h2-builds-and-combat

[granite sierra]

she uses it in her normal fight doesnt she?

[summer root]

Yeah plus all the other ones

[wooden wadi]

Anyone have any good builds for anubis? I thought Hera would be good but it's kinda just a worse version of the hera cast strat

[summer root]

Hestia

[granite sierra]

she brings out lucifer for the rivals only

[summer root]

Then she forgets all the others for some reason, like what happened to her cheating ah just sniping me with a Hestia shot

[stable herald]

Yeah Hestia seems to work really well with Anubis. Especially the attack and Cardio Gain

[granite sierra]

ok yeah hestianubis is nuts

this has replaced panseidon as my favorite build

[summer root]

@granite sierra Hey did you get rapid thrasher by chance?

[tame spindle]

i just did a moros build with hestia gain, hestia attack, and zeus special

[summer root]

I got it and I literally can't tell a difference.

[granite sierra]

no, i had soulfilled ankh and mirrored ankh. rapid thrasher probably just increases the rate you can put down a new field which isnt very useful

[stable herald]

I really like Hestia on Hel Skull too, the buffs she got are really working

[summer root]

Why

[tame spindle]

it's pretty much the same as before the rework except the range is a bit longer, and wht u wanna do is put up omega special and hold attack at every enemy until they explode

[granite sierra]

it would be a little crazy if rapid trhasher increased the tick rate

[summer root]

There's already crazy stuff in this game like the new torches so I didn't think that'd be too unplausible

[granite sierra]

i never use torches so i wouldnt know what they do

[summer root]

The new torches just spam all of your attacks and you dont have to press anything

Just dodge

I recommend trying it out especially with Hestia and Poseidon. It's pretty ludicrous

[tame spindle]

u dont need to dodge if u kill everything fast enough

[summer root]

That too. It's very fast. Lol.

[brazen ore]

this is why i struggle on the surface tbh bc thats my mentality always

[granite sierra]

holy moly the torches dont feel horrible to use finally

[tame spindle]

no like genuinely

[carmine ginkgo]

Morrigan unlocked. Any particular boon standing out for it yet?

[tame spindle]

put on strength and obv dont try to get hit but if u focus more on dealing damage and learning the mechanics u will get better in general

[summer root]

It's how Prometheus ends up getting me, I just get so greedy.

[brazen ore]

it is a mentality that works GREAT for me for clearing rooms but does not work against bosses quite as well

[tame spindle]

u just arent building enough damage

[summer root]

Big fan of Aphrodite on attack.

[granite sierra]

blitz kinda feels like there's something there on morrigan

[carmine ginkgo]

[granite sierra]

if you could sync up blitz with the blood trinity i bet it could go fairly nuts

[carmine ginkgo]

[brazen ore]

yeah, i get what youre saying, but i had a lot more fun in 1 when i could do suboptimal or meme builds bc i was good enough at the game to not be dead in the water if i didnt get certain duos lol, i just need to build my skill in this game to that level as well and not die if i cant get certain builds (also i forgot i cant swear here lmao)

that said, i did try persephone skull today, which i have been an avowed skull hater for a long time. i actually really like the change

[granite sierra]

did skull get reworked too?

[brazen ore]

persephone skull did. the extra-long omega special gets "charged" by afflicting enemies with curses from olympians

as opposed to by doing cast/omega cast damage. so if you're trying to trigger origination anyway, you're pretty much always building the charge. Oh, it also gives random boons in the pool extra levels, which, i dont' know how it decides what gets extra levels. Like, whether that has interactions with reduced boon pool from fear vows or something. But it does feel actually good to me.

Whether it's actually good or whether that's just me getting excited that I can revert to monke playstyle of "hit button X until light dings, then hit button Y and zoom around, then repeat" remains to be seen

oh, I also used it in the underworld, which i'm substantially better at, so i could've also just been vibing with it based off of that. everything is easier without the haters and losers of thessaly/olympus. I like it tho

[carmine ginkgo]

Oh man. Aspect of BONK with hammer making attack 30% faster feels so nice

[stable herald]

lmao Dionysus's new boon, Personal Loan, removes itself from your boon list after he pays you back. This takes away the water infusion it gives, it just deactivated my Frosty Veneer

[brazen ore]

lol oops

[gloomy shuttle]

What a way to realise it lol

[brazen ore]

dionysus didnt need to do u like that

[stable herald]

Dionysus is just using our money to bet on our fight against Prometheus. if we lose he doesn't have to pay the debt back. it's risk free!

[inner tendon]

What keepsakes are still activated even if you unequip it? The Fig Leaf keepsake seem to still activated even if I unequipped it

[brazen ore]

Cause once you equip it, it says the next 3/2/whatever regions have a chance to have 1 room free from attackers for the rest of this night. i believe it is the only one that does that

unless you count like, gold purse of charon, which doesnt take the money away when you unequip the keepsake. (silver wheel also i think)

[brave heath]

had an insanely good run with artemis knives that had aphrodite attack, all infusions including martial arts with 9 earth and the ares infusion that gives a 50% bonus to all attacks + hammer that deals 400% damage. deleted typhon. of course, this happened on the 0 fear run where i was just trying to farm for hidden aspects

[ripe shard]

Are there any resources that give you some goods builds for all the weapon aspects?

[storm granite]

so how is anubis supposed to work again

[glad belfry]

How to get the blades hidden aspect omg

8 hours grind nothing I'm dead. I hate this game

TORTURE

[bleak night]

gotta find Artemis enough times

[indigo coyote]

does Aspect of Nyx 's nightspawn counts an individual strikes that would trigger for example chain-lightning given by zeus?

the rockets and punches from ** xinth ** black coat

[glad belfry]

TORTURE

[gaunt narwhal]

heya can someone explain aspect of shiva? im confused

[glad belfry]

Wow right after I trash the game. I got the lines

Happy 😁

[solar timber]

||be inside the AoE of your Omega Special as it lands to buff the damage of your Attacks||

[analog osprey]

question: freezer burn removes all scorch stacks, then deals the whole stack in a single tick of dmg with a damage multiplier, right?

[lofty lintel]

Any tips for aspect of supay?

[inner tendon]

Oh yea forgot about the rest of the night effect. Thank you

[shut monolith]

what kind of build is good on anubis?

[tough pasture]

I just experienced a crazy bug. On the doorstep to typhon, my screen went black. Only the hades cursor was availabe. I tried to F10 it but when I tried to type what happened, that window went blank too. So I exited out of full screen and tried to reach the f10 window and that went black too. I force closed hades 2 and lost that run. (I was expecting to be back on the doorstep leading up to typhon but no...I'm back in crossroads.)

[bleak night]

Scorch on attack with Static Shock goes hard

[glad belfry]

tips for morrigan? boons i meant

[half kindle]

Any recommended boons for the Black Coat? Game seems to put a lot of Apollo when using it.

[rustic valve]

Boons per run are random regardless of weapon/aspect

[last cape]

Ares is probably really good on the special

[loud moat]

Ares has been my go to for the attack. Unsure if the Triad combo damage can be boosted from Grievous blow/crit chance, but it’s worth testing out.

[loud moat]

Ares is just good lol

[last cape]

Speaking of, the new mechanics on some of ares boons like his gain, buff or nerf?

Single elimination going to Hestia definitely wasn't on my bingo card

[loud moat]

I honestly kinda like it. It’s a way to link over to his Blood Drops/Plasma boons, and makes his magicka regen not just Born Gain 2.0

I do think the priming health mechanic should come back in some capacity, but it was a little bit busted on top of everything else Ares also gets in his kit.

It’s a technical nerf from a numbers standpoint, but thematically and mechanically tracks better with his kit overall

[last cape]

Yeah I think I agree with all that. Speaking of pls pls pls revert it to blood sgg, the plasma is so much less visible

Everything in the game is so shiny now, this game needs a dark mode lmao

[half kindle]

Right? I barely pick any during encounters

[loud moat]

I like that it incentivizes you to grab other wounds/plasma/Ares stuff.

The OG boon you could just slap on any build to snag duos and just forget about Ares altogether.

[loud moat]

Single elimination still seems a bit Meh. Maybe moved over to Aphro? Either to replace Weak Potency boon (a bit useless) or combine with Shameless Attitude (14% damage increase above HP threshold seems sorta simple).

I do like that there are ways to recover HP (Nergal Aspect). Without it Shameless attitude is just a basic global percent increase with no interaction whatsoever if you fall below.

[sturdy knoll]

Hey guys, I'm totally out of the loop, but I just read this on the wiki:

"Artemis, Athena, Chaos, Dionysus, Hades, Hermes, and Selene will not offer Duo Boons"

"will not", as in, the devs have confirmed that they will not be added later?

[last cape]

Nergal aspect is so cool. How do you play hel? I tried her last night before bed and she seemed pretty weak

[last cape]

Yeah that's what that would mean

[stable barn]

I doubt they'll add duo boons for them since they don't function as regular gods

[last cape]

Well, I don't know if they have outright confirmed it but they definitely aren't adding those duos

We aren't getting much more content in general

[stable barn]

we did get a lot of content this patch tho

[last cape]

Some small balancing stuff aside the game's pretty much perfect now :p all the polishing this patch blew me away

[stable barn]

they need to complete the story so expect still a lot more content

[last cape]

Well, I wouldn't say a lot. They need to add the ending but that's gonna be the bulk of the 1.0 patch

[broken pasture]

Hades 1 had lots of small side stories beyond the true ending I expect hades 2 to be the same, so they still have a lot more to add

[loud moat]

Hel? The skull one? I haven’t unlocked it. Where do you find S-Reeds again?

The plant that looks like a crab claw?

[last cape]

You need to plant plankton, from the summit

[broken pasture]

Mount Olympus region I think

[loud moat]

Cool. Had those seeds but no idea they made that plant. Gotta run now! 77 timers to run down 😭

[last cape]

It's technically the summit, I believe Olympus is olives

[broken pasture]

Oh yeah that's what I meant

[arctic plover]

anyone find which boon is good on anubis attack?

[last cape]

I ran Hestia with it and it shredded

[broken pasture]

I tried hestia and Apollo today both were good

[arctic plover]

ive been thinking apollo on sprint definitely for the shades

[fringe lichen]

whats the best morrigan build

[last cape]

If Apollo works then probably most things work. Hera is probably pretty crazy since you hitch everything in the field

And since ur already running Hera you can grab extended family and a damage cast, that synergizes well with anubis

[broken pasture]

Yeah hera might be really good I'll try hera later

[arctic plover]

i can tell you aphrodite is not it bc i have her rn

[broken pasture]

My fav build for normal staff in general is sworn strike + the Zeus lightning chain boon. Absolutely shreds.

This game has so much more variety than hades 1

[last cape]

Btw RIP old Mel staff it was really fun. This one is really good and so boring

Has anyone tried circe staff?

[broken pasture]

Oh yeah it's really fun lol

[last cape]

What should I even do with it?

