h2-builds-and-combat

[spiral wadi]

i wonder if they fixed prom flare not being able to poke the balls

[lapis lantern]

im watching one of foolishs vids and i swear he does more dmg with like 1 boon than i do near the end of my run lol

i think it has to be direct dmg to pop them?

[spiral wadi]

yeaa high fear is basically making use of as few boons as possible

direct seems weird lol, gusts also proc them

[lapis lantern]

i love gusts

[spiral wadi]

ig it's like how thunder cast can't hit arachne webs

btw i dislike how arachne webs can't get 1 shot by axe

[lapis lantern]

id like to be able to practise on a boss, having to wait 20 min to get another crack and chronos is ...

[spiral wadi]

makes the weapon unnecessarily slow compared to other weapons

[lapis lantern]

i never realy uise the axe, its annoying to do the dash when ur charging the special

[spiral wadi]

fr

[lapis lantern]

controller problems i guess

[spiral wadi]

if siege shredder was axe basekit all my problems with it would be gone

[spiral wadi]

the dark art of savestating (i only did it for surface bosses)

[lapis lantern]

hmm u just take the save file ?

[spiral wadi]

kinda

idk if i'm allowed to explain it here so i won't

[lapis lantern]

fair

[spiral wadi]

i remember having a crack feedback of letting chaos take us back into a run under the premise of seeing "what could have been"

[lapis lantern]

just tried anubis for the first time, its a bit weird lol

[ionic kelp]

as it should be

[rain marsh]

i LOVE anubis. but it is a bit different than the fast pace-ness of theo therweapons

[lapis lantern]

yeah its very different

[snow breach]

Guys refresh my memory, when are dmg mods multiplicative? I think even stuff like "enemy takes increased damage" is additive right?

[silent crow]

crits are multiplicative

[snow breach]

Sure yea crits aren't really a damage mod

So nothing else then?

Like e.g. in POE usually "Enemy takes 10% increased damage" is multiplicative with your damage mods because outgoing vs. incoming are separate steps

But I think I heard that here, it's additive even then

[silent crow]

im sure theres like some bugged exceptions but idk

[spiral wadi]

iirc the only multiplicative thing should be crits and ares minicrits (200%)

[uneven palm]

All percentage boosts are additive with each other

[keen vapor]

What do people aim for with aspect of thanatos? Hera on attack and then full poms + hammers? Strictly omega attack?

[nocturne monolith]

If I combine giga cleaver for the axe and Apollo's legendary does my omega special fire out 3 times?

[uneven palm]

4 times. At least it did in ea but they tweaked Apollo’s Lego and haven’t tested 1.0

If you’ve got the opportunity in front of you report back for science

[uneven palm]

Big percentage attack, weed killer from Demeter. Best hammers are Psychic Whirlwind and Seething Marauder for huge Omega attacks

[keen vapor]

Got it, I think I'll try all of that with Apollo's attack

[uneven palm]

Apollo’s great yah, and his legendary is disgusting on Thanatos

[keen vapor]

I'm guessing picking Raki makes sense for even more crit

I just gotta figure out a decent arcana deck to go along

[uneven palm]

Raki’s good, or Hecuba for padding on magick or Gale to absorb some hits to preserve Mortality

For arcana rolls and cash corner, left column for divinity, persistence, strength or death, rest is your choice. For Thanatos I like Eternity and Night, alternating o cast and big spins

[keen vapor]

Any duo boons that go crazy with it?

[uneven palm]

Nothing really comes to mind for that kinda build

[keen vapor]

Alright, thank you I'm starting a run rn

[worn bone]

Haven't played after they changed Moros, and it still feels pretty strong

Just not as insane as before

[mint nexus]

Goodness gracious Nergal with 100% speed from plasma is terrifying

[nocturne monolith]

Let's hope i get lucky enough to get the legendary I used the wrong arcana load out and don't have rerolls 😔

I immediately found it the omega attack triggers 4 times

[open vine]

Anyone know if Wolf Howl’s Tremor upgrade plays nicely with Smithy Rush? Especially in conjunction with the Brutality upgrade’s “use again in next three seconds”? Or does Smithy’s cooldown negate how strong that could be?

[uneven palm]

They a cooldown iirc

So you don’t get extra blasts

[civic ocean]

Iirc yes you cannot use a heph boon that is on cooldown with a hex

[nocturne monolith]

The 4 triggers take so long to fully go through i can replace multiple casts since I'm using aspect of Charon

It does so much burst damage Its unbelievable

[fossil matrix]

is there some way to rapidly attack on eos without overwriting my daybreaker?

[open vine]

Mostly was wondering because the wording on Tremor is “the effect (emphasis mine) of your Rush Boon on up to 5 foes.”

Decided to give it a shot since I have Smithy Rush at 5 seconds already. Only two more levels to make a double hex tripping it possible if Tremor doesn’t ignore the cooldown.

(Aspect of Persephone bumped it to lv4 from the start, and it pommed to 5)

[uneven palm]

Nope. O special, tap special, or alternate attack-special while it’s out. Or you can hold attack permanently but then you’re missing most of the fun of Eos

[fossil matrix]

ty, thats a shame

[uneven palm]

Eos is pretty strong with double specials give it a go

[open vine]

And poms (and nectar!) have been kind to me this run and I just got lv7 (rare) Rush, so hello 3 second cooldown!

[fossil matrix]

yeah i've been liking eos, I just took scorch attack and feel disappointed with my choice

[uneven palm]

Ha that’s relatable

[lapis lantern]

launcher frame + shimmering rockets on Nyx is so ridiculous lol

[open vine]

2 second smithy Rush going into route 2 boss 2…

[lapis lantern]

cling clag 😄

[open vine]

I’m wondering what happens if you get it past 1 second… and, if you can

[raven creek]

the lowest you can get it is 2 secs normally, but the heph/poseidon duo cuts it to about 1.4 secs

[open vine]

Good to know

[last steppe]

what's the ideal play pattern for charon's axe? i've been trying it against skelly, and while obviously there's a big difference between that and doing it in a run with boons, right now it just seems so slow

so i'm probably just using it wrong, but idk what the right way is

[olive sphinx]

so is Ares like not worth going for at all anymore? almost all his boons seem so weak 💔

[olive sphinx]

You put down a cast, then you o-special. And just repeat that over and over. Quite shrimple!

[spiral wadi]

i think ares is about the same which means he's still decent at low fear but still suffers from requiring overinvestment in high

[olive sphinx]

yeah that makes sense...

[spiral wadi]

his gain got buffed but i still struggle to see the point when cardio gain exists

i don't mind tho on like low magick intensity builds

[royal skiff]

is there a hera boon that applies hitch on dash attack

[olive sphinx]

the "strike" boon works on attack, o-attack and dash attacks

[naive pecan]

Do the Hephaestus boons have a level cap? They don't show up on poms for me after level 7 or 8, and Echo won't double them even if it's my only boon

[lapis lantern]

hera has a hitch on dash

[royal skiff]

you can put it with Artemis arrow and chain lightening on strike right

trying to remember a build i liked that was like that

[lapis lantern]

itsa just on dash from running arounf enesmies ur dash strick will apply with attack

but u can put chain lighting on any attack

[royal skiff]

i generally prefer chain on strike its a lot more satisfying

[keen vapor]

Decent argent skull aspect of melinoe build? I see an aphrodite build online but idk how good it is

[stoic tinsel]

what's good on anubis? scorch puddles are too slow apparently

[visual flume]

a couple of things help; channel speed boosts and demeter cast (for the lockdown)

also charon just has so much damage output that you can expect most things to die very quickly

and the axe spec has decent range so you can just use the cast for anything that gets close while aiming the spec

[last steppe]

thanks

[open vine]

According to Exe:

the lowest you can get it is 2 secs normally, but the heph/poseidon duo cuts it to about 1.4 secs

[visual flume]

though really you just want to get lucid gain asap because that lets you spam the cast + spec and very little can survive that

anything that tries to get close to you will get caught in the cast explosion and disintegrate

[lapis lantern]

i play zues attack and hera special , u

[keen vapor]

That's an interesting combo

[lapis lantern]

i like it , and then go hestia cast m b

[visual flume]

there's the option where you take glowing coal/lightning lance and play a completely ranged build but I actually like that less nowadays because dropping the cast under your feet is such a good way to keep enemies off your back

[lapis lantern]

I need to learn Morrigan , it seems kinda difficult

[open vine]

This question became relevant to me earlier tonight thanks to a Wolf Howl hex that had 10 upgrade steps for my second Selene boon with Tremor and Brutality… and then became less vital when the last shop before boss 2 had a Pom slice that put Smithy Rush at 2 seconds ^^;;;

(Promptly after the fight I was called away thanks to Adulting Is As Important As It Is Unfun ; ; so Olympus upwards will be… later.)

[harsh blade]

Is playing with frenzy 1 bad for learning max frenzy?

[snow breach]

Both Ice Strike (% attack dmg) and Weed Killer (% omega attack dmg) affect your omega attack right?

[spiral wadi]

it's fine i think, it's what i did and it worked out

[oblique hazel]

they certainly seem to have fixed poseidon with pan because it feels great to use ngl

[spiral wadi]

could be better to just go balls deep n get used to frenzy 2 asap but i think it's not that necessary

yea sidon icd got fixed w most weapons it's cool

still doesn't work with umbral flames normal special hidden helix

not that it'd crit anyway

[civic ocean]

Still quite good under the right circumstances especially as a sidekick for poseidon now that the icd is better

[spiral wadi]

did they fix wounds timestop

[civic ocean]

whats that

[spiral wadi]

in unseen wounds used to stop time for a short moment which was really bad with hordes of enemies

prob worse when wounds had specific behavior with wards in erebus

idk if it still has it i haven't done high fear yet and im scared of discovering that god keepsakes are in fact entirely bricked

[civic ocean]

embrace the casino run

[spiral wadi]

tru

watch me still bring them to prevent selene 1st room

it's crazy cuz that straight up cuts about 1/3rd of the keepsake list

fig leaf start meta

[civic ocean]

what even is good to take for a 62 start now

Lion Fang? We go back to Strength + Divine Dash?

