h2-builds-and-combat

[elfin forge]

this is slightly outdated

but it's also kinda correct

basically strength is not 100% the meta anymore

[signal coral]

choosing between strength and death is preference now

whereas before strength was just better for the most part

[elfin forge]

it's kind of interesting because not that much really changed

[clever drum]

the way you phrase it sounds like picking both at the same time

[elfin forge]

equip both for maximum antisynergy

[signal coral]

thanks, i fixed it

[signal coral]

50 -> 40% is actually a big nerf

if you have 100 HP, with old strength thats 200 effective hp

with new strength its only 166

[tardy fossil]

Hey, uh, is it intentional that if Silken Sash levels up, it gives you an instant burst of a bajillion armor

[signal coral]

and you will often have more than 100 HP in a strength run so the nerf is likely 50+ hp lost

plus all healing is nerfed as well

[woeful saddle]

also is aspect of eos good now

or is it still bad

[elfin forge]

when a keepsake levels up, its effect is refreshed

this can result in some silly runs

[tardy fossil]

Yeah, but it gave me way more than 30 armor

[elfin forge]

interesting

[tardy fossil]

Actually, wait, I bet it gave me 30 armor +1 for every time it's given me armor this run lmao

I'd had it on since after Erebus and I just entered Tartarus

[signal coral]

all the torches are fine i think

[tardy fossil]

still think I got like 71, that still feels like too much even for that though

[clever drum]

What about black coat? It's the weapon I know the least about, any aspect to "avoid"? I think I only used Selene back in Olympic update

[spiral wadi]

mel flames is prob the weakest aspect and has been since unseen

[elfin forge]

nah they're all decent

[tardy fossil]

actually, no, that probably tracks, nvm

[elfin forge]

If I had to pick a "worst" it'd probably be mel coat?

maybe? but idk

I prefer special spam on coat with attack as supplemental

[signal coral]

coat felt very bad to me two patches ago when I last played

I started a new file this patch and haven't gotten too far yet so I can't comment much on how it feels now

[elfin forge]

I've basically just used nyx lol

Shiva should be good now with bouncy balls

[signal coral]

coat was the only weapon I couldn't do 32 fear surface with

[fossil yoke]

What are key tips to ||Unrivaled Cerberus||? All other bosses I can see what can be done, but ||Cerberus|| I cannot fathom how to handle without either big damage oneshotting, or it taking from me multiple DDs or 90% of my hp pool 😄

[signal coral]

I died a bunch of times and then decided to just shelve the game until 1.0 dropped

[steel sequoia]

whats good with supay? im kinda totally lost with it

[elfin forge]

the omega special is quite good, get poseidon or Hestia on it

getting zeus for chain lightning and blitz is great as well

[woeful saddle]

you might need to rely on the invincibility you get when dodging

[elfin forge]

I really don't know, I basically treat him as normal but with more downtime, I don't find him to be the biggest shakeup out of the Rivals

I haven't fought him in 1.0 though so maybe he's brutal now

[spiral wadi]

rival cerb is about the same

i think they toned down his fire spit dash fire spit move so it's not egregious to dodge

[elfin forge]

yeah his worst attack was his long range firebreath

I think it's supposed to be a parry?

[spiral wadi]

doubt

cerb can do firebreath like 3 times in a row

[elfin forge]

the thing where he like raises his arms is supposed to be a parry

and then he breathes fire in response

[spiral wadi]

ah yea if u strike with weapon he reacts

[elfin forge]

yeah I hated that attack, and also the respositioning fire beams

[spiral wadi]

also i had an unseen where if he's doing the single laser spit attack and he parries, he continues firing the spit even during the parry

i meant to report but i was too deep in the 62f axe attempts

and can't report on deck

so have to check if it still happens in 1.0

but yea for the fire spit dash move, u wanna pay attention to where he's looking cuz that's the exact direction he will dash towards

[barren badger]

been trying to do a judgement arcana run on the surface, but can't really get past polyphemus with poison night pact with the health available.

[spiral wadi]

ye u basically want persistence

prob persistence strength frinos

[barren badger]

What trinket should be good?

some crutch to survive till i get cards after cyclops?

or glass cannon to hope to get lucky

[spiral wadi]

tbh prob just a god keepsake that can start u off in dmg

[barren badger]

tooth is good for starting damage

[spiral wadi]

as in actually dealing damage

[hidden marlin]

what weapon goes best with Blitz? Just had a miserably slow Black Coat run with blitz attack, throughout the whole thing I wished I had picked literally anything else

[amber cliff]

anyone know if the huntress activates if you just have magick primed?
Could priming magick make it permanently active?

[barren badger]

sythe axe works really well with electric with quick attacks

[elfin forge]

Blitz is best as your secondary damage source

for example, I did a nyx coat run where I had zeus attack, poseidon special.

Mash attack and special. Attack applies blitz, special and poseidon waves detonate it

Medea, anubis, and torches also suit it as well

[barren badger]

Medea is basically cheating because you just charge all your boons onto your dash attack

[dusty ember]

for daggers aspect of pan is the +3 daggers hammer better or the ricochet one?

[elfin forge]

+3 daggers by far

the best single hammer in the entire game

[dusty ember]

thank you

i didnt remember that hammer being that effective

[hidden marlin]

Thanks guys I'm gonna keep those weapons in mind if I decide to try blitz again

[elfin forge]

its so good, its how the first 67 fear was accomplished

[wooden carbon]

What's the meta build for no fear moros? I've been playing it more and I want to try a more well defined build

[dusty ember]

i thought it wasnt that good after pan was nerfed

[elfin forge]

zeus special, apollo or aphro atk

[wooden carbon]

I'm thinking Apollo for legendary? Or does aphro have something I'm missing

Although the legendary makes it way too expensive now, might try hestia zeus duo

[shadow marsh]

Has anyone else observed that ||the jeweled pom keepsake|| with Judgement locks out the three arcana that give rerolls? Seems like a huge buff because it makes judgement runs entirely reliable.

[elfin forge]

idk I dont think about legendaries

[untold cargo]

i haven't played this game since a few months during EA and have now begun a fresh file. still very early in my gameplay but i love that zeus is still so op. "play the game and your foe is struck by lightning" .... i missed you, hades 1. and i actually want to get demeter boons now because demeter + backstab is really effective.

[dusty ember]

how does archaic seal work with breath of eros?

[obsidian tundra]

Does the ||black coat|| weapon not have any ||upgrades?|| theres nothing in my list

[dusty ember]

it does

i got an archaic seal chimaera jerky lmao

[alpine sandal]

I'm intrigued by aspect of Momus. At first it feels a bit unwieldy, but there's some fun potential there. And burst damage once you catch something in crossfire is just hilarious

[dusk zealot]

best skull aspect? Also general best combo for it?

[austere horizon]

Hi, i am trippin or the zeus charged boon take a really slow time to activate even if i'm makin 120 on hit sometimes it doesnt trigger before 4 second?

[alpine sandal]

the damage counter starts after you apply it

so the hit that applies it doesn't count

[austere horizon]

feels bad man 🥲 thanks for the clarification !

[elfin forge]

The "best" is Medea but it plays quite differently

[spiral wadi]

zeus showing up 1st room 3 runs in a row for plot reasons is pissing me off

let me use my god keepsakes damit

[dusk zealot]

That's the only one I've really used because it seemed the most fun haha. How do the other play?

[elfin forge]

mel skull: shoot until you run out of ammo, special to reload

[dusk zealot]

Like the omega attack seems kind of lame

[elfin forge]

Hel: shoot them till they die, or use ospecial and then go full dakka

omega attack can be used for spawncamping or really long range

the damage is quite high as well

[quaint steeple]

Anyone know what to build for Artemis aspect on Sister Blades?

[dusk zealot]

Is persephone played similar to mel?

[alpine sandal]

ahahah you can polymorph ||dragon miniboss||, a bit unexpected

[barren badger]

I don't really understand how to get the sheeps clothing achievment. do you just have to get damage over time on the withces and hope they die when you get polymorphed?

or is there a way to attack as a sheep

[spiral wadi]

if u have toula it's ez just dash into her to wake her up

[alpine sandal]

yes, you can click attack and bump for 1 damage. On the other hand, trees only take 2 hits from anything before they explode regardless of damage...

[barren badger]

Is it different on controller? I didn't realize you could attack with sheep. ill have to try it out

[alpine sandal]

ye, it's just your normal attack button. You do a little headbutt, very short range

but you can blow up trees

[elfin forge]

or your familiar can do damage for you

[barren badger]

Ive only really tried the bird and the ferret so far.

Taking forever to upgrade all the pets

[elfin forge]

you don't really need to upgrade all of their stuff to max, but yeah farming treats can take some time

[barren badger]

Its just a the fallacy that my brain tries to corner itself into. Only using things once you fully upgrading it for max/min optmization

when in reality it doesn't matter

[spiral wadi]

||there's no way zag's fight is just some gemstones right||

||o sick||

[stuck comet]

So with the cards (The night, Lovers, and Excellence) and crystal figurine you should end up with every card active but 1 unless there is some restriction I don't know about.

