h2-builds-and-combat

[sour wigeon]

also his circle around you was impossible to run away from, you had to perfect dodge it or get hit

[cosmic steppe]

He's buffed by that in my book

[sour wigeon]

now u can just sprint away

[sour wigeon]

litterally just run in a circle around him and all his moves fail

[cosmic steppe]

I felt like I could before update, mostly evaded explosion damage

[cosmic steppe]

But I'm triadmaxxing bro

[jovial schooner]

Like, i get a boon I want early, buff it, do really well, get to either A. Charybdis B. Eris or C. the mech on olympus and lose most of my death defied.

[sour wigeon]

tf is that

[cosmic steppe]

Morgan aspect

[jovial schooner]

and then Prom too. Idk if it's my own skill or if i need to find a better build.

[sour wigeon]

it will come, when you learn their patterns, especially eris is very easy once you understand, all her moves are beaten by just standing behind her

[cosmic steppe]

If I run around I mess up my special coming back after aspect effect pop for quicker next proc

[glass bone]

I would say just more investment into Cast and Special. Maybe a Chaos boon to up the damage of Casts, perhaps Mental Block from Athena, Geyser Spout / Prominance Flare from Apollo, etc.

[sour wigeon]

well except the sniper, it will miss you if you go sideways from far enough

[jovial schooner]

My usual build is Mel staff with Hestia on special, bonus points if i can get the demeter duo.

[glass bone]

Alternatively, boost up other aspects like dodging, magick, or health

[sour wigeon]

yeah i meant more like boon options

[cosmic steppe]

That's it I'm gonna mod hollow knight soulheal into this game, prom will know better than spend 10 business days playing Simon says

[sour wigeon]

ill go full apollo then alright

[jovial schooner]

my other problem is most guides for recommended builds are horribly outdated.

[cosmic steppe]

What does increase with rarity on Dio post-fight heal boon?

[sour wigeon]

dw bro its not a competiton, testing stuff out and figuring nice combos is part of the fun!

try the chaos trials btw if you havent they show you some build ideas

[jovial schooner]

true. idk what to try next

[feral compass]

Does anyone have any good builds for Zorophet Aspect of Mel?

[jovial schooner]

I tried a few, could try some more ig.

[cosmic steppe]

Any torch aspect with hera specials, it's always a treat

[jovial schooner]

my go-to before this patch was torch with hestia, but they changed how the torches work.

[cosmic steppe]

Or specifically ||Supay|| with her sprint and different special

[glass bone]

How do you do with the Staff and Skull?

[jovial schooner]

Skull is alright, I'm not so good at retrieving the ammo if there's a lot of enemies clumped around it.

Staff i basically spam Special with a good boon like Hestia or Poseidon.

[cosmic steppe]

Romantic spark Medea skull will forever be my low effort no magick comfy build

[glass bone]

Ive recently gotten interested in running ||Persephone and Circe (Not sure if I need to spoiler them, but it guess I will anyway)||. They seem like they have really high highs, but also are a bit RNG dependent. (Though I also haven’t done a huge amount of runs with either, because “me want more bones” / Grave Thirst doesn’t let me pick favorites…).

[rain marsh]

has it taken anyone else awhile to get the hidden aspects . ive found 3 but the other ones are proving quite difficult

[cosmic steppe]

also they are SO contradicting themselves in their push for hex popularity with pretty much everything involving godsents

[glass bone]

To the former, getting a high roll on an attack / special boon in the first few locations seems busted.
To the latter, hammer spam with Anvil Ring + Winner’s Circle is just hilarious to witness. I nearly beat ||Rival 4 Chronos|| first try with ||Circe Staff||, but died… I won with another weapon eventually, but I am hoping such luck can come by again.

These two feel like the real winners of this patch of the old reworked weapons.

[cosmic steppe]

Like, firstly they require to already have a god in pool, already screws selene coat over because imo it's very much punching up the hill if you don't start first region with her keepsake, secondly, okay, you want to have gods present, but then why are godsents for gods you have not defaulted to show up as options first time you get selene? Why are they whole damn epics if they're one-time use without Athena? So many questions

[jovial schooner]

do you have to go into the underworld for the hidden aspects? cause i've made it to olympus and beyond a few times today and not gotten any.

[cosmic steppe]

Not a single godsent infusion aside from maybe Aphro is incomparably stronger than this hexes epics to a point where they're warranted to be limited in use IMHO

[cosmic steppe]

Not a single exclusive iirc

Moros is in camp, Medea and Circe are surface exclusives, selene Artemis and Charon appear wherever

[jovial schooner]

but what about ||the new ones?||

[cosmic steppe]

You get them by talking with these people

[jovial schooner]

oh, i thought that was for like, their own aspects. ok

guess i have to keep doing runs till the dialogue pops up or smth

[cosmic steppe]

Similar to previous game, you trigger hidden aspect unlock by talking to a person whose aspect you already have

[iron ember]

ok so, any tips to shiva?

[cosmic steppe]

I haven't had a good game with it where I didn't get the straight special/block stacks hammers

Secret crush, slow cooker seem good on it because it handles all the % increases on its own

[iron ember]

straight special?

Never seen that one. I'll see if I can find it on the way down. I just meant in terms of how i should use Shiva

[cosmic steppe]

Iirc you have to have one rank5 aspect on a weapon of a person you're talking to (not their aspect specifically, any) for the dialogue to be triggered, also one unlock per run

[cosmic steppe]

I believe ive seen it on boated's video, not in my games tho, I got the block one twice

[cosmic steppe]

Thing that helped me pick up most of my o-specials without forcing downtime on myself is charging it at the nps I'm not currently hiring right before I finish off the ones I am hitting so we arrive to the second pack simultaneously

[iron ember]

did they upgrade phlanx shot? seems to track enemies now

[cosmic steppe]

But that's too much a hustle to just make the gimmick work imo, they should buff it

[glass bone]

Got a question for folks here then; what would an early tier list of the weapons now look like? (At-least of the new / reworked, since I imagine there will be shifting opinions over the next few weeks/months, and I also feel like some broken combo could be found out with some weapons with the new/reworked boons).

[unkempt stratus]

Just got the closest ive gotten to beating rivals typhon and got one shot by a "stand here" move that had an egg filling the whole spot... is that something im gonna have to deal with every time?

[analog scarab]

Task: You're playing Supay aspect and you're have 0 mana. Eris has scattered bombs around you, there's fire behind you, and she's about to start shooting lasers. How do you avoid taking damage?

[iron ember]

WHAT??? WHAT??? THERE's. there's GEMS?

[iron ember]

try dodging? /j

[brazen ore]

you previously obtained mental block 🙂‍↕️

[iron ember]

jokes aside. sorry yes this is an important question. thank you ichigo kurosaki

[brazen ore]

this is one of those trick riddles! the doctor was his mother!

[iron ember]

WRONG.

the doctor was actually his other dad (who's a surgeon)

and also Apollo

[brazen ore]

classic mistaken, you forgot about the gays

[iron ember]

the gays in question:

[brazen ore]

(hercules and prometheus)

[iron ember]

my bf thought he was gay and then he's like. woah. look at this woman. maybe im bi actually

[iron ember]

god ok u just spoiled that but im not mad

[analog scarab]

I tried. I dashed twice through the lasers, barely clipped one of the bombs with special and died.

[brazen ore]

spoilers allowed in this channel

sorry lol

[iron ember]

well i didnt say it was against the rules, nerd

lmao

[elfin forge]

o special and cast, det the bombs from afar or when they get placed

[analog scarab]

0 mana

[brazen ore]

hestia scorch cast?

[elfin forge]

hope you got a lingering cast then

hestia, dem, heph, maybe poseidon and zeus idk

[analog scarab]

Without Omega Special, there's no way to remotely detonate the bombs. And there's definitely no time for a charged cast either.

[elfin forge]

hm?

just put the cast before the bombs drop, then exit the aoe

[brazen ore]

not charged cast, reg cast

[elfin forge]

they will then insta detonate

if you're boonless and manaless somehow, idk

[analog scarab]

you also can't charge cast without mana....

[brazen ore]

thats why i said not charged cast

[elfin forge]

just pick a cast boon bro

you got 2 zones to pick one up

[analog scarab]

By those two zones, I'd gotten Heroic Static Electricity with Heph duo. I had no cast, no attack.,,

[elfin forge]

that sounds like a build issue then

[analog scarab]

Honestly, I had more than enough damage... this aspect is straight-up broken

[brazen ore]

i feel like those are just the risks you take from hyperoptimizing your dps esp on something where you don't really have targeted ranged options

[manic harbor]

Am I right to assume aspect of Medea is to be played basically the same as aspect of Beowulf from the shield in Hades?

[neon crown]

no gain boon is def a issue on supay

[elfin forge]

idk but its very spammy. One attack, one special, over and over again. Avoid wide grin.

[analog scarab]

Where does ‘gain’ even come into this? All my mana is reserved. That’s just how it works when you run this Oath

[split igloo]

Mutual destruction is so busted on nergal with max health boost

3k a hit how is that allowed😂

[odd moat]

gang whats the best morrigan build

[split igloo]

Ares and heph build

[neon crown]

oh high heat? diddnt know

[split igloo]

Ares attack , heph special , mutual desctruction and blood dro

[analog scarab]

Obviously. Otherwise, I’d just facetank everything and casually stroll to the next zone...

[manic harbor]

I feel like Arterial Spray would work with Poseidon on attack to get the double hit with splash, wouldn't it? Chance to hit twice and push enemies away feels pretty useful with something like this.

[forest heart]

how do I use aspect of momus?

