h2-builds-and-combat

[spiral wadi]

blitz scorch is a powerful combo, even more with froth

blitz scorch -> more scorch buildup
blitz froth -> stronger lightning power
scorch froth -> steam

[civic ocean]

Steam is big dmg right

[uneven palm]

Poseidon should proc multiple times on Anubis attack. If it isn’t, update your game

[glass bone]

Wiki says 100 damage per second (20 per 0.2)

[spiral wadi]

ye 100 dmg/sec on top of your 100 scorch/sec (at base)

and if u have froth cast it just keeps froth on

[gray narwhal]

I'm at the peak now, I have 3 Death Defiances left, and I'm at Nightmare 16. What trinket should I go for? Bones? Tooth? Evil Eye?

[glass bone]

Is Evil Eye set to Typhon?

[gray narwhal]

Yes

[glass bone]

Hmmmmmmm… I feel like the right play is Knuckle Bones for safety, and Evil Eye for pure damage against Typhon if that’s your struggle point. Though it wouldn’t help for the 2 minibosses… so if the minibosses are also a struggle, Tooth can work

I feel like of these, Knuckle Bones should probably be best.

Since I imagine you have a strong enough build to not need Evil Eye.

[gray narwhal]

Yeah I tend to die a lot, but I have a lot of them left, so I think bones might be good.

I have big scythe and Lunar Ray, and doing decently against the others

[upper rapids]

Pin for 10 seconds of free damage maybe ?

[glass bone]

That too. But I also don’t know if all of their keepsakes are maximized.

[upper rapids]

True

[uneven palm]

Fang? That’s damage in every room and nearly as much as eye by the end

[glass bone]

Since it wasn’t mentioned, I assume it’s not. Though to be fair, Pin’s use isn’t typically the health. I think I used a Rank 1 Pin for 50 Fear.

And it certainly worked.

[gray narwhal]

Which one is Pin? And yes my keepsakes are mostly maxed

[glass bone]

Moros’s Keepsake

[gray narwhal]

Ahh. Also rip I just lost a Death because of a big swarm of scrubs.

[glass bone]

You can do it!

[upper rapids]

so youve 2 lost dds?

athena mayhaps restore the dds free win?

wait no lost 1

[gray narwhal]

I couldn't. I lost the rest against the twins, then got beat down by the others.

I already did Athena earlier

[upper rapids]

understandable

[gray narwhal]

Nightmare runs are hard lol

[glass bone]

If I may ask, is the goal to go for 16 Fear with an Axe, or is the goal just 16?

[gray narwhal]

16 with Axe

[glass bone]

Is there a specific one you’re looking to go for?

Or maybe all of them?

[gray narwhal]

I'm doing all the testaments. And I was wrong I was on 20 nightmare that run.

[upper rapids]

Well im definitely not recommending thanatos given my track record so uh
How much frenzy you got? If none , charon could work

[glass bone]

Charon works with Frenzy! The problem is Eris (especially Rival Eris), and Wards.

[upper rapids]

Oh really? Even versus prom?

My worries were prom eris so
Maybe some mini bosses

[glass bone]

Let me check my Fear for Charon…

[gray narwhal]

Thanatos has proven the best for me lol. Big quick sweeps to clear everyone. Thus I go max horde for it.

Always pick Apollo attack on it to clear the rooms quickly

[upper rapids]

I shall refrain from any commentary

[glass bone]

Ok, so my highest Charon Surface clear is 20, and highest Underworld is 35.

[gray narwhal]

Everyone has their own styles, it's all good.

[upper rapids]

I am also joking

Speaking of fear what's your setup right now

Theres hordes alright

[gray narwhal]

I'm changing it around a bit, Hordes, Fangs, Denial, Rival 2 at least. Then gotta add some more

[glass bone]

That 20 most likely was prior to Rival Prom, of which I’ve cleared with…. I think literally just 1 weapon (Circe).

You could take Hordes out for Timer 2.

[upper rapids]

Assuming with frenzy , you mean

[gray narwhal]

I removed Frenzy for the moment but might add it back

[glass bone]

Hordes is one of the last vows taken at higher fears, since it makes many, many, many vows harder.

[gray narwhal]

Might remove that then and go Rivals 3 instead

[glass bone]

I think the list is like… Pain, Grit, Wards, Return, and Timer directly, then Frenzy, and Rivals indirectly (relating to specifically Rivals Scylla).

If you’re comfortable with Rival Prom, go for it. But that also is a massive difficulty spike (at-least compared to Rival Cerberus).

[gray narwhal]

Prom hasn't really been too much of a challenge to me, but we'll have to see.

[upper rapids]

Fangs too

[glass bone]

Early vows recommended are like… Denial (assuming the “reroll corner” is used), Timer 2 (3 for Underworld, unless Rivals 1 is taken), Menace, Frenzy, and Hubris.

Oh yeah, forgot about Fangs

[gray narwhal]

You can reroll the onion?

[glass bone]

No. Denial is the vow where the non-chosen boons become inaccessible for the night

[upper rapids]

Personally cerb is way harder than prom in terms of how it feels but still take more damage on prom so idk

Like prom you can learn to dodge, if you dont it hits hard as hell
Cerb i dont know how to dodge and may hit for less

But over time, cerb will be more annoying since he'll get in damage

[glass bone]

That one is Forfeit

[gray narwhal]

Oh sorry I was mixing them up

[glass bone]

It’s okay

[gray narwhal]

For me it depends on the weapon and build. The close up weapons make Cerberus harder for me then Prom

[glass bone]

Perhaps the problem is I’ve done so many more Underworld runs than Surface atm. Like I lost to regular Eris in a speedrun, and lost a few death defiances to regular Prom at 40F Nergal. So I probably have some bias.

[upper rapids]

Fair
I've done more surface than uw

[gray narwhal]

Starting my new run. Wish me luck! A Heroic attack boon and Chaos Attack boon at the start is a good sign

[upper rapids]

Beeg damage

[gray narwhal]

For me, Polythemus has been the most annoying of the rivals.

[glass bone]

But okay. Axe at 20. Charon is definitely a strong weapon. If you go for it, start with Apollo Keepsake and go for Lucid Gain.

[upper rapids]

Typhon or eris for me

[glass bone]

That was a learning curve for sure. I remember in Patch 9 when Polyphemus’s grab rivaled Melee Marth, and he destroyed curing pools. That was nasty to deal with.

[upper rapids]

Altho recent run did dodge typhon better until baby mel phase + wasted like 50 hp on trying to get the kill with raki so maybe ill get the hang of his patterns

[gray narwhal]

Sticking with Than scythe, still my favorite lol. I'm more of an unga bunga build guy lol. Just hit one button and smash

[glass bone]

Tips for Rival Polyphemus;

• Watch out for his grab. When he does, he will either scream in anger (I believe summons the sheep), or slam the ground. If I remember correctly, he then alternates these ‘miss-attacks’.
• Medea’s phase transition poison is the same each time you fight. First one has poison dripped up and down in ‘straight’ lines. Second one shoots a whole bunch of poison in a star pattern. Go to the edges each time this happens.
• Go for big damage when Polyphemus stomps and summons the little wretched guys.
• For the ‘Locator’ attack, there’s a small delay between when it starts and when damage will actually trigger the rocks. If you aren’t using timer, you can wait this out. Or if you’re low on time, you can deliberately trigger the rocks and dash through the many waves of the dropped boulder.

[elfin forge]

Dodging the boulder is much easier from long range

[gray narwhal]

Yeah I can see and realize most of his attacks, I just need to get myself to react in time lol

[elfin forge]

Polyphemus, when poisoned, has poison on all of his aoes, but not his melee attacks like when he jumps into you, or grabs you, thankfully

[glass bone]

True, but also Medea can then be a pain and splash you with poison while you’re grabbed.

[gray narwhal]

Okay that Poly fight was a lot better lol. One thing that also helps a lot is the Projectile slowing boon from Hermes

Okay going to focus on my run now. Wish me luck!

[median anvil]

if you like unga bunga one hit button builds shouldn't you be playing charon axe?

with a few correct boons your ospecials becomes an intercontinental ballistic missile

[gray narwhal]

Isn't Charon the one where you have to set the cast and then hit it with an omega special?

[glass bone]

^

Also, go for the Hammer and Apollo Legendary that adds more OSpecials

[civic ocean]

You should also always try and get Nova Flourish on Charon from Apollo IIRC it makes the Ospec blasts overlap

[civic ocean]

Easy bake oven Charon Build

-Nova Flourish
-Lucid Gain
-put cast down on yourself and ospec spam

-try to find giga cleaver and exceptional talent

-blast things from a safe distance

-optionally buff your cast with geyser spout from poseidon once you have a cast boon

Arctic Ring is unintuitive but good to keep you safe while your charge

[glass bone]

Is Geyser Spout necessary/strong for the setup?