[wide glen]

Who's boons are good for the skull? I feel like I understand all the other weapons but I'm not sure what to do with that thing

[shadow marsh]

He can also get one-shot by zeus legendary

[spiral wadi]

man i wish ||if you sacrificed a boon reward for gold, the other god would just let u skip the trial god encounter||

[keen scaffold]

If HeatRush reduces burn damage down to 1 and TouchGain reduces damage per hit byt -1, does that make me invincible against burns?

[elfin forge]

no I think min damage is 1

no 0 damage allowed, sorry

[keen scaffold]

damn

ty

[civic ocean]

persephone is pretty different from hel tbh

[dusk zealot]

@civic ocean I meant aspect of melinoe

[fading dew]

Uhh, what boons is good to go after? Kinda seems to me I mostly get bad ones

[dusk zealot]

@fading dew depends on the weapon you're using.

[civic ocean]

All four skulls play very differently

[civic ocean]

samurai never blames the sword

[fading dew]

Well, I just unlocked the skull one, might try that next run

I'm not a samurai

[civic ocean]

too bad

[elfin forge]

(yet)

[fading dew]

And I'm blaming the boons, not the weapons

[dusk zealot]

For perspephone, do you focus on using special more?

[elfin forge]

samurai never blames the gods probably

[fading dew]

... Dude, boons

[civic ocean]

Sister never blames the Silver

[civic ocean]

for persephone you must first secure enough olympian damage to quickly max out Sprouted, and enough mana gain to sustain using it a lot, and then find a strong boon for the special itself. Then you're pretty favoured to win the run

[fading dew]

So, no boons? That's the goal?

[dusk zealot]

@civic ocean How exactly does sprouted work? Damaging effects from olympians make it last 2 seconds, not sure how to interpret that

[civic ocean]

Sprouted extend the duration of your omega special, during which you are invlunberable and give off off waves of energy. With Persephone, you can drive the Omega Special during those two seconds, which lets you focus down targets.

The important thing to understand is that you are invulnerable for two seconds every time you use it

[modern falcon]

Question, I haven't used the white antler much, after switching it would I gain all the bonus health I accumulate while holding it?

[spiral wadi]

yea after u beat the guardian in the region it'll instantly deactivate and u get ur max hp back

[modern falcon]

Ooo

[spiral wadi]

as well as any max hp u collected during the region

[modern falcon]

Thank you!

[ember lily]

Just got crimson dress stacked up to 66% and i gotta say its awesome

[spiral wadi]

damn wounds still has different behavior in erebus and the remaining regions with wards

[spiral wadi]

big value

[ember lily]

14 minutes new pb with that, also with unseen ire i got like a third of chronos health in a second

[tardy fossil]

So am I insane or is Anubis just like ass with anything except Hestia or Posideon attack, and then busted with those two?

[spiral wadi]

i think anubis has a few more synergies but those are the most prominent yea

[tardy fossil]

Also, random thought, is it possible to get Anubis before casting the spell that lets you sprint into shades?

[spiral wadi]

good question, i think probably yea since circe is also locked behind having at least one familiar

[uneven palm]

Attack trees to kill witches

[uneven palm]

It’s good with Poseidon, Hestia, Hera, Zeus. If you’re doing more O attacks, Apollo and Aphro aren’t bad either.

[bronze flax]

I am having so much fun with Aspect of Momus now that I noticed that Omega Cast also works with it

Lucid Gain recovers Magick per Momus Omega Cast, wow

[pastel canopy]

does chaos' chasm (cast damage +%) boost sword ring, apollo cast etc.? apparently it's bugged, has that been fixed?

[civic ocean]

it should, yes

[pastel canopy]

hades wiki says it's 'currently bugged' but i've gone through all the patch notes and its not been listed ever

oh its the fandom wiki which is controversial

[civic ocean]

I usually just make a note to look at these things when they happen next

[junior trail]

The H2 bug list hasn’t been touched since the Unseen update.

How do I know? Because I wrote most of it. Was planning to update it all in one go for 1.0, but I’ve been way too sick lately

[spiral wadi]

o i didn't consider that as a use case but that's tru actually

does anyone here use blade rift btw i feel like i've seen zero gameplay of it ever

[civic ocean]

Like Meat Grinder?

[spiral wadi]

ye

[civic ocean]

I would take it on Momus with WC or Charon

[spiral wadi]

makes sense

[civic ocean]

It used to have a really funny interaction with charon and the dem-ares duo where every time i blew up the cast the blade would start around mel

[spiral wadi]

hm does the blade rift not follow mel anymore

[civic ocean]

It only did with Hostile Environment

[spiral wadi]

shouldn't it still do that

[civic ocean]

No it stays in the circle

[spiral wadi]

isn't the cast still following u

[civic ocean]

Only if you take Hostile Environment

That only makes the cast follow you if you start channeling it

[paper pine]

Who do i prioritize giving nectars to?

[spiral wadi]

whoever u feel like

[alpine sandal]

Very very early? One for Skelly one for Charon, then whomever. One of each for everyone you meet first, just to get the keepsakes

[spiral wadi]

ah tru skelly has a nice keepsake

[civic ocean]

Otherwise I prioritize giving nectar to Hypnos

[paper pine]

okay thank you

[spiral wadi]

did hypnos have a keepsake

||i woke him up and he mentioned the nectar but i didn't get anything from it yet||

[civic ocean]

Idk did u gift him yet

[spiral wadi]

he hasn't shown up for about 5 runs now

[civic ocean]

Good luck

[spiral wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-say-bleh-gif-26378492

[civic ocean]

Me on that last 62 chronos fight

[spiral wadi]

i'm still going insane cuz my 62f mel axe run if i had one gain boon i would have won

[bold pollen]

what boons do u guys use for skull build? I'm about to try persophone

[civic ocean]

Do what you think the aspect is telling you to do

[junior trail]

zeus special is nice

[bold pollen]

Blitz?

[spiral wadi]

isn't zeus spec only for medea

ig perseph works

[junior trail]

i mean you gotta gather shell with special anyway

[bold pollen]

I think imma go with hera

[shadow plinth]

can red citrine divination from circe mess up your arcana layout?

[elfin forge]

not between runs

but it can activate death if you have strength

or judgment and give you 25 card run lol

[shadow plinth]

so can i have both or it gets negated?

[elfin forge]

you could get both, if you want

in that case, strength gets disabled until you lose all your death defiances

[spiral wadi]

strength + dd might actually be meta in high fear now that ||jeweled pom|| is a thing

[pastel canopy]

so if none of the patch notes have mentioned chasm it’s still bugged? what if the phrasing refers to the cast itself and not the olympian damage eg the swords in sword ring? and hence it’s not a bug and is in fact intended which is why it hasn’t been touched this whole time?

[elfin forge]

ik the wiki still says that plentiful forage works with scars on even though it hasn't since Unseen

[spiral wadi]

wiki's been mega outdated

it doesn't help that editing tables is a goddamn nightmare on that wiki idk how ppl do it

which is why i haven't tried doing it

[elfin forge]

I think I did a lot of editing for Hestia and Poseidon

back when Unseen dropped

[spiral wadi]

ye they had some crazy changes

as much as i like froth conceptually it's hilarious how u have slippery slope add froth and give froth dmg%, only to have steam duo just destroy froth anyway

like ur going to have a multi hit build with froth anyway and froth literally has an icd, steam's not going to make that any crazier

[elfin forge]

I still can't tell if froth is good

[spiral wadi]

nah i just use it for duo fodder

[elfin forge]

I've taken it on a few runs and it still never ever pops up in top 5 damage

[opal crane]

whats a good weapon aspect to play around with hestia and/or heph? i go for the other gods way more often

[elfin forge]

maybe persephone for Heph, but Hestia is everywhere

Anything that hits fast likes Hestia

[spiral wadi]

i think it'd be fun if slippery slope was either juiced up so atk/spec froth is worth it while cast isn't super crazy, or they increase base froth to like 75

[elfin forge]

Supay Special, Circe Cast, Anubis Attack, Nyx special, uh

[opal crane]

ty

[spiral wadi]

like splashes r really fun to play with but it'd be cool if some of the dps was shifted towards froth too

[elfin forge]

is hel attack better with hestia or pos

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1420924720525611099/246A5855368AC82C4B62BB874375399EF8610C84.png happened to get froth on the leaderboard in this build

[elfin forge]

just because it was diluted so much, funny

[spiral wadi]

epic lv 2 slippery slope still can't beat common blitz

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-follow-me-gif-4273618567139914195

[elfin forge]

almost all of my runs have something crack 6 digits

[spiral wadi]

i think ||jeweled pom|| would be really fun if u happen to land on sidon

instant lv 4 splashes and maybe slippery slope

if u switch off of ||jeweled pom|| and get cherished heirloom later, does it also get upgraded for the run or nah

[shadow plinth]

does it matter if i equip gorgon amulet before entering mount olympus?

[spiral wadi]

since the effect remains for the rest of the run

[elfin forge]

nope, you can equip it anywhere(even underworld)

one of the reasons I prefer strength

[spiral wadi]

gorgon amulet can proc in any region, long as u have 0 dds

it seems like specific story events like ||the death to chronos run|| will just gut gorgon from being usable for that run

[shadow plinth]

it says on wiki that it's ineffective in mount olympus

[elfin forge]

old bug

[spiral wadi]

wiki's outdated and dumb

we should do a miraheze wiki project

[shadow plinth]

ok so what's the rate of appearance without the keepsake and with it?

