h2-builds-and-combat

[willow phoenix]

Dps difference on different runs could be from many different factors though

I hit 12k+ damage from Dark Side on Typhon with SD

[undone tapir]

like ur pink number was 12k? damn

[willow phoenix]

Yeah per use, if it does works the difference isn't going to be big anyway I think

Since dark side godsent has a max of 3 heatthrobs at the same time but regen it really fast

[civic ocean]

It also doesn’t remove the keepsake’s effect if you have it

[undone tapir]

yeah i think the cap on heartthrobs is what stops it from going crazy, i was just thinking that the dps difference would be night and day

i'm not gonna be too annoyed about it even w/o SD it basically phases typhon anyways

[glass shell]

are we sure of this as of the latest patch

cause now the keepsake gets used on the room before with the name

[willow phoenix]

Yeah it's already tons of dps lol

[glass shell]

or is that just visual flair and doesn't actually consume the keepsake

[civic ocean]

Its just visual IIRC

Behaviour seems the same I haven’t noticed a change

[undone tapir]

ive gotten the visual flair to pop up multiple times in the same region so doesn't seem like ignoring a god on ur keepsake/eating onion actually deactivates the likelihood boost granted by the keepsake

[glass shell]

neat

[uneven palm]

Behaviors the same as before, yeah

[past salmon]

can confirm

[willow phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1297509307901808664/1402481114534252628/image.png?ex=689411d2&is=6892c052&hm=3048bfee6c6f8690bfb30c6740f9e3d263167f518df90e9accd45fd8dce177bd&
13k actually lol

[uneven palm]

#h2-feedback message @glass shell I think of Personal Loan as “here buy out the Hermes shop before Summit and then some.” That isn’t a terrible deal from a NPC imo

[glass shell]

Main issue here is that in most of my runs i ALREADY buy out the useful stuff hermes shrine post prometheus AND i got to buy something at the shop before prom too

Like am i #rich express shipping it? hell no

but i don't NEED armor so i can skip that but usually can buy the boon+heart it offers if possible.

And like i said if dio comes early and you hit a mid shop, well thats minus TWO shops you could've bought at and are likely net negative entirelyt

at best you break even with that boon imo, never positive

[uneven palm]

Man I’m usually broke in Olympus. 300-500 free gold ain’t terrible.

[glass shell]

maybe im just too quick buck pilled

or your too debt stockholm'd

[olive sphinx]

same here, so I agree with Bacon

[past salmon]

im too travel deal pilled
infinite brokeness

[glass shell]

but thats even worse synergy with travel deal 😭

[olive sphinx]

that too lmaoo

[glass shell]

you lose out on buying at the olympus end shop with a guaranteed <150 double up

meanwhile if you buy the 150 gold item at the endshop of summit it freshes to a like 400 gold thing

[uneven palm]

Like if you’re walking into Dio with 47 gold that boon starts looking pretty sweet

[glass shell]

i 100% agree. I just have quite literally never had that scenario happen

[past salmon]

nah I mean
I agree personal loan kinda ass lmao

[glass shell]

Hell the last time i made a dio feedback i was convinced that it was literally hard coded to not show up if you had >100 gold or something

so i asked chat and checked myself and no prereq was there

[uneven palm]

I mean it’s mid I’m too addicted to grape juice

[glass shell]

i ONLY get offered loan when i had like 300 gold and im literally this is useless.jpg at it

[olive sphinx]

how do you use grape juice?? i swear every time i pick it up i end up accidentally attacking and wasting all of the power 😭

[uneven palm]

Its absolutely busted on moves where one click -> many hits: Anubis attack, blades o special, torch o specials, wide grin, Persephone o special, coat o specials

[past salmon]

grape juice is pog

[timber pawn]

You just have to remember to use it on an attack or special and not a cast drop lol

[uneven palm]

Storm Ring grape juice isn’t awful

[past salmon]

does it effect arctic gale tho

if only 😔

[willow phoenix]

I remember it affecting arctic ring

[spiral wadi]

wait isn't it only supposed to proc on atk/special

[uneven palm]

It says “next move” I think

[willow phoenix]

Grape Juice: Gives your very next move +100 Power, then later reappears in a random spot.

[spiral wadi]

ah i see

imagine it procs for smolder ring

[willow phoenix]

so I got curious and tested it on pony mod, it does work with Dark Side Godsent but yeah the increase isn't 3x damage lol. Without any other upgrades it went from 3.5k to 4.9k

[uneven palm]

3.5k at base is bananas

You’re lucky to get that out of a double total eclipse nuke

[uneven palm]

Wanna test Grape Juice godsent phase shift maybe??????

[willow phoenix]

It's not exactly base since I did get a single 20% damage node and I'm using strength

[uneven palm]

Still not bad for being unkillable

[glass shell]

idk if those count "moves"

but its not like its core defined with a tooltip..... sgg wording strikes again.

Surely it set to weaponset so attack/specials/cast and not.... literally any damage

[uneven palm]

I mean probably but I can dream

[willow phoenix]

testing hexes with pony is such a pain lol

[glass shell]

easier than heph leg at least

[undone tapir]

Oh okay interesting, definitely not the most straightforward interaction 😅

[willow phoenix]

I think it just crashes when I load into a boss fight with bottomless drink lol

[civic ocean]

Wait does bottomless drink apply to olympian damage from casts? Surely not right

[willow phoenix]

It works with arctic and storm ring somehow, dunno about other casts

[civic ocean]

Can you test it with Prominence Flare

[willow phoenix]

I keep crashing when loading with bottomless drink lol

[civic ocean]

Oh is it not like a consumable you can spawn

[willow phoenix]

Huh I didn't check that honestly

[civic ocean]

If it works with Glorious Disaster that is an amazing build

[willow phoenix]

there's an option but doesn't seem to work

[civic ocean]

Ah too bad

I think I have the only Reckless Abandon 50+F clear that we know of I could have embraced Grapeposting

Hmm no actually thats not a great name

[willow phoenix]

tbf grape juice working with storm ring and arctic ring is from old patch, I haven't really tested it on current

and considering they added a bunch of code for cast damage buff to finally work with cast it might be fixed, or got substantially buffed lol

[civic ocean]

It’s weird because its power right

Intuitively I would imagine prominence flare doesn’t work because otherwise Geyser Spout would work

With prom flare I mean

[willow phoenix]

cast damage code just seems very messy in general lol

considering they didn't put the cast damage buff fix in the patch notes it might just be a WIP overall

especially with the interaction with smolder ring lol

[round quartz]

How good even is Hestia's new legendary? I got it once and didn't really notice it

[willow phoenix]

Personally it's bad lol, like it has some use cases I guess but not nearly enough for a legendary

[round quartz]

Rather take like any other cast

Unless I happen to have Aphrodite in pool for burning desire duo

[willow phoenix]

imo the projectile deletion should just be a secondary effect while the legendary does something else

[round quartz]

Also smolder ring damage values are based around the old scorch tick rate

Not new so that doesn't help

[willow phoenix]

It's not that bad currently as the scorch values are somehow buffed by global damage buffs

[elfin forge]

yeah but it can't consistently keep scorch maintained which is kinda sad

[round quartz]

You mean the base scorch application values?

[willow phoenix]

They recently made a change to fix cast damage upgrades but the implementation in smolder ring is a bit buggy since it actually causes any damage buff like from furies or strength to increase the scorch numbers

[round quartz]

Me when hot pot doesn't always work when I only have cast

[elfin forge]

I don't think scorch application is increased with damage buffs

just scorch DPS

[willow phoenix]

It currently does with smolder ring only lol

[elfin forge]

it... does?

[round quartz]

Only time I would consider smolder ring would be Aphrodite in pool for the duo as well
Given I didn't start with scorch attack or special

[willow phoenix]

Yeah look at this
https://youtu.be/7jD0lQTmwZs?si=_NG4Klj_erAVvVMM
Reached 999 scorch quickly with just epic lvl 3 smolder

[elfin forge]

oh damn it's applying 210 scorch per tick

[willow phoenix]

Yeah with orig on it would've dealt more

[civic ocean]

Does anybody know what Raki's total crit chance is on a single target roughly

like the 4% + Marked's 15% over its uptime

[elfin forge]

hm lemme see

raki mark is basically 100% uptime, maybe like 90%

going off those very rough numbers, you're looking at like, 90% of 19% crit, 10% of 4% crit, averaging out to 17.5%?

[tough pasture]

i just got wiped by typon (his chin can do double damage?!?!?!?) but that was after the game wrecked me with the stupid ass minibosses.

The entire 4th region of the surface is just bs attack after bs attack after bs attack.

Too much health? Game will spam a bunch of enemies on top and underneath you and enemies will spin attack to make sure you 250 health is now 50 health 3 seconds.

And dio is garbage in this game. Not a single one of his boons is freaking worth a damn.

[ocean ibex]

worry free is great

[elfin forge]

I think that's a skill issue tbh, nonrivals nonshadows summit is very chill

[ocean ibex]

except for spawn of typhon

[elfin forge]

even spawn is chill

[tough pasture]

I hate 'em all. I just took dio so i could complete the fated prophecy.

[ocean ibex]

nah spawn is on crack or something

[elfin forge]

and yeah dio has good stuff. Fog, grape juice, worry free, I also like debt

Reckless is a meme though don't take it

[ocean ibex]

his boons would be great as like a first region npc. not as 3rd

[tough pasture]

Then it's a skill issue. It's not like I haven't completed 32 fear on surface but I hate the runs.

By comparison, I find 40+ fear runs in underworld to be a breeze short of rivals 3 and rivals 4.

The only silver lining of this loss is I finally got the love scene between melinoe and moros.

[elfin forge]

hm I still think summit overall is probably the easiest zone in the game, minus the rivals boss, even with fear on

[ocean ibex]

i think ephyra is kinda free

[willow phoenix]

honestly recently I've been finding surface runs easier than UW lol with rivals

[ocean ibex]

the surface kinda got nuked lol

[elfin forge]

yeah olympus got ripped

[ocean ibex]

ephyra isnt as hard as erebus because you get 10000 boons/upgrades

[tough pasture]

typhon is an unfair boss (not complaining, just saying) given how it chains certain attack combinations so there's no way to escape something in that chain of attacks.

Also fighting prometheus sucks because the camera keeps moving. I wish SgG would just do a fixed camera for that might that shows the entire arena.

I'm using a 3440x1440 monitor and the way the camera moves half the arena gets obscured. Why? WHY? Seriously Amir, WHY?