[hexed frost]

yeah Anubis int for me. Maybe I'm still rusty. Tried it but it's not my style

[analog scarab]

Haven’t tried playing this aspect above Fear 40 yet, but my first impression is that it scales well with percent-based attacks—if you have hammers boosting it. Otherwise, you’d need something flat-damage effect like scorch

[elfin forge]

I always use zeus special and then a good attack like ares or hera

[elfin forge]

dont percents not buff triad though

[brazen ore]

i didnt think anything buffed triad

[elfin forge]

that 777 number refuses to budge

[brazen ore]

but i could be stupid

yeah man i got you dw

[analog scarab]

Just take Hestia’s attack. ‘attack’ + ‘cast,’ then run circles while enemies die. No Omega attack or special needed

[brazen ore]

payment up front tho

[elfin forge]

<@&456908176877551658>

[brazen ore]

its not even barking up the wrong tree at that point my dude is in the wrong forest

[analog scarab]

Look, I’m operating under the assumption that I’ll have no mana anyway—because let’s be real, that’s how it always ends up on Hight fear. I just focused on attack builds, and it works well

[bleak night]

Scorch is the best Attack on it imo

[brazen ore]

it wasnt a knock against you. also i guess i just figured with the high attack rate on morrigan, flat damage would be better than percentage unless you were trying to buff triad, which i didnt think was possible. but i havent really compared them

[bleak night]

flat damage is better unless you only use dash attacks ye

the normal hits strike 3x

[brazen ore]

that tracks that tracks. good to know

[odd moat]

off topic but i love hestia meta

[bleak night]

she's very strong right now yeah

[odd moat]

fav goddess since i was a kid

[stoic tinsel]

do I want rapid driver or colossus driver on medea

also since when was hestia meta and on what things

[brazen ore]

as she deserves to be

[analog scarab]

On my first run, I grabbed the scorch attack, then stacked hammer upgrades for attack damage—and by the end, my basic attack Did 4 times more than the scorch....

[odd moat]

highest fear run has been freezer burn for a long time

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217110523091357747/1385293161148186716/image.png?ex=6858d60b&is=6857848b&hm=744ab25f67ddce07c2b514128d43be2e2b894d4b4bd59b2e684f37c7eaa26cfc&

Scorch wildin

[stoic tinsel]

that's interesting

how was scorch reworked btw, it seems different

[brazen ore]

its much more damage

[glass bone]

That probably needs a spoiler because of ||Heracles||.

[bleak night]

Anubis and Morrigan love it a lot and it's not bad on Supay either. ngl I haven't touched a single non-hidden aspect yet

[odd moat]

cus u need attack speed and not damage

[analog scarab]

Oh, I know it works—but if you stack the right hammers, that percentage-based attack can just ascend to the goddamn stratosphere

[brazen ore]

spoilers allowed in this channel

[bleak night]

spoilers allowed channel tho no

[glass bone]

Oh

[brazen ore]

itd be kinda tough to discuss builds without them tbf

[stoic tinsel]

scorch no longer needs to be applied per hit it seems?

[odd moat]

on like all of the new hiddens and most fast attacking weapons

[bleak night]

Sure, but the big thing about Scorch and the new EMs is that you want to hit and run. If you go Scorch you can tag the enemy a ton and then run away and let it tick, since you won't be able to stick to your target 24/7 to make the % boost uptime live to its fullp otential

[stoic tinsel]

that's quite true

[bleak night]

% boosts like Aphro and Hera are good if you do hit that juicy Wicked Onslaught, but you do still want the option to smack and then focus on evading without losing out on damage

[stoic tinsel]

btw my first question hasn't been answered yet

[bleak night]

what was it ?

[glass bone]

I wasn’t certain how they work here since I just joined, and it just says “discussion just have spoiler marks”. My mistake.

[stoic tinsel]

I've been offered rapid driver vs colossus driver on medea

[bleak night]

it's np, sorry if it was a spoiler tho I kinda forgot about that

[bleak night]

Colossus usually no

30 power and damage reduction is preferable over what Mega offers

[stoic tinsel]

that seems the intuitive choice

rapid is 35% faster special. in theory more spammable but harder to get the most of that

also isn't morrigan just crazy busted for high heat? early damage is automatically solved, can take utility for later

[odd moat]

btw if anyone’s curious scalding vapor on anubis is real good

[bleak night]

yeah it's pretty great

[analog scarab]

Anubis and Supay feel like straight-up cheating. You barely need to do anything to deal damage—just focus on dodging 90% of the time while everything dies on its own

Feels like the devs made these aspects for themselves. I remember watching them struggle against the first boss on stream...

[wary kernel]

There's finally a "after you take damage" aspect to use it and there's few boons

[glass bone]

I feel like that’s kind of the point for Supay. Automatic damage for lower amounts, leading to a weapon that is far more reliant on dodging. Key word is the point, not in practice.

[bleak night]

try Anubis vs P3 Chronos rq and you'll feel how mismatched it is. I honestly struggled with that fight a lot

[analog scarab]

I cleared both Chronos and Typhon with Chronos using Anubis.

[strong dawn]

Anubis was one of my few R Chronos clear but just barely.
He kept wrecking me with Hel for some reason. (well one time my toe was over the line on insta kill)

[analog scarab]

You just hit the usual attack with Scorch and cast after that, then you run. That's the whole gameplay.

[strong dawn]

The new clocks were annoying me with all the healing and it doesn't feel like the -50 adds Hades boon really affects them

[split igloo]

yall sleeping on nergal

aphro attack + mutual destruction g brrrrrrr

[bleak night]

I don't find it that good ngl

[split igloo]

ill send yoiu the video myn

[bleak night]

I just find it the worst of the Axes + the worst of the hidden aspects

[split igloo]

its busted with that setup

[bleak night]

dw I get how it works, just that it's slow compared to the others and I'm a lil lost on how to make it work vs super fast Rivals-boosted bosses

haven't been able to get Shiva working either

[blissful marsh]

Shiva feels way worse than Nergal imo

[analog ether]

Had my first crack at Rivals Typhon.

Lost, but honestly, didn't feel that bad.

His tongue slams are annoying.

[vagrant river]

idk i think Aspect of Hel is by far the best hidden aspect, if not best aspect out of all of them, just get Pos/Ares in the mix and you can really mix/match any otner gods and it COOKS

[elfin forge]

absolutely man, why are they so fast and back to back

[fading shore]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXUyyVIiBsQ&ab_channel=CerberFox||

[elfin forge]

maybe it's just a skill issue or a frenzy 1 issue idk

[fading shore]

New Skull aspect and Ares plasma (blood drops) are insane

[analog ether]

Nah, even baseline they're pretty fast.

[fading shore]

also I think there is new bug with Athenas keepsake

I didnt encounter her at the Summit

[analog ether]

Hades 2: Powerwash Simulator Edition 😆

[fading shore]

That run was so dumb

I got death defiances

from circe
When im playing with strength...

[spare kite]

Defiances for free is nice a lot of the time imo

[manic harbor]

Do loaded shells unload if you get hit with aspect of Medea? I swear there's times I load shells, then when I do my special there's no blast, and none of them were loaded.

[spare kite]

They explode after 3s/hitting an enemy with the special/hitting a wall

What I can think is that you got hit and got staggered of loading a shell in the first place

[fading shore]

Rival Cronos is much harder than Typhon imo

[manic harbor]

It must be the stagger thing

[pseudo pond]

any build ideas for nergal?

[willow phoenix]

Apollo special then Giga Cleaver + Exceptional Talent for O special

very fun very brain dead build, probably the best build for Nergal tbh

[wary kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/820439260325871638/1386408608123719811/image.png?ex=68599922&is=685847a2&hm=8c5eda6c507b4986c2450ee16f7ba55f6ee123f471fb4fe5faeb0dc7c094ca83&

[wary kernel]

this above is the best build, literally just smassh atack and tank everything

Just tank every hit, deal damage with divine vengeance, heal, repeat

[willow phoenix]

I mean that's less of a nergal build and just a super tanky run. And if you want to go super tanky then you should go Warm Breeze + Brave Face too

O special spam is like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK-T29_G50I

[elfin forge]

31 minutes is kinda concerning though

[wary kernel]

yeah if i don't want to tank why would i go nergal

[elfin forge]

wheres the damage though?

[willow phoenix]

You can't realistically hit 500 health every run

[wary kernel]

600* and i never dropped below 200 health

[wary kernel]

if i want damage i go morringan

[elfin forge]

it's just that for a good build we're generally aiming for something that kills rivals in about 20 minutes

[wary kernel]

not gonna lie, this looks superfun

[wary kernel]

i'm looking for fun not for speedrun

[elfin forge]

that's different from best then though

[wary kernel]

it's the best for me, because it's the more fun, not the more optimal

[heady jewel]

i kinda hate the coat (all 4 aspects), maybe idk how to build/play it, whats a good coat build?

[willow phoenix]

which coat

[heady jewel]

any, just for grave thirst

[plush vapor]

i did a zeus aphro build on it for 32 fear which was good

although their duo is just good on like anything

[indigo viper]

Is there any guide for em chronos/typhon? I managed to get to the phase 3 but get killed

[analog ether]

I have decided that the worst part of Rivals Eris, is actually if she summons the hippocamps.

[mystic shell]

I liked taking selene's with zeus special and aphrodite on anything. Then I just made sure to upgrade the hex as it buffs omega movements. It's a build in which you will be kiting, but was fun for me

[iron ember]

any advice for ||upgraded eris?||

[analog ether]

Because they have the most annoying habit of just hanging out over the flaming tar.

[plush vapor]

i find it easier than normal eris
what are you struggling with?

[iron ember]

i find it difficult to avoid the beams and i dotn know when her mines go off

[willow phoenix]

I like Nyx, you can do something like Poseidon on special and Hestia on attack
Just trigger Nightspawn and mash attack special, maybe get Scalding Vapor later

For Mel coat, you can probably do something like Poseidon attack, Exhaust Riser Hammer, Static Shock, Master Conductor

For Selene, if you want to try the new Ares Godsent then start with Ares keepsake then special, you'd want to get Lance of Ares and preferably Prism and Ferocity Hex upgrade. If you get Zenith upgrade then you want an attack with a trigger effect like Poseidon with splash or Hera with Hitch. I personally don't really like using O attack so I just cycle between O special and O cast to charge sky fall. If you do get Lance of Ares, try to get Athena for Task Force for more uses of it. If possible also get Geyser Spout from Poseidon for big O cast damage

[willow phoenix]

the bombs explode when damaged by anything

[iron ember]

nyx is unironically not that great for coat

[willow phoenix]

nah Nyx got buffed big time

[iron ember]

gotcha gotcha ill keep that in mind

[iron ember]

oh really? ill check it out

[willow phoenix]

The nightspawn now also triggers boon effects like Splash and Scorch, so putting poseidon on special causes tons of splash and you can spread something like scorch or hitch easily

[indigo viper]

Same as normal. When you see laser, go behind her.
My personal any em bosses kinda-like-cheatcode ist even base Dark side. plz, SG, don't nerf it.
It is "dps loss" but gives you 6 s (or more with upgrade) invuleabry, so you can avoid bosses dmg window (e.q. Chronos' one hits, Prometheus' flame, Typhon's lick and so on)

[split igloo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XxBR7Z0ewQ&ab_channel=DrGoon @bleak night

[iron ember]

she doesnt have the laser pointer thing before her shots

[spare kite]

I have a fight recorded for typhon but is not guide if that helps

[split igloo]

video is looped for some reason

[indigo viper]

If you will share, I'm willingly take!

