h2-builds-and-combat

[gloomy shuttle]

Nice !! Even more opportunities to get RAILED by Eris

[brave dove]

this is presuming that surface bosses are included, mind, I am being a bit hopeful

[drowsy mist]

romance Eris lets goooo!
.
.
.
.
Oh you mean, the other kind of railed -

[analog scarab]

Did you play the first game?

[gloomy shuttle]

@analog scarab do you think hestia leg + slow cooker is very viable - deserves to be build towards ? Didn't play it yes

[gloomy shuttle]

I chose my words wisely 🙂

ICARUS ROMANCE IBEG

[drowsy mist]

yeah, I hit hades once, unlocked the pact, then failed so horribly, so many times and was just, horrible at the game and understanding its mechanics, I gave up.
Got like 37 hours on it

[brave dove]

My guess is that the LIs are Eris, Moros, Nemesis, Arachne and Icarus

with the open possibility of one or more of those being like Dusa in H1

[drowsy mist]

Let us date the malnourish victorian style greek twink!

[brave dove]

(Arachne and Icarus being the most likely candidates for that IMO)

[gloomy shuttle]

Damn almost enough to make Melinoe a believable greek god

[drowsy mist]

w-why.... the spider?

[brave dove]

(while Eris Moros and Nemesis seem pretty locked in as Actual LIs, for all I think Nemesis's is kind of bad)

[gloomy shuttle]

(Ik she is, very minor though)

[brave dove]

well her quest is probably about trying to break her curse so

[drowsy mist]

I'm also curious on how we actually stop all this and how the story continues to still have the roguelite element like in hades 1

[brave dove]

pitch black stone/dream/time travel pick your poison there's a bunch of options

including the very bold 'we don't actually win' though I'm not sure SGG are willing to go for that

[gloomy shuttle]

Very funny to compare Hades' and Percy Jackson's depiction

[drowsy mist]

but those fall into the "its just a dream" writing fallacy, it makes the story feel hollow

[brave dove]

huh?

[olive tusk]

for medea games i attach the atk and spesh to my keyboard and only use my mouse to guide meli using dashes lmao

[brave dove]

I mean this would be 'after you finished the postgame, which would involve probably at least twenty clears + however long it took you to get there'

[analog scarab]

If you get it, it's very powerful. I threw a screenshot somewhere where I clear Olympus with almost only one legendary. Killing Typhon is incredibly easy by the way - you just run under his chin and he burns.
The only problem is getting both legendary and slow cooker on high fear. I tried to do it at 50. Only got it with the help of ecco thing. But then I died like an idiot in the rift by running into damage...

[brave dove]

like 'you can go into a simulator to repeat it' does not retroactively make the 'real' events of the story into a dream

[gloomy shuttle]

Is there a particular weapon/aspect that helps for this build ?

[olive tusk]

its tricky to dodge his cyclone attack though, especially after you kill his spawn phase and his tail is also on your back

[drowsy mist]

yeah but also, the story should still continue, saying "it was a dream" or "a possible future but not what you actually achieved within the stone" feels like a hollow victory

[brave dove]

yeah that's smart, mouse buttons are real killer on your wrists

[olive tusk]

spamming is way better too, after getting some speed the spamming gets to a comical levle

[brave dove]

I don't see how 'you can repeat your adventures in the pitch black stone' is fundamentally any different to h1 having hades just hire zag as a pentester

[finite snow]

guys are any duo boons good on aspect of selene?

[brave dove]

really depends on your build

heinous affront is good on anything though if you're looking for a funny build

[analog scarab]

The hardest part is not losing all the time while you're putting together a build in town. So I did it with Tan Axe and Momus' Staff, because those aspects are very strong on their own.

[olive tusk]

heinous affront is probably one of the most versatile builds in the game

[gloomy shuttle]

I did pause my run to talk on discord, then got back on it and got hit FIVE TIMES in the next room lmao

[brave dove]

yeah it's just kind of rng to get apollo in there too

[drowsy mist]

It feels lack luster when you just say it like that, maybe when its portrayed in the game it'll be presented better

[olive tusk]

yeah

its very easy to setup if you're willing to do Surface rerolls

[analog scarab]

I was talking about killing with the Hestia legendary. All you have to do is literally just run under his chin.

[olive tusk]

more annoying in underworld

[brave dove]

yeah giving it some gravitas isn't too hard, maybe it's about keeping chronos suppressed in a nightmare or something

[gloomy shuttle]

Alright. Also do you know any way to scam scars, like witche's hammer ?

[drowsy mist]

yeah. that feels a lot more likely

[brave dove]

ephyra my beloved I wish I didn't need to save 90-120 seconds on you

[olive tusk]

yeah, what do you do in his spawn phase

[olive tusk]

real

[analog scarab]

Vampire Cataclysm, Demeter harvest.

[brave dove]

coming out of ephyra with less than that saved is always a big pain point

you kinda need fig leaf to save you but unfortunately, fig leaf is a scam

and you're probably running menace 2 have fun killing eris in sub 30 seconds

[analog scarab]

Plentiful Forage

[olive tusk]

also, the twin blades have been feeling underpowered lately, probably because ive been cycling between aspect of charon, medea and moros-fine line

[gloomy shuttle]

What is vampire cataclysm ?

[olive tusk]

any nice twin blade builds?

[analog scarab]

staff hamer

[brave dove]

I think artemis and pan can stack up to charon

fine line torches and aspect of medea are kinda broken true

[analog scarab]

i'm I don't speak English very well and don't know what all things are called in the original.....

[olive tusk]

well, charon is pretty much useless in 32 fear, it is fun though

[brave dove]

if you can get the +magicka cost +400% damage omega attack hammer aspect of artemis is hilarious

[olive tusk]

sounds interesting

[brave dove]

combo it with that one demeter boon that does more or less the same thing

[olive tusk]

aphro attack maybe? to really get those multipliers going

[brave dove]

aphro, hera, apollo

[olive tusk]

cool

[gloomy shuttle]

And my game is not in english haha. But got it, witch's hammer and demeter boon about harvesting

[brave dove]

any of the big multipliers, aphro is the highest damage but the hammer also makes the attack Big so it won't hit everything it hits with the bonus

ares might be comparable for just the omega attack but then your regular attacks are weaker without a good grievous wounds or something like heinous affront

[olive tusk]

yeah and i have to think way more about applying wounds with omega atk

[brave dove]

last time I did it I used hera

free curse on hit for easy origination, good multiplier and it makes the aoe of it funnier

• hera in general is just very good to have in the pool for obvious reasons

[olive tusk]

aphro atk applying weak isnt possible is it

[brave dove]

it is not, though her magicka buff is free weak to close range

[analog scarab]

The most reliable is to reduce incoming damage and take Plentiful Forage. I just got to Prometheus with this build: afro attack and dash, brave face, Plentiful Forage, arctic ring, tough gain.

[olive tusk]

aphro on sprint and hera on cast maybe

[analog scarab]

But once again I ran out of time.

[brave dove]

I'd just not take scars 3 for 32 fear, honestly

[olive tusk]

definitely

[brave dove]

hera cast is one of my faves ye

though funny to think about what her launch one was

(it was rousing reception and +time as the basic effect)

[olive tusk]

I had a ton of fun absolutely breaking the game with bridal glow and zeus duo boons

[gloomy shuttle]

I would't even take scars 2 for 32

[olive tusk]

managed to get a level 37 fine line heroic

im gonna miss doing that

[brave dove]

I might for surface because return 2 and shadows suck so hard on there

and all scars 2 really does is nullify strength's doubled healing so

[olive tusk]

return sucks hard in thessaly

incredible pain just so much running around

[brave dove]

yeah...

shadows I should probably just suck up because it is only like, 2-3 encounters it just makes those 2-3 encounters suck so much

[olive tusk]

wonder what they could do to fix thessaly

[gloomy shuttle]

Auto watchers number per room capped

@analog scarab do you have any tips to avoid damage from the very basic enemy that spins in the underworld ? I struggle not to get hit by them when playing torches

Skill issue for sure, that I'd like to solve

[analog scarab]

Just use the cast as an obstacle between you and them.

Even a base cast won't let them pass

[gloomy shuttle]

I'll try to focus on that

[analog scarab]

My main advice, assign buttons in a way that makes you comfortable. For example, I set the cast on the left trigger to use it constantly between attacks and dashes.

Torches just allow you to use a cast while attacking

[gloomy shuttle]

I'll replace my spell

For now I : equip Hera's keepsake, take forever to clear, die from time in front of Hecate.
Here we go again

[analog scarab]

Collected all the Hestia boons in Ephyra, but died from the timer in Cyclops fight. No Hercules, no Medea or Artemis...

[gloomy shuttle]

Tragic

[analog scarab]

Attempt #2: Collected or blocked all Hestia's gifts, except Legendary, before shop. Literally, the only boon left is Legendary. Buying Hestia's boon from Charon. Nothing.

[spare kite]

Denial doesn't work for legendaries since forever

[gloomy shuttle]

Which weapon are you doing this time ?

• to be fair it does not seem so unlucky, it's more that getting everything would be a litteral blessing

3 + infusion + leg

[gloomy shuttle]

Legit got this exact setup and died like a noob...

[analog scarab]

did it

with mel axe

The hardest part is getting Legendary and the slow cooker in town.

The run itself is pretty easy, especially after getting the nitro boost and Plentiful forage

[gloomy shuttle]

I may try axe next time. For now, got tired of dying because of the need to rush

[gloomy shuttle]

@analog scarab @magic moss do you know if artemis bolts that fire when we hit with attacks or specials also work with hestias leg's dmg ticks ?

By reading the desc I'd say no, but hey slow cooker makes it scale so

[magic moss]

hestia legendary? no
slow cooker? yes

[gloomy shuttle]

So it's not triggered by legendary's fire trail

[magic moss]

yeah, the slow cooker bug is because of improper limit defining causing the damage buff to apply globally

support fire's trigger is handled differently

[gloomy shuttle]

Alright

Any advice for next keepsakes ? Knowing I got the whole Hestia setup, and cast @magic moss

[magic moss]

for 50?

there is a ton of context i need to give you a good answer if its 50
If its low fear, idk Discordant Bell

[gloomy shuttle]

50

I'll screenshot my stuff

[analog scarab]

Hestia leg is just perfect for slow cooker. 5 ticks of damage per second and each tick amplifies separately.

