h2-builds-and-combat

[brave dove]

king tide hel not appeal?

[bleak night]

I hate it because it's pigeonholed into the one build

[brave dove]

yeah that's fair actually, you could do freezer burn as well I think but that's a lot of boons for basic functionality

[bleak night]

Scorch Attack on Anubis is meta for us rn but the Chinese players legitimately think Blitz on attack is better. Idgi but they seem to not like Scorch as much

[brave dove]

are they still taking hestia and using it for the duo?

I have thought about demeter attack with the zeus duo and air quality as well btw

[bleak night]

The only reason they started caring about Hestia is because I sent them a victory screen of Morrigan in 62

[brave dove]

oh huh I think we're just ahead on meta then rn

[bleak night]

idk they seem to just want Blitz on everything and like

[bleak night]

They're kinda showing results with the Blitz thing but idk how it works

[dim flame]

does wide grin with the mel aspect just make all the shots deal the max damage from the aspect? i could just take it and try it but id rather like, not, and just ask lmao

[brave dove]

might make unrivaled chronos more doable if you just need to run him through a field rather than stay in it

[bleak night]

Like their entire community watches my vids since I made a channel for Bilibili so they can watch it there without a VPN for YT, but I kinda wish they'd stop beelining for Blitz on everything that isn't Hel on the hiddens

They only looked at Scorch for Morrigan because I mentioned

[bleak night]

The peeps in the VC watched me have a tiny bit of armour and 4 dds and I still died to p3 Chronos

[brave dove]

god what hope do the rest of us have then-

[bleak night]

Like I beat P2 with all those resources and bro still is able to hit me 6x

[bleak night]

tbf I was kinda stupid

I came into Tart at 10:20 and I still ran Antler because of muscle memory

[brave dove]

I'm wondering if the answer might not be - ah, yeah

[bleak night]

I should've maybe just ran something else and kept my 190HP

[brave dove]

skipping antler and doing something like an extra miniboss room in tart to try and beat the timer without it

ofc the problem is that knucklebones damage is worthless against multiple lifebar bosses so idk what else you'd take, droplet?

[bleak night]

starting Tart again brb

[brave dove]

gl!

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1386025183017697401/image.png?ex=6858340a&is=6856e28a&hm=caf2e3e9adca33b40dab00981b1b1f3d11520dc15c30a2ac0afcd138514c029c&

[split igloo]

@brave dove mb its broken with static shock and hestia attack with freezer burn on top

[brave dove]

yyyup

[bleak night]

try it with Froth instead as well

[split igloo]

will do

[viscid patrol]

I know Eris's whole deal is thriving off of getting under my skin...

Doesn't change the fact lossing to her is infuriating.

[fiery vine]

62 fear with an antler??😭 oh you are a BEAST

[bleak night]

I lost 13x before this one

doesn't count the runs where I didn't even make it to Chronos, it's 14 rematches

[fiery vine]

I’d have lost 13x more than that, honestly kudos

[fiery vine]

do you enjoy pain or something?

WAIT, YOU DID THAT WITH ANUBIS STAFF

I MISSED THAT PART

The boons don’t even seem that insane either…?

[bleak night]

try it out

[fiery vine]

Do you have a recording of the fight possibly? I’d love to see how you did that

[bleak night]

Flame Strike with Froth is disgusting, you will find it hilarious

[bleak night]

didn't record this one sadly but I'm just going to do 59s recorded (7 min timer) with no Antler for the next 24 aspects because losing 13x in a row isn't fun at all

[fiery vine]

Yeah no doing 62 fear with anubis staff in the first place doesn’t seem fun…

[bleak night]

I'll just record a Morrigan 62f first

[quartz parrot]

holy im shaking my heart is pounding so hard i just beat chronos for the first time

[fiery vine]

WOOOO good stuff!

I remember my first time beating him, wasn’t even happy, just relieved, I died to him 3 times prior I think

Now I’m pretty confident I could no-hit him on 0 heat

[quartz parrot]

same for me third time in a row of fighting chronos

finally

[fiery vine]

now you just gotta do that like

50 more times

[quartz parrot]

k

[fiery vine]

and then the surface boss which is more difficult…

[sudden inlet]

Is it just me or is The Morrígan aspect kind of clunky?

Haven’t attempted a full on run with it yet but needing an attack, special, then O move to activate just seems wild

[dim kelp]

I didn’t see that you got an answer to this, so sorry if it’s a repeat. I’m pretty sure that Wide Grin has anti-synergy with Mel. The shells all fire at once, so none of them are “out” when you fire. I guess you could manually pick up some but not all, but then you lose some of the purpose of Wide Grin

[raven ivy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/919729815031001141/1386030703631925268/image.png?ex=6858392e&is=6856e7ae&hm=751c2a1ef03df3abbac1a80f7739fa23203f8353d46695ff1a7e14f07afa9a85&
anyone know what this icon means? (new coat aspect)

[sudden inlet]

It means if you're empowered he dies

[raven ivy]

that's how it works???

[sudden inlet]

Yes

[raven ivy]

weird aspect

[sudden inlet]

You get a stack of instakill at 25% health or some such for each special explosion you eat

[spare kite]

the insta kill always happens at 8% remaining hp

[manic harbor]

Is it worth getting both Reaper frame and siege frame? I feel like it would give you a ridiculous area of attack, and wondering if I should try it

[spare kite]

the +25% is the attacks dmg buff you get per rank

[spare kite]

for the insta kill you only need at least 1 rank

[dim flame]

i had a bit of a dig and it looks like the answer, which is a shame, while im at it it looks like possessed array also doesent work with athenas righteous pike or creating heartthrobs, which is a very big shame considering how much mana you chew threw, but its also really hard to tell with how quickly everything is dying and how obnoxious the effects for it are lmao

[raven ivy]

So does the icon just mean the next hit is said instakill?

[dim flame]

works on bosses too btw, i got it off on hecate lmao

[spare kite]

yeah, the icon generally appears for a split second if you are currently empowered

[open vine]

Ah! Thanks for clarifying. I was wondering if/how the instakill stacked. The attack buff stacking and the kill threshold not makes more sense, just wish it was communicated a bit more clearly ingame.

[spare kite]

if you aren't empowered the enemy will have the icon/not get mercy'd until you gain one rank at the very least

[raven ivy]

it appears even when i'm not empowered though, strangely, it's just whenever skelly reaches low health 🤔

[spare kite]

you skip eris's hail mary with this

[dim flame]

fantastic, anything to get that awful fight over with quicker

[raven ivy]

okay so ive gathered that the icon means: "from now on, if you have one level of descructive it'll instakill"

i assume i'll understand more concretely as i actually go on a run

[spare kite]

basically as long you are empowered constantly you get demeter's legendary for free

[raven ivy]

sounds cool in theory!

[dim kelp]

Yeah, Possessed Array not counting as “magick use” is new in the unseen update. It used to count. Given that it will do the omega attack and drop the magick even if there’s nothing to damage, it doesn’t seem worthwhile to me at all anymore

[timber pawn]

This used to be the case and they intentionally changed it to nerf possessed array. Oops just saw the message above mine saying the same

[raven ivy]

Seems very omega based, I barely considered playing it till i realized the omega special takes so long because it wants to line up with your omega attack charge-up time

[spare kite]

if you aim it at your feet it usually takes less to land

[raven ivy]

interesting.....

[dim flame]

really? i dont even remember possessed array having a mana cost to be honest but i also hate the skull with a passion so im not surprised i dont remember

[spare kite]

or you get elepahant rockets or the block hammer and is a lot easier

[dim flame]

lovely anti synergy

[raven ivy]

elephant rockets? xDD

[spare kite]

is like rocket bomb from the rail

[timber pawn]

Possessed array is still one of the best hammers in the game so the nerf was warranted frankly

[spare kite]

you remove the arc from your special

[raven ivy]

(IT'S ACTUALLY CALLED) ELEPHANT ROCKETS
I LOVE IT

[spare kite]

it used to cost 10, got reduced to 0 for like 2 patches (lmfao) then upped to 25 when we got O.atk buffs in warsong

and then nerfed by no longer interacting with the on mana spent stuff now

[dim flame]

itd be nice if it had some kind of better indication for that, to be honest whenever i look at most hammers and a lot of boons i have to sit back and ask "does this even interact with X"

or just let us spawn boons in the training grounds, thatd be nice too

[spare kite]

is basically the change in wording it got, before it was use 25 mana now is "lose"

[timber pawn]

That's fair feedback, but ya as Noob said the indication in the language is pretty subtle

[sudden inlet]

So which Gods are we thinking for Morrigan?

[spare kite]

https://youtu.be/rxPGUwVqGio it was a bit silly when it worked with mana effects

[sudden inlet]

Base damage on it feels kind of low, despite it's multiple hits

[dim flame]

the language is easy to miss, but it is something i guess

simply a skill issue i guess

[spare kite]

tbh is appropiate feedback imo, same with stuff like attack/attacks or strike(s)

we now have a big "hey this is not gonna work" if you are about to equip athena's keepsake with remaining DDs lol

[timber pawn]

They could bold 'lose' and have a tool tip pop out on the right that says 'things that lose mana don't interact with on mana spent' boons or something like that

[dim flame]

that would be really nice

[timber pawn]

Just make it extra clear. Would probably be good

[spare kite]

brave face is also lose mana right

[dim flame]

with just regular boons it wouldnt be as much of an issue but hammers are just kind of a bit too big of a thing to be able to just waste like that

[cosmic steppe]

First tried rivals Prometheus, no frenzy tho

[spare kite]

still good, gg

[dim flame]

man rivals eris is too hard for me

i dont even want to think about prometheus

[hidden shale]

anyone any success working with Nergal Special?

[stone pilot]

Does strength affect the poison damage on rivals poly?