Knuckle Bones for Hec? lmao

[spiral wadi]

knuckle bones not saving u from her midphase moves

[civic ocean]

Toula Antler?

[spiral wadi]

prob gale antler but i mean that'd be 65f i think

or 67f cuz 30hp anyway

[civic ocean]

I think if you're doing judgement run you take one of the new keepsakes tho

[spiral wadi]

idk what the new ones are actually i still need to do the story

no spoileys

[mystic flame]

Is ares still bad? I haven't seen anything related to his boons in patch notes

[spiral wadi]

ares gain got buffed to 15 magick

[civic ocean]

okay I havent been on this server in like two weeks did we talk ourselves into ares being bad somehow

[spiral wadi]

now it's semi usable at base in super light magick builds

idk i like ares

[mystic flame]

and nothing about wounds/ attack speed got changed?

[civic ocean]

same lmao

[mystic flame]

without the triple wounds + legendary it feels like you'd rather use anyone else

ig Poseidon is still questionable on most weapons

[civic ocean]

I will take a Mutual D on like basically everything 32+

Griefing is also crazy good too

And I kind like the blades

[keen vapor]

Okay so my hepheastus attack is maxed out at 2 seconds, is it worth to aim for the 35% cooldown reduction duo on top? Or should I go for the demeter duo that gives 50% more dmg?

[civic ocean]

Do you have hestia and apollo's duos already?

[mystic flame]

I also always play on 34+ fear, but it certainly feels like he doesn't do much (unless if I'm missing out on something)

[deep fog]

Unrivaled Eris is a menace now lol

[keen vapor]

I just started a surface run, about to get demeter's prerequisite

[spiral wadi]

omega blades is good on builds where u have consistent omega coverage like umbral flame ospec

[keen vapor]

Like it's between poseidon and demeter unless I somehow get all 4

[civic ocean]

right up until you're forced to play against hordes and wards I think Ares is maybe the 2nd best or best 4th god to get

[civic ocean]

Oh okay probably Demeter then, the difference between 2 seconds and 1.45 seconds or whatever isnt that big a deal and demeter can give orig for more dmg

[mystic flame]

mind telling me what's a good build to go for? I think I'm playing him incorrectly in this case

[spiral wadi]

ares wounds should insta clear wards like splash,,

[civic ocean]

Don't build him specifically just use him on offhand atk/spe and get grievous, tack on Cut Above to a mana build, or take mutual destruction

[keen vapor]

Alright, I ask because I saw Haelian's video where he had poseidon's and did 357k dmg but he was also wondering

[civic ocean]

As part of a build yeah probably with apollo/hestia

[keen vapor]

Demeter/Apollo/Hestia it is then

[mystic flame]

okay but like...it really doesn't feel like the attack speed buffs exist 😭 it's either I don't see it with my own eyes or the buff isn't big enough

[civic ocean]

Yeah that part isn't great but you can do some cool stuff with it

pretty good on like supay or smth

[spiral wadi]

i think attack speed buff is literally capped or completely useless on some weapons

unless they mechanically changed it in 1.0

o yea the soundtrack is $10 on bandcamp

[mystic flame]

That's what I'm saying

[hidden marlin]

Supergiant is so stingy with attack speed buffs. Wish we had more options other than one Hermes boon and very few hammer upgrades

[steep zealot]

Hey do we know if I get the boon that draws a random arcana will it deactivate judgement? I need it for the fated list it’s the last one

(Not the the Circe boon, judgement I mean)

[civic ocean]

None of the dependent arcana cards retain those dependencies once the run begins

So you can’t turn off Judgement, turn on Divinity/Moon, etc

[inland pumice]

Is it just me or hammers feel less impactful than Hades 1? It’s been a while since I played that game but I felt like I was more excited for hammers there

[civic ocean]

Its the same as hades 1 some hammers are very good some are very contextual and some arent that great

[steep zealot]

Is it the same for the one where you can’t have death defiance?

Honestly I find hammers pretty impactful especially when it’s a weapon I don’t like

[civic ocean]

No, Strength gets turned off as soon as you acquire any death defiance effect including from Gorgon Amulet, Luckier Tooth, or Engraved Pin, as well as Judgement or the piggybank

[steep zealot]

Ah, yea I had a feeling

Anywho thank youss

Idk if those death defiances at shops can appear when you didn’t have any to begin with but I imagine those would get rid of it too

[civic ocean]

Yes also if chaos gives you one etc

[inland pumice]

Anyone have recommendations for 24 fear surface? I’m having a hard time getting past Prometheus at this fear. Should I maybe turn off frenzy level 2? I’m having a hard time reacting and dodging some attacks

[lapis lantern]

yeah frenzy is a real tough one tbh

[bold furnace]

First time I played || Anubis || staff and hooooly mother of jesus. Hestia cast with prominence flare, Poseidon attack with splash to the max and froth and their scalding vapor duo. Things just MELTED

I usually play melee/close-range and this was too fun and easy

[hasty idol]

Does anyone recommend any card combinations for 29 arcana mastery?

[maiden hound]

frenzy is usually the easiest thing to turn off for equal trade, though usually it keeps things exciting when you can catch up

prometheus... try going for a tank or hit-and-run build, so that you have the capacity to watch what exactly prometheus does. a lot of stuff he does can be totally negated by just dashing from in front of him to behind. once you get the hang of it, prometheus becomes a very simple boss fight (at least from my experience for him specifically, trying to avoid the satyrs gets a clean 50 off of me pretty often)

[inland pumice]

thanks for the advice. What would be good for tank build? Hephaestus on the base axe or something?

[maiden hound]

generally stuff that can net a lot of hp and damage reduction... heph is good, but also look at poseidon/aphrodite for water fitness, glamour gain, and island getaway. heph's duo with hera is also good if you can do away with omega moves entirely

generally speaking it's just a matter of buying yourself time to see how exactly prom is attacking. the more you can get into the loop of "outplaying" him, the better you'll get for future runs as well as the present one

I remember watching a link that just didn't attack prom and dodged his attacks (can't remember where it is, it's been a long time). ever since then, prometheus has never killed me

[steep zealot]

I might have been wrong

Checked the record keeper and it’s not saying it there either maybe I’m insane sorry

[lofty lintel]

Yall what's a good build for melinoe sister blades?

[steep zealot]

Idk how to describe builds but personally I really like sharing the damage around with them and Hera and Zeus are perfect for that in my opinion

[lapis lantern]

i quite like hestia and demitar for attack and special

[lofty lintel]

Ty

[lapis lantern]

then go glamour gain - burning deseire

then u can get demis duo to pop high scorches

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ has tons of good builds and videos for them

then at least u can see the playstyles and make urr own builds around that

[lofty lintel]

I've been playing for a while but never use melinoe's aspects usually

[lapis lantern]

i normally use pan tbh, but it works on that as well

[lofty lintel]

Me too but I'm doing this for the prophecy

[lapis lantern]

ya fair, i think anything that works on pan will mostl,y work with mels

it just requires aiming lol

[lofty lintel]

Hmm with pan i usually go for poseidon spesh

[lapis lantern]

im just quite into the demi hestia combo

and cos its not very magick heavy glamour gain is fine for it which gives me burning desire

then u can even go posidon cast for froth duo as well

[lofty lintel]

Hmm alright

[oblique hazel]

its hammer reliant but you can never go wrong with zeus attack and trick knives on any non-morrigan sister blades build

[lapis lantern]

im really into the coat atm

nyx is so good

if u get frame launcher and shimmering hammers its just ridiculous

[lofty lintel]

I love selene's. Haven't figured out a good build for nyx yet

[oblique hazel]

nyx with scorch rockets feels like cheating its so good

[lapis lantern]

yeah i quite like it with zues spesh

i did zues spesh and demi attack ,

[lofty lintel]

The rockets special with poseidon is so good

[lapis lantern]

yeah the spesh is awesome, frame launcher and shimmering just is free win honestly

i nmeed to learn morrigans

[oblique hazel]

morrigan is so much fun once you get used to the gameplay loop

[lofty lintel]

I neeed to learn for all the hidden aspects. Supay has slayed tho

Before it got nerfed 😂

[civic ocean]

I still think supay is insanely good

Its my go to right now for brain off run farming and I think its got a decent shot at a 62 unseeded (well as good of a shot as any run does in the godless slot machine)

[inland pumice]

Okay Aspect of Charon + Lucid Gain is still really good, I haven't played for a few months but it carried me through my first 24 fear surface success!

cast+omega special, repeat lol

[lofty lintel]

Add a lot of omega cast boons and it's a tank build. Especially geyser spout

[echo briar]

So are there any broken new builds out with the full game? I just booted up the full game (have cleared up to fear 25 in early access) and need to do some runs to get my z-sand back and wanna test some new stuff if there is any

[civic ocean]

If you played during the last major update not too much has changed. Lucid Gain is now probably the best gain on a couple more aspects than it was before but other than that not a lot was shaken up

[echo briar]

Oh what did they change about lucid gain? It was already my go to Gain lmao

[civic ocean]

The 62 fear meta is currently completely ruined and has to start from scratch unless something is a bug and not intentional but that’s it there

[civic ocean]

Half the values from before, but you no longer must be standing in the circle

[echo briar]

You don’t have to stand in the circle anymore????? It’s like my chains have been broken 😭

[civic ocean]

You do get less a lot less mana

40/60/80/100

[keen quartz]

Why?

[echo briar]

That’s still manageable on most arms tbh

[civic ocean]

Tldr onion bricks god keepsakes

[keen quartz]

Oh wasnt it like that earlier?

[clever drum]

Oh, that's a bummer. Hope it's a bug.

