h2-builds-and-combat

[somber agate]

yeah i get the change i guess i just like the idea of gimmicks or requirements around using boons

[elfin forge]

apollo special, maybe?

[wide glen]

I was thinkin that. Just beeg ball beeg damage

[spiral wadi]

melinoe staff is mega flexible rn, % on spec and atk/scorch on atk tends to be the way

[elfin forge]

Mel staff has high base power, so a % boon like Apollo, Aphro, or Hera is best

blitz atk sounds good, yeah

[uneven palm]

Big Aphro special with controlled burn is fun

[spiral wadi]

i also really like splash on special, it's technically ignoring the aspect but also it's funny

[elfin forge]

mel staff is so heavily weighted towards special that I kinda of don't want to use attack

[somber agate]

for circe staff is there a familiar preference?

[elfin forge]

raki or toula

[quartz plaza]

what's the wiki link? or is a fandom wiki :(

[elfin forge]

sorry it's fandom 🙁
I can just list them here if you want

[quartz plaza]

ah i see

oh can't past images

Witch's Staff: +40%
Sister Blades: +40%
Umbral Flames: +20%
Moonstone Axe: +20%
Argent Skull: +20%
Black Coat: +75%

[elfin forge]

you can paste links to images

[somber agate]

i would many dollars for this game to Not have a fandom wiki

[elfin forge]

I'd chuck in a 50 probably

[quartz plaza]

yes, fandom wiki 😭

[elfin forge]

it's also out of date, especially with quests and bugs and stuff

[quartz plaza]

and boon rule is you can only have one attack/special/cast/sprint/magick and they get priority offered until you fill that slot?

[elfin forge]

most gameplay stuff should be fine though, unless it says "bugged"

[elfin forge]

yeah basically, I think first 3 boons heavily prioritize cores, and then after it's even

like first boon will always be 3 cores

[quartz plaza]

and looks like i should go aphro over apollo, much more dmg

[unique locust]

shimmering rockets + chain lightning + that one Atermis boon with the arrows

i have never seen rooms clear this fast before holy crap

[somber agate]

safe to assume only global damage buffs work on psychic leash? e.g. The Furies (as long as they r in a cast obviously)

[elfin forge]

probably? I doubt it scales with atk or spec

[analog quail]

how does air quality interact with scorch?

[spiral wadi]

scorch is the only thing air quality doesn't affect

[quartz plaza]

this is a nice boon visualization though might be out of date? not sure https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_2VquJDCjzEhrfCuRm4Nnqdf-0xGsZerhrTj0bg01MQ/edit?usp=sharing

^ credit @shy fossil

way easier to scan than the wiki

[plain fossil]

Hey has anyone gotten regular special staff to work on decent fear

[spiral wadi]

lol that reminds me they never reworked power surge

[quartz plaza]

Blitz After taking 120 damage, afflicted foes get struck by lightning.
What does "struck by lightning" do?

[spiral wadi]

ye

[plain fossil]

I havent played much since last year and this special rework is Not It

[elfin forge]

just shoot them till they die

[plain fossil]

Yea? Whats the strat

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217110523091357747/1421974947798061237/image.png

[elfin forge]

that's a weird setup

[spiral wadi]

rng took the wheel

[elfin forge]

do you alternate attack and spec?

ah, no god keepsake?

[spiral wadi]

ye u attack then spec

yea god keepsakes are bugged this patch

[elfin forge]

oh wait that's this patch I didn't see the medal LMAO

[plain fossil]

Cool ty

Wtf

Alright i get what ur doing thanks

[spiral wadi]

aight so decent fear u'd ideally have forfeit off

then put blitz on atk, % on spec, so u alternate betweek atk (apply blitz) then spec (trigger blitz)

[plain fossil]

U would have forfeit on surely, thats onion right

[elfin forge]

what is "decent fear"

[plain fossil]

I was doing 50s in early EA it was different name then

[spiral wadi]

yes, but this patch, onion will eat your god keepsake you will not be guaranteed to see that god

[elfin forge]

yeah avoid onion for now

[plain fossil]

Bitterness or sth

[civic ocean]

Waking up at 2 am from a nightmare

[spiral wadi]

hypnos be like

[plain fossil]

Idk what the good number is now, whatever number is everything except the vow that eats ur arcana

[spiral wadi]

ye 62

[plain fossil]

Which from what ppl are posting is 62

[spiral wadi]

east did the first 62f with void 3 forfeit 0

[elfin forge]

yeah there are sickos turning on void to avoid onion

[plain fossil]

Is onion that troll now

[spiral wadi]

yup

[plain fossil]

I guess eating ur god boon is too much rng to deal with

[spiral wadi]

i mean new meta doesn't need it ngl but also it kinda sucks that old meta is just completely smited

[plain fossil]

Currently im super out of the loop so im just doing 32s till im comfortable playing the game again

[spiral wadi]

fair, the meta has shifted significantly since warsong 50s

[elfin forge]

I was gonna do more fear but then rivals came and kicked my butt

[plain fossil]

And unlocking things since i dont have all the vow of rivals done and also dont have weapon aspects and new weapon levels

Just want to understand whether mel staff is actually a real weapon and im doing it wrong

Looks like thats what it is

[spiral wadi]

it do be a real weapon

[elfin forge]

almost every aspect had a 62fear clear last patch, I think

[spiral wadi]

ye, the only ones that didn't were momus, mel axe, and thanatos

[plain fossil]

Momus felt kinda uncomfortable in the one run i did, i played a LOT of momus the patch it got changed to current function

Im not sure why it feels different it just felt weak

[spiral wadi]

iirc they patched out some tech from it as well as increased interval time window

[plain fossil]

Yea i think thats it, the lag between repeats felt very high

Uncomfy

Momus always going to have timer issues anyway at high fear i suspect

Its just a very slow aspect

[elfin forge]

chat I have a question
when would you use floodgain over hestia gain

[spiral wadi]

either or

i don't really think about using one over the other i just take whichever one i want

or ig whichever i see first

[elfin forge]

cuz they basically fill the same niche right
normal attack/special heavy, omegas are occasional

[spiral wadi]

ye

[elfin forge]

man I wish I could just take aphro gain every run

weak + free mana that's fast enough

[spiral wadi]

while flood gain can be activated or is activated, u basically have infi magick and can use omegas even when u can't afford

[elfin forge]

maybe it's just because I'm a hubris 1 baby

I almost never think about how I'm out of mana, at least after zone 1

[uneven palm]

Does the amount of Blitz damage on the boon

[elfin forge]

no

oh I thought you were asking a partial question lol

[uneven palm]

They’re both good. Flood Gain gets more valuable the more Omegas you’re able to cram in or the more cost-boosters (Fine Line, etc) you stick on em.

Like I’m often shocked at how decently well Flood Gain can power things that in earlier patches I’d have thought were only possible with Hera’s gain.

[civic ocean]

i think ur way is better tho

maybe it depends

like maybe for like Supay you want boon floor 1

[plain fossil]

Hullo east, long time no see

[civic ocean]

yo

[spiral wadi]

tru actually, variation is cool

[elfin forge]

hi east, long time see

[spiral wadi]

i'm actually getting bored of 62f it might be time for 65f runs

[plain fossil]

I presume you've long moved on from all weapon 32f clears to all weapon 62s?

[elfin forge]

yall are psychos

demons must exist in your hands for such levels of gamer

[plain fossil]

That seems to be the meta around here lul from reading the past hour of chat or so

[civic ocean]

probably the eternal project is all aspect 62 up and down

[plain fossil]

Yea ok

I'll be happy with a single 62

[civic ocean]

play circe

u can get anything with that crutch-ass staff

[spiral wadi]

i think mel staff or circe staff are the best weapons to get 62f rn

[elfin forge]

circe was the 62 breaker, yeah

[spiral wadi]

easy to pick up, super flexible, very strong

east broke 62f in 1.0 with circe again

[civic ocean]

what do we have now

2 circes a mel staff and a mel axe?

you should tell everyone the mel axe meta is heph atk now

[spiral wadi]

i hold 50% of 1.0 62f clears

[civic ocean]

65 mel staff hasnt been done I think

well I guess it all hasnt been done in 1.0

[spiral wadi]

in unseen it did

[civic ocean]

oh did it?

