#h2-builds-and-combat

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proven citrus
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"what if instead of casting an omega you cast 3 omegas for every omega"

willow phoenix
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meanwhile mel daggers gains double backstab damage on fine tuning

bleak night
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H2 Surface seems too ridiculous rn. I had to do 500k damage to win a 50f run

willow phoenix
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feels like they're gonna tune it later, the numbers are off

bleak night
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aren't Mel Blades like turbo useless vs Typhon

willow phoenix
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but probably won't rn as aspects are still liable to changing

bleak night
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not useless, but like the aspect bonus just doesn't work

surreal hazel
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depends if you're going throwing knifey or stabby

bleak night
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No, I mean you can't backstab the guy

surreal hazel
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you can backstab typhn with basic special

bleak night
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That's kinda whack lol

surreal hazel
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it does register, I saw it. Yeah it's not that great

north granite
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You guys got any suggestions against Prometheus?

surreal hazel
willow phoenix
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the tongue should be backstabable

north granite
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last time i fought him it did not go well

north granite
surreal hazel
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he has three phases right? he also has 4 basic attacks that come in charged (adds a projectile) and uncharged flavours

north granite
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and I want mostly boon or weapon suggestions

willow phoenix
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phase 1: 1 strong hit
phase 2: 2 light hit -> 1 strong hit
phase 3: either phase 1 or phase 2 move

after every pattern he stops. when he starts moving again he's going to attack

surreal hazel
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in phase one his combo is.... one charged attack
phase two is two uncharged, one charged
phase three is charged, two uncharged, one charged

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and he pauses between the combos where you can wail on him a bit

proven citrus
surreal hazel
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the basic attacks are the punch flurry, uppercut, floor punch and roundhouse kick

willow phoenix
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try hexes

proven citrus
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frosty veneer from demeter is an instawin with most setups IMO, it's just so much survivability

willow phoenix
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if you can get to like max power lunar ray you can just melt him every time he lands

surreal hazel
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the flame wall and delayed explosion attacks are not part of these combos

willow phoenix
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and make him not do anything

north granite
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Thanks guys i'll try it out

willow phoenix
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something like upgraded phase shift, dark side, total eclipse can also totally bosses easy

surreal hazel
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he has like, 9 commands? dang, bosses are more detailled these days

proven citrus
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back in my day bosses just threw barrels down a ramp. and you had to jump over the barrels

plush vapor
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true true

surreal hazel
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floorpunch, flurry, uppercut, roundhouse, firewave, delayed explosion, summon, intermission attack, Aetos summon

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10 if you include the suckerpunch Aetos throw at the start

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11 for the new dodge move

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you could legit make promethus playable by modding his existing attacks, heh

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also he seems to have gained the ability to dash strike with his uncharged attacks?

ember frigate
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is hephaeustus trusty shield worth using in general?
im not really focusing to get alot of armor just need something to block a heavy hit

steel sequoia
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they buffed prom, we cant ensnare bosses any more, game is a lot harder for me

surreal hazel
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it is never wrong to take it

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at worst it's a free hit each room, at best it's more

ember frigate
surreal hazel
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it got indirectly nerfed in this patch, but it's still great

surreal hazel
proven citrus
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the thing about shields is that if the enemy overkills it, they don't deal any damage to your hp. so you can take a 100 damage hit to the face and only lose 10 shields

surreal hazel
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Mint Condition is disgusting, uncanny fortitude can be huge

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molten touch is.... yeah okay that's not that great

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some of his duos are kinda bonkers too

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actually yeah, seismic hammer with winning circle.... hrmmmmmm

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yeah, give heph a shot

proven citrus
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honestly just pomming a single heph special a lot constitutes a build by some metrics

surreal hazel
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clanger builds

proven citrus
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once you get to a 2 second cooldown the game plays itself

surreal hazel
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and it's the point where furnace blast becomes awful and grand caldera becomes amazing

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I need to check if they've nerfed it's really stupid pom scaling though

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in that they didn't set a pom scaling function on caldera so it defaulted to "each pom adds the common value to the variable"

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+50 damage per level, insane

proven citrus
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nobody tel em

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it needs infinite scaling because the blast cooldowns have a hard cap šŸ‘† surely

glossy rivet
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is zeus special spam with coat good or is it beat by another combo?

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hera nyx coat sounds like its mostly for mobbing though right?

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need to get a typhon-deleting coat build

surreal hazel
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if you get shimmering rockets? definitely

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but for typhon? blitz might not be the best unless you can get the new support boon for it

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Not tried yet to see what you can and cannot block from typhon either

steel sequoia
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well you gotta dodge the mana drain ray that hits you 150 life, kinda hard on melee tbh.

quick crescent
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i wanna try out trusty shield on an underworld run with arachne's keepsake and the emerald dress

steel sequoia
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that sounds nice

surreal hazel
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mana drain ray?

steel sequoia
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ive won once with full shield, was the pink one but i cant remember which it is

quick crescent
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regenerating armor and the benefits of the dress underneath sounds possibly gnarly

surreal hazel
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pink?

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there's white and red and purple but not ure about pink

quick crescent
steel sequoia
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i lost all my screenshots idk where they are, weird

quick crescent
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ooh picturing a revaal or ygnium build with damage procc'd on magic use, blast effects left n right

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ooh big thoughts

steel sequoia
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lol just cofirmed all my screenshots are gone wth

brisk geyser
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hey chat is there some kind of resource for common aspect builds? or a guide for what weapons/aspects use what gods/etc

tough pasture
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Read this comment on a boated vid: "I took Knuckle Bones on my first attempt at the new surface and it did 9750 damage to Typhon, which means 65000 hp. 30% more means you were dealing with 84500 hp."

So mynt's comment about having to do ~500k damage to complete a ultra high fear surface run makes sense.

proven citrus
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thats pretty cwazy

plush vapor
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these final floor mini bosses are insane

lunar lance
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So I'm sure someone may have already suggested this, but:

White Antler keepsake + Ares's Blood Spree boon

White Antler gives you a crit chance while locking you at 30 max HP. Blood Spree makes you restore HP on each hit if your HP is below 40. Combining those with a quick-attacking weapon with good range (the coat, flames, and maybe the blades come to mind) sounds like it could be a pretty strong combo for healing, so long as you don't take massive damage all in one hit

lusty heron
magic moss
glossy rivet
surreal hazel
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eh?

glossy rivet
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can shimmering rocket loop around to the first target? must be why its so recommended (not that rng ever offers me it)

surreal hazel
glossy rivet
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so uhh whats good for typhon instead

surreal hazel
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still helps for the egg phases

glossy rivet
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oh

surreal hazel
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deleting those before they hatch and you have to deal with them and the boss reallllllly helps

lunar lance
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Would you say that getting MEdea's Suffering on Sight curse would be good for Typhon?

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The one that deals between 1 and 999 damage to anything that enters the fight

kindred sonnet
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what's a good build to use for black coat? i cant get past prometheus with it

sage flame
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before the patch zeus and hera were the go to for it, sometimes aphro attack, maybe zeus cast (they did nerf it slightly but it's still good)

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shimmering rockets hera special was consistent and good

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or if you get the exhaust riser hammer, pos or hestia can work on attack kinda

karmic gust
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i havenā€™t even played with ares yet, but the duo with aphro seems insane

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potentially highest dps build?

lunar lance
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I feel like Ares is a lot more fun in this game than he was in Hades 1. Personally, anyway.

kindred sonnet
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well in hades1 you could basically only go for ME or hunting blades on achilles so yea he was kinda boring

bleak gale
lunar lance
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I'm liking his Visceral Impact blessing. Makes you or enemies sometimes when hit spill a Blood Drop that increases your move speed and attack speed by 1% every time you pick one up. I have to imagine that stacks real nicely with certain weapons. Maybe an already-quick one like the Flames, or one that needs more attack speed, like the Axe

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Maybe I should try an Ares build with one of the Flames' aspects next run

low copper
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Has anyone experimented with Zeus' new boon that activates Blitz on Omega moves? Feels like it could be really broken with Melinoe Torch Omega Special spam, just constant proc-detonate as the flames rotate - unless it doesn't work that way or has a cooldown?

steel sequoia
brisk geyser
tame vapor
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Heyo, you guys have any cool black coat builds??

sturdy minnow
summer seal
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What are the conditions for unlocking ares? I did already clear the new biome and boss, but thatā€™s the only run Iā€™ve done since the update

lunar lance
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I'm pretty sure it's after you either reach the new biome or afer seeing the new boss. Then he appears guaranteed on your next run, kinda like how Hera worked

summer seal
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Awesome, thanks!

sturdy minnow
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I got it the run after I encountered Typhon, didnā€™t have to beat him to see Ares as my first room reward

summer seal
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Cool cool

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Wonder what aspects he works well on

gaunt nymph
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Yo Ares's legendary boon is sick AF

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I think he's my new favorite Olympian

elfin ivy
willow phoenix
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does athena keepsake still not work in olympus?

latent marsh
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what does sprouted mean?

stable lichen
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i think persephone is the exact same they just changed the wording

stable lichen
timber pawn
# latent marsh what does sprouted mean?

