h2-builds-and-combat

[willow phoenix]

No offense but do you just facetank Prom? I reckon you'd find similar results if you facetank cerb too lol

Prometheus has patterns and downtimes, despite not looking like it at first glance.

• 1st phase, he does 1 strong attack then stops
• 2nd phase, 3 attack string with 2 light attacks and 1 strong attack
• 3rd phase, either 1 strong or the 3 attack string
  Aetos mixes things up but you can also just wait out Aetos.

I'll admit his patterns aren't that clear at first glance. You can try running around without attacking to test yourself. Trust me, he's not that complicated if you know what he's doing.

With Prom being pretty tanky, you can't expect every run to just trade hits and burst him like a lot of other bosses, unless you have some insane dps build.

[neon crown]

with prom i end up facetanking a lot since a few attacks dont have tells or windups you can see on time before youre hit with all the screen clutter you end up having from 10 different boons. dont have that issue with most other bosses since you dont have enough for it to be a problem area 1 / 2, and cerb/chronos have a big body/weapon

kinda just a skill issue on my end though i guess

also automaton rapidfire hitstun does NOT help me maintain over 60% of my HP by prom

[willow phoenix]

The attacks are kinda hard to react on the fly as they're pretty fast, it's much safer to just wait until he stops after doing his attack patterns. Him moving around is his indication that he is starting to attack again, but when he stops he just stops. Particles shouldn't also be a problem when you're just waiting and running. If you're not on timer it shouldn't be a problem to just wait out his attack patterns.

When you get more comfortable with his pattern and rhythm then you can start sneaking attacks during his attacks. Hexes help a lot too in either maximizing your dps during his downtime or to keep attacking during his attack strings. If you have huge dps you can ignore all of this though lol, you can just force him to change phases every time he stops with enough dps, not allowing him to do anything.

[somber ermine]

Has anybody tried to make Circe staff work with Incandescent Aura? I feel like the serenity magick restore should do a lot of damage, especially if you get Mirrored Thrasher.

[bleak night]

With Mirrored and Incandescent, it's usually stronger to just run Hestia MP regen since it does damage every time you attack

[olive sphinx]

Can someone help me understand Medea skull?

Is the idea to be in the rhythm of "1 attack -> special" constantly in succession non-stop or first stand there, load all 3 skulls and then special?

also I ALWAYS struggle with survivability with this aspect because constantly using the special on enemies means they have too many chances to attack me (esp. with armor) and charging the omega special takes an eternity??? So I end up taking tons of chip damage all the time...
for example i really hate fighting polyphemus because using special means youre constantly bumping into him and he has tons of that stupid stomping or jumping towards you, I take a TON of damage all the time..

Idk i want to like this weapon but i struggle to make it work

@compact nest you said you liked medea skull 👀

[compact nest]

huh

oh yeah spam attack > special repeat for sure

[olive sphinx]

its not worth charging all 3 first?

[compact nest]

for poly just never be infront of him always attack from his sides

[compact nest]

no because that breaks the flow.

3 attack > special means you need to do a unattacked special to get your skulls back

plus with the "optimal" setup of having blitz you are constantly applying and detonating blitz

[olive sphinx]

but what do you do when he's stomping a lot? just have to sit and wait? or omega special?

[compact nest]

to be completely honest i usually just facetank him or just abuse athena immunity

medea does SO much damage you can just ignore his damage since you should've entered the fight with high hp

[olive sphinx]

i dont do the strength arcana usually

also what about other regular enemies? using regular special constantly means being vulnerable? like i take so much chip damage idk what to do about it..

[compact nest]

ah yeah im primarily a strength user now.

But without strenght he waits like 3~ seconds post immunity shield bfore he starts stomping

[compact nest]

cast roots the enemies in place, constantly be pressing it and if cast is ever not on the field something is wrong. attack + special should be killing everything in a pretty big area

so you only need to worry about projectiles

[olive sphinx]

hmm

what are the best hammers btw?

[compact nest]

colossus mega driver, melting tackle, possessed array

[olive sphinx]

wide grin not good?

[compact nest]

it makes you instantly load all 3 shells, and i said why that isn't good above

attack> special is always better than 3x attack > special

[olive sphinx]

i do like a big burst of damage.. but yeah i get that

[compact nest]

its a DPS loss unless you really need that big lump sum of damage

you always want an attack primed when you special

and 3x attacks/wide grin makes it so your next special can't have one

unless you like... walk back to the skulls and pick them up wtihout specialing

[olive sphinx]

oh what about that stupid miniboss in oceanus? do you just like..... avoid that room lol??

[compact nest]

hydra? hes honestly not so bad after they made medea detonatation range easier specifically for that boss

before it was actual cancer you had to manually wait out the detonation timer lmao

[olive sphinx]

oh okay haha

[compact nest]

or pray he went to the like 2 spots on the map you can dash through him at

[magic moss]

if you collide with any wall the skull instantly explodes, so in oceanus if you try to special to any point thats out of bounds (say the edge of the arena leading into the water) then the skull explodes

[olive sphinx]

ohhhh i didnt know that

[trim shoal]

How good is the poseidon omega cast build with mel staff and lucid gain considered? I personally find it really fun, but it never seems to work on high fear thanks to setup time.

[pseudo sequoia]

definitely not good for high fear or speedruns or anything but it IS free infinite magick omega casting which is fun if that helps

i would also personally try going for local climate from demeter as well since that really synergises with lucid gain

doesn't sound good on paper but it does make the cast follow you while charging it so it helps with positioning

[trim shoal]

ok

[magic moss]

its actually pretty good imo

[neon crown]

how do people attach images like that here i dont see an option to upload an image

[willow phoenix]

Put a link to an image, it works. You can't upload an image here

You can try something like uploading an image in your own discord server then copying the link here to stay in discord

[neon crown]

thanks

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1340423316342571011/1340423397901074452/Screenshot_2025-02-15_at_3.39.52_PM.png?ex=67b24e11&is=67b0fc91&hm=c0dacf25d252541fa3f50f669635836a0d2c5e7dbcf651c425a3ac10c6d7151c& never seen a heroic chaos boon

[sage flame]

it's such a broken interaction, since barren is so rare, it always seems to give it heroic, which makes it last wayyyyyyy to long for it to be worth

it should be like doomed, you have like 2 maybe 3 encounters

cause it's fundamentally actually kinda interesting if the reward is good

I don't think I've ever seen below heroic rarity barren myself

[trim shoal]

Sorry for off topic, but if I have good damage and mint condition (but not trusty) on aspect of artemis (hestia attack and hera cast) on 50 fear, am I better off going for pin or going adamant shard for trusty shield in oceanus?

[neon crown]

this is the first time ive seen either. Kinda assumed theyre only appearing along each other

[sage flame]

trusty is worth if ur in oceanus i think

[neon crown]

yeah though, eight encounters is a lot with no arcana esp with a boss coming up

cool in max heat when you dont have any in the first place

[sage flame]

yeeeeep

so real

[neon crown]

i got murdered by jetty

not worth it

[sage flame]

ope

[neon crown]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1340423640147300526/1340429910321397832/Screenshot_2025-02-15_at_4.09.31_PM.png?ex=67b25422&is=67b102a2&hm=8072c9972b3ebef55641ad9f4fba49278836045b8aa0a680ba3696ec344e0690& wtf?

again??

[analog quail]

pfft

[sage flame]

86 magick aint even worth it

88 health more impactful prob

[neon crown]

i alr took barren for the funny

plus O attack build/hubris

[magic moss]

if you are above 60 hp then heph for oceanus, otherwise I would pin for safety

[trim shoal]

I went for heph and he got onioned then never appeared again and i died in fields so

[magic moss]

yup happens in oceanus

[sage flame]

yeahhh

[magic moss]

imo the play is to save at least 3 rolls and 1 artificer charge for oceanus

[sage flame]

gotta try to get onion before miniboss

[magic moss]

if you get early major, roll for onion

[sage flame]

hard tho cause miniboss feels like chamber 2 in oceanus lol

[magic moss]

artificer can also get rid of onion if lucky enough

[trim shoal]

ok ty for advice

[west beacon]

I have Ice Strike, Nova Flourish, Smolder ring, and Burnt Overing. My latest hestia boon had only 2 options, hot pot and slow cooker. Can anybody tell me why I didn't see either the apollo or demeter hestia duo boon? and now i'm getting Spare Wealth. should i report this as a bug?

[willow phoenix]

Duo and legendary boon has a chance to appear, it won't appear just because there's no other option

[analog quail]

they made it so that you don’t always see a duo or legendary you’re eligible for if you’ve exhausted everything else because it was really busted before they made that change

[west beacon]

damn, so i just keep looking for hestia boons hoping its not spare wealth?

[sage flame]

or look for apollo too

looking for the other gods is better than praying for duo over spare wealth

[west beacon]

Ive got the disappearing choices contract on so it would just suck to see something i want and the duo boon. But ty ill deal

[fair horizon]

With that vow it's generally a bad idea to look for boons beyond your basic build, it's as likely the game will force you to substitute a core boon and ruin your build. Past a certain point it's safer to avoid boons. Also use the boon list which shows you which boons have already been eliminated.

[scarlet token]

i got it 2 runs in a row today LOL

[west beacon]

Is Vow of the Void (less arcana at disposal) circumvented by Judgement card (activates 5 cards on guardian kill) or does it only activate cards up to that initial limit?

[brave lynx]

it bypasses it

[west beacon]

even on 0%?

[compact nest]

you literally can't activate it at 0 arcana.

[timber pawn]

I mean theoretically with crystal figurine you could

[compact nest]

ok, fair

but you also lose 5 cards of value cause i don't think it lets judgement proc at the same time

[timber pawn]

Believe you're correct, it is not appealing to me to test so I'm not sure though

[gritty solstice]

´someone knows a interesting Moros Aspect Build?

[sage flame]

the straight forward big damage explode ur screen is hera attack, zeus special, probably hera gain, and then you use ospecial when it runs out and spam oattacks

[magic moss]

I now officially have 1,000 50+ Fear Clears Logged!