[civic ocean]

How it used to work is that onion would brick the first boon but the keepsake would still work - if i start zeus, zeus would be on the door. Not so anymore

[amber cliff]

Holy moly Thunder Rush and Flash Fry is so fun together

[keen quartz]

Ah i see

[inland pumice]

What's the best way to take advantage of Hephaestus? As someone who hasn't played in a while and doesn't know what has been changed or balanced about his boons. Any good weapon/duo combos or synergies to be aware of?

[oblique hazel]

heph boons are great defensively in any run but to make the best use of his attack/special, i think generally the best aspects are persephone skull for the extra poms, and the sister blades' hidden aspect for the extra burst damage. main duo you want to go for is chain reaction with hestia which lets you double the blasts, and then the duos with demeter, apollo, and to some extent poseidon are good to go for too. biggest thing to keep in mind is that you want a high rarity and as many poms as possible to drop the cooldown to 2 seconds

[inland pumice]

Got it, thanks for that! I’ll keep it in mind, Hephaestus was the only god I never really picked during early access and I want to try and make it work. The whole play style is so different from other gods

[mystic flame]

Does Apollo's new magick regen ability activate when aspect of charon makes the cast explode?

[inland pumice]

I only ever picked him as a backup for his support boons like armor

[grizzled prism]

Any good builds for staff and sword thingies?

[cursive raft]

anyone got tips for Aspect of Selene?

[cursive raft]

For the staff I really lean to Apollo

Get his legendary and the staff of momus is pretty strong

[grizzled prism]

Alright

I’m in my 15th death, still learning stuff.

[cursive raft]

ah take your time, at some point you'll make your builds on the fly

personally I really like collecting Duos and Legendaries that compliment each other throughout the run

[grizzled prism]

Yes

[visual flume]

moonbeam keepsake on that one can be nice to start, but need to find good ways to help dump and regen mana

but you just want to lean into the hex

[cursive raft]

do I get the godsent hex or nah?

[visual flume]

you get the aspect unique hex which is quite strong, just orbital laser blasts

[cursive raft]

aight

[echo briar]

Supay is the only torch aspect I havent cleared with yet, how do people usually build it?

[uneven palm]

Duos with Hestia, Apollo, Poseidon, Aphro, Demeter probably in that order of goodness

[uneven palm]

Yes

[uneven palm]

Flat damage on attack/special with Origination. so Zeus, Hestia, Poseidon. Get a damaging rush boon too.

[inland pumice]

Has anything changed with Arcana in 1.0? Any significant buffs or nerfs?

[uneven palm]

None

If you played semi recent patches at least. If you played like a year ago, lotta things shuffled around

[inland pumice]

The most recent thing I remember was Strength getting nerfed a little to be closer to Death Defiances

[visual flume]

was it nerfed? didn't check, it's still just kinda busted

outside of instakills and scars 3 your hp bar is just easier to refill than dds

[dreamy inlet]

damn why cant you post pics here? 😐

im torn between picking hell spliters and rapid hack

30% AS is huge but +300 base is absurd as well

literally aphro attack and im one shotting everything

i dont suppose this 300 base goes into omega as well right

[visual flume]

hell splitter can be awkward because it changes your moveset

[brave dove]

It's significantly worse now- Strength gives ~167% ehp while Death gives 220%. Prior to the nerf Strength gave 200%.

[visual flume]

yeah I still like it for the 25% damage though and once you get used to playing without the dd safety net it's nice

[brave dove]

I prefer it still for a lot of reasons but it is just kind of worse for the usual use case of 'getting walled at X boss'

[dreamy inlet]

ok splitter is R O U G HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH to play with

holy

[visual flume]

yeah told you about the animation change, you lose flexibility for big damage

[dreamy inlet]

wait, animation change?

wdym, it just turns it to the last strike, i knew that, does it change it more?

[visual flume]

yeah that's what I mean

[dreamy inlet]

ah thats fine, its just hard

[visual flume]

you lose the faster attacks and it's just the big chop which leaves you a lot more vulnerable

[dreamy inlet]

because its so slow you need to dash strike or Y a lot

yeah but you can still charge it and dash in

then it does the strike

[visual flume]

playstyle preference, I don't like it because it's too slow and you lose the aoe swing

[dreamy inlet]

aynway i have to ask because no matter how many times i try it seems impossible to dodge hec hex bolt? i tried dashing through it consistantly which i do but then it becomes much faster and becomes impossible, i tried running the bolt into a mob but for some reason it doesnt seem to work either

so either im literally missing it by 1 pixel every time, or it doesnt work

[brave dove]

you can dash through it even at max speed

[visual flume]

dash through it, familiar can block it too, or you can get a boon that boosts your sprint

[dreamy inlet]

i am, but it becomes increasingly faster

[brave dove]

It's not easy, but you can dodge even the souped up frenzy 2 rivals one completely with just your basic dash.

[dreamy inlet]

i dont have a farmiliar yet

[visual flume]

I forget if apollo sprint was enough to outrun it

[dreamy inlet]

... like i said, i can and i am dashing through it, but it becomes faster and faster

[brave dove]

it isn't IIRC but funnily enough demeter sprint is

[visual flume]

lmao

[dreamy inlet]

until i get a farmiliar, can it go through mobs? because im either missing every time somehow by a tiny fraction or its not possible

does it infinitely chase or does it have a timer?

[brave dove]

It doesn't hit mobs unless they're ones you've summoned with Night Bloom or Sun Worshipper

[visual flume]

it times out

[dreamy inlet]

okay so im not an idiot, ok

[clever drum]

So it's worse for high heat, but unless going deep in Vow of Scars, it should still outperform DD, right? Haven't really played since the nerf

[dreamy inlet]

i was so confused as to how im missing

[brave dove]

I mean, it really depends on your use-case but for most people no, because most people get walled in progression by a boss they can't beat with full resources and Strength gives you substantially less max effective health.

[dreamy inlet]

also im reading axe daedalus stuff, collosus slash sounds very weak

[visual flume]

unless you're like me and terrible at preserving full resources into boss fight so being able to refill resources easier helps, but ofc DD gives you a good layer of safety and protects you from getting owned by instakills when you still don't know the pattern

[dreamy inlet]

+10 flat?.. is that even anything

it sounds pathetic

no shot 10 flat outweighs 30% attack speed

[brave dove]

well given that when you refill with a maxed athena keepsake you go up to 280% max ehp the refills are not so painful :p

[uneven palm]

Not thinking about DDs is nice sometimes tho. Health is cheap and plentiful

[grave parcel]

Is Aspect of Moros still good with no upgrades? I tried it for the first time and wasn't doing much damage to Chronos in phase 2

[brave dove]

yeah, I can agree with preferring the feel of strength I raced to get strength instead of death on this fresh file

[grave parcel]

But I'm still learning that part of the fight and haven't beat him after 28 nights

[brave dove]

but 'is strength stronger' the answer is generally no — if you died to chronos with full DDs you'll probably die faster with strength

[visual flume]

like first time I faced chronos I think I just kept losing dds to the instakill

because I didn't realise

at least they made it clearer

[grave parcel]

It's so unintuitive at first

[brave dove]

your build matters a lot more than your weapon

while yeah moros does like those levels if you're doing no damage to chronos that's a build issue

[visual flume]

it's funny too because the build just stacked like 400 hp or something dumb with the old version of water fitness

[grave parcel]

I'm way too aggressive on him

[visual flume]

and then I just got chunked repeatedly

[grave parcel]

And was running out of mana for omega specials in longer fights

[visual flume]

that sounds like a build issue

[brave dove]

I doubt this, you can basically constantly attack base chronos and only dodge when his swings come through, I suspect rather you are being aggressive at the wrong times

[grave parcel]

I had poseidons mana boon upgraded a bit

[brave dove]

Also, prioritise his adds, they're genuinely very dangerous

[brave dove]

poseidon's mana boon gives you infinite mana when it's active you shouldn't have run out

[visual flume]

also standing behind him works for a bunch of his patterns

[grave parcel]

I had some trouble with Moros trying to watch where I was doing damage and missing projectiles with everything happening

[brave dove]

with that said, it has forced downtime and is a bad pick for omega spam builds

[grave parcel]

Yeah, that's what I mean. I had to pause using it briefly

I had the longer special hammer and the bigger specials hammer

I'm still new to the game this week and learning the gods and fights

I genuinely had trouble tracking everything happening with Moros and my attacks

[visual flume]

the scythe toss can be avoided by basically just standing still if you're in the right spot, that one is meant to punish you for dodging on reflex

[grave parcel]

My main focus was on omega special uptime and my polymorph hex

[grave parcel]

I was dodging constantly as well which I know is a bad habit

[visual flume]

and the suction attack you obviously want to be behind grandpa

[visual flume]

oh god the lasers

[brave dove]

Oh no, I'm talking about his new adds from the start. I hate them so much.

[grave parcel]

The polymorph hex was great on them

[visual flume]

oh the healing dudes

[brave dove]

No, not those

The ones he has when you first come in

[grave parcel]

I definitely have trouble not dodging into his scythe

[brave dove]

The cultist guys with the knives

[visual flume]

probably describing them wrong

[grave parcel]

Did he get different adds with the patch?

[visual flume]

P1 I just try to get rid of the adds

[brave dove]

He got different adds in the last EA patch and they got a buffed moveset this patch

[visual flume]

yeah he got special adds

[brave dove]

now they can throw their stupid knife from across the room it's very annoying

[grave parcel]

Ah. Something seemed different. Did they change the last zone as well? Last run I had to focus on the main path and didn't get options for doors

[visual flume]

I'm pretty sure the tempus getting lasers is also new

[brave dove]

no that just happens sometimes

[grave parcel]

I had a great build for doing more rooms and didn't get any

Is echo's death defiance boon good?

[visual flume]

I usually just skip tartarus bonus rooms because if my build gets there at all it's probably ok to go already

[grave parcel]

I burned through it so fast on Chronos

[visual flume]

what did that do?