[spare kite]

no afaik

[cosmic steppe]

Freezer burn op on Morgan, open the trippletap with o-attack and close with demeter special once sufficient amount of burn has been induced, 4k colored damage per special

[stone pilot]

I wonder if that makes defiances better in the long run on surface runs with rivals on

It did so much damage

[spare kite]

I changed to dds for that reason too lol, ofc you can always just play well ig

but melee weapons vs R.poly make me cry so dds it is

[cosmic steppe]

I kinda got the gist of him I think

I clear barrel lads instantly bc it seems to me that him gaining poison on his attacks is procced by him being hit by their barrels

[spare kite]

any poison on the ground infuses him with it

so medea can also do it

[cosmic steppe]

Plus it's kinda well-telegraphed whether Medea is drawing parallels or pentagram with her poison

[spare kite]

@hardy marlin in my experience having a cast that does any constant dmg effect like heph's/dem's or aphro's helps a lot vs rival eris, as you can place them before the bombs land so they explode immediately

[hardy marlin]

Oh absolutely. Sadly not every cast works, so that doesn't solve the problem a lot

[cosmic steppe]

I've got barely any fear affecting the region (16 total with rivals 3) so ig I was healthy in the fight

[spare kite]

You can also time your omega cast if you wanna be a gamer

[cosmic steppe]

Okay boutta pull up to rivals 4 uw for the first time

Gramps better oil up

[spare kite]

Have fun

[cosmic steppe]

I already am

[dapper elbow]

So it looks like frost fire on Anubis is broken. Hesita on attack and demiter on cast. The effects just layer each other. And special to keep the baddies in the cast and it is nuke city

[hardy marlin]

That also gave me the idea of just using the the omega special when going with the axe lol
Didn't think of that before

[brazen ore]

oh fun im gonna try. i just unlocked anubis and am tryng to get some runs in before i have to go out to weekend events and such

[dapper elbow]

The attack effect take priority over cast meaning for the duration of the effect it instantly reactivates when off cooldown

[brazen ore]

oh owch i hurt myself with it

hestia whyy

[brave dove]

yo @bleak night do you want footage of blitz anubis

[bleak night]

is it any good

[dapper elbow]

If I ever get the combination I might throw in Apollo to increase the size of the effect. Since of how big the aoe of the attack is to the aoe of the normal size cast

[brave dove]

second aspect I've oneshot unrivaled chronos with, though I had both air quality and the hestia duo

[bleak night]

ooh, I'll try it out myself then

[brave dove]

basically I think air quality memes are the way - lotta zeus with demeter gust and hestia projectile cast

so you have a run and gun option for r4 chronos

lightning lance would also presumably work but I suck at using it so I'm glad it rolled hestia

[forest shale]

What would you guys say is the best aspect for each of the weapons? I want to focus on one for each weapon but cant decide on which to spend my resources on. I am quite early on this savefile

[brave dove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guTEV_ft4P4 alright here's the footage if anyone wants it, static shock was not on the menu but I got basically everything else you could possibly want for the build so, might not be suuuuper translatable to ultra high fear this is just frenzy 2

[solemn loom]

blitz vs scorch

[brazen ore]

oopsie i was a little silly and forgot to turn my vow of rivals off when playing with anubis for the firs ttime so that didnt go particularly well

but it seems very fun if youre able to get the positioning right. i do think the apollo boon that increases cast size would be good bc i found myself struggling with the timing of overlappig cast and attack

[analog ether]

FINALLY got my first win on Rivals Chronos.

[sudden inlet]

Okay so after figuring out the gameplay look with The Morrígan it’s kind of cracked, especially with the hammer that makes it deal 999 damage

[analog ether]

Now, to find out what kind of insanity Typhon has.

[wintry idol]

Hi, I have a quick question cuz I stil running from spoilers

who the hell is aiming the atak on my hidden aspect of torches?

[sudden inlet]

EM4 Typhon is boshy

[analog ether]

It auto-aims.

[sudden inlet]

Have never been more salty at a boss in this game before that fight

[wintry idol]

ok, at what is it aimim tho 😭
or is just bugged?
cuz it seems to keeps aiming into no one

[sudden inlet]

Supay is aiming it from beyond space and time

[brave dove]

it's firing at the cartesian demons around you

[crystal burrow]

Any Persephone knowers? Sometimes my Omega special goes on forever and sometimes it just goes the standard distance. At first I thought it was when I killed and enemy or get my skull but after testing it, I think its just random

[wintry idol]

its aming at me then
I will just let the enemies beetween me and melinoe then, thanks

[spare kite]

There's a meter near your ammo count which is charged by olympian dmg (stuff like blitz/scorch/etc)
You spend that meter to extend the duration of the next omega special for up to +2s

Hover over the aspect icon and read the tooltip about sprouted

[crystal burrow]

Oh what the heck that weapon has a stupid amount of tool tips. After the rework it's my new favorite skull

[spare kite]

The mechanic isn't new fwiw, os its original gimmick since the release

[brazen ore]

yeah, it just used to be way harder to trigger it

[spare kite]

What has changed was how it charged (any dmg/slow > cast dmg/fast charge > olympian dmg now)

[crystal burrow]

I just remember it being kinda bad but after the changes it's really good.

[spare kite]

Ah yeah the new passive changed too
Used to be +30% omega dmg
Now is the funny poms

[surreal hazel]

Persphone giving +1-6 levels on any boon that accepts levels is kinda bananas

[stable herald]

Yeah I figured they're experimenting with some stuff and making it OP for now, and will tamp it down once they have good data to act on

[indigo viper]

Man, it's so easier to win 32 fear with some extreme measures instead of bunch of other stuff to cover missing fears. xD

[wild sun]

If there are no enemies around, it will aim at golden pots

[forest wagon]

https://imgur.com/a/7qOq8Ke thoughts?

[indigo plume]

found an easy way to abuse Anubis staff

can't screenshot the game though oddly

[hidden shale]

what are yall doing with Shiva? that one just feels very off to me

[solemn loom]

Patch 9, current stats / boon data.
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/Stats

The data is currently skewed due to small sample size, little under two dozen entries. As we progress, the data will be more balance and well distributed.
Entries used are from Fear 32 and above with gameplay vid.

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[loud terrace]

Can someone explain how I actually use the aspect of morrigan?

Do you have to 'catch' the blades so it deals heavy damage or what?

[hidden shale]

Nnothing of the sorts. You just hit enemies once with each type of attack and then you pop dmg

[spare kite]

hit an enemy with an attack, special and one omega

[jagged scarab]

has anyone gotten the trick knives hammer with aspect of morrigan?

[loud terrace]

Right, So I have press attack, press special, then long press my omega special?

[hidden shale]

not quite. Order does not matter plus you can just hit an omega out of the gate

[spare kite]

the combo people are doing is dash into special, hold attack for a dash strike and start charging the omega attack

but also yeah the order of the moves doesn't matter

you can also do stuff like winner's circle and hit them with an omega cast

[loud terrace]

that's well confusing lol

[hidden shale]

hmm what part?

[loud terrace]

So I have to do three seperate attacks and then it'll trigger?

[jovial cove]

I think it's easier to use attack omega over special omega because with your special on morrigan you have to wait for your knife to come back

[spare kite]

each of the three moves (attack/special/omega) put a mark on the enemy, when you inflict all 3 marks the heavy dmg occur yeah

[hidden shale]

its not three seperate ones no

[spare kite]

you can tell which one you are missing on an enemy based on the position
left is attack, right is special, top is omega

[hidden shale]

hit an enemy with an omega special and both the special and omega mark appear

[loud terrace]

so you have to 'complete' the red triangle and it'll trigger the aspect?

[spare kite]

yup

[loud terrace]

right, got ya

[hidden shale]

oh damn didnt know you could still dash strike after the special. that is nice

[spare kite]

also this is wrong

[loud terrace]

I think they will need to rework this, it's way too many button presses, they should do it so you just long press the omega special and it'll trigger.

[spare kite]

nah morrigan is fine

[elfin forge]

isnt morrigan a pretty normal combo

[spare kite]

it just takes a bit more practice than the rest, which is fine cuz the reward for doing so really good

[jagged scarab]

i'm trying this against Skelly and only the omega mark shows up

[hidden shale]

wait you sure? like I did runs with it. cant be tripping this hard

[spare kite]

yeah I just tested on skelly too lol

[hidden shale]

how tf did I gaslight myself

[loud terrace]

777 damage is pretty big as a standard special, that'll be a complete monster once it's got a boon and it's been upgraded lol

[hidden shale]

huh?

[spare kite]

oh the blood triad doesn't scale with your buffs

is only affected by aspect level and the 2 hammers related to it

[loud terrace]

well that sucks lol

[spare kite]

is still really good

[jagged scarab]

i wonder how much Heph legendary boosts that damage to. could be worth going for

[loud terrace]

yeh I guess, i'll take near 1000 damage for a special attack all day long haha

[spare kite]

another +222

[loud terrace]

is that the premium service boon?

[spare kite]

yeah

there's also a hammer that gives another +222

and another that gives it a chance to hit twice

[loud terrace]

I've not seen that boon for a long long time. - like hundereds of hours ago I last saw it. - must be one of the boons that have a ridiculously small drop rate % lol

[jagged scarab]

you basically need Hermes for this weapon. if you can get success rate for the extra hit too

[spare kite]

https://www.vxreddit.com/r/Hades2/comments/1lebsye/hidden_blades_fast_combo_example/

[loud terrace]

I bet this aspect goes really well with ares

[jovial cove]

you can honestly do w/e, morrigan kinda doesn't need attack/special boons

[brittle brook]

What gods are good with morrigan?

[spare kite]

pretty much everything

the attack multi hits so you can go for hestia/pos

[brittle brook]

I mean thats always a good sign

When a weapon aspect works well with any god

Ive heard mostly good things about the hidden aspects overall besides shiva

[hidden shale]

i really dont know what they want you to do with shiva. Like the Destruction thing is just to much of a hassle to keep going. Like its expensive, slow and really not that noticable

[manic harbor]

Just got a win with an obnoxiously fun build using Supay, Aphro attack, Zeus special, Shocking Loss, Aphro/Zeus duo, Demonic Cell, and a bunch of other stuff collected along the way, picked up Wispy Wiles at the end with 10 air skills, so I got a 30% dodge chance. Basically just sprinted around and through everything while they died.

Literally just ran circles around Prometheus and he was dead in no time. Typhon was a little more tricky, but I just popped omega special every time it ran out, and he went down in no time. Lol

[elfin forge]

supay is an actual meme

[plush vapor]

is it just me or is shiva kinda bad
doing the chaos trial with it which seems like it should have insane dmg but its kind of bad

or am i using it wrong idk

[manic harbor]

Meme builds can be fun as hell, I loved using the Lucifer aspect on the rail with Poseidon on the attack and the infinite ammo hammer in Hades. The super soaker was surprisingly effective

[hidden shale]

havent gotten it to work either

[hidden shale]

need to try it more. No matter how good it is, I dont think im ever gonna like it tho. I just like pressing buttons man

[elfin forge]

yeah I feel you

maybe increase the fear a bit lol, add vow of return 2 or something

I think if you don't you can actually just stand still and win

[hidden shale]

I always play with vow of return 2 man

I do hate myself most of the time yeah

[elfin forge]

well at least you got something to do while not pressing attack

[loud terrace]

Posiedon is REALLY good with shiva, I deleted everything, including chronos.

