h2-builds-and-combat

[civic ocean]

It is very very easy below like 50 fear to stumble and trip over enough %damage to win the run so I wouldn’t focus on trying to base boon selection on it

[median pawn]

am I the only idiot that cant play with aspect of medea

when youtubers play it they delete rooms my doesnt do anything q_q

[balmy hare]

medea is easy

run away while you load and then nuke

[zinc hill]

haelian?

[signal coral]

Real medea playstyle has no running away

[median pawn]

him, the 64 fear guy boated

I'm trying to get 32 fear and legit cant play medea

guess going to play circe with hestia again

[balmy hare]

what do you find difficult about media

[signal coral]

For the playstyle you want to alternate attack -> special very quickly in succession

[median pawn]

I think I miss my specials on controller

[signal coral]

And then its about aiming the special

[median pawn]

also I cant really aim on mouse either

[signal coral]

You will zoom around the map with constant specials and every time you zoom through an enemy they get exploded

[balmy hare]

dont have to aim if you do it right in their face

[glass bone]

No, I too am not the best / strong with Medea. But also I have cleared some weapons at 62…

[median pawn]

the thing is whoever I watch they just melt bosses insta

I try to do the same and die

[signal coral]

Its because medea does giga damage once you get used to the playstyle

[signal coral]

Learning how to dash without getting hit is probably the most important thing with the weapon

Its fairly unsafe when the enemy doesnt instantly die

[balmy hare]

its unfortunate that medea is the best skull aspect because i do not find it as fun as the others

i actually enjoy shooting my attacks as projectiles

[signal coral]

But this is also why you will see people commonly take heph and lovers

When playing medea

[median pawn]

I see

[signal coral]

Medea special has no iframes so its important to not dash directly into a hitbox

But the aspect has ridiculous damage so its still the strongest

[scenic bane]

what are best attack boons for torches

[signal coral]

You can make almost anything work on torches

[balmy hare]

depends on the aspect too

[signal coral]

Except like maybe heph with no poms

Mel and moros torches need mana as their core

If you have mana you have damage

Can throw on most attack/special boons after and its not terrible

[balmy hare]

i used to really like scorch on it but then i realized i like base attack increases more

ares on special with moros is great

[inland pumice]

what would be a good attack boon for the black coat ? I got ares but I feel it doesn't benefit mluch from the attack speed

[balmy hare]

aphrodite

[glass bone]

Scorch or Waves work for Mel or Nyx, but for Nyx it’s better to use Scorch Special

[inland pumice]

thanks for the recommendations, would apollo be a good fit too ? for the increased area

[scenic bane]

how do i scale the explode on torches, swear this isnt as good as mel

[signal grail]

Are there any ways to increase the chances/rarity for Artemis?

[glass bone]

You could use Apollo Attack on Hidden Aspect Coat if you want

[median pawn]

does hermes go into your godpool or is he a special case

[balmy hare]

you mean moros explosion?

it counts as an attack

so it gets whatever benefits your attack gets

[scenic bane]

ty'

[white forum]

Would you make the Calling Card be able to upgrade the boons from Echo? Specifically, when she gives you three boons from the previous night.

[fallen stirrup]

The moros torches aspect explosion's does that count as Attack damage or Special damage?

[balmy hare]

attack

[digital juniper]

no, he doesn’t affect your god pool, and you can only get 2 boons of him in natural circumstances

[median pawn]

ty

[obtuse schooner]

What is the best build for fast clearing zones? Need one to farm for materials can be only found on the final zone

[digital juniper]

i would say don’t rush it, but at this stage of the game whatever you’re comfortable with is the best

what weapons/aspects do you like?

[signal coral]

Medea if you can play it

Its the strongest aspect, but has a weird playstyle you need to learn

In general though if youre trying too hard to speedrun meta progress you might burn out

[obtuse schooner]

Whatever weapon is the fastest. No hidden aspects tho since I am trying to get those

[digital juniper]

yeah medea is far and away the fastest aspect but it also requires adjusting your playstyle to, and is somewhat risky

charon axe is relatively safe and can be quite quick too

[obtuse schooner]

Ok. I tried medea and it was hard but I did have frenzy on so it might be easier with frenzy off.

[signal coral]

Better to just play what you find fun and the progress will come naturally

But if you want to look up weapons to focus on learning or whatever just peep a speedrun leaderboard

[digital juniper]

IMO unless you’re planning to run high fear (50+), you don’t need frenzy on, ever

but frenzy is quite fun when you get used to it

[signal coral]

Isn't frenzy good for speedrunning as well?

[obtuse schooner]

I already gotten used to Frenzy 1 being on. It is fun turning it off to and speed clearing zone since everything seems to move much slow now

[digital juniper]

oh yeah, it’s practically the only important vow, (besides shadow for UW)

but that was a niche so i didn’t bring it up

[digital juniper]

IMO when you decide to turn it on again, just go to frenzy 2 immediately and suffer through it until you’re used to it

frenzy 1->2 is just as big of a jump, so going from 0->2 saves you half the time of relearning things

[obtuse schooner]

I dunno. I felt like Frenzy 2 was too fast for me. Frezny 1 is just the right amount for me

[sage flame]

the hardest frenzy is doing a ||great chaos trial|| and getting frenzy 0 when you've ran frenzy 2 for most of EA

[digital juniper]

hey in the end it’s what you find fun, run whatever it is that you like

i’ve been running Frenzy 2 throughout EA and while it is difficult, going back to Frenzy 0 is pain

[obtuse schooner]

Also what is the equivalent of Aphrodite + Artemis combo in Hades 2? That used to be my go to build in Hades 1 when I just want to have an easy run

[signal coral]

I see chronos start a swing
I dodge
Swing takes 10 million years to come out and I get hit after my dodge ends

[sage flame]

LITERALLY

don't get me started on freeze

[cerulean panther]

Freeze extending enemy attack frames is so rough.

Especially after 800 hours of Dead Cells where frozen enemies are frozen.

[sage flame]

OR demeters gusts on (surface spoilers) ||Typhon's charge orb shot||

[cerulean panther]

Heinous Affront (Zeus/Ares Duo) + Light Smite.

[signal coral]

Frozen enemies having an active hitbox should not be a thing 😠

[sage flame]

that slows the attack projectile down enough to make me miss my dodge

[signal coral]

This is just like in silksong where you can stun an enemy and their stunned body will still be a giant double damage hitbox if you accidentally touch it

[obtuse schooner]

Alright I will try that

[signal coral]

That boon combo is very specific

Since it needs 3 gods

[digital juniper]

isn’t that Ares Zeus in H1? Arty Aphro was more crit damage against weak enemies

[signal coral]

If you just want an easy run zeus start works on most aspects and there are flexible ways to build after

[cerulean panther]

Oh, I was going for "Dummy easy run," since there's no crit Olympian.

[signal coral]

Zeus is just very strong since he has good boons and most of his duos are good as well

[digital juniper]

i’m surprised blitz wasn’t nerfed with 1.0 honestly

not that i want it to, but still surprised

[cerulean panther]

It got a 9 iron to the ankle in The Unseen Update.

[signal coral]

Blitz is probably harder for new players to use

[cerulean panther]

I'm surprised Aspect of Medea never saw a nerf.

[digital juniper]

i only started patch 11, what happened there?

[signal coral]

I think medea getting nerfed would be sad because its a very fun aspect

Also it is hard to play so new players won't feel the brokeness

[digital juniper]

i think it’s because the general consensus is that most people do not like Skull, and it’s mostly favored within the “top end” community

[signal coral]

And speedrunners still get to have their fun

[cerulean panther]

It doesn't need to be nerfed to Pan levels, it's just head/shoulders/half its torso above every other Aspect of the game.

[cerulean panther]

Base value and level nerfs.

[digital juniper]

so you’re saying pre unseen blitz did even more damage?

[cerulean panther]

I think Heaven Flourish went from 100/140/180/220 to 100/130/160/190.

[digital juniper]

i think those are heaven strike numbers

flourish starts at 130 iirc

[bronze flax]

Why am I struggling with Aspect of Medea?

It's broken, I have a great set and I fail so much with aiming lmao

[digital juniper]

i might be mistaken though

[digital juniper]

just getting used to how it plays and developing the muscle memory for it

it plays differently from every other aspect in the game so it’s normal

[sage flame]

zeus attack at least goes like 80/120 from common to rare, I rarified it like last night

which I think was changed from the previous patch

[cerulean panther]

It's definitely a higher-skill Aspect, but once you pass the skill floor its damage is quite incomparable.

[sage flame]

its a risky aspect, you just have to know when it's safe to actually go in and special, that's half the battle

[signal coral]

Once your build is online if you need safety you can take the heph boon that gives armor for 7 seconds

If your damage is high most regular rooms should be mostly dead by the time 7 seconds is over

[bronze flax]

I have Aphro on Attack, Zeus in Special, and I got Possessed Array

It can't be more online than that

Except I do, because I also have Secret Crush and Weed Killer

[signal coral]

Born gain?

[bronze flax]

Well, that's the "bad" part

Tranquil Gain

[tranquil shard]

Weirdly enough, Media is very intuitive for me while I stuggle with the other Skull aspects.

[digital juniper]

oh yeah possessed array kinda only goes online with born gain or flood gain

[digital juniper]

did you play H1? specifically aspect of beowulf?

[bronze flax]

Having to stop for a moment is a bit annoying, but wow, it is great damage

Ohh, and I also got that Medea Curse that gives you Magick on every encounter

[tranquil shard]

Yeah, I love H1, but I never found myself using Beowulf as frequently as I do Medea.