[spiral wadi]

but yea 65fs are all open

[elfin forge]

wait wtf why was mel staff SO popular for 62f

[spiral wadi]

i gotta stop foolish from playing the game again

[spiral wadi]

it op

[civic ocean]

why we are gonna see 67 all weps

[spiral wadi]

it's why i did poseidon splash cuz i wanted to be challenged and i still won in 2 days

ig 65 surface runs could be doable

[narrow bramble]

is supay nexus sprint anything? just did a run with nexus sprint nyx and it was decent but my supay nexus sprint doesn’t feel that great

[plain fossil]

Certainly earlier in early access it was good to push higher fear with weapons that didnt need much/any mana because of how the vows worked, idk if thats still true

[civic ocean]

It's good yes just a bit annoying because I think it turns itself off when you hit things or can only hit things once

[spiral wadi]

i think at 62f u can manage magick fine, it's like 67f is when magick starts becoming stupid to manage

[plain fossil]

Like charon was ridiculously op at medium fear but only okay at top fear

[spiral wadi]

charon aspect is really good rn i think

[plain fossil]

Charon still feels ridiculously op at medium fear ngl

[civic ocean]

charon is one of the aspects where I wonder if its correct to go void 3 no onion god keepsake start

[plain fossil]

Especially with apollo gain change

[civic ocean]

basically with charon you just wanna see apollo and then its go time

[narrow bramble]

yeah agreed what should i throw on attack / special? i dont really know whether the balls that circle around are considered attacks or specials

[civic ocean]

the balls are specials the attacks look like little waves

supay is always firing but is low power and cant stagger so on-hit stuff like blitz or scorch or waves are good, and also freeze is good to make up for no stagger

[trim hawk]

Tried using aspect of Pan for daggers. It feels very slow/sluggish to use. Really needs a buff to the charge speed as well aside from the increased projectile count.

[elfin forge]

most people agree, the omega charge is just far too slow given how hectic the game is

especially since you need to get close to place your cast, most of the time, so it's not like you can snipe from afar

Pan's main use case is with a single hammer, Trick Knives

[spiral wadi]

they should add a new hammer that fires all the specials at once

[elfin forge]

I would've been so down for aspect specific hammers on all nonmel aspects lol

a hammer for Pan, Medea, Nyx, circe, etc

[spiral wadi]

tru 👀

tho all specials at once on artemis would be fun too

[elfin forge]

thanatos could get something for the meter, artemis could give more crits per parry, or shorter parry recharge

[ashen sage]

honestly think ||prometheus is a harder fight than typhon|| but that might be cause i dont have VOR4 yet

[elfin forge]

pretty balanced take, I think

[ashen sage]

idk if full release made him easier or ive just gotten better but

i used to get nuked by like all his attacks and now i rarely lose a death defiance against him

[maiden delta]

Fascinating. To me || Prometheus || is the easiest surface fight. If I get past the second fight I know I’m making it to the fourth

[elfin forge]

I think third boss is generally a wall for a lot of people, especially those who aren't used to things like memorygame

[ashen sage]

the memory game was one of the main things that use to stump me, now its easy, only problem is with vow of rivals u gotta deal with ||heracles||

[elfin forge]

I think rivals memorygame is just an excellent twist. Such a simple addition that makes it really engaging to me

[ashen sage]

ever since i unlocked ||aspect of the morrigan|| the game has become like really easy

[elfin forge]

lol

[ashen sage]

yeah its really challenging sometimes, gotta dodge and remember

[maiden delta]

The memory game is my fave part of that fight 😂

[ashen sage]

easily the most fun weapon, i use to just spam moonstone axe

[elfin forge]

memory game is just very polarising, I think. By far, the move I've seen the most complaints about from people

[ashen sage]

really? i think its pretty fair

[elfin forge]

I think so too, but people are like "I have terrible memory this is literally impossible"

I've definitely seen the "I can't do it" "It's impossible for me" very often

people have called it an accessibility issue

[maiden delta]

It’s my fave hidden aspect because I feel like it rewards you so well for setting it up right

[ashen sage]

ig thats fair enough, what can help is repeating where u gotta dodge to

[maiden delta]

Oh that’s fair critique on the memory

[elfin forge]

idk I'm not sure. Sometimes I can understand where people are coming from when they call hard games an accessibility problem, but I often don't

[ashen sage]

just insane damage, i didnt even realise cast also counted towards the combo for the first couple of times i used it

also 3 spinning axes just looks cool

[maiden delta]

Omega cast+ winners circle and that aspect is ✨

[elfin forge]

morrigan's CHING is just a lot of fun

[worldly vector]

Which gods to use for melinoe axe

[ashen sage]

aphrodite

[elfin forge]

idk, like Hera attack or something

[worldly vector]

And on what

[ashen sage]

aphrodite on main attack

[elfin forge]

mel axe gets more power on attacks only, not special, so try to use that more

[worldly vector]

Hera or aphro

I've heard apollo is good too

[elfin forge]

apollo is ok

+20% range for axe

[ashen sage]

i usually go with aphrodite and get like 300%+ damage

[elfin forge]

I don't really play axe that much, I struggle too much with room clearing

[worldly vector]

What would be the way to apply curses for origination

[elfin forge]

cast and dash
aphro gain is nice too

[worldly vector]

Which cast if I can choose

[elfin forge]

demeter prob

[ashen sage]

my main cast boon is nearly allways demeters

[worldly vector]

Is there a duo boon maybe I should look for

And I'm guessing anything on special since it's not much use?

[elfin forge]

do zeus or hestia special I guess

[worldly vector]

What about hep for the flat 500

Using those ocassionally anyways

[elfin forge]

up to you

[worldly vector]

Or is zeus better

Idk how much the blitz does

[elfin forge]

blitz is like 100, no cooldown, and is a curse

[spiral wadi]

blasts r fun, u just gotta invest in poms a bit but they go brr

[worldly vector]

Well if can aphro gain with a curse cast, then hep should be better no?

[ashen sage]

just saw how much fear you need for ||skellys 3rd prize|| its so over

[worldly vector]

Also should I be taking the hammer for the only final big chop

[elfin forge]

32/24
it's not that bad
just lay off of the rivals

[elfin forge]

nah good way to die

[plain fossil]

Big chop is still a colossal meme 🙁 i tried it again

[spiral wadi]

hell splitter is probably the worst hammer u can get lol

[plain fossil]

I wish it was good but man is it not good

[worldly vector]

Which hammers for mel axe then

[plain fossil]

Big chop versus blue shields is worst matchup in hades 2

[spiral wadi]

i like rapid slash, psychic whirl, seething marauder, dashing heave

in no particular order

[elfin forge]

the dash attack aoe is really good

[plain fossil]

I quite like the splash damage hammer its good vs blue shields

[ashen sage]

i usually get the omega attack speed one and the one where u can move around and attack during it

a shame, i dont think u can get the one where u move around whilst using ||nergals hammer||

unless ive just gotten super unlucky when using it

[snow breach]

is Origination REALLY not multiplicative? Like... it just seems so weak for 5 grasp if it's simply additive

[spiral wadi]

psychic can drop with nergal

[elfin forge]

global 50%
applies to debuffs too

[snow breach]

So much work to satisfy the conditions for 20% additive... meanwhile Strength gives you that much dmg just for not using death defiance

[worldly vector]

Is thanatos aspect worth crafting or should I just save the mats

[elfin forge]

it's 50% with all upgrades

[snow breach]

Sorry I don't follow

Oh okay 50% is pretty good for 5 grasp

[spiral wadi]

yea it's 50% for origination rank 3

[elfin forge]

it's also just not that much work
most dash, cast, and some gain will give you free curses

[ashen sage]

it can? ive never seen it drop lol

[elfin forge]

it's insanely good

[spiral wadi]

yea just unlucky lolol

[snow breach]

It's not that much work for 50% sure

[spiral wadi]

unless they shadow nerfed in 1.0

[ashen sage]

so busted lmao, infinite free health

[elfin forge]

nah I got psychic on nergal today

[spiral wadi]

rad

[ashen sage]

ive been meaning to try more weapons because literally, i have barely used any asside from axe and daggers

[elfin forge]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[spiral wadi]

tbh all the weapons r really fun rn

[ashen sage]

ive never rly been a fan of staff or the umbral flames

[snow breach]

Say did they make the game a lot easier since the first patch? Started a new save and I'm just clobbering. Could just be muscle memory cuz I played a lot then

First patch meaning very first EA release

[spiral wadi]

ye they prob toned down a lot as the game progressed

[ashen sage]

i think alot of the sections they added later were harder then they are now because they didnt want people to get bored

[spiral wadi]

like i heard that apparently eris was mega juiced up since she was originally the last surface boss, then got some adjustments once olympic came

[ashen sage]

she was brah i use to hate her

[snow breach]

[ashen sage]

naughty mate

[elfin forge]

base eris got some bonks
rivals eris got some buffs

[snow breach]

She used to have some POOP that you had to use the pillars to block or you just died, and it would eat the pillar

[elfin forge]

cerb got nerfed a lot

[snow breach]

I forgot what it was

[elfin forge]

the shotgun?