[gloomy shuttle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1171486246703468615/1378430172583166064/image.png?ex=683c92a3&is=683b4123&hm=3bd47ac35e576a806feb692655a643dc717e8b7b4fb5cd248c7da05d9a92caff&

• Artemis boon that makes all dmg have 3% crit chance @magic moss

[analog scarab]

wait. i can't post image here

[gloomy shuttle]

Yeah you got to post somewhere else then copy the link

I'm thinking about fig leaf, or anything to upgrade my common boons as they're all good

Or Hera for goated dmg

[magic moss]

is this surface?

[gloomy shuttle]

Yes

16s remaining past Polyphemus

[magic moss]

so looking to enter into rift

i would either say heph and pray you get lucky with rift, fig leaf, or athena and pray you dont get scammed

[gloomy shuttle]

Chilling with sheeps rn

Hahaha

I guess mint condition or divine dash

Might as well go fig leaf. At least it should be consistent

Haha autowatchers 😁

NOOO I HAVE A TRIAL

[analog scarab]

When you have a lot of damage it can be faster than normal room.

[gloomy shuttle]

Not when having to dodge foe that strike the ground with an anchor over an area of ​​90 square kilometers

Here I go for my next attempt to brutally murder Eris

[analog scarab]

Just throw a cast at them and run through them. I had the exact same room, they burned up in a couple seconds.

[gloomy shuttle]

Yeah that was the idea

[analog scarab]

If you have enough fire

it's insane dmg

[gloomy shuttle]

I just need more experience in ordre to feel more comfortable doing it

Main problem rn is that there are some room layouts that I can't handle properly

Talking about Ephyra

[analog scarab]

I died a couple times because I mindlessly ran my face into the damage of some shooting mobs. Then I started running wisely and everything worked out )))))

[gloomy shuttle]

I feel like running wisely makes it too slow to clear

Might be a skill issue though. I'll try a couple more times

[round delta]

Anyone able to tell me if Sister Blades + Cardio Gain + Incandescent Aura (Hera + Hestia Duo) is a good combo?

My thought is that you can use up a bunch of magic quickly with the right stuff on omega special and then knives should get Incandescent Aura popping a whole bunch because of Cardio Gain.

Just tried this in a 33 fear run, but it was kind of late game when I got it set up and I couldn't tell if it was good or just all of the other boons putting in work 😅

[elfin forge]

I've never ran it but the math in my head is saying that it's not great? idk though

red cardio gain = 10 mp per swing
Incadescent aura = 500% of mp restored as damage
means its +50 damage per swing, capped at 5 tics per second so it's 250 dps

I suppose that isn't too bad tbh

but since Aura is already a %, does that mean it scales poorly with other buffs? idk

[neon grail]

Is the Apollo + Hera duo boon good?

Or at least ok

[woven idol]

Which Gain do I take for an omega-heavy build like Momus Staff? Ares or Hera? Maybe someone else's?

[magic moss]

Zeus, Hera, Hestia, and Aphro

[woven idol]

The Zeus magick regen boon is good?

[magic moss]

ye

[woven idol]

But dont you need to walk and claim the orb? Isnt that inconvenient?

[magic moss]

its a 100% mana refill, so you just need like 1-2 mana pots or even just hecuba and you should be set to go even at common ionic gain with proper omega cycling

[magic moss]

inconvenient yes but still passable for a gain

[woven idol]

Sure

What does pomming it do then if you regen 100%?

[magic moss]

note of warning, I'm only speaking about what is good on Momus since yknow thats what you asked, for things like Pan you really want born gain

Charon all but NEEDS Lucid Gain

[magic moss]

decreases time before it spawns again

[spare kite]

Cooldown of the orb

[woven idol]

Oh ok makes sense tysm

[magic moss]

i hate self advertising because it feels icky, but genuinely I would recommend watching some of my momus gameplay and see how I cycle omega moves

[woven idol]

Wait isnt Antler kinda busted with Mint Condition

[magic moss]

it makes a world of difference, especially on momus where I've seen the majority of people not maximizing their omegas

[woven idol]

Will do thanks !!

[magic moss]

yes, its a reason why anyfear runners take Heph's keepsake for surface speedruns simply because Mint Condition provides full safety to clear summit

[woven idol]

Being hyper aggressive and bashing in head first clears faster than taking a dps option but playing patiently huh

[spare kite]

Antler my love

[magic moss]

yeah, summit is especially true because most rooms are 1 wave rooms so on a high damage aspect like medea you can clear the encounter before mint condition ends lmfao

[woven idol]

I wonder why your server name has antler in it

Could never guess why

If you take Antler then next region you switch the keepsake, all the effects are gone right?

[magic moss]

you'll never guess what my favorite weapon is

[woven idol]

Argent Skull me thinks

[spare kite]

The keepsake only lasts one region no matter what

[woven idol]

Oo right

[spare kite]

https://youtu.be/hHVIqPxjosU funny

[woven idol]

What is this

[spare kite]

There's a reason arty isn't a core god, turns out x3 dmg is really good

[woven idol]

Why do they die like erebus enemies

[woven idol]

What artemis boon is used in this? The crit ones?

[spare kite]

No this is antler

[woven idol]

Ohhhh

[spare kite]

In specific cherished heirloom boosted (50% crit rate)

[woven idol]

Will you be heartbroken if sgg nerfs this

[spare kite]

I doubt they'll nerf the antler directly

I can see nerfs to the defensive options

[spare kite]

Especially by the hate it constantly hates in this discord outside of the speedrunner bubble

[woven idol]

They hate antler why? Too strong? I think a more sensible nerf is Mint Condition..

[spare kite]

"30 hp is too scary why would I use this"

[woven idol]

is it ok to call out skill issue in this case 🤐

[magic moss]

the average player is ass

[woven idol]

The first thing they do when they join this server is go to #h2-feedback and suggest Hades 1 double dashes back

I mean I almost did day 1 playing hades 2 but now I know better 🙏

[magic moss]

[frigid ore]

tbf it takes so incredibly long for the game to punish you for not actively trying to dodge (like at BARE minimum 40f) that it makes sense why most players cant dodge enough to use a broken keepsake that forces you to dodge

until incredibly high fear you kind of dont need to avoid getting hit by a lot of random enemies as long as you have wandering son and kill em fast

[magic moss]

sorry to say this, but the moment you clear 40F you can't really speak about the average player experience in good faith. I myself am guilty of this as well

not even a fifth of all players will ever clear 32F

[spare kite]

Also surface does make you eat trash if you try to monkey brain too much

[magic moss]

The majority of complaints on surface difficulty is Prometheus in frenzy 0 at even 0 fear

[spare kite]

An average player is not doing exactly what I mean but will get hit as much nonetheless

[woven idol]

Surface on fear filters alot of the players im afraid

[frigid ore]

what im saying is that the game doesnt make you care about dodging every single random enemy basically ever. and being like. 30hp is crazy for the average player because 1 hit can actually kill you there

the game usually just isnt bullet hell or precision or whatever

so ofc the average player goes hell no

[magic moss]

side note, i love fresh file runs

[woven idol]

Surprising grandpa day one never stops being funny

Sorry, night one

[frigid ore]

id do fresh file runs but unfortunately i just. dont like staff.

[magic moss]

heresy, blasphemy, traitor to the good word

[woven idol]

🫢

[magic moss]

BEGONE FROM THIS HOUSE

[frigid ore]

i like variety is all.

if fresh file wasnt just the most basic ass weapon ever…

[magic moss]

you take that back

[frigid ore]

nothing personal i just prefer axe and torches and skull

[woven idol]

Fair

[magic moss]

fair enough but also staff >>>>>>>

totally unbiased opinion frfr on god no cap i am a tier 4 beacon of honesty

[frigid ore]

i dont like the weapon that only attacks in a straight line and doesnt have a movement tool

[magic moss]

axe doesnt have a movement tool and either does the torches

torches is definition striaght line attacks 😭
staff is just unfairly hated on frfr
||I'm playing btw, nothing serious just want to make this clear so lmk if I'm going too far||

[frigid ore]

axe attacks 360 and torches specials do their thing

[magic moss]

staff can do 180 and an explosion tho 🔥

[frigid ore]

youre talking to an EOS lover here dont be calling torches a straight line those specials go everywhere its triple comet time

[magic moss]

eos
aint no way sis is saying eos > staff 😭

[frigid ore]

horrible aspect but very cool

[magic moss]

😭 momus is just better eos

[frigid ore]

i like aspects based around just filling the screen with some stupid crap and being very impractical

yeah mechanically sure but eos lets you fill the screen with rotating balls

[magic moss]

fair enough, but also eos 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[frigid ore]

if you get the apollo legendary you can spend even more magick to make TWO daybreakers and spew even more crap on the screen

kino

absolute cinema

[minor stump]

If you have Vow of Forfeit active and pick a boon that becomes an onion, is that boon's god added to your god pool for that run?

Or do you actually have to receive a boon from them?

[magic moss]

need to actually pick up a boon

[analog scarab]

Does Dionce's Bounce back work when scars are on?

[glossy forge]

yes

[analog scarab]

Damn, I passed.

[gloomy shuttle]

30L streak 🔥

[analog scarab]

Died three times in a row from the timer in the fight with Prometheus. It's so cool to penalize a player for the game not giving skips.

[gaunt canopy]

What timer level

[spare kite]

Or what was the rest of the pact

[analog scarab]

Max I'm trying to pass the 50 surface.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/810812561065902080/1378724709004480624/image.png?ex=683da4f2&is=683c5372&hm=6f2787f4e23dc7ee0bcad0c9b1650caa5ab14cc42789b19724d09dc54db4a261&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2279&height=1262

Athena and Artemis are in the same room. I didn't know that was even possible.