[arctic plover]

how does it work with toula since she just lies there?

[last cape]

I'm not sure what arcana and boons it wants

And what pet? Is Toula finally usable?

[arctic plover]

i would guess apollo + demeter on cast would be good

[broken pasture]

Hitch cast might be good too

[arctic plover]

the gust duo could go hard

[last cape]

And you get prominence flare. Did they buff it?

I had it in a chaos trial and it seemed better somehow

[arctic plover]

i mean it looks different but idk

[last cape]

Ok so toula sucks still lmao. But circe seems fun

[tough pasture]

This might be a silly question but what is the plus icon on the very top left? I'm talking about the orange/yellow icon to the left of the arcana and fear.

(Sorry. I haven't played h2 in months and I'm just now returning to it.)

[last cape]

Run the crow or dog though

[lofty lintel]

Guys what do i do with supaayyyy

[pliant pier]

poseiden is always the answer in this update

[arctic plover]

i feel like my answer is almost always demeter cast (my beloved) lmao

[pliant pier]

hestia sprint, poseidon special, ares attack will go crazy, just need a strong gain like born gain and that's the run right there

omega special -> omega attack -> omega attack, repeat

[lofty lintel]

Thank you!

I'll try it out!

[arctic plover]

im kind of curious since they put the limit on scorch stacks how much does that affect the hestia demeter duo?

[pure grove]

I went full in on a cast build, and I think with winner’s circle it has a higher dps than charon axe, but that’s just based off of vibes

[broken pasture]

ugh medea's poison is a complete pain in the ass

[low elk]

Is there anyway to boost attack speed outside of specific weapon aspects? I've never noticed any but my memory might just be atrocious

[broken pasture]

uhhh i believe hermes boon

yeah nimble limbs from hermes

[low elk]

Got it, thanks

[broken pasture]

metallic droplet keepsake too

[faint oyster]

kinda puzzled about the new hidden aspect for coat. It's pretty strong, but I feel like that special feels too slow to take advantage of its main mechanic. Anyone know a good build for it?

[blissful marsh]

I think it feels the most odd out of the bunch so far, it kinda feels like a melee aspect of Eris from the first game but feels way slower

[solemn loom]

Updated Fear Calculator
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[warm aspen]

that omega special speed on shiva deffo needs buffing

[sick tide]

So for Shiva, do people actually try to get all the buffs with the omega special and then omega attack around? It feels so unnatural to me

[faint oyster]

It feels like a mix of Lucifer, Eris, and Beowulf. It's got a good idea, but that special is way too slow to take advantage of that bomb to stack enough to matter, and by the time you are somehow able to reach 3 stacks, most enemies tend to already melt. That, and you’d proba ly have taken way too much damage trying to get inside the blast radius.

[toxic grotto]

To me shiva feels like the worst coat aspect idk its just too slow for such a close range weapon and the omega special takes 5 business days to actually hit the ground

but Im probably just bad the damage boost is juicy for sure 😔

[sick tide]

All the other hidden aspects I’ve tried have clicked way better, so I’m not really enjoying the struggle. I guess I just can launch omega specials and attack and if it boosts me it boosts me, and if not just continue to play normally

[dry lava]

I am one who loved cast builds in hades 1, I'm talking seeking blades and demeter. What weapon, aspect and build would give me that same vibe?

[manic harbor]

What would be a good start if I want to finish a run with the judgment arcana? What other cards should I use, and what should I aim for with a build?

Underworld run to make it easier btw

[blissful marsh]

Circe staff got reworked this patch to drop 2 cast zones, one from Mel and a second from your familiar, theres a bunch you probably could do with this but usually getting Winner Circle from Hermes should be priority because it speeds up the time for your cast effect to go off and for you to be able to use it again

[dawn herald]

The Final Slice hammer is pretty busted on it, you get it every 2 attacks and it has a really wide hitbox. I think Scorch on the attack is pretty great, but so is Aphrodite if you just want to go straight damage. I never used the Blood Triad except against bosses and tanky enemies, the attack is very good by itself. Freeze on the special can be nice just to slow things down to hit the Omega requirement on the Triad.

[blissful marsh]

I wouldnt say theres anything like seeking blades or demeter laser in 2 for the most part cast wise but Ares does heve an omega cast boon thst summons blade rift in the area, and duo with demeter that places cast affect around you which can be fun

[worn oriole]

anyone who has done rivals 4 and they usually play with frenzy 2, would it just be worth it to fight it at normal speed lol

[inner frigate]

is there a site or something who gives info on what are good gods for each aspect ?

[worn oriole]

the amount of clutter these fools have is nuts

[worn oriole]

not sure about a dedicated website, but @magic moss made a google spreadsheet that is up to date with last patch. it contains builds that people have won with on high fear, but can definitely translate on most fears. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit

hidden aspects and what is good with them i have 0 clue

[inner frigate]

thank you

[last cape]

Holy crap EM4 Chronos is hard

[midnight pulsar]

chat Nergal feels very very good to me

[summer root]

EM4 Typhon is truly cruel.

[worn oriole]

looking forward to it! :DD

[broken pasture]

If you don't mind me asking what does EM stand for?

[worn oriole]

extreme measures. from hades 1. people just call vow of rivals em

[broken pasture]

Oh lol

[worn oriole]

tomato tomato

[prisma wind]

What are the changes with EM?

[summer root]

Grandpa shows up.

[elfin forge]

chronos

[prisma wind]

Still in the same arena?

[summer root]

Yep its a gank.

[prisma wind]

Wow
The arena is already super small with Typhon

But only Phase 1 Chronos i guess?

[elfin forge]

idk the typhon arena was a bit big for what you actually did in that fight

[prisma wind]

Or do you have both Chronos phases?

[elfin forge]

80% of the time you were right next to him anyways

[summer root]

I think its mostly phase 1 attacks from him with some spice

[elfin forge]

do you need to hit chronos or is he like medea

[summer root]

hes like medea

[prisma wind]

Oh, good then
I just need to check EM4 Chronos now and i'll finally see how much i'm cooked with EM runs

[elfin forge]

ok hes just aoes then

[summer root]

I still need to beat them both, I got really close on both of them but choked at the end.

[tropic needle]

has anyone found a good build for aspect of supay?

[kindred sonnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/907552484074074155/1384942718081564812/image.png?ex=685443ea&is=6852f26a&hm=bf74d47641b374cddfd9ecc18e1f2cbdd93bfa49a25f72adee43586f25fe535b&

holy nerf

whats the meta now

[stable herald]

probably still Strength over Death but yeah, I really feel that nerf

[brave dove]

added damage stuff, basically - hestia or zeus special and poseidon cast and attack is pretty funny if you want something to start out with

[kindred sonnet]

also im very confused as to why they reworked torches instead of coat, hope moros doesnt feel bad to play now

[stable herald]

as someone who didn't really gel with the torches before, I think the rework is great. Feels less floaty, and tbh whenever I heard people talking about torches it was always Fine Line builds so those probably had it coming

Coat didn't need a rework so much as just minor tweaks, which it got. idk if it only got the damage buffs though, it feels snappier too but that may just be the improved animations and vfx

[last cape]

So how do you not take 100000 damage vs eris? I'm feeling the lack of twin stick support more than ever vs her

*EM2

[cinder palm]

Anyone went back to DD after this patch?

Dem nerfs plus rivals hurt lol

[steel sequoia]

is Shiva even playable somehow? i cant see it

[cinder palm]

I just do omega attack spam with it lol

It's basically a zag shield charge

[steel sequoia]

yeah but how do you even live?

[cinder palm]

It blocks most things while you're charging

[stable herald]

the usual coat dash attack spam does not work for Shiva's coat, but the attack and omega attack are hella strong. I'm not good at it yet, but launching omega specials whenever you have the time and then just attacking everything down while it rains seems to be the way

[muted brook]

I'm still a Strength believer because I'm pretty sure it's still more effective health, especially if I stack a lot of HP like I normally do

[steel sequoia]

there is any effective gods for shiva like apollo or hera, something like this?

[cinder palm]

Apollo legendary + special would probably be bis for it I guess

Double omega special so double stacks and it's bigger so easier to get the buff too

[hollow briar]

I’m excited to try it out since I absolutely hate Coat DStrike spam

…Really Dash-Striking in general in this game, but especially with how much I love the Coat Spesh lol

[stable herald]

but Exhaust Riser spam just became so much better with the buffs to Coat, Hestia, and Poseidon!

Shiva's special is completely different btw, it launches a single arcing bomb like Trippy Shot instead of a volley of missiles

[hollow briar]

Oh, that sounds pretty cool actually

Another reason to loathe Wards, I imagine, but otherwise nice

[stable herald]

it's also slooowww but it does seem cool

[neat pier]

Meta build for Momus?

[steel sequoia]

ill make a try run to see but i prolly die in poly

[hollow briar]

Ignore the Aspect entirely and go all in on regular Attacks. Or, if you’re not a coward, just anything with big bonk potential for your OAttack/OCast lol

[cinder palm]

You literally can't go wrong with zeus and hera on attack or special

[stable herald]

Momus doesn't seem to have changed much, Mirrored Thrasher + Hera boons + Apollo's legendary seems to still be the way to go

[neat pier]

Gotcha thanks

[steel sequoia]

damn i tought the special were bad but not like THIS BAD i barely cant even aim with the regular special

[stable herald]

Melinoe's staff now adds special power, OG Momus is so back baby

[solemn loom]

Patch 9 Ladder template created, will update once P9 high fear vods available.
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[magic moss]

?

[brave dove]

it isn't but it is a lot easier to buy food than DDs

[magic moss]

?

If you aren't using your omegas on momus, you are uber trolling

% atk, curse special, dmg cast, and any gain that can give you consistent mana (eg. born, ionic, cardio, etc)

[stable herald]

I think we're on the same page? Apollo and Hera fit those criteria, and Apollo's legendary doubles your omegas. Am I tripping and Mirrored Thrasher doesn't double omega attacks?

or did you mean to reply to the person suggesting to ignore the aspect mechanics and spam attack

[magic moss]

mix of both

mirrored thrasher does double your omega attacks, but it is in no way required

same with apollo legendary, though it is a potential build to go for

[steel sequoia]

circe looks funny now

[magic moss]

i hate new circe tbh

[steel sequoia]

i dont have the new blades yet, anyone knows how to enable?

[sick tide]

So are any of the new hidden aspects among the stronger overall ones, or are they just fun different ways to play? I certainly had tons of fun with Scorch Special Supay, but don’t know how strong it is

[sick tide]

Artemis

[stable herald]

All the hidden aspects are revealed by bearers of one of the other aspects

[craggy hull]

With Anubis do I just omega spam the special?

[steel sequoia]

she just offered me now on chronos path tysm

[craggy hull]

Hel seems very good with posiden

[hollow briar]

That’s just what I’d seen, idk. I also haven’t looked at Staff personally at all pre-patch and still essentially nothing outside of Anubis lmao

[craggy hull]

Just have to get the omega channel speed

[sick tide]

Special or Attack (or both)?