[lime moth]

They buffed the vampire too much dawg

[elfin forge]

lol you get used to it, it's pretty easy to do that fight damageless, and then you just burn him down

[snow breach]

Yeah the vampire is obnoxious as hell. I don't remember him stealing life at all

Must have been a tiny amount

[lime moth]

He ruined my 16 fear run

Every time I got him to low health, he’d just hit me and get over 1000 hp back

[elfin forge]

doesn't he only have 2 attacks

[ashen sage]

nah he stole the same amount i think, i usually just end up freeze casting him and melting his health

[lime moth]

3

[elfin forge]

swipe and suck

[lime moth]

I had the worst possible build with him.

No cast.

Nergal axe which is impossible to not get hit when I attack him

And the hex where fallen enemies fight for you (he can kill them and steal their HP as well 💀)

[elfin forge]

didn't you do that before

how did it happen again

[lime moth]

Nah I didn’t

I said that like a few minutes ago in chat

[elfin forge]

also can't nergal zone him out pretty safely with oattack

[lime moth]

Not really

He can still hit you

[ashen sage]

thats brutal lmao

[lime moth]

EXACTLY

Why would they make him so op

[ashen sage]

i wouldnt say hes op

i dont think ive died to him since very early access

[elfin forge]

I've seen him fully heal from enemies, and he's slapped me a few times to heal for like, 25%

[ashen sage]

i think they should add a section in the training grounds where u can apply boons and hammers and stuff, just to play around

[plain fossil]

Does that vampire guy still have zero turn rate

[final sedge]

Does it get better or does hades 2 just not give you many core boons like hades 1 did. I feel like all I want is an attack or cast boon and I get all these weird secondary boons instead.

[plain fossil]

Theres a probability bonus applied to core boons

[lime moth]

I’m trying Anubis for the second time. Let’s see if it lives up to the hype 💔

[elfin forge]

try hestia keepsake start

[final sedge]

I struggled with the axe. I think I relied on whirlwind too much and took too much damage

[elfin forge]

and then secure a cast second, like demeter or aphro or hera

[elfin forge]

use god keepsake and reroll to get special or attack first boon
your second boon also prioritizes core boons

after that I think it's basically free for all

[lime moth]

The axe is my favorite weapon tbh

[elfin forge]

similar to Hades 1, iirc

[lime moth]

MK

[final sedge]

Don’t have enough arcana for rerolls

[elfin forge]

always dash attack, regular attack is so slow

[final sedge]

It was pretty cool. It was my first run with it.

[plain fossil]

Regular axe attack is ok right, just the first swing - you want to cancel into dash attack

Or is the meta literally just spam dash attack all day even without the hammer

[spiral wadi]

if u do first swing then dash and hold sprint for a bit, your next attack will always be the first swing again

[plain fossil]

Yer

Also if u dont get into the habit of doing that, sometimes u mash and get big chop by accident

Which is -1 dd

[elfin forge]

slowing down? cring

[spiral wadi]

tru lmao

[elfin forge]

me want go dash mashy mashy

[spiral wadi]

i insta-ff when i do big chop and get hit lmao

i should really get that last keepsake

[kindred depot]

Is there any builds for the anubis staff? The new melee is... weird, and I genuinely got no clue how I should use it.

[elfin forge]

hestia or apollo attack

demeter or aphro cast

dash attack and cast at the same time. Let enemies walk in and die. Use special to support, the omega special sucks enemies

omegas are optional

[kindred depot]

Mmmm. Would a hephestus special be a good move?

[elfin forge]

prob not

I would do apollo special if you like omega special, and zeus if you prefer nomal

I think a god run combo would be like, hestia attack, zeus special, demeter cast, hera dash

[fallow cobalt]

With ||Jewelled Pom, if you get Old Grudge on the surface it applies to Typhon||
Does this stack with knuckle bones for an instant phase?

[worldly vector]

Just crafted aspect of medea coz heard it was the most broken weapon, now teach me how to play ts, which boons and what's the gameplay loop

[elfin forge]

one attack, then one special
It is a melee weapon where you dash back and forth through the enemy

Use zeus special, and then a big strong attack like aphro or apollo

attack=charge a bomb on yourself
special=tackle into the enemy, detonate any bombs that you have charged

[worldly vector]

Is it good against bosses, I just reached typhon for the first time using the axe build we discussed earlier and bro ate all my death defiances and wiped me

[elfin forge]

it is very good on large bosses

medeas dps is basically determined by how fast you can mash attack then special

while staying on target and not missing

typhon is a wall, literally just mash as fast as you can

[worldly vector]

Ok I'll try this

[elfin forge]

Medea can also let you cross large distances like in ephyra faster by alternating dash and special

I guess all skulls can do that

use zeus keepsake, going for zeus special

[worldly vector]

Is that essential, was gonna run aphro keepsake coz I have that leveled

[civic ocean]

Blitz will end up being more damage

[elfin forge]

you should level zeus keepsake

[worldly vector]

Alr I'll try this

Any recc on cast

[elfin forge]

zeus keepsake is real good on many aspects

[worldly vector]

And are the omegas ever to be used?

[elfin forge]

The usuals, demeter, hera, hestia

[worldly vector]

Uh wait, i entered the run and it's ares

[elfin forge]

not really
Ospecial has massive iframea
Oattack can be a long range damage option

[worldly vector]

It's the first meeting with ares

[elfin forge]

ares attack then

[worldly vector]

Oof the multiplier is just 20%

I have epic dash

[elfin forge]

dont count out wounds

wounds is +power on a cooldown, and a debuff

wounds basically lets you oneshot enemies

[worldly vector]

Do I reroll or just take the common attack

[elfin forge]

take it for a spin

remember, 1 attack, then special into the enemies

[worldly vector]

Oof I took damage, gonna have to get used to this, I'm assuming the special doesn't have iframes

[elfin forge]

yeah its not safe

gotta use cast a ton to trap enemies, hit them from the side or behind

[worldly vector]

Nice got epic zeus special

[worldly vector]

Alr ty I'll try this

[elfin forge]

the logic for zeus special is that
Your special hits the enemy first, applying blitz.
Then your attack deals damage, a big explosion that immediately pops blitz

[worldly vector]

Hmm, in ephyra I've got option for hera, prolly go for her over other gods for the cast right

[elfin forge]

probably?

[worldly vector]

Ok wait which hammer, melting break, possessed array, mega driver, I've never used the skills so idk what these do

Melting sound best on paper

[elfin forge]

possessed is incredibly cracked if you have mana

the damage is wild

combo with born gain

[worldly vector]

Does it proc with medea coz idk if its ever dropped

[elfin forge]

yeah it does

you cant pickup until dropped

[worldly vector]

Uh who gives that

[elfin forge]

they should all be fine, just avoid wide grin, it messes with the flow

[elfin forge]

hera mana gain

[worldly vector]

Ooh

I'll try this

[civic lake]

How do you deal with the awkwardness of getting Romantic Spark on Supay, but then your Omega Special missing since you're doing circles on top of the enemy?
Do you just do normal Special then?

Also can you trigger Romantic Spark on Typhon outside of the phase where he's on stunned on the ground?

[turbid parrot]

if you use circle staff and get one of the ranged casts, does your familiar also throw the cast where u aim?

[worldly vector]

Hmm died to prometheus

I wasted my DDs on eris i thought I could blitz her with medea lol

[elfin forge]

you kinda can

still gotta not attack into the bullets tho

[signal grail]

What weapons are you guys using the most? I find myself gravitating to the black coat and sister blades the most but I wanna experiment with others

I tend to prefer melee combat where possible but would be cool to try something else to see if I get a better feel for it

[unreal shore]

How do i use artemis aspect blades

I do not understand how it works

[turbid parrot]

staff

[surreal hazel]

While your oattack is charged, you will block the next damage

If you do. The next batch of attacks you do have a 50% crit rate

[unreal shore]

So i have to get hit?

[surreal hazel]

Yes

[unreal shore]

That’s weird

[surreal hazel]

You'll hear a clang and "Riposte!" If you do

[unreal shore]

Ok could u reecommend me a quick build for that

[surreal hazel]

You can also block anything with it

[surreal hazel]

Omega attack focused

[unreal shore]

Even the instakills?👀

[surreal hazel]

Yes!

[unreal shore]

waow

[signal grail]

I think of it kinda like a parry if that makes sense

[surreal hazel]

Just be wary of the cooldown

[unreal shore]

i’ll give it another try thanks

[unreal shore]

Oh that’s what the shiny thing next to my arcana is

[signal grail]

It’s super fun to get into a flow with riposte. Probably my favourite aspect

[unreal shore]

I had no idea what that was

[surreal hazel]

You can also parry a thornbush if you want

[signal grail]

I’ve been finding out the hard way not all the attacks can be blocked with the black coat lol

[unreal shore]

omega focus build then uhhhh poseidon?