[spare kite]

(circe/raki/frenzy 1) https://youtu.be/44u-Tjz1hkI?t=2m15s

[plush vapor]

how do you play persephone
ive never really done it before but its been buffed so i want to give it a go

[spare kite]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1240087136531648534/1385073800193904762/206E0F1.JPG?ex=68595b3f&is=685809bf&hm=c50e1b42dba0ca7acc6856a7f3144a1f3f30b07607f0cd7ad17f6b7523e7f7ca& also the build @indigo viper

[willow phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt6B00OirHg
Rivals Chronos, but I kinda screwed up a lot at p3. But you can see how a lot of p3 is just waiting

[indigo viper]

Ty!, so I should just try to save as much life and try to dodge with help of apollo.

[spare kite]

Can always do warm breeze

[willow phoenix]

Try a blast build with it, start with blast attack preferably at 2 or 3 seconds. Then get Apollo for Back Burner. Then get the blast related boons with the most important being chain reaction then Room temperature then Rude Awakening/Love Handles

[plush vapor]

ok awesome sauce

[spare kite]

Is room temperature that good?

[willow phoenix]

If you get to 2 secs blast you get perma freeze which is good

Look at this
https://youtu.be/B9LJP7C9xOY

[spare kite]

Oh that's nasty

[willow phoenix]

50% slow on bosses all the time is very good

[spare kite]

Oh that's how much it slows them? Damn

[willow phoenix]

a lot of blast duos only really comes alive with low cd blast which is a shame

[elfin forge]

heph really is the grower, not the shower

[willow phoenix]

Love how back burner actually works with blast too, but dunno if that's actually intended lol

You can get like a constant 2k+ blast with it

[manic harbor]

If I have Zeus on my special when using the coat, and picked up arc flash, does charging up an omega special both apply and trigger the blitz damage in one salvo, or do I need to use a second omega move to trigger it?

[willow phoenix]

it happens in that one salvo

[rain marsh]

lol flames hidden aspect is absolutely bonkers. what do you mean i dont have to do anything but run around?

[drifting sierra]

any recommendations for the aspect of supay?

[rain marsh]

lol my run just now was so fun tbh. zeus on dash, hestia on attack, aphro on cast, demeter on special

[cosmic steppe]

Don't have marble for it but I got hera dash build with ares attack and Aphro special (highest %dmg boosts) chambered for when I get enough

You may try it and get back with feedback lmao

Maybe Aphro special with poseidon attack and their duo is more optimal bc idk whether omega special is past the range for "closeby enemies"

[willow phoenix]

breaker rush spam, or heat rush spam

Hestia and Pos is very good with it, get their curse. Just hunt for orig and just spam the dash

[drifting sierra]

okey

[cosmic steppe]

But I did enjoy meli torches with hera specials so with Supay I wondered whether you could put higher damaging boon on an a autofire special and get hitch from the dash instead for better results

[willow phoenix]

nah hitch on dash is very bad lol

[spare kite]

There are better damaging rushes is the thing

[drifting sierra]

trying to figure it out how i can unlock vow of rivals 3 now so i can move further

[willow phoenix]

beat both rivals 2

[cosmic steppe]

I intend to take it for curse, not for its own damage

Imo autofire is good enough of a gimmick to rely on it

[willow phoenix]

you can put hitch on special or cast, but your main damage should always be the dash

it's just that stupid good with breaker or heat rush

[cosmic steppe]

Breaker is my least favorite dash bc of no splash synergy

We could be so much higher...

[willow phoenix]

you don't need it when you get like 500 damage per rush

and you can just put poseidon on attack or special or slippery slope

[cosmic steppe]

My fav dash putting aside the novelty factor of ares (got barely any playtime in warcry) is probably heras tho

So I'd suffer a plenty of runs to make it work

[willow phoenix]

The thing with Hera dash is that it only deals damage once on applying hitch

so it's very not good vs bosses or any enemy with enough health

[cosmic steppe]

Calling it here, bosses should be plausible for 3 hitch applications

[drifting sierra]

so you basically play with dash and sprint with supay?

[willow phoenix]

yeah

[elfin forge]

yeah

[cosmic steppe]

Yeah, you maintain omega uptime and run around with breaker/bladerush ideally

[drifting sierra]

i see, really weird gameplay, gonna give it a try. i am sitting around 30m searching how to play her with this aspect

[willow phoenix]

With Breaker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HGHzxEYZyw
With Heat Rush
https://youtu.be/0WXAlzt-Luw

[cosmic steppe]

I'm absolutely dumbfounded by Anubis tho

[willow phoenix]

don't even need o special really

[drifting sierra]

aa thanks for the videos, appreciated

[cosmic steppe]

It's so UNWIELDY, why is it even possible for special to remove them from attack

Why can't it hit an invisible wall when doing that

Also attack needs at least a 1s CD, way too punishing on double taps

I will accept every "skill issue" coming my way but will still die on this hill

[willow phoenix]

I think people just need to use the O special more and the O attack less on anubis tbh
Also the attack and dash attack have very different speed so just use the dash attack imo

like this anubis run is good reference imo

[elfin forge]

I just don't o attack, and use special occasionally

[cosmic steppe]

And I will still say that thematically it should've been an axe aspect so for once we would have a character revealing their actual colleagues aspect

Anubis is basically half of what Charon is, the other being taweret

[willow phoenix]

All the characters that reveal it are the Unseen members related to the weapon, so since Circe used the staff she's the one that reveals anubis

[civic salmon]

For the fates thing where you have to complete any two all random chaos runs or whatever, I completed the underworld and surface all random challenges but still didn't get it
What am I missing?

[willow phoenix]

All of them are the 2nd aspect wielder in the pool

[willow phoenix]

I think they have like a back to back requirement

[cosmic steppe]

I meant that if Anubis was an axe aspect we would have Charon reveal him and it'd be like him speaking of a work buddy

[willow phoenix]

maybe or maybe not, since they did say it's a whole different underworld

[cosmic steppe]

Oh wait feedback CD is down, need to post hex rant

[analog quail]

how does aphrodite attack work with anubis?

[spare kite]

Should be the distance of you and the enemy

[analog quail]

so if an enemy is in a field taking boosted damage and i move farther away it'll lose the bonus?

[wintry ore]

yes

[spare kite]

Yeah, eos works the same so that's my assumption

[wintry ore]

aphro attack on axe is good but i feel like it's kinda meh w/ most weapon since the game kinda rewards attacking from a distance

[spare kite]

Just get island getaway ez

[cosmic steppe]

Hot take, skyfall should be 60 magick baseline and upgradeable passive of the aspect should mirror that of her keepsake (aside from showing up in first room)

[willow phoenix]

probably, I just don't really like how little upgrades sky fall has

#h2-feedback message @cosmic steppe
I think you're underating some of the godsent a lot. Hestia, Zeus, and Apollo are very strong and kinda deserved being one use outside of task force

Personally my rating of them is
Very strong standalone: Zeus, Hestia, Aphro
Requires a lot of investment but very strong: Apollo, Ares, Hera
Kinda meh but ok: Demeter, Heph
Trash: Poseidon

[cosmic steppe]

Funny thing is, you want ares for the infusion, but you don't want his attack because you waste your rare infusion that gives attack boons props since godsent applies wounds on its own, and his special feels meh on coat, and his cast is just a bad option when you could instead take the utility of Aphro/demeter

[willow phoenix]

the special got buffed, it's decent

||https://youtu.be/eXDcUxoA-8M||
look at this damage lol

[cosmic steppe]

No I won't sorry

[willow phoenix]

also I think you're confusing infusion with godsent, infusion is the element boon

[cosmic steppe]

I've only allowed myself to be spoiled r1-2 fights, proud to have entered both r3s and r4 chronos blind

[cosmic steppe]

It's a misuse, not confuse

[willow phoenix]

eh same thing

[cosmic steppe]

Difference is awareness of the mistake and lack of care about it

[willow phoenix]

fine here on tail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAzJ7a5REEY

[livid kiln]

Reckless abandon seems horrendous, am I missing something here? I am struggling to think of a build that would prefer reckless abandon to all other methods of achieving attack damage

[willow phoenix]

probably something like hel

[cosmic steppe]

i think I'ma try to run selene with universal dmg boosts

[spare kite]

I like it on supay if using the atk as curse application

[willow phoenix]

you kinda have to hunt for it for ares godsent since that's the only way it really scales

[livid kiln]

The numbers don't add up - the average damage on reckless abandon, even with rarity and success rate, is so abysmally low that any choices of boons beat it on low power attacks

[cosmic steppe]

Just hit me that them and attack boons with that rare PoS upgrade are the only ways for it to benefit from all the power it gets from PoS and wounds

[spare kite]

It doesn't inherit % buffs iirc

[livid kiln]

Yeah, it's "exactly"

[spare kite]

No I mean for the PoS upgrade

[cosmic steppe]

Feels lame to give so much "power" buffs to something that is heavily limited in what % boosts work on it

[spare kite]

Is only extra effects that it applies iirc?

[willow phoenix]

yeah just the effect

[cosmic steppe]

Says any effects

[willow phoenix]

so you need Ferocity upgrade for it to really scale and global damage buffs

[spare kite]

So it will do hitch but no increased dmg from the atk boon

Is ferocity the +20% per repeated strike

[willow phoenix]

50% now

[cosmic steppe]

It felt like Aphro attack helped, but it was 20f no rivals so I was kinda too busy to really look

[spare kite]

Oh what, holy

[cosmic steppe]

I also died so no dmg chart

[willow phoenix]

yea that's why my sky fall was reaching 2k+ per hit

[heady jewel]

beach ball maybe

[cosmic steppe]

They done removed the only legendary dash boon before releasing Supay huh

[spare kite]

is now hestia's dash

[plush beacon]

Tried a 20 heat run with revenant on instead of forfeit, and revenant is still the worst vow imo

[forest oxide]

I have hestia on special and Demeter on attack for Supay - is Freezer Burn advisable here? It sounds counterintuitive but I’m not sure

[willow phoenix]

It's probably not that much damage but still an increase, just don't get cold storage as it will kill your scorch

[cerulean panther]

If Godsent Hexes didn't eat Sublime upgrades that are 99 times out of 100 more useful then they'd be okay.

But Apollo overwriting Trinity handicaps Lunar Ray's potential damage big-time if you can generate that little Magick more than once per room.

