#h2-builds-and-combat

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limpid isle
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I miss it 😭

surreal hazel
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Lance of ares is. A thing

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Squall of demeter is also a wave wipe, especially with air quality

humble dagger
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How do I unlock Kindred Keepsakes?

glass shell
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elaborate what is that

surreal hazel
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Get gifting

glass shell
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cause i don't recognize the term

humble dagger
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allows you to swap keepsakes between locations

glass shell
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haven't checked in a long time though

lapis lantern
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failed my 12 fear suface cos i was using heras gain and maxed my magik bar out 🙁

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i guess if u take that u want to get a ton of +max magik

wheat thistle
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Yupp

humble dagger
white forum
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The Greater Chaos trials have no gatherable resources in them. Is that intended? No fishing, no moss, no bronze, etc. This is the difference between activating some boons and not.

glass bone
spiral wadi
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@wispy iron i am super fascinated by that 32f clear lmao, good job but also how the hell did you take that long LOL

wispy iron
# spiral wadi <@381124343951785984> i am super fascinated by that 32f clear lmao, good job but...

Short answer is : The early game was me being very skittish due to the +perk on armored mobs and the revenant. I mostly tried to weave around and survive, at I wasn't familiar with those ones, nor with the synergy of those + hordes and menace.
This lead to an early where I fell down to something like 18 hp at some point, chaos curse not helping, and me basically trying to survive and being very passive, even if it lead to the same enemy coming back 3 times

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Also, double ward on fishies in Erebus is tough

spiral wadi
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gotcha, yea hippos in erebus are absolutely not fun i get it lol

wispy iron
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Also, if staying put in a charon's well interface still runs the timer, I might have gotten some extra run time by taking a bathroom break

spiral wadi
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r u gonna stick w the passive playstyle or do u aim to like actually get thru rooms faster

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uhh timer gets stopped during charon wells, boon menu, shop rooms, npc rooms, etc

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so realistically like timer 2 high fear is super free

wispy iron
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Difficult to say, as it was my first experience with 32f.
I'm usually between 24 and 30 minutes of clear time, so I really dunno what happened there

spiral wadi
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yea fair, grit and hordes severely amps up clear times, so especially if ur not used to room clearing it can get a lil absurd

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if u do plan to go higher than 32 i'd rec temporarily dropping hordes/grit and just slamming timer 3 on urself

wispy iron
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That'd assume more than 32 which I'm not sure I want to do, and yeah, timer 3 is a big no-no

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I appreciate some challenge, but having a time constraint is just too stressful for me.

tall notch
spiral wadi
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ye that's perfectly fair, high fear gets a lil dumb lol

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insane

median anvil
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hordes3 wards2 return2 with grit is crazy for first 32

spiral wadi
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i wish boundless flurry was in unseen

wispy iron
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Except when I play Axe, in which case the Wards are dropped

median anvil
surreal hazel
median anvil
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since you get used to it early

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but if the goal is just 32 then it's awful

median anvil
wispy iron
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Uh

spiral wadi
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i don't mean to like rag on the getting used to it early thing but getting used to them without timer is kinda absurd

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not that it's a bad thing like, since ur not pushing further than 32 it's fine

spiral wadi
ocean ibex
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i've seen like 40f clears without any timer

median anvil
spiral wadi
median anvil
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oh yeah that would've been huge for pan

spiral wadi
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i really want to see the hyper passive game

ocean ibex
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it makes me feel like i'm losing at chess to a ladybug

wispy iron
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Also fellas, one thing that has to be said is that me coming to this discord about a week ago is the first "close" interaction with the community.
Even back in Hades I, I don't watch videos, streams, even discussed the game past some questions on the subreddit that were not showing on the wiki.
So meta and stuff are foreign concepts with me, I see the words, and if my brain clicks with it, I roll. If that doesn't work, I die, and try again.

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So that could lead to a somewhat unusual playstyle, from what I gather from you

spiral wadi
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o yea same i basically avoided h1 and h2 guides for the most part, it's perfectly fine lol

ocean ibex
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i dont think i ever put on timer in h1

spiral wadi
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it's alright not to be meta conforming, it's just cool when i do see it esp at higher fears

median anvil
wispy iron
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I did it once because it was a prophecy of some kind

spiral wadi
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cuz if u can do that especially while not being in the know of meta stuff then u got that skill 💪

wispy iron
spiral wadi
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if u net a win with it while having fun then it's a p good setup

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also getting that 16f bounty at 32 is fire

wispy iron
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Tbh the bounty is there to dictate which route should I take with the thirsty weapon. Then I put aleast the required fear, and usually some more

spiral wadi
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makes sense

tall notch
spiral wadi
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o nah, there's a running joke in the ut community where undertale fans have no media literacy and can't read

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was jokin bout it cuz pizza didn't know what boundless flurry was

tall notch
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oh

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i get it now, thanks for explaining

spiral wadi
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np

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it's a good game btw, 10 years anniversary just passed

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it's $2.50 rn

tall notch
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I don't have a $2.50 to spare on games rn, it's been a hard month

spiral wadi
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hit me ur steam i'll gift it

tall notch
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wait fr?

spiral wadi
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ye

tall notch
spiral wadi
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should be sent

tall notch
spiral wadi
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np 👍

humble dagger
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Loving a Sister Blades attack build, Final Slice is really nice, I managed to beat ||Chronos|| first time I met him with it. That being said, what are good boons and aspects to go with it?

Haven’t unlocked aspects yet, as for boons I’ve been going with boons that has some kind of crowd control (Poseidon/Demeter Strike boons), Flash Fry is really fun too, Arctic Ring is probably my favorite.

tall notch
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Btw this channel is spoilers allowed

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edited to clarify what i meant, i worded it poorly the first time round lol

humble dagger
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Ah okay I was confused lol. Anyway yeah I did notice the delay but I never thought there was a cooldown, wave strike kinda sucks then

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Hestia because of scorch? What about Apollo? I kinda want to extend the range of attacks, although most of my damage came from the last hit due to Final Slice (and Flash Fry - love that boon for clearing rooms)

tall notch
tall notch
humble dagger
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Nice, gonna try Hestia next time. Any other good choices? I don’t really like Zeus or Aphrodite, seems kinda boring. Last time I won I went with Ice Strike, it seems like it’s decent?

median anvil
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ice strike has low % boost

humble dagger
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I’m hoping that one of these runs I can get both Final Slice and Sweeping Ambush

humble dagger
median anvil
rich belfry
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Guys
I cant beat the 24 fear with morrigan

Trying it with hera
Attack but had no luck

What should I use too

Hammers
Set up of the arcana ?
The fear itself maybe?

elfin forge
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try apollo attack

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fear setup is very important

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(swap strength with death)

rich belfry
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Ima try apollo

spiral wadi
elfin forge
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for morrigan eternity is good

elfin forge
oblique hazel
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also final slice is indeed crazy good

humble dagger
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In that case seems like Zeus/Hestia/Apollo are the best choices then

median anvil
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aphrodite has the highest % boost in the game

stable shale
median anvil
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it's more consistent to just take whatever you like instead of relying on rng

glass shell
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at minimum im net neutral, at most im positive by like 1-2 cards, and if i carded about those cards i would've taken them to begin with

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like oh wow i get unseen and eterntiy oooo

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worthless

stable shale
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Hmm I see. Make sense. I'm so used to the early struggle now it's just the 'normal' for me but I should try the setup that was shown in the message I replied to 👀

glass shell
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and literally have every arcana card.

restive bolt
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surface judgment is so fun but what am i supposed to do with no orig during prom and netting the upper right corner/boon rarity cards?

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i fr was running figurine in ephyra so thessaly would be less miserable

glass shell
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like there are 2 rewards left after prom if you can't kill him without origination you kinda deserve to die

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its only 50% which is additive with other %s

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in the grand scheme not a big deal

restive bolt
glass shell
restive bolt
glass shell
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thats the +40hp right? that should be on anyway

tall notch
glass bone
tall notch
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Maybe if buffing Mel's health would mess with the fresh file experience, they could make it an incantation or something

glass bone
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The other question, is if base Mel’s magic should also be partly moved to it from Persistence

glass shell
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and increase the damage of all enemies to account for that!