There have been 947 UW clears, and 53 Surface 50+ Fear clears.

Here are some stats I've collected over the past 5 months of 50 fear runs!

The Fastest 50 Fear Clear is a 9:02.49 by Foolish using Moros, and the Slowest Clear was by yours truly with a 22:48.56 using Thanatos (That is 840 overtime damage!)

The top 5 most picked core boons are...

1. Sworn Strike 497
2. Arctic Ring 356
3. Heaven Flourish 225
4. Storm Ring 220
5. Blinding Sprint 183

The top 5 least picked core boons are...

1. Volcanic Strike 8
2. Tidal Ring 10
3. Nexus Sprint 13
4. Stamp Rush 14
   15 Breaker Sprint 15

The top 5 aspects with the most number of clears are...

1. Thanatos 111
2. Moros 73
3. Mel Coat 71
4. Medea 65
5. Momus 64

The top 5 aspects with the least number of clears are...

1. Perspehone 32
2. Charon 39
3. Eos 40
4. Mel Torches 41
5. Mel Skulls 41

There were 113 clears using at least 1 level of the Vow of Void, with 70 of those clears being at 51 Fear and higher. To no ones surprise, Titan and Strength were the 2 most picked Arcana to use with Judgement runs, being picked 96 and 91 times respectively.

Strength has a whole rose to great prominence in the Olympic Patch with its rework, being part of 769 total clears!

The Olympic Patch also introduced Athena, which has been an absolute gamechanger. Out of the 1,000 clears, Athena has shown up in 791 clears. Factoring in the 53 surface clears that allow for Athena's natural spawn, that means Athena's keepsake Gorgon's Amulet has been used 738 times! Here are the stats for the 6 Athena Boons picked.

1. Mental Block 504
2. Divine Dash 174
3. Stalwart Stand 77
4. Renewed Faith 54
5. Phalanx Shot 2
6. Defensive Posture 2

Patch 4 had a final total of 490 clears, so lets compare some stats to there.

Poseidon had an insane rise in the Olympic Patch, where his pickrate skyrocketed from a 12.86% in Patch 4 to a 27.10% in the Olympic Patch.

Hephaestus on the other hand had a drop in pick rate due to the removal of suffering, but the value of armor (especially Trusty Shield) increasing with the new Strength arcana meant his drop wasn't as significant. He went from a whopping** 86.33% (!) pick rate** in Patch 4 (Higher than Athena!) to a 69.50% in the Olympic Patch.

Judgement being allowed for Void runs has definitely made 51-53 Fear clears significantly easier, with me having recorded a total of 102 51+ Fear clears compared to just 7 from patches 2-4. There have been 16 (!) 55 Fear Clears in the Olympic Patch alone.

[fluid crystal]

dawg I read the first sentence and thought you meant that you, as an individual, had done 1000 50 fear runs 😭

this some neat data though, and gives me some ideas of what to shoot for when I try 50 fear

[brave lynx]

The fact Athena is that highly picked is so depressing

[cursive oyster]

i mean i was expecting it to be more of em tbh

[brave lynx]

Needs a nerf

[bronze ginkgo]

The mention of poseidon here made me realize Pan wasn't in the top 5, how interesting. Ig Pan is more dominant in speedrunning than high fear

[brave lynx]

Pan losing to wards

[wise idol]

Yeah pan is somewhat fine nowadays from what I understand, but it used to be horrible and is still not great now for fear stuff

[magic moss]

nah pan is fine, it really just comes down to 50F experience

[bleak night]

Pan is good now because you don't take 50+ damage on first hit for charging too long

[timber pawn]

goodbye 112

[wise idol]

Doesn’t that sorta arguably make it not great? Like if the average player is having a lot of trouble 50f’ing it that explains it right

And that’s coming from someone who first tried pan and enjoyed it a lot

[timber pawn]

Im not quite sure what you're getting at here and wondering if you misinterpretted mynt's comment?

[brave lynx]

Let pan dodge while charging like charon can pls sgg

[wise idol]

No i was still responding to mini

[timber pawn]

ooh my b

[wise idol]

Sorry took too long to type

I also think I described my point poorly anyway

[timber pawn]

no worries

[timber pawn]

this would be kinda neat honestly. consistent behavior across weapons sounds like a good thing to me

[brave lynx]

Completely agree.

[magic moss]

no, pan is in a fine state even at 50F because hecuba covers a lot of mana problems early so you can focus on damage. When I say experience at 50, i mean it in the fact that if you dont have experience then everything feels not great

[timber pawn]

as it stands, until someone tells you that you can dash mid charge w/ axe, you'd assume that you can't because every other weapon behaves not-like-that

[wise idol]

Fair I suppose

[magic moss]

like i can consistently clear with the staff because i have the experience and practice to do so without needing good boon or hammer rng

so its not really the fact that staff is hammer reliant or in a bad state, its just people arent experienced enough with the weapon to make it consistently work

[tall notch]

Okay now you're just coping

[magic moss]

its not cope if i can consistently do it, thats just a skill issue from the rest of yall

[silent crow]

i mean if you have to be that good at the game to make the weapon consistent isnt the weapon still worse than the other weapons because it requires so much work to be good

[compact nest]

staff at its best is worse than some other weapons at their mid point, let alone their peak

[magic moss]

with pan sure i could see it, with staff? absolutely not like half the people who play it dont even bother trying to use the special

[compact nest]

ive come aroundon staff and don't think its bad anymore, but don't think its good

just others are so much better

[silent crow]

perhaps its a design issue with the weapon that nobody wants to use the special and a guy on discord who logs 50f clears for fun has to tell people to

[compact nest]

^

it doesn't feel good, doesn't look good and doesn't deal good damage

can you MAKE it deal good damage with good boons? sure

but others do the above baseline

[silent crow]

optimal staff gameplay should be more. obvious i guess

like in hades 1 it is much easier to figure out that special - da - da on the sword is good

[magic moss]

ive come to really dislike the "staff is bad" argument because most of the people who say it dont try to make the full kit work

[silent crow]

i dont think staff is bad but i feel like the way to make it good w/o rng is obtuse

[magic moss]

i dont need rng to make it good thats the issue

[compact nest]

and you are one of the best players on staff period

i have zero doubt you can make it good. But if you need to be that good to still not be the best weapon in the game its not exactly a good look

others have a lower skill floor for bigger reward

staffs low skill floor for monkey spamming attack is low, and weaving in other things is "complicated" increasing that floor without much instant reward

or even reward in general tbh

[viscid bloom]

Personally we feel that the staff followed by the jet pack followed by the daggers are the easiest weapons to use and the skull is by far the hardest, though the jet pack is by far our favorite especially with Selene.

[magic moss]

i got so confused as to the usage of “we” for a moment before i realized your name was 2 people

[past salmon]

One can consistently clear with every aspect if they are good
Regrettably this doesn't stop staff being lame or Persephone being ass

I do like Momus tho

[neon crown]

What’s the general playstyle for flames? Only aspect I’ve really used is eos and that was chaos trials

[tall notch]

Wait staff has a special?

What does it do

[willow phoenix]

Spam o special, all of the aspects like doing this lol. You want generally 1 o special running when you're attacking, maybe more.

Generally being closer to the enemies is much better for your damage output because of o special. You can put zeus or hera on special for a lot of damage. For attacking, hera or apollo works well on all 3 aspects

Also, since all of the aspects eat through magick, hex is really good on torches. I like getting moon beam on biome 2/3 to have very powerful hexes

[stable lichen]

i wish mel torches buffed the omega attack instead of the ospesh, its the only one which can do the long range omega attack spam playstyle

the optimal way to play mel torches just feels like "we have moros at home" since you're basically forced into close range to make use of the ospesh buff

[magic moss]

man i died p2.2 chronos in 47 boonless i rushed too much and died to tempuses

that was a throw

[sage flame]

smh

[wooden sleet]

How do you beat that boss at the end of the overworld route, his attacks seem so much harder to dodge than everyone else

[quick crescent]

going with a dodge chance build (greater evasion, wispy wiles) isn't ever a bad idea

it might not necessarily catapult you past beating the boss but it can give you enough survivability to recognize all of his attack patterns so you don't get caught out unawares

[spare kite]

https://youtu.be/vr3VfMbkqmo?si=LPbpztqw0GvjgFuO

[quick crescent]

i personally like taking a super-pommed hephaestus ability up to him, since the blast effect gives you a window of slight slowdown to spot and evade his attacks. it's not necessary but it's a welcome bit of help to an admittedly stupid fast boss

[compact nest]

dodge through him, it avoids most of his attacks

stand still so he stops and starts his attack chain, if you keep running he will keep chasing

[sage flame]

yeah standing your ground to let him attack is the key that made me a lot more consistent on him

[mortal pier]

I only have one upgrade left that I need to get for Revaal but it won't give it to me. Can you just not get Mega Driver when using the aspect of Medea (my go-to for the skull) or am I just really unlucky?

[compact nest]

you absolutely can

[mortal pier]

Cool, so my luck has just been absolutely abysmal, good to know lol

Any tips to try and get it?

I go for the Hammer whenever I can, and I usually use the keepsake to help as well, but so far I have gotten literally everything but that lol

[past salmon]

There is not tips
Just get luckier

[mortal pier]

Unfortunate😢

[compact nest]

not really anything you can do to force it

i mean like technically you can get better odds on your 2nd hammer by taking fetching or destructive array first if you miss

since they are mutually exclusive

[mortal pier]

True, I've tried that a couple times

[tidal hinge]

Hey there! New to this channel so not sure if this is the right place, but quick question: can I safely sell Hera's legendary? Had a run earlier where I could've sold it at the tarturus fountain but I didn't want to risk losing all the boons/elements it gave me, but I feel like that wouldn't happen. Just want to confirm! Death to Chronos 🙂

[timber pawn]

I believe you may lose the elements, but you should keep the infusions

[austere swan]

According to the wiki this is correct

[tidal hinge]

good to know thanks yall! I had the chaos boon that gave +3 of each so I guess it wouldn't have hurt too bad, but i could see that being problematic for certain infusions that only work when you have a certain amount of elements

[surreal hazel]

That is correct, funnier still is that you can get it again later in the same run to get the remaining 4 infusions

so honestly it's well worth selling unless you're drowning in cash already

and well worth giving for burnt offering if Hestia offers that boon for it

[pine chasm]

After beating prometheus for the first time on my third ever run with the black coat, and winning a Chronos fight with my first ever run on the weapon, I legitimately can't tell if Blitz is just overtuned, or if the weapon is. I havent even upgraded it all that much.