[elfin forge]

ephyra has pretty tough packs though

[elfin forge]

lol I find it harder when the camera is fixed because I can't use camera movement to gauge mel's movement

[ocean ibex]

the only really tough enemy is the slicer imo, which can be dealt with

[elfin forge]

example: When Rivals typhon does the Chronos phase, I kinda lose track of Mel

(the one that replaces zeus)

[formal pulsar]

Make sure to disable subtitles if you have them enabled

[tough pasture]

I just don't enjoy the boss fights in hades 2. none of them feel fun to me. they're chores.

<shrug>

[willow phoenix]

chronos blocks like half the screen here lol

[elfin forge]

doesn't he go away after a sec though iirc

[elfin forge]

idk I think they're way more fun then lernie or champions

[willow phoenix]

well yes but that can result in a hit if you're running around in the area he's blocking
I mostly just stay in Typhon's face and just dps race him now here

[formal pulsar]

I mainly playing high fear surface runs. When I started I thought unrivaled typhoon easier than chronos, but with pain 3, phase 4 typhon after the second egg phase can be serious bs. Fight is not easy at all imo.

[elfin forge]

yeah typhon after eggs 2 is some insane stuff

[willow phoenix]

typhon with pain 3 hit so hard lol

I do think I overall enjoy h2 boss fights more than h1, honestly I just like the overall mechanic more

H2 provides much more build routes and playstyles too, you can get giga strong much more easily here imo

[formal pulsar]

I feel like there is more aspect variety in h2. Like aspects are more uniquely different.

[elfin forge]

I can't speak too much on that because I dropped H1 after getting my statues and endings on just Shield lol

[tough pasture]

typhon in base does stupid damage. his laser alone does like 70. And if you're dealing with all the bs on screen, a player can get wiped for 140 points of health and that might just be 1 death defiance.

[willow phoenix]

I mean the big thing with Typhon fight is just that you really shouldn't be trading hits with him

[elfin forge]

oh he's not that bad (idk about the damage numbers I use strength)

[willow phoenix]

I think it's fairly doable to just no hit him especially with 0 frenzy

[elfin forge]

ye

he's kinda like an mmo boss in that way where you really can just dodge everything, with windups and stuff

[willow phoenix]

a big difference from Prom where I feel like most players just dps race while barely dodging his attacks lol

[elfin forge]

I'm just trying to avoid him spawning satyrs and aetos tbh

[uneven palm]

do rivals then the bird doesn't show up again. problem solved.

[tough pasture]

I just lost to him in 0 frenzy and so I'm feeling pretty damn terrible.

(In my defense, I hadn't dont surface runs in about 40 runs.)

[past salmon]

nah spawn of typhon is the easier miniboss to hitless I think

oh I was scrolled up a bit

[uneven palm]

don't compare yourself to some of the lunatics here with gazillions of hours

[elfin forge]

dude that's what I'm saying fr

[tough pasture]

lulz

I do wonder how some of the monstrous talents here are doing these runs so near perfectly.

Do they not have romantic partners? A job? Kids? Other responsibilities?

I'm lucky if I can play for 2-3 hours in a week.

[elfin forge]

wait 2-3 hours a week
no surface runs in 40 nights
3 nights per hour

Your last surface run was a month or two ago?

[tough pasture]

Yes.

(I'm not kidding. I checked the records to confirm.)

[civic ocean]

idk you can learn it like I am 35 years old and have fine motor deficiencies in my hands it's just about what you wanna do right. Record yourself playing the fight, watch what their patterns are, and then spend a few times when you get there like actively trying to avoid their attacks

Big guy in particular seems really scary but its attacks are reasonably predictable

[tough pasture]

I was playing on 18 heat but damn...I'm not feeling good right now after that loss to typhon.

(But I'm more annoyed about the prometheus fight.)

[uneven palm]

my dude you're out of practice. you're good. you'll get better.

[tough pasture]

In my defense, I was probably another 5 seconds away from beating typhon but "Woof!"

[uneven palm]

if you're getting wrecked by Prom have you seen my video about him?

[tough pasture]

Also, trying to get in some practice on morrigan. (I haven't played with it much. Did see Foolish's run on morrigan though.)

what's a good build on morrigan?

let's say I have hestia attack.
what else? zeus special?
demeter cast?

also, does apollo give massive AOE on morrigan?

[past salmon]

Zeus special is probs BiS
Zeus tends to just be the goat

Apollo does give massive AOE, Id say its BiS outside of very high fear runs

[tough pasture]

I did. I think I was far too impatient. I have a tendency to to melee style and that's not necessarily smart against prometheus.

[uneven palm]

it's actually real smart against him because you dash through him to dodge like everything

[civic ocean]

Yeah with Prometheus you either want to be quite a far distance away or right in front of him

[tough pasture]

Something about his attack patterns are messing with me at inopportune times. I was playing moros and...blah. It was terrible. To be fair, he 3 hit me for like 100 points but other than that 1 surge, I played near perfectly against him.

(And i love moros torches. Probably my favorite aspect in the game and the one I'm best at.)

[past salmon]

I dont like that prom wants to run away from me so much these days
minor gripe ive had while speedrunning surface

[tough pasture]

And suggestions for support boons? should I even bother with any sprint/rush boons?

[civic ocean]

Does non Rivals Prom still cheese it

[past salmon]

im like biased towards certain playstyles but my take on rush boons is that they are all useless except Apollo LMAO

[tough pasture]

Yes!

There are times where I think he's gonna chase me and he runs off.
And there's other times where I think he's gonna run off and then BAM 2-3 hit combo on me.

[uneven palm]

Morrigan best-in-slots are probably Zeus special and Apollo/Hera attack but IMO morrigan's a little build-agnostic. Triads do so much damage that either you get something insane like Apollo Legendary and Omega attacks WAAAAY top the board or Triads will be up there

[tough pasture]

😂

you value apollo's daze effect that highly, huh?

[uneven palm]

more like moving faster is good

[past salmon]

no I value the speed 😭
and easy curse proc for origination

[elfin forge]

Curse
Dodge chance
Move faster
Applies in wide area

[civic ocean]

Passion Rush is like "I probably won't reroll you" tier for me but otherwise if I am not playing Supay Blinding Rush is the only Rush I like to see

[tough pasture]

yeah, i figured that just from my 2 runs on it.

[uneven palm]

also moving a little faster kinda breaks the game a bit. you can avoid a lot of nonsense, esp on rivals fights

[past salmon]

Daze is great in general too tho
its just the best dash
Passion rush got nuked cuz Weak lasts all of zero seconds

and uhhh

Frigid rush sure is o-k

[tough pasture]

oh, i see. I often play without origination. (i'm cowardly and value mana regen too much.)

[elfin forge]

oh hey east there's a brethren of yours

[tough pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/zazu-cat-staring-cat-gun-funny-gif-12599517689531615171

(lol)

[civic ocean]

As long as our friend Cinematic understands that Unseen doesn't work very well with Moros

[elfin forge]

or torches in general, right?

[civic ocean]

Yes

The exception is Flood Gain

[uneven palm]

i haven't even tried. does Unseen even regen during the regular attacks?

[tough pasture]

all the torch aspects work great (even without origination) if you can stack multiple duos on it. But without multiple duos, it definitely feels lacking at times against guardians.

[civic ocean]

Unseen + Flood Gain is very very strong because Unseen will raise the FG mana cap during boss transitions/spawn transitions

[past salmon]

can u explain it to me like im stupid (I am)

[civic ocean]

explain what

[past salmon]

whatever tf this means

[ocean ibex]

oh it means your magick will refill past flood gain's soft magick cap

[civic ocean]

Any mana you spend while Flood Gain isn't active is mana you can't get back because Flood Gain only restores the mana spent while it is active

So if I have 200 mana and I spend 50 of it when FG is on cd I am now at 150 max mana rest of the fight, and so on

Unseen will move you up 30-40 mana of that cap during the time you are not casting

It's absolutely not worth 5 grasp but like its smth lol

[past salmon]

huh
i didnt know flood gain worked like that LMAO

[civic ocean]

Yeah I thought you could make the duration exceed the cooldown

[uneven palm]

yeah it's always 8s cooldown

after the duration

[civic ocean]

its kinda hokey but like if you want Unseen to go as far as you can its like the best use case for the Arcana card

[surreal hazel]

Perioids of free omegas even when empty is kinda nice

It's weirdly the most "I don't care how long your mana bar is" gain going

[uneven palm]

I've been findinig that Flood Gain + some max magick is just kinda sufficient for all but the greediest magick burn builds. You have infinite magick during the buff, and your bar covers when off

[junior trail]

does salvo work with flood gain

[surreal hazel]

Sure, why not?

[civic ocean]

Yeah for my insanely greedy Momus build I use Unseen partially so I can go ham earlygame pre gain and hunt for specifically flood

[surreal hazel]

How much did the momus nerf hurt it?

[civic ocean]

Here's a fun probability question!

I am in Ephyra and can see Ares, Zeus, and Apollo on my doors. I already have Ares' Strike boon. What order should I visit these gods to give myself the highest chance of Heinous Affront?

My thinking is Zeus-Apollo-Ares, because I have a higher chance of being shown Light Smite if I have two core boons, right?

[willow phoenix]

technically you can increase your max mana back if you reached low enough mana that your cost is higher than it lol

[past salmon]

Apollo and spend 10 rolls for light smite and then u have 2 chances to hit the duo ggez

[civic ocean]

I need a zeus boon to get the duo

[past salmon]

oh wait u dont have a zeus core yet
nvm just zeus apollo ares then

[civic ocean]

I am wondering if I reroll my reroll doors before or after going to see apollo

[uneven palm]

after Ares. anecdotally I find if you go to one god, then next door you roll has a very high probably of being the same god

[surreal hazel]

Light smite is the best revenge boon

[civic ocean]

I rolled after Zeus

got another zeus, didnt go in yet

[surreal hazel]

Kinda wish there were more like h1, especially considering that Retaliation is a night bloom upgrade

[uneven palm]

save that 2nd Zeus for after Ares, that's another shot at the duo (if Apollo behaves and you got light smite)

of course there's every chance that the gods tell you they hate your plans and none of this works lol

[willow phoenix]

retaliation is kinda fine since it's bright upgrade and can do silly damage, Tribulation on Moon Water as a sublime is a crime

[civic ocean]

missed lmao

[elfin forge]

f

[surreal hazel]

Ah yes. They really did have trouble making sublimes for that one

[willow phoenix]

meanwhile Panacea as bright upgrade lol

[surreal hazel]

Tbh it's biggest crime is conservation

No impetus to use it for its side benefits, just store it

[willow phoenix]

I think conservation is lowkey not needed tbh, like it's just feeding people's hoarding mindset lol

[surreal hazel]

Gonna make I feedback post requesting they rename it to CTRLZ

[willow phoenix]

yes I will surely need this 20+ Moon Water charge vs Typhon

[surreal hazel]

Basically my point. Makes it overall less fun to have

[thin gazelle]

Hey. Just because I have 11 moonwaters with a double godsend doesn’t mean I should be using them. I might need them later!

