h2-builds-and-combat

[twilit timber]

Ohh then you have to make a few runs until you run into her in olympus

That is the only biome she will appear in first time

And iirc you have to run into her twice to gift her

[junior trail]

do night bloom's devotion/rigor stack with vow of pain/frenzy?

[gritty schooner]

god bless me this is gonna take a while then. Couldnt even consistently kill scylla now

everything so packed i dont even see their skills and boom 16hp gone

[uneven palm]

It’s supposed to take a while. You’re not meant to be immediately slaying all the guardians. Just keep playing, gather resources and power stuff up, try things out, and try to learn something each run

[leaden owl]

Athena helps make it managable, otherwise most enemies have predictable behavior so after some practice you can manage to get through the game safely without healing.

[uneven yacht]

what arcanas are must-have in every build, besides strength and titan? I don't know what to upgrade first

[covert abyss]

thats true, i struggle most with keeping distance with pan since i get hit when trying to land my cast

[bleak night]

Bottom left corner, all 4 of them

The Boatman one is sometimes interchangeable with Origination since they both cost 5, but you can remove defensive Arcana to make space for both

[uneven yacht]

rerolls and rarity upgrades it is

[bleak night]

You can skip Excellence (blue rank rarity, 5 cost), it sucks

[stoic kettle]

Do we know if there's any difference in choosing the down door vs the same-level door in olympus? Is one route faster than the other? I thought that since we are going up, I wouldn't want to take the door that goes down (or appears to at least) but now im not sure if it matters

[bleak night]

Doesn't matter. Flying door just lets you do a heroic entrance for damage

[stoic kettle]

Such a satisfying way to enter a room haha

thank you

[bleak night]

Whacha tryna do ?

[stoic kettle]

Speedrun for the 32 fear category

Sometimes it seems like there are so many encounters in olympus. And now that I think about it I should really know how many there are exactly ahah

[bleak night]

Aetos can come in and extend the room so idk how it works

[stoic kettle]

oh yeah, that darn bird

[gritty schooner]

how tf yall beat cerberus bruh shockwaves left right center

[willow phoenix]

Time your dash, don't get too greedy. Cerb has a lot of downtime

[stoic kettle]

try to always be behind him (them?)

[uneven yacht]

what do you guys think its better for 32 fear, limiting arcana or onion? I'm trying both and i cant decide

probably depends on the weapon

[magic moss]

neither

but if you want to run 1 then onion

[uneven yacht]

idk if i dont run either I dont know what else to pick. can't play with the lowest timer im slow

[gaunt coyote]

How fast are you clearing runs on your winscreen? Timer level 2 is still 28 minutes in the underworld, 21 on the surface iirc. If you’re regularly clearing below that mark you should try it out, some level of timer is practically mandatory for 32

[uneven yacht]

i play with timer 2. timer 3 is just too fast for me atm

[gaunt coyote]

That’s reasonable. Timer 3 can be imposing and isn’t for every setup

[sage flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854479132376694797/1320835008461672579/image.png?ex=676b0af5&is=6769b975&hm=0d5d2b63847a8e1dc59bfa85184e521665689d6f09975187e9a4d29d51b27a72&

you can play around with pain/hordes/grit/wards to fit what you stuggle with most

or also going max scars is fine too

[cursive oyster]

i’d drop wards and hordes for pain 2

[sage flame]

yeah i was just spam clicking to fill up to 32

[magic moss]

id rather do fangs2 than grit3 as well

[sage flame]

point is, 32 without timer 3, void, and onion is fairly easy to make

[cursive oyster]

grit 3 feels borderline free to me

[uneven yacht]

really? i always felt grit is one of the worst ones to get

[past salmon]

Oh I disagree with this
Just get a better build 4head

[covert abyss]

whats a good 40 heat setup for pan? cleared with 37 heat underworld with 0 hordes, wards, forfeit, void. 1 scars and 2 pain.

thinking of getting 3 pain and 1 wards for 40 heat

[uneven palm]

I’d take Scars 2 before Wards but that’d be fine

[barren marsh]

Is Hephaestus literally ever good on attack or special

Any time I use it in a run it always feels SUPER underwhelming

[silent crow]

put him on the one you dont use rhat often

like axe/blades/staff special

[sage flame]

it's only good for primary damage source if you get heroic/enough poms

grand caldera is fun

[glossy forge]

Considering the fact that you need a heroic attack + 4 poms to achieve the same dps as a standard % modifier on most weapons, I'm going to say no. Of course, you can get it to feel good with Grand Caldera, the Hestia duo, the Apollo duo, etc, but anything will feel good with that many duos and poms.

[sage flame]

big aoe is fun

[gaunt coyote]

Maxing out black coat aspects, done with mel. Selene or Nyx next?

[bleak night]

Selene because it plays very differently

[warped stirrup]

whats the best way to beat 2nd sruface boss

[sage flame]

utilize the cover if you arent confident in dodging shots, id recommend stick close and behind, also soot sprint destroys a lot of her projectiles

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1321010101167067177/image.png?ex=676bae07&is=676a5c87&hm=abac026bb3e2c77f719dd71a96ba4fdbe00570b3d3c51cc21443ba2aa9687d6c& Hey yall, remember how every old player hypes up Patch 1 Momus as being the most broken aspect ever created? Well I've added a small page to my 50 Fear clear sheet showing just how broken Patch 1 Momus was even at 50 Fear back when it was much much harder.

[covert abyss]

thank you!

[nimble lichen]

chat does athenas keepsake work on olympus?

[covert abyss]

is it necessary to take a hex? had a run that went quite well without any hexes and i feel they dont do that much unless u visit selene 3 times

[uneven palm]

It’s not necessary. But if you’re using a bunch of magick and don’t need tons of boons there are some pretty good hexes and upgrades available

[covert abyss]

i see thanks

[nimble lichen]

idk, but +15 hp seems pretty good to me

[covert abyss]

r u referring to moon water

[uneven palm]

Like Wolf Howl you’re invincible during it and it hits decently hard, Total Eclipse has some bonkers upgrades like 4 seconds of invulnerability, Twilight Curse is nice for the final regions

[nimble lichen]

moon water, +15 hp for x magik 3 times before having to refill if using a fountain

[covert abyss]

yeah but u cant rly guarantee ull get the good ones, and u still have to get the selene keepsake to get the good upgrades

[nimble lichen]

isnt Twilight Curse useless against bosses?

[covert abyss]

felt like i didnt have enough resources when going for hexes, but it might also be because i take athenas dd lol

[nimble lichen]

not really, on the surface the hermes shops sell hex upgrades pretty often

[uneven palm]

Yeah but at higher fear a lot of times rooms are scarier than bosses. Turning a room of machine gun robots into sheep rules

[covert abyss]

oh i havent done many surface runs yet, might consider it then lol

[nimble lichen]

aspect of pan:

[willow phoenix]

if you have a build that uses magick a lot, taking a hex then taking selene keepsake can work very well. A lot of hexes are very strong with upgrades

I like to take selene keepsake anytime I take a hex to just make it super strong if I don't need any other keepsake

For example, with moonwater you can get something like 15+ charges on it, with each healing tons of health and restoring any damage taken. There's even an upgrade that causes it to do an omega cast burst every time you use it, so it even becomes and offensive option. I tried completely tanking Prometheus with it and ended the fight with still like 8 charges

Conservation upgrade is affected by abundance upgrade, theoretically if you get a fountain room, you can get like 10+ charges every biome

[covert abyss]

yeah i think the total eclipse and moon water hexes are the best, but the others feel kinda lackluster for boss fights. does game time pass when wolf howl is channeling? if so it kinda sucks for dmg

rn im taking athena and chaos so i dont hv space for selene, but id take selene if my build is strong enough to not need chaos

[cursive oyster]

wolf howl doesn’t have a wind up but yeah it isn’t great for damage

what it is though is a get out of jail free card if you’re in a bad situation during a boss fight

[covert abyss]

yeah

[cursive oyster]

and it can also do decent damage if you invest in duality + a few damage up paths

phase shift is also crazy good

[covert abyss]

i see, if offered a good hex with less moon glow, shld i still take it compared to a worse hex?

[cursive oyster]

yes imo

if you get a good hex take the moon beam into fields

[willow phoenix]

lunar ray is the best for boss fights

lunar ray deletes any boss with enough upgrades

[covert abyss]

oh i thought lunar rays dmg was similar to pan

[willow phoenix]

dark side can also be fun, the special deals a lot of damage with both the crit upgrade and special boon upgrade

[cursive oyster]

i think i undervalue lunar ray

dark side is a meme

(at high fear)

[covert abyss]

i barely do any dmg with dark side, maybe cos i dont have an attack boon

[willow phoenix]

dark side special is kinda unclear in how it works. What you want to do is keep the enemy on the edge of the circle to continously deal damage

With both crit and boon upgrade for it, it deals a lot of damage

[covert abyss]

oh interesting

[cursive oyster]

dark side i think i would take if i was getting most of my damage from storm ring

[junior trail]

does rude awakening damage stack with back burner?

[cursive oyster]

sure does

this reminds me i need to do a clang build

[uneven yacht]

what aspect of charon wants besides apollo? nothing? lol

[bleak night]

Dem on Cast usually

[junior trail]

does damage increase effect on local climate work with charon?

[uneven palm]

Yes

[limpid cliff]

I had a fully upgraded lunar ray one run and it just chews health bars.

[stoic kettle]

Today I learned that Heracles' swings can trigger riposte on artemis blades

[crystal ore]

whats a good god combo with aspect of pan on knives now?

[silent crow]

get poseidon special

[urban kernel]

hey, does anyone know any fun cast builds? I had some fun with the infusion boon between aphrodite and hestia using hestia's cast, but I'm looking for other cast builds as well.

[crystal ore]

whats the best cast for Aspect of Charon now?

[uneven palm]

Honestly anything that gets you part of Origination. So Dem/Aphro/Hera/Hestia/Apollo all good.