[spare kite]

Blitz is just silly

[willow phoenix]

Blitz is just generally very strong

Personally I don't rate the coat that high compared to other weapons

[pine chasm]

The crazy thing is that I don't even use the Zeus artifact to get it started, it just shows up. The coat feels the most like a Hades weapon (the gauntlet), and when I'm able to get the attack faster hammer, the weapon has just felt absurd. And here I thought Scorch was the most broken effect (I'm might still be, not sure).

[timber pawn]

Blitz hasn't changed all that much but for some reason a lot of people thought it was weak on release

[magic moss]

TO ALL 50 FEAR RUNNERS, I WILL BE ACCEPTING OLYMPIC PATCH CLEARS UP UNTIL 48 HOURS AFTER THIS MESSAGE. LAST CALL

[rich belfry]

We got ares boons finally!!!!??????
Oh my god I'm so excited to use his boons into my builds

[worn oriole]

F in the chat for Flood Control 😢 goodnight space cowboy

[gaunt nymph]

I beat the surface first try after update

[stable lichen]

nooooo

cant believe they got rid of the dashstrike omega attack cancel on the coat

that was my favourite way to play the coat

[vital jackal]

The new staff special feels extremely bad in my opinion

[stable lichen]

wait, did they rework armour + strength? just took 22 damage with strength on from an anchor dude (no vows), i swear they normally only do 11 with strength

[rotund nacelle]

"Any damage resistance effects you have no longer affect any Armor you have"

[magic moss]

For any Warsong Patch 50 clears, please ping me. It will take a decent while to update everything, so expect the sheet for the Warsong Patch to be fully functional in about a week (could be earlier, who knows)

[stable lichen]

deserved, but still sucks

[ember portal]

What’s this patch looking like?

[rotund nacelle]

"Vow of Fangs: removed certain combinations of Perks that were unusually cruel..." Please tell me this means stunning wailers are gone

[stable lichen]

or invulnerable enemies

what’s the trigger for ares appearing? reaching 4th surface biome?

also i can’t believe they didn’t touch circe lol

i feel like the new staff special seems like a nerf for circe in fact

[magic moss]

ill do a lot of staff testing once i have time

[main beacon]

new boon, as if hermes couldnt get more goated: https://imgur.com/a/XtiHpnC

50% is INSANE

[stable lichen]

isn’t there one which reduces dash cooldown

dash cooldown seems insane, apparently it’s 25% reduction for common according to codex

[magic moss]

Can someone do me a favor and ping me any name changes to the core boons?

[main beacon]

bro they nerfed the staff

i dont have exact stats for you but the special is much slower and doesnt ricochet. it pierces in a straight line. cooldown between specials is really long in comparison to how you used to spam it

[sage flame]

if it's not done by the time I get off work in like 3 hours I can help out but good luck

[stable lichen]

cant believe they actually made circe worse lmfao

also RIP fig leaf

[magic moss]

did they actually?

[stable lichen]

the special is now hot garbage

[main beacon]

straight up, idk if they actually lowered the damage. im not having too much use from it on momus either rn

[magic moss]

as if people thought old special was good

[stable lichen]

its somehow even worse

[main beacon]

btw that hermes boon that increases % chances works with shocking loss, zeus legendary boon. brings it up to a deadass 30% chance to instakill jeez

[stable lichen]

also did they put temu mental block on a 1 cost arcana card lol

[stable lichen]

i mean it wasnt that good to begin with given that it does nothing to bosses

[granite grove]

i need to know if there'a a way to tell how many blood drop stacks you have

[stable lichen]

omfg i briefly had a stroke while seeing new tall order

i thought it was 8 of each element lmao

[magic moss]

ill hold off on my judgement, people said old staff special was garbage but i thought it was good so

[stable lichen]

i liked old staff special

[steel sequoia]

oh boy new update lets go

[stable lichen]

does amulet work on olympus now

apparently not

[high talon]

yall beat the final boss yet?

[main beacon]

wait oops https://imgur.com/a/tQT7gJn

heartthrobs arent that good... or are they? i currently have a 60% chance for enemies to create blood drops

[high talon]

heart throbs are rlly good if you stack them

like with the apollo duo

sunny disposition

[main beacon]

this one would give me like about 20-30 heartthrobs per room nearly instantly

but it wouldnt work in boss/miniboss rooms tbh..

[high talon]

anyone had a run with the final boss yet?

[main beacon]

yeah

i have a vid up on my youtube though its like the second half the fight. took 4 mins at 0 fear

[high talon]

is it just me or prom and chronos were very hard at launch, I beat this final boss first try though

it took like 10 runs to beat prom

the new boss is like so slow

[sick tide]

I lost to him, but I also freaked out and wasn’t sure if it was scripted

[main beacon]

yeah pretty light. ALSO HAHA just got that new duo boon anyway from aphrodite showing up immediately. i took grievious blow from ares

[stable lichen]

whats everyones first opinions on the new arcana

[main beacon]

https://imgur.com/a/2dl5fAl idk why it didnt upload pic the first time

[stable lichen]

im on the fence about using messenger since it seems like budget mental block but in practice it seems like it doesnt do much

[main beacon]

whats the new arcana hold up hold up

[high talon]

i only did one run, didnt see ares

what is the wounds curse

[stable lichen]

lmfao i have a 31 grasp arcana build from prepatch

i can actually use it

[main beacon]

https://imgur.com/iA2f1jt

so like 50 power every 3 seconds is mid but theres ares boons that ride off of enemies having "wounds"

[lime eagle]

Hades' Blood Drops scale really high. Kind of hard to play with that level of move speed.
https://youtu.be/Xg0mCnKKwEY

[round quartz]

I tried to Pom Pom Pom Ares special
And Echo didn't give it to me despite have level 5 on it </3

[stable lichen]

dude with a gun >>>>>> charybdis

[granite grove]

Yeah getting the legendary just made the speed potential go tenfold

really really funny i really hope it doesnt get nerfed (it likely will 🥲)

[viscid frost]

no he's kicking my ass

[high talon]

Reminds me of risk of rain lol

[sick tide]

Guess who didn’t realize Moros’ keepsake canceled out strength until today 😭 😭 😭

Ruined a great run

Also does Uncanny Fortitude continue to add health as you pick up more magic?

[stable lichen]

they changed that today lol

calamity ganon typhon absolutely destroyed me lol

i got to the first zeus attack phase and then just kinda died after he did his laser attack twice in a row

[carmine lagoon]

wait is hermes's success rate (+30% chance of x happening) additive or multiplicative?

because like if its additive wouldnt that make ares's +200% thing happen like half the time lmao

[timber pawn]

Believe it's multiplicative

[carmine lagoon]

we cant ever have the favourable maths 😔

[magic moss]

the one time where additive is better

[sick tide]

Ok, beat it on second try, but almost fluffed it -_-

Had 414 HP with strength, and finished with 39

But the stacking Selene Coat Hex put in work

[tribal wedge]

was scorch changed? its not applying consistently anymore

[stable lichen]

is divine dash the best athena boon again now that mental block has been gutted

divine dash also benefits from the new hermes dash sooner boon

[atomic sandal]

what's the set to play Strenght? My saved arcanas somehow only saved death defiance and judgment build

[uneven palm]

do you mean like overall? rolls + cash corner, strength, don't take defiances, rest is up to you

probably gonna shift other things around when you change aspects or fear

[atomic sandal]

there was a go to build for overall stuff

[uneven palm]

Especially with the brand new patch right now I'd really say "it depends" on everything else

[uneven palm]

Would it be what you were using with defiances, but drop defiances and swap in Strength?

like tbh if you're using rolls+cash, strength, and not using Excellence and Unseen you're probably fine

[stable lichen]

messenger seems basically insignificant to me am i using it wrong

it sounds really strong since its sounds like "we have mental block at home" + a speed boost for 1 grasp

[atomic sandal]

got a build going, but I killed Typhon with 10 hp remaining first try so it's werid lol

[stable lichen]

i third tried typhon, the no health bar thing is really getting to me

[neon crown]

I thought it was pretty cool

[atomic sandal]

I thought it was one of those bosses that u have to survive and couldnt kill

[stable lichen]

its kinda cool but i like heaving health bars to visualise how much im doing

[atomic sandal]

too long of a fight

[stable lichen]

also is it just me or does he look like BoTW calamity ganon lol

[neon crown]

Not enough limbs but I see the comparison

[stable lichen]

also why does he look almost indian

ig chronos has egyptian vibes too

[steel sequoia]

dude what is this new boss omg, i dont feel im that rusted this typhon is insane

[dawn cape]

Since mortal gain pops damage numbers, does it also proc revenge boons?

[stable lichen]

the double tongue laser keeps getting me lol

especially since each swipe deals 50 damage with strength with zero fear

thank god i got my 32 fear statue before typhon

[neon crown]

It’s 25 not 50 with strength

@upper flame #h2-feedback message I think it’s intended

Unless you mean non primed health

[stable lichen]

huh, mustve been hit 2 times really quickly then

[neon crown]

Guess so

Psychic whirlwind carried first win real hard there

[stable lichen]

same lol, even so he brought me down to 40hp before the fight ended

the lack of a health bar makes me play a bit too defensively

[neon crown]

I think I probably should do that more too

Spin to win probably won’t work a second time

[stable lichen]

i do it too much lol, i get really really scared and just dodge repeatedly which eventually results in me getting hit

because i forget that i should actually be attacking him to further the fight

[toxic grotto]

Do you need to do anything specific to unlock the new god

also that new heph mana gain is insane on heroic with strength lol

prometheus was hitting me for like 5 😂

[surreal hazel]

Get to the summit i believe

[stable lichen]

cant believe born gain has been left intact

[midnight pulsar]

I cannot believe they re-added crit builds

[steel sequoia]

ive won but took me 5 minutes and i was blasting with charon, getting out of mana sometimes, really difficult

and they also buffed prom? the dodges are annoying

[stable lichen]

did they?