Oh wait nvm

[surreal hazel]

Strong, yes

[upper rapids]

Aint no way i die a second time to poly with thanatos

[surreal hazel]

Prominence flare doesn't brick you any more either

And in case you're wondering, charon doesn't stop solar ring from doing its damage

But oddly it procs after the cast damage

[civic ocean]

So its like pretty good especially if you Ospecial on top of enemies

At lower fear there is a pretty sick Charon build with Sword Ring Geyser Spout Hostile Environment and the falling blade duos but its pretty inconsistent at 50+

[surreal hazel]

Oh yeah, local climate is strong af

[spiral wadi]

yall in feedback need to learn when not to take boons that'll negatively impact ur build 💀

winner's circle is built around a specific type of build and that's perfectly fine

[surreal hazel]

I do wish super nova grew faster if you have winner's circle though

[civic ocean]

Idk I think at this point I have sort of just let go of fighting this

“Actions can have negative consequences” is not a super popular design opinion here

[spiral wadi]

o it doesn't? yea it should

[spiral wadi]

rough

[surreal hazel]

Sadly

[spiral wadi]

yea it's also like storm ring is in a really strong spot this meta, buffing it more is just dumb

[upper rapids]

Wait until they hear about medea storm ring bug

[surreal hazel]

Also casts are free

[spiral wadi]

medea gonna go unpatched for 1.0

[surreal hazel]

The fact that storm ring lasts less time isn't as bad as it seems. You can just lay another one

[upper rapids]

Ye ik did say bug

[spiral wadi]

tru, eris strats

[civic ocean]

True take howling soul and brap brap brap my cast is now an AK-47

[surreal hazel]

Winner's circle is just disgustingly good

[spiral wadi]

wait a minute winner's circle might just be strong on surface enemies cuz they're all moving around so much

[civic ocean]

This is why I want a version of it in the arcana deck because its not just super good its also like a truly build around boon on a rare god

[spiral wadi]

making it last longer on specific casts would just brick the versatility 🐀

[civic ocean]

Yeah its great on Momus surface

[uneven palm]

Momus Winner's Circle is so good

[civic ocean]

Night cycling Momus with WC Geyser Spout and a good Hex you feel actually invincible

[surreal hazel]

Sactity darkside builds

[civic ocean]

Like a maxed out Wolf Howl goes so crazy

[surreal hazel]

Free omega casts

[civic ocean]

You put down the turrets and then jump around like an idiot and watch all of typhons attacks miss you while he takes 6k damage

[surreal hazel]

How much has the pulse nerf hurt momus?

[civic ocean]

Not as much as the dash channel nerf

[surreal hazel]

Remind me

[civic ocean]

You used to be able to channel while dashing

[surreal hazel]

Whuh

[civic ocean]

Now it resets if you dash mid channel

[uneven palm]

The Omega attacks? You can still dash in the middle of channeling

[surreal hazel]

Oh just the step of the dash

[uneven palm]

or am I misunderstanding

[civic ocean]

O atk resets now

[surreal hazel]

Not the full run

[civic ocean]

It used to work like O cast now it resets

[gray narwhal]

Dang. Got all the way to Typhon's last phase and then he got me. That was my best run so far, didn't even need Athena

[civic ocean]

Or I guess the easiest comparison is it used to work like charon ospec now it doesnt

[surreal hazel]

It kills Hel's oattack that dashing breaks it

[uneven palm]

Ah, I see what you mean. It just still channels reasonably fast that I didn't notice it cancels the in-progress channel

[civic ocean]

It used to be sooooo sick and now its just good

[surreal hazel]

Axe third strike dash still lives

[civic ocean]

The pulse nerf is bad for Eris and Prometheus and Chronos but otherwise I think its okay

[uneven palm]

It's not super noticeable naw. tbh if they didn't nerf the pulses Momus would still be bottom tier staff now which is quite the turnaround

[civic ocean]

Yeah the other three staves are crazy

[uneven palm]

Mini gonna be a happy camper when they come back

[surreal hazel]

Mel is so plainly good

And is now doing something momus isn't.

Twincasting is kinda bananas even ignoring the leash beam

[glass shell]

buff mel staff 😔

[civic ocean]

Tbh I liked old Mel too but yes I did play it exactly the same way as Momus even more focused on Geyser Spout Winner’s circle

[surreal hazel]

Which.... is just h1 Cold Embrace but not terrible

Except the beam is fired from mel

[uneven palm]

I did like how the faster channeling felt on old Mel Staff. Made things like dash-strike Omega feel great

[modern nest]

Trying to decide if I should pivot to judgement arcana. Seems like your build would be stronger overall by the final boss of each region.

[median anvil]

yeah but early run will be miserably weak

[surreal hazel]

Just take the crystal figurine in zone 1 and pray

[modern nest]

Boatman, Death, Unseen. Which also activate moon and queen

[median anvil]

you're much better off just taking whatever you want and settling for that for the whole run

[upper rapids]

Third loss to poly with thanatos ok im not touching this again not for me

[surreal hazel]

You can take the entire right side and death to activate 7 arcana

[ocean ibex]

realistically what are you getting from judgement that you can’t normally get. excellence?

[surreal hazel]

You get all 25 eventually. So i guess the furies, lovers,

Moon. Night. Unseen

[ocean ibex]

if you want those you just like. take them

[civic ocean]

I think this makes a lot of sense to try

In my experience I have found that having all of the arcana that I want early on in runs creates a much stronger final build than accumulating more cards over time, but I would love to see someone really dig into it and see how it feels

[ocean ibex]

hay guys

[surreal hazel]

I just take the figurine in zone 1, if it gives judgement then lol

[ocean ibex]

the regions where you need the most help are regions 1 and 2

[median anvil]

it feels awful at high fear I'll tell you that

[civic ocean]

I would imagine yeah given how strict everything gets at 50+

[surreal hazel]

Judgement at high void is basically forced unless it's max void

[median anvil]

erebus is already the hardest part of a high fear uw run, not having the damage arcana makes it so much worse

[surreal hazel]

So judgement is basically balanced around being bad

[civic ocean]

I need help in every region

[median anvil]

i did a 45 fear judgment mel axe run, died to hecate ~3 times, the first time i passed her i went through the whole run

[civic ocean]

So a normal 45 fear attempt set

[median anvil]

who tf is using void at 45

[supple crown]

I can imagine the early game is hell

[civic ocean]

I meant like the result

[supple crown]

speaking from personal exp doing something stupid lol

[median anvil]

yeah, the only difference is that erebus is way harder than usual

[civic ocean]

I feel like any non rivals 45 fear attempt in my head is basically just “get out of erebus alive and you win”

[median anvil]

no it's by all means, NOT worth it

[civic ocean]

Yeah ofc

It’s a meme card for sure

[surreal hazel]

Hades is the meme card in hades 2

Irony

[median anvil]

maybe i should do a 50 fear judgement run with eos

[surreal hazel]

Do it. You masochist

[supple crown]

Go for itttt

[surreal hazel]

Use flame strike and flutter flourish

[median anvil]

could actually work because night + lovers + death gives you a pretty good starting setup

[upper rapids]

Why specifically eos

[surreal hazel]

That'd be a dumb challenge. 50+ with the dumbest antisynergy in your core boons

[median anvil]

the only aspect in the game that can comfortably play with night

actually i guess momus can too

but I've become very consistent at night cycling eos

[surreal hazel]

Supay can

Mel and moros torches absolutely do not

[upper rapids]

I guess at that fear shiva isnt comfortable for the attack, think this was talked about yesterday

[median anvil]

haven't played a lot of supay since patch 11

[surreal hazel]

Supay oattack is different now

[uneven palm]

I think Night is slept-on for Mel/Moros torches too. All those O special hits can crit even if the O attack you're only triggering Night on the first one

[surreal hazel]

More obviously an oattack

[upper rapids]

For hel what duos/legendaries you want or is it just go for poseidon/hestia and channel speed

[median anvil]

night can definitely be used for moros

[surreal hazel]

You don't always need omegas

[uneven palm]

Mel it's nice too. 25% crit on the O specials

[upper rapids]

Base firespeed is enough?

[surreal hazel]

Regular special is like a plaguebearer for spreading curses, notably blitz and hitch

Better than ospecial. Honestly

[upper rapids]

Worth a shot

Wondering what gods are essential apart from the obvious on hit effects

Demeter aphro never bad for the defensive capabilities and aphro duos or even steam
Zeus for static shock ?

[uneven palm]

Zeus is good, Slow Cooker pretty good if you've got Fire gods in the pool

[surreal hazel]

Aphro's flutters aren't that great. But flutterstrike while in valkyrie is just brute

[uneven palm]

Don't those attacks hit for like 20? Poseidon's gonna be out-damaging Aphro by a bazillion

[surreal hazel]

Whatever the richochet hammer is called

[upper rapids]

Aphro i was thinking as support god for the weak effect, duo with hestia and maybe the attack power boon

[surreal hazel]

I think the icd on splashes hurts a bit

[formal pulsar]

Look scorch duos are nice to have but really scorch only need a good rarity pyro technique or a Pom or two on it to pop off

[upper rapids]

What i meant by this is take poseidon/hestia for granted, what would you add to that

[surreal hazel]

But flame strike in valkyrie is easymode freezerburn

[uneven palm]

Not on Hel. You get waves every strike, even during Valk

[surreal hazel]

Good to know

[uneven palm]

Poseidon's very good there

[surreal hazel]

King tide ftw

[uneven palm]

Pom scaling on Pyro is actually silly

[surreal hazel]

It is

[uneven palm]

"another 50% multiplicative for 1 pom don't mind if i do"

[surreal hazel]

50% on first pom. Madness

Dunno what the tailoff is

But there's also just a soft cap on pyro anyway so eh

[formal pulsar]

They were really cooking with that Pom scaling lmao

[surreal hazel]

"Fast cooker"

Ugh. None of the infusions appear on gods that actually synergise well with them. But I guess that's deliberate

[uneven palm]

Air Quality and Static Shock?

[upper rapids]

Doesnt ares just wanna do beeg damage, so rallying cry

[surreal hazel]

Kinda. Used to be a lot more

Demeter benefits way more

[surreal hazel]

Rallying cry benefits zeus and hestia the most

[uneven palm]

Yeah but common SS is just like 10 damage base. Taking that to guaranteed 50 is nice

Gales absolutely pop off tho

[surreal hazel]

Certainly feels like the original intention l. Remember thunder sprint?