[warped stirrup]

is this rocket thorwing weapo any good, i just unlocked it

[uneven palm]

Try it out. It has interesting aspects when you unlock those

[willow phoenix]

Mel staff, sorceress, geyser spout

[willow phoenix]

Demeter cast. Tbf demeter cast is like the best cast out there for utility, freeze is very good

[warped stirrup]

are there any aspects that help its special

also whats the best build for it

[bleak night]

Whacha talkin about ?

[warped stirrup]

yoooo my favouriete sgg person

today i js unlocked the 6th weapon, whats the best build for it

[bleak night]

Ah you got to Olympus already then? Nice. You have the aspects ?

[warped stirrup]

not any yet but i like the special move on the weapon i almost bet chronos and prometheus

[sage flame]

technically aspect of nyx affects the special

but its like okay, and does the same effect on the attack

[warped stirrup]

i dont rlly like the atk
i barely use it

[bleak night]

Use the dash attack

[warped stirrup]

is it that good
whats the best build for the weapon thjo

[bleak night]

Waves or Scorch on Attack with Static Shock from Zeus

Dash Attack is 3x hits of 15 damage

[warped stirrup]

whattttt

[bleak night]

Yep

[warped stirrup]

wait i have the splash thing from pois on atk is that good

[bleak night]

Try Dash Attack spamming

You'll see that Poseidon works really well on it

[warped stirrup]

ok

wait wtf thats kindma broken

why does it do low dmg tho

[bleak night]

What does?

Oh is your Poseidon Attack just common ratity ?

It's +10 flat damage per rarity, so it goes up to +50 at Heroic

[warped stirrup]

oh that makes sense

whats the best boon for the specials ? hestia?

[bleak night]

Zeus honestly

You can attack and shoot missiles at the same time

So shoot missikes to replenish Blitz and use the attack to pop it

[warped stirrup]

okkkk

I just maxed out the strength arcana card, which one do I max out next

Hi pond thanks for replying

[junior trail]

Anything essential for combat: the sorcerers, night, the huntress, the furies

divinity is also a good option

and origination ofc

[bleak night]

Bottom left quadrant, all four of them

Prio the three around the corner before the actual corner

They're rerolls and starting gold

[warped stirrup]

Really?

Okay

Can I upgrade titan one where it gives me hp and mana

[bleak night]

Yep, no joke. It helps you get your core build quicker

Yeah, Titan is also important for sure.

[warped stirrup]

Okay

Icl I don’t even know a core build 😭

But I like zeus and umbral flames combo

Umbral flames so broken icl

[bleak night]

All weapons have the capacity to be broken, which is nice

[warped stirrup]

my least used weapon is still axe i only have like 3 games on it

[warped stirrup]

is there a site that shows like best builds etc

[bleak night]

Unlock Axe Aspect of Charon or Thanatos, the playstyle completely changes

[warped stirrup]

is that the cast one

[bleak night]

Nope. Early Access game. Stuff changes so nobody is making one

[bleak night]

Charon is the Cast one that plays like artillery, Thanatos is the fast attack speed one

[warped stirrup]

artillery? with special and atk

[magic moss]

the best thing currently available is the misc stats section of the sheet for core boons

[bleak night]

Special and Cast. I can grab an example vid hold on

[junior trail]

which gods would pair best with sky fall's ferocity? perhaps zeus, heph, and hera?

[magic moss]

"best" build is also really not a thing when it comes to this game because in high fear you dont really get a "build" going, rather just what you need to clear

[warped stirrup]

TRIPLE COMET IS SO OOO BROKEN

[bleak night]

https://imgur.com/WZUtt7k

[magic moss]

and almost always the answer to "best build" is Hera atk/special + Dem Cast + Heph Trusty Shield + Athena whatever

[bleak night]

This is Axe Aspect of Charon's gameplay

Low hit count, extremely high base damage

[warped stirrup]

ait thats kinda broken no?

[bleak night]

I'd say Blitz does best with Ferocity because for some reason, the Close-Up damage doesn't work?

[magic moss]

as sad as it is, this is the best combo for essentially every aspect, bar a few exceptions like Persephone favoring Storm Ring and Pan wanting Poseidon Special. This combo however can still very easily clear with those aspects as well

[warped stirrup]

what does hera hitch thing even do

[bleak night]

Like, my Aphro Attack was maybe +120% and Sky Fall was still doing the same damage with the upgrade

[warped stirrup]

what aspect do i upgrade for this?

[bleak night]

Aspect of Charon (Axe)

It's very different from other Axes so some people love it, some people don't

Thanatos is a speedy version of the base heavy Axe with less damage

[junior trail]

yeah in the wiki said apol and aphro dont work with ferocity for some reason

[bleak night]

F10 it imo so they know it's an issue

[magic moss]

damage share, its essentially aspect of rama but on a boon

[bleak night]

I think it's because only secondary effects work on Ferocity

And Aphro's secondary effect is basically a prerequisite for the damage boost to activate

So the punch % boost itself doesn't apply, just the curse

[warped stirrup]

i know nothing abt this game wow

[bleak night]

Yeah you just unlocked 18 different aspects instead of 6 weapons, most of them play very differently

The three staffs kinda play samey to a degree, but Momus is the strongest one without a doubt

[warped stirrup]

ok i just lost im updraing aspect of cahron

[bleak night]

Want me to help you with the run? I can VC in a bit

[warped stirrup]

sure

there no vc in this server

[bleak night]

Speedrunning server does, or I can just VC in dm

[warped stirrup]

js dm call then

[patent light]

the battleaxe suck in boss fight sia

anyone good with using battleaxe?

even 30% attack speed buff and the buff attack range (from apollo) still feel slow

[bleak night]

I have a guide on the Axe if you want the link

[patent light]

yea I would likke that

[patent light]

gimme

[bleak night]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1gmp85h/hades_ii_nocturnal_arms_guide_zorephet_the/

[bleak sleet]

sorry lmao did you find out how to do it? i have no idea how and i literally cannot play with attack at cursor

[bleak night]

I don't think you can remove attack at cursor unless you're on controller

[bleak sleet]

damn that sucks

thanks though

[mighty coral]

Hellooo! Does anyone know any good builds against Eris? I've beaten her twice but haven't gotten her pattern down despite

[cursive oyster]

the best thing you can do against eris is stay behind her at all times, only dashing away when she fires her rockets

[willow phoenix]

I mean, getting a good build won't help you get her pattern down, if anything if you destroy her she won't get to do anything so you won't learn anything .I suggest try taking it slow against her to see what she's doing. Try sprinting around for a couple seconds and see what Eris does. She only has like 5 attacks after all.

She has 2 different firing attack, shotgun and rapid, both have a tell in that there's a pink line showing in front of eris showing that she's about to shoot. There's a sniper attack but that's super obvious and can be dodged with dash. The launching bombs is easy enough to dodge. And lastly the dash while firing thing she does can also just be dodged. All of her firing attack are shot in front of her, so her back is always safe no matter what even if you can't see what she's doing.

She can also summon mobs and aerial bombing but sometimes I get runs where she doesn't do it at all, maybe she only does it if the fight goes on for long enough.

[mighty coral]

Yesss I've noticed that I barely get mobs, it's her damn rapid that always gets me

[willow phoenix]

It can get hard to notice she's about to shoot in the midst of all the visual noises. So unless you're paying attention to that firing line thing, just stay behind her. Once you get her rhythm down, you can kinda guess when she's about to attack

[solemn loom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272385014150991875/1321525346096381972/Screenshot_2024-12-25_at_12.09.37_PM.png?ex=676d8de3&is=676c3c63&hm=7627bdf182ead799ced3b8f3ee26a653bc78aafff4e968457bda8a038a8975ba&

-Descriptions added to all cards and vows, credits to JB for compiling.

[proven edge]

I havent played this game in a while whats the meta now

[cursive oyster]

strongest build overall is likely wave flourish pan knives but every weapon has viable builds

any weapon in particular?

[proven edge]

well that hasnt changed ig lolol

[proven edge]

the new jetpack thing whats a nice build I can go for?

[proven edge]

just finished a level 16 wave flourish run thanks to Echo 😭

[cursive oyster]

building blitz attack into romantic spark with toasting fork/shameless attitude/king’s ransom or all of the above on mel coat is fun

[proven edge]

what about the hammers

[cursive oyster]

selene can get a really strong sky fall going if you start moon beam, and i am partial to shimmering rockets hera special spam

[bleak night]

WATCH OUT FOR MY MISSILE BARRAGE

[cursive oyster]

rs does not care about hammers at all but shimmering rockets is really really strong and on selene world collider can be good

[bleak night]

Most fun one to try out is Exhaust Riser with Static Shock and Poseidon Attack,

6x hit of 15 damage on dash attack is funny with those two

[cursive oyster]

ah true

sadly static shock caps you at 5 lightning bolts per 0.75 seconds

[bleak night]

Ah rip, still, 5x shock procs isn't bad

[cursive oyster]

still like tied for second best boon in the entire game imo imo

[proven edge]

what about higher fear runs

up to whatever the weapon caps at for the nightmare

[cursive oyster]

same builds are pretty good but i’ve mostly done high fear with shimmering hitch rockets

[magic moss]

if you want to be cool and slick and whatnot keep playing the same build, if you dont care hera

the answer is almost always hera

[proven edge]

I dont care abt cool and slick I want to have the easiest time clearing it

[bleak night]

Run Hera and call it a day

[proven edge]

also would love to see the fear setup ppl use now

[cursive oyster]

is there any aspect where hera is not BIS for at least one important core?

[bleak night]

Charon

[cursive oyster]

what fear are you going for?

