#h2-builds-and-combat

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nova cairn
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Maybe, maybe - how do u go about activating it with this build anywho

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I picked up omega hangover and was activating it with demetre attack but is the go to just glamour gain or what

bleak night
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Blitz on Special so you can Lightning Lance your Clang and Geyser Spout

nova cairn
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true actually

bleak night
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then Arctic Gale for the Cast

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should be Orig, just remember to toss the sniper shot

nova cairn
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Borne gain is default for most mana builds still isn't it too

nova cairn
bleak night
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that way you have Zeus/Dem/Heph/Poseidon

sage flame
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shout out ionic gain

nova cairn
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i always tend to just run the keepsake for the god i want the boon for in ephyra, is this actually optimal or have i been trolling myself the whole time lmfao

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in this case, hepaestus

sage flame
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that's the usual way yea

nova cairn
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okay thought so because I have just always done that even in hades 1

sage flame
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sometimes ppl run other things first region (usually athena) but god keepsake start is like 90% of runs

steady tartan
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i usually do athena keepsake for thessaly

carmine ginkgo
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Going topside and the axe has the resource buff for tonight. Any recommended builds? (Haven't really found many that aren't 9+ months old. Fan of the BIG CHOP hammer boon, but other than that...)

atomic ibex
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If you have ares keepsake, try a blood drop run

carmine ginkgo
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I took Apollo keepsake and got heroic attack as my first boon (upgraded). Next boon was ares, so I think I shall take that as the next keepsake and see where it leads me

steady tartan
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blood drop axe is good, what aspect are you using?

carmine ginkgo
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Than, of course

steady tartan
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yeah, i like using cut above on than axe for o-attack spam, but i dont know how well it holds up later on. i dont play with fear on often, kinda waiting for 1.0 and all the balance changes to come

formal pulsar
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Where are the notes for the mini patch that changed the skulls from 5 to 4?

carmine ginkgo
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Is cut above the giga chop? I did get to Typhon with it and... I can't remember what build I had. Didn't beat him though

steady tartan
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cut above is the ares boon that spawns swords on omega move hit for a little extra magick

carmine ginkgo
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Ah, right. Yeah, aiming for that

stable lichen
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RIP mel skulls, you were op for a day

uneven palm
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They’re still better than before imo

twilit tendon
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What changed exactly ? Can't check right now

steady tartan
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definitely, but rip one day meta.

stable lichen
steady tartan
stable lichen
twilit tendon
steady tartan
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same tbh. take advantage of it for now? tempting...

stable lichen
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although i suppose you dont have to special to regather skulls as often so

uneven palm
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Like I’ll take the faster attack and more ammo

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I wonder what Heph lego does to it now

formal pulsar
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Did they change anything in the mini patch besides skull?

spare kite
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nope

twilit tendon
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Fits the maths

stable lichen
gaunt coyote
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Should’ve left it for a week, cowards

stable lichen
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i might just not update to abuse the OP mel skulls for longer

slate trench
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update wont even load for me

gaunt coyote
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Ngl I have no idea how that buff made it out of the gates to begin with. What…. Were they expecting to happen?

carmine ginkgo
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Jeeez. So far: Than axe, heroic apollo attack level 2, (double final attack swing), attacks may inflict daze, and now attacks gain +10 power for 20 mana prime.

nova cairn
carmine ginkgo
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This thing will hit like the fist of an angry godess

stable lichen
steady tartan
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probaby to nerf it soon after if it seems too strong, which they did

nova cairn
stable lichen
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im thankful we had a day to play around with something that ridiculous

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they should just randomly buff weapons to absurd levels for a day or two just so we can do funny stuff

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could be good for stuff like april fools

steady tartan
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charon axe insta charges now

magic moss
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With the change to Mel Skulls, any Patch 8 pre hotfix 50F will not be considered 24 hours after this message.

stable lichen
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alright, goodbye OP skulls, update time

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you shall be missed

magic moss
stable lichen
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not gonna do 50F lol, uni is tiring enough

magic moss
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fair

stable lichen
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all things considered, it still feels better than warsong skulls and definitely a huge improvement from olympic skulls

carmine ginkgo
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Do boons that increase dash damage increase the damage of the Beach Ball boon? It felt hilariously effective to just run around and launch the ball

steady tartan
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definitely. im actually willing to use the skull now

steady tartan
nova cairn
nova cairn
spare kite
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clang clang

nova cairn
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I LOST AAAAAAGHHHHHHH

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I had to have been so close but he headbutt me into projectiles fml

steady tartan
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noooooooo!

nova cairn
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how to not take a billion damage

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so demoralising

slate trench
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rip

nova cairn
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even had frosty veneer 😩

carmine ginkgo
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Typhon does still feel rather disgusting. Chronos-who?

nova cairn
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i dont like not being able to see the health bar

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it felt like i got to zeus instantly and then he just didn't want to die 😭

spare kite
nova cairn
nova cairn
steady tartan
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i think hes in a way better spot now tho

spare kite
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I like the feeling of "oh god pls dieee" when not running antler tbh

nova cairn
spare kite
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if you have enough armor/gale is worth

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to the other edge of fear mynt has used it at 55f

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just to not get timed out

steady tartan
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i just want his porjectiles to be easier to track and his headbutt a little easier to avoid. it feels like you can never get away from it if you use anything but skull

spare kite
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you can dash through the chin

nova cairn
spare kite
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gale the pet

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it gives you 3 blocks per biome, even saving one for typh is great

nova cairn
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OH right yeah

bleak night
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Alright so this new Axe tech

spare kite
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and yeah armor from heph or last shop/stuff like snow queen works too or mint condition

bleak night
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It's kinda broken ngl, just watched someone do a run

nova cairn
nova cairn
carmine ginkgo
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wheeze oh god, hell splitter too in this axe build run. Currently at 730 per normal hit and it hits twice

bleak night
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Don't let the Special button go and then do a dash, lmk what happens

nova cairn
bleak night
nova cairn
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oh wait is it that you're still charing after the dash?

bleak night
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It skips the Special animation

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So you can instantly start charging another Omega Special

steady tartan
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hmm.

nova cairn
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dash usually cancels any omega charge right

bleak night
steady tartan
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interesting

nova cairn
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oh wait i see yeah

cursive oyster
nova cairn
spare kite
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mods

bleak night
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^

nova cairn
cursive oyster
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yes

nova cairn
bleak night
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Sec my friend did a run, lemme show you what his build was and how it went

cursive oyster
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it’s been this way since patch 6 LMAO

bleak night
nova cairn
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📝 never really messed around with axe special before i'm ngl i pretend it isn't real but maybe i'll try it with charon or something

bleak night
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It's better to do on Than

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Because it has crit on Omegas

cursive oyster
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wh why?

civic ocean
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You can just re drop the cast every time right

cursive oyster
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yes

civic ocean
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Sounds suuuuper fun if you get a lot of cast speed and lucid gain

steady tartan
bleak night
# cursive oyster wh why?

Ngl the damage off of Controlled Burn was enough but maybe Glowing Coal on Charon might go hard now in that case ?

cursive oyster
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ranged casts miight break the tech

sand flicker
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Any good stuff with the black coat? having a rough time with it

topaz canopy
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is the experimental hammer bonus supposed to be permanent if you take it off

bleak night
topaz canopy
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i feel like i had the impression it was, but it isn’t anymore - was i just hallucinating

cursive oyster
nova cairn
spare kite
bleak night
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It looks really fun at least

steady tartan
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yeah, i might try it out later

bleak night
native dove
main beacon
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guys is it just me or does "tracking" boons in a run kinda increase the chance of them appearing

steady tartan
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honestly i feel like it does the opposite. never get the boons im looking for...

main beacon
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i just got two legendary boons after tracking them immediately beforehand xd

steady tartan
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bro...

spare kite
main beacon
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i was just trying to aresmaxx with the black coat to see how fast i could punch and now im all geared up from poseidon ares and hera. it literally felt like i hand picked every single boon that showed up

steady tartan
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when the random numbers generate

spare kite
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speaking of coat, I tried to block the gem throw thing Typh does like a dumbass

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while playing antler zaglol

steady tartan
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oof.