[formal pulsar]

I miss when thunder sprint worked with magick

Why they gotta take every interesting sprint boon and make it bad. Now only two things I don’t hate are Apollo and Demeter. Everything else is ass.

[surreal hazel]

Haha. I've had thunder rush be my best dps

Also nexus is slept on so hard

[formal pulsar]

Nexus is good on any romantic spark build

[uneven palm]

RIP old Heph magick -> blast boon

[formal pulsar]

I just hate how it has anti synergy with hereditary bane

[surreal hazel]

Nexus after queen's ransom is like cosplaying a frieght train

[formal pulsar]

I used to love passion dash till they absolutely murdered it for that 1 in 30 runs you get Aphro legendary

[uneven palm]

its ok on like dashstrike-y things IMO. hits twice, weak is nice

[surreal hazel]

Hereditary bane is still so weird in having zero pom scaling

+10% per level. For every level

[uneven palm]

Knuckle Bones + Hereditary Bane is my favorite anti-rivals-Prometheus tech

Pom or Rarity on it and you instaphase Heracles

[surreal hazel]

If you can get hitch in quickly

[uneven palm]

i have no fear
[gets hit by bird]

[surreal hazel]

He literally flipped you the bird

[uneven palm]

tbh I've done that fight so much that if I get hit by the bird now that's on me

[surreal hazel]

Did you ever find out how they behave when the other is ko?

[civic ocean]

They still swap

[upper rapids]

Holy blitz scorch hel melts

[civic ocean]

Prometheus has definitely double crazy kicked me while heracles is dead

[uneven palm]

Yeah they'll continue the "aggro"/"not" cycle

[civic ocean]

I finally feel good in that fight now

The key is to always be terrified of them

[uneven palm]

lol nailed it. I was about to say I never feel good about that fight

[upper rapids]

Fear is your greatest weapon in the fight against death

[civic ocean]

Those two specifically though like if you spend most of the time running its good

Hexes are really good against them

In particular wolf howl night bloom and prominence lunar ray

[surreal hazel]

Huh... weird

[uneven palm]

Night Bloom has won me some fights with them. Just let the rocket goat pick 'em off

[surreal hazel]

The goat draws aggro too

The goat goat

[civic ocean]

Night bloom is sooo based on surface

Really good at eris prom and if you get yarg typhon too

[surreal hazel]

Auto watchers with vigour is hilarious

[civic ocean]

I actually change my strat against prom if I have night bloom where I rushdown Prom first to get him to p2 asap so he drops bros faster

[surreal hazel]

Looks at a target and just empties an autocannon into it

[upper rapids]

Does yargonaut even hit typhon?

[civic ocean]

Yes quite a lot

[upper rapids]

Watched a vid and it didnt do any damage

[surreal hazel]

Yes. But are you thinking of the babality phase?

[upper rapids]

Was it patched or
No not babality

[surreal hazel]

Oh huh

During babality, typhon is invuln and untargetable, so night bloom just idles

[upper rapids]

I recall it firing but doing no damage

So not idle

[surreal hazel]

Might be where the damage numbers appear

Can't exactly watch the health bar

[civic ocean]

https://youtu.be/SENol3TP7BY?si=9Lv5FvuzBdoxtljv at 3045 look for the green 300s and the yellow 900s

[upper rapids]

Yea its obvious in this vid damn
Cool to know, i wouldve kept avoiding nightbloom versus typhon otherwise

[civic ocean]

Allies dealt 150k damage lmao

[upper rapids]

Good lord

[uneven palm]

Night Bloom is bananas on the surface

regular Typhon get the flying goobers and they'll just kill him for you

[upper rapids]

Does frenzy affect god trials attack rate

[civic ocean]

Idk feels like it

[uneven palm]

Yes

[upper rapids]

Was about to say, zeus felt way more energetic than usual

[surreal hazel]

Pretty sure the gods are just an invisible enemy during disputes

Kinda like how artemis clearly has a position when shooting during hunt events

[upper rapids]

Could probably test it by comparing a more obvious god attack like heph

[uneven palm]

Oh they’re definitely sped up with Frenzy

[civic ocean]

My feeling on it is that if I do not have dash up I cannot get out of Ares or Heph’s circles before they hit me

[uneven palm]

Ares is my nightmare in those yeah. If you’re off-dash you’re hosed

Heph has a little more leeway but not much

[spiral wadi]

heph, ares, and apollo are prob the most ruthless lmao

esp if u have apollo cast it's nearly impossible to see apollo's move until it's too late

he should just apply daze to you so you miss 30% of your hits

[digital juniper]

do trials only show up in the surface? i’m yet to see one

[spiral wadi]

trials should show up in both paths, it's just rng lol

[digital juniper]

is there a prereq to get them to show up, maybe they’re a low chance? or it could be just that rng hasn’t given me one yet

[civic ocean]

You have to have two gods in the pool in erebus or oceanus

[limber swan]

any tips for vow of rivals typhon? been banging my head against him but theres just so many projectiles going on its hard to not get hit

[digital juniper]

hmmm it might be that i usually close out erebus with one god more often than not

[limber swan]

probably doesnt help that im insistent on doing it at 24 fear

[spiral wadi]

frenzy or nah

[limber swan]

not frenzy

[spiral wadi]

for when he does his uvula slam attack (the one with hit, hit, wait, hit) there's a safe spot in the far right corner of the arena

in 4th phase, when he uses his chin, that's when the three tail wave starts to occur

[limber swan]

i just went up with the aspect of circe(the one that makes your cast appear around your familiar) and got really lucky with all the omega cast boons i could possibly get and got the hera infusion and got the hera legendary and had mirrored thrasher and strong poseidon attack and cast boons and still just couldn't quite get past him

yeah his uvula slam hits hard, i'll try dodging there

[spiral wadi]

o would it be worth showing u my circe typhon run, it has frenzy 2 on but it should be applicable

[limber swan]

sure

[spiral wadi]

https://youtu.be/DemcswTJOEo?t=1610

[limber swan]

i mean this run had the poseidon omega cast, prominence flare, ares omega blades thingy

[spiral wadi]

should be timestamped to 26:50

the problem is that i don't run omegas at all so u might have to do a little adapting but it should be fine

[upper rapids]

Unbelievable i got my best run against frenzy 2 prom with hel and i timed out

[limber swan]

do aphrodite cast and the demeter gales do damage faster with circe?

[spiral wadi]

idk, i had vow of grit stripped away in that run

but it does enough damage to win 62f so

i think my main source of damage was prob blitz

[limber swan]

okay so those snot projectiles or whatever that explode into 3 rotating projectiles

how do i deal with them?

honestly chronos isn't my problem in this fight, its just the new typhon moves

[spiral wadi]

yea, so when he fires them at you:
if you're close to typhon, just dash left/right when he fires it
if you're far from typhon, wait until the snot thing is about to land, then dash into typhon (you might have to sprint away from wherever the snot splits)

in 4th phase the snot behaves differently, where it'll always hit right in front of typhon's face and split into 3, i find the way it splits to be excruciatingly unfair attack due to how random it is

i think the best way to go about the 4th phase thing is if you're able to be in front of typhon's face, you should be able to just dash left/right when it's about to land? tho i remember getting hit anyway cuz the radius is also insanely big for no reason

[limber swan]

okay, ill eat dinner and then try this again

[spiral wadi]

ye, also for when he summons his falling egg things from the sky:
in phases 1-3, they'll land generally randomly along the arena, tho they tend to aim away from typhon
in phase 4, they'll always land in typhon's face

also also typhon has turn speed so for example if he's looking to the right and you're standing to his left, he has to turn towards you first before making a move

[upper rapids]

Finally beat frenzy 2 prom only to die to tail of typhon

Rough hitting it with hel

[spiral wadi]

is it the land dracons

[upper rapids]

i did die to them but they werent the issue for the fight

staying on top of the tail and getting in the attacks was rough

also took like 3 hits from one of those waves which was stupid

[spiral wadi]

ah, yea tail is ridiculous relative to eye of typhon lmao

[upper rapids]

twins and eye feel so easy

tail is rough when i cant get near it otherwise passable, its dashes are easy to dodge and the kamehameha whatever it is isnt bad at all

spawn of typhon tho...

[spiral wadi]

spawn of typhon is absurd cuz u think u time it right but it still hits u anyway

[upper rapids]

and hits like a truck on top of that

[upper rapids]

should mention i relied a lot on hitch, storm ring and lunar ray too to melt other enemies whereas tail avoided me and the attack's scorch was too slow

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773298528310001716/1404611280400158852/7F9D5F64281F8AC0.mp4 womp

[upper rapids]

there goes a fourth of your health

[spiral wadi]

ah i see, ye tail moves around a lot and is pain for melee

[spiral wadi]

iirc that run i died to chronos orbs during baby phase so if spawn didn't do that i would have won i think

[upper rapids]

most likely

[spiral wadi]

also the disparity in waves between erebus and ephyra is insane after trying uw again

[upper rapids]

erebus gets way more enemies maybe?
idk i enjoy surface so i go for that mostly

[spiral wadi]

like ephyra is fine cuz u start off with a couple decent boons and rooms tend to be relatively quick to clear, erebus feels crazy cuz sometimes u'll get a couple skip rooms and will be fine but if u don't ur just hit with 3-wave room after 3-wave room

[upper rapids]

also now that im trying out frenzy 2 i can see why ppl say omegas are too risky
even tho my hel special was hitting like a truck even against bosses, i had like maybe 3 or 4 occasions to use it vs say prom

[upper rapids]

even worse if you hit a shellfish or hippo when ur dps is garbage

[spiral wadi]

ye, it's why i just pretend omegas don't exist on circe

hippo behavior is so bad cuz either u catch it early and it's fine or it runs across the very big arena refusing to let u get near it

[civic ocean]

You mean DPS check the miniboss?