[hollow briar]

Obv I used the actual Aspect for my 50F because I like interacting with them the way they’re meant to be played, but it was my assumption that it was more than valid to just use Staff as a vessel for SShock and Scorch/Blitz. If anything, I’m glad to be mistaken lmao

[craggy hull]

Attack

[craggy hull]

What works with Anubis?

[hollow briar]

So much

[craggy hull]

I’ve just been spamming the omega special

But idk if there is something better

[gloomy shuttle]

Hey, do you have any build suggestion for the new skull aspect ?

[stable herald]

I'm on team Hestia Anubis, her attack and gain are so strong with it

[brazen ore]

Im not sure what is best with nergal. I dont know if i get enough hits in for spin to be worth it but it builds up berserk so slow otherwise

[kindred sonnet]

not rlly, since the special on staff now is horrible compared to the original special

[hollow briar]

The Attack is unironically really good for waveclear. Scorch applies insanely quickly, Blitz is good for single-target, Hera deletes entire encounters, and Apollo is good general damage

[hollow briar]

https://youtu.be/AX5gqd8G3wY

[cursive oyster]

what do you have against new circe

[craggy hull]

Splash attack

[hollow briar]

I went with Apollo for this run but Hestia is also a great pick because it ticks up your Scorch so damn fast lol

[kindred sonnet]

new circe seems very much like an aspect I will play for 1 run and then never again

[cursive oyster]

new circe is hype

[kindred sonnet]

so just like old circe tbh

[cursive oyster]

i don’t get why people hate it t.t

[gloomy shuttle]

Ok, why do you think it's good ?

[kindred sonnet]

I don't hate it, but the gimmick seems kinda inconsistent with positioning due to the familiars moving around unpredictability

[cursive oyster]

depends on your familiar

[hollow briar]

I really like new Circe but you also can’t use the Leash too well with Raki (from what I’ve done) and essentially not at all with Gale

[cursive oyster]

its great with raki because raki likes to follow enemies around

so your extra cast gets to almost always be on top of something

[hollow briar]

But you also get essentially double damage from Casts with Gale directly at your feet, so it’s a different way to use it

[cursive oyster]

yea

i think it’s a really cool aspect

[kindred sonnet]

maybe I just need to explore it more

[cursive oyster]

i got a really funny surface run which got prom flare + meat grinder + arctic gale + air quality on circe

[craggy hull]

The attack hits really fast so wave strike feels good u do need a lot of channel speed though since u have to use the omega special

[cursive oyster]

nearly instaphased typhon

[wintry grove]

Do folks just play the weapons they like or do you do what I do and play whichever weapon is highlighted for bonus and by doing so never master any of them?

[gloomy shuttle]

alr I'll try it out. I'm playing zeus sprint and atk with torches rn, build seems very good to me

[sick tide]

I do that while grinding for resources to experiment, then stick to ones I like. But like, you do learn over time

[wintry grove]

I learn. It’s slow. But fun 🙂

[craggy hull]

Play what you like

I have a friend who’s never even touched the skull lol

[gloomy shuttle]

play what's cool for you. But spamming the same can easily get boring

[wintry grove]

I like the variety really.

[pseudo pond]

any build suggestions for anubis?

I tried a few build, felt like most of them barely utilize the spirit

[compact comet]

how do we feel about getting poseidon's "no money or hearts and better rarity" duo after we already have sea star? If you have an effective HP or money multiplier (hermes, chaos, poseidon, etc.) high enough Im really tempted to take a different boon assuming the other 2 options are decent

[onyx trench]

tips on eris. I can do every other boss semi-consistently but her final phase is so frustrating to me that I'm having to put the game down right after this wonderful update. would appreciate advice on how to consistently beat her

[compact comet]

Vanilla eris or hard eris

[onyx trench]

vanilla

[loud moat]

You sort of play the attack like a second cast. Then you use your special to pull enemies towards you.

Had a pretty decent run with scorch on attack, and some other god curse. I think it was hitch on the cast. For the special, I’m still a little confused on what bones work the best with it.

[onyx trench]

vow of rivals scares me after medea deleted my health

[compact comet]

stay very close to her, her turn radius is VERY bad. If you just circle her, or dash through her she struggles to aim at you properly. Also I actually think rivals eris is really easy compared to medea

dont hit her too much. just rotate smack one or twice, then rotate some more.

or are you struggling with her bombs/summons?

[onyx trench]

no, your advice is what i'm looking for. the bombs are the easiest part

[compact comet]

if you dont alreaady have it on, autosprint after dash in the settlings might help you as well

makes sure youre always moving as fast as you can be

[onyx trench]

i appreciate the advice. i can do big prom pretty consistently, but eris has been hampering me from getting some of the juicy endgame conversations and goodies

[compact comet]

yeah- as unintuitive as it may feel youre safest from her either very very far away or very very close. Being in midrange with her will be the death of you. Either you need to be out of her gun's range (and therefore not hitting her) or standing behind her, rubbing up as close as possible.

even if youre using a ranged moveset.

[onyx trench]

this game feels sobering after i beat almost every weapon 32 heat on OG hades. i'm having a much harder time here, and on lower heat/fear

[manic harbor]

I've got a build I'm trying to tweak and improve that is based on the trial of thunder, could anyone give me any advice on how I could improve it?

•Umbral Flames
•Heaven Strike
•Heaven Flourish (for extra Air)
•Cardio Gain (keeps Magick up really well)
•Double Strike
•Arc Flash
•Air Quality
•Wispy Wiles
•Racing Thoughts
•Hard Target

Those are the basic components, along with anything needed to get effects of Air Quality and boost Wispy Wiles. Static Shock is nice, but not required. Hammer upgrades are preferably Furious Blaze and Dividing Blaze.

[loud moat]

Feel like it should keep the rarity, but do something that modifies boons instead of excluding non boons from rooms.

Bountiful Harvest: Increase Boon rarity XX%
Earn random 50 Gold/25 Health/25 Magick everytime you pick up a boon.

As of right now, the duo sorta has anti synergy with his other boons like Buried Treasure and Double Up (and his Duo with Hera).

Thoughts?

That also gives you extra chances to proc Double Up as well which is fun.

[compact comet]

I mean I agree, but i was moreso curious if people actually skip it or not. Ive skipped it becsause of this. Especially if I have buried treasure AND sea star. My effective gold multiplier is x2.7 and frankly Id prefer 270 gold to a boon.

[loud moat]

You’re almost always going to pick a book over a non menu room anyways. Especially late game.

[loud moat]

That’s what I mean. Excluding gold feels kinda bad (health and magick are whatever)

This way you still get a chance at “some” gold and a chance to proc other boons like Double Up/Quick Buck more frequently without messing with doors (maybe you DO want gold/health/magick)

[compact comet]

I mean the health is good too situationally. If I have x1.2 from Aphrodite and x1.3 from poseidon every heart is effectively 39 hp

[loud moat]

Yes, but outside of Aphro/Demeter duo, more health caps out at a certain point in terms of effectiveness

[compact comet]

and I highly prefer aphro and poseidon in almost every build because of those investment boons so Im hitting both often. I agree the duo would be cooler if it was something different but im asking a strategic question of whether or not people actually avoid the duo in those cases.

[loud moat]

The difference between 400 and 800 health is bragging rights unless you get that duo specifically

[compact comet]

i mean, Im straight up face-tanking Typhon at 26 fear, so I feel you can stack tanking effects pretty crazy.

[loud moat]

Then to your point yes I’ll avoid the duo, especially if I already have golden rule and Hermes Quick Buck

[compact comet]

If you have 300 hp, weak from aphro, 15% evasion from hermes, etc. you can end up with effectively like 500 hp pretty easy

[loud moat]

And you can do something similar with Heph Gain and Weak effects too.

[nova cairn]

aspect of hel 👍

[loud moat]

Or maybe have it provide Magick/HP increases based on Elements? Similar to Water fitness but for all the elements? More boons = More elements?

Either way the boon needs to work WITH other boons, not against. It shouldn’t be something that knocks out potential build paths but enhanced them.

[loud moat]

Machine gun! It’s fun.

[nova cairn]

yeah I just did a 32 underworld with it and I think scorch is really powerful on it

doing 50% of chronos' hp in 20 seconds is nice

[brazen ore]

so called 'friends' and 'allies' not giving me all my hidden aspect unlocks yet eeeeee

[last cape]

Ok so I don't see this version of persephone skull not getting nerfed but wow this is fun

[brazen ore]

OK i'm so glad it's not just me. i'm really bad at figuring out if things are 'balanced' or not because there's a lot of skill issue involved but i was like this seems kinda nuts

[loud moat]

What did they change about Persephone?

[brazen ore]

sprouted or whatever just kinda triggers without you having to think about it if you're doing literally anything, and then you just zoom around with a shield for free. the hardest part is keeping track of when the special ends so you don't land in the middle of an attack

[last cape]

Instead of boosting omega damage and charging with cast damage, it boosts the level of boons by 0-6 and charges with olympian damage

[loud moat]

How does it boost Pom level? Are they like temporary Pom level?

[last cape]

Nah you just pick up pre leveled boons with persephone skull

[brazen ore]

it shows up in the pool of boons when you pick. some will be already at random levels

[loud moat]

I can look at it later today. I’m curious though. Cool that they’re going into the Olympian damage though. Sounds fun

[last cape]

it's so nuts. You just throw together any random collection of boons and you get a crazy run. I'm doing a stabbing rush volcanic strike run and it's good

[loud moat]

So works well with Poseidon and Heph who have that on their attack/special already

[brazen ore]

im not sure how it works in the pools, whether if you don't pick a pommed boon it goes into something else

[brazen ore]

works great with hestia cast, works great with hitch, works great with like, a ham sandwich

you really dont have to try very hard for it to start working

[last cape]

It's such a good heph weapon because you can potentially just start with a 2 second cooldown

[brazen ore]

i hadnt thought about trying it with heph!

[last cape]

With the buffs to heph's damage output it's really nice

[brazen ore]

i just kinda went for it bc skull showed up as extra bones, even though its my least favorite weapon, so i was like grr arrghh grrr i guess i'll try the reworked persephone then, and i was shocked by how good it seemed to be

[last cape]

Shameless is so mid now, I picked up an epic level 4 and it's like oh wow pre nerf shameless 😭

[brazen ore]

i forgor wtf that even does. is that the aphro boon that does extra damage with high life

[last cape]

Yeah. I think they cut the damage bonus in half

it's 5% at common level 1 now iirc

[brazen ore]

that tracks but is kinda sad. it did usually feel like a "the rich get richer" kind of boon but the extra damage was high enough that even if you only had it for a short period of time cause you were not very good at keeping your life total high, it still felt worth taking

now im not sure if id take it unless i was feeling real confident with my build and if i'm feeling real confident with my build there's a lot of other boons i'd probably take instead that would capitalize on it more

OK, so what is good in heph's pool now/who does he synergize with best? cause it's not vent anymore right

how much extra damage does glow do to people

[craggy hull]

Any good builds for the morrigan?