If you look on the right side of the screen when selecting persephone in the UI, it should have the definition for sprouted, but yes I believe the function is the same

pseudo sequoia
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yeah it's the exact same

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though overall persephone has been nerfed bc of arcana omega cast boost being removed..... šŸ˜”

stable lichen
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oh yeah RIP +100 free omega cast damage, was wondering why i was doing piss damage with charon yesterday

proven citrus
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the new hermes boon is almost better if you can snag it

woven bough
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With the new update, what is a good blades build? Looking to run either Pan or Artemis but not sure which to choose

pseudo sequoia
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true but even with that i don't think it helps omega casts on persephone unless i get geyser spout lol

pseudo sequoia
summer seal
stable lichen
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no more +100 omega cast damage

stable lichen
stable lichen
proven citrus
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your cast durations are shorter (situationally good depending on the god you pick) and are channeled >100% faster (basically instantaneous)

woven bough
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Forgive me, I'm new but he doesn't seem all that appealing, is there something I'm missing with Apollo? What makes him good?

proven citrus
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heā€™s kind of a general purpose damage dealer

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the extra range on your attacks and specials are really nice

woven bough
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Aaah, I see

proven citrus
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blinding sprint is an easy take in almost every game

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the extra speed is nice but the main thing is that you will basically have daze (20% dodge chance + half of origination) on all of your enemies all of the time without even trying

stable lichen
proven citrus
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oh yeah

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itā€™s probably worse than not having it at all with charon lol, i was just talking about casts in general

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they also juiced demeterā€™s cast supplemental boons

willow phoenix
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charon scales better I think, you go ares so that you get the blade rifts and the demeter duo

woven bough
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Hmmm, I did not consider that, I'll give it a try

willow phoenix
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ares demeter seems very nice on it

stable lichen
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ares demeter has come a long way from freezing vortex lmao

proven citrus
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local cast was changed to not chase you around and instead have increased damage for standing in the cast

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and ares/demeter has the old dragging effect but with a +100% cast damage modifier

stable lichen
proven citrus
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yes

willow phoenix
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I tried ares demeter duo but with ares cast and it was pretty funny, pretty good too

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you give out blades to any enemy clipped by the cast

proven citrus
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i also like aresā€™ cast (sword ring) as a standalone but itā€™s kinda boring

willow phoenix
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it's gets better with duos, like heph apollo dem

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ares duos are goated tbh, they're all so good

summer seal
ember frigate
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should i skip optional rooms in ephyra if you have vow of time?

proven citrus
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depends on the level and how fast you go

stable lichen
willow phoenix
proven citrus
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whatā€™s old death again lol

willow phoenix
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old death is new night, the crit on omega combo

proven citrus
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ahh

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it all comes full circle

ember frigate
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how does ''wound'' effect work and does it dissapear if you hit an enemy once?

tough pasture
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Ayo...uh...what the heck is this new mechanic for engraved pin? Terrible. It's...awful.

uneven palm
lunar lance
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I gotta stop trying to use the Sash in Thessaly. That place has an awful encounters:locations ratio

uneven palm
lunar lance
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If I want to forego death defiance in order to use Athena's keepsake to get her blessings on every run, what card(s) should I be taking instead to help with survivability?

ember frigate
tough pasture
proven citrus
tough pasture
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(Hang on)...maybe i'm not reading it correctly.

uneven palm
proven citrus
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and i guess it synergizes with that one weird hades boon for using DDs

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maybe. scholars remain divided

woven bough
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Heya, one other question. Selene's phase shift hex (the one that slows everything down) has an upgrade that supposedly replenishes death defiance if the hex isn't ready. is it reallly how that works?

tough pasture
proven citrus
lunar lance
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The new pin is: the first time you die in an encounter, you stay alive on 0 HP. If you then clear the fight in 10 seconds, you heal to a certain value and don't die. If you don't clear the fight in time, you actually die

woven bough
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Oooooh, alright, gotcha

uneven palm
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Thatā€™s how the pin has worked for a while now, right? Itā€™s just now it borks Strength?

proven citrus
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testing different boons with persephone and getting mad at the game rn

obtuse tusk
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Have people made any dodge builds yet with the new update?

proven citrus
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why does glowing coal not have a prerequisite but lightning lance (which is almost identical in function) needs a cast boon

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i'm actually gonna lose my mind

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lightning lance does charge persephone and glowing coal doesn't

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why? why? why?

lusty heron
lunar lance
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oh good point on that one

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Fair point on that. Will avoid the Tooth or the Pin when going that route

proven citrus
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if you have gale the polecat she can also help because she gives free hits in every biome

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but that's a rather late unlock

lunar lance
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Probably will end the run with the Fleece or the Knucklebones

lusty heron
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You can use toula if you want fish just die once in the first area

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Typhon with knuckled feels quite good imo

proven citrus
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WORKS WITH PERSEPHONE: every cast except smolder ring, lightning lance, prominence flare, rousing reception
DOES NOT WORK: smolder ring, glowing coal, meat grinder, mental block

loud moat
# stable lichen no more +100 omega cast damage

They nuked the Poseidon Omega insta cast + Darkside instant omega cast combo. Im so sad. Combined with apollos Lucid gain you just spammed magic and could hop into Dark side and spam cast for a ton of damage.

stable lichen
loud moat
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No more insta cast omega unfortunately. Other than through Charon axe or I guess the new Hermes, but thats more of a side grade. Just casting is faster. not instant

stable lichen
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charon kinda got gutted without the omega damage from arcana which sucks, now you have to pray that poseidon gives you geyser spout

loud moat
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Honestly it wasnt the bonus damage on geyser that was the best part. but the instant omega cast activation. It turned lucid gain into an alright mana regen.

lusty heron
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geyser isnt instant anyway it just like charges up

loud moat
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Yea it requires charge time, but so does every other omega.

lusty heron
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nah like when you charged up and its placed it grows the water ball on the ground before exploding

stable lichen
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im kinda sad, old geyser spout was super fun

loud moat
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More sad that Lucid gain is where its at. Geyser spout made it workable for me. I hate having to playing around my cast just to get back my mana

sage flame
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that one new hermes boon does make your cast expire faster at least

loud moat
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yea its the side grade it seems like. Its a very good boon dont get me wrong

lusty heron
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yeah but it doesnt really feel good

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for persephone
hm maybe new hera is good
that one is instant

sage flame
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it's more situational than other gains, works good with charon

loud moat
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Im curious if the increase in cast time increases the rate at which it causes damage ala Zeus or scorch ticks

proven citrus
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i don't think so

sage flame
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not the rate, just how long they can inflict the damage

stable lichen
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ares cast kinda seems like worse heph cast except if you have the hermes expiration boon

loud moat
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Then its situational i suppose. Good for Hera to spam your cast. Maybe aprho as you only need the pull in for a short time. No one uses aphro for its damage on cast

stable lichen
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honestly they should make the hermes fast cast the messenger arcana instead given that it seems more like a side grade than an upgrade

proven citrus
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the ares cast is good because it's all at once and they don't actually need to be in the cast to get hit - they just need to *have been in * the cast

stable lichen
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thing is, the cast keeps enemies in it 90% of the time anyways ignoring bosses

proven citrus
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i think it would be weird to have an arcana that makes half of all of a certain type of boon worse

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or they can go inside the cast circle and take the full effect

stable lichen
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ig

idk, kiting enemies inside the cast is pretty easy to do

proven citrus
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there's also just more synergies for sky daggers than there are for heph cast

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i dislike seismic whatever it's called

brazen ore
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i dislike staff special now. I mean, I didn't adore it before, but is it slower or something?

stable lichen
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seismic hammer was cool with old geyser spout

stable lichen
sage flame
proven citrus
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oh, heph cast does appear to speedrun through the clangs with the hermes boon

stable lichen
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wait it does? ooooo

sage flame
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oh that's funny

loud moat
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i like it only in so far that it seems to actually have a distinct purpose now.