[elfin forge]

the moro's pin and strength bug got fixed right

[spiral wadi]

yea pin guts strength now

since unseen

[elfin forge]

the bug says that the damage boost stayed

[spiral wadi]

that was warsong

unseen fixed the dmg boost

[elfin forge]

ok cool I removed those two outdated bugs from the wiki

[spiral wadi]

basically 100%, just enter a room with 0 dds and athena should spawn

[paper pine]

who's keepsake should i rush for early?

[stiff cove]

Does priming activate the hunt card with less than 100% mana?

[shadow plinth]

but without the keepsake? in mount olympus

[elfin forge]

nope

[spiral wadi]

if u don't have the keepsake then idk the specific rolls, but natural athena i'd say shows up in like uhh 50% of runs

maybe 60%

keepsake also guarantees epic rarity athena boons at lv3

[elfin forge]

god keepsakes are good, especially Zeus, Hestia, and Apollo/Aphro
Knucklebones are good
Aromatic Phial is so clutch
Lion's fang is decent

[spiral wadi]

o yea i discovered tart had a fountain room in 1.0, ik it existed before but i forgot it was a thing

[shadow plinth]

i wanna be greedy and see if i can just spawn athena without the keepsake

[elfin forge]

I know right?

[spiral wadi]

yea tbh i just find myself not really playing for guaranteed athena unless i really need it

[elfin forge]

I take athena a lot in Fields or thessaly lol

but yeah you can get by without it in surface especially

[spiral wadi]

ye pretty good options

i'm still thinking about how i just took pin from thessaly to summit during my 62f mel flame surface run

and it just worked like i didn't lose any dds following

[elfin forge]

lol

[spiral wadi]

and when i wanted prom to proc pin for me, dodge proc

[elfin forge]

take the stuff that makes you tankier
makes you lock in and dodge everything you normally get hit by

no swearing, dyno is watching

[spiral wadi]

fr

no swearing in the house of supergiant

[elfin forge]

greg is watching

[outer ginkgo]

any good ares builds i could try

[elfin forge]

hm none really come to mind, though you could do like, ares atk zeus spec on medea

[outer ginkgo]

alright

any good builds for the torches

[elfin forge]

depends on the aspect

for mel I think it's like, apollo attack, zeus/hestia spec

same for moros now that I thinka bout it

[outer ginkgo]

was thinking moros

[elfin forge]

yeah I think zeus spec apollo attack should be good

zeus keepsake start

[deep fog]

I think they checked out after the aspect patch lol. Should probably start updating soon

[spiral wadi]

possibly

[outer ginkgo]

im on a charon run right now

what do i take? tropical cyclone, or demeter's cast?

[elfin forge]

you want a stronger cast than demeter

[idle pebble]

uh question is eris keepsake bugged? i equiped it early on and then when i went to switch it out i was getting both the efffect of her and skelly's keepsake. is this a feature? u cant really remove it cuz its eris?

[spiral wadi]

yea eris keepsake is permanent for the rest of the run

[elfin forge]

it doesn't go away, yeah

[spiral wadi]

it won't build up when u switch off

[shy stratus]

Just did my first ever zero grasp run. That was... uh, interesting. Anyone who does max fear has my full respect and that will never change

[outer ginkgo]

i already have apollo's spec

[spiral wadi]

yea it's why high fear runs don't do void

the only max fear clear in unseen was by foolish

[shy stratus]

Can't help but wonder if the new keepsakes might make some change/progress in that

[spiral wadi]

i think so ye

[clever gull]

is jeweled pom good?

[spiral wadi]

weirdly yea

jeweled pom lasts for the rest of the run when u put it on it's very cool

it does require a decent handle on knowing what boons are good and bad but honestly the +3 at rank 3 is really good at compensating

[cursive raft]

Does Heph count as a true damage equivalent?

Cuz his damage is fixed

[spiral wadi]

kinda? heph's damage on boon is fixed but it still scales from any dmg modifiers

[unreal shore]

hi, can anyone recommend some early game builds or any duo boons i should look out for

[minor pecan]

does Nimble limbs affect attack rate or just how quickly the sword / bullet moves?

[viral thorn]

Any tips for weapons/boons to bring to Surface? Been struggling a lot in the Mount Olympus and the zone after that

[dreamy inlet]

what goes best for coat?

tried zeus+possidon it didnt feel as good as with sister blades

so i started spamming dash attack for the tripple

any partular setup i should try?

[wise swallow]

I am pleased to know I can still make wacky OP cast builds in the full release

[split igloo]

had a maxed out summon dead enemy hex against the final boss of the surface, he literally solo'd him i was just watching

[minor pecan]

what's the deal with the ||999 damage unblockable attack at the beginning of Cronos phase 2, are you just supposed to eat it and use a revive?||

[last cape]

No, the damage effect centers at one of the clock faces in the arena, stand on it and you don't take any damage

I think you can also still dash through it if you get the timing just right lol, and other, longer sources of i frames like wolf howl work better, if you want to turn it into a damage opportunity

[minor pecan]

stand in the centre of the damage source?

[wise swallow]

||isnt upgrading the aspect of Circe uselesss if you happen to have air quality?||

[minor pecan]

does Nimble limbs affect attack rate or just how quickly the sword / bullet moves? Same thing with racing thoughts...does it just speed up the animation but not the cooldown or does it actually improve dps? Thanks

[last cape]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1266472665695260675/1421433996310614017/image.png?ex=68d90511&is=68d7b391&hm=5ccc86ccd0b75d6426ac81fc4129e88000c1d4d11f01132e2d1b4c11685c5804&

[wise swallow]

Speeds up the animation. Plain attack rate boost

/ reduces the recovery animation of the cast

So if you wanna go fast

[minor pecan]

thanks. so if I'm just doing an attack build (not casting just attack) I will be doing 10% more dps?

[wise swallow]

Yup

Its good either way, melee or cast build

[minor pecan]

thanks. the text "strike speed +10%" makes it seem like you're punching faster but not more often...was confusing

[wise swallow]

yeah it works the same way in Hades 1

[fading dew]

Is there a weapon that's easier to reach the final boss with? And what boon is good to use?

[wise swallow]

Cronos? Me personally I abuse Zeus's cast with the Aspect of Circe, and use air quality to boost the damage of the leash + boost he damage of weak DPS Demeter cast effects

basically melts most things

[echo briar]

So how can I make the aspect of morrigan as busted as people talk about it being? I’ve gotten the combo of it down but it still feels slower than Pan for me and way slower than some of the other arms so I feel like I haven’t stumbled into the right boon build yet

[sly seal]

im using the aspect of EOS is the Ω attack automatic after a couple of attacks?

the daybreaker

[echo briar]

Only if you hold down the attack button, same with all torches

[dusty hill]

hello, could somebody give me a quick idea for a fun build with the umbral flames?, melinoe aspect

im currently doing random runs to get the ending, since my key items were deleted and need to get them again and all that

[echo briar]

Also if there is a daybreaker already out it won’t trigger it again until the daybreaker disappears I believe

So if you wanna spam the attacks without triggering the omega your options are: continuously tap the attack button. Hold the attack button but let go before the omega finishes “casting”. Or just hold down the attack button when you already have a daybreaker spinning around

[sly seal]

i might be pressing too hard and holding it a bit

[unreal shore]

what's the best build for torch

[echo briar]

Yeah try out the tempo in the practice room

[hearty pewter]

anyone know if smolder ring still keeps its duration with winner's circle
it looks like it still does cuz the effect is still visible but i'm not sure if it's actually still lasting as long or not

[sly seal]

i like trying aspect straight into a run first so thats whats happening to me right now

can i say how much i hate that pfp

it gives me nightmares

[echo briar]

I love doing aspect of moros with ares/hera on attack and zeus/poseidon/hestia on special

[echo briar]

Thank you 🥰

[unreal shore]

i shouldve specified, the base aspect

[echo briar]

Ah lmao sorry

[unreal shore]

no my bad

[echo briar]

I’ve only really used moros and supay extensively I have only one clear with the base aspect from god knows how long ago lol it’s probably one of my least favorites to use

[unreal shore]

yeahhh i havent unlocked any aspects yet, but ppl say torch has best dmg output

but the base one feels so bad

[prisma mural]

does Eris keepsake + Scorch work?

[echo briar]

Yeah it was the last one I ever invested in cuz I thought they were horribly clanky based on the base form. But two of the later aspects are great meatgrinders

[dusty hill]

ill try that one out

any other boons to look for?

[dreamy inlet]

if im going for axe attack build, any particular things that go well with that?

