h2-builds-and-combat

[analog ether]

What are the thoughts on the Ares boons?

[bleak night]

pretty good

[cinder palm]

I still have no idea how wound works lol

[surreal hazel]

Blood drops are fun but a bit understated, primary bons are good

[bleak night]

It does nothing on its own

[past salmon]

every 3 seconds big damage

[surreal hazel]

turns out that falling swords are not Doom at all, they don't stick to the target

[bleak night]

it's just a curse that lasts for 3 seconds, but when it expires, the reapplication is +50power on that move

[past salmon]

Wound itself does nothing moves just get +50 power on the hit that applies the wound

[bleak night]

You need extra boons to make Wound itself have a use

Wound counts for Origination though

[analog ether]

I enjoyed having Blade Rift again.

[bleak night]

it's sadly a little offputting

[cinder palm]

Ohhh I see lol

[solid latch]

kind of a newbie and im struggling with getting proper DPS with Xinth, Zeus blitz on the special attacks should be good right?

[bleak night]

The damage isn't rapid, it does it every second. They should maybe cut the damage in half and make it apply over half second, because the visual makes it seem like it should do rapid damage

[cinder palm]

Blade rift is lowkey fun tho

[stable lichen]

shame it doesn’t charge persephone

[bleak night]

get Poseidon Attack and Zeus Special, yeah. Static Shock also from Zeus should round your damage up

Then get Hephaestus for defensives + one of his core boons so you can get the Zeus-Heph duo, last god can be Ares or Demeter depending on what you want

[cinder palm]

Also gotta do an ares rush run sometimes ngl

[stable lichen]

i love the sfx for it

[solid latch]

Thanks!

[analog ether]

Ares Infusion felt nuts.

[bleak night]

Use a weapon with Omega spam as well if you wanna go that route

[hollow prawn]

Haven't noticed that personally, I think you should post that in feedback

[dense turret]

is there a guide somewhere on the omega combo stuff, failing to figure it out

[bleak night]

Cut Above also makes swords + the Ares-Heph and Ares-Apollo duo make the dropping swords so good

[cinder palm]

What does olympian dmg include btw? Is it stuff like poseidon waves and hep's blast?

[bleak night]

omega combo? Like, from the Arcana with crits ?

[dense turret]

yeah

[bleak night]

just use different omegas successively and there should be an icon of something above Mel

[past salmon]

yeh so just
Not weapon damage basically

[dense turret]

alright

[cinder palm]

So what I'm hearing is new heartthrob buff

Throbbing time

[bleak night]

[stable lichen]

isn’t there an ares aph duo for heartthrobs

[bleak night]

yeah

[cinder palm]

Goddamn tall order is really tall now huh? I basically won't ever have it without chaos' creation ngl

[stable lichen]

8 of one element not 8 of each thankfully

[analog ether]

Clearly your challenge is to now get all three hearthrob duos at the same time.

[cinder palm]

Oh. Thought it was all 8 😭

[cinder palm]

So basically hep aphro ares and apollo

Surely possible to get like 4 duo boons

[stable lichen]

is it just me or is scalding vapour broken

the technical kind of broken

[willow phoenix]

same

[cinder palm]

I think they changed the vfx for it you can barely notice it anymore

[willow phoenix]

I got it twice but never procced it

[willow phoenix]

I don't think I saw any damage tbh

[analog ether]

The "it's complicated" trio, while Apollo is just watching the chaos and vibing 🤣

[willow phoenix]

and the description said 0 damage too so just weird all around

[cinder palm]

He's gonna make a banger ballad about this later

[willow phoenix]

Definitely Apollo Artemis duet for ending song no

[cinder palm]

Goddamn I love the artemis and mel duet so much

Clears good riddance I fear...

[mild sparrow]

are there like, arcana combinations that maximise both higher rarity/duo boons?

like, are there references i can use perhaps

[proven citrus]

i have a setup that turns on divinity and the queen but excellence is soooo expensive i don't touch it

[willow phoenix]

Divinity and queen is easy enough to get. Excellence is possibly the worst arcana card of them all so yeah don't touch lol

[bleak night]

just having Divinity is enough usually

[mild sparrow]

alright

[willow phoenix]

I wonder if it's still that bad if it's 100% at least rare though

[mild sparrow]

i'll keep excellence off. is the divinity upgrade worth btw? the one that uses the void lens

[proven citrus]

yes

i mean they're all worth having just for the sake of it eventually, but divinity is an awakened card so it's free if you complete a row or column

[analog ether]

Thinking about what the best cast stack would be, now that Ares is in the mix.

[surreal hazel]

It doesn't tell you this, but chaos' favour boon has a bonus 5% legendary chance and 10% epic chance (regardless of rarity)

[willow phoenix]

That's interesting lol

[mild sparrow]

oh thats cool

[analog ether]

Mostly because I think it would actually work well on Typhon.

[proven citrus]

hostile enviornment, local climate, geyser spout are all the boons that directly increase your omega cast damage

[surreal hazel]

Typhon won't exactly dodge the swords

[proven citrus]

more or less

[sly plaza]

Let’s go!

[proven citrus]

momus for three casts on every cast

[analog ether]

Prom flare would actually do pretty well.

[proven citrus]

i dislike prominence flare

[surreal hazel]

Ah, meat Grinder, Prominence Flare and Gyser Spout are all mutually exclusive

[proven citrus]

the stronger your cast is, the worse prominence flare is because it adds an additional cooldown to your cast

[sly plaza]

Yeah Typhon gets absolutely eaten by prom flare or the new Zeus boon

He looks scary until you realise he doesn’t exactly move a whole lot

[proven citrus]

much prefer meat grinder which has no such cooldown or geyser spout which adds power (so it can be multiplied)

hypotheticallyyyyyyy glorious disaster can work but honestly i avoid it like the plague because of 1. my dislike of prominence flare and 2. the fact that it takes like ten minutes to channel

[surreal hazel]

needs winner's circle

[proven citrus]

atp half the cast builds do

or at least half the casts builds would strongly benefit from it

[surreal hazel]

disaster needs it

[proven citrus]

true

maybe i'll try a disaster build for my momu run

[willow phoenix]

Does charon still not proc glorious disaster?

[surreal hazel]

it procs a standard omega

disaster is not a standard omega

[proven citrus]

you have to channel it to 45 magick for it to go off

[willow phoenix]

Glorious disaster channels much faster though, so it feels pretty good as a standalone thing

[proven citrus]

it's like a cast you do after you cast

[vale shard]

Its still a chore ngl

[proven citrus]

before this patch i thought that the 6 for frosty veneer was difficult, 8 is a real mountain to climb

[vale shard]

Yeah

[jovial cove]

you could say it's a tall order

[solid latch]

I am not sure how sure how combos (not duos) works, like The night card (Omega combos gets a critical hit chance) so i thought i would use this with Xinth special combo (repeat omega special according to wiki. but i can't get combos to work, any tips?

[surreal hazel]

alternate

omega special, omega attack, omega cast

never repeat one one of those

[solid latch]

oh okay thanks! might have just misunderstood something in the wiki on second thought

yep just got it to work. thanks again

[glossy rivet]

is blade rift damage boosted by omega cast bonuses like demeters?

[bleak night]

I don't think so? Give it a test

[jovial cove]

kinda wish there was a "biggest damaging attack" stat I think I hit over 5000 with ares and artemis blades

[willow phoenix]

oh cool that morphing charybdis tentacles to sheep prevents them from burrowing, you can burst charybdis down with this

[glossy rivet]

twisting crash vs mega driver skull
which one is better?

[bleak night]

what aspect are you playing

[proven citrus]

it shouldn't be

omega cast damage modifiers only affect the normal chunk of damage you get from the end of your plain omega cast specifically

[glossy rivet]

momskull

[willow phoenix]

I never realized bottomless drink can affect cast. I used it on demeter cast and each tick dealt 160 damage

[bleak night]

Twisting Crash

[willow phoenix]

hmm pan with coffin nail and cut above didn't seem as strong as I thought it would be. Even with coffin nail you only get 2 cut above proc in one o spec

[bleak night]

yeah it's better on Momus

[proven citrus]

i just got a momu clear with knivespam ye

[willow phoenix]

I just realized wouldn't this mean grape juice can buff lunar ray? I'm gonna try it and see how fast I can melt typhon

[bleak night]

I don't think so ?

[willow phoenix]

It buffs your next move, since it works on cast I thought hex would count too

[desert mountain]

https://imgur.com/a/2bfBd5D
How does this work with Base Aspect?

[willow phoenix]

yes

it adds to it I think

[desert mountain]

Aight bet

[glossy rivet]

what kind of momus build is that? stacking ares knife drops?

[bleak night]

Cut Above + having all three of your echo orbs from Omega Attack, Omega Special, and Omega Cast active

but it seems like Cut Above is better on Mel Torches or Moros anyway

[glossy rivet]

hmm ok could try momus for typhon next, skull felt meh

[bleak night]

Sword drop builds need a duo before it becomes good is the thing, either the Apollo or Heph one, but both is rly good

[willow phoenix]

the duos make the swords go insane with increase aoe, double swords, and faster drop

[bleak night]

too bad you kinda need that much RNG in order to get it popping

I barely get duos as is, but I don't have Queen active so I may need a new page for some fun runs

[glossy rivet]

i was gunning for a blade rift momskull, only got a white one and not a lot of +cast dmg boons

[proven citrus]

blade rifts don't charge the momskull anyways

[bleak night]

Blade Rift might need Winner's Circle + Ares-Dem Duo to be good

that way you can have many active + they orbit you

[proven citrus]

you don't really need the ares-dem duo for meat grinder to pay off but if you're casting anyways i suppose it helps

[willow phoenix]

winner's circle is so good I'm afraid they're gonna nerf it lol

[proven citrus]

it's really good

but also situational so who knows

[bleak night]

does Meat Grinder have a dmg boost

[proven citrus]

there's nothing that specifically boosts the damage from meat grinder

just global damage buffs like origination and the weird "god effects" ones like from rallying cry and extended family

[bleak night]

that's kinda cheeks no ?

