenzy takes a little while to get used to but it quite quickly becomes the norm

One of the ones I found most difficult was fangs 2

[brazen echo]

I haven’t turned on frenzy yet

I really should tbh, think once i get used to frenzy on there’s no reason to turn it off

[lapis lantern]

I started on 1 but then just knocked it up to 2 so I dobt have to relearn timings, it was hard at first but now I play with it always

[brazen echo]

Yeah might as well just go up to 2 and then learn that instead of trying 1 first

[lapis lantern]

Fangs 1 is ok tbh but fangs 2 can deliver some really annoying mobs

[edgy nacelle]

I usually do fangs 2 or 0 but you’re not wrong… the combos get annoying
altho tbh the “this enemy is invincible until all other enemies and revenants are gone” is always my least favorite and that’s bad on its own too

[plain fossil]

Im just out here saying everyone should click denial

Even ppl on 0 fear it genuinely makes the game easier

[lapis lantern]

I hate denial but that's cos I don't know how you use it to my benefit

[plain fossil]

U can use it with or without rerolls to better understand what you're going to be offered from each god boon

[edgy nacelle]

I just don’t find it fun lol. for some specific builds yes, but I don’t like taking away options. I used it for a couple straight months but i’m over it now unless i’m trying to push higher fear.

[plain fossil]

I much prefer stripping out bad boons asap

[lapis lantern]

For my 32 I found a nide set up that didn't take away options for me and the only thing I found kinda of savage was fangs 2

[edgy nacelle]

there are def god pools where I don’t mind it, but there are plenty where I do. making king/queen’s ransom have a lower ceiling is annoying, for instance, or lowering potential scaling on infusions

[plain fossil]

I mean how many god boons are u picking up per run lul

[edgy nacelle]

sometimes a lot lol
travel deal is fun as hell, and I buy a lot of mystery boons from hermes shrines

[plain fossil]

Like, yes, it lowers ur epic highroll meme potential and i fully concede it makes ur youtube video popoff potential lower

[lapis lantern]

Yeah travel deal is cool

[brazen echo]

Oh i hate denial

It’s just not fun for me tbh

[plain fossil]

But in terms of the current discussion - ie how u clear x amount of fear - denial should generally be the first thing u click if u want to clear that fear

[lapis lantern]

Also when you not taking debt and onion etc Ur getting a lot of boons

[plain fossil]

If ur just doing whatever then yea sure im not gonna tell u how to have fun

Have fun however u like its a videogame

[edgy nacelle]

oh see that’s different, it’s great for doing low fear/farming nightmares. but you said “even if you’re playing 0 fear” which I disagree with lol, only do that if you like how it changes builds

[split igloo]

for me its timer by far

[plain fossil]

If ur trying to clear 0 fear and struggling id suggest denial is easier than 0 fear

Some ppl struggle with timer, ive seen genuine 50 minute clears posted here

[split igloo]

woah

i usually spend 3mins max per region

[plain fossil]

Nobody actually struggles with denial ever they just dont like the taste

[split igloo]

true

its actually pretty solid

eliminates the useless options from appearing again

makes your reroll more efficient

[lapis lantern]

I find it just eliminates stuff I want lol

I'm really enjoying playing pom tbh

[split igloo]

i rarely find a god has more than 2 boons i want from them

[lapis lantern]

Let the fates take me

[split igloo]

this is the way

the gamblers run

[edgy nacelle]

I also think if someone is struggling with 0 fear they may not have enough game knowledge to use denial well tbh.
it’s not hard per se but if you don’t plan your rerolls right you can lock yourself out of a core boon slot lol 🤷 or a duo boon requirement ofc

[plain fossil]

Yea i mean how good is ur 5th best boon from a god going to be versus just clicking best boon from different god

[lapis lantern]

I need to learn how to get the most out of zone 2 with the whim keepsakes, I guess take the money one. But I like being able to rarefy boons

[plain fossil]

Some boons scale well with rarity

Some, uh, do not

[split igloo]

aphrodite attack does

pretty decently

[plain fossil]

eg rarity on aph and apollo attack/special: 10/10

Rarity on hera attack/special: 1/10

[brazen echo]

Rarity on ares cores

[split igloo]

aphrodite attack just casually handing out +200% damage

[primal phoenix]

So the jeweled pom effect and pers' skull dont stack ? Sad..

[signal coral]

they do im pretty sure

its just that persephone skull is weighted so that +0 is the most common bonus

by a lot

[primal phoenix]

Ooooh yeah just had a nice +8 boon. Seems i just was out of luck with the 5 first boons

[plain fossil]

Do also note that pom scaling in this game is weird

[signal coral]

not really I don't think?

isn't it just the first 1-2 poms give increased bonuses

and then subsequent poms are just a flat amount?

other than the fact that some boons have a hard cap on the number of poms they can take

[plain fossil]

The net effect is rly different

eg heph lv8 boons in some cases are like literally 3 times better than lv4

[primal phoenix]

Yeah its just that the first few level bonuses are bigger than the other ones, but the numbers should be the same as with normal poms

[plain fossil]

And other boons are like 10% better as lv8

[signal coral]

thats because reducing cooldown increases effectiveness exponentially

[plain fossil]

Yes

[signal coral]

but the pom is still giving a fixed effect per pom

[plain fossil]

I know why lul

But if ppl are stacking pom and persephone then what matters is the net effect of stacking

Rather than the broad statement of well first couple levels are bigger

[civic ocean]

That is generally true

[spiral wadi]

yea there's an extremely weird pom disparity between boons rn

[civic ocean]

Heph is a notable exception

Where poms go from being like exponentially useful to actively hurting you

[spiral wadi]

some boons like aphro cast just has a flat high rate at some point while static shock/gusts get cucked to like 1 or even 0

[primal phoenix]

Yeah it changes from boons to boons, depending of if its a %, a cooldown etc. Pretty fair overall that the % boons wont go up as fast as others

[old flicker]

for future reference, Arthemis gave me the waking phrase to the sister knives while I was using a different aspect/weapon

(I did have her aspect, unlocked all others, and had invested five nmares on the wepon)

[nova roost]

is the Born Gain boon supposed to cause you to start each new location with 20 magick primed? Its description - "Whenever you run out of magick, Prime until the next Location to restore all magick. (Magick Primed: 20)" - implies to me that my magick would be fully restored upon entering each new location, not primed. I assume I'm being dumb here, but I just need someone to draw me a picture with crayons on this one.

[civic ocean]

Are you using any other sources of priming, such as trusty shield, or the Vow of Hubris?

[uneven palm]

You’ve got it. Magick primed from BG is restored next location.

[nova roost]

not that I'm seeing anywhere on my weapons or any of my boons

[nova roost]

Yeah I'm getting primed 20 each new location and I'm not seeing what's doing it :/

[plain fossil]

Screenshot of boon list and fear list?

We should be able to see pretty quick

[uneven palm]

20 is Secret Crush from Aphro

Guessing

[civic ocean]

Is trusty shield 30

[plain fossil]

Yes

Snow queen can be 20 at uh

Purple rarity i think?

[nova roost]

yeah it's snow queen

I'm blind

thx

[plain fossil]

We're all blind sometimes dw

Im just impressed ppl remember secret crush reservation i cant remember the last time i clicked that boon

[signal coral]

btw did they make heph gain unpommable since i last played?

i barely take it so i dont really remember

[nova roost]

blue fyi

[plain fossil]

How bout that

[nova roost]

btw I was trying to upload a screenshot but this server wasn't letting me. normally I can drag and drop no prob. How do you guys do it here?

[edgy nacelle]

yes, I never take it but I'm pretty sure they made it un-pommable

[edgy nacelle]

personally I just grab a free image hosting site and paste a link, since idt the server allows you to directly send images

[uneven palm]

You can also post to a private server and share the media link

[plain fossil]

This is what i do

[nova roost]

yeah. i'm just making sure I wasn't messing up. every other discord I'm in allows direct image posting, so this was new to me

[plain fossil]

Every time i come back to this server im reminded how weird the rules are

[nova roost]

drag and drop image sharing is so powerful, especially with tools like shareX and whatnot. I guess it could be a security concern though.

[shy moat]

I personally really like denial because it lets me fish for the more fun boons rather than having to just hope they come up from the full pool

sometimes I miss a boon I'd like to grab but in general I can pull together stronger combos more reliably with it

[edgy nacelle]

I think it kinda comes down to personal preference. I just strongly dislike being offered the only 2-3 boons I want from a god and having to burn a reroll to not lock two of them lol, like getting sworn strike fine lines and born gain first on moros or w/e.
idt it’s actively bad, just not something I enjoy for fun runs is all

[shy moat]

yeah, different preferences 😄

[lapis lantern]

Can I go aphro on atk on artimes?

[shy moat]

meanwhile I feel like it greatly improves the chances of finding sworn strike fine lines and born gain over the run

[signal coral]

well you will always have to burn a reroll

[shy moat]

only if I get them all at once, otherwise denial burns away the boons I don't want

[signal coral]

most of the time

[lapis lantern]

When using denial do you roll if u get 2 boons u want in one selection ?

[signal coral]

tbh i think denial is net negative after they removed the legendary cheese

[shy moat]

...I often am running at the fates' whim so no I just suck up whichever I feel I can afford to lose most

[signal coral]

but its a pretty minor net negative

[shy moat]

it ought to be far harsher, it's worth 2 fear points

[lapis lantern]

Yeah fair. I'm pretty sold on fates whim but I need a bit more game knowledge to get the most out of it tbh

[signal coral]

imo with rerolls and no denial its not super hard to find the tier 2s you want

as long as you're careful to fill in your cores if there is nothing super important

[plain fossil]

I only reroll if i know my build will actually just straight up not work if i purge one of the two required boons

[plain fossil]

I mean i agree, i think its easier to find em with rerolls and denial tho 🙂

Especially if u want only 2-3 boons from several gods rather than like an exact set of 4-5 from one

[lapis lantern]

Does aphro attk work with daggers ?