[echo briar]

I don’t know any good builds for the base form unfortunately but a good rule of thumb is you can search this channel for the words and see older posts about the builds related to your aspect (altho it is usually harder to find base aspect builds since they all share a damn name lmao)

[dusty hill]

and whats like the suggested attack pattern if you dont mind me asking

[echo briar]

Fine line and Born gain from Hera make it devastating too. My best run I had ares on attack zeus special and both those boons from hera

[unreal shore]

lol thanks

[dusty hill]

don't really know what those do by name, but ill be looking for them

[unreal shore]

this game has been out in early access for so long everyone seems to already know what to do

[echo briar]

You activate omega special and then just spam your attack into it (press and hold) everytime your bubbles hit eachother they explode (you can also run into bubbles that your omega special missed) it takes a lot of mp which is why you will need a “gain” boon and I suggest Hera’s cuz hers just needs you to stand in place for a second which you will be doing much of anyways. The best thing to get for it is the hammer upgrade that adds another ball to your omega special, or the hammer that makes your omega special spin faster, those will make it guaranteed that almost all your bubbles will hit your special and go boom

[echo briar]

Hera’s born gain rapidly restores mp if you stay still for half a second or longer, since you might not get this very quickly I suggest activating the arcana that gives you mana regen to tide you over a bit until then. Hera’s fine line creates a streak of damage straight in front and behind you everytime you use an omega move but at extra mp cost (you will be spamming omega attack anyway so this is good)

[frank turtle]

so i noticed u can dash attack to get a beter first hit off the chain

[echo briar]

It felt like that even when early access first came out lmao I was in this discord getting crazy builds from people on the second week

[frank turtle]

then animation cancel the end of the chian to special faster

[dusty hill]

thanks a lot man, i will definitely have a blast trying that out

[frank turtle]

when do u weeve in cast

[dusty hill]

i already beat all of vow of rivals before with some really standard builds, but i havent touched the game in a bit and need to get my sense back

rn i just wanna breeze through runs so i can see the ending

[bold pollen]

Wow... my current build has some CRAZY modifiers

[sly seal]

omg poseidon sea star works on the path of stars

[echo briar]

I feel you man I’m doing the same to get back all the sand we lost lol I’m getting tired of killing chronos

[bold pollen]

Tall order (25%)
Uncommon grace (25%)
Sweet surrender (20%)
Evil eye (30%)
Martial art (35%)
and other goodies... everything melts!

[sly seal]

i just finished the whole path of stars from finding one and poseidon copied it

[echo briar]

Doesn’t evil eye only work on one kind of enemy or did they change it?

[dusty hill]

ong i just turned all of the oath to 0 so i can just sit back and not worry

[echo briar]

SAME

[bold pollen]

yea, I'm entering Typhon room right now

[dusty hill]

evil eye works against the enemy that killed you last run

for me is chronos and since i havent died in 10+ runs its gonna stay that way

[echo briar]

Sick. Let us know how fast you shred him

Lol see I never use it cuz I sometimes let early mobs kill me if Im going for a specific build and don’t get the early boons I want

[bold pollen]

lol typhon melted

[echo briar]

Lmao awesome

[last plover]

what's the best god for aspect of nergal?
my instinct tells me apollo

[ebon hill]

What do I need to do to get rivals level 4? Ive been on 3 for a while....and killed typhon and chronos multiple times i feel. I heard after 3 times killing them each rivals 4 should be an option.

[chilly swift]

When you get a Chaos boon that says 'your casts do +32% damage', does that only apply to the omega cast? Or does it also buff any damaging effects that you might add to your casts through boons (like Demeter boons, scorch, etc)?

[bold pollen]

It doesn't apply on scorch. It's considered a curse.

[wet pawn]

But it applies to apolo Cast right?

[chilly swift]

Thanks - do you happen to know if it applies to boons that add flat damage to normal casts? Like for example the Aphrodite boon that causes your casts to do some damage while applying weak and pulling enemies in, or the Demeter one that adds damage and freeze

[idle pebble]

funnily im the opposite. i started a new save so i can get the full story nice and fresh and i have to put so much effort to not kill the bosses, even with poor builds and upgrades lol. purposefully died to chronos, skylla even cereburus so i get them juicy conversations.

[hallow imp]

is this a good arcana loadout? https://i.gyazo.com/2d70862a212a268c7bd277c46f15908b.jpg

[wet pawn]

No

Dont use strength and death at the same time

[torpid meteor]

Hitch with axe is so strong!

[wet pawn]

Get rid of one of them and get the lovers instead for example or the furies

[wet pawn]

https://youtu.be/hPJrcH7tapY?si=05PnkSQrxY3dooxU

Watch this video should help you understand better which cards to use and gives you a good load out at the end. But mostly remove death or strength and use something else, having both is a bad move

[hallow imp]

ah I didnt have strength earlier but saw him use it I added it but I dont wanna sacrifice my DD 😅

Ill take death over it tbh

im not the best at this game yet so need the safety 😅

[wet pawn]

Strength costs 4 so instead of strength you could get the furies and maybe the messenger or something like that but mostly focus on upgrading the cards

[torpid meteor]

I don’t think you can get Judgement from anything that draws arcana cards anymore

[wet pawn]

Specially origination

[hallow imp]

does night work on the axe?

is there a omega combo?

[wet pawn]

Idk if Charon counts as an omega combo but that card is kinda strange tbh

[hallow imp]

cant circe give?

[torpid meteor]

Nope

[hallow imp]

honestly I dont even know what a omega combo is

[wet pawn]

Sad. No all cards load out lol

[chilly swift]

Does anybody know if the Path of Stars upgrades 'Steadfastness' (after using your hex, you take -x% damage this Encounter) stacks if you use the hex multiple times in an Encounter? Searched and saw a few people asking this but never any answers

[wet pawn]

It should be using 2 omegas in a row but o don't think you would do that a lot to be honest

[torpid meteor]

Both circe and her keepsake will not draw judgment ever

[hallow imp]

Ive played 60 hours but Ive pretty much only played umbral flames with mel aspect

so I'm kinda noob

also Ive only beat typhoon 1 time on normal difficulty 😛

[wet pawn]

Well I only beat the surface with 2 aspects so that's already good

[hallow imp]

Ive beat underworld several times

[junior trail]

no

[hallow imp]

what ones?

[wet pawn]

That's already good enough, just get a way to beat the surface consistently. For me it's nergal

[chilly swift]

Thank you!

[wet pawn]

Nergal and morrigan. But like 2 times with morrigan and 8 with nergal

[junior trail]

same thing with purpose, using hex multiple times in the encounter doesnt stack damage increase effect

[hallow imp]

Ive never played with nergal tbh

[wet pawn]

I think it's the easiest aspect in the game

[hallow imp]

@wet pawn wanna share build with nergal?

[wet pawn]

Sure

My build is very simple

[inland pumice]

I did not realize Winter Harvest worked on guardians. Imagine my surprise when Typhon died early when I froze him lol

[last cape]

Is there any interaction between cast damage and smolder ring?

[wet pawn]

Apollo attack, hestia cast, Aphrodite's mana regen for origination, get heph too for extra bulk, if you're lucky get the Aphrodite hestia duo and literally just spam attack. Also get the hammer that makes you heal more of you see it it's the easiest way to beat the game in my opinion. Just big bong no omegas

It's basically a walking tank build

Hit strong and heal strong

[hallow imp]

ok I changed around abit https://i.gyazo.com/14de474e8cda705dba3c4d202f8e803e.jpg

[wet pawn]

Looks good

[hallow imp]

@wet pawn ive only got nergal at rank 2 think it matters too much?

[wet pawn]

Kinda yeah

The higher level the less hits to get the heal going

So the more levels the better to ensure maximum survivability

But you can start using it already and keep upgrading it

[hallow imp]

well I dont have any nightmares atm so gonna haveto just try it out and get a feel

@wet pawn apollo keepsake to start off?

[wet pawn]

Yeah that's what I usually go with

[last cape]

yeah some builds can get into berserk really fast, but that's predicated on having the aspect maxed out. Apollo is probably your best god for the weapon, and my only note on the arcana is I think strength is preferred with nergal

[wet pawn]

Yeah but if you're not comfortable with it yet death is also good

[last cape]

No easier way to get comfortable with it than use it on nergal

[hallow imp]

I kinda suck so why I pick death is to have abit of safety

[worldly vector]

Hey, I'm a new player, have played Hades 1 before, im 10 runs In and have reached temple of hades twice but died both times to the coin bag miniboss, any builds y'all have that that will help me get the first clear

[wet pawn]

I can do a nergal run without needing death defiances but for the first runs to get used to nergal maybe use death

And then switch

[hallow imp]

I think the easiest as beginner in underworld is umbral

[worldly vector]

I really dislike the torches, i didn't even get past hecate using the torches

[last cape]

The reason I recommend strength here is it makes healing more effective. You can't heal yourself to full death defiances, but you can heal to full HP, and the damage resistance makes each individual health point matter more, if that makes sense. If you're worried about it, gods that have survivability built in like apollo, aphro or heph help a lot with getting used to it, and the damage from strength helps a lot more than you would expect

[hallow imp]

with zeus attack and some hera

[worldly vector]

Haven't met hera yet, really early in

[hallow imp]

oh

zeus boons are great with umbral

[wet pawn]

Wtf do you mean you can't. I finish all my death defiance nergal runs at full hp full death defiances lol

[worldly vector]

Any beginner friendly axe builds?

[visual flume]

may be worth just skipping the tartarus miniboss fights as they're all 100% optional

then again if you die to the bag probably the build needs a bit more help for chronos so idk

[wet pawn]

Do you have aspects?

[worldly vector]

Really enjoying the axe rn

[last cape]

I mean, you can pick up death defiance restores but other than that I mean nergal can't restore them

[visual flume]

charon

[hallow imp]

the bag is just a punching bag after you kill all the lazers

[worldly vector]

Nope, just 10 runs in

[wet pawn]

Hmmm base axe just go with Apollo attack

[worldly vector]

What about the staff?