[sage flame]

tranquil gain is awesome tbh

[bronze flax]

It is a good level Tranquil Gain, so I don't have to stop that much

[sage flame]

big fan, same with ionic gain

[bronze flax]

I think it's more about momentum that other thing

[digital juniper]

i see, because they share some similarities in playstyle

[sage flame]

people hate on those two but I think overstate how much down time you have with ionic

[bronze flax]

Now I kinda get why Medea has such absurd bonuses? Without it, the reward for the learning curve wouldn't be quite there (still it probably needs to be toned down)

[cerulean panther]

I still think Tranquil Gain is the worst Gain in the game.

[bronze flax]

I use Tranquil Gain way more than Flood Gain

[sage flame]

I think all the gains are in a pretty good spot tbh

[bronze flax]

Lucid Gain is insane though

Yes, I'd like uhhhh 3 times the recover with Aspect of Momus and twice the recover with Aspect of Circe

[signal coral]

Im a born gain shill

[sage flame]

I don't go out of my way for lucid gain tbh unless im on charon or planning a cast build where I get winners circle

[digital juniper]

it’s all fun and games until you prime out in chronos

[signal coral]

How

Chronos is dead

[bronze flax]

With Cast builds and the 1.0 change, it is absurd, pretty splashable imo

[digital juniper]

happened to me once with moros in p2

[sage flame]

only really have to worry about priming out of you have hubris 2 and probably a boon that primes as well tbh

or if you hate max magick pickups

[signal coral]

I feel like if I have 200+ magick im fine vs typhon

[civic ocean]

It's possible to like nerf blitz but ultimately it is conceptually incredibly powerful

[signal coral]

And that guy has like twice the hp of chronos

[bronze flax]

Anyways, I like all skulls aspects, it's just that I am having a hard time having control on Medea one

[sage flame]

I've only really primed out on ||shiva|| tbh (hidden aspect spoils)

[bronze flax]

I guess this is why I like Persephone's Aspect the most tbh 😅

[civic ocean]

the main thing to worry about with born gain priming are your costs, it can get to like 50-60 mana per thing if it all stacks up and then its a worry about priming out

[cerulean panther]

Primed out against Typhon a while back with Moros before Plasma got capped.

[signal coral]

I feel like if you are worried about priming out you just need to find more magick and it solves it

Since born gain scales quadratically with magick

At some point it just becomes infinite magick

[digital juniper]

yeah if you go born gain and know your build could spend a lot of magick, make sure you have a ton of max magick and/or have a high level born gain

[signal coral]

Usually hecuba and not skipping magick rewards is enough unless youre on high fear I think

Can compensate a bit and take wheel if you need to

[digital juniper]

yeah as long as you’re actively considering your magick you can be fine

but i goofed up in that run and primed out on moros mid p2 chronos

specialed my way into a clear though

[sage flame]

priming out is also hard now cause hecate keepsake exists

feel like you may need a magick boost just in case? silver wheel is there for you

[spare breach]

Can you godsent selene aspect hex?

[cerulean panther]

Yes, it's Ares.

[deft adder]

what should i do after first victory

[mint nexus]

I’m doing Aspect of Pan Wave Flourish build, should I get Dancing Knives (+15% special damage and hits bounce towards 2 more foes), Hidden knives (+20% special damage and +3 omega special shots) or Melting Sickle (+500 special armor damage)

[spare breach]

Another question, what is the best pet for circe staff? Is it the doggo?

[signal coral]

I usually use raki

[signal grail]

I just got raki I fw that little bird

[digital juniper]

you really don’t need that much magick for circe, i would go with toula (early game damage and DD) or any of the other defensive pets

even if you decide to do an ocast circe build, just a bit of max magick and a decent gain is more than enough to keep it up

[signal coral]

Toula requires too much micromanagement to get her to actually stand on the enemy and I am stupid

Therefore I use the bird

[spare breach]

I never use toula cus of Strength

[digital juniper]

yeah raki is usually pretty good at getting on top of enemies

[mint nexus]

Does dancing knives even work with wave flourish?

[median pawn]

which keepsake and duo boon should I go for when playing supay

[dreamy inlet]

how dose "Drunken Stupor" work exactly? it says it inflicts hangover on the first time it hits

after that its gone or refreshes on every cast?..

man wording needs to be so much more clear in this game when it comes to mechanichs

[signal coral]

I think people usually start poseidon dash and then build is flexible from there

You probably want a gain soonish because the aspect uses mana pretty quickly

[digital juniper]

isn’t ospecial kind of a nerf? oattack is good though

[signal coral]

What do you mean nerf?

[median pawn]

I was going for hubris fear... is it magick reliant

[digital juniper]

ospec on supay makes the balls travel a further distance away from mel, which since you want to be ramming into enemies with pos sprint, it’s a nerf in terms of damage on the enemy you’re hitting right now

[median pawn]

also I finished at 16 fear both surface and under, now it says conquer surface 24 and 32 under is done

[signal coral]

More aoe for room clear and you can technically do both by running in and out

[median pawn]

should I do 32 surface or 24 now

[digital juniper]

i think they’re almost as hard as eachother, there’s no correct order other than what you prefer

surface by nature is decently harder, which is why it’s 24f

[median pawn]

do I get the statue with 24 surface

[digital juniper]

no, you need both done

[median pawn]

alright ty

[visual moat]

Keep getting defeated very badly on 16 heat with the staff regardless of what I do what's your favourite or whats ol reliable cause this is loss after loss after loss and it's not fun

[digital juniper]

circe staff is ol reliable tbh, it’s a pretty safe aspect

maybe your fear setup is harder than it could be?

[visual moat]

I have it on Vow of Rivals, Vow of Grit and Vow of Hordes

[digital juniper]

Rivals is up to you, it’s a decent bit of fear for a harder boss fight

grit and hordes are notoriously some of the hardest vows

[median pawn]

circe storm ring

[visual moat]

Oops i didn't even know that thanks for the tip

[digital juniper]

what weapon/aspect are you using? i could suggest the easiest possible 16 fear setup for that if you’d like

[visual moat]

Aspect of Momus

[digital juniper]

how long do your clears take? to my playstyle, vow of time is the freest vow for me

[bronze pine]

Grit is probably one the hardest ones tbh. It prevents a lot of one shots on certain things so you have to invest more time/effort. Horde is weapon dependant.

[digital juniper]

hordes and grit together is probably the worst combo in the game difficulty wise, not to mention the extra health on bosses from grit

[bronze pine]

Yeah the one that gives shield and extra life I find unfun. Hordes okay for me by itself.

[digital juniper]

wards can either be soemthing you don’t realize is on(fast attacking weapons) or your worst nightmare pun intended on a slow attacking weapon

[signal coral]

Im still meta scaling on my fresh file but I did 16 fear. I think my setup was just max frenzy + time + armored enemies have perks.

Im used to frenzy and timer 3 though

But timer 2 should be free for most people even if you are not used to going fast

[digital juniper]

yeah it’s just the fear brainrot where frenzy 2 is just an automatic turn on

for a player who isn’t willing to push fear they probably never will touch frenzy

but i’m in a similar boat, i don’t think ive turned off timer 3 since i unlocked the oath in EA

[spiral wadi]

yea timer 2 is super free

timer 3 still a struggle but thankfully not as much in 1.0

[signal coral]

Im still not on high fear yet but somehow 1.0 seems easier for timer

Before I paid attention to it but right now im not even looking at the timer and im never in danger of timing out

[spiral wadi]

ye, i think it helps with the new keepsakes and also i like that oceanus got new layouts that are nicely sized rather than getting the big rooms frequently

i still hate the sea serpent spam when they keep popping out and in at random locations, it's not fun

[signal coral]

Except my first ||supay|| run where I almost timed out in erebus because I had no idea how to play the aspect

[spiral wadi]

ye supay's funky

[signal coral]

I did only have rank 1

But also I didn't realize I had to actually use omega moves on it lol

I thought you just ran around

[rich belfry]

Nergal dmg goes for % ?

[elfin forge]

nergal has high base power, yeah

[rich belfry]

Good ,so zeus hera Ares boons good for him

I wanna beat the surface with 20 fear with it but I cant its so hard with rivals typhon

Cause when chronos does the spell on me I just get hit inside the circle and always die

Does the circle progression go down if I was outside it ?

And im going with strength with it so ima change it to death

[elfin forge]

no it just stops

If you want to beat 20 fear in general, switching off of rivals will make things a lot easier

[rich belfry]

Yeah lol but I wanna beat them with it loolll

[rich belfry]

Good so ima stop sitting inside it all the time

[elfin forge]

idk I think you should just do the circle asap.

[rich belfry]

Im trying to finish the game with rivals on i guess its fun

[rich belfry]

Man they hit so hard and I die

I cant dodge it idk how chronos target exactly where I go after dodging typhon attacks

[elfin forge]

it's like 20 seconds if you do it right

[oblique elk]

i currently have trick knives equipped, if i take a chaos boon that makes me take dmg everytime i use specials, will my dash strike dmg me? edit: tested myself and no it does not dmg me

[tawdry mauve]

omg i just got an infernal contract right before the eris fight on thessaly i did not know it showed up there

[frank creek]

i never had a charon aspect run

what would you guys recomend besides meatgrinder? What keepsake should is start?