[idle lily]

I LOVE the skulls weapon

It reminds me so much of the nemesis shield

[brazen ore]

i dont like the combat loop that medea skulls has, even though i know objectively its really good

[elfin forge]

it's very unga so it's very easy to take damage

[brazen ore]

i usually LIKE unga but this is too advanced unga for me... i have to hit two buttons? in a row?

nah fam i will mash ONE button and then OCCASIONALLY i will hit the other button but i will NOT hit buttons to set up for hitting another button

[gritty solstice]

they buffed the Black Coat Damage?

[stable herald]

yup

[old wigeon]

I got offered the incantation Power to pause and Reflect again

[keen cosmos]

I'm curious what are y'alls go-to familiars? pre-update I usually used Raki but getting back into it for this update I've been enjoying Hecuba alot

Gale also seems great if I was better at the game

[old wigeon]

I always go Hecuba

[stable herald]

Raki for life, I love me some crits

Toula still sucks, right? I saw no changes with her

[keen cosmos]

I don't see any value at all in Toula tbh, 10 hp death defiances seem pretty worthless

[brazen ore]

im using hecuba in my quest for SEEDS

[keen cosmos]

maybe with healing? or if Athena refills Toula DDs

[brazen ore]

(but usually i like raki)

[keen cosmos]

Hecuba I've found is pretty great especially early with digging up mana, though that's not as valuable once you get a good mana boon

she also seemed good at staying near enemies with Aspect of Circe

[stable herald]

yeah I didn't even think about how familiars move around until the new Circe

[brazen ore]

toula got everything bad happening for her this update. fish minigame no longer a thing (thank god, but sucks for toula), aspect of circe not using her, fish arent a useful reagent to try and prioritize....

[random scaffold]

guys how do you get the hidden aspect of knives

[fossil kestrel]

Artemis

[random scaffold]

alr, ty

[wintry grove]

Is it back to old school fishing?

[brazen ore]

yep yep

[wintry grove]

That’s fine.

[brazen ore]

which i am personally quite happy about, even if i do kinda question some of the resource implementation. like, i wish i could turn the fish into the chef

[wintry grove]

Totally

[last cape]

Got my first win on EM4 chronos with persephone skull

[brazen ore]

ggs. i'm finishing up an article and then i'm gonna try and do persephone skull on surface and finally equip hephaestus's long-suffering keepsake

[wintry grove]

lol just opened steam to “fishing fest”

[last cape]

Heph's probably gonna be really good with Persephone

[wintry grove]

Sale on fishing games. Hadeses should be there!

[brazen ore]

im bad at remembering what the icons look like from the victory screens, what gain did u use?

[last cape]

Glamor Gain. The gain wasn't very important there, I just needed enough mana to use the omega special when it's charged up

It charges really fast when you have a lot of olympian damage, like smolder ring feels like it's charging it up instantly lol

[brazen ore]

yeah, i had smolder ring when i first used it and that was what made me initially think it was kinda nutso

but i think ima try heph on this one bc i have literally never equipped buddy's keepsake and its worth a try haha

[gloomy shuttle]

Hey, how do I unlock staff's hidden aspect ? I'd like to try it

[worn oriole]

Talk to Circe enough times and she will tell you the message to summon it

[gloomy shuttle]

ok thanks

[gritty solstice]

How many?

[eager ivy]

have yall found any fun builds for the new mel torches? will poseidon attacks work well with them or should I go for % attacks?

[hollow briar]

Apollo is pretty nice, and so is Zeus

I’d imagine Pos is fine but it also does have a decently high base DMG + the Crit chance isn’t all that negligible

[odd ruin]

question, did they make cronos easier? he feels easier

[rich belfry]

guys what works will with aspect of Nergal ?

[brazen ore]

he is both easier and harder. the hourglasses in the second phase suck a lot more (and heal him i think but i was melting him pretty fast). but his animations are easier telegraphs imo

[odd ruin]

ngl, I don't think the healings a good mechanic for him

maybe for a boss where thats their whole gimmick but doesn't really feel like a cronos mechanic

[sick tide]

Wait, they heal?!? I assumed they were damaging streams and just killed them quickly lol

[odd ruin]

I mean they're grean and they point towards him, I assumed they heal him, it looked like the health bar was going up

though its not much from what I saw

[rich belfry]

i will try ares and zeus build and wish for the best

[brazen ore]

yeah, thats also what it looked like to me, but i dont know by how much. the run went better than it usually does when i dont plan things, and i was melting him really fast. if he was healing it def did not outpace the melting

cause i didnt even really aim for the hourglasses

[odd ruin]

yeah it feels redundant at that point in the run

[brazen ore]

good luck. have no advice bc i havent figured out what feels good on it either lol

[brazen ore]

it handicapped me bc there was too much going on on the screen for me to pay attention lol, but that was about it

[haughty bear]

Has anyone found an optimal setup for Shiva yet?

[last cape]

Just beat EM4 Typhon with persHephony...barely

At 33 fear

[rich belfry]

man it got a lot harder with rivals.... that witch really ruined itttt

[lucid estuary]

Aphro attack + sunny dispo worked very well for me

[haughty bear]

Sunny Disposition... is that an Apollo Boon?

[lucid estuary]

It's the apollo+aphro duo

[last cape]

Every rivals boss is really intense, supergiant did a great job with them. Kind of hoped less of them would be duo bosses though

[haughty bear]

what did that do

[lucid estuary]

Makes three heartthrobs instead of one

[haughty bear]

I mean with what setup would that not work

[lucid estuary]

true lol, it's p universal but it fits well on shiva since the special is 45 magick

[haughty bear]

man it's so clunky and awkward

[surreal hazel]

Air quality is now filthy good, prominence flare actually decent too

[haughty bear]

without the rocket upgrade it's impossible to make good usage of it

[lucid estuary]

It's a different special

[surreal hazel]

Shiva special is kijda the old rail special

[haughty bear]

and with that upgrade, it's still insanely expensive for a payoff that other weapons don't have to work as hard to achieve

[lucid estuary]

Yeah shiva basically functions like the eris rail

[haughty bear]

This version is slower tho

[surreal hazel]

The rocket is slower, default feels the same

[haughty bear]

and by the time it lands you already killed everyone

[surreal hazel]

Also basic attack combo is better on shiva

[lucid estuary]

I found it fine to work with tbh

[surreal hazel]

And omega attack is hobestly amazing

[haughty bear]

yeah but you gotta use it to make it better

as in use the Omega Special

[lucid estuary]

Generally how these things work yes

[surreal hazel]

I dunno. Punching stuff is not a tall order

Unlike anbia and torchysecret who don't want you mashing attack at all

[lucid estuary]

Shiva is definitely the coat aspect that feels the smoothest to work with so far to me tbh

[haughty bear]

maybe I just need to get better, but I kinda feel like I need to get use out of the Omega Special, and the Omega special feels horrible and clunky to use

[lucid estuary]

It's not that bad once you get used to the aim

[haughty bear]

aiming it is not the issue

[lucid estuary]

Get the first upgrade and then you can go brrr since it stacks

[haughty bear]

it's the speed, it takes like 7 business days for it to land, you already killed everyone by then

[lucid estuary]

What fear are you using it on?

[haughty bear]

so far I am just using the Vow of Rivals

[lucid estuary]

Ah yeah that makes sense

I did my run at ~20 fear so I didn't run into that issue

[haughty bear]

haven't played in a while, trying to get back into the game, but I did play at high enough fears to get Night's Champion

[loud moat]

How do you use shiva? How do you charge up the aspect?

[surreal hazel]

Blow yourself up

[lucid estuary]

Basically like rail of eris, stand in the circle where it lands and then attack goes brr

[surreal hazel]

Omega special yourself

[lucid estuary]

There's no visual for the special landing tho, hopefully they will change that

[surreal hazel]

Execute function is a bit squirrelly though

[haughty bear]

I suppose at those levels, you're not strong enough to feel the effects.... but at the same time, if you take the Vow of Haste (was that the name?) it still probably feels awful to use

you're like "come on come on land already! I'm getting swarmed here!"

[lucid estuary]

I used Aphrodite cast to keep em stuck

[surreal hazel]

(Rapture ring on anubis is kinda nuts)

[lucid estuary]

Ooooh I haven't unlocked anubis yet but I'll try that when I do

[surreal hazel]

Anubis is so weird

[lucid estuary]

What's the mechanic?

[surreal hazel]

Your attack button is like... cast #2

[lucid estuary]

Huh

[surreal hazel]

Makes a slowly expanding pulsing aoe

[eager ivy]

something like aphrodite cast

[surreal hazel]

Mashing it is bad becausevit just replaces the ring with a new one

Special sucks enemies in

Dead enemies spawn a lost shade to dash into

[haughty bear]

iiiiinteresting

[lucid estuary]

HUH. Seems interesting I'm sure I'll eat dirt on my first anubis run instinct spamming the attack lol

[haughty bear]

tbh that mechanic kinda felt weird

[surreal hazel]

So you kinda don't have a mashable move

[ember breach]

Arc Flash Blitz Supay is SUPREMELY strong

[hasty igloo]

staff of anubis + apollo is so fun, especially with the legendary and the hammers + hammer keepsake

[last cape]

It's pretty strong with the right set up but it's a bizarre one. Hera and Hestia are strong in it

[lucid estuary]

Forces you to play a little slower, I can rock with it

[surreal hazel]

Supay is ultra weird

Automatic attack and special

[haughty bear]

Supay just lets you get away with really stupid stuff

[ember breach]

Supay is you become a mobile turret, and spend mana to empower your "turret"

[surreal hazel]

Buttons only good for omegas

[lucid estuary]

Excellent

[haughty bear]

that is an excellent description

[ember breach]

The thing is- your omega attack counts for the duration of the empowerment, meaning Arc Flash triggers repeatedly the whole duration.

[surreal hazel]

I rinsed unrivalled typhon woth it first try

[last cape]

Yeah, auto attacks that you can pay magic to enhance, and then you just take sprint boons. Its really strong with Zeus sprint

[ember breach]

You're doing your empowered Blitz damage with each attack

[haughty bear]

and then you get a good Dash Boon like Hestia's and cook the enemies to a nice crisp

[brazen ore]

diego were you the one asking for nergal builds? what did you try/think?

[lucid estuary]

WHOA thats crazy

[surreal hazel]

Noticed scorch caps at 1000 now

[haughty bear]

think you mixed me up with someone else

[brazen ore]

i probably did. RIP

[last cape]

I can't believe arc flash is still in the game

[surreal hazel]

I guess that limits freezerburn

[haughty bear]

I asked about Shiva first, then the discussion moved

[brazen ore]

it was a single name username and I was like surely there can only be one of those

[haughty bear]

wait what was Arc Flash again?