[surreal hazel]

Nono. Big damage %

[unreal shore]

Ah ok apollo and aphro it is

[surreal hazel]

Aphrodite, apollo, maybe demeter

[signal grail]

I’m always a fan of Hephaestus since if you pair his explosion thingy with riposte it does some insane damage

[surreal hazel]

Err. No.

Crit chance doesn't benefit blasts

[signal grail]

I know but the blast is an added effect separate to the riposte

Is it not

[surreal hazel]

Look for explosive ambush and wicked onslaught

[surreal hazel]

Completely, they don't interact at all

You want to boost your weapon damage to get the crits to do more.

[signal grail]

I mean I guess idk i still like the blast damage

I know the crit doesn’t directly affect it

[surreal hazel]

Volcanic strike is better off on pan

[signal grail]

I haven’t used pan yet. I’ll get around to it eventually

I’m trying out ||morrigan|| rn (spoiler for hidden aspect idk if spoiler tags are needed or not so just in case)

It’s been odd but fun

[surreal hazel]

Final slice

Get it if you see it. Thank me later

[signal grail]

It’s great yea

[surreal hazel]

2gud

[unreal shore]

OH MY GOD

This feels so good??

[surreal hazel]

???

[unreal shore]

Artemis blades

One u told me how to use

[surreal hazel]

Ahhh. Lol

[unreal shore]

It’s insane

[dreamy inlet]

do the really good players run strength instead of deaths defiance?

its quite a lot of damage / DR

[low pond]

still depends, if your high fear involves vow of scars then generally DD becomes superior

[dreamy inlet]

well, i mean, 20% extra is ok, but 40% dr is a lot

[violet orchid]

What’s the best builds for the black coat?

[dreamy inlet]

from what ive heard only o-secondary

[low pond]

which aspect?

[hollow elk]

HOLD ON A SEC I KNOW YOU LMAO

[unreal shore]

LMAOOO HI????

[violet orchid]

Any of em, not really picky

[unreal shore]

😭 😭 😭 😭

[hollow elk]

im looking for a fun build with the staff

[unreal shore]

im having a time of my life with artemis blades

Why didnt u tell me about this godsend

[hollow elk]

i dont really use the omega on the blades tbh

i just spam attack

i think the axe is by far my fav weapon tho

[unreal shore]

i just tried axe, it’s really good but does need u to know the boss patterns

I got lose in the whirl and died

[surreal hazel]

Punch is good

[low pond]

depends on your playstyle, for black coat and nyx i like hestia/poseidon primarily. i take zeus as secondary

[hollow elk]

axe and aphrodite is just craaaaaazy

[low pond]

selene and hidden aspect like omegas which are heavier, so i do apollo or aphro

[violet orchid]

Punch is very good lmao, I just dodge and spam attack and throw in special here and there

[low pond]

apollo omega special on hidden aspect is hilarious

covers half the screen

[unreal shore]

I somehow made a +10 hera attack and it was bonkers

[hollow elk]

i just asked in another channel if hera was good and its apparently S tier

almost never pick her so im gonna try

[low pond]

hera has the best auxiliary boons in the game

also born gain

[violet orchid]

What is y’all’s favorite hex to run? I really enjoy the rez an enemy

[low pond]

godsent lunar ray

[surreal hazel]

Sometimes you just want to drop a rock on someone

[turbid parrot]

meteor

[hollow elk]

ok is hestia good tho because i feel like shes

not that good

[low pond]

she's great on fast weapons, and she's probably the best origination trigger of the gods

[surreal hazel]

Nah. Scorch can tick away too quick a lot of the time.

But yes. Scorch for fast and multitarget moves. Burn everyone

At low amounts, scorch is basically a fixed bonus damage per hit

[violet orchid]

Is for the O-special for black coat

[civic wing]

Which gods are good with anubis?

trying to decide on my keepsake

[surreal hazel]

Not aphrodite, heph is a bit meh. Otherwise it's honestly all good

Zeus and Hera are probably strongest

[low pond]

attack is pretty much only hestia or poseidon, the special can be apollo or aphrodite, since i prefer running omega special almost exclusively

[wispy iron]

I'm wondering, how do you effectively deal with Ephyrea's Champion of Chronos ? (especially with Vow of Shadows)
I don't have an issue with the shielded Satyrs on Olympus as my build is fairly evolved, but the Ephyrea's version with a lot of armor, little to no blessing, and its tracing projectiles makes me crazy

[cunning furnace]

#h2-victory-boasting message Casts are broken

[surreal hazel]

Dash through

[wispy iron]

So it's a little like dealing with Eris, always being at point blank range, circling and dashing through ?

[surreal hazel]

Basically, also break the pylon

[wispy iron]

Thanks for the insight, I should've think about it but that's not something that comes naturally to mind for this game ! (aleast for me)

[cunning furnace]

ive realised ive been going pretty heavy on cast builds, ima try aspect of circe

[turbid parrot]

cast builds my favorite, esp if you get the ranged one from zeus/hestia

[stable herald]

I used to like the ranged cast boons, but I'm now addicted to the Messenger arcana and they mess up the timing

[cunning furnace]

any tips for aspect of circe?
cast build once again

[wispy iron]

Any cast is nice imo, just maybe not Heph or Demeter

And I prefer Hestia, especially paired with Aphro, or Zeus

[surreal hazel]

Hestia's cast doesn't double stack

[lapis lantern]

hestia cast with winners circle/gusts/apollo stuff is insane

[stable herald]

I haven't messed with Circe much but I'm crazy about Winner's Circle and omega casts

[surreal hazel]

Why though? It doesn't give more scorch

[lapis lantern]

its not about dbl stacking it tho

normally ill get burning desire with it and pop it with demi special

[cunning furnace]

fourth degree is fun

[lapis lantern]

but leash and gusts/scorch is just fun

[surreal hazel]

Good old storm ring tho

That does stack

[lapis lantern]

yeah it IS better

i just find the other one more funny to play

[surreal hazel]

Fun if you get Fire Away

[stable herald]

how many omega cast boons can you get in one run? Local Climate, Meat Grinder, Prominence Flare, Geyser Spout, the Artemis one if you're lucky, then the Demeter/Ares duo... anything else?

[surreal hazel]

Glorious disaster. Hostile environment

There's also just castt upgrades like arctic gale, lightning lance, glowing coal

[civic wing]

Okay thanks I ended up doing a poseidon + ares run

What's good with Shiva?

[cunning furnace]

does knuckle bones take off hp from each phase or just the first one for chronos and typhon

[surreal hazel]

First

[cunning furnace]

dang

btw why is everyone obsessed with born gain when cardio gain is equally good

[stable herald]

Cardio Gain is worse if you're using omega moves more than regular

Born Gain is like a quadratic buff to your effective magick pool, no extra conditions

[cunning furnace]

fair

[steel sequoia]

they murdered flood gain

[north granite]

Moros builds anyone? I don't remember how to play it anymore

[uncut owl]

start hestia (can go either Attack pr special), get a 2nd curse on the other, get a decent gain and go with the flow, should all be easy going once you gt 2 curses for origination procs. if you get poseidon + froth and then duo, you're golden

would also work with blitz

[north granite]

Thanks so much

[uncut owl]

godspeed

[steel sequoia]

froth is that good this patch?

[uneven palm]

Try it. It’s a more robust gain than it appears in practice

[stable herald]

Flood Gain is basically infinite magick for X seconds on a cooldown

[uneven palm]

Percent attack, prefer on-hit on special. Like Hera-Zeus is great

[steel sequoia]

oh i have tried and had to punch typhoon with special

didnt worked well for me, i suppose you need to time the seconds and leave one window for the last gain, which look as bad as tranquil gain for me

[stable herald]

if you're totally out of magick, you can omega for free to activate Flood Gain

[uneven palm]

Basically think of it like sometimes infinite magick and your magick bar is there as padding. You can always activate Flood Gain as long as you have enough unprimed magick for the move you’re channeling

[steel sequoia]

didnt worked when i tried

[rocky kraken]

im trying to beat 32 heat on every weapon, do yall recommend frenzy 2? tried it on for a bit and its exponentially harder lol

[glass bone]

For 32, you don’t have to take Frenzy 2, but if you want to go higher, Frenzy 2 is a must for practice.