[last cape]

Most beginner friendly aspect is probably thanatos, it doesn't seem like it would be due to the way mortality works, but that attack speed bonus is huge and makes the weapon feel a lot more nimble

[worldly vector]

Also which keepsake should I have on

[wet pawn]

Ye Thanatos is a beast now

[visual flume]

which ones do you have

[hallow imp]

can I see the "all boon" page without being in the screen of picking boons?

[worldly vector]

Most? I think

I've made sure to give nectar to everyone I met yet

[last cape]

I don't remember if you can switch keepsakes at the start of the game but you eventually can. Hmm if you're unable to switch keepsakes and just want to get as deep into your early runs as possible, probably run engraved pin or lucky tooth

[worldly vector]

I just unlocked the switches

[visual flume]

then you should be switching to take advantage

[last cape]

In that case then you probably want to start with a god keepsake and then change things up almost every region

[wet pawn]

Go with axe, Apollo attack get something on your cast and dash for origination and have fun basically

[worldly vector]

So apollo keepsake at start?

[wet pawn]

For the axe yeah

[worldly vector]

And then what to switch to

[last cape]

Yeah, guaranteeing a god is really powerful and the rarity upgrade is a nice bonus

[worldly vector]

Also hammers are so inconsistent in this game, last run I reached tartarus with no hammers

[hallow imp]

https://i.gyazo.com/e454edf43252e0bd8ca85c0df222f61b.png
@wet pawn what one?

[visual flume]

if you prioritize hammer rooms when you see them you should get 2 usually

[last cape]

That's extremely rare and almost always requires skipping hammers

The game really tries to give you one in region 1/2 and one in region 3

[wet pawn]

I would go hestia cast and Aphrodite mana regen so if you don't get it switch to theirs and maybe add heph to get more survivability

[worldly vector]

Didn't see a single hammer room, the only hammer I saw was in charon shop and I was too broke to buy it

[wet pawn]

For nergal last one

[echo briar]

Gang I need help with two things, first I need a good build for morrigan, it doesn’t seem as powerful as people say it is even though I’ve got the combo down. Secondly I need a good run with Hephaestus I have never relied on him before what are the best weapons/other olympians to have for his boons?

[wet pawn]

My nergal build at least

[hallow imp]

yeah thats fine, if it works for you then I'ma try it, probably works fine

[worldly vector]

Also with the axe, is spinning always better than regular attacking?

[wet pawn]

If you have good mana regen and time to activate it yes

[worldly vector]

It takes long to charge

[wet pawn]

For regular axe and Thanatos

[hallow imp]

you can get a boon to lower the charge time forgot who gives it

[worldly vector]

I am using the sorceress card, is there anything else to help with charge

[wet pawn]

Hermes

There's a Hermes boon that makes omegas charge faster I think

[worldly vector]

Hmm but iirc there is no way to make Hermes spawn

Just have to get lucky

[wet pawn]

Yeah

But you get 2 Hermes boons per run

At least 2

[worldly vector]

Is that guaranteed

[wet pawn]

Yes

[echo briar]

It should be unless you skip his doors

[wet pawn]

They can appear in shops

[gentle spruce]

Any updated weapon aspect tierlist anywhere?

[wet pawn]

Or doors but they always appear

[worldly vector]

I kinda just go for the other boon doors, the Hermes boons look underwhelming

[wet pawn]

Some are really good

[echo briar]

Hermes boons are supplementary and usually make almost all builds a little bit better

[wet pawn]

Yeah you can't build around Hermes

Just use him to buff your build

[bold pollen]

Herme double boon shopping is awesome

[hallow imp]

the snuffed candle boon works on bosses?

more damage to isolated foes

[worldly vector]

Is there a build focusing on regular staff attacks? All I've seen for it is omega spam builds

[echo briar]

Regular staff attacks are kinda underwhelming even with really high damage boosting boons

[worldly vector]

It's the most similar to the spear from hades which was my fav weapon lol

[wet pawn]

Assume so

[hallow imp]

@wet pawn also last question about the weapon, does the stacks on the axe carry over between rooms?

nvm I just answered it myself

[wet pawn]

I don't think so no

[hallow imp]

it doesnt

yeah i really need to lvl it up

[wet pawn]

I usually just start bonking so I don't really notice lol

[hallow imp]

you only use attack or special aswell? and omegas?

[wet pawn]

Yeah it gets way stronger at max rank 9 hits is really good

[wet pawn]

I tend to only use attack and the cast

[chilly swift]

Do you get gold for killing a boss? Trying to make sure I have enough left in my budget just in case a death defiance comes up in the well of charon between regions (also, how about the adds in the boss fight? any gold for those?)

[hallow imp]

I really need to get better at using cast

[wet pawn]

And put something random on the special to fill the slot to get more changes of getting the aphro hestia duo

Oh yeah and get the hestia boon that makes scorch deal damage faster

The attack is still the lost damaging thing in the build but the scorch damage is a nice +

[hallow imp]

prefer that over fry?

[wet pawn]

Fry? Forgot what that is

[hallow imp]

when enemies die they explode

[wet pawn]

But yeah I personally prefer scorch

[wet pawn]

Oh the hestia boon? No no the one that makes scorch deal damage faster is infinity better

[worldly vector]

Is there a god that's just mid and i should avoid?

[visual flume]

no most gods have their uses

[hallow imp]

can I get more than 1 infusion?

[visual flume]

but normally you only get to see 4 from the regular pool so it depends on your build

[wet pawn]

I think so

[hallow imp]

I just got slow cooker https://i.gyazo.com/bbb231c90298d1e8bfef2efa0a6cdad6.png

and not the one you said

[worldly vector]

Which gods should I go for if I'm using the axe, I'm guessing apollo for sure, who else

[wet pawn]

That's a good infusion

Specially for the axe

[hallow imp]

yeah also it doesnt have a minimum

[wet pawn]

But also get the other one when it shows up, literally melts bosses when the % gets high enough

[worldly vector]

So that I'm able to get the 2 curses consistently

[wet pawn]

I go hestia cast and Aphrodite Regen but Hera dash also works good

Can't miss with hestia

[worldly vector]

And any duo boons to look for

[hallow imp]

@wet pawn what do you use mana on with big axe?

the casts?

cause I got the regen but I barely ever get to low mana lol

[worldly vector]

The spin ig

[hallow imp]

oh the omega attack maybe

[worldly vector]

That is the spin i think

[wet pawn]

On nergal I never use mana lol

[hallow imp]

ahh

[wet pawn]

But on other aspects depends

[hallow imp]

nah I'm learning nergal atm 😛

[wet pawn]

You could use the omega attack but Im not sure if the omega attack heals while you're on the berserk state

[worldly vector]

When do I unlock aspects

[wet pawn]

When you get all 6 weapons

[worldly vector]

Oh rip

That's gonna be a while

[wet pawn]

Speedrun getting mats

[hallow imp]

its by design though so you learn

[worldly vector]

I keep missing the resources 😭

My ahh is blind

[wet pawn]

Git good

[hallow imp]

you found any pet yet?

[worldly vector]

Uh...that's a thing?

[visual flume]

yes

[wet pawn]

Ye

[hallow imp]

well yea

[wet pawn]

But you only get it later

[worldly vector]

I'm just 10 or 12 runs in lol

[hallow imp]

i didnt know how far you are

[chilly swift]

If you buy the same buff item twice from a Well of Charon (in this case Python Scales, -10% dmg for 5 encounters) before the original one has expired, does it stack? Or does it refresh the duration? Or add extra encounters to the count? (Edit: If anyone's wondering, I tried it and it looks like it might stack the buffs! Like I now have one -10% dmg lasting for 4 encounters and a second -10% damage lasting for 5 encounters)

[hallow imp]

I can give you a small hint, I missed it myself, keep an eye on a frog

[wet pawn]

Yeah you need a lot more runs lol

[worldly vector]

I might get a clear before I even unlock ta

In assuming u need to get like 10+ clears to get the real ending just like in hades

[wet pawn]

No it's different

I haven't finished yet

[worldly vector]

Oh

[wet pawn]

But from what I've played so far it's not simply get X finishes

[hallow imp]

its not based on clears

[worldly vector]

Uhhh then what am I even working towards

[hallow imp]

it based on completions of objectives

[wet pawn]

It's based on items you get from killing the bosses yes but it's not just that

[left echo]

Looking to start getting good with the coats and daggers. Anyone got a reco for which aspect to use?

[wet pawn]

But I haven't reached the ending yet so idk exactly how it works

[worldly vector]

Oh, like the prophecies?

[wet pawn]

Not exactly

More like incantations

[hallow imp]

somethings unlock from gifting, something unlock from getting farther in the run

[wet pawn]

Daggers use morrigan if you already have it it's a blast

[hallow imp]

always use your gift

[worldly vector]

Damn i thought I'd just get 10 quick clears finish the story and be done with the game

Welp....

[wet pawn]

Nope this is more complex than hades 1

[hallow imp]

well that wouldnt make it a game of the year contender

[worldly vector]

Is it?

[hallow imp]

with like few hour of content

[wet pawn]

I don't think it's a contender lol

[hallow imp]

[wet pawn]

Hades 2 is great but I don't think it's winning game of the year or indie game of the year since most contenders are indie games

[hallow imp]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2025/09/25/hades-2s-metacritic-score-dethrones-1-clair-obscur-expedition-33/

idk 🤷‍♂️

[wet pawn]

That's cap expedition deserves it than any other game in this century

[pine spade]

regarding unlocking the ||hidden|| weapon aspects, ||can the rank 5 aspect be mel's for each weapon? or does it have to be a r5 aspect which requires nightmare to upg before the secret phrase becomes accessible||?