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surely nothing will go wrong

glass shell
tall notch
glass shell
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i still personally wouldn't use unseen for the extra magic that persistence currently gives but it exists

tall notch
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I would maybe click unseen sometimes if it worked while channeling

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on non-eos torches unseen is so bad I probably wouldn't click it for 2 grasp

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i had an unseen build i really liked but it got nerfed a bit too hard by torch rework

glass bone
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If it takes like a second to use OAttack on Torches, then Unseen during channeling should give infinite magic.

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That would be really worth 5 Grasp

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Of course, that does make Huntress strategies not so easy to do….

glass shell
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what do you think the odds are that unseen gets any changed at 1.0

glass bone
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I mean there were quite a few complaints and ideas thrown around with Unseen

tall notch
glass shell
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either it happens or doesn't 😔

lapis lantern
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any of u guys got a little screenie of ur acana set ups? 🙂

limpid isle
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at some point I’ll get a screenshot of my 31/30 lol

lapis lantern
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oh and maybe some fear choises for 16? 😄

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im am finding iHATE the one that removes boon picks and the onion one seems like its a nothing but i find it kinda annoying in stages 2 and 3 of the surface

glass bone
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Varies on weapon (Artemis, possibly Eos, Mel Axe), but for the most part, I use;
Sorceress, Furies, Persistence, Swift Runner, Death, Centaur, Origination, Lovers, Enchantress, Boatman, Queen, Fates, and Champions.

limpid isle
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the one that removes boon picks can be annoying, but honestly it’s probably better for getting better at the game since it makes you be more creative with your build.

the onion one is pretty free ngl

lapis lantern
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death is better than str if ur doing 32+ ? or u fimd u can alwas make ir dmg through build?

glass bone
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On Mel Axe, I switch Persistence for Huntress, on Eos I have considered switching Origination, Furies, or Boatman for Night (and Artificer for the 2 five cost switches), and on Artemis I have switched Boatman for Huntress + Artificer.

lapis lantern
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yeah im so sucky at making builds thh, lol i find withoiut the dmg from str sometimes im kind of struggling

glass bone
lapis lantern
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aha

glass bone
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Also Rivals 3/4, probably

lapis lantern
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yeah night is for when u take a aspect when u rotate Omegas right?

glass bone
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So… Eos (not required for UW, probably needed for very high fear Surface?) and Shiva (not required, but strongly recommended I think…)

lapis lantern
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also 🙂 there is % and flat dmg right? what is the method for it? %dmg for slow big hits and flat for the faster hits - like daggers

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just trying to improve my building, i still just end up with some kind of trash sets ups

glass bone
glass bone
lapis lantern
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i havent done any of them yet

glass bone
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Oh…

lapis lantern
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😄

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i hjave done 9 on up and down

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working on the 16 atm or trying

glass bone
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Well I would have said “Go look at all of the 50-62 Fear clear runs or their highest clear on Crossroads for some ideas”, but most 50+ (and all 62) have Max Rivals, or 3/4 Rivals.

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So that would be a huge spoiler.

lapis lantern
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yeah i have seen a ton of them already im not that bothered about seeing them really

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its more story etc i try to keep to myself

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i also was taking the one that Preps magic on rarity but now seeing a lot of peple on high fear not tkaing thta

glass bone
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Or Hubris the vow?

lapis lantern
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ive been trying to not copy just op builds cos im trying to learn how to do it myself like with the fear set ups cos i copied other peoples im kinda missing how to change them or etc

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yeayh hubris

tall notch
glass bone
lapis lantern
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i know a lot of it is just experience, and seeing whats what ig

limpid isle
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rather than trying to get the perfect build

tall notch
lapis lantern
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also a lot of my aspects arent lvld and that is making me miss a LOT of dmg

limpid isle
lapis lantern
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i had a nice set up l;ast time i did surface and had born again, but i neglerted to actually buff my mana pool and ran out of magik on long fights

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and died on typhooon cos tryign to normla attack him down

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i can get to typhoon or last area like 90% of the time

limpid isle
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i don’t use born gain on heavy magic builds bc I run out during longer boss fights

lapis lantern
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but a lot of the time my builds are missing that ommph

tall notch
limpid isle
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like for typhon on a moros build I ran out in the middle of the fight. was not fun

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I learned my lesson lmao

lapis lantern
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yeah haha now when i take it i get a lot of + max magik

glass bone
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The alternative boon you could look at is Flood Gain. Idk if it’ll get nerfed, but it has cycles where you can basically get infinite magic

lapis lantern
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flood gain is nic ey

glass bone
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The way it works is, all magic is automatically refilled if spent during the duration of the boon. Then after there is an 8 second cooldown before it is available again

tall notch
limpid isle
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^^^^^

lapis lantern
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im just trying to figure out good bases, then i can work out next stages (duos and leg etc)

glass bone
limpid isle
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one of the best mana regen is cardio gain ngl. especially for heavy magic builds

tall notch
glass bone
lapis lantern
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u want to stop on like 4 gods right?

glass bone
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Like I’ve used Cardio Gain for…. Anubis, Eos, Nyx, and several others.

tall notch
glass bone
lapis lantern
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okies yeah i have got 5 b4 on suface cos of the city and rerolling door? at least ithink thats what happend

glass bone
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Or alternatively the very rare circumstance where you have 3 gods in a shop, buy a boon to make 4, and get a 5th god for the miniboss.

lapis lantern
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my memory sucks so bad, i need to start takingt some notes really

tall notch
glass bone
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Oh… right. Sorry, I am pilled by high fear I guess

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Hasn’t happened that often to me as of late…

lapis lantern
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do u guys sort ur origination set up and then ur gain?

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or do u have a plan going in?

glass bone
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Depends on the weapon

lapis lantern
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yeah i guess its different for me a lot cos im still learning aspects and im only 16 fear

glass shell
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whatever i get is what i get. I prioritize the attack/special i want for that weapon

glass bone
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But for the most part, I try to aim for one or two key important boons (examples include Scorch Special on Nyx), then try to solve what problems there are with the build (need a gain for Nyx; Cardio Gain / Flood Gain work).

lapis lantern
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ahh ok

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there is actually so much to take into account when still learning how the dmg mechanics etc all work

glass bone
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A lot of weapons don’t really need gain boons (Mel Staff, Circe, Mel Coat, maybe Mel Torches, and all 3 Non-Morrigan Blades), so if I don’t need a gain, the next goal is Origination

limpid isle
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the only aspect I will prioritize the gain boon is moros because cardio gain is just so good with it

lapis lantern
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maybe i just go to magik heavy with everythiung

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only skull i generally just dont use omegas much

tall notch
lapis lantern
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yeah see, i feel like once u can build well ur almost ALWAYS doing a metric TON of dmg

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but sometimes (often) im not doing enough without it

tall notch
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alternatively you can just ignore buildmaking and gamble your way to victory bouldy

lapis lantern
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hmm reading back most of what i typed its just a lot of get more experience

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yeah i dont go into anything wanting like a FULL build or something i just want to understand some basic good practises to make good bases have a good pool etc

tall notch
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if you want a very basic tip thats personally gotten me far, you can't go wrong with Hera attack on most weapons

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or Hera special if it's one of those weapons that spam special

lapis lantern
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yeah i like hera

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i LOVE demi cast

glass bone
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Hera Special could work for Staffs and Blades

tall notch
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but its specifically if youre playing for shimmering, without that it's playable but kinda meh

lapis lantern
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i normally play shine when i play coat 🙂 it was my first typhoon clear

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what is the vow that makes the green thingys come outof enemies that u then have to pick up?

glass bone
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Return

lapis lantern
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wot would be agood vow to take instead of denial? fangs mb?

glass bone
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Denial to me is one of the easier vows

lapis lantern
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ok , wot about hubris? or u jujst counter that by taking max mahik?

glass bone
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Mainly because rerolls can help mitigate the problems of Denial, and can help you hunt for Tier 2 boons

toxic pebble
lapis lantern
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ic ty 🙂

glass bone
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Depends. As mentioned, several weapons really do not care about Omega moves / magic management

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And a lot of weapons can still manage the overpriming of Hubris