[upper rapids]

funny you mention circe as im doing a circe omega cast build rn

(and i got hit 4 times by an autoseeker as a rsult of the omega)

[spiral wadi]

it's that eye of typhon is far easier to manage and easier to deal damage to, while tail has very fast movement and extremely punishing attacks while the infinitely respawning land dracons (why am i being punished for taking the risk and dealing with the land dracons?) also fire homing shots at you

relatively tail takes like 2x or 3x time to clear

[civic ocean]

Eye would be harder but its just really easy to race

Eye is honestly probably harder to avoid like I think the design of the fight is such that it is supposed to overwhelm you if you take too long but its a massive hitbox so you just shred it

The first two minibosses get me way more often now I swear the twins have been lifting

[spiral wadi]

i remember twins being ridiculous during warsong lmao im happy they're more chill now

[uneven palm]

I’ve never done anything but like tuck up to the very right of the eye and like everything just kinda doesn’t bother you much there other than the big eyeball explosion

[civic ocean]

Spawn always makes me feel like a moron

The circles are literally huge and red how are you getting hit by this

[upper rapids]

for reference, i fought twins same run and they melted in like 15 seconds
whereas tail was toying with me

[spiral wadi]

lingering hitboxes

[civic ocean]

Twins I just don’t know the dodge timings yet

Now that I don’t die to Prometheus on 90% of my runs anymore I should start improving at summit

[spiral wadi]

i happen to have a save that starts after beating prom lmao

[upper rapids]

id learn the dodge timings if i actually needed to but like just dash away from them and its good enough most of the time

big arena, small hitboxes for their attacks

average damage

[formal pulsar]

About twins, I rarely get hit by the mini boss but the mobs version of the twins are literally cancer. They are always burrowing, big AOE on emerging and long range attacks. They clip me more times than I wanna admit

[uneven palm]

Same the non boss ones seem to have zero warning when they pop up

[civic ocean]

I swear to god I have had one come up to me, stop, I dodge, it then KEEPS GOING underground and gets me.

[ocean ibex]

the spawn triple red donut attack is so stupid

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1404632723645137047/Hades_II_-_2025-08-11_6-07-45_PM.mp4 ecstatic obsession to stop the auto seeker

[cerulean panther]

That move is the devil incarnate.

It's impossible to evade on Horrors as well.

[spiral wadi]

true!

honestly if they just make auto-seeker shots not reach so far all my problems with it would be gone

[civic ocean]

I really like how they make me run for cover

[uneven palm]

Truth. One spawning way across an oil patch on a Thessaly boat that you weren’t aware of is a fun one. “Oh I’m getting shot now great”

[formal pulsar]

Soooo for nergal, do you reset till you get psychic whirlwind? Cuz the moveset is sooo ass

[past salmon]

I mean like

It's possible to do without
It's not fun
And it sucks
But hey you could

[ocean ibex]

is medea storm ring still bugged?

[tough pasture]

I don't understand what hit you. I mean...wut?

[past salmon]

Dashed slightly early and caught the very tail end of the hitbox

[spiral wadi]

wonder if it also had to do with gust slowing enemies down too

[digital juniper]

i'm going through the boons of different gods. romantic spark looks like ME from H1, right? and is it strong in h2 aswell? i loved ME in 1

[upper rapids]

i like romantic spark for supay

does eris have any particular pattern to her laser dashes

like can you tell when she'll go right or left

[spiral wadi]

as far as i can tell eris makes her own path

too bad it's not threatening at all

[upper rapids]

i feel humiliated /jk

[spiral wadi]

(well it is but not as much as normal eris)

[upper rapids]

its not threatening as in dps but having to run after her is annoying

and since idk if its left or right i sometimes miss my prediction on a cast or something

[spiral wadi]

ye it's funky, there's a very faint gust of wind that appears under eris before she lands tho

[upper rapids]

i noticed that yea

but if she falls and then flies away very quickly, i dont notice the second one

idk if thats reaction speed or actually a feature

[spiral wadi]

mm usually i just plant my cast when she lands and hope it does its job

i'm 70% sure i've seen the gust thing every time she drops (there's even a "fake" one when she does her raining bomb attack)

now that i think about it why isn't she raining lucifer blobs

[digital juniper]

she's using her own aspect obviously /j

[spiral wadi]

true,,

[upper rapids]

switching to your secondary aspect is faster than reloading

[spiral wadi]

tbf i don't think she can command her aspect at will, she complains about it when u tick down rivals

[upper rapids]

ye canonically its more of a Night/Fear-dictated thing

[spiral wadi]

everyone chill until chronos pulls out the charon aspect

[upper rapids]

chronos with nergal aspect tho

slamming on top of you with berserk

lost to frenzy 2 typhon cuz an egg hatched, unfortunate

threw me off my game and then i kept getting hit

[spiral wadi]

yeaa egg hatching is super dumb in typhon cuz the pig, no warning, will spawn and instantly attack

[upper rapids]

oh wasnt pig

was the drake/
so it tanked a lot

[spiral wadi]

oooh yea i don't think i've seen that one yet(?)

[upper rapids]

huh

curious about the hp stats but it feels tankier than other minis
like talos goes faster than drake i believe?

[spiral wadi]

they've felt about the same to me tbh

talos tends to be faster tho yea

[upper rapids]

could just be the armor

[spiral wadi]

ye it's why i prioritize getting armor melting on hammer

and also why the "atk/special more dmg to armor" heph boon should be changed to be a t2 blast anti-armor boon

[upper rapids]

for thematic reasons?

[spiral wadi]

(or just make it so it adds olympian damage on armor )

[median anvil]

fyi it has as much armor as a chronos phase

[upper rapids]

also i really like corrosion on sight for armor , medea goated

[spiral wadi]

just cuz it's weird that for a god that only gives a blast effect on atk/specials, it has a boon that works with % boons

[upper rapids]

chronos has same hp all phases?

[upper rapids]

exactly

[median anvil]

iirc 20k first phase, 18k second

[upper rapids]

rivals i presume?

wiki says 20 and 16

does the dracon have its stats anywhere?

aight so im curious if my boon pick here was wise or not

medea blitz attack wounds special
denial vow
i get offered static shock, double strike and storm ring , all 3 are too good so i roll
get heinous affront and storm ring, i go for heinous

wouldve storm ring made more sense for the dmg vs bosses, since i can get room clear with similar effects to heinous through static shock?

[spiral wadi]

tbh i usually avoid storm ring if i already have blitz, tho blitz + storm ring is still really good

[upper rapids]

im trying to copy a kings ransom medea build so thats why i wouldve thought more core zeus boons would be good

[spiral wadi]

tho heinous affront is still pretty good w/ zeus revenge

[upper rapids]

but also heinous is such good room clear and i only have divine rn, can keepsake apollo

[spiral wadi]

do u have a cast yet

[upper rapids]

do not

[spiral wadi]

would recommend hunting for froth or scorch cast

[upper rapids]

couldve taken dem

oh yea hestia also has the bug

[spiral wadi]

with froth u get overall boost to dps and also lightning froth duo, with scorch u get really good area clear and also scorch blitz duo

[upper rapids]

man i want so many gods
apollo for light smite, heph for safety maybe master conductor, dem safety aswell, now hestia

[spiral wadi]

ye circe is ridiculously flexible it's awesome

[sand crow]

speaking of froth, froth + circe staff is extremely hilarious if you want to try using only casts lol

[upper rapids]

medea *

[sand crow]

WAIT how did you read my mind

[spiral wadi]

ah medea i forgor

[ocean ibex]

wait does AQ affect froth

[sand crow]

you manifested my circe comment lmao

[upper rapids]

nah its a good diea for future circe run

[spiral wadi]

isn't froth at base already 50

[ocean ibex]

damn..

[sand crow]

Yeah... but it does affect static shock

[ocean ibex]

barely

[sand crow]

???? it triples static shock damage

[ocean ibex]

what the hell kinda air they got where you live

[spiral wadi]

i mean static shock does get buffed w/ olympian/global modifiers so if u have it at high enough rarity/level u'd be pretty close to 50 anyway

but also prob better to just get aq with static

[ocean ibex]

sleeping on AQ cast builds

[sand crow]

Yeah I guess if it's already buffed to the nines with external damage boosts it's not that big of a boost, but if you get a common static shock you can technically quintuple your static shock damage lmao

[upper rapids]

im thinking either hestia or pos now for the medea run
good duos, good dmg cast, hydraulic might or even slow cooker add dmg

apollo is neat for light smite but his other boons wont do much, maaaybe extra dose
dem likewise, apart from just general safety of freeze and snow queen
heph i dont even want as core, only armor

[ocean ibex]

wave flourish is cool

[spiral wadi]

if u get daze cast/rush, heph has a duo where u deal +300 on blast vs dazed enemies

[sand crow]

aq is such a silly infusion lol

[ocean ibex]

red do an AQ circe run

[spiral wadi]

i am not going back to 62f

[ocean ibex]

i didnt say 62f

[spiral wadi]

also i think i'm retiring circe

[ocean ibex]

you can do it on charon too

[sand crow]

wave flourish on medea?? for some reason I get stuck with playing super optimally when I play medea so I pretty much exclusively throw hera on attack

[spiral wadi]

i'm prob gonna be doing some coat runs for now, will maybe do axe after

[sand crow]

cuz that was meta at least a couple patches ago right?? i've been out of the loop

[ocean ibex]

prom flare + meat grinder + gales + tropical gust + AQ =

[upper rapids]

think they were referring to circe still

[sand crow]

ohhhhh that makes more sense

[ocean ibex]

yeah sworn strike is still probably best on medea, but heinous affront is second which is very close

[spiral wadi]

https://youtu.be/hxrDC-6s7TY anyway heph core is pretty good, i think heph core was used in a medea speedrun wr? (this is circe)

[ocean ibex]

nah i was talking about medea, waves on medea is not awful

[upper rapids]

do you m,ean heph attack/special core

[spiral wadi]

yea i use special blast in the vid

[upper rapids]

i was referring to his cast, i dont want it right now in my build

[sand crow]

ohhhhhhhhh that's the duo that inflicts all of your other revenge boons right?