tawdry wave
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Did they buff Prometheus? He feels stronger than before the warsong update

carmine ginkgo
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Dangit. Lost to typhon again. Hits for 70 damage are disgusting T_T

placid wren
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when do i mash B?

spare kite
inland pumice
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What would you guys say is the easiest weapon/aspect to clear mount olympus with right now? Fully upgraded

tawdry wave
main beacon
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charon axe

steady tartan
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charon axe my beloved

inland pumice
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With the axe do you guys go for the full combo? Or just dash strikes? I imagine full combo is too slow, esp on higher heat right? Or you just rely on charged special/cast explosion?

main beacon
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that thang only needs one thing to work : apollo mana regen

spare kite
steady tartan
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i need to play with fear more often but i do the full cast and omega special

main beacon
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being able to stand in your own cast and regen mana while everything around you is the closest you can get to a 1 boon break

stable lichen
main beacon
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the only thing that doesnt work well with charon axe omega explosions is apollo's omega cast effect that kind of prevent you from setting down a cast again immediately

steady tartan
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and winners circle

stable lichen
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i love how blade rift is just better prominence flare

steady tartan
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yeah. i feel like the one change prominence flare needs is either, make it affected by winners circle so it fades faster, or let us cast again while it procs

spare kite
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if its the 2nd you are gonna go blind

stable lichen
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just let us cast when it procs, blade rifts do that

heavy palm
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Question: having got hell splitter with mel axe and ares attack, are there any other hammers that might make it even more ridiculous or will they all be on the special I'm not using?

spare kite
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executioner chop

stable lichen
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exe chop

heavy palm
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They go together?

surreal hazel
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Rapid slash

spare kite
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or rapid yeah

steady tartan
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do they go together?

stable lichen
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i mean theoretically you could get all 3

surreal hazel
heavy palm
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Okay, will try.

stable lichen
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isnt that one chaos trial just all 3 together

surreal hazel
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Everything is a 300 power double chop

heavy palm
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I got offered both.

surreal hazel
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There are no mutually exclusive hammers in hades2

heavy palm
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So rapid or exe?

spare kite
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exe is funnier

surreal hazel
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Exe

heavy palm
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I have magic to spare.

surreal hazel
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The damage you can get is insane

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Hope you have thanatos

heavy palm
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I'm already doing 1k per hit.

surreal hazel
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Know the dash trick?

heavy palm
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No, but I'm looking for Zeus Ares duo

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I know it but I'm not good at it

surreal hazel
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Where you can dash during the startup oglf the big chop and it doesn't interrupt it

heavy palm
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Oh and I unlocked judgement from Circe

inland pumice
spare kite
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start apollo gain, get any cast and special that setups origination and geyser spout from pos

main beacon
inland pumice
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Does the explosion go that far though? Because with that strat you’re kind of waiting for enemies to come to you right?

main beacon
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with that much damage why not come right to them?MelGrin

steady tartan
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O special goes across the whole screen and can deal crazy damage on its own

inland pumice
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Oh so you’re not really relying on the cast explosion for damage? Just the special itself?

spare kite
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cast def deals its fair amounjt of dmg

main beacon
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yeah dont even bother swinging that hog for even a second

steady tartan
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Only if you're worried about getting close before you get any ranged cast

main beacon
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^^for aspect of charon speficifally

valid pine
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Was
Hades 2 patched again?
I thought Mel Skull had a base ammo of 5 now
i start the game and its 4 now

steady tartan
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Mhm. Small nerf

valid pine
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Was that all?
I wish there were patch notes detailing nerfs and buffs ywy

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at least more thoroughly

steady tartan
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Yeah that's all they did

inland pumice
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What’s the best boon for Charon axe special? Or all are fine

steady tartan
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Percent damage. Hera and ares can go pretty hard

candid ledge
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Real quick. Why are people I watch upload/stream able to reset seed at the Testaments Altar but I am unable to do so?

valid pine
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I'd say maybe Nova?
Or Nexus,,, since its huge

main beacon
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zeus

candid ledge
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is it only available after doing the mini-patch update? (Patch 8?) I swore it was in the original patch notes...

valid pine
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Its a cauldron thing you have to unlock

candid ledge
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Ah no wonder...thank you sleigh.

valid pine
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Kill the final boss on the Surface like 7 times to have it become available to incant

inland pumice
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Hey are poms like in the first game where they’re better on flat damage than percent? Or is that not the case anymore

main beacon
# valid pine Was that all? I wish there were patch notes detailing nerfs and buffs ywy

also you must have not played for a while because the skull actually increased from 3 to 4 this patch. https://steamcommunity.com/app/1145350/ here you go

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valid pine
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Different boons scale differently with poms

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Zeus' Static Shock used to scale linearly but now its hyperbolic (negative) ywy

candid ledge
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yeah it's not a fixed rule. and they've adjusted a few boons scaling as well through the patches. unsure how detailed the documentation is

civic ocean
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I am hyperbolic (negative) as well so I can relate

valid pine
steady tartan
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And a damage decrease. From 20 power to 12 so Mel skull doesn't scale as much

main beacon
valid pine
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The only boon that comes to mind that DOESNT like
Get less benefit from poms the more you level it up is Tough Gain

inland pumice
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So basically there’s no hard rule for what to Pom? Just kinda vibe?

steady tartan
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pom whatever you use most for the run i guess?

heavy palm
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Whelp, judgement just unlocked every arcana

valid pine
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Just pom what you want to !
There's good reason to both
Stack one boon super high
Or to spread it among all of them

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I miss Persephone's keepsake,,,, it was my favorite

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There was a mod that added it supposedly but its been depricated for a while sobs

surreal hazel
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Turns out that heinous affront goes hard with night bloom and Connection

civic ocean
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Oh that’s fun

inland pumice
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Also surface path is way harder than going down man, I lost multiple times on the way up/ or maybe I just don’t remember how hard downstairs is since it’s been a while since I went that way

heavy palm
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Who said there are no incompatible hammers? I just picked chaos in summit and got furious whirlwind on hell splitter. It does ... nothing.

surreal hazel
inland pumice
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Is there any reason to keep going down right now?I’ve exclusively gone upstairs since I came back for warsong

surreal hazel
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Pom volcanic moves like crazy

surreal hazel
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New miniboss down there too, some story

steady tartan
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supportive shade, easier runs. certain resources

cursive oyster
sage flame
cursive oyster
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you can charge a spin off of the big chop and also off of the dash strike

heavy palm
cursive oyster
heavy palm
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Really...

cursive oyster
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also just hold down attack?

civic ocean
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How do you normally do omega attacks on Axe now im curious

heavy palm
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No

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Oh wait it's working now

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Wasn't working before

surreal hazel
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You don't get any that actually disable functions thst other hammers specifically enhance

cursive oyster
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last i checked some hammers are incompatible

surreal hazel
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And there's no hard mutual exclusives that hades 1 has

surreal hazel
cursive oyster
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unless that got fixed this patch

surreal hazel
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I've not checked

cursive oyster
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and rapid thrasher is incompatible with cross cataclysm

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and vampiric cataclysm

surreal hazel
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They shouldn't be even if they are

cursive oyster
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yea its weird

junior trail
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Did they fix the Mel skull wide grin dmg bonus bug?

inland pumice
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@main beacon okay you were right this is broken, do you even bother using regular attack? Haha

surreal hazel
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Mel skulls check for spent shells as they are fired, not on impact

main beacon
main beacon
surreal hazel
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You dash strike to interrupt enemies

inland pumice
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I just got the hammer that sends out two omega specials

cursive oyster
surreal hazel
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Ideally but you're not always in a safe place to

main beacon
surreal hazel
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Hestia's*

main beacon
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who said that..shadesmile

gusty tinsel
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i just got golden boon on the witches staff, what should i try to do with that?

surreal hazel
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I saw that

surreal hazel
gusty tinsel
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sorry golden rule*

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the duo boon

civic ocean
surreal hazel
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It's more damage,

gusty tinsel
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is there anything i can do to maximize money

surreal hazel
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What do you want to know? Bonk.