[surreal hazel]

Honestly the idea of a healing super move is antithetical to how hades works (there's a reason phoenix skin was a mess)

[willow phoenix]

warm breeze is still thing tbf, which I have no idea why they still keep lol

I guess they really want to play into Apollo's healing theme, but warm breeze and dodge stacking additively is just silly

[surreal hazel]

At least it's not actively harmful, doesn't encourage you to waste time and doesn't get broken by text boxes, lol

Phoenix skin worked during conversations and boon menus but the in game timer is paused

[willow phoenix]

well you can waste time with Warm Breeze if you have like 50% dodge and want to roll your luck with the last enemy alive lol

[willow phoenix]

that's just funny

[surreal hazel]

Hey, hey, remember critical miss?

[brazen ore]

i had a very funny run where i was just trying to stack tank on tank effects so i could last for as long as i wanted against the bosses and practice dodging them, and when i finally decided to start attacking and win, typhon ended up doing 1007 damage to me with 50% chance to dodge.

basically if you're really dedicated you can die no matter what

[willow phoenix]

like rolling a 1? I honestly don't remember if Hades had that as a mechanic lol

[willow phoenix]

not if you reach 100% dodge

[surreal hazel]

Also only just noticed that ares lost single elimination without anything in its place

[willow phoenix]

well chronos can still kill you with his insta kill and you can die to traps I guess

[spiral wadi]

it's prob cuz ares used to have 1 more boon than the other gods

[surreal hazel]

Ah did he?

[brazen ore]

there is no escape

[willow phoenix]

yeah that's why it got moved to Hestia and burnt offering got scrapped

[surreal hazel]

Rip Frosty Veneer

No more tanking instakills

Or prometheus flame walls

[willow phoenix]

I think with enough health and enough damage resistance it's possible

[willow phoenix]

me who just tanked 2 fire waves last run lol

[surreal hazel]

Takes more than one boon now

[brazen ore]

basically useless

[willow phoenix]

new frosty sucks though

like getting more damage resitance can actually be harmful lol

[brazen ore]

how so?

but it does suck, esp for 6 water

or whatever the hell it costs. i think it's 6

[willow phoenix]

like say you were taking 20 damage before, with frosty you get 10 damage
then say you buy Python scale, now you take 18 damage which doesn't trigger frosty

[surreal hazel]

That's not harmful

That's just sometimes not triggering

[brazen ore]

yeah i dont see how that's harmful really. you're not taking more damage than you would be taking if you didn't have frosty veneer.

[willow phoenix]

if you didn't get python scale you would be taking less damage with frosty

[brazen ore]

and if you didnt have frosty veneer you'd be taking 20 damage before and 18 damage with python. like no matter what it's not worse than if you didn't have frosty veneer. it's just not very good no matter what

[surreal hazel]

I get it, but eh. That's kinda always been the case since frosty's damage cap basically came in last on the chain

It's another boon they could never balance ( lol day 1 coarse grit)

[willow phoenix]

it could really just be snow queen tbh

[brazen ore]

i'm surprised nitro sprint has survived unscathed

[willow phoenix]

like make snow queen the infusion with lower reqs

[spiral wadi]

every water = 1 block/location

[brazen ore]

yeah the fire/air boons get to have dodge and self healing. let the water boons have Just Facetank It

[surreal hazel]

I see your idea and raise it. :" one block but the primed magick is reduced by one per water"

[surreal hazel]

And let earth boons be... something

Why is rallying cry that?

[brazen ore]

Let earth boons malinger i suppose

[surreal hazel]

Why is it ares? Why isn't it what Tall Order does?

[willow phoenix]

Rallying cry should be the scaling one while martial arts should be fixed values one imo

[surreal hazel]

And then extended family is just "the oyher rallying cry"

Ngl I used that bridal glow bug on extended family before and it was kinda dope

[spiral wadi]

turn trusty shield into the infusion, +5 armor per rock

[willow phoenix]

Like mother like son

[surreal hazel]

Funny thing being that hephestus benefits most from olympian damage

[brazen ore]

Im not sure that he does tbh unless you can get the cooldown to a reasonable number

[surreal hazel]

Yet there he is with martial art as if that how you're meant to get +% core boons

[surreal hazel]

But he's with zeus and posideon in being all about olympian damage. Okay maybe not anvil ring

Apollo I guess benefits least?

[spiral wadi]

anvil ring does get buffed by olympian dmg so it works

[surreal hazel]

Maybe hera, ironically

[willow phoenix]

Ares benefits more from %damage too with wounds

[spiral wadi]

does hitch count for air quality

[surreal hazel]

Yesnt

[civic ocean]

So the medea 50 first time something gets cursed

actually kind of a hokey counter to rivals eris eh

[brazen ore]

No idea tbh i dont think ive ever done a build that has both of them

[surreal hazel]

You get 1 tick of 50 oer enemy iirc but everything else hitch does isn't buffed by air quality

[spiral wadi]

it do work

[civic ocean]

I have wounds gales hitch and daze up atm

[spiral wadi]

i see

[civic ocean]

we are cooking

[surreal hazel]

Something like that anyway

[civic ocean]

this is sort of true, hitch will deal 50 first tick and then subsequent ticks will not deal 50 this is true

but hitch will still transfer over its % of 50 for every like gale tick or whatever so there is some synergy

[spiral wadi]

if i didn't recently play surface i'd prob be confused what "medea 50" was referencing

[willow phoenix]

It's pretty good with wounds since the uptime is pretty big

I think the highest total damage I got from it is like 17k which is decent for a single boon I guess

[civic ocean]

It can crit/grievous/mutual as well lmao

[brazen ore]

Thats pretty sick

[surreal hazel]

Mutual destruction savior of runs

[willow phoenix]

My favorite thing with eris is how she just refreshes freezer burn everytime she flies lol

[spiral wadi]

can't relate, just blitz her ass 😎👍

[surreal hazel]

That happens in the crossroads thou- oh I see

[spiral wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-nervous-nervous-cat-big-gulp-scared-cat-gif-882270153639190687

i still find it extremely funny that i lucked into demeter legendary by complete accident during my 62f surface attempts and managed to smite eris

didn't survive enough to get to prom/heracles tho

[surreal hazel]

Final phase skip

[spiral wadi]

fr

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1401417368609226813/Hades_II_-_2025-08-02_9-11-16_PM.mp4

i think i was running out of time during olympus due to lack of damage

[surreal hazel]

Cut short, indeed

[spiral wadi]

very

also confirmed icarus hammer doesn't last long enough if chosen in thessaly, idk why i still do it anyway for funnies

[past salmon]

what arctic ring circe isnt fantastic?
Colour me suprised

[spiral wadi]

surprisingly like, arctic ring does do damage but not enough for olympus lol

[past salmon]

ive figured out that on 90% of aspects in the game the answer do just be blitz start

shoutouts Zeus my homie

[spiral wadi]

fr, i've been starting with phial lately for the past few days, it works until the four gods you get are neither zeus nor hestia

[past salmon]

lmao

[spiral wadi]

also i have a theory that having a god keepsake minimizes selene drops and 1st room selene is annoying me

[past salmon]

if you have a god keepsake first room selene is impossible

[spiral wadi]

OH sick

[spiral wadi]

noticing the satyr champion miniboss in ephyra just feels like a guessing game atp

@civic ocean do u have a clip of the standing behind pillar strat, i got no idea how it works

i feel like with circe i can't just hide behind pillar lol

[civic ocean]

idk if you can with circe I was doing it with Momus

but basically like hide behind the pillar lol

[spiral wadi]

damn ok

[jade raptor]

What gods are good with the sister blades? I dont feel happy with the sister blades...

I also know that with the aspect of pan, making your cast as large as possible is ideal, but I liked having ares on special

[spiral wadi]

it's been a hot minute since i've played blades, tho i remember i'd tend to go blitz special (or scorch if running pan and/or trick knives), i imagine froth cast would also be p strong with blades

blitz atk wounds special sounds fun too

[jade raptor]

Oooh, scorch is smart

[spiral wadi]

ye, back then it was either scorch or splash spec

then they gave splash icd so now it's scorch

[jade raptor]

[wise knot]

IMO, Torch aspect of Moros is overtuned now.

After the latest rework, it's much, much more reliable to trigger explosion with dash+special. The explosion damage is also absolutely bonkers - around 200+ damage on Omega flame detonation for merely 5 mana

[willow phoenix]

Always has been strong, probably stronger before though tbh

[vague eagle]

If I strike a foe with hitch inflicted, does the foe get an extra 30% damage?

[willow phoenix]

No hitch only damages other units

[jade raptor]

Speaking of hitch, is it good with the twin blades? I used to think it was, but idk

Im trying to expand my arsenal beyond the skulls

[willow phoenix]

It's not that strong tbh unless you have trick knives

[jade raptor]

Im assuming trick knives are the hidden aspect? Also, I figured as much...

Hera on the axe is fun though

[willow phoenix]

No trick knives is a hammer

Shoots 3 specials on dash attack

[jade raptor]

OOOOH okay, that makes more sense

[willow phoenix]

The hidden aspect can't even use trick knives lol, and honestly is probably decent with hera on attack

[jade raptor]

I am so close to getting the staff hidden aspect, I just need one or two more tears

[distant field]

hello could someone help me choose the best arcana card with 28 arcana mastery pls ?

[surreal hazel]

Trick knives is basically the origination proc hammer

Amongst other combos

It's not always my first pick but I'm never unhappy to see it on basically any build

[brave dove]

I mean, the damage is usually more relevant than the origination proc, trick knives is nuts, up there with psychic whirlwind as the strongest hammer in the game and I'd say TK is ahead.

[brave dove]

varies on a lot of things such as 'what do you have upgraded' - certain meta endgame cards are kinda garbo until t3, such as the reroll corner going from 4 total rerolls to 10 - and what you're trying to do, don't sweat meta until you're max grasp at least

[distant field]

ohh ok ty so much

[surreal hazel]

It is mad that it's three sickles rather than three darts

But it's such a brutal combo fiend of a hammer too

Basically anything works

[brave dove]

pretty much yeah 😩

[jade raptor]

So for the hidden staff aspect, im assuming ares on special is good with... uhhhh Zeus? Hera? Heras probably good...