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Before it felt halfbaked.

sage flame
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I assume aphro will also speed through it maybe?

stable lichen
brazen ore
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It feels a lot clunkier/bulky, but it's been a couple months since I played so I couldn't quite figure out why I felt that way/remember what it felt like before lol

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Oh does it give you knockback? Maybe that's why

sage flame
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a big 40 damage aoe isn't bad esp if you put ares on it

loud moat
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Its pierces and serves as more of an applicator. Worked well with blitz last night. I hadn't noticed any knockback but I only played it once.

sage flame
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it slightly pushes mel back right?

proven citrus
stable lichen
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yeah itā€™s more of an applicator now, while it used to be a low commitment spammy long range attack from afar

proven citrus
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aphro cast only gets two hits in before it expires

sage flame
stable lichen
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when i first picked it up i was still assuming it served that purpose so i was like ā€œtf is thisā€

woven bough
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Are guardians immune to daze

stable lichen
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no?

proven citrus
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no

stable lichen
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also the new zeus arc reaction boon seems very good with torch omega spesh

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i was playing moros zeus spesh with it and blitz just kept going lol

woven bough
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Might be something wrong with my build then

sage flame
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zeus keep winning

proven citrus
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disappointed by how weird everything is with regards to consistency but clangclangclang build might be my new beloved

stable lichen
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canā€™t believe they buffed both moros and medea in one patch lmao

sage flame
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real

loud moat
sage flame
woven bough
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Had daze dash, tried dazing the end boss, didn't work

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Apollo's thing

stable lichen
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did you have the apollo heph duo

woven bough
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No, what does that do

stable lichen
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clears daze with heph explosions for damage

proven citrus
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the end boss is shy about showing what status effects they have

woven bough
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Ah, yeah no

stable lichen
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surface end boss or grandpa

woven bough
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Surface end boss

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I had poseidon, apollo, ares, ran their duos

stable lichen
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he doesnā€™t really have a health bar so ig you canā€™t see it

proven citrus
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maybe they just messed up the visual to show that they're dazed

woven bough
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Possibly, but still man they hit like a truck

stable lichen
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typhon has so many eyes, he should be 10 times more vulnerable to daze

sage flame
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he may have been dazed, idk where the vfx for curses show up on typhon

woven bough
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Real

stable lichen
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although by that same logic polyphemus should be immune to daze

woven bough
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Is hermes good btw

proven citrus
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yes

stable lichen
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youā€™ll always get hermes and he wonā€™t occupy your god pool, so yeah

woven bough
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Aaah, I see

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Does quick buck work when it comes to killing monsters or is it just location rewards

stable lichen
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everything i think

proven citrus
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it's weird

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i think i've complained about it being inconsistent before

sage flame
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hermes even better than before

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more good boons overall

proven citrus
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oh wait no, i was complaining about ocean's bounty

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quick buck should work for every source of gold

woven bough
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Oookay, good to know, ty

proven citrus
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ocean's bounty does a weird thing where it changes the amount of gold that spawns as a reward instead of modifying it as it goes into your pocket

sage flame
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ah

vast haven
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Life affirmation does effect on moon water?

woven bough
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Alright, one final question. Sureshot flurry, is it anti synergy with pan

willow phoenix
proven citrus
stable lichen
proven citrus
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clangclangclang might be the way to go with persephone now

woven bough
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Aight, good to know ty

stable lichen
proven citrus
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there are situations

stable lichen
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storm ring persephone never clicked for me

proven citrus
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i like arctic ring the best, usually

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the damage is weirdly high for how good of a status effect it also inflicts

stable lichen
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i used to do arctic ring with omega cast spam but now that the arcana is goneā€¦

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arctic ring means that you can safely channel too

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that was my preferred way of playing persephone until i converted to heph cast

warm rapids
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Just had a run where I managed to get dark side, cardio gain, sanguinary savour, rallying cry, and all the blood collection boons

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I never went 10 seconds without being invincible to all damage

stable lichen
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living nightmare?

warm rapids
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Dark side, mb

stable lichen
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ah

warm rapids
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it turns you into a living nightmare, thatā€™s why I got confused

stable lichen
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i still find the name cardio gain very funny for some reason

warm rapids
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It is my favorite boon in the game I think

stable lichen
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ā€œgoddess of cardioā€ wouldnā€™t be the thing i associate hestia for

warm rapids
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I mean you burn fat

stable lichen
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i guess? but still, no idea why they changed it from warmth gain

willow phoenix
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Hestia burning everything from your enemies to the fats in your body

warm rapids
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but that is still my favorite build Iā€™ve ever run, it was my first ares one as well

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I just became immortal

woven bough
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Between apollo's cast and artic ring, would arctic ring be more useful?

willow phoenix
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Demeter cast is the best general utility cast boon

warm rapids
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Tbh I never use Apollo but thatā€™s just me

woven bough
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Sick

willow phoenix
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Freeze makes everything much easier

sage flame
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or why they changed the name from hearth gain

woven bough
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Is the duo natural selection kind of a meme

willow phoenix
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Not to mention it deals decent damage for a cast

willow phoenix
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I hate that ngl

warm rapids
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Btw be careful with sanguinary savour

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I got so fast I couldnā€™t control the game properly during bosses

woven bough
willow phoenix
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lol the game gets wonky with too high movement speed

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With knockback mechanics too

warm rapids
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Let me do the math rq on how fast I was

willow phoenix
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Sanguinary favor doesn't really give you any choice with not getting the blood drops right? Since it auto collects

warm rapids
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idk how exactly the game stacks speed

stable lichen
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if only rush delivery existed in H2

willow phoenix
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What's the total blood drop bonus?

warm rapids
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But I had:

200% speed from blood X 2 due to sanguine
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Midnight oil ( idk the increase )
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Nitro boost: 15%
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Mirrored thrasher 2X attacks
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Rapid thrasher 50% speed increase

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idk how exactly it calculates speed

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But I at least had 465% speed with all of my hits landing twice

warm rapids
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Well it still says 1%, but the boon states it doubles the effects

willow phoenix
warm rapids
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this is from a run from yesterday

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Can I check it still?

willow phoenix
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Uhh no lol

sage flame
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do you have the history shade guy unlocked in the crossroads, it has your past deeds and builds from previous nights

willow phoenix
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It's kinda annoying that you need to see the tooltip to see the total

sage flame
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real

proven citrus
sage flame
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hopefully it'll be something like mean streak

brave lynx
obtuse tusk
proven citrus
#

natural selection also doesn't actually work in tartarus, because it's not programmed to replace the triple rewards for coins and poms with boons

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i mean i guess the part where it increases the rarity of boons still works

woven bough
#

Met dionysus

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What are his good boons?

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They all seem pretty neat all things considered

odd sonnet
willow phoenix
# woven bough What are his good boons?

Hangover is surprisingly pretty strong. The health related ones are strong. Grape juice is great for certain builds. The fog is not really reliable but it's something ig. The only I don't like is the lob cast but I guess if you're not spamming cast it's fine

sly scarab
#

Hey is there a way to get rid of the mini death defiance that you start with to activate strength off the bat?

willow phoenix
sly scarab
#

Oh is it toula thatā€™s giving me it?

brave lynx
#

Toula gives you one yes

sly scarab
#

Dang ok

willow phoenix
#

Yup, that's why I don't pick toula anymore bouldy

sly scarab
#

The downsides of kitty cat šŸ˜”

willow phoenix
#

Sad that my auto fishing bot is rusting the corner of the training ground

tough pasture
#

Anyone else underwhelmed by poseidon's boons in hades 2?