[shy moat]

yeah how many you need from 1 god is a big part

[plain fossil]

Sure, dagger attack is an attack

[lapis lantern]

Yeah I mean lol, but is it good

[signal coral]

its fine

[lapis lantern]

Does her and Apollo need certain attacks

[plain fossil]

It's okay on artemis, sure

[signal coral]

blades can basically use any attack boon and its fine

except high cooldown heph

[lapis lantern]

Cool, I'm just trying to do other stuff than zues and Hestia lol

[plain fossil]

If u want to actually hit things with blade attack its probably poseidon that u want

If u just want to omega attack or ur trick knives spamming or whatever then u can click any percentage boon (or zeus, which is a percentage boon in disguise) and ur probably ok

[lapis lantern]

Okies Ty

[signal coral]

you dont have to have poseidon

the aspect is quite flexible in what attack boon it takes

[plain fossil]

Hestia is also fine, the percentage boons are okay but imo not as good as hestia or poseidon

Poseidon is imo best largely due to the extra coverage

[lapis lantern]

I'm just kinda fed up of blitz and scorch lol. Or not fed up but it's only really them that I'm clearing higher stuff with

[shy moat]

I enjoy how zeus is a % boon in disguise if you're just maining that attack, but if you ping then swap it's flat damage

[signal coral]

it mostly depends on how you want to handle room clear

can be poseidon, can be hera, can be chain lightning, etc.

[plain fossil]

Chain lightning is great but wont show up as early as poseidon + imo u want to be eyeballing both anyway esp if u have blue shields on

Im not abig fan of hera on blades as u need to tag everything, which blades can struggle with

[lapis lantern]

Yeah I normally play chain lightning or freezer burn on knives

[uneven palm]

I like just starting Hera cast on Mel Blades. Lots of stuff is ok on attack/special so you can flesh those out later and you’re starting with crowd control on the cast

[plain fossil]

I dont usually want anything else from hera, is my issue there

Mel blades doesnt need the gain and hera utility is not great anymore

Imo, at least

If i want a cc cast i think demeter is better no?

[signal coral]

if im tryharding on blades its just zeus start

but unfortunately if im tryharding on many weapons its zeus start

[plain fossil]

Cant go wrong with storm ring start

[civic ocean]

If im tryharding its pom start

[signal coral]

yeah with pom now i assume pom on blades would be good

since it can make do with most core boons and be fine

most of my runs were in EA when pom didnt exist

[plain fossil]

Hestia and poseidon attack also scale pretty well with levels, that sounds reasonable sure

I havent messed much with pom either

[signal coral]

i think after the 1.0 buffs the full blade combo averages about 30 damage per hit

[shy moat]

speaking of demeterhera and casting, I wish her energy restore didn't reserve so much each reset

it's like an energy tax if you want to run it, gotta sink a bunch of levels into it and gaining energy to not run out while using it on top

[plain fossil]

Do u mean hera

[shy moat]

...yes

[plain fossil]

Demeter gain is the afk gain

[shy moat]

yes, I do

Demeter gain is alright just not amazing

[plain fossil]

Hera gain is rly good if ur using a ton of burst mana

It doesnt require u to mess about and press any buttons other than the one thats doing damage

[shy moat]

poseidon or apollo both keep up really easily though, with way less investment

[signal coral]

hera gain is very strong because you dont have to think about it besides just having max mana

and also its the only gain that can sustain GIGA mana intensive builds

like possessed array or torch spam

[plain fossil]

Yea thats the big thing

Like u cannot play possessed array with poseidon gain u just run out of mana and lose

If u cant kill the whole room in the poseidon timer

[signal coral]

like apollo gain is great for builds that use omegas at a reasonable pace but if i have possessed array my entire magick bar is gone in 3 seconds

[plain fossil]

That or u have to afk a bit

[shy moat]

my problem with hera then is pretty soon the whole bar is reserved

[signal coral]

just get more magick

[plain fossil]

Theyre supposed to be dead by then

[signal coral]

born gain scales quadratically with your max magick

more magick = bigger resets and also more resets

I have found that somewhere around 250-300 magick is enough for the surface (assuming no grit)

this is for really magick intensive builds btw

if your build uses less magick you can get away with less max magick

[plain fossil]

Yea im not sure u need that much with no grit, i did a possessed array surface run on low fear because im still learning rivals with 220 mana it was fine

I guess its build dependent tho i suppose if i got unlucky with dps boons i might need more

[brazen echo]

btw for the hestia hera duo boon, do you go cardio or born gain?

does it count as gain if you hit something while at full maagic

for cardio gain

[signal coral]

i usually err on the side of having slightly too much (since picking up 30 extra mana isnt too costly)

[uneven palm]

I just take Flood Gain for Possessed Array and enjoy the seconds of insanity

And not worry about magick otherwise

[signal coral]

but yeah at some point born gain goes from something you have to pay attention to to infinite magick

with the threshold usually being somewhere in the 200s

[fair spear]

I just made one of the best builds I've ever come up with. Aspect of Cirece. Solar Ring+Local Climate+Hostile Environment+Super Nova+Meat Grinder. It was my first attempt at Unrivaled Chronos so I lost in the last phase, oh well, it was fun to try

I suppose if you add Arctic Gale and Tropical Cyclone you've completed the build

[signal coral]

if im playing torches i will just start hecuba so born gain is already great

if i get possessed array i guess im clicking the wheel

its worth it to keep possessed array permanently on

[plain fossil]

Ppl should click wheel more tbh its usually bad but its got some solid use cases

[uneven palm]

3+ magick pots is stronk

[signal coral]

i only click it with born gain or if im playing higher fear and have primed too much magick

[plain fossil]

Fml server got me again

[signal coral]

usually i find that in other cases its not needed, even though it is a LOT of magick

[magic moss]

omg its unexplainedbacn hello

[signal coral]

i love unexplained bacn

the best bacn is the one that suddenly appears with no explanation

[magic moss]

bah should i start grinding out a fresh save again 😭

yknwo what we balling ff to epilogue

[vital ledge]

yes. at least 2 new files

[uneven palm]

It’s fun. The game is so much more polished than early ea

Everything’s shiny

[magic moss]

gonna feel so weird playing 0F gameplay

wait i just realized i have an ff clear so i have pact unlocked

[plain fossil]

Yea its fun

[signal coral]

i got owned when i restarted my file

[magic moss]

nvm we balling

20F runs here we go

[plain fossil]

I didnt restart my file i cbf grinding

[signal coral]

i just assumed i would be good at the game but you are SO weak at the start

(i am also bad)

[magic moss]

its a skill yeah

[vital ledge]

get ready to beat typhon without a pet and then unlock weapon aspects, gold pots or erebus wells

[uneven palm]

I thought I’d clear night 1 but nope it’s hard

[signal coral]

like what do you mean i took 5 damage on floor 3

and it just sticks the whole game

[magic moss]

i just realized since i beat chronos night 1 all the dialogue is messed up

[signal coral]

and I have 30 hp

[magic moss]

yknow what who cares :))))) going for 100% wr save file

[signal coral]

and all the fountains suck because i havent upgraded them

[plain fossil]

Just dont get hit 5Head the mobs dont even have frenzy

I should try fresh save maybe, might be fun

[magic moss]

i love having pact unlocked before cauldren

[signal coral]

if you practice it you can definitely get it down

its just a skill you have to learn i guess because playing with no metascaling is a different playstyle than regular play

[magic moss]

i mean yeah i speedrun fresh file

[signal coral]

where you just faceroll enemies with dps when possible so you have to interact less with the hard mechanics

[signal coral]

I've lurked a bit and saw some of your comments on it!

[magic moss]

it just feels weird seeing the new landscape of high fear

so many new people and names, its great to see

[signal coral]

im having fun learning the new bosses but im also getting owned

and also just playing on 20 fear for now

the people who are consistently doing 62+ are very impressive

[uneven palm]

Oh I dunno that anyone is “consistent” about 62 lol

[signal coral]

if i have seen multiple win screens from you at 62 then you are consistent in my books

[glass bone]

Consistency for 62s to me is not back-to-back, because of the 10-20 people who have more than 1 or 2 62s, maybe like… half or less could reasonably do 62s back to back unseeded unmodded.

Rather as you said, it is by win screens. And more specifically, using different aspects and weapons

There’s a lot of people with a single 62 clear via Mel Staff, Circe, or Medea. But not as many with multiple 62s with and without these aspects.

[limpid spear]

I think it's probably way less than half. maybe like the top 3 players could pump out multiple 62s in one sitting

well depending on what you consider one sitting

[signal coral]

what is the max fear you think people of your skill level can win 90+% of runs?

[magic moss]

is it possible to get multiple testaments done in 1 run?

[signal coral]

no

[magic moss]

50 fear

[limpid spear]

no you can only do one testament

[signal coral]

they always alternate surface uw

so you can't chain bosses

[glass bone]

90%…. I feel like 50 fear is pretty easy to do most clears

I’d argue the actual max fear for 90% consistency back to back is in the 50s. Maybe 56 if someone is comfortable with Max Rivals but hates Onion and Grit?

[limpid spear]

Yea I think 50 sounds reasonable. You don't even need to put any Vow of Pain on at 50, and reduce to Rivals 3

[magic moss]

also Hookie, it feels so weird seeing you get so many clears now because I was there when you first strarted playing high fear

[signal coral]

now he's a high fear guidemaker

[glass bone]

When you think about it, a lot of the high fear runners are pretty recent newcomers.