main beacon
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would it be op if golden rule changed to +5% for every 100 gold Spent? i personally pay it no mind as it is

civic ocean
gusty tinsel
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brah

surreal hazel
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Chaos affluence boons can also be crazy

cursive oyster
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quick buck

obsidian stirrup
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the skull is so insanely high dps it's crazy

surreal hazel
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Actually fun

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Also amusing just how much they had to nerf posessed array and it's still great

spare kite
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it might as well be a buff now with the new athena boon

civic ocean
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Pick up a second job

surreal hazel
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Not sure why rocket bombard was removed

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It's not obsolete with the updates

nova cairn
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Keep dying on typhon despite going into him on full hp fml

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😩

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I will get this 32 clear i swear on everythin

steady tartan
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anybody got some underrated/bad seeming builds?

deep fog
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Am I crazy or can you just ignore Typhons big Lazer attack by just hugging his chin?

wild sun
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Pretty much, yeah

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I've had a fair few moments with that attack where I'm like "wait I definitely got hit there"

steady tartan
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facehugger cosplay makes his fight easier, just gotta worry about the chin slam and the cyclones. and occasionally the projectiles

spare kite
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@junior sun we got nerfed from +20 for a reason, it was that strong (and even with 4 skulls it'd be)

junior sun
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It was +20 instead of +35 when it was 5 skulls? I actually didnt play at all yesterday so I didnt see that

spare kite
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It was +20 normally

junior sun
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Oh yeah I forget My fault nevermind then is the new heph +20?

spare kite
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I haven't tested, I'd assume +18/+21?

steady tartan
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probably around that

spare kite
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So like 2 or 3 lvls worth of upgrades

pine ridge
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Does Explosive Intent from Icarus only activate on the first hit of an Omega?

steady tartan
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dont think so

spare kite
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It works multiple times

pine ridge
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thank you. does it have an internal cooldown?

spare kite
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If it has I don't think anything runs into it

candid ledge
deep quarry
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chat my figleaf did not proc on tartarus or mourning fields is it bugged

spare kite
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Get leaf'd

junior trail
pine ridge
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WHOO! I got it with Thanatos and it rips
that new Zeus boon that pops Blitz on omegas has me seeing internal cooldowns over my shoulder and lurking in the shadows etc

candid ledge
glacial robin
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Is there something similar to the high-heat strategy channel for hades 2? struggling with which is the best options for high oath

lost path
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Transcendent Revelation from Chaos says:
You Channel your Omega Moves 25% faster.

Racing Thoughts from Hermes says:
Your Omega Moves are faster. [+25%]

Are these the same effect or are they different? I know SG is working on wording consistency between boons.

inland pumice
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Quick question, it's okay if I post a youtube video here right? I want to show part of the run I had with Charon Axe

junior trail
inland pumice
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@main beacon Thanks for the tip on Charon Axe LOL

lost path
civic ocean
civic ocean
main beacon
inland pumice
steady tartan
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same, but i wouldve immediately gotten crushed if i tried it

inland pumice
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But I was playing safe because he’s ended my run before

polar chasm
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Any tips on how to keep track of Mel during the Typhon fight? I just watched the video above so maybe I just stay in my cast? I lose track of her at least once zagsad

main beacon
inland pumice
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The two biggest moments that locked in the run were

A. Getting slip on Poseidon cast, giving me the 50% damage buff when I froze an enemy with my special and slip them
B. Getting frosty veneer which limited my damage taken to 20

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If I hadn’t got it, I would have lost a death defiance to the Minotaur boss for sure, it hit me like 8 times lol

steady tartan
inland pumice
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Also getting gust on my cast and deflect on cast from Athena made it easy to avoid enemies too

main beacon
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you can also stack dodge chance like never before rn, i think ive gotten past 80% dodge where the entire world thrown against you is trivial

polar chasm
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Fair! I'll try that. Should probably have my eyes on her at all times anyway

inland pumice
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If you stand in typhon’s face can he not hit you with anything other than face smash?

steady tartan
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pretty much

main beacon
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that, the sweeping beam, and little tornados coming out his mouth are all pretty direct

spare kite
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Forehead projectile can

steady tartan
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the beam can be avoided if you stay close

main beacon
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the rest is lobbed over you i think

spare kite
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Also yeah tongue laser has a blindspot in his face/directly next to him

steady tartan
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some projectiles, chin smash, and cyclones can hit you if you stay in his face

inland pumice
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Can the tail hit you there? In the part where it spawns eggs

spare kite
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Yeah

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It just spawns on top of you basically

steady tartan
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i usually go to the bottom of the arena for that part until eggs spawn

inland pumice
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I guess the biggest danger with him is the crazy damage right? His actual moveset isn’t too tricky imo, even compared to some of the minibosses leading up to him

spare kite
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Pretty much

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That's why antler and some armor is so effective lol, phase him before he tries anything funny

wild sun
spare kite
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Spawn of typh is chill

steady tartan
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i really dont get why people hate the spawn of typhon

spare kite
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Unless vow of shadow then it sucks

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(if you don't know, it spawns a 2nd one but with armor)

wild sun
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It's introduced as a mini boss then it shows up as a regular enemy with the ability to stun you.

steady tartan
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im not doing many fear runs until 1.0 so i dont have to worry about vow of shadow ;p

inland pumice
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I did the spawn with the shadow copy thing

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But also I think it’s just the amount of distance it can cover so quickly, I keep second guessing how far he goes

spare kite
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Yeah I don't turn on shadow vow on surface anymore lol

inland pumice
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And the ring attack catches me too

spare kite
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I find it easier to just iframe than figuring out those lol

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For the swipes is just dash through it twice then wait a bit for 3rd dash

steady tartan
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its the pink part with a slight expansion when it triggers i believe

wild sun
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It's not as on your tail as the minotaur, but running from it is still a nightmare.

inland pumice
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If you dodge too early on the charge he kinda turns towards you right?

spare kite
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No clue

inland pumice
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At least that’s what it felt like to me

spare kite
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Fwiw I can barely tell its moves now lol

steady tartan
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yes, he has some tracking

spare kite
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The antlerrrrr is too strong

inland pumice
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So how does antler work? You put on damage over time build and play keep away, waiting for DOT effect+crit to kill?

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Because the health cap seems steep to me but I haven’t really used it yet

spare kite
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Stack armor/dmg blocking effects

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So gale/mint condition/nitro boost/lovers arcana/snow queen

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Dodge chance is good too

inland pumice
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Do you swap to it late in a run once you have what you need? Or just stick with it the whole way through

spare kite
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It only works for one biome

inland pumice
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Ah

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I need to finish leveling up the keepsakes, I’ve done all the god ones other than ares but the rest I’m pretty behind on

steady tartan
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so save it for the end i guess

spare kite
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(this is before the hotfix but it didn't change much when I tested again)

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Stuff like athena's defensive posture and ares's blood spree are also great

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Assuming you don't get one shotted you can go back to full

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(which that said, some Typh attacks can one shot you through strength lol)

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Off the top of my head you have to mind chin slams and forehead projectile

inland pumice
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I just unlocked ares today, what’s the consensus? His boons seem pretty strong to me. I still miss the doom effect from 1 though lol, Athena+ares was the most satisfying duo

spare kite
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He's really strong

inland pumice
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I also miss the spinning blades stuff

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Those were fun 😛

spare kite
inland pumice
spare kite
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There's grievous blow that gives you chance of doing double dmg on wounded enemies (his curse) or that one

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Also you can stack his "crits" with normal crits

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Blood drops are hilarious too

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His gain is good apparently but I don't use it cuz I either prefer having too much hp or antler where it works once

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The sword stuff are fun if you get both duos

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He's pretty good compared to his h1 version

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His infusion is solid too, if a bit expensive

steady tartan
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yeah. i like cut above, i think it has a lot of potential. mortal gain seems cool, but i like having as much health as possible. especially for surface runs. blood drops are really funny, a blood drop than axe build is how i got my first win against typhon

inland pumice
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Oh btw I wanted to ask, is it generally worth taking the duo boons that end an effect and do a burst of damage? It seems counterintuitive to me because I figure you want to keep 2 effects for the 50% damage buff. But maybe the burst of dps is worth? What say the theorycrafters here

spare kite
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Are you talking of freezer burn or steam

inland pumice
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Like hestia/demeter for example

steady tartan
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steam is bugged in the new patch i think?

spare kite
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Freezer burn is absolutely worth
Steam not really

inland pumice
#

What makes one worth and the other not?