[hallow imp]

honestly I havent played it so dunno but I personally really like this game so wouldnt be suprised if its considered

[wet pawn]

Aspec of mell is enough

[wet pawn]

I can't play it because bad PC and no good console but from everything I saw, the videos I saw etc it's the perfect game

[frank turtle]

how do i dodge the hex on first boss

[hallow imp]

you jump through it twice

[frank turtle]

so roll thur

[hallow imp]

but I think its easier to just get hexed on a side of the room

[wet pawn]

You dash back and forth until it disappears

[hallow imp]

very easy to dodge the attacks as a sheep on the side of the room

[visual flume]

also the buffed version where it splits >_>

[hexed iris]

Does an anvil ring centric build exist out there?

[dusty hill]

very fair

[hexed iris]

So weird to me how none of heph’s other boons support it

[hallow imp]

if you have a pet then the pet actually attacks the real one every time 😅

[vital lark]

Hi, what is the best first weapon aspect to unlock?

[dusty hill]

@echo briar still there friend?

[visual flume]

the support for it is winner's circle (hermes)

[hexed iris]

I thought that interaction was patched out

[visual flume]

was it? haven't kept track

[wet pawn]

Depends on your playstyle. There isn't really a best first one

[chilly swift]

When a boon says 'surrounding foe', how close does that enemy need to be?

[dusty hill]

im having an insane early set up for a build with moros aspect

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1025870747366867055/1421482588266299513/image.png?ex=68d93252&is=68d7e0d2&hm=44fac104c7c062e96b870f1e33b1a3d2cac7c38fe6114b491e1fba79dd609d6c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1566&height=881

just need zeus boon on my special and im pretty much golden

[wheat cipher]

Haven't played since the first like month or two of EA. What are recommendations for the arcana cards?

[vital lark]

I've played a lot of hades, and I like the daggers a lot, they remind me of the shield from the first game, I just beat Prometheus in my 15th run

[dusty hill]

i could send you a pic of mine, it consists on 0 death defiance but lots of hp, damage output and incoming damage reduction

as well like 9 rerolls for boons and or room rewards

[visual flume]

usually I do full 1st column, then persistence, origination, huntress, wayward, strength

[wet pawn]

Well, aspect of pan is basically aspect of Chiron fro Hades 2, aspect of Artemis I have no idea what that thing does lol and then there's the amazing hidden aspect you probably don't have yet

[dusty hill]

this one usually is considered the strongest one from what i recall

[wheat cipher]

Ya love to try it. Currently unlocking all cards seeing as I did a fresh save file

[dusty hill]

since it lets you work towards being a tank, rather than having 3 death defiance that an enemy can take away in 2 hits

[wheat cipher]

Can't post a picture but my EA arcana was.
1,2,3
1,2
1,2,3,4
1,2
1,2,4

[dusty hill]

copy link of picture, that's how you post them

[visual flume]

yeah I think that's a fairly standard setup

just whether you run death or strength as usually you don't want both

[wheat cipher]

Steam takes forever for screenshots to load on the app.

[visual flume]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1349278289042346008/1390093577685700658/Screenshot_2025-07-02_at_3.15.27_PM.png?ex=68d90ac7&is=68d7b947&hm=a32bed2b70f0f78b31ca46585cd10c92906dfe4a011b3382fb26167460bde7f3&

[wheat cipher]

Is that the 0 defiance strength build?

[visual flume]

you can just swap strength for death if you want

[wheat cipher]

Gotcha shall try it out. Gotta unlock all the cards first though at get back to 30 grasp

[zinc hill]

hey there quick question does REDACTED have ||more than 1 instakill attack in phase 2?|| i played a bunch in early access and had no issues but last night ||his instakill where you need to go on a number took longer to take affect and there was another attack that i havent seen before||?

[visual flume]

strength is less hp but perma +20% damage and you can refill health easier than dds

and you have to watch out for instakills

[zinc hill]

i sent that message in discusion earlier but was probably not the right one to send that to

[visual flume]

when chronos darkens the entire arena except the middle ring that's also an instakill

and I think the red clock hands but I never tested that one

[zinc hill]

huh thanks

ngl i took such a long break from the unseen update to v1.0 idk what builds to use on the ||hidden aspects for all the other weapons except the twin blades|| aspect of ||morrigan|| carrying me lol

[visual flume]

anubis can use hestia on the attack

and just set everything on fire

[zinc hill]

ooooo sounds fun

[visual flume]

yeah the attack is a wide area damage field which is good for just putting down and then sprinting out while the damage ticks

[zinc hill]

im guessing something like zeus on special right?

gotta proc that origination

[visual flume]

last run I was actually proccing origination with dash/sprint because of how things worked out

[frank turtle]

is reflect on dash a thing ?

[visual flume]

divine dash is still in the game

lot worse though

[hallow imp]

@wet pawn i beat surface with your build, thanks 😄

[steel sequoia]

im stuck basically with hestia left for gifting, is that feature or is it bugged?

[last cape]

The new keepsake from ||hades and persephone|| seems quite bad, it's the first one I'm getting to try so far

I want to like it but I wish the effect stuck when you unequip it

[steel sequoia]

also whats good for shiva?

[wet pawn]

Lol congrats

[hallow imp]

last fight was sooooo much easier with it than with umbral

[primal phoenix]

What are your thoughts about Shiva aspect ?

[clever gull]

best jetpack aspect but jetpack is the worst weapon so its just ok

[echo pulsar]

I kept second guessing ||Prometheus|| attack, especially ||his wave attack and summon fire circle in front of him.||

[viral thorn]

Is there any tips for Typhon? The thing is so tanky. I just barely outlasted him last time with dodge chances kicking in several times

[primal phoenix]

Kinda prefer Nyx's one so far, dunno Shiva feels a lil weird, but then again its my first game with it we don't vibe quite yet

Or have a build that just stomps his health

[clever gull]

i feel like every weapon has a way of being really easily overpowered except the jetpack

[primal phoenix]

Oh. It was because i said sh* hahaha ?

[primal phoenix]

Watchout for its big headd stomp strike and thunder thing, deals aLOT of dmg but easily readable. When he unleashes alot of little thingy just take a few steps back and try to hurt him while dodging, dont panick-dodge or you will be hit a fairly good amount

[viral thorn]

Thanks. I probably need to practise against him more

Still couldn't tell what is going on

[primal phoenix]

Yeah the first few times are kinda "hellish" eh ?

[dusty hill]

did they get rid of the selene ability that makes you slow down time?, i swear ive played like 10 runs and cant seem to get it

its always the same 3

[primal phoenix]

Nah ive had it like, 3 times today

[dusty hill]

crazy, im just unlucky af then

[primal phoenix]

Waited for the revive one to pop for an achievement to no avail, myself

[dusty hill]

theres a revive one?

[primal phoenix]

Revive a fallen enemy*

[dusty hill]

oh, that one

[primal phoenix]

Yeah, not my fav but the achievement's right there sooo

[torpid meteor]

I’m trying to get 1k hp in a run and so far the best gods I’ve got for it is Aphrodite, Hephaestus and Poseidon and other boons I should try and get to get more hp?

[clever gull]

why is the hermes legendary so agressively bad

[primal phoenix]

Right now no one else comes to mind for hp

[clever gull]

get demeter just for the demeter aphrodite duo boon

[torpid meteor]

Good for damage but sadly not getting hp up

[last cape]

Is ||hades keepsake|| bugged? it doesn't seem to change with rerolling at the altar of night

nvm, I'm just monumentally unlucky LOL

[sly seal]

am i the only one who thinks keepsakes like dora and hermis should be manual activation

or at least needing the minimum healing for dora cause i tried it and spent it on -10 hp while it heals up to 50

[torpid meteor]

Should be accumulative, if 10 hp is missing the 10hp will be healed and 40hp will be left on the onion

[sly seal]

on paper it looks like its useful in between regions ,but i dont think it really is cause there is a high chance to get healing from charon well and there is a fountain too

[regal flicker]

Does fully bonding with someone make their corresponding keepsake stronger ?

[pastel moss]

Unfortunately no

At least not Nem who’s the only I’m fully bonded with atm

[brave dove]

no

[regal flicker]

Okay so bonding someone fully doesn’t have mechanical benefits then I assume

[waxen mortar]

whats the build recommendation for pan i have no creativity and im drawing a blank on this thing

[lapis lantern]

does apollos ur attacks have a chance to hit twice work for omega channels such as the torches omega attack?>

i like hestia attack + demi/zues special - seperate statement frolm my question 😄

[pastel moss]

I don’t think so. Because the game has other features that specify Omega attacks or moves etc

[lapis lantern]

i thouhht that was "strike/attack"

or omega etc as well

[pastel moss]

There’s skills that say “Omega Strikes” vs “Strikes”
That’s what would leave me to believe no

[lapis lantern]

i mean im pretty sure its not hitting twice by looking at it but just thought id ask in case bad rng so ur probly right 🙂

yeah ok 😄

[chilly swift]

If you change away from the Silken Sash keepsake between regions, do you lose the +30 armour it initially granted?