[proven citrus]

it's just something to make your cast stronger

not really like a build-around boon

[glossy rivet]

whats a reliable skull build anyway i need to use it on typhon for the prophecy

[proven citrus]

medea or persephone

medea is higher risk for higher reward

you throw aphro on the attack, blitz on the special, and get in a good rhythm of just bombing your enemies with a ton of damage

persephone i've been liking winner's circle and anvil ring

[bleak night]

Medea with Ares Attack and Zeus Special with Hephaestus and Aphro for support should be an instawin

Heph for armour + maybe the Cast or Gain, Aphro for the Dash or Gain for Weak application

[past salmon]

Mel skulls is rlly good now. Run Apollo attack if no vow of wards and Hera attack otherwise.

Use your Omega attack sometimes! It got buffed significantly

[bleak night]

guessing you're not going for a super hard difficulty so Ares on attack should be enough, you mostly want it for Grievous Blow ?

[bleak night]

you rly like that now huh

[proven citrus]

but it's not as cool....

[bleak night]

to be honest, Mel Skull is kinda cool now

[past salmon]

Idk man
Bolstered+wide grin O-Attack spam is pretty cool

[bleak night]

using special in the vicinity (super generous range) of your ammo just lets you get it back

so the old issues with Mel Skull just aren't a thing anymore

[proven citrus]

not as cool as being a human bomb or being invincible for 80% of the time with your specials imo

does wide grin give you the full power benefit now?

[bleak night]

true, but still, ranged gameplay is usually safer and better for clears

[pseudo sequoia]

im quite partial to fetching + bolstered mel skulls now bc it literally just turns the aspect into a gun

[past salmon]

Medea is the coolest thing in the game I will not argue
Persephone on the other hand is only cool if you spam O-Attack on it 🔥

[pseudo sequoia]

hell even without bolstered it's pretty fun

[past salmon]

No but it makes O-Attack very good lol so

[proven citrus]

in that case you'd probably prefer persephone for the omega damage

gets kinda washed out with boons though, especially weed killer

[stable lichen]

yeah esp for only 25% bonus damage, while i can get 40% with an epic hera family favourite boon by doing actually nothing

[past salmon]

Sure but Mel skulls is more fun assuming you don't get wide grin
Also better

[proven citrus]

ah yeah

[stable lichen]

does wide grin work with the mel skulls bonus

[past salmon]

Unless it changed this patch no

[stable lichen]

bruh

[past salmon]

I can't say I've actually tested it tho so maybe

[proven citrus]

did they always refer to the persephone skull omega special as "sprouted"

[past salmon]

Where TF does it call it that lol

[stable lichen]

nah they changed the wording this patch

it’s the exact same weapon though nothing practical was changed

[past salmon]

Also possessed array is just an always pick on any skull I think
Magick can be harder to sustain cuz of the "nerf" but the base kit O-Attack buff just makes it insane so

[proven citrus]

possessed array actually ate up my born gain for once

i was at like 200 magick with a heroic born gain and i got to like 80% of typhon's health before it gave out

primed way too much that run tbf

[willow phoenix]

Oh does it trigger it automatically? It did the same for me with mortal gain lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1297509307901808664/1342465068721377290/image.png?ex=67b9bb86&is=67b86a06&hm=c16a28aebca29c6b07dac2e41e6da48c96e89e05564a82f7e13d0ffe1904c025&

Anyone know how burnt offering is calculated? I got +25 magick on ash pickup and +50 on double ash in oceanus, kinda insane

I have 400 magick in oceanus now

[past salmon]

Awesome now you can never need that 400 magick but at least it looks cool

[proven citrus]

it's maybe the new sauce for uncanny fortitude and hearty appetite

[bleak night]

weird

[proven citrus]

it's 5 per individual ash, so a stack of 5 (the normal amount) with give you 25

i didn't realize the rarity scaled the number of ashes the boon drops instead of the magick gained per ash, that's extremely weird

[willow phoenix]

wait then shouldn't it give 20 now with the buff from the boon

or is it just the ashes received on boon pickup

huh burnt offering actually solved magick problems, I didn't expect it to give this much

[proven citrus]

+15 ashed recieved = the boon immediately creates 3 ash pick-ups when you take it

kind of like premium vintage in hades 1 where it spawns a nectar for you to take

[willow phoenix]

now if only I can get possessed array to eat all this 400 magick

[proven citrus]

ugh i really wish chaos spawned more on the surface

i wanna do a mel skull run now with a big chant

chant is hard enough to get and scale as it is though

[glossy rivet]

oh my fricking gods man
entire momus run and only got offered ares like three times man never offered me cut above even once

i even got the apollo and heph duo (sword cast LOL) and premium service for the super rapid pops

got winners circle and ares + dem duo too lmao
everything BUT cut above

[mild sparrow]

is there a trick to dodging the typhon head smash? it always gets me

[bleak night]

dash away rather than sideways

if you dash sideways, the tusks can also hit you

[mild sparrow]

hm noted

is there a particular timing for it?

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1342429742753648762/HEADBANGER_SPAM.mp4?ex=67b99a9f&is=67b8491f&hm=b62422dc2b917cf0ceb28ce24afb8b8c9223ef5724c1f0189259c5399ab8d06b&

[rich belfry]

what build i can do with lim and oros aspact of melinoe . i still didnt even beat chronos with this aspect being rank v now .....

[mild sparrow]

ohh

so when the tusks and mouth shine a bit

thats the cue to fall back i see

[willow phoenix]

I like hestia a lot for daggers in general, ares is also really nice. Aphro can also be great, zeus static shock too

[bleak night]

Scorch on Attack and Static Shock, get Hephaestus for the MP Gain or Anvil Ring + defensive boons like Mint Condition and Trusty Shield

[steel sequoia]

55 fear how the heck he doesnt spam everything in the screen like in my 9 fear run? lmao

i got eggs, laser, wind, headbutts, tail i can't even imagine go in higher fears

[bleak night]

if you don't do enough damage during the tongue he apparently just has this weird idle phase where he just spams his head

[steel sequoia]

so smells like a bug?

[bleak night]

probs not, he was just reacting to me

[steel sequoia]

well know i know, never dash sideways just back

[bleak night]

if you check the whole fight he just tosses everything until that one small phase

yeah, pretty much

[steel sequoia]

feels like cheating but i know you are god so its fine i learned something lmao

[bleak night]

what is? Dashing to the side ?

[steel sequoia]

that you can "stuck" the typhon by dashing back

[ember frigate]

do poseidon and ares boons mix well?
im trying to do a 16 fear surface run with black coat but i dont know how to consistantly proc wound effect with poseidon's special

[bleak night]

Wave Attack + Wound Special woudl be preferable

[bleak night]

oh that's just the right way to dodge it lol

[ember frigate]

im mostly spamming special, will it still work?

[bleak night]

probs not as well because your attack is melee and your specials are ranged

[willow phoenix]

Coat dash attack spam seems to be the superior way

[bleak night]

with the reverse you can still use missiles up close when dash attacking (and it lands quicker)

[steel sequoia]

i wanna try persephone to see if the casting pack with ares is good

[bleak night]

it's okay

[steel sequoia]

ive saw momus and charon so far, charon doesnt work so well

[bleak night]

apparently Persephone is rly good with Omega Attack now rather than Omega Special

[steel sequoia]

omega attack?

[willow phoenix]

Silly unintended thing from omega attack buff

[bleak night]

Omega Special is still good but Omega Attack got turbo buffed and Persephone applies that same 30% bonus to it

[willow phoenix]

Persephone has omega damage buff stats

[steel sequoia]

oh i get it now

might try that than

what is the name of that good hammer that helps it?

idk skull stuff i barely play

[bleak night]

Wide Grin makes all your ammo get used up

it's pretty good on it apparently

[steel sequoia]

looks good

im focusing on eos/charon/pan since im out of play for a long time, im playing poe2

[bleak night]

Persephone is fun now with those boosts so imo good idea to give it a go

[proven citrus]

i just posted my persephone/glorious disaster/winner's circle run in boasting

it's like, pretty good

idk if it's something i would go for often because the requirements really are kind of tough. i had air quality too so it was basically the best possible conditions for it

i wouldn't say i was like floored by the effectiveness but it was certainly powerful

the other nice thing was that i had dark side so i could alternate between hex invincibility and persephone special invincibility

it was hard to tell if winner's circle reduced the duration of glorious disaster and i'm probably not gonna go out of my way to test that

[carmine lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064631192491671552/1342493868712661072/image.png?ex=67b9d658&is=67b884d8&hm=395a39408c296689a97318c7804ff67a1758746f0db5226f092e4f62e2464379& excuse me

[bleak night]

story thing

[stable lichen]

what's "typhon mine" supposed to be

dealt 20 damage to me on the victory screen

[carmine lagoon]

probably the red egg things he spawns that if you stand near them explode

[stable lichen]

from the tail fight or the actual bossfight

[carmine lagoon]

i think from the actual thing

[stable lichen]

why doesnt that count towards typhon

imagine if they did a separate category for every single typhon attack

[bleak night]

I think it's because the eggs are their own entity

[carmine lagoon]

i mean aetos is a separate damage listing iirc

[balmy comet]

Anyone that can give me a build for 20 fear staff surface? Its my least favorite weapon and i cant for the life of me get a build that works 😦

[junior trail]

they fixed the coat autofire exploits sadge

no more attack/special spam

[pearl estuary]

What does what are some good builds for the ax just the base. I don’t have the aspects to unlocked yet.