[midnight pulsar]

yes

the new Ares boon that is functionally crit is completely absurd and stacks with already existing crit

[steel sequoia]

i didnt even found ares yet

[midnight pulsar]

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738915636851507245/1341907379335462912/image.png?ex=67b7b422&is=67b662a2&hm=6fba0ec342961127358579a608aeada023399bd8839b274443fa258e901113ee&||

he has a second one that does something similar, too and they stack together ON TOP OF stacking with crit

||https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/738915636851507245/1341911850723311821/image.png?ex=67b7b84c&is=67b666cc&hm=0c0ed7bba3701392c7bafdfb17c7f096c529b30faca3f357c784de8cf56c75fe&=&format=webp&quality=lossless|| critting like this on dagger is very very nice

Other weapons like the axe could push this way higher

[stable lichen]

oooo, i get what you mean

so is ares the new best % god now

[midnight pulsar]

it's legit just
if opponent has wounds (which applies on your attacks): you get hades 1 crit

[stable lichen]

also family favourite being back is a surprise to be sure but a welcome one

[midnight pulsar]

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/420358634279796746/1341913792736530604/image.png?ex=67b7ba1b&is=67b6689b&hm=c3eb27d10103bb5bc43c6c8ced98fb9f300310be9088170fb8d6355fc30a2953&|| my run that did it was 2 fear because I just wanted to see the final boss but the crits I was getting were very silly

[tacit mauve]

Ares honestly feels op

It's obviously only day 1, but he's gotten me a strong build every time I encountered him

[stable lichen]

wait, dionysus doesnt count? damn

[tacit mauve]

And his build range is insane considering how he only had 2 things going for him in the first game

[midnight pulsar]

Some of his boons are stinkers but grievous blow and blood drops stuff are really amazing

Wounds is a really nice curse too imo

[tacit mauve]

I had a blood drop build with the cloak, it was insanely fun

I also got both his Apollo and heph duo in one run on staff, which just made omega attack op af

[stable lichen]

unironically 32 fear underworld feels easier than 0 fear surface now

[magic moss]

tbf youhave like 10x the number of uw runs than surface

[midnight pulsar]

32 surface was what I cleared first with pre-nerf prometheus and he feels baby mode now

[stable lichen]

thats completely fair, ive basically only beaten calamity ganon once out of three times while i can basically beat 0 fear grandpa on autopilot

i keep forgetting the flying red blobs on the summit are enemies and not projectiles lmao

[steel sequoia]

underworld is so much easier than surface, but i believe they will put some harder content later

[stable lichen]

i mean theres EM4

whats everyones opinion on the new staff special

i dont like it

id appreciate it a bit more if it didnt push you back

[fallow cobalt]

EM4 is gonna be crazy for both final bosses I can already tell

[stable lichen]

EM4 dark beast ganon typhon about to do 200 damage with one hit

[fallow cobalt]

Darren Korb please start shredding once more

[fallow cobalt]

Full body typhon 👀

[stable lichen]

idk why but he just keeps reminding me of BoTW dark beast ganon

[fallow cobalt]

But actually hard!

[stable lichen]

lol yes

it would be cool if the other olympians tagged in instead of it being zeus every single time

[fallow cobalt]

Im just scared for three phase Chronos

[stable lichen]

honestly im more scared for EM4 typhon, 32 fear grandpa is easier than 0 fear typhon

i just hope theres an incantation for a typhon healthbar coming soon

[fallow cobalt]

oh I'm sure there will be if Chronos can have a pause incant

[stable lichen]

ive become too reliant on health bars in this game to determine when to attack

for bosses if i know its near a phase shift or death i tend to be inclined to just go facetank and burst em down asap

[fallow cobalt]

Typhon's phases are rather obvious tbf

And after the first one you could get a sense of rhythm

[stable lichen]

not really, im just running around like a headless chicken lol

[twilit tendon]

Is it me or pan got weaker ? There's nothing that directly mention a nerf in the patchnotes except for the hammer but I feel like I struggle a lot more against bosses

[stable lichen]

i mean they did give hecate and scylla more hp

and gave all bosses immunity to the cast bind so that might be it for such a cast heavy aspect

[twilit tendon]

I went surface

Maybe its the binding thing then

[radiant stirrup]

I just noticed.... zeus dash doesnt cost magick anymore....

[twilit tendon]

Cuz prom just kept escaping

[twilit tendon]

Oh nooooo rip sprint build

[radiant stirrup]

wdym rip

isnt that more op now? you dont even need to invest in magick

[sharp island]

ok so what counts as a "strike"?

[sharp island]

I think he is talking in reference to the zeus boon that lighting strikes when you use magick

[radiant stirrup]

ohhhh spirit surge

[junior trail]

spirit surge

[radiant stirrup]

its still doable imo

[junior trail]

less fun to play with tho

[radiant stirrup]

true but now you can take it on pretty much any run

[twilit tendon]

It won't proc the "lighting on mana spent" boon anymore

[radiant stirrup]

we just said that

[twilit tendon]

So much going on on discord I missed it mb

[radiant stirrup]

I think its better if you can take it on any run now, instead of only being able to take it when you have magick

even if you're doing a run with magick, you still might not want to take it bc of how much it consumes

[junior trail]

i wonder if its feedback thing or its balance changes

i kinda don't like the changes but at least its a bit easier to use now

[radiant stirrup]

they probably want people to use it more on regular runs instead of doing zeus sprint builds over and over

[magic moss]

have yet to play it

[junior trail]

wait no did they remove the follow effect in local climate??

[stable lichen]

its a demeter ares duo now

sucks they removed the +100 power omega cast arcana

was wondering why i was doing weirdly little damage with charon

[junior trail]

sadge

[steel sequoia]

its something from my head or mobs really run from you after moro pin activates?

[stable lichen]

wat

[unique perch]

Anyone else feel liek the first games weapons were just much more intresting

[fallow cobalt]

Actually I like 2's more

[unique perch]

The only weapons i feel like i end up using in this are the Axe and the Daggers

[fallow cobalt]

I am a skull enjoyer

[unique perch]

I liked that at first. Maybe i just dont like any of its aspects

First game was mainly the spear and gun but i think i used them all alot more than in this

dont like the jetpack at all

The ultamants also felt a lot better than the moon

and i defently miss Artemis boons

[primal phoenix]

Artemis boons were my favs. These auto-attack arrows, the big hit criticals... my Queen

Just unlocked black coat, what boons do you guys use with these ?

[uneven palm]

The O special blades come out slower now (they fan outwards over a little time). That's probably what you're feeling

[slim jetty]

Would appreciate if someone helped me with this: I’ve managed to stack an ungodly amount of armor from the silken sash keepsake. Will it disappear if I switch the keepsake?

[magic moss]

@stable lichen https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942172255080558/1341940373915701363/Staff_Combo.mp4?ex=67b7d2dd&is=67b6815d&hm=fba54149db52173e1244121f00f7ae29b5a468e81df8d337618505bf457a5524& brother this new staff special is insane wym

[slate trench]

New crazy build- persephone skulls(for omega cast dmg boost), new Hermes cast speed boon, new posideon gesyer spout, new ares blade rift after omega cast, lucid gain

Those blade rifts last so long and stack

[stable lichen]

yeah i quickly realised it could be chained lol

i tried to do the special spam thing that old staff spesh could do and that failed miserably

[lavish sable]

did they change Bridal Glow from Hera?

[gaunt coyote]

Good god, i dont know if i was just that lucky or if Ares is just silly on Mel Axe. Picked up a bog-standard build with dashing cleave and a rare Ares attack and absolutely dumpstered Typhon. Did nothing but mash dash attack in his face and he just fell over. Dash attack cleared 250k damage over the run, bonkers

[stable lichen]

yep

it now makes one boon heroic and gives it levels

they also changed rare crop

[lavish sable]

broooo
i just started a run and got ares attack

[stable lichen]

ares is rather broken

[lavish sable]

although, should i take common bridal glow over epic engagement ring?

[gaunt coyote]

No wonder Mel is holding her axe in the promo image. B A N A N A S

[stable lichen]

depends on build ig

[lavish sable]

well, i just started the run

[stable lichen]

why is preserved hope now charity bottle lol

[primal phoenix]

Is Ares only first found in the underworld ? Did a couple of run in the surface but have still to bump into him

[gaunt coyote]

Have to beat typhon once and he should be the first boon on your next surface run? Iirc

[uneven palm]

Don't have to beat Typhon, just get to him. Ares will show up on the next surface run

[primal phoenix]

Oh alright, thanks

[uneven palm]

[i speak from experience]

[primal phoenix]

Well I don't think it will be for this run, I don't particularly vibe with the black coat rn ://

[stable lichen]

im still sad they removed the omega attack dash strike cancel from the coat

[uneven palm]

My gut is long term it’s probably better. Things just being slightly out of big punch range on Selene stinks

[stable lichen]

also success rate is actually so broken lmfao

+30% at common for stuff like pressure points, grievous blow and lethal snare sounds hilariously busted

if im interpreting this right, level 1 common PP + common success rate gives you 34% global crit

[uneven palm]

Success rate is multiplied

[stable lichen]

oh ok thank god lol

[uneven palm]

So like 4% PP with an epic 50% Success rate is 6%

Still good, but not like actually insane

[stable lichen]

im never buying an anvil again it just swapped out my thanatos psychic whirlwind for hell splitter and siege shredder right before chronos 💀

[uneven palm]

I think I'm the only person who likes Hell Splitter on Than haha I'm like "oh could be worse"

[nimble hamlet]

with no frenzy hell splitter is super fun

[keen laurel]

what are best boons for dagger?

[nimble hamlet]

depends on the aspect

[gaunt coyote]

How is Open Heart a real boon they let into the game 😭 Ares is gonna get nerfed to hell but it's going to be bloody fun while it lasts

Also Mel Skull is.... great now??