[surreal hazel]

Honestly anubis attack works with more than you think

[jade raptor]

Yeah, the huge AOE is insane

[surreal hazel]

Probably best avdoid aphrodite and heph

[pseudo sequoia]

anubis attack works with pretty much everything yeah

[jade raptor]

I can see avoiding heph tbh, but why aphrodite

[surreal hazel]

The range require

[pseudo sequoia]

it's rapid enough for scorch and splash damage but it deals enough for % increases like apollo and hera

[jade raptor]

OH YEAH

[surreal hazel]

And raw damage is missing the point a little

[surreal hazel]

Obviously if you get island getaway online then maybe

Particularly with secret crush and that hanner that adds +5 power

Incidentally. Aphrodite's range check is from mel to the target at the time it deals damage. Not the distance from where the attack is centred

So using anubis and aphro requires you to stay in range. And that range is approximately standard cast circle size

I think... lemme check if that's still true

[uneven palm]

It’s a smidge bigger than cast, yeah

[stable herald]

it's the same range as Glamour Gain's weak application, right?

[surreal hazel]

Mmm. But close enough that I say cast size because everyone knows how big that is

[mellow condor]

whats best for anubis

[glass bone]

There’s 3 main strong options for attack;

1. Zeus (go for Thermal Dynamics with Hestia)
2. Hestia (strong scorch start and easier access to Cardio Gain)
3. Poseidon (if I understand correctly, each hit on each enemy produces a wave. That’s a lot of wave damage).

Then for Special, you’ll want to go for Apollo, Aphrodite, and maybe Hera.

Apollo has good overall damage
Aphrodite has more damage than Apollo at the cost of range
Hera applies Hitch which is just a strong curse.

[mellow condor]

shouldnt hera be attack

[glass bone]

If you’re going for Attack focus, Rapid Thrasher imo is really strong at higher fears, because the very first thing you do for the most part is dropping attack
If you’re going for Special focus, Dual and Rapid Moonshot are best.

Meh…. Idk about Hera attack. Like, it would work, but the main reasons you’d want Zeus, Hestia, and Poseidon is that Anubis attack is like Dagger attack (fast attacks). You want Hera Attack/Special as a good percentage damage (which Anubis attack has a low base damage) and applying Hitch every once in a while (which Anubis Attack is really fast at, so Special can work better).

[mellow condor]

yeah i was thinking posiedon , i just got the arrows from artemis

[glass bone]

Oh, and one more thing. Cardio Gain is probably the best gain for Anubis.

Every single time an Anubis tick happens, you gain 4/6/8/10 magic. Thats so good compared to every other gain.

[uneven palm]

Hera attack is decent on Anubis. Shreds crowds and the O attack’s power makes percentages decent for bossing

Add some Zeus or a big percent Omega special and you’re cruising

[half kindle]

I'm having a difficult time trying to run Olympus with Axe on 20 fear. Any recommendations?

[median anvil]

which aspect are you playing and what is your oath setup

[cursive raft]

Are charmed foes and summoned foes supposed to fight each other?

[half kindle]

I attempted with Thanathos and Nergal on different runs.

Rivals 3 - Hordes 3 - Menace 2 - Wards 1 - Frenzy 1 - Fangs 1

[median anvil]

are you aiming to ever go above 32 fear?
because hordes3 for 20 fear is insane

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDIsMiwxLDAsMCwwLDMsMCwyLDIsOF0=

[half kindle]

Is it? Oh okay... Then... Should I replace it with Grit?

[median anvil]

take this, if you can handle timer3, take it and drop fangs and scars

[half kindle]

Oh, thanks! I'll give it a try. I'm afraid for Denial tho

[median anvil]

you just gotta keep track a little, and don't order too many boons from shrines of hermes

if you find yourself getting forced into a sacrifice too many times, you can swap it for shadow but that's a challenge in itself

[half kindle]

Alright, I'll try with this set up. Any aspect recommendation?

[median anvil]

whichever one you like, i can recommend builds for all 4

[half kindle]

Could you recommend for Melinoe's? I could use the extra AP

[median anvil]

run huntress and origination in your arcana, avoid taking gain boons so huntress can always be active
take hera or aphro attack for start, then any other boons that help you activate origination on enemies

that by itself gives you enough damage to win, so you can start stacking defensive boons and hp

actually since you're running rivals3 start with hera attack, it's great to have against unrivaled prom

[half kindle]

Thank u! I will try and tell you how it went :DD

[vague eagle]

I am struggling with some of the Chaos trials. Trial of Haste in particular. Any advice?

[glass shell]

Its changed a lot since its introduction since its mel coat now, let me run it and see how it feels

Ok got to cerb in 1:46:05

The game makes you turbo fast and even has world collider, so just attack spam regular enemies or omega charge w/ eternity if there are any large/groups of enemies. Remember you can dash attack to reposition the attack hitbox

Always do minibosses, always take midshop. Thats 2/5 rooms for "free"

[willow phoenix]

I like just spamming attack and special, auto fire helps a lot with that too

[glass shell]

https://imgur.com/XixUs1h

[vague eagle]

Man I have got to start using Auto Fire. My problem is I need to rebind the key so it’s less inconvenient

[vague eagle]

Respect. I keep running out of time while fighting Cerb

[glass shell]

Again just make sure you are ALWAYS sprinting to the nodes, you have blinding sprint you move turbo fast

You need quite literally zero rewards, the game sets you up for success so just take whatever time saves you can get

[vague eagle]

Hmm I see

[glass shell]

Hence why you always take mid shop even if you can't buy anything - its a 0 encounter time stop room

Minibosses are a 1 encounter "single enemy" room

[vague eagle]

Right I realized shop pauses time unlike h1

Alright Imma try again

[twin fog]

Worst Build rn?

[olive sphinx]

people like to bash the base aspect coat o-attack build a lot apparently, saying its one of the worst ones

[civic ocean]

Boonless Supay probably

[olive sphinx]

thats not an actual build though 😭
thats just called sabotaging yourself

[civic ocean]

What is a bad build then like

[glass shell]

omega attack hel primary

[olive sphinx]

idk Mel axe o-attaack

[glass shell]

axe basekit is still good though so its not a bad build

its just a bad aspect

[pseudo sequoia]

poseidon special morrigan 🔥 🔥 🔥

the fire emojis represent the fact that you should go for hestia on special instead

[glass shell]

yeah special morrigan is probably up there too

you can theoretically make hel o-attack work highrolling hammer, i don't think special morrigan... CAN work

[civic ocean]

I think these things people mentioned can still be pretty good

[glass shell]

beyond the standard "you can win with anything" i guess

[willow phoenix]

Hel O attack can work if you have like Heroic Racing thoughts and Helheim Charge. The damage is honestly very big if you can get the O attack off but the channel time takes forever and dash resets it

[twin fog]

Trying the worst 30 grasp arcana with hel.

Its miserable.

[glass shell]

yeah i forced hel omega with a hammer and it actually puts in work

the issue is just getting to that point cause you can't guarantee the hammer, and without the hammer its worthless

[brazen ore]

a bad build is whatever garbage combo of arcana, keepsake, vows, familiar, and aspect chaos gives me for great chaos above

huntress + unseen + strength + toula + scars2 type of garbage on thanatos axe starting with poseidon's keepsake sort of deal

[surreal hazel]

Even then you need omega cast time reductions to even use it

[dapper elbow]

Looks like Circe aspect is putting in some work. It is a boss killer when using the right familiar

[surreal hazel]

Twincasting is pretty disgusting later on. The tether pulls a lot of weight early

[sage flame]

double casts is always gonna be good

[glass bone]

And the thing is, it’s flexible. Zeus, Poseidon, Hestia, and Heph cast have all been suggested I think.

[surreal hazel]

Gets a bit broken by tipsy shot and glowing coal, I do not recommend

[tall notch]

Kind of a worse Nergal but okay with psychic whirl

[vagrant monolith]

How do I dodge the sorceresses teleport attack she teleported right next to me and instantly hit me with it I don’t know how on earth to dodge somthign like that maybe it was just a coincidence that won’t happen again but still this fight is very frustrating (doing polypehmus and the sorceror

[spiral wadi]

she should have a tell on where she teleports
if you phase polyphemus medea will follow a set pattern of throwing poison so just avoid the pattern

[dapper elbow]

For Circe aspect is rushing a cast boon the right decision

[glass bone]

Yes. You get 2x the value of a Cast Boon essentially. It’s basically like you’re doing double damage.

[junior trail]

why i can see them putting ranged cast stuff excluded in circe, just like artemis/rapid onslaught used to be

super duper band aid fix though if they decide to do that

[spiral wadi]

you don't necessarily need to rush a cast boon asap, u can play around psychic leash a bit before getting a good cast boon

it's not like a right or wrong decision, more like a what-can-you-do-with-what-you're-given

[glass bone]

Mentioned it here, but the 3 of Zeus, Hestia, and Poseidon are probably the best cast boons. Though imo, Storm Ring is probably the best of the 4 for Boss Killing (which is a big deal for higher fear). Not certain if Smolder Ring is better than Tidal Ring, but both are probably now better than Anvil Ring.
Storm Ring is best because you can do an immediate pivot into Lightning Lance, then Double Strike.
Smolder Ring does have a second upgrade in Glowing Coal, but there is a small delay to starting the cast compared to Lightning Lance. Also there is apparently a bug or something as Plasma-dragon says, so… meh.
Tidal Ring leads into Geyser Spout, which is big single target damage, but……. At High Fear with Frenzy, you’re essentially required to pick up Winner’s Circle. That reliance is not great. Also you have to deal with Wards too at really high fears.
I’m feeling mixed now looking back with Anvil Ring, because obviously there was the Anvil Ring + Winner’s Circle combo, but that has been kind of nerfed for a patch or two.
The other cast boons are good, but I feel like there’s a clear 3 winners (correct me if I’m wrong).

[spiral wadi]

smolder ring is extremely funny rn, it benefits from global modifiers for both the scorch application alongside the scorch damage, so u basically double dip from stuff like olympian damage etc

[glass bone]

Is it stronger than Zeus Cast?

[spiral wadi]

i don't like getting into x-is-better-than-y, zeus works as like single-target picking while hestia covers literally anything that's in the cast, if u get scorch cast at high enough levels with pyro technique it gets insane

tho even like lv1 or 2 rare/epic is decent enough

u can just plant scorch cast in one side of the room and deal w/ another side

[glass bone]

Got it.

The one question I have is about Lightning Lance. Is it required for a cast setup with Circe? Or is it not needed?