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Charon, Eos, Nyx, so many weapons are fine with managing magic

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For the few weapons that can’t (probably Moros and Shiva), Hecuba can be taken.

lapis lantern
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im using moros wich the attack is always omega and u use the special every time it runs out as wlel

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ahh

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wot is hecuba?

glass bone
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Oh. A familiar

lapis lantern
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ahh the doggy

glass bone
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I am guessing you need to go unlock her, which involves finding 3 familiars first, and leveling them up

lapis lantern
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nah i have all familars

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but apparet from frinos they are all really low levl

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i sort of forgot i could feed them treats lol

lapis lantern
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i only have the aspect of mel and pan for daggers? how have i missed the standard other aspect?

glass shell
surreal hazel
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I'm really in two minds about Power surge. It's technically balanced by the fact it's free bonus damage rather than requiring an extra payment, and the damage isn't massively far behind a lot of other things, and Ransom is right there

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I think the biggest problem with it is that it costs 1 boon to take

glass shell
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clearly we make it a duo boon replacing glorious disaster

surreal hazel
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or we break it like glorious disaster

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make power surge do 1 tick of binding circle like GD bolts do

spiral wadi
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it's kinda just bad like occasional magick usage and u get one tiny lightning strike per use

surreal hazel
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GD is genuinely a case of where they should absolutely make a new boon there, but I'd be genuinely sad to see it go

spiral wadi
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i'd just rather i don't have to charge twice

surreal hazel
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yeah, if it was just +30 cost on Ocast it would still be a bit oof expensive

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but lol charon epilepsy builds

glass shell
spiral wadi
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ig apollo cast gain compensates

glass shell
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hit the ENTIRE room with a bolt of lightning every time you use magick

surreal hazel
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Proto-Spirit Surge?

spiral wadi
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remember artemis zeus duo in h1

glass shell
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whatever it was called

surreal hazel
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Spirit surge was reworked into what we now call power surge

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there was an update that literally just changed its name

spiral wadi
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all foes would be p good actually

glass shell
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yeah but this way it won't have a 5s cd

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since it a duo boon

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and apollo can justify the entire room range

surreal hazel
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Apollo is the Embiggenator God, yes

glass shell
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prob needs tuning obviously but even a like 1 second CD hit everything for a bolt of lighting would go hard

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honestly main issue with old spirit surge was the flat10 magick condition

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if it was like "below 30%" or something it would go hard

surreal hazel
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clearly designed to work with ionic gain and static shock zeroing your mana bar

spiral wadi
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i see no point in icd tbh, lemme spam torch oatk in peace

surreal hazel
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but that was a terrible design direction and they then made gain boons scale with max mana in many cases so taking tonics is now actually relevant

glass shell
spiral wadi
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there's already fine line w no icd,,

glass shell
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yes, and thats limited by your magick supply.

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made redundant by the fact born gain exists yes

spiral wadi
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just don't run out

glass shell
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but it still is the balancing factor around it(and has since lost damage post EA launch)

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and its not full map range

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and its targeted

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there are lots of balancing levers here

surreal hazel
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Long cooldown and big damage makes more sense for something that wants you to occasionally empty your battery

glass shell
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lowkey something that just said "when you empty your magick nuke the room" would be funny

surreal hazel
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makes having zero mana not be broken while still making it good for just spending mana down to zero

glass shell
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but its extremely hard to like ACTUALLY have 0 magick

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plus priming out would be problematic

spiral wadi
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new zeus legendary: when u have 0 magick, 50% of the room instantly dies

surreal hazel
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yeah, maybe every time you jump below 20%, resetting when you go above 80%

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that would be a natural synergy with current ionic and lucid gains

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but... hrm, it would incentivise low mana caps, and have to work alongside priming

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maybe reset after regaining a fixed amount like 100

glass shell
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that was my rework idea i think, peopled pointed out it was a similar idea to old IA

surreal hazel
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IA?

spiral wadi
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deal damage based on ur primed magick

glass shell
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Power Surge is a relic of earlier design philosphy in hades 2, back when zeus and posiedon sprint used mana per hit allowing for rapid mana usage on any weapon at any time. It no longer belongs in the game without a heavy retooling. Even the aspect that do want it like torch don't care that much for a like 30 damage single target lighnting bolt.

Why not when you gain mana surrounding foes are struck by lightning for 20/40/60/80 damage(think glamour gain range) on a short 1~ second cooldown? This would require any gain boon, or the unseen arcana card? It even synergizes with his own gain by making the ionic spark offensive.

surreal hazel
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Incadndesent, right,

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I dunno why they changed it to need hitch (But not be networked by hitch?)

glass shell
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cause old IA was buns

spiral wadi
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it used to be enemies near u which was super finicky

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and that's kinda aphro's thing

surreal hazel
spiral wadi
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seems complicated

glass shell
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Old IA was

  • A duo boon without really any payoff
  • % of your magick restored, which you usually restore magick in lump sumps like born gain, making it very infrequent
  • or B very low magick restored but frequent like cardio gain
surreal hazel
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Carido remains the best choice

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funny as it is to see 2k damage spikes, you generally don't need big lumps on enemies already hitched

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it's also in a good duo place to put it because Fine Line and Controlled burn help you spend more

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often the issue is spending enough

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Other gain boons suffer this way too

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you really want to be spreading hitch as much as possible, spending mana and gaining it at the same time

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so tranquil is bleh, Glamour isn't nearly enough, big lump sum gains are ehhh

glass shell
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it makes sense with hera, but you'd need to be doing giga magick dump with high magick pools to be worth it - and fast too

surreal hazel
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Grisly is actually okay at this if you have the legendary, but really it's cardio all the way here

glass shell
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grisly is actually not that good cause IA has a cd still

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plus doesn't the legendary not double the magick or something

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idek

surreal hazel
surreal hazel
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it didn't tick on every frame of mana regen, but you did do more damage if you regenerated faster

glass shell
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oh yeah i remember now i saw speecord talk about that, its why demeter was the theroetical best magick or something

surreal hazel
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yeah, but that requires you to stop spreading hitch to cash out

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I tried it, it's not good

glass shell
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clearly the hidden tech is hera cast

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hera cast supernova stand still let demeter magick nuke

surreal hazel
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Hera cast with hostile environment, pretend you've got some kind of apollo-infused nexus sprint

surreal hazel
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Imagine that today

glass shell
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i loved nexus sprint

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i still think its lowkey underated

surreal hazel
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It is. The damage is easily overlooked

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But not the hitch spreader that it and old engagement ring were

lapis lantern
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so im about to use Moros aspect and was thinking of going hera attack and zues speical and then probly hestia cast? does that sound reasonable?

tall notch
lapis lantern
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ok and hopefully get cardio for my gain

tall notch
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i would probably go with a different cast but hestia is solid too, thats just preference

lapis lantern
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ok doke. ty 🙂

lapis lantern
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hmm i think ur righty on maybe not choosing hestia cardio gain doesnt really work well here cos it doesnt proc on omegas so i eventially run out of magik and have to use normal attack

viscid patrol
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So...
A lot of guys here say they've stopped relying on the Death Arcana and utilize Strength instead.