I don't recall

oh right it refills all your dds but they get weaker after each use

[brave dove]

as a last resort yeah but it's probably the least ideal way to refill them

if you're struggling with the last parts of a UW run I would unironically recommend her Evade Evade Evade boon

if you can clear up to chronos without losing too much of it it gives you an enormous buffer

[visual flume]

oh yeah evade evade evade is good

[brave dove]

Evade Evade Evade from Echo + Unseen Ire from the tart npc will massively amp your tankiness

in general you should reserve a portion of your build for 'defensives', they're much stronger and also more necessary than they were in h1

[visual flume]

I feel like mel is tankier than zag

though zag obviously had more mobility and stuff going on

[brave dove]

once you factor in builds yeah absolutely it's not even close you can run unironic tank builds and they're good

[visual flume]

probably not like the one artemis run I had where it took me 43 minutes to clear surface though

no damage output

hmm I forgot what you want to run on torches because I don't play them

[brave dove]

which torches

though I guess if you're doing a fresh file it barely matters, are you?

[visual flume]

any of them, though I don't actually have supay unlocked

nah, not fresh save file

[brave dove]

mana burn isn't the meme it used to be but it's still very strong

particularly with the new... is it poseidon/hera duo? I think so

[dreamy inlet]

ok actually i think blitz is pretty amazing if you take splitter, you attack so slowly, and hit so hard, that even 150% inc damage on attack is probably around 40-60 at the end

but blitz just does 80-120 flat, and you always hit hard enough to proc it by the next attack
basically meaning if you go splitter or a mega heavy hitting attack this is unironically more damage

[visual flume]

blitz is just very strong in general, big damage numbers

[brave dove]

to be clear the damage multiplier also multiplies the amped damage from hell splitter

[proven pendant]

Is every weapon viable now or are there still much better weapons and much wofse

[dreamy inlet]

wdym multiplies? i thought this game has no multipliers

only additive increases

[brave dove]

all damage multipliers with rare exceptions add together, yes, but they'll multiply any flat additions of capital P Power because those aren't damage multipliers

such as, for example, hell splitter

[oblique hazel]

every weapon is at least useable afaik, a few like artemis and selene, maybe mel axe or momus (idk how potent the mel axe buffs were in practice) are weaker than others while aspects like medea, circe and anubis are still very strong

[kindred sonnet]

everything is viable unless youre playing very high heat or speedrunning

[brave dove]

every weapon can clear 62 fear

[kindred sonnet]

they can, but some are definitely better than others at that level

[brave dove]

I mean sure but medea is better than every other non-hidden aspect at every level

[brave dove]

more broadly, aspect balance is very tight and unless you are good enough to have a fairly sophisticated personal tier list 'which you vibe with better' is going to determine your success far more than the weapon's relative power

[delicate kite]

Always will be at high fear

Is Hera Rush viable on Supay now?
You do not get to Re-apply it unlike the other dashes but Hestia dash no longer infinite stacks. Could I not take Hestia Special + Hera Rush?

I tried it low fear and Hestia carried but I am unsure how much of that was Hera Rush interacting with Scorch.

[keen scaffold]

help

which Boon is good for spamming magic

[dreamy inlet]

wait a minute
skulking vs wicked onslaught
one is +20 flat the other is 150%

whats the base damage on blades?.. because if its around 40 per hit then its SIGNIFICANTLY weaker

man i genuinely dont understand how multipliers work in this game can someone explain it to me because it feels off

[brave dove]

I wouldn't advise it because you can only apply it once

[brave dove]

skulking onslaught is additive with a % attack boon wicked, adding flat power, instead gets multiplied

but if you're running an added damage attack boon like poseidon or hestia or zeus yeah skulking is better when it's active - though backstabbing does take active effort

[dreamy inlet]

so i do understand this correctly

[brave dove]

wicked is usually considered slightly better

[dreamy inlet]

so basically its just way way worse, even with the active effort its worse

[brave dove]

150% is a very large multiplier

[dreamy inlet]

and its still less than flat because the flat will still get multiplied by other boons

[brave dove]

assuming you have those boons

[dreamy inlet]

obviously its always a game between balancing flat and %

[brave dove]

poseidon, hestia and zeus attack are all very good on blades

[dreamy inlet]

i cant post pics here which is ridicules, i wanted to show the build

[brave dove]

with that said yeah broadly wicked onslaught is considered the best 'runner up' to the gamechanger hammers that blades has (trick knives, final slice, sweeping ambush in roughly that order of power) if you don't get one of those that works with your build (sweeping ambush sometimes doesn't) wicked onslaught is what you want

uh, pan blades aside, those do their own thing with special hammers though trick knives is still bis

but skulking onslaught is in practice only like, a little bit worse and it can outperform in a number of relatively common scenarios

[dreamy inlet]

trick is the dash one right

[brave dove]

throw out three specials on dash-strike yeah, contender for strongest hammer in the game

[desert shell]

Any weapon to go for Ares legendary with?

[brave dove]

Plasma torches are not strictly optimal but are good fun and a solid build

[desert shell]

Any of them or a particular aspect?

[brave dove]

Mel torches is what I've done it on before, crit + grievous blow etc.

get them 6x crits

[desert shell]

Ah I see

Will stack that with Raki then

[brave dove]

moros might be slightly better even on a build that should favour mel torch because the projectiles default pierce, I just personally don't vibe with moros

[spare breach]

Whats the correct combo for morrigan?

[oblique hazel]

omega attack-attack-special is a good starting point but i feel like you have to be somewhat reactionary with morrigan, especially against bosses - if you finish with the special its gonna return and hit again, so you only need omega and attack to finish the combo, and if you finish with attack its a multi-hit so youll only need omega and special to finish it next time

[brave dove]

last I checked it was dash-special-hold attack for the fast combo but they might have futzed with the frame data since it's been a while

[fossil matrix]

I heard heph blasts cap out at 1 second CD, does the heph+pos duo boon reduce it still?

like will it be 0.67s with the duo?

[brave dove]

it's a 2 sec cd unless they buffed it in 1.0 but yeah that gets further reduced by the duo

[fossil matrix]

oh it might have been the tooltip updated on its own then, since it said 1s with the duo

[bright lodge]

Idk if anyone else feels the same way, but so far none if the weapons come close to filling the roles the base fists and the Chaos Shield did for me in Hades 1. I still have 1 more weapon in 2 to unlock and I love the torches, but it just feels like something is missing weapon wise for me.

I also miss spamming my dash but I know I'm the problem there <w>;

[visual flume]

aspect of medea is sort of like shield

but you don't have the tankiness, you just bullrush things for ridiculous damage

[bright lodge]

Still working on getting aspects, so I'll keep that in mind so I can give that one a try once I get em. I'm a little behind cause I chose not to play in beta

[visual flume]

specifically it's a bit like beowulf except you can also use the skulls as ranged attacks and no shield to block

[brave dove]

The shield specifically is not a weapon that got ported over because it was hilariously overpowered. For fists, the last weapon is probably close to what you want?

[visual flume]

yeah coat is like fists except you also have rockets

[brave dove]

specifically hidden coat is like a hybrid of shield and fists from h1 with some unique stuff too, though the perma block is still Gone

[dreamy inlet]

how does scorch mechanic stack/doesnt stack/multiply?..

[unreal basalt]

Howw do you guys build pan

[bright lodge]

Huh. Well I just got set up right as I stopped last night to be able to do actual surface runs, so I'll hopefully be able to try that final weapon soon then

[dreamy inlet]

im asusming duration somehow if its even in the game, but if you scorch an enemy multiple times does he get multiple stacks of scorch?

do they multiply or just each does a damage over the duration and falls

[willow kraken]

okay I just got ||nergal|| axe to level 5, what are the fun builds?

[sharp sapphire]

Does anyone know if extra dose applies to dash attacks?

[oblique hazel]

poseidon and hestia are the basic ones but ive found zeus special with arc flash to be alot of fun

[sharp sapphire]

The issue with that, is there's a delay between when blitz pops and when it can be reapplied.

[median anvil]

psychic whirlwind with apollo attack

[shadow current]

ykw maybe i should just pick my favorite weapon and go full fear lmao

I'll die pretty quickly but itll be fun

[brave dove]

oattack is your lord and master, demeter, hera and apollo are all excellent on attack, bis hammer is psychic whirlwind by a Lot

take eternity in your arcana if you're running frenzy

[ornate finch]

What's a fun build for the sister blades hidden aspect?Been using Apollo attack and then pretty much picking up any random gods that happen to come along

[brave dove]

hera attack for oattack builds is excellent, particularly if you can get sweeping ambush from a hammer, due to how the oattack echoes to two additional targets

(and hitch transmits blood triad damage)

[ornate finch]

Sounds good?any juicy duo boons I should attempt to get?

Besides the torches I think they're my fav weapon

[brave dove]

it works as displayed, when you apply scorch on an enemy it can stack up to 999 (exactly one thing can go to 1200 scorch), which then ticks down over time as it does damage

scorch damage is multiplied by global damage multipliers, but scorch application is not

scorch has technically infinite duration but even at minimum scorch consumption rate and the one thing that can set it at 1200 it can only last 12 seconds max

[quartz plaza]

Is there a solid Mel Axe build? Or is Mel Axe just worse than the other axes :(

[civic ocean]

Not like too too different than what it used to be - look for a good % based attack like Aphrodite or Hera, mix in things that scale off of your maximum HP like revenge boons, hearty appetite, mutual destruction, and seek max hp leverage like spiritual affirmation, daze, weak, dodge chance etc

[dreamy inlet]

i figured as much as this, but, still dont get the rest
youre saying scorch has infinite duration (??) so im assuming you mean as long as you keep refreshing it ramps, but if you stop, it goes back down to 0?

also unrelated is the centaur card bugged? why isnt it on and the other 0 grasp card does work?

[brave dove]

The orange number is the amount of damage you have stockpiled which will be dealt over time. Once it runs out it will stop doing damage because there is none left.

[willow kraken]

scorch doesn't ramp, it does a constant amount of damage

[brave dove]

There is no ramping up, scorch consumes at a flat rate of 100 per second which can be increased with the Pyro Technique boon.