[limpid spear]

haha dude, when I first started posting to reddit and was obvlivious to the highfear or speedrunning community, I was STRUGGLING to do more than 40

[glass bone]

Like I have done now 9 62 Fear clears (not including duplicate aspects). And yet I only started going far in Unseen EA

Even then I still feel like I can improve, compared to some other players

[magic moss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1051942150025269309/1417046605944586321/image.png?ex=68e5673e&is=68e415be&hm=41688df79c54ad25e83e99fd0adfc31ddf1276c3279d6c28d81ec03cf9b3f1db&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1219&height=181 like you've grown so much

[signal coral]

maybe its just natural burnout for the older members
plus learning high fear is HARD and if you've already made the commitment having to do it again after a major change feels bad

[limpid spear]

lmaooooo the receipts!

[glass bone]

True. Never played the original 50 Fear (ignoring Rivals).

[signal coral]

like i want to learn rivals bosses but right now if I turn on rivals 4 frenzy 2 I will actually just die over and over again

[glass bone]

And I have heard of several veterans quitting around Unseen

[limpid spear]

fr though, big shoutouts once again to @magic moss Mininet's High Fear guide!!

[signal coral]

im sad mynt left the community

[limpid spear]

oh wow that's surpising to hear considering how you're dropping 62s these days

[signal coral]

when I was playing in EA they were cracked at the game and watching their youtube videos really helped me improve

[magic moss]

he was getting so many DMs and pings it was honestly kinda disgusting

[glass bone]

I mean I guess have played “50 Fear original” with Rivals, but they are super different experiences now due to Timer and Hecate / Prom…

[signal coral]

then I stopped playing with the intention of coming back after 1.0
and when I came back they had deleted everything and disappeared 🙁

[glass bone]

I mean I get it. They wanted to take a break, but got pushed to put it indefinitely

It was pressure. And it sucks that that happened.

[signal coral]

I played in the first patch as well but I sucked back then
also the game felt a lot harder and max fear was giga cursed

a lot of the vows were super sus to take and I feel like mel was overall a lot weaker

[glass bone]

Will say; 62 Fear over time has gotten easier and easier, for the most part

[plain fossil]

Brother i could say the same for u

[magic moss]

WAIT U RIGHT

[plain fossil]

Look at u all grown up now

[magic moss]

[glass bone]

New keepsakes exist, Prom Rivals have had several HP nerfs, Goldwraith and Double Minibosses were removed from Chronos, etc.

Oh also Rival Eris was actually harder in Patch 9, to the point where 62 Fear would probably be unfair with her targeting skills

[magic moss]

i miscalculated 😭

[limpid spear]

hahaha the real OG's out here while mininet has unc status compared to rest of us

[plain fossil]

I didnt play rivals until a week ago so idk any of these bosses well, but definitely right now rivals eris feels less punishing than regular eris

[signal coral]

old vow used to deal 800% damage to you on the first hit in every room iirc

[plain fossil]

Actual negative fear vow again lulw

[signal coral]

you basically had to take heph shield to cheese the first hit damage bonus

[glass bone]

I wonder if / when we’ll get like… “a history of clears in Hades 2” video in the future

Because I feel like there are some interesting stories to tell

**from EA release to 1.0

[signal coral]

@magic moss time to become a youtuber???

[magic moss]

my sheet is the closest thing we have to an early EA archive since Autumn took a long break in the EA

[glass bone]

True. Also there are some archived builds of old patches to see why certain things occurred.

[magic moss]

again the sheet

has over 2000 victory screens from every EA patch up until unseen

[plain fossil]

Have u heard the legend of patch 1 momus

[magic moss]

i still hold the opinion that patch 8 prehotfix mel skull was stronger

[plain fossil]

Idk i didnt play patch 8

[signal coral]

patch 1 momus is just current mel staff except the special had twice the speed

[plain fossil]

I did however play patch 1 momus and hide in the corner a lot

[signal coral]

the max fear clear is literally just press special as fast as you can

was also pretty cursed to be able to mash that quickly as well

[plain fossil]

Twice the speed + twice the range + it tracked lul

Oh yea it was awful gameplay

[signal coral]

like i tried playing that weapon and mashing quickly is actually so hard

[plain fossil]

Sit in corner and dribble on rightclick as fast as possible

[limpid spear]

wow I didn't know you organized 2000 clear sheets! that's incredible

[magic moss]

oh yeah it was a lot

[old flicker]

Aspect of ||Anubis||: it feels like I am using a fork to eat soup

[uneven palm]

Dash-Attack (O attack large enemies or choke points if it’s safe), cast, use specials or ideally O specials to Hoover everything into your doom zone. Dash immediately since you’re inviting things into your personal space. Especially with O specials watch the room evaporate

[edgy nacelle]

it kinda reverses how staff works in a way
don't spam attacks, place down an omega attack and let it tick, then spam other stuff like specials, casts, dashes.
you can also dash while channeling the Ω attack to position it, and make it either overlap with the center of the attack field or cover more total AoE

if you want to learn to like it just grab hestia on attack and watch it shred stuff, it's weird but quite strong

[hollow stag]

Woah, Hera offered me all 3 Epic boons! For Mel base Umbral flames, which is more important to start with? Attack Boon, Engagement Ring, or Fine Line (Omega moves)

I already have Born Gain

[edgy nacelle]

I'd say attack boon or fine line, for sure.
I'd probably go for the attack boon first...? But up to you.

[plain fossil]

Its pretty rare that i would click fine line early

[hollow stag]

I also have Furious Blaze hammer (move and attack 20% faster while channeling Attacks)

[plain fossil]

Ur asking for mana problems

I would take the attack boon

[hollow stag]

I have Epic Born Gain, with 103 Mana

[prisma needle]

how does looming ignition work with medea

is it just +50% damage bonus
or does it do nothing unless you wait 0.7 secs

[old flicker]

yeah by the time that I cast special fi already got hit by 300 projectiles lol

[edgy nacelle]

I'd mainly take fine line early if I was aiming for the duo boon with poseidon, which I like doing 🤷
if you prioritize mana and already have a good gain boon then you should be fine.
but the attack will get origination going and is the safer choice

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1424956154685161532/image.png?ex=68e5d555&is=68e483d5&hm=648f3c504c575ad7aaa38e06f96184b6b905fb6bec437267cd20279fd6fd803c&

why does it work here lmao

[hollow stag]

I also have a Poseidon boon! Hopefully he gets me Ocean Swell soon.

[signal coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1377540616690597908/1423462017817247916/Recording_2025-10-02_200855.mp4?ex=68e5abcf&is=68e45a4f&hm=6fbe5a234c7d22eda472c144d241dc8e3f066a19a43d8a193500ac2f10686702&

this is what the bread and butter combo of the weapon looks like

dont need o-attack if enemies are weak

but overlapping the o-attack and regular attack is very nice for strong enemies or choke points

[elfin forge]

yeah, stack cast for furies and curses, and spam special

[junior trail]

so its the same tactic as charon

[signal coral]

also the dash back helps buy space and gives you room to channel to o-attack

[limpid spear]

btw if you a sprint for a moment before the dash-strike, you can cancel the recovery animation sooner

[signal coral]

good tip

[pine ridge]

when you do fated runs, do you prefer to start with the pom or the card?

[limpid spear]

100% pom

[signal coral]

most people start pom

[edgy nacelle]

pom although I'm still kind of new to them
card has the same number of usages no matter when you take it
pom will affect a whole region's worth of extra boons if you take it first

[signal coral]

pom and card kind of do the same thing because rarity and levels both make the number bigger

but pom also gives you a free boon and the effect works on every boon you pick up instead of you needing to pick specific ones

[dim coral]

does super nova affect size of special of charon axe?

[old flicker]

dang those are them young man reactions

thanks!

[plain fossil]

Na its just muscle memory u dont do any of it on reaction

Its the same as the charon dash combo, u look like some korean god to the naked eye but its just pressing the same buttons in the same order and timing x1000

[shy moat]

okay...

Aspect of Shiva scenario with Ares magick recovery vs Prometheus?

Do the devs just hate us? That was so boring and bad feeling

if they want to make me hate using the aspect of shiva they put together the right scenario for it

[junior trail]

yes but you dont want to wait for its fully expanded size

[shy moat]

so when the keyword says "Attacks" does that mean:

• Attack
• Omega Attack
• Dash Attack

When it says
"Attack Power" does it mean:

• Attack

???

[limpid spear]

I think there may still be some inconsistencies in the code, but in general,
Attack = standard attack + (dash attack)?
Attacks = same + Omega Attack

[junior trail]

get his legendary ig
also why grisly on magick-heavy aspect

[shy moat]

I don't think Attack ever includes Dash Attack

[shy moat]

it sucked so bad

just constantly dry vs the boss and doing the most boring hit and runs and kiting

which is a different gripe haha

[limpid spear]

for example, mel axe does get +50 dash-attack power

[shy moat]

70 hours and I still screw up the keywords when trying to read a description

[shy moat]

it does?

...but the hammer that adds 300 attack to axe does not boost dash (And shouldn't, but the description should be clear)

[limpid spear]

hmm well, that's where the inconsistencies come into play lol

[shy moat]

oh great, The Huntress arcana does boost dash attack too

[limpid spear]

for sure though, charon and than axe deal 40 dmg on dash-attack, mel deals 90

[shy moat]

damnit Supergiant

[limpid spear]

I can test later. not in game atm

[shy moat]

keywords were so good in Hades 1 I didn't expect to run into this here

not a dealbreaker by any means but it is a little disappointing, my faith is at 95% 😛

[vernal shuttle]

When Rival Chronos nukes the whole field except a tiny circle. Can you stop him from doing that?

[viral yew]

No

[vernal shuttle]

Well at least stop him from doing it 3 times in a row?

