h2-builds-and-combat

[fiery narwhal]

It's because I like to play the game I wanna be better faster, easy

[timber pawn]

But why, you only need like 20 darkness total in the game

[fiery narwhal]

and defeat HADESSSSS

[twin ridge]

Brother, that's the wrong game!

[magic moss]

i mean hes not wrong

with that 20 you can buy h1 and get 2000 darkness ez pz

let him cook frfr

[twin ridge]

You know what I really want to buy, Entropy....

If anyone has that, damn you're wild

[brave lynx]

i got my first entropy yesterday, only cost me my credit card

[fiery narwhal]

I saw people having thousands of darkness, that's insane haha

I was shocked

[twin ridge]

You sure that was Hades 2?

[brave lynx]

play for 700hrs and you'll get there.

[twilit timber]

That's more than 1 darkness an hour, that sounds unlikely

[fiery narwhal]

well thats why I wanna spend money, I prefer not to do that 😂

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1298880973399916605/1309192348495773697/ok_game.mp4?ex=6740afe3&is=673f5e63&hm=adb790bf0cc724c8edd9a8e9aa47d15d6877ec349740314a9484ebc9c3246177&

[brave lynx]

typical oceanus room.

[bleak night]

I might have won without this room

[twin ridge]

55 heat, mad lad

[half sigil]

That clip is wild

[bleak night]

55F Mental Block + Lucid Gain + Total Eclipse that had Eminence

I started Athena in Erebus and got Aphro/Apollo core with fat armour stacks

[half sigil]

Mental block the goat

[bleak night]

was not meant to be, I'll try again in 2 weeks or something, the game is distracting me from work

[brave lynx]

who needs work when you have hades2

[half sigil]

I wanna try 55 too eventually, looks painful tho

[bleak night]

it's not as bad if you're using a Manaless

[half sigil]

Yea, just rng

[bleak night]

Charon just sucks at 55 is all

[brave lynx]

after 32 go to 40, then 50, then 53..... then 55

[half sigil]

I aren’t doing 53

[bleak night]

the rest can go Stalwart

and have a DD every room, but Charon needs to be alive the whole time

[brave lynx]

53 is just a typical judgement run

[half sigil]

Sorry bot, « frick » stalwart I’m going block

[twin ridge]

What's the aracana setup for 53 heat anyways?

[bleak night]

Strength/Titan mostly

I do a stupid one that I can't really recommend, but somehow people get it working

[half sigil]

The lack of rolls is what really scares me in 55

[brave lynx]

just get them after erb

[idle lodge]

What builds are poseidon attack/special boons good on? (Splash that knocks foes away)

[half sigil]

Pan is goated with Pos

Otherwise black coat on attack

[twin ridge]

How much Arcana do you get on 53

[brave lynx]

6? iirc

[timber pawn]

Hi mynt hope you're doing well

[bleak night]

Doing alright ig, did a little run to decompress from work, I'll be out for another 2 weeks or so

[half sigil]

Good to see ya buddy

[bleak night]

Thanks, just making sure I'm still good enough to play

I was just completely unable to do 50Fs again after my long break before, but that was months instead of weeks

[magic moss]

i have every single arcana page used to clear a 51+ run on the sheet under the name btw

if the name is underlined, that means theres an arcana page since they ran some level of void

[twin ridge]

Aha, thx!

Update @half sigil, I can at least get passed the fist boss on heat 50 surface, 3 bosses left to master

[half sigil]

2 boss. Surface only has 3

[brave lynx]

i'll probably start pushing 50 soon, just been too preocupied on other things

[twin ridge]

I count the stupid octopus bro as a whole boss

[half sigil]

Ah. Well he’s not always there anyways

[twin ridge]

For me he is : (

[bleak night]

@half sigil btw got dm'd that you tested the Nyx thing and the second Attack doesn't apply, just the missiles ?

feels like a bug, have you F10'd it

[half sigil]

Neither the attack or the missile

F10?

[bleak night]

the missile splits once it hits, no ? Like, a second one comes out

after it hits the original target

[half sigil]

Yea it splits, just not on a single target

Also doesn’t seem to retain the property of the special boon

[bleak night]

so it's kinda just buggy

does the damage increase from Hera or something not retain

[half sigil]

And for the attack on a single target it does similar dmg

like with or without nightspawn

[bleak night]

I know it doesn't apply secondary effects like Waves but wondering if the % boost works on Nightspawn rockets

[half sigil]

i'm not sure i can try later if you want. I just tested the attack mostly

[bleak night]

bug report button

[half sigil]

ah no i haven't. I should. Is the attack supposed to do more dmg?

[bleak night]

Was the Coat attack always 30 and 40 or was it nerfed a lil before, I can't tell anymore

[half sigil]

38 50

at least that's what it is now

[bleak night]

Strength

[half sigil]

oh right mb

i'm not sure if it was changed but yea its still 30 40

[bleak night]

either way I should just wait for full release before I do anything about the guides already out

I didn't even know the Artemis boon for omega damage boost when dashing got changed

[half sigil]

yea like i mentioned in the other discord it's really not a big deal, just pointed that out

[bleak night]

name of it, at least

[half sigil]

silver streak?

[bleak night]

ye it's Shadow Pounce now apparently

[half sigil]

yea it got me confused initially when i looked at hte axe guide but figured it out eventually lol

ah also, do you know what makes the O boost dmg increase?

it seems to start at 150 (180 w/ str), but somehow getsd higher as you go further

[bleak night]

it's 140, no ?

[half sigil]

hold on i always use str lemme try without

seems to be 150 without

[bleak night]

idk anymore lol, I barely played this patch

[half sigil]

no biggie

[bleak night]

if the damage randomly increases, it might just be hitting the same target multiple times ?

I did only Charon runs today to replace the patch 5 run

[half sigil]

Its more likely that some boons affects it i'm just not sure which ones

cause dmg increased isn't x2 so idk

[ember frigate]

does anyone have a good arcana set/build if you unlocked 30 grasp?
or does it depend on which weapon you use?

[bleak night]

depends on the aspect for the most part, tho about 60-70% of aspects share the same core

or 50-60, more of

[bleak night]

@hollow briar what the hell are your thumbnails lmao

[uneven palm]

🟩🟩⬛️⬛️⬛️
🟩🟩⬛️⬛️⬛️
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
🟩🟩⬛️⬛️🟩
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Along these lines? Maybe you’re turning off Lovers or Origination for some other damage or Artificer

Or you don’t care about sorceress on non-Omega aspects

Or swapping eternity for strength etc

[bleak night]

clever way to present the Arcana, nice

[fiery narwhal]

guyssss

who can teach me a thing or two about the game? I watched some videos and made notes, but I still have some questions

[uneven palm]

Ask away, maybe someone who knows will see it here

[fiery narwhal]

I want to know what I can spend rewards on and what keepsakes are best to have

To benefit of my progress the best I can

I still didn't even get to win again Hades even once haha

[uneven palm]

Just double checking: You’re sure in the right game chat? You don’t fight Hades in this one

[fiery narwhal]

ohhh, I just read now, this is hades 2

[uneven palm]

Yup

[fiery narwhal]

thank you, im going to hades1 now

[twin ridge]

Before you go, there are no micro transactions in hades 1 either!

[fiery narwhal]

I know

[fiery narwhal]

thanks tho

[bleak night]

I think there are mods that just bypass costs of stuff

[ornate acorn]

Im following the updated simple 32 fear guide for xinth

Wondering what special boon im supposed to go for?

[fiery narwhal]

like what?

[bleak night]

Hera or Poseidon on missiles is all you need honestly lol

[bleak night]

#self-promotion message

I think they have mods that straight up turn costs of stuff into 0 for both H1 and H2, check the depository channels

I remember using the endless mod for H1

[fiery narwhal]

wow, this is so cool

Thank you mate, hopefully this actually works

[fiery narwhal]

@bleak night hi, have you used any of their mods?

[bleak night]

for H2? I used PonyMenu so I can take clips of boons in the training room for my guide, why ?

[fiery narwhal]

I don't know how to install mods

Should I read their read me channel?

[bleak night]

Are you downloading from Nexusmods ?

[fiery narwhal]

I don't even know what to download

Let me read the guide first

[bleak night]

look at the nexus-feed channels, use the search bar or scroll through to find what you want

[fiery narwhal]

wow, there is a lot there

[bleak night]

you can just go to the Nexusmods website itself and use the search function

[fiery narwhal]

okay

wow, crazy

I'm gonna have so much fun

[bleak night]

yeah, have fun. When I bought H1 on Steam, I did the OlympusExtra mod since I couldn't run it on Switch before

[fiery narwhal]

I am using Vortex premium

did you do the same?

[bleak night]

idk what that is, I remember the OlympusExtra mod just made me download something from github and then replace some internal files

[fiery narwhal]

and what did that mod give you?

[bleak night]

that gives you 3 extra gods + some new keepsakes

It was just a content mod, you should be able to download as you please for both H1 and H2 now I think

[fiery narwhal]

how do I enter the files in hades?

[bleak night]

the mods you find should have installation instructions

[fiery narwhal]

okay

[bleak night]

kinda differs, most just replace files I think

[fiery narwhal]

I will try to find it

[bleak night]

H2 has a mod manager now, so idk for H1

[fiery narwhal]

this darkness increase doesn't have a tutorial or I just can't find it

[bleak night]

best ask their discord for help regarding those

not entirely sure how those work

[low bear]

it's pretty funky how the Apollo mod in H1 has similar effects to the Apollo we got here in H2

I think Apollo there had Daze too

[bleak night]

Blind, but ye

[hollow briar]

Pretty much just whatever pops into my head for a backdrop and then whatever helped the build come together lol

[tall notch]

I thought that was bacn posting their wordle result at first 😭

[uneven palm]

lol I got it in 4 today

[tall notch]

Wordle 1,252 4/6*

⬛⬛🟨🟨⬛
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That's my arcana setup for today

[split igloo]

Was thinking of using cast on persephone still gauging how the "charge" works to compare different casts

[tall notch]

My Perseph clear had it I think

[split igloo]

been practicing first time adding any substantial fear, and have finally had some successful clears on 24f with: max pain, frenzy, menace, scars, and timer. Feels like a totally different game than what I was playing before lol. Any recommendations on what fears to add on next trying to get closer to 32?