[spiral wadi]

ooooh gotcha

[sand crow]

that sounds incredibly hilarious actually I never thought of that

[ocean ibex]

yes, ares atk zeus spec

[spiral wadi]

i mean heph cast is pretty good ngl

[sand crow]

instant origination

[spiral wadi]

prob safer to just get a proc tho

[upper rapids]

again build is
zeus attack
ares special
hestia cast now that i keepsake'd and expedited hermes
hera dash
hera gain

[spiral wadi]

nice

[upper rapids]

heinous on top

[ocean ibex]

why did you swap ares and zeus!!!!

[upper rapids]

order of appearance and rarity

[spiral wadi]

hera dash feels terrible to use personally 🤔

also zeus attack is meta i think

[upper rapids]

i dont much care for hera's boons i just want kings ransom

[ocean ibex]

no, zeus special

the blitz applies before the special actually does damage

(why is it like this)

[spiral wadi]

o huh interesting

[upper rapids]

i know thats how it works but ill take rarity for extra damage cuz i saw boated doing blitz attack and thought hey thats wacky

[ocean ibex]

oh its certainly not bad to swap them, it's pretty much the same effect

[upper rapids]

like ill take epic boons over common with some faster blitz proc

[spiral wadi]

scorch attack blitz spec 🔥

[ocean ibex]

but you usually want the ares % increase on the attack which has more base power + range

[sand crow]

wait so blitz doesn't apply first if you put it on attack, but it does with special?

[ocean ibex]

oh it might, i dont know

[upper rapids]

holy moly double strike and kings ransom first room fo thesally

do we say goodbye to double strike or greed the ransom for olympus

[spiral wadi]

it might be that special registers the hit first, then attack explodes after

[sand crow]

that would make sense

[upper rapids]

true

[spiral wadi]

is this sacrificing hera

[upper rapids]

special connects and that triggers the timer on attack

[sand crow]

and also with the Medea % boost on both attacks and specials you're getting more bang for your buck with extra power

[ocean ibex]

the only god that's really bad on medea is......... lol idk

[upper rapids]

yes
id sacrifice hera dash and gain
or i can roll and greed it for later

[sand crow]

uhhhhhhh probably hestia on like attack?

even then it's probably not that bad

[ocean ibex]

heph is pretty good on medea since you have the innate 90%

[spiral wadi]

hmmmmm i'd say ransom lmao

[upper rapids]

we ball

[sand crow]

ransom ransom ransom ransom

[upper rapids]

also maybe dem or apollo are weakest on medea

[spiral wadi]

wait what's ur heinous affront doing btw

[upper rapids]

divine veng

[spiral wadi]

how much can it do now

[sand crow]

I mean, bigger attack blast might be helpful? and dem inflicts a status

[upper rapids]

its comon

[spiral wadi]

yea but it should be upgraded by the ransom

[upper rapids]

but double strike thats offered alongside ranmsom is also common

[spiral wadi]

each lvl iirc is +1 vengeance

[upper rapids]

uh unpommed

[past salmon]

Hestia goes crazy on attack and special trust frfr I would never lie

[ocean ibex]

bigger damage = more scorch applied

first medea wide grin use

[upper rapids]

imma just do the funny ransom and ball for now

[spiral wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-nervous-nervous-cat-big-gulp-scared-cat-gif-882270153639190687

[sand crow]

wait with medea does wide grin just make all of the attacks proc at once?? I haven't gotten that hammer on medea

[ocean ibex]

yeah it kinda blows

[spiral wadi]

i still don't know how divine vengeance proc works like does it roll a 50% on every lightning strike

[sand crow]

ahhh thank u i trust

[past salmon]

Yes?
How else would it work

[spiral wadi]

pick a number between 1 and max

[ocean ibex]

wide grin flame strike freezer burn 🤔

[sand crow]

:o

[past salmon]

What does the 50% do then

[spiral wadi]

in my mind i thought it was "roll 50% until it fails then stop striking" lmao

[upper rapids]

THERMAL DYNAMICS TOO

[past salmon]

That is what it is

[sand crow]

That's how I always read it

[spiral wadi]

wait what so it's not 50% on every strike then

[upper rapids]

THE BALL IS BALLING

[past salmon]

No it is
What ur confusing me

[sand crow]

yes you're right, you get one strike guaranteed and then a coin flip for each subsequent strike up to the maximum

[spiral wadi]

ok so if u have 10 lightning strikes
does it roll 50% on each strike
or does it roll 50% on each strike until one of them fails and it stops rolling

[past salmon]

Oh the second one

[ocean ibex]

the second one

[past salmon]

Levelling divine vengeance is ass 👍

[sand crow]

yeah the second one lmao

[spiral wadi]

ah lame

[spiral wadi]

ez game

[upper rapids]

if i die to some stupid satyr or whatever im retiring medea

[ocean ibex]

scalding vapor 🤔

[spiral wadi]

scorch froth blitz go brr

[past salmon]

Is bad 👍

[ocean ibex]

nooooo

[past salmon]

Anyways shoutouts thermal dynamics that boon is the homie

[ocean ibex]

this build will work

[spiral wadi]

i mean bonus 100 dps is nice, esp since froth cast will instantly reapply froth anyway

[past salmon]

It's a shame it's bad

[upper rapids]

whats the application coldown on blitz

[spiral wadi]

it's like a fake 100% pyro

[past salmon]

However long it takes for the previous blitz to go through its anim

[upper rapids]

understandable

[ocean ibex]

damn can steam by AQ'd

[upper rapids]

also is that the foolish

[past salmon]

Everything can be aqf

[sand crow]

oh does anyone want a born gain calculator btw because i made one :)

[spiral wadi]

scorch in shambles

[ocean ibex]

i thought scorch couldn't be

[past salmon]

Nah that guy sucks

[upper rapids]

that guy stinks actually

[ocean ibex]

you are not the first result on google for foolish hades 2

[sand crow]

mr foolish is foolish

[past salmon]

Oh true they killed that in Unseen huh

[past salmon]

A tragedy

[spiral wadi]

they killed the suboptimal scorch build lol

[past salmon]

Oh no
Anyway

They made East sad
That was kinda rude

[upper rapids]

id be less pissed fighting eris if i could see her when the bombs fall from the sky

[sand crow]

am I the only one who's extremely paranoid of born gain?? I primed myself out back when born gain was ridiculously broken (like it was priming 5 or so Magick and my Magick limit was like 235, but it was on old torches and each Ω Attack was using like 30 Magick lmao) and I haven't trusted it full-heartedly since

[upper rapids]

get medea traces of spirit ez magick ez born gain

[sand crow]

yeeee but this was in an underworld run during a chronos fight lmao

[spiral wadi]

if i have born gain i kinda just play normally and if i'm out of magick it's like "well i tried" lmao

[ocean ibex]

no i dont get paranoid of born gain

[upper rapids]

idk it depends on build and rarity
i wouldnt trust a common born gain on anything except minimal omega spesh uses or possessed array

[spiral wadi]

on torches i find i prefer just getting tranquil gain lol

[sand crow]

wait

[upper rapids]

if its really omega reliant id just go flood gain probably

[sand crow]

does tranquil gain work if you just sit and attack

[past salmon]

Generally when I click born gain I just enjoy my functionally infinite magick

[upper rapids]

na

[ocean ibex]

who the hell said flood gain

[spiral wadi]

flood gain is pretty good

[upper rapids]

flood gain

[ocean ibex]

no no no no no no no

[past salmon]

Flood gain is okayge

[sand crow]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bCitJsH8fO6R27962GAU5bEfXeQ5aeRSnmqUAccvabU/edit?usp=sharing
also i made this calculator so you can see more effectively how much magick you actually have

[spiral wadi]

where's my desmos formula /j

[upper rapids]

you have not seen a pommed heroic flood gain bnreaking the game

[ocean ibex]

those 8 seconds will always haunt me

[sand crow]

you'll have to copy the sheet but if anyone wants it it's yours my friend as long as you have enough rupees

I feel like with flood gain you need to take hecuba tho

[spiral wadi]

flood gain be fine until you realize the 8 second timer starts after flood gain expires

[upper rapids]

do note that if youve a costly move like 40+ the last few bits of magick wont be restored

[past salmon]

Flood gain is still fine just worse

[upper rapids]

like if you get to 35 magick and u need 40 u miss out on a bit

[ocean ibex]

my most used weapon is charon so i am quite biased against flood gain

[past salmon]

Anyways all my homies know the true best gain is Unseen Arcana frfr

[sand crow]

Yeah, my formula takes that into account by rounding down

[upper rapids]

chaos gain

[past salmon]

Chaos is fake

[upper rapids]

i shall not stand such slander

[sand crow]

okay but lowkey real, it just sucks that it's locked behind 5 grasp lmao

[spiral wadi]

grisly gain,,

[ocean ibex]

i love spamming 100 cost Ospecial on charon

[sand crow]

once I equipped chaos egg and pulled chaos gain after literally saying "give me gain" and it was magical

[past salmon]

Unseen is genuinely good
It was used back in early patches at very high fear

[sand crow]

grisly gain on aspect of exhaust riser goes VERY hard

[upper rapids]

if it was 3 grasp tho..