[pastel moss]

No you keep it

[chilly swift]

Thank you!

[wanton leaf]

Hmm, what Melinoe aspect should I upgrade first

[old wigeon]

torches

[wanton leaf]

That's kinda what I was leaning towards, sweet

[primal phoenix]

Did people actually manage to use the Hermes infusion needing 8 of each element to activate ? Seems impossible for me so far

[rain wagon]

It's 8 of any element, not 8 of each.

[wanton leaf]

And when the Melinoe torches say crit on Attacks and Specials, that's not including things like Posideon waves, Heph bursts, chain lightning, correct?

[left sentinel]

Going to try out Medea, havent since its buffs. What boons synergize well with that aspect?

Ares attack I saw recommended a few times, which is a new one for me to go for

[ember frigate]

what boon do you reccomend for ||anubis ||attack and special?

[primal phoenix]

Oooooh well that makes alot more sense, thanks lmao. Never took it because of this misunderstanding

[last cape]

Staff is probably the best mel aspect

They're all pretty solid though

[elfin forge]

zeus special, then a big chunky attack like apollo or aphro

[left sentinel]

ty!

[fluid flare]

uhhh for some reason im able to use the aspect of momus omega even if i have no mana

is it some sort of bug?

nvm i went to another room and its fine now

[fleet bane]

guys i need help. I dont understand how to do the 'Locate the Three Fates' quest

[hallow imp]

||think its the one where you need to have the pin keepsake and die and clear the engage within 10 seconds in oceanus 3 times||

[fleet bane]

||i do it bro. i take keepsake and i will die three times oceanus. but i dont see it three fates||

[civic ocean]

This is actually useful information for new players

STRIKES is actually a different keyword than STRIKE which stands for your attack boon.

STRIKES can mean different things. In the text of Grievous Blow and Mutual Destruction for example STRIKES means any damage source.

[sly seal]

does ||hades ||last gasp (damage per death defiance) works with moros keepsake?

[hallow imp]

||have you died after? ||

[fleet bane]

||yes bro||

[civic ocean]

No but it does with Toula, athena, echo

[sly seal]

so moron isnt exactly used untill you actually die

[civic ocean]

||you have to take engraved pin to oceanus, activate engraved pin in three rooms in a row then die for real in room 4 in a row||

[fleet bane]

||guys i actually do that. but i try one more time. thanks everyone help me.||

[civic ocean]

It’s just not counted as a DD effect for Last Gasp for some reason it counts as one for everything else. Even if you use up the Pin and still lose a DD you will only gain one stack

[visual harbor]

||Activate engraved pin 3 rooms in a row without dying, then go into 4th room and die to the engraved pin time out, that's what worked for me.
I didn't get it when a defiance proc saved me, so I did it again with strength and it worked.||

[sly seal]

so it works and not work at the same time but limited to one stack

[fleet bane]

||thanks brother. thanks other bro's||

[dusty hill]

just had the craziest build yet with moros aspect

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1025870747366867055/1421527844424781904/image.png?ex=68d95c78&is=68d80af8&hm=f9b970f1a080cb1170356d20f858043d1863ac1853ff8abdff1ee0d7ba874fd9&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1566&height=881

i had all that as my main attack + special damage

but then i also managed to build a most insane secondary damage output with zeus lightinings

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1025870747366867055/1421528195995533372/image.png?ex=68d95ccc&is=68d80b4c&hm=554bb1242f89ae1819b1a282aabf5b55b2e96848f4f2d49630467c26fae9fe41&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1566&height=881

[ember portal]

what gods do i focus on for the staff? and the twin blades?

[bold pollen]

I've been playing twin blades for a while. Just fast hack/slash style.

[civic ocean]

Any of them both weapons are pretty agnostic

[primal phoenix]

Aphro is nice with the blade since you're always close to your opponents. You can also pick Hera for a quick clean or Apollo to gain range

[zinc hill]

whats the strongest aspect atm? ik it used to be pan with poseidon

[civic ocean]

Medea and Circe are generally considered the highest end

But the strongest aspect is whatever one you are the most comfy with

[bold pollen]

blades: poseidon/ares/zeus/aphrodite for main attack
and hestia is really good for secondary esp. if you get lucky enough to get slow cooker.

[zinc hill]

been using that on blade's hidden aspect lol

[exotic haven]

I got a crazy Zeus ares thing going on with Medea it was awesome

[primal phoenix]

Finally unlocked supay, going to give it a go. Hope its nice

[bold pollen]

ares/zeus duo is fun (extra fun if u can add apollo with it)

[elfin forge]

try hestia special, and use omega special a lot

[forest oxide]

Say more I’m trying to get good builds running

[civic ocean]

Medea is very good with zeus special

[zinc hill]

anyhting you'd recommend for the rest of the build? havent used supay in a run yet

[exotic haven]

I think it was ares attack, Zeus special and revenge and their duo

[elfin forge]

attack can be zeus or maybe hera or even demeter

[exotic haven]

I almost felt bad shredding the boss like that

[elfin forge]

everything is kind of support, just make sure to pick up pyro technique

[primal phoenix]

I have hestia dash, what about Aphro special ?

[forest oxide]

Thank you let me try that

[civic ocean]

Anything that deals flat damage on hit is good for attack or special, then get a strong rush boon like hera or zeus or demeter and run in circles

[dusty hill]

somebody has an idea for a fun run with the axe?, thanatos aspect is my favorite but truth be told havent really touched the others too much

[elfin forge]

on supay? I'd still try to get hestia special because dash isnt scorch

[exotic haven]

Apollo special with Charon axe is fun

Big booms

[forest oxide]

I love Charon it’s super fun - give it a whirl. Nergal can be fun with Apollo

[dusty hill]

got it, will do

[forest oxide]

What’s ur guys best Hel build

[civic ocean]

Poseidon Ares probably

[elfin forge]

poseidon attack and like, ares or zeus special

hestia attack can be decent as well

[forest oxide]

Are you machine gunning it?

[civic ocean]

Hel hits really fast so poseidon or hestia work best there

[elfin forge]

burst fire on mobs, machine gun mode on bosses and bigboys

omega special does big damage so sometimes it just clears the room

makes me wonder of apollo special might be good, to nuke a room with ospec

[forest oxide]

Much thanks guys - yeah, as much as I want to recreate the hestia rail w it, ospecial just feels more substantial

[zinc hill]

dem has a rush one? unless you meant the gust one

[civic ocean]

Yes its very good on supay

[dusty hill]

3 runs away from the ending and i just got the boon encyclopedia in game

thats funny

[zinc hill]

ah tytyty just got posei on special and dem on rush

[dusty hill]

any more boons to look for with nergal?

[elfin forge]

heph gain

[dusty hill]

heph gain?

[chilly swift]

During the movement of Argent Skull special and/or omega special, are you immune to damage like you are during a dash?

[bold pollen]

I don't think so

[uneven palm]

Omega special yes you’re invulnerable. Regular special no

[wet pawn]

I told ya it was good

[chilly swift]

Great to know, thank you! Was terrified to use the omega special in Thessaly with all the fire and other aoe damage sources there, lol

[uneven palm]

Yeah, you can’t be harmed during it. Good with Persephone where you can make it longer and steer it

[fresh pivot]

Running Circe with Zeus cast, got Poseidon on the pool and got both Wicked and Mirrored Thrasher on a hammer, which one would be better to pick?

Actually I didn't even checky the Ephyra gates to see if I had Hestia or something

[low pond]

has the poseidon cooldown been fixed? is pan usable now? lol

[bronze flax]

Question, Does Success Rate affect Aspect of Persephone chances of getting better boon levels?

[regal flicker]

I have fulfilled all the conditions for the secret aspects of the dagger. But when I talk to ||Artemis she doesn’t unlock it||. Is it based on luck ?

[elfin forge]

yeah hephaestus gain makes you take less damage

Nergal heals you

Ultimate tank

[elfin forge]

you need to see her in a run

[regal flicker]

That’s what happened. Like my last run

She gave me a boon then disappeared as usual

[chilly swift]

Can you have more than one servant fighting for you at a time with Night Bloom?

[elfin forge]

no, dont think so

[elfin forge]

requirements: 1 level 5 daggers aspect. all 3 aspects unlocked. Must not have any other phrases in waiting. Talk to the pool to unlock it once you have phrase

[bronze flax]

No, only one

[chilly swift]

Can you make Charybdis tentacles your servant with Night Bloom? xD

[elfin forge]

no but you can use it on scylla's bandmates

[north wedge]

Hades 2 also have tactics to how connect boons etc like hades1? You know, how create crazy builds etc

[bold pollen]

I miss how crazy builds can be in Hades 1. I haven't played it since H2 EA

[vital yarrow]

is it just me or is Vow of Rivals ||in the underworld with chronos so much harder than olympus? phase 3 gets me every time|| . open to suggestions for a completely busted build. maxxed out black coat stacking zeus, aphro, and hepheastus melts everything on the way there but is maybe not optimal.

[left sentinel]

Hmm couldnt get Aphro attack on my Medea run, but Heph felt good once I pommed it heavily to get CD to 4 seconds.