[elfin forge]

poseidon???

[hidden shale]

I doubt that

[elfin forge]

on a slower weapon???

[hidden shale]

i mean poseidong being good

[loud terrace]

i just pressed the special instead of long pressing it

[elfin forge]

poseidon is kinda good now but like, on shiva?

[brittle brook]

Poseidong

[loud terrace]

lol

[elfin forge]

poseidon cast pretty goated now

[brazen ore]

if youre doing that build tbh than i would just use mel coat. like you can build shiva that way but then i dont think it offers anything that mel coat doesnt already

[hidden shale]

you know I, imma edit it back just so you dont look weird

[brittle brook]

Thank you

[brazen ore]

like if u want to engage with the mechanics of shiva i think u need to be doing percentage based situations

[hidden shale]

I miss the old Omega cast boon

[brazen ore]

if u dont want to engage with the mechanics of shiva thats valid (they kinda suck) but then id just do mel coat

[loud terrace]

don't get me wrong, the shiva aspect is clunky asf. but i got it half working and what I saw i liked, but f me, it's stressful aspect to use lol

[hidden shale]

Instantly popping the circle was fun if you combined it with Glowing Coal you could actually jsut cast fire balls

[brazen ore]

i actually really enjoyed the build i made with it but i also got pretty lucky i think. the elephant rockets hammer makes it feel a lot better

and then its so mana hungry that if you have born gain or something, you can really stack up on all the effects that do something when you consume enough mana and go feral

[loud terrace]

Most of mels weapon's just vacuum up mana like it's nothing.

[round quartz]

Is Anubis aspect hyper dependent on omega attack?

[loud terrace]

well it's just another mana dependent weapon. - So I'd say, yes, absolutely

[hidden shale]

From my experience I wouldnt say hyper

[round quartz]

I feel like it does nothing without using omega attack

[hidden shale]

it's very good but also harder to go for in rooms

[hollow briar]

Probably why it’s my new fav lol. It’s such a rush having to keep track of like five different things, not even counting where/what the enemies are

[hidden shale]

I haven been mostly running Zeus attack tbf

[round quartz]

Also demeter special makes the pull stop working until unfrozen

[loud terrace]

the special is slow asf though, but otherwise it's not actually too bad.

[hidden shale]

very easy Blitz application while you focus on juking

[hidden shale]

yeah that is bad. Dunno if it's intened but it makes a good synergy in theory kinda worthless

[hollow briar]

Yeah, my only thing is that I feel it’s kinda necessary to be that way since it already has such a high damage ceiling

[hidden shale]

well unless you go for dem attack

[round quartz]

Wanted to freeze them as I pull them in but frozen makes foes immobile

[hollow briar]

All I really want is a little translucent ‘landing pad’ indicator for QoL and then I’m set

[trim shoal]

Is Morrigan good for 50F? If so what gods?

[loud terrace]

I'm confident they'll rework/tweak it so it feels more responsive/efficient at some point. - the loanding pad would be a QOL add on.

[hollow briar]

I feel like it’s gonna be (or already is) in the same boat as Rama from the first game where the lack of speed is really the only thing that keeps it remotely in check

And Rama’s reliance on Twin/Triple Shot, but y’know

[loud terrace]

Aspect of rama? was that the bow and arrow? - i hated that weapon lol

I adored the twin fists though, that magnetic cutter just deleted everyone

The anusbis aspect reminds me of the twin fists, with how it pulls enemies in

[hollow briar]

Yeah, that was the Hidden Aspect for the Bow

One of my favorites from that game, but I’m not that good at H1 and also didn’t have a whole lot of playtime in it past the true ending, so it’s not saying much lol

[loud terrace]

I got bored of it, i never completed the game, i got to the surface and never played it again lol

I unlocked the true ending, and got the hidden aspects and upgraded them but I never actually 100% the game cause it got tedious and I was bored of the story by that point.

[elfin forge]

I think I just didn't vibe with Hades 1 that much tbh

I finished it and stuff but the combat never felt good to me, like the combat in Hades 2 does

[loud terrace]

yeh I went back to hades 1 a while back, zag just felt clunky.

[brazen ore]

i really liked the combat in 1, 2 was a big adjustment. 2 encourages you to use your whole arsenal a lot more which is harder imo but also ends up being more fun

just took me a bit to get into it cause 1 did not really force you to do that, you could have runs where you never touched cast

[elfin forge]

the cast in Hades 1 was really underwhelming but it was the one thing I kind of liked at the end of the day, because it was a debuff I had to think about maintaining uptime on

[manic harbor]

Is there a good build with Xinth using aspect of Melinoe? Trying to finish the prophecy of beating the surface with each weapon

[brazen ore]

enemies did feel less spongy in 1 which i like more. im not a fan of the dps checks in 2. i get why they're there. and i did like running higher heat in 1. but i also liked being able to just go in on no heat with no god boons and assemble a build that worked okay

[brazen ore]

i like to focus on attacks doing scorch damage and then aiming for the hestia/demeter duo with demeters cast or something. zoom in close, freezerburn, fly away again

[manic harbor]

I'll give it a try, thank you.

[brazen ore]

i should clarify im not a high fear runner or anything so listen to people who are better than me if they say that's a bad build lol, i just have liked it

[manic harbor]

I'm not looking for anything for high fear, I literally just want to get a victory with the coat, and Melinoe is the only aspect I've maxed out. Lol

[loud moat]

Can you get trick Knives Hammer with Morrigan?

Also what does Icarus Upgrade if you only have tricks knives? Most other hammer have a clear upgrade path .

Can Icarus upgrade the number of Knives as part of Dash Strike?

[elfin forge]

icarus is usually +50% on the number, so my guess would be more knives

[loud moat]

Do you prefer faster attacks? Or high powered single strikes? Can go with Poseidon waves or perhaps aprhodite for base damage increases (omega blast)

[brave dove]

morrigan doesn't have a trick knives hammer, no

[loud moat]

I thought as much. It’s part of base kit I suppose. What are the hammers for it? I haven’t had the chance the explore

[loud terrace]

danm, that hammer upgrade is broken, i grab it everytime, i can't help it lol

[brave dove]

its unique hammers are one that adds +222 to blood triad's damage and one that gives it a 33% chance to repeat

final slice and sweeping ambush are both excellent on it

[loud moat]

Wow so either 999 damage or a chance to do 777 twice?

[brave dove]

well you can also get both and have a chance to do 999 damage twice

[loud moat]

I feel like those could be more unique lol. But I guess

[brave dove]

final slice is the actual funny tech hammer because it's your first attack after a dash attack

[loud moat]

Wait, can you explain that more

At a wedding and drinking a bit so needing more explanation than most

[brave dove]

if you dash attack and then continue the combo off the dash attack, final slice comes out as the first attack

morrigan's only a two-hit combo, but the first regular attack sucks

[loud moat]

Hades 2 Builds > eternal love to friends

[elfin forge]

also once again, the combo with morrigan is special dash attack oattack right

[brave dove]

so you can do something like fast combo->omega cast->dash attack->final slice->special for a like 5k damage combo

[elfin forge]

this ain't your wedding right

[brave dove]

though there's not many windows for that long a combo on the nastier bosses

[nocturne jungle]

Just beat a run. recommended ||vows|| to start ?

[brave dove]

time and frenzy are the staple early 'big' vows IMO, 'cause they take time to adjust to

[loud moat]

lol hell no. This is a straight wedding

How good is the Morrigan combo DPS wise? Like is it optimal to be applying hitch for it? What bonuses can apply to the Morrigan combo damage?

It’s seems great in a “Heph Boon - Bonk” kind or way. It’s sorta a cousin to Heph Bonk that you can trigger on your own.

[nocturne jungle]

Okay, ty😊

[brave dove]

it doesn't get amplified by anything except the hammers (which can be affected by success rate) and heph legendary

but the oattack is high damage and has two echoes on nearby targets

[silent crow]

its very good dps wise

you should always go for it

the best way to trigger it is special - dash attack - charge oatk from the dash atk

[loud moat]

Ok gotcha. Does winners circle make image cast a viable way of proc’ing the damage? I suppose the auto aim from Omega Attack makes it ideal.

[silent crow]

maybe on normal crowds that could work but for bosses you should still use the oatk

[loud moat]

I like that they’ve added a combo heavy weapon. I wish that’d be where they took Circe Staff, but I enjoy the cast focus they’ve done with it.

[loud moat]

Ooooo can you set up the combo on multiple enemies and then omega cast to proc it on them all?

[silent crow]

sounds difficult but in theory yes

[loud moat]

Ok sick. Just theory crafting mostly.

[silent crow]

mel staff is the combo staff now

[loud moat]

Haven’t explored it much. It’s base damage on special and more magical? What makes it so great? I’ll always miss more omega speed

[silent crow]

its mostly the base dmg on special weaving it into combos is very fluid and cool

dash atk - special with oatks weaved in for aoe is a good way to clear most encounters

[loud moat]

Mmm ok sick.

[silent crow]

aspect of selene for the coat is also a combo weapon now

similar to morrigan but its ospecial - dash attack - oatk and skyfall off cooldown

[loud moat]

I had a run pre patch that had Aphro on Special with the hammer for double specials. Felt like running around with. Shotgun. Was amazing DPS. So fun.

[silent crow]

double special hammer is insane now yea

im a huge fan of ares on the special since that instakills most zone 1 enemies and trash mobs but aphro has an insane %

[loud moat]

Really snuck up on double attack. It used to be that double attack was auto click on staff. I’ll always miss that on Circe

[silent crow]

double attack is still probably ok but i dont see how its better than the specials anymore

[loud moat]

Now double attack seems a bit out of place. Still amazing, but it doesn’t synergize “perfectly” with any one aspect.

[silent crow]

i suppose its healthier staff double attack is like the most braindead thing ever

[silent crow]

momus perhaps? the oatks are still much better than the ospecials

im convinced theyre keeping staff ospecial bad on purpose as a gag

[loud moat]

I’m glad they were able to bring specials up to snuff. Special on staff, especially early on felt so ass.

The piercing they added changed so much.