[past salmon]

The problem is that Hecuba kinda just outclasses it as an early magick problem fix

[spiral wadi]

vow of panic meta

[upper rapids]

ok so third keepsake incoming and i already have a good core build for medea
do i take heph/apollo as a 5th for security/light smite?
onion free heal?
athena or hammer?

[sand crow]

whats panic again i can't remember names

[past salmon]

Even after panic got boomed it was used

[ocean ibex]

DAMN i forgot about panic

[past salmon]

Hecuba was what killed it

[upper rapids]

was that when u started with 0 magick or

[ocean ibex]

panic made you start each location with 0 magick

[sand crow]

OH MY GOSH that was hilarious

throwback to free Huntress lmao

[ocean ibex]

vow of abandon 😄

[upper rapids]

flood gain stocks if panic still existed >>>

[spiral wadi]

if ur confident in olympus u can do athena olympus onion summit

[ocean ibex]

flood gain would be awesome if it actually flooded your magic bar

[upper rapids]

oh i was thinking knucklebones summit hmm

[spiral wadi]

hmm tru what's ur time looking like

[ocean ibex]

onion summit??/

oh the ghost onion lol

[upper rapids]

6:22 spent 7:37 left

[spiral wadi]

oh time 2 ez

[upper rapids]

didnt start olympus yet so add more time
i forgot to turn on time 3

[ocean ibex]

awesome gif

[upper rapids]

yea i timed out with hel against prom THRICE so i got pissed off

[sand crow]

thank you lmao i thought it would actually send the gif

[upper rapids]

and forgot to change it lmao

[spiral wadi]

lol nice, yea security system could also be worth it considering how crazy olympus entrances can get

[ocean ibex]

have yall seen the clip in feedback

#h2-feedback message

[spiral wadi]

ye

i'm just reminded of that one clip in oceanus where they drop into a room and get instantly projectile spammed

[upper rapids]

yea im thinking apollor or heph
light smite goated free daze
heph goated free armor

hammer is too random and i only really would want possessed
athena i can still find naturally
onion, maybe i can expedite a health from hermes

[ocean ibex]

if you have heinous youi need light smite

[spiral wadi]

u got hordes/grit on? natural athena tends to be a 4-waver

ig ur on time 2 so it's fine as long as u can deal with the enemies

[upper rapids]

1 grit , baby grit

[upper rapids]

spawn into one of those anchor dudes earlier today
and also an autoseeker

[ocean ibex]

17 huge autoseekers beaming you from across the room

[upper rapids]

imma go apollo and ball hopefully

[ocean ibex]

bro earlier i had a run where a Big President Sky-Dracon was just flying around the room until i cleared 3 waves of olympus enemies

incredible pain

[upper rapids]

if my defense is rough into summit i can go knuckle, athena or 6th heph

big president lmao

[spiral wadi]

6th heph sounds like a sacrifice jumpscare

[ocean ibex]

like it has the Fang where it cant die until its the last enemy

and is big

[upper rapids]

yup ik but caling it president is funny

[ocean ibex]

i dont know the fang perks by name anymore 😔

[upper rapids]

wait
chaos cast dmg + scorch + pyro + highly + medea

we goated?

[spiral wadi]

this is what they intended in patch 11

[ocean ibex]

you just know they are nerfing medea in 1.0

[spiral wadi]

hedging my bets circe's getting nerfed and medea untouched

[ocean ibex]

#NERFPAN

[upper rapids]

natural athena yay and didnt even need her to clear the waves

[sand crow]

Please don't put that energy into the world Circe is finally a viable aspect with a freaking awesome mechanic don't take this away from her

#nerfsupay it's gotta be +5% rush boon or bust

[spiral wadi]

tbh i think the best nerf circe can get is just reducing the base cast size a little bit so it's not as area denial dominating while still remaining strong

[sand crow]

I think that's fair, maybe like 10-20% reduction in size?

Also is it just me or does Nergaoul feel borderline unusable sometimes? Like, specifically with vow of frenzy rivals eris

I remember once I had the +speed attack hammer and the epic +attack speed Hermes boon and even with berserk active the startup was so hard to handle

[upper rapids]

i dont enjoy axe in general so like yea maybe

[sand crow]

I am a firm than axe believer lol

[upper rapids]

had some awful experiences with than couple days ago, not for me

[digital juniper]

i also am, a big bonk enjoyer

[median anvil]

based

[glossy rivet]

does the +50 damage from ares wounds get buffed from boons?

[median anvil]

it benefits from any %boosts you have, including the one specified on ares' boon itself

[glossy rivet]

does the +50 damage get boosted alongside the weapons normal damage? like if i use a dagger attack with 10 base damage, does that mean i deal 60 base damage that then gets boosted by % boons?

maybe sweeping ambush with ares atk can cook

[median anvil]

yeah but that +50 power is only applied once every 3 seconds

[tall notch]

because it has a cooldown you would be better off going with another attack. Because it applies wounds, Ares attack has a lower % scaling than most others

[surreal hazel]

Nah. It's fine. It's a cooldown per enemy. If you sweep a crowd with it they all get wounded

[tall notch]

are you not going to have a hard time against beefier enemies?

[surreal hazel]

Hope for grievous blow?

[tall notch]

for that you could just click ares special and an actually useful attack

It's viable but I see no reason to do it over the alternatives like hera or apollo atk

if you want % on blades

[glossy rivet]

isnt sweeping already a good 400%? do hammer % bonuses count differently than boon % bonuses?

[median anvil]

nope they're the same

the issue is you're dealing all that damage in a single hit, which makes it less valuable against wards and armored enemies

[uneven palm]

Ares attack and the big +% hammers are pretty good on Artemis O attack spam builds

[surreal hazel]

With a +400% bonus what you want is more base power from something like wicked onslaught or something that enhances it in some other way like nova strike. The bonus is already so big that more +% damage isn't really doing much

So vicious strike does make sense for raw damage since it adds more base power

[glossy rivet]

Artemis oatk spam with apollo legendary could be rad too

[surreal hazel]

If you can keep up with the mana cost

[glossy rivet]

is grievous blow basically like a minicrit? multiplicative 200% damage? can it also stack with actual crit?

[surreal hazel]

It's basically a minicrit. Not sure how they stack

[glass shell]

yes they stack

[glossy rivet]

this can cook

[glass shell]

theoretically yes

realistically not really to be relied on

[surreal hazel]

Additively or multiplicatively?

[glass shell]

that one reddit guy got a like 20k damage shiva o attack tho so i mean cook

[glass shell]

mult. different effects

[surreal hazel]

As in. Is it +300% final danage or x2 x3

Wow okay. Balatro style

[edgy nacelle]

does mutual destruction (if I'm remembering the name right) also stack multiplicatively? fun if it does, altho not exactly reliable to get all three to proc at once

[surreal hazel]

In fact balatro is a very good way to understand hades2 damage systems

[glass shell]

additive iirc

[surreal hazel]

Power is chips. +% is mult. Crit is Xmult

[glass shell]

tldr

• Take base damage
• add power
• multiply by the sum of all valid % increases
• check for crit (if yes multiply by 3)
• check for ares Double Damage (if yes multiply by 2)
• air quality

[glossy rivet]

lol air quality applying last

[surreal hazel]

Check for crit by rolling each crit source or adding them all together first then rolling?

[edgy nacelle]

oooh ok, interesting. so grievous and mutual are kind of the same thing, just with different trigger conditions and ig the ability to additively stack. neat.
mutual + crit is probably easier to make consistent overall too, at low fear when you don't need to worry about chilling at low hp

[median anvil]

mutual is also multiplicative, BUT it's chances are added up with grevious blow

[glass shell]

all crit is the same thing

[median anvil]

add them all together

[glass shell]

only difference is if its conditional or not. Artemis is attacks and specials only for instance, while raki and pp is global

[surreal hazel]

Right

[edgy nacelle]

makes sense! ares offbrand crits are additive with each other but still multiplicative with other stuff, got it

[cerulean panther]

@lime nest #h2-feedback message I'm reminded of the "Translate Star Wars into Mandarin with Google Translate and then back and use those subtitles" meme.

[glass shell]

not additive with eachother

[edgy nacelle]

OH

[glass shell]

they are the same thing just the chances to apply it go up

[edgy nacelle]

aw boo, so max is x2 from ares sources total no matter what

[glass shell]

correct

[edgy nacelle]

that's a shame but makes sense lol

[tall notch]

Morrigan gamers, what's your favourite build for that aspect rn? I am finding that I start off really strong with the things I try (I did Hestia, Apollo, Hera attacks already) but I don't really scale that well. By third region (whichever route it is) it feels like I am barely dealing any damage

[olive sphinx]

I only go for the morrigan-specific hammers that help me scale the blood triad, that seems to help!

[cerulean panther]

Your fastest Omega move is your Omega Special. If you find yourself struggling to get Blood Triads off because of how long the Omega Attack can take (it's definitely the one you want to use the most) try to get comfortable using the OS occasionally as your trigger.

[tall notch]

oh that's a good one!

[cerulean panther]

The slow travel rate means you can then kite the axes into more enemies to set up more Blood Triads.

Actually, speaking more broadly, see about finagling your triggers into hitting an enemy more than once, or hitting multiple enemies.

Helps keep the 777 pops flowing a little more smoothly. Mix Hera into that and you become a room-clearing machine.

[olive sphinx]

I never use o-specials on morrigan, in my experience it's much much worse for proccing blood triad...
like yeah it launches faster but then those blades tkae FOREVER to come back to you, I just rely on the o-attack

idk I dont vibe with that rhythm of having to run away from my own daggers i guess...

plus my current rotation of "special -> dash-strike into o-attack" works pretty consistently for the blood triads

[cerulean panther]

That's the ideal way of doing it.