I swore I saw Haelien stop him from doing it

[shy moat]

if you phase him sure

[vernal shuttle]

but idk how

[shy moat]

okay; this goes back to a bit of an earlier discussion.

Does Glow boost damage from environmental objects? It says "Afflicted foes take +25% damage for 5 Sec." so doesn't specify it has to be from Mel

[vernal shuttle]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxNzXIpMfXSlgD10G3vjXqUGLZn3qQipS9?si=VKD-_MCuA37Vnnog

[junior trail]

dps skip, just beware of the bubbles at the middle and top center

[vernal shuttle]

So I can just dps him to stop it

[fallen stirrup]

How exactly do you pilot || Anubis's aspect|| or at the very least what are some good boons for it

[vernal shuttle]

is there hard numbers on that?

If i knew I wouldve just did that. Had like such a sweet build then I got one tapped cause I'm using Strength. Pissed me off so much

[median anvil]

hestia or zeus attack, beefy %boost on your special like aphro, apollo or hera

[fallen stirrup]

Hestia really? yay i actually get to use her for once lol

[tacit crow]

Need a Mel coat build

[median anvil]

hestia is pretty good you should be using her more

[median anvil]

hestia or poseidon attack goes pretty good on it

[tacit crow]

What about the sp?any duos I need to look for?

[junior trail]

there is but its appeared as a certain hp cap (like in haelien's clip)

[old flicker]

does the effect from freezer burn happen only on the first instance of freeze, or if I reapply scorch my next freeze will do it again?

[shy moat]

it triggers whenever freeze gets applied, so the first one has to drop off before it will happen again

[vernal shuttle]

I had a Morrigan build with Haeph attack. I was easily beating the bricks off that cap. I'm actually gonna crash out

[median anvil]

anything that applies a good curse like zeus or hestia (if you don't have them on attack already) or hera

[rugged moon]

The omega is crucial to anubis. The fields base damage is low. But does hit fast at a .5s tickrate so can really fast apply scorch numbers. But verse bosses need to get the omega on them during pauses

The OAttack deals triple the base damage of the field and ticks three per second i believe instead of twice

Works amazing with the zues O damage triggers blitz boon.

[fallen stirrup]

Does every tick of damage from ||anubis|| proc hestia's gain for mana ?

[spiral wadi]

it should yes

[shy moat]

I feel like the regular special doesn't though

[old flicker]

Aspect of Pan plus scorch on special, level 8 epic Highly Flamable = approved

[fallen stirrup]

Question is || Typhon immune to burns? granted i dont have the ability yet to see his health bar but it seems it takes zero burn dmg||

[shy moat]

don't think so, though all I know is he can have the effect inflicted; ||I could get big damage numbers from freezer burn on him||

[turbid crescent]

Is aspect of mel on twin blades worth investing into?

[ripe wadi]

Does hestia attack boon work well with umbral.flames?

Or should I use Zeus for chain lightning

[brazen echo]

It doesn't use nightmares so it's mostly free

[turbid crescent]

True

How good is it tho?

[brazen echo]

meh

i like it but it's not particularly strong

if you want an attack spam dagger artemis is prob better

but not by much

[plain fossil]

Sigh, automod wont let me express my feelings about the power level of mel daggers

[brazen echo]

i agree though

outside of morrigan they're all very meh

Pan is technically strong but I think I hate it the most out of all the daggers

[peak urchin]

for Aspect of Eos, what boons are especially good with it

[junior trail]

heaven flourish+arc flash or romantic

also thermal if hestia's in the run

[peak urchin]

which ones romantic

oh zues aphro duo

[civic ocean]

I think for the daggers what tends to unlock them for me is to not think about them as weapons that you need a set build and instead just go with the flow

[peak urchin]

how bad is it to go both zues for attack and special? im assuming its better to switch it up so you get multiple different effects on the boss

[civic ocean]

Generally multiple blitz effects are pretty bad yes

[peak urchin]

i got the attack and special for aspect of eos, I guess ill try and swap it for a different boon when I can

[civic ocean]

It might not matter because just one is good enough to win with

But you can only have one blitz on something at a time

[peak urchin]

cool. if i could prioritize any attack boon for eos, what do you reccomend

[civic ocean]

Blitz really appreciates the Origination Arcana, which adds a global 50% multiplier to all damage while the enemy has two olympian curses on them.

So for Eos really anything that applies a long-lasting curse is good alongside blitz, because it means that Daybreaker can trigger Origination on its own. I like Freeze, Hitch is good, Wounds are great too especially if you can get Grievous Blow

[peak urchin]

sweet okay

ill try freeze

[civic ocean]

In fact that is kind of bread and butter for basically every Flames in the game - blitz on attack/special, another status on the other, and your damage goes crazy

[peak urchin]

sounds good. I always have origination equipped so its damage city

[old flicker]

Going for my final underworld run. I guess I should use whatever weapon I have been more successful right instead of checking this giant nergal mace that is level 1 lol

[ripe wadi]

Best boon for umbral flames attack?

I'm thinking hestia scorch

[viral yew]

Pos/hestia

[peak urchin]

GOD damnit ||typhon pisses me off|| I thought i was so close

[viral yew]

What phase did you get to

[peak urchin]

cant really tell the phases. I got past the part where zues helps you, and he was shooting a ton of projectiles that had very little telegraphing

[viral yew]

Did you make it past the second wave of eggs?

[tough pasture]

I need some help understanding medea...

I used to think that best way to maximize medea zeus build was to have zeus special but I find that zeus attack works better.

(Anyone have an opinion on this?)

[peak urchin]

methinks, lol

[viral yew]

Medea works because you can inflic blitz on the special, then immediately activate it with the attack

[tough pasture]

i don't understand. in that case, wouldn't it best to have zeus boons on both medea attack and special?

[junior trail]

blitz doesnt stack when putting on both atk/special (unlike heph blast ahem) so just zeus on special is fine

[viral yew]

No, blitz requires enough damage to activate, you don't get double blitz

[tough pasture]

maybe the rarity affected how it felt because I had heroic zeus attack (on run #2) versus rare zeus special (on run #1) but it felt like my medea run with zeus attack (and hestia special) was dealing a lot more damage than the medea run with zeus special.

[viral yew]

You're either playing the weapon wrong or you're not putting a good boon on the attack

[edgy nacelle]

there are a lot of reasons the run with zeus on attack could have been better 🤷
other boons, how you're playing it, poms and rarity. but in general zeus on special is better

but like. idk, if you had epic double strike or something on one run that might change things lol, a lot of factors go into damage

[tough pasture]

i do find that i can't spam the attack+special combo the way I've seen other ultra high fear or speedrunners do it. For me, there's definitely a 0.5 second to 1 second delay.

I'm not sure if it's because i try to put 2-3 skulls into medea and then aim but most speedruns i've seen tend to do one skull and then change direction, and then go in the opposite direction.

/i'm playing on controller.
//I think medea aspect is one that might be better on mouse & keyboard.

[viral yew]

Medea is better on controller, you load one, go, and then while you're in the special animation, you can load another one

[tough pasture]

what's the reason for not loading 2 or more skulls?

I do notice that i do tend to do more damage overall when i choose to load one, special, and then repeat. but maybe my fingers just aren't fast enough to do it often...

/maybe I answered my own question...

[viral yew]

You get better blitz procs much faster

[tough pasture]

say i play vow of denial...(or just in general...i want to play something other than zeus)

What else works on medea special? and what should i combine it with on the attack?

[viral yew]

Only play Zeus special on medea

[tall notch]

Honestly Medea deals silly damage no matter what you put on it

[tough pasture]

damn...

then i'm feeling like a scrub at this moment...

[tall notch]

Dw I don't know how to play that thing without tanking every hit either

[edgy nacelle]

I mean if you're playing denial your goal should be to avoid deleting zeus special from the pool at all costs, but...
if you're not playing zeus then I'd say just get a status curse for orig 🤷
like (post ending) ||if you're playing mom pom and zeus just never shows up then there are other options, even if they're worse||

[acoustic sandal]

Hera/Ares attack seem to be the go to with zeus special due to a couple factors, like ares duo with light smite from apollo

Originality is also just really good

[viral yew]

Ares is not worth it, you're better off taking hera with zeus

[acoustic sandal]

Okay? People can play what they want?

[viral yew]

They can, i'm just giving my opinion lmao

Not that deep

[acoustic sandal]

Then at least explain why it wouldn't be worth

[viral yew]

Hera gives the highest %damage while still applying a curse, giving more damage than ares, the supporting boons and other core boons are really strong, ares is better for survival tho with blood spree, you can get an easy pivot into queens/kings ransom if needed for insane numbers, hera just has more damage and better support boons than ares does imo

[mellow owl]

EM Polyphemus is extremely hard for me Jesus
I’ve literally never come close to dying against him before, in his default form but I just did, despite having an insane build

[viral yew]

Ares requires alot more investment to be anywhere near as good as Zeus and hera do with just 1 or 2 boons

[viral yew]

You need to camp the wells and be very careful about the poison

[edgy nacelle]

how many times have you tried the fight?
imo it's hard at first but becomes one of the easiest rivals fights once you're used to it. the poison is very predictable so most attacks are pretty easy to dodge if you know what's coming

camp the wells for sure, also just play a bit more reactive while you're learning it and it'll sink in before long

[viral yew]

They're almost the same as all normal poly attacks

[mellow owl]

Oh, only once lol. Still pretty early
I was just surprised bc I beat Hecate first try and I didn’t even get hit that much

[viral yew]

Yeah poly is a big adjustment

[edgy nacelle]

in the long run I think Hecate ends up being the harder one with other vows turned on and heavy time pressure, but polyphemus is a way bigger change compared to his base fight so that's understandable! a lot of people died first try tbh