[tall notch]

Isn't that like true

[magic moss]

natural artemis and athena encounters are mutually exclusive, but artemis encounters doesnt have the flag that blocks the keepsake so athena can spawn in

[harsh glacier]

anyone else having unfathomably bad luck getting legendary boons?

[woeful moth]

Anyone here thinks that curse ability(turns you into a sheep) from elites should be removed? Or at least nerfed? With the bullet on screen I can't even notice it

[jolly swan]

#h2-feedback

Put it there if you feel like it.

[olive tusk]

i do most of my runs without legendaries

like vast majority

theres only like three good legendaries, you're better off gunning for duo boons

[still sonnet]

Yeah i find 99% of the time you don’t find a legendary if you’re not after it, and especially underworld since city makes it much easier to aim for legendaries or duos

[glossy forge]

There’s no arcana way to improve legendary odds, but know that tartarus, Olympus, and summit all share the highest legendary odds; I’d save my rolls for those

[olive tusk]

oh mr finelinetorches i believe i happened upon a build which would really appeal to you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1373376447908937829/image.png?ex=683d4dbd&is=683bfc3d&hm=ae354f4e0dd7c4df2df03e8320012ad61aeb55f0143d441a0299294c4690a926&

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1373385701764104286/image.png?ex=683d565b&is=683c04db&hm=b5bafab0b92bdaae2417be9140a1572e97a070ffbdc1041c10a1dc9552c786b3&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[still sonnet]

I think you overleveled born gain, iirc its like 12-13 it caps out lol (unless it was ransom boosted in which case continue on) but yeah all hail fine line torches, easy top 2 builds right there havent decided if its top build yet though

[stable herald]

lvl16 Born Gain with almost 600 magick is massive overkill, you couldn't run out if you tried

[spare kite]

Being mana based prob stops it from being the best lol

[olive tusk]

i believe i either did the duo boon or pom pom pom

[olive tusk]

oh yeah, i was faced with a true oppurtunity and i took it

[spare kite]

https://youtu.be/FMCMO-_KiBo but yeah really funny build

[still sonnet]

I need to do an antler run some day

[frigid ore]

i feel like my best odds for high fear is probably on either moros or than

than feels nice but my worry is just what ill do once i add wards and have to special every enemy or go through hell

[spare kite]

The helpful hera attack:

[analog scarab]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/810812561065902080/1378817682551607326/image.png?ex=683dfb88&is=683caa08&hm=5d2922bf8453640697210ced95796ba5f8e46c38c498bda063375327b1aa58d9&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=550&height=310

At this moment he realized... He f**d up.

[glossy forge]

vow of denial hardest vow confirmed

[spare kite]

Classic denial moment

[analog scarab]

I had an even dumber moment today. I accidentally took a white antler when I had 350 health and no damage blocking boons. I still made it to Typhon, went the whole way without getting hit, and then caught an egg in the head. An egg!

[gloomy shuttle]

I also just realised today that his eggs could hurt haha @analog scarab I feel you

[rotund nacelle]

That might be an oversight since other NPCs (Heracles, Icarus, Nemesis) have the flag

[magic moss]

100% an oversight

[iron ember]

i need help w/ fear 16 blades typhon

currently im using Scars (all), debt (all), menace (all), return (all), forfeit, and denial

i am getting my butt kicked. what am i doing wrong?

[elfin forge]

which blades

also not sure how you play but scars 3 is gonna be pretty brutal I feel, you really do miss healing

but maybe you're a much better player then me, idk

[iron ember]

lim and oros. i think that's the only blades

[elfin forge]

which aspect I mean

[iron ember]

ohhh. was using artemis but honestly i might go for melinoe or pan and go full wards instead of full scars

[elfin forge]

yeah wards isn't too bad for blades

might want to consider some other optiosn like frenzy 1, timer 1 or timer 2

shadow

[iron ember]

honestly im considering doing pan and zeus for the spark on hit thing

yeah i put on timer 1, might replace something else with frenzy

replacing forfeit w/ frenzy 1

[elfin forge]

I think mini posted a guide for Fear a while ago

yeah here it is https://www.reddit.com/r/Hades2/comments/1j84lrj/a_fundamentals_guide_to_high_fear_by_a_50_fear/

[iron ember]

taking hecuba

[elfin forge]

kind of a dense read but useful information there

[iron ember]

ty im gonna look at that

[royal ledge]

Does Hearty Appetite (Bonus damage per 100 max health) scale linearly in between 100s? Or does having 290 max health give the same +20% bonus as having 200 max health?

[elfin forge]

I think it's just every 100hp threshold?

worth testing though

[magic moss]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/13fga8OmJIp2a3pSwO7A50bWF0WMQDsjIIUnFQHtOWFE/edit?usp=sharing same writeup but in google docs format so its a bit easier to read

[elfin forge]

when you say to sacrifice swiftrunner for wayward son, is it worth losing Divinity as well?

[magic moss]

depends on how you fundamentally view the game

wayward son will give you ~200-250 hp by the end of the run, so do you prefer boon rarity or a ton of innate healing

both options are valid, just depends on what you value

[elfin forge]

hm I personally drop lovers so I can take Son + Huntress without losing the left column, but maybe I should try lovers sometime

[frigid ore]

also worth noting that extra boon rarity on higher fear (while still being good) comes with hubris so taking advantage of it requires being confident in your magick management

[elfin forge]

that is true

[frigid ore]

isnt really a downside thing just a thing to be aware of

since you should be managing that anyway

[royal ledge]

Also depends on your ability to avoid taking damage. That sounds obvious, but if you're not using the Vow of Scars, you may find the healing from fountains is more than sufficient. And losing Divinity can affect your ability to clear regions within five minutes, assuming you're running level three Vow of Time.

[magic moss]

This guide is made with the end goal of helping people push to fear levels beyond 32, such as 40 or 50 fear.

I made the thing with the assumption that Lovers outvalues Wayward eventually

[elfin forge]

very true

[frigid ore]

imo until scars 3 is on i always have wayward son on but of course it does lose its value after that

[magic moss]

i would hope that a healing focused arcana loses value when healing is disabled XD

[elfin forge]

lol

[frigid ore]

yeah lmao

[magic moss]

anyways im a high fear fraud now :))

[frigid ore]

vow of time is also a really weird vow

in that it is kind of free fear once you know what youre doing until high fear when it becomes exponentially more difficult with every additional point of fear around it

free fear until suddenly its the hardest vow in the game because of wards 2 and hordes 3 and return

[magic moss]

time eventually becomes free fear, hordes 3 is the real chokepoint

hordes 3 is the single biggest difficulty spike in the game

the only real multiplicative vow

[frigid ore]

youre saying with 45m you couldnt chip them out?

[royal ledge]

And Grit 3, and Forfeit, and Fangs, and Debt, and Menace...

[magic moss]

fair enough ig, im referring to a standard 50 setup

the difficulty spike between enabling timer 3 compared to hordes 3 is not close

[frigid ore]

yeah thats what i mean though. the hordes are horrible because you have 5m to deal with them. 50 minus timer surely must be manageable if done horrendously slow

being suuuuper careful and measured

[magic moss]

having infinite time doesnt prevent hordes from casuing other vows to really mess you over, especially fangs

a bad fangs room can kill you even with infinite time

[elfin forge]

woe sheepball upon ye

I feel like Spiller is especially big issue for me

[magic moss]

gimme a sec im pulling up that mynt clip

[elfin forge]

the dark clouds one

[magic moss]

https://youtu.be/veyxV_d-aFA?si=0CjcltytBded224Y

[elfin forge]

hades 2 is a serious game

[frigid ore]

charybdis if it locked tf in

i gotta say though thats a clever strategy why doesnt chronos just send out fifteen exploding guys with homing projectiles surrounded by orbs to jump us

sorry— why doesnt he usually

[magic moss]

because gamers would complain about difficulty and chronos has to fight the inevitable and unstoppable final boss steam negative reviews

[frigid ore]

idk what to say. you simply shouldve played better and had mint condition.

just iframe from dash

[simple turret]

man. i did 3 50 fear uw runs and I cant even beat 40 fear surface

its such a big jump

[elfin forge]

yeah if mynt just got gud that room would've been easy lol

[frigid ore]

personally, i won that interaction.

[elfin forge]

same

[iron ember]

tyyyy gonna try to finish all my fear stuff w/ this. i technically did 32 fear on both sides before the upd8, it's just lower now bc. of reasons?

[celest inlet]

is it just me or is the third boss on the surface way harder than underground?

[elfin forge]

surface overall is way harder

[frigid ore]

totally is yes prometheus is generally considered to be the hardest boss in the game

[celest inlet]

my best run thus far against him is getting him down to 30% health

[elfin forge]

yeah just comparing them one to one
Poly is harder then Hecate
Eris is usually harder then Scylla
Prometheus is harder then Cerb

(chronos is harder then surface final boss tbh)

[celest inlet]

Prometheus is harder than chronos

[elfin forge]

they both do got instakills

[celest inlet]

imo, to be fair it's just a skill issue

[frigid ore]

i disagree with hecate being easier than poly but yeah overall surface is way harder

[celest inlet]

I am doing it with 25 of the arcana points, im really struggling to get more of the psyche

[elfin forge]

yeah prom's problem is really not the instakills, its the really fast and nigh unreactable punches

[elfin forge]

yeah that last 5 Grasp are a slooooooog

[frigid ore]

going with frinos should make you more likely to run into the shades you can harvest for psyche

[celest inlet]

does it only go up to 30?

damn i didnt know that lol

[elfin forge]

180, 190, 200, 250, 300, 500 Psyche for the last couple

[celest inlet]

even though the game isn't finished yet, it's got quite a lot of content and I'm really enjoying it

[frigid ore]

the last point also costs 500 payche and also darkness and shadow because lmao point and laugh

[celest inlet]

yikes

[elfin forge]

I started paying Charon to deliver some Psyche lol

[celest inlet]

SAME LOL

[frigid ore]

i didnt. which is why i got 30 grasp on night like 90

[elfin forge]

80 psyche from Charon, 30-50 psyche for each Spirit

[celest inlet]

how do you check what night you're on?