[uneven palm]

Denial, Hubris are relatively easy. If you’re wanting to push Fear a lot you might wanna start getting used to Frenzy

[split igloo]

Yea i have max frenzy on, tried to turn on the stuff like that and no healing to get used to it

[cursive oyster]

you don’t really have to run no healing until past 40 fear tbh

[split igloo]

Definitely the hardest for me to get used to so far. Really makes you realize how much little chip damage i take trying to go fast

[uneven palm]

I just stay away from Hordes (makes everything worse) and the onionizer. I hate Debt but probably that’s worth taking around 32. Fangs and Shadows aren’t terrible (but sometimes some BS fangs combos will ruin your day).

[neon stag]

what does 'proc' mean

[timber pawn]

Usually 'to trigger'

[neon stag]

ok ty

[tall notch]

If your end goal is 32, honestly don't bother with no healing

It only becomes super important from 40 onward

[cinder oriole]

I need opinion of people who play the game a decent amount:

If you could have a keepsake that, like some daedalus hammers, it's special attack removes a % of enemy armor, how would you scale it so it's fair for all weapons (axe still broken probably).

+10/20/30%?

[pseudo sequoia]

that's probably too specific for a keepsake, especially since i already have a chance to get that when choosing experimental hammer

[past salmon]

I probably just wouldn't have that as a keepsake

[cinder oriole]

Fair point. Was just using the upgrade and the run was pretty easy, so i though maybe it would be awesome if they added it as a keepsake. But yeah, maybe not

[half sigil]

50%, there are hammers and upgrade that do that already. If you gonna give up your keepsake for armor, 30% is kinda trash. But also ye i wouldn’t use it

[twilit tendon]

Hi, i'm currently going for "higher" heat (currently at 12 or 16 depending on weapons) I barely went that high in h1 and I'm having trouble which vows I should pick, do you guys have any advice ?

[half sigil]

I would start getting used to max frenzy, it gives a lot to fear. Then time, either max or level 2. Once you’re used to it, it’s really not bad. Menace is also quite easy. Fangs is a lot of point but can be annoying. Hubris/denial are pretty free. Shadow is free. Debt and menace also aren’t too bad

And grit

[cursive oyster]

the two things you should start with are the vow of frenzy for enemy speed and the vow of time for a time limit- both can be rough but you also need to get used to them as they give a lot of fear. past that look for fear that seems manageable- debt, menace, hubris, denial

[half sigil]

Basically I would just avoid forfeit, wards, scars, revenants and hordes

[cursive oyster]

scars 1/2 are fine

[half sigil]

Yea just not max

[twilit tendon]

Ok I'll try this out thanks ! also maybe I can find something above in the chat but do you have a general strategy/setup to recommend for each weapon ?

With the daggers I like to use Pan's with some Engagement Ring for Hitch, then add some Zeus/Hestia boons to benefit from the fast attacks

[cursive oyster]

mininet has a sheet with every very high fear clear ever recorded here, it includes the victory screenshots with the builds linked

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit

that’s always a good place to start

[pseudo sequoia]

nah id probably recommend scars max it's not as hard to manage as you'd think

max hp rewards (your healing) are very common and so are death defiance refills if you have to use them, and there are quite a few defensive boons that can go a long way (trusty shield, mint condition, nitro boost, wispy wiles, hot pot etc)

[tall notch]

Wards can be fine, depending on the weapon

[tall notch]

I wouldn't recommend full scars until like 40 fear. That person is at 16

[half sigil]

Yea exactly, there are much easier things to deal with than scars

[pseudo sequoia]

more than fair, it's not completely necessary but it's also not impossible

[half sigil]

It’s not about being impossible, it’s just for his level of fear there are much easier things to add imo

At least if we’re talking about max scars

[cunning sable]

It took a full extra week and another 12 runs for it to show up. Each run taking 2 hammers + Icarus’s keepsake. And it showed up in the last one as the Icarus hammer after two hammers.

Now to hunt down the Demeter legendary and the last few duo boons

[half sigil]

I wsh we could roll hammers

[split igloo]

what keepsakes do people generally run for oceanus/fields at higher heat? My usual order is God keepsake > Athena > Fig Leaf/Chaos/Hammer > Engraved Pin. Is that pretty standard?

[cursive oyster]

typically i run fig leaf in tart

[split igloo]

i still suck at chronos so often lean on chaotic 10 sec spam to kill him - should probably work on that lol

[tall notch]

Droplet in fields really grew on me. Move speed is good when the zones are so massive

[cursive oyster]

i suck at chronos but i suck at tart more

[tall notch]

But if I need power I'll take a hammer and if I need life I'll take pin

I won't run Chaos unless i happen to be in a situation where it'll be beneficial for me no matter what bonus I get. It's not the most consistent keepsake

[split igloo]

oh i never run droplet. will give that a shot. makes sense. Yea true on chaos. Although I generally have bad luck with hammers as well lol

[near ginkgo]

When is it beneficial to use chaos? I usually do it for the bonus challenge.

[magic moss]

hes primarily talking in the context of high fear, but solely beneficial chaos would be for aspects that can utilize attack, special, and omega moves (eg. Moros, Pan, Momus). A bad chaos roll can kill the run on the spot

[near ginkgo]

Momus my beloved Thank you!

I have no idea what the meta is anymore, every time I have a fav it turns out to be mid or low tier

[magic moss]

there is no meta, everything can clear

though ig now if you were to say there is a meta that would probably be pan poseidon and Medea? Charon and Moros ave all been strong for a while now as well, so who knows

[near ginkgo]

I like the new weapon, the black coat, it’s fun because I feel like magic iron man

[near ginkgo]

Poseidon is meta?

[magic moss]

on pan and coat yes

[near ginkgo]

Pan seems like the meta

I don’t like it much myself but I see the appeal

[magic moss]

i mean theres only really a “meta” in the context of speedrunning

for all other clears, low or high fear, i hate using the word “meta” when it comes to aspects

there is no meta

[tribal wedge]

On pan? Why

Zeus, hestia and Apollo are much better options

[magic moss]

each individual knife from the omega special applies the damage from poseidon's special

so if you throw 10 knives with a common wave flourish, you're dealing 200 damage from the splash alone, which can aoe clear encounters and absolutely delete guardians

add the fact that pomming the wave flourish oftentimes gives higher value, the added aoe + higher damage makes poseidon significantly better than any other deity for pan

[magic moss]

why do you think zeus hestia apollo are better options for pan?

i can sort of understand apollo for his legendary, hestia for freezer burn, but why zeus?

[tribal wedge]

Pan is good at activating blitz, similar to xinth

It only gets more effective with hammers and boons

[magic moss]

i would actually argue otherwise, with hammers actually decreasing the value of zeus on pan. I want to make this clear by saying I'm talking about the special boons from the gods. With Zeus, blitz only needs to hit a certain damage threshold, which pan's base kit can indeed reach very easily. However, with more boons and hammers, pan greatly benefits from added sources of damage due to how many projectiles it throws. This does not scale with Zeus, while Poseidon greatly does

Hestia is a good source of damage, but you will need freezer burn to actually make use of applying so much scorch since its a DOT effect. Poseidon has comparable damage upfront

[half sigil]

it really isn't. Best hammer is spiral and because of cooldowns you only activate blitz 1 per speical

dmg between pos and zeus is not even close and the higher the rarity/pom level, the bigger the difference

[near ginkgo]

I like blitz, it’s fun

[half sigil]

hey if you like it god bless, just saying damage wise poseidon is by far the best choice on pan

[magic moss]

i like blitz as well, think its a cool mechanic

i wish i could play patch 1 momus again

[summer seal]

Dude. Patch 1 Momus was so beautifully broken. Easy 32 fear clears all day

[tribal wedge]

I slightly disagree on waves scaling, while when it comes to wiping out enemies, when it comes to Guardians it tends flounder. Tho i may not have had the best build since I don't use poseidon much

[half sigil]

especially on single target it's by far the higest dps

like of any weapons

[tribal wedge]

Alright I'll test that out

[uneven palm]

For sure Pan Spiral Wave Flourish is like insta-phase any boss

[half sigil]

https://streamable.com/3ypb5j

Just literally roll through any boss lol

[magic moss]

of all the discussions i would imagine myself going through today, arguing poseidon being the best god on pan was not on that list

[blissful sphinx]

posseidon is 100% the best god on pan lmao

I found a very funny build with torches

Incandescent aura + born gain + weed killer + bloodline + as much magic as possible

so basically you deplete your magic super fast which spamis incandescent aura

[tribal wedge]

I thought it was alway Zeus, he's god tier on everything for some reason

[half sigil]

He has a good cast, static shot is really good. And his special is good cause a lot of special aren’t super strong but they apply blitz which is decent burst dmg for low commitment attacks. (Like axe spin, skull dash, torches special, coat special etc)

But usually not the best on your main damaging move

[magic moss]

hes good because of static shock and blitz being the best secondary damage source in the game

like tidus said, zeus is incredible at complementing any build to add more damage and utility, but zeus alone isnt actually that good

[tribal wedge]

I use him as a main source of damage alot with mel coat and than axe

[half sigil]

Anything work tbh

[magic moss]

^ even up to like 40-45 fear anything can clear

[half sigil]

Im sure 50 too depending on the weapon. Like blitz pan would still beat most other weapons with meta load outs lol

[tribal wedge]

Is pan that good?