I feel irritated when he pops up on a door or in a shop or, worst of all, as a mystery olympian (for the hermes shop).

The only time I want anything to do with poseidon is when i'm playing aspect of pan.

willow phoenix
#

The new boons made pos feel better at least as support. High surf is fun and early sea star can be great. The new sprint is meh but at least generally usable

I like his cast and omega cast too. Feels like a lot of damage. Poseidon's identity is just raw damage it seems

His attack and special though is too min max. It's god tier on some specific aspects and trash on the rest

floral gazelle
#

I like poseidons special on Artemis aspect on lim and oros, helps me escape when I need to but thatā€™s the only main boon I get from him most of the time
His other boons that give you treasure is helpful in a lot of situations as well, didnā€™t test the sprint yet tho

willow phoenix
#

I also don't really like sunken treasure and hydraulic might, like those feels really bad to get

floral gazelle
willow phoenix
#

A lot of rooms already take like 10 seconds just for the enemy to spawn though, that alone makes me not want to get it

floral gazelle
neon crown
#

Whatā€™s good vows past 10 fear? As of now itā€™s frenzy 2, timer 2, and hubris 1

cursive oyster
#

haunting ainā€™t too bad

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shadows is rough on surface but fine in uw

#

fangs 1 isnā€™t awful

neon crown
#

Cool cool hitting up 12f than axe next

past salmon
#

Yer

summer seal
#

What aspects are you all finding work best with the new Ares boons?

cursive oyster
#

blood drops can get really funny on all the axes

stable lichen
#

damn, the single tongue laser on typhon does 25 damage through strength while the dual tongue laser he does after a certain phase does 50

cursive oyster
#

typhon hits like a truck lmao

stable lichen
#

or maybe the tongue deals 50 damage while the laser deals 25

either way i took 50 damage through strength on the tongue attack

cursive oyster
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the tongue has no hitbox

stable lichen
#

oh ok so its the laser itself dealing 50 then

clever trail
#

i was wondering if succes rate procc on mutual destruction when we have both ? onion

stable lichen
#

this was with zero fear lmao

cursive oyster
#

also procs on all sources of crit chance lmao

clever trail
#

that sound broken omegasymbol

cursive oyster
#

i think success rate is one of my favorite new boons

neon crown
past salmon
#

Success rate works on pretty much every random chance thing
This includes crit chance

neon crown
#

200 damage with damage buff vow on DDs

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what the hell

cursive oyster
#

they might have had armor in which case strength doesnā€™t apply

stable lichen
#

and on a decently fast move too

neon crown
#

It donā€™t work on armor? Damn no wonder I lose it so quick

stable lichen
past salmon
#

Simply don't get hit imo imo

cursive oyster
#

the tongue laser isnā€™t too bad to dodge imo

past salmon
#

Idk the laser attack is one of his easier attacks imo

stable lichen
#

i keep forgetting he does it twice lol

cursive oyster
#

the worm thingies that fall from the sky can burn in hell

past salmon
#

Lol

stable lichen
#

worm thingies?

neon crown
#

The tail?

stable lichen
#

oh you mean the millions of tiny red bullets he throws at you? yeah no i hate those too

magic moss
#

hi yall planning on remaking the surface bounty board, should I keep it as first come first serve or limit it to 1 bounty per person

shy turtle
#

hello what are the arcanas to run if I wanna try judgement

cursive oyster
# shy turtle hello what are the arcanas to run if I wanna try judgement

at high fear its usually strength + titan (+ card of your choice if not running void 3), if youā€™re confident on lower fear you can take boatman + enchantress + champions for good control over your build, and if you want the most cards possible itā€™s night + lovers + card of your choice

shy turtle
#

Thanks! What's titan again

cursive oyster
#

oh they renamed it to persistence this update

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its prometheus, +hp and +mana

shy turtle
#

See it now, thanks again!!

magic moss
#

will be keeping first come first serve

gaunt nymph
#

Is it me or is Prometheus harder than Typhon?

steel sequoia
#

i think typhon harder but you have more stuff to fight him. prom is just annoying since he dodges and sprints a lot and you need to get his timmings.

left moat
#

is self healing essentially just a 33% damage reduction?

analog osprey
#

between demeter, hera, hestia, and aph, which of their mana boons can keep up with pan knives with +40% omega special channel speed hammer

analog osprey
brazen ore
#

aph generally can for me

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not that specific situation i suppose but she generally keeps up with anything i wanna do. though i could be biased bc i adore triggering origination without trying

gaunt coyote
#

Hera is generally going to be the strongest of those 4. Hestia might have a case but idk if her regen procs on omega move hits??

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Poseidon gain is a nice darkhorse pick for pan knives too, considering the amount of projectiles youā€™re throwing out

uneven palm
#

Hera, Zeus, Poseidon are great gains for Pan

#

Hestia only works on regular attack/special

analog osprey
#

guess its hestia

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aph can't keep up with two fully charged pan specials per cast, demeter is very much not it, and hera would brick me depressingly quick

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at least i can cope with aph attack while regaining mana

steel sequoia
#

ares gain is pretty much like hera but for life, idk if it worth for pan

toxic grotto
#

does mel dagger even work in the final surface fight

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or does the back not exist šŸ™

spare kite
#

no back

brisk geyser
#

i see a lot of top runs use hera on attack, is it more of a speedrun and high fear thing just to clear out regular rooms faster?

uneven palm
#

Yes. Damage is good enough for bosses and Hitch is extraordinary vs wards and hordes

cursive oyster
brazen ore
#

Yeah what you need for high fear and what you need for regular is kinda different cause you really need to be able to deal with tons of jerks at once on high fear

brisk geyser
#

another free question, whats the favourite attack/special duo for moros in low fear?

stable lichen
#

zeus spesh is hilariously broken on moros now that he has a new boon to trigger blitz with omega damage

brisk geyser
#

huge, ty again chat

stable lichen
#

arc flash, thats what its called

keen laurel
#

which axe is generally better now?

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i remember they reworked thanatos cuz it was too strong

uneven palm
#

Theyā€™re all good

#

Charonā€™s a bit weaker this patch sadly

keen laurel
#

are there stronger boons than aphro now?

#

i used to go full aphro earlier with poseidon for mana regen

uneven palm
#

Ares has a lot to offer especially Thanatos (attackā€™s solid, blade drop duos with Heph/Apollo also good). Otherwise I favored Hera or Apollo attack but Aphroā€™s still good

steel sequoia
waxen nest
#

What do we think of eos with ares special
Just did a 16 fear run with that and hera attack and was blitzing through everything

uneven palm
steel sequoia
#

makes sense

rapid lagoon
#

Infinite casts <3

cinder meadow
#

Hi guys, which weapon would be best to clear the upper world? Cyclops keeps getting me šŸ« 

rapid lagoon
uneven palm
#

That kinda is the go-to noob cannon. Itā€™s fun.

vast widget
#

honestly i love pan+dancing knives+ hera on special

steel sequoia
#

charon is also safe, idk which is the safest.

low copper
#

Arc Flash is busted, just had a run with Black Coat, the 80% special speed hammer, and King's Ransom. 3.5k damage Blitz for each Omega Special, first phase was over in one special

loud moat
#

So it can both prime and proc itself?

mossy briar
#

What're you guys favorite familiar to use? I've pretty much only used frinos ever because of his hp boost, but now I'm wondering if any of the others could be better for beating the surface

loud moat
true flame
#

is the huntress arcana card active when you primed magick? Or do I really need to use before I can get the dmamage boost?

junior trail
#

i miss old geyser spout so much man

loud moat
low copper
spare kite
#

whatever is left after the prime is your new 100% (so priming to 0 doesn't work either)

elfin ivy
#

is there like a bug that makes Ares always give an Epic Boon on the Special?