[polar chasm]

Aphro on attack is always good tbh. I'd test out the axe on schelemeus, figure out which move you like best, and just load up boons on that. Would also recommend arcana that boost omegas if you plan on using them

[spare kite]

https://youtu.be/NdXedhIFvR0?si=S505qWpcofLDTn4x the best defense is just being aggresive

[proven citrus]

they (or something basically identical) also spawns in normal summit chambers so maybe it was one of those

[carmine lagoon]

is it just me or has skull attack gotten less accurate at close range?

[regal talon]

So tell me, is there any build to go for with staff that lets me shred things?

Specifically im tackling fear 24

[bleak night]

Zeus Special with Arc Flash and maybe Hera or Ares on Attack, use the Omega Attacks to pop the Blitz

it's super safe because of the general range of the new Special and the Omega Attack

[regal talon]

May i ask why zeus special over something like apollo or ares?

[bleak night]

you use the special to apply Blitz rather than for straight up damage

[regal talon]

I see

[bleak night]

the Special itself is kind of mid, but the range on it is really good for applying curses

[regal talon]

Which staff then would you recommend?

[bleak night]

Momus is the best one, really

[regal talon]

Thoughtso

[bleak night]

whenever the first omega attack pops the blitz, toss out another special and it reapplies Blitz before the echo of the Omega Attack happens

[dawn garnet]

is there any great build guide like this one from the first game? https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-build-guide

[regal talon]

I understand

I'll give it a shot

[magic moss]

no, h2 is still in ea and changing quite a bit so there arent really any long form general guides. Mynt has one for the coat and axe though if you want to check those out

[dawn garnet]

can you send me the link?

[magic moss]

dont have them on hand atm but google "myntkaramell axe guide" or coat and you should fine the links to reddit or the steam workshop

[obsidian stirrup]

Out of curiousity why can't we share images on this channel?

Wouldn't it help to be able to share arcana screenshots?

[bleak night]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1gmp85h/hades_ii_nocturnal_arms_guide_zorephet_the/

[small wyvern]

links embed, so if you upload it to an image hosting site then send the link it will show up

[obsidian stirrup]

so imgur

[bleak night]

I just upload it to a private server, right click it to copy link, then post

[small wyvern]

yep, or a discord link from another server

[obsidian stirrup]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1125230442916876310/1342519580265939035/20250221012519_1.jpg?ex=67b9ee4a&is=67b89cca&hm=3a87c6606d42fb2568900518d22b22b08b8afe4ee184d76117830b763d80779a&

anyone have suggestions for improvements?

[bleak night]

run the entire bottom left

it's worth running 10 rerolls and 300 gold on start

[willow phoenix]

Personally I'd take unseen and eternity off, get boatman and enchantress.

Night and huntress is situational depending on aspect

[bleak night]

imo remove your entire top right

[willow phoenix]

You can probably also fit origination there somewhere

[bleak night]

can probs just turn on Lovers

[uneven palm]

take the rolls and cash

https://imgur.com/a/lol-ares-3cTpBVf New Mel Skulls and Ares is fun haha

[bleak night]

Grievous Blow ?

[uneven palm]

Yeah, Grievous with Posessed + Fetching

[bleak night]

fun fact: Grievous Blow-boosted attacks can still crit

[uneven palm]

that's what's happening I also have Lethal Snare

silly stuff I love it

[bleak night]

you got Success Rate as well ?

[uneven palm]

I think so on that run

[bleak night]

it goes mega hard with rank 4 Antler

[hoary loom]

Damn that was fast, gg

[bleak night]

[brisk geyser]

chatroom whats the play for mel aspect xinth, i know nothing about it other than what the buttons do

[bleak night]

Like, you want a good build ?

[brisk geyser]

yeppers

[willow phoenix]

The easiest and probably best way to play is dash attack spam with poseidon ngl

[bleak night]

Poseidon-Zeus core with Hephaestus goes pretty hard

Wave Strike from Poseidon and Heaven Flourish with Static Shock from Zeus. Add Fixed Gain/Anvil Ring from Heph so you can get the Zeus/Heph duo that makes Static Shock turbo busted

You also just hunt for the Exhaust Riser hammer and spam dash attacks while shooting missiles, for the most part. You can go completely manaless

4th god is your choice of Demeter or Aphrodite

If you want Ares, you may need to replace Zeus Special with Ares Special, but you still want Static Shock off of Zeus

so Poseidon keepsake start and work from there

[brisk geyser]

my goat, tyvm for the whole rundown

[bleak night]

make sure you have Hephaestus on one of your core boons or the Static Shock-based Zeus-Heph duo won't show up

[willow phoenix]

How many times can static shock bounce between two units? Is it just until the limit?

[bleak night]

yeah

it bounces 4x now but Electric Overload adds another 3 and boosts the damage by a bit

[willow phoenix]

Damn that's why heph zeus duo hurts so much lol

[bleak night]

yeah it goes hard

especially on Coat when you dash attack into your enemies

[waxen garden]

the change to the Night arcana card in the latest update makes Charon axe substantially worse

[south copper]

crazy buff to Zeus that his sprint doesn't use mana anymore

[willow phoenix]

It scales well with the new ares stuff like dem ares duo, dem cast damage boon, ares o cast, pos o cast

[bleak night]

Charon can actually scale now with boons. It's weaker early but has the potential to do maybe close to twice the amount of damage per rotation by the end.

[waxen garden]

oh interesting, I didn't see Ares this run

[bleak night]

Poseidon and Demeter's Omega Cast related boons fit Charon really well. Geyser Spout is just pure +150 O-Cast damage as a common level 1, Demeter's is +20% omega cast damage on common, but it doubles that number if you're inside the Omega Cast on eruption, which is how Lucid Gain also works anyway

[waxen garden]

I was also running time slowdown + 30% faster channel speed, is that correct or do I prioritise one over the other?

[bleak night]

faster channel speed doesn't work on Charon, just a heads up

[waxen garden]

still? I know that was an issue before this patch

[bleak night]

it works on your Omega Attack, but not on the omega special, yeah

[spare kite]

Sorc still doesn't work with O.special afaik

[bleak night]

Ares is rly good on Charon

[waxen garden]

huh

[bleak night]

yeah, Ares is really good on Charon

[waxen garden]

I was still going for the old build of Lucid Gain + Heaven Flourish + arbitrary cast

[bleak night]

try out Apollo + Demeter + Poseidon + whoever you want on Special. It goes hard

for Demeter it's Arctic Ring and Local Climate, for Poseidon it's purely Geyser Spout

[waxen garden]

poseidon for omega cast damage?

[bleak night]

Yep, his other boons are still useful early on like Sea Star and stuff

Geyser Spout just scales disgustingly well with poms and rarity

+50 per rarity and like +50 on a level up?

[spare kite]

What's its rarity scaling

[bleak night]

Epic was at 250 iirc

[spare kite]

Jfc

[bleak night]

yeah Charon is weaker early now, but you don't need that much damage for early in the run anyway

[waxen garden]

I thought poseidon was bad on Charon but I guess not anymore

[bleak night]

Local Climate is +10% per rarity and +10% on first pom, but you should probs remember that being in the Omega Cast itself as it explodes doubles that modifier

[bleak night]

nah he's still kinda cheeks on it except for the one boon

it's just that the one boon is kind of what you want the most lol

[sage flame]

put ares on charon special? or are you saying on attack for easy orig tho I assume it'll just work no matter where you put ares

[summer seal]

Where are you slotting Ares when running Charon? Cast and Special?

[bleak night]

Ares on Charon Special is half of origination + if you run Grievous Blow it's basically artillery with Grievous, since O-Cast can get the double damage boost

[sage flame]

rad

[bleak night]

I did a 50F run with Ares Special, Dem Cast

[sage flame]

grievous is so funny

[bleak night]

Grievous Blow is just completely ridiculous is all

can probs just be more consistent with Heaven Flourish or something though but the flexibility on Charon is still a good thing

[sage flame]

ares is the big numbers king now it's so tubular

[bleak night]

the Grievous Wounds-boosted stuff can also crit

[waxen garden]

is the omega move time slowdown arcana card good on Charon?

[spare kite]

How do you feel about zeus special arc flash charon?

[bleak night]

it's more of a preference thing, but you should remember that it's not going to work vs bosses anyway so I just move that 3 grasp to artificer

[bleak night]

It's good, yeah. It's pure consistency vs Ares funny number

[sage flame]

lmao

[spare kite]

Wdym not working

[summer seal]

What does your arcana page for Charon look like with the new changes?

[waxen garden]

oh I didn't realise it wasn't working on bosses, that explains a lot

[bleak night]

apparently time slowdown doesn't work vs guardians

[sage flame]

wait what

[bleak night]

lemme grab a screencap

[sage flame]

wild

[willow phoenix]

Huh what

I didn't notice that at all, I just ran a momus run with eternity

[spare kite]

They are immune to the cast slowing/trapping effect not slowdown in general

If you mean the patch notes

[bleak night]

I don't run the slowdown, but people have told me that they don't get slowed down by it ?