[half sigil]

Yea it’s absurdly strong rn. Would get shocked if it doesn’t get nerfed

[tribal wedge]

I hope not, carrying on the chiron legacy

[half sigil]

Same but I wouldn’t be mad either, it would be understandable

[spare kite]

Chiron but good at high fear and speedrunning finally exists

[half sigil]

The only thing that sucks is it’s pretty hammer reliant

Like you kinda really want spiral

[timber pawn]

I wonder if spiral gets nerfed tbh, like just less daggers

[half sigil]

Could be yea

[tribal wedge]

They rlly need to buff the melee, especially the omega

[half sigil]

The melee?

[magic moss]

that actually might make artemis a bit too strong

[half sigil]

yea dagger melee is kinda good

it just has low range

[spare kite]

They should re add the old channel increase hammer for funsies, just buff pan more

[half sigil]

isn't that sudden flurry or whatever it's called

[timber pawn]

Ya its still around

[spare kite]

The pre nerf I mean

When it was like 66% and reduced mp cost

[half sigil]

oh wow

[tribal wedge]

I didn't know artemis was good

[half sigil]

It's pretty good yea

[tribal wedge]

Omega attack has always looked super mid so I never invested in it

[magic moss]

artemis has an incredibly high skill ceiling and top3 aspect if played to a TAS level, but its obsurdly difficult to get good value in actual execution

[tribal wedge]

Is that so?

[half sigil]

it's not just the omega. The omega is just the trigger

[magic moss]

50% crit chance for 9 hits with a free invuln on command on a decently short cd

[spare kite]

Divine protection from h1 but manual

[magic moss]

i probably have the best grasp of general high fear "meta" and idk if i like that lmao

[half sigil]

The data goat

[magic moss]

i have seen more victory screens than most people have clears total

[uneven palm]

Like it’s my basically job to try to think of other things that work but with Pan Poseidon it’s like oh we’re done here

[magic moss]

prob the only thing more set in stone other than pan poseidon is patch 1 pos momus lul

[amber dagger]

That is a giant flex lol

[magic moss]

it really isnt since most of the victory screens i see are from other people

[amber dagger]

Oh lol

You guys think I could get 100 clears in a row

[magic moss]

easily

[balmy sail]

is there a way to increase the chance of getting higher quality boons?

[half sigil]

Arcana cards

[balmy sail]

i've been like 18 hours into the game and i still only get the worst quality boons almost every time

never even had an epic one...i do have the arcana cards enabled, but do they need more upgrading? bc i don't mind getting materials but i feel like grinding the materials takes an unreasonably long time

like the only way to get moondust is to craft it or buy it, and both require a bunch of materials

[half sigil]

It’s up to 20% iirc but like yea they’re rare

[balmy sail]

i feel like i used to get a lot more in hades 1

[half sigil]

By default iirc epic are 5% and blue are 10% I think

[balmy sail]

right, got it

[half sigil]

Could be wrong on this

[balmy sail]

it feels like i'm hitting everything with a wet tissue paper when i reach tartaros 😔

[half sigil]

If you take the arcana maxed out it’s +20% chance to get epic

That’s prob your build cause even with white boon you can do a ton of dmg

[balmy sail]

hmm, seems to be that way then

honestly i have very little idea what i'm doing build wise...i just tend to choose a lot of boons from the same gods

omega attacks take quite a bit of time to charge and your cast feels more defensive than offensive. also i feel like i'm doing something wrong with the weapons because i'm having trouble using them. you need to hold the button to use the regular attack of the lanterns, but not for too long if you want to save magic

[half sigil]

For torches it’s important to have a strong magic regeneration cause you want to spam that bad boy

Cast are defensive but they are a big part of your dmg. Each has their benefit, some better than others but they are super important. If you want more dmg overall, some of the top arcana card are huntress (doesn’t apply to every weapon, it only boosts regular attack and specials), fury I think? The one that increase dmg in a cast, and origination is the big one.

Origination is the reason you usually want to mix gods. Sticking to one god tends to be less impactful. There are also some very strong duo boons

@balmy sail

[balmy sail]

thank you, i'll give those a try!

and invest in them first

[empty trellis]

twisting crash vs colossus driver on aspect of persephone?

[silent crow]

twisting crash

[split igloo]

man denial w hubris takes a little getting used to for me. taking hecuba makes me feel more comfortable putting off gain boons til later, and had a couple runs that i've locked myself out and am screwed later on with no gain without even thinking about it

[twilit timber]

Take toula if you've unlocked her and equip fishing rod, always take bone gates whenever you get them, and spend a ton of coin at charon's shops to get those vip cards

Shouldn't take too long to get the moondust between them

I would also say take the weapon with thirst every night if you're comfortable with it. It's not as big as thirst from H1 with the flat 20% increase, but it's still a solid 70-90 bones per run extra

[fickle glade]

Well you can take 241 damage in a room full of Auto-Watcher because there are no obstacles for you to hide. Way more damage than Prometheus himself. What kind of hideous wicked is that?

And those b@st@rd spamming their ratatatata more than usual from half of the map

[half sigil]

I have never seen a room with nowhere to hide

And I’ve done hundreds and hundreds of resets on surface

[gaunt jetty]

does anyone know if hard target effects promethius?

[fickle glade]

Usually it's a large room with crater in it, no where to hide, the corner is just an alley. You can't hide since those auto are spreading every where

[silent crow]

his projectiles yes

[karmic gust]

just did a 32f underworld run with coat scorch + freezer burn

pretty fun

exhaust riser goes hard

[half sigil]

Coat freezer burn is pretty good yea

[uneven palm]

Nuking Prometheus for like 8k with Freezer Burn was a good day

[karmic gust]

i was gonna try that for m first 32 fear surface run but i cant do ephyrea sub 5-min lol (died to timer 😩 ) so i gave up and went underworld

[magic moss]

sheet has been updated

[twilit timber]

What builds is scorch good?

I have mostly ignored scorch so far and am tired of the same ol' Aphro/Poseidon main boons

[frigid lance]

if you're tired of aphrodite and poiseidon you should play hera instead so you can get sick of that as well

[idle lodge]

Is soot print good? In which cases?

[frigid lance]

soot sprint works very well against eris and against a lot of the olympus enemies. It defenitely shines more on the surface than the underworld

[idle lodge]

Alright cool thanks. I saw you mentioned poseidon builds and I haven’t explored that much. Any tips/guides on that?

[frigid lance]

not sure to what message of mine you are referring but if you're interested in playing around with poseidon he tends to work best on weapons with fast, low damage attacks like pan daggers and mel and nyx coats. i would recommend playing pan with poseidon if you haven't yet, it is a lot of fun.

[idle lodge]

Thanks !

[willow phoenix]

Dagger attacks and coat attacks can use scorch well. Generally scorch builds either go for a lot of pyro technique or just freezer burn duo with demeter.

[bleak night]

I find it funny how the Sirens fight is just the hardest at 55

[frigid lance]

hardest as in hardest thing in the run or hardest as in hardest boss fight?

[bleak night]

Hardest in general, at 55 I have no HP unless I somehow play it well or divert to actually getting centaur hearts

That entire fight is basically a minefield, and I died to it about 10x before on older attempts

[waxen garden]

Do pan blades benefit from the omega combo arcana card? I don't usually use the omega cast on that aspect

[stable lichen]

wait people use omega cast with pan?

[waxen garden]

I don't, but wondering if other people do

[half sigil]

No I don’t think they do

Too slow

[bleak night]

just go White Antler imo

[waxen garden]

how useful is white antler with e.g. wave flourish though, it doesn't seem like it would do as much damage as I want it to

too much downside

[bleak night]

doesn't each one crit ?

[pseudo sequoia]

i don't think white antler is too bad an option? iirc it's a global crit rate so there shouldn't be any downside with poseidon special

okay well obviously there's a downside of 30 max hp but that's neither here nor there lol

[stable lichen]

why’d they give it a one zone per run limitation

that’s honestly so random

[pseudo sequoia]

probably to decentivise players from using it the entire run and encourage keepsake switching

[stable lichen]

also does anyone find it weird they’re reusing eurydice acorn effect for all invulnerability shields

like i get it for the lovers because ofc you’re gonna get eurydices voice every time you’re gonna get hit when using her card

but why for nitro boost

[waxen garden]

yeah I find that weird too, it's a fun reference to the last game but without context I think it would be bizarre

[silent crow]

i think its a placeholder for later

[half sigil]

It’s probably a placeholder considering snow queen has its own

[silent crow]

snow queen doesn't have the sound

snow queen doesnt have any sound actually which is weirder but eh

[stable lichen]

i just want orphy and eurydice back

when orphy was an argonaut in myth he managed to rescue everyone from the sirens by playing his lyre and singing and beating the sirens at their own game

please let EM sirens be a sing-off between them and orphy/eurydice

[stuck ether]

Bc they like speedrunners sometimes

[stable lichen]

wouldn’t it benefit everyone if it had no limit and you could just equip and unequip it anytime

[spare kite]

It was kinda disgusting before lol

[wise idol]

not really because then its just the objectively best damage keepsake

when it didnt have the limit it was used in ocean to tart every time in a speedrunning context

[stable lichen]

what did it do before i only started this update

[spare kite]

You needed to be under 30 hp but it didn't cap your hp/no zone limit before

[wise idol]

it also had 10% more crit chance

[spare kite]

This also made people create save files that never buy the centaur arcana

[wise idol]

yeah it was very flawed, I really like the new version

[stable lichen]

i wish it was a percentage reduction like guan yu instead of a hard cap ngl

[wise idol]

nah thatd make it way too strong

[stable lichen]

couldn’t you just unequip it instead of not buying it

[spare kite]

No

[wise idol]

30% crit is an insane bonus from a keepsake

[stable lichen]

oh wait niche stuff like circe?