[elfin forge]

main menu

[frigid ore]

says it in the save file selection

[celest inlet]

I got the chaos boon in one of my runs that give 90% chance for double resources

[bleak night]

[elfin forge]

hi mynt

it actually must have been ages ago since you've had to unlock cards

[bleak night]

Hiya

are we still update waiting room

[celest inlet]

i started playing the game last week, ive owned it since like september lol

[elfin forge]

surely tomorrow right

[celest inlet]

game seems at a point where it's worth playing now

[frigid ore]

hi mynt. i saw your video of getting blown up by all those messed up exploding homing projectile orbed monstrosities in oceanus earlier. riveting stuff

[celest inlet]

27 nights for me, turns out i have 27 grasp lol

[frigid ore]

personally if it was me, i wouldve gapped that. i wouldve adapted and overcame, but your thing was cool too

seriously though jesus christ fangs is horrifying

[frigid ore]

nice!

[autumn seal]

had the same thing here but with demeter, so i either have to give up my zeus special on torches or my magic gain boon 😭

[celest inlet]

i've been using the unbreal flames, im a big fan

[elfin forge]

pew pew pew pew

[celest inlet]

argent skull is fun too

my first win against chronos was with big axe 😔

[high canyon]

does knuckle bones stack additively or multiplicatively with strength?

like do you get 50% + 15% damage reduction, damage reduced to 35%, or do you get 50%* 85% damage reduction, damage reduced to ~42%

[glossy forge]

damage reduction is multiplicative per single source

the reason I word it that way is because weak's damage reduction is a single source, and aphrodite's secondary boon (broken resolve) that increases the potency of weak's damage reduction? yea that makes the single source of weak go from 30% to 40% damage reduction, so it's not a separate source of 10% damage reduction.

but yes you get 50% * 85% so damage reduced to 42%

[woeful moth]

KBM players, do you guys also lose track of the mouse cursor when playing high fear?

[gloomy shuttle]

Hahahaha

I play hades with a controler so I can't answer. Also on that note I wish we could configure aimassist more than none or crazy high

[woeful moth]

I have bright cursor enabled and I think it supposed to help with this issue but I still lose it every time :(

[gloomy shuttle]

I sometimes struggle with projectiles when my build has a lot of shiny effects

Maybe you can mess with luminosity ? @woeful moth

[woeful moth]

Does it mean brightness of a screen? Not sure that will help because I already sit in the dark room. I probably will switch back to the default cursor later to see if it becomes better. If not then I'll open an issue in feedback and pray.

[gloomy shuttle]

You could try to change brightness of a specific color in your graphic card/ monitor settings

Ofc way more annoying than to have an in game setting for it, but it could help you if you really struggle

[olive tusk]

heph's shield and mint condition can get help a lot

[late lantern]

Starting to feel like Knuckle Bone isn't that great as the last keepsake, since the challenge especially on surface is to survive the two minibosses rather than Typhon himself

[frigid ore]

yeah it only really applies for one chamber. if youre going to use a keepsake for combat in the last zone i typically use smth like hermes’

[gloomy shuttle]

Do you absolutely want defense or are you open to offensive options ?

I think that Medea's keepsake is very nice if playing on omegas, you could also consider lion fang

Teeth, onion for defense

[spare kite]

Antler

[frigid ore]

thank you user ISuggestAntler for suggesting antler

[spare kite]

Knucklebones mostly shines for summit when playing strength as there's not many defensive keepsakes available

15% of Typhon also skips him almost immediately to eggs 1

[analog scarab]

Yeah, I often think it would be nice to just give the player the option to give up the boon.

That would make sense storywise.

[late lantern]

Never paid attention to Medea and just realized that her keepsake is really OP

[gloomy shuttle]

S tier if you ask me

[spare kite]

Her keepsake is ok

+40% additive to only omegas after the dmg suffered trigger is met is like, solid

[gloomy shuttle]

You really often reach the requiered dmg until reaching last zone, except for very high fear

[timber pawn]

I think that firmly depends on the player, from my perspective as a speedrunner its basically a never-take. But I think even folks playing casually, especially if they use strength, may not take that much damage in a run

[magic moss]

i semifrequently take fleece

[timber pawn]

mostly high fear though right?

[magic moss]

ye

i did high fear, currently doing fresh file, only have anyfear left to do before ive dipped my toes into all the cats

[gloomy shuttle]

@magic moss do you have a tierlist of aspects somewhere ?

[magic moss]

nope, top 5 tho are medea pan thanatos momus and moros in no particular order outside of medea #1

[gloomy shuttle]

what would you build on medea ?

[magic moss]

Hera atk zeus special

i got hundreds of medea clears and vods on the sheet if you want

[analog scarab]

I personally don't like the skulls and the black coat and the Medea aspect is to me the clumsiest of all. Yes, the damage numbers are inflated, but that's purely a balancing issue that will likely be fixed.

[spare kite]

Lmao?

[iron ember]

im going for high fear torches. which aspect should i use?

im drawn to use moros but its always the most finicky stuff

[glossy forge]

Moros consistently clears 50 f uw with Hera start, so I suggest moros

[iron ember]

okay i did a poseidon start

[glossy forge]

The others do as well, but it’s easiest with moros

Oh

[iron ember]

also is 50 fear the highest? ill restart and get hera

[glossy forge]

55 is highest, 50 is 55 minus void

[iron ember]

void probably makes it fricken impossible lol

Has anyone ever cleared it on 55?

[glossy forge]

There’s been over 30 55 clears this patch, but in general yes it’s the hardest challenge in the game

[iron ember]

Once I get all of the testaments of night done and maybe a couple of the minor prophecies I'll try to do 50 for every weapon and then 55 for at least one of them

[glossy forge]

50 every weapon and then 55 is a leap in difficulty greater than 32 to 50, I cleared every aspect on 53 with judgement before even attempting 55

[iron ember]

I'll probably do that first then

[glossy forge]

Not saying you can’t do it tho, go for it if you find it fun

[iron ember]

I imagine it'll be ridiculously infuriating but I'm going to feel bad if I don't at least try

I should probably make lunch. Stupid human body with its stupid needs

[glossy forge]

If you do try, I suggest pan and resetting for trick knives in Erebus, or medea if you’re comfy with its play style. Medea was my first 55

[iron ember]

I'm getting acclimated to the higher fears and 16 was pretty challenging for me

Because I haven't done high fear in a long time and I hadn't really gotten good at maneuvering around enemies

[magic moss]

if 16 was a challenge i recommend you start at 32 all aspects then move to 40

[iron ember]

But I had the most insane build to kill Typhon . Like legitimately

[magic moss]

jumping from 16 to 50 or 55 is a death sentence

[glossy forge]

Nah they got it

[iron ember]

Oh yeah I'm going to go to 32 first. I know I did at least 2 32s before because I wanted the statues

[magic moss]

to be able to clear 50, your definition of low fear needs to be comfortably 32

[iron ember]

But I didn't do every testament of night. I'm doing that now. And I definitely want to take it gradually

[iron ember]

Based. Yeah that's fine

I'm at that part of the game where I'm starting to gain a lot more skill anyways. I was okay at the game before but now I have to work around some of the constraints of 16

[magic moss]

but when you do want to push 50, the sheet is always there as a resource

[iron ember]

Mostly it's about dodging things and spending my time between dodging Wesley

Wisely. I was going to say frugally but apparently instead I just spelled wisely wrong

[glossy forge]

Yea especially for some aspects, you have to do this almost optimally in Erebus or else you just lose to the timer, doubly so for 55

[iron ember]

I don't remember a lot from when I initially started playing Hades but I know that I primarily used high frenzy and timer

So I always go way faster than I need to? So hopefully I won't be too caught off guard

Hades 2 I mean

[glossy forge]

But yes it’s good advice to do all aspects 32 uw, then all aspects 32 surface, then I jumped into doing all aspects on 50 uw, then all aspects on 53 uw, mixed in a few 50 surface wins, and then started my 55 grind where I now have 7 55 uw clears and 3 55 surface clears

[iron ember]

Insane

[glossy forge]

Yes I never play without frenzy, it should be the default state if u want to progress at high fear

[iron ember]

Clinically deranged.

[iron ember]

I should probably be cranking it all the way up but I'm not doing that yet

It's just at one now

I put too much oil in the pan

Now I have to clean oil off a hot stove

Hestia is mad evidently /j

[glossy forge]

If your end goal is high fear, I truly suggest ripping off the bandaid now and only playing max frenzy from now on, but ofc you should play how you want to play

[frigid ore]

(admiringly, with appreciation in my heart) wow these people have something wrong with them

[iron ember]

Probably. I'm just terrified of the aquanids

I'm unfriendly one and they already Rush towards me

Sorry got to go

[spiral wadi]

max frenzy is surprisingly straightforward, it's when armored enemies get even more fast that get very annoying very quickly

[slate trench]

50F surface is too hard but 50F UW feels too easy now after grinding surface, im screwed

what did everyone clear surface 50F with for the first time?

[glossy forge]

I used mel blades, heroic Zeus special

[iron ember]

I was starting to use the phial on surface starts because of the fountain in the middle but

I mean that's not really an option anymore lol

[slate trench]

that was my closest yet but even when I have a really good run I always time out during Prom

takes so long for him to do the memory thing lol

[glossy forge]

Apparently I got clowned on for saying phial could be a 55 surface meta, I was going for heroic aphro special trick knives with mel blades, got the clear after a few hours of resetting

[glossy forge]

Mmmm sometimes it just comes down to your skip luck tbh

[iron ember]

Mfw

[glossy forge]

So dw I would not say it isn’t an option, but def not an option at less than 55 fear

[iron ember]

Do backstabs work with special? That sounds finicky to pull off

[glossy forge]

They do work yes, the blades deal +100% damage on return

[spare kite]

It even works on typhon

[iron ember]

Oh my God that's insane

So do you just use the non Omega special?

[magic moss]

or you can join me and play the better category fresh file :))

[iron ember]

Eris single-handedly ruining my life

[slate trench]

sounds rough lol I have still have nightmares of Hades I fresh file runs

can you get romantic spark on a fresh file?