[silent crow]

ya staff is a very well-rounded weapon now one of my favorites

[loud moat]

One of the best designed weapons imo. Super balanced

[wild sun]

Well I think I realized another reason why Chronos killed me

He spawned a Time bubble thing in the middle of the screen when he did little screen blast thing, which is what I will continue to call it, and it trapped me when he went to do the second blast.

It drew a very audible very particular curse word out of me

Which sucks because the run was going spectacularly before that

[silent crow]

you have to hug the edges of the screen when he does that attack at the start of p2 (assuming rivals because theres no way they changed it so he does that on regular right??)

[wild sun]

I have rivals on

I think that's going to be a semi-permanent fixture of my runs from here on out. At some point in time I might even turn off god mode.

[silent crow]

learning rivals bosses is fun yes

[wild sun]

One of the new songs plays in his third phase and again I have not listened to it yet because I want to experience it organically so this is killing me right now in more ways than one

Actually never shown this much restraint before with anything

[hollow briar]

I just like the pacing of H2’s combat so much more

[loud moat]

lol that jerk. I’m used to diving right after him once he does his insta kill. In Vow of Rivals he does it like 3 times in a row and casts a freeze bubble.

DESIGNED to catch you if you are used to his usual moveset.

[wild sun]

Yeah my immediate thought was "they probably made it that way on purpose"

[loud moat]

I agree. The amount of dashing required in H1 was really hard to get used to. Then H2 came out and I never looked back.

[loud moat]

lol it’s fair. Once you learn it it’s super easy “DPS then move to the circle”.

[wild sun]

Defeated by muscle memory, how humiliating

[silent crow]

i tried to do that strat on chronos p2 and got instantly clonked

[elfin forge]

dying to this, I laughed out loud, literally said "SGG, you sly dogs"

[loud moat]

Only rivals fight I’m still getting used to is Cerberus. With the amount of space they give you it’s a straight up DPS Check. I get it, but god damn accepting that you’re gonna be losing 39 HP minimum to that fight if you’re a bit slower than normal is hard to swallow.

The amount of space is a sin

[wild sun]

That's the only other rivals fight that has me feeling pressed

Prometheus is more of the same honestly and Chronos speaks for himself

[silent crow]

it opens up after the halfway mark

[spare kite]

the arena opens at phase 2 btw

[wild sun]

Yeah, phase 2 is so much easier

[hollow briar]

Yeh, the only problem with the game being more methodical and positioning-based by default is that Timer becomes so much of a bigger problem for me

[loud moat]

Yea it took me a few tries to understand. It’s a pure DPS check lol. I respect it honestly.

[spiral wadi]

has anyone gotten used to max frenzy rival cerberus yet

i've been struggling,,

[silent crow]

i beat him with no damge taken but it was with anubis staff

so i kinda just plopped down fields and ran away until he died

[loud moat]

I appreciate a better focus on positioned rather than pure button mashing/dash.

Seems like the crux behind the design of Demeter Magic regen Tranquil Gain. The game SHOULD give a minute to find a quiet spot and regen, refocus and then go back into the fray. I appreciate that many of the bosses allow that overall.

[silent crow]

the 2 biggest things to me about EM cerb are the sideswipe after some of his attacks and his fire breath

[spiral wadi]

LOL nice, ive been grinding uw runs with morrigan so unfortunately i can't just camp him

[loud moat]

Still getting used to Anubis Staff. Still on used to the usual attack combo. Someone mentioned changing buttons to swap Attack and special so that “special” sets the field and “attack” draws people in.

[hollow briar]

Or when it’s not an option, unless you get really unlucky, you can often play around enemies to kinda carve a path/moment of your own

[silent crow]

was that person me by chance?

💔💔

a new thing i learned 2 seconds ago is that the dash attack is way better

thanks mini

[wide flicker]

Does Gust + Freeze not trigger Origination?

[silent crow]

nope cant be 2 curses from the same hod

[hollow briar]

Huge asterisk, it is unless you’re running Poseidon

[shy grove]

any1 aspect of morrigan build

[split igloo]

Morrigan is so busted with ares blood drop legendary...

[silent crow]

?? woah what

[shy grove]

im ngl its like unnoticable

prob like a 0.5 second difference

[hollow briar]

It bricks the Boon for some reason and only has the Wave appear once if you Dash-Strike

[hollow briar]

Even so, that split second makes a lot of difference when you’re inside a huge crowd

[silent crow]

idk i was getting handed by spindles i need that 0.5s

[split igloo]

for a broken build go for ares on attack heph on special

[shy grove]

ok ty

[split igloo]

you need blood drops for it to work good

[silent crow]

im a big fan of cutabove and ares on atk like grimes said

[split igloo]

plus if you're lucky with heph legendary you can max out the triad damage output to 999

[silent crow]

thats brilliant

(WHY WHY WHY WHY)

that same thing happens with torch ospecial i think?

[loud terrace]

I completely forgot I was playing with vow of pain at max (100%) I was wondering why I kept getting killed so much lmao.

well, mopre often then normal anyway haha

[split igloo]

anyone else thinks aspect of hel is so wonky

[loud terrace]

the range is really short, that's what I don't really like about it

[silent crow]

its super wonky until you get it "online", similar to my experience with the rail in h1

[split igloo]

rail is busted though for its special

[silent crow]

when its online you start instagibbing everything and then the controls dont matter

[split igloo]

the valkeryie thing however...

You need a buttload of poseidon buffs for it to go crazy

[silent crow]

stand far away fire the ospecial snd pretend youre playing hades 1 for a bit then repeat

[atomic ibex]

Any tips for the beginning of the rivals fight? I don't know how to deal with the suck + tongue slams simultaneously

[split igloo]

pray

[silent crow]

ive only had success with poseidon atk or zeus atk + chain lightning

[loud terrace]

no idea, I can barely get past polythemous medea as it is, cause the poison just completely deletes me.

[split igloo]

the prometheus rivals is somehow harder than eris, scylla and hecete

the most annoying rivals fight

[loud terrace]

I can't wait till I can melt herceles, I hate him so, so much.

[split igloo]

btw is it me or is eris rivals fight an absoloute joke

its legit weaker than her normal phase.... lmao

[loud terrace]

I hate eris too. - her stupid laugh is rage inducing

heracles and eris, most annoying mfs in the whole game.

[hollow briar]

I kinda like Heracles (haven’t done his Rivals fight yet) cuz he’s basically just mad at having to do odd jobs for his supervisors

[split igloo]

hercales? wdym he aint even a fightable boss

does he have a secret boss fight im not aware?

[spiral wadi]

unlock more rivals

[hollow briar]

In a sense

[split igloo]

did u guys fight eris rivals... shes a legit joke i think they nerfed her hard

maybe a bug

[pallid garden]

i love it. delta chamber rail was my fave in H1

I just did a run with Hel + Poseidon attack, it was so easy. just drop cast, hold attack, dodge when necessary. set a new clear time record and took almost no damage in the process

[versed heath]

I've been playing around with supay trying to not run every time full scorched earth. Are the specials close enough for aphrodite to boost the damage?

[shy grove]

i dont think they are but the poseidon aphro duo could make it work if you rlly wanna run that build

[jovial charm]

Is it possible to get the trick knives hammer on the hidden aspect of lim and oros?

If so that seems like it'd make for some very easy blood triad combos

[dusty hill]

does somebody know if gorgons amulet works in tartarus?

[atomic ibex]

It does

[dusty hill]

im omw to fight unrivaled chronos and have no other keepsake in mind

might as well

[spiral wadi]

i haven't gotten trick knives to show up w/ morrigan after a number of runs, doesn't feel like it's available

[dusty hill]

thank you

[harsh glacier]

any aspecct of circe builds

I was thinking hephaestus on the cast because it doubles your casts

[neat pier]

Good builds for Morrigan?

[misty skiff]

Does glorious disaster work with charin axe?

[strong dawn]

I had major frame drops with it with Ares on special

[pine ridge]

I guess start with Heph and get either Apollo, Poseidon, or Demeter next for something that triggers on Omega Cast? Apollo is a preference for the increased size

also try to force extra Hermes so you can get the one that makes omega casts shorter (does that speed up the heph hammers? no idea)

[plush beacon]

Thoughts on Arcana setups now with new EM stuff and some readjusted?

I’ve only been sticking to strength builds so far but have gotten punished super hard for it at times when I just seem to get stun locked and take a bunch of consecutive damage (skill issue)

[trim shoal]

please how do you quickly beat unrivaled hecate i keep dying to the timer in erebus (Than axe 50F frenzy 1)

[strong dawn]

I may switch to DDs actually.
Been running strength but also taking Skelly's tooth into EM Chronos and it's saved me more often than not

[plush beacon]

-40% and +20% on strength is just so strong

[trim shoal]

I feel like I'm doing something very wrong, I always end up getting through Erebus with plenty of time (7 minute timer thanks to extra fear from VoR 3), but then I always run out of time during the fight, shes just invincible and unapproachable for most of the fight without taking the damage

[bleak gale]

Is there Sprint build worth using w Supay aside from Zeus?

[spare kite]

Pos/hestia

[vital ledge]

really feeling the frenzy on super grandpa. holy calm down buddy. love it

[neon crown]

hecate isnt invincible during dark side im pretty sure, and you just need to dodge the border of the shockwave thing

[trim shoal]

But then I get nuked by the fireballs, unless there is a way to consistently dodge the fireballs up close with axe

[neon crown]

right, the fireballs. Ive got nowhere near the skill level to go throught EM hecate anywhere close to hitless, especially on any kind of high heat so not exactly sure what to do there but dash behind her maybe?

not even sure if that works

[trim shoal]

Ok I will try that. I miss the axe block special so much

[vital ledge]

I think we have to run away during the fireballs. every time I tried to be close I just ate every shot even circling around her. dash through circle, punch 2-3 times, run away seems to be the best approach I see currently

[neon crown]

whats good for a morrigan run

[past salmon]

With Rivals Hecate dark side you should be getting just a couple hits in and then running away

Dodging the fireballs up close is not viable

[versed swan]

uhhh let´s say i´m in this situation with ||Morrigan||

hidden knives
final slice
sureshot flurry
which one should i pick

maybe final slice? just in case i run out of magick

[forest hinge]

for Zeus' Air Quality infusion boon: is the 50dmg minimum calculated as the last part of the game's damage calc? Like say I've got Furies/Origin/Strength/etc, are all those bonuses calc'd BEFORE Air Quality, meaning that AQ doesnt benefit from the bonuses?