[wise idol]

centaur is an awakening card

it auto activates under certain conditions

[spare kite]

Not activating it means you had to forget an entire set of arcanas (the 1 costs/2 costs/whatever)

[stable lichen]

oh yeahhhh

[twilit timber]

Got it, saw someone had a freezer burn duo guide on YouTube might check that out the

[nova cairn]

Is aspect of Momus the best one for the staff rn? it feels like it's by far the best one

also what are good staff builds, i'm doing 32 fear all weapons on surface run and i've just got it and the black coat left

[stuck ether]

Momus and mel are pretty equal but momus is superior if you get decent channel speed

[nova cairn]

Yeha, I can see how basically instant omega moves are pretty good, is it still a special spam machine (but with omega) or should I be building for attack instead

obviously for momus I imagine I wanna be using all 3 omega moves

but I'm struggling with the staff for sure for surface 32

[stuck ether]

You can build either
Mirrored thrasherfirst = build attack
Dual moonshot first = build spec

[nova cairn]

and that's on Mel specifically yeah?

[half sigil]

As long as you get a good core build you should be good even without using the aspect much imo. Hera on attack is always a good bet, and for cast anything like Zeus, demeter are also always good. Try to get origination

[stuck ether]

Its on both

[nova cairn]

mhmm, gotcha

[half sigil]

And yea if you get mirror thrasher it’s over, just make sure to have a good magic regen

[nova cairn]

might be a skill issue, I find I take quite a bit of damage with this weapon compared to others lmfao

[half sigil]

Interesting, it has decent range

[nova cairn]

Probably over reliance on omega moves

[half sigil]

Maybe

[nova cairn]

gonna give mel aspect a go and hope for mirroed thrasher since that seems good

[brave lynx]

both of the trashers are great but mirrored is stonks

[stuck ether]

I prefer mirrored + wicked more than any other hammer combos

[waxen garden]

how do people like to play Circe aspect?

[stable lichen]

by choosing momus or mel instead

idk it just feels so underpowered to me

[stuck ether]

Ive nevwr heard anybody express joy for circe

[waxen garden]

fair, I'm trying to give all of the aspects a try

otherwise i'd keep alternating between pan blades and charon axe

seems like the inbuilt Serenity would allow you to skip a magic regen boon

[half sigil]

Best use for Circe I found was just use the magic regen to fund mirror thrasher lmao

But then again just use another aspect and get a regen

[stable lichen]

or just use dog

[half sigil]

Yea

But at later stages dog isn’t cutting it

[stable lichen]

dog and something ig

[stable lichen]

i mean if you wanna try a staff momus is always a nice one

i love putting down 3 snake turrets and then running away

[waxen garden]

I do enjoy a good Momus run

[stable lichen]

i love the snake turret whistle sound

also i’m just an absolute sucker for snakes (as you may be able to tell from my pfp)

[tall notch]

Does the Athena boon that gives you deflects when you cast have a CD? I've been finding it very inconsistent on Charon

[cursive oyster]

yeah it does

[tall notch]

😦

[timber pawn]

It's 2s I believe

[wise idol]

if it didnt geyser spout would make you immortal

[timber pawn]

I wish geyser worked with charon

Imo it really should

[wise idol]

doesnt it?

[hollow briar]

Having either of the doubling Hammers is incredibly good for it

Charges Serenity twice as quickly and you get twice as much use out of it while it is up

And you can indeed completely skip getting a Gain Boon if you play around Serenity well enough

[timber pawn]

I could be parroting bad info, I haven't verified personally, but was under the impression it didn't work

[wise idol]

wdym by doesnt work because it def creates the water blast effect, havent checked myself if it adds the damage so if thats what you mean you may be correct

[timber pawn]

Ya I guess I meant the damage, I'd heard it didn't improve charon in any meaningful way

[hollow briar]

I can only imagine that if it’s doing the visual effect, then it’s doing the rest of the Boon’s stuff as well unless something’s seriously broken with it lol

[silent crow]

geyser spout seems obscenely broken now tbh

base ocast is 300 with night right? and geyser just adds to it

[wise idol]

yeah it prob still aint great because its only like +50 damage and it adds knockback which can be detrimental but im pretty sure it works

[hollow briar]

Well it’s not exactly like Charon needs more damage out of anything lmao

[timber pawn]

It kinda does in anyfear

It starts to fall off at cerberus if you don't have giga atm

[hollow briar]

Idk, it absolutely chunked through my 50F attempts

[timber pawn]

There's not really many things that can scale it's damage

[wise idol]

I wouldnt call it "obscenely" op by any means but it def adds to its strength

[timber pawn]

Ya, apples and oranges a bit here

[hollow briar]

I’m pretty sure the most important thing is getting Origination running cuz my (common?) Dem Cast had 200k damage on it by the end

Granted, I’m not exactly one that plays much Axe if I can help it, but I’m just saying that Charon already has insane DPH lol

Getting those two Statuses up is almost assuredly gonna be your best bet for bumping it up even higher

[wise idol]

yeah charon is basically orig, strength, shameless attitude, night, and special hammers/other special bonuses from my understanding

idk how important heartthrobs are anymore?

[timber pawn]

Ya I mean again, damage for fast and damage for 50f are kinda two different things. Compared to some other top tier weapons, without the hammer it falls off a bit at the tail end of a run.

Throbs aren't really relevant as they're much weaker and capped at 6 spawned at a time

[hollow briar]

The single thing that prevents it from being a complete monster is the Magick requisite, I feel

[hollow briar]

Big nerfs, unfortunately. It is what it is lol

[wise idol]

theyre capped?!?!? when did that happen?

[timber pawn]

Didn't know until someone posted about it recently lol, so... With the last patch or two?

[wise idol]

ill need to test this because I didnt notice that at all when I used heartthrobs last

[hollow briar]

Yeh, wouldn’t really know LOL. Speedruns are well outta my wheelhouse and I’ve only done the one 50F with it, so

[timber pawn]

Right and that's part of what's great about the game. Very different but equally challenging and satisfying play options. Just providing an alternative view of Charons current state

[timber pawn]

The most effective throb build I've found is like, Bloodline moros now

You just stand on the boss and generate a million throbs and blood line bolts

[hollow briar]

Eos should copy your Hearthrobs because they’re basically tiny, orbiting specials and yeah

[wise idol]

lol

[timber pawn]

I support it

Eos is another example of a solid high fear weapon but absolutely ass speed weapon lol.

Charon can still go really fast with a good build

Eos does not

[tall notch]

Also let it get the bonuses from close range Aphro boons when the Daybreaker is nearby, as opposed to Mel being nearby

[hollow briar]

Let it copy Casts honestly. Who gives a damn

[wise idol]

let daybreakers copy daybreakers

infinite daybreakers

[tall notch]

Honestly let me just send out a daybreaker, stand in the opposite corner of the map and go afk while it does the clearing for me

Make it play perfectly 50f by teaching an AI how to play based on the vods in Mini's sheet

[timber pawn]

My other gripe is daybreak needs to stay inbounds

[tall notch]

Nah, it's just clearing the next room for you whenver it goes out of bounds. It's a clever strat

[timber pawn]

Did you see my eos speedrun from like a month ago

[tall notch]

I don't think I did, I haven't really been keeping track of speeds

[timber pawn]

I pinged you in mynts server and everything 😭 (Jk it's fine)

I think the fastest eos can get is with romantic spark, at which point you're kind of ignoring the daybreaker

[tall notch]

weapon agnostic boon stacking is at it again

[timber pawn]

Truly

[gray garnet]

Anyone got any good moros flames builds? I’m trying to beat 24 fear chronos with them and I can’t seem to get it

[frigid lance]

Hera attack, Zeus special, Demeter cast, hera gain is probably ideal

[gray garnet]

Ok thanks

[gray garnet]

#h2-victory-boasting message omg thank you it helped a lot 🙏

[frigid lance]

nice!

[gray garnet]

Thanks!

[empty spindle]

so i just had a kind of fun build where i put my focus on allies. i used aspect of eos and had selene's raise-the-dead hex. aside from buffing those up as much as possible, adding in charm, and using circe's boon where she boosts your familiar's powers, anyone have any other thoughts on how to add elements to a buddy build like that?

[timber pawn]

There's also a duo boon called sun worshipper that is Apollo and aphro I think

Creates a summon of the first thing you kill in an encounter

[empty spindle]

thanks! that works too. (it's hera btw)

[waxen nest]

When you get an attack perk does it apply to your dash attack as well? (Ie. hestia scorch attack boost)

[uneven palm]

Yes, dash-strikes get bonuses from attack boons

[magic moss]

Changed how the 51+ fear clears section is tracked

[gray garnet]

Now I’m trying to clear with Mel black coat on 24 fear, anyone got any good builds? Just tried hestia special and dem cast for freezer burn but it didn’t work out

[frail hare]

Zeus on Attack, Aphrodite on Dash, Romantic Spark Duo Boon for a quasi-Merciful End. Pick up the Chain Lightning boon(s) and Hephaestus as support for beefed up chain lightning duo. Spam attacks and dash. Hestia could work as a fourth god for her cast to get another Zeus duo and have Blitz start applying Scorch, but that’s just gravy. Any third/fourth god could probably work, Romantic Spark is the important bit.

[gray garnet]

Ok thank you!

[half sigil]

If you’re gonna freezer burn put hestia on the attack. You czn also do Poseidon attack and either artic ring or engagement ring. I usually just play Hera attack and dem cast personally. Zeus on special is almost always best choice

[tall notch]

Hera attack and Zeus/Poseidon special, whichever of the two shows up first

[past salmon]

#h2-feedback message
@last void this feedback is kinda funny considering that Spiral Knives is by far the optimal hammer to get on Pan and spiral knives pan is one of the strongest builds requiring little setup in the game

It's currently the Meta for speedrunning for a reason

Trust me, spiral knives is not in any way underwhelming on the funny aspect of pan

[last void]

"Spiral Knives is by far the optimal hammer to get on Pan" - I fully agree with that. my point was that it's too much of a buff to non-Pan knives.

and with my suggested change, the only diff would be 20 knives vs 21 currently for Lvl 5 Pan (which is not really a difference). And 10 knives vs 16 currently for non-Pan knives, to differentiate non-Pans better

[past salmon]

Oh one part of it is worded weirdly

But also non pan knives don't really need to be nerfed 💀

[last void]

will edit if you can't tell me which part. I realise the text is a bit long but I wanted to be clear.