[magic moss]

you can argue Sworn > Nova tbh

especially if you dont have a dps/curse cast

[bleak night]

I think Blitz is better on special than Hitch now honestly

[cursive oyster]

this reminds me i still have to play 50f charon

[proven edge]

I already did 32 fear so nevr going back

[cursive oyster]

ah gotcha

[magic moss]

arguable tho

[proven edge]

24 fear ig for the cap

[bleak night]

So like for sure Cast and Gain on Charon are not Hera, but ye ig the Special is arguable but like, there are 4 equally good choices is all

[magic moss]

ig you could also argue to some extent Pan since fluid gain is arguably the best gain option

since born gain can prime you out without mana investment

[proven edge]

just realized idek how to play the coat

[cursive oyster]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1159823243218272309/1321589357433585724/image0.jpg?ex=676dc980&is=676c7800&hm=bccd4301f4d0c619dbb5b450e38985120c2f5f6fb2b183a0ba091a77ce84887d&

this should be 24, drop whatever for time 3 if you are comfortable with a 20 minute time limit

[proven edge]

idk why but the surface is so hard for me to get good time in

[cursive oyster]

i think i really like engagement ring on pan but not sure if its optimal

[magic moss]

BIS for every aspect for the cast is Dem

theres no contest to it

[cursive oyster]

i disagree

[bleak night]

Def not on Pers

[magic moss]

actually yeah prob Pers is the only exception

[bleak night]

But on everything else, yeah for sure ig

[cursive oyster]

i prefer storm ring on all 3 staffs as well

[bleak night]

I like Anvil on some aspects as well lol

[cursive oyster]

also not for high fear but i have been massively underestimating back burner

i recently learned heph blasts can backstab

[bleak night]

Wtf

[cursive oyster]

furthermore they almost always do if you directly hit the enemy you wanna backstab

iirc they can even backstab scylla

not to mention rude awakening exists and if you have that setup you have the prereqs

[bleak night]

I'm at a point where I get Blast as an afterthought so I never really tried

[cursive oyster]

yeah i only take heph blasts for meme runs i just think it’s really funny

[bleak night]

If I need to take a Heph core it's almost always Anvil Ring

Kinda grown on me

[cursive oyster]

i think his dash is okay

like i guess it does something

[bleak night]

I do miss the old one before it became aspect-specific

[cursive oyster]

yeag

[twilit timber]

@bleak night I have been converted to the Church of the Axe 📿, mostly thanks to the guide

Already had a couple of fun runs with thanatos, and now finally charon clicked

Absolutely wiped my last run

[bleak night]

[twilit timber]

The trick I realised was to give up on the ideal scenario of lucid gain

And just take born gain and remote detonate to the casts from safety

Unlocking hecuba also helped

[bleak night]

Oh, I just never take anything that isn't Lucid Gain lol

[twilit timber]

I was eating too many hits trying to stay within cast for lucid gain

Would always end up dying in tartarus rooms because of the cramp and insane enemy damages

Born gain went without a hitch

I was doing like 600 o-spec + 1k cast proc damage by the time I hit tartarus

[bleak night]

Born Gain is usually terrible with Hordes and Wards because you prime out in Fields rooms super easily

Also in Thessaly

[twilit timber]

Ahh right I don't play wards so it was fine for me

[bleak night]

Ah, fair ig

[twilit timber]

Yeah might run into trouble in thessaly

Idk will try more charon runs on the weekend

I think finally getting used to strength also helped, insane damage output and I basically don't really have to worry about my health until tartarus

[bleak night]

I just avoid it and stick to Lucid. If I have less than 60 mana I stay in the Cast. If I have over, I don't mind setting it down and then channeling from outside of it for better positioning. It's mostly just resource management

I tend to hate Lightning Lance and Glowing Coal on it since it interrupts channeling

[twilit timber]

Now I need a charon run with mental block, I could see myself taking lucid gain with mental block

[twilit timber]

I simply don't like ranged casts in this game

[bleak night]

Silver Wheel isn't bad for fear runs as well if the timer isn't too hurting

[bleak night]

Ranged casts are good, I just don't like them on Charon

[twilit timber]

Aiming is really awkward in controllers tho

[cursive oyster]

lightning lance is okay at best

[magic moss]

sigh

[cursive oyster]

they just all screw with mental block

[bleak night]

Take off autoaim for controllers so it doesn't autocenter to the target you're aiming at

[bleak night]

[twilit timber]

Plus I am way too used mashing cast + dash to panic run from enemies😂

[cursive oyster]

i think skull attack should have slight homing

[twilit timber]

I couldnt take Athena because I needed dem keepsake for Oceanus to get the cast and then phial to get my special rarity up

[cursive oyster]

i keep overshooting with mel skulls and my shells go everywhere the hitbox on the attack is so tiny

[magic moss]

axe users are so privileged

carried frfr

[bleak night]

Ngl you don't really need rarity for Charon aside from like Lucid Gain, which you only really need for a 75

Best just run whatever gives you better combat ability

[twilit timber]

I gotta admit lmao charon felt really stupid broken over j got used to it

[cursive oyster]

“oh no we lost our frame 1 block this weapon is unusable”
staff players in the corner:
“please just give our weapon aspects”

[bleak night]

I haven't touched Charon since I did 55, it was so trash without Night and Furies

[twilit timber]

432 damage from cast proc in chamber one was nuts lol

[bleak night]

I was doing no damage holy fk

Charon with no Arcana feels so pathetic it's insane

[twilit timber]

I can see that lol

That +100 power is insane

[bleak night]

But ye, with Charon you can kinda just leave everything common and level 1 honestly

[magic moss]

[wintry idol]

Ayo, I'm finally going meta
hows nyx aspect?

[bleak night]

The base damage and stuff is enough to clear the run, so just stack utility and defensive

[cursive oyster]

mediocre

[twilit timber]

Yeah I thought of that but but muh shiny red boon kewl or something

[bleak night]

Just run Mel Coat and call it a day, it runs 20% faster at least

[magic moss]

axe players be like yo we lost my frame 1 iframe charon is so difficult now how will i ever clear dealing 1k per half second meanwhile im sitting here like yo guys i found a new staff gameplay loop that deals 20 more damage than normal

[wintry idol]

Back in the day that was enough to do 32h

what are the boons/keepsakes used on cloak?

[bleak night]

Barely does more damage ngl, Cast is kinda where most of the damage comes from unless you get Giga Cleaver super early

And Cast only really does more damage with Solar Ring because it does damage on cast end

[twilit timber]

I checked my stats at the end, it was like 75:25 split cast to special

That was with like lvl 14 special tho lol

[wintry idol]

even schelemius dont want me to play cloak
he didnt spawn until I change weapon 😔

[twilit timber]

(got like 9 poms in tart lol)

[bleak night]

I just barely level my Special if there are other options unless it's Blitz

[magic moss]

its mediocre in the sense that there are just stronger aspects, Nyx being on the coat means its still one of the stronger aspects regardless

[bleak night]

Oh, that's just a normal bug is all

[twilit timber]

Believe me I would much rather have levelled trusty shield too lmao

[bleak night]

I just run Aphro Special on Charon nowadays lol

[magic moss]

hestia special is the play frfr

[bleak night]

I still think Heartbreakers are a good way to go about it

[bleak night]

Anything works as longs as it's Orig, honestly

Like, the most damaging Charon build is probs Blitz Special with Solar Ring and Geyser

Mix and match that thing

[magic moss]

didnt geyser knock enemies out of the cast explosion or was that a mandela effect

i feel like we’ve have this convo with geyser before

[bleak night]

It's an added effect to the Omega Cast now

[magic moss]

ah ok so it used to be bad but now its just bonus dmg

[bleak night]

If you check the tooltip the damage looks gutted, but it adds onto the Omega Cast damage rather than fully replacing it now

I feel like you'd know since you tried Lucid Gain Geyser Mel Staff for the fast Omega Cast pops

[magic moss]

it was still knocking enemies back so didnt know if they changed it for the knockback to proc before or after the ocast dmg

[bleak night]

I'll try when I boot the game again at some point lol

[cursive oyster]

i think furies does not work with geyser spout still

[bleak night]

It's because it happens after the cast is gone I think

[knotty pollen]

I've got heroic Aphrodite attack on my Xinth. Is there a metric for whether Reaper Frame or Rapid Frame is better here?

[bleak night]

Reaper is preferable for Dash Attack spam

Since they're 3 hits, so it adds 30 power to the dash attack alone

[uneven yacht]

why is the golden tooth keepsake not used at all? does it not work with strength even though is not properly death defiance?

is basically +100 hp

[bleak night]

It counts as a Death Defiance, yeah

[carmine lagoon]

and there are just other better keepsakes (pin)

[bleak night]

Run Antler for the memes

[carmine lagoon]

H2’s keepsakes are overall stronger than H1’s so the meh ones carried over from H1 (tooth, purse) are kinda ass now

[sturdy turret]

i think tooth could be useful in early game when you dont get to have a lot of keepsakes for boons

[bleak night]

Tooth is definitely top tier early on, yeah. Maxing Strength is a lil later down the line, so it's super useful

[sturdy turret]

I like taking the Transcendent Embryo in late game I think that it is soooo useful

[carmine lagoon]

discovery 😔

[sturdy turret]

really ?

[carmine lagoon]

discovery is the chaos boon that gives more chance to dig stuff, which just does nothing when i get it for embryo ;-;

[sturdy turret]

OH yea

[bleak night]

I think Exp hammer is more useful than Chaos, even if there's a chance the upgrade is useless

[sturdy turret]

• 40% 💀

[bleak night]

if you put it on after Hecate, it lasts until Chronos if you don't take extra rooms

[sturdy turret]

if you play the axe

cause you have to upgrade it so it can be sooo good

[bleak night]

I know a few things about the Axe

[sturdy turret]

XD

nice

[bleak night]

But, yeah. Axe upgrades can be kinda detrimental is the issue, Hell Splitter can be bad sometimes

if you're playing Charon, 8 out of 12 of the hammer upgrades don't really help you, so that's a worse gamble

[sturdy turret]

I dont play axe a lo anyways but for Thanatos is it also good to rush the upgrades ?

