h2-builds-and-combat

[surreal hazel]

Hilariously strong

[hazy thistle]

i tried a romantic spark build where you dropped the attack then just ran around and it was fun but nothing crazy

chain lighting however is broken

[rough patio]

is it me or do encounters have more enemies in this game than the previous one?

[surreal hazel]

Blitz loves being spread around

[hazy thistle]

blitz is also just solid

[eager meteor]

honestly whenever i run anubis i get chain lightning anyway

[surreal hazel]

Anubis works with anything not called Flutter strike

[bitter osprey]

I just finished a run with sun worshipper doing 180K damage in the summit alone

[surreal hazel]

unless you get island getaway later on I guess

[eager meteor]

i always end with nearing 500 magick so 50 primed is heat

[viral yew]

Zeus has gotta be the best god overall

Or at least top 3

[hazy thistle]

he used to be #1 undisputed but now he’s just pretty good

[turbid parrot]

he has one of 2(3) ranged casts so hes my favorite for sure

[hazy thistle]

the only issue with him is that he has no defense/support boons it’s damage and more damage

[eager meteor]

honestly thats what i was talkin about with eos island getaway
i might think it was so good cuz my flutter flourish ended up like lvl 15 but i mean i was doing 700 damage consistently on non crits

[viral yew]

He's definitely my favourite, i've taken static shock for 103/314 runs

[surreal hazel]

raw firepower feels nice, but I still think the flutter boons are a weak choice much of the time

they don't scale nice

[eager meteor]

zorophet in general for me is a lot of fun bc i liked ||arthur|| in hades 1 and with thanatos and ares u can attack like really fast

[hazy thistle]

static shock is great but gets really awkward at high fear unless you don’t care about magic at all

master conductor is also a great duo boon

[surreal hazel]

great at stripping wards

[viral yew]

I only play up to 32 atm, i've done one 40 but that's it

[hazy thistle]

as long as you don’t have hubris on ur chillin

and it is great for wards it’s just static shock + hubris nukes your magic pool

[surreal hazel]

Traces of Spirit from Medea basically turns off Hubris

[viral yew]

Oh I always have hubris on, but I make it work

[eager meteor]

i dont run fear often whats hubris do again

[hazy thistle]

true but what if you play underworld or don’t hit it

[surreal hazel]

Every boon taken with rarity primes 3/6 mana per rarity level

[viral yew]

Primes mana based on the rarity of boons you take

[hazy thistle]

remember when it was 5/10 😭

so easy to go to 0 magic

[eager meteor]

that sounds kinda awful

[surreal hazel]

duos/legendaries count as rank 5 iirc

[surreal hazel]

it's a non-problem until it is

[viral yew]

It's worse than it sounds

[surreal hazel]

and the one thing that keeps Born Gain in check much of the time

[viral yew]

You just gotta be careful around omega builds

[eager meteor]

yeah its kinda how i feel about born gain is it controversial to say im not a big born gain fan

[hazy thistle]

if your build doesn’t use magic it’s free fear 99% of the time but if it does you need to be really careful

[eager meteor]

like it feels like itll eventually reach a critical mass where i just have no magick and its scary

[surreal hazel]

Born Gain was stupid good in early EA

lol 10 primed mana when common

[eager meteor]

ooooo yeah

[surreal hazel]

10/8/6/4

[rapid bolt]

Hubris is scary because I'm married to Charon

[hazy thistle]

and heroic now is 12 😭

[eager meteor]

i remember when frosty veneer was awesome

duck smoking cigarette gif

[surreal hazel]

could take two pom levels to subtract 2 and then 1

[hazy thistle]

it made afk chronos possible

[surreal hazel]

heroic level 3 born gain primed one mana

one

[viral yew]

Those were the days

[eager meteor]

although it did used to use earth rather than water and it made it awkward to run with demeter in general

[surreal hazel]

this was also when all other gains were terrible

[eager meteor]

true idk im a big grisly gain fan

[rapid bolt]

If we're reminiscing, can we pour one out for my deceased wife fire extinguisher?

[viral yew]

Glamour gain user for life

[hazy thistle]

i kinda dislike the new lucid gain

[surreal hazel]

It still lives, it was literally retooled into Freezerburn

[eager meteor]

kinda the speed thanatos build i was talking about earlier like sanguinary savor and rapid hack with max rank than is awesome

perhaps a bit of hermes

[rapid bolt]

It's just not the same

[surreal hazel]

(man, old freezer burn was so bad)

[rapid bolt]

Still fun tho

[eager meteor]

i remember that name but not what it did

[surreal hazel]

Detonated your scorch into one lump if you stacked it beyond 300, but with a slight damage penalty depending on rarity

[eager meteor]

oh my...

idk hestia i think is my lowest used olympian

[surreal hazel]

like how freezerburn does it, but on a different trigger and much less damage

[viral yew]

I remember when you could stack scorch higher than 999

[surreal hazel]

it was a patch over how bad scorch was back then

[eager meteor]

ive tried a run with her and anubis but like anything goes good with anubis besides aphrodite like u said b4

[rapid bolt]

Hestia might be my favorite still

[surreal hazel]

and back then, Pyro Technique was her Legendary

[surreal hazel]

Nah, hestia works with more than you think

[eager meteor]

shocking loss is kinda impractical imo but its still really funny

[surreal hazel]

Take success rate and come back and say that

[eager meteor]

im sure it does but im married to zorophet and from my experience hestia is kinda just okay

[surreal hazel]

No really, try it with thanatos

Also Flash Fry is amazing on every build

[eager meteor]

oh no 100% but for me i dont often have trouble with anything besides bosses and it obviously doesnt work on bosses

maybe the reason i dont have trouble with regular encounters is because of shocking loss tho...

[surreal hazel]

Zap.

[eager meteor]

scorch does stack yeah thats true

hmmm... putting this one in the memory vault for when i get home...

[surreal hazel]

than is aoe, you have everyone on fire and the damage all applies

or axe special hits three times and stacks loads of scorch

3x20 base damage, but oops, 210 scorch

[rough patio]

What is hephaestus useful for? like when do you actually want him?

what do you do with him

[eager meteor]

i forget what the boon is called but the heph apollo duo boon theoretically could be ridiculous on anubis but i just dont know how yet...

[viral yew]

Really good defensive boons

[surreal hazel]

Two roles, one is when you have high pom evels because blastr builds lke that, but also blasts on a button you don't use much like axe special is GREAT

[eager meteor]

idk 500 damage every little bit is funny

[narrow bramble]

is there still an internal buffer on poseidon daggers?

[surreal hazel]

the second is that trust shield and security system are great

[surreal hazel]

yes, but shorter

[viral yew]

Or if you need someone to fix your daddy issues

[eager meteor]

one day i'll beat the game wearing a dress from arachne with the help of heph

[narrow bramble]

short enough to where pan poseidon is back?

[surreal hazel]

it's back-ish

[narrow bramble]

ooo will check it out thx!

[rapid bolt]

Heph on medea special is fun I think

[surreal hazel]

Silken Sash is right there

[eager meteor]

yeah thats true

[surreal hazel]

Heph on persephone to roll a bunch of levels is the good stuff

[rapid bolt]

Oh yeah that too

[rough patio]

I basically always take trusty shield but i didnt know security system was good, i guess 7 seconds is longer than i think

[eager meteor]

i forget about most keepsakes that arent evil eye or knuckle bones or the olympian keepsakes

[rough patio]

whats blastr build

[surreal hazel]

seven seconds of yolo

[eager meteor]

knuckle bones is still kinda crazy as a keepsake like 15% ho just gone from a boss is crazy to me

[surreal hazel]

blaster builds try to get volcanic strike/flourish to have as high level as possible, to get the recharge down

[rough patio]

i see

[eager meteor]

that and hydraulic might or wtv its called could be cool

[surreal hazel]

and then use grand caldera to embiggen it, and then Chain Reaction, Rude Awakening, Love Handles or Cryo Pounder

[rough patio]

what does aspect of morrigan usually do?

[surreal hazel]

plus any olympian damage bonuses, since heph blasts are all olympian, so rallying cry is lol

[rough patio]

does any boon increase the blood triad damage by percentage?

[viral yew]

A lot of mcfu*kin damage

[surreal hazel]

nothing increases that except one hammer

[viral yew]

Nope, blood triad will always be 777/999

[surreal hazel]

can't even crit

[rough patio]

is it still good by the end of a run then?

[surreal hazel]

oh hell yeah, 777 is usually overkill, but don't feel compelled to play for triads all of the time

[eager meteor]

hidden aspect of torches' waking phrase is from hecate right

[surreal hazel]

basic attack with Final Slice is a free run

[surreal hazel]

Do you see an aspect of hecate from the torches? I don't

[viral yew]

Mog overall is a free run

[surreal hazel]

I do see an aspect of Moros though, maybe talk to him

[viral yew]

Easiest 32 fear runs of my life

[eager meteor]

never would've thought moros tbh but now that you mention it it does make sense

it never clicked before that the waking phrases are all given by ppl who have aspects

[surreal hazel]

every weapon has an aspect of "NPC you can talk to"

[eager meteor]

its the same in hades one omg how has this like never occurred to me b4

i think

[surreal hazel]

no it isn't

[eager meteor]

no its not yeah

arthur is from nyx yeah

[surreal hazel]

Malphon has an aspect of demeter, but it's Asterius who tells you the waking phrase

[narrow bramble]

very much struggling with 16f on black coat, any suggestions on build and weapon? (i’m pretty bad at rivals so i’ve only been taking 2 levels of rivals because i am god awful at prometheus)

[surreal hazel]

Nyx and FLAMES

[eager meteor]

this isn't helpful at all but i run apollo on attack and i think reaper frame to make a really big punch

[narrow bramble]

scorch + freezer burn or scaling vapor or just like straight or scorch

[surreal hazel]

nah that's helpful because big punch is punchbig

[eager meteor]

good point

[surreal hazel]

See what you can come up with, keep your build flexible

[narrow bramble]

actually i should try a big one punch man build ive mostly done spam attacks

lemme try that

[rough patio]

what makes it do 999?