I was trying to do a ||Supay|| to take advantage of the Rush Boon dmg buff by using Dem sprint with AQ, hoping that ||Supay's|| buff calc'd AFTER Air Quality's 50 dmg, but im pretty sure it didnt but maybe i didnt notice??

[willow phoenix]

Last

It's really good with for example arctic gale since a no damage boon deals like 500 damage after it

[cosmic steppe]

Granddad beat me 4 times

[willow phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNx0CWPnk8A
I have created a monster

brb gonna melt typhon

already killed the twins in one hex lol

uploading Typhon now, actually broke the fight lol, caused it to bug out

Meanwhile
https://youtu.be/5pOSZH48gy0

[radiant stirrup]

I dont understand the new staff, how do you even use this thing?

[elfin forge]

it's lke a high attack speed cast

you use something like apollo, hera, or especially hestia attack, and place it down

combo it with your cast to create a zone of death, with stuff like hera, demeter, hestia, or poseidon cast

special isn't that important, but you can use it to add a debuff like Ares or Zeus

[willow phoenix]

or you can ignore all of that and just spam o special

the o special is very strong

drop hestia attack and spam o special

[elfin forge]

anubis staff?

[willow phoenix]

yeah

[elfin forge]

does it have good power or something

[willow phoenix]

yeah even higher than mel staff with the change to special power

And it sucks enemies in so you can clear rooms very fast

[elfin forge]

hm

[willow phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhpAOmTM0FE&ab_channel=Cromweld
reposting Bis' run

I also have this vid but only vs rivals chronos to showcase the damage
https://youtu.be/LskUfFt0tBg

[elfin forge]

wow ospecial did more than scorch there

[radiant stirrup]

I still dont get it, this feels awful to use

its so weak

[willow phoenix]

Anubis is an aspect that clears rooms very very fast, it's also good vs certain bosses, but it's weak vs the faster bosses like Prometheus, Eris, and Chronos

[elfin forge]

what attack do you have?

[radiant stirrup]

hestia, just picked up storm ring

[elfin forge]

also you might want to ignore oattack

if you don't have freeze it's probably best to attack, cast, then get the hell out of dodge

they should die very quickly as soon as they walk into it

[willow phoenix]

Anyway my Typhon vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsEwQGgtV8A
Broke the fight lol, caused some bugs

skipped the entire insta kill on 2nd egg phase

[radiant stirrup]

yeah im never using this

its so bad, you just stand there and do nothing. waiting for the attack to spread out

[elfin forge]

don't mash it lol, just press it once and move

it cooks

[radiant stirrup]

yeah im bored asf

[elfin forge]

don't play supay then lol

[radiant stirrup]

back to the axe, Nergal is the best new aspect anyways

[willow phoenix]

just use the o spec

also the speed for attack and dash attack is very different, so only use dash attack

[willow phoenix]

it's probably like the worst ngl lol

[elfin forge]

shiva is worse but nergal is fun but not great

[radiant stirrup]

how can you play the game like this, press one button and then go stand in a corner

[willow phoenix]

Nergal suffers from damage issue while shiva doesn't. The only really good way to play Nergal is just spam O special with giga cleaver/apollo leg

[forest hinge]

Supay feels so clunky, but Nergal might be my least fave of the hidden aspects tbh, i feel like it could be so fun, but the windup on attacking feels like such a slog

[radiant stirrup]

this aspect is so boring im actually quitting for a few hours, actually a vibe killer

might as well just go play an idle game if you like Anubis

[willow phoenix]

I mean you could totally just be playing it wrong but sure just think people are weird for liking anubis

[elfin forge]

idk 33 fear rivals prom is stressful enough, I'm ok with just putting down cast and attack and scrambling

[forest hinge]

Supay enjoyers riiiiiiiiiise up!!!

[radiant stirrup]

if you're gonna spam the o special then why wouldnt you use literally anything else

[elfin forge]

I think anubis does more damage because of boosted omega damage? idk

[radiant stirrup]

Mel or Momus is actually built for that, so it seems like theres no point in interacting with the mechanics of Anubis

also pressing a button and waiting for things to die is so boring

[elfin forge]

people do like their dots in games

also you might not want to play the game this patch because hestia is everywhere

[forest hinge]

well if u hate Anubis, ur gonna HATE Supay

[elfin forge]

yeah that's what I'm saying

[forest hinge]

is the move on Nergal to really use o special btw?

[elfin forge]

idk I don't got the iron for nergal

[forest hinge]

ahh alr

[radiant stirrup]

I use aphro attack, ares special, grievous blow for big number

also ares legendary is so easy to get, I can get it like 9/10 times

aphro/ares duo for heartthrobs

the Dashing Heave hammer is actually pretty decent on Nergal since its a lot faster than the windup on a normal attack

[wise knot]

Need help with Unrivaled Grandpa

Which moves are practically 1-shot that are added din Unrivaled vow? I mean those 500 damage move. It seems very excessive in amounts.

[hexed frost]

How should I build blades hidden aspect

[plush beacon]

I’m not quite clicking with any of the axe builds atm

Used to spam Than spec when it was way too strong and Charon prior to Prometheus being added

[plush beacon]

Any other axe builds besides aphro ares nergal? - 20 fear

Did not mean to @ my b

[vital ledge]

||in phase 2, instead of doing 1 oneshot attack he does 3 in a row. that's it, the rest is like usual||

[willow phoenix]

you can try apollo spec spam for nergal, it's pretty much the best build for it imo, you're functionally immortal
something like this
rivals typhon spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK-T29_G50I

[sage pecan]

can someone tell me the best defensive/safest weapons? Hidden aspects included

[willow phoenix]

probably supay, very hard to lose when you're killing everything in seconds by sprinting

[elfin forge]

defensive is kinda hard to gauge, but probably supay?

[willow phoenix]

before that I want to say Mel skull, very kinda brain dead weapon with big damage

[sage pecan]

is it considered defensive via killing everything, or defensive like artemis aspect

[wise knot]

I got hit with a lot of 500 damage attacks, where do they come from?

[sage pecan]

havent unlocked it just yet, guess ill see the vids again

[elfin forge]

supay has constantly rotating orbs of death so they die when they get close. idk

[brazen ore]

i think mel skull is slightly more risky cause you gotta sprint in to get your shells

[elfin forge]

you can just use a special from mid range to pull them in

[brazen ore]

oh yeah i forgot they changed that whoops

shows how much i play mel skull

[willow phoenix]

He does 3 insta kill attack at the beginning of p2, and sometimes another insta kill in the center with the rotating clock hand. That's it

[elfin forge]

Persephone skull has you use omega special frequently, which has you be fully immune as you drive into enemies for big damage

[willow phoenix]

you're just sprinting a lot so very safe, 0 commitment

[elfin forge]

yeah if you're using blades and you get trick knives, divine dash, you get SO many iframes

[willow phoenix]

I finally got to make Lance of Ares (Ares Godsent) feel good. The damage is honestly disgusting with enough upgrades. I think this is the godsent with the most buildup needed to feel great but actually scales really well. You want Ferocity and Prism upgrade with this Godsent so bad and any global damage buff you can get. Tall Order buffed the damage a lot here. Get task force too so you can actually use it multiple times

It's definitely at least 10k damage per skyfall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXDcUxoA-8M

[plush beacon]

Maybe my issue is my fear set up (or just skill issue)

[willow phoenix]

it is a bad weapon ngl, I also don't like Nergal personally lol

[plush beacon]

Rivals 3, Time 1, Debt 1, Menace 2, Shadow, Forfeit, Denial - 20f total

[willow phoenix]

like doing some dash attack + special spam on mel axe does way more damage consistently than Nergal

[plush beacon]

I’m primarily trying to clear out remaining 12-20 f testaments, all surface bosses so far

Then last is the final champion statue/32f run

[willow phoenix]

get return imo, less debt and forfeit

forfeit is pretty big loss, shadow is a bit of a dice roll too since some of the shadows are very strong

time 2 should be pretty doable but if you're uncomfortable with that then fangs is also fine

if you struggle with rivals 3, especially Prom, you can take it out for more fangs

[plush beacon]

What I previously ran trying to get there was Time 2 Hubris 1 Debt 1 Menace 2 Shadow Fangs 1 Frenzy 1

I’m treating Rivals like Hades 1, EM4 is not the move if you’re just trying to clear 20~ heat runs, but if you’re doing 32+ heat should get comfy with rivals 3

[willow phoenix]

yea rivals 4 is definitely not it, but I think for surface rivals 3 is also kinda hard unless you have big dps, both heracles and prom are very tanky

38k and 34k health respestively afaik

[plush beacon]

Yeah I had Pan Hel run and died to Prom due to just how tanky they were

Was attempting a death run but didn’t go well, got me debating attempting a judgement run lol

[willow phoenix]

I think depending on your build strength is still better, especially if you're doing flat damage like hestia or pos

but in terms of safety DD is better

[plush beacon]

I figured fangs 2 was a bit much

But can’t remember one way or the other tbh

[willow phoenix]

a lot of them got nerfed I think

it's not that bad

[plush beacon]

I regularly don’t have pos legendary going into prom

which is my my dmg isn’t meeting up and I just get chipped out

[willow phoenix]

that's normal lol unless you have excellence

I think if you still want to Pan then get more hexes. A lot of the hexes have insane damage and aoe which owns rivals prom

[plush beacon]

Not to mention I eat a ton more hits from Rivals vs regular fights, imo Eris’ tracking is nutty and Poly’s grab makes a fighting game command grab look like child’s play

[willow phoenix]

personally my go to daggers for 20f is just mel daggers with scorch

[plush beacon]

For the Hel/Pos run that is

Have Skull, Coat, Torch and Axe left for testament

[vital ledge]

yeah fangs 2 can be rough. before this patch I always either picked fangs 2 or frenzy 2 as both together were just too much. one of each is fun

[plush beacon]

Does the Valkyrie buff cancel if you dash? I feel like it’s been inconsistent

[vital ledge]

with rivals now, I don't think about frenzy 2 for A SINGLE SECOND

[plush beacon]

I do just think a big part of it is skill issue, bc I just did a chaos trial for non-rival run and easily cleared

Also, I regularly struggle with rival poly, but can usually clear till the end on most strength underground runs

[willow phoenix]

No it's just short

[ionic quiver]

anybody else have the problem of boon god keepsakes not working?
like i equipped demeter's for area 2 and didn't get her once, even with copious rerolling (while only having 2 gods so far)

i've had that happen like 5 times in the last 10-12 runs

never used to be this inconsistent

i swear it happened like 1-2 times in my 200 hours, and now 5 times in 10ish runs

so confused...