[zenith basin]

@willow phoenix I just checked your clip above. That was insane

[willow phoenix]

You can get both but the path rng is annoying

[cerulean panther]

I also had Ares eat Cascade on Selene once. I just reset the run.

If you get two Sublimes, sure.

[willow phoenix]

Yesh that's why the path rng is very annoying

But imo that only really matters for lunar ray and sky fall

Hestia, Zeus, Aphro, Hera is a straight upgrade no matter the situation

Demeter too most of the time

[cerulean panther]

Demeter can and will eat "crit+ during Phase Shift" and that's a bridge too far for me.

[dapper elbow]

What weapon/ aspect has a high survival rate against unrivaled chronos. I die constantly for stage 3. I am using meda

[cerulean panther]

Maybe I need to try building Hexes more, but they've been so inconsistent-to-mid all this time that I still avoid them more often than not.

I also want Possessed Array to be reverted so it can charge Hexes again and Medea nerfed like it deserves.

[willow phoenix]

Eh it's more of an alternative upgrade, demeter allows you to clear room much faster and you won't get the huge added hex cost too with godsent

It is one of the weaker godsent though yea

Phase shift with the crit upgrade is like 180 cost which can be very high for some aspects

[indigo viper]

Damn, imagine hidden aspect with pre-nerf Zeus' dash.

[timid cape]

How does aspect of Shiva work?
Are you supposed to block to build ranks? Or just absorb your own omega special

[cerulean panther]

Kinda like Eris from H1, stand in the blast of your Omega Special to build stacks.

[timid cape]

Gotcha! thanks

[plush vapor]

do % add onto blood triad dmg

[analog ether]

Nope.

[plush vapor]

or does it just stay locked at 777

aw

[analog ether]

Only way to buff Triad is with the Hammer.

Brings it up to 999

[brave dove]

supay

[elfin forge]

is raki/crit in general good with hestia builds?

also can stuff like waves or blitz crit? they do right?

[rain marsh]

i beat r4 with the knives last night but supay i can see being so simple as its just a dodging simulartor lol

[woeful moth]

Need help with em dog. Especially when you are not allowed to leave center arena. How am I supposed to dodge when the whole arena is covered with circles.

[rain marsh]

its rough but there are smal gaps in between the concentric circles

[wintry ore]

some of the circles trigger later than others, so stand on one of the circles that appeared last. then when the circles that appeared first trigger and disappear, dash there

[rain marsh]

whats difficult is dodging the circles while dodging cerburses paws

the paws have a very specific slam then swipe iwth the other paw animation

[strong dawn]

I think he always slams in front and then swipes backwards after

[woeful moth]

I don't have problem with this pattern. But the pattern when all circles trigger at the same time. It's guaranteed taking damage for me

[rain marsh]

there are definitely gaps in between the circles. i havent seen a pattern that's compeltely covered. also, if you dash at the right time, i believe there are some i-frames

[woeful moth]

Isn't that are also covered by the dog slam?

[versed heath]

See my problem with it is that it turns out I'm just not very good. Ya boi getting humbled hard by the damn dog

[rain marsh]

hoenstly incredibly fair. if you've unlocked hidden aspects the best to get good is to equip hidden torches and just go in with the mentality of learning the mechanics

[elfin forge]

rivals cerb feels incredibly variable. I've had fights where he moves around all day, doing firestream breaths. I've also had fights where he never left the middle island.

[spare kite]

You can get a hammer for another +222, same for heph's legendary for another
There's also a hammer that gives triad a chance to hit twice

[plush vapor]

awesome
had a pretty good build going with it but died to em eris

[spare kite]

Happens

[balmy hare]

does success rate work on mortality

[rain marsh]

ive not tried a hephastus build since the update. is it still good?

[spare kite]

Iirc yeah? Idk if its visually displayed

[loud moat]

Yes Heph is really good. What sorta build are you thinking about?
BING BONG? Just Anvil Ring?

He got a bit of a nerf with Security System being just armor now, but heavily armored gives your attacks base damage based on armor which is nice

[spare kite]

Persephone makes the clangs a lot more usable now due to the starting poms

[elfin forge]

can you crit with triad

[rain marsh]

yes im only familair withe bing bongs. slow weapons worked best for that if i recall?

[spare kite]

Nope

[elfin forge]

do I just not take raki then

[spare kite]

If you think you won't benefit from the crit chance on other dmg sources

[willow acorn]

Hey uh how the heck do I get the pets cuz I’ve run into the dog and the ferret like 20 times and I can’t like give them treats or anything.

[spare kite]

Have you gotten the other 3 pets? (Frog/bird/cat)

[willow acorn]

No bird

[spare kite]

Is in the erebus fountain chamber

[willow acorn]

I’ve seen it at least once but I’ve probably ignored it 30 times now lol uhg thanks.

[spare kite]

You need all 3 of the first pets alongside the 3 pet related incantations so hecate can give you permission for the other 2

[willow acorn]

Thanks.

[loud moat]

Anything really. Depending on the weapon and number of Poms you get, Bingbongs can be the primary damage source or a nice addition to another DPS engine.

They’re a great way to proc blitz quickly.

Wounds + Grievous Blow means you can have a chance at 200% damage on both the weapon damage hit AND the bingbong.

They can crit AND count as Olympian damage and so get boosted by Ares Rallying Cry as well as Hera Extended Family.

[misty estuary]

I havent played in a year or so, what´s it changed, last time i remember the path to the surface had 2 floors only

[cerulean panther]

The game is very nearly complete.

There's maybe a few gameplay elements and the end of the story left, for whenever the next update (which is full release) happens.

[surreal hazel]

Everything

[loud moat]

Can go to the top and fight ||Typhon||

More/different boons. Added Ares. Added hidden aspects. Some new animal companions too.

[misty estuary]

Dang

[surreal hazel]

So much qol. Crossroads cosmetics

Waaaaaay more dialogue and storylines

[elfin forge]

There are now:
6 weapons, 4 aspects for each
5 familiars
Up to 67 fear
8 bosses total, 4 per route
9 gods, 9 hexes
Extreme measures, now called Vow of Rivals

[misty estuary]

this weapon looks kinda cool, nocturnal arms? idk if its even new or not lol, what boons are good for them

[cinder meadow]

Hi guys, just got back into hades 2 after the update and I wanted to ask what’s the most broken build as of now with all the new stuff included

[surreal hazel]

Oh yeah, the coat

[elfin forge]

black coat

[elfin forge]

Hidden torch aspect, Supay, with Hestia Special and Dash.

[pallid garden]

"nocturnal arms" refers to all the weapons in the game, collectively. but yeah the coat is the new one that they added a couple updates back

[misty estuary]

How do i get it? the coat

[elfin forge]

black coat is from uh, I think reaching 3rd zone of surface?

[pallid garden]

you need to get to 3rd surface zone and it requires Adamant (mined with the pickaxe)

[brave dove]

patterns that are completely covered exist but have slightly offset timing on some of them so you can stand in one red zone and then dash to where one just went off

[surreal hazel]

You can dash when stood in one if you really need to

[cinder meadow]

How can I unlock Supay? I tried searching but nothing came up

[misty estuary]

The boon that makes you regain fp when cast expires, who was it from?

[brave dove]

talk to moros but you need all torches unlocked and rank v in at least one of them

also other dialogue might be queued it doesn't have particular priority

[cinder meadow]

Thank you!

[silent crow]

appollo

[plush beacon]

Any advice for surface rivals 3?

[rain marsh]

run

but actually i used a range buld and played keep away

the extra friend isnt too dangerous if you listen for the long range slam attacks and keep away from spins

hestia cast particularly useful

[elfin forge]

kill prom first

learn to do memory game while kiting heracles around

[brave dove]

it's easiest with run and gun builds

[plush beacon]

Currently on a Selene Shine run so let’s see how it fares

[rain marsh]

i see the potential with shine but i havent had a rrun feel realyl good yet

[south copper]

does it feel like to anyone else Typhons tail has a lot more i-frames now?

[hushed spoke]

Beat both Chronos and Typhon on Rivals 4 today, finally. Gonna take a break before I attempt higher fear lol

[rain marsh]

congrats! ive not passed rivals typhon yet

[hushed spoke]

I just beat him with Charon aspect, big Nova flourish, Apollo legendary and a bunch of dodge/daze. 27% wispy wiles was the real MVP NGL

350k Special damage to 65k Casts as the second best lol

[elder birch]

is hera or apollo better for anubis?

[misty estuary]

Dang eris is hard ash

[dapper elbow]

How do I build supy

[misty skiff]

with rival polyphemus, sometimes the mandrakes are dry even though i did not drink from them. why are they dry?

[spare kite]

I think he destroys one of the wells at the last phase?

[elfin forge]

each phase

so in total he destroys two wells

when he goes immune, he'll jump at a corner, which disables the well there

[rain marsh]

i just did it for the first time and zeus dash is very fun 😄

[misty skiff]

aphrodite boons affect "nearby" foes. How do I know wht counts as nearby? It obviously works with melee weapons. But if I'm using a ranged attack, how do I know the cut off distance where the bonues no longer has an effect?

[mild silo]

There is no indication in-game, you can try testing it yourself by just attacking enemies at various distances and seeing if the damage boost applies to get a feel for it. IIRC the distance is fairly short, like if you get the staff hammer that boosts attack range the tip of the hitbox is out of it. Though it's been a while since I tested, so I might be wrong

[rain marsh]

that might be a fun add for aprhodite, a light indiciator circle that fades when you're not 'near' an enemy

[spare kite]

Is like the radius of your cast iirc

The very edge of the axe's spin doesn't get the bonus for example

[plush beacon]

Fumbled such a free 20f Charon run on Prom, still can’t quite figure out herc’s timings

[mild silo]

For the Unrivalled Scylla fight, is it normal that at the very last phase when she summons a ton of fish/jellys, she always rotates fast enough that she is with her back to you 100% of the time, rotating almost instantaneously if you dash through her? Or is it a bug? This was on Vow of Frenzy 2.

I was caught very unawares because I was out of mana, and the Cercy staff laser annoyingly gets blocked by her shell, and my only way to restore mana to omega cast her was the Apollo boon

[rain marsh]

i dont believe she's THAT fast. though my main issue is dodging carybdis balls XD

[sage flame]

she does just rotate in a circle and pretty sure

[mild silo]

oh I have issues with that as well, there is way too much going on during that fight

[mild silo]

I did spend a while running around her because I couldn't stop with all the fish chasing me, and she was rotating at the same speed I was circling. Then, when I tried getting closer to her through all the jellyfish, when I dashed through her, it felt like she rotated much faster. I didn't want to try again after that and didn't pay attention to what she was doing when I decided to suck it up and stick inside the cast to get mana from Apollo, so I am not sure if she kept rotating when I wasn't running around her.