[surreal hazel]

so weird fact for you

[narrow bramble]

hammer

[viral yew]

Hammer

[surreal hazel]

Nova strike makes big weapons 20% bigger, small weapons 40% bigger.... but for some reason it makes the coat's punches 75% bigger

[signal coral]

I've been mostly playing Selene but I dont really like coat that much

[surreal hazel]

Also rank six with heph's legendary

[narrow bramble]

LOL OH

[eager meteor]

i like aspect of selene

[viral yew]

Nyx better

[signal coral]

Im a good enough player that 16 fear is pretty free but I do find that on higher fear I struggle the most with coat because it feels unsafe

[narrow bramble]

i think my favs rn are anubis and thana and moros but def struggling with other weapons lol

[surreal hazel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218621088049659930/1413988070784761967/200A0F1.JPG?ex=68dce9c2&is=68db9842&hm=f4fdc680514fbe06bfab2db869a447a08b71210dcbee0e41b0cb72ce4bcd311b&

[rough patio]

which weapons is that legendary good on?

[eager meteor]

so in theory it could be what like 1221

[narrow bramble]

Yeah…. lemme go test this out will report results

[silver valve]

I can’t get the torches down whos good on attack and special

[viral yew]

Which aspect?

[eager meteor]

never take my advice but also... wink wink nudge eos and island getaway...

[surreal hazel]

A few, Momus, Thanatos, Moros, Medea, Persephone (oddly), mel staff

[signal coral]

I've been doing selene coat with hera

Hitch rockets + fine line helps with room clear and builds hex fast, and i use hex for boss damage

[silver valve]

Momus

[narrow bramble]

i straight up just go freezer burn on the torches lol

[signal coral]

It basically let's me play coat as more of a ranged weapon so I dont die to my own skill issue

[surreal hazel]

Seige frame lets you play a ranged coat too

[eager meteor]

i take apollo strike and my favorite boon on special

[rough patio]

is morrigan good on max fear since you get the nice flat damage on your aspect regardless of build or is it like h1 where ranged aspects are way better on the highest heat levels?

[surreal hazel]

it's actually a huge buff to range (It's long knuckle from H1 if you recall that)

[signal coral]

I do think that having builds that dont rely on hammers is nice though

[surreal hazel]

it's nice to be adaptable

[eager meteor]

no definitely but like... consider that 500 damage is kinda funny...

[surreal hazel]

Anubis isn't heavily hammer reliant, nor are the torches tbh

[sterile stag]

Anyone got any good attack and special boon ideas for medea aspect skull

[eager meteor]

oh wait u mean daedelus

[narrow bramble]

anubis is p good off rip with a strong boon doesn’t need much in the way of hammers

[surreal hazel]

heaven Flourish and whatever strike you want

load a shot, press special, blitz applied and procced at once

[bronze flax]

That's a freaking meteor

[surreal hazel]

I had reaper frame too there, iirc

so it was bigbig muchbig verypunch

So big Polyphemus was taking damage from that room

[fossil yoke]

Is spirnting and spamming dash faster than just sprinting?

[surreal hazel]

Just run, unless you have a curse that slows down your run

[fossil yoke]

Ty, I've been wondering bout this for so long but never confirmed 😄

[spiral wadi]

it gets a lil tiring spamming dash (just to travel long distances) so i just hold sprint, especially if i have apollo and/or hermes sprint boons

[signal coral]

The aspect is op so literally anything (not heph)

Most people go zeus special because zeus is broken and works well with the aspect, but its strong enough that you can take most boons and be fine

[spiral wadi]

heph is actually kinda funny on medea, requires more investment tho

[sage flame]

yeah heph medea had some time in speeduns too lmao still not the most optimal but it definitely works still

[zinc hill]

echo is on my hate list lol been 10+ runs and she still wont give me survive survive survive

[spiral wadi]

if u think about it playing strength will let u not play dds and just hyperinvest in hp (like 100 hp becomes 166 effectively)

actually idk what the %s are at rank 1 and 2

[sterile stag]

Right thanks guys

Follow up question

Can someone sell me on poseidon boons? I feel like im missing something with the way they calculate damage because it feels like 30 damage on an attack is not as good as an 80% damage increase in a bigger area, but maybe my maths is wrong

[viral yew]

It's really good on the fast hitting weapaons

[spiral wadi]

poseidon boons are primarily focused for multi hit attacks like mel blades or coat special

[zinc hill]

depends on the weapon

[rapid bolt]

Also his support boons are just generally good

His gain can be nice on slow weapons too

[sterile stag]

His support boons are good that is true

[spiral wadi]

froth is also a nice support, it'll almost never get to like crazy dps levels but it's a nice effect that leads into strong duos like killer current (stronger lightning effects on frothed enemies)

[zinc hill]

gotta proc that origination

[spiral wadi]

fr

[sterile stag]

So getting that froth effect with zeus is worthwhile with medea?

[rapid bolt]

Freezer burn proc origination?

[spiral wadi]

ig u are multihitting a lot so u can try it, medea's just uber busted on everything

i actually have no idea if freezer is affected by multipliers, i think it does?

[sterile stag]

Lightning deals more damage to froth afflicted foed

If i get the cast, use it

Then hit with my medea combo

[spiral wadi]

ye

[sterile stag]

Froth + duo boon + cast bonus damage from arcana = big numbers

I hope lmao

[spiral wadi]

surely

buildmaking is really fun in this game

[sterile stag]

Yeah i never actually did it in the first game because i never used the olympian keepsakes but now that i am I'm like damn dude this is kinda busted

[spare breach]

Not sure if im remembering right but Ares godsent used to be weird with aspect of selene, you needed to get ares boon before getting the hex.. did they ever end up fixing it?

[spiral wadi]

u just have to have the ares keepsake on u and it'll give u the godsent

like if u have a hex and u happen to have that god keepsake without having their boon u still get the godsent anyway

[spare breach]

so u start with ares keepsake and not selene?

[spiral wadi]

ye

it's weird i know but it's how it is

[spare breach]

yeah thanks

[spiral wadi]

np

[surreal hazel]

how it was

[surreal hazel]

It's fixed, if you have a hex and later on get the matching god for it, the godsent upgrade gets added to the path of stars

[rugged moon]

I thought it qas fixed so you didnt meed ares keepsake at start

[sterile stag]

Is the hestia attack boon good for medea skull? I'm getting far in the run and running out of options

[spiral wadi]

i think it should stack decently

[supple lintel]

hestia attack on medea is pretty solid, gives you a good burst of scorch

[surreal hazel]

Not ideal though

You generally only stack one skull per special

[maiden frost]

question

does food count as a rare resource

[surreal hazel]

no

[robust flax]

If you have Zeus special any attack that can proc Origination is good tbh

[surreal hazel]

Food is a healing item

[maiden frost]

thanks

[sterile stag]

I got apollo attack

And i got the duo boon for pos and zeus

Final boss time with one death defiance wish me luck

Daaamn didn't do it, but got pretty close! Think if i hadnt burned so many early on id have done it

[surreal hazel]

you need to learn the boss patterns and what you can get away with before you'll do it

[split quest]

Can anyone recommend a good build for the Staff? I just unlocked Aspects and got Aspect of Melinöe V on the Staff because I could and figured I would give it a try.

[sterile stag]

I've beat him before, just got a bit cocky with the skull lmao and wasted 2 death defiances on the first boss because i forgot i had the rivals thing active

[sterile stag]

Also would like to know this - i think the momus one might be good?

The melinoe one is broken if you get the right hammer upgrade for the special to fire 2 shots

[supple lintel]

mel staff + a good damage % boon on the special is fat damage

for momus cycling omegas with your attack, special and cast at the same time with night can be fun

also the heph legendary puts the refire cooldown to 1 second

[sterile stag]

Oh damn

What boons are good for black coat? Using melinoe aspect because havent unlocked the others and im thinking hestia or poseidon for attack? And then the other one special? But i have no idea, im kinda bad at using it properly

[supple lintel]

circe is pretty good with most omega and regular casts, though depending on what familiar you pick your casts can stack or spread out more

[supple lintel]

coat special is a bit weird to aim, i usually just use the omega if i use it at all

poseidon attack is pretty fun, ares duo is nice with it

apollo attack can also be good if you want to go for big omega punch build, there are a few hammers that go well for it

[compact magnet]

Question! What's y'all's favorite Moon Hex, and why?
I'm a return player from pre-Olympus EA (decided to wait for full release), and I'm finding I'm really partial to Lunar Ray. I enjoy how rapidly it recharges, so I can treat it like a more frequent, natural extension of my moveset no matter what particular build I'm running, and it also synergizes really well with Path of Stars upgrades that increase damage per-encounter per-activation

[eternal trail]

just started playing the game, what build is the easiest to use? preferably long range

[compact magnet]

Welcome!

It's a bit hard to always get exactly the right build you want sometimes. I think your best bet would be to focus a bit less on targeting specific builds, and more on trying to take time to learn enemy attack patterns. Weapon-wise you can stick to whatever one best suits your playstyle.

[manic shuttle]

twilight curse & night bloom

[eternal trail]

i know, just want to know what are the establish builds

[compact magnet]

Also to that end, Apollo and Hermes have some boons to do with dodge chance, that might help you get more time with enemies to learn their moves.

Idk about builds in particular to shoot for, but I could broadly recommend the Staff weapon you start with; it's fairly simple to use and has good ranged applications between its Special, Omega Special, and Omega Attack.