[acoustic sandal]

EM Poly definitely threw me for a loop the first time

[edgy nacelle]

out of curiosity what weapon were you using? I think I managed it the first time but I was also playing with a ton of range, and my second attempt was with axe and sucked lol

[novel maple]

i think rivals poly is not that much different. same with prometheus, hecate + scylla are a much larger power spike imo.
and old man + monsterguy

[mellow owl]

Aspect of Pan for the first time ever, so it might have just been me trying to get used to a new weapon

[acoustic sandal]

Scylla destroyed me the first time cos there's just so much going on

[viral yew]

Underworld rivals got spiked more than the surface ones, they're about equal difficulty

[novel maple]

what did not help was that i refused to take frenzy 2 off till i beat rivals 4 😅
it makes scylla hell

[acoustic sandal]

Lol

[viral yew]

I've only ever done rivals with frenzy 2, god knows how much pain i've cause myself

[edgy nacelle]

oh yeah absolutely, Pan (post nerfs </3) also makes you stand still for ages while channeling which makes you a sitting duck for poison lol so that's very understandable

[novel maple]

a lot. i am doing chill runs on rivals 1 now. and you can actually see that all the moves are super well telegraphed

[acoustic sandal]

I need to ease into frenzy tbh

[viral yew]

When I was doing my aspect runs for 32f I either died at scylla or won (playing with vor2)

[mellow owl]

Yeah
I’ll probably end up loving it (Chiron was my fav in Hades 1 and it’s not even close), but this was a bad intro to it lol

[acoustic sandal]

And honestly I find EM Prom easier than base

[novel maple]

ye, scylla and granpah are the hardest fights with rivals 4 and frenzy 2 imo.
typh is 3rd i guess?

[viral yew]

I didn't find typhon that much harder on rivals, gramps is the real mf

[viral yew]

Me n eris fr

[acoustic sandal]

Literally though

[edgy nacelle]

Chiron was my favorite in Hades 1 too (or tied with Zeus shield), but tbh Pan doesn't feel anywhere near as good to me... it used to during early access but they made it feel a lot worse shortly before release, sadly.
altho part of what I liked about Chiron was the range, which is harder to make work on Pan, so depending on why you liked it you may feel differently

[acoustic sandal]

Easy way to dispatch bombs and eris is fine

[novel maple]

yea. it's not that bad. it's mainly scylla and granpah that are really tough.

[viral yew]

Exactly why axe is my least favourite weapon on surface

[mellow owl]

Still pretty early, but looking at testaments on the wiki is 12 fear Hecate into 16 fear Typhon not an insane jump in difficulty?

[viral yew]

Which is funny cause uw 67 was beaten before sf 67

[viral yew]

Yes

[novel maple]

mobs are a lot harder on surface, and timer is tighter. i guess that's why

[acoustic sandal]

I recently got supay and omg it was so funny just hitting the two step on eris and watching her melt

[viral yew]

Yeah true that

[clever drum]

Levels 1 to 12 don't have a set order (each weapon has one), but 16 and 20 are always Chronos or Typhon

[mellow owl]

Yeah
I’ll probably end up trying to get Hestia’s fireball cast ASAP when using it

[clever drum]

So yeah, they're meant to be tough and a final step

[acoustic sandal]

Zeus probs better cos there's no travel time

[viral yew]

Or at least as tough as the game is willing to go

[acoustic sandal]

Lightning lance

[mellow owl]

Oh, yeah he has one of those too

[acoustic sandal]

I also like howling soul, the hades one

[edgy nacelle]

and the dionysius one....... exists too

[viral yew]

Howling soul is really good if you get it from the keepsake

[acoustic sandal]

Had that once on a circe run

[tall notch]

I reset when i get howling soul because of its tendency to just fly off-screen

[edgy nacelle]

I like howling soul a lot too, I think it may even make casts stick to eris when she flies away if she lands soon enough which is fun

[acoustic sandal]

I've been running raki a lot for circe runs, feels really good with an aimed cast

[edgy nacelle]

bleh ||mom pom|| medea run and ephyra has apollo hestia poseidon and heph... I guess apollo + heph for armor and skip the others
or are any of those particularly worth taking lol, still not used to no rerolls

[viral yew]

You could maybe make that work with hestia/heph special apollo attack

If u don't get good boons reroll the seed

[acoustic sandal]

Was gonna say, apollo atk not bad

[edgy nacelle]

sounds good
trying to reroll the seed less these days but if I leave ephyra with nothing but defense I will lol

[viral yew]

Uw you can easily get away with no resets but surface you gotta get lucky

[acoustic sandal]

I've been thinking about doing a run with aphro atk on shiva, is it any good?

[novel maple]

shiva you charge in with the omega attack no? so i guess it's solid

[viral yew]

Yes

[novel maple]

come to think of it, i've seen videos of runs where ppl reset their seed at the fear station. how does that work? i don't seem to have that option

[viral yew]

It's an incantion

[novel maple]

huh, i thought i had them all by now

thanks!

[acoustic sandal]

There must be so many incantations I still don't have due to not having gotten the dialogue lol

[viral yew]

I need to count how many there actually are

[lean crypt]

Not me having all aspects except for the staff

[brazen echo]

Facing a wall now trying to clear 20 fear surface with frenzy 2 on

I probably should learn frenzy at a lower fear

But the pain is a good teacher

[viral yew]

What are your other vows?

[brazen echo]

Time 3, Menace 2, Shadow, Hubris 2

Also Scars 1 but after the run it turned out it was Scars 2

Tbh i prob could have cleared it if circe hadn't given me death

[viral yew]

Nothing bad, just gotta get used to the frenzy

[brazen echo]

And i used athena keepsake on olympus for javs or impervious

Frenzy eris is so fast

[meager wadi]

just first timed typhon and promethus havent played since the first early access patch what insane fights

[pastel canopy]

is mel staff easier on mouse/keyboard? specifically aiming the dash strike, i find it harder to aim at enemies while dashing in a direction away from them

[novel maple]

frenzy2 eris is a pain yea

[forest oxide]

Is Wide Grin with Medea terrible? I'm running an Ares attack Zeus Special build

[junior trail]

wide grin extends the gathering shells delay, so if you want smoother gameplay, it’s better to avoid using it

[brittle brook]

Whats a good weapon for a Hephaestus blast build?

[clever drum]

Aspect of Persephone

[novel maple]

any would do i guess. i enjoy artemis daggers with it. parry sth nasty and retaliate

artemis making heph blasts crit when? 😈

[brittle brook]

So what boons specifically are affected by seismic tempo?

[edgy nacelle]

mostly just flood gain and blast effects
the others iirc are all from NPCs you can only run into once a run—Athena has some, Artemis has one, Dionysius has a few. afaik no other core boon giver benefits from it
anything that lists a recharge/rearm time or similar

[novel maple]

hestia legendary? i am not sure that matters tho 😅

[edgy nacelle]

I don't think it counts for the duo afaik?
it doesn't rearm/recharge after a certain period, it just constantly inflicts scorch at a set rate, like her normal cast does (or like storm ring strikes)
I'm not 100% sure but I don't think it affects casts, scorch, or wound application despite those mentioning time

[novel maple]

i thought it might affect her legendary, because it absorbs projectiles every 3 seconds? idk.

[noble marsh]

I wanted to know, does fears like ennemies move faster or deal more damage apply to bosses ?

[novel maple]

yes, that's why grit and fury are VERY bad fears to activate

[median anvil]

honestly frenzy is kinda chill when you get used to it

grit and hordes will always be bad though

[noble marsh]

Oh so that's why, i was correct thinking bosses move faster with it

[acoustic sandal]

Who do y'all run on morrigan?

[cosmic steppe]

Do chaos and Hades count for extended family?

It says "boon givers", not "Olympians"

[viral yew]

No

[mellow owl]

Still pretty early, how should I use my nightmares? I heard the Hidden Aspects only unlock if you have another Non-Mel aspect fully upgraded, so should I just focus on one and fully upgrade that first before moving on to another, so I can get all aspects ASAP? Or should I upgrade all the ones I use evenly?

[viral yew]

you only need 5 nmare in the weapon, spend it however u like

[acoustic sandal]

It's no rush, you'll unlock them eventually

[stray notch]

I feel a bit dumb but how does anubi staff work?
Does it pull? Does it push?
I don't get it xD

[edgy nacelle]

the attack drops a big circle that deals damage quickly over time—don't spam it, just drop it and only use attack again to refresh or reposition. the omega attack can layer on top of it and is also quite strong, and you can dash and aim quite channeling to position better

the special and omega special both pull in enemies, and are your spammable move while your attack does its thing. in theory you can use them to pull enemies into your circle or omega attack, or just for damage

if you want a good anubis run, start with hestia and get scorch on your attack and watch the world burn lol, it's quite strong with stuff like scorch and splash on attack. the omega attack is also quite fun once you figure out how flexible the aiming is

[turbid crescent]

Boons for torches

[stray notch]

Ah ok, cause instead I was casting the cast and then pulling enemies inside it but they trhen were to cloose and they were nuking me down

so instead I want to place the attack and have the enemies walk though it

like the attack is a sort of cast

[edgy nacelle]

yes! you can also layer it with the cast
anubis also has some weird stuff with dashing and summoning ghosts from killed enemies, but you can kinda ignore that tbh

[stray notch]

What is the difference between normal attack and omega attack? They kinda look the same

[edgy nacelle]

the normal attack is the big circle
the omega attack is like... an arc that appears near the edge of it? but if you dash mid-channel you can position the arc to be in the middle of the circle, or even outside of it

[stray notch]

ah lol yeah now I noticed it

I guess it's an ignorable mechanic after all... yeah what are the ghosts thing?