spare kite
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It works but they changed the vfx and is super tiny apparently

spare kite
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Steam's Dot is not enough to lose the +50%

steady tartan
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really? i havent noticed anything when i use it. and the duration says 0 seconds, so thats like 30 damage at most and removes slip? which can be a crazy damage up? not worth

spare kite
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One is a nuke the other is not

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And you could always get a 3rd curse fwiw

inland pumice
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What about romantic spark? And I know blast effect is not a debuff but I would count rude awakening since it removes daze

steady tartan
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romantic spark is pretty good if i remember right

spare kite
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Romantic park is good, blitz can have insane base dmg so +80% is nice

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Rude awakening should be worth

steady tartan
#

is blitz affected by the ares infusion?

spare kite
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+220 power (iirc) is pretty good, if your are focusing on blasts ofc

junior trail
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rude awakening stacks with back burner/backstab bug also

spare kite
round quartz
inland pumice
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Is the 2 curse buff arcana necessary would you guys say? Could it potentially be better to ignore it and go for other damage buffs? In Hades 1 I always took it, not sure if it’s as effective in 2

round quartz
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Origination is almost always a take

spare kite
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If you aren't using flat dmg stuff you could use huntress but I always take it

steady tartan
#

interesting. so rallying cry, romantic spark, and arc flash could go crazy

inland pumice
spare kite
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Mel torches for the extra uptime on specials

steady tartan
#

probably moros

round quartz
spare kite
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You need to be sprinting

round quartz
steady tartan
round quartz
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Though Moros is just the best torch
But with Moros, all you really need is a high percentage attack boon and magic regen
And the build is done

inland pumice
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Do you guys also take the mana regen arcana? I’m not sure if it’s a must take or just a nice to have, seems to be build specific?

spare kite
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No

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5 grasp is too much for it

steady tartan
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not worth

round quartz
inland pumice
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Which is best then? Zeus hestia and Apollo all have it right?

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Are they all good?

round quartz
inland pumice
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Yeah

steady tartan
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hera and zeus are both pretty good

spare kite
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Depends on your need

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Aphro can support low spending builds + weak (and origination) hera/ares are for greedy builds

steady tartan
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hestia is great on torches as far as i know

spare kite
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Apollo is fun with casts
Hestia works if you use a lot of normals

round quartz
# inland pumice Are they all good?

Hera is the best
Next is Zeus
Then maybe Ares mortal gain?

If you are taking wicked thrasher for staff (normal attack hits twice, takes magick) hestia is an obvious choice

junior trail
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hestia is for attack/special spam, like staff mirrored thrasher

spare kite
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Zeus is great in general unless you hate interacting mid combat

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Tough gain is mostly for the brave face niche

steady tartan
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demeter is situational i would say

spare kite
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Pos's kinda bad but it can work for pan ig?

inland pumice
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I think I need to play around with the torches more, I always enjoy them when I’m clearing rooms, but when I get to boss fights they feel awkward and weird to use. I’m probably not playing them right or taking the wrong boons for them or something, everyone says they’re strong

round quartz
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Demeter regen is only good for waiting on memory game in Prometheus

steady tartan
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its percent based so it can scale decently well if you get a good rarity, but you dont get enough time to take advantage of it usually

round quartz
inland pumice
steady tartan
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in my experience, hestia gain and zeus attack works pretty well. aphro special is a nice pair cause you can hit romantic spark

round quartz
# inland pumice Sure, hit me

Zeus on special
Any percentage attack (Hera with hitch is the easiest go to)
And both Hera and Zeus has great regens

Omega special and just stay near enemies to trigger blitz
Then hold attack
And take defensive options like demeter cast for freezing enemies in place for a bit

spare kite
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If you have ares his special is also funny with moros

round quartz
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Yeah

steady tartan
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i put it on moros attack because i like the way the ghosts look

spare kite
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For mel torches you can also do zeus attack + arc flash

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(this is a chaos trial if you wanna try)

inland pumice
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Wait did they change how Zeus or hestia gain work? I thought one of them primed you so you only have like 30 mana or something, maybe I’m misremembering?

spare kite
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The other addition can be fine line (hera, omega moves create a rift and use +15 mana) and athena's righteous pike (when using 90 mana, enemies are hit by pikes)

inland pumice
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I’m reading the effects now and it seems different from what I remember

spare kite
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It cut your mana by 70% then regenerated some per second

inland pumice
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Ah okay

round quartz
#

Oh interesting
I started playing during patch 3

spare kite
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It was baaaaad lol

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And hera has only gotten her numbers changed

steady tartan
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i started in the olympic update so im not familiar with the older stuff

spare kite
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It used to prime 10 at common

inland pumice
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Yeah I played around launch, then took a long break after I beat Eris (final boss for surface at the time)

lapis star
#

can i get a build for melinoe axe?

inland pumice
#

So I probably missed a lot of changes lol

junior trail
inland pumice
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Is Hephaestus good now? I remember there was some talk of buffing him back then

round quartz
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Heph offensively is bad still
He is a defensive powerhouse though with Mint Condition and Trusty Shield

spare kite
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His cast is great

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The blasts can be fun but they take commitment to them

steady tartan
#

great defensive stuff, but his blast effects need some more love. cast is great with winners circle

inland pumice
#

The blasts are only good if you Pom them to reduce cooldown right?

steady tartan
#

mhm

spare kite
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Or on a support slot

inland pumice
#

And even then it’s per boon so you can only focus on one at a time

spare kite
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Like daggers on mel/arty blades

junior trail
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except heartthrob is now capped at 6 if you want to play with love handles/chain reaction/sunny

spare kite
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Put it on special as a "delete that" move

steady tartan
#

blast is alright on your off attack if youre going for a duo or something

lapis star
spare kite
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Aphro/hera/apollo as usual for attack, ignore special mostly and idk, dem cast

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Origination + safety

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Or you can put blitz/waves/blast/wounds on the special

inland pumice
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Do blasts scale well damage wise? I remember the main reason I didn’t like Hephaestus was the flat damage which you could only increase through base damage increase yeah?

junior trail
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it scales with grand caldera and furnace blast but yeah its still not that good

spare kite
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We have a lot of global dmg boosts nowadays

steady tartan
#

and vent is useless if you reduce the cooldown enough

spare kite
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Not anymore apparently

junior trail
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except if you abuse backstab bug with back burner, which also stacks with rude awakening

spare kite
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It doesn't get refreshed with blasts now

steady tartan
#

really? huh

inland pumice
#

So what I’m hearing is buff Hephaestus

spare kite
#

Oh yeah forgot his dash loool
(Is bad)

steady tartan
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just reduce cooldown on blast, and/or damage scale with poms. his dash is just more blast... wasnt it like, the same effect as aspect of nyx at some point?

spare kite
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It got changed to nyx

steady tartan
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yeah, thats what i meant. i knew it was something like that

wild sun
#

Okay, finally having a go at the skulls after their buff that everyone won't stop talking about. Utterly fantastic, I have no notes at the moment. These things are devastating.

spare kite
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Sad you missed out the 5 skulls one zaglol

steady tartan
#

i only did one 5 skull run and it was crazy

wild sun
#

Ah, four skulls is working perfectly fine

steady tartan
#

i havent played the 4 skull version yet

spare kite
#

damn it dyno (mel skull rank 6 is +21)

main beacon
#

wait how does bolstered array work now

spare kite
#

is still +2

main beacon
#

+2 = 6? nice

steady tartan
#

mhm

main beacon
#

actually way more reason to use wide grin with medea imo

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or am i trippin

spare kite
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not really

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there's more burst but you miss the rhythm of doing 1 at a time

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especially if you have blitz on special

main beacon
#

tru say

inland pumice
#

Are there any hammers that completely change a weapon? Like in hades 1 with turning the adamant rail into a rocket launcher

steady tartan
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hell splitter i guess? hades 2 is really lacking in that regard

wild sun
#

Real quick; looming ignition, possessed array, or fetching array?

spare kite
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What's your mana situation?

steady tartan
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i would say fetching

spare kite
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If it's bad and too late to fix just take fetching

steady tartan
#

mhm

wild sun
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Mana is 99

round quartz
spare kite
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Yeah just take fetching lol

steady tartan
#

fetching feels really good with the attack speed buff

wild sun
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Fetching was the best choice, I just fired endlessly for about a minute and wiped Cerberus.