[spiral wadi]

i can't remember what that does so probably not

[glass bone]

It’s the boon where you choose where the cast goes.

[spiral wadi]

ah it can help yea, not necessary but yknow

[glass shell]

arguably makes your build worse to take throwing casts on circe

[spiral wadi]

i'd rather it be gotten like super early in the run so u don't get hecked with muscle memory by the time ur in like olympus or fields

[glass shell]

since you go into targeting mode instead of just instantly dropping your cast, and auto targeting can brick on some neemies like typhon

[spiral wadi]

and also i hate how the cast location check works with joystick it actually sucks ass (this includes selene hexes too)

if ur looking the wrong direction it'll take eons to move the cast to the opposite direction

[glass bone]

I had used it against Rival Chronos, and like… it felt nice for the start of Phase 2. Though 1 cast is more likely if practice isn’t done, at which point it’s just the 90 damage boon per cast.

That part is a standout, though if there was something I had to runaway from (say, armored enemies in field), itll do the damage more safely. And that’s why I asked (for beyond 50 Fear). Lightning Lance to me will take practice and it won’t always come up, but it adds a little bit of damage each cast, and it gives a bit of safety in cast attacks.

[cerulean panther]

Lightning Lance got some stealth buffs in the last patch, I think.

Its range increased, now it threatens stuff further out like Glowing Coal can, and it doesn't snap as hard so while it slows you down a little bit the placement isn't as susceptible to flying off the screen against Typhon or other enemies that like to hide over terrain.

I've been having a lot of success using it to place Casts in the middle of groups of enemies when it used to center on an enemy every time.

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1402854073967050836/clip_1754536768031.mp4 getting massively skill issued in thessaly (birds are the bane of my existence)

[civic ocean]

I only have like four or five 51f attempts in me until random thessaly spawns start costing me death defiances

And that’s pre pain

[spiral wadi]

yeaa thessaly seems to flip between free and you-will-die

[supple crown]

that's why I sometimes dread Icarus encounter even if he's a sweet boi

also 62 fear surface

[spiral wadi]

starting to want to go back to 62f uw lmao

prom and typhon suuuuck

atp i rather the prom difficulty be shifted into aetos if it means easier heracles lolol

the worst part is that i had vow of pain removed by circe, which should have been free, but 4th phase typhon's literally undodgeable

[supple crown]

Pffff

[supple crown]

Ah- and having white antler until that point too?

[spiral wadi]

oh nah white antler is just a half-meme pick for me rn

i figured since i had armor and snow queen i could breeze thru thessaly with antler and use that time save for olympus/summit

(i did not breeze thru thessaly)

[spiral wadi]

this was for a different run, prob shoulda clarified lol

i think what i'm figuring out is that hitstun matters way more on surface, if you don't hitstun then enemies just murder you

sucks even more w/ multiple armored auto-seekers cuz u have to get rid of all their armor asap or they'll be shooting at u constantly

it's fine if u have like cover but i had one time where it was three armored, one invulnerable-until-last-standing in a relatively open field

[supple crown]

Right- those auto (big ones? not sure what is called) on thessaly is such a pain, having a area this small and having 2-ish of them

[spiral wadi]

the auto spinners (not what they're called but im gonna call them auto spinners now) are brutal lol

it's like, yea you kinda are forced to play it safe, but at the same time why don't they get snared by cast, it's dumb

incantation of make-autos-recognize-you 1.0 please

[supple crown]

Lmfao

[spiral wadi]

tbh tbh tho i would be so down for an incantation where autos prioritize enemies first before attacking you, so you'd have a choice of either dealing with autos first or the other enemies first

[supple crown]

That did sounds like a nice addiction ngl

I guess is a bit "goofy" when you dropped in two different sides of the foes stopped and just targets you lol

[spiral wadi]

hephaestus if he locked in

[civic ocean]

Part of my high fear struggle is remembering what enemies do and don't obey hitstun rules and cast slow rules

[spiral wadi]

TRUE actually it starts to feel arbitrary with thug being the only uw enemy that has natural freeze/timestop resistance

[civic ocean]

And the little stabby guy cant be frozen and the stabby barrel guy cannot be hitstun out of his attack animation and the auto watchers turn invulnerable if you hit them and the auto spinners don't listen to your cast and if you kill an eyeball guy during the toss the eye drops and you have to kill it and the harpies cannot be hitstun out of their charge etc etc etc

[spiral wadi]

the typhon spawn feels like the most evil example cuz if it revs up at all you can't hitstun it anymore and have to run away lol

also sometimes the barrels just travel at like super high speed/distance for no reason

[civic ocean]

The typhon twin minis are invulnerable under the ground and cannot be hitstun out of their rising animations, the mini spawn of typhon if frozen will extend their charge and cannot be hitstun out of it and I am pretty sure hit you frame 1

This game is lucky its so fun

[spiral wadi]

after seeing so many enemies get updated in patch 11 im at least optimistic that 1.0 will make these enemies a lot easier to handle lol

[upper rapids]

As in , for the entire encounter?
They do that on Olympus when you land
I assume you mean for every wave tho right?

[spiral wadi]

ah yea like a persistent thing

the key thing being that autos would prioritize enemies constantly rather than immediately switching to you no matter what

[upper rapids]

My dumbass started thinking of a way to make that a boon or something
Like maybe icarus has a hammer to make your weapon strikes have a chance of distracting the automatons

Obvious Hephaestus option too but sounds more like a boon and theres already the aphro apollo one so ehhhh

Incantation does seem the best for the concept but then since its guaranteed to be active for every run it should have something more to balance it
Because i think forcing them to be on your side until the last non-mechanical enemy is killed is kinda nuts

Icarus idea is also maybe too similar to circe's morph on omega strikes

Maybe they target enemies until struck and then they lock on you ?

[spiral wadi]

i'd rather they just make heph legendary make your anvil ring mess enemies up lolol

at least then there'd be two legendaries that are cast based

i think i'd be fine if their hitbox still hit you, so you'd still have to be mindful of auto spinner pathing

[wooden wadi]

what are some builds that Mel skull does better than Persephone skull? I wouldn't be surprised if the average level bonus makes up for the damage bonus. (I also like the utility of a fully invulnerable o special better)

[upper rapids]

The thing about boons that i thought of is that making a god's boons mess bots up would only work on the surface

You could make it generic and affect any enemy but i dont know how to feel about that. Just personal opinion , seems less thematically appropriate to affect any type of enemy

Unless you consider the bonks to be so severe that they confuse the enemy or whatever lol

[spiral wadi]

ah i mean it like just affecting any enemy in the ring lol

[upper rapids]

Thats why i thought of icarus
Athena was another option since it spawns in olympus but she can be forced with the keepsake

Oh hmmm

[spiral wadi]

like deadass if it was a consistent way to get guaranteed hitstun i'd take it so fast

[upper rapids]

Enemies struck by all 3 hits are confused for a couple seconds and attack for you

[spiral wadi]

true,,

[upper rapids]

Oh hitstun

Hitstun might work better

Aye wouldn't be bad feedback maybe possibly probably

[spiral wadi]

tbh at the same time i think premium service is iconic so i rather not touch it

[upper rapids]

Ye thats the thing so like what duo would you even touch

[willow phoenix]

Premium Service concept is too good to abandon imo, but in practice it's a bit too hit or miss

[upper rapids]

Or do you replace a regular boon and make it locked behind the cast

[spiral wadi]

maybe with heph/apollo -> "Your Anvil Ring hammer stuns Dazed foes"

[upper rapids]

Am i crazy for thinking of the aphro heph duo

[willow phoenix]

imo daze should have a secondary boon for stun, like just make Dazzling Display into that

Stun seems pretty underused as a mechanic

[spiral wadi]

i could see it

[civic ocean]

Mel Skull scales off of power so it's a good weapon for Huntress+Origination and the % based damage hammer. I like using it with Ares for the extra scaling on Grievous Blow + Mutual Destruction, but I am having a hard time making it work at 51 atm.

[upper rapids]

Mutual destruction at 51 fear sounds so risky damn

[spiral wadi]

tbf it's basically the same, just gives u more of a high lol

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1402917959545913465/clip_1754551859862.mp4 blast is actually insane i think

then died to rtyphon because of course i did, screw 4th phase

[supple crown]

But if you get consistently get to him, one of those attempt will be it 👀

[spiral wadi]

makes sense, the problem is that i have a savestate of typhon (with an insanely strong pyro technique build) that i use on occasion to practice it, and it always feels like a coin flip of whether i win or not because 4th phase is just so inconsistent in what you're supposed to do to dodge everything being thrown at you

like, cerberus and chronos rivals are difficult but they're also (for the most part) predictable and consistent, so getting them down hitless still takes a lot of time but there's a clear payoff (and i never savestated on them)

typhon you're just praying

[supple crown]

Yup maybe sadly eventually maybe it will come down to dodge chance + hp but that's kinda errr lame?

but I understand the game is not balance around super high fear but still sucks

[spiral wadi]

i mean i think high fear is actually balanced pretty well overall imo

it's specifically typhon being unpredictable that sucks, everything else i don't mind (or don't mind nearly as much)

i do believe that dodge chance is the meta tho from what i recall? not 100% sure

[supple crown]

Probably is- I am not sure of what current meta is actually

[maiden hound]

typhon feels alright if A) your damage can break the eggs and B) you don't get suddenly jumped by hundreds of damage for being near his face for a second too long
I've been finding him ever so slightly more bearable, but bit without scratches. the exploding balls are definitely the worst part

there's also chronos's babyfication. we don't mention that part

short question: what do you guys build on melinoe staff? I was thinking aphro, but if I don't get island getaway it feels wrong

[spiral wadi]

max frenzy/pain too?

yea i don't like how inconsistent his eye-cannon attack is, the explosion pattern seems completely random so u just have to guess where the safe spots are

[surreal hazel]

It's tough, and a good reason to gave stutterstep

[spiral wadi]

yea prob

[maiden hound]

definitely doing max frenzy and rivals minimum. not sure about the rest, need to get better at the game first

if the explosion pattern was consistent I think typhon would probably be a fairly honest guardian

even if he starts overlapping attacks

[spiral wadi]

yea i'd be happy as long as the explosion pattern was made consistent at the very least

the hitbox also just feels excruciatingly large? like it feels like even if you dash it'll still bounce into you anyway

[tall notch]

Looking at that message, I had to do a double take. Didn't sound like you were talking about h2 anymore

[surreal hazel]

Typhon's post-laugh phase feels like total chaos though, those sand bubbles and bouncing tornados are tricky

[spiral wadi]

it's actually ridiculous how of course the one run i had 185(?) armor was the time that attack actually stripped away all my armor

[surreal hazel]

Maybe I should avoid trying to do damage during that bit

[tall notch]

Seeing y'all talk about Typhon makes me consider just sticking to underworld

[spiral wadi]

lol fair, idk mutual destruction is the only good boon for ares i find atm

wounds suuuuck

[surreal hazel]

It's a heck of a dark horse boon

[median anvil]

stay close to the bottom of the arena

[surreal hazel]

Everyone was all over grievous blow at first

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, so basically stop trying to be greedy unless I have the range to

[spiral wadi]

wounds x2 is like pretty decent but it's kinda egregious to have a status effect that requires a separate boon for the effect to do anything

[surreal hazel]

Mutual destruction got a bit of a stealth buff here and there

[surreal hazel]

Well. Wounds is really more of just a cooldown timer on bonus damage. It's designed to make you fight like Ares wants, by hitting everyone rather than single target focus

Absolutely sucks against wards, mind

And I hate the anti synergy on fourth degree if you have vicious flourish and second degree (ospecial fireball)

[spiral wadi]

oh yea it'd be cool if fireball wounds ignored the cd like sky fall

[surreal hazel]

Great on glowing coal though

[spiral wadi]

the hitting everyone does make sense, i feel like i rather just, sidon splash LOL

[surreal hazel]

Tap to fire a 350+ power bomb

[spiral wadi]

true,

[surreal hazel]

Hestia used to be about hitting everyone when scorch was much slower, but now it kinda doesn't matter

[surreal hazel]

It's why Single Elimination felt a bit weird on him. But I guess a compensation for his brawling focus.