I've also mentioned "A lvl5 Pan would go from 5+5 knives to 20 knives (vs 21 currently)"

[last void]

But also non pan knives don't really need to be nerfed - yeah, good point. I'm just thinking about differentiating. and "Spiral" itslef being not that useful vs conical for non-Pans

[past salmon]

Yeah
I mean that's fine but reading it properly now, I still don't agree with it. Your suggestion very barely nerfs pan, and nerfs the 2 aspects that are way worse than Pan a fair bit.

Just a bit odd

Like differentiation is fine but not when doing so happens to be a poor balancing decision

[last void]

for non-Pans, would you prefer 10 knives Omega-specials targeted at a few heavies in front of you or 16 all around you where only half would really hit enemies in front of you?
imho, in most common situations, the 10 angled in front is higher actual damage dealt

if you're the same 'Foolish' on YT, I think I may have seen one of your Madea runs; so clearly you know the game better and can play it better as well.

I just don't see how 16 rando-knives is better than 10 somewhat-targeted knives. on non-Pans, I either avoid it or take it for the giggles & visuals

[past salmon]

Id like the 16 so I can sit in the enemies ass and kill them instantly
Idk it's pretty good. I got the Artemis Anyfear WR with spiral knives today

[last void]

there is a way for you to test my Spiral-rework suggestion on non-Pan's. you'll need to modify some game code but I think you'd know how to do that 😉

if you stream it, put a disclaimer that it's just a demo and don't show how you changed it. (in case that triggers a ban or takedown.)

[past salmon]

Sounds like an awful lot of work I don't want to do

[last void]

or 5 lines of code and don't stream it 🤐

[idle lodge]

Am I right to never use Geyser Sprout with The Furies arcana? omega cast erupting instantly makes it so you cant get the 30% dmg bonus on enemies in cast right?

”Geyser Spout Water Your Ω Cast immediately detonates, dealing damage and knocking foes away” in what builds is this good?

[low bear]

it's pretty good for Persephone, Charon, and maybe a Mel Staff omega spam build or a Momus build

but yeah otherwise you're not really using your omega cast much

[tall notch]

You have the 30% while channeling your omega cast, which can be relevant sometimes

[wise idol]

Wait does furies not effect the blast damage? I’m pretty sure it does

[idle lodge]

Ok then it makes more sense to use it

[stuck ether]

If youre using omega cast as a main damage you prob dont need furies

[cursive oyster]

what are you saying

furies boosts omega casting

unsure about geyser spout actually but

[dry mirage]

what's a good axe build? im trying to do testaments with it but i just suck with the axe 😭

[cursive oyster]

which aspect?

[stable lichen]

if you dont like the axe attack and stuff charon essentially turns it into a completely different weapon

than is also very good if you suck with the axe because it's too slow

[dry mirage]

ive been trying with charon but havent done well

[stable lichen]

theres an insanely comprehensive axe guide made by some people on this server you might be able to find

[dry mirage]

alright ill look ty

[spare kite]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/s/h7RVxZsQbz

[dry mirage]

thansk a lot

[stable lichen]

i wish the path of stars for sky fall would remain constant since you're guaranteed to start with that

[half sigil]

Yea… I do too but it is what it is

[stable lichen]

i love starting a run and not seeing prism

[half sigil]

When I did Selene surface 50f I started with Athena and took path in Thessaly

So I had to pray I get prism

[mortal vapor]

I actually prefer cascade over prism I am weird ig

[half sigil]

You really are

[mortal vapor]

maybe I am wrong though

I want to try prism again

but I like cascade + ferocity it starts you off real strong in erebus/ephyra

[half sigil]

It’s not horrible I just prefer prism crowd control

Especially with the attack boon upgrade

[stable lichen]

prism with ferocity + hera attack is just on another level

putting hitch on a billion enemies is just so great

[half sigil]

Also does a very decent amount of dmg. Both single target and crowds

[stable lichen]

also is it just me or does marked no longer count towards privileged status

[silent crow]

it doesnt

[stable lichen]

damn

it used to back in H1

[wise idol]

if it says curse in the description you may want to f10 that

[rain cipher]

Just put Flurry (long range, shoot in a single line) on knives with Zeus special (Epic), with Hera cast and a bunch of chain lightning and blitz. And then the other hammer to make omega specials really fast.

Felt very on-brand for Zeus. Death lightning bolts from afar. Ripped through Hades Region 3 boss.

[rain cipher]

Charon Axe is, so far, easily my favorite weapon.

Axe has a ton of different ways you can mix attacks/dash-attacks/specials to reach your slam attack, and you can actually squeeze casts in (very narrow windows) without breaking the combo.

[last cape]

Is there a viable build for aspect of nyx? I feel like it's one of the worst aspects in the game

Not quite Circe but pretty close

[brave lynx]

could check this out: https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1gby4ht/a_guide_on_xinth_the_black_coat/

since i was looking for something on the coats earlier

[half sigil]

It’s quite decent, Hera attack, a strong cast, Zeus spec and you good

It’s a good ad clear aspect, it’s a little worst bossing but still fine

[last cape]

Does that do anything or is it a worse Mel aspect

[rain cipher]

Also it sucks for certain bosses, but Mel knives focused on omega attack assasinations with Hitch cast/thrown feels awesome to play as, especially with timeslow (and even more so with Artemis boons)

[half sigil]

It’s worst than Mel for bossing better at ad clearing

[last cape]

The shadow spawned extra attacks feel so worthless since they don't get boons

[half sigil]

It increase range that’s it. Extra rocket is nice for clearing

[rain cipher]

One day I will understand how to play skulls

[last cape]

And I'm not a big fan of running directly into enemies without stopping lol, sounds like a good way to get hit

[last cape]

Skulls are my favorite weapon what do you wanna know?

[half sigil]

It staggers ennemies without armor, you gotta learn to play around it for sure

[rain cipher]

How do I skull?

[half sigil]

It’s a weird aspect and for sure need some tweaking but I like it a lot

[rain cipher]

It feels a little less polished than others.

Like, Axe just feels right to control for me, combos and movement and such.

[half sigil]

Rockets need to maintain boon imo but otherwise it’s mostly fine

[last cape]

Well ofc that depends on the skull lol. Not talking about Persephone since it plays different, for the skull you mostly wanna play in the mid to close range

[rain cipher]

I'm gonna start with Mel before doing any aspected skull-duggery.

Though I'm about to unlock Charon, and I enjoy both Mel and Thanatos axe so that might come first haha (depends on gravethirst)

[last cape]

Ok so for Mel skull you mostly want to stand in the mid to close range so that your skulls don't have a travel time and you can dash in to pick them up easily

[rain cipher]

I only started playing after the recent update, I hear the axe used to be able to block.
-# In other words it was literally Monster Hunter greatsword...

[last cape]

The regular special acts essentially as a pseudo extra dash rather than something you want to hit enemies with

The omega attack is for longer ranges or extra AoE, omega special for i frames

[rain cipher]

The apsect where you attach skulls to yourself just seems like Beowulf 2 Electric Boogaloo but I havent played it yet

[last cape]

At point blank you can just spam and immediately pick your skulls back up but that's not always safe

[brave lynx]

rockets need their tracking fixed honestly.

[last cape]

When it is tho Mel skull is a dps monster

[rain cipher]

Last skull I did I was mostly just focusing on dropping orbital bombs from a distance just to see how it would play out

It didn't play out so well, but it was amusing

So I couldn't tell when the omega special has iframes.

[last cape]

What I like about the skull is you have a ton of build routes. That can be viable with the right set up, and the rocket hammer is especially good for it

[rain cipher]

I tried using it on Hecate rings to test and got hit.

It seems to only be part of it?

[last cape]

If you're mid dash you should be invincible. Might have released it too late?

[rain cipher]

I'll have to play with it I guess.

Just noticed, the range you pick up skulls is precisely cast radius.

Any recommended Gods for plain skulls?

I feel like I am starting to enjoy the skull (Apollo/Poseidon with very lucky epics for statuses)

Absolutelty melted Hecate.

[willow phoenix]

Any % damage attack boons are good. The skull already has big damage, so bigger numbers are always good.

Then you can go for standard utility gods like heph and demeter. You can choose gods based on their duo with your main attack boon. For example, Heph+Hera can be really nice for some brave face build.

[rain cipher]

Ayy, first proper skull run and I beat Boss 3 2nd time.

Apollo/Poseidon w/ Gust/Freeze cast and Aphro gain (which it had been apollo...)

The hammer that adds omega specials on retrieval was a mistake. Too slow gain... it chews through it. Hestia would have been better maybe?

[balmy sail]

this might be an odd question, but has anyone who's also autistic have trouble with the final phase of Chronos? Once he summons reinforcements (even when they're halved), they're doing the attacks with the little time domes, while he's also doing several attacks of his own that requires you to move to a certain spot (that isn't the clock one), there's like a ton of lines in the circle from all the different upcoming attacks and my brain just....short circuits. It's like I can no longer properly act because there's so much at the same time I have to look at and process. Just curious if it's me or if anyone else is having trouble with this, otherwise I think I might suggest it in feedback for accessibility reasons

[half sigil]

Not autistic so I can’t speak on that aspect specifically, but that phase can definitely be overwhelming the first few times, so I doubt it’s just you

[balmy sail]

Yeah, the reason I'm mentioning it is because a ton of autistic people do tend to have issues w/ processing too many things at the same time to the point where your brain just bluescreens like a computer lmao.