steady tartan
#

Makes sense

wild sun
#

That was fun

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It was a very single-button build

steady tartan
#

One button builds go crazy when you can pull them off

wild sun
#

I do not appreciate Apollo as much as I ought to

steady tartan
#

Mhm. I think he needs to have a more defined place, like more cast boons or more healing or something cause he feels a little all over the place. But he is pretty good

wild sun
#

I'll share the build I came up with in a minute

willow phoenix
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I think Apollo being all over the place is the point though, with him being multi talented and all

wild sun
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God of healing, music, light, prophecy, etc, man's got a big portfolio.

willow phoenix
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Change dazzling display and buff prom flare and Apollo will be in a good spot imo

wild sun
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Oh and pugilism

steady tartan
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True, I feel like hermes fills the sorta jack of all trades niche better though

willow phoenix
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Don't let Apollo hear that or he'll cast a plague on you bouldy

wild sun
#

Petty gods

steady tartan
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True. I just want prominence flare buff, or showcasing that he's the god of medicine a bit better. His healing boons feel really bad imo

willow phoenix
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Warm breeze is very good

junior trail
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man i wonder if theyd bring back critical miss, that would be so pog with warm breeze

spare kite
#

critical miss?

round quartz
meager sonnet
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Hera's great..... for that one thing that upgrades

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I hate going into the opening area and seeing 3x hera

granite sierra
#

how do the different dodge percentages add up?

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like do the percentages from different boons add together or multiply together

void idol
#

do daedalus hammers for the daggers related to the special like dancing knives apply to the omega as well

junior trail
willow phoenix
granite sierra
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its a lot more than borderline

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just had a run with a combined 76.75% dodge chance with warm breeze, the hermes dodge per boon, and daze

willow phoenix
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not sure if daze stacks like that or counts separately, but yeah with hotpot, hermes dodge, wispy wiles you can easily 50%+ before daze

spare kite
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yeah daze is separated I think?

granite sierra
#

so how does daze get incorporated then, does it apply after dodge?

woven bough
#

Heya, quick question. Is ares attack good with the skulls?

spare kite
spare kite
gray garnet
#

Hey can someone explain how exactly the wounds affect works? I’m confused and I’m wondering if it’s any good for umbral flames

woven bough
spare kite
gray garnet
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Oh ok

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And so it’s per enemy right?

spare kite
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during the 3s that wounds is inflicted you get the origination arcana (+50% dmg if 2 different curses) and can use the t2 boons of ares like grievous blow (+chance to deal double dmg on wounded enemies or the one that has a chance to spill blood drops on wounded enemies)

granite sierra
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how much does increasing power actually affect damage?

gray garnet
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Ohh ok thanks! Do you think it’s good for the umbral flames or no

spare kite
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I use it on moros torches special yeah

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grievous blow double dmg is really good and blood drops get really funny

gray garnet
#

Ok cool

gray garnet
spare kite
granite sierra
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so +50 power means the attack does +50 base damage?

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ok thanks for the explanation

spare kite
granite sierra
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so if i have a boon that increases power by 10 and another that increases it by 20 the attack would get an extra 30 base damage, do i have that right?

spare kite
#

ye

formal pulsar
#

How weak and strength arcana interact with each other?

timber pawn
#

I feel like this is actually better than moros for this build now, watching it again

spare kite
wild sun
#

The Poseidon/Hera build on Pan knives gave me probably my best time yet

bleak night
formal pulsar
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So broken resolve and island gateway are marginal at best if you are running strength

spare kite
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Broken resolve was additive to weak in h1 so that one has prob some more value if it does the same here too

willow phoenix
#

How big is the theoretical max damage reduction anyway? Strength + brave face + knuckle bones + island gateway + weak + broken resolve

formal pulsar
#

It is additive here too (to the weak not to the whole formula) according to the wiki but it changes the overall damage reduction from 65% to 73% at heroic

formal pulsar
#

80.5 otherwise

spare kite
#

Tough gain gaming

willow phoenix
#

hmm might be funny with heroic tough gain, you can get like -10 on that

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tough gain counts after everything right?

spare kite
#

No clue

formal pulsar
#

How did flood control work? This should be the same

willow phoenix
#

I want to see if we can tank chronos ohko with that lol

spare kite
willow phoenix
#

without frosty

spare kite
willow phoenix
#

oh right

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80% dmg reduction from god mode

granite sierra
#

so turns out cutting edge is a lot better than i initially realized it would be

spare kite
#

It really shines if you already have coffin nail

willow phoenix
#

Huge swords are fun

granite sierra
#

didnt even get heph on my run. guess ill have to do another dedicated to cast

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maybe coffin nail, cutting edge, fourth degree (for cast)

willow phoenix
#

Cast really needs coffin nail imo, the initial wait is pretty long

granite sierra
#

maybe a little too ambitious with duos but should be good

spare kite
#

Just turn on queen

granite sierra
spare kite
willow phoenix
#

casual fourth degree is very nice as a boon

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nothing like aoe 800+ damage every time you have cast

granite sierra
#

i keep getting 4th degree on accident because i always take the hestia fireball cast

sick tide
#

Literally every time I play Mel Skulls I see wide grin, go “oooh, that sounds great,” pick it, then remember it does work with it -_-

spare kite
#

I really wish you could inflict multiple swords on the same enemy with 1 cast

sick tide
#

Then I still have fun because omega spam is fun, but still

#

Someday I’ll actually remember…

formal pulsar
#

The Poseidon omega cast boon is really good with winners circle

willow phoenix
formal pulsar
#

And it scales well with poms

spare kite
willow phoenix
#

Regardless if even the damage is lower, I think allowing for more swords in general would sell the sword ring more simply because it looks cool and appear more impactful

granite sierra
#

what's the best weapon for a cast build?

willow phoenix
#

momus probably

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geyser spout and blade rifts get replicated

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I used to say mel staff but with winner circle you don't really need the channel speed buff anymore lol

formal pulsar
#

I hate how Persephone got shafted with all the skull changes. It was a good cast weapon

sick tide
#

Wait, did it get worse?

junior trail
#

no but it's overshadowed by mel and medea

formal pulsar
#

It is not worse but it is better to spam omega attacks with wide grin than do the whole cast into omega special

willow phoenix
#

it's funny that the omega move damage buff made persephone an o attack weapon

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but O special on Perse even without charge is already pretty good

formal pulsar
#

I love zooming around while impervious

#

Weeeeeeeeee

willow phoenix
#

Winner's circle made it much more viable too

covert cosmos
#

I had a fun surface run on eos torches earlier. I’m off now but I had Apollo leg and some silly instant blitz stuff going, I got through ||typhon|| way faster than my other few successful runs so far

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I haven’t done any successful fear runs on surface yet except maybe on Artemis blades but I got my 16 fear underworld done super easy today

sick tide
#

I’d be interested in how much the balancing was able to…overcome playstyle biases might be the best way of saying it. Persephone is still my favorite skull, but while I like Mel’s better I still don’t enjoy Medea, even though it’s the Top Tier one

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But guess you’d need broader usage stats to actually see how it plays out

vernal flower
#

So the argent skulls post buff... Best weapon in the game. They're insane

indigo terrace
#

How’re people feeling about Skull after the hotfix nerf? Is it still the most busted thing in the game or is it more in line with other strong aspects like Pan and Moros?

obsidian stirrup
#

It's still busted asf

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he had 30% more health, did 20% more damage and I still managed to take solid fifths of his health at a time

bleak night
#

Would it not have been easier to just do the normal Medea combo rather than Omega attack ?

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since you have Wide Grin already anyway

obsidian stirrup
#

Originally that was the idea but it helped take out surrounding foes and i just got used to holding the button

bleak night
#

yeah that's fair

obsidian stirrup
#

Probably could have executed it better but it was a really cool build that reminded me of the quintouple shot build with the adamant rail from h1

bleak night
#

Does the bolstered hammer have +3 shells or something ?