[tulip pier]

does nimble limbs (attack,special,cast atk speed) work for omega cast speed as well or no

[bronze pine]

I'd say no but I'm not familiar enough with the metascape. There are omega speed for Hermes as well so it wouldn't make sense

[steel sequoia]

how do i play medea? only aspect left for beating chronos for me lmao, i have no clue

[spice warren]

Can someone explain the math behind scorch description. It says 30 damage. Then the tooltip says “applies 100 damage accrued every second”.

What does this mean exactly.

[bold pollen]

100 dps max

[exotic haven]

Does selene not ever show up in tartarus

[bold pollen]

selene can show up under or surface

[exotic haven]

Like in the last area I mean of underground, I equipped her thing and she never showed up

Maybe I got unlucky

[bold pollen]

are you trying to bond with her? I remember doing that

[exotic haven]

It’s for the last god sent thing

I was trying to get haphestus godsent hex but I didn’t get enough upgrades

[bold pollen]

icic

[exotic haven]

I was thinking either I got unlucky or there’s a lore reason (it’s so dark and far away the moonlight doesn’t reach)

Follow up does the Demeter legendary work on Chronos he just died off screen while I was running away

[hasty moth]

Wait the umbral flames are kinda goated?

Wish I would’ve noticed this sooner

[civic ocean]

They all are! 24 bangin aspects

[low pond]

in what order do you kill the ||vor scylla|| enemies? ||guitarist|| first? or the ||tentacles||

[civic ocean]

It really really really really really depends

[hasty moth]

||for me it depends on the featured artist is||

[spiral wadi]

for me i deal with the bottom tentacles out first 4 seconds cuz that allows me to avoid dealing with scylla dash and everything for a very brief moment

then u kinda just rotate and adapt and pray tbh

[civic ocean]

Honestly they sort of dictate who you are fighting

Roxy will eventually force you to come fight her

[hasty moth]

Oh wait you’re not talking about base Scylla fight

[mossy summit]

whats the current build to aim for on mel torches? i see it has crit bonus but i thought its main purpose is to just spam the oattack with like mana burn boons. does it go better with actual dmg boost atk boons then? like hera apollo etc? or better to go blitz stuff

[civic ocean]

% based atk boost

Good gain

[low pond]

for base i just do roxy - jetty - scylla. vor beats my ass tho lol

[hasty moth]

I have no idea then

[civic ocean]

||If you have really good damage you can rush Roxy but otherwise the Red method is pretty good - kill the tentacles either to the left or right of Charibdys immediately, then dodge scylla and jetty and either fight them or rush to Roxy||

[hasty moth]

For the base fight if the guitarist is the featured artist then i just kill her instantly because she’s annoying

[low pond]

my current strategy is burst down all tentacles. which evidently is not very good.

[mossy summit]

alr i'll go for hera then, thankies

she has the nobrain gain and good atk boost

[low pond]

recently did a run with pos atk and hera special. honestly you can’t go wrong with anything, it’s p fun now

i find it almost always needs born gain tho

[civic ocean]

yep Hera Fine Line Born Gain lots of max mana is very strong at all but the highest fear levels

[spiral wadi]

yea, magick hungry is unfortunately stupidly unstable in high fear

[low pond]

do the tentacles have different attacks? or are they all identical?

[mossy summit]

cool cool. i dont plan on going high fear. never even beat the game before so just gonna aim for that first >..<

[civic ocean]

They spin if you are close and shoot spear if you are far away

[spiral wadi]

all identical, they either do spin attack or they shoot a projectile

also i feel like visual clarity didn't get touched on at all so that's fun

[civic ocean]

If you are struggling with that fight I super strongly recommend Demeter's gales and Hermes' Hard Target

makes it much much easier

[mossy summit]

the unseen is not worth running right? the gain boons sohuld be enough

[civic ocean]

SPOILERS SPOILERS ||https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2575178138?filter=highlights&sort=time Here's a really good rivals sirens fight||

[spiral wadi]

yea unseen is a good way to learn how to use Magick but once u learn how to use gains, unseen should be replaced immediately

[civic ocean]

uhh no Unseen is pretty bad. It doesn't regain mana while you are spending mana so unfortuntely it's quite bad

[mossy summit]

ah alrighty

[spiral wadi]

tru!

that's also frenzy 2 right

[civic ocean]

yes

[spiral wadi]

bangin

[low pond]

that roxy aoe + scylla dash at the start gave me a stroke

[civic ocean]

that was EA so theres a little bit of Smolder Ring abuse in there but otherwise its fine

[spiral wadi]

they massacred smolder ring :(

should've shoved burning desire into smolder

[civic ocean]

It still seems kinda good to me?

[spiral wadi]

yea it's decent i still use it for blitz duo fodder

[civic ocean]

but needs like BD PT and some poms on it

[spiral wadi]

so yea same strat but worse at start now

[civic ocean]

one of the cool things about the judgement 62 is I get to like play a bunch of weird stuff

[spiral wadi]

actually ||jeweled pom|| excellence on hestia

lv4 scorch boons with lv4 pyro tech

[civic ocean]

Yeah it can be good

Or just wait on PT until Oceanus and take ||calling card|| and ||rarify it from common to heroic||

[lyric summit]

This might've been answered already but does anyone have a spreadsheet of Enemy HPs? 🤔

[spiral wadi]

i might try some 62 today, i should prob clear up my backlog of assignments tho

[civic ocean]

Try https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ but thats all I can think of.

[spiral wadi]

i do still need to find ||calling card||

[civic ocean]

do you want to know how get

[spiral wadi]

nah

[bold pollen]

I'm running Madea... what's a good magik resource boon?

[civic ocean]

Medea is usually best manaless

[spiral wadi]

u do want a gain for possessed array

[bold pollen]

just no omega?

[civic ocean]

does Medea still have the typo?

[spiral wadi]

but otherwise u just spam atk and special

don't think about using magick

[civic ocean]

I don't think Medea actually buffs the omega special

[spiral wadi]

i think it was plural with spec

but singular with atk

can always test it on skelly

[civic ocean]

Yeah that's a text error @bold pollen iirc medea only buffs regular special not omega special

just tested

[bold pollen]

icic i picked up aprodite attack and zeus special.. trying to decide which keepsake for the next zone.

[spiral wadi]

ah nice

[civic ocean]

that should deal a lot of damage so just focus on defense

[spiral wadi]

but think about going balls deep and becoming a glass cannon

[bold pollen]

I'm just doing 0 fear.

[spiral wadi]

(but yea defense is the better option)

from low to high fear defense is still priority so i get it lol

[bold pollen]

I'm always all about glass cannon lol

[spiral wadi]

lesgo

show em who's boss

[bold pollen]

Just can't decide which keepsake to take

[spiral wadi]

what keepsakes u got

[bold pollen]

just gonna pick up hera then...

currently zeus. I'm early surface right now. killed the one eye guy just now

[spiral wadi]

yea hera cast is funny for room clearing

it also leads into a good aphro duo

[neat isle]

does anyone have any tips for adding more advanced strats to your play; i've been getting by so far on ability and just taking as many boons as possible, i read lee reamsynder's guide but it's a quite a bit of information to try and incorporate all at once

[bold pollen]

I'm just hoping for mass infusion from hera. the most op boon in the game

[civic ocean]

you kind of have to be a little more specific

[spiral wadi]

honestly yea easiest strat is legitimately pick up as many boons and win game

[civic ocean]

That's also late game fwiw

That is the advanced strat lol

[neat isle]

damn i'm a genius

[civic ocean]

whats that meme with the curve

[spiral wadi]

i think as long as u play over and over u'll naturally understand what boons are good and bad

forgetting about how annoying these vows are for high fear, turning on grit is a good way to gauge just how much a boon actually helps in doing damage

[civic ocean]

yeah and its kinda hard for us to like put those hours of knowledge into regular ppl heads

[neat isle]

yeah, i guess the real question was should i just keep going with vibes based or is there some kind of specific builds i really need to jam; some of his stuff also doesn't make sense to me like i get why he likes rerolls (i would prefer just straight buffs and not messing with rng) but why would artificer be bad - that's the possibility of three free boons you weren't going to get before

[civic ocean]

I have a build I gave my friends for like no matter what wep youre playing this is probably winnable

[spiral wadi]

u might also consider uhh running denial, cuz then it requires u to keep track of what boons ur destroying and what boons are left to pick up (which u can check in the book of shadows to see what boons are being locked away for the rest of the run)

so then it becomes a greed check of "oh i only want to see this god 2, 3, or 4 times, otherwise they'll forcibly give me a sacrifice boon and i don't want to see them again so i will not pick them up"

[bold pollen]

lol just picked up aprodite legendary

[neat isle]

yeah i rarely take sacrifice boons unless i got stuck with something i don't like, the consensus seems to be that quality is not that useful except for specific ones

[civic ocean]

Artificer isn't bad necessarily, I can break down his reasoning a bit:

In order to optimize your arcana you want to be activating The Queen and Eternity whenever possible. So that means that you can't have more than two 3-cost cards active.

So Artificer is competing with Enchantress for rerolls and Lovers for bosses, and most runners tend to prefer those two cards.

Some runners opt not to use The Queen and give up one of the two 5-cost cards usually for one of Night/Huntress and Artificer. I do this at 50-62 on Underworld blades runs (or used to, now I only run judgement atm)

[spiral wadi]

i legit think ||jeweled pom|| at high fear will open up artificier and excellence