[sage flame]

I didnt really pay attention when I ran slowdown but I did have a vod so im gonna go check

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1342537708186370109/image.png?ex=67b9ff2c&is=67b8adac&hm=639166535f9fc045a3fc8edb227f31d625ed1738dd23e361cb9b741ebfed44af&

Sorceress doesn't work with Omega Special but you want it for Divinity anyway

[spare kite]

Phase shift still works on them no, feels weird if eternity was made an exception

[bleak night]

idk, maybe. I should try it

biggest nerf to Charon this patch is you don't have the top right Arcana for instacharging Hexes anymore

[willow phoenix]

Is messenger not worth it?

[spare kite]

Is the only reason I'm turning eternity on lol

[bleak night]

1 cost cards on the side need to stay so I get higher rarity rates from Divinity

[sage flame]

nevermind I didn't record it

[bleak night]

I'd give up Sorceress for Messenger if I could, but Divinity is worth a lot more than it

[sage flame]

simply run death for the hex charge up smile

[bleak night]

they're really afraid of making that work with Charon lol

[sage flame]

it's only 2 now smile

[bleak night]

because 15% crit chance on Charon might be too much

[sage flame]

real asf

[summer seal]

Awesome, thanks Mynt. That probably works well for Pan and Medea.

Next one I need to figure out is manaless stuff like Mel blades and Mel Coat

[bleak night]

you can remove some stuff from the first column and get Huntress and Messenger on Medea

it still keeps Divinity

[sage flame]

huntress and orig and unga bunga attack and I like messenger too

[bleak night]

Manaless stuff are kinda the same for the most part

[sage flame]

manaless stuff is still similar enough

look at me saying the same thing mynt is saying but slower

[spare kite]

That thing doesn't need passive crit lmfao

[bleak night]

why not?

[spare kite]

[willow phoenix]

Why stop there and not make all the omega attack from torches apply night

Pretty misleading imo to still have the skull symbol but not really apply it

[bleak night]

what aspect even enjoys that besides Momus

[willow phoenix]

Mel staff, selene

[bleak night]

ah right Selene is good with it

[sage flame]

I can see maybe persephone?

[willow phoenix]

Oh right Persephone too

[bleak night]

probs now yeah, Omega Attack got buffed

[willow phoenix]

With winner's circle spamming o cast then o spec is pretty good

[sage flame]

even if you wanna ignore attack, going between ocast and ospecial could sometimes give you crits but idk if the waves from skull ospecial get crits or not, or if it's just direct hits

[willow phoenix]

Does night apply to the entire axe o attack spin?

[bleak night]

I think so

idk I've never ran it lol

[willow phoenix]

Might be worth considering running night on spin to win build then, getting winner circle should make alternating with o cast easier

[sage flame]

it wasn't that good before the update and they didn't buff its stats or anything except it's grasp which is nice tbf but idk how much better it'll be this patch

too bad too, cause it's a cool idea

success rate at least helps

[mild sparrow]

really specific question but i have heroic wave strike and vicious flourish, as well as ares poseidon duo

what god do i add to the mix to make this even better?

im on the xinth rn

[bleak night]

Static Shock

then get Ares' Grievous Blow

[mild sparrow]

noted

[sage flame]

you can also stack more splash effects to maximize the duo value

tho idk how many more there are, there's the new boon that primes some magick

I don't think depth charge counts

[mild sparrow]

got only a rare static shock, oh well

[bleak night]

it should be fine. You have a 4th god ?

[mild sparrow]

ty for the advice! out of curiosity, how do you guys test how well or not well boons and upgrade combos synergise with each other? is it just a lot of playing the game or some other resource/theorycrafting?

[bleak night]

Just do runs early and see what sticks, then share the findings

[mild sparrow]

i used hera to get a boon to heroic, so ares poseidon zeus hera so far

[bleak night]

that's 4 already, should be fine to call it there

what region are you in by now ?

[mild sparrow]

rift of thessaly

[sage flame]

you just pick stuff and see what works tbh sometimes you have ideas of synergies just by reading boons but generally you gotta play it to test it

[bleak night]

put on Aphro or Heph keepsake if you can help it for defensives

Aphro giving you Weak helps a lot on a melee build, so Dash or Gain boon

[sage flame]

pash dash my beloved

[bleak night]

Hera appreciates more than 4 gods with Extended Family

[mild sparrow]

i see i see, understood

is 4 gods the most i should go for for any run? to like not spread myself too thin or something?

[bleak night]

can't naturally get a 5th one unless you enter the 2nd region with a keepsake for a 4th and the shop has a different 4th

the game tries to soft cap you to 4 in essence, but yeah keeping it to 4 is fine

you can force a 5th, 6th or 7th though

god keepsakes ignore the soft cap

[mild sparrow]

thing is, i played hades 1 but i was way younger but i never really paid attention to these things, at most just went with whatever progression a youtuber showed as broken or whatever, its only now that i started to pay more attention to what i have, can get and synergise and stuff

[mild sparrow]

understood

[bleak night]

going 5 on Coat is alright in this case because you seem to have a good offensive core but no defensives

for most people it's 2 offensives and 1 defensive, the last one is utility like Demeter or Apollo

[mild sparrow]

can you elaborate on the offensive and defensive core bit? i dont fully get

[uneven palm]

Thanatos is fun with Night. Get like a 28% crit rate

[sage flame]

surely with how heavy the damage is on the summit, we'll see the rise of dark side meta

all that invuln

surely ......

[bleak night]

you get two gods usually for offensive purposes because it's enough, then you get a defensive one like Hephaestus or Aphrodite (Aphro can be offensive as well, but Weak is really good defensively), then you grab a utility like Demeter to freeze for better crowd control or slow down projectiles with gale

that way you can prioritize the offensive ones to build the secondary boons to bolster the capabilities while the defensive and utility ones can just be left as is because they're good without further boons

usually it's Zeus and Hera for offensive with Demeter for utility and Hephaestus for Defensive, it works for most aspects in the game

[mild sparrow]

i see i see, interesting

i always thought aphro is used for melee builds because close up damage and stuff

but ill keep the defensive core part in mind, its something i end up lacking a lot

[neon crown]

If I wanna do a Spin-to-win Build (preferrrably getting psychic whirlwind) do you reccomend Apollo for the bigger size or just Aphrodite for damage

[bleak night]

go Ares and get Grievous Blow

[neon crown]

also, mel axe or than axe for that type of build

[bleak night]

Than Axe is always better for omega builds, Mel Axe's +35 power thing doesn't apply to spins

[neon crown]

ill try that out once im outta chem class havent done too much with ares yet outside blood drops

[neon crown]

oh it doesnt? that sucks

[spare kite]

Just get seething marauder, same thing

[neon crown]

which one is that?

[spare kite]

Aoe around you on attack, it applies to the spin

[neon crown]

ohhh that one

i love it, gotta memorize boon and hammernames

[bleak night]

yeah it doesn't

[spare kite]

(is not the saaaame thing cuz what buffs it and what not but still pretty good)

[bleak night]

if it did, Mel Axe would just be better because guaranteed +35 per whirl tick (385 damage) is better than 13% crit

[neon crown]

shame that the 13% wont tick up on Omega attacks

[pearl estuary]

What’s a good build for the moonstone axe without any aspects

[neon crown]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1gmp85h/hades_ii_nocturnal_arms_guide_zorephet_the/

this should help out with Mel aspect and the other two when you unlock them

keep in mind this was pre-warsong stuff so some info could be outdated

[bleak night]

still works pretty well, just that the main difference is Ares is good on Axe and the Arcana may be a lil different,

mechanics are still intact, based on the test

[neon crown]

right the arcana names got swapped around

[bleak night]

yeah, Arcana needs a revamp

still, the mechanics clips are good

[neon crown]

had a thought, but is the increased Magick from Hecates Keepsake permanant, or is it lost when unequipped since i was a bit unclear on that

[spare kite]

Permanent

[neon crown]

oh wow

okay thats real nice

spin to win wishes to argue

because bigger number better person

big number make brain go brrrr (also if i get forced into Heph that magick to bonus health is cool)

[bleak night]

consider not getting that much mana

I usually think it's enough if I have 150

the 150 is for actual mana aspects though

Idm turning the entire bar purple for most things

[neon crown]

axe does use a lot though, I never needed much when doing hestia runs on daggers

[bleak night]

it uses a lot if you have Psychic Whirlwind or are using Charon

if you're running Exe chop you can fix that issue completely with Hestia regen

[neon crown]

my favorite Icarus Hammer? oh yeah im using it

[bleak night]

Psychic Whirl eats mp really easily because you usually charge another one while one is active so you can stack them or just keep it perma

[neon crown]

wait they STACK

[bleak night]

did you not know that

you can have multiple psychic whirls active at a time yeah

I think the Apollo legendary makes the duration twice as long instead of making two, it was like that patches ago though

[neon crown]

ive been playing wrong this whole time

[bleak night]

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[neon crown]

<@&456908176877551658> scam?

[indigo walrus]

aa

guys please

[spare kite]

Holy it went to every channel lmfao

[native dove]

It does, you just go spinnnnnnn

[spare kite]

Sorry for the multiple pings 😭

[neon crown]

I cannot believe I’ve been playing psychic whirlwind wrong my entire life

[willow phoenix]

#h2-feedback message

@scenic goblet With 100%+ you don't need to wait the whole second, since it restores over time and not instant after 1 second

[neat pier]

Is there a way to get chaos boons in the surface?

[neon crown]

They do pop up but much rarer than underworld

[willow phoenix]

chaos does appear after some time

[woven bough]

Is it possible to build ares on pan daggers? Or is poseidon/hestia still better?