[bleak night]

if it's Seething Marauder or Rapid Slash, then your run is kinda way easier

[stable lichen]

i was playing axe and they gave me hell splitter which just ruined the run

hooray

icarus i love you but still

[bleak night]

If it's Than pr Charon then it's not bad

On Than it's not slow, on Charon you can just ignore the Attack button

[stable lichen]

i was playing than but still i just absolutely hate hell splitter

[bleak night]

It's not bad, but yeah the feel can be off

[stable lichen]

it’s a personal hatred i’m sorry hell splitter

i just get H1 world splitter flashbacks

[bleak night]

Don't like it either, so I get you

[uneven palm]

Big fan of Hell Splitter on Than personally. Hell Splitter + Hera on the Sirens is one of the game’s greatest pleasures

[brave lynx]

Hera on the sirens in general is pretty satisfying

[carmine lagoon]

Hell Splitter + Executioner’s Chop + Rapid Slash 🤤

[cursive oyster]

b o n k

[tardy knot]

small question how do you guys use your cast? I keep struggling to find good times to use it in game and often just get hit when I try and be creative with it.

[cursive oyster]

always always keep it in play, you can place it when you are being rushed down to slow or stop everything nearby, if you have arcitc ring or mental block you can use it to rush in to combat and be safe, and if you have storm ring you can place it to do a lot of damage without much investment

you can use the omega cast when waves are spawning to get good damage in

[sage flame]

ABC, always be casting

[uneven yacht]

is any of the skulls aspects any good?

[gaunt coyote]

Madea is crazy fun+good and plays nothing like the others

[uneven yacht]

is it the kamikaze one? for sure is the most fun

[gaunt coyote]

Yes, and it can achieve crazy burst damage with things like zeus on special and aphro or a % boon on attack

[tardy knot]

thx, still used to Hades 1 cast so I'm consistently tripped out when I think I have nice poke opportunity for a cast and it does something completely different.

My favorite cast boon so far has been Poseidon because it's instant meaning I can use it when things are getting too heated but I was really underusing it due to my mana already being a limited resource as well, mostly cause I really like to use the umbral flames which is always a mana hog

[bold jay]

just keep in mind that cast is free (what you wrote made it seem like it wasn't).

Omega Cast costs mana, regular cast doesn't. There's plenty of builds where you won't really be using Omega Cast (it's a bit slow, costs mana), but regular Cast is instant, free, and does pretty amazing CC, and also typically will be applying some of useful curse at the very least (and maybe some damage). So Cast is something you should mostly always be using.

[uneven palm]

Basically always be casting. It keeps things off you, slows things down, gives you a damage boost with Furies

If you’re finding things hard to handle in combat you’re probably not casting enough

[bold jay]

some of the earlier enemies are basically designed to force you to cast. i.e. they're annoying without cast but trivial with it.
Like the shriekers in the first underground zone, or the little fish in the second underground zone.

[uneven palm]

@polar chasm #h2-feedback message think of the arena as numbered regions. 1 is top/left, 2 is middle, 3 is bottom/right. say a safe region as they flash. Like “2, then 3, then 1”. Then go to those regions in order. You can remember three or five numbers.

[tardy knot]

yeah I did write it like that, I tend to forget it's free cause I like keeping damage up and am still getting used to the game, thx for all the info

[bold jay]

honestly even if you ignore omega cast, and simply don't think about cast too much but just drop a new one every time the last one ends, you'll still get lots of value

[tardy knot]

I am definitely not using it enough

[tardy knot]

ight thx

[tardy knot]

I've mostly just gotten used to making builds where they typically just die before they even have a chance to attack, def an issue of mine not just in hades 2. If the shriekers are armored I either screw it up and take damage or just have good enough movement to avoid them and take pot shots with the flames since movement is typically something I'm good at

[sage flame]

with how fast shriekers turn it's hard to outmaneuver them without cast

[gaunt coyote]

How do we feel about phial strats for boosting your star core boon? Is it considered worth it to take a common attack boon chamber 1 and avoid all other commons until the first fountain to guarantee a heroic and be on your way into biome 2?

My general flowchart goes like:

Attack boon Epic, rarify and choose 2nd god keepsake at the first fountain.

Attack boon non-epic, reroll for common and use the rarify elsewhere to avoid other commons. Choose phial at first fountain and reassess after the end of biome 2

Is that being greedy? The phial seems so strong, but i don't want to put myself in a bind over-relying on it

[silent crow]

its greedy yes but depending on the god ur taking the core boon from it can make a difference

for example apollo common & heroic atk is 40% and 100% respectively so its worth there

[tall notch]

You can drop a cast during most animatuons, bind it in a way that doesn't put attack and cast on the same fingerand you're able to cast on cooldown without downside

[tardy knot]

ok neat

[crystal ore]

is possible to get more than one duo boon?

[bleak night]

Yeah, no limit besides your RNG

[odd warren]

what does hephaestus' "trusty shield" do? confused on the wordin

i would send a screenshot but no perms
"gain armour in each location until the next, but you prime 30 mana"

how many times do i get armour?

[bleak night]

It gives you the armour on the boon label. If it runs out or goes under that number, it refreshes the moment you enter the next room

So basically regenerable armour

[odd warren]

ohhh ty

how many times can the engraved pin be used?

[sage flame]

once per encounter, unlimited uses through the run

[uneven palm]

It even restores armor if you’re above the boon number. Like if you have Trusty giving 20, enter a room with 100 armor, then lose 20 that room, it’ll pop you back up to 100 next room.

Kinda feels like it shouldn’t do that

Like it’s armor you can lose for free each room at any amount of armor, instead of just a minimum amount of armor you’ll start the next room with

[bleak night]

Ah, true

[pale vortex]

guys which build do you suggest going for the surface to gather some mats for new weapon?

[tardy salmon]

@bleak night Hello, I just wanted to ask about the protagonist's arm.
I feel that it is a great attraction and it looks great, but on a mechanical level it doesn't do much, couldn't they get an "Icaro´s" hammer that gives it a special attack in exchange for the spell? It would be interesting if this unique part of her had more relevance.

[bleak night]

Oh, any reason you pinged me for it haha. But, yeah. it's weird that it has no purpose. Like, Zag's fire feet make him have a short time before he takes lava damage, wonder why Mel doesn't have that for fire, her feet are also on fire.

[willow phoenix]

Maybe because you're here so much it looks like you're part of the dev team lol

Hmm it could be cool to have some mechanics tied to her green arm, maybe some mechanic related to shades?

[bleak night]

lmao fair

[stable lichen]

i assumed that’s what she uses for the “get shades to run into enemy” thing

the real question is whether mel gets actual pain in that arm if she gets hit there

or if it’s phantom pain

[pale vortex]

I just unlocked black coat, how do I unlock the other aspects and what build is good with this weapon?

[willow phoenix]

I want to know if she can shapeshift the arm, like make it longer or turn it into a blade or something

[stable lichen]

damn

that would be very cool

imagine mel with a giant scythe claw

essentially what ming hua from korra does with water arms

[hexed field]

Guess the build from the most damage inflicted stats

Blitz: 83,423
Omega Attack: 65,985
Attack: 49,773
Omega Special: 28,227
Chain-Lightning: 19,622

[willow phoenix]

Moros with zeus special?

[tall notch]

This has to be Moros, right? With all of oattack, attack and ospecial dealing meaningful damage

I could also see a world where this is Eos

[hexed field]

yeah moros with zeus special and apollo on attack

[cursive oyster]

hm

[hexed field]

absurd damage numbers

supergiant do not nerf moros it's so fun

[twilit timber]

I assumed that's the arm used for grasping arcana, it has the same green coloration as psyche and the goop in the big pot you use for incantations. Would have been cool if the arm started with only the fingers green and then it crawled up the arm as you increased your grasp

Also the word 'grasp' seemed fairly indicative xD

[proven edge]

anyone have a video of someone playing the coat? I tried it on 24 fear and got destroyed cuz idk what to do

ik the build anda ll but idk how to play it

[hexed field]

I don't have a video in mind but the omega attack blocks most enemy attacks while charging so keep that in mind

[bleak night]

That's a good shout, actually.

[magic moss]

my sheet has like 50 coat vods

[proven edge]

thx

[proven edge]

yes ik that part

[sage flame]

more or less constantly be attacking and shooting missiles in between attacks and dash attacks

[tall notch]

You're already playing nerfed Moros

[gaunt coyote]

Someone help me understand Reaper vs Siege Frame on the coat. When do I want +10 power, and when do I want +30% damage?

[cursive oyster]

the ten power is better on the base attack, the +30% is better on the omega, that’s about it

[stable lichen]

huh

it would be cool if she only got her arcana powers as a side effect of trying to help icarus out and failing

can we do it again and get 60 grasp

[spare kite]

Sacrifice each limb for 30 grasp

[bleak night]

Nice 120 grasp

[cursive oyster]

we’re gonna need a few more arcana cards for thag

actually wait 53 fear becomes free

[spare kite]

"to compensate, we have increased the cost of each arcana"

[tall notch]

Both legs are so free on the coat, she flies anyway

[inner ferry]

just pommed my volcanic strike to level 8

2 seconds between blasts lmfao

[uneven palm]

Which aspect? I can dig up some vids

[stable lichen]

if we continue the trend of icarus liking mel more because of her one phantom limb he will literally die of dehydration if mel replaces all 4 limbs

[willow phoenix]

Why stop at limbs when mel can fully become a transparent green humanoid figure where we can see her insides

[proven edge]

whichever is the easiest one to get a clear with

[bleak night]

Mel Coat

[sudden belfry]

ooogh
where do i get adamant again...i want the coat!!

[bleak night]

Take pickaxe to new Olympus region

[sudden belfry]

thx!!

ughhh
what r the best axe boons again? hera and demeter still?

i have no idea what to play now lmfao

[bleak night]

for attack?