[silent crow]

her back isnt toward u 100% of the time but its rly fast i just drop some omega casts until she dies

[sick tide]

Hmm, is the best axe aspect still Thanatos? I tried Charon with Unrivaled bosses and even with the Arcana to slow things during omegas I just felt too stationary, so trying to decide whether I want to try Than or Melinoe's next. Nergal is...too slow for me to personally enjoy

[fleet inlet]

What's a good boon combo to keep origination time up if you're playing a fast attack/special weapon?

[sick tide]

Also does the morrigan omega attack just…not go off sometimes? It feels like it just doesn’t work some of the times I try it

[proven edge]

anyone got a torch guide I can follow so I can finish up all its testaments

[crystal burrow]

Been testing strength vs DD, I can safely say Supergiant did a good job at making them balanced. Strength feels better on the surface because HP stacking seems to be easier but its not head and shoulders better like it used to be. I will say I do miss having Athena keepsake be an option when I take DD.

[silent crow]

blade oatk is always jank

[crystal burrow]

Cast Omega is probably the most consistent way I found to proc morrigan vs non-bosses

[misty skiff]

does ares plasma benefit builds that focus on omega attacks? for example, does it make the axe spin attack spin faster?

[wooden berry]

Made shiva work now... honestly, what made the build work was making it hex-centric. I was basically the whole time as dark side. It is less dps but it is safe dps

[sudden inlet]

You can also proc the Blood Triad with O Cast, but yes. There are times where the O Attack feels weird on it.

[plush beacon]

Supay, Zeus dash, Poseidon Attack, then get the duo

Cant figure out how to build shiva

[simple turret]

i was testing aspect of morgana against skelly and I noticed that the blood triad damage didnt seem to be affected by any damage modifiers. is this the same in regular runs?

[gritty solstice]

Can someone Reccomend me an overpowered build?

[simple turret]

what weapons and aspects do you like

[gritty solstice]

I like all weapons, but, i'm playing with the axe mostly

[simple turret]

im not super experienced with the axe, but from what Ive heard the strongest is probably charon's aspect

[sick tide]

Oh fabulous, forgot that, that fixes so much

[simple turret]

i personally like aspect of thanatos and going for lots of damage%

so hera/apollo/aphrodite attack

[gritty solstice]

Why apollo?

[simple turret]

high dmg%

[gritty solstice]

[simple turret]

plus it makes it bigger which just feels cool

[gritty solstice]

big crits

what weapon you play most?

[dapper elbow]

So I discovered the hard way that inverted spark nerfs supy. I learned that because that is what I got on the experimental hammer.

[sudden inlet]

The only thing that affects Blood Triad damage is the hammer as far as I've found out

[elfin forge]

global buffs not working at all is sadge

[spare kite]

Only the 2 hammers for it and heph's legendary buff it

And tbh is all it needs, global buffs working on it would be ridiculous

[elfin forge]

do you guys do blood triad in general combat or just bosses

[sudden inlet]

Depends on the boss and depends on the enemies

[elfin forge]

I took it for a spin and died in Thessaly at 33 fear

[spare kite]

If it's a beefy armored I'll do the triad

[sudden inlet]

If it's something like Rivaled Polyphemus there's no way I'm trying to do Blood Triad on him since that fight is STUPIDLY unfriendly towards close ranged weapons

[elfin forge]

rivaled poly wasn't too bad with morrigan

[spare kite]

Yeah I do triad on him too

[sudden inlet]

I'm still trying to figure out a good build for The Morrigan but Scorch worked for the most part.

[elfin forge]

apply the special from afar, dash attack omega attack, pretty quick

[sudden inlet]

The biggest issue was rivaled Prometheus with that big lumbering ox accompanying him and the stupid levels of damage he outputs.

[left sentinel]

First Typhon kill, whew. Need to learn his attack patterns after the Zeus interlude

I'd like to try out Zeus's blessings, as I realize I very seldom run them aside from sometimes his mana. What does his Blitz stuff synergize best with? Rapid hitting weapons?

[sudden inlet]

Rapid hitting or hard hitting.

Aspect of Goobis with Blitz is bonkers because each tick of the AoE field from either O Attack or normal counts towards the chain lightning effect, so if you get Master Conductor duo from Heph and Zeus it melts rooms.

[spare kite]

Goobis

[sudden inlet]

Silly carry over nickname for Anubis from the game Smite

[faint oyster]

Question on Bridal Glow, is it safe to purge it after it's upgraded the boon?

[simple turret]

yes

[faint oyster]

sweet

[left sentinel]

awesome, ty!

dont have anubis yet but soon hopefully

[gaunt canopy]

Oh wow I was just sure Zeus wouldn't show up in rivals typhon

[spare kite]

Nice guess

[gaunt canopy]

Maybe that's why he doesn't have a health bar, to subtly imply that it's mostly Zeus taking him out and you're keeping him busy and then doing the 'killing' blow

[spare kite]

Nah zeus just knocks him down

[elfin forge]

because he doesn't right

[spare kite]

There are multiple voicelines from Mel where is shown that is Typhon who hides his own life force

[elfin forge]

"you coward!"

[spare kite]

"you dare hide your life force from me!?"

[gaunt canopy]

Man Mel doesn't know anything she just says stuff

[spare kite]

Or my fav
"I'll know how much life force you had when I bleed you dry"

[elfin forge]

which, hey, facts

[spare kite]

Girl absolutely hates on typhon

[elfin forge]

Eggs 1? 25% down

[gaunt canopy]

The phrase "hiding your life force" just sounds so DBZ

Anyway another thing I'm kinda surprised they didn't do is have the tongue phase be a WoW kinda burn phase where you just die if your dps is too weak

[spare kite]

That'd be so awful 😭

[plush beacon]

I feel like it’s a no, but does glorious disaster auto proc with Charon

[gaunt canopy]

Lots of games have taken from WoW for boss mechanics but Typhon in particular is so very End Raid Boss

[elfin forge]

idk wallbosses are an ancient part of games in general

a lot of old God of War bosses were like that

[gaunt canopy]

Not really because he's a wall boss, just the scale and everything

I think they did a decent job of making it feel like you're fighting a big monster guy, not just a wall with attacks

[elfin forge]

idk there are otherways of making a gigantic boss cool too

like a level inside of them, or on top of their body

[sudden inlet]

Anubis is really strong with Scorch and Zeus boons

[elfin forge]

yes indeed

[sudden inlet]

As per usual, Hephaestus comes dead last because of the delay between bursts

Absolutely dog water damage boons but arguably some of the best survivability boons in the game

[dapper elbow]

What is the plan for phase 3 of unrivaled Chronos

[elfin forge]

hit and run

his starting barrage, hug the edge of the arena and run around

if you have a ranged weapon, chip away at him if you can

I believe his scythe does 3 hit combos and then a pause

weapons like Supay and Anubis are really strong because of how passive they can be

[dapper elbow]

Looks like supay and Anubis dethroned the best aspects of their respected weapons

And Anubis dethroned Mel coat in the forst fire department.

[elfin forge]

momus might be better tbh, but you need to work a bit harder

[mighty bramble]

Aspect of Nergal makes me keep dying

[fallow ginkgo]

I tried it with Scorch, haven't tried Blitz, dose it re-apply or activate more often？

[willow phoenix]

Blitz is limited by the innate cd blitz has, but it's still a lot yeah if you can pop it. Probably just best to put it on special

[jovial cove]

I had a zeus build on anubis but that was with air quality

[zinc forge]

the aspect of Circe is so much fun now! I did a run with hostile environment and both casts follow you

I believe i had tidal ring, geyser spout, arctic gale, and meat grinder. So it also set off froth constantly

[magic moss]

i personally think momus is still better but im like all but solely committed to fresh file now so

[barren marsh]

Does Nimble Limbs affect Supay's attack and special at all?

[zinc forge]

it does not. I don't believe any attack speed buff helps at all

[willow phoenix]

Yeah this is great, try air quality with it too to buff those ticks

[zinc forge]

ooh that'd be fun!

[raven ivy]

good build to run with moros?

[twin bolt]

i kind of wish the other torches had an optional supay-ish hammer where they could automate either attack or special (not both that would continue to be inca-exclusive)

[willow phoenix]

Standard moros stuff like Zeus special and Hera attack still works fine, or you can use ares for attack too

[twin bolt]

just picked an epic nimble limbs boon and the specials definitely visibly sped up

[barren marsh]

am i bad or is rivals typhon the worst designed fight in all of hades 1 or hades 2

[twin bolt]

nah it sucks

its the mcgriddle of EM bosses

[barren marsh]

Like

cerberus, cyclops, eris and typhon's rivals battle all suck in different ways, but typhon is just "how would you like to take 50 damage in 1 hit? you have to pick 1 attack to get hit by"

[twin bolt]

"here's the same guy you got sick of 50 runs ago, he's back now. the arena isn't different tho btw"

[grave fiber]

do you have enemy speed vow on?

[barren marsh]

No literally the only vows I have on are shadow, fang 1 and rivals 4

I'm not some super good high heat/feat player but I don't exactly consider myself bad either

[twin bolt]

my new default is rivals 4, frenzy 1, menace 1

[barren marsh]

typhons rivals fight just feels genuinely unfair with how many things there are at once with huge hitboxes that deal a bunch of damage

[twin bolt]

just a workmanlike 16 fear for unwinding at night

[barren marsh]

also is it just me or is apollo's attack/special just kinda bad

[twin bolt]

i was actually going to ask because i haven't got it yet

[barren marsh]

not having a curse by default makes it feel really bad to use

[twin bolt]

does apollo interact with supay in any satisfying way

[barren marsh]

no

[spare kite]

Apollo is solid, but needs rarity bad on his attack/special

Common attack is 40% while heroic is 100%

[twin bolt]

i feel like conceptually apollo and heph boons are too similar, just different DPS bursts

[spare kite]

What

[barren marsh]

I really think apollo's attack/special should just have the daze curse by default

[fluid quail]

would apollo be good with aspect of hel?

[twin bolt]

if your aim sucks probably (mine sucks)

[spare kite]

Hel prefers flat dmg on atk

[celest cliff]

Apollo makes the attack hitbox bigger tho, no?