Any advice for someone who consistently fails to get past the first region when attempting thus?

glass bone
glass shell
glass bone
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Strength is better when you have practiced the base game enough with death to not lose DDs so easily

glass shell
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cause like if you are losing dd's that easily the answer is to keep using dd's until you find yourself NOT losing them easily. Strength like said above is for player who don't take that much needless damage

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personally i find strength is not worth it.... like at all casue if your winning you're winning anyway with an insurance policy nad if the run is going bad dd's help and have more bailouts than strength

glass bone
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And then there’s the whole thing with higher fears of Scars 3, Pain, 62, and Void, and Timer… and it’s a mess at higher fears, but point is; Strength > Death when you can already clear the game with few or none DDs lost

viscid patrol
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Ya, I still sometimes find myself losing DDs to the Unrivaled Region 1 Bosses.
More is going on than my eyes can keep up with, a lot of the time.

lapis lantern
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for circe stafff do u prioritise some sort of cast build?

surreal hazel
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Or at least enjoy bigger Furies coverage

wispy iron
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And when the stars align, I have Hestia, Aphrodite and Poseidon, taking Aphro's magick regen for the Weak apply, Poseidon / Aphro duo to inflict weak on anyone, and Hestia / Aphro duo to apply the cast once and win

lapis lantern
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sounds nice

surreal hazel
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Fire Away is pretty fun with circe though

wispy iron
bronze flax
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Any build suggestion for Aspect of Momus? Not sure what to do use for Attack or Special there 😅

spiral wadi
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momus, not moros

wispy iron
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You've seen nothing

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(Apologies for the wrongful ping then lad)

bronze flax
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I'm not the only one that confuses both of them, why do they have so similar names? bouldy

limpid isle
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i like focusing on omega cast for momus bc i don’t really like the aspect all that much for attack and special lmao

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i mean i get an attack anyway but i tend to focus on using omega cast for that aspect

flint widget
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if im playing momus i primarily focus on getting one specific hammer called mirrored thrasher cuz it basically cuts the o attack pulse cooldown by half

lapis lantern
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god i am getting stomped in last zone on 16 surface, i need to be better at dodging a lot of the attacks ><

median anvil
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those summit enemies do be hitting like a tank

lapis lantern
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i cna get there every time, but then i find im not doing enough dmg or dont have nuyff hp etc,

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some of their attacks are reallllly fats

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fast*

elfin forge
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they're kinda squishy though, right?

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except the midbosses, they can take a while, but the summit rooms are annoying pests that you can kind of explode through

cerulean panther
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Mini Spawn and Twins can be tanky. And Horrors (the mini Spawn of Typhon) have that nuts charge attack with the wild hitbox.

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Twins if only because they can spend half the fight underground.

lapis lantern
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been watching a few of boateds vids this evening. i dunno if its just his playstyle but it seems ive been basing all the builds i try to make are ALL complety omega focused. but so many of his and other peoples builds are more strike focused with mb some omega weaved in etcv

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i think ive been focusing too much on that

spiral wadi
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ye i think it's that this current patch happens to not favor omegas

balmy dew
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I've been using the Skulls a lot more recently, and just noticed in my most recent run- when I use the Attack, Melinoe rotates slightly. Is this intentional? It's a bit annoying, but I suppose I could get used to it.

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It is EXTREMELY slight- I only noticed because I got the Hammer for having the Shells return instantly.

rich belfry
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so hard

elfin forge
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crazy good, man

toxic pebble
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guys i forgot how fun aspect of moros is. just had a run where i demolished rivals chronos with a heroic heaven flourish and thermal dynamics

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it's almost like those are 2 of the strongest boons in the game on one of the strongest aspects in the game...

cerulean panther
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Have you seen the As Noted video on Olympus Aflame?

toxic pebble
cerulean panther
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Awesome.

wet pawn
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any tips for aspect of hel?

crisp rapids
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Poseidon and zeus work very well

tall notch
crisp rapids
tall notch
tall notch
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idk if that's a meta setup or anything but I like it

wet pawn
wet pawn
tall notch
wet pawn
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The splash takes like half of my screen I can't see anything in some rooms

tall notch
wet pawn
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I see, I'll try hestia and Hera later

tall notch
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Hestia + Zeus should actually work too in theory, their duo boon is really nice

wet pawn
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Yeah makes Zeus also inflict scorch

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I like hel I think it has potential but I haven't been able to get it to work on the surface, was able to kill chronos very fast with a Poseidon Hera build get ut doesn't feel enough for the surface

tall notch
wet pawn
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I prefer underworld too but I'll have to beat the surface for the story and I don't want the only way for me to consistently win the surface to be nergal when 1.0 drops lol

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I've beat surface with morrigan once and then like 7 time with nergal or something lol

tall notch
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I'm noticing a pattern of you only going for surface clears with hidden aspects

wet pawn
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I only use hidden aspects lol

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Most of the other aspects don't really feel like it for me

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Only Thanatos pretty much, the others don't really hit me

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Specially for the skull

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and I don't use torches at all

willow kraken
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is there a way to clear poison or is it just "if you get hit by this you lose a third of your health"

median anvil
willow kraken
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ah, that's helpful

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thank you

glass shell
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i thought it was infinite until you either lose a DD or use a fountain

tall notch
willow kraken
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I definitely lost it a couple times, but I don't know if I cleared it

glass shell
willow kraken
glass shell
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medea is very hit or miss for players. its objectively the strongest in the game but the throwing yourself at enemies to blow them up concept and playstyle is very divisive

austere trail
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yea I find it hard so I just launch the skulls

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pretty strong even when not using it "properly"

wet pawn
wet pawn
rich belfry
bronze flax
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Uhh how do you use the Black Coat? Aspect of Melinoë, but I have the general issue with all aspects (Haven't unlocked the hidden one) that I'm not sure how is the game plan, you just spam Omega attack or...

glass shell
# bronze flax Uhh how do you use the Black Coat? Aspect of Melinoë, but I have the general iss...

in a vacuum you just play it how you would any close range melee weapon, take high % and spam attack. Basically never use omegas but you can weave in some specials occasionally if you find it to unsafe to approach some mobs

Ideally you use posiedon and spam dash attacks as its the most effective way to deal damage with the weapon, as it hits three times per dash attack for triple splashes. Even more idealistically you hit the hammer that doubles your dash attack hits to be a total of 6 splashes

If you wanted to play more missile oriented i used to recommend posiedon, but the unseen patch killed this build by making the rockets incredibly inconsistent with splashes due to an internal cooldown. You could get 3 splashes out of 6 rockets. Or you could get 5. It all depends on missile pathing rng

tall notch
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Missile oriented Hestia is very good, especially on the NYX aspect

glass shell
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For Nyx its mel but without the dash attacks and better with % boons, as the nightspawn replicates effects(but doesn't hit the same enemy)

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Regular special spam is also really good on nyx for that reason like he says above

bronze flax
glass shell
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for Selene its rushing your hex as fast as possible and unlocking the godsent, Lance of Ares. You get this by having ares in your god pool, and taking either his attack/special so you can then unlock his t2 boon Grievous Blow so your skyfall now can deal double damage. I personally like using omega attack but omega special is good too.

You're basically spamming those move + skyfall as much as you can

glass shell
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nyx is base abilities only. Regular attack and regular special

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Shiva the ideal path forward is to take apollo and the Night Arcana card. The gameplan here is to omega special > sit in the explosion fightin with your regular attack or blocking w/ omega and then unleashing a cross map omega attack which is boosted in range thanks to apollo.

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Can get some insane numbers with this aspect

bronze flax
glass shell
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o his post had nyx in it so i got confused

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mb

bronze flax
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I can see why the confusion lol... Hmm, I am tempted with Aspect of Selene thanthink

oak ginkgo
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Anybody have any good builds for Pan Blades?

glass shell
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the steam depot build of patch 8

oak ginkgo
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The what now?

glass shell
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joke about downloading an older patch to play pan before it got nuked

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as now its a shadow of its former self and may as well pick something else or get one specific hammer

oak ginkgo
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I don’t remember pan blades getting nuked. I do remember the Hera cast getting changed, crippling my then current pan build

glass shell
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Pan has

  • Lost all of its best hammers, except trick knives which is mostly a universal win button for knives not even playing pan atp
  • Only splashes on half of its specials now due to posiedon having an internal cooldown for splashes -and pan specials all land around the same time so you only get about 5/10 splashes, if that
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  • Now requires you to stand still during the entire ospecial animation
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  • You can dash out of the above, but it cancels your remaining specials for no magick refund
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And that last one is a partial revert cause you used to be hard stunned in place after the initial change

oak ginkgo
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Huh

glass shell
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Those are all the pan related changes since the last major update

oak ginkgo
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Dang!

glass bone
# oak ginkgo Anybody have any good builds for Pan Blades?