[last cape]

Mel staff builds are pretty easy to play and understand, and have the benefit of being easy to level up, and very safe

[eternal trail]

what boons i should look at?

like to play it safe

[compact magnet]

Apollo's main standard upgrades have to do with increasing your attacks' area of effect (bigger swings on melee, bigger blasts on "explosive"-type hits). That can help your more distant playstyle, alongside his Daze status making enemies have a chance to miss you

[last cape]

for specials, there's a few different ways you can go. Aphro lets you nuke things, and if you get dual moonshot you're playing inside her range anyways. Otherwise, Apollo makes your omega specials really big and you can fish for his legendary to really scale the build. Hera's always a safe bet as well

[pine oxide]

i love the eclipse one that does a million damage. feels can be a one stop damage solution for bosses if you get the double strike epic boon. laser i only really like when you get the perk that makes it so you dont have to stand still and laser lol.

[eternal trail]

thanks

[rain wagon]

You kinda need to balance your offense and defense to consistently win. That said, the game is designed such that you will die multiple times before clearing the game, just have fun, you'll clear it eventually, it's honestly better to experiment and fail than look up the best builds. The story & dialogue takes multiple runs to go through.

[eternal trail]

i get the concept, just want to know which build to go with

[compact magnet]

Yeah, though you can let the laser end early if you need to get out of the way of something. It can feel a bit bad at first, but I've kinda taught myself to treat each individual laser use as more disposable; I get it recharged so fast, it's not a big deal to "waste" one

[pine oxide]

also anyone else struggling with the sister blades? damage seems so low compared to other weapons, and special only seems viable on one aspect. i also presume backstab damage doesnt work on ||typhon||?

[compact magnet]

I think I get backstab damage on the special's return to me, but otherwise yeah I don't think so?

The sister blades are one of my more preferred weapons, tbh! I think the trick is to lean into the Attack sequence's rapid strikes with things that proc on-hit in particular. Things like building Scorch stacks or Zeus' Chain Lightning, for example.

[oblique vale]

i'm not too experienced, though i found a lot of joy using || ares || boons for the attack. building jojo equivalent attack speed from hammers, hermes, and the plasma buff. for the special, i had a nice run building around the aphrodite and posidon duo boon so each missile dealt great dmg from any range

[glass bone]

Only the Special works. Blades is a very hammer reliant weapon imo, but unlike Axe, all blades can rely on a few hammers; Trick and Reaper Knives for all Non-Hidden Aspects, Wicked Onslaught for Mel and Artemis, possibly Hidden Knives for Pan, and Banshee Brand or Final Slice for Hidden Blades.

Also, in my experience, you’ll want to avoid the Final combo for the non-hidden aspect blades, unless you are using Final Slice, and/or are certain you won’t get hit. You can cancel this attack either with Special, or Dash best.

ATM, I’ve done 62 Fear with both Mel and Artemis Blades, 56 with Pan, and am now working on a 62 for Hidden Blades. (I do have videos of all 3 Non-Hidden Blades, but do note that they spoil all of the Underworld Rival Fights, and show all keepsakes).

The Blades aren’t the worst weapon, but I don’t think they are the strongest (save for Hidden Aspect, which is like an S Tier weapon).

[compact magnet]

I gotta say, the Torches got an incredible glow-up from when I played in Early Access

They were by far my least favorite weapon, and not remotely fun to use in my opinion. Felt like I was waving silly string in wild directions more than attacking

[glass bone]

Old Torches mainly used a whole bunch of Magick for Fine Line or Ocean Swell combos, and though they can still do that, I think the identity of each torch now is in a good spot for like… 50 fear and below. Mel Torches and Hidden Torch get a bit dicey in UW perhaps, but they are pretty great now I agree.

[drowsy mist]

I just killed typhon with probably my most broken build ever
Literally shreded through him him in less than a minute
https://imgur.com/a/RtOhfMQ

spoiler ||Its also the perma kill story one||

[pine oxide]

cheers for the detailed response! i seeee. ill check out once ive unlocked some more of the keepsakes cause i still have a few to go. are you trying to get behind people and shotgun them with the omega special? the main use ive get out of it is using to proc the blacksmith guy deal 500 then refresh after 10 sec deal lol. perhaps you just have to play a lot closer which is giving me trouble, most other weapons seem to offer more reliable options at range
excluding the aspect that makes the special easier to hti

[glass bone]

Depends on the aspect.
Mel Blades is a lot of Attack and Special cancelling. Difference for Attack from EA 11 to 1.0;
Patch 11: 20, 20, 10x5, 80
1.0: 25, 25, 15x5, 90
This is the Regular Blade Attack combo, so if you hit all backstabs, I think with just that alone the full combo is like 400 damage or so. But because that final hit can be unsafe, often times you can replace it with a Special
For Artemis, the strategy is really weird. In a vacuum, the best damage you can do is Block / Riposte -> OAttack -> Special 7 times -> OSpecial

The explanation for Artemis is that the OAttack will almost always occur, so to not waste a charge you use it immediately. Next, Special has 2 chances to crit per fire, because the sending and returning hit have the crit chance property. Finally, All OSpecial blades can crit no matter the number of charges left, but each blade takes up 1 charge. So in an ideal world, at 1 crit charge, you OSpecial for all of those Blades to potentially crit.

[ornate finch]

How to build the Aspect of Charon Axe? Trying to take down Typhon with it

[glass bone]

https://mobalytics.gg/hades-2/builds/dystopianteddybear-aspect-of-charon

TLDR; Take Lucid Gain (ideally), Tranquil Gain, or Flood Gain; a Special boon (Hera or Apollo), and Cast boon (Hera, Apollo, or Poseidon). Then go for Giga and Sudden Cleaver, and you are mostly set.

Oh also, this isn’t just a selfish advertisement for me; I am a community supporter of Hades 2’s Mobalytics page, because somehow we got one. There’s plenty of other players making guides.

Right now, there’s a boss guide for all UW bosses, a guide to each of the Noctural Arms and Gods, and a few tier lists (though not all aren’t fully updated from 11 to 1.0, however small the changes were).

[pine oxide]

legend, appreciate theadvice once again, ill try to implement when i jump on the game tomorrow ❤️

[glass bone]

Always happy to help, but others around here can also provide fantastic advice.

[quartz plaza]

Is there a brokenly good build for Mel Axe?

[elfin forge]

I don't think you can really get broken with it, without hammers like psychic whirlwind or dashing heave

[quartz plaza]

I've mostly been doing Aphro attack+Apollo dash, really liking Demeter cast, and then either one of heph or poseidon

[drowsy fjord]

Aphrodite and Ares work well together with the axe

A build that benefits from getting hit works well with the axe

Prioritize HP-ups

Bring Frinos with you

[glass bone]

The best build I think is a big Percent on Attack. Also I feel like Dashing Heave is the key hammer to go for if you get it and Psychic Whirlwind, because Mel Axe doesn’t buff the OAttack

Well, hmm…. A lot of runs still have Psychic Whirlwind, so I guess try to go for both as others said

And be sure to pick up that big Percent attack noon

[elfin forge]

chat do blasts get affected by global% buffs

[glass bone]

I believe so Yes.

[nimble hamlet]

does Mirrored Ankh deal doubledamage to enemies like Typhon? (big enough to fit in both areas?)

or is it more of a "it expands the area"?

[elfin forge]

mirrored thresher?

[nimble hamlet]

hidden aspect hammer

[elfin forge]

oh mirrored ankh

[nimble hamlet]

yes

[elfin forge]

yeah it should deal more ticks, they're counted separately I'm pretty sure

[nimble hamlet]

I'm kind of torn between it and vampiric / scarab etchings

pretty sure vampiric cataclysm on Anubis just means you don't die

which is something I really quite like, actually

[elfin forge]

well your attack will get a lot of kills, so those don't heal you

[nimble hamlet]

most kills come from O-attacks, no?

and it's 5 heal per kill

[elfin forge]

I'll be honest I never use oattacks

[nimble hamlet]

they're kinda nuts imo

heh I'll play it safe, it's low fear and it's the last surface run to get the v-lens

[elfin forge]

dashattack, cast, and special mashing more than works for me

and is already hectic enough, combined with dashing to shoot shades and grab revenants

[ornate finch]

Thanks a bunch it worked lol that's the most fun I've had with the Axe

[nimble hamlet]

update

it's a scam, don't do it I got 5 hp in like 10 chambers

[elfin forge]

told you so

[nimble hamlet]

well I mostly use O-attack s

but if you have a good olympian they'll steal all of the kills

[elfin forge]

unlike other aspects, you can't oattack without doing anything else

[nimble hamlet]

and those don't count

[elfin forge]

oh yeah that's always been a thing, like heph or hestia or poseidon

[nimble hamlet]

I very much disagree, Anubis O-attacks deal insane amounts of damage

(with a good olympian)

[elfin forge]

well your attack still happens, and you're still probably shooting ghosts

[nimble hamlet]

oh you meant in that sense

[elfin forge]

and the olympians you pick generally aren't % gods like Aphro

with something like Mel Staff, I can oattack and kill that guy, without anything else really happening

any other sources of damage will steal kills for anubis

[nimble hamlet]

heh, back to my Medea comfort food

[lapis lantern]

What posidon do I take with pan? Is it special or attack ?

Srry DBL post

[nimble hamlet]

it used to be special, but I thought it got patched away with the cooldown?

[lapis lantern]

They changed the icd again I think. What attack ?

[inland pumice]

what a good attack boon for the staff ?