[uneven palm]

If you’re going to run 32+ a lot it’s worth learning, otherwise you don’t need it

[stable herald]

it's harder but it's the "cheapest" six fear

I'm still not good enough to do Rivals + Frenzy tho

[glass bone]

Yeah, Rivals makes Frenzy so much harder (especially Scylla, Chronos, Prom, and Typhon)

[uneven palm]

Or you can try Frenzy for a bit and turn it off and the game will feel easy

[viral gale]

Does anyone know whether the Huntress Arcana increases Hephaetus's Blast dmg (assuming they're on Attack or Special)? No, right?

[rocky kraken]

currently im doing chill runs with rivals 3 frenzy 1 rn cuz im alittle mental blocked by rivals 4

[uneven palm]

It does not

Huntress is worded “Attack and Special” meaning just regular moves from your weapon. Not omegas, not on-hits added to the weapon

[steel sequoia]

does anybody has a good strenght arcana? im a death player trying to change

[uneven palm]

Just swap em. Layouts mostly don’t change

Like the kinda “standard” layout you’ve got the rolls and cash corner, left col for Divinity, strength or death, then whatever

Wayward is a little nicer with Strength but the cosmic joke is it doesn’t share the column for Divinity

[viral gale]

Yeah I figured. Was just deliberating between Huntress, Night, and The Furies for my last 2-cost to run with Persephone Skull. Night is probably never gonna proc, so Furies it is then.

[uneven palm]

Furies is good there yup

Boosts your Olympian damage to build the gauge faster

[lean totem]

does prominence flare and glorious disaster not work on charon axe anymore?

[steel sequoia]

i dont like eternity so imma play night just for the moon

theres no better 2 point to spend

[uneven palm]

Prominence Flare does, Glorious Disaster does not

[dreamy inlet]

this is absolutely crazy is the double attack staff hammer really that rare?????

its been 4 runs (!!!!!!!) with 2 rolls each run that i havnt seen it

is there weighting on this thing or what?

[steel sequoia]

this looks really bad for death? lmao https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1422206325512994916/20250929095938_1.jpg?ex=68dbd45b&is=68da82db&hm=91bc23e1f5798b86432836f5f24805cde1a33bb773f1b99617e7cd1b74696eb9&

[uncut owl]

drop messenger and take swift runner instead to activate the "5 in a row" card - then id switch lvoers and Night for boatman so you get the bottom left card aswell; unless you playing Momus where you really utilize the omega combos

[steel sequoia]

i like omega weapons more tbh

[uncut owl]

thats fine, do note though the night only works on omega combos, not singular omega moves

meaning you need to alternate every cast

you can defo play without boatman but its a really nice QoL and getting Fates for free then makes it better imo, unless you dont like rerolling

[sterile stag]

quick question, putting here for gameplay reasons, does the "susceptible" in zeus' legendary boon thing mean it just has a chance to instakill enemies that arent immune to the effect like bosses?

[viral yew]

Yes

[timber grotto]

does anyone any suggestion for builds for the last round of night's champion?

thats essentially my last big combat hurdle left in the game

[uncut owl]

it depends on what fear you take tbh, but almost everything can clear 32 fear, just make sure you use Vow or rivals 3 and get used to the bosses

i did mine with aspect of moros, but circe, supay, nergal, medea anubis should all clear with no big problems

[timber grotto]

yeah my suggestions are for what are easy fears outside of the vow of rivals to put in.

i like this game but i am admittedly not very good at it (maxed out god mode)

[vagrant urchin]

This is gonna sound like a cop out, but genuinely you can use pretty much anything you want for 32 fear. Just as long as you're comfortable with it and generally know how to play the weapon

Though if taking suggestions you should attempt medea with blitz on the special and some form of percentage boost to the attack :3

Love that thing to bits

[sour cape]

I like cast builds so Circe

Used to be Pan but idk its been nerfed a lot and Momus way back when it was broken 😂

[timber grotto]

nodding

i guess i gotta workshop it more

[vagrant urchin]

Pan had a weird thing with it where Poseidon's waves had a cool down that nerfed that aspect considerably

Idk if that was fixed

[sour cape]

Yea thats true but it used to be faster channel

[echo briar]

Trying a Zeus aspect of Hel run, which duo does everyone think I should go for? Hera or Hestia? (Already did Poseidon)

[pure grove]

Hera. Zeus loves his levels

Although, Hestia isn’t bad either for the Origination

[echo briar]

Maybe I’ll be greedy and aim for both lol

[glass bone]

If you have Zeus Attack, Hestia Cast seems best to grab Thermal Dynamics. Though personally I prefer just taking Scorch Attack Hitch Special

[scenic bane]

how can i combat the rng issue of torches if i dont hit a good mana boon

[echo briar]

Yep I’ve already done scorch attack with both hitch and frost special (and I’ve done a few more poseidon attack runs) now I wanted to test how Zeus attack compares (Hel is my favorite aspect rn if you couldn’t tell lmao)

[glass bone]

Though it’s not ideal, you can use Special or Attack still. And also, Reroll / Fate Die, Silver Wheel, and Hecuba mean you should be able to manage Magick on all torches reasonably well at 32 and below.

[echo briar]

Also the boons that slot into the left often get priority for getting offered (these are strike, special, cast, dash, and magick recovery) so you can somewhat manipulate it to get a mana boon if you fill up the other slots

[scenic bane]

if i take a mana regen boon do i decrease my odds to hit a different one

should i hold out for a good one

[echo briar]

Yes significantly

You rarely get replacement boons (unless you buy the well of charon item that guarantees a sacrifice boon in your next blessing)

You can never go wrong with Hera or Apollo’s regen boons (I also like Aphro’s but it doesn’t work well for torches)

My personal favorite is Ares’ because it also gives you speed the more you collect but you kinda need his legendary to make it more viable

It’s why Ares runs are always fun imo

[worldly vector]

Chat whose boon was the one that said take no more than 20 damage a hit

I saw that boon once but forgot

[charred dagger]

Demeter infusion. If you take more than 30 dmg reduce it by 10. you need 6 water

[worldly vector]

Was it not a damage cap?

Did I read wrong

[spring raft]

hey, I'm wondering something. What's the best setup to take one of Arachne's dresses to the final boss? I tried doing an underworld run but lost all of the dress to Scylla 😂

[stable herald]

it used to be a damage cap but it was nerfed in a later early access update

[stable herald]

Start with Hephaestus and get Trusty Shield, and Heavy Metal if you can. Then take the Silken Sash and keep it for the rest of the run. Other than that it's just about not getting hit and getting lucky with armor rewards

[spring raft]

ahhh ok. thank you

[wild citrus]

Hi, which would yall say is better (melione axe rank 2 or thanatos axe rank 2)

[echo briar]

Update I ended up getting NEITHER this must be the greed the seven deadly sins talk abt 🤧

[echo briar]

Depends on which you prefer using, personally I like thanatos better

[wild citrus]

okay tyy. Any good duo gods u reccomemend? Dont want zues, hera, or aphrodite; using them too much :p

[sour cape]

Oh wow that one got nerfed a lot 😂

Used to be earth too I think 🤔

[echo briar]

Oh for the axe apollo on attack is almost always my go to, not sure about duos tho I haven’t used thanatos aspect since months ago

[charred dagger]

I just did a run w Thanatos

[sour cape]

Coarse Grit used to be 15 dmg cap too 😔

[charred dagger]

They buffed the atack speed to 40% so it is genuinly beautiful. Apollo if def a way to go

[wispy iron]

I'm wondering, for the Hera / Hestia duo damage, do you need to actually replenish magick, or merely fulfilling the condition to replenish the magick works ?

[charred dagger]

When you replenish magik it does the damage

if ur running hestia ur only gonna be doing like 30 extra dmg, if ur doing heras thats like 300

wait thats the same dmg overtime

and heras would cause you to do less

but big dmg number silly

[sour cape]

Hmmm is Zeus cast better charging omega or just normal?

[stray bobcat]

it's pretty strong normal

[final sedge]

What is the damage of omega casts when the skill has a damage over time on it?

[spiral wadi]

if it's a core cast boon, it just behaves the exact same with the omega dmg in the end

[modest pecan]

for moros torches is it better to go for a hera attack, zeus special with ocean swell and fine line for ripple effect, or to go for like appollo or aphrodite on attack with zeus special and mayube hera cast for hitch? or something else entirely

[glass bone]

The former. Though the main bonus imo is to grab Born / Flood Gain after Hera Attack or Zeus Special

[pulsar folio]

hey so, is there a way to maximize the chances of getting legendary boons?

[modest pecan]

yeah ofc. is there any noticible difference (for non fear pushers/speedrunners) between zeus special hera attack and hera special zeus attack?