Hera/Aphro/Apollo, Dem is good on Cast

[sudden belfry]

is the best aspect still charon or has that changed

[bleak night]

shield is gone, so it's a lot less safe.

best aspects rn are Moros, Medea and Pan I think

can put Thanatos after

[sudden belfry]

zamnnn rip charon
on a pan run and have wave flourish, should my cast be aphro, apollo, or dem

gunna try my luck and go apollo

ok well apollo didnt put out so its dem or aphro

[bleak night]

just go Dem, always good

[sudden belfry]

kk

[sudden belfry]

||RETURN OF DIVINE DASH HOLY SHIIIIT||

[bleak night]

Mental Block is the funny one

[sudden belfry]

will have to check that out...
unlocked the coat and zamnnn this is crazy
build ideas?
also how tf do i beat ||prometheus||

[bleak night]

Blitz Special and Wave Attack or Wave Special spam

[uneven palm]

Prometheus has patterns. Learn them ands the fight won’t feel so overwhelming https://youtu.be/vr3VfMbkqmo?si=B-WS1RbBgOLPjgsE

[uneven palm]

That’d be Mel Coat probably. Can do fun things with Exhaust Riser hammer and Poseidon attack (https://youtu.be/wzfnJ9RHpBY?si=M-e8NzVkovVaDe1o) or Hestia attack and Freezer Burn (https://youtu.be/Fdoi7v_UmHI?si=O1Q1Cu85SyYQpeWF) or Zeus attack into Romantic Spark or Master Conductor. Can also pretty successfully spam special missiles (https://youtu.be/AYJBpHhNdBg?si=EMJZ20e4u7SgpEUl) with like Hera or Poseidon on special. When in doubt special attack attack repeat is a solid starting rotation because you can attack while missiles are flying and you wanna get to the higher base damage of the second punch

[proven edge]

thanks A TON!

[bleak night]

want me to help you with a run or something?

[proven edge]

how so

like stream it?

[bleak night]

Yep, give you tips as you go, etc

[proven edge]

would love to when am done with my exam on the 30th, banning myself from games atm to focus on studying c:

[bleak night]

GL GL

[proven edge]

tnx!

[lyric summit]

This might be subjective, but what would be the best Knives aspect to 50 Fear? 🤔

I feel like I struggle the most with that weapon lol

[bleak night]

Artemis

Pan has the best potential to faceroll, but that's assuming you get the stuff you need

[lyric summit]

Aphro/Hera Attack + Demeter Cast?

[bleak night]

you can do Scorch Attack

Hestia/Hera Attack + Dem Cast and Static Shock feels like it should clear without issue, can Heph 4

Lee gushes about Flick Knives, so if you get that early you can shift to using Special for damage

otherwise, the attack button has a lot of hammers that heavily benefit it, Final Slice, Wicked Onslaught, Rapid, etc

honestly, Experimental Hammer Oceanus is usually not the worst, since a lot of the options are good

[cursive oyster]

i will forever be a proponent of engagement ring artemis

[sage flame]

+1

arctic ring is great too but engagement ring goes crazy to help blades

[cursive oyster]

honestly i disliked new er at first but it’s amazing i have decided

[gaunt coyote]

Anyone got any idea why i can't get myself Echo's keepsake? Have all other keepsakes unlocked, have the Narcissus/Echo story complete, but I'm never prompted to gift Echo with her first nectar. What am i missing?

[cursive oyster]

echo needs to be gifted after speaking with her- doing it before would mess with the whole “echos back to you” thing

[stable lichen]

is it just me or is it weird that sun worshipper and ecstatic obsession are just kinda similar duos

both are basically just "one enemy will fight for you"

the only difference is that for sun worshipper you have to kill one thing first

[gaunt coyote]

Ah, thank you

[willow phoenix]

Yea it's kinda boring imo. I was never a big fan of any turning enemies to minion mechanics, but there being 3 ways to do it in the game seems a bit much

Especially with 2 being duos, like why? I guess ecstatic obsession fits aphrodite? If I have to choose which to change it'd be sun worshipper

[stable lichen]

i do wish they go all in and go for a minion build for a hidden aspect because that would be kinda fun

[brave lynx]

the minons suck ass tho so lets not do that

[stable lichen]

i mean it doesnt matter if they individually suck if you end up with like 6 of them or something

[brave lynx]

it does when the AI makes them do nothing

[stable lichen]

fair enough

idk stuff like night bloom has been useful for cheesing olympus in some cases

and it's always hilarious to see a 4 armed dude solo the remaining 50% of cerberus' hp

[bleak night]

It does that much damage ?

[stable lichen]

yeah the 4 armed dude does a surprising amount of damage

i remember it cuz that was how i got past cerbie first time lmao

i just ran around in circles while the dude basically punched cerberus to death

rat man also does a surprising amount of damage to chronos if the night bloom path of stars is invested in

minions are not very practical but i find them very fun

and i feel that something like that could suit a hidden aspect especially since they're all about alternate playstyles and stuff

[bleak night]

maybe it has a damage multiplier when you rez

[brave lynx]

i really dont think it does

[stable lichen]

hell, they could just make it so the first X enemies you kill in a room resurrect as a new type of mob specifically made for the aspect

so they could actually give them competent AI

kinda like revenants but good

[willow phoenix]

Night bloom can get very strong, some of the upgrades are very powerful. Doesn't mean it's not boring though

[stable lichen]

assuming they make one of the hidden aspects after a monarch of the dead, letting mel command legions of the slain would be very fitting

[brave lynx]

hexes in general are quite dull lol

[stable lichen]

wolf howl iframe abuse my beloved

[brave lynx]

see, boring

[stable lichen]

fair enough

[willow phoenix]

Hexes being so dependent on selene keepsake is what holds it back. Too many hexes are balanced around end node upgrades

[stable lichen]

i do find them more enjoyable than calls though ngl

especially since in H1 i'd basically just end up with zeus 90% of the time because it was so overpowered anyways

[brave lynx]

i unironically prefer calls

[stable lichen]

i can see why

[brave lynx]

i've only enjoyed 1 hex and its skyfall.

[stable lichen]

i just think night bloom is funny

[stable lichen]

i just wish the hex tree would be consistent every time for that

every single time i play selene and cascade is the only purple upgrade :/

[willow phoenix]

The only thing I like about calls more than hexes is the flavor, you know the feel you get with Zagreus actively calling for the aid of olympians

[stable lichen]

oh yeah definitely

the adrenaline rush when zag just goes "ZEUS!" and dad says something mildly amusing

and of course, hades' aid brought some absolutely golden lines

also is it just me or is the slowdown on hexes just kinda inconsistent

[willow phoenix]

But call is definitely weaker than hexes imo, it has some strong builds but late game hexes can absolutely carry a run by itself

[stable lichen]

with the exception of zeus

slap on billowing strength, double strike, static shock and you're golden

and you're already halfway to smouldering air

ive had so many runs just turn into a zeus call spam run at the end

[willow phoenix]

Honestly slowdown has been inconsistent since the beginning lol, they patched some of it at least, I haven't noticed any big ones left

[brave lynx]

the slowdown is not only inconsistent its a timer waste in alot of cases

[hazy raft]

slowdown is funny if you get the increased crit chance

[stable lichen]

oh i was talking about the brief slowdown right before you use the hex

[willow phoenix]

I've never encountered bugs on phase shift, but slow down on wolf howl yes. I don't know which ones they have patched and not

[stable lichen]

i use wolf howl quite a bit so ig thats where im seeing stuff

sky fall just has no slowdown which is cool

[willow phoenix]

Honestly they're probably going to remove the slow down from wolf howl too lol

[stable lichen]

good

im so tired of getting slowdown every 2 seconds when im running wolf howl iframe abuse

[brave lynx]

remove the slowdown from all of them or actually slow down the timer when you use them during that dumb slowdown animation

[stable lichen]

i wish they'd just keep the hex trees consistent

[brave lynx]

i rather they have verity

[stable lichen]

maybe redistribute the nodes but dont remove purples or blues

since some of em can make or break a hex (e.g. the night bloom one which makes your summons not die until the end of the room)

[brave lynx]

honestly, its a roguelike, the randomness is better instead of having a set skill tree

cause it'd make certain hexes completely neglected

[stable lichen]

they can randomise all the white nodes all they want

and the positioning of the blues and purples

ESPECIALLY for aspect of selene when the hex is an integral part of your build

[willow phoenix]

They should just add more upgrades per path of stars tbh, make it less reliant on selene keepsake

[brave lynx]

i stand by my comment. the randomness is better then a 'set' of nodes

[stable lichen]

also i just dont really get why the moon phase for hex exists

like ig its cool but it basically never matters for me, im always gonna choose the one most suited to my build

dont really care about missing 1 or 2 upgrades most of the time

[willow phoenix]

Since path of stars is considered less than a boon, there should probably be a major version of it, giving much more upgrades

[stable lichen]

maybe give you the option to reroll the tree?

[brave lynx]

wait, can you artificer the path of stars

[sage flame]

path of stars is a minor reward?

wild I always thought it showed up next to majors

[brave lynx]

i rather they let us reroll hammers before hextrees

[stable lichen]

oh yeah same honestly but realistically that aint happening since they didnt allow it in H1

theres not as many dud hammers in H2 compared to H1 though

[willow phoenix]

Uhh not minor reward like ashes, I meant the level of reward of coins and hearts

Like you can double it with sea star, it's much cheaper too

[sage flame]

those are majors

[willow phoenix]

Yea I forgot how minor minor rewards are lol

Anyway, what I mean is since there's double hearts and double magick reward, there should be a double/bigger path of stars

[stable lichen]

that would be cool

[sage flame]

would be very nice

or even just being able to use a path of stars right when you get your hex

I do understand that it might be a lot for new players but I feel it would help explain how hexes work overall, and help you get going with a certain path

then you also get immediate feedback on what the phases of the moon actually mean for the hex

[polar chasm]

Any tips or guides for 32 fear? Highest I've done is somewhere in the 20s and that last statue is intriguing lol

[brave lynx]

heph boons for defense, dont take pain/grit/wards

[willow phoenix]

Use charon 👍

Charon with demeter cast kinda owns everything

[polar chasm]

I'll try these out, thank you!