[signal coral]

The meta start is Apollo gain

Afterwards be flexible

You want origination active and gods that have an omega cast buff are generally good

[digital juniper]

apollo gain, apollo or hera special are very good, other than that his legendary is also good, the ospecial hammers are great, poseidon purely for Geyser Spout

[rich belfry]

Oh man me 2
I wanna try this aspect I never played with it

[digital juniper]

it’s a very fun aspect

[rich belfry]

Next run will be with it

[tawdry mauve]

i go for aphrodite special and demeter omega cast bonus damage and explode<3

[half cipher]

I don't understand why you'd ever take Personal Loan from Dionysus, is there an opportunity to shop between Prometheus and Typhon?

[elfin forge]

the... fountain hermes shop after prom? The big shop before typhon?

[half cipher]

I've only reached Typhon once so I'm probably missing something yeah

Just wondering thanks

[elfin forge]

yup

[sterile estuary]

Anybody have takes on what the best Daedalus hammers for nyx misslefists are?

I have rapid frame, ripper rockets and siege frame and purple Poseidon attack so far

[digital juniper]

the one that makes your dash attack hit +3 times is great, so is launcher frame

[sterile estuary]

Don't have either of those here unfortunately, I guess I'll just buff my attacks

Thank you though

Also very good killua. All Killuas are good but you picked a particularly good one

[digital juniper]

oh yeah this was more in general for Nyx

what you have currently is quite good

[digital juniper]

haha thank you! i love HxH but the reason i picked this frame in specific is because it’s matches the light blue of a role color i have in another server

[sterile estuary]

Makes sense, my main server roles are usually yellow

[lime moth]

Chat, I need like, a very VERY high damage build.

I main nergal btw

Trying to try new builds, I mostly main with Hera

[viral yew]

Moros with aphro attack and zeus special

[visual moat]

My controller and hands are getting so hot despite it being the end of september

I had a good run but had to give it up due to needing to dome errands

[frank creek]

Thanks a lot will start my run

[winged zinc]

anyone have a good torch build?

[hexed spade]

looks like island getaway works with glamour gain, nice

[bright lodge]

Finally got my hands on the Black Coat. I was told it was the closest thing to the fists, it's def not the same gameplay. I miss mashing x and a while I make sure to position well ;w; After enough time playing this game im not a fan of the nerf to dashing compaired to the first game. Still love the game tho.

[hexed spade]

If it makes you feel better I have over 100 hours in and the coat still never clicked with me, it's not like the fist at all.

[bright lodge]

it does help to know im not the only one who's a bit disappointed. Only weapon that's really clicked with me so far is the torches, but I just can't help but feel like it'd be more fun if I had the old dash

[hexed spade]

Torches to me is the weapon that eventually has insane damage, and the sooner you let go of H1 dash the better it feels 🫡

[elfin forge]

black coat's thing is that you want to mash punches and missiles at the same time

[hexed spade]

Hestia attack + Zeus Special is a start for torches

[viral yew]

If you're going to play the whole game wishing it was more like the first you'll have a terrible time

[bright lodge]

I mean, again im enjoying myself and it's not like I think about it the whole time im playing. It just pops in like "I could have dodged that in H1 with the dash" Def still love the game like I said

[elfin forge]

it's kind of hard to say for me because I don't like Hades 1's combat

Hades 2 gives you a lot more options for crowd control, I think

[bright lodge]

oh for sure

[elfin forge]

cast, omegas, and lots of curses like Weak, Daze, Hitch, and Freeze

it feels more reliable that I can hack up a group of enemies with explosions and stuff, and less aggravation with armored enemies

I really despised armored enemies in H1 lol, but they're not so bad here

[sudden belfry]

ok chat before i take on this ||shark looking miniboss at the summit|| gimme some tips bc it kicked my ass last time

[elfin forge]

He has 2 attacks. Charge, and melee combo.
Melee combo, stand behind him a lot
Charge, stand behind him, then charge in.
Never be in front of him.

[viral yew]

The cast alone puts hades 2 above hades 1

[sudden belfry]

gotcha gotcha!!

[elfin forge]

I love love love the cast button, yup

it even debuffs for more damage like the H1 cast did!

[bright lodge]

I personally dislike the cast just as much as I disliked the H1 cast

[viral yew]

Seriously

It's a very important part of the kit

[bright lodge]

it dosen't last anywhere near long enough by default

[viral yew]

It lasts for ages what

[elfin forge]

I find it lasts too long for my purposes lol

I've already mashed the pack up into paste and moved on, and I want my cast to freeze these next dudes

[bright lodge]

If I could customize it i'd make it last like double the time but make it so pressing the button again ends it early at the cost of mana to place it elsewhere

[elfin forge]

I don't usually omega cast tbh

[elfin forge]

cast: traps enemies. Gives you more damage on trapped enemies. Easily mass applies curses with a god boon. Can be done during other attacks, so it doesn't take time.

[weak vessel]

I love Cast with Glowing Coal so much i try to get it in every playthrough

[elfin forge]

the only downside is that the cast isn't ranged innately, you need a boon for that, but even then it's fine most of the time

[weak vessel]

I just don't like the idea of them by default casting at where you're standing

[elfin forge]

it's not that bad I think. I cast, then dash out, and let them go into the circle and beat them up

Hades 2 still encourages you to play very close ranged

[bright lodge]

I personally do love that part, it reminds me of the Aspect of Arthur from H1 which I do love

my main 3 H1 weapons were Arthur Sword, Default Fists, and Chaos Shield. I had such fun with those

[elfin forge]

I suppose the base cast can be underwhelming, but almost any cast boon will make them super good, like Hestia, Demeter, Aphro, or Hera

[weak vessel]

I like a bit of range on my Cast, Cast deals a lot of damage with a boon that gives it damage over time

[elfin forge]

yeah, especially for 0 mana cost

[weak vessel]

It's a good cc as well

It's my get out of jail free card

[sudden belfry]

beat the ||tail miniboss|| on the first tryyyy

[weak vessel]

That's awesome

[elfin forge]

noice noice! you're done!

[bright lodge]

the main thing I ever use it for is to keep from getting swarmed by hoards of smaller enemies like the fish in Oceanus

[sudden belfry]

IM DONE? WHAT?

[elfin forge]

yup! definitely!

just uh, walk through those doors and see what happens

[weak vessel]

Btw did they nerfed Chronos in the full release? Because in early access i wasn't able to beat him, now I can body him with any weapons

[sudden belfry]

i dont trust that

[elfin forge]

he's been tweaked a lot, but I don't think he's been nerfed

[viral yew]

You shouldn't

[elfin forge]

yeah they added a lot of fast annoying melee enemies to encourage using your cast.
good skill to learn though, you should basically have it down somewhere 100% of the time

[random crane]

Hi is it just me that frenzy lvl1 feels like it's faster than in early access? No way its nat fast for extra 20%

[weak vessel]

Glowing Coal my beloved, it instant-kill those creatures

[viral yew]

Max frenzy still feels the same to me

[random crane]

Hmm strange

[elfin forge]

idk I can't notice a difference

[bright lodge]

yea, that's what my gf has been saying but every time I'm trying to do that I take way more hits instead of just focusing on dodging and attacking. I guess I just have a skill issue since I seem to be alone in not caring for the cast

[elfin forge]

maybe it's a controller thing and it's on a weird button, idk

I love pressing q since it's my grenade button in a ton of games

[sudden belfry]

||NO HEALTH BAR ARE YOU DEADASS
i think i did pretty good for my first try tho! zeus showed up once||

[strong linden]

What are some of your favorite weapons/aspects?

[viral yew]

You got more than halfway then

[weak vessel]

It's quite easy to forget about it, but it will do you no harm if you spam it, Cast overall is gud and free

[sudden belfry]

AAAGH I BET I WAS SO CLOSE...

[viral yew]

Did he throw out the eggs after zeus showed up?

[sudden belfry]

yeah

[viral yew]

You were more than 75% of the way there lmao

[elfin forge]

60%

[viral yew]

He has 4 phases, first egg throw, zeus, second egg throw, and then death

[elfin forge]

eggs2 occurs at about 38% I think

[viral yew]

Oh is it not a full quarter for each?

[elfin forge]

nope, last is biggest

[viral yew]

Damn i always though it was equal

[weak vessel]

The 2nd phase lazer attack caught me by surprised because of how fast and hard it hits, so do be careful about that

[elfin forge]

his tongue has no hitbox

[weak vessel]

Wow and i never realized that, thanks for making it easier for me to deal with it x'D

[viral yew]

Yeah just stand on his chin during that you'll be fine

[cosmic steppe]

bro it's so bizarre

hadnt touched shiva since its launch why its lowkey usable

[elfin forge]

they buffed it hella

[cosmic steppe]

Also it's both funny and unfunny at the same time how i got kingtide with Poseidon as my secondary god twice today and both times I went for premium service as well as the run I went for sanguinary savor I ended up with grand total of 2 boons from the respective god

[dusty ember]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1147736016480895067/1422385256580780053/image.png?ex=68dc7aff&is=68db297f&hm=65253cc584e2e0208a5713e150a92521a7714b5b8d468851b46c168dfc3c3311&

im 3 minutes in

[cosmic steppe]

Excellence?

[dusty ember]

zeus legendary

in erebus lol

[cosmic steppe]

Do u have the legendary chance arcana

[dusty ember]

idk

i dont

[cosmic steppe]

Anyways I'm never finishing the legendary prophecy it seems

[spiral wadi]

i still haven't gotten fire away and i never will

zero incentive

[sudden belfry]

the coat is so incredibly cheese i cant help but keep using it every night

i NEED to try something new but I Dont Want To.