[brave dove]

what you can do with ospec is throw it out during downtime and use it as a sprint boon for the proc in combination with normal play

it has a regular cd on top of the reset on catch you can spec again without catching it

[tall notch]

oooooooo that sounds cool

[brave dove]

it's fairly niche I mostly get use of the strat against chronos to set up when you can't hit him

[sudden marlin]

i have minor problem...i get to olymp, to promtheus, but didnt unlock ares :/

is ares removed from game or something?

[glass shell]

prometheus isn't the final boss.

[sudden marlin]

.....i need get to that big monster? ;-;

[glass shell]

yes

meet, not beat.

[empty harness]

I fr wish that the o special and base special didn’t need block each other it feels really bad and basically forces us to only use o attack which is a shame

[olive sphinx]

Yeah I don't disagree.. It does feel like using an o-spec messes with my ability to proc the blood triad so much

[empty harness]

Because hidden knives + exceptional talent is too funny not to be viable on morrigan’s blood triads

[empty harness]

The multi-hits and return features of specials and o specials also have clear synergy with blood triad, and would reward good timing and positioning when they are out with higher blood triad dps

[uneven palm]

I only O special on Morrigan when it's a big baddie and the Omega is the last thing I need

just to get a second Omega applied immediately for the next triad

[surreal hazel]

Ospecial is the quickest, but also locks out regular special so ehhhhh

Ocast with WC though...

[neon crown]

what is usually the god you wanna go for with shiva?

[surreal hazel]

Apollo because nova works well on both buttons

Shiva is quite mana hungry and not a rapid attacker so factor that in

Grisly and cardio gain aren't exactly ideal, for example

[neon crown]

thx

[pseudo pond]

are there any dou that's especially good on medea?

[surreal hazel]

Blitz

Blitz special that gets procced immediately by your attack.

[neon crown]

is the power shot hammer additive or multiplicative with destructive?

[pseudo pond]

so, arphro?

[surreal hazel]

If it's +%. It's additive

[pseudo pond]

haven't really utilized zeus/arphro duo yet

[surreal hazel]

Or a curse on hit effect to get origination.

[pseudo pond]

ah

[surreal hazel]

So like, ares

[pseudo pond]

I tried the ares/zeus combo

was pretty good

[surreal hazel]

Don't spamload your attack. One will do most of the time

[pseudo pond]

yeah

[glass shell]

generally speaking assume everything is additive

only thing mult is crit, ares minicrit and a few things im forgetting cause its so niche

[surreal hazel]

Power can be though of as multiplicative with +%

[glass shell]

yeah cause its not the same thing

[surreal hazel]

Chips. Yes

[shy hearth]

Any good ||Hel|| builds?

[pseudo pond]

mostly just poseidon or hestia on attack

and paired with stuff like ares/poseidon duo, or hestia/demeter/zeus stuff

[shy hearth]

hm alright, are there any interesting/good heph builds for any weapon?

[quasi kayak]

What's the build with Morrigan and Hestia attack?
I just tried Hestia attack + freezer burn, but freezer burn didn't really do a lot

[glass shell]

i think that was a build just because hestia was turbo broken at start of unseen

it destroys wards i guess but i don't think i'd put hestia morrigan anywhere near a "build" though

[quasi kayak]

Oh, that makes more sense

[surreal hazel]

Persephone. Highrolll a high level volcanic boon

[formal pulsar]

Every single damage buff in this game is additive except crit and ares mini crit.

Because of the dmg formula some other things are multiplicative like double strike or pyro technique.

[quasi kayak]

What to do with aspect of Selene?

[glass bone]

Go for the Godsent and maximize the Hex.

OSpecial is better to build up the Hex each time than OAttack or OCast

[quasi kayak]

Yeah but what works best for omega special? Just Ares?

[glass shell]

I personally prefer the omega attack, higher bulk mana dumping, conditional defense and large damage

plus its a budget shiva with how shine gives +% damage

[glass bone]

I think you take Ares Attack/Special to start to find the one boon that requires it, then switch off of it to something else (which may also require a duo)

[olive sphinx]

what about alternating o-attack with o-special and have the night arcana on?

[glass bone]

It’s been a bit since I’ve used Selene, but I know it’s very strong.

[glass shell]

theoretically good, clunky in practice imo but thats prob a me issue

[quasi kayak]

The hell...
Rivals poly just completely destroyed me

Just goes to show that coat completely sucks

[glass bone]

Need tips?

Also, what coat?

[quasi kayak]

Nah I've beaten him plenty before
For some reason I just took a lot (3 DD's worth) of damage

[quasi kayak]

Selene

[sage flame]

the godsent is pretty darn good and worth i think

[sand crow]

Hey, so if I'm trying to build Heinous Affront Medea, should I take common Light Smite or take a different Apollo boon and wait for it to appear again at a higher rarity later?

[glass shell]

always light smite

rarity is nice, but just having it period is the good thing

[sand crow]

This reddit post written by Mynt and Foolish is pretty cool ngl. Might have some out-of-date stuff since it was written a few months back but from what I remember pretty much all of this is still relevant (note that the name of one of the Selene Path of Stars options has changed, can't remember which tho)

[median anvil]

wasn't this written WAY before godsents?

[civic ocean]

Yeah

I can do some guide stuff on Mel Coat and Selene later but tldr for Selene the Pants of Ares is OP

[sand crow]

Yeah it was lol

Still, I do think the core strategy of what it was communicating isn't out of date, even if it's not current by any means

[shy hearth]

honestly rivals poly is the hardest other than the final bosses (in terms of the difficulty spike)

[sand crow]

also holy crap heinous affront is ridiculous

[glass bone]

And now it’s even better than Patch 9 since now you can start with either Sword Hilt or Moon Beam.

If I had to guess, Selene Surface runs would start with Moon Beam more often, and Underworld with a mix of the two, since it’s more likely to find Ares as a starter in Ephyra than Erebus.

[shy hearth]

what are the most OP builds in general

like the meta or whatever

[glass bone]

All weapons have an OP build at 32, even 50

[sand crow]

Yeah lol, what weapon do you have in mind

[glass bone]

But in terms of right now……. Medea with Zeus Special, Hera Attack, and either Storm or Smolder Ring is probably the strongest damage wise, but I’d honestly say I prefer Circe Storm Ring for 32-50+ since it’s so much easier to control imo.

[sand crow]

also is it worth being extremely silly and forcing Hera in Olympus to get a Kings Ransom?

[glass bone]

No, it can work.

[shy hearth]

oh damn I thought anubis was the OP one

for sub 16 heat what's generally the most OP build

[glass bone]

Sub 16… Medea. 100% Medea.

Anubis is really strong, but I have been liking Circe more and more as of late.

It’s a bias

[shy hearth]

how are you supposed to play Medea? It didn't really click for me.

[glass bone]

Load Attack, Special, repeat

[sand crow]

Circe is really fun, I like to use Circe with Froth because the leash can proc it really fast

[glass bone]

You don’t need to load several attacks at once, but if there’s downtime, I guess you could.

[sand crow]

Yeah, you basically swipe your thumb across from attack to special

[glass bone]

Also, there’s a bug that I think still exists where the +90% applies to Storm and Smolder Ring

Though perhaps they patched it when they test added (or accidentally added) achievements for like a day or two

[shy hearth]

uhhh don't judge but I play mouse and kb but yeah I get the idea

[glass bone]

Anyway, point is; at 16 Fear, there’s an OP build for every single weapon. Even the “bad weapons”.

[sand crow]

Ahhh yeah medea def flows better with controller because you don't have to worry about aiming

[glass bone]

Like a lot of people don’t think Mel Axe is in a good place, but I cleared it a while back at 32 with a 14 minute time. Everything works for the difficulty range the game expects you to do (32 Fear on both routes / 32 Underworld 24 Surface)

[sage flame]

im on mkb and medea still is comfy, just gotta move your mouse to aim specials

[shy hearth]

what are the "bad weapons" anywyas? all the mel aspects?

[sand crow]

wait so like... should I get hera into olympus for kings ransom

Also yeah the specific aspects matter a lot less at lower Fear because anything works

You can realistically get a build going with even suboptimal core Boons and you're still chillin

[glass bone]

Mel Axe is probably the weakest, though its benefits lends itself greatly for a First Clear.
After that… Pan is in a bad spot if you don’t aim for Trick Knives (I think)…
From there, I’d say Mel Skulls and Coat for arguably being outclassed by the others in its category like Mel Axe.

[shy hearth]

damn Pan is bad? I thought it was the best blade aspect
is morrigan considered the best blade aspect then?

[glass bone]

Well here’s the thing. Pan was the best blade aspect for its Poseidon Special build. But that got nuked in like.. Patch 8 and 9. So if you don’t aim for Trick Knives, it’s not super strong.

In regards to best blade… Morrigan is probably the best… Artemis is fun, though the missable crits stinks when I can’t get my 9 OAttack crit chances.

Mel Staff was nerfed from +60 to +40 and that’s unfortunate, but it can still work.
Mel Blades plays very similarly to Artemis probably, so it’s outclassed but not in the same way as Skulls
And Mel Torches is probably the best of the Mel Aspects (though Staff is potentially equal or better) for its Fine Line / Ocean Swell build.

Well… hmmm… okay, I’m going to rework this.

[sand crow]

Oh... Should I get Kings Ransom (only losing 1 Hera boon) or Shocking Loss??

[glass bone]

What point of the run are you at?