[ember breach]

My rapidfire turret mode is doing four-five hundred damage per shot. while I dance around them

[surreal hazel]

Shhhhh, they'll replace it with the old electric overload if they hear you

[sick tide]

Someone said they liked going for the Aphro legendary with it

[elfin forge]

how's Mel torches right now, good or bad?

[ember breach]

Arc flash makes damage from omega moves immediately trigger blitz

[elfin forge]

wasn't it bugged

[last cape]

They're fine but not much reason to use them over moros I don't think

[ember breach]

I don't know how it would be bugged, it works as you would expect it to

[sick tide]

But the only time I enjoyed playing it was when I got the hammer that made the special shoot forward

[haughty bear]

isn't that kinda the case with all Mel Weapons?

[lucid estuary]

Yeah they're ok

Mel skull is pretty good

[haughty bear]

At least it's better than the old Zag weapons from the last game, those were all basically downgrades

[brazen ore]

i like mel coat quite a lot

[elfin forge]

the bonus damage didn't work like, on half the aspects

[last cape]

Nah, Mel staff/skull/daggers/coat all have their places. The axe is ok? But very outclassed by the new hidden aspect

[ember breach]

I mean Blitz is triggering and melting bosses like rival Cerberus and Chronos

[last cape]

It's mostly just the torches that really disappoint. 5% is so low

[lucid estuary]

What morrigan builds have you guys tried? Not sure what I want to go for with them

[ember breach]

I like the idea of Morrigan

[last cape]

Ares on the special. Everything else you can fill in with whatever you want

[lucid estuary]

Yeah the aspect is cool i just don't know how much it enables builds per se

[haughty bear]

Morrigan gets a bit to get into a rythm, especially with the new Special

[last cape]

Zeus special also very strong there

[last cape]

And hera

[haughty bear]

but the Blood Triad is a lotta damage

[lucid estuary]

🫡

[pastel obsidian]

Honestly the one thing holding back Morrigan is how long the omega moves take to charge because the attack animation is so long

[ember breach]

Huh what got that censored? Oh well.

[haughty bear]

true

[pastel obsidian]

Like, the throw is at least double the length

[ember breach]

Blood triad is the goal with that weapon, so how do you rapidly enable it?

[hasty igloo]

still feel like the black coat is the most boring weapon by a long shot, would have liked to see that one reworked instead of umbral flames

[ember breach]

Focus on hermes boons?

[haughty bear]

now there's a hot take

[lucid estuary]

The hermes omega spd boon at least

[pastel obsidian]

Best thing I've found for blood Triad is that you can trigger it twice very quickly with the special omega, because the special omega hits twice

[last cape]

You wanna end combos with the outgoing hit of the special or omega special when possible so that the return hit applies the first hit of your next combo

[brazen ore]

which nergal builds have people tried, i am like so mad at this dumb thing

[lucid estuary]

I see

[ember breach]

Gotta shotgun it then

[haughty bear]

Nergal is really fun. You go BONK BONK BONK

[pastel obsidian]

It's honestly, weird to pull off, the weapon is just a lot slower than the normal daggers, in fact, with minimal sprint speed buffs you can OUTPACE THE RETURN OF THE SPECIAL and chain it to hit many enemies

[last cape]

If you just need the damage as quickly as possible since the target isn't gonna survive do special->attack->omega attack. The chain hits on the omega attack will also set up combos on other nearby enemies

[ember breach]

I haven't found a really good niche for the weapon myself, it's weird.

[haughty bear]

you can dash mid-bonk and continue it somewhere else

[haughty bear]

OH YEAH I DID THAT! That was hilarious

[last cape]

Try to abuse the fact that you can outrun your own axes to run through things with swift runner and set up a combo

[ember breach]

Nergal is just strange. I completed a run with it- but it didn't feel good. Presumably you would want to give it like... Aphrodite maybe?

[last cape]

Nergal works with any % damage boon

[pastel obsidian]

Honestly I think you gotta play Morrigan more like Axe than like Daggers

[ember breach]

Yeah, I did it with Hera for the extra cleave

[haughty bear]

that is an apt description

[lucid estuary]

Yeah that makes sense I guess

[brazen ore]

thats what i was thinking, but i wasnt sure if the aim is to like... use the oattack to spin to do a ton of hits to build up berserk?

[ember breach]

dance around landing attack and special, then wait for an openingly to shotgun the omega special to get double blood triad?

[last cape]

It depends on your hammers but at the start of your run, omega moves are your fastest way into berserk

[lucid estuary]

I'm not great at playing the axe since I get impatient at slow weapons but that's a me problem lol. Guess I'll try out morrigan a few times and then put it back on the shelf lol

[last cape]

Also don't sleep on the regular special, you can do animation cancel stuff with it like going attack 1 -> special -> attack combo to squeeze out more damage and an extra hit. It has a long cool down but fast start up that makes it ideal for cancels

[haughty bear]

ngl Shiva feels a lot worse than any axe, because while they're both slow, the buildup feels better imo

tbh with Nergal I mash attack more than I use the Omega Attack

[last cape]

Yeah Shiva is my least favorite of the new hidden aspects so far but I can see how it's good

[haughty bear]

I can't lol

[last cape]

Everything just has such an awkward start up but the damage potential is insane

[brazen ore]

oh interesting. i feel like i might like that better. i get impatient with slow weapons and if i can pull off animation canceling that might be super fun

[ember breach]

Shiva seems very Eris-Rail inspired

[last cape]

You even skip eris's last phase with the execution on Shiva, even on EM2

[lucid estuary]

I got lucky with a high level aphrodite attack in the first chamber and started by doing like 400 damage right off the bat so I've become biased but I found it to be fun once I got used to the setup

[last cape]

The dash strike is also really good, especially with dashing heave, and you can weave in specials there too. Alternatively if you have the hammer that makes your attack 1 double hit, you can go special->attack to be able to do a normal attack out of a sprint

Also pick strength every single time with nergal

It's really important to its more face tanky healing playstyle

[brazen ore]

thank you for that, that's a really good point. I automatically still go for DDs even tho i know for a long time it was just strictly worse, but yeah with a healing thing theres no point

[pastel obsidian]

Honestly I haven't really taken off strength for a long time

[last cape]

It got stealth nerfed this update but it's still good

[brazen ore]

i'm still running on coward mentality where im like i need my safety net or im gonna die

[last cape]

Death defiances are a lot more competitive now though

[pastel obsidian]

I mean, the main buff for strength imo is the less damage taken, and having that reduced from 50-40 is rough, but it still massively increases your effective base hp

It makes every single hp increase much more powerful

[ember breach]

Are death defiances more competitive because Strength was nerfed or because they did more for the extra lives?

[pastel obsidian]

Both iirc

[last cape]

Strength is the bigger safety net with 0-1 vow of scars and arguably 2, since the damage reduction means you get more out of health and centaur hearts. Also, dead enemies can't hit you and having a free always on 20% damage boost is really nice

Further, Athena boons are a huge safety net and strength means you can always take her keepsake

[pastel obsidian]

Oh and strength was technically buffed as well as nerfed because strength makes getting the shield trinket to activate a no brainer

Yeah, the athena boon is slept on

[brazen ore]

See, I know logically that makes sense! But when i'm doing runs trying to do a clear my brain always goes "oh boy, if we don't have death defiances then one mistake means we're pretty much a goner"

[pastel obsidian]

Although I think we can all agree, the best card has been and always will be Origination

[ember breach]

Hey if you can get the curses to trigger it

[pastel obsidian]

Never ever take off Origination, I can't think of a single reason not to run it on every single run ever

[brazen ore]

i also generally have preference for hit them a lot and really fast type builds so the % increase never felt as meaningful as it could have, but yeah for nergal it looks mandatory

[last cape]

I've been experimenting with the buffed arcana cards but it's still really hard to justify taking off the old standards lol

Excellence all but guaranteeing legendaries is really funny but probably not worth 5 grasp

[brazen ore]

yeah it's really exceptional. It's sort of the biggest flaw in the card system imo bc some of the other cards are like well, I could give this up in favor of another one. Like with the old mirror system where you had to choose between two. but i really can't ever justify removing origination

[pastel obsidian]

I think the reality is just that, the reason the standard cards will always be better is because they are consistent, other cards are strong, really strong, but you need a very specific build to get it to work

And you can't really plan around getting a specific build in this game

At least not to the extent to get the more niche cards to be a consistently viable pick

[last cape]

Well, you can get pretty close. I think that's one of the appeals of Hades as a roguelike, especially Hades 2

[brazen ore]

i still don't fully understand the omoves combo one

[last cape]

I can force a run where something like death pops off

[pastel obsidian]

Like, Night, for example, goated on aspect of Momus, not really that great on most other weapons

[brazen ore]

yeah, i dont think ive ever taken night except for once on a momus run

[last cape]

Night being the regen?

[brazen ore]

its the omoves combo one

[pastel obsidian]

Nah Night is omega combo damage boost

And since Momus pumps out omega moves like no one's business

[last cape]

Ohh ok. Yeah thought that was still death

[brazen ore]

which i dont know if ive ever like fully grasped what omega combo damage is, i just know that well obvs when im playing momus im doing omove after omove, but i dont really do that with any other weapon

[last cape]

It means use one omega move and then a different one

As long as you aren't using the same move twice you get the boost

[brazen ore]

it adds the 9% to the second move?

[pastel obsidian]

To use it properly with Momus you activate the next omega move, say Omega Special, before the next proc of Omega attack goes off

[last cape]

And the third one and so on, as long as it's not the same one twice in a row

[brazen ore]

or whatever it is. probably not 9% if i had it fully upgraded which i dont

[last cape]

It's 15% at max btw

[pastel obsidian]

I think it goes up to 15?