[cosmic steppe]

Im VERY positive I've had her legendary sprint boon and now fire away is unchecked, I'm so robbed it's crazy

[spiral wadi]

her sprint in warsong was changed to her lego in unseen patch

[cosmic steppe]

I know but I hate going for Legos in general, hers specifically, the sprint one took its toll on me and it's in vain bc I need the other one for prophecy

[spiral wadi]

yea tru

[cosmic steppe]

I was very hooked on Medea Selene and Morgan/Artemis and thought I'm never gonna unironically like any other weapon

[spiral wadi]

legendaries are kinda just unfortunately not incentivized to get, like they're strong but not like "this will pivot your entire run"

[cosmic steppe]

But I just binged 0 fear story progression for 6 hrs

And apparently Anubis momus shiva hel and supay are very pog

[digital juniper]

only one i can see makes the list is apollo leggo with some builds

[viral yew]

Yeah duos and legendaries feel more supportive in this game

[cosmic steppe]

Still liked the pre-unseen Mel torches more though as far as that weapon goes

[spiral wadi]

hey some duos are actually pivotal at least

[sudden belfry]

just got ares for the first time and am using aspect of pan, what should i go for? (hes offering attack, cast, and dash)

[spiral wadi]

i would say dash cuz ur gonna be near enemies

tho attack can also give wounds t2 boons like 200% or plasma

ares dash also scales weirdly with poms

like at common it'll be x2 dmg at lv2

[sudden belfry]

its rare rn but so is attack

[digital juniper]

grievous blow my beloved

[cosmic steppe]

I'm only running pan in underworld and I reset if I don't get the charge speed dress, it's ruined to me otherwise

[spiral wadi]

i'd personally just get dash and prioritize another god's atk/spec

[sudden belfry]

kk!

[signal coral]

at lower fear levels pan special is completely fine

[dusty ember]

I took all legendaries in hades 1 thinking there was an achievement but there wasn't lol

[signal coral]

frenzy 2 can be hard to channel though

but also a few patches ago there was a revolutionary high fear pan tech that got discovered

instead of needing to channel special, if you find trick knives you can just trap enemies in your cast and spam dash attack

and then pan becomes one of the strongest aspects in the game

fairly hammer dependent though

[dusty ember]

Dash attack?

Isnt the point of pan to use your special?

[signal coral]

with trick knives hammer, dash attack shoots 3 specials

[dusty ember]

Oh

[signal coral]

without needing to channel

the special channel on pan is like ungodly slow

[dusty ember]

I miss old pan

[zinc hill]

what did i do to piss of selene, she wont give me heph godsent

[dusty ember]

Whats that one again?

[zinc hill]

wdym? need it for a prophecy

its basically something for ur hex/hex duo

[dusty ember]

I dont play the game in english

[grave parcel]

Just had a hilarious first run with Aspect of Nyx where I had Worry Free from Dionysus and couldn't see my own life while fighting ||Typhon||. Surprisingly lived up to the name

[elfin forge]

you need wolf howl

[ember portal]

which gods do i pick for the umbral flames?

[elfin forge]

after that, equip heph keepsake

[grave parcel]

Wave strike really is perfect on Nyx

[elfin forge]

I like hestia special better

[zinc hill]

yeah but she wont give it to me lol

have heph keepsake coz i need 2 of his duos

[elfin forge]

rip rip rip

[zinc hill]

im just unlucky lol

[grave parcel]

I'll try that next. I barely used my special. I had super speed and just did hit and run on Prometheus

[zinc hill]

been 5 runs using all my death defiances and echo still wont give me the boon

[elfin forge]

on nyx, you might want to bind "autofire" to let you spam special rockets while moving

it does high damage at mid range and is mobile, very good

obviously you can do the classic of comboing attack and special at the same time, too

[weak vessel]

Do you guys prefer death or strength?

[grave parcel]

Death

[elfin forge]

strength

[zinc hill]

strength

[dusty ember]

You mean the arcanas?

[weak vessel]

Yes the arcanas

[dusty ember]

It depends

If im running higher fear death is safer but on lower, strength is just more powerful

[inland pumice]

any good attack boon for basic daggers ? I'm hesitating between hestia and apollo for now

[elfin forge]

maybe poseidon

[weak vessel]

I had been on death for quite a while until recently, i have been trying strength and strength feels good xD
Especially with all the upgrades, i mean -40% damage is just massive

[inland pumice]

poseidon is the pushback one right ? is it any use against guardians or bosses ?

[dusty ember]

Strength is really good

It also allows you to actually use athena's keepsake

[elfin forge]

every swing will do a flat wave of damage

[zinc hill]

i like aphro on basic daggers for attack

[shadow crane]

I just had my first crimson dress run guys

[inland pumice]

how good to know (about poseidon)
I considered aphro but I'm not very confident about playing up close yet and tend to take things like "bigger" attack or range

I guess zeus would also work decently on the daggers ?

[elfin forge]

zeus should not be your main god, have him be a secondary

[inland pumice]

true, when you say that I guess poseidon is indeed a tempting choice

[elfin forge]

Zeus is incredibly strong, but alone, his base damage is weak

[inland pumice]

and I dont really like apollo's boons apart from the "bigger and badder" attack

[elfin forge]

the idea is you apply blitz, then you use your other button, which is stronger, to do damage and also pop the blitz

[grave parcel]

I completely upgraded death first and haven't touched strength. I know the game well enough now that I should try it

[dusty ember]

Not basic attack but static shock is pretty good

[elfin forge]

I think it makes room clearing a lot less punishing

[inland pumice]

does "scorch" damage stack infinitely ? I'm not sure I understand the tooltip

[weak vessel]

If you have gotten good enough strength feels very good to play, death still remains great, mostly saving you from bad rng imo

[elfin forge]

tldr on scorch:
You apply 50 scorch with 1 hit. The enemy now has 50 scorch. This will wear off in 0.5 seconds, dealing 50 damage.
Scorch caps at 999. You apply 1500 scorch with 1 hit. The enemy now has 999 scorch. This will wear off in about 10 seconds, dealing 999 damage.
Scorch is per hit, so if you attack fast, you apply scorch fast, stacking it up
Pyro Technique will speed up how fast scorch burns off.
Let's say you have +100% burn speed from Pyro. You apply 999 scorch. This will wear off in 5 seconds, dealing 999 damage.
Now let's say you have a 50% damage buff, like from Origination. 999 Scorch will wear off in 5 seconds, dealing ~1500 damage

[grave parcel]

I still had some minibosses I hadn't seen on the surface. But I've won 2 surface runs now and feeling prepared

[grave parcel]

I just spam hexes to help

[weak vessel]

Hexes my beloved

[grave parcel]

Always taking Selene's keepsake in the second area

[weak vessel]

Tho i dislike damage hex aside from one that make you fly up

That one is my get out of bad positioning free card

[grave parcel]

I just had the godsent version of that for the first time. Helped a ton to win the run

Hestia's godsent total eclipse is pretty absurd too

[weak vessel]

Indeed

[dusty ember]

I love lunar ray

Specially when buffed by apollo

[spiral wadi]

hey so why does glorious disaster make omega cast not omega cast until i put the 45 magick

[elfin forge]

that's how cast works

you put the cast down, then it becomes omega after the channel

[spiral wadi]

wait so the 15 initial charge does nothing then it forces me to do it again for 45

otherwise no omega

impeccable game design

[elfin forge]

uh lemme see

[spiral wadi]

i literally just got glorious disaster and that's how it's working for me

[elfin forge]

rip

[dusty ember]

Maybe thats a bug

[signal coral]

its how it works unfortunately
it sux

[spiral wadi]

lame af

[ember portal]

what gods do i use for moonstone?

[elfin forge]

aphro or apollo attack, traditionally

[civic lake]

Skull's Special doesn't proc romantic spark, right?

[elfin forge]

no

[civic lake]

Damn maybe they should buff medea

[elfin forge]

that's what I'm saying, you're absolutely spitting

[civic lake]

Playing medea is fun but flying enemies annoy me, I keep thinking their hitbox is higher vertically, it's weird

[stable herald]

holy moly, they buffed the hell out of Than Axe in 1.0, this is amazing

[elfin forge]

yup

[grave parcel]

Oof. Lost my first strength run by taking damage during Prometheus' 6 fire memory attack which I never do. I liked how it felt up to that point though

Nyx was pretty great with hestia special

[elfin forge]

the duped up rockets just crank scorch super fast

[grave parcel]

Yeah, I was melting everything before that including Prometheus

[glass wraith]

When Typhon does his tongue whip attack, is hugging/getting close to him a blind spot for that attack?

[grave parcel]

And had Demeter's godsent phase shift

[elfin forge]

yes

[glass wraith]

Nice to note, thanks!

[grave parcel]

Is it intended for the spawns to stay around during Prometheus memory attacks? That's what threw me off and why I took damage during it. I've not seen them do that before

[rich belfry]

wdym, with what aspect ?

[grave parcel]

Nyx

[elfin forge]

if you hit them they stay longer

[hushed rune]

Anyone have any tips for getting to Chronos with an Arachne outfit?