That 100 damage is then multiplied by your global damage multipliers such as Origination and Strength, meaning 100 scorch will be consumed for, say, 150 damage.

[dreamy inlet]

ehhhhhhh

[civic ocean]

Centaur has an activation requirement - all 0 cost cards require something else to be on for them to be on. In Centaur’s case you must have 1 through 5 cost cards active

[dreamy inlet]

okay i guess

[lunar kiln]

i feel like the new keepsakes are so niche and difficult to use

[dreamy inlet]

so hestia generally wants very fast attacking weapons? to stack scorch?

also what happens if i have scorch on attack that deals 30p/s and then i see another scorch effect, that deals lets say 45p/s, what then?

this mechanic is so damn unclear or im really stupid idk

[civic ocean]

Everything gets added to the same pool of Scorch, which will decrease by 100 points every second IIRC the lastest numbers update

[dreamy inlet]

also says "Curse: Afflicted enemies take 100 damage accured from this every 1 sec"
then why does it say scorch damage 30?!

but it says they take 100 damage!

then says scorch damage is 30!!!!!!

[civic ocean]

They take 100 damage accrued from the scorch damage being accrued by sources that deal 30/45/60/160/whatever

That’s what the number under the enemy is

[dreamy inlet]

im aware accured means accumilitive but still this makes no sense to me

you deal 30/45/60/160 or w/e, and it can REACH 100 per second, accumiliating from all sources?......

so basically 100 is the cap and everything else adds up? (before multipliers)

[civic ocean]

You don’t really “deal” the scorch “damage” - the number on the boon gets added to what is basically a giant ammo cannister on a gun that fires 100 damage every second

[dreamy inlet]

so one hit with “Scorch damage: 30” = 30 → the enemy takes 30 total over 0.3s since the cap is 100/sec?

[visual flume]

no it's saying that every second it tracks the scorch pool and subtracts up to 100 points while also doing that much damage

[civic ocean]

Yeah more or less if an enemy had 0 scorch prior to you hitting them

[visual flume]

if you have 200 scorch on the target they take 100 damage in the first second and then another 100

if you have 30 scorch on the target they only take 30

[civic ocean]

It’s actually a bit more technical than that because Scorch actually doesn’t mechanically work every .1 seconds but your assumption is close enough

[dreamy inlet]

and then when you get multipliers
the max goes up
does it still work the same, but you need to work harder to get there?
if you get to 150 if you managed 50% increased damage somewhere
does that mean you now need to bank 150 scorch p/s or is it still 100 drainrate

this mechanic is cooked not going to lie

[visual flume]

my understanding is it's just a cap

on how fast you can do dot

you still need to stack the scorch first

it's saying that even if you stack 1k scorch on a target they still cannot take more than 100 per second (base)

[civic ocean]

The actual damage the enemy receives from the gun that fires 100 damage per second is affected by olympian or global damage modifiers, same as a poseidon wave or a zeus bolt

You can make the gun use more than 100 ammo a second with Pyro Technique, a secondary boon from hestia

[dreamy inlet]

ugh T_T alright

tldr only fast weapon for scorch

[civic ocean]

Yeah, fast weapon, or Smolder Ring works well too. Higher rarity and pom upgrades help a lot as well

[visual flume]

scorch used to be worse because the cap was lower

thankfully they buffed it

[dreamy inlet]

unrelated simpler question, any reason NOT to have autosprint on?

seems like a nobrainer to take it

[civic ocean]

Some things trigger when you begin sprinting that you may wish to hold and certain enemy attacks are easier to dodge while not sprinting

[dreamy inlet]

oh wait nvm it affects dash attack thats horrible

[grave parcel]

@brave dove Thanks for the advice earlier. Just tried Moros a second time and absolutely wrecked Chronos. Didn't even die once. Frost seemed fantastic. Had level 9 heroic ice strike

Unseen Ire from Hades seemed to help as well

[spare laurel]

Hey guys, I have a really hard time making Aspect of Nyx work. The omega boost damage seems just more interesting than the nightspawn, I feel like I'm missing something. How do the nightspawn interact with boons? Anyone got any suggestions?

[uneven palm]

Nightspawn trigger on-hit effects like waves or scorch or Blitz. Use those, or Hera’s good too.

[lapis lantern]

fro nyx go hestia or zues special

maybe hera attack

hope to get frame launcher and shimmering hammers and just cleanse

[grave parcel]

Which mana regen boons are best for constant omega spam?

[spare laurel]

Ah, so it's really just acting as even more hits. I imagine poseidon special might just shred too, interesting

[lapis lantern]

Borrn againb tbh

posi is good for omega regen as well

[brave dove]

imo dem cast is preferable to attack for torches (though people do underrate dem attack and obviously you got so many poms it didn't matter lul) but yeah freeze is just incredible

[cinder palm]

Ngl can't believe moros survived all the way to 1.0 with how busted it is

Like even supay got neutered but moros still dishes out a disgusting amount of dmg lol

[quartz plaza]

is there a good build calculator / creator website that's up to date for release?

[quartz plaza]

thanks, bizarrely the mobanalytics "starter moonstone build" recommends apollo for some reason -- not sure how good those builds are though

[pulsar folio]

is there a good build i can try to make aspect of anubis work? feels really sluggish

[civic ocean]

Apollo definitely falls under "Good % based boon" and Extra dose and Blinding Rush are super good so it's definitely possible.

[quartz plaza]

thanks, not sure why i love the axe so much, but i do

[pulsar folio]

tbh axe was my favorite weapon until i got aspect of morrigan for the daggers

[cinder palm]

I remember hestia scorch attack goes hard on it

[spare laurel]

Each tic of the conscrated field counts as a new attack, I have fun doing static shock zeus with it. Apollo to make it REAL BIG is also hilarious, if not super high damage

[pulsar folio]

hmmm

ok ill give em a shot, thanks for the ideas

[elfin forge]

Hestia, Poseidon are really good as well

Stack the attack and cast, then mash special(applying debuffs like Blitz) or Omega Special(giant nukes)

omega attack is nice but optional

[pulsar folio]

oh ok

[cinder palm]

Man any circe cast build is just a visual clutter build lol

[elfin forge]

circe zeus cast is just a flashbang

[willow kraken]

how does circe work with the ranged curses?

[pulsar folio]

also, i havent dug into dual torches much at all, is there a good like, easy build to practice with them?

[cinder palm]

Like I got supernova solar ring and my screen is just YELLOW

[pulsar folio]

any aspect

[elfin forge]

your cast is ranged, the familiars is not

[willow kraken]

moros with zeus special and a % attack boon

[elfin forge]

aphro torches works out pretty well I think

[pulsar folio]

i dont have much levels in em

[cinder palm]

Or moros with hera special and zeus attack too

[elfin forge]

torches is kinda in a weird spot where it's not super fast but it's doesn't have gigantic power either

[fresh pivot]

how's hera attack on meli skull?

[pulsar folio]

i dont even have the 4th aspect for torches

[cinder palm]

Torches are literally my best weapons honestly and it's not even close

[pulsar folio]

should probably do that

is aspect of melinoe not worth using?

for torches*

[cinder palm]

It is if you hard invest into the omega attack

[willow kraken]

yeah probably 60% of my kills so far are with moros

[pulsar folio]

ill give this a shot

[cinder palm]

Apollo legendary with is is disgusting

[pulsar folio]

bet, ill see how it goes

[chilly swift]

Do you guys feel like the Dark Side boon from Selene is worth picking? Do the unique abilities* do more damage than spamming normal attack or special with most good builds? Just curious

[nova cairn]

What's a good charon build looking like these days

[elfin forge]

normal stuff, I think. Ares and Apollo for ocast boons

[nova cairn]

like meat grinder or the sword one

[elfin forge]

it depends I think
it is also a ton of invincibility which can help with dodging stuff

[elfin forge]

meat grinder
Usually poseidon or apollo cast boon

[chilly swift]

I completely forgot to factor in the invincibility 🤦‍♀️ I imagine that's where a lot of the benefit comes from, thanks!

[elfin forge]

if you have something like Aphro or demeter Mana Gain, it also gives you free time to regen mana

[chilly swift]

That's a great point!

[elfin forge]

Overall its not ideal. I don't like hexes that much except for timestop or moonwater just because my base build will do more damage in the time it takes to finish the hex

[gaunt quest]

which one??

Chain Reaction

Furnace Blast

or Rude Awakening?

[chilly swift]

That's my general impression too, unfortunately

[brave dove]

Feel like this is a gross underestimation of hexes and also I genuinely don't recall seeing the slowdown since 1.0?

Night Bloom, Lunar Ray, Skyfall and Phase Shift all offer vastly more damage when upgraded.

[elfin forge]

idk I've done too many runs where I just forget about my hex and still breeze through

[brave dove]

I mean... yeah you can beat 50 fear boonless you don't need them.

[elfin forge]

like yeah I could do wolf howl
or I could just do oattack again

[lapis lantern]

i often dont even take hex, but they all seem pretty useful if ur bothering to upgradre them/godsents

apollo beam is pretty hysterical when upgraded

[brave dove]

Wolf howl specifically is a mobility and defensive tool, primarily, not a damage tool.

[elfin forge]

yeah it's basically a fighting game DP

[brave dove]

yeah good analogy

[chilly swift]

Good insights, I often fail to consider upgrades when factoring hexes into my choices

[analog osprey]

dumb question: is the coat's +3 dash attack hammer + poseidon waves still good

[elfin forge]

yeah I think so?

[analog osprey]

cool

[rich belfry]

guys whats a good boons or build to go with flames aspect of mel??

[analog osprey]

time to have fun, thanks

[elfin forge]

Mel Flames goes for % attack and zeus special, probably?

like Apollo or aphro attack

[regal flicker]

Which god goes well with aspect of nergal ?

[bronze pine]

I actually like some of the changes to the boons for some gods in the full release

Apollo not needing to be in circle to get the mana regen on it feels so much better

Before I felt like I could only use Axe of Charon+Apollo together to really maximize it and rarely picked it up on other weapons.