The best Pan Blade build is the best generic build usable on any weapon. Personally I’d say to use a standard Blast build, with Hephaestus Attack / Special, Scorch Cast (for Hestia Heph duo), Blinding Rush (for Apollo Heph duo), and the one Heph boon that applies Glow.

edgy musk
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Sorry to intrude, but I am looking to get some advice. I have been bulldozing my way through this game and Hades 1 without ever understanding builds. Is there any pointers/directions someone could suggest? I think I've pretty much hit a plateau at this point

limpid isle
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so for builds, a lot of it can be determined by weapon and by duo.

for example, a status effect like scorch is really good on something that hits light and fast, like torches, because youre looking to inflict and stack as much scorch as you can. so you probably wouldn’t use it on like, mel axe, which is slow but hits heavy, because you’re not looking for raw damage output.

then, you look at duos. what duos does hestia have? burning desire makes it so the scorch effects don’t diminish, so you might get glamour gain to be able to easily set that up.

or inversely, you are using mel axe, which hits slow and heavy, so you want something that has high damage percent. something like aphrodite or even apollo would work (or even hera).

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at least, that’s my understanding

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you want to look at how the damage is happening, and what would be the most efficient way to apply said damage

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if im looking for a new build to try i always look at duos first, see what boons they need to work, then see what weapons those boons would be best on

glass bone
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But I do agree with what Jillian said, in that a lot of weapons play similarly, but with some differences.

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Ok, example; Mel Staff, the very first weapon of the game, has an interesting setup that is similar to other weapons, but is unique in its performance. It’s best build uses Zeus Attack, Aphrodite or Hera Special, and spams the combo of Dash Attack -> Special with Huntress on.

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It’s best hammers are Shimmering Moonshot, for an extra bit of percent damage and semi-duplicating the projectile for crowds, and Dual Moonshot, because it literally duplicates the Special, and its downside is ignored with the Aphro variant.

edgy musk
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@limpid isle I should have taken the damage speed into consideration; thanks for pointing that out.

limpid isle
# edgy musk <@191384706095251457> I should have taken the damage speed into consideration; t...

yeah np! a lot of times in builds you want to like. focus on making one thing very strong, which is just sort of general roguelike logic.

like let’s say you get the static boon from zeus, the one that enables chain lightning. not only do you want to to be on a fast weapon (more hits = more lightning), but if you’re wanting that to be a solid damage source you also need to upgrade the chain lightning with other zeus boons (and if you have something with blitz already, you can get arc flash which makes the blitz activate as soon as the chain lightning hits it).

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(and then you look at duos and oh hephaestus duo with zeus makes it so chain lightning can bounce of you, effectively allowing you to use the chain lightning with isolate enemies/bosses. it also gets more damage per bounce. so you get a heph boon that’s required, you get the duo, and you get extra bounces zeus boon, and suddenly that damage is adding up)

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it’s mainly just like. roguelike logic of what things upgrade and synergize with what

willow kraken
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are hestia and zeus the only ones that can make your cast ranged?

limpid isle
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hades as well

willow kraken
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also are those two boons exclusive with each other? can you get both?

limpid isle
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i think the zeus and hestia are non compatible but im actually not sure about that. i think the hades one works with either though

willow kraken
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wiki says the hades one doesn't work with glowing coal, lightning lance, local climate, or hostile environment

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I know glowing coal is the hestia fireball

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also while trying to look that up I found tipsy shot from Dionysus also works

limpid isle
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ah

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i remember there being something with hestia when i had hades cast but maybe i just had a hestia cast and didnt remember lol

willow kraken
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tipsy shot does a lot of damage. Too bad I don't think you can count on it, and also it can only happen after polyphemus which is when I actually want an extra ranged attack on a surface run

cerulean panther
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Casts being such crowd control has made Tipsy Shot pretty niche.

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And using your Cast as an instant Curse is useful too, the delay before it lands is really noticeable.

stable shale
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What do you guys think aspect of Anubis works well with ?

olive sphinx
wet pawn
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what about the rest of the build for anubis?

median anvil
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ospecial has great base damage, add something like aphro or hera on it for big stocks 🤑

wet pawn
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I was thinking about going demeter to get freezer burn

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see how that works out

median anvil
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not relying on duos is more consistent but yes you can definitely do that and it will work very well too

wet pawn
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yeah duos are not that reliable but worth a shot specially when I have 3 demeter boons right in front of me lol

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got the duo first try lol

wet pawn
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can freezer burn appear if I already have the hestia aphro duo?

stable shale
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I had Hera / Hestia duo too so you can have multiple duo for sure

wet pawn
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well yeah but freezer burn and the hestia aphro duo are kinda opposite so idk if I can get both

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since the demeter one removes the scorch and the aphro one makes it last forever

stable shale
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I think yes what apho / Hestia does is just block the number from going down.

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But if you use freeze it should just 200% that number

wet pawn
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yeah nah can't beat the surface with this

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I'll just stick to morrigan and nergal for surface everything else feels underwelming

median anvil
lapis lantern
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day 2 of f16 attemtps 🙁 i would prefer it if i was getting dead in an earlier zone instead of half way through the last. Maybe i should be taking DD at this stage now and forgoeing str

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then i really have to do well in my building tho cos ill need the doomage

glass shell
lapis lantern
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yeah i guess

glass shell
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its a 20% global damage boost. That 20% is additive with literally anything else you are bringing for the most part

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Furies is 30%, if you are fighting in your cast at all thats more damage than strength

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and additive with str, so its total 50%

lapis lantern
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yteah i was just lookijng at it right now and thinking excactly whaty u said. i thought it was more like origination ll

glass shell
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Origination is the exact same thing

lapis lantern
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origi is 50% dmg tho

glass shell
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50% damage is a lot, but depending on the build you can get a lot of % damage

lapis lantern
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and u get it a lot gennerally withouit trying

glass shell
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making that 50% less useful than you would think

lapis lantern
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i think the str not being a big as deal as i thought might be very relevant

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i can get to typhoon l,ike 80%-90% of the time

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or at least the last zone

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i see some fiddinlg people to do to get athenas DD instead

glass shell
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Athena DDs. Toula gives another DD. Circe can double toulas dd to give you two etc

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echo refills your dds in underworld

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lots of options for dds, not as many for str players

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anyway tldr str is for if you are winning without finding yourself losing that many dds

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i'd personally focus more on your build quality and own performance than changing up the arcana, cause 16 shouldn't be that much of a challenge comparatively.

median anvil
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the 20% from strength is important ONLY if you're running an olympian damage build like blitz or scorch and even then yeah it's outclassed by furies and origination

glass shell
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str revert at 1.0 🙏

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(combined with a DD buff at 1.0 to 50% healing)

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surely

median anvil
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the usage rate tanked with the scars cheeses being removed

glass shell
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yeah but i want a dd buff too 😭

median anvil
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and frankly most casuals are scared of taking of death

glass shell
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i used str cause it was just objectively better even without scars. now its just not worth using at all for the most part

lapis lantern
glass shell
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now dd's with all the other options its just objectively correct to take unless you are just a god and nohit

median anvil
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what if they keep damage resistance on 40% but increase damage dealt to +25%

lapis lantern
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i WAS provbaly gonna take zues now tho cos i got the Hel skull for my next try

glass shell
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doesn't move the needle imo

glass shell
lapis lantern
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ahh ok

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i was thinking maybe zues attack + static and hera special for opening omega and hestia cast then all the nice duos freom those guys?

glass shell
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hel skull does like 20 damage on its attack. you are NOT popping blitz any time soon bro

olive sphinx
lapis lantern
lapis lantern
olive sphinx
bronze flax
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So, uhhh.... How does the Sprouted bit of Persephone skull work? I'm confused because I have sources of Olimpian damage like Zeus Cast or Poseidon dash but it doesn't seem to increase Omega Special distance too much

olive sphinx
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The more full it is the longer your o special will be

bronze flax
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Ohhh, I was wondering what was that... So it's, like, an amount of damage you make with Olimpian damage?

olive sphinx
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Yeah

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You'll see it in action when you start a run and pay attention to it

bronze flax
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Because in that case, I could see something like using Heph for it then

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Heph dash, maybe on attack too

olive sphinx
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Ehhh idk about that haha

bronze flax
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That also explains why Beach Ball also made it way more consistent

glass shell
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let me find the note

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Aspect of Persephone's Sprouted Ospecial can travel for up to 2 seconds. Max Sprouted charge is reached after dealing 2000 olympian damage, or 0.001 seconds per point of olympian damage

bronze flax
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Yeah, I'll need more "burst" damage options of Olympian damage for Persephone then thanthink

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Beach Ball was neat, I'll keep that one in mind lol

lapis lantern
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ok so did UW 16 first go after swapping to dd lol

limpid isle
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gg!

lapis lantern
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didnt even get the build completed due to bad rng/me being dumb

median anvil
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hephaestus blasts need highrolling level and rarity so it's inconsistent

bronze flax
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Wait, does Scorch count?

median anvil
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scorch is olympian damage yes

tall notch
median anvil
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base chronos takes a solid 3 seconds to swing his scythe bro

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even worse if you have freeze or gust

glass shell
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literally chronos

tall notch
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frenzy 0 chronos be like

olive sphinx
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frenzy is 100% one of the hardest fears for anyone new

glass shell
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it sure is. but its easy to adapt to

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once you're in, you're in. its not some inconsistent bs like fangs

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it just becomes the base game feature

rich belfry
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whats a good set of the arcana for hel ?