[olive tusk]

aspect of ||nergal ||is incredibly fun
it takes so little investment to be practically invincible

chaos help your enemies if you can manage to get all the tank boons

[willow phoenix]

This happened sometimes on Thessaly, I think it's due to the random boon sack arriving before the boon from the keepsake

[olive tusk]

I'll attest that has happened to me too, and without any boon sacks either

remember to always report it, do the hotkey in the last stage of thessaly if you happen to not find a single boon

and explain the issue

[vestal venture]

melinoe torches in this patch, what do you guys think the best build would be? ive been rocking poseidon/zeus/demeter froth build and its been pretty good but ive been wondering if aphrodite or hera might be a bit better

[ionic quiver]

it still "consumes" the guaranteed drop, while not being guaranteed itself?

[quartz parrot]

why is getting secret knife aspect so hard its been ten atempts

[willow phoenix]

If you bring the keepsake to Olympus again it'd still work afaik

[willow phoenix]

I still like Cut Above Fine Line grievous for it

[vestal venture]

oooh true

[sage pecan]

w

wtf is the prom fight, with new rivals thing. Tips?

Its so much poison, random chaotic attacks, and I already was bad at prom

[brave dove]

do you mean poly?

[sage pecan]

oh yeah

mb idk why I said prom

[brave dove]

he doesn't chase you as hard as base poly so you can play keep away fairly effectively if you listen to the sound cues

[sage pecan]

I see, any way to cheese the poison?

[brave dove]

(so you know when something will get thrown at you offscreen)

well there's the curing pools on the side if that's what you mean

[sage pecan]

oh wait, I didnt notic that

ill check a vid or smth rq, you mean the hades ones right?

[ionic quiver]

not risking a second region with no keepsake buff

[ionic quiver]

yes
like in h1.
they are in every corner of the arena (also coincidentally where poison won't reach you, unless poly shockwave)

[brave dove]

thessaly is just like that

[sage pecan]

damn that last part is good to know, thanks yall!

[wintry ore]

yeah basically just hug the walls during poison phases so you're always close to the healing pools

[ionic quiver]

happened a few times outside of thessaly, but there it happens most often

[bleak gale]

So what are the platforms you can use in Rivals Cerberus

[wintry ore]

thessaly might be my least fave region in the game. minor finds central

[wintry ore]

in phase one, only the center platform. after all the blue hearts you can go on the other platforms

[loud terrace]

What does the +0 mean when I'm using the hell aspect? i don't get it.

[willow phoenix]

Probably a bug

It's not really doing anything afaik

[loud terrace]

ok i'll fire them a bug report.

[sage pecan]

damn I was sleeping on Medea, its so fun and strong with the right hammers(the instant stack one). Also any tips on the hidden staff((anubis), feels very off and weak

[surreal hazel]

stop mashing attack

it's an AoE monster with its basic attack baaassically replaced with a second cast

[willow phoenix]

Only use dash attack, use hestia on it, use o special a lot

[surreal hazel]

Omega attack is good too

[willow phoenix]

Not worth outside of bosses imo, channels too long

[sage pecan]

hmm, ill try stacking hestia boons ig, the shade part feels off to use

[willow phoenix]

Yea that's like an afterthought for me too lol

[sage pecan]

stacking on the shiva aspect is also awkward for me, more so maintaining the stacks

[willow phoenix]

I think the maintaining stack part can just be ignored tbh, it does enough damage on its own lol

If you have elephant rockets it gets much easier though

[sage pecan]

pretty unique adds tho, nice update overall even though chronos apparently stat checks everything. Not rama or beowulf level from hades 1 though.

Yeah special spamming is the ol' reliable

[willow phoenix]

Shiva functions really well as a hex machine imo, like get total eclipse or lunar ray with it and you're gonna be spamming that

[sage pecan]

huh, ill try that I suppose, maybe with the jump hex, dont know the names

[surreal hazel]

Supreme counter makes stacking easy, but only then

[willow phoenix]

Try any godsent you get then aim for task force from Athena

[willow phoenix]

You can do something like this with shiva

[hexed frost]

Anubis looks fun but I seem to always be open to damage

Need to optimize my playsyle for it

[sage pecan]

cool, ill give it a watch, really need to see people use the new stuff more, its kinda confusing to build

[willow phoenix]

It's less a shiva build but more a lunar ray build tbh lol

But you can kinda see how Apollo makes using shiva much easier

[surreal hazel]

Nova strike makes the coats punches MUCH bigger, it's much more pronounced than other weapons at +75% size

[leaden zephyr]

I tried the artemis blades sorch build with zeus attack and duo hestia zeus boon + statik shock, seemed ok on fear 16. But I feel like having sorch on attack would have been better ?

has anyone recommednations on good new builds for higher fear ? 🙂

[brave dove]

what weapons do you like?

all the hiddens except arguably nergal can pop off with the right build though shiva wants hammers

if you want a scorch build, hidden knives with hestia attack is great

[olive tusk]

you can stack an overwhelming amount of damage sources in anubis and kill enemies so fast that they wont be able to hit you
my preferred build rn is hera/aphro and dem on my cast, poseidon on attack and hera/aphro on my spesh, though im experimenting on whats actually best on spesh
hermes's nitro boost and heph's trusty shield also makes using anubis a walk in the park

[sly plaza]

Elephant Rockets on Shiva is actually so cracked

[sage pecan]

good build for high heat medea aspect?

I usually go zeus on special and aphro/hera on attack

but kinda roll with whatever on the rest, so if someone can give me a full build/duo recommendations or smth it would be great

[cloud scarab]

what exactly does the omega attack of the Anubis Staff do? I see it creates an additional wall of some kind, but haven't found out what it does

[last cape]

Nergal's one of the strongest ones lol

[loud moat]

Does Heph Dash not work on Supay? It’s listed as boosting “Rushing” but it’s only one instance or damage?

If not, does the same logic apply to Ares Sword Dash too?

[last cape]

Well I know it works with sword dash

[loud moat]

Seems to be it makes an additional AoE field that overlaps with the circle. Essentially a double tick for whatever your attack is.

[last cape]

I haven't tested it with smithy rush out of apathy for smithy rush 😭

[loud moat]

Hmm, will have to check. Honestly wish it was something like 50 damage every 2/3 seconds on base. 8 seconds is so long is so long in a game like Hades

Then poms would boost damage

[brave dove]

based on what @_@

dashing heave builds seem worse than the mel axe equivalent, same for apollo spec spam and charon

[last cape]

This is basically all you need, preferably hera or ares for origination but aphro attack + a status cast also works

[brave dove]

being able to heal through scars 3 is nice but plentiful forage and charity bottle still work, so...

compared to supay, hel, anubis and morrigan it just doesn't measure up and even shiva has objectively the highest damage of all coats it's just clunky

[loud moat]

I feel like if it didn’t it’d be a Vow that violated the spirit of the weapon. The point of scars is to neuter your healing between zones (and occasionally from outside sources within them).

[brave dove]

I mean that the healing is basically pointless even with scars 3 because plentiful forage and charity bottle and breath of eros all still work

[hexed frost]

Thanks for this. You can get Hera + Dem oncast? Haven't played since last year so idk if they changed something

[brave dove]

outside of scars 3 it's very towhatend.jpg

you can be kinda hilariously tanky with tough gain and apollo infusion I guess??

[loud moat]

It feels nice healing up after taking a hit I should have dodged 🥲

[last cape]

That's not been my experience in terms of dashing heave, though mel axe is also really good at it you like having the aoe and the extra berserk attack speed. healing with strength is always pretty busted. It's gonna be "worse" at special spam but that's not it's purpose, it's purpose is to hit things really hard with it's attacks, the specials are there to build up berserk and sneak a little extra damage into your attack combos

[loud moat]

That’s about it. Or to keep yourself in Shameless Attitude range

[brave dove]

you can do the tests mel axe dashing heave literally just hits harder at base

[sly plaza]

Dashing heave supremacy

[brave dove]

unless I've been greatly misled at any rate

[last cape]

Things like charity bottle and plentiful forage are nice on scars 3 but you don't always have them

[brave dove]

mid-run so I can't test to double check on skelly atm

[last cape]

it's not having 1 heal on every hit

[olive tusk]

a cast can have two different god buffs i believe and omega cast can have its own separate thing

[brave dove]

I mean sure let's take that as a given but like I'm pretty sure you can more easily avoid damage with supay, hel and anubis than you can heal it with nergal

[last cape]

dash strike on mel axe is 90 btw while on nergal it's 108

That's with strength active

[brave dove]

that seems... off compared to the numbers the speedrun discord had yesterday but I'll check myself in a bit

you sure you're not doing something with huntress or similar because 108 is a weird number?

[last cape]

supay is busted as hell and I'm not really interested in comparing things to it. I'm interested in "can I beat 32 fear consistently with a weapon" and emphatically, yes with nergal

[brave dove]

is that including unrivaled chronos

because trying to do that fight with nergal is what really turned me off it

I have footage of me timing out - well, technically I start trading health until I die because I was running out of time but - with five minutes on the clock going into the fight

and while yes part of that is a skill issue it's also just... I mean you can watch the vid, I'll timestamp the final phase

[last cape]

Yes but I mean I did have a lot of attack speed that run

[brave dove]

https://youtu.be/DXGlnKHMxJ4?si=CTcHRjFb9OtsJwOO&t=128

is nergal usable yes but I think it's fairly cleanly either the weakest or second weakest hidden, given that it's up against morrigan, supay, hel and anubis for the higher spots

[olive tusk]

nergal might get a few ranks higher in lower fears, but scars just completely destroys it

[brave dove]

berserk bypasses scars 3

unless you mean in the sense that it's slow as hell so you end up trading health a lot when using it

[olive tusk]

oh that means iron core is also going to work

it is slow as hell, it can work out a bit if you can get ares and nimble limbs going but frenzy is just too much

[brave dove]

well that vid did get all the way to unrivaled chronos with frenzy 2 on, it's not too bad for that it's just trying to kill a boss obsessed with teleport spam with it is... difficult

[sly plaza]

Imo it’s like barely second strongest but then is firmly last if we start involving hammers

As much as I enjoy the Nergal meme builds so much has to go right

[brave dove]

kinda intrigued as to why you're putting it above morrigan, anubis and hel - supay I assume is the one you're putting above it

[sly plaza]