Now Apollo is my default Mana regen I pick

[dreamy inlet]

AIGHT OK i cannot play with trick shot

im probably doing it wrong because it seems to be goated but i literally cannot

[elfin forge]

apollo or aphro

[dreamy inlet]

using dash strike with this on point blank to shotgun feels so awkward i just cant not get hit by things even when i time my jumps (obviously im not just trying to run in and shotgun like a clown)

am i missing something here or is this route just very hard

[elfin forge]

you mean trick knives?

yeah trick knives is insanely good

For refernce, it turns your dash strike from 45 damage to 45+25x2x3 = 195 damage

[wanton leaf]

Question: what are the most important Arcana upgrades now that 1.0 hit? I started a new save

[pulsar folio]

lol first run on olympus with torches in a while and its a 1shot clear

[elfin forge]

did arcana get tweaks with 1.0?

[brave dove]

oh yeah apollo's new gain is cracked

[wanton leaf]

Not sure, it's just been ages and I don't know if stuff from a year ago is going to still be up to date

[bronze pine]

Do you mean in terms of progression or power lvl?

[elfin forge]

the "meta" is like, left column, death/strength, origination, huntress, wayward son, persistence

[bronze pine]

The mana regen one allows so much lee way in progression in my opinion but late game I ignore it as a final build

[chrome solar]

is there currently any up to date equivalent to that old huge "50 fear runners guide to ephyra" reddit post or do I just have to figure stuff out on my own again and pool community knowledge?

[wanton leaf]

Progression, like what should I upgrade first

[dreamy inlet]

yeah but im apperantly very bad because making it work consistantly is pretty difficult

[elfin forge]

h2crossroads.page.dev has high level runs from last patch, and the builds used

[elfin forge]

I think of it more as something that just happens. I'm basically always dash striking all the time so it just skyrockets my damage

you really don't need to optimize the trick knives dance, it'll go crazy anyways

[oblique hazel]

woah the visual clutter is way less of an issue now, i just did a gust run with tropical cyclone and everything and i could actually see what i was doing. insane.

[keen vapor]

What kinda build do people do with aspect of selene? I hear starting with ares keepsake to get his hex can be strong

[chrome solar]

link not working for me

[elfin forge]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/EALadder
Click "Query" if you want to watch videos

[chrome solar]

ohh

thanks

[elfin forge]

if you want more precise info, best to probably just ask in the speedrunning discord

[wanton leaf]

Also what's generally better, Death, or Strength

[elfin forge]

great question we don't know

I think Strength is better for low difficulties, while Death is much better at maximum fear

but you can definitely do Death at low fear as well if you wanna

[gilded inlet]

Nexus Rush is so good now. Just did a run where Rushing did 96k.

Death when starting out to learn the game. Strength after once you get good. Death again for very high fear.

[elfin forge]

Strength: Deal more base damage. Your health is more valuable(healing and centaur hearts are buffed).
Death: Resist oneshots. Get some immunity after you die. More overall health from 100 to 0.

[brave dove]

healing is the only thing effectively buffed by strength, centaur hearts are actually slightly stronger on death due to the higher max ehp multiplier

[elfin forge]

makes sense

I was wondering which would benefit more from a heart

[cold turret]

So what's the merciful end of this game? Freezer burn?

[fiery vine]

Aspect of Nergal > omega special activates twice from daedalus hammer > apollo legendary boon that makes omega attacks activate twice > everything dies :))

You also become incredibly difficult to kill thanks to the lifesteal from the aspect of nergal

[cold turret]

Ares has lifesteal too apparently

[fiery vine]

The amount of omega special procs that you get gives SO much healing with that setup

[rich belfry]

damn i should try that

[fiery vine]

okay wish I didn’t press this

[elfin forge]

Does Nimble Limbs work on Hidden Torches

[fiery vine]

didn’t expect a story spoiler in the builds channel…

:////

[craggy hull]

SORRY WRONG CHANNEL

[fiery vine]

:((((

[spiral wadi]

maybe for attack but i doubt for spec

i wish attack speed increased special/ospec rotation speed like that'd make ares plasma so good on it

[craggy hull]

Is the ||time piece|| any good?

[atomic plaza]

yall ever have a level 38 boon

[alpine sandal]

damn, daggers with poseidon attack and zeus' static shock just go brr. Everything flies across the arena. Only it's going to destroy my left mouse button lol

[fiery vine]

It eats up mana pretty quickly though, so just make sure you grab some mana regen boons along the way

[iron ember]

whats the best weapon to run sanguinary savor on?

if its the new weapon dont tell me about it

ive been using melinoe xinth

[keen vapor]

There's no fu****** way I just dashed out to get one-shot by chronos when I had a great aspect of selene run, gg

[rich belfry]

Time to take hecuba with ya

I wanna try to play with every aspect on the game because till now im just playing specific aspects

With higher fears too

Do we have a link or like a group of builds for the aspects yet ?

[elfin forge]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/EALadder should be decent

[elfin forge]

the timing is changed if he has freeze I think

[fossil yoke]

How do I hide spoilers question on message?

Oh Spoilers allowed here I see now on top

[elfin forge]

probably don't do ending spoilers or secret boss spoilers tho

[dreamy inlet]

the echo staff feels kinda poop i dont get the point
yes its free spells but then youre never using mana
cause the point of them is staying there right so

in 90% of cases the echos wont hit

[fossil yoke]

When fighting || Regular or Unrivaled Typhon|| and using Night Bloom hex, how does it interact with the fight ||if you kill eggs before they hatch||?

[elfin forge]

stack all 3 of them

then mash attack or special while letting them do their thing

you could still spam an omega if you want

[dreamy inlet]

yeah thats what i do but

they literally dont hit 90% of the time

[elfin forge]

duping omega cast is probably the most consistent part

you'll want to play close range

if you're trying to snipe with turrets it'll be annoying

enemies go after you, so you can just kite them around the turrets and let them explode on it

[bronze flax]

Is it just me or Anvil Ring is... Not that great? Having tried to use it but haven't felt it's that good. Am I missing something about Anvil Ring?

[spiral wadi]

anvil ring is decent for aoe groups of enemies, tho usually would prefer another cast instead

[dreamy inlet]

does it dupe effects too? the omega cast?

[spiral wadi]

iirc anvil ring has no interaction with ocast

it'd just be 3 hits + ocast hit

[dreamy inlet]

so basically i would want something like zeus + hermes or something

or apollo for AOE

[bronze flax]

That feels like anti Aspect of Charon synergy

[spiral wadi]

yea if u want actual cast aoe then smolder ring lol

[bronze flax]

I mean, you don't get the three hits + the OCast when you use trigger it immediately with Aspect of Charon, do you?

[elfin forge]

aspect of charon wants poseidon I think?

[spiral wadi]

uhh after cast expires the 3 hits still continue

anvil ring isn't tied to cast duration/existence

[elfin forge]

yeah you can have like, 4 hammers going at once if your cast is fast enough

[spiral wadi]

circe meta

[bronze flax]

Interesting

[bronze flax]

Lucid Gain is now the Aspect of Circe Magick boon lol

[spiral wadi]

tru

[bronze flax]

I... I didn't know Aspect of Momus also repeated Omega Casts

Well, that's another win for Lucid Gain

[iron ember]

is ares good with zoreophet or is it uhhh. bad. idk if im allowed to swear

okay im not

[spiral wadi]

yea probably, u'd mainly want get plasma if u want ares on axe

[fossil yoke]

Am I crazy or since release ||unrivaled typhon|| sometimes gets bugged and just spams ||the line from his tounge constantly||?

[formal pulsar]

ares not ideal on the axe because wounds only buffs once every 3 sec and has low percentage modifier. You want Aphro Apollo or Hera

[spiral wadi]

nah that's happened to me too

[iron ember]

im more concerned w/ ares anyways so i just switched to artemis lim and oros

[formal pulsar]

Anyone knows of noteworthy changes not in the patch notes? Cuz SGG loves their hidden changes

[iron ember]

i was gonna ask also if the arcana had any notable changes. i usually use the high fear surface build

[formal pulsar]

AFAIK arcana is untouched

[iron ember]

also like. please dont spoil anything for me specifically. iwont stay in this chat long

[spiral wadi]

yea arcana's overall untouched

strength forever useless in high fear

[iron ember]

ok ty. thats good bc i didnt want to relearn it. i like most of the revamps on the boons tho

[iron ember]

lmao not THAT high fear

[formal pulsar]

That is so sad. They were cooking with having alt to dds but they decided to take it to the barn upstate

[spiral wadi]

legit i'm still annoyed they nerfed strength before fixing the cheeses

[formal pulsar]

Medea going to 1.0 untouched has got to be the biggest meme

Someone on the team must really love it and hate momus and pan

[spiral wadi]

they hate momus and pan and umbral flames fr

[iron ember]

medea makes my skin crawl because its so finnicky to use but its lowkey amazing

[spiral wadi]

only medea can be the brainless aspect

[bronze flax]

I like Aspect of Momus, so you won't see any complain from me

Pan, on the other hand...

[oak ginkgo]

Ares is good in the Axe

[spiral wadi]

yea momus conceptually is fun to play it just sucks that they both nerfed the interval and also nerfed the cool ass tech that mininet pioneered

[iron ember]

i imagine zorophet would benefit from a good plasma build but also in high fear i bet its like impossible to set up

[spiral wadi]

like staff omegas are now just dogwater and it's better to forget they exist

[radiant stirrup]

if I take Wide Grin with Heph attack does it apply the blast to each of the skulls or just one of them. they all fire at once according to the hammer but idk

[iron ember]

i think the circe casts are nice

[spiral wadi]

ye circe's fun

[lavish hare]

so how does boosted ignition interact with medea?

[spiral wadi]

yea ares needs way too much of an investment to make work in high fear lol

basically old heph problem

[lavish hare]

given that you load your attack into your special, is it just free damage?