[elfin forge]

arachne keepsake, heph boons

[hushed rune]

Ty ^^

[grave parcel]

So I can blame the chaos of rocket spam

[cunning furnace]

cast or special

I main aspect of mel torch with special for the past ~50 runs but i kinda suck

[left sentinel]

Enjoying aspect of mel staff with aphro special, ares attack... but it feels like it drops off unless I get the "two specials, -40% range" hammer. Since Im generally alternating attack to special, maybe I should enable Huntress again 🤔

[uneven palm]

Imo Zeus attack on that setup scales harder if you’re unlucky with hammers. With some damage boosts dash-strike special pops Blitz

[left sentinel]

Ill try that out tomorrow, ty!

[spiral wadi]

they never fixed boulders having frame 1 damage if they happen to spawn on top of u

oceanus still sucks

[sour cape]

Whats a good serup for the jetpack?

The special feels really slow and innacurate 😂

But its so cool!

[elfin forge]

zeus attack, hestia special maybe

do both attack and special

[spiral wadi]

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1422436893932654683/clip_1759205664425.mp4 || (em4 uw) ding dong

[viral yew]

I love how hard chronos tries to chase you round but fails every time

[spiral wadi]

bro's too slow

[civic ocean]

when he pulls out the mario kart double dash its spooky

[upper mountain]

What’s a good build for Supay?

[elfin forge]

hestia special any attack basically, something like hestia gain
omega special

[median bramble]

I love going Zeus to get chain lightning plus air quality, then add Demeter gusts and that's a lot of hits doing 50 a piece

[grizzled dock]

Would appreciate it greatly if someone could answer a quick question I have. Does anyone know if Blitz( or even poseidons waves) scale with modifiers like +special attack%? Like if I had "Special attacks apply Blitz" and then got the chaos boon to increase Special dmg%. Thanks!

[spiral wadi]

special damage will only apply to your weapon's special damage, blitz is a separate curse effect so it won't get buffed by special %

it does receive buffs from any global damage or olympian modifiers

[elfin forge]

no

[grizzled dock]

Ok perfect thank you. So it functions like when Aphrodite's boon gives me +% to dmg.

[spiral wadi]

yep, then ur weapon's damage will be both aphro's % with any additional % from like chaos or smth else

u can also only have one strike and one flourish boon per run since they're core boons

[sour cape]

Hestia + Zeus air quality always a good build

Air quality works with tons of stuff

[junior trail]

Scorch isnt affected by air quality

[sour cape]

Oh it isnt? 😭

[junior trail]

Later update stuff iirc, also scorch cant crit

[sour cape]

Well Air Quality + Demeter 🫠

Is always good

[trail python]

447/450 coin for a boon ):

[vocal spear]

Dunno where to put this, but Xinth Nyx aspect & Hephy Dash have anti-synergy, lol

you'd think the blast would go off when you crash with the omega dash, but nope, it looks like the game only checks for targets immediately after you dash

[elfin forge]

that's so lame

[vocal spear]

yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyep, was really excited to try and make this aspect shine, but back to the drawing board lol

[wide glen]

For the Moros flames, does the blast count as Attack damage or Special damage for the purposes of boons?

[elfin forge]

explosions? attack

[vague zinc]

I love how in this game they made it so running with NO Death Defiance is actually viable. I don't think it was so in Hades I, but Strength is just such a fun alternative that forces you to also get better

Also hilarious with Aspect of Nergal Axe

[elfin forge]

yeah Strength is an awesome addition

[vague zinc]

I haven't even fully upgraded Strength

stacking damage reduction is very funny

[acoustic sandal]

Hey so I'm having trouble understanding the Persephone aspect, was just wondering if anyone understands how the Sprouted keyword worked

[vague zinc]

And aspect of nergal with spectral whirlwind hammer upgrade just gets you some very funny numbers for health regen, also + the hammer that makes ur attacks faster

[vague zinc]

So, you charge a gauge in the bottom left corner of your screen where ur health and mana is by dealing damage from olympian boons, say ares blades, blitz from zeus or poseidon on hit effects, that charges the gauge

And the more the gauge is charged when you use your O-Special, the longer it lasts

By up to 2 seconds

[acoustic sandal]

Huh, y'know I noticed the gauge but never actually noticed it filling

[elfin forge]

it's multiplicative so unfortunately diminishing returns

[acoustic sandal]

That makes a lot of sense, thank you!

[vague zinc]

If you were testing with Skelly, it couldn't have since you had no boons. Would be cool if they let us apply boons in the training area for experimentation!

[vague zinc]

What about heph boon that reduces the damage you take by a flat amount?

[crystal lantern]

Any good builds for staff? Any aspect but I’m struggling with 20 fear. I get to typhoon each time but die

[acoustic sandal]

A cast build with circe is a lot of fun

[elfin forge]

that does work fortunately, but damage min is still 1

[vague zinc]

Not the worst damage you could take! Though maybe a mix of just Strength and a dodge build would be more viable in this case?

I've never actually tried dodge builds, just randomly took dodge boons and they were quite good

[acoustic sandal]

The Aphrodite infusion, hermes dodge and hestia dodge boons would work

Then add in daze and it's a lot of layers of protection

[elfin forge]

that'd probably be the strat

armor stacking isn't that effective because armor doesn't benefit from strength damage resist

[vague zinc]

Ohh, interesting

[elfin forge]

and probably all other forms of DR, if I had to guess

[vague zinc]

I do want to get that Arachne silk armor achievement at some point tho

[acoustic sandal]

Does it charge more proportional to the damage dealt?

[vague zinc]

I am actually not sure if it charges by damage or by instance of hit

Good question

[crystal lantern]

Zeus cast with who else ?

[analog ether]

Damage.

[vague zinc]

Ooh! Thanks

[analog ether]

A single Heph blast will fill a big chunk of the gauge.

[acoustic sandal]

Demeter/ares, rapid hitting damage goes really well with air quality from zeus

[elfin forge]

raki familiar probably
add in hitch, blitz, demeter via other core boons I think

[vague zinc]

gotta love air quality

[elfin forge]

yeah air quality, static shock

[acoustic sandal]

Apollo is also nice for super nova and lucid gain

[vague zinc]

I gotta try Circe out, I was initially a Momus fan and now I love Anubis the most

[elfin forge]

circe is anubis but easier, imo. both are about creating passive circles of death

[analog ether]

Prom flare is also a good add-on, if you feel like doing Omega Cast with Circe.

[vague zinc]

But Circe relies on your Familiar though, how reliable are they in positioning? I figure one that actively attacks is the best, so Raki like you said above?

[acoustic sandal]

Prom flare breaks my game on switch, causes issues with visual effects not showing up, including certain attack telegraphs

[elfin forge]

yeah, Raki or Toula. They're usually on the enemy

[acoustic sandal]

Hecuba sticks near you most of the time

[analog ether]

Oh, you're playing Switch? Good luck.

[vague zinc]

I noticed that the difficult part of Anubis is positioning the omega attack into the attack circle

But the amount of hits it does is insane. I'll give Circe a try

[vague zinc]

Ooh. I see. I actually have trouble following their movements with everything happening on screen lol

[acoustic sandal]

Unfortunately aimed casts like glowing coal and lightning lance only applies to your cast

Doesn't work on the familiar's

[vague zinc]

That's to be expected ig. Not necessarily a bad thing

[acoustic sandal]

Yeah

[vague zinc]

And as u said, with apollo you control more area with super nova

[acoustic sandal]

You're still gonna get plenty of damage off it regardless

[elfin forge]

I don't really like it, it's too much work

[vague zinc]

I enjoy seeing everything melt despite that, but maybe I just didn't play Circe yet to have a point of comparison hehe

[elfin forge]

they're about the same except circe is smoother, I think

[analog ether]

Zeus attack go "BZZZT!"

[vague zinc]

Yeah, plus the zeus boon that gives you onhit chain lightning and air quality

makes it very funny. add zeus cast into the mix and enemies disappear

The problem is I always seem to get hit and have no clue where from, when I play anubis

[acoustic sandal]

Zeus attack on the flames with hestia gain is also really fun

[vague zinc]

I was almost close to getting that

[analog ether]

I actually love pairing it with Hestia cast. And Demeter special. Thermal Dynamics means you get huge Scorch stacks fast.

[vague zinc]

All of my anubis runs so far have been pretty unlucky and I could clear f10 despite that, nearly cleared f12. I also still suck with positioning with it still

Thermal Dynamics does sound strong as hell

[acoustic sandal]

Hestia and Aphrodite is also good

[languid rock]

Hey so I'm trying to get the "dressed to" achievement, and I swear I haven't lost all armor at any point but somehow Mel's back to her original outfit. Does getting a Heph boon before the dress mean the Heph armor is the last to get "worn out", instead of the dress?

[spiral wadi]

if armor doesn't drop to 0 it shouldn't cause u to lose the dress

[civic ocean]

I don't have exact knowledge of how it works but long story short yes

MOST armor sources will protect your dress but not all of them do

[turbid parrot]

anubis feels kinda weird, one room i feel like i do inf dmg, next i do nothing

[verbal tapir]

Guys. I dont know if its the right post here.

Im so bad at this game. I havent beat chronos yet, just cant survive his second phase and im at night 23 or so... have unlocked the recipe for familiars..... So i guess in just really bad?

[surreal hazel]

That's not an abnormal progression

you have been upgrading your grasp and unlocking arcana, right?

[verbal tapir]

Yes sure. I have even upgraded some Arcanas. Im just bad, lmao 🙁

[warped egret]

Maybe check your arcana loadout? His phase 2 is a lot of remembering to go to safe spots

[surreal hazel]

You just need to learn the moves, I'm guessing you aren't getting instakilled now

[fading dew]

Wouldn't aspect of circe be kinda nice if I like to use cast boons?