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and also finally trying shiva , what works with it well ? i didnt try the aspect yet so

lapis lantern
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just giving up doesnt reset seed right?

median anvil
lapis lantern
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ok

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i should be close to the upgrade :/

median anvil
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seed reset is sooo good

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almost as good as greatest gift of gaia

tall notch
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I still don't have seed reset because i play so little surface

glass shell
median anvil
lapis lantern
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i wish there was a way to track it tbh lol im not sure how many if done of either side lol

glass shell
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or whatever he's called

lapis lantern
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the little shade dude?

glass shell
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yes, the one that shows you your run history

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you could then see how many victories you have on surface

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and underworld

lapis lantern
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u know the little titles u get sometimes does the one that says "ten times" mean the 10th time u cleared it?

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is there somewhrre to see what the individual titles mean

glass shell
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not ingame

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but theres a list somewhere

lapis lantern
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ok, ill go google 🙂 man I wish u could filter this list ><

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but yeah i just got a couple left of surace clears too do

bronze flax
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Heph on attack with Seismic Salvo is so good for this aspect

olive sphinx
toxic pebble
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i miss the pre-nerf persephone, i loved having stupid amounts of pom levels

glass shell
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the worst part is

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it was a bugfix and a buff

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the intended numbers were worse than they are now

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it was like 80% level 0

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but due to a bug it was equal 1/6 chances for all

toxic pebble
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what is it now? i don't know the specific chances

glass shell
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let me get the pasta 😔

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    Current Persephone numbers
        50%  / 16% /14% /12%/ 6% / 2%
        Lvl 0/    2   /  3   /   4 /   5   / 6
toxic pebble
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they should just shift all of that by 1 level, so it's 50% for lvl.2, 16% for lvl.3, etc

glass shell
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exactly my pov

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or at minimum equalize the level 0/level 2

toxic pebble
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i know that's very strong, but i like copious power levels

glass shell
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like 36/30/14/12/6/2 isn't even that egregious

glass shell
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and not every boon HAS poms

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and reminder that its not even stated as a CHANCE in the aspect description

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Not "Can" start with higher levels. Not "Random from 0-6". They START with higher levels with a maximum of +6

toxic pebble
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the bigger thing is that persephone is a good defensive aspect since the omega special is super safe, so they prob don't want it dealing a bunch of damage on top of that

olive sphinx
glass shell
wet pawn
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man eris needs a nerf her last phase deals too much dps

toxic pebble
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now let's not forget the biggest miscommunication:

"Any healing effects are reduced..."

toxic pebble
wet pawn
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reduse the last phase buff from 100% to like 50% she has attacks that stunlock you and intantly take a death defiance thats a bit too much

glass shell
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i assume you're talking about regular eris right?

toxic pebble
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the safest place to be in the eris fight is actually directly on top of her. whenever she's starting to attack, just dash behind her and it will never hit you, since all of her attacks face forward

glass shell
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try this next time : go to the bottom right of the map near the pillar. Shes near forced to either

  • Spawn directly next to you, so you can kill her before she shoots
  • Spawn on the other side of the map but the pillar is blocking her LOS forcing her to walk up to you, so you can time to kill her properly
  • Spawn on the other side of the map, and get forced to fly up and do #1 instead of walking
wet pawn
glass shell
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there are only specific places that she can land

wet pawn
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its probably a me issue but I feel like the surface has to be nerfed or the underoworld and most aspects have to be buffed because the surface doesn't feel balanced, an aspect or build that I've used to almost insta kill chronos cant get me past prometeus on the surface for example, I feel like 1.0 needs great amount of balancing

uneven palm
glass shell
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is that the secret tech

glass shell
uneven palm
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Yuppers Surface used to be waaay worse

wet pawn
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yeah but the underworld still feels too weak in comparison

glass shell
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turn on rivals and feel the script flip xdd

wet pawn
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and to me most aspects

glass shell
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but yeah eris ultimately is a noob stomper

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the moment you understand what to do with her she is probably the easiest boss in the game

uneven palm
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The key for the surface (outside of learning enemies and bosses like usual) is absolutely focus on damage in Ephyra. You’ve gotta get online there

median anvil
glass shell
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literally just dash behind her and know her logic and she is abused heavily

wet pawn
glass shell
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polyphemus is a joke of a boss

prom is ultimately the git gud or die trying boss, outside of the memory game which some people have issues with accessibility wise but i tested it at frenzy 0 and it has so much time to cross each zone its hard to really justify a nerf there

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typhon is another joke of a boss that had such a massive flaw they had to retroactively go back and add a new attack/mechanic to counter it cause hugging chin was to effective

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ultimately surfaces hardest parts were the mobs + prometheus

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and the mobs got nuked in the patch

wet pawn
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polyphemos is very easy yes but thats it

willow kraken
glass shell
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the flames always spawn from top right

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that means it takes the longest to reach the bottom left

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you have enough time to cross the memory game cross map without sprint at frenzy 0

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one dash either at the end or start, not even sprinting, gets you to safety

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if you're starting at the topright of the map you'll get burned like instantly cause the flames spawn there

willow kraken
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I mean, maybe I'm just slow, but I had a top safe, bottom safe, top safe, and I definitely wasn't good enough to do it

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I'll try staying farther down

glass shell
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plus theres the numerous other things such as but not limited to
Hex armor tanking it: armor prevents overflow damage so hex in the middle of the game if you feel unsafe to tank the 150 damage
Dodge tanking it, we love gambling
Literally dodging through it via iframes or messenger cast etc

median anvil
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unless I'm misremembering

glass shell
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it can happen with a two safer i believe

lapis lantern
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name the slots top mid bot or something and say it outloud 🙂 that fixed me not being able to remember 😄

uneven palm
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Also the trailing edges of the flames are all show and don’t damage you so you can jump into them after they pass if you need more time somehow. Or just dash into the leading edge

median anvil
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yeah there isn't a single top bottom top combination here

willow kraken
median anvil
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unless you count the middle 1,3 into 3 into 1

willow kraken
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I remember being very frustrated because I needed that feather real bad

lapis lantern
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i have 100% had to run from tyhe top to the bottom tho?

median anvil
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oh wait these are where the fire will be
nevermind it says safe spots top left

lapis lantern
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😄

median anvil
lapis lantern
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yeah fair

willow kraken
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it seems to say that you can't have double fire twice in a row, which is definitely not what my memory says

bronze flax
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I just unlocked the Aspect of Supay, are you telling me it basically plays by itself? Funny!

surreal hazel
median anvil
lapis lantern
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so i was looking at my keepsakes and my Onion now has a picture of Dora over it? is that cos i got max affinity with her?

glass shell
lapis lantern
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oh its just a picture ? 😄

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ill take it

limpid isle
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was the same in h1 as far as i remember

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max bond = lil chibi

lapis lantern
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still plugging away at my 12 surface :/

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i feel like im actually doling worse trying to focus on making builds lol

uneven palm
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What fear are you taking for 12? Some are much worse than others

limpid isle
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timer is free, make sure you’re always taking at least one timer vow

lapis lantern
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yeah i got 2 timers

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time isnt an issue at all

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sec was just failing on typhhon lol ill screenie my fear