Wait I miss spoke, second weakest

[brave dove]

aaaah lol

[sly plaza]

Like Shiva jumps ahead once hammers are in the mix

[brave dove]

yeah I think nergal vs shiva is like - both have ways to work but they're kinda clunky on shiva's end and kinda a pain to make work with nergal

[sly plaza]

Because it by contrast really only needs like Elephant Rockets

Meanwhile Nergal needs a much more specific series of progression even if you go omega special

[surreal hazel]

rapid slash or rapid slash

[neon tundra]

anyone have advice for using anubis? Feel like I'm great at crowd control with it but don't know how to properly deal with bosses

[olive tusk]

why r ppl struggling with this, anubis relies on casts a lot, have dem and aphro on cast, have a good attack, preferably poseidon and chase the boss around with your attack and cast, spam your spesh while at it

[wary kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/820439260325871638/1386322273505644615/image.png?ex=685948ba&is=6857f73a&hm=6ae9759715b8cea1e559db7dc1fb46e57d07555c3c4fa4aa43cf4c1ea325e80a&

[wary kernel]

run is over

[olive tusk]

I also tried a poseidon atk+sp along with static shock and ares duo boon with legendary. that was a boss melter

[last cape]

I've found some weirdness with poseidon attack where it doesn't look like every hit is triggering it for the regular attack? Omega attack works fine though, but I've found hestia and hera to be really good on the attack for anubis

[olive tusk]

yes, hestia is really really good

i have it on my spesh sometimes to spam scorch

[last cape]

They buffed hestia so much I love taking her boons now

[olive tusk]

i havent noticed issues with the poseidon ticks in anubis attack

[wary kernel]

@olive tusk it's absurdly good i hate it everything feels trash

[olive tusk]

why are you mentioning me i am right here

[last cape]

Some weirdness I just found with Nergal just now btw - if you get too much attack speed and not enough special speed you actually lose the ability to do the attack 1 -> special -> attack combo cancel but if you get stutter step you also get to dash in between every hit of the attack combo :o

[olive tusk]

wdym too much attack speed and not enough special? the hammer?

[last cape]

Yeah rapid slash does this

I think you can still do it while berserk though which is why I specify no special speed

[wary kernel]

Man this fells unfair, hestia is no fun, it's too op

[olive tusk]

i think if berserk also gave you a speed boost nergal might compete with the rest of the aspects

success rate turns poseidon and ares better than hestia, but its telliing that they need success rate though

[loud terrace]

Whats the best boons for the hell aspect? - Ironically - Demeter was just pants on this aspect, because I took the 'frost mane' as something that might have gone bonkers with her boons, because, well, it has frost in the title and Demeter is ice. - it took an absolute AGE to beat typhon, it made the whole fight so grindy, despite ending up with over 400k damage overall on the run, it just felt SO underpowered. - at one point I just stopped attacking as it just felt I was tickling him for all the damage it was doing. lol... I refuse to believe that weapon did anywhere near 400K damage overall. lol

[last cape]

phew just got the 32 fear nergal clear

Played kind of bad vs Chronos and cleared with 4HP left

[fathom hedge]

i'm using aspect of hel rn with Hestia attack and zeus special and it's got crazy damage need to try it on some higher fear though

[tall notch]

Hera special goes hard, hitches everything around you and attack becomes effectively aoe

[surreal hazel]

The wave should only trigger once per swing, but that pulsing AoE might be causing some weirdness

[last cape]

If that's intentional then surely poseidon's not all that great on anubis attack, right?

[surreal hazel]

hrm, looking it up

the script for wave strike allows the staff swing attack to have multiple splashes, but has a 0.1 sec cooldown between each one

no wait, that's not the actual spawned field, that doesn't look like it has an allowed multi-hit at all

might just trigger once per field, that's kinda bad

[willow phoenix]

yea not really good outside of O attack

[waxen garden]

any tips for vow of rivals typhon? I don't know what to do after the fake out

[surreal hazel]

stay in the field

just walk, press A left or right in response to the laser sweeps

that big green ring that turns red when you're not in it? Stay in that

[waxen garden]

so dash through the laser attack?

[surreal hazel]

yeah, and remember he uses the double-back version, so dash as soon as he starts the backswing

the rest is just watching where Chronos's orbital projectiles are so you don't face tank them

[waxen garden]

huh, i've only reached that point twice and i always insta-die to the laser

[surreal hazel]

it's a surprising phase, but it's not actually that difficult

[last cape]

Even though you're a lot slower your dash still has i frames. It's your only defense at that point

[surreal hazel]

you do need to learn to dash the laser sweep though, not cheese it by standing in his face

[willow phoenix]

the only thing you have to watch out is the forehead projectile as that can be hard to read

the laser and chin is fairly dodgable

[last cape]

Dodging that thing feels like luck sometimes even when you haven't been turned into a baby

[waxen garden]

so what i'm hearing is 'git gud'

which, fair enough

[last cape]

Not much room to cheese or outplay when you've been turned into a literal baby unfortunately

[surreal hazel]

yeah, it's a final exam for being able to dodge properly

Maybe I've just come from other games like Furi where I've got this instinct pretty ingrained, but I've died to unrivalled Chronos a few times, but never to UR Typhon

[last cape]

I've had a much harder time learning unrivalled typhon personally. Not even for the fake out just in general

In fact a lot of the unrivalled bosses feel like a real struggle right now

[waxen garden]

tbh the new fights seem unfairly difficult to me

[willow phoenix]

typhon is much more learnable imo while Chronos has a lot of bs moves

[surreal hazel]

They adjusted his tentacle whip pattern to be less random but also something you can't just ignore

[waxen garden]

half the problem with the unrivalled typhon fight is that it's so much more difficult to get there now too so it's difficult to practice for that reason

[last cape]

again, I've found the opposite, sometimes typhon has like 3 projectiles on screen and there's tentacles and chronos and whichever direction I dodge I just get mauled

[willow phoenix]

you can save state if you want to do that, just give up on dying and delete the profile1.v.sav

[waxen garden]

oh interesting

[willow phoenix]

Typhon is also much more vulnerable to big dps compared to Chronos, so a good build can really carry you

[last cape]

That is true, it's a lot harder to pin down chronos

[sage pecan]

strength still worth over death defiance?

[willow phoenix]

I still run strength, especially for flat damage builds
but DD is better for survivability imo

[waxen garden]

I've still been running strength but it's been hard to manage the insta-kill moves

especially now that it's so much harder to get armor

previously it was only the chronos fight where this was an issue, but it's much worse with unrivalled typhon

[last cape]

Strength still gets the damage boost but you need a lot of healing for it to actually be more survivability now, like something like nergal

[waxen garden]

I still think that doesn't address the insta-kill problem

whereas DDs help a lot there

especially if you can get more of them without affecting your damage

[olive tusk]

the ticks do work with the waves, and i havent noticed any weirdness yet

[last cape]

You could also just not get insta killed. Even with heracles chasing you, it's not too hard to just i frame through the fire

And then chronos's aren't too bad to avoid in my experience

[olive tusk]

also, chronos runs around and goes invincible a LOT

its pretty annoying

[waxen garden]

I don't consider the fire an insta-kill move, it does a lot of damage but I've gotten hit by it (on Strength) without it ending the run

only the Chronos slams

[willow phoenix]

chronos only does insta kills like realistically 4 times in a rivals fight. He does the first one three times in a row then the center version later

he also does have a time bubble around him so you can't really be hitting him most of the time on the first insta kill wave, so honestly I don't see why you'd be hit by that

the center version does have a rotating clock hand now that you also need to dodge or take some damage

[iron ember]

i want to get the new fates things done and do stuff with the vow rivals but i want to keep farming for 32 fear and it's boring when im not playing at high fear... eguugguhh decisions decisions

oh my god im legit losing with only the rivals 2

i am TERRIBLE at this game

[bleak gale]

Should I be using Omega Attack or just Normal Attack with Shiva ?

[iron ember]

actually i want to know that too

[atomic ibex]

The normal attack combo will typically out damage the omega attack. However, you can do well with Apollo legendary too

[bleak gale]

if normal attack, flat or % dmg ? The Destruction applies after the boons right ?

[atomic ibex]

%damage, definitely. Destruction triggers once you hit a foe under 8%

[last cape]

You can still use the omega attack for the block + charge or with certain hammers (the one that makes the block charge destructive is really nice) but in terms of just DPS you want the attack combo

Hmm I'm bad at knowing what keepsake to take in certain situations 🤔 i think in the situation I'm in (circe cast build, death defiances, heph + demeter + poseidon in the god pool, no good commons, going into oceanus) I should just take another god keepsake? But chaos and even hecate keepsake I could also see here

[iron ember]

@open vine WRONG!!!

rat girl is right about one thing (rats and mice <3) and wrong about another (me being good at this game)

the three fates weaved my destiny into making me the most desirable cringefail girlboss; like narcissus but for those who desire pathetic affability

as such i can only suck at video games no matter how good i get at them

god im starting to talk like my fricken brother

[last cape]

huh, what happens when you stack 2 sacrificial hymns? anything?

[open vine]

You’ve made it past Rivals one, therefore you are not terrible at this game.

You may have plenty of room for improvement, sure, but you’re somewhere above terrible. At least decent, bare minimum.

There’s a lot of room between ‘terrible’ and ‘amazing’, after all.

[iron ember]

oh i didnt get past rivals 1 i whiffed it on cronos i just went to rivals 2 because i was like

that was probably a fluke i can do it next time

i love ur pfp btw i used to have one like that

[open vine]

Huh. You had to clear rivals one boss to access rivals two, right?
(And thank tou!)

[iron ember]

yeah i beat whatsherface. i cant believe i forgot my mentor and surrogate mother, hecate's name

and then scylla and then cerberus but then i whiffed it on cronos like twice

[sand shadow]

Honestly unrivalled hecate and poly absolutely demolished me

And I've done heat 24!!

Hecate took 2 death defs and poly killed me outright

[left sentinel]

Poly is nasty. Fwiw he's always sort of felt that way to me

[iron ember]

oh yeah i kept barely winning or barely dying with frenzy 2 so i lowered it. she's way easier on frenzy 0 so im not going to play with her on that anymore

[open vine]

I’ve only taken on VoR Poly once and yeah. Did not go well. Focusing on other stuff for now (mostly work but also unlocking hidden aspects)

[left sentinel]

Ye Im gonna drop Frenzy to 0 and offset with Rivals

[iron ember]

i want to beat up and marry all of the rivals so like

you know after that ill get back to farming 32 fear. maybe in hell bc i need marble

[sand shadow]

So far I've beaten both Rivals 3 surface and hades

[iron ember]

i take it back im not making melinoe marry her mentor or her grandfather or her family dog

typhon is still on the table as far as im concerned. i want to be able to give him gifts

[sand shadow]

on the underworld, while I may have beaten cerb, I didn't beat Chronos in that run (1/7th health left on phase 2!!!)