Hmmm, alright thanks

[neon crown]

trick knifes or reaper knifes on pan (dash-strike specials vs +15 power)

hey i havent played pan

it was liteally on screen

or are you talking about spiral knifes being removed

[sage flame]

yeah trick knives is still in the game

but more power would be the play for pan

[proven citrus]

is hostile enviornment mutually exclusive with glowing coal and lightning lance

[stable lichen]

they WHAT

oh my god, it actually does say “you are free to use your attackS and specialS”

how have i never noticed that

[willow phoenix]

I tried running hestia on torch special for moros and ngl they kinda slap, I might start running it instead of zeus now

[stable lichen]

arc flash though

my new favourite moros build is ares special zeus attack arc flash grievous wounds for constant blitz with the chance of meaty double damage

[stable lichen]

tbh you could probably run zeus on attack and hestia on special

[willow phoenix]

hmm honestly zeus hestia duo might make the hestia special redundant, maybe it can be put on cast instead

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1334746789882105900/1342575817439318016/image.png?ex=67ba22aa&is=67b8d12a&hm=5dd79e67b1b0e5fe4f86a1c34a0924a7453a7964fded803325122d0f9c3ae022&

3k damage on born gain with hera hestia duo

Burnt offering makes fine line and torch actually easily viable lol, very strong

Hmm how does born gain work with brave face? Does it auto trigger when you get hit and run out of magick?

[spare kite]

Yeah lol

Took it once on moros before prom then before the first simon says I primed everything

[willow phoenix]

Ok nice, so I have another way to burn through all 500 magick

[mild sparrow]

any suggestions for 2nd/3rd god(s) to pair with zeus on xinth?

[uneven palm]

Poseidon, Hera, or Ares

[mild sparrow]

ty ty

[willow phoenix]

I tanked chronos OHKO and only primed 54 magick lol

https://steamusercontent-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1792116355953356/33F89BC7C6551788680660AD2F4406795F4DB4ED/
The fine line went crazy. I'm gonna run burnt offering for every torch build now

[sage flame]

oh man what's that duo called, incandescent something?

[willow phoenix]

Incadescent aura

[sage flame]

ah thx

[willow phoenix]

I expected the radius to be bigger with the amount of restore tbh lol, I needed to hug the enemy for it to hit

[sage flame]

yeah the radius isn't great

[willow phoenix]

I wanted to burst chronos with the duo but ended up beating him with the sheer amount of fine line lol

imagine if I had apollo legendary too

I need to try that next

[scenic goblet]

Ooh, interesting, that makes sense now you've explained it, but I feel like it should be better explained in game

[main beacon]

https://imgur.com/a/4HCwaDL is anybody else getting mondo amounts of mana and health after the update lol

i was specifically farming to get ares' legendary boon this time too (didnt get it :/ ) and realized just how stacked i was...

[willow phoenix]

It's much easier to stack health in surface runs with hermes shop being a thing and probably more major rewards too

[gritty oasis]

https://streamable.com/4f0dx2 is ares' wounding mechanic working as intended? I thought that you could wound a target once every 3 seconds (i can describe it as a frontloaded version of blitz) but in this clip i got it to stack for up to 17k damage in a very short amount of time.

I am thinking that the wounding mechanic applied to every strike in a sequence (e.g all daggers from pan O special, all hits from axe OAtk, and EVERY SINGLE TORCH OMEGA ATK)

also, having so much speed from blood drops makes dashing around uncontrollable with the torch dash slip thing

[polar chasm]

Heroic heph attack (4 sec cool down) with upgraded epic vent (550 damage) is so fun

[woven basalt]

guys what aspects do you think best fit the new ares attack/special boons? I feel like ares fills a fantastic niche for slower singular attacks. I've gotten it so feel really well on the cloak's omega attack and the skull's omega attack, which I have used very little. But that's also on very low heat still so am curious what you guys think

[gritty oasis]

https://imgur.com/a/vVR2TOL surely intended right

[woven basalt]

you're getting a powerful flat combat bonus that feels most optimal with attacks you use once per three seconds. Maybe charon axe + Ares could work well with the large amounts of targets hit with wounds

[gritty oasis]

based on what i experienced, its the opposite

[pseudo sequoia]

you probably had one of the boons that gives you bonus damage against wounded enemies (grievous blow or mutual destruction i think?)

[spare kite]

First one is for wounded, the other is based on missing hp

Also those are prob multiple stacking numbers instead of 1 big one

[woven basalt]

I'm curious to yur findings. it's probably fine in low heat regardless since really any build is feasible

[steel sequoia]

i've made a win with ares on momus, ares, static shock and a lot of aphro buffs. took me almost 2 min to win.

[hexed valley]

what’s the meta loadouts for high heat now after the update?

[hazy crater]

are there multiple numbers stacked or is that 1,698,090 damage

question: about how often does blitz activate if you are dealing high damage and constantly reapplying it?

doesnt have to be exact I just need a vauge idea of what its like

[umbral scarab]

Quick question, Eos Torch Daybreaker says that it copies specials but it doesn't?

[pseudo sequoia]

it does, it copies specials after you create it

if you already have an omega special orbiting you beforehand it won't copy that

[umbral scarab]

So let's say I have hestia attack and hera special. Launching the daybreaker would make it pulse hitch attacks? I'm sorry, I just don't get it

[spare kite]

if you press special while the big orb is floating around it will create its own specials

[umbral scarab]

oh that's what it means?

[spare kite]

yes, the pulse is another thing

[umbral scarab]

ahhhh I see

[spare kite]

which I'm not sure if it copies curses? but prob does idk, test it

[umbral scarab]

I always thought it meant that the pulses would copy special effects when applicable

thanks guys ❤️

[sage flame]

it should copy your special boon

[cursive oyster]

its still usually just click hera attack and pray on most weapons

hera heph dem aphro/apollo/zeus is my preferred setup

[echo root]

whats a good build on aspect of artemis?

with raki

[cursive oyster]

at low fear you honestly just wanna get big attack damage so try starting aphro attack and look for wicked onslaught, final slice, or sweeping ambush. if you get the former two use your parry to enhance your basic attack string as much as possible, if you get the latter spam omega attacks. i find glamour gain (aphro) to be a really good gain to apply constant weak as it can easily keep up with arti’s mana requirement.

i know the speedrunning community experimented with using parries to buff the omega special but i’m not too familiar with that playstyle

static shock and engagement ring are both really really good too.

[sage flame]

oh yeah I haven't tried new engagement ring, is the damage similar to the blast damage from last patch?

[spare kite]

no clue but is just really fun

[sage flame]

rad

[cursive oyster]

i believe at common its 20 damage to each enemy per enemy in the cast

[spare kite]

Popping it in a big group and everyone's taking like upwards of 200 dmg

[cursive oyster]

its really good imo

[spare kite]

I love it to clear those dumb olympus zombies

[sage flame]

that's sick

[analog ether]

Think I'm gonna need to try an Ares torch build tonight.

[sage flame]

engagement ring stay winning ig

[cursive oyster]

er is really fun now

rousing reception on the other hand

[spare kite]

I also take it a lot nowadays cuz is king ramson fodder

[echo root]

engagement ring? is that a keepsake?

[cursive oyster]

hera’s cast

[echo root]

ah

[gritty oasis]

I know its long but bear with me; ares dmg% scaling sucks real bad, its a given that you get way more atk with someone like aphro or a more flexible pick like hera. +50 power for a single instance which on paper is alot for even screenshot damage like coat Oatk, blades Oatk or axe Ospecial but you arent getting far in total damage, what's great about ares is his other boons, infinitely stacking atk/move speed, easily accessible crits, bonus damage for single target.

What you'd want is ares wounding boon to be an offhand to your primary source of damage (if you are using pan for example, take ares atk boon and poseidon special. Any other weapon is prolly something like aphro, apollo or hera), you keep applying wounding once in a while with any attack and get all benefits from ares' other boons while getting optimal damage from poseidon special for each of your daggers.

What I want to say is, you want ares wounding boon to be on something that can constantly apply wounding to a target every 3 seconds while you take anything else on your onhand for an even greater scaling dmg. Even in my video, i wouldve preferred if ares atk and zeus special were the other way round.

After writing this, I think I am coming from a speedrun perspective (because i think Ares is really good for clearing stuff fast without any boon-cucking vow) instead of a high vow perspective.

[spare kite]

Boon-cucking is new

[unique perch]

Maybe i just dont know good build are. Never feel like anything particarly works together, first game just the weapons felt more distinct of for who they should be used with

[gritty oasis]

Getting onions for breakfast instead of possible ares boon for each region is depressing

[frigid stone]

whats the most cheesiest build - I feel like the torches are easiest but I still am too braindead to play with something like moros where I basically have to hold the omega special and walk up

melinoe is just a simple stand and shoot

[spare kite]

Mel torches fine line + righteous pike

[gritty oasis]

pan and poseidon is cheesy for me

[spare kite]

Oh yeah pan exists lol

[gritty oasis]

the build completes itself then and there

[frigid stone]

I used to try that but it hasn't been hitting as hard nowadays I feel like. So much charging up - the hammers have to be essentially really good for it to actually be cheese

could be that I'm also not picking up the rest of the good boons

[unique perch]

maybe i just miss the gun alot

[frigid stone]

what's the best melinoe torch build

[gritty oasis]

it is cheese, what you're finding is "really busted" type of cheese. You still have aimbot with it, you got decent AOE, you erase blue shields really easily and the build is not dependent on any other specific gods as its quite flexible. You efficiently built it with anything and it will still be strong

there are many sources of cast time reduction and you can pick what god's magick regen you want

[gritty oasis]

multiple numbers stacked but theres 16980

[frigid stone]

theres some that are def cheesier like the heartthrob apollo duo with hammer

[gritty oasis]

well, y'see you have to get aphro heartthrob, apollo requirement, and get duo boon as well. alot of requirements you have to look out for to even finish the build

In gaming, "cheese" means to win a battle or complete a challenge by using a strategy that is considered cheap, unfair, or exploits a glitch in the game design, essentially gaining an advantage with minimal skill or effort, often by taking advantage of unintended mechanics or design flaws; essentially, "cheesing" is a way to beat a game without playing it "fairly.