[golden flare]

is there a good way to avoid that 80 damage tail attack?? v confused by it. dashing thru doesn't seem to work

[tidal hinge]

this new Aeres boon that makes blade rifts with Omega cast goes crazzzzy with momus

[neon crown]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1340423316342571011/1341959370694725724/Screenshot_2025-02-19_at_9.27.04_PM.png?ex=67b7e48e&is=67b6930e&hm=17d9f0cb56c422a7bcc8503e300aae94d0e28e952b919c910473e3341bc17df3& dammit

[timber pawn]

Is this the charge up laser thing

[golden flare]

the thing that sweeps horizontally

[timber pawn]

Oh, on the final boss?

[golden flare]

nope on the tail earlier on

i guess you could describe it as a laser attack? it is one of the red ones

[timber pawn]

If it's the one that it sits there charging for a bit, behind the tail should be safe

[unique perch]

Huh so i have level 10 volcanic strike

with the aphrodity duo

[gaunt coyote]

Spammable ranged attack, cracked mobility with 2 dashes, complete disregard for magick consumption, is the base skull the new best aspect in the game? I might've gotten lucky with the reworked auto-return hammer but wow that was something different

[magic moss]

not by a long shot no, medea is still stronger and got buffed

[stable lichen]

wait there was a medea buff?

[gaunt coyote]

Oh god they buffed medea, i havent even touched it yet 🙃

[magic moss]

skull retrieval on special

[stable lichen]

oooooo

[gaunt coyote]

Ohhhh, that buff seems universal to skull. Return range is huge

[stable lichen]

wait, do the skulls retrieve on special regardles of where you are

[trail python]

does anyone know if heinous affront (wounds inflicts 'after u take dmg effects') works with visceral impact (after dmg is taken or foes are slain, spill a blood drop)

[gaunt coyote]

Idk medea might have a higher damage ceiling but mel feels extremely consistent and safe now for having lesser damage

[stable lichen]

holy thats actually insane

[gaunt coyote]

Not anywhere, but the range is yuuuuuge

[steel sequoia]

man i can't even play here in brazil is too heaty jeez

[trail python]

not sure if heinous affront applies only for dmg effects or it ounts blood drops

[gaunt coyote]

get the skull return hammer and it's lights out, one-button game

That in combination with the 5-skull mag hammer feels like eris-rail levels of damage output and safety on Mel skull

I goofed my build and didn't even end up with origination enabled, everything still just died

[dull mist]

good boons for aspect of artimis?

[compact nest]

depends if you want to go all in on the big number funny build or not

[dull mist]

i've mostly just been running with hestia and aphrodite, demeter if i can find her

[compact nest]

If not its just the exact same as regular blades. Hestia is good, posiedon can work for single target if you want that. Apollo for some more range, basically anything that gives you more damage

[wintry plover]

new skull feels beast

[compact nest]

Hestia attack + demeter anything else is the strongest thing you can run when you get their duo

But if you wanted to to do the big number funny hehe omega attack build with the parry then you gotta go all in on stuff like aphro attack, demeter omega damage etc

ares is good too cause he adds flat power to the attack which scales off crit

[dull mist]

noted!

[candid bear]

What is a good build for the latest weapon (the gauntlets + rockets, don't remember the name)

I was thinking of Poseidon special but I'm not sure

[waxen garden]

I like Aphro attack + Hera/Zeus special

[fervent cipher]

Just beat the surface boss with the umbral flames, and I could not lose with the build I had. Went Ares + Poseidon, got the duo and the Poseidon legendary, and then I got the Ares + Hephaestus duo, and then the Hephaestus+Hera Duo, which was bonkers. Didn't use a single DD and I was not playing carefully

[radiant stirrup]

so what is ares good for? I havent been able to think of anything. sure the damage boost is nice, but its only one time every 3 seconds, I'd rather have aphrodite boons to do big damage all the time

specifically the attack/special, whoops forgot to say that lmao

some of his boons seem really good, but I cant find a weapon I would put his attack or special on over aphrodite

[fervent cipher]

I've just been toying around with him since he's the new thing, but I do really like the duo of Ares and Poseidon. It gives your splash effects a 25% chance of double activation. So I get Ares Wound on the special and Poseidon splash on the attack, which is then doing more damage because of the Wound.

[radiant stirrup]

what does wound do? I thought it was just a one time bigger hit every 3 seconds

+50 power to one hit or whatever

[fervent cipher]

I'm honestly not great at interpreting these sometimes, but what it says literally is "Your strike has +50 power when inflicting this. Can be re-applied every 3 sec." So yeah it seems like maybe it's +50 power every three seconds. I don't think it's every hit during the wound, but it could be. Regardless, though, it's more damage.

[radiant stirrup]

I wish there was a way to test it

[fervent cipher]

and he has the Grevious Blow build where wounded enemies have a chance to take double damage when struck.

On epic rarity, it's like 20 or 25% or something

[willow phoenix]

Only 1 hit that triggers the wound get the bonus power

[radiant stirrup]

yeah that seems not good at all

[willow phoenix]

Ares does deal insane damage though with grievous blow and mutual destruction

[radiant stirrup]

I would rather stack aphro boons

[willow phoenix]

I really like it on mel axe and daggers

[radiant stirrup]

wouldnt it be terrible on daggers? it only triggers on one hit

[willow phoenix]

Grievous blow is a thing

[radiant stirrup]

idk what that is

[fervent cipher]

yeah, wound by itself will be underwhelming, but if you're just throwing wound on the attack or special and not doing anything to support it, you're doing it wrong. The ceiling for wounds seems like insanity.

[willow phoenix]

20% chance thing to deal double damage on wounded target

You can even stack it with mutual destruction

[radiant stirrup]

I just dont see how the wound effect is any good at all, a singular hit every 3 seconds is boosted, thats it

[willow phoenix]

Try it with mel axe

[radiant stirrup]

aphro is just better on the axe

[willow phoenix]

The blood drops work well on it

[radiant stirrup]

consistent big damage all the time vs one hit every 3 seconds

seriously, I dont understand

[gaunt coyote]

Ares’ real strength seems to be in the stacking of all his secondary boons. He sorta feels like a new Artemis

[willow phoenix]

It's not really every 3 seconds when it applies based on enemy status, so you can nuke every small enemies

[fervent cipher]

it seems like you're not trying very hard to understand, to be honest. People here are giving you more details that push it over the edge, and you're just ignoring those details.

[radiant stirrup]

so? I can nuke every small enemy with aphro boons

[round quartz]

First hit on an enemy

[willow phoenix]

If you won't try it you won't know how good it is. So really I don't think you want to know

[radiant stirrup]

ngl ares seems like some high fear bs that I dont really need to care

[round quartz]

So it's not a damage boost every 3 seconds if it's different enemies

[fervent cipher]

Sorry, it really seems like you just don't want to engage with anyone on this. You've clearly made up your mind, and nothing we say will influence your thought process (even pointing out supporting boons that you admitted to not knowing). It seems like pursuing this line of conversation with you is a waste of time. And I don't say that to be mean. You're allowed to just dismiss something off hand and go on about your life. Follow your bliss. But don't ask questions if you don't care about the answer.

[radiant stirrup]

bro typed an essay on discord, lmao

this is the internet, its not that serious xD

[fervent cipher]

As I said, man. Happy for you. Doing something that makes you happy. Keep on keeping on. But if you don't want answers, don't ask questions.

[sick tide]

For the updated skulls is the Strat basically to get a percentage boon on attack and then spam it while getting origination somehow?

For Mel skulls

[round quartz]

Seems like it
The omega attack is pretty nice as well

And getting the hammer for more skulls is probably first choice for more damage

Apollo attack goes well for big aoe on omega

But it's also like
Just go Hera because hitch lmao

[sick tide]

She’s just too good

[round quartz]

Speaking of Hera
New engagement ring is very strong

Burst aoe is crazy with it

[sick tide]

Oh, also, how’s the new familiar? Anyone tried it?

[round quartz]

I haven't gotten it yet
I only did 3 runs today

First run I beat new boss but used like 7 moon waters on the fight
Second run I tried to pom pom pom Ares special but Echo scammed me (but I got to try Ares Legendary from the reward repeat)
Third run I beat new boss with a normal amount of health lmao

[round quartz]

Seems interesting though

[sick tide]

What’s a normal amount of health?

[round quartz]

Like i had like 200 or so
Took around 50 damage
Instead of 350+ LMAO

[willow phoenix]

Moon water runs are fun, I had like a 30 moon water run once

[round quartz]

First fight I took 391 to new boss
Next time it was like 39 I want to say

[river meteor]

can i get some tips on how to get further on the surface? I find it significantly harder than the underground and struggle with the first two bosses a lot

[willow phoenix]

Don't get hit 👍

Seriously though, if you struggle with mobs just get freeze, like on demeter cast is very nice. Don't get greedy and try to trade hits with bosses, their attacks are very dodgable

[quaint orchid]

is there like a list of ares boons

[neon crown]

if you got the codex then yeah theres a list of every boon

[river meteor]

thank you :) do you have any tricks for the timing/avoiding eris' attacks? especially the one sniping one

[round quartz]

Eris has more telegraphed attacks now, so it should be easier
Either run for cover or learn the timing to dodge right as she shoots

[willow phoenix]

There's an indicator before she shoots. For the sniper shot just sprinting around should work

[shy stratus]

Haven't looked into Ares's duo boons yet. Any cool ones in there to look out for / build around?

[round quartz]

Ares Aphro looks very strong

[willow phoenix]

I like ares hestia

I got like 1k damage per fireball, it was insanely good for clearing rooms

[round quartz]

Hera Ares is fun

[willow phoenix]

Ares zeus seems fun for more burst too

[woven bough]

With daggers, is pan still thr best aspect or nah?

For surface

[willow phoenix]

It's still brain dead good, just not as broken as before

[wild sun]

Okay, anyone have a good suggestion for a strong jetpack build? Any aspect.

[tacit mason]

I am a bit confused on the Ares curse Wounds, does it just boost the damage on the initial hit or boost all damage dealt while the enemy has Wounds?