[elfin forge]

which aspect

[nimble hamlet]

depends

at any rate, hitch attack is never terrible on the staff imo

hitch attack blitz special just kinda works

(for me)

[inland pumice]

let's say between apollo and hestia, I'd like to try one of them

[elfin forge]

apollo

[nimble hamlet]

Hestia

[elfin forge]

assuming this is melspect

[inland pumice]

hmm no I'm gonna use circe ? the double cast thingy with the animal

[nimble hamlet]

oh then Hestia cast

[inland pumice]

vut in the end I end up attacking for 90% of my damage

[nimble hamlet]

and raki

[elfin forge]

you shoulda said circe then

[elfin forge]

hestia cast will be a big chunk of your damage if you get that

attack and special are just bonus support

[inland pumice]

ok i'll try that then thx

[nimble hamlet]

yeah. Circe is a literal cast aspect

get Raki, as it stays close to enemies

I saw people use Hecuba, but I think Raki works better

[inland pumice]

raki is the only one I'm missing actually

[nimble hamlet]

wut how

[inland pumice]

and I still need seeds so I'm gonna take hecuba anyway

[nimble hamlet]

it's the first you unlock in Erebus

[elfin forge]

fountain rooms are hard to get

[inland pumice]

I'm done with underworld and despite dozens of runs I only encountered hil the one time

[nimble hamlet]

did they change the odds or something? I got it before I even got to the fields in EA

[inland pumice]

since he spawns in foutain room or something

[nimble hamlet]

damn

[inland pumice]

and I NEVER get this room for some reason

[elfin forge]

you need to see each familiar twice, so yeah

[nimble hamlet]

ok not me rolling Ares twice for him to never offer me attack. Like dude please

stop offering me secondary boons

[inland pumice]

I'll go back soon I still need to kill ? a 4th time, when I go kill chronos nothing new happens and I can't even talk to step bro

[nimble hamlet]

(not a spoiler for me, but I think it's best to tag v1.0 spoilers for a while)

[quartz plaza]

somehow i have not seen ares yet (have cleared top, and gotten to chronos on bottom but not killed him yet)

[quartz plaza]

why frinos?

[nimble hamlet]

huh? I thought Ares always spawned in surface run after you reach the summit

[fossil yoke]

broo I just had such nice luck on a 32fear run and first time used || the infernal contract on charon only to get oneshot by 60 dmg with strength/antler T_T ||

[ornate finch]

I've yet to succeed on surface using with witches staff or black coat any suggestions on which aspects or builds I should use?

[fossil yoke]

|| does the infernal contract guy just almost oneshot you on strength anyways? even without antler I wouldnt have much more health, that seems crazy ||

[sterile stag]

Recs on thanatos aspect boons? Idk if it's the best aspect for the axe but it's pretty fun to me so wondering what people think

I usually go for apollo because bigger hitbox but wondering what the consensus is

[bronze flax]

The increased Attack Speed is pretty good, I also went with Apollo with him, try to aim for his Legendary

Those Omega Attacks go hard with it

[fresh pivot]

What's the best gain for Possesed Array on Medea? Been using Poseidon's but it doesn't really do anything, or at least I don't get any regen at all from the skull pickups

[bronze flax]

Maybe Apollo? With Medea I like to throw some Casts between attacks, so that's useful

[fresh pivot]

It'd probably be way better, yeah

Also how's Looming Ignition on Medea?

[bronze flax]

Not sure about the Blast bit, but hey, +50% DMG is nice no matter what

[fresh pivot]

Yeah fair

[last cape]

Born, but you need a lot of max magic to support it

[sterile stag]

Ok so i actually quite enjoy the poseidon and hera omega buffs for axe

With the crit from thanatos and thise 2 effects (fine line and the wave one) you can do pretty big damage to crowds

[sly seal]

how good is aspect of persephone? does it do more damage if it explodes instead of me dashing

[chilly swift]

I'm about to do the run where I kill ||Chronos for good|| and I want to use either Aspect of Pan or Artemis, I can level one of them up to rank 3 beforehand, any opinions on which feels more epic for this fight with a good build and at rank 3? (end game spoiler)

[fading dew]

... Is it just me, or didn't they practically make the frog useless when there's the cat? 🤔

[chilly swift]

He's pretty nice once the health he offers is upgraded to the max, it allows you to free up the Persistence arcana (which is not cheap, grasp-wise), especially if you're not playing a very magicka-hungry build

[fading dew]

I see

[narrow bramble]

when an enemy has 20% armor, can vital sign proc because they’re above 80% health? i assume no but need to be sure

[fading dew]

I think they wouldn't mention the shield part if that's how it worked

[narrow bramble]

That’s what i’m assuming too, just double checking if anyone’s actually run the numbers

[orchid cloud]

Just got Natural Selection duo boon, the wording on it seems really unclear

[fading dew]

I got duo between Demeter and Zeus... I didn't notice any difference .-.

[bronze flax]

Your five core boons (Attack, Special, Rush, Cast, Magick) get 8 Poms distributed between them

[sick tide]

Hmmm…is there any advice for the ||Artemis chaos trial with her keepsake||? I’m not a good enough player to have used it regularly, and I’m pretty intimidated by it

[orchid cloud]

It should mention that it's spread randomly and affects major boons, leftmost column feels too tied up to the game UI

[bronze flax]

Yeah, I had no idea what they meant with it until I chose it and I noticed it lol

[spiral wadi]

iirc the trial gives u ares boons which happens to have blood spree that heals u per hit

so as long as ur not being hit too frequently it should be doable

[surreal hazel]

Yolololololo

just smash enemies with your insane damage before they can hurt you

[sick tide]

Oh that’s very comforting, thank you! Will need to give it a go after I finish my run then

[spiral wadi]

o new update?

[spiral wadi]

ye, it's a pretty fun trial, tho yea it's definitely intimidating lol

[surreal hazel]

oh huh, update

[orchid cloud]

Has anyone managed to get plasma build going that feels good / powerfull enough to justify doing?

[rapid bolt]

Yeah plasma feels pretty good on blades. It's good without, but the legendary really makes it pop off

Like any plasma and then like a static shock or poseidon attack on blades did really well for me

[elfin forge]

where are muh patch notes

[spiral wadi]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1145350?emclan=103582791472836561&emgid=505089031138181922

they fixed onion we're so back

[elfin forge]

ikr

[surreal hazel]

" Fixed most Olympian Keepsake effects not activating again after their Boon is skipped"

[daring nexus]

Can someone explain how I'm supposed to use Aspect of Medea? I can use the other skull aspects just fine, but I just can't seem to figure out a proper strategy with these. Loading up on skulls and charging doesn't even do that much damage.

[spiral wadi]

ah i think they fixed ||pom|| rng rerolls, sick

[elfin forge]

1 attack then 1 special, do it quickly

[daring nexus]

I also have the issue of taking damage with the dash. Also, it feels hard to actually charge Hexes with this, since it's mostly regular attacks...

[elfin forge]

yeah medea is usually manaless

As a result, medea is free to prime away all of its mana from boons like Static Shock and Frosty Veneer

[surreal hazel]

or take posessed array

[spiral wadi]

i just got howling soul 3 times in a row it's not looking good

maybe just unlucky

[daring nexus]

I just died to Eris for the first time in forever... all thanks to Medea. 😩

[surreal hazel]

Awoo

[fading dew]

If the familiar also uses cast, through circe, does it get the cast boon effects as well?

[surreal hazel]

Yep!

Some casts overlap better than others

by which I mean smolder ring doesn't stack, possibly not sword ring

[fading dew]

Okay. So, which familiar is best? Frog doesn't move around much, and the cat is lazy AF

[elfin forge]

bird

[surreal hazel]

Depends

[fading dew]

I usually try and go for thunder + ice combo

Where do I get bird?

[surreal hazel]

familiars getting close are good for overlapping casts, if they don't you get more of a psychic leash beam

[surreal hazel]

Erebus fountain chamber

[fading dew]

I see. What are the chances to find the chamber? I don't think I usually find them often

[strange crown]

What happens if I sell Bridal Glow to a fountain? Does the boon it targeted lose its rarity and levels?

[edgy nacelle]

nope, not that I know of.
I think they did change things so that once you sell bridal glow hera won’t offer it again, so you can’t get it multiple times in one run, but idt it’ll affect your upgraded boon

I’ve been out of the loop for a bit (distracted by silksong) but I sell it whenever it appears and am used to thinking of it as free money lol so. unless I missed a change

[strange crown]

Ok yeah worked fine, free 145 gold

[chilly swift]

Does Charon's actual shop in the underworld ever have Death Defiance for 200 coins or is that only for wells of charon?

[elfin forge]

I think he can sell it if you lose one

[vocal tartan]

Can anyone tell me how Support Fire interacts with Aspect of Anubis?

[elfin forge]

every tick shoots an arrow

[vocal tartan]

Ooh!

[fresh pivot]

He can sell it on the final Tartarus shop

[chilly swift]

Gotcha, that fits with what I read online

[dull rapids]

does The Furies (% bonus on enemies in cast)
increase the final dmg of the magick cast aswell or anything that happens by the cast itself?

[elfin forge]

I don't know about omega cast, but the cast itself should count as well

they are within the cast, and taking damage. All damage should receive the 30% boost

[bronze flax]

I think it counts, otherwise the damage I have made with Charon when I'm on the Cast is a placebo

[dull rapids]

i thought so aswell.
Im testing the time window for Combo, but i cant quiet make it out or how it works exactly.
It doesnt seem to reset when i put some normal attacks inbetween

[elfin forge]

this is referring to the Night arcana, correct?
Combo basically just means you cannot use the same omega back to back

if you alternate Omega Attack, Omega Special, over and over, you will keep up the combo

[dull rapids]

ah ok, they could have written that more clearly to imo 😄

[surreal hazel]

Furies will benefit omega casts, since the burst of damage happens a moment before the cast technically ends

and any damage that happens during the cast. it's a global 30% additive effect and thus VERY GOOD

[dull rapids]

i figured 😄
I assume even the fire additives get increased that i put on casts.
I always carry it with me and have leveled it up as first ^^

[surreal hazel]

Won't benefit prominence flare.... unless you have glorious disaster due to some hilarious bug I won't explain

[dull rapids]

sorry but i dont know all the boons by name 🙁

[latent marsh]

what are your fates whim arcana pages? 👀

[crisp vector]

what does the night arcana card do when you use it on torch omega special?