[brazen ore]

yeah, i think ive never taken it bc theres always a card id rather spend grasp on rather than trust myself to be constantly outputting omoves

except for momus

[pastel obsidian]

Other ones are like, Artificer, can be good, but too high a cost to justify over more immediate power, same thing with Excellence and The Unseen, they just cost too much

[last cape]

Most aspects don't want to invest in multiple omega moves to the point where you're spamming them back to back so it doesn't get run much, but you can do it with some weapons. Momus being the easiest

[brazen ore]

in this patch i can kinda see excellence being used if you want to be fishing for a specific legendary. but if you're doing that you probably want all your rerolls as well, and that runs up the cost pretty fast

[last cape]

The Unseen is so close to being good but I wish it could just cost less lol. A lot of the new weapons are magic hungry

10 Regen is enough to never worry but so is born gain

[pastel obsidian]

Honestly, I think a buff for Unseen would be to remove all the magic regen boons from the run if you're running it

Cause it's just a dead roll at that point

[brazen ore]

i have taken the unseen on surface routes so i can worry less about making sure i hit a good gain

but thats about the only time ive really done it, and even then i didnt feel GOOD about it lol

[pastel obsidian]

I will say one thing tho, Excellence and Queen are great for one very specific purpose

[surreal hazel]

Tough gain would disagree strongly

[pastel obsidian]

Farming Prophecy, also yeah fair Tough Gain goes crazy

[brazen ore]

haha i was gonna say. fated list of minor prophecies hates to see me coming with my checklist in hand

[last cape]

What's heroic level 6 tough gain btw? Asking for Persephone purposes

[surreal hazel]

-10 damage, capped out

[pastel obsidian]

You need some specific really rare god boons or duo boons? Run Excellence and/or Queen, and the corresponding trinket

Yeah tough gain is really good especially when paired with other defense buffs like Strength and the like

[last cape]

Idk with excellence you can just ball and probably get the legendary without it

[surreal hazel]

Also is the reason brave face got nerfed

[pastel obsidian]

Honestly the greatest casualty of strength is the Kitty, they give you a death defiance as a passive rip

[last cape]

Unless ur in a high enough fear to be running onion but you're not gonna bring it then either

[pastel obsidian]

Onion moment

[brazen ore]

the kitty cat cannot stop catching Ls

[pastel obsidian]

Rest it piece kitter

[brazen ore]

maybe its what she wants. she sleeps all the time during combat anyway so she's like yeah. leave me at camp.

[surreal hazel]

She was great for skipping the fishing minigame

[split igloo]

What is the new tierlist of boons? and weapons?

[pastel obsidian]

Bit early to tell

[last cape]

How many legendaries are even good enough to hunt that hard for? Heph, Hera, Apollo, maybe Ares?

Oh Poseidon too kinda

[pastel obsidian]

Don't sleep on Poseidon either

[surreal hazel]

King tide is disgustingly good

[pastel obsidian]

Yeah I got a build with 2 chaos special boons, aspect of selene coat, king tide, and arterial spray

[surreal hazel]

Not rolled new hestia legendary

[pastel obsidian]

And slippery slope, chronos died in 30 seconds

[last cape]

It sounds uhhh not good

[surreal hazel]

What does it do?

[brazen ore]

apollo is the main legendary i would wanna hunt for (doubly so bc i kinda usually dont want him for much else? like he's fine i just usually have better options)

[last cape]

Clears projectiles when you cast and scorches the projectile thrower. Her dash and legendary traded places for some reason

[pastel obsidian]

Huh, I mean, that makes sense to a degree

Fire on the ground as you sprint makes more sense as the dash perk than deleting projectiles

That feels more like an Athena tier power than a normal ass dash boon

[brazen ore]

it kinda means you kill yourself in thessaly a bit tho

[pastel obsidian]

Fair, but if you don't play like an idiot it can help out

[brazen ore]

but i need to play like an idiot to live

the patient needs idiocy to live

[pastel obsidian]

REAL

[last cape]

I think the only aspects I've not tried are Mel and eos torches now

[pastel obsidian]

Honestly reminds of the time I just straight up burger tanked through the entire Typhon fight with the new blades

[brazen ore]

i havent tried new circe but i probably wont until she comes up in the extra bonesy thing

bruh i want to try the new blades so bad but artemis apparently has a lot of other things on her mind!!!

[pastel obsidian]

530 hp with strength and tough

[brazen ore]

this lady has never had so much to say to me before. it's astounding.

[last cape]

Fish for a geyser spout winners circle build

[brazen ore]

🎣

[pastel obsidian]

I didn't even need high super high dps the big boi just couldn't get through my hp

[last cape]

New blades are so funny, they do so much damage I don't even feel like I need boons

[pastel obsidian]

Yeah they seem like that til you find out how obtuse activating the big damage can be

[last cape]

It just takes some practice

It's definitely a high skill cap weapon

[pastel obsidian]

They just feel, oddly slow, charging omega attack after attacking feels like fighting through mollases and the special throw has completely destroyed my sense of timing with comboing

[last cape]

But it's one of my favorite things to come out of the update, that and nergal and persephone

[pastel obsidian]

I'm sure I can get used to it but jeez

I needa get the new stuff baaaad, I know who to talk to and all that, they just haven't been giving me the dialogue I need

[last cape]

I do like when I can get the swift strike hammer. When I can use it, the omega special is a lot faster for setting that up. You can also still omega cast for groups

[pastel obsidian]

Circe and Medea especially have decided to go on strike, haven't seen them in my past 5 surface runs

Does having the not extreme measures 1 prevent Medea from spawning in the town?

[last cape]

No she still shows up in town

[pastel obsidian]

Damn guess I'm just stupidly unlucky then

[brazen ore]

ive seen them and theyve both had other things to talk about

[pastel obsidian]

I swear I've seen Medea like... 3 times? Out of over 40 surface runs

[brazen ore]

same with artemis, who is really holding out on me

charon was a bro and handed it over immediately tho

[pastel obsidian]

Charon has no new unique dialogue and is holding out on me

I have a crack theory that maybe you get the odds of getting the new aspect increase if your weapon is a higher level

[brazen ore]

i dont think that can be it bc i despise axe and never use it

[pastel obsidian]

Like, having a level 5 apsect makes it so the dialogue comes faster or something, I'm just hallucinating the stats in my head

Not using the thing, having it fully upgraded

[brazen ore]

whereas i adore blades and use them frequently. i dont have any level 5 axe aspects and two of my blades are fully upgraded

[pastel obsidian]

Maybe I just got lucky running into Artemis with the blades equipped

[last cape]

She only shows up in health and magic rooms on the surface

[brazen ore]

oh, i've seen her !

oh you mean she only shows up to give in those roomsm

[last cape]

And only in the city

[pastel obsidian]

I wonder if anyone has the official statistics on how common/rare Medea is, she's gotta be like a 10% spawn in the city or something like that

[brazen ore]

here's hoping then

[pastel obsidian]

She's so damn rare in my game

[brazen ore]

so much of this is anecdote but i'm kinda with you? like, i see circe a lot it feels like, but i rarely seem to see medea (which is a shame cause i like medea's design much more than circe's. i kinda don't love circe's fun aunt vibe, though it IS a vibe)

[pastel obsidian]

She has GOT to be the rarest NPC spawn in the game, by a LONG SHOT

[elfin forge]

meanwhile I saw medea like 4 times in a row

[last cape]

For whatever the anecdote is worth, I play a lot and her spawn rate feels roughly 2/5

[brazen ore]

but also, it kinda feels a bit bad to see medea, bc the early game in ephyra is so tight that it feels like i wasted a room

[last cape]

Maybe 3/10

[brazen ore]

yeah, i think it's just bad luck, honestly, that we never see her. i can't imagine she's actually tuned to spawn less than circe

[pastel obsidian]

I see Circe and Dio like, once every 3 runs, roughly, I've seen Medea maybe 1/10 runs MAX

[brazen ore]

unless thessaly is weird like that

[elfin forge]

thessaly is now more consistent so maybe you get circe more often

[pastel obsidian]

Her buffs aren't even that good why did Supergiant make her so rare lmao

[brazen ore]

yeah, i wonder if that might play into it. I know they made some changes with it to stop it from being a nightmare

[last cape]

Medea is really nice when you have a tight timer but yeah her rewards range from pretty good to really bad

[pastel obsidian]

Like don't get me wrong, free buffs are free buffs, but she's weaker than Circe and Dio as far as I'm concerned

[rich belfry]

oh my god i cant beat the first bosssssss with this amount of poison ????????

[elfin forge]

medea is solid imo. gold, half armor, good stuff

[brazen ore]

true, im not at the skill level for surface where i'm caring about the timer yet

[last cape]

The gold is really nice

[brazen ore]

so i bet if you are it feels different

[safe notch]

https://i.imgur.com/IjMpaAP.png arcana arrangement i'm running rn, i like that there seems to be a reasonable amount of variety in people's arcana choices

[last cape]

I usually take Medea just to fish for wealth from the dead

[pastel obsidian]

I didn't really notice this til after fighting them several times but there are 2 little ponds at the edges of the arena that cleanse your poison

Completely removes the debuff

[rich belfry]

no way

[last cape]

3 actually

[pastel obsidian]

One at the southwestern end, one at the north eastern end roughly

My fight I only saw 2, maybe they are semi-random

The look like little mandrakes chilling in a hot tub

[safe notch]

they are semi random

there's like 6 fountains or something and they're in fixed locations but some will be disabled each time

[brazen ore]

fair warning: while obvs better than not using the pools, they sure do help less than you would hope, cause you eat a big chunk of damage as you frantically run to them

[pastel obsidian]

Honestly the poison jumpscared me to hell and back, I usually breeze though the city with Artemis horn just to cut down on the time it takes to go through it and the poison uhh, it does flat damage

[brazen ore]

Oopsies

I'd weep

[elfin forge]

I think it's random which ones pop up

there are 4 but there's like, 2 active at any time

[pastel obsidian]

Idk they are not super duper useful cause you gotta rip your attention away from the bullet hell to see the thing and then maneuver to it, lengthening the fight, and then you could just get poisoned right away after

Better to focus on learning and dodging the new attack pattern I think

[elfin forge]

poison->cleanse->poison right away is a true combo

[pastel obsidian]

Maybe if the cleanse made you immune to the poison for like 15 seconds?

[brazen ore]

they're better than if they didnt exist at all but yeahhh. sadly it's not a "ah, i didnt know there were antidotes! now the fight is manageable!"

[pastel obsidian]

It might be worth it to hit them during the phase transition attacks

[elfin forge]

I also just struggle a lot with keeping up good DPS on poly when he's poisoned

[pastel obsidian]

I LOVE AREA DENIAL, I LOVE AREA DENIAL SO MUCH IN A GAME WHERE ALL MY ATTACKS MOVE MY CHARACTER RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[brazen ore]

i struggle with vanilla poly tbh, which is an embarrassing thing to say, but i'm always so convinced that actually his stomps won't do that much to me. it's fine and i can facetank.

[pastel obsidian]

Yeah, Poly is a battle of patience in a game where everything feels like you've injected crack speed wise

[brazen ore]

i like the fight, and i know that my struggles with it are like 99% my own impatience cause i'm like wow look at how much damage i'm doing! i don't need to run away!

[pastel obsidian]

You gotta fight Poly at his pace, not your own, and that can throw a lot of people off

The sax solo makes up for it tho

[brazen ore]

dance emote when

[pastel obsidian]

When are we gonna have the scene where Mel has to dance battle the twink grandpa Chronos to decide the fate of the world smh

[analog scarab]

So... I've only gone through 3 new extreme bosses so far, but it seems that the approach is the same everywhere - just stuff the whole screen with special effects and projectiles...

It feels like all the bosses have turned into Prometheus now.