[brave lynx]

specifically, mint condition, trusty shield, to some extent fixed gain

[uneven palm]

I’d consider Pan. Hecuba can keep you going for a while. Just need Poseidon, a gain soonish, and a little luck with hammers…. or maybe not I cleared with Sureshot which is decidedly mid

And of course abuse Mental Block

[slender apex]

I'm trying to stay as spoiler free as I can - I haven't beaten Chronos for the first time yet, but I've reached their second phase around 4 times now. I have also reached the boss just outside of Olympus once.
I have weapon aspects as options for upgrades, but I haven't unlocked any yet since I'm not sure where I want to dump my resources yet.

Could I get some minimal/no spoilers advice about general build concepts?
I'm very familiar with Hades 1 and was wondering if similar build ideas applied in Hades 2. (For example, in H1, one pretty general strategy was to focus on flat damage like Zeus on quick hitting but low base damage things like the fists. Or to scale percentage damage in single big chunky hits like some of the Shield aspects.)
Are there similar ideas in H1?

[proven citrus]

poseidon basically takes on zeus's role as the quick hitter with the wave damage, and zeus is kind of more like a wonky doom/merciful end

although zeus as a secondary boon that basically just gives a zap to all your strikes, which is pretty good in the same way as the waves

aphrodite has the highest damage modifier but with the up-close condition she's best used on melee weapons

[sage flame]

yeah depends on what weapon youre using

[proven citrus]

i think arctic ring, storm ring, and smolder ring are all universally good as casts no matter what your build is

maybe stay away from artic and smolder if you have another source of freeze/scorch but if not then they can deal a ton of damage and provide good status effects

there are situations where you really want to play into hephaestus but in general he's better off having his core boon being on your "off hand" and just using it when the blast is charged, because that can be really effective. like if you're using the base melinoe daggers and only ocassionally using your special, you can put aphrodite on your main for the close-up damage and then hephaestus on your special. and you just have to remember to use the special every 12 seconds for the blast between your attacks

[slender apex]

Do elements cancel each other out at all? Like scorch thawing freeze or something.
I assume you were mentioning to stay away from them since the curse effects don't stack (like hangover used to in H1)

[uneven palm]

The H1 tactics mostly apply here. High-base-damage moves want +%, fast or low-base-damage moves want added flat damage.

For the +% gods, Hera is probably best overall (Hitch is great), but Aphro and Apollo are often great. Demeter's damage boost is kinda sad but Freeze is excellent.

For flat damage, Poseidon and Hestia are kinda the easy ones: great on faster attacks. Heph and Zeus are more interesting… often best on "off-hand" moves to mix in but high-rarity Zeus in particular is almost never bad IMO and his duo with Aphro is probably the best duo in the game right now

[slender apex]

Thanks for the tips!
I was really liking Hephaestus cast. Partially just for the audio queue, haha.

[uneven palm]

There's no such thing as element canceling here, except for like 1 very specific duo

[proven citrus]

yeah, the only curse you want to apply multiple instances of is scorch, which can be good, but there's kind of a fine line to walk. if you have too much scorch then the adding more doesn't deal any more damage (eg 1000 scorch has the same dps as 100 scorch so long as neither run out)

although there's a demeter duo that makes the whole stack explode all at once and that's really good

the hephaestus cast is pretty good as an all-rounder too. do you have origination unlocked in the arcana? it's basically privileged status from hades 1, so getting 2 curses online for that is usually a good priority to have.

[slender apex]

Thanks! This helps me orient myself around the new boon offerings.

[cursive oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1260983044563538010/1322723587446018219/image.png?ex=6771e9d6&is=67709856&hm=656f8cb5ccb66a5cafd29b81c97361f052e01079bd73edd06dac3c11a6c01e1a&
how i managed to get this on 55 fear is beyond me

how i managed to fail to dodge the easiest patterns ever on cerb to eat 120 hp of damage is also beyond me

[uneven palm]

Sometimes I feel like the game slightly adjusts Cerb’s timing just to attack me personally

Just like every 50 runs or so the doggo can’t miss

[cursive oyster]

this is true

[unreal valve]

good lim and oros build?

[proven citrus]

my fav i ever did was an artemis build that was just stacking zeus and hera for a big king’s ransom

they attack quickly enough that static shock is really good

[tame vapor]

are there any very good builds at the moment?? like VERY good

[bleak night]

What are you trying to clear specifically ?

[tame vapor]

im having some trouble with the surface overall

[bleak night]

On any weapon or do you have a preference ? I'm mostly an Axe player but idm helping with other weaps

[tame vapor]

any weapon, i dont really have a preference.

[bleak night]

I think Charon on Axe is pretty effortless atm, provided you know the basic mechanics of it and stuff. Otherwise, you can easily clear with Pan, Moros, Medea and the new weapon

Should I do a run so you can see ?

I tend to explain better while actually demonstrating

[past salmon]

Pan Poseidon is probs overall strongest atm

[bleak night]

btw, Plimbo has some interesting edits of the UW bosses if you wanna test it out. On 0 Fear it's hard already

[past salmon]

nah I'm just not playing lol

[bleak night]

We did a stream a few days back but I think it was like super early in the morning for you so I didn't bother pinging

Yeah, fair. I only boot nowadays to get screenies

[tame vapor]

If it wont be inconvenient a video would be quite nice.

[bleak night]

Yeah, I can stream you a run for sure

[past salmon]

the only temptation I have to play atm is to shoot for sub 5 anyfear
if next AOTW in speedcord ends up being Medea I'll probs put some time in

[bleak night]

or did you mean a recording of a run ?

[bleak night]

nobody's did a 4 min yet iirc? ig fun to shoot for if you like gambling fig

[tame vapor]

could you record it? i would prefer that if possible.

[bleak night]

I have runs on my channel already if you wanna see some Axe surface runs ig

[past salmon]

yeh WR is 5:02
I have 3rd on Pan with 5:10 and 4th on medea with 5:14 (missed fig)

[bleak night]

Duo 4fig or was it a 3fig

[tame vapor]

Ill check those out then. thank you very much:) .

[bleak night]

probs all the high rank records are 4fig ?

[past salmon]

I didnt have cherished in either of them

[bleak night]

Oh, does it slow you down to go Hera/Dem ?

[past salmon]

I dont think wr is 4 fig either

[bleak night]

https://www.youtube.com/@Myntkaramell here you go, self plug

Surface runs should be properly labelled in the title with all caps

[past salmon]

Dem is just not usually an optimal god

Medea and Pan are the 2 best weps atm and u pretty much just want Zeus(Poseidon for Pan)/Aphro/Hera/Apollo on them so
dem is whatever

gambling for 4 fig is just not a strat worth going for, its not necessary for sub 5 anyway

[bleak night]

Fate has the record still ?

[past salmon]

nah

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1322887781428756491/image.png?ex=677282c1&is=67713141&hm=636e7ae9a60e680caea10ea00afab752809bef6d817d14c06bbea322284775d0&
Top 10 atm, my 5:10 Pan hasn't been verified yet

[bleak night]

kinda interesting to see how it shifted from mostly Charon to just Pan and Medea from 4 to Olympic

[past salmon]

Charon actually has scaling issues
Ur damage is not very good without getting specifically giga cleaver

and fishing for 1 specific hammer sucks lol

[bleak night]

Ain't that the truth

[past salmon]

although I'm pretty sure Croven had a 5:3X Charon run this patch that he just didn't upload
so its still good

[bleak night]

I tried Apollo Special some time ago and it just never 3-hit anymore btw

I think they just fixed the size or they made it so spaced that you can't

That thing is just really buggy

[past salmon]

but yeah Charon got nerfed cuz of Heart breaker nerfs mainly tbh lol
Strength also benefits Pan/Medea more since its a nice buff to the flat damage of Pos/Zeus

[bleak night]

Why'd they nerf HB anyway

[past salmon]

cuz it was broken af 😭

actually infinite damage ahhh boon

[bleak night]

for speeds mostly no? I barely saw it in fear

[past salmon]

me and Boated used it for 50F speed on Charon a bit

the main problem was getting a duo was annoying

[bleak night]

yeah I don't think I even went for it for 50F speed Charon this patch

[past salmon]

Heart Breakers let u instakill Chronos so easily lol
actually stupid amount of damage and the rarity/pom scaling was obscene

[bleak night]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LEnSdeiHKERTq1BcKNJgh5NezoYVrO8E/view

worst part is it wasn't even Str

just a meme run that happened to have a good time

[past salmon]

I can't believe both of my 50F top times miss TWO fig leaf procs
Genuinely wtf game 😭

[bleak night]

happened on my 55F Pers run, almost died

I kinda just hate relying on it

[past salmon]

I do hope fig gets changed

[bleak night]

I was 16.5 seconds away from just losing the run because Fig https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BfT0dYXp7VRxwEjUldRa9NHKMPvbzvvK/view

[bleak night]

into what tho

[past salmon]

literally anything 😭

[bleak night]

Hangover keepsake would be funny

[past salmon]

just not gamba the keepsake would be good

[bleak night]

will prio gutting Athena probs

[uneven yacht]

how do you know whats the fastest path to take?

I'm trying to play with timer 3 and its necessary to not take unnecessary rooms

[spare kite]

Npc rooms/chaos/shops all skip normal combat rooms
Then is luck to get nemesis/arty encounters which pause the timer or fountains/Arachne's cocoon room

[uneven palm]

Any aspect in particular or just any of them?

[tall notch]

Other than going for your free rooms, I believe prioritising non-menu rewards (so no boons, poms or selene) is also faster because Artemis/cocoons don't show up in menu reward rooms

Unless that got changed, but i haven't heard of that changing

[uneven yacht]

got it thx

[arctic glacier]

What's generally a good attack boon for Skulls?

[bleak night]

Which one ?