[spare kite]

Zeus is not on night 1 iirc

[magic moss]

nope, you only have apollo pos dem hestia aphro

[spare kite]

Embrace the B.ball

[slate trench]

no zeus or hera sounds rough

[magic moss]

no

[spare kite]

*was gonna add
Or whatever mini cooks on FF

[iron ember]

okay so like. hera. what should i be doing with hera torches?

im not doing 50 im just doing 16 rn

[glossy forge]

born gain, hera attack are always great on any of the 3 torches

born gain first ofc

[iron ember]

if i can get born gain and poseidon attack would that be better?

[glossy forge]

definitely not, the omega attack deals too much damage. A % boost will deal more additional damage than poseidon's flat damage, not to mention that hitch is an excellent curse

[spare kite]

Any % attack, ideally hera

Rolling to get born gain and not deleting hera's atk is worth

[iron ember]

ok good 2 kno

[iron ember]

ok so i got born gain, the icarus boon which gives a 50 dmg explosion on omega hit but uses 10 extra mana, and the athena boon which casts spears on 3 enemies to deal 90 damage every 30 mana you spend

and also. i got hestia's burned ash boon that gives you like 5 mana per individual unit of ash

[glossy forge]

that's a great build, stack tons of magick with burnt offering

[iron ember]

i have 274 mana halfway through the rift

[glossy forge]

go for fine line from hera now if possible, it'll be a big dps boost

[iron ember]

yeah i saw that it looked insane

gonna try to get that

[glossy forge]

gl!

[iron ember]

omg i forgot to mention this but i also got the heph boon which adds 20% of your max magick to health

i did the funniest thing ever and whiffed the eris fight'

[indigo viper]

Run savior and amazing boon. :3

Especially on mana hungry weps like moros.

[glossy forge]

oh no did eris kill you

[iron ember]

yeah im awful at eris torches apparently

although staggeringly i got the exact same build afterwards. not the heph boons tho\

[glossy forge]

ya torches take some time getting used to, they're the most "charge-up reliant" of all the weapons

so they can be rough against the fast bosses if you don't have their attack patterns down

[iron ember]

eris' whole deal is beyond my scope apparently. what do u do when her back is up against a wall/oil?

just run?

[glossy forge]

if she's pressed against the wall that close, so that you can't dash around her effectively to avoid her attacks, then just hide behind the nearest pillar

[iron ember]

fairr. ty

[errant latch]

trying my hand at 32f surface again...
thinking of panseidon blades, possibly like so:
hera atk, pos special, dem cast, pos dash, hera gain
and the following vow setup:
wards 2, frenzy 2, menace 2, return 2, fangs 2, debt 2, shadow, forfeit, time 2, hubris 2 and denial
considering taking pain or scars instead of a debt idk

finally with regards to arcana I kinda want to put on artificer, sacrificing sorceress, if only to make thessaly be slightly useful

[glossy forge]

i'd take scars 2 instead of debt, debt is a trap on the surface because you can stack up so many goodies from hermes shrines

[glossy forge]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzMsMCwyLDYsMCwzLDAsNSwxLDAsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDJd

This is the fear setup I recommend for 32f surface, except swap out wards for return on aspects like Charon

[iron ember]

alright so the next stop is black coat 16f

immmm thinking either hera or poseidon again just on account of it being a fast hitting low damage weapon

wiiiiith. maybe nyx's aspect?

well depending on how i use it its either going to be high or low magick

[analog scarab]

Romantic Spark + Zeus on special = easy clear 50 on any torches. Instant blitz activation + 80% extra damage is insanely strong. After that you just collect any defense effects you find.

[iron ember]

yeah so what about uhhh. black coat?

im gonna need to look up what romantic spark is because ive forgotten. i did beat the torches tho

[elfin forge]

sprint into a blitzed enemy to detonate the blitz, for +80% damage on that blitz

[iron ember]

tight ty

[analog scarab]

I don't like this weapon. I don't play it at all.

[iron ember]

well i still need to do the testaments for it

i prefer mel's aspect for it tho

[errant latch]

AAAAAAAAA I died on the dang tail

[iron ember]

no but seriously whats the boon and aspect for black coat anyhow

[elfin forge]

you can probably just get away with ares attack zeus special or something

for aspect most people stick to Mel

[iron ember]

ty

[elfin forge]

or maybe you flip them, zeus attack ares special, idk

[analog scarab]

If weapon sucks, use Zeus. I once took a duo of Ares and Zeus while finding Apollo's epic light smite.
The light smite did about 300,000 damage. This combo does a great job of clearing rooms no matter what weapon you use.

[elfin forge]

if weapon, use zeus

[analog scarab]

s u c k s

[elfin forge]

nah

just if weapon

[glossy forge]

if weapon on 50 f or less, use zeus *

[analog scarab]

I'm guessing there's some kind of filter.

[elfin forge]

zeus is just the best god at the moment for damage

[glossy forge]

filter?

[elfin forge]

pretty sure you can even make Zeus Pan work

winning formula for any weapon is basically:
Zeus + another god for attack/special
Heph Gain if you don't need magic, and get static shock
Demeter cast
Level up your Blitz
Go get some good duos or something, or not, idc

you can combo with hera, aphro, apollo, ares, whatever, just make sure you get origination somewhere in there

[analog scarab]

I wrote if the weapon "is weak", use Zeus.
I gather from your messages that the word has disappeared.

[glossy forge]

After I pick up a zeus boon and if I see heph but he doesn't offer mint condition on the first try, I've recently been going for heph core in ephyra and rolling a door for more heph, spending 1 or two rolls on a door for heph (along with two heph boons denied) is more efficient than multiple rolls for mint condition. Plus, the heph core leads into master conductor, which can be a massive damage boost late game.

TLDR: heph core, like sprint or gain, can be the play for future master conductor and easier mint condition

[glossy forge]

it was more of a joke, but i'd agree with you in general, the weaker weapons use zeus. the stronger ones have more effective builds.

[elfin forge]

man I wish master conductor was Zeus' legendary

it would be so... balanced...

[analog scarab]

ok...

[elfin forge]

what's like, hyper optimal for Moros torches?

[frigid ore]

iirc ares on attack zeus on special correct me if im wrong

could be hera on attack with wards on but i forget if thats necessary (+ it allows born gain without dipping into another god)

[analog scarab]

just zeus on special and romantic spark, lmao

Once you get it, just run around spinning the omega special. Yeah it'll be a little worse than Mel's torches, but still the best way.

[frigid ore]

damn its worth dropping origination for?

[analog scarab]

You can get origination through a sprint or mana effect of Aphrodite.

You literally only need 3 boons. Zeus' special, aphrodite's mana and then duo

[iron ember]

okay so like i need some like better direction as to the 16f black coat

because i didnt find the ares attack/zeus special or zeus attack/ares special to be particularly uhhh good

[elfin forge]

what were you missing?

aoe or damage?

[glossy forge]

high rarity poseidon attack is also quite good, and you can aim for the poseidon-ares duo, and grievous blow after ares special

dash striking tends to be safe and fast, maybe pick up divine dash in thessaly after poseidon in ephyra

[iron ember]

kind of both. if i stood still to get aoe with the special omega i WOULD get hit

it was slow damage anyhow and it left me open for too long

[elfin forge]

the goal of Coat most of the time is to mash attack and special at the same time

alternatively, you can focus on hit and run, dash striking

special doesn't do much damage, but you can use it to apply debuffs while continuing to attack

[iron ember]

ares isnt particularly good for rushing people on its own tho is it

not that im criticizing you but it has a 3 second timer and a low % of damage

[spare kite]

If you are going ares generally you wanna get grievous blow asap

Or a bit more high roll is his duo with zeus + Apollo's vengeance

[iron ember]

ok so ill go for grievous blow on ares

[elfin forge]

hm I'd probably say ares attack is the play, and zeus special?

for add encounters, you use normal special to apply blitz around, then you punch them all with ares

ares timer is individual per enemy, so you can punch them, do big damage, and move on

so Ares can be surprisingly good for add encounters

I find that Black Coat omegas are kind of niche, and you can get by just fine with no omegas

[iron ember]

using special and attack at the same time is weird but its woking

yeaah. i wasnt expecting that but that works

lot faster, too

[elfin forge]

the nice thing about ares is that you'll find you just oneshot a lot of basic enemies lol

oh unless you have wards on, then its a bit more of a problem

probably wear away at wards using special and maybe omega special

[spare kite]

Static shock too

[elfin forge]

yeah

[woeful moth]

The possed array on skulls is unreal

[elfin forge]

correct

[woeful moth]

I did almost 600k dmg with it and that's wuthout any omega buff from demeter, ares and hera

[elfin forge]

attack does 40 damage, omega attack is 150 damage
Most % buffs will also benefit oattack as well

so it's basically like +300% damage

[loud moat]

What’s the full story on Slow Cooker? Does it buff up Olympian damage as well? Have seen that the infusion boosts Fire Walk but also saw it can boost Static Shock as well.

[spare kite]

It boosts basically everything afaik

[elfin forge]

wait everything gets power?
Whats the most busted thing that can arise from this?

[magic moss]

@loud moat @elfin forge https://youtu.be/CnefNY1TMH0?si=xfPRgjyQRcI2feat see the pinned comment where I explained it. TLDR I discovered that Slow Cooker due to (presumably) a code oversight buffs GLOBAL power, so anything that deals an instance of damage from Mel gets the power

[spare kite]

Raki% finally viable

[elfin forge]

what's the fastest hitting, low damage option in the game

[spare kite]

Oh wait just from mel lol lmao

Idk prob gusts?

[magic moss]

my testing showed glorious disaster

cuz its storm ring + prom flare + the duo itself, all 3 get buffed

[elfin forge]

combo with thunder rush my god the value

wait demeter procs faster(every 0.25 seconds) vs zeus(every 0.35 seconds)

[royal ledge]

Lunar Ray?

[warm rivet]

Is attack speed capped? Had a run with 800% attack speed but it didnt feel like i attacked 8 times as fast, maybe thrice as fast but not more. The movementspeed definitely was 800% i felt that lol

[glossy forge]

I don't have a rigorous number for you, but attack speed is capped by animation speed, so it can only go so fast

[elfin forge]

why can't we speed it up so it becomes 1frame eventually

gimme an autoclicker and a good time

[warm rivet]

Would be cool

[elfin forge]

or at least let me know when I hit the cap lol

[warm rivet]

So with double strike hammer it is even slower?