• Google AI

[umbral scarab]

Best boons to go with a coat special build? I assume Poseidon?

[gritty oasis]

yes, think of it as another pan build

[umbral scarab]

Funny you say that, I just started using a pan build yesterday, and it's already my third most favorite build

just behind the Axe normal attack spam and Staff Oattack spam

[gritty oasis]

i might have to tweak my settings for coat special, i dont like how i drift and spin 180 degrees slowly after doing dash>Ospecial with coat

[unique perch]

i dont think i have ever had a build in this that feels super strong

[umbral scarab]

I feel like the Ospecial for the coat isn't that worth it compared to Pan Ospecial, since while it does lock on, it lacks speed

[valid pine]

Throw some Ares in there to get poseidons duo boon

[frigid stone]

it is a cheap and unfair strategy to get something that broken and absolutely requires minimal skill (stand and hold a button after placing a cast which holds enemies in place) - sure it has some "conditions" to get it, but with keepsakes and rerolls, especially for surface route where you can literally roll the gods you want with minimal effort - it's pretty cheese. That I think is a design flaw - you are able to essentially get whatever build you want relatively quickly and online in the surface route.

something not as easy to cheese would be golden rule - you have to build up gold and not spend it

[gritty oasis]

it feels janky with the controls, i dont think i even got close to the ceiling of coat Ospecial builds.

[cursive oyster]

idk i think charon axe isn’t a cheese aspect sure it has a high damage ceiling but so does everything else

only aspect i’d currently say is cheese is pan blades

[echo root]

is visceral impact good or nah?

[valid pine]

What's that one do again? I'm bad at memorizing most of the boons names

[cursive oyster]

yeah it’s really good

probably depending on your aspect

open heart is also really fun with it

[echo root]

wait

is single elimination good fighting bosses or no?

[cursive oyster]

yea it works as long as there aren’t too many adds

[valid pine]

Yeah, as long as they're far away from any enemies, or if they're alone, you get the bonus

[echo root]

adds?

[cursive oyster]

summoned allies

[echo root]

ahhh

[frigid stone]

its huge aoe across the room and plenty of damage for standing in place and holding a button, it absolutely is cheese. The definition is that its easy to execute with minimal effort. Very low skill ceiling. Even without all the boons, using that aspect you can place the cast and esssentially clear out rooms very quickly. once you get hearththrobs its basically over. I just get bored of using that one too frequently though

[cursive oyster]

charon struggles with wards, and heartthrobs are only a wincon once you have the apollo/aphro duo. used to be the strongest build in the game but since heartthrob nerf it’s much more in line with other builds

[umbral scarab]

Is birb still the optimal familiar?

[cursive oyster]

depends on the context, for speed yeah

[sage flame]

the ares aphro duo is p funny and has heartthrobs, as long as you have the on kill blood drops

[cursive oyster]

for high fear i’m leaning towards gale especially on surface

[valid pine]

Bird is cool, we love crit

[cursive oyster]

yea open heart is strong

[frigid stone]

wait wha when did they nerf

[gritty oasis]

so you think getting the trouble of spending your resources to spend on sniping the exact boons you need for it to even work in the first place is cheesier than pan+poseidon. and lets not talk about the fairness of using the same amount of rerolls and keepsakes for other upgrades like ares for pan

[gritty oasis]

I would consider doing a coat atk ares-aphro duo next run**

[cursive oyster]

in patch 5 (olympic update) the requirements for spawning heartthrobs was increased from 30 to 40 and base damage was nerfed to 80 from i believe 120

[gritty oasis]

imma try it tomorrow actually as i am going to sleep

[frigid stone]

I mean spending resources you get for free and requiring next to no effort to get a broken build is still exploiting something to get something broken. But if the hearthrob dmg was reduced by that much that kinda sucks (I mean its fair and balanced, but no longer cheese probably). I've been off for some time so mb I didn't realize that one

if that wasn't nerfed I would def say its cheese

[unique perch]

Ok so daggers are worthless going up

[valid pine]

I wouldn't say so

[neon crown]

how does the ares-aprho duo look so far to yall

[cursive oyster]

good

seems silly if you can get it with sunny disposition

and probably scales decently well with extended family and shameless attitude

[echo root]

THANK YOU SO MUCH

I BEAT TYPHON WITH THIS

[cursive oyster]

hell yeah

[neat pier]

If I use Breath of Eros Charon item right after Archaic Seal, do I become immortal?

[valid pine]

Sadly no ywy the seal only works with items with an Encounter / Location duration

[neat pier]

Rip, was too good to be true

But thanks

[polar chasm]

Ok someone tell me why I was using Mel skulls when Medea is so much fun??? I'm never going back omg

[valid pine]

I find it kind of funny that because some cards got changed around and increased in cost, one of my arcana arrangements has a grasp usage of 31/30

[glossy rivet]

do u guys use herme legendary/ paid dues or is it like a wealth trap

[obsidian stirrup]

I'll give it a shot, thanks

[nova cairn]

What boons and builds do we think are good rn

[glossy rivet]

does icarus' explosive intent get boosted by damage boons?

[nova cairn]

trying to clear 32 fear surface on all weapons, Ares / Poseidon torches seem alright, no idea what's good with xinthe, Ares cast boon with meat grinder on momus feels really strong

[spare kite]

Global dmg buffs may work

[umbral scarab]

hold on, momus works with the OCast????

[nova cairn]

Maybe?? I forget, it felt like it did earlier today

[umbral scarab]

holy crap, it does

[nova cairn]

I was running it with the normal cast too, seemed good

[umbral scarab]

this opens up so many possibilities

I always thought it only replicated the attack and special Omegas

[minor fern]

how to use aspect of eos? is it better to build around the omega attack or all the specials that come out of it

[analog berry]

eae rapazeada, tem alguma build boa pro aspecto de tanatos?

[glad cradle]

Do ypu think Pan needs a huge buff or is just me sucking at it?

[nova cairn]

Pan is insane with Pos special

[umbral scarab]

noooooooooo

Pan is stupidly strong

[glad cradle]

I saw a lot of people saying that, but i cant get used with it kkk

i think its just mechanics issue, lack of finger agility

[bleak night]

Not really finger agility as it is timing when to charge. A good tip for it is that while holding your Omega Special down, you can put Cast still

If you want, you can also get Zeus for Lightning Lance so your Cast is ranged and you risk getting hit less

[glad cradle]

Does it also works with Hestia's fire ball bonn?

[bleak night]

That's a little worse because it can get stopped by walls and it has a travel time + you don't want anything else from Hestia

Zeus has stuff you want along with Lightning Lance

[half briar]

I have a possibly very silly question about extended family (hera), which is, when is it a good idea to take this boon? Ive been skipping it on my past few runs since the update since I thought in hades 1 there was a limit to how many boon givers you could encounter and I thought the same applied to hades 2? So i could be missing something about extended family’s use cases? Has anyone else figured out a good build w this? Does it apply to “boons” other than olympian boons?

[glad cradle]

Do you think its worth give up a lot of arcanes to use the Judgment arcane? Whats the best build to use it?

[sage flame]

the soft cap is 4 gods, but you can force more with the god keepsakes

[bleak night]

Only Olympians. Take it asap and shift your playstyle accordingly. When I get it, I don't mind putting on a new god keepsake to force a 5th god because it's free damage

Only a few Hera boons take prio over it like Bridal Glow or a core you need from her

[bleak night]

Judgment is never really optimal but it's fun

Best build for it is Strength + Titan (I forgot the new name for it) + random 3rd you need for the aspect

[half briar]

Oh good to know! I’ll try this next time it’s offered. My moros pin could probably use a break… (i just like hearing his voice lmao)

Thank you!

[bleak night]

You can run Moros pin still in the later areas dw

[glossy rivet]

if going momus should i swap origination with night arcana?

[cursive oyster]

nah keep origination

[glossy rivet]

what should i change to fit night

momus crit cycling sounds juicy

persistence? sounds risky doe

actually can momus echoes trigger night crits?

[bleak night]

@magic moss

You probs know the answer

[magic moss]

no idea tbh, ive used raki for so long at this point i cant tell if its death crits or raki base crit

[steel sequoia]

i didnt get the weasel yet, only 1 appearance, need to play a little more

[sage flame]

I don't think the echoes get crits but I havent extensively tested it

[uneven palm]

Night on Momus is a nice to have, I wouldn’t prioritize it. If the echoes crit with it that’d be one thing but I still don’t think they do

[upper mountain]

I have issues getting past Prometheus... What tips can you folks give me? I'm running base coat.

[bleak night]

You have a general idea for the build ?

[upper mountain]

not necessarily.

[bleak night]

What part of Prom are you struggling with? Fight patterns or the memorization bit? I can write you up smth

[upper mountain]

memorization, mostly. I also struggle with the Eris fight, but I can beat her most of the time.