[arctic glacier]

generic no aspect

[bleak night]

Hera

[arctic glacier]

o7

[cursive oyster]

if the question includes “attack boon” the answer is usually “hera”

[arctic glacier]

Very true. I do like Aphrodite tho on Sister Blades. Crazy ammount of Omega Attack damage plus her legendary can be quite fun

[uneven yacht]

on sister blades zeus attack boon goes crazy

[hearty ingot]

hello

i use the charon axe

[bleak night]

Strength lets you take heavily reduced damage (50% at max rank), so whenever you heal, gain armour, or get max HP, they're effectively doubled

also it comes with a 25% global damage boost, so it's not just defensive

What do you usually do when you play Charon ?

[hearty ingot]

i always get the lucid gain, the freeze cast from demeter and from there i just do what sounds good tbh

not very planned out

[bleak night]

Ah, yeah that's the classic stuff then. Do you make sure to dash while you charge the Omega Specials to reposition and stuff ?

the Axe guide has some clips on it and stuff

[hearty ingot]

yea i do that, i will definitely try the strength card, looks really good

[hearty ingot]

where can i find it?

[bleak night]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1gmp85h/hades_ii_nocturnal_arms_guide_zorephet_the/

[hearty ingot]

thanks man

[bleak night]

if you're still having trouble with it lmk

[hearty ingot]

thanks, last question can chaos spawn on the surface? ive never seen her

[bleak night]

First rooms of Ephyra and Olympus only I think

[hearty ingot]

must be really rare then never seen it

[bleak night]

can usually make do without Chaos, honestly

I suggest using Silver Wheel in Thessaly and Olympus if your core build is already good, the slowdown should help you do a first clear

otherwise you can maybe run Hephaestus keepsake in Thessaly and get some armour

Trusty Shield is regenerable so it should be good throghout

[hearty ingot]

i totally forgot about trusty shield, you really helped a lot, the guide you sent is also very helpful

im gonna try to clear it now

[bleak night]

Thanks

[hearty ingot]

wait since im using the strength card should i use the Gorgon amulet?

[bleak night]

You can, but yeah you basically just hope Ephyra has Apollo

it's good, but not needed if you're doing first Surface clears

can just run in Thessaly maybe, prio Apollo keepsake for Gain

Mental Block in particular should help if you want Athena, but honestly Silver Wheel from Thessaly onward is good already

[hearty ingot]

alright thanks

[hearty ingot]

man he got me again

[twilit timber]

Man trusty shield on strength is insane

Had an epic shield that took a random pom and I was getting +50 ehp per room before the end of erebus

That's just nuts

Maybe making strength only affect actual health would be better lol

[hearty ingot]

is trusty shield extra rare or something, ive only had it twice i think

[twilit timber]

It's very common?

I can usually get it in like 2 heph boons plus a reroll or two

[graceful sable]

Questio

Haven't played since the new update, what's the new meta build for sister blades

Is it still either Zeus or Poesidon

[silent crow]

pan aspect poseidon special

[cursive oyster]

flame strike is decent on mel and arty

[graceful sable]

I haven't played in over a year so I'm excited to get back in

[silent crow]

the game hasnt been out for a year tho 😭

[compact nest]

the game released 7 months ago...

[graceful sable]

Time is wobbly wibbly

It was a year in Lydia time

[uneven palm]

Across all the blades Pan and Poseidon special is the slam dunk. Mel Blades just try to juice your attack as much as possible and it’ll work out. Artemis same thing but prefer +% attacks and Explosive Ambush

[uneven palm]

If you’re wanting to see how any blades aspect in particular plays I can dig up some videos

[silent crow]

i see

[graceful sable]

If I'm using Pan aspect should I go for Reaper Knives, Sureshot Flurry or Dancing Knives?

On the Hammer

[uneven palm]

Reaper probably. Dancing is OK for room clear

[graceful sable]

I went for Reaper

[graceful sable]

I wonder if I can combine Spiral Knife with Reaper Blade

That is undoubtedly the best

[graceful sable]

What is a good path for the Axe

Starter boon at least and focus

[bleak night]

Aphro/Apollo/Hera attack

then grab either Demeter or Zeus cast and you can build defensive and support boons, don't really need a special on it

Static Shock from Zeus helps a lot with it

[graceful sable]

I'm very much Unga bunga I just like doing big damage without much setup

[bleak night]

Yeah, just attack and a good cast is all you need for it tbh

[graceful sable]

Aspect of Pan blades has carried by best 10 runs

[graceful sable]

What aspect for Axe?

[bleak night]

Mel and Than, for Charon just Gain, Cast and Special

[proven citrus]

i kinda strongly prefer moros over pan for higher fear and speed

it's just easier to deal with individual encounters

obv just a personal opinion

[bleak night]

@stable lichen what weapon do you wanna do tho

[stable lichen]

hmmmmmm

considering either torches or blades

coat just never clicked for me for some reason

[bleak night]

Artemis is pretty good rn

[stable lichen]

its weird that there are somehow fewer long ranged weapons in here compared to H1

like the only one i can really call purely long ranged is mel torches

[bleak night]

True, hoping the hiddens change that because honestly, melee playstyle is kinda superior

even for Charon, melee playstyle is superior

[stable lichen]

yeah

i miss hestia turning the game into a point and click rhythm game

[bleak night]

Dem beams

[stable lichen]

oh yeah achilles my beloved

achilles was just such a versatile weapon

even now i use artemis blades like achilles lite in some respects lol

[bleak night]

also Pos Sword ig

[stable lichen]

and every single shield with charged shot

[bleak night]

needs more of those hammers that give you ranged options

hoping they rework more hammers

Axe kinda sucks because Charon only wants 3 of them out of 12

[stable lichen]

just turn siege shredder into a projectile instead of whatever the hell it is now

[willow phoenix]

Throwing an axe sounds fun

[bleak night]

Siege Shredder needs a lot of work, yeah

It's a disjoint, so it takes more effort to hit the 3 hits now

[stable lichen]

half the time it doesnt hit anything

its probably worse because im playing with keyboard only (no mouse lmao)

[bleak night]

...wtf

[stable lichen]

yep

it is one of the setups of all time

[bleak night]

@magic moss

[magic moss]

what

[bleak night]

add to the weird setups

[magic moss]

oh lmao thats certainly something

[bleak night]

kb no m is wild, ngl

[stable lichen]

arrow keys for movement, space for cast, shift for special, a for attack, x for dash

where is this weird setup sheet ooc

would be cool to see what people have been using

[bleak night]

Oh there's none, just memeing

[stable lichen]

lmao

[bleak night]

I think it's just you and I that have the weird setups, if anything.

[stable lichen]

i might be the first person to beat 50F with just keyboard

that feels very weird to think about

[sage flame]

that's wild

[pseudo sequoia]

we need to bring back advancing whirlwind..........seething marauder is a great hammer but advancing was such a fun option idk why they got rid of it

[bleak night]

Probs because it just really awkward without psychic whirl ig

[stable lichen]

how did that work with psychic i only started in olympic

[bleak night]

You kinda kept spinning and couldn't dash out of it iirc

[stable lichen]

oh that sucks

[bleak night]

You want a full Tartarus vid of it? I have one

[stable lichen]

ooo

[magic moss]

mf aspect of guan yu

[bleak night]

yeah hf https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1249066951305859194/GUAN_YU_HELLO.mp4?ex=67738e7f&is=67723cff&hm=163a5fd88a22f5701dd096583620e2f18d01a7477b8c592e210192ed85615296&

[pseudo sequoia]

im pretty sure you could? i might be wrong though
if it didn't then yea obviously that's Bad but aside from that i found it fun enoguh

[bleak night]

I think they later added that if you dashed, the whirlwind projectile also disappears

[pseudo sequoia]

yeah that's how i remember it working

[bleak night]

but yeah, advancing felt like a "You must have Psychic for it to be good" hammer

[stable lichen]

how much did you pom mint condition damn

[bleak night]

Mint now is 6/7/8/9 + 1/level

old Mint was 6/8/10/12 +2/level at first, +1 on next

[stable lichen]

holy thats overpowered

[magic moss]

nope

[pseudo sequoia]

yea mint condition was absurdly overpowered

[bleak night]

huh ?

[magic moss]

it used to be even stronger https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1323320618157871185/image.png?ex=677415dd&is=6772c45d&hm=655eba24e6f7a5435269e8ccd76edc008d12650244c1b4ffed7a2c84c63c6b78&

[bleak night]

Oh right, yeah. It was originally 8 at common 1

[stable lichen]

damn

[bleak night]

Forgot about that, was so used to 6

[stable lichen]

its still so good even now

[pseudo sequoia]

it is! though now it's gone from "near essential" to just "very very good"

[magic moss]

:) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1323321298109337710/image.png?ex=6774167f&is=6772c4ff&hm=24d08b7eb7e587949f2b0170e9c1cac4e3ef7ddfdaf8cc8122a9aee0e34c5850& this was patch 4

[bleak night]

lol.

to be fair, you also just took 4x damage on first hit back then so

[stable lichen]

this is where id say heph helped me a lot in my run

if he bothered showing up at all

[bleak night]

Suffering was funny for sure

[pseudo sequoia]

ah yes the era where trusty shield held high fear runs on its shoulders instead of atlas

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1257177817905627236/Thank_you_Nemesis.mp4?ex=67740f55&is=6772bdd5&hm=0d429720f83c56b2c8ce32ed1e6cdc653f3904b0bb61f489b1a7e8d76e9bb27d&

Also had some stupid stuff happening lol

[pseudo sequoia]

incredible.