[willow phoenix]

Initial hit, it deals bonus damage on applying wound to enemies

[tacit mason]

so its like a faster percent version of Hephaestus boons

[willow phoenix]

Well Heph runs on a global cd while wound is enemy dependent

[tacit mason]

hence the faster bit

[sick tide]

Hmmm. Would Ares be good for Mel Skull or Medea Skull Attacks? Or are other gods (like Hera and Aphro respectively) just a lot better?

[round quartz]

Only on the special I guess?
The percentage increase is just stronger for attacks
But even with special you would prefer Zeus Blitz

[runic bough]

Just pulled myself away from the update. Having a blast but Ares feels insanely OP to me. Just the wounds alone are strong but the blood drops and /several/ boons that offer ways to double your damage are just so much. There's no way it stays like this is there?

[sick tide]

Is the there any weapons you especially like with him?

[sick tide]

Thank you!

[gaunt coyote]

Mel axe felt cracked with ares. All his pseudo-crit potential sends damage numbers to the moon, and the blood drop pickups turn it into harder-hitting Than axe once they start to stack up too

[runic bough]

The highest damage I had so far was aspect of Momu with Ares on Special / cast (omega cast meant repeating blade whirls) and aphrodite on attack with wicked/mirrored thrasher. Literally blew threw Typhon's health like it was nothing

[gaunt coyote]

Put aphrodite on magic regen just for the other half of Origination and everything just melts

[gritty abyss]

Blood drop on attack/wounds plus legendary ares plus eos. Hit 250% on the surface final fight
It was like shooting a laser beam

Also was moving so fast that dash would take me all the way across the arena
So much has to go right to get it up but if you luck out you can hit like 10k in a combo

[gaunt coyote]

Ares feels like a new version of Artemis from H1. Base % increase is nothing to write home about, but all the secondary effects stacking together turn him into something else entirely

[sick tide]

For Eos is the channeling time speed up arcana pretty crucial now? Tried a run without it and it felt like it took forever to do the omega attack, but haven’t had a chance to try it again with it

[gritty abyss]

Needs to be eos too, other torches slow shots when out of mana
Eos you can fire forever

No the strong part of eos now is the fact that you can fire the base attack forever

Ignore omega

Eos is top tier if you're a good dancer

Adding support fire would be extremely funny too

[sick tide]

Oh huh, good to know

[magic moss]

omg another eos believer

[gritty abyss]

Eos has been amazing since October and has only gotten better
Nobody believes in eos supremacy

[strong cloak]

What's the best weapon against typhon?

[gritty abyss]

I'm extremely very biased
But eos

[strong cloak]

I respect bias as long as it gives results

What do you normally build with it?

[gritty abyss]

Yeah go as deep into ares as possible, i just finished with ares attack, blood drop when attacking a wounded enemy (lucked out and got it to 30% but lower numbers still work)
Then blood drop legendary (autocollect)

Then just fire, dodge, and eventually the world will be ash

[strong cloak]

Ok sick! I'll give it a go :)

[gritty abyss]

Eos is great because you can separate dodging and attacking, which feels important on typhon

Also you can tap special while still holding attack if you want to rearm your omega

[strong cloak]

Noted

[wild sun]

Noted for a later run

[glossy rivet]

ok how do we feel about ares boons

blood drop might be a good fit for jetpack special builds

[sturdy minnow]

It doesnt seem like it should work but ares attack is really good on moros torches

Though that could be just moros being really good dps or blitz being insane

also arc flash from zeus (proc blitz when omega moves deal damage) seems like it could be insane on torches

[glossy rivet]

oh yeah its zeus buff update

[candid mountain]

i have a question

if im Worry Free, is Blood Spree still being tracked by the game?

[brave lynx]

should be. just because you cant see your hp doesnt mean the game cant

[sand rampart]

hate rocket goats so much :3

like so much

[candid mountain]

well other dio options seemed meh, so i hope so

[brave lynx]

depends on weapon/build. drunken stupor is very good

[willow phoenix]

It surprises me everytime to see hangover deal so much damage

[candid mountain]

nah i had epic restore hp if taken damage, but i have heroic blood spree so i thought i dont need that

and it wont help on final boss which im currently struggling with

[willow phoenix]

Does blood spree health limit scale with rarity? It's only like 40 right

[candid mountain]

max hp is good but now idk where its at

its 40 but life restore scales

but with Strength and Mutual Destruction seems deece

[willow phoenix]

Right, so honestly I wouldn't count on that for the final boss with him dealing so much in 1 hit

[candid mountain]

looks like a good run so far

[willow phoenix]

Mutual destruction is fun with it though

[candid mountain]

to be honest the worst part were the projectiles but ive got divine dash now

[rotund walrus]

Hi i'm not very good and can only seem to win with axe/aphrodite
everything else seems kinda weak in comparison am i missing something?

[candid mountain]

not sure if it works on them though ive only fought him once

[willow phoenix]

Oh I wonder which projectiles can be deflected

[candid mountain]

its very interesting because i can win with everything except the axe

[willow phoenix]

Try axe with ares, it's fun

[candid mountain]

well ive only just started playing the update and havent had axe have the bone grasp

[willow phoenix]

I like staff a lot and I think it's pretty straightforward

[willow phoenix]

I wanted to try the new staff special but the bone grasp keep not picking staff

[candid mountain]

i used to only love skull, but a week ago i started fresh save, and yea, staff is awesome, everything is

[willow phoenix]

We live at the whims of bone grasp rng

[candid mountain]

except the axe, my experience spin to win was the way to go but it suffers in like region3 and 4

[cinder palm]

Okay so moon water clears the last surfave boss lol

Legit healed the 150 dmg he dealt in one go

[willow phoenix]

I like all aspects except Circe, Nyx, and Mel torch tbh. Honestly Pan too but that's more because it's boring

[rotund walrus]

I've won 3 times with the axe and not with anything else

[candid mountain]

havent tried all the aspects yet, plus theyve been reworked a bunch too

ive been doing lots of fresh saves

[willow phoenix]

Moon water is so strong for boss fights, especially if you get it early. You can get like 30 stacks of it and dodging just becomes optional lol

[rotund walrus]

It feels kind of bad bc i can't seem to use anything else to much effectiveness

What is moonwater

[cinder palm]

Yeah been struggling with typhon but this + strength made it a breeze lol

[candid mountain]

so far ive only tried moros torch i believe which is decent

[willow phoenix]

My personal boss killer is lunar ray, it deals so much damage

[willow phoenix]

Moros is top tier, the damage output is very big

[candid mountain]

ye i looked at what i could invest into and just maxed moros

[rotund walrus]

Are all aspects viable?

[willow phoenix]

And you eat magick like crazy so it fits great with hexes

[brave lynx]

everything can clear high fear.

[rotund walrus]

Oh sick

[candid mountain]

do we ever see typhon hp

[brave lynx]

currently no

[candid mountain]

or its like mega satan

also, is it a good idea to grab that arcana that gives gold for surface?

i get so many shrines and shops its kinda overwhelming

[willow phoenix]

I always take it personally

[brave lynx]

reroll corner is good.

[candid mountain]

its not needed in underworld so i havent been running it

[willow phoenix]

10 rerolls makes crafting a build easier

[candid mountain]

but after one run on the update i need it

[willow phoenix]

Having a lot of gold feels good on the surface, lots of hermes shops to throw your money at

[candid mountain]

and i see myself less and less using rerolls

[rotund walrus]

Is it worth trying to fit in the increased rarity on boons arcana

[willow phoenix]

No imo

[candid mountain]

i use the epic one but its easy to get that one

duo boons arcana seemed to do nothing, i get way more duos without it for some reason

[willow phoenix]

That's just rng talking lol

[candid mountain]

tall order and rallying cry activated, lets go

[magic moss]

Update on the sheet, I should have everything ready to go by tomorrow

If there is anything anyone wants me to track as a misc stat for the coming patch, please let me know as soon as possible. Makes organization easier

[jaunty bison]

blood drops with the legendary in the rift is crazy I've frequently gotten over 100%

[lucid musk]

Do we think with the update to argent skulls and the fetching array that wide grin is actually good now?

Ok I’m trying wide grin with fetching array and it kind of slaps? I’ll update at end of run

[neon crown]

#h2-feedback message @lucid mirage it increases the base damage of one attack/special every few seconds, along with the listed % damage buff

[brave lynx]

every 3 seconds specifically

[tribal wedge]

Which is better hereditary bane or ecstatic obsession

[surreal hazel]

Kinda working out what Ares' Infusion actually boosts and how

I'm guessing it's non-white damage numbers?

[surreal hazel]

every 3 seconds per enemy

Ares, understandably, wants you hitting as many different enemies as you can at once

[brave lynx]

yeah that.

[surreal hazel]

kinda like hera, only sort of not quite that much

confused the heck out of me when I saw Ares was full earth, and I was like "But I tought Hera ... opens codex... oohhhhhh"

[brave lynx]

yeah hera is omnielement now

[surreal hazel]

makes more sense for her Legendary now

Also also, dang Blitz got a buff, like, dang

[twilit tendon]

so Ares is earth-only in her stead ?

[surreal hazel]

yes

[brave lynx]

from what i remember yeah

[surreal hazel]

and his infusion requires 8 Earth which is... a tall order

[twilit tendon]

makes sense

[surreal hazel]

it's kinda bananas

[twilit tendon]

lmao that's... yeah that's tall

same for Hermes now

[surreal hazel]

+50% olyimpian damage, whatever that actually means

[brave lynx]

the joke was that tall order also needs 8

[surreal hazel]

hermes is any 8 elements

well

any element raised to 8

[twilit tendon]

that doesn't make it any easier xD

just that if you pick earth, well you benefit from both

[surreal hazel]

Hermes also has that chance booster that seems designed to aid ares

[twilit tendon]

it's probably too soon to know but are there some new strong builds with all the rebalancing ? I mostly noticed some nerfs for now

[surreal hazel]

I dunno mate, blitz is way better now

[lucid mirage]

Ohhh ok. Thanks

[glossy rivet]

man blitz is mega strong

[meager bramble]

How can I become more consistent at Prometheus?