[pastel obsidian]

Yeah it's more than a bit overwhelming, strength and other buffs let me just burger through extreme Hecate and Scilla but like, I don't feel confident in those fights at allllllll

Inb4 extreme Prometheus is literally just the old Prometheus fight, no changes or buffs otherwise

[analog scarab]

Yes, I can already imagine how I'm going to do it at 60 fear, when I have to avoid every unit of damage... disgusting.

[pastel obsidian]

I just, don't put that kinda fear on myself tbh, not necessary to stress so hard, I like my heart not kersploding

[brazen ore]

"I'm going to save my whole family! Zagreus, Persephone, and Hades too!"

"...say that again...."

[pastel obsidian]

Oh no

[analog scarab]

but game is to easy Without it

Without this, you'll always be way too overpowered and just face-tank all the damage like it's nothing.

[brazen ore]

then maybe its not a hard enough game for you. like, the high fear runs are super cool and i love seeing people do them, but it's also pretty clearly designed as an extra challenge and not a part of "completing the game"

[analog scarab]

I like builds in hades.

[brazen ore]

so i dont think they're primarily balancing around 60fear players bc most people are not playing at 60 fear, thats how come mininet can have a spreadsheet of everyone who does it

[analog scarab]

Sure. They don't know how to make good and difficult boss fights.

[brazen ore]

sure if that's your opinion

you can simply play a game you like more

[analog scarab]

You do realize that you don't have to love and praise every aspect of a game, right? Some things in Hades are good, others are bad. The good ones make the game worth playing. I can name a game that's the complete opposite—one with perfect combat design and challenging bosses but weak and boring builds. And guess what? I love it just as much as Hades.

[nova cairn]

anyone else think anubis is kinda weak or am i missing something

had heroic apollo attack boon and it just felt like it did 0 damage

[ember breach]

So I'm going to step in and say as someone who played Hades 1 to the point of exhausting everything in it, Hades 2 was not "easy" without learning the game and mechanics, which took several runs. I'm not sure where this is coming from but it seems you're annoyed with the rival fights? The rival fights are all plenty learnable and just as "easy" once you learn and understand them.

[brazen ore]

yeah for sure, and there are some things i would change as well. Like with everything. i just feel like if you're playing at the highest optional difficulty that like a scarce handful of people play at because its the only way you can enjoy it, but you also dont like the way it plays at that highest difficulty, idk. They probably fundamentally won't be able to balance it in a way that is satisfying to you, because it's not really an easy game for most people.

[ember breach]

Don't be frustrated because you're having trouble after just a day of the new patch, you'll get it. 🙂

[wild sun]

So far I've only had the opportunity to try out the aspect of Nergal but I am having an absolute blast with it. Trouble is I decided to upgrade it all the way, completely neglecting the fact that all of the other hidden aspects also require nightmare to unlock.

[brazen ore]

what are you running on it? It feels kinda clunky to me, tho i dont have it upgraded all the way

so i know its gonna feel a bit clunkier just cause it'll take a lot longer to enter berserk

[fathom wagon]

Random thought - i think its possible to end on surface with 50 boons

[wild sun]

So far I've been playing around with Apollo a lot, just increasing my maximum attack radius and strength, there is a hammer that makes your dash attack hit twice, and then anything that increases your attack speed like something from Hermes is phenomenal. I'm treating it like the aspect of Arthur from the first game, so on that note maybe I should try out some crit attack stuff.. The special attack seems like it would be really powerful if you built around it, I have not tried to do so yet. I just like hitting things with a big hammer.

[craggy hull]

Mel staff kinda sucks

[ember breach]

That makes sense, I'd go either Hera or Apollo, and Apollo's probably better with the double-hit boon

[brazen ore]

i was going for aphro to get big number + maybe healing synergies but we'll see how ephyra treats me

[wild sun]

I'm looking forward to trying aspect of Hel on the skull. It's the aspect of one of my favorite goddesses on one of my favorite weapons.

Now I need to either turn up the fear or start collecting a lot of bones.

[brazen ore]

aw hel(l) yeah, medea! yayyy

i can join the skull crowd

[wild sun]

Also did anyone else notice that the five hit sequence with the aspect of nergal makes it look like Mel is uh... "throwing it back" as it were?

Nevermind

[last cape]

It's like a gun aspect in Hades 1 in a lot of ways lol

[stable herald]

Aspect of Hel is amazing, instantly my favorite skull. get the hammer that doubles your Valkyrie mode

[steel sequoia]

i liked hel too

is it something like this? Morrigan > Hel > Supay > Anúbis > Nergal > Shiva

[granite sierra]

aspect of supay is SO MUCH FUN HOLY MOLY

[supple fog]

how do you unlock hidden aspects

[bleak night]

You see the names of the owners of the second aspects of each weap ?

[supple fog]

yeah?

[steel sequoia]

@bleak night have you done with all content already? im playing so badly i need some tips

[bleak night]

talk to them

[bleak night]

def not, but what do you need tips on ?

[steel sequoia]

since im sucking hard from not playing for a while i was thinking in spam something good

mel skull still broken? scorch working with it?

[elfin forge]

Mel Skull still good, I would use something like Aphro on it, with Zeus special

[steel sequoia]

why zeus special? i wouldnt even use special

[mental sluice]

I feel like the new Eris fight isn't as difficult as the Polyphemus one. Prometheus's is kinda brutal, the memory game is more punishing with his new support 😮‍💨

[steel sequoia]

i did a mel staff with scorch and looked crazy good, idk if was scorch or the special buff

[bleak night]

Sorry I haven't used anything that isn't a hidden so far lol

I'd try the Circe change out next after the new toy syndrome has died

[steel sequoia]

the best one is morrigan right?

[elfin forge]

it's probably changed since you've played. Special now magnets all skulls to you, so it's a reload

[steel sequoia]

good to know ty

[bleak night]

Supay or Morrigan, imo

[steel sequoia]

thats why i was magnetizing mobs with staff too?

[elfin forge]

anubis sucks enemies with specia

[steel sequoia]

i liked playing supay but i cant stay alive enough

[loud moat]

Does anyone know what forging a bond does for a keepsake? Does it buff it in anyway?

[mental sluice]

Supay goes pretty wild. I like Morrigan, but I wish the special was a bit faster.

[elfin forge]

there's a fast combo for supay if you look it up, seems to make it a lot snappier

[steel sequoia]

i didnt understand anubis tbh

[mental sluice]

You mean Morrigan?

[elfin forge]

yeah I meant morr

[steel sequoia]

thats what i tought

[jolly swan]

@bleak night what do you have for Hel Skull?

[bleak night]

Wave Strike and Froth from Slippery Slope + Static Shock spam only ngl, I think everything else is kinda just inferior

[jolly swan]

would you go Ares on special and try for the duo/grevious value?

[steel sequoia]

i just disliked shiva from the new ones, tho i reached typhon spamming special with static shock and went more far than the nerval/anubis

[jolly swan]

you're using a coat. no loss you take counts. It's like a soul level 1 challenge in a dark souls game

[bleak night]

I would not go out of my way to ru his keepsake but yeah Grievous and Arterial are good pickups

[jolly swan]

[mental sluice]

Shiva's ability feels the worst to interact with.

[jolly swan]

there's a hammer called "Elephant rocket" or something like that. If you don't get it, reset.

[steel sequoia]

i think the special is too cluncky, idk if its slow or/and its so bad to aim

and you need 6 dunks to trigger, it looks so useless i mean you can clear a room with 3

[jolly swan]

I dont think there's a stack counter either so you never know how many you're at unless I missed it

nvm, it's down to the right of your HP/Mana bar. I double checked that

[polar ravine]

what was shivas ability again?

oh its the stay in explosion of the omega special to get a counter

yeah its......clunky

[analog scarab]

The air quality for non-arcana runs is quite good now, isn't it?? It can increase the damage of some boons by 5 times!

[analog scarab]

not realy. It's like an aspect of Eris from the first game. You can also take hammer that will shoot special forward.

[brave dove]

air quality is cracked in general, going all in on zeus and picking up demeter for gale can give you some crazy damage

particularly with supay

[analog scarab]

old air quality literally did nothing 99% of time

When you have global arcana damage and at least a little bit of the rarity the static damage becomes more than 30

[brave dove]

yeah the current one gives you about 1200 damage per cast off demeter gale-

given it boosts static shock as well it's genuinely very very good now, especially since it means you can skimp like mad on poms and rarity for boons that aren't going to break 50 by a significant amount with that investment

[analog scarab]

I'm also surprised that the freezing effect hasn't been weakened...

Looks like Hephaestus, Demeter, Zeus, and Hera are still the ultimate god combo for high fear. Both Hephaestus and Zeus got even stronger

[jagged sparrow]

wait I only posted that here because I noticed I couldn't post images in discussion, but I couldn't do that here either I'm gonna move it there lol

[hazy crater]

what attack and special boons should I go with for morrigan?

[left sentinel]

wondering exact same now lol, unlocked a minute ago 😛

[polar ravine]

so any thoughts on chronos insta-killing you in his second phase if you try to use the hex to raise a defeated enemy?

[analog scarab]

attack hits super fast, so the scorch damage stacks up crazy quick. For example, my attack has 100 burn damage and hits 3 times—that’s 300 damage instantly! https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/810812561065902080/1385070571628265533/image.png?ex=6854bafd&is=6853697d&hm=b22060d21b9f9408040bdf1223832a98fab1c15320d1981d8b439ac092f430c0&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=550&height=308

with Demetr duo it will me crazy fast dmg
P.S. By the end of the run, my basic attack was dealing twice as much damage as scorch and six times more than Freezer burn. So scorch might not be the optimal choice here...

[granite sierra]

anyone got any tips for phase 1 of rivals cerberus? it feels almost impossible to dodge a lot of his attacks on that tiny platform

[glad belfry]

That's just skill issue lol. I find that boss the easiest

[proper cloak]

Of course it's a skill issue that's why they're asking for advice 💀

[glad belfry]

Just get behind him

Nah I meant

Just get good

[left sentinel]

Is Black Coat kind of meh in general, or can it really excel with certain aspects? Im of the impression Shiva is prob the weakest of the new aspects?

[barren marsh]

Supay is so broken

Just put scorch on special and then go hard on scorch

literally melts everything

[grave forge]

How does Scorch work with universal damage boosts like Origination? Do they increase the Scorch buildup per hit, or do they act as a multiplier to the actual DoT damage?

[elfin forge]

I believe it does both

you apply more stacks, and drain more stacks per second

[grave forge]

So it does increase the actual dps if you're applying Scorch faster than it normall ticks down?

[stable herald]

So scorch now works with bonus Olympian damage, yeah? Do the Path of Stars boons that add your attack/special boons to your hex work now? Before they only added the extra effect, not the bonus damage

[analog scarab]

highly doubt

[elfin forge]

I'm going off of what the wiki says about scorch from last patch

"Scorch deals 13.3 damage, applied 6 times per second (every 0.16 Sec.), resulting in 80 damage per second.