[pulsar folio]

aside from picking the right boon requirements

[rugged moon]

Other then using the legendary arcana card not really

[glass bone]

Well the general idea is that the specials spin so fast, they hit the enemies first, then the explosions occur. So there is a difference between the two.

Moros buffs the percentage of Attack explosions, so Hera Attack > Zeus Attack for maximum boosts.

[grave parcel]

Can you only get a godsent hex if you have the correct god's boon before taking a boon from Selene? Or is it the first time you see the path of stars that blocks you from getting godsent after? I've only had them twice so far

[modest pecan]

ahh i see. thx

[rugged moon]

Path of stars is set on getting hex

[glass bone]

And also the special of torches got nerfed now to 20 damage in 1.0, so the % on Moros wouldn’t be doing as much as Attack

[rugged moon]

You can actually see your path immedietely after picking up to know if its worth going for more selene

[pulsar folio]

anyone got a good build combo for Selene aspect Black coat?

[rugged moon]

Does “reset until you get the good path options” count?

[pulsar folio]

i suppose but does the built in hex get a godsent buff?

[grave parcel]

How?

[rugged moon]

Go to it in the boon screen and hit info button

[glass bone]

Uh… just go full on Godsent. You need Ares though for the Godsent, and also you really want to get Cascade as a hex node

Then when you do that, spam OSpecials

[grave parcel]

Thanks. I was trying to find some way to do that before

[pulsar folio]

sorry i dont know what cascade is, which effect is that

[glass bone]

Your hex fires 1 time each time you use an Omega move

[grave parcel]

I always take Selene's keepsake for the second area

[pulsar folio]

oh ok

so you just spam rockets?

so ares and selune focus i guess?

[grave parcel]

Black coat is still my least favorite weapon. But I haven't unlocked Aspect of Nyx yet. That one takes ages to get

[glass bone]

Personally I prefer all of the other coats, but as I’ve said to others in the past: all aspects work at 32 and 50 Fear, so my opinions may have a bias towards some ridiculously high fear levels.

[pulsar folio]

oh, i only plan on doing it once

[glass bone]

Trust me when I say, it’ll be worth the wait

[pulsar folio]

for selune affinity requirements

i think you only need to clear with it once right?

[grave parcel]

I take chaos boons almost 100% of the time and only have 3 flux

[glass bone]

I think you need a maximized hex and then speak to her at a later point.

[grave parcel]

Is there updated info on how to unlock hidden aspects?

[glass bone]

Yes. Get all aspects, get 1 aspect to Rank V, then speak to the Familiar person in the aspect list until you get a waking phrase

[grave parcel]

Is there also a way to see how many rooms I have left in an area before the boss?

[rugged moon]

Yes and no

[glass bone]

And to be clear, that doesn’t mean “get all aspects for any Hidden Aspects”. That applies to each weapon

[pulsar folio]

its not a maximized hex since i did that with anubis staff and a different hex and it didnt let me give her ambrosia yet

[rugged moon]

There is a way to see your current room number. And each region has a set (ish) number of rooms

[pulsar folio]

i think you need to clear with selune aspect black coat

[grave parcel]

Does Mel's aspect count at Rank V?

[glass bone]

So for example, to get Anubis, you need Circe and Momus unlocked, and any of the 3 to Rank V

[glass bone]

I believe it should, yes

[fallen stirrup]

hey guys whats some good boons for the torches (Moros aspect)

[grave parcel]

That's the one I'm trying to get now. I think I just need to find Circe again. Staff seems to be the most consistently great weapon

Circe is absurd

[glass bone]

Sworn Strike, Heaven Flourish, Born Gain / Flood Gain.

[pulsar folio]

real talk

i think torches are the most broken

[glass bone]

Yeah, I feel like Staff is probably the best overall aspect. Momus isn’t extremely strong at high fears, but it does solid work 50 and below. And every other aspect is fantastic for 62-65, probably.

[fallen stirrup]

so a mix of hera and zeus

[grave parcel]

Any weapon that lets me stay away from Prometheus is my favorite. With Circe I just spam omega casts on him

[glass bone]

Yes. But as mentioned, don’t be afraid to not take Born Gain with Denial if you get an Epic Sworn Strike. Flood Gain also is fantastic

Also, if you want to be real silly, you can take either Lucid Gain or Tranquil Gain. Those also are really good, but idk how good they are with Moros specifically

[grave parcel]

How difficult is vow of rivals considered to be? I had a lot of trouble with unrivaled Hecate my first time

[rugged moon]

Very

[grave parcel]

I'm afraid of unrivaled Scylla

[spiral wadi]

all of uw rivals are difficult, surface rivals are also cracked but poly and eris are kinda free once u get used to them

[glass bone]

With the exception of probably… Polyphemus, and maybe Eris and Cerberus, it is 100% worth the fear, because they are super hard.

[rugged moon]

Probably the hardest per fear options honestly

[grave parcel]

Is the only reason to do those to unlock harder vow of rivals?

[glass bone]

Well there is a Prophecy for seeing / beating all of them

[fallen stirrup]

Question about the rival mark does it only work on the first boss untill you unlock the other ones or do they all get effected?

[pulsar folio]

polyphemus is annoying as hell on rivals

[glass bone]

You have to unlock each one.

[fallen stirrup]

kk tyty

[pulsar folio]

is there any counterplay to the poison aside from "dont get hit 4head?"

[glass bone]

So you fight the Region 1 Rivals, unlock Region 2, etc.

[grave parcel]

I'm only intending to play until I get the true ending

[glass bone]

It confused me at first, but there are 4 fountains across the arena to remove the poison.

[rugged moon]

Medea has gone down on my favorite npcs lost for that reintroduced mechanic

[grave parcel]

There are places to cure yourself on the edges

[pulsar folio]

oh ok

i didnt even see em, ill have to check

[rugged moon]

Theyre the same as hades 1

If you remember the rat rooms

[grave parcel]

At this point I can probably just do 3 more Circe runs and call it a day. It wrecks ||Typhon||

[glass bone]

If I had to say which rivals are most difficult… ||Scylla, Chronos, Prom, and Typhon are far and away the worst to deal with across all fear levels. Scylla is probably the easiest of these 4 though once you get used to her, but each have some nonsense combos||

I personally struggle the most with ||Rival Typhon||, but that’s because I do far more UW runs than Surface

Like if I had to rate them in difficulty…. ||Polyphemus <= Eris < Hecate (assuming you are not at 62 Fear with Timer issues) < Cerberus < Scylla < Prometheus < Chronos <= Typhon)||

[visual flume]

yeah there are the healing fountains

it was rough the first time but now I feel like I can mostly just avoid the poison and be fine, just don't step in the green puddles

[glass bone]

||Chronos’s difficulty spikes in 1 part of Phase 1, and all of Phase 3, while Typhon’s difficulty spikes at Phase 4, then flatlines a little at the end. But if you are not used to either, these rival fights can be runenders in an instant.||

[visual flume]

biggest annoyance with (unrivalled prometheus) ||heracles|| is when you're trying to memorize the second round and he's distracting you

[glass bone]

Spoiler mark that pls

[visual flume]

||so I try to kill him first||

[glass bone]

That’s like a massive spoiler tbh…

Thanks!

[visual flume]

i mean we can't really talk about what unrivalled prometheus does without, y'know

funnily enough other than it making the second memorization phase worse I didn't find it that bad though? this is probably just me getting more practice in that said

but screwing that phase up means you can easily eat like 100+ damage

[tacit laurel]

would this be the correct place to ask about understanding the weapons 🥲

[visual flume]

which weapon

but yeah sure

[tacit laurel]

its more im having trouble understanding how to use anything other then sister blades and staff? if that makes sense

[visual flume]

what do you have unlocked

[tacit laurel]

everything except the|| hidden aspects ||

[visual flume]

most weapons will work fine if you build them correctly, though I'm personally not really a fan of the regular staff

may want to experiment more since some of the playstyles are different

[tacit laurel]

is it just a thing of like with the skulls i want hammers?

maybe im just finding em weird cause im used to the fast sickles

[visual flume]

for skull you want to take advantage of the special retrieving ammo (and also being good for quick movement) between shooting stuff

unless you're using medea then you're actually just spec dashing all the time

[tacit laurel]

OH I SEE

[elfin forge]

yeah the special magnets ammo

[visual flume]

they also made it shoot faster I think

[elfin forge]

shoot 4, special to the side, rinse and repeat, at least for mel aspect

[tacit laurel]

last time i tried a diffrent weapon was torch on first patch

[zinc hill]

anyone know if you can find echo in trials? trying to get that death defiance boon from her

[elfin forge]

I don't think so, most npcs aren't in trials

[zinc hill]

rippp

whelp time to just do runs until i get her

wish there was a mod to reroll echo

[pulsar folio]

ok so for me, i have been getting echo like

100% of the time after medusa wardens in fields

actually 100%

[zinc hill]

but was that in trials or regular coz i get her on most regular runs

[pulsar folio]

regular

[tacit laurel]

echo seems to be a 50/50 for me i barley see ||herc ||tho

[zinc hill]

just need her death defiance boon and i can finish this prophecy

[tacit laurel]

you might need to have lost a death thats when i see that one normal

[zinc hill]

will do

[spiral wadi]

echo basically always shows up if u take midboss 2nd room

[fading umbra]

Any build for Circe without death defiance/toula?