[surreal hazel]

it would be very nice, yes

[fading dew]

Cool. Now I just need to get long enough to get marbles, rofl. Is that like, the third zone in the overworld?

[surreal hazel]

Marble? No, Fourth underworld zone

[fading dew]

Really? I see, good to know. Thanks

I don't have access to every arcane yet.. but, uhh, is double dash not a thing in this game?

[surreal hazel]

It is not

[fading dew]

Hmm. Does that mean H2 is harder than H1? 🤔

[surreal hazel]

Closest you get is a hermes boon that reduces the recovery

[surreal hazel]

Highly subjective. The game is designed around a single dash

[stable herald]

imo H2 is technically harder, but you can also become a lot stronger

it's a much more complex game, is the best way to put it

[surreal hazel]

Learn to actually dodge

[fading dew]

I see.
Imo, it kinda seems harder than H1... Though, may just because I've already done H1, but need to get used to H2, Idk

[surreal hazel]

I mean I guess you kinda get a double dash if you use The Messenger to make your cast button a sorta dodge

[surreal hazel]

that is absolutely a thing, everything feels rock hard at first, but Hades1 did too

[stable herald]

yeah some H1 habits will not help you in H2... and vice versa, I tried a new file in H1 after playing so much 2 and it was a struggle

[fading dew]

I did manage to get to Chronos on 1 DD, but took a few tries. At first it felt like I was stuck at the 2nd zone boss. All the AoE kinda surprised me x)

[surreal hazel]

Scylla is hard

everyone gets stuck there for a bit

[fading dew]

The Arachne NPC in the first zone, does the passive effect vanish when the armor breaks?

[stable herald]

Correct

[fading dew]

Oof... 10 armor isn't a whole lot 😅

[surreal hazel]

Have a word with your friendly local god of the forge

[fading dew]

The one who usually give me high dmg but high cd boons?

[surreal hazel]

that guy who also has three different armour boons, yes

[fading dew]

I see

What type of boons is good to go for if I want to ake Chaos tunnels?

[vernal scroll]

You should just prioritize centaur hearts if you're wanting to use Chaos portals

That and uhhhh the Arcana card with Prometheus

[surreal hazel]

only way to really get more of those is to buy Sparks of Ixion

and play the underworld more

[fading dew]

I see

[vernal scroll]

I've beaten Chronos exactly once and I have about 150 runs...

I usually choke when Chronos has 1/8 health

[surreal hazel]

150 runs?

[fading dew]

I'm on my, 23rd or something, and the most I've gotten is the 2nd phase of Chronos

[vernal scroll]

Sometimes it was just for prophecy list hunting tbf

And chaos trials are lumped into that too

I don't get to game a whole lot like I used to so the cycle of playing Hades usually goes like

1. pick the game back up and spend 5-10 runs choking hard on the 2nd area
2. get better and make it to the end consistently
3. choke at the very end of the final boss because I get sloppy

Then I set it down and get rusty again, rinse and repeat forever

[bleak gale]

Don't ever use Night Bloom against Phantom oh my god

It'll heal off your summon

[surreal hazel]

lol, Experience is the best teacher

[fading dew]

Could really use the +5% dmg based on amount of coins right now... I'm sitting on 2k :p

[surreal hazel]

Too bad it doesn't exist any more

[cloud scarab]

I really liked going for that build for laughs in EA, it was just fun to pile up as much money as possible and then hit like a truck because your so rich 😄

[surreal hazel]

yeah, was originally buggy too

[sudden hedge]

I feel like the game's gotten so much easier compared to EA. Both in how effortless it's become to make a health-melting build, and also did most bosses have their health bars slashed or something?
I'm struggling to run into any pushback from the game -- and, sure, I guess having played since the very first release means my skill level is higher, but it was never that high.

[surreal hazel]

Nope, you just are maxed out. Zero fear with all meta-progression completed is a joke in terms of difficulty

[sudden hedge]

I started a brand new save actually. I beat Chronos with Eris's blessing still active.

[acoustic sandal]

Niiiice, how early did she give it to you?

[sudden hedge]

When I won it was in Tartarus, it was at +50% against Chronos. But I ran into her at every possible night before that. Besides the intended-doomed runs at the start and a few skill issues against rivals Scylla because of the combo first time fighting her + should've switched off Hades card build ||because Ending story stuff prevented it to trigger||, my run record is basically all winstreak victories.

[broken lichen]

Hey guys, any tips on beating ||Zagreus||? Any specific weapons or build I should bring perhaps? Also, do you get to meet them on the surface too?

[surreal hazel]

He only appears in midshops

[broken lichen]

in the surface too, right?

[surreal hazel]

and there's only two mid shops possible on each run

but the surface ones are comparitively rare

and the first one is in thessaly

as for beating him, learn your dodge timing properly, this isn't hades1 where you can double dash

otherwise you can just play like a total coward and poke him to death at range

[sullen cosmos]

Do omega attacks benefit from Looming Ignition?

[surreal hazel]

yes, and always the maximum amount

since the trajectory of the attack takes that long

[sullen cosmos]

Alright, thanks

[acoustic sandal]

Heph is good for that

[broken lichen]

any specific weapon to recommend? I guess the torches...?

[surreal hazel]

maybe not the torches since they're close range

[acoustic sandal]

Staff has good range

Or the coat, tap special should home if he's close enough

[broken lichen]

alright ty!

[surreal hazel]

honestly don't sweat the build as much as learning how to fight him

I see a lot of people asking after recommended builds to beat parts of the game and the answer really should be "learn the muscle memory to dodge attacks and not take damage"

[simple turret]

finally did a fates whim run and why is jeweled pom not retroactive???

you give up so much and it feels like the reward is so small

[surreal hazel]

oh come on, it's busted that it stays active after you switch away from it, you want more?

[viral yew]

Nah u just need to put it on first region

Yeah it's one of the best keepsakes in non high fear situations

[simple turret]

you HAVE to use it first region, which means you cant do zag's first

[surreal hazel]

zag's also stays active after swapping

[viral yew]

and? you get heroic level equivalent boons too

[simple turret]

they all stay active after swap

[viral yew]

yes

[simple turret]

but the chance theyre core boons is quite low since it cant be region 1

[surreal hazel]

Save zag's for levelling up hermes boons, they can't be pommed but they scale remarkably well with rarity

[viral yew]

You don't need them to be core boons. The highest rarity you can get with zag is heroic, right, a common boon +4 levels is equivalent to a heroic boon +1 iirc

or at the very least just equal, you aren't losing out on anything

[simple turret]

getting heroic for core boons is the primary thing youd want the rarity increase for

[viral yew]

Did you not just read what I said, you get the exact same thing but better with the pom

and then use zag on boons you can't pom

[simple turret]

I misunderstood sorry

I guess I was just hoping for something that is equivalent in power to 10 rerolls

since I play at a higher fear, its just too valuable to give up and when I went into a run I got extremely disappointed

[surreal hazel]

ehhh, no

[viral yew]

yeah it's not viable at high fear

[surreal hazel]

Poms fall off HARD after the first

[viral yew]

is my math not mathing, i swear i've compared the boons

[simple turret]

its not always the same i think

[surreal hazel]

usualy the first pom is like, one rarity, second one is less and third is less still

it's set in the boon script itself, and sometimes common+ 3 levels is better than heroic but it usually isn't

especially for core boons

but hey, taking a bunch of cracked common boons and getting Proper Upbringing later can really offset that

I've got the older scripts from the last EA release if you want me to look up pom scaling on something

Rapture ring is an odd exception

[simple turret]

i remember old scorch scaling with rarity

heroic attack was 100 with no poms

that was silly

[surreal hazel]

That's just smolder ring

[simple turret]

it was a previous patch

unless im misremembering'

[surreal hazel]

there was a time that strike did more scorch than flourish for some reason

[stable herald]

I remember when Scorch didn't have a cap

ofc it was worse in every other way but Freezer Burn numbers could get pretty silly

[surreal hazel]

at least now you know you can just proc freezer burn whenever you see scorch hit 999

[austere trail]

what builds would you guys recommend for aspect of moros? I'm trying for 12F surface

[cosmic steppe]

when in doubt, thermodynamics

[surreal hazel]

Moros makes anything work. Kaboom pow bang

[austere trail]

hmm

[median anvil]

rarity and pom scaling aren't necessarily the same

[viral yew]

I have now realised this yes

[rough patio]

is freezer burn + burning desire just the nuts?

free 2k damage?

or is that not how it works

[stable herald]

don't forget Pyro Technique, but yes it's a very good combo

[rough patio]

whats pyro technique

oh yeah i had that as well xd

also is there anything that air quality doesn't apply to?

like i assume it doesnt do anything to scorch

[stable herald]

yeah Air Quality doesn't work on Scorch

[rough patio]

i feel like air quality is also kinda insane sometimes but idk what other people think of it

it's one of those things where it's hard to tell how much it's actually doing

[viral yew]

It is really good

[stable herald]

you really have to build around it, with damage boosts like Strength it's not too hard to get a lot of DoT effects over 50

but then with stuff like Demeter's gales, psychic leash on the Circe staff, and some other stuff it's totally cracked

[rough patio]

yeah i was playing circe

i feel like the aspects that just make your hitboxes appear on the screen are way easier than the ones that actually care about where you're standing

like circe or charon

[viral yew]

What do you mean?