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i cant drag a jpeg to chat? 🙁

elfin forge
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nope, you gotta link

lapis lantern
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blah

elfin forge
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post in another discord and then copy link

lapis lantern
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hmm lol

spiral wadi
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hordes is only 1 point right, i'd trade that for 1 point of hubris

lapis lantern
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i fkn hate hubris lol 🙁 but i guess its a lot easier to deal with

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this is my arcana

spiral wadi
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1 point of hubris really isn't gonna mess w ur magick tbh

elfin forge
spiral wadi
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what weapon u using

lapis lantern
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oh hubris is ok, i was thinking denial

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im just using the nightly weapon tbh

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im about to start a run with pan

spiral wadi
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gotchu, ye should be alright

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how many points is debt again

lapis lantern
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debt is one

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i dont really mind debt tbh

spiral wadi
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ye fair, i just recall money being weirdly scarce on surface even with quick buck relative to underworld

limpid isle
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i hate debt

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id rather do a different one than choose that

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or at least one level max

glass shell
lapis lantern
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😄

lapis lantern
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finally done it !

limpid isle
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gg!

uneven palm
#

Debt and Forfeit are kinda rough ones esp on the surface IMO. You get crazy strong throwing money at Hermes.

limpid isle
#

eh forfeit is manageable

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two levels of debt is crazy 😭

limpid isle
lapis lantern
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yeah forfit on surface is rough sometimes

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especially on the boats ><

tall notch
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Forfeit shouldn't be clicked below 50 fear that vow is awful

lapis lantern
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i got the 12 with pan with heph attack and special

limpid isle
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forfeit is fine if you don’t have debt. like yeah you miss one, but then ephyra is really good for making builds

lapis lantern
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i just SUCK so hard at making builds lol

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like ive been watching some vids of boated etc, and his knowledge of boons and what leads into what is just complete

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i understand these guys dont upload their vids where they get sweet fa tho

limpid isle
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1 level of fangs is not bad at all imo

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spices it up but isn’t too difficult

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i casually play with fangs on

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and also shadow servant lol

lapis lantern
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i played with 1 shadow for a while but it just killed me in the last zone of surface lol

spiral wadi
#

bone hydra shadow servants are the worst actually

limpid isle
#

oh yeah on the surface it can be brutal sometimes

lapis lantern
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im always trying to find a stream with players that talk about thought process when choosing boons etc, but they talk a lot of nonsnese, some dude talking about buying a fridge atm

spiral wadi
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gotta buy a fridge to win game

limpid isle
#

imo having knowledge of boons required for duos helps a lot

lapis lantern
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yeah i spend a lot of time looking at the boon list etc, but if i dont get kinda what im looking for i donmt know really how to make a "backup build" u know?

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so i end up withj some bricked thing or no cores etc

spiral wadi
#

tbh i find just playing runs a lot over and over will eventually get u to learn adaptive boon building

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some runs will suck but some runs will stick out as "ok that worked better than i thought"

lapis lantern
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i got 24 and 32 to do now >< i feel like thats gonna be away a way

spiral wadi
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32 clear before 1.0...

limpid isle
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I either did my 32 clear on eris or prometheus i cannot remember

limpid isle
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or play some chaos trials (not the random ones), they set up builds for you there, and then you can use that in ur actual runs and modify to see what you like

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i still need to do a night bloom/charm/sun worshipper build

elfin forge
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I didn't think 32 was too much of a step up and I think with rivals now it shouldn't be too bad?

limpid isle
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that’s the one build I haven’t done that im very interested in

elfin forge
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like just go straight into it, and play as you normally do, and see what happens

limpid isle
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ehhh I mean if you struggle with putting together builds, you might want more practice before you throw yourself in.

but 32, while definitely more, isn’t necessarily awful.

elfin forge
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I think it might be better to just rely on your instincts. You have at least some knowledge of gods and boons somewhere in you

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you might not know all the duos but you do remember that apollo's attack felt really good that one time

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core boons really can take you most of the way there

limpid isle
#

very true actually yeah. your runs don’t need to be perfect with perfect builds or anything like that

summer cipher
#

Okay is it just me, or does Hestia's legendary boon feel kinda underwhelming?

elfin forge
#

right on the money, there

spiral wadi
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me when i delete a projectile every 4 seconds when i can just get gust

glass shell
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everyone complained about it so much they eventually said "fine" and just swapped the sprint and legendary with minor tweaks

spiral wadi
#

projectile deletion doesn't even work on typhon it's so ass

glass shell
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and it somehow ended up worse in both directions

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the legendary destroys less projectiles than the old sprint does

elfin forge
#

they should make a boss that's a projectile to make it worth it

glass shell
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and it has a ICD for applying scorch

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for some reason

limpid isle
#

the old sprint used to be so nice against eris

glass shell
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and the use cases ended there for the most part

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but it was vaguely useful.

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HONESTLY rivals scylla wouldv'e been return of the king for hestia sprint

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invalidate that entire fight pls sgg i beg

summer cipher
#

Yeah, like am I just bad at dodging or ir Rivals Scylla almost just a bullet hell

spiral wadi
#

it is pretty much a bullet hell ye

elfin forge
#

I wonder what I would do to "fix" it

spiral wadi
#

at least demeter gust still exists

elfin forge
#

maybe Charyb's tentacles shoot 1 by 1, going clockwise

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and when it reaches the middle then she does the big shot

limpid isle
#

just make it cheeseable with morph

glass shell
spiral wadi
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if they just make visual clarity better the fight will be instantly better

elfin forge
#

yeah

spiral wadi
limpid isle
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oh??

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wtf why

spiral wadi
#

spaghetti

glass shell
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idk ballpark changes off my dome that i think would be for the better

  • Shift the explosive barrels on the right of jetty to the left behind the fountains. After they blow up the stun fountains stop working as they have no ammo to shoot basically
  • Charybdis stops attacking if all tentacles are killed in phase 1 until phase 2
  • Tentacles do not respawn
  • Guarantee charybdis featured artist which makes him do attacks again, either spitting out the homing projectiles, or making tentacles spawn> do the sweep aoe attack, or they spawn and shoot one attack before going underneath
glass shell
elfin forge
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the world if the water jets didn't work

glass shell
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intended because they can't be killed during phase 1 and they don't want to deal with bugs that prob happened before then probably

spiral wadi
#

ah fair

glass shell
elfin forge
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it just feels really janky to get stunlocked there

glass shell
#

i do not respect the giga aoe hell they made

elfin forge
#

like just damage me and let me get out bro

glass shell
spiral wadi
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it's kinda dumb too cuz if u have range for dmg then u can still rush drummer, it just specifically targets melee weapons

glass shell
#

maybe replace the stun jets with a tentacle slam or something

spiral wadi
#

she also already has a combo breaker for self circle i don't see why jets are necessary

elfin forge
#

morrigan on that fight is just kinda weird

spiral wadi
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tru

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it's also kinda why i just stopped playing mel axe after trying it on high fear for a couple days, i refuse to play a run that actively punishes me for playing melee

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at least with mel flames i'm way more mobile

elfin forge
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how do you even do mel axe chronos p3

spiral wadi
#

hopes and dreams idk

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romantic spark spec

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or dash attack ig

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maybe they can make heartthrobs good

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o btw why does axe spec do literally no damage

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no range, no damage, what r u supposed to do with it

elfin forge
#

I guess it's meant to be a multi-hit

spiral wadi
#

ig, i just find like compared to how crazy attack scales to %, special just can't keep up it's actually weird

elfin forge
#

I mean on mel axe you have power on attack

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power on special would be wild probably

spiral wadi
#

mhm, idk like intuitively attack big swipe -> more aoe, special low range -> more single damage, so my brain goes "oh there's one enemy left i'll just poke it with special" and it just don't

#

unfortunately attack is big swipe and big damage while special gets nothing

elfin forge
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I think special is a bit less commitment than combo 1

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dash attack->special can sorta be a thing

spiral wadi
#

prob ye

elfin forge
#

special doesn't really have any aspects to help it out though

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on Mel, attack is 75 - 115 - 195, while special is still 3x20

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dash attack is also 75, so it's just kind of sad

spiral wadi
#

scuffed

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ig u can put scorch on it

elfin forge
#

how do waves work on it

spiral wadi
#

hm i'd have to test that

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i think splash icd is targeted on axe to not exist?