[edgy nacelle]

when you kill an enemy, a shade appears
if you dash through/near those shades, they seek out enemies and deal damage (then disappear after 1 hit)
a couple daedalus hammers change how that works/makes it stronger, but you can't rly use it in boss rooms much since you run out of enemies to kill, and the damage isn't super amazing

the heart of the weapon imo is the attack and omega attack, then the special, and then the dash thing is like... neat flavor but only sometimes useful

[stray notch]

ah lol, why they made it that you need to activate the shades?
It would have been a bit better if they would seek out enemies on their own

I mean, it's a lot of extra positioning @)@

[edgy nacelle]

yeahhh agreed, but tbh it's already an extremely strong weapon on its own
one of the daedalus hammers makes it so that your omega special kinda activates all the shades and makes them seek out the enemy you hit
but truly you can just ignore them most of the time

[lean crypt]

What's the best torch aspect? I've just been using Mel with crit build but idk

[stray notch]

Moros has the highest consensus afaik

[edgy nacelle]

Moros probably, none of them are bad tho
Moros is kinda just "Mel but better," you lose the crit chance but your attacks deal more damage in a bigger AoE if you play it well (and you should play Mel the same way as Moros ideally)

[lean crypt]

Moros is just omega special and the attack yeah

[edgy nacelle]

yup!
which you want to do for Mel too, just with Mel you can ignore the special if you want to

[lean crypt]

Yea

[stray notch]

Mel zeus gatling is still my fav build, just hold down one key and gg, no need to do more

[edgy nacelle]

truly all of them are good tho (I say, biased, since it's my overall favorite weapon type)
also holydr4gon have you tried that but with ripple effect? 👀

if you like "hold down attack and burn magick spamming it" then ripple effect builds are VERY fun for that, I love them. + other magick related effects like athena pikes and cut above optionally
needs a lot of magick regen but it's soooo satisfying

[stray notch]

Nope but gonna try it now :3

What about the secret torches?
I read they are quite good with a sprint build but never looked into it

[glass bone]

Secret Torches are good, but they fall a bit at extremely high fear (above 50 fear, with Vow of Forfeit in UW especially).

They rely on getting a Rush boon at high fear, ideally Breaker Rush or Heat Rush

[lean yoke]

i like how the knives' backstab function is good for taking down eris

[stray notch]

I did not understood morrigan at first... now I can't do without it lol

[surreal hazel]

as with all hidden aspects, it's easy to look at the specific gimmick and overlook how it changes your basic moves

for some reason the morrigan attack combo is 11x3, 33x3

they seem to really like these damage numbers that are all the same number with morrigan

[stray notch]

If you get the attack hammer on morrigan (I dont rember the name) the one that makled you deal 300% dmg in a wider area you can just spam attack and clear the whole screen lol

So with Supai I just keep the rush pressed and run nearby enemies, nothing more right?

[novel maple]

you can also do omega atk / special. but that's the gist of it yea

[surreal hazel]

Final Slice

and isn't it +300%? so 4x base damage

kinda funny really, with no other modifiers, your attack combo becomes

-# 33

396

[stray notch]

I'm tryiong to do supai trieal but it's quite unlikely not to get hit while runn ing so close to enemies... am i missing something?

[novel maple]

rush through them, also arcana card that lets you sprint through them, that's about it

just keep using your iframes

[stray notch]

iframes?

[novel maple]

when you dash you have a short window of invulnerability

[stray notch]

bud do i need to dash or sprint?

[novel maple]

sprint, but you want to dash too

else you'll get hit

and most rush boons activate on dashing too, i think it's only hestia that does not?

[edgy nacelle]

one thing to keep in mind is that supay attacks do not stun enemies! most weapons do (except against armored enemies), so supay is risky in exchange for the automatic damage

also, Mel is invulnerable during her dash while she visibly looks transparent/ghost-like, as a reference
weave in dashes to dodge between sprints, on Supay, as needed

[surreal hazel]

Hera's and posideon's needs you to enter the full run

[civic wing]

How does Boosted Ignition interact with Medea aspect?

[surreal hazel]

It works but the fuse timer is slower

[civic wing]

Ah I see, thanks

[surreal hazel]

So it takes longer to grow to more damage

[civic wing]

TIL the longer you hold it the more damage it does???

[surreal hazel]

Hold it?

[civic wing]

Oh you mean the special

[surreal hazel]

You mean the time between releasing the attack and it actually exploding

Nothing to do with specials

Medea's attack sticks to you for three seconds max

[civic wing]

Yeah I get that, I was just confused about this part

[surreal hazel]

Wait. You said boosted ingnition

I'm talking about looming ignition

Oops. But yes, still works

[civic wing]

Ahhhh

Okay thanks, I ended up going with another hammer choice but good to know for the future

[stray notch]

It's funny how i did all the stone challenges without any issue untill I reached this supai thing... no HP, no HP regen and an aspect that basically makes impossible to avoid damages lol

[edgy nacelle]

omega specials may help, so you can keep your distance more...? remind me what boons you have in that trial tho idr

OH also don't forget your cast, I doubt you are but it's even more important when your hits don't stun enemies at all

[stray notch]

I can show you a run, I basically die in the first 30 seconds anyway xD

[edgy nacelle]

I also just remembered I can check lol, aha, zeus poseidon huh... scorch is easier but blitz is fine

[stray notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0pGSKbL_KA&t=3s

you have 30 HP, that's the issue

[edgy nacelle]

ok yes I think omega specials should help quite a bit! just messed around some
you also have the night arcana card so rotating in omega attacks is nice too

[stray notch]

I dont think you can pick anything for trials, the game does it for you

[edgy nacelle]

oh no I mean! I believe the game gives you that card for that trial

which incentivizes using your omega moves for sure

annoyingly no sorceress tho so slow channel speed

[edgy nacelle]

like uhhhh here, not trying to play optimally but trying to play safe: https://streamable.com/crlhcj
things I notice are that I tend to use omega specials to stay farther away from the enemies, and I dash pretty much whenever it's off cooldown for speed + i-frames, and since it doesn't interrupt the sprint
dealing with the boss is harder ofc, but you can focus pretty much entirely on dodging

[stray notch]

Done :3

It was the hardest till now for sure

[edgy nacelle]

oh hell yeah!! congrats
supay is weird, it's fun tho. kind of nice that it makes you focus on dodging in a different way

[brazen wasp]

sorry i fell asleep, i do not. still same place in run

[tight marten]

I love strenght

[stray notch]

Wow Hestia+Demeter on Hel Skull is broken 😮
Is there a better combo?

[glass bone]

I personally prefer Hestia Attack Hera Special, but as you mentioned Dem Special works very well

[brittle brook]

Can someone help me understand why i can’t get godsent hexes
Because rn im using the aspect of selene
With the ares keepsake
And vicious flourish
And yet at the end of my path of stars its only prism and cascade

[cerulean panther]

Any skulls you load before Specialing do not get the damage boost, so the first Attack in any given encounter won't be boosted unless you Special before you get going. During a fight you'll be charging often enough you should have the boost pretty much constantly.

And my go-to Hel build is Pos Attack and Ares Special.

The Omega Special you fire off to turn on Valkyrie Mode hits dummy hard, it gives you Origination, sets you up for Arterial Spray.

[surreal hazel]

Has selene mentioned them yet?

[brittle brook]

I haven’t really talked to her much honestly

[surreal hazel]

iirc Godsent Hexes won't appear until you've taken all of the hexes at least once

[brittle brook]

Wait really? Damn

[surreal hazel]

Then Selene will mention it

[surreal hazel]

Dashing also boosts the next skull, so you'll likely do that before anything has even spawned

[tight marten]

I feel like the most broken godsent hex is the apollo one

no shade to the others, but that laser is crazy

[surreal hazel]

Most hilarious potential, yes. But I personally think Hera's is better still

[cerulean panther]

Nuture of Hera is busted. Shine of Apollo is "only" top tier.

[tight marten]

what does that do again?

[cerulean panther]

Night Bloom summons can crit and attack even faster.

[surreal hazel]

Big extra crit chance, but combine it with Servitude and it just hangs around forever wrecking face

[cerulean panther]

But it's mostly the crit. It's a smaller speed boost compared to the Bright upgrade.

[surreal hazel]

slap on Rigor and lolololol

[tight marten]

ohhh yeah

[brittle brook]

I wish they TOLD you that in game
Cus rn i can see all the godsents in selene’s page of the book so i thought i could get them

[surreal hazel]

The fated list will tell you

[brittle brook]

Wait what?

[surreal hazel]

is there not a prophecy for taking all of the hexes?

[brittle brook]

Im just gonna check now

[surreal hazel]

Fun fact, you know those enemies that get summoned during bosses? They're actually dumb versions of enemies that only have their ranged attack and no other moves

so when you summon them with night bloom, you get an NPC that just stands there and starts blasting

(Okay, this isn't every enemy summoned by bosses, but still)

[brittle brook]

Yeah nothing on my fated list

[surreal hazel]

ah, hrm

I forget if the record keeper logs the hexes you choose

[tight marten]

strenght or DDs?

duality of man

[cerulean panther]

Mostly preference, DDs are a little stronger. Won't really matter until you get into super high Fear.

[surreal hazel]

Depends on weapon

[brittle brook]

I can check via the mage shade in the tavera if i scroll down enough

[surreal hazel]

+20% global is real nice on cast and olympian damage builds generally but it's kinda not much on weapon attack builds

since that +20% is additive to whatever else is going on

[brittle brook]

Okay so i have used

Dark side
Phase shift
Sky fall
Moon water
Night bloom
Lunar ray
Total eclipse
Wolf howl
(Now i havent won a run with all of these but i have chosen them atleast once)

[surreal hazel]

8/9

Twilight Curse

[brittle brook]

wait what one am I missing?
Oh gotcha

I guess i’ll use the selene keepsake to try and get that hex then

[steep galleon]

Olympian damage is stuff like blitz, waves, heartthrobs etc. Right?