[glossy forge]

hmmm mirrored thrasher has a different animation, so afaik the speed would be faster with mirrored thrasher if you hit the animation speed cap

[warm rivet]

kk

ty

Yesterday three runs 9 hammers not once did i get that hammer

When hammer rerolls

[glossy forge]

shhhh, you'll get dogpiled for saying such heresy (i'm a big fan of this)

[warm rivet]

Or bribing icarus only to make specific ones for us

[analog scarab]

You can call me crazy, but if it weren't for the huge base damage and mana problems in the first rooms, 55 surface with torches would be passable. You just need to live up to romance spark and 1 defense boon.
I managed to take a zeus special in the second room once, then summon athena in the first room in town, thanks to that I got divine dash and aphrodite's attack(unfortunately not mana regen) for practically free, then meet hercules, but unfortunately I couldn't find the Zeus and Aphrodite duo and without that there just isn't enough damage to make it in time.

And there's the main problem - now to get that great start again you have to restart the game for hours...

[slate trench]

please lol give us 1 hammer reroll per run but make it cost a decent chunk of grasp or need to equip a keepsake or something

[glossy forge]

Ya this is the one flaw, and tbh it’s not worth resetting for because there’s other strong builds with born gain that just need survivability to clear. There’s a threshold where it’s worth resetting for a specific ephyra setup (heroic aphro special trick knives e.g.) and idt romspark meets that threshold

[analog scarab]

No, the problem isn't exactly the romantic spark - that duo does just insane damage. It's getting it with torches at 55. It's just that basic torches are so weak that you spend too much time clearing the first rooms.

[glossy forge]

At 55 fear, Zeus is worthless as a main dps source even at heroic. Romspark on a rare Zeus special (upgraded with the keepsake) is slightly better than a heroic Zeus special, so it’s also worthless as a main dps source bc you have to reset so much for it and it’s just marginally better than something worthless

Like I should know, I got a heroic zeus special via phial on my medea 55 surface run, and a heroic aphro special would have dealt almost 3 times the damage blitz did

[analog scarab]

I don't know what you're talking about. I've never dealt as much damage from just three boon as Romantic Spark gave me on my run on 50 fear. It was so strong that I passed 50 surface on my first try and the run seemed pretty easy. Compared to trying to play through the attack - felt like cheating.

[spare kite]

55f loses the 100% global buff from arcana no

[glossy forge]

Blitz is by far the best dps for 50 fear, and the worst dps for 55 because you lose all the global damage that makes blitz good in the first place

Stuff from 50 fear does not directly translate to 55 fear

[analog scarab]

We could do a test. With the help of mods make a perfect start and check if the damage is enough.

[glossy forge]

I don’t want to rain on your parade though, feel free to prove me wrong and go for some 55 runs starring blitz 🫡

[analog scarab]

I got to Olympus and went through most of it, but ended up dying in a room with a bunch of mana-sucking and armored satyrs....
I didn't have any global damage. Zeus's rare special, Aphrodite's mana regen, Spark, double strike, a success rate, and Icarus's gift of explosions on the special (which was the reason I was left with no mana). There was also no way to get rid of armor, so I lost a lot of time on Argonaut and Dragons. But overall, it worked.

I definitely lack the skills to play 55 fear....

But someone else could do it.

damage is enough.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/810812561065902080/1379466108440154226/image.png?ex=6840576d&is=683f05ed&hm=1d158da528915d593c49a8dc8437aeda2a045acc273267daf6421296f1cef6dc&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=550&height=311

[tribal stream]

Now THIS is what I call a movement speed buff (the fight was so chaotic due to this i nearly died lmao)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/830621933824376862/1379480802659799192/20250603-1523-58.6094572.mp4?ex=6840651c&is=683f139c&hm=037956375626dc5302d06413dbc1a0ebd5f3f7612a13b4794285933b5327540b&

[indigo viper]

I really like how all axe and skull aspects' have different (even by little bit) playstyle.

[gloomy shuttle]

hey guys what gods are good with hestias leg+slow cooker ?

@magic moss

[magic moss]

why am i getting pinged

[gloomy shuttle]

you said to hit you up anytime in this channel when having questions

If it's a problem for you let me know

[magic moss]

i meant it moreso for high fear instead of miscellaneous build questions like this but sure

do some critical thinking for me rn, what gods do you think are good for slow cooker builds

[gloomy shuttle]

I am playing surface 40, high or not regarding your standards

heph and origination

[magic moss]

anything >32 for surface is high fear so sure

[magic moss]

ok but why heph, any other gods potenially?

[gloomy shuttle]

depends if I'm interested in stacking fire and that's all, or want some variety/defense

Zeus atk/spec seems fine as it should proc easily, already have Demeter as she was in the shop and was an opportunity to turn origination on

[magic moss]

ok question then, if you're going for this kind of build then why play for hestia fire walk + slow cooker specifically

[gloomy shuttle]

maybe aphro for global dmg

[gloomy shuttle]

except if I'm mistaken, origination will work with fire walk damage. So usefull for bosses

[magic moss]

the reason i ask this is because in high fear, build identity matters a ton. What is your end game win condition

if its the weapon itself, then sure origination is fine

If its a specific duo or legendary, how can you make it as buffed as possible (eg. Freezer burn wants high leveled scorch application, so poms might be more valuable than boons, Exceptional Talent might want Weedkiller over like a special boon for example)

in the case of Fire Walk + Slow Cooker, which you had specified, you just listed to be Zeus Dem Aphro, 3 gods that have 0 fire

yes they proc origination, but they don't work towards your endgame. What about Apollo? Daze is a curse and he has fire. Hera also has fire, a curse, and good buffing boons like Extended Family

if you're playing low fear, then yes you can opt into the other gods and still be fine. However, you need to be able to identify your win con and learn to play and build around it to succeed consistently in high fear. You can't half ass a build and expect it to work until you get really good, like Mynt or herro levels of good

[gloomy shuttle]

I will take it more in consideration, especially regarding the main win cond. I'm more used to kind of going for what I like, even though it might not me optimised

In particular when handling shops, as I didn't mean to take Demeter for example, but I got her in shop and she seemed at least fine short-term + allowing me to save time.
Got the general idea regarding pool and what to force with keepsakes, thank you

[dim kelp]

Just watching this clip of you running with nothing else on screen made me a little motion sick. Blood drops kinda scare me for that reason

[tribal stream]

It's insane when they start stacking with the hera duo for sure

[iron ember]

oh btw what is the best aspect for mel skull

i tried hera and the array thing but i think im absolutely terrible with it because i kept trying to position all the omega attack skulls over each other and it didnt end well pretty much ever

[magic moss]

best aspect for the skull or the best god, because mel skull is what we refer to the aspect of melinoe

[iron ember]

best god i mean

[magic moss]

prob hera still

[iron ember]

i hate you dyno

anyways i am not doing well with mel skull hera rn 20f

[magic moss]

mel skull is one of those aspects where aspect mastery matters more than build

[iron ember]

yeah i guess i need to look at some tips or something

[magic moss]

i have a boonless mel skulls clear from the hyperbuff patch if u want to watch

[iron ember]

i would watch that

[iron ember]

seems to be a lot of skull m1 spamming, cast utilization, specials with very large groups, positioning. watching a 50 fear uw mel skull run

[magic moss]

https://youtu.be/GxCZvc-EoUk

[iron ember]

i dont think ive seen them use their special once

[magic moss]

you might be watching an older vod, you want to be using specials now since it has magnet properties

[elfin forge]

I'm watching a video of Mynt using Mel Skull at 55f

this weapon looks like a crime

[iron ember]

i mean this one

[elfin forge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJDV5rZvcDU

[magic moss]

oh were u watching that one

[iron ember]

yes

[magic moss]

that me, i use specials quite often just in super short ranges

[iron ember]

i havent seen them use special yet

oh thatrs you. okay so just the normal special gotrcha

[magic moss]

think of the special as kind of like a reload or movement option rather than a damage option

[elfin forge]

lmaooooo

[iron ember]

okay real ill do that

[magic moss]

ye omega special is really bad on mel skull also lmfao

yeah i clown around here a ton but also im one of the high fear old guards

[iron ember]

ping me if youre talking more, im gonna play now

[elfin forge]

yeah you don't really need omegas for mel skull. You can use Oattack for spawncamping, but that's more for optimization, not required

shoot x5, special, just don't forget that special doesn't have iframes

[magic moss]

x4 not x5

[iron ember]

frick lol

[iron ember]

@magic moss so im jumping from 20 to 32 fear. gonna start w/ moonstone axe on surface. any tips? just got my face kicked in by our resident shepard

[magic moss]

i just got double pinged

[glossy forge]

ping ping

[glossy forge]

have another

Yes, haha!

[iron ember]

4x, not 3x

(ping)

[magic moss]

General high fear guide: https://docs.google.com/document/d/13fga8OmJIp2a3pSwO7A50bWF0WMQDsjIIUnFQHtOWFE/edit?usp=sharing

Mynt's high fear surface guide: https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1j7ktcd/a_50_fear_runners_guide_to_dismantling_high_fear/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[iron ember]

ok i was def following that

ye u dont need to bother w/ me im just getting hit like a little freak and then crying about it. probably gonna crank time all the way up

bite that bullet before it shoots me

[glossy forge]

If you're having trouble locking in an efficient playstyle, i recommend going to the sheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit?gid=1617442120#gid=1617442120) and briefly watching the vods on the axe aspect you're using

[iron ember]

ok thx ill look into that if i whiff it on ephyra again

[iron ember]

lol i am terrible at this

okay so when should i be using the omega attack with thanatos?

[frigid ore]

good time is between waves. you know where enemies will spawn and you cant hit them yet so you may as well drop a cast and position yourself to try to shred them

[iron ember]

real

thank you princess fox. say hi to princess falco for me. idk i didnt play starfox

[frigid ore]

neither did i but uh. ill go tell any smash players i know?