#

I thought 6 was cap unless they made it +3 instead of +2

obsidian stirrup
#

It was +2 on top of 5 unless i missed something

bleak night
#

wait where'd you get the 7th? They nerfed it to be 4 max now

obsidian stirrup
#

Huh, might not have updated my game properly

bleak night
#

we're on the same version as well, unless you exited that run in the middle then came back to it ?

obsidian stirrup
#

Yeah I think thats what happened

bleak night
#

.111233, so you're updated. Can you check the training area rq if yours has 4/4 now ?

#

Odd, I guess it works that way. Neat.

obsidian stirrup
#

Welp, i had my fun. Should still be doable with 6 though. Just gonna miss 1 chunk of damage.

bleak night
#

You can probs still meet the same amount of damage with the meta Medea build at least

#

doesn't need any specific hammers as well, which is what makes it so potent

obsidian stirrup
#

Yeah fair, wide grin is nice since i only have to click the button once to load all

bleak night
#

Oh, loading it all at once is a dps loss for the most part

obsidian stirrup
#

Really?

bleak night
#

since doing load-ram-load-ram is better damage, yeah

#

Give it a go, start Zeus keepsake and get his Special, then just hunt for Ares/Hera/Aphrodite for your Attack

#

it outdamages Wide Grin by the nature of just applying Blitz and popping it off of a single combo, so it stacks

obsidian stirrup
#

Alrighty, I'll give it a try tomorrow since it's late but sounds like a good idea.

bleak night
#

yeah hfhf

magic wyvern
#

whats a good aspect/build for umbral flames? I always feel like I am lacking

bleak night
magic wyvern
#

tbh I only use mel's bc idk how useful the other 2 can be

bleak night
#

I can make a build for the other two as well, but for Mel Torches Hera is your core. Attack, Born Gain and Fine Line

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Only get Fine Line once you have the proper mana amounts to not prime out

magic wyvern
#

okok so put hera for my specials?

bleak night
#

No, no Specials for Mel Torches for the most part

#

You can do a Special build, but Attack builds are stronger out of the gate, because the Omega Attack in this aspect is different to the other two, it spams unlike Eos and it doesn't jam/stick together like Moros

magic wyvern
#

ohhh ok I got u

#

I appreciate it thank you ima try it out

bleak night
#

yeah, have fun. It's mostly just Hera spam yeah. You can also do Ares on Attack with the same two Hera boons of Born Gain and Fine Line

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but you get Grievous Blow from Ares and still only get Fine Line once you have around 200 or so Magick

magic wyvern
#

holy i havent gotten fine line yet bc idk why I cant find hera again, but i j beat prometheus without using a death defience (I usually use atleast 1)

#

this build is fun af

bleak night
magic wyvern
#

nono I have hera, I just havent gotten fine line yet

bleak night
#

ah wait you have Born Gain, so just no EXTRA Hera

#

yeah if you get her it activates your build, you wanna run her keepsake for the final area? Might be worth

#

It makes your damage THAT much better, unless you ran her already for the first area

magic wyvern
#

im kinda scared for final boss would using her keepsake be worth it?

bleak night
#

you have rerolls ?

magic wyvern
#

or do you think I should just go lucky tooth. nah im not that far advanced

bleak night
#

it's a gamble but if you get her Fine Line your damage is literally twice as strong, especially for someone like Typhon that just doesn't move/is immobile

#

I think it's worth giving a shot ?

magic wyvern
#

yeye ill try lets see

bleak night
#

Torch is nice vs Typhon because while holding omega attack you can dash, so you can avoid the laser and stuff still

#

it doesn't stop you from channeling the omega attack by casting/dashing

magic wyvern
#

I havent reach him yet but ive watched some peple play

bleak night
#

Imo it's worth a gamble, but if you'd prefer safety then Knuckle Bones is better value over Lucky Tooth

#

15% damage reduction vs him adds up

magic wyvern
#

dammn I almost beat him

#

wasnt able to get fine line

bleak night
#

damn, but the builds work at least so you can get it working again np

#

if Athena shows up grab Righteous Pike as well

magic wyvern
#

oh ya the build was great i just didnt know what the mini bosses did so i got hit by some attacks and lost like 2 death defiences

bleak night
#

yeah it happens. If you have the chance, upgrade the bottom left corner of your Arcana for the rerolls and gold, it helps a ton with your run starts

magic wyvern
#

oh fr? tbh I kinda have like most of the first 3 rows filled out I never tried rerolling

bleak night
magic wyvern
#

sounds good ima play around with the arcanas and see what I can do

#

I appreciate it again ima go to bed tho hopefully next run im able to defeat typhon, I was pretty close this run I think I was on the final portion of it

bleak night
surreal hazel
#

It's kinda funny that Mana Tonics are so bad that burnt offering makes Ash minor rewards significantly better

median anvil
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so does h2 have a general build goal or is it different for each aspect? in h1 it was % based gods for slow weapons, zeus and dio for fast weapons, you picked an option from those based on aspect. h2 boons seem more complex and i find myself not taking a god keepsake and just using whatever the game gives me

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for reference I've done about ~25 runs and just killed ||typhon|| for the first time on my last run

bleak night
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Staff is like the only one amongst all 3 aspects that's mostly the same

median anvil
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oh that makes things harder

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mel axe and pan blades were quite obvious, apollo attack and poseidon special respectively

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haven't figured out the optimal option for the other aspects yet

bleak night
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Mel Axe prefers Aphro for the most part

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Hera is a safe option as well

median anvil
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yeah aphro and hera work good too, but i prefer apollo for now

bleak night
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those are the top 3 choices, so yeah fair enough. For Than it's just the same

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it's just that the hammer choices are different

median anvil
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what boon should i try to get for skull for example? let's say aspect of medea

bleak night
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Start Zeus keepsake and go Special. The way Medea combos work is that if you have Blitz on Special, it applies before the skull you've loaded onto yourself explodes. With a good attack boon, such as Aphro or Hera, it will be enough to autopop Blitz every single time with a combo. You can also run Ares and be weaker at the start, but Grievous Blow also works on Blitz.

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the priority of Special is because Zeus is best in slot for the most part, but you have a few choices for Attack

median anvil
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aight will try that

bleak night
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Are you running Origination on Arcana ?

median anvil
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and should i usually load multiple skulls or just right click left click

bleak night
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50% more damage to both your attacks and your instapopped Blitz is really great

median anvil
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no origination
haven't even unlocked every card yet

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but I'm definitely interested in origination

bleak night
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your damage is stronger and it outdamages wide-grin 4 really easily

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so what makes this setup really good is you aren't hammer-reliant, any hammer is just a bonus.

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You will deal disgusting damage no matter what you do

median anvil
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aight thanks for the help 👍
currently trying to just learn a single good aspect for every weapon
until 1.0 where i inevitably have to do 32 fear allspects

bleak night
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Feel free to ask whenever, yeah

pseudo thunder
willow phoenix
unique knoll
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Hey, i always see Hera ranked very high but she's always a low tier pick for me. Am i missing something in her kit, or is it a high tier thing? I was 20, but since the update im about a 16 fear.

spare kite
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Yeah possessed is really good (already was but now even more) if you can afford the mana for it

sage flame
spare kite
bleak night
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alternatively she's 1/2 of origination with good scaling

spare kite
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Her cast is great to nuke crowds no/her gain is basically top 1 for mana stuff in a lot of weapons

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She has good duos/good support what's not to love

bleak night
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Being changed to omni-elemental is also pretty nice

unique knoll
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Isnt her mana the onee that primes your pool?

bleak night
unique knoll
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That feels weak for boss fights. Maybe im not min maxing enough.

spare kite
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Most builds shouldn't come close to priming all

bleak night
unique knoll
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Oh, nah thanks. I just needed a little push. thanks you two.

bleak night
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sure thing

formal pulsar
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Ok the more I play with torches, the more I like triple comet hammer. I know it doesn’t buff omega but it dishes a LOOOT of damage with blitz, it is kinda nutty

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Aspect of Eos can literally clutter the screen with so many balls it is actually hilarious

bleak night
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Triple Comet on Eos goes hard yeah

formal pulsar
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But I like it on other torch aspects too. I feel like it adds a lot of damage to a throw and forget button since torch normal special doesn’t really have an animation, just balls spawning next to you.

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Not the best hammer but a good generalist one

bleak night
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For Special builds I suppose, yeah.