[fluid quail]

isnt apollo flat dmg

[spare kite]

Flat dmg is stuff like poseidon waves

[fluid quail]

hestia better or poseidon?

[spare kite]

Apollo applies a % buff directly to the weapon

Pos

[celest cliff]

I love scorch too much to say poseidon...

[spare kite]

I mean, scorch will work just fine too

You will prob feel the lack of aoe outside of like, flash fry tho

Or you go hera special

[celest cliff]

Aphrodite and Hestia double boon is great

Keeps scorch effect going for as long as the enemy is weak

[willow phoenix]

If they ever buff the o attack maybe, otherwise no

[willow phoenix]

Beach ball and only that tbh

[twin bolt]

my first supay run i got scorch special, elite pyro technique, and the +1 bobble hammer, and poison poly just melted

[faint oyster]

I admit, it's really simple, but Nerval is fun, big bonks all around.

[raven ivy]

anyone know if the new flames omega special is close enough for the moros explosions to count as aphrodite's "close" range?

[plush beacon]

Trying to clear 16f with Nyx or Shiva but can’t figure out what a build path would be

[raven ivy]

I think aspect of Nyx offshoot thingies now gain the effect of your attack boon which validates on-hit effect stuff a bit more (last I played Nyx I went full poseidon, for the legendary)

[willow phoenix]

Hestia, Pos, Hera is good with nyx

[plush beacon]

Also is if just me or do Aphro and Hera Duo’s apply to way less stuff now

Or rather, their duo’s sync less

[fluid quail]

is the aspect of nyx coat good?

[plush beacon]

Got to Unrivaled Scylla but wiped there with Nyx, Pos atk

[civic salmon]

How do you get the final Heracles heart? Just keep beating him and prometheus?
Or do you need like a certain fear level?

[minor willow]

any tips on avoiding Unrivaled Eris beams
specifically the late-fight ones that are 5-split

I havent lost to Unrivaled Eris luckily but I'd rather keep my DDs and Health intact

[jovial cove]

eris has perfect tracking with frenzy on so don't do frenzy

[hollow briar]

The Coats in general are good, but Nyx is rather solid for its waveclear, yeah

[tidal hinge]

I cant figure out how to make coat fun i wish i liked it

[rain marsh]

ive had luck waiting for the .5s of indicator and immediately dashing behind her. but it takes VERY fast reaction speed. i can see them nerfing her slightly

[minor willow]

Im not a fear-runner, Im just unlocking the Unrivaled so luckily wont have to deal with that...

[minor willow]

yeah I figured it was a dash-behind thing, just thought there were other ways

[hollow briar]

This isn't a good build per se but it is very fun, at least https://youtu.be/DGyBxtIJNJA?si=I8PlYMEB9LHXUsE_

[willow phoenix]

I found just mashing attack and special work, like ideally attack-attack-special. The o special is decent and the o attack has block but I don't really like it tbh

[hollow briar]

OAttack only feels good on Shiva IMO, but even then it doesn't feel great outside of certain Bosses and exact Boon setups

[unkempt stratus]

I keep dying to Chronos' delayed instakill!!! Literally the second circle appears after a flash so i run to it but then the real flash goes off

[narrow acorn]

Does Demeter's cast still have an increased tick rate when you have Winner's Circle?

[hollow briar]

Should, don’t think they changed that

[timber pawn]

They did, casts all tick at a standard rate now unfortunately

[hollow briar]

No fun allowed

[tidal hinge]

my 13th reason tbh

[timber pawn]

Elaborated a little to clarify, but ya. Bummer

[hollow briar]

So there’s no real reason to take it other than like, Circe and Momus?

Really cool stuff lol

[tidal hinge]

i mean you still get your omega cast out faster

[narrow acorn]

yeah I just tested it out. Winners Circle seems to still allow 4 ticks of demeter's cast before expiring, while normal cast is 6 ticks.

[rain marsh]

ive never purposefully used o attack on coat. it just feels so slow

[hollow briar]

Yeah, but like, those are the only two Aspects I can think of where you really bother with OCasts over the actual kit

[rain marsh]

im not sure what to pair it with tbh and why wouldnt i just use knives riposte for more damage

[hollow briar]

Not that you can’t use it, but like, that’s so niche LOL

[tidal hinge]

its weird bc with heph cast it does all three ticks at the normal pace, the third tick still goes even when the cast dissapears and you can cast again before its done

[tidal hinge]

persephone aint tooo bad

[hollow briar]

It is, yeah, and the block is… inconsistent at best a lot of the time

[hollow briar]

Mm, yeah, I guess that’s fair depending on the God you get

[tidal hinge]

Its till lets you put out multiple meat grinders too if you're goiing for that! but i do agree its kinda nerfed now in general. Sad because winners is easly my #1 boon

[rain marsh]

im curious if people enjoy coat more than other weapons because the identity seems a little muddled to me right now

[vernal scaffold]

Does rapid thrasher affect how fast anubis attack fields tick?

[tidal hinge]

ooo i would also like to know this.. does rapid thrasher imcrease attack speed or attack(s) speed

[tacit vine]

man im struggling in this new update tryna get to the max rivals pact

any tips?

[rain marsh]

watcha stuck on 😄

ive beaten all but olympus 4, not attempted

[tidal hinge]

strength nerf does hurt but uhh if youre trying to do it with brand new aspects maybe try like ur fave build even before update

[tacit vine]

tryna just simply get to the last boss battles, ive killed olympus and tart 3. But i cant beat tart 3 or olympus 3 consistently

[tidal hinge]

I actually just beat rival tphyon earlier using Supay (posiden on spesh and dash)

[willow phoenix]

What do you struggle with rivals cerb? Rivals cerb is still mostly similar, just keep attacking the back

[rain marsh]

puppy can be difficult there was someone today having issues with the indicator circles covering the whole middle ground

[willow phoenix]

The explosions always come at different times, so while it can cover the whole screen it's completely dodgable

[rain marsh]

the discussion boiled down to

1. learn the slam, swipe movements
2. find the itty bitty middle grounds when its not all covered
3. if its all covered wait for timings and use i frames to dodge through the incoming ones BACK into the ones that already exploded

[tacit vine]

literally just getting there lmao ive beat him once and im struggling to even get there cause hecate or scylla kills me first

[tidal hinge]

then maybe try and get tanky.. max HP, heph defense boons, etc

[tacit vine]

yeahhhhh i think its the strength nerf

[willow phoenix]

You don't really need to i frame it, the timing between the last and first explosion is not that short

[tidal hinge]

you'll get it i believe in you

[rain marsh]

with hecate my biggest learning was to BE PATIENT. if you rush her too fast you eat dark side bolts to the face or eat her expanding circle twice

[elfin forge]

yeah her dark side bolts are her most dangerous attack

[willow phoenix]

I still use strength fwiw, I think you just need practice

[rain marsh]

if you just wait her clones out she'll run at YOU

[willow phoenix]

You're fighting this bosses for the first time after all

[tacit vine]

yeah i think it might just be the muscle memory needs to be reset

[tidal hinge]

Yeah i still use strength despite the nerf, just being more careful about ensuring my health his pretty high

[rain marsh]

and then for scylla i focus drummer girl FIRST. concentric circles are annoying.

[willow phoenix]

Nah don't go for the drummer, that's a trap

[tidal hinge]

Poly is the worst for me why is his arena a fromsoft swamp

[willow phoenix]

There's water spouts and steam bombs there, you shouldn't go there first

[rain marsh]

then the tentacles also patience is key, they give you one second to dodge out of their circle sweep before you can come back in for more dmage

[tidal hinge]

i just throw all i got at him and hope i can kill him before he kills me

[rain marsh]

very fair point, if youre melee :P. i usually just go range or cast XD

[willow phoenix]

Rivals poly is not that bad imo, but mistakes can be punishing

[tacit vine]

herc prom ive fought like once and won not before they dealt like 400 to my bulky ass build

[tidal hinge]

yeah ive been getting better its just so chaotic lol, i do like the fight tho

[tacit vine]

the heart rate was crazy

[rain marsh]

i didnt know what i was getting into but luckily i had a demetercast so i just ktied them around t he arena

[willow phoenix]

If you can beat heracles prom you can beat rivals cerb

Rivals cerb is not hard imo, just some gimmick to pay attention to

[tidal hinge]

I melted hercprom earlier with that Supay posiden build i had going, was nastyyyyy

[tacit vine]

yeahhh i beat him 1/1 time its just GETTING there

[willow phoenix]

Are you running other fears or just rivals?

[rain marsh]

do you have timer on? if not, honestly take it slowwwww

well, with eris you can't really take it slowwww she'll getcha

[tacit vine]

just rivals, but hecate and scylla and medea and eris kinda wear me down until one of the mobs kill me later

[tidal hinge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1344545309774057485/1386583497044525107/Screenshot_2025-06-22_at_11.55.40_PM.png?ex=685a3c03&is=6858ea83&hm=3bb88c7230123aabb0f7f13d5888545a9da23ea38864a38882e7f2c4063bf83c&

I had this earlier that melted prom/herc and rival typon

tho stilll almost died to typon

[rain marsh]

i beleive in you! im honestly not good at dodging but banging my head against the mechanics got me there after a couple tries

[willow phoenix]

Doesn't seem like you're sprinting enough ngl

[tacit vine]

ive been playing with supay blitz build usually

[willow phoenix]

Breaker damage should be much higher

Why blitz

[civic salmon]

now that we've had a few days, what is everyone's favorite hidden?
I really just love anubis

[tidal hinge]

well i was kinda more focused on omega special because I had king tide and hidden helix

[rain marsh]

i havent tried it but im curious about the changed moveset. right now my fav is supy easily. running simulator pleaseeee.

[tidal hinge]

the spash damage was carrying

[willow phoenix]

Poseidon + Hestia just seems the best for Supay, with both breaker and hest rush being super good

[willow phoenix]

Morrigan 🐦‍⬛

[civic salmon]

I had one with heaven flourish + divine vengence + double strike + henious affront that pretty fun

[tidal hinge]

heat rush is good???👀

[tacit vine]

I like the potential to duo with poseidon hestia and demeter

[willow phoenix]

Arguably the best dps wise

[civic salmon]

also i"m loving hestia->scorch a lot

[tacit vine]

hmm ill try

[tidal hinge]

hestia is busted in this update she is so goooood

[hollow briar]

Probably Shiva, but Anubis is also really cool

[willow phoenix]

https://youtu.be/0WXAlzt-Luw?si=54nQ15EgraVigaSc

[rain marsh]

gasp you like the coat?! love that for you

[willow phoenix]

On rivals Typhon
||https://youtu.be/2OruBRrC1MI?si=4GFa-mMe3-MRiC-A||

[tacit vine]

Supay and Nergal are fun for me

[hollow briar]

Yeh, it’s a lot of fun for me. Haven’t done an OAttack build for it on higher Fear yet, but surely it’ll work out with enough time sunk in

[willow phoenix]

I think Shiva is better than a lot of people here give it credit for ngl

[analog ether]

I cannot stand Morrigan.