I see the crit icon but it doesnt seem like it actually does anything

[edgy nacelle]

the omega special will keep the crit chance until it disappears, afaik. at least if you did an omega attack first

it’s more relevant on eos and the hidden aspect since the o-attack should keep the buff until it disappears too

[crisp vector]

I'm actually asking because I want to try out eos

want to make a build where I do omega attack -> omega special -> spam specials and repeat

not sure if I should take the card or not

trying on skelly and I don't think it actually adds crit on the orbs

it definitely works on the omega attack though

ok nevermind I think it does work actually, all good

[sage flame]

yeah night and eos is a great combo

ironically lol, given what eos is

goddess of dawn or something like that

[crisp vector]

I wish there was a torch aspect that kept the early access torches special mechanic

where you could have like 7 orbs flying around you at the same time

[modern nest]

Im having the hardest time with Rivals Infernal Beast with one level of frenzy. Its like i cant physically dodge everything. Seems impossible

[sage flame]

yeah it's tough, if you keep swift runner on, remember you can sprint through him to help dodge after a dash

[edgy nacelle]

what weapon/aspect are you on?
imo it can be nice to use a more ranged/safe aspect at first so you can learn the fight without worrying about getting hits in.
circe staff, hidden staff, eos etc. it’s doable but hard to get used to, so may as well do damage even while you’re running away, until you learn how to handle it when playing aggressive

[modern nest]

I use whatever has grave thirst. And whatever aspect is next in my sequence. I guess there is no one size fits all strategy for everyone. I can beat him but it usually takes all my death defy and i almost always take knucke bones in region 3. I think hes the hardest rivals boss (except the end bosses of course)

[edgy nacelle]

at high fear scylla might take the cake tbh, she’s just very bullet hell-y. but yeah cerb is tough

[spiral wadi]

wtf does red clouds remove normal walk and sprint speed now

[sage flame]

yeah and even make u not able to like skull special out of them

[spiral wadi]

that's so lame it should just be a stop-dashing check

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1422689790645501962/Hades_II_-_2025-09-30_2-00-42_PM.mp4 bullet moment

[elfin forge]

fair and balanced

[plain fossil]

Does anyone understand the hitboxes on those charybdis bullets btw

[spiral wadi]

i wish

[bronze flax]

I don't understand anything that happens on that battle

[plain fossil]

I spent 1 run sitting next to the tentacle trying to figure out the hitbox after i got clipped a couple times and sometimes it just goes right through u

Even if ur on top of it

And sometimes ur offset a bit like that clip and it hits u

[bronze flax]

Add Supay for the Ultimate Vampire Survivors experience

✅ Auto-attack
✅ No having an idea of anything that happens on screen

[spiral wadi]

just get blood spree

[sleek junco]

Casting builds are insane in this game to shred typhon

Had Dionysus lob plus Icarus Hephaestus cast boons and melted him

Run was 17 mins

[mint nexus]

Is it just me or is Charybdis WAY harder now? Like unreasonably so?

The phase change projectiles took me to half health in like a couple seconds

[surreal hazel]

it's unchanged, I think you just got suckerpunched

[plain fossil]

Depending on levels in damage vow, i'd suggest that if you stand in most things in this game for two seconds and only lose half your bar thats probably a lucky escape

[mint nexus]

I don’t have any fear on, and I didn’t stand in them I was actively trying to escape, there was just nowhere to go

The attack doesn’t seem avoidable

[worldly vector]

suggest aspect of moros builds

[bronze flax]

I have arrived to the conclusion the best way to evade them is start running from one corner to the other, and at the end, start dashing when needed

I was able to avoid the projectile barrage at 50% health consistently that way

[elfin forge]

As a large language model, okie dokie
zeus special apollo attack
omega special and then shoot attack

[worldly vector]

and to proc origination?

[elfin forge]

any curse cast

[worldly vector]

which gain, coz im assuming the magick would be rough

[bronze flax]

When in doubt, curse in Cast

Yeah, that checks out

[elfin forge]

hera or hestia

[bronze flax]

Apollo seems good too since... Well, cast

Maybe I'm a bit LucidGainPilled

[worldly vector]

but start out zeus bangle?

[bronze flax]

But yeah, Hestia is also great choice

[lilac kraken]

Aight, so I got 2 go-to builds that pretty much guarantees any run if I pull it off.

1. Apollo' Legendary + Aphrodite's Attack on any close range weapon (normally the Axe). HULK SMASH Spin to win.

2. Zues + Poseidon + Hestia Duo boons all combined (on pan dagger and black coat: zues special, with Poseidon Cast. On torches: interchangeable between special and attack with slippery slope) blitz is strong in froth and causes scorch, and scorch and froth makes steam. And just watch the health DROP 😅.

Are these the builds most people tend to discover? Lol

[worldly vector]

alternates for the attack incase i dont find apollo?

[urban imp]

if you have Poseidon special on Xinth, does each rocket do a splash damage, or just the first hit?

[elfin forge]

should be each rocket, but they might have a cooldown

[lilac kraken]

Also, does anyone "NOT" use Knuckle Bones for the final keepsake in a run? It just always seems to be the best choice I feel 😅

[bronze flax]

I use Medea's one, or Icarus, or Skelly if I feel not confident of my remaining DD, but yeah Knuckle Bones is also an option

[plain fossil]

Knucklebones is good if u feel like ur run is potatoing, although in that case skelly is often better

[odd bolt]

lol, just discovered the apollo legendary stacks with dual moonshot hammer for the staff, omega special throws 4 projectiles
i guess it makes sense considering how its worded but i didnt know

[plain fossil]

Heading into zone 4 I think theres a case for most keepsakes that dont give u a boon

Well maybe not charon keepsake in zone 4 but most of the others

[uneven palm]

Any +% is good, but honestly anything is fine on Moros it starts out strong

[tough pasture]

What? I'm not even sure what killed you...

[spiral wadi]

i think the bullet just somehow intersected my hurtbox after it already grazed me

[lilac kraken]

Yeah, Medea is my other choice usually. If I have any kind of struggle I'll use Medea against Prometheus, and then Knuckle Bone afterward.

[latent marsh]

what arcana pages do you run for fate's whim runs?

[placid sinew]

what does wicked onslaught attacks + 20 power actually do

[fresh pivot]

It increases your attack's base damage by 20

[edgy nacelle]

“power” adds to the base damage your weapon deals before you apply bonuses like % damage and crit
so if you’re using boons and arcana cards that increase % damage you get a lot more than +20 damage per hit

[fresh pivot]

Anything that says "Power +X" is an increase to your base damage

[lilac kraken]

Which is good, cause that get multiplied by all the +% boons that affects it

[cosmic steppe]

Every time I decide to give tough gain another go my inner no hit runner takes over the body

While usually I'm all hit runner

[edgy nacelle]

there are also just a ton of sources of % damage in the game. furies, origination, and huntress arcana cards, a lot of gods, some status curses and secondary boons…
power buffs are great

[edgy nacelle]

I refuse to touch it if I actually want magick regen lol. if I don’t use any magick then the effect is decent even if I don’t get hit much, but as a regen it’s……. not for me

[lilac kraken]

Anyone who's played Balatro would understand just how powerful that is. 😂

[cosmic steppe]

That's why when I don't care about god effect dmg I run flatter strike slow cooker, best of both worlds

[surreal hazel]

Power is chips, +% is mult and crit and minicrit is Xmult

[cosmic steppe]

One day I'll land shiva's 6 destruction stacks full charge mega collider omega attack with wounds, ares crit and Artemis

On Typhon's dome

[edgy nacelle]

I do like power but I love effect damage lol, scorch builds and ripple effect spam are so fun lol.
plus effect damage can still benefit from a lot of dmg% buffs, if they aren’t specific to weapon attacks

[night gazelle]

Do Duos go away when you take Ransom?

[surreal hazel]

Yesn't

Depends who gave it to you

[cosmic steppe]

How would they, ransom IS the duo

[night gazelle]

I still have Cherished Heirloom, but I really feel like I had Unhealthy Fixation and it's gone now

[surreal hazel]

What about other duos, silly

[cosmic steppe]

Oh wait yeah I'm dumb

2 am just woke up

[surreal hazel]

Hera gave you that one then

[night gazelle]

Oy

Well I guess 4 Poms are probably more helpful against Typhon than that Duo...

[surreal hazel]

If hera gave you a duo, king's ransom will remove it

[livid tartan]

The only time I use it is with High Fear Nergal with Psychic Whirlwind

[surreal hazel]

Also neither ransom removes infusions I think

[cosmic steppe]

I wish trial rooms could give the 3rd party gods' duos

They don't got no beef 😭

[edgy nacelle]

oooh on nergal it sounds fun lol.
may have to give it a try, I haven’t played nergal in ages

[cosmic steppe]

Tried it first time on my 0 fear story binge on release

Took ares keepsake was going for legendary and ended with 2 ares boons to my name

[night gazelle]

Ecstatic Obsession*. That's what it's called. I know what game I'm playing

[cosmic steppe]

Don't worry I also know my boons

My favorite one is burner freeze

[sudden belfry]

should i pick different boons for aspect of selene when using the coat? like different than what i would pick for aspect of mel

[cosmic steppe]

Depends on the fear

[sudden belfry]

just 2, doing rivals

[cosmic steppe]

When I'm on low fear I prioritize the hex so I start with Selene keepsake get 2-3 gods in the starting region and then go for ares keepsake for godsend on the 2nd region

And in doing that I have to occasionally freestyle my boons for a bit

[sudden belfry]

ooh neat

[rich belfry]

so whats the way to play shiva ? with what boons ?