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I've encountered him multiple times by now and every single time he's offered a Special Boon, it was Epic

hazy crater
#

It's quite possible that it's just luck

#

I've had much crazier random chance things happen than that before

wheat lava
#

How do I make staff work

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I've beaten 32 fear on every weapon besides staff

#

I'm still on 8 bro. That weapon is miserable to play

uneven palm
#

Stack attack hammers. Some combo of Wicked + Mirrored + Rapid and whatever you like on attack

neat lion
#

Does aspect of pan not work on bosses? It doesn't seem to track cyclops

polar chasm
#

Really don't understand how people say Typhon is easy when I'm literally playing with no fear, my best weapon and aspect, all the right stuff for my build, but still getting demolished by these attacks. Maybe I need to stop reading the feedback chat cause I genuinely can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. Only thing I can think of is death over strength? Like I've cleared 32 fear for both so I don't think it's a skill issue šŸ˜­

uneven palm
sly plaza
main beacon
#

just read
-Aetos will no longer swoop in to attack more than once prior to facing Prometheus
thank god because i literally saw him 3 times per run and once 4x. like a permanent aetos following me.

sly plaza
#

Iā€™ve managed to semi face tank him with everything from daggers to the staff using just attack centric boons and not much else

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Once you get a hang of his tusk charge attack at the very edge of the cliff most of the fight is fairly manageable I feel

main beacon
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Ā· Fresh Sustenance MAX: reduced Life recovery
it literally has MAX in its name. what gives?šŸ¤Ø

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just rename it to "fresh sustenance mid"

elfin ivy
grizzled igloo
#

What weapons work well with Ares at the moment, been trying him out and I feel like he'd slap with Mel Axe's innate high attack

summer seal
#

With the arcana changes, what loadout are you guys using for Charon? Using Strength ideally

spare kite
#

cuz you have a lot of % already so extra power is big

elfin ivy
#

I really don't understand his Boons properly yet, but the extra Power should work on generally anything. He's been surprisingly decent on the Flames

spare kite
#

+power on high base power stuff is not thaaat big of an increase

elfin ivy
#

Is the curse just +30 Power the very moment you inflict it and nothing else? Because I keep seeing dark red dmg numbers when I use his Boons

#

CD?

spare kite
elfin ivy
#

Oops wasn't paying attention lmao

spare kite
#

But yeah is basically that, +whatever t2 you get for it

#

Like blood drops on hitting wounded enemies or chance for double dmg on wounded enemies

elfin ivy
#

Rightt I see!

#

Also man Travel Deal is surprisingly good

#

Pretty much removes the risk of Charon not offering healing at the final shop

#

Just buy the armor and healing is guaranteed to pop up

#

Oh?

brazen ore
#

how's the melinoe skull these days friends

#

I'm a certified skull hater generally but it's got the bones aura so I guess I'm about to take it

elfin ivy
#

Tbf I've only tried that scenario once so far. Get the armor, get the sandwich after that
Ig I got lucky

spare kite
#

Hard to beat medea tbf but yeah mel is even more solid now

elfin ivy
#

Foolish carrying the Medea propaganda like Sisyphus and Bouldy fr

brazen ore
#

I sort of did not enjoy the attack pattern of medea, so let's try mel. Is the general goal ignoring the omega attack, regular attsck, and going in for stuff with omega special?

spare kite
#

Is somewhat fun with the new extra dmg

brazen ore
#

Ok so ignore all omegas save cast. Excellent my meatbrain likes that

spare kite
#

Cuz you want wide grin and I believe it still doesn't work with mel

brazen ore
#

excellent, meatbrain REALLY likes that idea. I truly appreciate the breakdown

#

Big fan of mash button + number go up gameplay. What boons do u like?

#

Alright let's try it then. Perhaps I will become a skull enthusiast

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Ok the real bad omega is special on the coat tho. Like has it been fixed or is it still unplayable

junior trail
#

Wide Grin + exceptional talent tho??

brazen ore
#

IS it? Bc for ages the tracking was more of a suggestion than anything

#

if its finally been fixed hallelujah

#

I did still hate it back then, so i suspect i still won't enjoy it. I would be right up in someones face, lock on, and half the missiles would spiral off into the ether

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I see. Well again I primarily love the coat for the meathead playstyle of I go Fast and I Get Close and I Hit with my Big Punches so that was usually when i was tryna special. Maybe I do again next time coat comes up in bone rotation

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hmm. My issue with pan HAS always been that i have to go and press another button about it

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pre-change momus was peak times for me

rotund walrus
#

Boys, i've done it
Glamour gain + poseidon/aphro duo boon
Flame flourish + hestia/aphro boon
Everyone is weak no matter where they are on screen, and scorch never depletes on weak people. I'm gonna beat this run at 80 guaranteed dps as long as i can survive

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Just had a 10 min eris fight

brazen ore
#

Nice

rotund walrus
#

It was a pain bc she kept flying up
So i'd hit them once and run away til she flew again

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U don't even need 80, any amount works lmao

brazen ore
#

Hestia dash for a prolonged eris death

polar chasm
rotund walrus
#

||Typhon|| is gonna be rough with this build though

brazen ore
#

bosses CANNOT harm you without your consent. Just Say No

rotund walrus
#

Idk why i didn't think of that

brazen ore
#

most people dont but im here with the giga strats

rotund walrus
#

Someone get this guy a medal for being so omega brained

brazen ore
#

hypnos isnt awake to be helpful so someones gotta fill in

flint sorrel
#

Is there any website that has the top builds currently. I canā€™t find anything.

polar chasm
elfin ivy
uneven palm
#

This isnā€™t true any more. The skulls bounce around a bit randomly after impact. So you canā€™t just stand point blank and collect your skulls forever

brazen ore
#

yeah i was gonna say, im not converted

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but lowkey i thought maybe i was just doing it wrong somehow

rotund walrus
#

Truthfully, the Prometheus fight is NOT balanced for someone who's gonna apply scorch once and run in a big circle for 4 and a half minutes.
If u just run away the whole time he CANNOT hit you

brazen ore
#

oops. i forgot you cant swear. anyway. then hercules killed me on a chaos boon because the timer doesnt pause for him šŸ˜­

brazen ore
rotund walrus
#

It should have taken longer lmao

brazen ore
#

at this rate you'll beat Big Daddy in, gosh. well under an hour

rotund walrus
#

120 damage a second and nothing more šŸ™ŒšŸ¼

#

Honestly i skipped everything i could in favor of health to prep

uneven palm
#

Close attack x3, special through feels optimal to me so far. Like front-loaded Medea

rotund walrus
#

315 health with strength for 50% damage res, 30% less damage dealt from enemies bc of weak, black coat hex for 20% less damage taken, 14% more damage reduction for potent weak, 9% dodge from infusion, 14% dodge (double from 7) when enemy is scorched, and athena dodge boon

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It's gonna be a LONG fight if i even get there bc that tail is hardly scorchable on the battlefield

glad nova
#

Can typhoon stop you from omega cast, or did I bug out at the worst possible moment in the last phase? failbag

rotund walrus
#

Honestly for the first time ever i think i'm gonna need silken sash for more armor/health

spare kite
#

armor doesn't get dmg resistance anymore so that's gonna get destroyed in a sneeze

#

I just take knuckle bones now with strength

rapid lagoon
#

The twins kinda feel like a joke

uneven palm
spare kite
#

or just go full violence with antler lol

#

but yeah defensive speaking there's only knuckle

bleak night
rotund walrus
#

I apply it and patiently wait while i dodge

rapid lagoon
#

You gonna need to dodge for 9 minutes on typhon

rotund walrus
#

I wanted to try out the duo boons, i needed hestia/aphro and poseidon/aphro

rotund walrus
willow phoenix
#

Go full firewalk at that point and just run around lol

rapid lagoon
rotund walrus
#

I can't give typhon weak ggs

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He wont keep scorch on him

#

I wanna thank everyone who believed in me. It was misplaced

rapid lagoon
#

Are you sure ?? I swear I was using the mana regen boon on him earlier

rotund walrus
#

Yeah, i land special and no scorch stays

rapid lagoon
#

Also it's a tragedy what happened to my boy deiynhous (I can't spell wine god) I miss my funni dot builds

willow phoenix
rotund walrus
#

The duo boon makes however much scorch i've stacked on them just kinda hovers them