[bleak night]

Memorization thing is easy to fix, just say the numbers 1-3 for top-mid-bottom and say it out loud every time. Say the first one is 1, second is 2, third is 3. You, out loud, just say "1. 1-2. 1-2-3". Then repeat it as it happens in realtime. The second round is 5 so use the same method. Saying it out loud makes it so you don't have to memorize, frees up your head

As for the build, try to do Poseidon-Zeus-Heph-Aphro if you can help it

Poseidon Attack, Zeus Special and Static Shock, Heph on maybe Anvil Ring + defensive boons, Aphro for Secret Crush and Weak for better tanking. You also aim for the Zeus-Hephaestus Duo boon to exponentially increase your damage. You go full Dash Attack spam since it recovers quickly and lets you dart in and out

You can replace Aphro for Demeter or Apollo for support boons and other things

[spare kite]

you can also iframe the memorization

[bleak night]

True, but more consistent to just not take the risk.

[spare kite]

I'm too ass at the memorization lmfao

I remember the patterns then quickly start double guessing myself lmfao

[lethal willow]

anyone else noticing mental block isn't proccing every time?

[fair horizon]

Longer cooldown, mental block got mega-nerfed

[lethal willow]

oh i see, can you tell me what the CD is? i don't see it in game tool tip

[glossy rivet]

is hostile environment (cast follows mel) worth it on momus? or is the momus echo moving around a disadvantage

[fair horizon]

Also a good idea to stand on the first safe zone, that way you only have to remember 2 patterns for the first transition and 4 patterns for the second transition.

[bleak night]

True

[fair horizon]

Not sure, but longer than a regular cast so you have to wait a second or two after your cast expires. Maybe write a feedback to add to the general feeling that mental block was over-nerfed.

[lethal willow]

okay i'll do that, thank you

[round quartz]

It's really unfortunate that on summit it's just always spawn of typhon into tail
Like I would have liked some variety rather than the same two mini bosses

[spare kite]

There's another mini instead of spawn

[glossy rivet]

am i supposed to just bullet hell my way out of typhon's projectil attacks

also is there a difference between moros and mel torch for efficiency with blitz + arcblast combos?

[bleak night]

Moros better because you can just walk in melee range with Blitz on special and then blow it up with your attacks that explode on the specials, allowing you to run a % damage boost on your attack instead and still have Arc Flash popping

[spare kite]

Also specials have better scaling

[bleak night]

also that

[round quartz]

Oh really? I have gone to summit five times now and haven't seen the other one

[spare kite]

Yeah is spawn of typh and twins or smth like that

[round quartz]

Oh that's good

[spare kite]

But you always fight the tail

[brave lynx]

twins of screen clutter.

[round quartz]

Yeah

[magic moss]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mD3_B1UgVrVTnQtYkqG0bZBmDATxh2YwwZCuqbMa9ks/edit?usp=sharing Resources spreadsheet has been updated for the current patch. No comments yet to get a better feel of the meta and strengths

[main beacon]

https://imgur.com/BZWW0Ji

anybody ever dodge this hard before?

[bleak night]

Wtf lol

[main beacon]

https://imgur.com/a/RpVPslN yup, in perfect health! totally perfect'd typhon 😉

i cant even tell you how hard i was holding out for a circe spawn lol. if i could get any more dodge chance i'd post a 20 min video of me standing around doing nothing in the typhon room.

[glossy rivet]

Should i still go for apollo on atk or is ares an option too now

[bleak night]

Ares has Grievous Blow so always a good option, but usually just go Hera over Apollo on Torch Attack

Ares probs preferable so you can test the damage

[main beacon]

you know im not actually fully aware of what ares' wounds do--

because as it reads its just like, a bit of % extra damage and then +50 power every few seconds..?

and then it scales with a few other boons that depend on wounds applied?

[bleak night]

Does nothing besides that, but it counts for Origination and if you have Grievous it can have a chance to let any attack do 2x damage

[main beacon]

well what confused me is when earlier, i was just going la di da pummeling away at rooms and when i focused on some damage numbers there was ares style red damage indicators in the thousands

like up to 2.5k in one instance

I don't remember which weapon nor whether it was my attack or special that had wounds on, but besides that I just had the cast boon from ares that drops "swords"

like theres no way i could spam cast + apply wounds fast enough to rack up 2.5k on something right??

^also theres a boon that has enemies leave those "blood drops" if they have wounds and you hit them, so you could just farm out more blood drops before killing anything. that should be about it

[junior trail]

ooh they fixed psychic & seething and o.special axe channel speed bugs

[bleak night]

Huh?

Sorceress doesn't work with Charon Omega Special still, I tried

[junior trail]

really?

[bleak night]

Yeah. Idk if Racing Thoughts works

[junior trail]

maybe its blood drop stuff

[bleak night]

Blood Drop makes base special faster so you go into charging quicker, so same thing really

[gray garnet]

Anyone got any fun ares builds? The only good one I’ve been able to find so far is cast build that involves him Demeter and Apollo (also preferably a build that isn’t only about blood drops)

[past salmon]

Probs grievous blow being awesome 🔥

[bleak night]

Cut Above based build with Ares-Heph and Ares-Apollo duos

[past salmon]

Blood drops with Open Heart and Sunny disposition

[gray garnet]

Ok thanks! I’ll try those

[main beacon]

you know what it was. Sword Ring + Cut Above + Meat Grinder + Coffin nail on Charon axe

it was infinite spam blades

[gray garnet]

Alr I’ll try that too

Anything to get the typhon testaments lmao

[main beacon]

i was only trying to get the legendary boon for the phophecy, i wasnt doing anything too fancy to build that up

[gray garnet]

Ohh yk what I could combine this one with that one too

[bleak night]

Or just do a fun clang gang run

Winner's Circle with Anvil Ring

[wide flicker]

is there some way to learn Prometheus as a melee build? All of his melee combos look the same to me, and i just get punished when trying to fight him up close

[bleak night]

I have a run up with 40% more attack/movement speed on enemies if you wanna see how I fight him

[wide flicker]

goodness, that must feel like fighting Bruce Lee, or something.....

[bleak night]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=bmhGTt3JuyI skip to 24:30 for a
Prometheus fight

[wide flicker]

is that Basic Axe? Not used to seeing the others, got too used to the Scythe

[bleak night]

Yep

I think it's better than Thanatos if it gets the one hammer it wants, but that's super rare

[wide flicker]

unhelpful, unfortunately. Just looks like wildly running around the place. I'm sure there is some rhyme or reason, but if the trick is to just never stop running around, I'm not sure that's a playstyle I am interested in. It almost looks like you are reacting BEFORE the actual attack comes out.

[bleak night]

Sadly that's all there is to it as melee

Know when his pauses are so you can go in. Don't trade with him because he has fire, rapid hitstun and general stupidity

[wide flicker]

Shame, cause the actual boss is pretty cool (probably coolest boss in the game atm, next to Chronos).

his other attacks are totally fine, and creative, like te "here is the pattern of where to stand" sequence

[bleak night]

Yeah, he's a brawler so you have to act accordingly

[deep quarry]

guys i think i just cooked something

charon hammer + ares blade rift cast + ares demeter duo is basically a permanent blade rift around you

[junior trail]

nvm its still there (attack/special spam), no fine line/cascade proc anymore though

and omega attack shield part drains 2 magick each

[faint oyster]

the ares+demeter combo feels really good! It feels like a return of Hunter's Blades 😄 (or at least Ares Call)

[wild swan]

i love me the ares+demeter duo

[faint oyster]

Another fun build is the stabby build XD

Ares Dash + Hermes Stutter Step + Apollo/Ares Duo and Hephaestus/Ares Duo = Stabs for days

[wild swan]

Ares is just

so good

[deep quarry]

nevermind i just fumbled prometheus with 3 ares duos

[faint oyster]

it doesn't make you invincible, sadly XD

you need hephy (or Selene) for that

Though ares healing is surprisingly good (especially with Self-healing infusion)

[deep quarry]

yeah i still go with the suicide mentality thinking i have death defiances

[faint oyster]

I went with a DD build for my last Ares run, lucked out on Athena giving me a replenishable DD each location

primed the heck out of my mana, but eh, I wasn't using it much anyway

[deep quarry]

does the ares mana healing restore your hp when you leave the location or does it apply as dmg

[faint oyster]

it primes your HP, but like anything that primes like that (aka Born Gain) resets after each location because it only affects max HP

Other than that, Ares+Demeter Duo wants Apollo Gain.

[deep quarry]

i always take apollo gain when running cast builds

[sage flame]

ares's duos are all really good as far as ive seen

[deep quarry]

everything about ares is really good, only thing i dont really like is the blooddrop thing

[faint oyster]

I dunno, not really seeing much use of Hestia+Ares duo

Heartthrob Builds with Ares+Aphro+Apollo goes hard too XD (especially if you luck out on getting his Legendary)

[midnight pulsar]

#h2-victory-boasting message this felt gross

so gross

[sage flame]

what the hell is the possessive of ares? ares' or ares's neither look right

[sage flame]

it makes the fireballs actually do something which is a win in my book

[faint oyster]

both work, but I usually go with s' for anything that ends with S

[deep quarry]

my first run with ares i got that duo

its not broken but its not bad

[faint oyster]

Hera feels much better this time too, gotta say. I really like Extended Family XD

[midnight pulsar]

I am becoming a big lover of Artemis daggers+Ares

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738915636851507245/1342691322779140126/Typhon.mp4?ex=67ba8e3d&is=67b93cbd&hm=72114e3d9cb0e8efedc5fbd8fa18142be931e4fe890003c60ecf83b39cab8cad& I dunno if this is particularly fast compared to other runs but it felt very quick
stabby stab

[neat pier]

Bro made Merciful End Gilgamesh Mel

[gaunt coyote]

Can someone give me a quick primer on door manipulation in Ephyra? If I’m trying to reroll to force a particular god, do the other doors lock out the existing gods from showing up or am I at the mercy of RNG?