[spare kite]

Deep dissent is still my most taken dad boon for that

[half sigil]

I can definitely understand why you’d have an issue with this part then cause it’s definitely a lot on screen

[spare kite]

I can deal with full adds chronos but god I don't want to

[balmy sail]

Yeah, i also got dad's Deep dissent boon

does it work in the second phase by the way? Or just on the satyrs in phase 1

[half sigil]

The best advice I can give is get a strong build. He doesn’t have much health in phase 2 so you can mostly ignore it and kill it quick

[half sigil]

Both phase

[balmy sail]

i was already going nuts with deep dissent ON, god i can't imagine not having it in that part

but good point, i'll just try to get more HP for the next run. damage wise i wasn't doing too bad, i just got unlucky because the game bugged out and killed me with 1 defiance left 😔

[spare kite]

12 tempus and grandpa is def an experience

[balmy sail]

what's 12 tempus?

[spare kite]

Tempus are the hourglass enemies

W/o deep dissent he summons 12 of them

[tall notch]

I'm not autistic (as far as i know) and that phase can get overwhelming. It's just a difficult part of the boss fight. If you're not able to learn that phase eventually or play builds powerful enough to cheese it, I think god mode might be the accessibility option you're looking for

[balmy sail]

[balmy sail]

Ah I have God Mode turned on because of that already! I needed it initially for the first Hades as well, but after a ton of hours it did get easier and I was able to turn it off.

So I'll keep playing and see if it gets easier overtime.

Thank you all for the kind responses instead of the regular git guds I usually get lmao

[rain cipher]

It's amusing to me that the trick to ||Eris|| is to proverbially bring a knife to a gunfight.

Oh interesting. With the big chop only hammer at least, there's still both dash->attack up swing and attack->dash jab.

Also the Poseidon strike wave is absolutely massive

[amber dagger]

I’m not autistic but I have something very similar to autism called nvld which stands for non verbal learning disorder and don’t think that fight is that chaotic imo but then again most of my uw are pretty overpowered so idk

[split igloo]

trying to figure out aspect of selene for first time. In general, do people lean on attack, special, or both 50/50 generally? I've tried playing with death and without, and not sure

[half sigil]

Both

Swap from one to the other.
You can play it like a worse mel if you want but I think it kinda defeats the purpose. I just alternate between omega attack and spec

[past salmon]

a man after mine own heart
Not utilizing the aspect is cringe frfr

[low bear]

get Hera for Bloodline and Hestia/Dem for Controlled Burn/Weed Killer

it lets you get your hex up so much faster

[split igloo]

ah nice didn't think of that im an idiot lol

[half sigil]

If you’re not gonna use the aspect just go mel idk there’s no point imo lol

[rain hazel]

There any "metas" for arcana atm?

[amber dagger]

Strength

[rain hazel]

This is what im running currently: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1267168906389487729/1310442323926192201/image.png?ex=67453c04&is=6743ea84&hm=d42f02eaeba72649bd245f133722f09feefd579a53fc189ef6f7899219ad5e29&

(not sure why but image uploads are off)

[amber dagger]

I like strength and the boat man

[half sigil]

You’re not running any of the reroll cards? Those are important

[rain hazel]

Yeah I was looking at that

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1267168906389487729/1310444615282982922/image.png?ex=67453e27&is=6743eca7&hm=f3e2b56302a5e3556193c3b309e3efe319cefa414296dac8302769b07038f67f&

[amber dagger]

I’d swap dds for strength but that’s just me

[rain hazel]

Yeah, I dont think I wanna give up my DD

[amber dagger]

The damage is worth it trust me and the damage reduction makes up for it

[half sigil]

Either, it’s fine either ways

Unseen kinda useless imo

[rain hazel]

Ive had some games I dont get a mana boon until the 2nd area and further.
Theres no other natural mana regen outside that is there?

[half sigil]

Hecuba for magic aspect is usually enough for the early game

[rain hazel]

TiL about Hecuba

Oh, theres another 1 also

[half sigil]

Another one?

[rain hazel]

Raki

[half sigil]

Ah yea for crit

[magic moss]

what fear are you playing at ousel?

[rain hazel]

16~

[magic moss]

yeah then this arcana loadout is fine if it fits your playstyle

[rain hazel]

But what about for later? >_>

[hollow briar]

Unseen rapidly shoots down in value especially considering a lack of Artificer

But yeh, if you like it, you like it

[magic moss]

then theres a lot of sacrifices you have to make in terms of arcana and having to adjust to a different playstyle

[past salmon]

Unseen is just generally kinda bad
If the weapon isnt uber reliant on magick you just dont need a regen until like Fields
If its uber reliant on magick you just... start with the best gain

[rain hazel]

hm...maybe that means im using omega's too much then. 🤔

Got Artificer and Huntress instead of Unseen. gonna see how it goes

[low bear]

If Unseen was 2/3 arcana then maybe it'd be good

I'd rather have 3 mp/sec at 2/3 grasp rather than 6 mp/sec at 5 grasp

[rain hazel]

So no more block on axe?

[low bear]

nope it's gone

[rain cipher]

I never knew it... but I like axe as is.

[rain cipher]

Unseen is "we have chaos gain boon at home"

[rain hazel]

I mean, I never used it, so im not complaining.

[rain cipher]

What do people usually use for their default keepsake progressions?

chaos → narcissus has been nice

[rain hazel]

Pig, Purse, situational, chaos

[rain cipher]

Chaos that late?

You can lock in whatever you like.

[rain hazel]

Oh, I didnt realize that, I thought you had to have the keepsake...

[rain cipher]

It'll flip once then you hit a fountain and switch to Narcissus to upgrade a common boon

Sometimes I just use the chaos buff if it's good early to cruise only having taken an attack or special I really want and some misc stuff so I get those gods again

[rain hazel]

I go pig for the possible judgement 🤣

[rain cipher]

and if the second chaos buff is really good/mid it can be really fun

When upgraded it's an epic boon

So it can be just "16 gain per second" or whatever

Or many other really good effects

[rain hazel]

Hell, I dont think I even got a chaos encount my last run

[half sigil]

I start with either a god keepsake or Athena, in Oceanus either Athena if I didn’t do in first, a god keepsake if I’m missing an important one, or an offensive keepsake like droplet or hammer. Antler in fields (or droplet) and leaf in Tartarus

[twilit timber]

God -> god/narcissus - > hammer/knucklebones/fleece/whatever I feel like -> fig/Athena/tooth

[magic moss]

sheet has been updated
one more thing, thank you to everyone who has been recording their runs, it really does add a lot to the sheet to have so many vods available

i have, for this patch alone, about 160 vods across all aspects which is insane. Thank you so much everyone

in total across all patches, i have ~360 vods across all aspects as well, an insane number.

congrats to everyone that has and will clear 50 fear! I'm rooting for you all

[rain cipher]

first chronos wish me luck

aspect of pan, zeus w/ demeter cast, apollo gain and some other stuff

been melting through stuff so far...

Arrived with 100% HP/MP and a defiance
-# I am ready to get wrecked

Beat first phase then ate dust \o/

[low bear]

thanks for the hard work on the sheet, been a great resource for learning what other high fear players do and also motivation for doing high fear clears in the first place lol

[balmy sail]

How do you unlock the bottom row of Arcana cards?

also, what aspects of each weapon is best? Just to see where to allocate my resources

[past salmon]

there is some debate about it but imo:
Staff - Momus
Blades - Pan
Torches - Moros
Axe - honestly any of them Thanatos tho ig
Skull - Medea
Coat - uhh probably Mel? Selene is my personal fav

This is based off of strength, I would suggest trying out all the aspects before maxing any 1 for a weapon tho, fun is more important and everyones taste is different

[tall notch]

How are melee blades vs fangs? I haven't tried playing them in patch 5/6, but in patch 4 Mel blades were honestly pretty strong

[past salmon]

eh they are fine
I did Artemis 55F today

melee blades can just die sometimes but that is just how it goes

[tall notch]

Ohhh, well done!!

How big would you say the gap between 52f and 55f is, btw? I'm tempted to try 55 Moros but idk if that's not too big of a jump lol

[past salmon]

idk lol
53F felt pretty much the same difficulty as 50F to me

its a noticeable jump I suppose

[tall notch]

Moros probably can't play stubborn defiance, can it? You'd have mana issues

[past salmon]

I'm also uncertain on how good Moros is at 55F
I'll likely try it soon tho, since its only torches and staff without a clear

[past salmon]

Mental block is fine, Posh used it for his Medea and I used it in my Artemis today

I imagine DDash is particularly good on Moros tho
Since you can dash while attacking

[tall notch]

Divine dash should also be fine ig, I like it a lot on torches

[past salmon]

although maybe mental block lets you setup O-Special for free?
I'll try it at some point soonish

[tall notch]

Gl!

[magic moss]

ill run some staff 55s over thanksgiving break when i have some time

but like oml i have so much work i still have to do

[past salmon]

tbh I imagine Mel Torches r pretty great for 55F these days with Hec
since its so safe and does decent enough damage now

[tall notch]

I should probably do 53 before 55. Even just losing artificer in Erebus might make timer challenging again since I'm not a speedrunner

[tall notch]

As in, pretending it's patch 1 Eos or actually doing special things with them?