[elfin forge]

morrigan is neat but I need to practice with it more

[civic salmon]

on my first attempt at rivals typhon i had 600 hp but didn't realize chronos was gonna do is one-hit-obliterator thing
i had moon water and clawwwwed my way up but ultimately perished lol

[elfin forge]

it's kinda slow like axe so I'm struggling to clear rooms with it

[hollow briar]

Unironically revived Siege Frame as a Hammer for me. Having the range is so insane for helping the positioning struggles on Shiva

[analog ether]

It feels too slow, too punishing for missing your stuff, and if you don't have a good enough Gain for it, you're screwed in a lot of ways.

[willow phoenix]

Try putting pos or hestia on attack and just mostly use attacks on mobs

[elfin forge]

I did but it was a bit slow for Thessaly rooms

[willow phoenix]

Eh I feel like you can run morrigan without gain until like biome 3

[hollow briar]

Haven’t actually done a Morrigan run yet, guess I’ll get that soon

[willow phoenix]

The cost is really not big

Like 15 per omega is nothing

[sudden sedge]

Guys, I've been out of the loop a while until now with the new update drop. I've only been hearing good things about Hestia, and with the new hidden staff aspect, I tried it out and was just okay. I had to still wait a long time for the burn to do its thing, but I've heard really good things about Hestia. Am I doing something wrong/missing something? (I tried the Demeter/Hestia combo as well, and it still was meh)

[elfin forge]

hestia attack should kill everything in like, a second or two. Put down the normal attack, you don't need omegas

you can yoink enemies in with omega special

[spiral wadi]

iirc it's like hestia attack, zeus special, demeter (or any?) cast

[elfin forge]

you can amplify your damage with stuff like Hitch, Static Shock

[sudden sedge]

Yeah, that's been my strat. Except the Omega on Spesh

[elfin forge]

yeah Demeter, Hera, Poseidon, or Aphro cast are all good imo

[sudden sedge]

Mostly just tried to DPS Spesh them inside

[spiral wadi]

heph 2sec blast

[elfin forge]

you do want more hestia boons though. Pyro Technique really amps it up

[spiral wadi]

has anyone done math on how much pyro technique ramps up damage as opposed to air quality

(not together of course)

[sudden sedge]

K let's see if we kill VoR Typhon

:^)

I imagine any familiar should work?

[spiral wadi]

i don't see why not

i only really think about familiars when i'm going after specific builds

otherwise im like "raki let's start critting"

[past salmon]

Air Quality becomes obsolete very quickly

global boosts too OP

[willow phoenix]

Pyro should probably be much bigger with good enough rarity or poms, but dunno how many ticks in a second pyro does

You can get like 300 scorch damage per second with like epic pyro and some poms

O yeah and global boosts

[spiral wadi]

ah i see, good to know

[warped egret]

If i understand hp bars right im pretty sure w some builds just a hestia hit is enough to OHKO so many enemies. Just have to wait it out lmao

[narrow acorn]

man anubis is crazy good against typhon.

Just toss an omega attack and a cast on him then you can focus all your efforts on dodging his attacks

[willow phoenix]

Especially with scorch too

[narrow acorn]

I've been doing Zeus.

[vestal venture]

holy FUUUCK aspect of hel is good

[compact comet]

Does anyone know how idden aspect supay interacts with attack speed? Be it from hermes or ares?

I tried getting a lot but I frankly couldnt tell if it was firing faster in the passive or omega states

[narrow acorn]

supay is the torches right? Any boost to Attack/Special speed increases the speed at which the projectiles move. It doesn't make the attacks fire at a faster rate, the projectiles just move more quickly. You can get some funny stuff with special speed if you boost it up. Super fast special spins.

[analog ether]

Frack, you REALLY need to have your dodge timings down for that last phase of VoR Typhon, don't you.

[uncut owl]

Any tips For aspect of Nergal? I tried Demeter Attack and it worked okay but didnt feel strong. Died to VoW Scylla lol

Also generally, what can you Pick on Axe except Apollo or Aphro? Seems No other god is half good on them

[lean lance]

Either that or 500hp and two Defiances left, yep

[analog ether]

Nergal REALLY enjoys the speed boosts from Ares.

[vagrant kernel]

Are there any tips for the Polyphemus Medea fight? The poison keeps eating away at my hp 😦

[analog ether]

Depends. Are you using the time limit or no?

[vagrant kernel]

No time limit

[analog ether]

Take the time to learn how Medea actually makes her attacks. There's always safe zones, and honestly it's best to just wait out when the poison is on the field, and then treat it like a normal Polyphemus fight.

Or least, that's what works for me.

[uncut owl]

just avoid her poison by running to an edge of the arena and then wait till it disappears. try to get some distance to poly before ideally, he moves slow so you can wait it out

[uncut owl]

How exactly does the plasma work, does it reset every encounter?

[analog ether]

Yeah, it resets every encounter. Unless you get Hera's duo, then a maximum of 20% speed boost carries over.

[willow phoenix]

Apollo

Apollo on special and just spamming the o special is good, especially with the hammers and apollo legendary

Or apollo on attack is also good

[forest hinge]

two questions: 1) does global dmg include god dmg like scorch/splash/blast/lightning bolts? 2) does Supay's rush boon dmg only refer to the rush boon and not smth Romantic Spark zeus/aphro?

or Beach Ball from pos/apo?

[compact comet]

Really? Is this unique exclusively to Supay? Attack speed boosts the other torches firing rates- but for supay it only increases speed of projectiles?

[plush beacon]

Was wondering if anyone had looked at it vs Medea

[sly plaza]

Medea is probably still better just because of how pigeon holed Hel is by comparison

[stoic tinsel]

say which companion do I want for aspect of circe?

gale and hecuba follow me too closely

toula disables strength so that's a nogo

Raki goes around marking things, so that makes it tricky to control but at least he's not following behind me

Frinos gives me some space to work with but also moves around

[jovial schooner]

Good lord what is this chaos challenge. 30 health for the whole rift of thessaly, and i assume Eris right at the end. for what, 25% crit?

[brave dove]

that trial was so much funnier with old antler and old strength

[spiral wadi]

iirc u have ares boon that heals u for 1hp/hit, and also parry

[brave dove]

anyway my advice is to not get hit

[brave dove]

toula is the best for positioning but is also toula, I've found the most success with raki

[jovial schooner]

Law of the internet, complain and you'll pass it

Didn't realize just how absolutely insane the Aphrodite close damage buff paired with the speed of the daggers and the crit chance really was. Plus the Demeter special to freeze.

[stoic tinsel]

bruh I literally only have one scorch boon and everything is burning to the ground

[willow phoenix]

Now you see why people run antler for final biome

[stoic tinsel]

imagine if I had more scorch boons

[bleak night]

Antler is fun but they made EM bosses do 40 damage at base with bullet hell mechanics

[stoic tinsel]

I'm too much of a coward 😦

[bleak night]

I am honestly kinda irked about it

[willow phoenix]

Yeah rivals 4 is definitely not antler friendly

[brave dove]

have they buffed spinners in some way or have I just become the actual worst at dealing with them

[jovial schooner]

Also i'm confused. One of the trials had the vow of time (5 minutes, or else) time ran out like, 2 seconds before I finished off Cerberus but nothing happened. what happens when you run out of time?

[brave dove]

you start taking damage

5 a second

[split igloo]

Nergal sucks without ares buffs

[brave dove]

source: am currently running out of time in erebus right now

[bleak night]

I think Nergal's just not good in general ngl

[split igloo]

You need aphro and ares to make it work good

[bleak night]

It can, for some ungodly reason

do the whole dash attack animation but it will do no damage becaues you cancelled it 0.1 secs before it comes out

and I am so confused

[stoic tinsel]

OH LAWD ECHO GAVE ME TWO DUO BOONS

I picked freezer burn and got a free thermal dynamics

[spiral wadi]

echo meta

[split igloo]

https://youtu.be/8XxBR7Z0ewQ?si=zUPjifUa1E7xc56m @bleak night

Only way its actually good

Just needs dumb rng

[willow phoenix]

You start taking tick damage, it's not insta death

[compact comet]

Nergal has plenty of use, it essentially trivializes every single room that isnt a boss. You just have to build to beat bosses. The manueverability it gets on that first swing (non-dash attack) is absolutely cracked.

Youre insanely mobile while getting your bonk out- you can move and dash while she's winding it up

[bleak night]

I mean I tried to get it to work and it struggles more than every other melee weapon

The AoE is not as good as Mel Axe

[compact comet]

its smaller but thats not really a huge issue imo. You can just outheal basically any room that isnt a boss

im only playing at 28 heat though so maybe when you start involving more damage dealing vows there are issues

[bleak night]

Yeah it struggles more as you go down but my main issue is the hypermobility of the EM bosses

[compact comet]

Idk which vow bosses are more mobile

they basically all let you bonk them

I only run frenzy vow lv 1, maybe its tighter on vow 2

[bleak night]

Chronos and Eris for the most part

[compact comet]

eris isnt really more mobile, shes just more restrictive bc of the bombs

you play her exactly how you play vanilla eris, stand on her face and when shes about to shoot you dash through her

she cant rotate if her life depends on it- you just have to position yourself so she doesnt afk in the fire or bombs

[bleak night]

Chronos p3 took me a while to beat with Anubis since he doesn't stay in the damaging field and hyperfocuses on teleporting around, which was honestly a mismatch

[bleak night]

I mean you can't always dash through though

[compact comet]

if she isnt standing in fire or bombs, you can

[bleak night]

Sometimes her back has a sea of fire on it that would make you take more damage than the actual laser

The arena is small and she usually stands on the fringes in my experience

[compact comet]

and when she is youll get clipped by somethings but luckily you have a weapon that heals you with no downside

[bleak night]

The heal is 1 HP though

[compact comet]

you might be leading her poorly- she dashes as you- you can kind of train her to stay in the middle

[bleak night]

She flies away randomly to summon reinforcements at least 3x in the fight

[compact comet]

1 hp a bonk is massive- especially if youre on strength which is still better if you have a source of healing

[compact comet]

is she landing in the fire every time she repositions for you? I see this sometimes and Ill tank a little fire dmg if needed then immediately heal it back

[bleak night]

I can't afford to tank damage much because I have no healing on and take 2x the damage

[compact comet]

nergal thrives on you unironcially building tank- get aphro weakness, heph damage reduction, evasion, etc.