(Still sucks though, snuffed candle doesn't benefit olympian or hex damage iirc)

[spiral wadi]

yea snuffed candle is weird rn

only buffs atk/special iirc

[surreal hazel]

Omegas too but ehhh

Just seems like something and nothing. No combo potential at all

[spiral wadi]

yeaa it's also difficult to know what "nowhere near" is, like i'd rather there be an indicator of that (unless there is and im blind)

[surreal hazel]

But it's so small of a bonus you're likely not going to play differently if you knew

Basically "do a bit more damage to bosses"

[tall notch]

I like wounds on Eos

[spiral wadi]

yea i imagine it's just me playing circe so much that i've found ares just doesn't work well with circe, at least at high fear

[surreal hazel]

Ares hasn't got any bad synergy I'd say but...

[surreal hazel]

Hrm pondering an idea for pyro technique

To try and fix its anti synergies and meh moments

What if it caused enemies hitting 0 scorch to gsin a different cursed called ember for 2 seconds. All it does is add 50 scorch the next time scorch happens and removes itself, but it counts as an olympian curse and also counts for hotpot's benefit

[glass shell]

i really don't think scorch needs any buffs and also don't think this really.... does anything? Like what needle si this moving

[surreal hazel]

In addition to how it works currently, so that high scorch builds are unchanged, but low scorch actually benefits

[spiral wadi]

there's already the "if enemy never got scorched apply more"

[glass shell]

like if you let the enemy hit 0 scorch, its because you either A- were playing wrong or B- the boss had its "its my turn to play" moment which isn't really a 'low moment'

[surreal hazel]

It stops pyro technique working against origination

[surreal hazel]

Smolder ring?

[spiral wadi]

u have to be mindful of how much scorch ur doing before taking pyro lol

[glass shell]

why is smolder ring your source of scorch

what is this hypothetical player cooking, circe smolde ring?

[surreal hazel]

Why indeed, this is the issue, pyro technique can appear while being utterly useless in a lot of scenarios

[spiral wadi]

smolder ring does actually work as a source for scorch

[surreal hazel]

I'm not saying to remove the accelerated burn, this is in addition to that

[glass shell]

as the ONLY source?

[spiral wadi]

it benefits from global multipliers for both scorch application and scorch damage

it's not the most stable at common but if u upgrade it enough or have it at high enough rarity it hits

[surreal hazel]

And with Ember, smolder ring would actually benefit, rather than being made mostly worse

[spiral wadi]

disagree, pyro technique is a necessary late game boon

[surreal hazel]

I just kinda hate that pyro technique can actively fight against you currectly

[spiral wadi]

if ur scorch build isn't strong enough then don't get pyro, simple as that lolol

[surreal hazel]

But I love the idea of accelerating scorch

I dunno. I felt this was an elegant way to buff the lows without buffing the highs

[spiral wadi]

i mean there's already a way for scorch to get more dps/another proc and that's poseidon duo

[surreal hazel]

That's not what I'm trying to deal with though

Kinda wanna put small scorch on the table more, and it would be a slight thing,

[spiral wadi]

idk what u mean, sidon duo literally benefits small scorch by adding another consistent 100 dps on whatever ur doing

[surreal hazel]

Duo based though.

[spiral wadi]

then pom your scorch

[surreal hazel]

I guess? Still feels a bit weird to have dead draws in a boon pool

Or counterproductive boons at that

[spiral wadi]

like with origination ur scorch will naturally do at least 150 with every 100 scorch you apply, so small scorch can still rip on its own

[surreal hazel]

But if it's your second curse then pyro just hurts your origination

[spiral wadi]

then don't get pyro

[surreal hazel]

And hot pot

[spiral wadi]

it's not so much anti synergy as it is don't be stupid with what ur choosing

[surreal hazel]

Yes, now that is true, I get that. But is that good for the game to be that way?

[spiral wadi]

yes because it means you understand the concept of not picking more than what you need

how boring would it be if every boon was synergistic and was a benefit no matter what

[surreal hazel]

That's literally the case for most boons

There's still opportunity cost, always will be

[spiral wadi]

ok lemme put it in a different way, some boons are gonna just be built for different purposes, it'd be boring if every boon was designed to fit every single purpose

[surreal hazel]

And it doesn't come much harder than Ransom

I see what you're saying, but I dunno. I like more combo opportunities, I think it'd be more fun

[spiral wadi]

scorch already rips on its own just fine at 100/sec, even if it's small scorch you'll likely have other damage sources like blitz etc that do more of the heavy work, and then you get blitz scorch duo and oh look now you can get pyro safely

[surreal hazel]

(And make origination less frustrating)

[spiral wadi]

u gotta be mindful of what build ur going for, and if pyro doesn't fit that build, it's fine lmao

it's like picking a sacrifice boon just cuz it's higher rarity

[surreal hazel]

Yeye, you keep making that point. But it's not like this change would subvert that

[spiral wadi]

i also say this as someone who doesn't want pyro technique to change lmao, especially with the 999 scorch cap i rather it stay as is

[surreal hazel]

Honestly I'd be okay with ember just being implict on scorch reaching 0 and do nothing except exist as a curse for one second

[spiral wadi]

tbh i'd just hunt for another third proc for stability atp

[surreal hazel]

Like how blitz has a very brief period afterwards where it's still a curse

[spiral wadi]

hitch froth scorch is a good combo

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1399488067886383274/Hades_II_-_2025-07-28_1-24-12_PM.mp4

[surreal hazel]

Do scorch ticks proc froth?

[spiral wadi]

good question, i don't think so but i think hitch does?

[surreal hazel]

Hitch does

[spiral wadi]

i believe when they patched steam from proccing froth they also got scorch

[surreal hazel]

Froth is weird but I kinda love it

Heph getting posideon's castoffs again

[spiral wadi]

big froth fan, it's incredible as supplementary dps

also recent blast fan it actually hits for some reason now

[surreal hazel]

Glow is just slip, tough gain is just flood control combined with fixed gain

Kinda sad we have no cast blasts any more but they were wonky as hell

[spiral wadi]

i wouldn't know since i never got cast blast, always seemed weird when i feel like i'd rather just pom atk/special blast

[surreal hazel]

The prereqs were buggy and incorrectly listed

[spiral wadi]

ah thatd do it

[surreal hazel]

But basically made a huge blast centered on the first target ocast hit, rather than the cast centre

And it recharged quick too, 500 base damage

But... well it laughed at glorious disaster but was still overkill

[spiral wadi]

wait that's cursed lmao, happy they changed it

[surreal hazel]

(And procced on arctic circle ticks for reasons)

It was also a blast in every sense (except the danage number colour)

So chain reaction, caldera, rude Awakening? All good

So slew bosses while being too cumbersome to use in normal fights

[spiral wadi]

shoulda done it on circe pre-p11

tho im way happier with where heph is rn

[surreal hazel]

He's so much more self-balanced than how he started

Old mint condition being busted as hell but blasts being basically awful

Also lol old anvil ring

-70% cast size, yes, good idea

Cast radius, that is

So uhhh. 9% of the total area

[mighty solar]

what happens to hera duos if I pick king's ransom?

do they count as hera boons?

[surreal hazel]

Weirdly. It depends if hera gave them to you or the other god

[spiral wadi]

LOL that reminded me how i'm 99% certain circe is gonna get gutted somehow in the near future, i hope the nerf is just smaller cast size so it's still relatively strong but doesn't cover the entire arena so easily

[surreal hazel]

Unless they changed that recently

[surreal hazel]

Supernova, my beloved

[spiral wadi]

soup

[mighty solar]

f, I don't know what to do cause I have at least two duos and I'm not sure who gave them to me or if they changes it

[surreal hazel]

What zeus boons have ye?

[mighty solar]

yeah, I'm not risking it. Special, divine vengeance and double strike but some of those are normal or low level xd. And I'm about to go rivals ||typhon||

[surreal hazel]

I'd have done it

[mighty solar]

If I had the certainty the duos stayed with me sure, but I'm not risking it. Haven't beaten this one yet 😭

[surreal hazel]

Heaven flourish with double strike at big levels will just win

Vengeance only if you have success rate

[glass shell]

it should nuke baed on who gave you the duo afaik

[surreal hazel]

That's what I said

[mighty solar]

well, I'm gonna try

wish me luck fhdkfs

[surreal hazel]

Blitz him like zeus is already stood there

[mighty solar]

they stayed, were given by aphrodite and zeus

[surreal hazel]

Well clearly the zeus one will have stayed

[brave dove]

I think the solution to pyro technique is just do your maths

[surreal hazel]

Unless you're doing a double ransom.... for some reason

[surreal hazel]

Honestly I'd have happily burned the hera aphro duo before typhon

But oh well

[brave dove]

like you know how much scorch you deal and pyro technique has no combinatory effects to worry about, when it increases your scorch consumption rate by 100% there is no way for it to return any other number

just don't overestimate your scorch application

[mighty solar]

I mean, yes, I do like the one with zeus tho. And I want to go with everything I can cause man... Also, the damn CHILD section

[surreal hazel]

Ahhh. Where your passives shine

[brave dove]

babality isn't too bad tbh

stressful but, the actual reason it kills a lot of people is they got their hp wrecked by the phase immediately before it, which is the actual illegitimate child of the typhon fight

[surreal hazel]

Only disables your core boons and hex and typhon is untargetable and invuln. But all other effects are active

Heck tough gain might still work

Veneer and dodge definitely do

[surreal hazel]

Usually. But getting cut in half by the laser sweep because you were dodging a chronos rush

[brave dove]

both of those have windups that let you position so you have time for the sweep, even on f2

[surreal hazel]

True but after that is a formality

[brave dove]

walking out of the circle is mandatory for some dodges which I think trips some people up

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, just gotta sometimes know to sac some circle time

[brave dove]

same brain lol, yeah

[surreal hazel]

I don't know what happens if you let it hit 0

[brave dove]

it doesn't tick back down, iirc

[surreal hazel]

Ah okay

[brave dove]

I did try to asphodel it once-

[mighty solar]

DID IT!