[past salmon]

holding attack lmao

[tall notch]

Hmm i haven't tried it with the dawg yet

[past salmon]

I said they r safe using specials is the opposite of safe 😭

[tall notch]

Pink aura 55f when

[low bear]

rip Heart throb

and imo 50F is a lot easier than 53F just because you can manipulate RNG more and you get more boons early. But 52F vs. 53F shouldn't be a big difference so go ahead and try it

53 to 55 is a big jump imo because no strength, no titan, no judgement means you have to be a lot more locked in

[past salmon]

just tested this
They are great all the way up until Hecate
Their Boss damage is not the greatest but I imagine just hitting lethal snare/a good zeus boon or smth in Erebus fixes this

[tall notch]

52-53f is a more front-loaded challenge. Erebus becomes harder but unless your rng was atrocious, i think you may get more powerful than a regular 50f in these later regions. Once you got all the arcana

[low bear]

Yeah you can get more arcana via judgement but it's debatable whether you are actually more powerful. There really aren't a lot of other arcana you want to hit anyway. Like the only crucial one I'm leaving out most of the time at 30 grasp is Origination in favor of lovers/huntress/boatman

At 53 you might simply not get high value cards like Lovers and even get counter synergy like Unseen and Huntress

Not to mention rerolls are (mostly) duds post Cerberus

[tall notch]

Btw, do people play huntress these days? In my 50f setups, I've lately been dropping huntress + furies + a 1-cost so that I can have both origination and boatman

Huntress doesn't feel as strong without panic

You'd have to actually omega to get value out of it, and when you omega you usually want to click a regen... which will then prevent you from getting huntress value

[lusty heron]

i have no experience with 50f setups
but logically hecuba may be enough ?
or you take like pos or zeus regen that you can delay

[low bear]

Huntress depends on the weapon ofc but Furies just feels like free damage

and it's easy to just drop an omega cast in between waves to spend the mana

if I were really going for an aggro damage build, I'd drop Lovers for Orig

[low bear]

you just drop an omega once per encounter and it's usually easy to do that for most weapons, no need to click a regen

[pseudo sequoia]

im nowhere near an expert but i do find it useful to drop an omega cast if there's ever some downtime since if you time it right it's free damage anyway

[low bear]

yeah I often do that especially in Erebus before I get a cast boon

[past salmon]

I'd rather drop lovers for orig than furies
Dropping furies is dropping 30% + 2 other cards for 50% with harder conditions and feels.... not worth it

[tall notch]

Is it really harder? With reasonable rng, most builds can get orig procced by midboss

[steady crater]

hello everyone
how does scorch work ? I just got the duo boon from aphrodite yesterday and learned a new info about it, but it’s still really unclear (what does 80 damage accrued from this mean, what does happen every 1sec, for how long if you don’t have the duo boon...)

[frigid lance]

while an enemy has scorch stacked on them they will have an orange number on them. This number represents how much scorch they have. the scorch will deal damage at a rate of 80 per second. any damage dealt to the enemy with scorch will also tick down the orange number by the same amount. when the number reaches zero the enemy is no longer affected by scorch. therefore, if an enemy has 400 scorch, after 5 seconds have passed, the enemy will have taken 400 damage and they will have no more scorch applied to them. when you have the hestia aphrodite duo boon, they will still take the damage, but the orange number will not tick down. this means that when you have this boon, an enemy with 400 scorch is essentially the same as an enemy with 1 scorch.

[lament spoke]

and if you have freezer burn, when you hit them with freeze, they would take all 400 damage at once

[steady crater]

When you say "any damage dealt to the enemy with scorch will also tick down the orange number by the same amount", do you mean any source of damage like my attacks will also decrease scorch ? Or just the damage from the 80/s from scorch ?

And when you have aphrodite duo, doesn't it mean you just have to apply scorch once, and keep them weak, and they have infinite scorch (instead of 1) ?

[frigid lance]

when i say any damage dealt by scorch i just mean the 80 dps from scorch (or more if you have pyro technique).

if you have the aphrodite boon you only need to apply scorch once as long as you can keep weak on them

[steady crater]

What would happen if I have both the aphrodite and demeter duo boons ?

[twilit timber]

Does freezer burn keep applying as freeze keeps applying ? Like scorch punch -> cast freeze -> scorch punch -> cast freeze would do 400 damage twice?

Or does the freeze cooldown apply?

[frigid lance]

the freeze cooldown applies

[spare kite]

Freezer needs the enemy to actually be frozen

[twilit timber]

Sadge

[frigid lance]

the enemy's scorch will not tick down, but when you freeze them they will still lose all their scorch and take the damage that it would have dealt had it been ticking down

[twilit timber]

Also no way to increase scorch ticks like old school hangover right?

[steady crater]

Oh right
Even with aphro, there's still a counter which is used if you stop applying weak

[twilit timber]

Magnitude or frequency either

[spare kite]

Pyro technique increases how fast you burn them
Air quality does work on scorch

[steady crater]

How would it deal 400 ? Does Scorch Punch apply 400 scorch ?

[twilit timber]

I meant assuming it did

Whatever value it applies I mean

[steady crater]

Wait
Air quality is the "each hit deals at least 30 damage" right ? How would that affect scorch which does 80 damage each second ?

[twilit timber]

I tried a surface freezer burn run with Mel coat, seemed a bit ehh tbh

[frigid lance]

scorch does its damage in small ticks over time not individual 80 damage hits

[spare kite]

I don't remember the exact math but basically it makes ^ yeah that

[frigid lance]

its more like 10 damage 8 times per second

[twilit timber]

By scorch punch I just meant scorch strike on Mel coat, forgot what it was called for a sec

[low bear]

Hermes appearing early is sending me

[spare kite]

I need to speak to whoever made c1 hermes a thing

[twilit timber]

Wait so does air quality triple it's damage?

[steady crater]

So it would deal 30 instead
But would the scorch number decrease thrice as fast then ?

[spare kite]

Decreases like normal

[frigid lance]

i dont know the actual numbers on how much scorch does per internal tick

[spare kite]

I don't try it much nowadays cuz base 80dps and pyro technique make it comfy to use

But back when it was 40 dps and pyro was her legendary it was really helpful

And freezer burn didn't exist (well it did "exist" but comically weaker)

[frigid lance]

needs a legendary boon to still be worse than poseidon at base

[spare kite]

Old hestia was rough yeah

Pos has managed to climb back up too

Namely cuz pan doesn't get gutted on high fear now lol
And coat can use him well

I think my fav experience from the hestia buffs was seeing a feedback towards poseidon that was pretty much the same feedback hestia got before

[steady crater]

So the Flame Strike boon (Rare) says:
"Your attacks inflict Scorch. Scorch damage: 40"
And Scorch says:
"Afflicted foes take 80 damage accrued from this every one second."

If i understood correctly, if i strike a single time, it will do the same damage as my strike without the boon, then apply 40 scorch, which will be consumed in half a second to apply 40 damage ?

What does the "accrued from this" mean ?
I mean how is this behaviour clear from the text 🤔

[frigid lance]

you understand correctly

[uneven palm]

Strikes with scorch apply the amount of scorch stated. In your example just above, let’s stick with 40. Each landed attack applies 40 scorch. If you attack the same enemy again, you’ll add another 40, and you can build up a big scorch number if you attack fast enough. That’s the “accrued from this” bit.

Scorch stacks tick down 80 dmg/s. it can tick faster with Pyro Technique. It stops ticking down but still does damage with the Hestia x Aphro duo. Freezer Burn (Demeter x Hestia) immediately clears all accrued scorch with bonus damage when you strike a Scorch’d enemy with Freeze.

The damage actually applied by the countdown gets boosted by global damage boosts (Origination, Furies, etc)

[lament spoke]

I believe scorch is 5 16dmg ticks per second

also I believe freezer burn damage can crit

[steady crater]

Ok…
When i read "80 damage accrued from this every one second" i thought that it meant 40 (the scorch damage indicated by the skill) + 80

Or that the strike now dealt 40 damage (a lot of boons modify weapon damage), and scorch-afflicted enemies would take 80 more damage from each hit or something

Why not say "Afflicted foes take their scorch damage at a rate of 80 damage per second" ?

[split igloo]

can anyone explain in stupid people terms what the technique is to special+attack together on coat (and maybe other weapons, just seen it mentioned on coat)? Should I have autofire on or no, and just the general inputs/idea?

[low bear]

I just mash yhem both lol

I remapped attack anc special to shoulder buttons

[split igloo]

lol ok thouht there might be something more to it than that, might just have to get used to it

[half sigil]

Don’t mash otherwise you’re gonna skip the second punch and lose a lot of dmg

Special attack attack repeat

Get used to the rhythm it gets pretty natural after a while

[split igloo]

ah roger. do you use it with dash strike or just regular attacks?

[half sigil]

Mainly if I dash strike is if I play with vow of ward, cause it’s a good way to remove the barriers from a group of ennemies

But your regular attack/special combo does more sustain dmg

[split igloo]

awesome tyvm

[stable lichen]

is sky fall supposed to apply privileged status

shine is labelled as a curse after all but it doesnt

would probably be very broken if it did though

[cursive oyster]

orig specifies olympian curses

[stable lichen]

ah

[glossy rivet]

does death arcana work for momus copies?

[uneven palm]

It didn’t in previous patches, but I’m not 100% sure now. Death isn’t a bad take regardless even a single omega cast crit is like over 1000 damage

[rain cipher]

Death when you're playing Pan with Sudden Flurry is nutty.

Omega cast, then obliterate with omega special spam.

It's even more fun when you have Hera cast.

[glossy rivet]

do the crits apply to every dagger thrown + boon effects? like pos special

[uneven palm]

Just the daggers, not added on-hit effects

It’s potent but probably not better than just chucking Poseidon on there https://youtu.be/PEhgRLt7JBE?si=hQ_uIuni_nH2kWNM

[timber pawn]

Ya with a strong poseidon on special and spiral knives, pan just annihilates everything pretty much

Crit is overkill

[rain cipher]

That's Aphrodite though.

[rain cipher]

Mel knives with the straight line repeat omega special and Zeus boons is also fun. Feels like you're saying "screw you in particular" and smiting them with a long distance bolt.

Even if they're an armored elite

[timber pawn]

I actually had a pretty fast run with that hammer using aphrodite on special

Obviously didn't work super well at a distance, but it definitely killed stuff pretty well

[hot snow]

I have been trying to trigger the appearance of seismic hammer FOREVER... stupid thing will not show up 😆

[rain cipher]

Ahhh getting 100 from a chest feels good

Lv4 Heroic Extra Dose and Slow Cooker

[nova parrot]

how to build throw dagger build with tracking dagger

[stable lichen]

is it just me or are chaos arcana disabling boons literally never worth taking lmao

i had a heroic chaos boon offered which disabled my arcana for 11 encounters and then it would give me 97% chance to get extra resources with tools lmao

the 97% instead of 100% was just salt on the wound

(i did not take it)

[spare kite]

Yeah barren is super punishing lmfao

And the ranges for chaos boons being so wild doesn't help

[uneven palm]

Poseidon special. Spiral knives is the best hammer.