[elfin forge]

hestia keepsake, hestia cast, raki

[spiral wadi]

fields is super boring cuz of how extremely common the main path is two -> midboss -> echo -> three

[visual flume]

last time I ran it I did a storm ring cast

[tacit laurel]

good luck

[visual flume]

no toula though

[spiral wadi]

smolder ring got nerfed tho

or rather bugfixed

[elfin forge]

still good I think? idk it worked

[visual flume]

pretty sure circe you're just supposed to run a cast build to take advantage of the built in double cast

[spiral wadi]

hm fair

[fallen iris]

Does Heinous Affront work with Defensive Posture now? Seems like a cracked synergy on paper but it didn't work before 1.0 iirc

[spiral wadi]

yea but i still take aphro cast for utility sometimes

[fallen iris]

I'm running Circe and have a choice between mental block and defensive posture + Heinous affront

But if defensive posture still doesn't work I'll waste athena lol

[spiral wadi]

defensive posture prob super bad if ur using heinous

unless ur like controlling when u apply wounds

cuz ig u can save wounds on a weapon, then use it when u need instant 2sec immunity

[fallen iris]

It's more of an on-top thing, if I could get the invincibility from Heinous affront it'd come in clutch

I'm running a cast build, so I can just use attack whenever I'd need

[spiral wadi]

i see, ye that's like 2 out of 9 sec at epic?

[fallen iris]

Yeah, but it'll suck if it doesn't work with Heinous

I'd rather just get mental block in that case

[spiral wadi]

idk i still like it for room spam lol

[fallen iris]

Eh, we ball

I'll see if it works

Of course it doesn't work lmao

[pulsar folio]

ok so for those of you have have already seen it, i just need to know because im working towards it. is the rivals version of chronos/typhon BGM as facemeltingly awesome as unseen ones?

(dont link it or anything i wanna hear it in game first but im just wondering if its as much of a banger)

[elfin forge]

(no, imo)

[pulsar folio]

🥺

[spiral wadi]

i like it

drums go brr

did they change it so music doesn't play during babality

i always felt like just the sound of a ticking clock would be perfect since ur literally waiting for time

[zinc hill]

so this did work but nem showed up and scared echo off 😭

[pulsar folio]

😭 🤣

[rigid steppe]

The game has painfully taught me I need to be playing it more like a bullet hell shooter. I used to run up on the cyclops all day before and it’s hard to unlearn.

[elfin forge]

less like a bullet hell more like dark souls I think
You can't attak 80% of the time, more like 40% of the time

[tacit laurel]

rivals is evil i got used to mashing with my dodges

[zinc hill]

?

[elfin forge]

rivals is evil, I agree

[zinc hill]

true i still need the last 2 surface rivals and fina underworld one

but thats after born to win and when i finish the other phophecies

[tacit laurel]

||ive only done first 2 bosses||

[zinc hill]

ah

[elfin forge]

rivals 2 underworld is completely absurd

[tacit laurel]

you mean the scylla?

[elfin forge]

yeah

[tacit laurel]

without spoilers

does the song change?

[elfin forge]

I don't remember actually, I don't think they get fully new songs

I think one new song?

[fossil matrix]

rivals 2 underworld is my favorite fight in the game, so fun. Absolutely hate both the rivals 1 fights

[elfin forge]

rivals 1 is chill and pretty fun
rivals 2 is so mean

you really can't tell me that frenzy rival scylla is able to be done damageless consistently

[fossil matrix]

yeah I said fun not easy

[tacit laurel]

i cant even do normal damageless

[zinc hill]

i think it did during early access but they did play it for me during a non rivals run

[tacit laurel]

ah i see

[elfin forge]

I think they add it to their repertoire

[warped egret]

Hello.. Can someone explain to me how scorch works? Does hitting an enemy who already got hit by scorch with a scorch atk increase scorch dps

[surreal hazel]

no

[tacit laurel]

||i hope the dog changes cause i think the dog is the easiest boss in the game ||

[zinc hill]

it just stacks and lasts longer

[surreal hazel]

Basically every second, scorch takes 100 of its stacks and deals 100 damage

[zinc hill]

i mean rivals does change every boss lol

[surreal hazel]

(okay, it does this 6 tiems a second, but you get the idea)

[zinc hill]

not saying how though

[warped egret]

Ahh
So to up the actual rate of damage, you need to upgrade/get more boons?

[warped egret]

I thiiink i do

And different sources of scorch arent counted as different instances right?

[surreal hazel]

You can upgrade the rate scorch ticks down with Pyro Technique, But all olympian and generic damage bonuses improve how much damage scorch does

[zinc hill]

ik there are some boons that can make scorch do more damage

[surreal hazel]

Scorch is scorch

[zinc hill]

like the hestia dem duo

[tacit laurel]

INFINTE SCORCH MY BELOVED

[warped egret]

Yaa
There is a lot, but basically hitting them over and over w ny weapon wont up the dps rate, just adds to the stack...

[zinc hill]

yeah^

[surreal hazel]

yes

caps at 999 too

[warped egret]

Okok ty

I love scorch speed up boon

[zinc hill]

4 more duo boons to get til i finish this prophecy

[warped egret]

How many stacks of scorch do u apply per hit? Or is it the scorch dmg text on the boon?

[surreal hazel]

what the boon says, yeah

[warped egret]

✍️

Thank you! Jwkfnsjf i truly dont knlw what im doing.. Just vibing through it all

[elfin forge]

nah scorch is confusing

The best way I can describe scorch is with an example:
Scorch drains at 100 per second, dealing 100 damage per second.
You slap an enemy and apply 50 scorch. The scorch will wear off in 0.5 seconds, and deal 50 damage.
Scorch caps at 999
You slap an enemy and apply 1200 scorch at once. 999 scorch is applied, which wears off in about 10 seconds, dealing 999 damage.

[civic ocean]

Use the gun analogy its pog

[warped egret]

Pog

[elfin forge]

Pyro technique affects how fast the scorch drains. If you have +100%, then 999 scorch wears off in 5 seconds, dealing 999 damage.

[warped egret]

Okay now im just asking about boons jm unsure about but are ares' primary boons good for any specific play style /in general?

[elfin forge]

Wounds, in my opinion, are good as combo or support.
They allow you to oneshot most enemies in roomclearing, and apply an easy debuff.
You can also sorta treat it like Hephaestus, a cooldown button to hit every once in a while for big chunk.
Secondary boons like Grievous blow also allow you to minicrit, which is incredibly powerful.

I don't think there is specifically an aspect that loves ares above all else. It's more of an alternate playstyle, I'd say

[surreal hazel]

Wounds loves AoE

[warped egret]

Ooh
Okay ✍️
Ive been skipping wounds and focusing on his gain and secondary boons, though i take hid cast if i dont have 1 and just want a damaging cast
His cast and sprint? Not so much?