[uneven palm]

You can try Eternity with Thanatos. Slows things down, gives you more windows to charge. Here’s the last 50f Thanatos surface run I did if you wanna see how it handles https://youtu.be/aZLzzv6REmc?si=I5uArxp6hyDYOJne

[iron ember]

how does eternity work exactly?

i read the tooltip but it was in one ear out the other

okay it triggers from omega cast damage and slows things down

[spare kite]

is while channeling any omega move

[iron ember]

wuh

is what?

[spare kite]

the slow down I mean

you get slow down while channeling omega moves

[iron ember]

ANY omega moves ever?

[uneven palm]

Yes, slows everything down while channeling any Omega

[iron ember]

wait. eternity

i thought you were saying mortality

[spare kite]

oh lmfao

[iron ember]

its just the slow down arcana

yeah okay i decided to try out 50 for funsies lets see how fast i die

[frigid ore]

my guess is 5m

because erebus is 5m on timer and hordes 3 wards 2

[iron ember]

oh no i died sooner

[frigid ore]

🫵 got hit

[iron ember]

yeah im really bad at dodging on 50 fear. and 32 fear

and uhhh 20 fear for that matter

[uneven palm]

Eternity helps! (It’s a slept on Arcana IMO)

[frigid ore]

where should i go from after 40f if i intend to make my way to 50? im missing hordes grit void wards and scars 3

my thought is to slap on hordes 3 grit 3 now, make it 46, and leave the final step to 50 as wards and healing truly off. but also i could bite the bullet and turn off healing now

@magic moss youre the only 50f runner online so im gonna ping you for advice if thats aight

[magic moss]

i would recommend scars 3 to train your dodging skills as much as possible

you could also crank it up to 48 with scars 2

[frigid ore]

i have scars 2 on

or do you mean like, wards on

[magic moss]

is scars 3 2 fear or 3fear

[frigid ore]

2 fear iirc

1/1/2

same as pain

ultimately whats left is scars 3, hordes, grit, and wards. hordes is hell but i have to turn it on eventually. grit is better than wards. thats why i think those two need to go on next run

[magic moss]

ok

[iron ember]

ok did a 32f clear on surface w/ thanatos

im gonna do it with every other weapon then move to 40

i think im gonna do a poseidon/hestia black coat run

nvm its revaal's skull

[elfin forge]

how do you guys rank hermes boons

[glossy forge]

Idk if there’s a serious ranking to be had, it’s so situation-dependent which of his boons you want

[stable herald]

Winner's Circle is my most-taken boon overall but that's just because of how I play

Success Rate is godtier if you have the right chance-based boons like Grievous Blow

the rest are mostly "hell yeah I'll take that, sure" especially if they're epic. his worst boon might genuinely be his legendary lol

[glossy forge]

His best boon might be his legendary wdym 😭 it’s so rare but it’s so strong at high fear

[past salmon]

Hermes legendary is pretty nutty it just feelsbad cuz it makes you broke

[glossy forge]

Just don’t take damage 🥱

[past salmon]

real

but then the boon is bad cuz it didnt do anything fr
Same reason why trusty shield and mint condition are bad

[slate trench]

What does everyone prefer for a defensive god with max vow of scars on? Demeter or heph?

[worn oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

If you are only limited to one, Heph boons. But if you are able to do the “usual suspects” god pool of Hera/Zeus/Dem/Heph then might as well aim to get Snow Queen and then Heph’s defensive boons (Trusty Shield, Mint Condition)

[glossy forge]

As much as I love snow queen, mint condition can straight up save you from nasty perks combos and bad room rng, so I prioritize mint condition then snow queen then trusty shield

[atomic ibex]

Demeter is more useful if you also need origination. Otherwise, prioritize Heph first

[tall notch]

Does Demeter still let you heal through scars by picking up resources?

[frigid ore]

yep

[dim kelp]

Is the rule that percentage-based HP recovery works through scars but flat healing amounts don’t?

[spare kite]

No, vampiric cross works too

[dim kelp]

The wiki says that vampiric cataclysm doesn’t benefit from the old herbal remedy heal buff either

So that might be a weird exception that just doesn’t obey any healing modifiers?

[tall notch]

There's like no rule, it's so inconsistent what works and what won't 😭

Like some of the items in shop will work, some won't

[mint lotus]

Is there a optimal way to get 0 cd on hefestus atack or close to it? I wanna try to make a run with his boon

[dim kelp]

Do you know if the wiki is accurate in what works? I’ve only played with scars 2, so I didn’t pay that close attention to what all was doing reduced healing

[tall notch]

I would reckon start heph attack, specifically get it common, take no other common boons and only pom attack, and then use phial keepsake in oceanus?

[dim kelp]

Rarify and try to pick non-pommable boons I guess? You could also try rolling doors for Poms instead of boons

[tall notch]

No clue

[tall notch]

If you don't rarify you can aim for heroic

[dim kelp]

I like using phial to get a heroic, but I swear every time I specifically pick a common boon with the intention of heroifying it, I end up forced to take another common boon

[tall notch]

Then idk just don't get forced to take another common, it's that easy 👍

[dim kelp]

I guess if you try to hold off on getting the attack until you’re almost done with the region, then you’ll know whether you have other commons. That would only work on the surface tho

[tall notch]

Can miniboss give commons?

If so, you could start with some rarified boon and aim for mid boss Heph attack

[dim kelp]

That’s a good question. I feel like maybe I’ve seen a common occasionally, but I’m not 100% sure

[tall notch]

Then it's pretty easy to avoid a boon for the rest of a region

[dim kelp]

I suppose you could force commons with a chaos curse, but that would really be a lot to line up

[magic moss]

heph blast effects are hard capped to 2s

[dim kelp]

Somewhat relatedly, the wiki claims that Grand Caldera will re-clang up to 10 times, even though the boon description says nothing about extra clangs. Does anyone know if that’s accurate, and if so, what conditions trigger the additional clangs?

I tried one of the chaos trials that starts you with a bunch of clang boons and took grand caldera, and I wasn’t seeing any obvious repeat procs, but I don’t know for sure that it doesn’t

It seems like a strange thing to be omitted from the boon description

[slate trench]

my favorite is when you accidentally open your current boon list mid combat and then die on an otherwise amazing run because you suddenly couldn't move

why does that not pause the game lol

[elfin forge]

why did you open your boon list

[slate trench]

read: accident

[errant latch]

why is that even available, thought it would be blocked like opening codex

[stable herald]

I've never seen Grand Caldera give me extra clangs any time I've used it, and I've never heard of anybody else getting extra clangs from Grand Caldera. I suspect the wiki is tripping balls

[dim kelp]

It’s weirdly consistently tripping balls if so. The thing about repeated clangs appears in multiple places. But it does seem kind of insane as a hidden property

Now I’m curious about the edit history

[atomic ibex]

It's not retriggering, it is just creating a bigger aoe

It makes a bigger aoe by creating 10 small blasts at the edges. An enemy can still only be affected by one though

[willow phoenix]

It's not exactly reclangs, it doesn't trigger blast multiple times like chain reaction. It's more of commenting on how blast spreads afaik

The way blast works is that it is triggered in an AoE around the unit that is hit by the blast move. So any unit near the original unit hit will be hit by blast. This blast appear as a hammer effect with a clang sound

But if you use grand caldera, what you'll notice is that sometimes there are multiple clang sounds and multiple hammers from a single blast. Grand Caldera increases the size of blast, but it's not achieved with increasing the original blast radius, it instead causes multiple blast effect to appear to cover the increased blast aoe if there's enemy in them. Multiple blast from this can't hit the same enemy, it's only there for visuals

You can test this with hitting an enemy with blast and if there's another enemy at the end of the blast aoe with grand caldera, there will be another hammer appearing there hitting that enemy

But honestly I'm not sure if the multiple clangs thing is limited to grand caldera because I'm pretty sure I've had it without it. I guess Grand Caldera just makes it easier to appear with the larger aoe

So not really a retriggering blast mechanic, it's more of a weird way sgg implemented blast aoe

[warm rivet]

Love it. Vulcanic strike cooldown on 2 seconds and it deals 500 dmg. I

With hestia heph duo boon its gonna get even crazier

[brave dove]

alright I think I'm going to have actually get good and learn an aspect properly rather than just picking whatever has dark thirst and yoloing it to get the 32f surface clear, sell me on your favourite aspects (just... not torches) pls

[glossy forge]

My favorite aspect right now is Artemis blades. It doesn't need Trick Knives for a huge power boost, you can get Wicked Onslaught, Skulking Onslaught, and Final Slice, in that order of priority. And best of all, you can directly reduce the number of times stupid perk rng kills you, since you walk into each encounter with a parry ready to go. I love the parry mechanic.

[brave dove]

which row/column do you run for divinity?

I always feel a bit weird about eternity because it eats time

[glossy forge]

For Surface, 90% of the time I run this setup:

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcaneDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImM2IiwiYzciLCJjMTEiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTYiLCJjMTciLCJjMjAiLCJjMjEiLCJjMjIiLCJjMjMiLCJjMjQiXQ==

[brave dove]

huh no huntress?

though I suppose persistence's magicka gets super useful with hubris...

[glossy forge]

Oh I usually swap persistence for huntress yea, it's up to you if you want to take that extra damage in exchange for less hp

[brave dove]

I guess persistence + frinos or huntress + hecuba?

[glossy forge]

Ngl for artemis I almost always run pure attack builds, never magick-reliant ones

And I never take frinos over gale

[brave dove]

yeah but you need higher than base magicka to avoid getting zeroed out by hubris and keeping huntress active, no?