[stable lichen]

also is it just me or is chronos just not really that hard of a fight even at 50F

like the only reason i took a bunch of damage was because my heart was beating ultra quickly

it felt like some of the rooms were more of a challenge

[bleak night]

just used to him ig

[stable lichen]

the suck is just so exploitable

[bleak night]

also Mental Block kinda just does so well because a lot of his attacks are either projectiles or instant swings, so even if you mistime, the lingering invuln helps

[stable lichen]

mental block just does well against literally everything tbf

[pseudo sequoia]

yeah no chronos isn't super hard, it helps that everything is telegraphed and he isn't affected by fangs and shadows

[bleak night]

ye true. I just did my 50Fs without Athena honestly

[pseudo sequoia]

this'll probably change when extreme measures are added though

[bleak night]

hopefully

[stable lichen]

oh boy cant wait for the entire third phase to be slowed down like the entire third was darkness in H1

scylla just turns up with an entire symphony orchestra

[pseudo sequoia]

tbf im not here to have fun im here for the music

[stable lichen]

scylla continues the trend from H1 of the second boss being the easiest

which is broken by eris

[twilit timber]

Doesn't it still with strength?!? 😂

Tho ig mental block is bigger now

[bleak night]

not rly, I don't mind going without Heph, but he does help a lot

[stable lichen]

do onion'ed boons still contribute to the god pool

[twilit timber]

I believe so yes

(I do ironically have experience with onion because I I run it for 16f setup)

[stable lichen]

huh

[pseudo sequoia]

i mean it's generally useful but it's nothing compared to how essentially required it was when we still had vow of suffering

[stable lichen]

so heph just decided not to show up because screw me i guess

[twilit timber]

Was it region 2?

Rift/Oceanus is the worst with onion

[stable lichen]

ironically it was fields

[twilit timber]

Never equip a god keepsake in region 2 if you are running onion

[stable lichen]

i didnt have a single nonhermes boon other than the miniboss door

i just did athena for 2 for mental block asap

[twilit timber]

Oh I if I run strength I take Athena right out of the gate

[stable lichen]

i took hera first since no hitch would just make erebus slow af

[bleak night]

That's true

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1323324609143242863/image.png?ex=67741995&is=6772c815&hm=c14e00380ae6edf1d3883a486546b54050f6ebe1a57c231f281a816f9261de3d& good ol patch 4, where pos was taken less than heph wasn't

higher presence % than hera btw

[stable lichen]

tf does poseidon even do for high heat

flood control?

[pseudo sequoia]

hydraulic might and water fitness i guess? i don't usually take him outside of pan runs unless im forced to

[magic moss]

now or patch 4?

[stable lichen]

intended to be patch 4 but does he even do anything now outside of specific builds

i guess narcissus gave me breaker sprint which helped keep huntress up for my run

[magic moss]

now, good primarily damage option for coat and pan, flood control synergizes insanely well with strength, water fitness is just free ehp,and hydrolic might is just solid overall

back then uh erm hahaha unlucky ig XDD?

[stable lichen]

lmao

is hera objectively too broken

she is basically just the queen of crowd control and gives you the second highest (?) damage percentage to boot (and also gives you origination)

[bleak night]

Apollo has better percentage at Epic and Heroic

on Common, Hera for sure, Rare they're equal

[stable lichen]

ah

[bleak night]

Apollo hard scales with rarity compared to Hera and Dem

[stable lichen]

but hera and dem are just so useful

arctic ring is basically my crutch for everything

pretty much just my H1 divine dash equivalent

[magic moss]

objectively no

i would actually argue that the best god "objectively" is dem, good defensive utility and freeze on attack/special makes up for its lack of % dmg increases

given her legendary as well, and you just have a very solid one god build

this is considering all levels of fear as even 40+F is like <1% of the playerbase tbh

[stable lichen]

oh yeah demeter is also very very strong

freeze is a big step up from chill (which does also exist)

[sacred tendon]

What are some good aspect of Thanatos builds??

[uneven palm]

Take your favorite of Aphro (big number), Apollo (big reach), or Hera (best overall) on attack. Add Demeter cast so it's easy to charge big Omega attacks or chops. She also has Weed Killer if you're doing Omega moves. Seething Marauder and Psychic Whirlwind are the best Omega attack hammers, or you can play it like fast Mel Axe if Hell Splitter or Executioner's Chop show up

Thanatos can get away with weird gains. Aphro's or Unseen arcana will charge mid-spin so a big spin is nearly free. Dem's gain will also charge mid-spin if you're not moving.

You can also do wacky stuff like Hestia attack into Freezer Burn w/ Demeter

[sacred tendon]

Thank you

[gaunt coyote]

Axe is just so damn satisfying. Feels like it’s got the most balanced aspects in terms of power and they’re all stone killers

[exotic carbon]

Surprised there are no pins yet. I’m struggling for damage. No clears/aspects yet. I’ve gotten to chronos P2 a few times. I’m after some decent build ideas that can be gotten reasonably consistently with as many weapons as people wanna share

[sage flame]

id say just play around with god keepsakes and learn how their core boons affect gameplay, and then you can start looking into what gods work well with each weapons, there's nothing set in stone for set builds, just lots of boons work well with each other

do you have the codex unlock that shows all of gods offerings?

that's also good to look through, see duos and legendaries and such

[silent crow]

arctic ring + blitz attack is an easy win for every weapon imo

[sage flame]

also real

[gaunt coyote]

I find the black coat to be a good source of braindead damage. Get Aphrodite or Poseidon attack, put Demeter on cast for crowd control and try to find Zeus for static shock or whatever his chain lightning attack boon is. You can spin2win your way through a lot just using coat dash attack, particularly if you find the exhaust riser hammer

[silent crow]

you can only get the coat if youve gotten to the 3rd surface area 😭 😭 😭

[gaunt coyote]

And when I say a lot I mean the entire game

Oh biscuits, I’m sorry 🙈 Axe is excellent and braindead too! Aphro make big numbers, Apollo has huge range, Hera has a little bit of everything you want. Pick an attack boon and focus on learning your movement

[hearty ingot]

whats the best weapon to use for the surface i cant beat the damn prometheus

[uneven palm]

Same as underworld: strongest are probably Pan, Charon, Moros, Medea

[uneven palm]

Some aspect-free builds…

Staff: stack attack hammers. Wicked/Mirrored/Rapid thrasher in combination make anything on attack viable.
Blades: Hestia attack, add Demeter cast/special for Freezer Burn
Torches: honestly anything is fine on attack/special. Most folks recommend using it at range with Hera attack
Axe: any +% attack, Demeter/Heph for freeze/safety. Throw Heph/Zeus on special or cast for an added source of damage. Dashing Heave is the best hammer.
Skull: same as axe but Possessed Array and Bolstered Array are the best hammers
Coat: Zeus attack, add Aphro and dig for their duo Romantic Spark. Or luck into the Exhaust Riser hammer and spam Poseidon attack, Hestia attack, or Static Shock from Zeus

[hearty ingot]

whats the best mana regen for thanatos

[gaunt coyote]

Usual suspects. Hera is best for raw regen, Aphrodite will keep up with axe’s magic output while giving free origination 24/7 if you grab her legendary. Apollo is good, Zeus is fine, Poseidon is workable. Rest aren’t terribly desirable

[uneven palm]

Demeter ain’t bad you’ll get magick back mid-spin if you stand still

[hearty ingot]

bro prometheus is so damn hard i cant fking beat him

he keeps dashing to me i cant even attack him

[sage flame]

he has spaces between his attack combos, and charged/quick variants for each of his attacks

just observing his moveset is good to learn how to beat him

[hearty ingot]

everythings so hard to dodge i feel like a drone

i failed 14 times already

iim gonna watch people fight

[gaunt coyote]

Slooooow yourself down

[tame silo]

Honestly? Don’t greed while fighting him, it’s not worth it

[gaunt coyote]

You can’t spam dodges like h1 and keep safe. Focus on your spacing and placement and dash only when needed

[tame silo]

Take it slow and steady and focus on dodging his attacks rather than getting damage in, and after you get used to that work on weaving damage in between dodges

[gaunt coyote]

You don’t need speed in your play until you’re well into the lategame. Keep your mind on your fundamentals. Don’t play the game when it’s not your turn to play

[hearty ingot]

yea i am greeding too much ill take it slower but the fight is gonna be so long

thank you guys

[tame silo]

I wouldn’t worry too much about the time, your runs will get a lot faster the more you practice and fight him

[uneven palm]

Dude has some patterns. This might help https://youtu.be/vr3VfMbkqmo?si=mMPKNVQDh7duSSDD

[hearty ingot]

thank you ill watch it right away

thats really helpful thank you

[nova escarp]

Is there a stats screen where you can see dodge % and base dmg etc? I might be dumb or blind, but I haven't found it yet.

[cobalt zinc]

Hey, can anyone share the speedrunning discord channel's invite? The pinned one is expired unfortunately

[bleak night]

#self-promotion message this one expired ? Link still active to me

[hearty ingot]

finally got him thank you

[bleak sleet]

is hestia good? she has some regens

[uneven palm]

She’s fine if you’re planning on mixing in regular attacks.

[gaunt coyote]

Hestia can be quite good or just ok in my experience. Like Aphro, her gain only really works when you’re not using your omega moves. This lends her to faster-firing weapons that don’t use magic too often. She’s excellent on the staff with the double-attack hammer for instance, but weak on say torches where the gameplan is to hold down omega attack until the room is dead

[twilit timber]

Man

F'd 2 16 fear charon runs by getting caught in the time bubbles in chronos phase 2 😭

In a row, even got apollo's legendary the second run

[lyric summit]

Happens to the best of us 😭

[bleak sleet]

ah i see thank you

[stark ibex]

Just fought prometheus good lord i just wanna speak to whoever designed this man(i lost bro hadn't even lost 25%)

[polar chasm]

Already doing better on surface 32 cause I cleared the first two rooms in 30 seconds 😤

HERACLES LETS GO

[odd warren]

what does seething marauder for the axe do?

reads as "Your Attacks also deal 60 damage to surrounding foes, for each and every strike"

[spare kite]

Creates a shockwave when attacking

[silent crow]

it sapwns a shockwave every time you hit something that deals 60 dmg

[spare kite]

Also applies to the O.attack

[odd warren]

centered on the hit enemy?

and does it also apply that 60 dmg to the enemy that activated it?