[cosmic steppe]

Imho you start off with swapping the huntress arcana for the omega combo one

And on attack you'd wanna the %increase, best ones being ares or aphro for boss dmg with Apollo closing in as 2nd best % increase and a good aoe improvement

Also I can't help but gamble chaos gates for decreased magick consumption bc even with born gain I'm constantly weary of magick

[sudden belfry]

rival hecate kicked my ass goddamn
whatever im just warming up

[rich belfry]

did that , now im trying to boost my omega attacks

[cosmic steppe]

Toughest part of Hecate is COMPLETELY different dodging pattern of the phase3 hex

[spiral wadi]

i'm pretty sure the ball splits have rng speeds for some reason

like i've had runs where all 3 balls are really slow, while another run one ball was stupid fast for some reason

[cosmic steppe]

They ought to give us an option to bring three homing frogs that lock onto the hexes for that fight at 2 fear

[spiral wadi]

luck into fire away before hecate

[woeful saddle]

so how good is beach ball anyway

i feel like its kind of a meme

[spiral wadi]

it's really good

usually gets top 3 or 2 in dmg if u get it early enough

[plain fossil]

I dont mind the rival hecate fight, im still pretty new to all these as i last played seriously back when there were no rivals and eris was the last surface boss lul

[cosmic steppe]

@unkempt sleet

[plain fossil]

In some respects its easier than normal as u can use the standing stones to block projectiles during the phase 3 transition

[void cargo]

@unkempt sleet the Selene coat needs 2 things. First, you need a good omega special boon (Ares preferebly because he is also needed for the Godsent) and for you to start with the selene keepsake

[cosmic steppe]

I just dash around alternating between low charge omegas proc orig with what I've managed to get and occasionally do a big o-attack while blocking something

[plain fossil]

I just want to know why all the surface rival fights suck compared to the underground ones

[unkempt sleet]

interesting, I would’ve thought you’d start with ares keepsake. what’s the reasoning for taking moon beam first ?

[cosmic steppe]

To get to epic instantly

[void cargo]

it gives you instant upgrades. the coat has an in built hex

[cosmic steppe]

Preferably the one that triggers the minihex off every omega

[void cargo]

Aaaand hopefully you get the multitarget epic

[plain fossil]

Like rival prometheus is special ed theseus

[cosmic steppe]

Next in priority on path of stars is godsend, then the extra dmg for same target, then the extra guardian dmg

[plain fossil]

What even is that fight i swear they let the intern do that one lul

[unkempt sleet]

jotting all of this down (just imagine the peeponotes emote here)

[cosmic steppe]

Mininodes it's power > repeats > curse improvement

[void cargo]

basically the Selene coat becomes Hex central. try to add stuff like cut above, fine line, ocean swell, to beef up the magic spend

you can also make it into a beefed up omega cast build wep

[unkempt sleet]

thank you so much omg

[void cargo]

its very very viable

[cosmic steppe]

Same as with shiva you take the omega combo arcana over huntress

[void cargo]

(its also the only way to get the Ares Godsent)

All shall suffer

[void cargo]

if you do end up using it and winning, tag me haha, Im really curious what youll have ended up adding to it

also, Hecuba is a must imo

[unkempt sleet]

lol sure! might be a while coz i’m not playing games much now (gotta lock in life wise) but i’m excited to play more h2 when i can

[void cargo]

there aint no rush!

[unkempt sleet]

oh yeah this is the nerfed version too btw lol twas too good

[cosmic steppe]

I forget to switch fams as a full-time job, beat 12f surface with raki on it I think

12f in question was rivals 4 though

[unkempt sleet]

one thing about me is i WILL be forgetting to equip the correct familiar before pressing start run with circle staff

[lapis lantern]

Well wth is nexus rush btw lol

[unkempt sleet]

new peak rush boon

[lapis lantern]

Same every time 😭

[cosmic steppe]

Yesterday I've had the single most promising 24f surface run and was on track to actually start unlocking the 3rd statue and then Typhon dealt 900 dmg to me

I locked OUT in that fight

[lapis lantern]

Does lvling up the pin give you more time to clear btw ?

[unkempt sleet]

real answer: applies hitch to surrounding enemies when sprinting. used to be that you had to sprint into foes but now it’s lowk busted

[lapis lantern]

Yeah I've been using it it's kinda ridiculous

Its not great with nxk tho cos it keeps killing them B4 I get the buff lol

[cosmic steppe]

If I wanna do supay with nexus I gotta take actually good attack and special boons or else my bossfights will be ass right?

[lapis lantern]

Trying to get the 3 rooms with pin for fate but it's annoying

[unkempt sleet]

Circe staff runs for me are always as follows: start run -> place cast and realize i either didn’t equip a familiar or equipped the wrong one -> quit run -> forget to equip familiar -> repeat

[lapis lantern]

Haha saaaaame

[cosmic steppe]

Btw what are the reqs for a run reset incantation

[lapis lantern]

8 clears up and down

[cosmic steppe]

I swear I've beaten both big ones 8 times and it's the only requirement I've seen mentioned online

[lapis lantern]

Check with the shade in tavern

[cosmic steppe]

I've had 5 Typhon eyes prior to release and gathered enough for an ending after they reset

[lapis lantern]

SO does lvling pin give me more than 10 seconds ?

[cosmic steppe]

No

[lapis lantern]

AHH ok. Pretty annoying to guess how many waves left

[cosmic steppe]

Mine is at lvl2, ran it yesterday and it's 10

[unkempt sleet]

IIRC the biggest thing is getting the second mel statue

[cosmic steppe]

I do have it

[lapis lantern]

Trying to do the fate thing but getting all the way to Oceanus and then failing a room with pin is sad

[cosmic steppe]

How do I check the amount of Ws specifically I only see the run history on that mofos track record

[lapis lantern]

It is a different colour

[unkempt sleet]

ohhh do you have the incantation to let you select a favourite keepsake

[lapis lantern]

For clears

[unkempt sleet]

it might be that that you’re missing

[cosmic steppe]

I do

[lapis lantern]

I honestly thought it was only 8 up and down

[unkempt sleet]

hmmmm idk then, i’m checking this website rn for the reqs but I’ll just send it over here https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Oath_of_the_Unseen

[cosmic steppe]

Maybe it didn't track the thing before whatever patch but idk

[lilac kraken]

Yeah I noticed some tracking is wonky. Checking my wins via weapons showed like 8 wins. But then checking it by run I had A LOT more, lol.

[cosmic steppe]

I've only played the first EA one, then a 50 or so of mainly surface on warsong and then 100 on the unseen and onward

[unkempt sleet]

yeah might be a bug where the 1.0 patch reset it since it requires final boss resources, idk

idk i made sure to get the run reset and greatest gift of Gaia (auto collect) before my final boss drops all got wiped in 1.0

[lapis lantern]

Anyway to estimate the amount of waves left in a room ?

[cosmic steppe]

Gut feeling

[lapis lantern]

Greater gift is so peak

Ma this profecy is annoying then 🥺

[cosmic steppe]

Nah but actually you just look at the enemy types, the more big guys you get the less total guys there will be

There's the only takeaway

[lapis lantern]

Ic enemy weight or whatever

[cosmic steppe]

More like roughly rounded total HP pool spread

Icarus Artemis Nem and Athena do affect it and I don't care to count in which way

[lapis lantern]

Yeah I gotta proc it 3 rooms in a row ...

I'm on my 3rd try now 😡 room 2 !!

[cosmic steppe]

Thankfully I at least know that if I don't have hordes on and my build is op for room clear then Heracles encounter is over shortly after I get $160

[south copper]

||oh I love that Hades damage the boss thing worked on Typphon to othat was so cool, ended his first phase right away||

^typhon spoiler

[cosmic steppe]

Brother that's secret keepsake spoiler

If I understood you correctly

[unkempt sleet]

if they’re gonna make players go through all this trouble to ||meet the fates|| i feel like the least they could do is have mel have a voice line where indicates it’s the last round of enemies? idk idk

[lapis lantern]

Ok second room down !!

[sudden belfry]

just unlocked morrigan yippee

what are good boons for it?

[unkempt sleet]

top 3 weapon in the game lets gooo

[lapis lantern]

I haven't used it yet , seems complied

[sudden belfry]

also IRISH MYTHOLOGY REPRESENTATIOOOOON

[unkempt sleet]

its a lot of fun when you start getting the rhythm of it down!

i like to do attack -> O attack -> special

[lapis lantern]

Yewh everyone says that. Imma gonna give it a go after I get this profecy

[cosmic steppe]

My fav build is hestia attack deme special aphro Regen, freezer burn + burning passion

[lapis lantern]

I'm still kinda stuck on 32 uw

[cosmic steppe]

Every blood triad is also a 2k freezer burn proc

[lapis lantern]

I love freezer and burning

[unkempt sleet]

scorch is always strong so i know people like putting scorch on the attack. i like putting blitz on special too

freezer burn my beloved

[lapis lantern]

Freezer burn and burning desire is so sick combo

[cosmic steppe]

There's also a tech that lets you proc triad once off 3 moves and then do it every 2nd move after

[lapis lantern]

And glamour gain is so nice for mele builds

I need to watch a vid on morrigan I think

[cosmic steppe]

Dash through with dash attack and charge up an instant o-attack, special, dash back through with a dash attack... and cycle that thing

[unkempt sleet]

yeah I didn’t realize but that’s how I’ve been playing it, man that weapon is so fun

really satisfying to proc the triad, the little triangle going off and the sfx are Great

[cosmic steppe]

Afterhits make sure that the move you procced blood triad with gets its node instantly filled in the next triad rotation

Expect for attack bc dash strike is the only move in the moveset without extra hits

[lapis lantern]

Yes 3rd room down let's goooo

[cosmic steppe]

There's also another build that dolly omits the triad, if you pull the hammer that makes your every other attack in attack combo a big chomp

You just spam the button

[unkempt sleet]

also where my nergal enjoyers at

[cosmic steppe]

Can do a simple flatter strike slow cooker Zeus Regen (bc it's the only one that only happens voluntarily and you get to have permanent huntress on)

[unkempt sleet]

and not just psychic whirlwind nergal coz i actually love using the regular bonk attacks lol

congrats sgg you finally got Someone to like what is essentially the big chop hammer in h1

[cosmic steppe]

I want to do o special nergal run tmrw

[tight shard]

I got the craziest attack build rn i just beat ||cerb|| in under a minute ||https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1420604508383346808/1422735878211637318/SPOILER_image.png?ex=68ddc18a&is=68dc700a&hm=a3a16390594994c4bf9342be65107bd853ebe68ad3a4cd2693f714ba7a051c3d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1423&height=800||

[cosmic steppe]

It's wonky but fun, wonder if Apollo aoe buff fixes the wonkiness

[hollow elk]

any good aspect of supay builds?