Cause I was today years old when I learned that the center fountain can be used there for phial strats and whooooooo doggie 👀

[midnight pulsar]

Phial in ephyra is something funny I like doing sometimes but it often feels better to just take a god trinket

If I can manage to get a boon I want as a common I'll pick around that and phial after polyphemus

[midnight pulsar]

Did that this run, got grievous blow with phial

[plucky acorn]

Any tips for Prometheus? at the end of my rope hahah

[gaunt coyote]

See that’s my ordinary tech but then I’m dodging commons for the rest of the zone and burning rolls in the process. Feels like it might be more consistent on the whole to force the first door onto the god I want and then insta-phial it

Doors not scaling up in cost and all

[midnight pulsar]

You can also just pick minimal boons in ephyra but yeah I sometimes do have to reroll to not see a common

Ive been taking vicious strike with ares and rarifying it if its a common then brute forcing grievous blow with rerolls so I can always phial it

it lets you cheat 1 common boon out for phial

(taking a god trinket, I mean)

[cursive oyster]

ares’s is correct

[sage flame]

thanks

[onyx trench]

ok team. i wanna play new content but eris feels harder than usual

need a boon combo that deletes her

[junior trail]

still not fix autofire hell spliter bug bruh

[midnight pulsar]

She was made far easier, but if you're struggling the artemis daggers trivialize her
charon axe trivializes her

[prisma ibex]

both are correct. first is traditional, second is more modern. use whichever you think sounds better

[onyx trench]

she was made EASIER? did I get worse at the game

[cursive oyster]

eh imo she’s a tiny bit harder from olympic update

[midnight pulsar]

Yeah, she only has 3 phase changes now, way better attack indicators, and she announces when her buff runs out

[plucky acorn]

exactly how i feel in the new update. haha

[midnight pulsar]

even olympic update Eris had more phase changes than 3

[cursive oyster]

her fire makes her move backwards now so you can’t stay behind her as easily

[onyx trench]

oh that explains a lot actually

[cursive oyster]

nah this was changed in patch 6

[uneven palm]

This is from last patch but the basics of his combos and how to dodge stands. This patch his “small” moves are way slower, and the Phase 3 combo is now just small small flashy. Also you can’t abuse Mental Block the same way now. https://youtu.be/vr3VfMbkqmo?si=WjLvxJWuk4kFnRGN

[neat pier]

They also nerfed the radius of her fast fire, I feel. That thing used to be a run killer

[onyx trench]

so glad im not alone. very frustrated after losing on her last phase 3 times in a row

[midnight pulsar]

Huh. I thought they nerfed her phases a second time bc I didn't remember her having three when they nerfed her phases initially

[onyx trench]

funnily enough, prommy is quite manageable, because if ive made it that far, i either have 3 health or the worlds most broken build

[midnight pulsar]

I don't tend to struggle with Eris bc I either play Artemis daggers or Axe aspects she just
melts

I may be reliant on Artemis parry

[uneven palm]

Eris’ last phase hang in the very far right. There’s only one spot she can land there so it’s predictable

[onyx trench]

will try that once i get the motivation to try again

i need a break

[uneven palm]

Like hug the lower/right of the right pillar is great. She’ll either land on the left and take off or land just to your right.

[plucky acorn]

thank you!

[main beacon]

+172% from blood drops

cant believe they let me get away with this

charon axe special insta cast

[bleak night]

Yeah it skips the special animation and goes into omega quicker right?

[main beacon]

https://steamusercontent-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/4043916170467945/E6CCD2341C1EC1ECFB62234629D87C5DB7846B74/

[midnight pulsar]

I havent tried charon since they got rid of the omega cast bonus damage arcana

[junior trail]

still no wide grin mel skull fix

[midnight pulsar]

Is it still fine? I assume so

[main beacon]

finally got that legendary boon and now i can stop having all ares builds lmao

[junior trail]

oh yeah this is when i said they fixed the omega special axe channel speed, its about blood drop

[bleak night]

HUH

Does the Blood Drop spam make your Omega instant as well or something ?

[junior trail]

still not affected by racing thoughts or revelation sadly

[bleak night]

I mean Blood Drops seem to be the way to go then

[main beacon]

yeah im just tapping my controller button and its releasing the whole omega special instantaneously

[bleak night]

So Strike Speed also counts for omega channeling then? Psychic Whirlwind with that might be perma no charge ?

Did you have omega special channel reducing boons or just bdrops

[main beacon]

let me check i may have had a hammer upgrade

[bleak night]

Sudden Cleaver probs yeah

[main beacon]

yes sudden cleaver indeed

but yeah stike speed must apply for omega channeling because sudden cleaver isnt even that easy to spam

[bleak night]

I mean it isn't THAT sudden though like

I feel 90% of the channeling erasure is just bdrops

[main beacon]

must test psychic whirlwind with this

[bleak night]

Send recording

[civic ocean]

is it a visual bug or is Typhon immune to damage from scorch

The numbers weren't showing

[uneven palm]

I think you can’t see a ton of stuff with around him. Like I had Lightning Lance yesterday and couldn’t see the indicator

[civic ocean]

Is he immune to statuses

[uneven palm]

Feels buggy tbh

[civic ocean]

That would check out why I wasn't hearing orig proc either

[uneven palm]

Hmm I think I was hearing the Orig smack sound but now you’ve got me doubting

[civic ocean]

weirdge

[uneven palm]

Seems unlikely. Immune to statuses would be nuts

I mean I’ve definitely blitzed em

[civic ocean]

yeah nvm

[uneven palm]

I’m guessing the visual layering with him is just off. Too much stuff invisible

[potent grotto]

Alright coming back into this with the new update

What's the general gameplan for Melinoe Descura runs now?

[midnight pulsar]

Im fairly sure orig procs

[civic ocean]

im thinking either visual bug or something wrong with scorch

[potent grotto]

Wanting to push up into Olympus so any suggestions for builds would be much appreciated

Prometheus still kicks my butt 😭

[plucky acorn]

not alone

[uneven palm]

Mostly unchanged. Stacking lots of attack hammers is the no-brainer build. Special change means more things are viable on there and it’s definitely worth weaving in for damage and statuses. O attack is stronger but I still hate aiming it on controller.

[potent grotto]

Still the Hera boon based builds then?

What should the arcana build look like? Not sure I ever really got that settled in

[wanton leaf]

What would y'all suggest as like, priority arcana and aspect upgrades?

[civic ocean]

Probably something like Persistence, Strength, and Melinoe Axe?

[potent grotto]

Is Mel axe considered better than Than axe now?

[civic ocean]

it's just easier to upgrade and it scales better with Strength

[potent grotto]

Oh fair

[magic moss]

yesnt

[civic ocean]

Not sure how easy it is to max strength out tho

[potent grotto]

There we go that's who I've been looking for

[magic moss]

who?

[potent grotto]

You

[wanton leaf]

Ah, so people are doing Strength instead of Death?

[potent grotto]

I need Descura help

[magic moss]

oh lmao anyways than axe is still better, but dashing heave mel axe according to mynt is better so its hammer dependent

[potent grotto]

Gotcha fair

[magic moss]

yeah what about it

[potent grotto]

Is the general build still the Hera boons one for Melinoe Descura? Any specific arcana I should be carrying?

[civic ocean]

I think just as a like first combo to farm the game it's really strong to take the Power and HP + aspect and the free HP eHP and DMG% arcana

[junior trail]

rip born gain infinite mirrored thrasher/executioner's chop bug you'll be missed, but at lest born gain works with both now

[civic ocean]

Plus you can max out Mel Axe a lot easier than Than

[magic moss]

hera is good yes, and hera on special is far more a viable option if you dont want to spend rolls. Attack has higher base damage so zeus attack is more consistent. Arcana hasnt really changed since last patch

[potent grotto]

Okay gotcha

[main beacon]

I’ll try to get to it tomorrow !!! I’m going to sleemp

[civic ocean]

Surely apollo is quite good with mel staff right

for actually playing the aspect "properly"

[magic moss]

its mid tbh

apollo suffers from the "lack of curse" problem

[civic ocean]

what do you need the curse for

[magic moss]

origination

[civic ocean]

just run eternity instead and hit them 50% faster

[magic moss]

what was new eternity, slowdown?

[civic ocean]

ye

[uneven palm]

Yeah old sorceress but expensive

[magic moss]

ehh, origination damage increase is still a lot better imo

[civic ocean]

I just tried Eternity Unseen at 34 and it was baller

[potent grotto]

For my arcana, currently have enabled:
Wayward Son, Huntress, Moon, Persistance, Messenger, Unseen, Death, Centaur, Lovers, Enchantress, Boatman, Queen, Fates, Champion, and Divinity

Any changes I should make to that?

[uneven palm]

Drop unseen and just get a gain boon

[bleak night]

I want the Omega Cast damage back

[magic moss]

drop unseen for origination imo

[civic ocean]

I guess you could do that I just really want a bunch of other boons and it makes it kinda suck booty early

[uneven palm]

Hard same. Charon early feels sad now

[civic ocean]

I wonder if Charon is just a cast build now

Go Zeus, get all the stuff, stand in the circle

[potent grotto]

Any other changes or just that? I lost Moon as part of that change as well