#

BUT IT DOESNT MATTER
@brazen ore did it for you brother. 46 minute run. 301k scorch damage

willow phoenix
#

Oh so might be a bug with aphro hestia duo and Typhon, or maybe the pos aphro one? Anyway should just report it if it's not working

The aphro gain was working for me previously

brazen ore
#

šŸ™ šŸ™ šŸ™

brazen ore
willow phoenix
#

I did a hestia pos duo run and it was not working though, so maybe some duos are bugged

junior trail
#

might be something to do with the head/tongue hitbox

zenith wigeon
#

does anyone have a good black coat or axe build to tackle the surface? Twice i've died to big boi boss and gotten him real close but the bullet hell by the end chokes me up

spare kite
#

and blood drops are fun to stack with Than

grizzled igloo
#

okay played a bit more with Ares and tbh Wounds is alright but I think it's his Blood Drop Boons and Mutual Destruction + Hermes Boon that increases % chance seems to be the way

#

esp when I think Herme's % Boon also stacks with Crit and Dodge % it's really nice

spare kite
#

it directly says it doesn't work on dodge nor daze but yeah

junior trail
#

success rate is busted

willow phoenix
spare kite
#

his double dmg boons are fuuuuuun

grizzled igloo
#

ah mb still it seemed rly good with Crit

#

like... any crit

zenith wigeon
willow phoenix
#

Wounds are good for big damage weapons, but the double damage makes it viable with anything really

#

You can even transition to other builds like cast builds since the double damage applied to other damages

zenith wigeon
#

I do really like wounds on axe, I wanna run a aphro/ares run just to see how much damage I can rack up

spare kite
grizzled igloo
#

yeah Axe and Ares seem to be besties atm

spare kite
#

I just like hera for crowds

willow phoenix
#

My biggest so far is a 4k crit on the big chop

grizzled igloo
#

his swords also do a surprising amount of DPS as well like damn

rotund walrus
#

Where would i send a bug report?

zenith wigeon
#

feedback

willow phoenix
willow phoenix
zenith wigeon
#

I usually avoid hera because at that point I got hammers to make my attack wider and I let my swings do the work

willow phoenix
#

The hitch is nice and hera has big % boost

zenith wigeon
#

hmmmm true

rotund walrus
willow phoenix
#

Probably should've send it during the run but better late than never lol

rotund walrus
#

Fair i didnt know how šŸ˜”

hardy stream
#

I just got to start playing the new patch. I just wanted to make sure I was understanding how the wound mechanic works. The way it reads to me is every 3 secs my attack or special gets +50 attack power is that correct?

willow phoenix
hardy stream
#

does the %bonus from the boon affect the wound damage?

willow phoenix
cursive oyster
#

chat skull omega attack is actually really good now

willow phoenix
#

With apollo attack and wide grin it gets crazy

smoky seal
#

hey how does apollos self-healing work with Ares' new gain boon?

#

do we know yet or have we not tried that?

willow phoenix
#

Say you have like 100 hp

You get hit to 90, mortal gain takes 15 so now it's max 85. You have 85 health now.

If you heal for 5 hp you'd not get any current hp heal but it will heal to 95. You'll see 95 health on the next room

smoky seal
willow phoenix
#

Mortal gain is underrated imo

willow phoenix
smoky seal
#

cuz that is reminescent of Hera's pre rework born gain

#

imma try this now

glossy rivet
#

guys big chop ares build?

willow phoenix
#

If it doesn't then it should with the way the healing works

willow phoenix
glossy rivet
#

than axe + blood drops for super speedy big chops

glossy rivet
willow phoenix
#

I wonder how fast the big chop can get with blood drops

smoky seal
#

aphro maybe?

glossy rivet
#

or is mel axe better with big chop?

spare kite
smoky seal
#

those heartthrobs do massive damage

willow phoenix
spare kite
glossy rivet
#

oh yeah aphro+ares duo is pink mist esp with ares legendary?

spare kite
#

35 power to your massive 300 base isn't that big

smoky seal
#

yeah tried it last run

glossy rivet
#

ok gotta try big chop ares with thanaxe

smoky seal
#

i only lost at typhon cuz it was my second time fighing him

glossy rivet
#

how do u spend magicka for the wolf howls tho

smoky seal
#

its a hex

spare kite
#

you pray for executioner chop

willow phoenix
#

I used cast lol

glossy rivet
#

is that the +20 magicka for double chop? it stack with big chop hammer?

spare kite
#

yup

willow phoenix
#

Winner's circle makes o cast spammable

smoky seal
#

Hey what about apsect of Pan knives? that could work since typhons stationary

glossy rivet
#

can u even swing big chop if u run out of magicka with executionr axe

willow phoenix
#

And ares o cast is great

glossy rivet
#

blade rift... le good?

spare kite
willow phoenix
glossy rivet
#

epic

willow phoenix
# glossy rivet blade rift... le good?

I had an axe run turns into a cast run just because the blade rifts were dealing so much damage. The new geyser spout is great too for o cast spam with winner's circle

spare kite
#

winner circle is so fun

willow phoenix
#

If only it works well with hestia cast

spare kite
#

Oh it doesn't speed that?

#

Also the more I use it the more I love new engagement ring

willow phoenix
spare kite
#

Does W.circle updates that kind of info in the tooltips or did you check

wide hatch
#

does anyone have any tips for beating Prometheus šŸ˜­ i get to the very end of his fight and then explode... šŸ™ i get rlly close so anything can help if need be i can pull up previous builds so you can see what i work with

willow phoenix
smoky seal
#

gents we can stack rapture ring prominence flare blade rift cut above and depth charge.

spare kite
#

Prom flare and blade sounds like they'd block each other

willow phoenix
#

Hmm does cut above work with prom flare?

spare kite
#

Doubt it

#

Is not an Omega effect, is post omega, just like how momus doesn't copy it

smoky seal
#

still funny we can stack all those though

willow phoenix
smoky seal
#

perfect

spare kite
#

We added some visual clutter on top of your visual clutter

willow phoenix
worn oriole
#

Ok I genuinely have no idea how to fight Typhon

#

Genuinely what am I looking at

#

Help me lawd šŸ„²

willow phoenix
worn oriole
#

Ah so exactly what I thought, git gud. thx

willow phoenix
#

There isn't really any gimmick outside of eggs so yeah just don't get hit and hit him lol

spare kite
#

I can't give tips cuz I legit dunno his patterns on frenzy 0

willow phoenix
#

His main attacks have a pretty long telegraph so it's pretty dodgable, his tail will always aim at you so be careful when attacking eggs

worn oriole
#

Oh im doing it on max speed

mint halo
#

I had assembled a busted Zeus coat build on my first try and I felt like I just melted him

spare kite
#

If you are doing your first win against him I say just turn off frenzy

willow phoenix
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Doing your first fight on max frenzy is kinda crazy ngl lol

spare kite
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I get it lmfao

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Is just muscle memory and you forget to turn it off

worn oriole
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See my train of thought is that im gonna be doing max speed anyways so might as well do it, I usually have it on all the time

spare kite
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Or then you forget to turn it on and have to retrain yourself

worn oriole
#

So yeah I should turn it off so I can at least learn the moves and not pray I not* get hit šŸ‘

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Thx fellas

spare kite
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If you wanna face tank him you can do tough gain + brave face or dem's infusion lol

smoky seal
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also his hit box is massive

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unless you aim to the left or right you wont miss so dont worry about that

spare kite
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Also I like defensive posture from athena for her fight tbh? Easier to not get combo'd

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Same for prom (although this is me being oonga boonga), especially with mental block nerfed

smoky seal
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hey wheres this third critter at?

spare kite
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Raki at erebus fountain
Dog at echo's
Gale at shop before Prom

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Dog and gale need permission from hecate first, which requires the other pets

smoky seal
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wait they added three?

spare kite
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Raki and dog were added in Olympus

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Gale was added now

smoky seal
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okay guess i never found them somehow do they not show up if i use toula?

spare kite
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Nah

smoky seal
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huh

spare kite
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Prob you haven't seen erebus fountain?

smoky seal
#

safe zone or after hecate?

spare kite
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Safe zone

smoky seal
#

k just making sure im not blind

spare kite
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And dog should be a bit past echo

smoky seal
#

hey what weapon do you guys think would work best with an antler blood spree combo?

spare kite
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I did medea lol

smoky seal
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yeah that makes sense

spare kite
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Literally my last run, although I didn't even get to use blood spree

woven bough
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What does swift runner do now?