[shy hearth]

king's ransom

[spiral wadi]

shocking loss prob gonna pay more than ransom

[sand crow]

I'm in Olympus, just beat mini boss

[glass bone]

How many Zeus boons do you have?

I imagine at-least 3…

[spiral wadi]

u can roll for insta-kill typhon eggs

[sand crow]

I am running a common Blitz and I have 3 others

[quasi kayak]

Psychic wirlwind + exceptional talent + nergal = stonks

[sand crow]

Wait and I'm using Heinous Affront... That would be hilarious

[glass bone]

Ooh… that’s tough. If you struggle against the mini bosses and Prom or Typhon, I feel like King’s Ransom may be better?

It’s +16 poms vs a 25% chance to kill each regular enemy faster (most important being the Typhon eggs and the rocketeers in Prom), essentially

[sand crow]

Yeaaaaah I'm not having problems clearing rooms rn, I'll probably just do ransom

[civic ocean]

Pan’s regular special is pretty strong, with Hera and Huntress and a good cast that turns on Origination it can definitely go crazy at 32 and below even if you whiff trick knives

[sand crow]

It's probably not smart to bank on getting another Hera boon and then another Zeus and THEN pulling the duo again

[glass bone]

I know Pan can still be strong at 32 and below, but I haven’t used Pan since Patch 9, and all I keep hearing is “Look at how they massacred my boy”

Arguably this is just parroting…

[civic ocean]

Yeah I mean the Omega Special is pretty awful

[glass bone]

Ok, now I’m doing the Mel Aspects…

Each of the Mel Aspects ranked;

1. Torch
2. Staff
3. Blades
4. Coat
5. Skulls
6. Axe.

Torch and Staff are essentially equals. Gap between them and the rest. Blades and Coat are probably equals too.

[civic ocean]

They’re all about the same I think

Maybe blades are a bit worse

[glass bone]

All the same? What build is comparable in Mel Axe than Fine Line / Ocean Swell Torches?

[civic ocean]

Mel Axe is just a really strong aspect that gets overshadowed by the fact that Thanatos and Nergal are better than it

It still goes crazy with rapid slash/dashing heave and a good % boon on it like Apollo or Aphrodite

Like it’s the worst axe but all of the axes are insane

[glass bone]

I guess that’s the thing. “What do I get out of this aspect that I can’t with others? And how strong is it?” Fine Line / Ocean Swell can be done with Moros Torches, but I feel like they run different things.

[civic ocean]

It’s a really good candidate for the Spiritual Affirmation + Mutual Destruction combo too due to how much HP you can have if you start Frinos

[glass bone]

With Mel Axe, I’d rather pick Nergal for its survivability.

[shy hearth]

Is there a spreadsheet or a tier list or something for builds? I used something like that for Hades 1

[glass bone]

In theory, in regards to the “general plan” these Mel aspects want to do…
Mel Staff is outclassed by Anubis
Mel Blades is outclassed by Morrigan and Artemis
Mel Torches is outclassed by Moros (and maybe Supay)
Mel Axe is outclassed by Thanatos and Nergal
Mel Skulls is outclassed by Hel.
And Mel Coat is outclassed by Nyx

But they are good weapons regardless for 32 and below.

[civic ocean]

Sure I guess but Nergal isnt a mel aspect right

And especially if you are a new player you like have to unlock Nergal and in the meantime Mel Axe is one of the easiest early weapons in the game to win on I think

[glass bone]

There are builds out there, but I feel like outside of H2Crossroads by Autumn (and looking at what people have done for 32-62), an actual spreadsheet or video of builds won’t be made until 1.0, because each of these patches have felt substantially different in “the meta”.

[shy hearth]

what's h2crossroads

[glass bone]

This is the first message I found with the link

It’s a webpage documenting all runs from Patch 9 to 11 that are 32+

Or at-least submitted runs.

[sand crow]

Lol I ended up getting Shocking Loss anyway

[glass bone]

As it stands, there are runs for every single aspect in Patch 11 at 32+ except for Charon Underworld (which I just did a few hours ago) and Mel Blades Underworld (no submissions yet I think).

[civic ocean]

I am really leery of doing more guide content before 1.0 but we’ll see

[glass shell]

not necessarily submitted, he also yoinks some from the victory posting and speedcord

its basically just high fear req which isn't a large sample size

[glass bone]

Oh. I swear I thought I was required to submit my run myself.

[civic ocean]

You are usually, patch 11 was just barren so he pulled a bunch if stuff to populate it

[shy hearth]

oops

holy moly medea skull is broken
got zeus special and then king's ransomed it, and then got ares attack and the all 4 shells at once hammer
nutty run

[digital juniper]

speaking of, how do you guys build medea? i just tried a run, really like how it plays but i just got destroyed against poly

[formal pulsar]

Just slight correction, pan blades best build has been and still is trick knives pan with no ospecial plays. Just straight dash strikes spam. It is just that build is hammer dependent and was discovered sometime late in the warsong patch.

Mynt has a 55f hitless run with it last patch (when that was max fear) and the only 67f clear that we know off was made with trick knives pan by mynt but he refused to share it beside the win screenshot because it was seeded (guaranteeing trick knives first room) and he didn’t want the first 67f to be seeded.

That build is still largely untouched but it is boring to reroll till you get that 1 hammer. But hey I guess it is similar to Nergal and psychic whirlwind.

[digital juniper]

hera attack, zues special, dem cast and a few random boons

[glass bone]

And that’s why I said “So if you don’t aim for Trick Knives, it’s not very strong”. But the part of Poseidon OSpecial is my bad. I had heard about the combo, and also all the complaints and assumed that’s the defacto Pan build prior to the Pan nerfs.

[glass bone]

That’s pretty much how you build it. Zeus Special and Hera Attack. If I remember correctly, you can aim for Possessed Array and like… Born Gain or Ionic Gain maybe. But the standard build is what you did. Just remember that using Special does not do the same as using Dash for avoiding attacks.

[formal pulsar]

What you got is pretty good already. Best traditional build imo is ares attack, Zeus special and go for grievous blow and heinous affront with Apollo light smite. You can also go Hera and Demeter for fine line and weed killer if you get possessed array(the best hammer for the skull by far).

Medea is also bugged atm and it adds it damage to hestia and Zeus casts so some current builds play with that.

Finally some speedrunner experimented with heph attack and got new world records

[digital juniper]

yeah i think thats where im messing up with. im almost always using the special instead of dashing, and being too reckless with it and getting damaged consistently.

[digital juniper]

i actually haven't seen ares at all yet. so dont have the chance to go with that build. been trying to go for possesive array but no luck yet.

the way to go about it is load one skull into special, rinse and repeat, right?

[formal pulsar]

yup that how you it plays. if you havent seen ares, just keep playing. dont wanna spoil how you get him. but I could if you really want to.

[digital juniper]

i think i'd like to keep it as a surprise. i've gotten to olympus 3(?) times and the summit only once. my guess is he'll show up somewhere there. Thanks for offering though!

[civic ocean]

And Charon and Giga Cleaver IMO

To me the hammer dependent weapon is blades and then it’s by aspect

Inverted Spark is close to being mandatory on Mel Flames but not quite

Dashing Heave is similar for Mel Axe

[digital juniper]

yeah that was defintely it. i paid more attention to dash to avoid attacks instead of using teh special and i took signficantly less damage.

[civic ocean]

One general piece of advice I give for every surface boss is that I feel like they punish you really hard for damage trading with them but they all get easier if you chill out and take your time and focus on them and not you

[digital juniper]

i agree, i've definitely noticed thats the case. thing is i still have some muscle memory/mindset from H1 where i just recklessly try to get as much damage in. Only fight i really was careful in was Hades himself

[glass bone]

Wait, Inverted is the best for Mel Flames?

I was thinking the best is Furious Blaze

[digital juniper]

got 2nd hammer at olympus, no possesive array. rip

[glass bone]

You could roll it three times with Experimental Hammer at 3rd region

Well it would be 3, 1, 3 for options, also there’s a chance the second hammer could show only 1 or 2 new hammer options.

[civic ocean]

It makes the attacks linger so they can hit multiple targets

[glass bone]

I was thinking Furious due to the attack speed giving more Ocean Swells / Fine Lines

[civic ocean]

So the thing with Mel Flames is that AFAIK Fine Line Cut Above etc cannot actually crit with the 10% crit chance

So you can play it that way but you also get a lot out of the aspect if you play it with Huntress + Ares

[median anvil]

mel torch crit is only for attacks and specials

[digital juniper]

see that would've been a great idea, had i not completely forgot about the keepsake

[median anvil]

omega effects can't crit on it

[digital juniper]

lost 3 DDs at prom, lets see how far into summit i can make it now

[civic ocean]

Yeah I can see why people do just stack those effects on it anyways though if you get your omega speed up its a lot of dmg

[median anvil]

play it safe, go reach the final boss to unlock the last god of the game ‼️

[glass bone]

Ok, actually, I got an idea.

What is the most common Mel Coat build?

[median anvil]

the most common mel coat playstyle is to go back to the training grounds and pick any of the other 23 aspects

[glass bone]

No, seriously, what is the high fear build?

[digital juniper]

https://imgur.com/a/bJmcq21 so much for playing it safe, lol

(i have no idea how to embed images into discord directly)

[median anvil]

chinese high fear guy used zeus special, poseidon attack and zeus chain lightning

[median anvil]

you're doing good keep pushing!!

[glass bone]

Ok. Really dumb idea. Ocean Swell Mel Coat. You “tap channel” 1 or 2 missiles in OSpecial. It’s less than Mel Torches.

[median anvil]

uhhh sure go try it

[digital juniper]

yeahhhh i got destroyed by the spawn of typhon, lol (i think thats what hes called? he's still "???" to me)