I've beaten him a few times but it's still a real gamble at best

[brave lynx]

https://youtu.be/vr3VfMbkqmo?si=LPbpztqw0GvjgFuO

this was from last patch but it should help you

[analog osprey]

question: does athena keepsake work in olympus region yet, or is it still bugged and i should use something else

[twilit tendon]

Used it yesterday and it worked (at least I met athena, haven't paid attention if the keepsake proced or if it was a random encounter)

[meager bramble]

That was thoroughly educational, thank you!

Now to see if I can actually tell the difference between the big and little moves 😄

[glossy rivet]

mel skull with ares attack is pretty good

[brave lynx]

Best of luck

[glossy rivet]

i think ares wound is best suited for big damage attacks? but then his blood drop boons are good for rapid attack weapons

[lusty heron]

I assume it buffs stuff with fix damage like zeus chain ligthing just things that dont affect the basepower

[surreal hazel]

I thinkso too

[glossy rivet]

ares wound good on coat attack and blood drop build good with special perhaps?

[surreal hazel]

but that means a lot of things, and it needs testing. Heph blasts? Scorch?

heph blasts in particular is relevant since heph is earth type as well

[glossy rivet]

ares special being a % on rockets though 😭
zeus buff and arc blast is bonkers though

[surreal hazel]

Vicious Flourish with Shimmering rockets is almost as busted as sworn flourish

[glossy rivet]

Are ares main boons best combod with skull attack or special now?

Big boosted aoe nuke

[surreal hazel]

AoE

[glossy rivet]

charon with ares special?

[surreal hazel]

tbh the base effects are fine for anything

[surreal hazel]

should work great, raw damage with more +%

[glossy rivet]

Wonder if the creeping explosions from the omega can reliably give me blood drops too

[surreal hazel]

not reliably, unless it's drops from kills

in which case go nuts, but they're also not spawning near you

[glossy rivet]

Move and attack speed sounds dope but the blood drop gathering seems kinda finicky unless i got the legendary

And some rapid hitter, like axe spin or torch but then i found out blasting zeus attacks with arc blast is better on torch

[surreal hazel]

the blitz improver?

I need to see if the omega that inflicts blitz just insta triggers that

Blitz is just Doom now, but better

dancing daggers here we come?

[meager bramble]

If Athena didn't appear in a region, is her keepsake one of the ones where, if I change off it, she could still appear in the next?

Or do I need to keep it on for her non-appearing self?

[clever gull]

is swift runner viable now?

[glossy rivet]

Has psychic whirlwind always allowed me to dash while the spin omega attack is active ?

Used to be that i can only dash while charging but dashing interrupts the spin attack
But now it didnt

I can dash and almost always reach every enemy in a single spin

[surreal hazel]

that's what it des

psychic whirlwind is just a projectile that's stuck to mel while she can do what she wants

you can regular attack and cast etc...

[glossy rivet]

It only said it lets me do normal attacks and specials while the spin is oj
Dope though knowing how it technically works

[surreal hazel]

what's currently buggy is Furious Whirlwind, where it seems you can use specials during it without interrupting it

[sly plaza]

OK so how about those Ares boons

[surreal hazel]

Only thing that is relevant is that casting a new one will delete the old

[sly plaza]

I’m still not sure if I love them or not. Mechanically at least, thematically they are super cool

[surreal hazel]

he wants you to get into the thick of it and be hitting everyone

definitely thematic

[glossy rivet]

Hmm going charon ares spc sounds cool but wasnt there like also some synergy with hera and apollos other boons, like lucid gain

Hera's hitch is also pretty cool but maybe wound will be more than a match

[surreal hazel]

Wound works better on single targets

hitch will still obliterate everyone

[bleak night]

Wound's not bad because Grievous Blow applies to everything once Wounds are up

[surreal hazel]

wound is great crowd control, hitch is just better though

because exponentials

[bleak night]

I think they're both equal

[surreal hazel]

depends how big the crowd is I guess

hitch will fare better on higher fear I suspect

[bleak night]

Wound is better in speedruns and Hitch is better at high fear, but Wound has a place up there as well. I got a 50F surface run down using Grievous Blow + Antler and it's a lil funny damage wise

I'll go back to doing 55f attempts and then just play for fun, idk what to build

[surreal hazel]

that good eh? interesting

[bleak night]

for 50? Yeah

For 55 it's too weak off of the % boost I feel, and I can't really guarantee Grievous with no rerolls

[surreal hazel]

interesting to know it's still up there

[stable lichen]

huh, mental block still has a cooldown despite it being removed from the description and UI

i was looking forward to spamming it after detonating with charon

whats everyones opinion on the new messenger arcana?

[barren lark]

Is || Cronos supposed to be super easy to kill the first time? Admittedly he got me in the red, but he felt very lack luster compared to fighting Hades in the last game ||

[past salmon]

Wound is good at high fear but it is significantly worse than at low fear purely because of wards lmao

Wound is goated at low fear because it's higher burst damage which is great (I'm speedrun brained)

[past salmon]

Grievous definitely carries wounds at high fear probs lmao
Crazy boon

[nimble hamlet]

idk I found Chronos harder than REDACTED tbh. Do keep in mind that you're better at the game than you were when you got to REDACTED in H1

[high lion]

need a good Black coat build for surface...including arcana cards

wanna beat Prometheus

[bleak night]

Poseidon-Zeus-Hephaestus core with Wave Strike, Heaven Flourish, Static Shock + Anvil Ring or Heph Gain so you can get the Zeus-Heph duo

[bleak night]

yeah it's pretty good, I should play a lil later

[robust prism]

it's been a while

are there any particular boons/combos I should really try now? haven't seen Ares yet

[past salmon]

Chuck ares in for arterial spray

[abstract drum]

wait, are you the real foolish?

[bleak night]

[abstract drum]

Also, have you guys used success rate + mutual destruction yet, because i had a run with it and it seemed VERY strong

[bleak night]

Success Rate + Grievous Blow is also pretty good, yeah

Managed to reach pretty far on a 55 using it

[lusty heron]

is that for base coat ?

[bleak night]

Works for Nyx as well

Selene prefers % damage over flat damage soup

[lusty heron]

btw do the nyx attack work on typhon ?
the shadow ones

[bleak night]

I've never taken Nyx up there, I just did Mel Coat for my testament

[lusty heron]

kk

[bleak night]

but yeah, realistically flat damage soup should be enough

[high lion]

Thanks any recommendations with Arcarna lineup

[bleak night]

You run Strength right ?

[high lion]

I have to double check my current lineup

[bleak night]

Are you playing on a specific fear level btw ?

[surreal hazel]

hrm, trying to think of who Success Rate really benefits apart from Ares

[bleak night]

Apollo

[surreal hazel]

You've got crits, spirit orbs, Sea Star (!!), Dazzling Display, Extra Dose...

[bleak night]

It's also pretty good for Divine Vengeance

[surreal hazel]

ah, yes,

[bleak night]

almost guarantees that your successive bolts hit max

[surreal hazel]

especially with the duo between ares and zeus

[bleak night]

I need to upload some high fear runs this patch as well

[surreal hazel]

Artemis has quite a few that you can file under crits, including her keepsake

[bleak night]

time for 18 50F surface runs

[lusty heron]

anyone got opinions on gale ?
it seems kinda nice ?
ofcourse not on omega builds cause hecuba is bis

[surreal hazel]

they'll likely patch the game in 2 weeks or so

[bleak night]

Gale is nice because I like running Antler

[surreal hazel]

Very good, honestly

[lusty heron]

oh right yeah with antler sounds really good

[surreal hazel]

innate dodge and move is kinda nice

[lusty heron]

man toula needs some love

[surreal hazel]

Three free hits is amazing when you also stack it with something like snow queen

since snow queen blocks first

[bleak night]

idk if it prios over Snow Queen

[surreal hazel]

it does, snow queen will drop before Gale with block

Which puts it waaaaaay above trusty shield, oddly

unless I missed something and Gale won't block if you're armoured, which is a goodbad thing

armour would be better to drop first if you're running trusty shield, but not as good if you're trying to keep your silken armour

[bleak night]

I should test it out sometime

[surreal hazel]

I've had all three before and I'm pretty sure it was snow queen > gale > armour

and I also had Perfect Image, which was basically always up

oh yeah, also I had the new Hermes legendary which is.... frankly disgusting?

[steel sequoia]

mortal gain is really that bad? i cant see im using it at all

[surreal hazel]

I don't hate it

Not sure how it interacts with white antler but probably badly

but honestly you're more likely to just die from regular damage than just primining yourself into death

priming max hp when you're already below max hp doesn't cost any real hp

[steel sequoia]

yeah but priming doesnt come back lol and 15 seems too much for each time

[tough pasture]

"WE ARE SO BACK!"
(We never left.)

[bleak night]

[tough pasture]

Sadly, I never completed higher than 44 fear (iirc?) on the last update because life got in the way, ya know? Perhaps I'll have more time for this one.

[bleak night]

50f surface run time (it's cancer)

[tough pasture]

Also, from watching your (iirc) and foolish's vids last weekend I realized I was not using medea correctly. I was over-reliant on the omega special instead of the normal special.

[surreal hazel]

doesn't come back?

[bleak night]

I don't think I have a Medea run uploaded

not really a weapon I play a lot

[surreal hazel]

primed health should be restored after the room

[tough pasture]

Then it might be Lee or boated. (Sorry, I some times get the YouTube names mixed up.)

[bleak night]

I mostly just play Axes

[glossy rivet]

yoo what i just noticed the omega cast arcana is gone?

[bleak night]

yep

[tough pasture]

yeah, torches and axes and staff. Everything else is...just blah so far. (I'm hoping the legendary editions will make the other weapons more appealing. I'm still kinda disappointed the coat doesn't mesh well with my mindset.)

[glossy rivet]

my charon nukes

[bleak night]

I enjoyed Coat more the moment I started spamming Wave Strike

[bleak night]

Charon scales better now with Demeter and Ares, at least

[glossy rivet]

is lucid gain still the goat charon magick gain

[bleak night]

weaker early game but actually good scaling for late in the run

[bleak night]

p much, yeah.