[surreal hazel]

hitting as many as possible with it

[elfin forge]

his cast and sprint are kinda doodoo ngl

[warped egret]

✍️
I should try it out with nergal then, ive only used nergal once

[warped egret]

Checks out lol they feel bad

[surreal hazel]

Sword drops have two duos that make them much much better

[visual flume]

idk if ares attack makes sense on nergal because you want to ramp up that aspd

and there's a cd on wound application

[spiral wadi]

plasma farming

[warped egret]

I dodnt know if they reworked grisly gain, i kinda feel like???? It wasnt this bad before? But not sure

[spiral wadi]

nah grisly was ass it's in a far better spot rn

[elfin forge]

It's more for free plasma, I think

[visual flume]

I only remember the one where it was prime your hp for mana

[spiral wadi]

esp with new keepsakes it's easier to use grisly in higher fear

[warped egret]

Ahhh
Idk if im unlucky or just misremembering then, i feel like im not earning as much plasma or magik renewal

[warped egret]

I barely take that one... Idk jf thats the right choice or not, im least experimental with my gain boon lol

[elfin forge]

It does synergize well with plasma, just not sure if it's worth a whole gain slot

[spiral wadi]

i think the issue with plasma rn is that once ur super good at room clears, ur never getting plasma past 10 to 20% range

[warped egret]

I have 3 gains i know will never fail me and i will not be changing them

[warped egret]

JANCS YEAH thats been my experience
And theres the retain plasma thing but i usually see it in the 3rd area so it feels kinda mid, especially when i could just chase down hermes boons, or even apollo if i just want more general wiggle room

[spiral wadi]

yea retain plasma is completely ass

there's like 0 point in getting it

like being super generous, getting 30% in a room will only be 6% next

[warped egret]

I guess its cumulative but its so slow
I usually see it at 20% whivh is so low

[surreal hazel]

Not how that boon works

[elfin forge]

poor plasma

[surreal hazel]

it just saves up to 20% total

[warped egret]

Ohhh

[spiral wadi]

wtf make that more clear then

[surreal hazel]

basically once you have over 20 in any room, you'll always be starting rooms at 20%

[warped egret]

Jesus Christ

[civic ocean]

Thats what it says wdym

[spiral wadi]

everything is % so i assumed it was 20% of current plasma

[warped egret]

Okay see getting to minimum 20 or 30% after 2 rooms is different

I also understood it as x% of your plasma count

[civic ocean]

Also did I see falling blade slander in this chat

Real ones know ares dash is based

[elfin forge]

yes, I will slander it

[surreal hazel]

"Max plasma bonus retained: 20%"

[warped egret]

Is it good should i give it another shot

[spiral wadi]

idk plasma still ass but 20% starts are ok ig

[surreal hazel]

it's pretty clear ngl

[warped egret]

I would not be here if i grasped all the boons so easily 😔

[spiral wadi]

eh still feels ambiguous

[civic ocean]

Don’t come here anyways just go play and come up with your own stuff its more fun that way

[warped egret]

Im gonna mess around w hestia & ares dash some more

[spiral wadi]

tru, my first clears in both uw and surface used heph blast on axe

[warped egret]

Generally agree but tbh rn im getting stuck in chasing the same general loadouts so i wanted to see if theres stuff i missed

[civic ocean]

There always is stuff we missed

[warped egret]

Thats why im here!!

[civic ocean]

Stop doing the same general loadouts congrats you are free

[warped egret]

😭 Anyway...

[civic ocean]

@spiral wadi what is the worst thing we can tell people to play when they come here and ask “whats good build”

The problem is everything is too good

Executioner chop mel axe

[spiral wadi]

hell splitter aphrodite attack

[civic ocean]

Hell splitter hestia

[warped egret]

Yeah and ive spent most of my time playing by myself, idk whats the issue w asking for some ideas on what people do 😭

Jokes on u i dont remember boon names 💭

[civic ocean]

No issue!

[spiral wadi]

hell splitter atk scales with % right

[surreal hazel]

yep, a 300 base power attack

[spiral wadi]

nice

i gotta remember to use specials more to cancel out of the final attack

it's the only way to safely cancel

i do wish final attack was more like an aoe around u instead of in front of u

[surreal hazel]

protip, dash when the axe is held aloft on the final strike

she'll dash and still attack with it

[vague zinc]

Anubis staff is so incredibly fun

[spiral wadi]

there's way too much endlag i literally cannot do anything while projectiles or wailers or oceanus spinny guys rapidly approach me

[surreal hazel]

dash out of it

[spiral wadi]

like final attack literally feels like a "stop spamming attack play medea for that"

dash still forces u to attack and forces u into endlag

it doesn't cancel

[surreal hazel]

I mean after it hits

or just special to get another cheeky hit

[spiral wadi]

eh

[vague zinc]

Anubis got so much better after I realized i could reposition the omega attack followup after a dash through the initial attack. I still didn't get used to dashing out and continuing combos for most things

My build didn't even trigger origination and it still felt so damn strong

[digital juniper]

does scorn from gigaros dash count for orig? it doesn’t, right?

[surreal hazel]

olympian curses only

[digital juniper]

yep, makes sense

[civic ocean]

Scorn does basically give you near-origination levels of damage boost on the attack and special tho

[digital juniper]

wait is scorn just attack and special and not global? seems like i’ve never read the description too closely

[spiral wadi]

ye just atk and spec

[civic ocean]

Yes it’s attack and special

[digital juniper]

ahh i see, good to know

||scorn c1 with pom is probably still best start for speed, right?||

[civic ocean]

||Probably yes, though Howling Soul and Unseen Ire are both b good for early dmg||

[wintry grove]

i think i got sheep's clothing achievement by launching a daybreaker right before getting cursed.

[bronze flax]

I got that one with a Terrain Kill

[signal coral]

I remember someone posting a video of giga high fear no magick zeus special start on pan and everyone went nuts over it because until that point everyone assumed pan had to be played as poseidon start omega-focus.

[zinc mural]

so is poseidon's magick blessing kinda bad?

[rugged moon]

its great

[worldly vector]

How to play aspect of charon and which gods

[rugged moon]

it works when you ahve 0 mana

[zinc mural]

Does it slowly eat away at magick

or does recover the amount you used every second for the duration?

[signal coral]

Apollo gain is recommended. Other than that its flexible

Just play the aspect gimmick. Put cast down, use omega special.

[elfin forge]

if you ever hit 0, you can still use omega and it'll trigger your mana regen

[rugged moon]

it "eats away" but its usuable at 0 and will refill you up to the amount used to trigger it

[zinc mural]

okay I understand now

[rapid bolt]

Lightning lance from Zeus and smouldering coal from hestia are both really good with it

[zinc mural]

not sure if I would take it over others but eh

[signal coral]

How does poseidon gain work exactly? I haven't used it since they reworked it

[rugged moon]

as was described to me its basicly a borngain

it will refil you almost instantly of any mana used for a duration

[elfin forge]

You use an omega, and you have a period of passive mana regen
Then it goes on cooldown for 8 seconds.
If you somehow run out of mana, it's fine. When it's off cooldown, you can use an omega for free to trigger the regen as well.
Basically braindead mana, no think, only mana

[zinc mural]

The old mana regen from poseidon was amazingly strong

[signal coral]

How fast is the passive regen?

[zinc mural]

basically infinite mana as long as you hit something

[rugged moon]

extremely

[elfin forge]

no one wanted to pick up the bubbles tho

[zinc mural]

really? i never even bothered, I just ran into them by accident

but I also used high multi-hit weapons and blessings so It should drop like 20 bubbles in a second

[signal coral]

So basically I have infinite mana for 5 seconds or whatever, then no mana for 8 seconds?

[zinc mural]

(hyperbole)

[signal coral]

Repeat in 5-8 sec loops

[rugged moon]

yes

[elfin forge]

yeah basically. I think it's best for weapons where you use omegas occasionally for a buff or damage zone

[signal coral]

Ah okay, seems annoying but workable

[elfin forge]

like, you can also just use hestia gain so I don't really get what poseidon's niche is

or aphro, which comes with a curse

[turbid parrot]

hmm any tips for|| Anubis||? i feel like its very different from other staff aspects

also is it worth using before its level5?

[elfin forge]

dash attack + cast at the same time
this creates a damage zone of death
then use special to supplement

Hestia attack demeter cast is my personal favorite combo

[elfin forge]

yeah, the omega thing is nice but not necessary, I usually play without omegas

[signal coral]

The attacks not having hitstun is a bit cursed but you have a ton of downtime between attacks so you can dodge

[elfin forge]

yeah, ideally you get freeze and gust to make up for it

and special can stunlock an enemy or two

[cosmic steppe]

did a master conductor anubis with apollo attack test run to see if theres potential for me to beat 24f surface with it and holy hell

[elfin forge]

yeah that probably slapped lmao

[icy citrus]

anyone know a good build for Xinth?

aspect of melinoe in specific

[green harbor]

the best one is with scylla's achievment

||breaking up the band||

[worldly vector]

On aspect of charon should I take the ares special if he's asking to give up apollo special?

Idk the math here

[civic ocean]

Both are fine - the trick with Apollo special, and I am not actually 100% if this is still true, but it used to be that Apollo Special would overlap circles with Charon and you would hit twice

[balmy hare]

does anyone have comprehensive damage calculations for the ability boons yet

id like to directly compare scaling between the +x% damage boons

[civic ocean]

There’s no damage calculator, not that I know of anyways

But I can tell you that Aphrodite scales the most, followed by I believe Hera, Apollo, Demeter, and then Ares last

I will also tell you that generally speaking it’s the things that these boons do outside of their raw damage (other than Aph) which is why they are taken

[worldly vector]

Aph is close range only tho

[zinc hill]

doing one of the randomizer trials and in region 4 and i got circe's keepsake....