• parries

[glossy forge]

if it happens it happens, +50% damage is great but not vital, you can keep it in mind for your build but if you stack a bunch of excellent epic boons, that's more than worth the huntress buff. Huntress is primarily an early game dps spike, helps you get through ephyra

[brave dove]

fair, ye

[glossy forge]

Also parries can be done even with all your magic primed

which is why I love artemis, I would not enjoy it otherwise

If you want high quality artemis gameplay as a reference, here's my damageless 50f surface artemis run: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Lp_SiCz0EQ

[warm rivet]

Its just stupid at this point. Have like 5 duo boons (3 useless but just for the sake of having them) and i have grand caldera on heroic level 10

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/689414199020879893/1379944889118101654/IMG_5323.jpg?ex=68421553&is=6840c3d3&hm=b48667d6fe2186be711f08a5465202e6d9ba95e0a8d36be4d1c89a26b8e965ff&

1,4k dmg x2 per hit

Killed typhon in slightly more than a min. Wasn’t expecting heph to get such insane dps.

Eris really bullied mz bc attacks took to long to proc

[swift sedge]

is there a guide or spreadsheet with each aspect and their most effective builds? i've cleared uw and surface a few times but have no idea what i'm doing

[brave dove]

depends a lot on what you're doing - speedrunning? high fear? both?

[swift sedge]

like just trying to clear on low fear

[magic moss]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit?usp=sharing this is probably your best bet

any build that worked in high fear can work in low fear

[brave dove]

strength arcana, reroll corner, chase centaur hearts you'll be good

[jagged fiber]

Fellas, question. Which weapon (aspect) clears the underworld the quickest and which tends to clear the slowest? Or are they all largely the same?

[magic moss]

fastest: medea and its not even close
slowest: probably selene

[jagged fiber]

Yeah as much as i didnt enjoy the medea play style, it cleared through typhon in maybe two minutes. Thanks for the input

[brave dove]

wait selene slower than nyx?

[royal ledge]

Absolutely. It takes time to charge Sky Fall, and an investment into paths of stars to turn Sky Fall into a powerhouse. With Nyx, you don't need to worry about the coat's subpar omega moves, your magic is just spent on maintaining the nightspawn buff, which is a noticeable damage buff against groups of enemies.

I like the Aspect of Nyx a lot.

I just wish the split-off attacks benefited from boons.

[timber pawn]

Eos is slower than coat imo

[magic moss]

i think eos is a bit better because you can more consistently proc blitz spam and do RS easier

[glossy forge]

coat has a higher any fear ceiling, with static shock + electric overload + master conductor

[timber pawn]

I agree if we're looking at fastest posted times I'm pretty sure selene beats eos

[manic mantle]

what is the best weapon for a all together run??

and arcana setup

[brave dove]

hera? honestly anything, she's great on more or less every weapon and aspect

[willow phoenix]

Honestly what's the point of min maxing if you're just doing a legendary run, it's not like Hera's legendary has a mechanic that only plays well with certain aspects

[glass orchid]

i hate how inconsistent heat rush is!! im the nr 1 heat rush hater

(lmk if my salt is not appropriate in this server and ill tone it down)

[bleak night]

Yeah it sucks

[tall notch]

Selene's aspect is pretty weak but it's still a coat so you can do good damage using its base moveset

I don't think my 50f Selene even tried using the aspect

[glossy forge]

@brave dove

I did every aspect on 32F underworld and surface (making sure to thoroughly learn each boss's patterns), then dove right into doing every aspect on 50F underworld. This path is definitely available. My first 50F took dozens of attempts, and each one after that took less and less.

There is no debate about scars for 50F; rather, the debate is hordes 3 void 0, or judgement with hordes 0 void 3. This is because top-end runners take gale and rarely take damage, so they don't need much healing over the course of a run. On the other hand, hordes 3 is a massive boost to the timer difficulty and forces you to play dangerously optimal in Erebus, and it can directly create impossible perks patterns or swarm the encounter with a billion enemies with nowhere to dodge.

If you plan to move onto higher fears, like 53F all aspects or 55F on some aspects, I really recommend keeping hordes 3 because it forces you to git gud. If you're just trying to get a 50F win, judgement with hordes 0 void 3 (you start with 6 grasp) is generally considered slightly easier than a normal 50F run, because most of the bs that ends your run will happen in the regular encounters. Bosses should rarely be ending your runs (and to that end, I ALWAYS run Lovers over Artificer).

The sheet is always a great resource. Mini's high fear fundamentals guide is amazing. Mynt's post on high fear surface and how it's a different beast is also amazing. And reach out asap in the discord whenever you're stuck or need advice, there's always people ready to answer questions.

[brave dove]

tyty!

[gloomy shuttle]

High fear players, are you playing with controller, or mouse and keyboard ?

[glossy forge]

I play with mouse and keyboard

a lot play with controller

[frigid ore]

i do mouse and keyboard. not that im an established high fear player but— i think you can do whichever you prefer

[gloomy shuttle]

I was wondering it might have a significant impact about anything, or not

[glossy forge]

there's advantages and disadvantages to both tbh, overall controller might be better but it's not a big difference

[gloomy shuttle]

I sometimes struggle with autoaim as my projectiles might sometimes not go where I'd like, and at the same time it's hard to aim without it on controller. But movements are probably easier

[frigid ore]

it matters but presumably if you put in the time with either you can achieve mastery. idk i like being able to aim manually with my mouse

[glossy forge]

wasd movement has you running and dashing into walls when you expected to dash away from an attack, which is a big disadvantage, but the ability to aim your mouse is massive

but auto-aim is also great

[gloomy shuttle]

To be fair it is not what prevents me from clearing, I was just thinking about it

[gloomy shuttle]

yeah helps way more often that it doesn't I can't deny

I am used to kind of force my way trough, even by taking damage to save time which of course doesn't work with scars 3. But at the same time I feel that if I don't I'll run out of time 90%+ of the time

[magic moss]

kbm, mouse is objectively better for staff

[bright gull]

How does the hammer boon “wide grin” work with Medea? Will it ruin it for me?

[bright gull]

Ok i just picked it and it made things clunkier

Im running Zeus attack

[timber pawn]

Ya it's probably the worst hammer for medea

[solemn loom]

@brave dove We also have a resource that has just been updated and will be periodically added. https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/
Not bound to high fear only, but any fear and gameplay in general.

[glossy forge]

Wait this is so fire, but it’s so much work if you’re manually adding it 🥹

[brave dove]

I'm guessing they add channels manually and there's some sort of autofeed from those channels via the hades 2 tag? Still a lot of work, but less than doing every video individually.

(but yeah honestly that's a great resource is it pinned anywhere?)

[magic moss]

for reference, Autumn's work was my original inspiration for the sheet

[glossy forge]

No wonder, it’s so clean 😭 should be pinned everywhere, lets you play with vows and arcana setups and send them to others without having to screenshot, I use it all the time

[bright gull]

I spent all morning trying to make Pan click for me , I can’t really make it work

How do you guys build on Pan daggers? I’ve been doing Poseidon and Hestia specials

I even had a run with both Posei-Ares & Posei-Hestia duo boons and it was still underperforming

Or Maybe Madea just spoiled me idk

[magic moss]

do you want the stupid "meta" answer or the meta "meta" answer

[bright gull]

Both please

[elfin forge]

(trick)

[bright gull]

Yeah i tried it

[magic moss]

stupid meta answer is just go trick knives and spam dash attacks with casts

meta answer is poseidon special with ares duo

after, its all about execution

pan is one of those aspects where mastery of the aspect matters more than the build

a good pan player can make a suboptimal build feel fine, a bad pan player can make a good build feel bad

its a brutal truth, but there really is no other way to put it

[bright gull]

How so? Doesn’t seem like a mechanically demanding aspect

[bright gull]

I’m missing something

[magic moss]

I would recommend watching Fate (https://www.youtube.com/@Fate_00/videos) and see how he wields Pan

[magic moss]

Mechanically yes its not that demanding. Pan just has a ton of small micro-improvements you can do to really take the aspect to the next level

[bright gull]

You get trick knives and cast>dash-attack, what are the micro stuff there?

[magic moss]

thats the stupid meta answer, there is no micro

outside of dodging (which ddash conpletely removes the need to), trick knives pan is just hyper broken

[bright gull]

Lol ok what are the micro min-maxing details only Pan masters know of

Making sure your daggers hit both ways?

[magic moss]

watch Fate for the standard meta, but it essentially comes down to maximizing how many enemies your individual ospecials can hit

[glossy forge]

it's placing your cast strategically and aiming AWAY from the cast sometimes in order to omega special enemies outside the cast and then finish off the enemies in the cast in one fell swoop

and that's just one example

[magic moss]

Go herro, you’re the trick knives guy im just staff guy with a bit more high fear knowledge

[glossy forge]

I'll happily be the trick knives guy 🥹 i just picked this up from watching fate stream, he's nuts

[magic moss]

fate on pan feels likes hes playing a different aspect

[glossy forge]

(factual glaze inc) he's as goated with pan as you are with staff

[magic moss]

😭

[brave dove]

trick knives my beloved...

[glossy forge]

MY beloved

[brave dove]

Listen sharing is caring and also I don't think I'm getting a 50f clear without it anytime soon-

[glossy forge]

fair, hey I relied on an op build for my first 50, relied on an op trick knives build for my first 55, nothing wrong with using strong stuff in the game to get clears

you'll get better as you get more confidence at 50 by clearing it

[brave dove]

Though I do wonder if it's on the nerf list for next patch, wicked onslaught is a Very distant second

[glossy forge]

I'd be surprised if it wasn't, but I almost hope it won't be nerfed 😭

[wintry fiber]

tbf you need busted af builds when playing the top difficulty where timer vow exaggerates the dps race

[magic moss]

i actually disagree, you can honestly get by with like nothing with enough skill

case in point, me

[thin ridge]

Starting with op builds and working your way down seems like the best way to go about

Learn the enemies and timing with creative mode and slowly make urself less powerful

[magic moss]

go lower until you deny the gifts of the gods

[glossy forge]

boonless propoganda

[solemn loom]

We just need the video link and we only add cores and hammers for selected entries.

And some these are very cool thumbnails.

[woeful moth]

Does secret crush also affect omega atack? It says atacks gain power

[elfin forge]

yeah omegas too

[keen moon]

I’m crying right now. I have Vicious Flourish at level 16. It was my only boon and got to level 8, then I got Echo’s Pompompom and doubled its level 😂

[elfin forge]

what's its percent?

[keen moon]

130%

[elfin forge]

what rarity?