[surreal hazel]

Basically all damage numbers that's written in that god's colour

so yes to all of those examples

there are exceptions (notably Hitch isn't olympian damage insofar as modifiers are concerned)

[wispy iron]

So, for Aphro and Ares, their bonus damage is considered Olympian ?

[surreal hazel]

Raw +% damage is not

Ares is an odd case where the damage caused by wounds is

But only the extra bit caused by the 50 bonus power

[brittle brook]

I finally got the prophecy now! “Gift of the moon” now complete

[wispy iron]

Ah, hitch as the standalone effect. Sorry, I thought about the special and attack hera boons, which boost dmg & hitch

[surreal hazel]

Ah no

[wispy iron]

Yeah so no part of those are olympians

[surreal hazel]

Hitch is only modified by the damage it's copying and hereditary bane. Nothing else (save some weird edge cases that really don't matter)

[surreal hazel]

Yeah hera is kinda bad for olympian damage, despite offering extended family

Dying wish and fine line do count though

[cinder palm]

Do people actually use circe for the leash dmg? I feel like it fell off so hard that I only uses circe for double cast builds

[surreal hazel]

to start with it's great, and it strips wards effectively

[wispy iron]

I feel like the double cast is the actual aspect and leash's a nice damage boost but the bonus part of the aspect

[surreal hazel]

it's a nice leg up while you're still getting your build online

[cinder palm]

Increasing leash dmg on upgrades is so I'd rather they increase cast dmg or smt

[surreal hazel]

that'd be insane

it's already double cast damage

[viral yew]

The aspect does not need to be more powerful

[surreal hazel]

fun fact though, Air Quality can boost the leash damage

it's something and nothing, but when you have a demeter casty build going with gales etc, you want AQ anyway

[viral yew]

Air quality just does it all

[cosmic steppe]

Another fun fact, getting heph legendary on Circe lends less power than any and all common core boons on any aspect in any slot

[surreal hazel]

yeah it's a real dud on that aspect

thanatos though....

[cinder palm]

Which is good cause zeus is such a niche and underrated god honestly

[wispy iron]

Do you feel like Apollo has a place in a AQ build ? Obv you want Demeter & Zeus, maybe some Pos, but is Apollo worth for Prominence Flare ?

[surreal hazel]

going from -40% attack time to -55% is bonkers good

[viral yew]

Obv, noone ever really uses him

[surreal hazel]

if you like a slightly meme build, then GLORIOUS DISASTER with air quality is loldamage, sometimes

[cosmic steppe]

I mean, their whole duo is balanced around you having aq on

[cinder palm]

How come morrigan goes from 777 to 999 with heph legend tho

[wispy iron]

What is glorious disaster again ?

[surreal hazel]

Prominence flare ticks 15 times

[cinder palm]

Shouldn't it bee 888?

[surreal hazel]

Most level 6 aspects are really more like rank 8

[surreal hazel]

Apollo and Zeus Duo

[wispy iron]

Oh, so the overcost cast for more thunderbolts, right ?

[surreal hazel]

yeah

[cinder palm]

Like it's both game now he doesn't miss

[surreal hazel]

they have a base damage of 20, so AQ with Glorious disaster adds 30x50 damage, 1500

[viral yew]

Down to my last 3 aspects and then i've done all aspects 32f

[surreal hazel]

with circe that does double up to 3000

[viral yew]

Good thing they're some of my least favourite aspects

[surreal hazel]

plus whatever the omega cast normally does

[wispy iron]

Since I'm asking beginner-tier question, when do you really want Blitz on attack special ? I feel like for fast weapons there's better choice like scorch or waves, and for slow, just any +%

[wispy iron]

Which ones ?

[surreal hazel]

Blitz is just HUGE damage

[cinder palm]

Glorious disaster takes like 5 business day to channel without winner's circle tho lol

[viral yew]

Mel axe, mel skulls, and momus

[surreal hazel]

and you want it on weapons that hit a lot of enemies, or don't do much, or are kinda passive like torch Ospecial

[wispy iron]

Momus slander detected >:(

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, it's bad, but when it comes together, it's hilarious

[viral yew]

I don't like playing momus fight me

[cinder palm]

Well it's dookie

[cosmic steppe]

I find it funny that, even disregarding the success rate, blood triad hammers are literally a flat 29% and a flat 33% DPS increases, like, why have both of them at all

[cerulean panther]

I know intellectually that Momus is still good, but 2 seconds is an eternity in Hades 2 and I don't like it.

[steep galleon]

I liked old Momus 😂

[cinder palm]

Right next to lim and oros in term of suck lol

[cosmic steppe]

And if you have premium service it's 22% vs 33%

[surreal hazel]

Rank 6 momus used to be 0.5 seconds between pulses,

[wispy iron]

I could, but I won't, because I'm a coward and would lose

[viral yew]

U wait 2 seconds and all enemies are gone from the omega radius

[surreal hazel]

now sadly 1 second

Also Exceptional Talent was a bit meh with momus last time I checked, dunno if they fixed that

[cerulean panther]

I think I only ever got rank 6 Momus once and it rivaled the first time I saw Crystal Clarity in H1.

[wispy iron]

Also, someone who's a fan of Shiva probably will hurt me in ways I cannot imagine ; for I cannot imagine liking Shiva

[surreal hazel]

have you tried just punching enemies?

[viral yew]

I will find you

[cosmic steppe]

You probably don't like colossals in fsw games

[surreal hazel]

like, basic attack combo is 40, 40, 70x2

that extra double punch on the combo is so bonkers

[wispy iron]

fsw ?

[viral yew]

Plus bouncy special and a base omega attack of 1200

[cosmic steppe]

It has a dash strike aspect specific hammer that just slaps

[cinder palm]

After 5 business days of getting all the stacks and channeling the omega punch ofc

[viral yew]

Goes up to nearly 3k with a golden pom aphro attack

[wispy iron]

I must admit that no, I tried to make the weird absorb combo work when I played it.
Picked it up once and got back to Selene's coat, my beloved

[surreal hazel]

just take nova strike and punch

[cerulean panther]

I wanted a hybrid of the initial Attacks bonus with the bouncing Omega Special.

[tall notch]

Nyx is the best coat not even a competition

[viral yew]

Die

[surreal hazel]

take reaper, siege and/or rapid frame

punch even more

[viral yew]

You can't try it once and then call it bad forever

[cosmic steppe]

Cool, use its gimmick on bosses then

[cerulean panther]

Because yeah, you can just spam your punches, but then you're only kinda interacting with the Aspect.

[cinder palm]

Well no, selene clears

[viral yew]

Selene is so mid

[obtuse schooner]

With Apollo/Hera's Sun wotship duo and selene's night bloom, can you resurrect two enemies to fight for you?

[cosmic steppe]

Selene my GOAT

[tall notch]

Have you tried getting nitro sprint?

[surreal hazel]

Sure

[wispy iron]

I did not call it bad.
I said I did not understand how people liked it.
Not as a place of slander, but of confusion.

[obtuse schooner]

Oohh now I have to try that combo out

[viral yew]

I like the big number and the bouncy circle

[cosmic steppe]

I meant that atk/sp splits mean jack on solo target

[surreal hazel]

they're completely separate summons, with the upgrades that apply to one not affecting the other

[wispy iron]

Also, since I found comfort in Selene's aspect, I just played what I liked, and that's it

[cinder palm]

Picking shiva and doing a hex build cause it just eats all my magick

[tall notch]

Yeah and almost every boss has significant amount of extra enemies, you want aoe damage

[cosmic steppe]

No I want bonk

[tall notch]

The only thing Selene clears is win streaks

[viral yew]

Like Shiva, that has very big aoe special

[obtuse schooner]

I am a big fan of selene's night bloom. That bailed me out against typhoon especially with upgrades. Seems kina useless against Chronus tho

[cosmic steppe]

Selene coat hex is a legitimate orbital laser from helldivers

[viral yew]

Selene is bad because base coat omegas are bad

[tall notch]

Uhhh did they make it bigger? I've played bounce Shiva and while the special is fun to use i wouldn't call it a big aoe

[cerulean panther]

"They hated her, for she spoke the truth."

[viral yew]

Oh i always play with apollo special

[viral yew]

Story of my time here

[cerulean panther]

Xinth's Omega Attack shield really is "Aspect of Artemis, but worse."

[obtuse schooner]

That is why I instantly get the Hex charge increases by 1 sec upgrade so I can use Selene on non-omega builds

[viral yew]

'Artemis, but if it did no extra damage and honked a clown nose at you'

[viral yew]

Ok but it should have that built in to the aspect, then it'd be good

[cinder palm]

The way artemis is actually way worse than all of coats too

[surreal hazel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1413988070784761967/200A0F1.JPG?ex=68e62442&is=68e4d2c2&hm=da362e23dab0682c813e490796183fa1f7420566ae9abfcc09a9a18df0a707e7&=&format=webp&width=1160&height=653

[tall notch]

When I did selene 50f i just ignored what the aspect does entirely, not sure if I clicked that hex even once
https://youtu.be/JSXe7hj3U7M

[surreal hazel]

Omega attack on coat be like

[obtuse schooner]

Yeah that would be a great buff for hexes

[wispy iron]

Counterpoint : Becoming a Stalin's Organ

[viral yew]

My favourite selene run, moros torches

[surreal hazel]

I kinda like missile salvos too

shimmering rockets is kinda busted good generally

[tall notch]

YouTube mobile app is bad okay, i was trying to copy the selene run

[viral yew]

Shimmering rockets makes blitz and hitch even better on coat

[cerulean panther]

Missile salvos are cool.