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How does the invincibility work?

spare kite
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You can sprint through enemies

willow phoenix
#

You can sprint through enemies

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lol jinx

spare kite
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Is not iframes, just mobility

woven bough
#

Oh, just not through theor attacks?

loud perch
#

i discovered a broken build that absolutely melts chronos

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you will need Aspect of Charon, the duo boon from Poseidon and Ares as well as the blade rift boon from Ares

rustic quail
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What do yall run on cast-based aspects instead of Night now?

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since the +power on omega cast arcana is gone now

willow phoenix
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ares demeter duo also increases the damage by a lot so demeter is always good for cast build

rustic quail
#

what about arcana?

willow phoenix
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apparently firewalk only reduces the damage of the fire prom leaves on the ground and nothing else, shame

serene stag
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i hope they never nerf ares cause i had his rare ranked attack on the moonstone axe with that one hammer that lets you attack after casting your omega and just MELTED my way through the underworld

willow phoenix
willow phoenix
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I'm gonna try to firewalk only typhon now

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actually kinda good, since typhon stays in place firewalk gets to do big big damage on him even without sprinting that much

south copper
#

@digital gull I know I'm in the minority here, but I love Selene, I often go for her Hexes and buffs to them, to walk the path. Look at my last two runs against Typhon, those hexes carried, making me near invincible for most of the fight.

willow phoenix
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I like selene too

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Hexes are fun

digital gull
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I'm perfectly happy with it when I'm going through lots of Magicka, or when I take aspect of Selene Coat, but it's not every weapon aspect

round quartz
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Selene is amazing if you are using magic
Only problem is that with some weapons/aspects, you are hurting your overall dps by charging omegas rather than just striking normally

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But I am also extremely biased to moon related characters and theming
And she's the literal Moon so yeah

willow phoenix
#

it's more of a problem with the general game design tbh with magick being one of the main resources in the game but actually totally optional. It just creates weird situations like priming being punishing towards magick builds but totally harmless to non magick builds

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And also with hexes like this

If say every single aspect all use magick in some form then there would be no problem with just using hexes. But right now non magick builds don't even use magick a lot of times, so they don't need to manage magick and they can't use hexes which is a problem game design wise imo

round quartz
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But what if you prime out your huntress :(
/j

willow phoenix
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It's fine of course to make magickless builds viable, it's just that generally magickless runs are totally fine or better than using magick which kinda just means that the implementation of magick is still lacking with it as one of the game's main resources

cinder palm
#

Chat is it me or is hermes' new legendary kinda bad?

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It just kills my economy so much

willow phoenix
round quartz
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Hermes legendary was nice for me

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Just don't take golden rule with it

cinder palm
willow phoenix
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High surf is actually bugged with typhon, shame

round quartz
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Oh what's high surf again? Is it new or renamed new?

willow phoenix
round quartz
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Ah I see

dawn cape
#

I do think that Eris is in a pretty good place now that her attacks are properly telegraphed, maybe a little bit too easy but that might just be me with max metaprogression running 0 fear

willow phoenix
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eris is very prone to being bursted which can trivialize the fight a lot

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even way before the nerfs, but now even more so

dawn cape
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Though I do think that the final boss is going to need a bit of a fairness pass on the bombs move, it just does an absurd amount of damage and stunlocks you so it combos with itself

round quartz
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Eris is so much more fair now, since my eyes can register the telegraphs better
It was impossible for me before

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And it made going for 32+ fear surface just impossible

dawn cape
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Yeah before this it was just "get close, rotate around her, and hope it works", now it feels like I can actually outmaneuver her

bleak night
round quartz
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Huge!

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gg!

dawn cape
#

Prometheus still feels like a brutal fight on the level of Chronos but that's to be expected from the surface route (and "on the level of Chronos" is tough but fair overall), and most of Typhon's moves feel like they're fair (the laser gets me a lot, but I can clearly see how you're supposed to dash through it and just miss the execution) but the bombs move is absurd

round quartz
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Small projectiles all over the place my bane (I don't play bullet hells)

dawn cape
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I'm more talking the part where he spits out three bombs with so much coverage you'd basically have to i-frame the entire explosion, and if you fail he hits you for like 100 (before strength) because the first bomb stunlocks you into eating the second and third bombs

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Also the healthbar gimmick is something that I really hope gets countered by an invocation at some point, it definitely seems like the sort of thing that can be countered like that because it's a trick to make the boss seem insurmountable that only works once

round quartz
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That one feels fine for me, though that does sound very rough

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I killed Typhon in like 48 seconds today
My damage was very very good
Riposte into crits <3

inner tendon
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How do you dodge the big ranged ball attack of typhon that splits into 3? My run ended cause 90% of his damage done to me was because of that lol

viscid rain
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I kinda returned to this game since the last 2 patches. What is the popular aspect and god boon combo these days?

round quartz
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Hera attack is just generally the play for most weapons
Demeter cast great for safety
Zeus Blitz good on whatever secondary strike you use to occasionally just throw it on

willow phoenix
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try ares on everything

half sigil
viscid rain
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I got rusty and still trying to get past the ship on high nightmare lol. But I will try the suggestions

bleak night
round quartz
viscid rain
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i was running Melinoe skull + Aphro but picked the shotgun hammer

half sigil
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I feel like it does better on special

inner tendon
bleak night
viscid rain
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ohhh

bleak night
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ngl with how the special auto collects your ammo now, Aphro probs isn't that needed

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You can still run Aphro though, but it's def not needed

viscid rain
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Did Hera attack get a buff recently?

half sigil
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No

bleak night
inner tendon
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I'm just glad that the last section of olympus (mini bosses before typhon) are pushovers so you can get to him pretty easily lol

bleak night
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there's a second one that does the exact same damage and AoE

half sigil
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Itā€™s hard to see whatā€™s going I feel like. Maybe Iā€™m not used to it but I feel like I have no idea what half the ads are doing

viscid rain
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Is the Hestia sprint still good against Eris? And is it worth to keep taking on Olympus runs?

willow phoenix
digital gull
half sigil
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The rooms are really short

surreal hazel
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once you get over the inital part of learning the new enemies, you should be able to breeze through it

half sigil
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Itā€™s nice imo

surreal hazel
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although I have had a few cases of being suckerpunched within a second of a room starting that probably needs to be fixed

half sigil
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Nice change of pace

surreal hazel
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Also, it seems like blood drops' attack speed boost thing works on different mathematics to the other effects in game, and for good reason

bleak night
surreal hazel
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it seems that when it is X% faster strike speed, it means it properly, so 100% would be double

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no the "50% faster" meaning double with rapid thrasher et al

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because if it did, you could get 100% bonus and have infinity attack speed and that would be silly

half sigil
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Infinite attack speed sounds fun

surreal hazel
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every bonus beyond that would be negative attack speed, you would hit enemies before pressing the buttons

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or the game would crash idk

half sigil
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Regardless Iā€™m not super convinced about the drops at the moment. The system is cool but the payoff is eh

surreal hazel
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(or it would just be one attack per game tick as a technical minimum)

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the speed is pretty nice

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but it does feel like the legendary is needed to make it really go wild

half sigil
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I mean itā€™s nice but 1: you need to build into it and 2: in most room, itā€™ll be over before you notice any change

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In most cases anyways

surreal hazel
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thing is that it does scale with fear, which seems cool

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more enemies that are tougher? More blooooood

half sigil
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I mean yea I guess