Rival Cerb is absolutely insane

[iron ember]

i have not seen rivals 2 cerb yet

got murdered by juggalo scylla

[open vine]

…okay yeah you are absolutely not terrible. I’m over here at four fear with god mode (less stress, more fun for me) at around two hundred hours H2 playtime and am pretty sure my skill is somewhere between ‘mediocre’ and ‘fair’. Terrible you ain’t.

[iron ember]

im comparing myself to the freaks who did 55 fear last update

[sand shadow]

Cerb is rivals 3, not 2?

[iron ember]

rivals 2 means the Vow of Rivals tier 2

[sand shadow]

... there's a vow of rivals tier 2?

[iron ember]

idk if there's a tier 3. that would be insane if it was

[sand shadow]

O h .

Wha
What does VOR do on tier 2??

[iron ember]

oh yeah. the things you did in 1 were high school but now you're going for your degree

[iron ember]

goth scylla and the terror from the depths

[open vine]

…is it not one boss (in each route) per VoR tier?

[hollow briar]

It is, that’s what the tiers are

[iron ember]

oh is it?

[hollow briar]

First tier means only Hecate/Polyphemus is changed

Same as the first game, yeh

[iron ember]

i did not know that at all. bc i went w/ rivals 1 and cronos' NPCs were different still.

[hollow briar]

Oh, that was just a general change

[iron ember]

gotcha. ty for the info. time father is apparently good at killing me when im impatient

[sand shadow]

OhhhhHHHHH thank GOD

[iron ember]

ftr i think it would be very cool if cronos and melinoe had a relationship (not in the romantic sense obviously)

[sand shadow]

I thought there were TWO LAYERS to this bs

Oh my GOD

[iron ember]

like that was foreshadowed i think with the BoS saying that melinoe mainly hates him from what she's been taught

[sand shadow]

I do NOT want to imagine double rivalled Poly EUGHHHH

[last cape]

To my knowledge they buffed chronos and typhon even without EM right?

[iron ember]

god i want to fight that

[hollow briar]

Dunno about Typhon, but Gramps did 100% get a buff

[iron ember]

they call him poly bc he's in a relationship with both his flock of sheep and medea. sorry i am pure evil yes thats correct

[last cape]

It's kind of funny to see so much complaining about rival polyphemus when ime it's the easiest rival boss

[sand shadow]

Typhon feels less damage nuky and more tanky IMO
Chronos is absolutely more vicious

[sand shadow]

Imo so far, Sirens are the easiest

[iron ember]

ive been getting better at it. it's mainly avoiding literally all of medea's attacks

and also poly. wow i basically just said the key is to not get hit

[last cape]

Medea is pretty predictable once you learn her patterns. Keeping in mind what she's doing is hard when poly himself is also buffed in rivals

[iron ember]

i get attacked by poly and since im using morrigan for all of these i get impatient and try to stack attacks and omega attacks on him while he's stomping

just amateur garbage. god i wish i could swear here

[last cape]

Sirens have SO MUCH going on at fury 2, Charybdis covers so much of the arena with projectiles and tentacles

[iron ember]

blood and darkness i truly am the refuse amphora of rivals 2

[sand shadow]

Isn't comboing with morrigan just special - hold attack

[last cape]

It can be a lot of things but usually

[sand shadow]

That's the fastest

[iron ember]

uhhhhhhhhh. maaybe? i dont know the ideal one

problem is i am often out of range with omega attack

[sand shadow]

Fair

[iron ember]

and when im in range i get tapped bc of frenzy 2

[last cape]

It's the fastest for one combo. The omega special is actually really good and omega cast also has it's place

[hollow briar]

Yeah, no, I haven’t had all that much trouble with him past the first few runs (which, I imagine, is how it will go for most of the new ones lol)

[iron ember]

if only melinoe could eat her spirit and become a ferocious dragon. idk i didnt watch totk

[last cape]

for some reason I'm struggling a lot more with the rivals 2 bosses than the rivals 3 bosses. I guess just cuz I have less boons and HP at that point lol

[iron ember]

is rivals 3 a thing??? god that sounds awesome

[last cape]

Rivals 4 is a thing

it's all the bosses

[iron ember]

i unironically thought ares was gonna be the summit boss on olympus

[last cape]

One of the rivals 3 bosses is even a bit of a plot twist

[iron ember]

i like what we got better but typhon sure could use some new animations for some of his attacks

[iron ember]

oh. definitely dont tell me that sounds awesome

[sand shadow]

What does that have anything to do with Medea HAHAHA

[rain marsh]

anyone got tips on rivaled underworld 3? the limited space is wrecking me

[iron ember]

idk i think she could silver her sister and half if she did that

thats not supposed to be an innuendo btw

[merry loom]

Has anyone figured out a solid build for the aspect of hel? I keep trying chain lightning and it feels pretty good

[strong dawn]

Hera special, static shock, poseidon attack was very strong for me

If you can go for Poseidon legendary that's a big help but Slip, Extended Family, hitch buffs... and whoever you want as 4th

Heph would help with Master conductor

[merry loom]

Im trying poseidon attack ares special rn and its also kinda crazy. Im in the middle of it now and Ill try and get that one hera boon that increases splash dmg

something about the dmg of olympian effects i forgot the exact name

does froth activate origination?

[fading shore]

||Maybe someone has tips to how dodge rival eris? I mean I dont die to her but always taking quite a lot of dmg her beam attacks seem just undodgeable||

[novel steeple]

just circle around her

or at least stay close to her

[fading shore]

||It works until she has multiple beams||

[novel steeple]

maybe you can do something like you could do in Hades on Hades and hug her, idk could maybe work

[last cape]

Best advice is to dash directly behind her but that can be hard to do sometimes with how fast she pops up in a new place with fury 2

And then it's way, way harder to pop her bombs on controller too

Controller recommended btw

Sometimes rivals eris really feels like a health check, do you have enough HP to pass

[haughty bear]

My latest Great Chaos Below Trial attempt be like:

Me: “Alright, I’m at the end! I’m doing ok, I think I can win this!”
Chaos: “Woe. White Antler be upon you.”
Me: “FU- (gets one tapped by Chronos)”

I was lucky enough to gain the Ares Life Drain Boon

…but not lucky enough to not get the White Antler

[novel steeple]

I've been really unlucky with the new aspects and getting them

[haughty bear]

Also this was with Thanatos Axe and Raki, guess Chaos felt crit happy today

[merry loom]

Sorry if im asking a lot of questions but can anyone recommend me a new arcana setup? Ive been sticking to the same general one for a while but I feel like its not working

[novel steeple]

I've only got one after what feels like 13h

[last cape]

what are you running currently?

[merry loom]

Can I dm you a screenshot? or do you want me to write it out

[last cape]

Dms are fine. I usually run 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 11, 13, 14, 16, 17, 21, 22, 24

[left sentinel]

Poseidon seems so weird. Its nice that Froth gave more reason to use him rather than the obligatory Attack for rapid attack weapons. I should try Zeus tho, Im of the impression his attack works well too?

[last cape]

but I'll also throw on 4, 12, or 15 sometimes

wait no

I might be getting some of these numbers wrong. God just let us post screenshots ffs

[merry loom]

Doesnt this leave 4 points unused?

Because it doesnt include strength

[last cape]

I have no idea I'm just gonna dm you a screenshot

[cosmic steppe]

So uh

Idk what happened but I can't beat rivals prom after first trying him

[last cape]

He's really hard lol

[cosmic steppe]

So I got 5 assbeats from granddad and have yet to have seen typhon

Yeah but I nuked the hobo first try with ||Morgan|| and freeze burn

[last cape]

did you die on the run up to typhon 😭 that's rough

[cosmic steppe]

Even dodged phase2 ||Heracles|| during prom phase 3 transition

[cosmic steppe]

Nah I only beat rivals prom the first time I've seen him so it was when I've only had rivals 3 available

[sour wigeon]

hey guys i got a fate of night run to kill ||typhoon ||with the axe of charron,

I got rly lucky and have heroic apollo specials /
apollo boon to give back my mana when cast expires,
and the hammer that makes my omega special hit twice.

but now im wondering what i should aim for as i kind of hit everything i needed

[last cape]

i feel like we should be spoil tagging too much info about rivals prometheus since it's the only one that's actually plot relevant/canon

[cosmic steppe]

My surface runs are decided by whether I get epic ares heal with freeze burn and Aphro hestia duo before Olympus

My bad forgor it ain't the main one

[sour wigeon]

rly? to me rival prom was the easiest of all the rivals

[last cape]

all good just seems like a good courtesy, someone in here earlier hadn't seen it yet

[sour wigeon]

outside of the witch lady

[sour wigeon]

up

[cosmic steppe]

I roll my face around the controller on doggo all 6 times I met him

[sour wigeon]

i got a rly good start i rly dont want to mess it up. want to beat the will of night on this run

[sour wigeon]

i judge how hard a boss is on the number of time i get hit

prom i did hitless, while doggo i just cant avoid taking damage

[cosmic steppe]

I judge by the number of hits I'm allowed to not care about without specifically pursuing t tank boons

[sour wigeon]

ye i see

i cant heal because of will of night so i rather not get hit at all

[last cape]

I'm just glad they didn't go with the idea of making rivals prometheus read your controller inputs lmao

[cosmic steppe]

And I hadn't had prom patterns down prior to the update anyways, I played like 90 hrs on first two patches last year and came back this June

[sour wigeon]

he did receive a heavy nerf on the update too

[cosmic steppe]

Still kicks my teeth in for 40 damage with no traces of telegraph

[jovial schooner]

really? doesn't feel like it lmao

I walked into him with 4 Death Defied, I walked out with 1.

[sour wigeon]

he doesnt use the fire missiles unless low hp while he used to spam it and they dont telegraph as much

he used to spam it

[cosmic steppe]

And eagle is OD'd on red bull

Missiles is THE ONE MOVE I learned to dodge bro

[jovial schooner]

Like, I've found a couple of builds I like but I still just can't get to the top