[wispy iron]

It must be said that since I'm playing 25f constantly, I don't play what's good, or meta. I play what's fun

[viral yew]

How dare you not min max and play in the most optimal way

[cerulean panther]

I miss the Sky Fall upgrade that applied any Olympian effects on your Attack to Sky Fall.

[surreal hazel]

Just deletes rooms

[wispy iron]

hitch on shimmering is actually goated

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, that and almost all similar hex upgrades got axed when godsents appeared

with the remaining ones existing on Dark Side

[tall notch]

Hitch is actually goated in general, best curse and it comes with good % scaling on the boons

[cerulean panther]

Cool, now I can't use Sky Fall to proc Origination anymore, because Shine doesn't count.

[cinder palm]

Ngl I kinda dislike most godsent stuff cause they're just kinda lame

[wispy iron]

I feel like Godsend are mostly... mid ?
Or am I not seeing something ?

[viral yew]

I mostly go for elephant rockets and the extra special explosion hammers that are specific to Shiva but otherwise it's launcher frame and shimmering rockets all day all night

[cinder palm]

Such a downgrade from call boons

[surreal hazel]

Depends on which ones

Lance of Ares is kinda something that definitely exists, but others.... wooooah

[cerulean panther]

Godsents can be really strong, but they usually require at least a minimum investment in a Hex.

[tall notch]

Godsents are fire

[cinder palm]

Like who's picking wolf howl heph

[surreal hazel]

Hestia just clears a room wave, easy, Hera just beats up everyone, Apollo deletes a boss phase for free

[wispy iron]

I must say I prefer hexes, just because they have more variations rather than a simple call tied to a god and that's it

[tall notch]

If you haven't tried Hestia godsent vs rivals Sirens then you're missing out

[surreal hazel]

People who know that that blast is huge and is affected by all blast boons except chain reaction

[viral yew]

Another reason selene is bad, the godsent hex is ares

[wispy iron]

Wolf Howl + Heph Rush is goated in my opinion

[surreal hazel]

Temper of Zeus is incredibly powerful

[cinder palm]

You only get to use that twice in a fight at most tho it's so lame

[surreal hazel]

Athena would like a word

[cerulean panther]

So it's either DDs or get lucky with Task Force.

[cinder palm]

Right bonus godsent over +1 dd or divine dash/mental block

[surreal hazel]

Divine dash isn't even that good in H2

[cerulean panther]

With roughly equivalent investment in Calls you get Smoldering Air and Zeus or Dio Calls.

[surreal hazel]

I genuinely think it's bait

[viral yew]

Not even close

I always take the special or the cast

[cinder palm]

It feels pretty good on supay tho

[cerulean panther]

I mostly agree with that.

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, but it only reflects when you're invunerable anyway, so eh?

[cerulean panther]

I think it's better than anything that carries a Phalanx Shot (it's still so slow).

[surreal hazel]

no merciful end combos here

[wispy iron]

Depending on the godsend, it's genuinely better than a single DD

[cerulean panther]

It gives you some safety on Dash-Strikes, same as it did in H1.

[surreal hazel]

The slowness is a good thing for the actual blocking part

[wispy iron]

The message I answered to got lost

Ergh, third pom run in a row, third life tax

[surreal hazel]

Squall of demeter gets amped by AQ, because you needed another reason to have that with demeter builds

[wispy iron]

Brb gonna ask grampa to imprison those ungrateful dookies

[cinder palm]

Btw does pom gives all hades boons? I don't think I've seen deep dissent once

[surreal hazel]

it can give that

[viral yew]

I've had deep dissent loads

[surreal hazel]

and yes it can affect Typhon, because lol

[wispy iron]

I got deep dissent on the surface so -50% Typhon reinforcements. like, great

[viral yew]

Makes the eggs real easy

[wispy iron]

Eggs aren't really an issue imo

[cinder palm]

Huge for rivals scylla surely

[surreal hazel]

errr

[surreal hazel]

Deep Dissent applies to the final boss only

[wispy iron]

Just ignore them if you can't match the dps check and let typhon kill the mobs with his tongue laser attack

[surreal hazel]

even if you get it at the start of a run

[cinder palm]

Yeah I'm joking lol, still tho I'd feel pretty bad if I got that at the start where it's basically useless 90% of the trip lol

[surreal hazel]

ah okay

[viral yew]

I can always kill them fine it's not a problem i just get really annoyed when the egg is at 0.1 health and cracks open

[surreal hazel]

nah, it's find you can just keep that in your back pocket

I let eggs crack open (When I have night bloom)

[wispy iron]

Honestly I'd say that deep dissent and life tax are pretty bad at the start, but I feel like the Hades boon is just a bonus and the true effect of the pom is the consistent +3 levels

[acoustic sandal]

The add that hurls the little exploding eyes feels so good with night bloom

[cinder palm]

Also I did a hel ares run and damn they capped plasma at 100% that's so lame

[surreal hazel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1417590660168417382/207C761.JPG?ex=68e6106e&is=68e4beee&hm=07d271a44c386abcbf9e3a0cba5a3a194d9a0f07e254b60d4ecc6903aed725cf&=&format=webp&width=1160&height=653

Sending in the boys to do the dirty work

[cinder palm]

The fact it stays the whole run too

[surreal hazel]

the yargonaut only has its pistol shot attack here, so it just stands there and blasts away

[wispy iron]

Typhon after the Yargonaut points his gun at him : 👁️ 👁️ 👁️ 👄 👀 👀

[surreal hazel]

okay, nice

actually made me snicker

[cinder palm]

Damn unironic onion user or are you also leveling it up like I am

[surreal hazel]

(The word that starts with sn and rhymes with digger gets caught by the language filter, derp)

[unreal shore]

Is there a build for pan + trick knives

[surreal hazel]

Strength user and REALLY needed a heal after prom beat me up

[plain fossil]

Well, some of the hades boons are extremely good, better than +3 to all levels

[viral yew]

Ok they're not that good

[plain fossil]

I dont really enjoy playing woth pom

Because of the massive rng

[cinder palm]

I love visual clutter
https://imgur.com/a/xnnRqgJ

[surreal hazel]

Life Tax early has saved me against a first shop Zagreus

[acoustic sandal]

I swear prom is either a joke or just takes like two thirds of your health in the one fight

[viral yew]

You don't need rng when everything does massive damge

[plain fossil]

I'll do it, because i need to do it for high fear, but i don't really enjoy that it's the meta

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, you get some boons from some gods and then win, Honestly anything works because it's so strong

[plain fossil]

Sure u do lul, pom is super good both because of the levels and because sometimes it gives u gigaros dash or howling soul and u get +1 minute to ur erebus timer

[surreal hazel]

but like, Zeus is good, Do more Zeus

[wispy iron]

I enjoy it with Persephone's Ravaal, but for any other weapon I prefer having my rolls and my god-defining keepsake

[cinder palm]

Get the time slow tho cause you WILL get hit

[surreal hazel]

?

[acoustic sandal]

Eternity

[surreal hazel]

talking about trick knives pan, who doesn't use omegas

you just spam trick knives

[wispy iron]

you don't use ospecial on pans ?

[cinder palm]

Oh lol thought it was regular pan

[surreal hazel]

not with that hammer, just use the cast for extra ping-pong

[viral yew]

I love my pom too much to care about builds I go with the flow, I will reset once or twice if I really want smth but almost all of the time i get the gods I aim for

[wispy iron]

Ah, figures, I'm a ride or die one, so no reset, hence the need to control the run

[cinder palm]

I still haven't gotten the mythical triple blast heph build with pom on supay 😔

[wispy iron]

Speaking of Heph, does Apollo's Extra Attack retrigger the blast if it doubles the blast provoking attack ?

[cinder palm]

No

You gotta get hestia heph duo boon if you want double blast

[wispy iron]

Logical but didn't hurt to ask

[viral yew]

90% of the time u can get away with it but sometimes u really need a specific god, i've only rerolled the seed for charon and pan out of all my 32 clears

[plain fossil]

Im not sure if any relevant proc effects work off extra dose actually

Blitz and poseidon have icds

Heph doesnt work

[cinder palm]

Wished extra dose would have the s at the end of attack tho for a chance of a triple omega attack with his legendary

[plain fossil]

A lot of other proc effects like debuff procs dont stack

[wispy iron]

Now that we're speaking of pom, I may play pom with Meli's torches, bcz even Ares is somewhat fine with plasma on wounds

[plain fossil]

Does hestia attack work with extra dose? I think so but i never tested

[surreal hazel]

Hestia

that works just fine

also posideon ICD isn't global

[unkempt sleet]

my goated boated posting beginners guides + fear guide lets gooo

[surreal hazel]

it's a projectile thing

and it's full of little exceptions

[cinder palm]

So is it for pan specifically or

[surreal hazel]

like, how anubis attack has a special exception where it's allowed to spawn up to 3 waves with each pulse

[wispy iron]

Poseidon's too chill to abide by rules

[surreal hazel]

torches too

[plain fossil]

I didnt know that, that's neat

Does anubis attack work properly with extra dose? That ability is a lil weird in general

[surreal hazel]

Not tested

It's better than the old Lunar Ray Disintegration with wave strike interaction

[wispy iron]

Do you know of a fun build for the axe ? I generally kinda hate it because of how slow it is and it feels clunky to me, but it's the only weapon I don't feel like using at all.
Tried Nergal multiple runs, it's good but visually unpleasant due to the extremely repetitive pattern and won with the others but none did click

[surreal hazel]

your lunar ray procs wave strike!..... Exactly once per use!

[plain fossil]

U can just play charon axe if u want

Its axe for ppl that hate axe

[surreal hazel]

Than genuinely attacks faster than other weapons

Get rapid hack and heph legendary