[spiral wadi]

not to mention god keepsakes are ass now due to forfeit bug so it's even worse for ares and every god rn

[spiral wadi]

it should just apply blast the first enemy it hits

[radiant stirrup]

is it just me or do these "Fates Whim" keepsakes seem awful? you have to sacrifice so much for not that much of a gain

[spiral wadi]

i haven't gotten the new keepsakes yet,,

[radiant stirrup]

you have to have 0 rerolls and not use any god keepsakes

like why would I do that?

[fossil yoke]

Does Blitz have any CD? If you were to have a hight attack speed build with whatever weapon, and get Blitz on Attack, could you theoretically go ham with it or it has cd before youre able to reapply?

[spiral wadi]

it probably does but it's incredibly unnoticeable to matter

[elfin forge]

yes it does, it's like half a second

[fossil yoke]

Okay that sounds fine, I was thinking more dire, I've been having fun with Aspect of ||hel|| and trying to decide between some stuff thats worth trying 😄

[elfin forge]

Does winner's circle work with hestia or nah

[graceful dragon]

Just flubbed a run against the penultimate Unrivaled Surface boss. Managed to make a Hera Queen's Ransom build with about 26 level and double fine lines with Moros, but went in with too little health and gave up halfway through.

Anyone else just feel completely unmotivated to continue once you start dropping your DDs? I already used Athena's reset, and I didn't have any confidence of beating the Unrivaled Surface final boss, so I just gave up.

[graceful dragon]

Winner's Circle just means your Omega Cast comes online faster and leaves faster.

So yes, it still works with Hestia's Cast if that's what you're asking.

[spiral wadi]

winner's w hestia would just mean u have to be more active in placing casts rather than planting it

more of a high fear thing esp when enemies like hecate or chronos keep running around so lingering casts are worse

also it's cruel that chronos p3 actually takes his time before teleporting unlike hecate who has an unclear "i'll teleport now" like 1sec of not attacking, where it's extremely unclear what her attack patterns are, sometimes she'll attack twice, sometimes thrice

[dull citrus]

Does iridescent aura not show up with born gain? I’m meeting the slated requirements and it never came up (vow that removes options you don’t choose is on)

Kinda screwing my 40 fear run with a replacement lol

[bronze pine]

I forgot how much harder the 1st run is in Hades 2 because of Eris, that debuff is no joke when you get touched lol

[spiral wadi]

nah just bad luck

[dull citrus]

How is it bad luck? Shouldn’t it have been guaranteed?

the only option left was the transfer. Are duos not guarantee

[spiral wadi]

nah all duos have a low chance of showing up

incandescent can even show up without any gain

[dull citrus]

I know

[spiral wadi]

then yea bad luck lol

[dull citrus]

but with vow of denial, if the duo is the only boon left, shouldn’t it show up

or am I misunderstanding the vow

[spiral wadi]

nah

it still has to roll the duo check

[civic ocean]

It used to work like this but not anymore

[dull citrus]

Ohhhh

Yea I haven’t played since pretty early access

they changed it good to know. Damn I feel that’s lame. I liked using it to lock in a duo with good descision making in the run

[spiral wadi]

tru, at least they do amp up duo rates in last region anyway

at least im pretty sure they do

[dull citrus]

Interesting

woulda never guessed that

[signal coral]

Anyone know what the meta for torches is now? I last played two patches ago where you would just fine line spam, but it seems like they changed the moveset to make that less good

[fossil yoke]

After having a really bad time with ||unrivaled typhon|| I tried with aspect of hel, trying to go machine gun, but ended up dealing most damage with omega special, and oneshotting like phase 1 and last phase with just omega special not even having the time to go machine gun haha

maybe I've misinterpreted this aspect and sleeping on on the special lol

[elfin forge]

if you're using the valkyrie mode, a lot of your damage will be from scorch or waves, which on the damage screen will be separate from "attack"

[shadow plinth]

does talent chaos boon affect brave face duo boon?

[fossil yoke]

I tried scorch but scorch feels really detrimental, at least without going deeper into hestia to get faster scorch, cause it just caps on 999, and it is slow as hell

waves felt good and also zeus lightning bolts with hephaestus duo

[elfin forge]

Scorch drains at 100 per second so 999 will run out in 10 seconds
Getting pyro technique is crucial

Pyro can easily get up to +100% so you're draining at 200 per second

[fossil yoke]

Yeah thats the one didnt know the name, phrased it a bit wrong but thats what I meant yeah

[elfin forge]

there's definitely diminishing returns if you're applying enough scorch to keep maxing out

but pyro also scales with global multipliers like Origination so it usually deals damage super quick

[fossil yoke]

Even then 200 per second feels slooow, even aphrodite attack then feels better no? especially with plasma going insane speed

[fossil yoke]

I see, so theres more to combo there

[elfin forge]

I'm not a huge fan of plasma because it takes a ton of time/boon investment to ramp up

[elfin forge]

Origination alone bumps it up from 200 to 300 dps

[fossil yoke]

I think I'm addicted to the sound of going insane mode on valkyrie with plasma and all attack speed stuff tbh

[elfin forge]

I'd probably go poseidon just to see all the waves going everywhere

[fossil yoke]

Well still, going back to the original, it felt surreal hyping myself up after like 3 failed attempts at this on 24 fear

then ending up not even understanding my build and omega special oneshotting phases and not using machine gun xd

[elfin forge]

sometimes it just works lol

I did a 21f underwolrd Nyx run just now with Hestia spec, scorch ended up as top dps

I wonder if Poseidon Nyx would be good

[fossil yoke]

havent yet had the chance to really understand nyx, been having fun wtih the bouncy special /big omega attack aspect, cant recall the name

[elfin forge]

that one is shiva

[fossil yoke]

just trying to favorite one aspect on each weapon and master before moving on 😄

[elfin forge]

the bouncy special is really fun, yeah

Nyx is a bit jank but really fun, especially with autofire

[thick knoll]

so finally unlocked anubis whats a good build for it?

[elfin forge]

hestia or apollo attack
demeter or zeus cast imo

the gameplay for anubis is:
Stack attack + cast
bait enemies into it
Spam special(debuffs like blitz) or ospecial(nukes)

[thick knoll]

and what on special?

seeing attack is that field move a lot of damage needs to come from that too right

[elfin forge]

Zeus special for blitz
Apollo or aphro special for omegas

Also always dash attack, the animiation is faster

[thick knoll]

what you like mor normal spec or omega

[elfin forge]

I'm lazy so I do normal spec

I play anubis without omegas basically

[thick knoll]

also take it attack is normal seeing omega charges pretty slow

[elfin forge]

you can do omega if you want, you can dash to stack the omega and normal attack on top of each other

[thick knoll]

also have some people use ares wahts the apeal of that one?

[elfin forge]

Ares on anubis?

you don't see that often

maybe you use ares special for enormous omegas

[thick knoll]

so what what do you want first spec or atk?

[indigo viper]

Are there some boss/mobs buffed or weps nerfed?
All my runs are slower and more difficult even at 0f

[elfin forge]

pick up attack first

[elfin forge]

I don't think enemies have been tweaked

there have been some weapon changes

the only nerfs have been to Supay and flames

[civic ocean]

I believe Prom and Typhon were tweaked a bit?

[elfin forge]

Flames: reduced special damage
supay: Reduced omegas rate of fire

[civic ocean]

||Judgement has been buffed tremendously by the inclusion of the three new keepsakes||

[thick knoll]

did you try poseidon on it?

[elfin forge]

not really, I just know they made it work now
(before, it was bugged)

I did Hestia attack Demeter special, Melted basically everything

Hestia keepsake start, demeter keepsake zone 2

[alpine sandal]

What's a fun build for Mel's black coat. I've done one run with Hera's special and it was so easy I can't think of anything else rn. It was literally one button run

[thick knoll]

i havent used mel coat much i tend to either use nyx or selene i have more fun with thsoe

[elfin forge]

Mel coat is probably like, poseidon attack, zeus special

mash attack and special at the same time

[alpine sandal]

I don't really have resources for those now. But I want to use black coat more, it's pretty unique

[elfin forge]

I'm not a huge fan of coat tbh, but I gravitate towards nyx

[alpine sandal]

I was thinking Hestia for special to get stuff burning, then maybe Aphrodite for attack for those chunky omegas

[elfin forge]

idk how it is now but omega attack has been bad for most of the early access

[alpine sandal]

It's very clunky, but big damage numbers is big damage numbers you know

[thick knoll]

thing with hestia on coat is i think its not fast enough

[elfin forge]

hestia nyx is crazy good

[civic ocean]

it is usually more than enough on the rapid fire weapons

[pulsar folio]

yo question regarding certain weapons and how they aim. i was playing torches and also skull and i play on controller. im wondering if theres a way to force the attacks to hit different targets? sometimes i wanna aim manually rather than shoot where the game thinks i wanna shoot, like sometimes it'll target the far enemy when im trying to hit the threat right next to me or something.

[sudden belfry]

about to go try and square up with ||prometheus|| again any tips

[elfin forge]

do you struggle with memory game or nonmemory game

[sudden belfry]

uhmmm.
not sure it has been a while

just gimme tips for both
pretty please

[thick knoll]

it is but i dont like it too much on coat and axe

[nimble portal]

what is the best blessings to use on the umbral flames melinoe aspect

[elfin forge]

||Non memory game: Try to let him get close, then dash away real quick. Try to place fire aoes on the edge of the arena. Don't kill his summons, its a waste of time.
Memory game: Call out, out loud, which lanes will be safe. Repeat it once or twice, and then run to the safe spots while saying them to yourself.||

[sudden belfry]

awesome ty!!

[signal coral]

Can I ask how people typically play reworked mel torches?

[uneven palm]

O special, hold attack

[signal coral]

I've been starting cardio gain because it seems to work well with the omega attack but it certainly feels less powerful than the giga fine line build from before

[uneven palm]

Anything on attack/special is ok honestly but like Hera/Zeus are probably the best simple combo

[signal coral]

Im still looking for born gain then?