[surreal hazel]

Why typhon even has a new attack after thst phase is weird

[glass shell]

he doesn't?

i mean technically he has 3 "unique" attacks but they are all weak existing moves

[surreal hazel]

The tounge drag

[glass shell]

yeah thats the laser homie

just.... without the laser

[mighty solar]

I just did first the 24 fear (skipping vow typhon and getting the extra 4 f from somewhere else) and this run just with all the vow of rivals

[surreal hazel]

Only seen it after going adult again

[mighty solar]

same

[surreal hazel]

Like he's just pretending not to be a punching bag at that point

[glass shell]

yeah its a useless phase victory lap

[surreal hazel]

He has 3 useless attacks?

[glass shell]

https://imgur.com/izqSe4k

but anyway its literally the exact same attack https://imgur.com/TbAUm0N

[glass shell]

varying levels of uselessness but yes

tongue slam attack only damages if hit directly, no aoe shockwaves

tongue has no laser and literally can't(?) damage you

eyeball attack that doesn't explode into mini versions

and also moves much slower

[surreal hazel]

I thought the drag was literally harmless too....

[glass shell]

all of them are called typhonXweak or something in the code. X being the attack name

i was positive it was bugged at first until i looked at that lmao

[surreal hazel]

Funny given he was using the hard variants just before

Stunned by the power of growing up

[glass shell]

huh did they nerf him again? he only has 2 attack now https://imgur.com/hxUOEhH

[surreal hazel]

Tounge only

...it's literally called babality

[glass shell]

yeah you thought we were just making that term up for fun?

we aint all mortal kombat fans

[surreal hazel]

Yes

Wait no. They removed the nondamaging move

Tounge baps and headcannon are left

[glass shell]

yeah but i swear the attack still happens

maybe im wrong i havent actually fought typhon in like a week

[surreal hazel]

Isn't tounge combo only used at scripted points?

He always opens with it

But seldom uses it otherwise

[willow phoenix]

isn't this always the case? post babality he does one proper eye bomb then just switch between weak tongue and weak eye

[glass shell]

Maybe thats the case i honestly cant remember

i just knew he did 3 unique attacks overall

[formal pulsar]

He does do a proper eye ball that splits into 3 right after babality before starting to do his weak attacks

Lost a run the other day because I got sloppy when I was at low hp

[surreal hazel]

The illusion of fighting back properly

[dapper elbow]

Ok so if I’m doing zuse cast start on cerci what boons should I be looking for

[civic ocean]

Zeus cast

[dapper elbow]

Besides the cast

[glass bone]

Be me
Hear good things about Mel Torches.
Try Mel Torches against Rival Prom, and fail.
Try Mel Torches against Rival Chronos and succeed.
This doesn’t seem right, but it’s an outcome I will take.

So now I got 2 weapons at 50 Fear Underworld, yet I still get ruined by Rival Prometheus at 47. Cool I guess…

[sacred python]

Is there any special condition to get seeker with the vow of fangs or am I just extremely unlucky? it's the only perk I need for the prophecy but I haven't gotten it in like 20+ runs

[median anvil]

it can only spawn on specific enemies

look it up on the wiki and figure out which path has more of said enemies

[formal pulsar]

does nexus sprint have some kind of cd against the same enemy?

oh wow it only deals dmg when it inflicts hitch? reading is truly hard

why would they make it have such anti synergy with hitch boons like hereditary bane?

[brazen ore]

suffering

[median anvil]

it's a sprint boon they're all supposed to suck

[glass shell]

why do sprint boons exist period tbh

[sage flame]

apply curse

I mean most of the time

breaker rush can stay we love breaker rush

[flint widget]

i actually havent won on moros torches yet despite having 130 hours so can anyone give me some fun builds for moros?

[surreal hazel]

Every button has a boon

[glass shell]

just cause your right doesn't mean you're right

[tall notch]

Hera attack zeus special

[surreal hazel]

How did you use "you're" correctly and incorrectly in the same sentence?

[glass shell]

it was bait

[glass bone]

I have won with Moros, but haven’t used it in a while. Looks like high fear usually uses Hera Attack, Zeus Special, Born Gain, and sometimes Fine Line.

[surreal hazel]

Ocean's swell is nice with moros and mel torches

Easy procs

[flint widget]

i see

thanks everyone

[digital juniper]

is there a resource i could refer to regarding general build guides (such as x god goes well with y god, or z god works well with slow hitting weapons but not fast hitting ones)/general build guides?
I know they’re scarce due to the fact that the game gets significantly changed balance-wise with every patch, a google search didn’t net me anything well

[glass shell]

not like an up to date one, theres the crossroads website that collects user submitted/scraped from victory posts in this discord of higher levels of fear that you can look at though and vaguely determine what "works"

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/

[brazen ore]

Tho keep in mind some of those are hammer dependent: for example, trick knives dagger builds are different from how u would build the base daggers

(I also nearly had a heinous typo on the word daggers. Pride month truly over smfh)

[digital juniper]

thank you! this leaves me with some room to discover myself so a great in-between solution

[digital juniper]

good to know! i think at first while i build my game knowledge i might not be able to differentiate, but i’ll definitely keep it in mind

[odd garden]

also can help with seeing attack combos as well if the run had a video attached as well

[brazen ore]

Definitely and it will come with time! Just keep an eye out for what hammers people report using as well. A lot of them are just like "makes this strategy even better" so those arent really gonna impact what boons people use too much. Trick knives is the main one i remember messing with that. where for example Pan Trick Knives uses entirely different boons than Poseidon Pan (rip) did. Off the top of my head, Medea skull also gets built differently if you get possessed array bc of the need for good mana regen.

Basically if u compare boon lists and are like "huh, why are people sometimes using onhit effects like splash on dagger special, and other times they use a %boon like aphrodite", it can be the hammers.

[odd garden]

Also, staff as an example doesn't really have any bad hammers there are ones that perform better with certain builds or can help in certain situations

[digital juniper]

yeah i’ve noticed that to be a big one. I’m really enjoying mel axe(i don’t have aspects unlocked yet) and saw a tip that the usual attack combo you use is 2x attack into special to reset the sequence instead of going into that extremely long 3rd hit animation and i noticed it made big difference into how smooth the flow is now

[digital juniper]

the second paragraph makes it much easier to distinguish, i might’ve not thought of that, thank you

[digital juniper]

i’m coming from H1 where you can also see this pattern somewhat. For some builds/weapons it can be “yeah this hammer is nice” but for others it’s “x hammer or nothing”

ill get to explore that with time for sure. thank you!

edit: just noticed the double ping, sorry

[civic ocean]

I should have some guides up soonish check back here in a few weeks

In the meantime you should trust your intuition and experiment - the game is really well balanced for 32ish fear

[digital juniper]

looking forward to them!

But yeah I honestly thought more H1 knowledge would transfer over but a lot of things are different so i’m trying to soak it all in. I’ve made it to chronos for the first time earlier with a “just going with the flow” build with demeter, zeus and some heph.

I might take a look at the wiki for boons and duos and start from there, experimenting with builds

[civic ocean]

Do you have the boon book unlocked yet?

[digital juniper]

not yet, i assume it’s unlocked with an incantation

might just be because i haven’t unlocked the relationship part of the codex though, im stingy with resources

[civic ocean]

Would just gift everyone twice or something.

But yeah look at the wiki. What I usually do is look at a weapon aspect and try and think of three or four boons that would work really well with it

[digital juniper]

yeah i’m still constantly discovering new boons, getting a feel for how each god generally operates

in also trying to mentally keep in mind a good “must have boons”

As in preferably attack and special to have status effects to proc origination and some kind of magick gain boon to be absolute musts for a run

i’m still really bad with constantly using my cast, but i’ve found poseidon cast to be really good, but i usually don’t prioritize cast boons yet

[odd garden]

cast in general should have an almost constant uptime its a great crowd control tool

[digital juniper]

the only time i’m actively aware of having to use it is in Oceanus, for those spearfins or whatever they’re called

i’m so bad with cast for now that i disabled Furies, even

[glass shell]

gift basically anyone that can offer you anything boon related once, including chaos/artemis/dio/ares/hera etc

[brazen ore]

I play on controller and rebound cast to A (the bottom position) bc the way I hold my hands it's easier to roll my thumb onto it and consistently keep uptime on it

[glass shell]

i swapped cast and special on steam deck

[brazen ore]

Also, it depends on what you're doing, how much u want a gain boon. In general yes u do but some aspects/playstyles barely touch omoves

But you do always want a cast boon generally bc all aspects benefit from casts

[digital juniper]

yeah i was talking about the boon book in specific

slowly getting all god keepsakes now

i can reliably clear erebus now, so i can start with a god keepsake and then switch to skelly schelemues’ before oceanus

[brazen ore]

Hell yeah keep at it. Ody's keepsake is also really good against hard boss fights

[digital juniper]

it’s the one that negates x amount of hits in a boss fight right?

[median anvil]

no that's not a keepsake anymore

[brazen ore]

That's the lovers card. Odys does damage to the boss and makes u take less from it

[median anvil]

ody's keepsake removes 10% of the bosses hp 3 seconds after you start, you also receive less damage from bosses

[digital juniper]

ahh i got the 2 confused. because i remembered reading that somewhere in h2

[brazen ore]

Lovers is also good if u struggle on bosses. Especially later on, 3 free hits is really good

[digital juniper]

oh yeah you’re right, definitely need to start using it now that i can make it to cerby more often

[glass shell]

yeah thats the req to unlock the boon book

[digital juniper]

i agree, i used the hell out of the acorn in h1, and that was 5 free hits. carried me through my first ever clear back then

[digital juniper]

ah i wasnt aware, thanks for bringing it to my attention!