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ngl whenever I play a Torch and I don't get Clean Candle it just feels a bit sad, kinda centralizing on all 3 of em

pseudo sequoia
fair horizon
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Triple Comet + Blitz special + Smolder Ring (or Arctic Ring + Arctic Gale), irrespective of aspect it's a super easy way to electro-cook your foes.

lapis star
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can i get a build for melinoe coat?

fair horizon
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A Hitch build based on Triple Comet can also be nice.

fair horizon
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Mix dash-strikes, regular specials (to apply Blitz), attacks.

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The hammer that causes your regular attacks to have a chance of shooting specials is also very good.

bleak night
cursive oyster
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@wicked haven #h2-feedback message
bbbing a boon adds that god to the pool, so in your example you can see hestia again

bleak night
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Wave Strike and Static Shock and you just spam Dash attacks for the most part

slate trench
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just got cheese'd so hard by chronos lol one of his freeze bubble things was perfectly positioned over the safe space during his 1 hit kill, tried to dash into it and froze on the outside and died lmao not sure what else i could even have done there besides time dash iframe somewhere else perfectly

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barely even got hit the whole run smh RIP

bleak night
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what were you playin

slate trench
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thanatos 50f

bleak night
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ah, classic

slate trench
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lol yea i guess its what i get for not throwing on the tooth just in case

median anvil
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doesn't tooth disable strength?

slate trench
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yea it does

bleak night
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since it restores you to 101 HP and you have strength active again when you die

median anvil
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what's strength's damage reduction at max level?

bleak night
median anvil
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ehhhh is it really better than death?

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I've been doing pretty good with 2 defiances at ~8 fear range so far

slate trench
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in most cases I would say so, the damage boost is big and the damage reduction makes hp/healing a lot more useful

bleak night
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It also comes with 25% more damage from all sources so it kinda goes hard

median anvil
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🤔

slate trench
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the damage is also really helpful with timer 3 if you eventually turn that on, just sucks if you die to something dumb like i did

bleak night
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Also if you have healing on, that healing is effectively doubled as well because of that 50% reduc. You can compound it with Weak for 65% damage reduction, too.

median anvil
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well i definitely have to try it once i max it

formal pulsar
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Also the thing I like about strength is that without vow of scars, it is FAR easier to go back to full health. If you lose a dd you have to get lucky to get offered one in a well or a shop. But you can get healing easier and more frequently

slate trench
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strength+weak+heph gain is actually really good, you barely even notice casual monster hits that would add up to a lot normally

median anvil
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well a lot of my opinions changed in h1 when i started doing allspects 32 heat, maybe some stuff are worse or better at high fear

slate trench
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personally I think its also just more fun to hit harder, I would probably use it even if it was worse than DDs lmao

bleak night
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Oh Strength is kinda turbo god tier in low to mid fear. In high fear it's still great but it doesn't benefit as much from healing, even with scars 2 only

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It's just good throughout

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Only time I will prefer death defiances over Strength are 50 fear Surface runs

median anvil
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Typhon's laser doing 100 damage 💀

formal pulsar
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Stick to his chin

median anvil
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yeah i did realize that by myself, really funny

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died to it my first attempt though

twilit tendon
formal pulsar
bleak night
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I died to the egg dropping on my head and doing 60 damage recently

twilit tendon
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I know people have theorized (myself included) that his EM version will feature echnidna, but what if it featured ||his arms|| instead ? xD

median anvil
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typhon is the opposite of chronos in that he doesn't do a lot of attacks simultaneously but each attack hits HARD

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chronos phase 2 just feels like playing touhou

formal pulsar
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You guys think strength damage was also supposed to be upgradable but SGG were like no this is too much. It is the only thing in the arcana text that is written in green but doesn’t actually change when you upgrade the card

twilit tendon
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Typhon is litteraly TBoI's Mega Satan

slate trench
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I think its at a good place

formal pulsar
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Every other number written in green changes with rarity/poms

median anvil
slate trench
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does it upgrade if you get it with circe?

twilit tendon
cursive oyster
formal pulsar
formal pulsar
cursive oyster
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yea

polar prawn
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Okay, I had to try Clang Gang

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I get it now...so much fun

formal pulsar
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Does the speedrunning board still require to show a death? I am asking since the new incantation resets the seed

mild phoenix
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No, either works

candid ledge
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also does anyone know what the change to Heph legendary was for xinth?

nova cairn
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love having hera boon keepsake equipped for all of rift of thessaly and olympus and not seeing her once very cool

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went an entire run no bourne gain and i'm still trying to momus, very cool

vital ledge
fading shore
obsidian remnant
obsidian remnant
candid ledge
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I'm seeing more and more people avoiding debt for 32+ surface fear...I should really experiment with it. The logic being a lot more shopping opportunities because of hermes shrines

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I would probably trade time for forfeit though...or wards + hordes for timer

E: 100% I'd turn on scars and remove hordes though

obsidian remnant
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ohhh i actually dont have, uh, so i have forfeit but not the one below it that removes unchosen boons

vital ledge
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never really tried the 5 min timer as pretty much every run is around 18 to 22 minutes, even if my build is somewhat good (which it wasn't here because of stupid onion).
if the runs were consistently below 20 I'd give it a try

candid ledge
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tbh Schicksal it's all effing Ephyras fault. that region is by far the worst of hades 1 + 2 on max timer

vital ledge
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this one was 27 minutes just because my boons were completely terrible hah

obsidian remnant
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yeah i’m trying to get below 20 as well, i cant do 5

candid ledge
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they did make Olympus a lot more viable with max timer with -1 room

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if you don't get medea and/or artemis in Ephy it is super miserable I won't deny it 😦

obsidian remnant
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i’m usually 18-24 but typically right around 22, never consistently below 20 above 16 fear

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heracles pauses it too yeah?

candid ledge
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yes good call. forgot for a sec

obsidian remnant
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also athena can cut a rooms time in half or more!

candid ledge
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obviously seeing Icarus and Dio Circe etc are nice too but mainly Ephyra needs the help

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The worst part is often times you're incentivized to hit Ephyra town rooms in a certain order for your build which requires you to run around and lose precious time

obsidian remnant
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part of my problem is the extra rooms and running around to grab things in a certain order

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YES LOL

candid ledge
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if it was 6 minutes just for Ephyra i honestly feel like I could manage it more frequently. Thessaly is do-able and so is the summit.

obsidian remnant
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i also have trouble seeing where some things like minor rewards drop when i’m in thessaly or olympus

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it has taken me an embarrassing amount of time to find ashes before

candid ledge
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thessalys issue is revenants and medea gold spawning on the fire

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just fade me to black bro. we've been asking for that to not happen forever 😠

same with how the skulls got stuck in Oceanus to inaccessible water and you just cried

formal pulsar
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Some rooms in ephyra are just terrible and others are small so you can clear it very fast. And the waves are just obnoxious. There is no worse feeling than if you are tight on time on ephyra and just you thought you cleared the room another wave spawns

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It does suck when a room with bad layout has a critical boon/hammer/big heart that you need

candid ledge
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I think if I ever manage to reach 40f attempts on surface I'll have to start picking my Ephyra rooms based on the layout -- since it's fixed based on location

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At least partially/to an extent

vital ledge
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40 sounds rough on the surface

candid ledge
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yeah I'm not close to that level yet. I have not practiced surface much at all because it was incomplete. Just wanted to always check out every new region as it came out + farm resources for unlocks

left moat
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can typhon be scorched? i think i read something saying he can't and i just realized that mid heavy scorch build

sage flame
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I don't think so, he should be scorch-able

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that would be ridiculous if he was tbh

candid ledge
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I don't believe any mobs or enemies have immunity or resistance to anything that isn't named Freeze.