[cosmic steppe]

How do you post images in here discord wizard

[unkempt sleet]

iirc the meta for supay is romantic spark and/or beach ball

[tight shard]

If you send a direct link to an image it works :)

[cosmic steppe]

Where the alt+prtscr>Ctrl+v gang at 🙁

[tight shard]

What does alt prtscr do..

[cosmic steppe]

Either captures selected window or active monitor idrk

[south copper]

||oh and zag calls out when you use a god blessed hex on him, love all these little detials!||

secret boss spoiler ^ (That better?)

[unkempt sleet]

nergal o special is so cool but they just had to make the o attack so freaking big… now i hard see people use it

[cosmic steppe]

Been using that ever after I've gotten 2nd monitor bc raw prtscr captures both

[tight shard]

Ooo

[celest forum]

Question - If I skip a hammer, will it reappear or will I only get 1 hammer that run?

[elfin forge]

I forgot the shortcut for snipping tool

[unkempt sleet]

i’m a broken record the way i keep telling people that ||i wish zag was a little harder coz like, bro i controlled you better than this you gotta step it up now lol||

[tight shard]

Win + shift + s! Snipping tool my beloved

[cosmic steppe]

One total for the first two locations one total for the latter two

[unkempt sleet]

it can reappear

[cosmic steppe]

Shared "token" in both cases

[cosmic steppe]

Win shift S

[south copper]

lol ya just run and shoot easy way to win. I wanna see someone try to beat him jsut in melee tho

[unkempt sleet]

you’re guaranteed to be able to see/take 2 hammers per run

[cosmic steppe]

And I don't know if that's a thing but if you skip a naturally appearing one in, say, 1st region than in the 2nd u will have to roll for it

Might just be my anecdotal experience

[unkempt sleet]

it’s so funny how everyone I’ve seen play the secret boss ||keeps trying to pick up the bloodstones||. old habits die hard

[south copper]

to be fair too, I think we're fighting him raw as is, which is impressive too I don't think he has any boons, other than hundreds of centaur hearts. Is cool he has learned how to cast darkness tho and hits SO hard

[south copper]

saaaame, I pass by them occasionally

[unkempt sleet]

he might be ||using dad’s keepsake||

[south copper]

I actually just got him on the surface which surprised me
nah recharges too fast

[plain fossil]

U can see natural hammers in oceanus if u skip in erebus; ive never done this on surface because ive never skipped hammer in ephyra

[cosmic steppe]

||vow of rivals zag with merciful end Gilgamesh gloves anyone?||

[unkempt sleet]

i’m like ||oh ig zag is doing a shattered shackle run lol||

[unkempt sleet]

he pops up with quintuple dash ouuuhhhh melinoe you’re cooked

[cosmic steppe]

The fsw npc boss experience

[south copper]

now that would explain it

[lapis lantern]

I best him when I fought him but he suxked all my DD lol

[south copper]

that's happened too one misstep and if he gets his hands on you, ouch

[copper basin]

q: if I'm out of moon water usages and get another path of stars visit (selene boon) do the usages reset?

[cosmic steppe]

No but if you take the extra use node you will get that one

[copper basin]

thanks! i figured that was the case

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1422740567145713877/DC47892182FF84F.mp4 nice hitbox

[cosmic steppe]

Bluetooth flames 💔 🥀

[sudden belfry]

aaahh i have to choose between aph and hestia
whose attacks are worse

[spiral wadi]

what weapon

[sudden belfry]

morrigan

[spiral wadi]

hestia prob better

[sudden belfry]

oh i mean like its a choice room
you know one of the gods attacks you

[lapis lantern]

Yeah ok I don't understand morrigan at all lol

[spiral wadi]

OH hestia's trial is way easier

[sudden belfry]

gotcha!

[winged zinc]

there is no way to check moon skills before selecting right

[plain fossil]

I just assume that whole sequence is 360 coverage around the boss it seems more reliable to not get hit

[plain fossil]

So my hot take on this is that if anybody has to actually ask then aph is the easiest trial

[spiral wadi]

yea fair

[spiral wadi]

i literally cannot see where aph or poseidon's things spawn in a room full of enemies

[plain fossil]

Because if you're asking then you arent on 5 minute timer and you can ignore aph by just running to the other side of the arena

And killing things for 5 seconds

[spiral wadi]

🤔

[cosmic steppe]

Just as I asked about how do u structure a supay build with nexus rush

Haelian has a vid on that

He truly does give and give and give

I know it's a far fetch but imagine heph deme duo cleared all statuses for some dmg per on blast so nexus rush was reapllicable

[young latch]

i dont particularly understand how the pom keepsake works? does it just activate whenever i dont use rolls/god keepsakes

[viral yew]

Ok so you need to have the reroll arcana turned off, you cannot equip any god keepsakes that give you a boon, but any boon you take will have +4 lvls at rank 3, and even if you take the keepsake off the effect will still apply, so if you take it first region and don't take any keepsakes that disable it, every boon will have +4 lvls

[ripe comet]

So I finally made it to Scylla (got crushed lol) my build was mostly Aphrodite (attack+dash) and Demeter (cast), and a few from Poseidon, weapon was the staff, does anyone have any advice 😅

[viral yew]

With the staff, you want pos/zeus/hestia, Demeter and aprho boons really don't go well with the weapon

[glass bone]

I disagree. It really depends on the aspect

Mel Staff can absolutely use Aphrodite Special (but also Hera Special)
Circe loves to get Demeter’s Arctic Gusts (and Local Climate if the cast is OCast-centric)
Momus probably doesn’t need Aphro, but it can work
And Hidden Staff can use Aphrodite Special like Mel Staff, instead using OSpecial, but again like Mel, Hera Special can work.

[viral yew]

Obviously you can make any weapon good with almost all the gods but it sounds like they're very new, they wouldnt have the special damage on mel staff, and it's just easier to go with some better gods for the weapon

[young latch]

ahhh okay i see!!

[glass bone]

Aphro and Demeter are fine gods for Mel Staff even without the aspect upgrades. To me, I think the issue is the specific boons they used, and also just practicing the bosses and weapons.

[viral yew]

Yes you can minmax and plan specific boons but sometimes it's better to start with a general idea

[glass bone]

Like Demeter cast is great, but Aphro Attack isn’t as strong as the Special is

[wide glen]

Trying to just understand this cause it's kinda unclear: Wounds is just that the attack does more damage, with a cooldown?

[viral yew]

Yeah it's not great

[odd bolt]

You strike an enemy with a wound boon, that attack has more base damage and this enemy gets wounded, then when the wound ends you can apply again on that enemy

[glass bone]

Each enemy has a Wounds cooldown I think, unlike Heph Blasts.

[odd bolt]

So yeah pretty much extra damage with cooldown per enemy, but it's also a curse so you can use it for origination

[glass bone]

Out of all of the gods, I have used Ares the least, with the main uses I can think of are supporting other gods unlike any other god (Hestia Fireballs, Selene Coat, etc.).

The other use I have for Ares is like reaaaally specific to one specific part of the game (Movement speed from Plasma, because of a certain late game fight), but even then, Hermes, and Apollo has boons to give movement speed and more value.

[odd bolt]

I feel like ares is a god that needs higher commitment to become good, you need a bunch of his boons working together and then it feels awesome

[glass bone]

I mean that’s what Heph is, but Heph’s damage is absolutely massive with boosts. Ares, I just don’t feel the same way

[wide glen]

I did an Aphrodite+Ares run a little earlier and got both legendaries, it was AWESOME

[odd bolt]

Heph is big damage but there's something satisfying about splashing plasma everywere and becoming super fast, its also better in some weapons

[glass bone]

And also Heph has some of the better support boons with the Armor.

[odd bolt]

Personally I prefer ares to heph but that's just me

[odd bolt]

Ares legendary and duo boon with hera is peak

[wide glen]

Ares might legit have the best legendary for some of the weapons. I did it with the torches the first time I did it and I've never seen them attack so fast

[old wigeon]

anyone have a picture of their setup they run with the three new keepsakes?

arcana setup that is*

[rough patio]

Vow of return is really cool

Or whatever the one that makes the guys die into green orbs is called

[cosmic steppe]

I'm gonna come out and say it

If I manage to get a run reset incant within 3 runs tomorrow I'm going for aphro lego run with harm for the afflicted

[glass bone]

I use a “standard arcana set” with the replacements of Artificer, and either Huntress / Night or Strength.

[viral yew]

No rerollss and origination and lovers, everything else is personal preference

[hollow elk]

any fun aspect of hel builds

[rough patio]

Is it not possible to open the boon requirements / book of shadows while in the boon accepting prompts???

[odd bolt]

Scorch on the attack have fun

[viral yew]

Yes it is

[cosmic steppe]

Get a hestia attack, this aspect is maybe the only one that can afford pomming heroic pyrotechnique

[hollow elk]

Ok

[rough patio]

How?

The keyboard button doesn’t work and neither does the controller binding for me

[viral yew]

That's a you problem then you should be able to open the boon menu as long as you have the incantion and codex

[cosmic steppe]

It's the triangle instead of up on dpad

[hollow elk]

what should i put on special

poseeeeeeeeeeeeeidon?

[viral yew]

Nah, zeus

[cosmic steppe]

Either blitz or Demeter idk

[hollow elk]

might try and get demeter on dash zeus on special

[cosmic steppe]

Zeus better prob

[viral yew]

Nah you want dem cast Zeus dash

[cosmic steppe]

I only do Demeter dash if it's an air quality run

[rough patio]

I can open it whenever I’m not accepting a boom 🤷‍♂️

[hollow elk]

what on special then

also ngl i always forget to use cast

[viral yew]

Blitz

[sudden belfry]

died to ||typhon|| agaaaain....