I mean ok if you have no healing on and you play nergal and are confused why its not working for you

[bleak night]

I am really trying my best on it but the moment I swapped to Mel Axe I was able to do 60 immediately while I struggle to do 56 on Nergal

[compact comet]

what heat are you playing on

[bleak night]

The +1 heal bypasses Scars 3

[bleak night]

I'm the max fear guy sadly, I have an illness and want maximum tilt and pain

Trying to 62 things atm

Some aspects work, this one struggles heavily at early 50s

[compact comet]

I would imagine most would struggle in the 50s lol but sure

[bleak night]

I mean the aspects

[compact comet]

i know

[bleak night]

I can get all the hiddens save Nergal to work in 57 at least, this one kinda struggles immediately in early 50

[compact comet]

I still think its maneuverability is by far its strongest feature

I think the double bonk first hit only daedalus hammer is tied for best in slot

but thats at frenzy 1, so maybe its different at frenzy 2

[bleak night]

I think the maneuverability doesn't really help it much in Frenzy 2 ye

it's heavy and yet doesn't do as much damage as the normal Axes

plus it has less range due to the nature of the bonk being a circular AoE rather than an arc

[compact comet]

I feel like none of that matters when you can dash mid swing

[bleak night]

the dash is slow and leaves you open to being struck if you fully commit

[compact comet]

you can basically rotate around enemies while swining into them

[bleak night]

you can cancel it insta with special but it's not fast enough

I've tried everything and I really want it to work but it's just weaker than the rest by a long shot

[willow phoenix]

Would you say that it's a too slow issue or a too little damage issue

[bleak night]

It's a bit of a mix

with Mel Axe it was slow but you could animation cancel or do specific turns to maximize range, for this one you have to commit since it has less range in general unless it's in front of you

[willow phoenix]

Personally I feel like Nergal damage doesn't scale that well, like I'm always struggling damage wise for rivals Typhon at least

[bleak night]

this one has not much animation cancels and relies on fast bonks that honestly do not do as much as a heavy weapon that's fully melee requires

[bleak night]

It definitely doesn't scale that well because of the nature of heavier, slower attacks not being good with hyperscaling boons that do flat damage

[willow phoenix]

Ah yeah the game does lean into flat damage and global dmg boost for it

[bleak night]

Yep, Origination and Furies are exponentially better with flat damage sources since they're separate to the actual % boost, while % boosts scale better with more Power. More Power scales better with rapid strikes rather than slow ones

Fundamentally, slow and powerful aspects won't scale as much because of that idea

[stoic tinsel]

aspect of hel quite literally built for former rail enjoyers

[robust prism]

all the hidden aspects are fire ngl

except Shiva hasn't really clicked with me yet

but I also like the new circe aspect so much more

[latent marsh]

circe is so fun

[plush vapor]

shiva kinda sucks
the concept is cool but it takes so incredibly long to get destructive without elephant rockets

[robust prism]

I also kinda struggle to see where the special orb is actually going sometimes

[plush vapor]

yeah a landing circle zone would be good

[left sentinel]

yeah seems substantially faster orb would help. Anyone try Nyx aspect post-patch?

[sly plaza]

OK so I need to get back on this Frenzy 2 stuff. I’ve had too much fun, now all my timing is off 😭

Like I’ve gone from clearing the game on 32 fear fun runs to barely making it with Frenzy 2, the timer and Rivals

[split igloo]

@bleak night the hercules fight is dumb af

Hardest rivals fight

[robust prism]

I think it's pretty fun

also the difficulty increase for polyphemus prob just as big

the way that some people are complaining that the harder versions of the fights are harder lol

[willow phoenix]

it's very nice, try it with effects like splash, scorch, or hitch. Special with Poseidon in particular is pretty nasty

[round quartz]

It's just aspect of Eris from 1 but more confusing and jank lol
And also worse as it only buffs attack and not global damage

And just more work

[lean vapor]

what are good boons for anubis? its the last weapon i got.

[round quartz]

I've heard Zeus or Hestia attack is amazing

[jovial schooner]

for the coat, what's the best special? I know male gods are flat numbers and females are percentage.

[round quartz]

Blitz can be good if you weave them into your attack pattern
But for straight up special priority probably Poseidon

[robust prism]

I enjoyed poseidon attack and demeter special but I think a lot of things can work with it

[west mantle]

what does lose 5 magick mean in awakened rockets? is it still the same as using additional 5?

[brave dove]

that is... not how the divide is done, hestia is flat and ares and apollo are %, for example

but it's hard to go wrong with poseidon and zeus

[willow phoenix]

That's not remotely true lol

Poseidon if that's your main damage, otherwise probably zeus or hestia

[spare kite]

How did you end up in that conclusion

[plush beacon]

Keep repeatedly failing last few surface testaments on skull, axe and coat

Way before Typhon as well, just get chunked down by one move comboing into 30+ dmg if strength, or burn through DDs early and just get to Prom

[brave dove]

what fear setup are you running?

[plush beacon]

Been changing around; currently on Time 2, Scars 1, Debt 1, Menace 2, Ward 2, Fangs 1, Rivals 3

[tough pasture]

Good morning friends. Any suggestions on how to deal with Typhon's tail the mini-boss?

That thing DESTROYED me yet again last night (in my first 2nd ever matchup). It eliminated 4 - count them: 1, 2, 3, 4 - death defiances. I was completely baffled by its attack pattern.

On a related note, the game clearly doesn't have any special dialogue if you beat typhon on the first attempt. 😂 I somehow beat Typhon comfortably (on 0 fear).

But if you lose (on a 2nd or 3rd attempt), then it has a dialogue for that.

[brave dove]

typhon's tail has four attacks

[tough pasture]

Coulda fooled me. Felt like 10+

[brave dove]

spin and summon, drill and shockwave, chompy chompy chase and laser charging

[tough pasture]

what about the massive wave from one side of the area to the other side?

[brave dove]

that's the laser

you can just follow it and stand behind it and get free damage

[tough pasture]

Oh, I see.

That thing alone wrecked 2 death defiances.

[plush beacon]

Medea/Hel, Charon/Than, and Selene/Mel

[tough pasture]

I'm not following. Maybe it's becasue I was trying to keep my distance...but it felt like the entire area got swept by the laser wave.

There was nowhere for me to dash to.

[brave dove]

It doesn't hit behind it

if you mean the circular waves you have to iframe those

[tough pasture]

Is the attack always left to right? Or can it flip too?

[brave dove]

it can start at either end

like if it starts wandering off to one side of the arena that's your signal to sprint over and get free hits in it doesn't behave like that for any other move

[sage flame]

yeah you just want to follow the tail around if you see it zoom off screen

[tough pasture]

That's what I thought. My mind was spinning.

I don't see how you can dash through it when I'm on the other side of the area.

[brave dove]

follow it

don't be on the other side of the arena in the first place! 😛

[tough pasture]

Oh...is THAT what I have to do?

See...I was trying to keep my distance and I was just getting WRECKED.

[tough pasture]

I see. Gotcha. I follow now.

[brave dove]

the only boss that is reasonable to keep offscreen is unrivaled chronos really

[sage flame]

indeed, also disco pfp spotted

[brave dove]

all the others are much easier to handle when you can see what they're doing by an order of magntiude

[tough pasture]

GOAT level game.

I pray Robert forms a new studio and makes a new story but in the format of Disco Elysium.

[tough pasture]

Yeah, I had to teach myself to be closer to prometheus than I wanted to be. I kept trying to stay on the edge of the arena and I was taking lots of damage.

Guess I need to do the same thing for the the typhon tail thing.

[brave dove]

anyway if frenzy is a no-go I'd suggest timer 3, fangs 2, hubris 1, rivals 2 and fangs 2

[tough pasture]

Also, another question: is there a way to avoid the circular red attack of the spawn of typhon?

I was able to tank it but there's gotta be a way to escape it, right?

[brave dove]

the radiating circles?

[tough pasture]

That attack has me bamboozled.

[tough pasture]

Yeah.

[brave dove]

it only hits in the highlighted areas, which have safespots between them

also you can iframe it

[tough pasture]

Am I crazy or is stage 4 of the surface like waaaay harder and more frenetic than any other stage so far of either hades 1 or hades 2.

I'm playing on 0 fear and the enemies are moving so quickly. 40% increase in enemy movement speed is gonna be brutal for me.

[brave dove]

they are harder but you get substantially more power on surface runs

[tough pasture]

And I'm not some noob. I've been playing hades 1 since like the 2nd update.

[brave dove]

learning hades 1 mostly just makes you worse at hades 2

because playing hades 2 like hades 1 kills you

[tough pasture]

Yeah, I'm coming around to that realization.

hades 2 is much more methodical.

sgg has clearly iterated upon hades 1 mechanics and made h2 much more expansive too.

[willow phoenix]

rip disco elysium 2

[silent ledge]

Fangs 2, Menace 2, Rivals 4 is 20 heat and like, if you aren't Vow of Rivaling are you even playing the game? (Yes but no)

[tough pasture]

Just need BTC to go to a gazillion and I'll fund Robert and motivate him to make a new game.

[plush beacon]

Is timer 3 in longer suicide on surface?

[willow phoenix]

it never was tbh

you just might have to skip some ephyra side rooms if you're struggling with it

[silent ledge]

I dunno why you'd use Frenzy as a low-mid heat one it feels completely insane and throws off the game tuning way more than all the other vows

While you can have 20 heat pretty easily with stuff that doesn't matter or is rivals

[willow phoenix]

a lot of people swear by using frenzy since the beginning since that'd train you for the 32f and beyond where you'll likely be playing with frenzy 2

it's also the vow that's the most practiceable

[brave dove]

this is the case yeah

it's why you have so many people doing the rivals bosses on frenzy 2 - re-adjusting after turning it off suuuuucks

[willow phoenix]

but imo if you're just a casual that's going to do at most 32f then just use frenzy 1 at most

[brave dove]

I do think the easiest 32f includes frenzy 2 though

[brazen ore]

What is the easiest 32f, has it changed?

Just cause frenzy 2 and rivals 4 seems pretty rough

[brave dove]

not rivals 4 no way