left moat
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okay good

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i think i saw someone say it was a bug or something on the reddit

candid ledge
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oh...that could be true I don't know every single bug unfortunately 😦

you can be the one to test it 😉

left moat
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okay im pretty sure he does, just beat him. there isn't a scorch visual or anything so i think its easy for it to seem like that, but given how fast that fight went i dont think its possible i did that damage otherwise

sage flame
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oh yeah prob cause people can't see the orange on the health bar

candid ledge
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i don't remember...does typhon show origination on his model*

left moat
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and there's no particle like on most other enemies

sage flame
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I'd have to go off the sounds

candid ledge
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once he's in phase 4 only attack him 1 attack at a time and see if scorch kills :^)

sage flame
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most of the curse vfx I think are way high on the screen somewhere on him but I could be crazy

candid ledge
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or check your numbers with and without origination and see if it's turned on when attacking him

prime moon
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does anyone know how to build the argent skull? its the only weapon i havent ompleted a run with

left moat
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i was in your situation hard for a while, but i read one thing that changed that a lot: it's not really a ranged weapon. use aspect of madea, its kinda unintuitive but once you get used to using it in melee it makes a lot of sense

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i just did a typhon clear with it

prime moon
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ive been trying aspect of persephone to asbolutely no avail

candid ledge
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Medea --> take zeus special --> take a cast or attack to enable Origination (arcana card). Just spam left and right click through the enemies and watch them disappear

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Mel skull --> honestly you can take a ton of stuff here. Lots of builds are viable. Just practice using the weapon more than focusing on the build imo. Stuff like Heph or Hestia isn't great. Apollo is sub-par IMO but you can manage anything else imo

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Once you're comfortable with the playstyle many builds will help you clear !

mystic rock
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I'm still pretty early game, yall recommend strength over deaths defiance if both are level two? 2 deaths defiance vs 40% DR

signal coral
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i think you should get used to playing with strength

left moat
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i just did one that worked super well, my best surface time, i did scorch attack and special with aphrodite/hestia duo boon to make scorch do infinite

signal coral
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imo strength is currently typically better than DD, so you should get used to strength damage thresholds and the playstyle

left moat
mystic rock
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alrighty thanks for the input I'll try it out for a bit 🙂

signal coral
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not that DDs are bad, they're still very good, but strength is better on average so might as well get used to it
if it ever gets nerfed you can go back to DDs

mystic rock
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I think I'm doing pretty well, killed chronos like 3x in a row and I'm only on night 25 or something? but no lotus is killing me I want to try the surface runs XD

candid ledge
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I've never looked back!

mystic rock
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I bet I'll choke and get insta killed by chronos first time I fight him with strength 😛

signal coral
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level 2 strength is effectively x1.66 health if you go in with a full hp bar, 2 dds is x1.8 health with a full hp bar
but strength also multiplies any healing you receive by x1.66 effectively, and it also makes room clears easier

candid ledge
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I honestly think DDs are better for new players because they give you opportunities to learn and practice fights, bosses, enemies etc.

mystic rock
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I still get hit by that move every once in a while but it's fine cause I have more lives

signal coral
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so strength really benefits from higher levels of the arcana that gives healing per room, flat hp, and hp per 5 rooms

mystic rock
mystic rock
signal coral
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also really benefits from frinos being maxed

candid ledge
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Yeah strength really shines the most once you're maxed out. Since it's effectively a "multiplier" on many things as Silly said.

Stick with DDs and just have fun and get used to things SJx

signal coral
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i guess +max hp also gets multiplied by DD

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but +healing is only multiplied by strength

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so wayward son + any fountains you drink from are effectively buffed

candid ledge
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It does other minor things too like making charon wells/charon shop before Chronos slightly less rng. Since it removes DD re-fill purchases 😛

pale cedar
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Hi, been a hot minute since I've played (2 major updates) - Could anyone link me to popular builds for the arcana cards, just want to get a running start and adjust later

mystic rock
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he goes over his "default" setup at the start then talks about each card if you want more details

pale cedar
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Appreciated

mystic rock
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good timing to ask the qustion lol I was just watching the video 😛

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hmm, any good trinkets to use with strength arcana? the "more dmg to last enemy who killed you" is my go-to if I died to the boss last run but otherwise I always use the deaths defiance one

signal coral
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evil eye sucks

candid ledge
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i would say I still prioritize just getting my build online with trinkets. Strength is just always working.

Obviously you _""cannot"" _ use Skelly tooth or Moros pin without disabling strength.

mystic rock
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yeah I use god trinkets early on, just wondering what's good for the boss. I thought evil eye was pretty decent lol why is it so bad?

signal coral
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30% damage versus one enemy is not good

mystic rock
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to be fair the only fight I was having any issue with was chronos but that makes sense once I start adding more fear

signal coral
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for general dps, metallic droplet, lion fang, and blackened fleece will be better

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antler is the highest dps you can get but its kind of hard to take unless you're really good at the game

mystic rock
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is there a page on the wiki that explains how gods/boons work? iirc in hades 1 you had a limit of 3 "normal" gods for a run

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yeah I'm not gonna be using antler any time soon I take way too much damage, try to build pretty tanky still

signal coral
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obviously dont take fleece if your weapon doesnt spam omega

mystic rock
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I'll look up those trinkets thanks 🙂

signal coral
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also if you're using DD, engraved pin is by far the best "dps" keepsake, but it doesnt work well with strength

candid ledge
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well generally:

  1. hard to keep evil eye set on the person you want without going through painstaking effort
  2. skelly tooth if you feel scared of dying to chronos too much
  3. moros pin if you feel scared of dying to the chambers before chronos too much*
  4. knuckle bones if you feel you have a good build but maybe with low DPS so you'll need to survive longer/you need practice on the fight
  5. Offensive stuff:
  • Droplet for super fast weapons (think about staff left click build or daggers etc).
  • Fleece for omega spamming weapons (IF its turned on!)
  • Lion Fang is like....ok imo. if you have the Duo that makes Keepsakes +1 level then it's actually a very high damage boost
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basically what Silly said honestly...

neon crown
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just realized ive had half a scentence typed up here for several hours

signal coral
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droplet is actually just goated for omega weapons

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the increased channel speed is a lot of dps

mystic rock
candid ledge
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I guess it also depends on your mana level/mana regen confidence too

mystic rock
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I really want to start doing surface runs to unlock more stuff but RNG hates me for some reason, serious lotus drought happening I swear it's been ten runs since I saw one

civic ocean
signal coral
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well think about lion fang this way
evil eye gives +30% damage vs chronos
if you take minimum fights in tartarus, lions fang is +25% damage into chronos
it's not a big difference

but also lions fang makes room clears in tartarus a lot easier whereas evil eyes does nothing

candid ledge
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oh yeah Lions Fang > evil eye. I didn't even bother mentioning the latter bc it just feels kinda meh

mystic rock
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can I see the duo boons in-game at some point? I remember unlocking that in hades 1 made the game a lot more enjoyable

civic ocean
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I think Lion Fang is probably much better in Erebus than Tartarus personally but if you really lack damage it could work I suppose

candid ledge
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You know I kept my lions fang at 3 chambers away from levelling up for months in case I ever needed to cheese a 40f win but it never ended up mattering goalonglaugh

signal coral
candid ledge
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so i decided to just max it out so all trinkets were done

signal coral
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idk what the hades 2 terminology for codex is so I just said "book"...

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i dont like how this game renames some things because i keep being hades 1 brain

candid ledge
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Family Disputes

loud moat
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Speaking of keepsakes and Cherished Heirloom, if you pay attention, it not only boosts the level of keepsakes but will reset any god keepsakes you have equipped at the time you obtain it also.

So getting that Heroic Hera/Demeter core boon at the beginning and then once cherished hits, being able to boost just 1 more boon you get from them.

If anyone is thinking about optimization when it comes to Cherished Heirloom. I love that boon. Works wonderfully for Hex builds too.

mystic rock
neat pier
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Does anyone have a Momus build?

spare kite
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Clang clang

loud moat
# neat pier Does anyone have a Momus build?

Usually Heph to aim for legendary and increase fire rate. Apollo is also amazing on attack and his dash increases your speed and applies a curse for origination. Legendary also means your omegas cast 2 times, even in turret form.

After that its whatever floats your boat. Either Hera or Ares for magic regen and then your 4th is whatever god works for you.

Demeter for freeze
Zeus for blitz. New boon arc flash procs blitz on omega strikes.

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As long as you have the magic to burn (Mortal or Born gain), you can run anything on Momus.

indigo terrace
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What specials are best for a Mel Torches or Aspect of Eos build? Haven't used either all that much because of Moros. Was planning on doing a Zeus blitz build but is there a better option for the special?

neat pier
loud moat
loud moat