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Itā€™s not bad, I like the concept I just think they can do more with it

surreal hazel
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hard without treading on another god's toes

dawn cape
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I want old Burnt Offering back, the new version of it isn't nearly as interesting from a build perspective

jovial cove
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Brave Face with Mortal Gain is really funny

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I'm using my health for magic and my magic for health

half sigil
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Perfectly balanced

willow phoenix
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mutual destruction works with mortal gain btw, very fun

half sigil
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Which one is that again

willow phoenix
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I lowkey like mortal gain

half sigil
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Yea mortal gain is good

willow phoenix
half sigil
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Oh. Hmm I doubt primed health counts

surreal hazel
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Brave face with Tough Gain will always be great

willow phoenix
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It refers to your real max health for calculation

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I'm using mortal gain with possessed array and it's eating my health alive lol

half sigil
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Uh weird. For magic on similar stuff itā€™s based on max magic after prime

willow phoenix
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ah I can't go below 15 health with mortal gain

stable lichen
#

wait, now that engraved pin counts as a DD can you use it for last gasp

willow phoenix
mild sparrow
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what the

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bruh i need to retype everything okay

stable lichen
mild sparrow
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how do you guys use chaos keepsake more effectively? most of the time i have something bad by the time i can change the keepsake OR the good thing goes away because i was too far from the cabinet at the region checkpoint

bleak night
mild sparrow
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nah its all goood

bleak night
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whoops nvm lol. I don't really use the Chaos keepsake ngl

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it's just pure gambling, no other thing to it

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Experimental Hammer is a gamble people prefer

stable lichen
bleak night
stable lichen
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hammer is fun because you can get 5 hammer builds

mild sparrow
willow phoenix
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Hecate keepsake is nice for extra magick

stable lichen
viscid rain
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Does Proper upbringing (Hera boon) proc as a passive?

bleak night
# mild sparrow isnt that a temp bonus tho?

if you equip it after Sirens it lasts througout the entire Underworld run, if you run it after Hecate it will last until Chronos if you take as little encounters as possible (take every shop, take every miniboss, don't take extra Tartarus rooms)

willow phoenix
stable lichen
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oh huh

bleak night
stable lichen
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guess i just canā€™t read then

willow phoenix
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I just used it so mortal gain didn't eat me alive lol

stable lichen
#

idk, if iā€™m hard pressed for magic i just use dog

mild sparrow
stable lichen
#

presumably the same

mild sparrow
#

rift of thessaly seems like it would just chew and spit out the duration on the hammer

stable lichen
#

oh wait, not the wheel the hammer iā€™m so sleep deprived (guess why)

bleak night
stable lichen
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i didnā€™t realise typhons tongue didnā€™t have a hit box lol

bleak night
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I'll do some fun runs now, I don't want to touch 50 fear for another 2 days

stable lichen
#

i thought it swept the whole screen when you can literally just avoid the laser by going forward

bleak night
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there's a hitbox when he does the laser thing ?

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I played my previous run a bit too safely

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my build was kind of disgusting though

mild sparrow
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question, do you guys plan your build in advance or do you just see what you get and optimise from there on? like starting keepsake, particular god, boons, etc.

bleak night
willow phoenix
bleak night
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usually I'll take another god keepsake for the 2nd region as well

mild sparrow
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i see i see, because sometimes theres runs where say i wanna optimise my specials and the daedalus hammer just gives me all attack stuff. then sometimes theres no high rarity boons for the thing i want, or i dont get the right god/hammer etc

stable lichen
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i just found out the tongue itself doesnā€™t hurt you, only the laser does

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and i was thinking ā€œthatā€™s a lot of damage for a move wiping the entire battlefield up to 2 timesā€ since i thought both the tongue and laser hurt you

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also i swear the tail falling is the hardest part of the fight, itā€™s really hard to see the tail shadow coming down sometimes with all the visual clutter

bleak night
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the tail falls on the egg you're attacking

stable lichen
#

ahhhhh

bleak night
#

ye

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I had to study the fight for hours before I continued my 55f attempts

cinder palm
bleak night
stable lichen
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itā€™s really annoying, but i think eventually when we do the fight enough weā€™ll get the dash rhythm to neutralise it

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i wish there was a practice mode for bosses perhaps offered by chaos, going through the entire surface to practice dark beast ganon is a pain

past salmon
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tbh head slam idk
I just react to it ig?
Bro starts it I mash dash back šŸ˜­
Its definitely tight tho

bleak night
#

You have to fully dash away from the ugly mfer

past salmon
#

thats not very nice
I think Typhon looks great for his age

bleak night
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He does, but I hate him so he's uggo to me

stable lichen
#

dark beast ganon looking mf

cinder palm
surreal hazel
#

he does mate with echidna though the motheriest of mothers

cinder palm
#

Thank god you can play range on every weapons in h2 lol

bleak night
surreal hazel
#

so that part is true

past salmon
cinder palm
bleak night
surreal hazel
#

Also typhon is cerberus' dad, so who is the real monster in that fight

stable lichen
past salmon
surreal hazel
#

(It's Typhon, it says right there in his title)

stable lichen
#

the laser tongue ig

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since if youā€™re meleeing you can basically ignore the laser tongue

cinder palm
#

Is strength still the goat on survivalbility even tho it got moros pin nerfed btw?

bleak night
past salmon
#

what move is the eye cannon

bleak night
#

and he mostly does it when you're mid range it seems like ?

surreal hazel
#

laser tounge is like the easiest thing to dodge, just don't get suckerpunched by the backswing

stable lichen
past salmon
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the one that goes to the back of the room or?

bleak night
stable lichen
bleak night
#

I stopped trying to understand the trajectory

surreal hazel
#

it's an easy dodge even then

bleak night
stable lichen
#

except when i forget it can return and hit you sometimes

past salmon
#

oh
That move is one of the easier ones imo bouldy
the little wormy thingy mabobs are the worst imo

cinder palm
#

Okay so I tried to do the dark side geyser spout cast cheese build bouldy

surreal hazel
#

that's easier? The faster a sweeper attack moves, the easier it is to invuln through it

past salmon
#

also Eggs are like rough I think
If you don't have cracked damage the fight gets super complicated very quickly

stable lichen
#

the hurricanes are annoying because they blend in with the battlefield

bleak night
cinder palm
bleak night
stable lichen
#

the fact that the hurricanes are black and grey and red which is the same colour as the arena means i often get hit a couple times before i realise lol

bleak night
#

Oh you meant the sweeping laser ?

past salmon
surreal hazel
#

yes

bleak night
#

I thought you meant the red ball mb

surreal hazel
#

nononono, that move is horrible

bleak night
cinder palm
stable lichen
#

how many bullets does it split into lol

bleak night
#

The red ball in phase 2 is worse because the red ball explodes and splits into 3, right? Those 3 also split into smaller ones that also do AoE

surreal hazel
#

everyone will get clipped by the laser's second pass on phase 2 by not remembering/realising it's a thing

cinder palm
#

Now that I think about it how many of his attacks stun you bouldy

bleak night
stable lichen
#

em4 just gives typhon the bruiser perk

surreal hazel
#

he gets a bigger chin

stable lichen
surreal hazel
#

his tail turns up during prometheus

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Aetos is still there, because that fight needed more stuff on screen

stable lichen
#

speaking of which i really hate that his claws and tail can still hit you when they appear after youā€™ve cleared a room

cinder palm
#

Lowkey I kinda wanna be able to kill prom's bird during the fight lol

bleak night
stable lichen
#

love how after iā€™ve killed all enemies i get hit with a 30 damage shockwave when i think itā€™s safe

cinder palm
bleak night
stable lichen
analog ether
#

Finally got a chance to play the new update.

Did they jack up the projectile speed on the staff special?

surreal hazel
#

reworked it

cinder palm
surreal hazel
#

it's now a short range piercing shot rather than the pinball wizard

past salmon
#

I'm not a big fan of hidden HP bar
I hope we get an incantation or smth that lets us reveal it later

bleak night
#

it was cool the first time

cinder palm
#

I really thought it would be in the same patch but apparently not šŸ˜”

surreal hazel
#

Typhon has the Worry-Free perk