[glossy rivet]

kk, apollo n ares time

[tough pasture]

I have a tendency to over-rely on the dash attack because I just lose my mind sometimes. I can't quite explain it...I just can't get into the frame of mind to do the combos on the coat. It's kinda bizarre. (I suppose it's like a character's moveset in a Smash Bros game just being bland or kinda impenetrable to me.)

[bleak night]

try Ares Blood Drops + Demeter (Local Climate rush) for damage

[iron yarrow]

for basic atacks, what weapon its better for the Ares boon?

[bleak night]

Ares Blood Drops make your special animate faster, so it goes into Omega Special channeling way quicker

[glossy rivet]

can local climate (the duo) pop charon casts?

[bleak night]

Mel Axe dash spam is funny for you then, it's broken

[glossy rivet]

i still just mostly place casts then axe it right

[bleak night]

The duo? idk. The new Local Climate is just Omega Cast damage

[glossy rivet]

oh yeah

oh wait charoncast still benefits from omega cast dmg?

[proven citrus]

anything that modifies your omega cast damage will work just as well with charon as normally

[tough pasture]

yes, i'm a mel axe truther/stan.

[bleak night]

ye

[glossy rivet]

swanky

neeed to get ares/dem/apollo

[bleak night]

You can also run Ares Special with Grievous Blow so your Omega Cast and Omega Special has a chance to do 2x damage

[surreal hazel]

need to check if the tier 2 cast mods are mutually exclusive

[glossy rivet]

do i keepsake start with apollo for the gain still

[bleak night]

ye

[surreal hazel]

prominence flare, gyser, meat grinder, gale force

[bleak night]

Geyser probs works with others now, it's just Omega Cast flat damage bonus + knockback rather than any other additional effect

[surreal hazel]

used to be exclusive with prominence

[bleak night]

game needs more revenge boons

[surreal hazel]

but also stacking all four of those sounds very silly, and also just... damage ticks

[tough pasture]

I need to know...do we have "merciful end" in hades 2 and is it as broken as it was in hades 1?

[surreal hazel]

Winning Circle changes up a lot of things, but also implies a bit of an internal code re-write

[surreal hazel]

Yes, and no

[proven citrus]

we have romantic spark, which was just nerfed for being more broken than merciful end ever was

[bleak night]

Romantic Spark kinda, got nerfed this patch it looks like

[surreal hazel]

we have Coffin Nail, duo with Heph

[tough pasture]

😭

[surreal hazel]

just instatriggers falling swords for +40 bonus damage, literally merciful end

[tough pasture]

I was more of a thermal dynamics kinda guy anyway...

[surreal hazel]

but falling swords need omega attacks to create

so maybe it' amazing with torches? Not tried

[proven citrus]

falling swords have a lot of sources

the cast, the dash, that boon that modifies omegas

[surreal hazel]

are ares' dash swords just falling swords that don't stick to enemies?

[proven citrus]

i think?

they were doubled with the apollo duo when i used them

[surreal hazel]

🤔

then problably, Coffin nail would remove the delay and add damage, so I guess that's nice

apollo would make more of the swords overlap AoE, so that's probably really nice

[proven citrus]

the strongest dash-only build in the game right now would probably be ares with the apollo and heph duos combined

[tough pasture]

Correction: I meant hail storm but thermal dynamics is a banger too (though weaker).

[surreal hazel]

It seems they've also kept with the "mana using dash boons are dead now"

[proven citrus]

good riddance lol

[surreal hazel]

I guess they disliked the idea of it being optimal just to run around like an idiot instead of attacking

[tough pasture]

Good. That annoyed me a lot...

[proven citrus]

although breaker sprint was pretty fun, idk about the new version

[willow phoenix]

honestly if we're counting sprint it's probably firewalk, demeter sprint, and demeter apollo duo

firewalk damage is huge on its own

[proven citrus]

does firewalk even do anything

[willow phoenix]

the problem is that it needs you to run around enemies

[surreal hazel]

quite a bit of damage tbh, but it has a projectile limit

so you can run in a tiny circle and have quite the burn pile

[proven citrus]

i just had it and didn't really notice it but there was a lot going on lol

[willow phoenix]

if you're not actively just running around enemies you probably won't notice it lol

[surreal hazel]

basically it's best used as pre-damage when bosses are invulnerable or enemies are spawning, just run a ring around them

[willow phoenix]

it doesn't activate on dash

[proven citrus]

i do sprint, so i could see it popping up. it just didn't feel that relevant

i can see how it could be used more effectively

[willow phoenix]

the biggest problem is that it doesn't really synergize with normal gameplay or any hestia boons at all

[proven citrus]

yeahhhh

highly random legendary

speaking of hestia though, fourth degree from ares/hestia (glowing coal and controlled burn gain +250 base damage and inflict wounds) was surprisingly potent

[willow phoenix]

it's very good

[proven citrus]

normally i don't really like either of those boons

[willow phoenix]

I really like it, I dealt like 1k damage each fireball

for clearing rooms it's very good as the fireball aoe is huge

[proven citrus]

you basically have a better version of heph blasts with 0* cooldown

[willow phoenix]

It's just not really something you get though if you have ares as main boon

as the wound can't stack, so proccing wound with something else will block it

[proven citrus]

yeah

[willow phoenix]

If you have ares as gain/dash/cast it's great

[proven citrus]

it helps if you're bloodfarming with one of the other ares boons though

[surreal hazel]

I have no idea how to make a hestia legendary

[proven citrus]

everything is wounded, i had 50 blood stacks against typhon

[surreal hazel]

she's got a load of scorch support boons as it is, they had to take one away

[willow phoenix]

yea the starting scorch stack boon isn't really that attractive, pyro technique is way too necessary for any scorch build outside of freezer burn

then there's the new dodge scorch thing

[proven citrus]

with scorch you either have way too much or not enough and there's no in-between

[surreal hazel]

the new apollo duo with her is interesting but ehhh

[surreal hazel]

And we already have "use it up faster" "use it up instantly" "Apply more to begin with" boons

oh and "make it last forever"

[proven citrus]

also the new burnt offering is... okayish?

[plush vapor]

what should i change out for eternity https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1262030734558756986/1342130676132089856/image.png?ex=67b88418&is=67b73298&hm=35fff1ab43c2473d7d4587423139d2b04e1f9acf73437a4da6cdfe9ad0643994&

[proven citrus]

i would not typically take it but on its face it gives like 2 or 3 magick rewards

[willow phoenix]

I don't really like it, like hestia doesn't even use that much magick

[surreal hazel]

Cardio Gain, lel

[proven citrus]

why did they rename warmth gain lol

[willow phoenix]

huntress and swift runner probably. you can take out furies too depending on your build

[surreal hazel]

this is probably better and also a pun

[willow phoenix]

cardio gain is funny ngl

[proven citrus]

i also liked hearth gain as a name back when it was weird

[surreal hazel]

not as funny as Engagement Ring or Born Gain

[proven citrus]

cardio gain is pretty silly and doesn't have much to do with hestia

[surreal hazel]

Hestia can turn up the cost of your omega special, and Hera can turn up the cost of all omegas, which is cool for their Duo?

[plush vapor]

yeah i think ill do furies

[surreal hazel]

which is also interesting because their duo morphs based on your gain boon, in how you use it

[plush vapor]

surely huntress is always better than furies tho

[willow phoenix]

depends on how you play, some aspects don't use base attack/special that much

[proven citrus]

i like furies because i like omega-ing a lot

[willow phoenix]

like if you're doing a staff omega spam then you're not really gonna be doing normal attacks and specials

[proven citrus]

plus it affects stuff like curses and blasts and such

[surreal hazel]

Also we still have the heph, hestia, hera duo combo for explosive armour

HHH combo? Yeah, why not.

[willow phoenix]

I don't like a lot of heph duos tbh, so many focuses on blast lol

while blast a lot of time for me is an afterthought

[surreal hazel]

Brave face, incandescent armour, fixed gain

half damage if you have magicka, magicka for being hit, explode for gaining magicka

[willow phoenix]

brave face + fixed gain is great though, for funny tanky build

[proven citrus]

building a run entirely around heph can be challenging

his secondaries are god-tier though

[surreal hazel]

his blast boons that make him really good do lie in specific duos

chain reaction with grand caldera is funny

[proven citrus]

normally i stumble into heph duos without even trying, and just take what i'm given

[tough pasture]

@bleak night

I was talking about a run you did. But it was before the big update in October.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4U5U-nAq8E

[bleak night]

Oh, yeah that's old

[surreal hazel]

rude awakening works with chain reaction if you use Solar Ring

since they just gain daze right back after losing it

[proven citrus]

heph's legendary i actively fish for because it's so cool and the prereqs don't feel that demanding individually

[surreal hazel]

It's very cool and I love it, but often not that great

[willow phoenix]

Sad that how good heph's legendary is varies wildly between aspects

[surreal hazel]

on thanatos is just..... 👌

-45% delay on attacks, oh yes

[proven citrus]

on artemis isn't it just like. going from 60% omega speed to something that's also stupidly high

[surreal hazel]

-90%, yes

[proven citrus]

so pointless lol

[surreal hazel]

basically instant block

[tough pasture]

Btw, am I crazy or is ultra high fear relatively much easier than ultra high heat from hades 1?

[surreal hazel]

n mel coat, pre patch, it wasn't that great, only like, level 6 instead of level 8 in terms of scaling

[bleak night]

no EM yet

[surreal hazel]

dunno if it's changed

[tough pasture]

Yeah, I was thinking about that...

[bleak night]

also it might be a fair bit harder now because Mental Block got gutted, and most people used it

[proven citrus]

momus fine tuning is still cuckoo banans though in a good way

[bleak night]

I personally don't mind it being gutted

[surreal hazel]

0.5 second delay between pulses

[bleak night]

but imo in terms of difficulty it's H2 Surface > H1 > H2 Underworld

[surreal hazel]

mirrored thrasher to make it 0.25 seconds