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ig u'd put lightning cast with froth t2 on spec

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and aim for killer current

elfin forge
#

it's one wave per tick

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so 3 waves per special

spiral wadi
#

nice so no icd

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epic flourish is 50 dmg so basically 150 extra aoe

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why play ares wounds when u can just splash 😎👍

limpid isle
#

what does icd stand for again

elfin forge
#

internal cooldown

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I think

limpid isle
#

gotcha thank you

spiral wadi
#

hmm i might actually try axe at high fear again w poseidon start and see where it goes

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prob nowhere but im curious

elfin forge
#

almost certainly nowhere lol

#

still too slow and stubby

spiral wadi
#

huh wtf axe splash has way more range on atk

elfin forge
#

yeah it scales based on the move

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it's almost comical

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doing it on oattack is weird and funny

spiral wadi
#

i think the most disgusting part is that i feel like splash atk can work

limpid isle
#

what fear r u on?

spiral wadi
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was 53, everything except pain and scars (and void)

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gonna turn off forfeit to make it easier to see

limpid isle
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gotcha

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interesting that it can work, you wouldn’t think it would

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oattack specifically?

spiral wadi
#

uhh both atk and oatk

limpid isle
#

hm

lapis lantern
#

I guess now im trying to learn 32s i need to start working on the vow bosses? so i can learn with only Vow turned on while learning i suppose

limpid isle
#

oh yeah ur screenshot only had 1 unlocked right

lapis lantern
#

yy

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i havent done any of them ><

elfin forge
#

rivals 2 or 3 is probably where I would go

lapis lantern
#

they look hard af

limpid isle
#

ehhhhh

elfin forge
#

Rivals 4 makes things really really hard

limpid isle
#

ngl rivals 4 typhon isn’t that much worse

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chronos though, yeah

elfin forge
#

I still think it's really hard lol

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specifically phase 3 where he's just absolutely spamming attacks

limpid isle
#

I guess when you do it in combination with frenzy yeah

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i didn’t so I didn’t think it was that bad

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granted it’s definitely still harder

last bough
#

Can someone please give me the link to the website that records all the highest known fear clears and their builds? Thank you!

elfin forge
last bough
spiral wadi
#

ok psychic whirlwind with poseidon attack actually goes really hard

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it def needs support dps, i happened to get scorch cast burning desire island getaway lmao

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but the actual omega attacking w/ psychic rips

glass bone
spiral wadi
#

mel axe

glass bone
#

I see. Would Thanatos OAttack hit the ICD?

spiral wadi
#

idk i don't know the icd numbers

lapis lantern
#

wow that website is awesome !

spiral wadi
glass bone
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Wiki claims it is 0.15 second delay for most things, except for Torch Omega Attack, which is 0.3 second delay

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Now idk if this is accurate. But it is a number.

spiral wadi
#

i suddenly have a new urge to play mel axe 62

spiral wadi
maiden hound
#

rivals 4 typhon and normal typhon... feel like the main difference is how much typhon punishes you for trying to attack at the same time as he

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should I just play no frenzy rivals to get familiar with their patterns? worried that getting used to what they do without the vow will shortsight me of important timings (kinda like how you don't just do the easiest difficulty of rhythm games because there's nothing to feel)

glass bone
#

I learned Rival Chronos and the other UW Rival fights with Frenzy 2 always on. Haven’t touched surface much though

viscid patrol
#

Okay, how the heck do you get past Eris with the Moonstone Axe?

mint mauve
uneven palm
#

Stick to her like glue and keep dashing through her (do this with any aspect). She turns slowly especially after she commits to an attack. Plenty of time to smack her

mint mauve
#

so how does one inflict polyphemus stomach ache?

uneven palm
#

Some of Poly’s sheep damage him

desert shell
#

Which weapon is best to seek aphro legendary on?

uneven palm
#

Kinda doesn’t matter since it’s just a buncha random statuses so everything benefits. Maybe Persephone so any flat damage statuses fill the Sprouted bar?

cunning furnace
maiden hound
#

looks fine, just a matter of learning his ins and outs

cunning furnace
#

i also managed to max out path of stars with 3 to spare this run

oblique hazel
#

aaaaaaaa i hate trying to do hex runs so muchhh sobandroid resetting to try and get a specific hex+upgrade combo has to be the most tedious process in the game

spiral wadi
#

yea it's a really bad idea to actually plan for a hex in ur build

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tends to be better to just plan for standard god builds, and see what kinda hex u happen to get later

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(or just avoid it altogether cuz trying to get a godsent on a non-full moon is ass and trash)

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kinda why i also hate that selene is able to be a first room reward, like i really don't want a non-rerollable hex that probably won't even do anything

median anvil
#

i only take hexes on big magick builds

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charon 🔥 💯

spiral wadi
#

tru,,

surreal hazel
#

Sometimes hexes can really steal the show, but there's too much RNG to plan for it before the run starts

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in particular the disparity between the four possible Paths and what gets put in each slot

maiden hound
#

the most reliable a hex has been for me would be the following, any other instance I just haven't seen the value:

wolf howl + tranquil gain (tranquil gain charges you while midair for wolf howl)
moon water with panacaea upgrade (the one that heals all dmg you took for the last 2 seconds)
lunar ray with any bearing upgrade (and no epics) (it's armor while casting, which can be effectively one time invincibility. very good when the mana threshold is 30 and can still have growth)

median anvil
#

dark side alone is very good in any magick build

maiden hound
#

I guess the invincibility's alright... the damage doesn't feel good though

surreal hazel
#

it is great to just nope out of certain boss combos though

maiden hound
#

true. guess that depends on the time, then

surreal hazel
#

winner's circle and sanctity is kinda good too

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nothing on its former glory, but still nice

median anvil
surreal hazel
#

Sometimes splendor or resonance really pops off too

spiral wadi
median anvil
#

time increasing ones are detrimental without godsent cause darkside is usually a dps down

spiral wadi
#

hm, ig that makes sense

median anvil
#

is there a way to make a youtube link start at a specific time on the video from phone?

glass shell
#

add &t= at the end of the link with how many seconds you want to play into it. 2 minutes is 120 etc

median anvil
#

ooo

#

so this specific room was one of the worst things I've ever seen and dark side helped a lot

glass shell
#

we love auto watchers

willow kraken
#

If I put Zeus attack on medea, is it possible to trigger multiple blitzs on one boom?

median anvil
willow kraken
#

It only counts as one hit?

#

If I have 4 skulls loaded

median anvil
#

i think all the skulls explodes simultaneously?

glass shell
#

the animation of the first blitz's lightning bolt needs to finish before you can blitz again

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so even if you had 100000 medea attacks loaded you only get 1 blitz

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and actually you wouldn't even get the blitz in the first place just apply it

uneven palm
median anvil
spiral wadi
#

icarus single handedly turning on hordes 5

formal pulsar
#

Icarus rooms are just nuts. It feels like there is 6 waves of enemies at the same time.

wheat thistle
#

If I am using strength with Scar 3- at the final area of Uw/Surface which keepsake should I use? Is taking a DD (like Luckier Tooth) a good choice?

glass shell
#

onion is decent if you are lacking hp. tooth/pin will disable your strenght

wheat thistle
#

I see- but if Onion is already used in previous areas?

spiral wadi
#

i find if ur at low hp then pick up tooth, otherwise bring onion

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low hp means u won't lose as much effective hp

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if u get a centaur heart room reward, u might consider purposefully getting hit to proc tooth, reactivate strength, then picking up the heart for the most effective hp value

#

if ur at high hp entering final region then i usually like going athena and getting either defensive posture or divine dash, offensive boons kinda suck (ironically on strength but it's worse on death)

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it's also common to just run stalwart on strength cuz 20% dmg buff isn't gonna be doing anything for u anyway

#

all this to say on scars 3 strength is objectively worse but it's also fun but also bad

wheat thistle
wheat thistle
spiral wadi
#

ye, as long as ur not playing a magick based aspect (or have been really good w magick management, somehow) then stalwart is free