As in you can see where you do damage

[rough patio]

like if you have one of the boons that lets you just chuck your cast down anywhere on the screen

you can just hang out on the other side of the room and still deal damage

it's kind of silly

[viral yew]

Like lightning lance or glowing coal, I never like them cause I forget I have them and miss my cast

[rough patio]

lol

[viral yew]

Probably cause I'm always right next to whatever i'm killing

[rough patio]

that's me when i do or don't have flurry shot on the hera in h1 xd

i reset and im just holding the button forever and it's not doing anything

[viral yew]

Yeah i'm just so used to not having the ranged cast

[rough patio]

and yeah on melee weapons i find those boons to be worse

but i think they're still usable if you get used to it maybe?

like if you just push the button quick it'll kinda lock onto the nearest enemy you're facing

[cloud fog]

good build opts to get better at 16 fear?

[edgy nacelle]

what do you play on out of curiosity?
with mouse imo they feel great, esp zeus since it just makes the cast appear at your cursor if it's in range. on controller I could see it feeling meh tho

[viral yew]

Oh definitely, but they're best on circe and charon that use the cast for main damage

[rough patio]

im on controller

which yeah it seems wya better on kb

[viral yew]

On controller, and cause i play really aggressive i tend to be very close and it'll just shoot past what i'm trying to hit

Espc if i'm expecting normal cast

[rough patio]

the one run i played with charon i had ranged cast, the hammer that doubles your special, and the legendary that doubles your omega moves

so i moved to using the special first

then spamming the cast button 3 times while the special filled the screen xd

[viral yew]

A classic

[rough patio]

with lucid gain

[pine ridge]

I'd say start with Demeter and try to get it on the Cast/a relevant percentage Attack or Special. cuz I find on high Fear, normal enemies mess you up way more than bosses

Demeter on the Cast isn't the most powerful room clearing thing but I think it's the most universally good thing to put on a Cast (crowd control+long-lasting curse for Origination)

also play with the 9 or 7 minute timer. and get used to playing that way. it'll do ya good

[rough patio]

i was at like 75 or 95 max magic or something really low, so i found that attack pattern by trying to get my magick back up in time xd

[edgy nacelle]

meanwhile I play on mouse and keyboard and love ranged weapons aspects lmao... very different experience for sure.
even on melee I sometimes like the ability to lock a group of annoying enemies down out of range while I focus on a different target, like the fish at the end of sirens (and swarms of fish in general) or the wailers in the shadow version of that one erebus miniboss idr the name of

[viral yew]

I've played like 3 runs on charon out of my 300 and now i'm gonna have to do it at 32 fear, nothing could possibly go wrong

[edgy nacelle]

doesn't always work, but being able to go "NO. stay over there while I stab this guy" feels nice when it does work

[cloud fog]

okay, thank you!

[rough patio]

i think the ranged aspects in h1 were very controller advantaged no?

[edgy nacelle]

uhhhh I wouldn't know, my favorite weapon was bow in h1 and I don't own a controller at all. maybe?
I imagine mouse was still better for rail specials + dio cast, at least

[cerulean panther]

Yeah, I think Rail is best on MKB.

Both Zag and Melinoe have problems strafing while attacking on controller, even in range with Aim Assist on.

They really want to attack in the direction in which they're moving.

[viral yew]

This is true

[stable herald]

yeah with KB&M you can aim and move in different directions, and some weapons like the torches really wish this were a proper twin-stick shooter...

once I tried remapping my right stick to function as a mouse input to try and do it on controller, and it technically worked but was really janky

[uncut sigil]

I used Aspect of Supay for the first time

HOLY HELL ITS SO STRONG

[edgy nacelle]

believe it or not that thing has been nerfed so many times lmao
on release it was more absurd

[wispy iron]

Damn, I'm sorry Wolf Howl for hating you.
It's specifically been made to work with Heph, and with Heph Rush & Godsent it's a powerhouse

[uncut sigil]

man if this is the NERFED version

also right there was old Momus too

[edgy nacelle]

it's also just dirt cheap in terms of magick cost and gives you i-frames! even when it isn't godsent I love it, wolf howl and twilight curse work even on low magick usage builds and give you safety even if the damage is bad

[surreal hazel]

Duality, vicinity and brutality make it hilariously good

[rough patio]

does air quality work on the apollo omega cast thing?

[viral yew]

yes

[surreal hazel]

4x the boom at 2.25x the area

[surreal hazel]

Basically works on everything not called scorch or hitch

[wispy iron]

Didn't get duality, but the temp armor thing, sadly

[surreal hazel]

Tenacity is no slouch

[wispy iron]

I didn't feel like adding 75% more magick requirement for 3s of armor, I was focusing max damage

[tranquil shard]

What was it like on release? I never got to it because I was having too much fun with the old Momus staff.

[dreamy inlet]

with the momus aspect (omega repeat) - when you get the +30 mana hammer to o-special

does it translate to the repeats?

or only the one you shoot initially

[pine ridge]

the 3s of armor actually goes super hard since it blocks the extra damage the armor would punch though... if you make your Omega expensive enough to trigger Wolf Howl in one Omega move, you basically spend the entire final fight invincible

[edgy nacelle]

I don't remember the exact details but pretty much every part of it did more damage iirc.
the bonus to rush boon damage was also way way higher, that got nerfed multiple times.
in one patch they took away one of its special orbs since they were doing too much damage ig, and then they added the lost orb back but lowered the base damage a lot to make up for it

if you know the youtuber boated (great hades 2 content) he had videos testing it on release, then with only 1 ball, then in its current state, so you could glance at those to get an idea

[surreal hazel]

+75% rush damage lol

[rough patio]

ok

every 0.13 seconds is crazy

[surreal hazel]

it's technicaly 0.125 but afsdhs, it's 15 hits overall

and yes, if you get Glorious Disaster, that also gets buffed to 50 damage by AQ too and lololololol damage

[edgy nacelle]

oh also didn't it used to apply to beach ball but now it doesn't? not that that always came up but. lol. old supay was something else...

[surreal hazel]

Get arctic gale and meat grinder too for the lulz

[tranquil shard]

Thanks for the direction, I'll go digging! And wow, that sounds wild. I think they struck a good balance with it currently.

[surreal hazel]

I have a vague memory of this

[rough patio]

whats glorious disaster?

[surreal hazel]

Apollo and Zeus Duo

[rough patio]

oh yeah i had that just now

and hermes 150% omega speed

[surreal hazel]

it's probably one of those "This is actually really bad, but it's hilarious" boons

[rough patio]

most broken build yet xd

[rough patio]

yeah i think the duo is usually bad, but it's kinda insane when you dont have to wait 3 days for the charge

[cerulean panther]

The only time I've found GD useful was when it worked with Charon.

[edgy nacelle]

iirc they also indirectly nerfed it in single target by lowering the pom (and maybe even rarity) scaling on a lot of zeus boons.
on release you had +75% rush damage and could use king's ransom + pom pom pom to get ridiculous base damage from zeus's sprint and just... see absurd numbers lol, it was fun

[surreal hazel]

GD with no supporting boons is just awful, but with winner's circle, supernova and air quality, it's hilarious

[rough patio]

like i picked the duo a couple times before but I never end up getting to use it because it takes forever

[surreal hazel]

also that reminds me, I need to check a really weird bug it had before 1.0

[rapid bolt]

How does winners circle interact with heph cast? Do all the hits just happen faster or

[surreal hazel]

the lighting strike it causes counted, FOR SOME REASON, like a cast, sorta

meaning the furies triggered, and cast-related curses like smolder ring triggered

[north granite]

how do you use Circe aspect? never used it before

[cerulean panther]

The hammer lingers after the Cast itself disappears, still gets all three hits out.

[surreal hazel]

all three happen with the same spacing, but you can cast again much sooner and they overlap

[cerulean panther]

It used to come down faster but was changed.

[surreal hazel]

CLANG CLANG CLANG

[rapid bolt]

Oh it's like blade rift

[cerulean panther]

It was great!

[rapid bolt]

Thank you

[surreal hazel]

it honestly still is

[rough patio]

I had

Storm Ring
Lucid Gain
Winner's Circle (epic)
Cut Above
Cutting Edge
Prominence Flare
Rightous Pike
Super Nova
Drunken Stupor
Air Quality
Ocean Swell
The Time Slow hex which was active like all the time xd

poseidon was like.. there i guess

he didnt really do anything

[surreal hazel]

Casually dropping casts that do 2000+ damage

[edgy nacelle]

winner's circle + stack Ω cast stuff, usually. poseidon has a great cast for it and a great Ω cast boon, and ares and apollo also have good stuff. hera cast is nice too.
or zeus cast, for an easier to set up build with less AoE
in general just focus on cast damage, it's a fun aspect and pretty chill to play
vaguely keep track of where your familiar is

[frank creek]

what weapons best adapts with random god boons? let's say i don't start with a god keepsake, which weapon is the most flexible?

[rough patio]

yeah i had zeus on the special but by the end i just wasnt bothering with it lol

[north granite]

thanks

[surreal hazel]

Thanatos, Circe, Nyx, most mel aspects that aren't the axe

Moros

[edgy nacelle]

...hm. my first thought is hidden aspect for blades since I haven't had a single bad boon set up on it lol.
that or anything with a good balance of damage and speed. heavy slow stuff will feel bad with scorch/splash, fast weak stuff will feel bad without scorch/splash

[rough patio]

is there a consensus on fates' whim yet?

[surreal hazel]

bananas on low fear

[rough patio]

bananas?