It is affected by global damage increase effects, which scale the base damage(increasing the 13.3 damage per hit).
Unlike most damage sources, Scorch cannot deal Critical damage, (was) not Olympian Damage, and not affected by Ares' Grievous Blow and Mutual Destruction."

[mental sluice]

Is it just poor rng, or is it that if a hex is godsent, it won't have a second capstone available?

[elfin forge]

godsent replaces one capstone

[mental sluice]

Got it, so just poor rng on the hex paths

[analog scarab]

Speaking of rng, I'm so sick of getting 3 omega hammers when I have all the mana reserved by the oath. Where are my hammer rolls?!

It's so Dumb.

[analog ether]

Rivals Chronos is definitely difficult.

[barren marsh]

I beat rivals chronos first try cause I had a build that let me dodge over 50% of the time

[queen charm]

I been meaning to ask if anyone got the answer, but when you activate Way of the Valkyrie of the Hel aspect, it has a number next to the activated icon-what is that for?

[analog ether]

||First phase: He can summon up a pair of that vampire miniboss from Tartaros, and his big scythe swing leaves two damage arcs.

Second phase: His big instakill AOE fires multiple times in a row, and the safe zone for it can change locations. His dash leaves a double rift, and I think his scythe swing has a wider arc?

Third phase: Huge arena, with a bunch of time circles on the ground that create imploding shockwaves. Multiple of these shockwaves can happen simultaneously.||

[jagged scarab]

||does he have another instakill attack on phase 2? i died to something that wasn't the first 3 attacks||

[fathom flicker]

hey so does heph's security just not good this patch? cause I realized that it doesn't protect trusty nor the silk dress at all

[analog ether]

I don't know? If he does, I moved phase before he could trigger it.

[tough pasture]

Random drive-by post at midnight: I believe in shield supremacy.

"We have been let down! IT'S NOT FAIR"

[broken pasture]

what should i put on aspect of supay? i put on zeus' attack boon and apollo special + zeus lightning chain and it's just shredding everything. should i put anything else on the special? maybe to get the god's double effect + 25% damage arcana. lol supay is so fun

[ashen timber]

Idea: Ares Healing boon on sister blades + Artemis Keepsake. Is that a bad idea? Or am I onto something?

Others have probably had this idea, but I'm trying different things out for myself and seeing what works.

[elfin forge]

not a new idea. Keep in mind that antler is only for one region, so high fear runners usually save it for final zone

[ashen timber]

Fair enough, and I can also avoid max health buffs to keep from going over 40 in the meantime

My idea is Aphro attack + her Bonus damage while over 80% health boon, Ares Healing + Plasma boons, going for his Legendary if I can.

With Aphro/Ares duo making heartthrobs, Apollo also is a decent fit for his duo too.

My question now is, who's the 4th?

[elfin forge]

idk I don't think too hard about duos I just focus on core boons

[analog scarab]

"Why does Poseidon's attack on the Anubis aspect only trigger on the outer ring of the attack, while Hestia's scorch and even Chain Lightning affect the entire inner area?

Did they intentionally nerf Poseidon's attack into the ground?

[south copper]

any recommendation for which animal companion goes best with Circis staff now?

[elfin forge]

maybe raki?

[flat epoch]

Can anyone explain supay for me 😩 what am I meant to be doing

[south copper]

eh ok I'll try that one first, flying target to target helps

[south copper]

I love it. Just spam omega moves, fly around, let them do all the damage for you, I recommend having a lot of magika for it. Takes me back to when the torches first came out in terms of play style

[stuck ridge]

how do I unlock EM2 btw? I assumed I jus had to beat the first set of EM bosses atleast once but I beat Hecate and Polyphemus and didnt unlock it

[barren marsh]

each level of rivals is unlocked by beating the rivals boosted guardians of the previous level

so for rivals 2, you'd need to beat both hecate and the cyclops with rivals active

[south copper]

I think you need to speak to Selene too

[stuck ridge]

yeah I def did that and it didnt unlock, was there a convo I missed or sum

[analog ether]

Then go to the Cauldron to unlock the next level.

[stuck ridge]

my goat 👑 @south copper too 👑

[analog ether]

Good gods, Nergal is FUN when you go full Ares with it.

[zinc forge]

does the black coat hex have a god perk?

[analog ether]

Selene's aspect? Yes, it has Ares.

[zinc forge]

oh sweet

[analog ether]

Skyfall shots all apply Wounds.

[rich belfry]

wait if kept giving ambrosia to moros ... will he be my lover ? hah

[crystal burrow]

I might be dumb I just realized that Poseidon cast inflects Froth (I still call it slip). I have been skipping it all this time because I thought it just did damage

I have 100 hours in this game BTW

[crystal burrow]

Supay is go Zeus ideally on special but attack is doable, then you want to hard force Arc flash ASAP

[flat epoch]

Is Static Shock a good idea or is the prime not worth it

[crystal burrow]

Like with all Magick heavy builds you can invest super hard into Selene

Static shock is crazy good with Supay

Pair it with Air quality

[elfin forge]

air quality, static shock, hestia on Anubis sounds Insane. I'll have to try that later

[analog ether]

Okay, didn't realize this. Chronos can heal in his fight.

[elfin forge]

yeah his adds have healbeams now, instead of being the regular Tempus enemies

[crystal burrow]

Oh and with Supay you can meme builds with Zeus sprint

[broken pasture]

wtf supay is insane just got my best run ever in underworld

my first sub 10, zeus sprint and hestia special + zeus lightning chain melted everything

[magic moss]

ok so i did an hour of experimentation on anubis

and i think its insanely broken

[mental sluice]

In what way?

[magic moss]

insane amounts of dps with just 2 boons

[mental sluice]

What's the strategy with it?

[magic moss]

hestia attack + curse special for origination
Zeus Special is the best
Alternative high priority is Poseidon's Tidal Ring for the Froth damage
Roll miniboss for whichever you find first

[mental sluice]

I see, each pulse of the attack basically mass inflicts scorch?

[magic moss]

yes

[barren marsh]

I haven't really gotten anubis to work well at all yet

the new torch aspect is super busted though

[south copper]

so thats why people were asking for more than 999 scorch

[analog ether]

I'd like to try it.

If Hestia would actually give me her Attack boon, and actually show up more than once a night.

[magic moss]

Anubis Demonstration Vods played at 55 Fear. Spoilers ahead.
||Run 1: Died to Rivals Hecate https://youtu.be/7WJROPlohtk||
||Run 2: Died to Rivals Sirens https://youtu.be/zTBX_v5f50k||
How to Play: ||You want to play Anubis like you're a cowboy trying to bring things into the attack. Position and move around so that the special vacuum brings the enemy to your attack, and use your cast to lock them down in it. Dash attack into cast is the best way to set it up as the dattack from what i can tell has reduced attack timings so it comes out faster.||
Best Build: ||Hestia Attack (Start keepsake), Zeus Special, Poseidon Cast, Any Gain.||
Alternative Options: ||Poseidon Special or any curse special/cast. Freeze is a really great alternative for special and cast for defensive utility. ||

[stuck ridge]

wait the EM2 Scylla song is tuff

was kinda in a rush due to time constraints but ima have to check the full thing out

[crystal burrow]

Hecate low key toughest boss with rivals turned on granted I only just unlocked rival 4 so havent seen Chronos or Typhon yet

[stuck ridge]

brother I still struggle on prometh sometimes 😂 i've only beatin Typhon once, EM gonna tear my ass up 🤣

[warped yacht]

does atk boons also affect dash attack? ive never gotten a clear answer for that

[warped yacht]

what do people use for 55 fear now that the max is 67

[magic moss]

standard 50 + rivals

[elfin forge]

well 62 fear is everything but void. 55 would let you remove 7 fear from that, dealers choice

@magic moss what cast do you use for anubis

demeter, or something harder hitting?

[warped yacht]

but do attack boons affect dash attack? because ive seen some do and some dont

[magic moss]

Poseidon has highest DPS due to Froth, but Dem is solid as well.

[warped yacht]

like i know that status effects carry over but do damage bonuses

like secret crush boosts attack power but does thag account for dash attack power as well

[elfin forge]

they should all carry over I think. The only thing that doesn't is hammers that specify "your Attack gains ..."

Attack is just regular attack combo, no dash attack or omega attack.
Attacks plural is everything

[analog ether]

Anubis doesn't feel like it handles Cerberus Rival very well.

Especially after the minion phase.

[warped yacht]

ah ok so look for the wording of buffs got it

[elfin forge]

wait is blood spree like, super op with anubis

[atomic sandal]

nice build, but do u know if hammer rapid thrasher (attacks are 50% faster) works for it? (Anubis staff)

[magic moss]

I unlocked the aspect an hour before those vods, I still have no clue all the interactions

[brazen ore]

new persephone really does kinda slap. finally tried it with hephaestus blast effects on special and scorch on everything else and it is really very fast. someone better than me at the game would probably do even better with it

[analog scarab]

62+ fear is this even possible with all that extra time the game now demands for boss fights? Some literally got 2x health or more

[bleak night]

Yeah

Idk on Surface but def on UW

[analog scarab]

I'll probably stop at 59. The combat difficulty doesn't scare me, but I refuse to restart runs 20 times due to the Tight Deadline

[tough pasture]

did mint condition get eliminated?

(I haven't seen it in a bunch of runs.)

[stable herald]

it was replaced with Security System, which gives you temporary armor instead of invincibility

[analog scarab]

They replaced it with a new boon that grants temporary armor at the start of combat.

[tough pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/what-wait-wait-huh-excuse-me-gif-24270414

[bleak night]

They don't want invuln to be part of the game as mucb anymore, look at the Total Eclipse and Wolf Howl upgrades that used to have impervious

[tough pasture]

hades 2 v1.0 players will never understand the greatness that was mint condition + pre-nerfed mental block.

[analog scarab]

This is actually the right call. I'm surprised they didn't nerf freeze effects too - these two mechanics together could literally shut down gameplay entirely

[tough pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/jalen-rose-towel-made-it-gif-14554386

[brazen ore]

sometimes i still think about original momus staff and shed a singular tear

[tough pasture]

YES!!!

Literally, "press and hold"

[brazen ore]

my beloved press y to win stick. gone but not forgotten

[stable herald]

Anvil Ring + Winner's Circle, the clangs happen at normal speed but the cast itself goes away faster. So you can drop multiple sets of clangs

what does this mean for clang gang

[barren marsh]

heph has a new boon that gives damage bonus based on the armor you have, so mint condition being replaced with temporary armor is actually a buff

[tough pasture]

Oh. I saw that one. I didn't understand it so I avoided taking it.

[barren marsh]

it's just "if you have armor, do more damage based on how much armor you have"

[brazen ore]

i think there are not enough ways to get armor outside of heph boons for it to be super useful as a casual take

[barren marsh]

more armor = more damage

[analog scarab]

Yeah, Heph is now the king of high heat