[viral yew]

Have you considered not getting hit?

[sudden belfry]

no

[hollow elk]

typhon still gets me sometimes even after beating the game

[rough patio]

Rn typhon mostly feels like a dps check for me

I haven’t learned the attack pattern well yet and if I have a lot of damage he kinda dies before I do xd

That will change with fear though

[viral yew]

Yeah you need to be able to kill the eggs in time

[rough patio]

Or be able to ignore the adds with casts I guess

[viral yew]

All of his attacks are super easy to dodge until the last phase, and as long as you stand directly in front of him you'll be fine

[sudden belfry]

i need maximum dmg output!!!
also what hidden aspect should i try to go for next....

[viral yew]

Blades

[sudden belfry]

i already got morrigan, which one after that

[viral yew]

Idk all the other ones kinda suck

[sudden belfry]

damn lol

[steel sequoia]

i didnt like skulls but im a hel fan now, shame on me

[snow panther]

Am I tweaking or hestia fireball cast doesnt explode on impact

[cosmic steppe]

Anubis

2 builds I like the most are hera attack hestia omega special spam with incandescent aura and master conductor with apollo/hera attack

[sudden belfry]

which weapon is anubis?

[brazen ore]

staff

[sudden belfry]

kk!

[steel sequoia]

i miss mynt, anyone has that vid of full vengeance build?

[vague zinc]

So uhh, when it comes to upgrading hidden aspects, i assume aspect of supay is kinda at the bottom of the list right?

[odd bolt]

It's pretty good actually

[vague zinc]

The % increase in damage of rush boons feels almost inconsequential for the most part, except maybe for zeus? I'd assume Nergal would be a priority, then Morrigan, Anubis, Shiva, Hel, Supay last

[vague zinc]

The aspect itself I know is good, but is that rush damage buff significant enough to warrant prioritizing maxing it out?

[odd bolt]

Haven't really thought about the priority for upgrading them, you might be right assuming you wanna optimize it but I don't know for sure

[vague zinc]

It costs quite a bit of nightmare so i've been thinking about it. So far I maxed Nergal and Anubis, just looking towards what next.

[odd bolt]

For me I didn't like Shiva at all so I haven't fully upgraded it yet but I guess it's one of the most important ones to upgrade for sure

[sudden sorrel]

am i crazy or is post game harder

[vague zinc]

I do like Shiva quite a bit

[sudden sorrel]

I feel like all the extreme measures fights got way harder, i used to be able to trudge through but now its like a brick wall, is it just a skill issue or is anyone else feeling this

[brazen ore]

i think morrigan is probably pretty low down the list, triad damage is not massively impactful later on weirdly enough

[odd bolt]

I feel like rivals eris got significantly harder but idk why

[vague zinc]

Really? It seems really chunky at 777

[sudden sorrel]

the eris and promethus rivals are kicking my ass, I havent changed a thing about my weapon, did they shadow nerf aspect of than??

its making me feel crazy

[brazen ore]

it is chunky but with how fast the attack is on morrigan, you can outdps it with just attack rather than doing the combo pretty easily. it's good on bosses but in regular rooms it falls off kinda fast

[vague zinc]

Yeah didn’t rly think to use triad on normal enemies unless armored maybe. But on bosses definitely. Doesn’t blood triad get influenced by anything? Aside from global damage increases like origination

[odd bolt]

It's like fixed

I might be wrong don't quote me on this but I think not even strength increases it

[vague zinc]

Oh so it’s not even influenced by global damage effects?

Wow.

I’ll check with skelly real quick tho

[uneven palm]

777 still chunks even in the endgame

[supple lintel]

rivals eris did get quite a damage buff

[odd bolt]

there's a hammer that gives you +222 and that's it

[odd bolt]

Makes sense, I should have read the patch notes for 1.0

[supple lintel]

laser deals like 18 damage now or something

[odd bolt]

She was way too easy so that's a good change

[uneven palm]

If you’re interested in the aspect gimmicks, Morrigan and Nergal need upgrades, the other hiddens are a bit less needy

[vague zinc]

Not bad considering getting blood triad is not that difficult, but I guess spamming attack might be the better way. It hits three times so on hit effects probably work better

[supple lintel]

ur eris still jumps out of combat a lot which is a bit annoying especially on timer

[vague zinc]

Yeah i realized fast nergal is priority #1 so i maxed it and it feels so good now

[sudden sorrel]

what about the prometheus rivals fight?

[supple lintel]

triad is only affected by the hammer and heph legendary, outside of that its a constant 777

[vague zinc]

Hmm. Might still be a good idea to max out morrigan then

[supple lintel]

patch notes says heracles got a reduced wave speed so that might be tripping some people up

[sudden sorrel]

its not that im just getting bodied now

is there a nerf to than?

[supple lintel]

than is still the same i think

[odd bolt]

I think than got buffed?

[sudden sorrel]

ik the crits got buffed and swing speed

maybe its the swing speed??

[steel sequoia]

ive heard than got buffed

[sudden sorrel]

i mean it did i just have no idea whats causing prometheus rival right to be such a brick wall for me

ive done like 15 runs and 1 made it to typhon

[supple lintel]

do you have any other fear modifiers that might affect the fight

[sudden sorrel]

nope, just the 3 rivals

[uneven palm]

Than got buffed with 1.0, yeah. Faster, more crits

[sharp heath]

what happens to boons from hermes shrine if there's not enough encounters left for delivery?

[supple lintel]

they get dropped off at the final shop

[odd bolt]

He shows up with them on the final shop

[sharp heath]

SIIIIIIICK

[steel sequoia]

nergal is better than than? looks crazy for me but im newb

[sharp heath]

thank you so much

is there a better channel for questions like that?

alot of stuff I just cant seem to find on the wiki or reddit

[supple lintel]

i find nergal better, i like than but some runs it just doesnt deal that much damage

[odd bolt]

I think it's fine here just be careful cause spoilers are allowed here

[sudden sorrel]

does it deal less or something?

i guess it does less than the aspect of mel

[velvet hawk]

uh how do i go about playing regular mel staff? how often should i weave in the omega attacks and special? and what attack boon should i choose?

[sudden sorrel]

is aspect of mel viable??

[supple lintel]

it deals the same amount but the other axepects have greater sources of damage now

aspect mel is pretty good now

[sudden sorrel]

Maybe i just need to forget about my beloved

[supple lintel]

the 50 power is really nice

[sudden sorrel]

it sounds nice

just get the right daedalus and i basically have than again

[odd bolt]

If you have like upgraded Mel staff just go for spamming specials it's more efficient I think

[indigo badger]

does double strike of zeus interact with the blitz effects? (double strike is the boon that says that your thunder effects can hit twice)

[odd bolt]

Assuming you can activate origination with like a cast

[sour cape]

Geez why is Hecate rival so hard 😭

[velvet hawk]

totally new to the game, done like 18 attempts i think so its just level 1

[sudden sorrel]

Hec rival is way harder than eris and poly rivals

[viral yew]

Defo fs

[sour cape]

And Scylla rival too!

[indigo badger]

honestly think that regular eris is harder than rivals, somhow

[viral yew]

Just because your build is never quite strong enough

[sudden sorrel]

scylla rivals is agony omg

[viral yew]

Rivals eris used to be easier

[sour cape]

Really? I didnt notice anything diff

[supple lintel]

yeah i find regular eris more of a pain than rivals

[sudden sorrel]

really? i wipe the floor with her base

[sour cape]

For Scylla, Hecate is like just suffer with all the clones

[sudden sorrel]

maybe just playstyle diff, whats your wepa?

[uneven palm]

Coupla combos that work well are dash-strike O attack, or dash-strike attack special, or O special dash-strike special. It’s a strong aspect when ranked.

[supple lintel]

i always play with frenzy 2 tho so it might be different on regular speed

[viral yew]

Surface rivals are overall easier than underworld, makes it so that the difficulty is somewhat equal

[odd bolt]

You can still try to focus more on the special if you like it, assuming you have a good Magick Regen boon to keep throwing omega specials, attack is fine too since your staff isn't upgraded

[sour cape]

I used Circe staff

[indigo badger]

i mean, regular is more volatile at least, her damage buffs on the regular fight get nutty

[viral yew]

Yeah frenzy 2 is worse on normal

[indigo badger]

so rivals eris its a way more consistant fight for me

[odd bolt]

Demeter is really good early game cause of freeze

[velvet hawk]

Mm

[odd bolt]

Would recommend

[sudden sorrel]

that might be good at taking out rival scylla actually

[velvet hawk]

got it

[sour cape]

Im on Frenzy 2 and Hecate is like immune half the time or having extremely large aoes

[velvet hawk]

dem on attack?

[viral yew]

And on high fear, saved my ass many times

[velvet hawk]

do i force dem with her keepsake?

[indigo badger]

does anyone know this?, or its just the non-blitz thunder effects?

[sudden sorrel]

might be the axe that the axe has range so I can kinda just stay away and poke

[odd bolt]

Or special

[viral yew]

Yes

[sour cape]

I just do what normally do, drop casts on the drummer and try to lure everyone into it and she goes down fast 🤔

[velvet hawk]

alright

[indigo badger]

yes to witch one?

[supple lintel]

pretty sure it affects blitz

[viral yew]

Dem special, zeus/pos attack on the staff

[velvet hawk]

alright

[odd bolt]

That's pretty solid yeah

[velvet hawk]

will try that out now, thanks peeps

[sudden sorrel]

That drummer and chrybdis really make that fight rough, scyllas speed buff doesnt help

[viral yew]

Zeus is probably better cause origination but if u dont have that then pos

[indigo badger]

i use whearever the bone buff tells me to, so i have experience with every weapon

[velvet hawk]

got it