As the main core boon

[uneven palm]

Lotta gains are fine. Hera, Poseidon, Zeus, Hestia, Apollo. If you’re making omegas more expensive yeah you might want Hera

[signal coral]

I just unlocked hera on my fresh file so up until now ive been using cardio gain

Just gotta hold attack and turn brain off

[elfin forge]

try to get hitch somehow

[spiral wadi]

infernal contract thing ||zag doing 30 damage with strength is kinda insane esp in erebus||

[civic ocean]

||I believe with pain no strength Zagreus' spear does something like 100 a hit? FWIW Hippo looked at the code and he doesn't get any stronger if you want until later in the run, though the rewards for beating him in-run are pretty bad||

[spiral wadi]

||man why can't high fear be fun||

||imagine if fighting zag was actually meta||

[civic ocean]

||was it ever meta to fight Charon?||

[spiral wadi]

||i knew it wasn't but i always felt like optional hard fights should be relevant in high difficulty settings||

||the bare minimum would just be to stop timer during optional fights like that||

it's also why no one plays the asphodel minigame correctly cuz there's no incentive

btw did they increase midshop chances in fields cuz i just had one in place of echo

[elfin forge]

I feel like they did but they never announce rng changes

[civic ocean]

||are you doing plot rn||

[elfin forge]

like I felt like Unseen made blues and purples a lot more rare

[sudden belfry]

my god the coat with hestia attack tears thru enemies like tissue paper

[spiral wadi]

||kinda yea, just did the chronos checkups in both routes||

[civic ocean]

||Oh weird I have only ever gotten midshop fields once and it was during the climax||

[sudden belfry]

also whats considered the allaround best cast

[spiral wadi]

||yea i also only got midshop fields during the run of saving hecate||

[civic ocean]

Nothing is really considered the all-around best anything

[sudden belfry]

zamn
ok maybe best cast paired with the coat?

and hestia attack

[civic ocean]

probably arctic ring, if you are going to be punching

[sudden belfry]

gotcha

[civic ocean]

freeze will help you not die to armored enemies

[alpine sandal]

man, that duo boon that makes hitch affected enemies takes 6x your mana regen in damage is crazy nice

[spiral wadi]

i'm thinking about the possibility of keeping an ea save and doing 62f runs on these weird plot-controlled runs

[civic ocean]

I wonder about that one run yeah

[spiral wadi]

wait so is infernal contract only available on ||erebus and oceanus||

[civic ocean]

I dunno that's a good q for hippo

I havent seen it

[spiral wadi]

crazy

[tough pasture]

Folks, tell it to me straight...

did medea get nerfed or nah?

(does cast still get that (hidden) massive boost?)

[civic ocean]

Bugfixed

[spiral wadi]

bug fixed ye

[tough pasture]

"AMMMMMMIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRR NOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

https://tenor.com/view/desync-table-slam-table-smash-crush-angry-gif-1736984351640038904

[spiral wadi]

anyway i just looked away after getting the ||long arm of the unseen|| incantation so ig it's hide and seek trying to find out what happened

same thing happened with the record keeper i could not find it for 30 minutes or so

[civic ocean]

I didnt get that one yet how do u unlock it

[spiral wadi]

good question i forgor, i think it was a hecate dialogue

aight just got the first of the 3 new keepsakes ||jeweled pom seems weird||

||what constitutes as "most boons have +lv" is it just rng check like persephone||

also how do i proc divinity without reroll corner i don't want to play death

[civic ocean]

||Every pommable boon has +1/2/3 poms on it, as long as you maintain Fates' Whim for the rest of the run||

[spiral wadi]

||ooh i see, interesting||

[alpine sandal]

damn, all together boon from ||hera|| is pretty nutty

[spiral wadi]

it's prob just gonna be for void runs then cuz trying to get divinity in arcana without death sucks

[elfin forge]

it's sooooo funny

[civic ocean]

ull see

[spiral wadi]

it's also the fact that there's not a 4th 4-card arcana

so forced to drop queen arcana to max out 30

[civic ocean]

||It's pretty much only compatible with judgement||

[spiral wadi]

figures

[civic ocean]

I guess you could kinda do it with 30 tbh

[spiral wadi]

unseen 4-cost 1.1 trust

[stuck comet]

So Knuckle bones is pretty nice vs ||VoR Prometheus|| since it takes 15% from both of them

[civic ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241160250829049909/1421277828573298718/image.png?ex=68d873a0&is=68d72220&hm=cada61482a5dbc9d04edda4e6fed79b06262d677ec69385c2db50522d7e64db8& isnt this ok

[spiral wadi]

no way strength + death meta

[civic ocean]

o LMAO

woops

[spiral wadi]

yea there's not a 4th arcana card so ur kinda forced to take both which is dumb

[civic ocean]

4 cost queen

[spiral wadi]

true 👀

no sorceress ig works best on staff cuz ur not gonna be using omegas anyway

[civic ocean]

yeah i always sub between sorc and mess depending if im manaless or not

||Or I did but I think I'm a judgement player now???||

[spiral wadi]

65f mel flames

[civic ocean]

||No I think its just stronger at 62 to drop forfeit and take void 3 atp||

[spiral wadi]

ah tru

hoping it gets patched out cuz i am not poking high fear like that rn lol

it seems like god keepsake still works in 1st region (tho for 1 room still, if u skip it it's just gone forever)? or did i just get lucky twice in a row

[elfin forge]

what's wrong with god keepsake?

they've been working for me

[civic ocean]

onion eats it

[elfin forge]

ohhhh yeah that sucks

[spiral wadi]

currently if u take an onion door, it consumes the keepsake entirely

[elfin forge]

when a god keepsake procs to spawn boon it now says a message

so it gets consumed then, if I had to guess

[civic ocean]

it used to say every time

[spiral wadi]

nah it always did that in p11

[civic ocean]

we think its a bug

maybe

[ashen perch]

If I have armour and jump down chaos gate, does it take health or armour?

[spiral wadi]

hp

[shadow plinth]

does melting sickle not affect omega?

[steel sequoia]

my fingers are destroyed from playing lmao. spamming skulls not good for grannys

[bold pollen]

Does chaos boon boosting casts work on scorch cast?

[spiral wadi]

nah

[bold pollen]

What does it work on then?

[spiral wadi]

nothing boosts scorch cast application anymore so it's worthless

prob ocast or other cast related boons like prominence flare

if u want a core cast that does work then prob zeus cast

[bold pollen]

I kinda suspected... since scorch can be applied by other methods too.

[stuck comet]

the tempation to take +2 godsent uses per room

[spiral wadi]

wait if judgement forces a reroll card on u do u just drop ||gold pom||

or does it only check if u've rerolled once ever

[civic ocean]

||When Fates' Whim is active Judgement and Crystal Figurine cannot select Champions Fates or Enchantress||

[spiral wadi]

o that's cool actually

[civic ocean]

very

[minor pecan]

hi, if I have volcanic strike trigger every 12 seconds on attacks and I get the chain reaction boon, will it double trigger every 12 seconds or what? Thanks

[stuck comet]

You have to 2 seconds once it recharges to activate it, Then it triggers twice. If more than 2 seconds only 1

[loud moat]

Yes. As long as you immediately trigger the Heph blast the moment it recharges, it will double blast.

Also why pomming your Heph blasts is so vital. Getting that sucker down to say 2/3 seconds (or 1 with Poseidon Duo) is practically mandatory.

[minor pecan]

if I'm constantly attacking this seems like it will happen more often than not...using a rapid weapon

[loud moat]

Yea pretty much it will always proc.

It’s essentially double damage on all Heph blasts no matter the recharge time. It’s easy to proc it unless enemies are far enough away it takes longer than a second to get to them.

[minor pecan]

right, but if you're basically constantly attacking a boss it's essentially massive additional auxilliary damage right?

[loud moat]

It doubles your Heph Blasts. That’s all. So yes, double damage if you’re just wailing on a boss.

If you have a Heph blast down to 1 second, you’re just doing double Heph blast every second always and forever.

I’d expect it also procs Aphro/Heph duo boon twice as well which is nice

Combined with Apollo Sunny Disposition could make for a fun heartthrobs build

So sad they nerfed the number of heartthrobs you can maintain

[spiral wadi]

yea heartthrobs r just useless rn

[clever drum]

Any aspect of nyx tips?

[shadow plinth]

does fireball count as fire effect from hestia?

[sudden belfry]

the summit is so hard its actually scary
No idea what the boss is gonna be like....||other than that creepy massive tendril||

[elfin forge]

I was gonna disagree but I kinda got whooped just now on my latest run

I think they tuned it to have more big enemies and less weak hordes

[sudden belfry]

||that damn shark monster thing what the hell!!! its SO bad
also i hate charybdis or whatever it is. im so bad at this game||

[elfin forge]

before 1.0, once you got over the learning curve, it was the shortest and most consistent biome

[sudden belfry]

i can still barely get past ||prometheus|| too......uuurgghhhh....
i never tried it before 1.0
i had stopped playing frequently by the time it was added

[elfin forge]

||sharkboy is called "Spawn of Typhon"||
he's basically a dark souls boss. Matador to the side, keep doing that over and over. For his melee combo, just back away, you can't really hit him safely.

[sudden belfry]

ooohhh...tyty
wdym by matador though?

[elfin forge]

just dash to the side

[sudden belfry]

oh gotcha lol

[elfin forge]

he's kind of slow so you can really do good damage

[alpine sandal]

first time he was a handful. He also ended one of my runs. Overall I'm enjoying the bosses in-between main region bosses, some are good fun

[sudden belfry]

reading this article that says not to take death defiance so you can take strength and ||athenas divine dash instead||
would yall say hes worth that much prep??

[woeful saddle]

is it just me or is ||aspect of supay||... not good

[brave dove]

it's great but it wants quite specific boons and combinations

[sudden belfry]

logged off to take a break 5 minutes ago and i wanna play again already LOL