[civic ocean]

Cast should be trigger button on controller I think same with dash. Much easier to play for me

[digital juniper]

i play MnK, both cast and special are in easy to reach places for me on the mouse, i just need to remember to use it

[median anvil]

I've put special on right click and cast on side mouse button, I've also put interact on scrollwheel down but that's not necessary

[surreal hazel]

Cast on underside buttons for deck/elite controllers

[digital juniper]

i have cast on right click and special side mouse button, habit from H1

i might try and switch them around though, so far im definitely using special much more than cast

[brazen ore]

I use dash and autofire on my trigger buttons so cast has sadly gotta be one of the face ones

[median anvil]

yeah i definitely recommend switching

[sage flame]

samsies, but I use cast constantly so it's staying on right click for me

[glass bone]

I’ve changed no keybinds (save for adding Autofire as an option), and I do… inconsistently great or bad.

[sage flame]

not that I don't use specials, but it's never been an issue for it being on a side button

[digital juniper]

i agree special on mouse button feels good as is, but with the difference on how much i’ve been using either, cast on mouse button and special right click might “flow” better

[upper rapids]

Me with the yogurt lid

[cerulean panther]

@sacred sierra You will probably want to double-check, but rarifying Bridal Glow after the fact should increase the level of the BG'd boon. Common BG -> Heroic should increase your BG'd boon by an additional 3 levels.

I agree with you, I don't think it should be targetable by Aromatic Phial, but it's """""technically""""" working correctly.

[sacred sierra]

could well be the case, I think it took me a minute to realise that it hadn't targeted the boon I intended because I thought it was "so obvious" it was the only valid target, so I didn't track the level before/after

[median anvil]

every boon from the main 9 boon givers has different rarities

some are unable to be pommed but rarity can affect everything

[sacred sierra]

Yes, but some of them are kind of a one-time effect (like bridal glow) which, for me at least, contributed to this perception

[spiral wadi]

is circe always going to give me the omega morph thing until i take it or something

i feel like i've taken it before and she still locks the 1st slot to that

[median anvil]

npcs will offer their extra unlocked option until you take it once yeah

[spiral wadi]

dam ok gonna have to burn a run for that then

[spiral wadi]

bone hydras are the true final boss of summit wtf

[surreal hazel]

Yeah they're terrible

Night blooming one is a free clear though

[spiral wadi]

unfortuantely i play magickless circe rn

[median anvil]

they're called land dracons and yes, if you don't have rivals4 they're the final boss

[nova nimbus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255288327893160099/1403163337704865822/image.png?ex=68968d31&is=68953bb1&hm=f07f955f11e647a5f3dd4e314561a912609cc61d8e93794ec6e7587d0025036a&

so i have this pretty standard build rn - i want to try dropping charon for excellence, and then dropping one 1-cost and one 2-cost to get lovers, which should activate queen

thoughts? and what do people think i should drop?

[narrow bramble]

can i still explode the skulls on special with looming igntion + medea skull? or is it after 0.7s only?

[median anvil]

yeah looming ignition works great on medea

[narrow bramble]

word ty!!!

any other tips appreciated.. this is greater chaos below lol (hecuba, medea, decent arcana and vows)

[median anvil]

excellence is actually mediocrity, don't use it
huntress only works on base attack and base special, so you can pass on it in many builds, you'll graduate from wayward son at some point and you can drop that too

[narrow bramble]

i keep losing on chronos

[olive sphinx]

drop the swift runner too
only use it if you need to get the column

[median anvil]

medea plays like: left click right click left click right click

load one attack at a time then blow it

[narrow bramble]

oh is it not worth to load multiuple/get array?

[olive sphinx]

also this is somewhat weapon dependent too so you need to tell us which aspect you like to play

[median anvil]

singular blasts are more dps over the long run

[nova nimbus]

this one specifically is for circe rn but usually circe - morrigan/artemis - mel torches - thanatos - i dont play skulls - nyx

[nova nimbus]

also really? ive heard that swift runner is just really convenient, would you use smth like the messenger instead then

[olive sphinx]

yeah the messenger is better i think.. but honestly drop both swift runner and huntress and get yourself lovers/artificer instead lol

[nova nimbus]

nodnods will consider

i could also consider dropping wayward son since i dont really need it, its kind of just a safety blanket that #feelsgood

[olive sphinx]

oh ok if you drop wayward son then you need the swift runner hahaha
activating the column is pretty good

[nova nimbus]

thumps up

vertical column seems like the cheapest to fill out bc of the awakenings but by god is night useless

i tried running it with than axe and its just disappointingly bad 😔

[olive sphinx]

night is only good on weapons where you cycle your omegas already.. for stuff like Momus for example night is mandatory

[nova nimbus]

ooh makes sense

yeah, i was thinking 16% than crit + 8% raki crit + 15% night couldve been fire but than crit goes on and off too often for me

ive either gotten worse at dodging lately or rivals bosses dont mess around, maybe both

[olive sphinx]

well because then you'd have to waste time using an o-special/cast between your o-attacks and that wastes a lot of time and DPS unfortunately

[nova nimbus]

see now im thinking messenger + lovers might enable that kind of thing though

since with messenger you can slide pretty easily between groups of enemies

but o-special focused than axe just doesnt really seem viable

[olive sphinx]

yeah ive never heard anyone doing it haha

[nova nimbus]

maybe with apollo's double dose...

either way really helpful tips ty!!

[olive sphinx]

no prob!! ❤️

[spiral wadi]

lost to rtyphon again cuz i thought i had icarus armor 8sec immunity but i didn't

i hate the fight so much oml

[spiral wadi]

it feels stupid but it was in the moment when i had the blue armor invul thing that made me think of icarus but it wasn't

[civic ocean]

How was Hephing

Is it strong

[spiral wadi]

oh i gave up on heph strat

funnily that same run i was aiming for blast spec then forgot about it and got freeze spec by accident

but i think freeze spec was the best play tbh, scorch pyro blitz was already doing numbers

[civic ocean]

Thats probably good for freezer burn if you get it too

[spiral wadi]

nah i had epic pyro tech, burns on its own just fine

i had like 3 mins by typhon and i would have won if i didn't get confused in the moment about icarus immunity and hitstun safety immunity

[civic ocean]

I am still pretty bad at prometheus and typhon too

Just end up sitting on top of Heracles and taking 400 damage

[spiral wadi]

i think it was also me rewatching my 62f attempt vid and ingraining the fact i didn't think bout icarus immunity at all, then this attempt i thought bout it too much

[civic ocean]

Its crazy that you made it all the way to typhon with icarus immunity

[spiral wadi]

yknow i feel like hard target messed with enemies for some reason cuz heracles and typhon felt slower... on specific moves

unexplained bacon gonna be so confused about this

[spiral wadi]

literally and i didn't even register it cuz i literally never care about icarus' effect post-armor lolol

it falls same problem with arachne where if u aren't hitless it's just useless

[civic ocean]

I don’t really want to force heph but I am not sure if there’s a world where Mel Skull can do 62 without some sort of power boost.

I am trying to do Ares + Grievous + Mutual + Huntress + Extra Dose + Secret Crush but even that feels like not enough

[spiral wadi]

ares meta

[civic ocean]

It does do a lot of damage I just like can’t quite get it over the hump against Prom and Typhon at 51

I wonder if Mel Skull is just mean to be O attack wep

it feels awful to play that way tho

Yeah I just looked up all the other clears and it's possessed array

[spiral wadi]

i don't think i could play mel skull just cuz of omega attack windup

[civic ocean]

I play normal atk I think it can work

[spiral wadi]

stack scorch,,

[civic ocean]

It's such a high base power right

[spiral wadi]

hmm maybe apollo

[civic ocean]

so it should in theory work well with high % and 2x and 3x

Which is why I do Ares Huntress Orig

[spiral wadi]

i could see smth like apollo atk ares spec

or hitch if u need room clears

[civic ocean]

The original build was:

Hitch atk
Dem freeze
Heph Armor

Get Cherished Heirloom
Stack up Silken Sash
take Antler to Typhon

[spiral wadi]

ah interesting

[civic ocean]

maybe I should just get good at the game and play that

[spiral wadi]

run antler in thessaly

[civic ocean]

The thing is that I kinda have to reset with Onion if I don't see Demeter

[spiral wadi]

tru

do u consider demeter thessaly or nah

[civic ocean]

idk maybe

I think god keepsakes in thessaly with onion are so bad

[spiral wadi]

makes sense

[formal pulsar]

Possessed array fine line weed killer build should still work, no?

I had a 55f run with pain 2 scars 2 and no onion so it should be possible to do a 62f run I think

[civic ocean]

Yeah I just dont wanna do possessed array I think

Yeah it just doesn't work on Prom I don't have enough dmg without antler

[formal pulsar]

But you are already building for hitch atk and dem cast. You might as well take Hecuba in case you high roll into possessed array. But I do understand if you don’t wanna do that and want to play the weapon another way.

[civic ocean]

im not sure the other way can work but imma keep trying for a bit longer

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1403193000418611350/Hades_II_-_2025-08-07_6-45-54_PM_-_TIME_CANNOT_BE_STOPPED.mp4 insane how much common hard target makes dodging easier, too bad it's still pain

[cerulean panther]

I just got a 32F Vor4 downstairs clear and Epic Hard Target meant that the bursts of orbs Chronos sent around himself went out about two feet and then retreated again.

[civic ocean]

this is probably the most discouraging thing I have ever seen lmao

[spiral wadi]

LMAO rtyphon is very discouraging overall

[olive sphinx]

if this is frenzy 2 and hard target makes it -40%.. does it just go back to its regular speed?

[spiral wadi]

hard target is -30% but good question

i want to say it multiplies by 0.7 since i feel like heracles projectiles get noticeably slower

[olive sphinx]

0.7 * 1.4 is 0.98

[spiral wadi]

0.02 speed diff (i could be wrong tho, some1 should fact check)

[olive sphinx]

yeah this is what i arrived at too

[nova nimbus]

topically since im on again, what do you think huntress is good for? i find that i do use basic attacks and specials quite often

[civic ocean]

Excellence is dope tbh

Huntress is good if you have lots of power on your wep

[nova nimbus]

also yeah, im still considering it but id have to take out boatman i think

origination is just crazy good

[civic ocean]

origination is fine yeah but I am usually subbing it out for excellence

[nova nimbus]

really? whats your train of thought?

[civic ocean]

If I think my build doesn't really need that much damage or would prefer power or other utility I go excellence instead