[edgy nacelle]

"crazy"/crazy good, I assume

[surreal hazel]

yes

[stable herald]

still need ||Zag's|| keepsake...

[surreal hazel]

beat him up

[edgy nacelle]

how long after the first ending can I expect to find the new keepsakes? I've only done one post-ending run, was distracted finishing up silksong until basically today

[surreal hazel]

go to the UW to get the first one, keep doing that and you'll see how to get the second

[edgy nacelle]

thanks, perfect. did one UW run and was considering swapping to surface. should I check up on post-ending surface stuff once first, or just do UW until a keepsake shows up lol?

[surreal hazel]

you'll see, the keepsakes are from who you think they should be from

[rough patio]

lmao i thought there was an aspect of bananas or something xd

i think i missed the first half of the sentence

[surreal hazel]

Aspect of Donkey Kong

[rough patio]

so true

[cerulean panther]

"Ooohh, ba-na-na!"

[rough patio]

it's just a reskin of torches where you can only use the omega special and attack with the hammer that makes the things come back, and everything is retextured to banana boomerangs

[surreal hazel]

but no like, seriously,random hades boon and +3 levels to everything for the entire run is nuts

[rough patio]

are the hades boons even good?

[spare atlas]

how do you strengthen bonds with familiars? Ive recruited the first 3 but cannot for the life of me figure out how to offer more treats to them

[rough patio]

also what makes it worse on higher fears?

[rough patio]

you need the treats

they look like two little skull dog treats

cook them in the pot i think

[surreal hazel]

Cook em

[rough patio]

then you do gift prompt

[spare atlas]

yeah ive got treats but not sure when i can offer it to the ones ive already recruited

cuz i cant see the prompt at crossroads

[surreal hazel]

go to the training grounds and feed em

[rough patio]

when you're by skelly area

[surreal hazel]

or get the incantation to be able to do it

[rough patio]

are there any aspects where it becomes reset sim on high fear?

[spare atlas]

ahhh is there an incantation for being able to level up familiars? that'll be it then

[lunar light]

Does the "prime" effect only happen once per use of the affected ability? Or does it happen each time?

And does it last until the end of the run?

[rapid bolt]

Prime generally happens once when you pick up the boon and does last through the run

[stable herald]

only exception is Born Gain, which says exactly when it primes and un-primes

[lunar light]

Oh right. That's not too bad then

[lunar light]

Ah okay

[rapid bolt]

There's actually at least one other but any variances to that are called out in the text for whatever is applying the prime

[dreamy inlet]

why do i feel like i cant make staff do damage no matter what i do

[rapid bolt]

It could just be a playstyle mismatch. Going hard into special on Mel staff usually works for me

Like lightning lance for easy extra damage to foes in cast and then like blitz special usually goes well enough

[turbid parrot]

mel staff is my comfort weapon, love it

[surreal hazel]

railgun good

[surreal hazel]

did you see how the staff special evolved over Early Access?

[turbid parrot]

nah i bought the game when EA released but only downloaded it on 1.0 release

[surreal hazel]

ah okay, you never saw the goddawful first staff special and mel aspect

[turbid parrot]

cant play ea releases without ruining my enjoyment of the full release so i dont do it

[surreal hazel]

and the first attempt at a rework, what we have is the third attempt

[clever drum]

My only memories of the staff special were OG Momus, because it was awful otherwise

[surreal hazel]

10 base damage, slow moving but quick to fire

then they slowed down the attack speed, upped the projectile speed a LOT and gave it two bounces

before making it the railgun we have now, and mel aspect granting +special power

mostly because that middle special idea was retooled into Hel special

[turbid parrot]

good thing i missed that

[surreal hazel]

Old momus gave huge +power to that special and it was so braindead

and old Mel staff had faster Omega speed

So in a way momus and mel swapped roles over time, and they're both the better for it

[junior trail]

is mel skull wide grin no buff oversight stuff still there

[clever drum]

And Circe also changed completely as well

[chilly swift]

So I'm using the Aspect of Selene Coat, and I used her keepsake to upgrade it straight away, and I have Ares in my god pool and chose a boon from him so I could target the godsent upgrade. But upon getting my next Path of Stars upgrade, I don't see the godsent upgrade as an option. Anyone know why?

[surreal hazel]

it should be there if godsent boons are unlocked at all

[chilly swift]

Is it some sort of event or dialogue related or something?

(That unlocks the ability to see godsent upgrades, I mean)

[surreal hazel]

Yes, selene will mention it at some point

[chilly swift]

Ah, okay... do I just need to keep talking to her, or is it locked behind giving her a certain amount of nectar? I've given her 2 at the moment

[surreal hazel]

I'm not sure

[chilly swift]

Thanks for your help! <3

[brisk mica]

guys I saw something unlikely

[surreal hazel]

Looked it up, you need to have taken at least one boon from every god, and have used every hex at least once each

[chilly swift]

Gotcha, many thanks 👍

[fading dew]

Holy moly. I just used charged scythe attack middle of scylla and it nearly took half the hp off them

[surreal hazel]

using hitch?

[bronze flax]

Melinoë Staff seems pretty straightforward, but just in case, uhhh, how do you use it efficiently? 😅

[surreal hazel]

shoot special in face, enemy die

[hazy thistle]

spam ospecial

i like apollo
big multiplier go for the leg

[fading dew]

I don't think I got hitch. Most of my stuff is attack based. Did do like 200 dmg with dash from smith boon

My Aphro attack is +190%, though

Heroic lvl 4 :p

[surreal hazel]

nah, take the huntress arcana and use regular special

it's almost the same damage and honestly a better AoE and much more spammable

[fading dew]

Rofl... Heoric boon lvl 10 +250% attack dmg 😅

[violet orchid]

What god boons are just good all around no matter what your playing?

[viral yew]

Anything zeus really

[surreal hazel]

Hera

Funny that the king and queen are so good

[violet orchid]

Is it good to try and do both Zeus and Hera or try and stick to 1?

[viral yew]

I mean it makes sense

[viral yew]

They have a really funny unique duo

[surreal hazel]

familiar with their duo boons?

[turbid parrot]

Zeus hera duo boon is interesting for sure

[surreal hazel]

even without those, hitch and blitz work very well together

[violet orchid]

Yea, just didn’t know if it’s good or not, haven’t come across it yet I don’t think (might have and just don’t realize it)

[surreal hazel]

Overkill damage still spreads via hitch to the full effect

[hazy thistle]

hera and more hera

[surreal hazel]

"it"? heh, "Them"

[hazy thistle]

also heph’s defensive boons and Demeter cast

[surreal hazel]

this is the only case where there's two duo boons for the same pair

you'll see why

[viral yew]

Although i've never actually taken queens ransom i think it's way better if you build towards kings

[surreal hazel]

So, one thing you need to know here

Hereditary bane scales by +10% for every level, with no falloff whatsoever

[rough patio]

Was the eris fight nerfed since early access roughly a year ago?

[viral yew]

👀

[surreal hazel]

Considerably

[hazy thistle]

yeah Zeus scales way better with poms although a queens ransom fine line build on torches might be fun

[rough patio]

I couldn't beat it when i tried then and it's felt relatively easy now xd

the rivals fight also was like... not even harder?

[rapid bolt]

People keep saying hitch is good but I just don't get it. Every one of her non-hitch boons are so good but like hitch itself is so... Like I could take literally anything else instead. Am I like missing something about it?

[rough patio]

like she ran away from my attacks a lot
but didn't actually hit me more

[viral yew]

Zeus is just more fun cause you can get like 400 damage blitz and 200 damage sprint

[surreal hazel]

Hera also has Bridal Glow and All Together, which are literally disposible boons

[viral yew]

Yes

[surreal hazel]

saccing them is of little consequence

[cerulean panther]

@rapid bolt Hitting an entire room at once is very strong.

[surreal hazel]

The higher the fear level, the better it gets

[rough patio]

aspect of rama god

[rapid bolt]

That'll be it

[surreal hazel]

more enemies with more HP amplify the power of hitch

[cerulean panther]

Yeah, "Rama on every Aspect" is basically Hitch's schtick.

[hazy thistle]

flat damage is way better to go all in on because it scales multiplicatively with other multipliers instead of additively

also tends to have better pom scaling in general

[viral yew]

Yeah exactly

[rough patio]

hitch is cool but half the fun of rama was the lineups, it's a lot less cool when you either have to hit in melee range or you're just throwing out an insane hitbox like the axe special where you hit everything without even trying

this is less hating on hitch and more really liking rama to be clear though

[surreal hazel]

Hera's Extended family or Ares's Rallying Cry make blitz go brrrr

[eager meteor]

i saw the light last night eos with island getaway is kind of heat

[hazy thistle]

zeus’ pom scaling used to be disgusting you could sac 3 hera boons and nuke everything

[viral yew]

You get into the tens of thousands with origination and other buffs

[rapid bolt]

Like all my rooms are all exploding instantly already and I only ever need boss damage so hitch just wasn't something I was into. I forgot about just giving them more hp

It all makes sense now

[surreal hazel]

zeus is all about the olympian damage, along with Bestia

[bitter osprey]

anybody realized that allied summon damage is affected by vow of pain?

[viral yew]

Ah yes, my favourite olympian.

Beastia

[eager meteor]

opinions on zeus with ||anubis||...

[hazy thistle]

hitch gets a lot better when the game gets harder (higher fear)

[rapid bolt]

Yeah that was my takeaway