[low bear]

barren is nice for 55 Fear ig? LMAO

[spare kite]

Can it even show up there

[low bear]

that's a good question

actually it's still bad because it's SO MANY ENCOUNTERS

barren might be good if it was max 1 or 2 encounters then there'd be a trade off

[feral jasper]

anyone use silver wheel with sister blades?
i've been playing with that and if you hold omega attack and dash every couple seconds it's like perpetual slow motion

[dusty ether]

Does the burst from solar ring still apply with aspect of charon cleave-cast or did that change when it got changed to only be a single burst?

[pseudo sequoia]

being so fr i would actually consider taking it if there weren't so many encounters on it, or if it was some kind of other stipulation

like if it was for the next guardian/warden fight only, or if it was combined with the doomed curse for a few encounters, that sort of thing

[half sigil]

11 encounter is just too much for such a pitiful reward

And to add insult to injury with hubris you prime like 18 magic i believe lmao

[spare kite]

I thought chaos boons didn't get hubris'd

[pseudo sequoia]

they don't, iirc

[half sigil]

Don’t they? I never pay attention to hubris idk

I just know sometimes I have no magic

[pseudo sequoia]

fair, hubris does add up, especially now that we can't get rid of it

[half sigil]

I dont hate it, makes picking up magic relevant i guess. Not the worst vow

like idk, fangs 🙂

[pseudo sequoia]

as much as i hate to admit it i actually don't mind fangs? it's just a few specific interactions that are horrendous to be honest but otherwise it's decent variety

[spare kite]

Fangs 1
Fangs 2

[half sigil]

i don't mind the concept of it but some combo are horrendous

[spare kite]

Some perks (impervious) are also just, no

[pseudo sequoia]

we should get rid of that one and replace it with a brand new Schelemeus perk where they're just schelemeus and he's chill about it

[bronze canyon]

prolly a common q, but what are the moonstone axe builds that can go up against promethus...struggling w/ mele against the guy

[blissful sphinx]

looking for a broken build who got some

[grizzled timber]

moros

[blissful sphinx]

thats it thats the tweet

[nova parrot]

i mean i using pan dagger and why it not seek to enemy

[weak hamlet]

For Prometheus I focus on the cast (Zeus if possible) and just wack him with specials. Also if you get the timeslow hex, you can rush him, charge up a main attack special and wreck his healthbar.

[sage flame]

as the text on the aspect of Pan says, they specials will seek foes in your casts, so you gotta drop your cast down to have them seek

[nova parrot]

thx you brother

[half sigil]

It helps if you know the pattern.
In phase 1 he only does charged moves (Those are moves that have a windup and a recovery time)
In phase 2 he does a combo of 2 quick attack and 1 charged
In phase 3 he does a combo of 1 charged, 2 quick 1 charged.
Once you know that, you don’t have to worry about what he’s doing but just wait out his combo and bait the quick atttack and just punish the charged ones

[bronze canyon]

That’s really helpful..couldn’t figure out the rhythm so it just felt random

[uneven palm]

Second this. Once you know the pattern, Mental Block makes him almost trivial (just cast as soon as he approaches for a "charged" attack)

[low bear]

@lament spoke no omega cast is not really worth it

and yeah the down time is "longer" than Divine Dash but the key thing is you get invuln without having to dash. Dropping a cast is near instant so you can keep attacking while the incoming enemy attack gets deflected.

also with DD there are overlapping i frames from the dash and the deflect thing itself

[rain cipher]

What keepsake series do you all usually pick?

[supple radish]

I always start with the gorgon amulet, then swap to the hecate one if I'm using the axe or the knucklebones if I'm not

[lament spoke]

fair. I feel like I'm not good enough at timing for this lmao

[rain cipher]

Holy crap. Pan + Spiral Knives + Death Arcana omega combo is absolutely ridiculous.

Picked up faster omegas and channeling and it just feels like room clearing overkill every room...

And I'm using a hodgepodge set of boons for moves (Ice, Sworn, Anvil and Warmth for gain.)

[low bear]

the timing isn't really strict as long as you know what attack is coming, the defelct aua lasts for a decent amount of time so you can be a bit more generous with how early you drop your cast

[lament spoke]

nod nod

but also like. often my cast is down already

[rain cipher]

Jesus, used my combo once and simply deleted the phantom.

Just poof.

[low bear]

yeah that's when you do practice restraint when dropping cast

[rain cipher]

Deleted Cerberus in like four attacks, just broken up by his shields.

I also took Local Atmosphere, which I'm mixed on with this, but it's at least interesting.

[low bear]

yes Pan + Spiral is indeed OP. It was even more ridiculous when hook knives were still a thing

[rain cipher]

Going into Tartarus with:

• Spiral Knives (+20% damage and 16 shots)
• Sudden Flurry (+40% special channel speed)
• 2x Revelation from Chaos (+56% channel speed)
• Blackened Fleece (+60% dmg)
• Witch's Mark from Charon's Well (+50% damage, extended)
• Uncanny Fortitude & Impervious 7s for survivability (lol (290 mp, 318 hp)

I will probably die again but this has been fun.

[rain cipher]

Heyyyy I did it.

[timber pawn]

You've stumbled upon arguably the strongest build in the whole game, it is indeed very good!

With a heroic poseidon special to start, you can basically one-omega-special every boss phase in the game if you have spiral knives

[rain cipher]

I usually do Embryo then Phial, and try to get specifically 1 of my strike or special common.

The Epic chaos boon you keep when you swap keepsakes is at best very nice to have.

And then a target common turns Heroic.

Sometimes have to use dice to avoid picking up a second common.

[queen cape]

Even though I've cleared both the surface (just once with the newest boss) and the underworld many times, I'm running into a problem dying to Eris frequently. I'm not the best Hades player and I'm on M+K, so I'm at a disadvantage. Does anyone have some tips for that fight? I've lost with just one death defiance missing and Toulla, so it's getting demoralizing at this point to almost make it to the next Region and die to that annoying boss

[uneven palm]

Stay close and dash behind her. Once she's in an attack animation she's super slow to turn so you're pretty safe. Failing that, hug the pillars. Don't let her blow them up with the sniper shot. While she’s aiming the sniper shot, start running sideways (relative to her) and it'll miss.

[past salmon]

I wouldn't call M+K a disadvantage. A lot of very good players use it

[queen cape]

Coming from controller in H1, it feels like it sometimes. I've grown used to it now, but I still miss having the stick to navigate as opposed to WASD. Aiming, though, is much easier.

[half sigil]

If you’re able to have a deflect it makes her fight a lot easier. But if you don’t, the only move you really want to be careful of is the charge. Other than that if you see a purple line try to stay behind her. And stay out of big aoe circle that’s it

[low bear]

how do I play 53F Persephone without wanting to claw out my eyes (and drown them)?

[magic moss]

heres the fun part you don’t

[ember frigate]

if you are using a black coat, better to spam special or try and spam dash attacks? (i have aspect of selene unlocked)

[hollow briar]

They’re both rather good in their own right, but Special spam is considerably safer

But with Exhaust Riser, DAttack spam is rather strong lol

[hollow briar]

On the offchance it isn’t literally insane (1:100 odds) what about Wards off and full Void

[past salmon]

yeh definitely not lmfao

[low bear]

nah you didn't cook there brother

[frozen fjord]

How to do cast builds? I always feel like it doesnt last long enough or enemies walk away, and if i try to omega cast i get hit.

[low bear]

cast build is kinda just click storm ring

lightning lance + geyser sprout from Pos is feasible too but it's only okay

[hollow briar]

Idk I tried it and got to Fields first attempt

Maybe luck, but it actually felt kinda okay

Probably not better per se, but I just hate Wards so much oh my god

[past mist]

ohh sweet, thanks for the info. I haven't had many chances to figure out his pattern yet

haven't fought him enough, and his attacks are still visually fuzzy for me

[tall notch]

Can't you do both using autofire?

[half sigil]

No biggie, I have more details if you need

[half sigil]

The auto fire strat is bad cause it cuts the second punch. Lower dps

[past mist]

any details on what prom is actually doing is appreciated tbh. i'm too blind for this guy's attacks

[tall notch]

What if you dash attack+special? Don't you get both?

[half sigil]

You do but dps is lower than the actual attack combo. By quite a bit too. It’s « ok » if you have exhaust riser and Poseidon but it’s a lot of commitment and I don’t think it’s worth it imo, at least not in most situation

[half sigil]

I’ll dm you something I wrote elsewhere cause it’s very long and I don’t want to clutter the chat

[past mist]

sweet, thanks

[low bear]

I hate Persephone

[half sigil]

You and me both brother

[tall notch]

Me too. I think Foolish is the only person who likes it

[half sigil]

Weirdo

[past mist]

i think it's fine, i just don't enjoy it on high fear

[low bear]

I hate Persephone

[cursive oyster]

i hate skull and by extension persephone

[idle lodge]

I’m a little confused by fears/testaments, why does it say ”Conquer the surface” when the target boss is hecate? ”Conquer the underworld” is already crossed out

[cursive oyster]

the testaments are unrelated to the become night’s champion thingy- those are skelly’s statues

[idle lodge]

Ohhh

I hadn’t figured what those were, thought it was something unfinished

So if i have 8 fear underworld crossed out, I need to clear overworld with 8 fear also to uncover the first statue

[spare kite]

correct

[cursive oyster]

yep

[idle lodge]

Nice ty

Can I see my ”high score” in terms of highest fear clear?

[cursive oyster]

the record keeper has them sorted by weapon

[low bear]

I'm about to turn Perspehone into aspect of Possessed Array

[grizzled timber]

Persephone, aspect of Ospesh and get stuck in a pebble

[magic moss]

sheet has been updated, we have passed 500 total olympic patch 50F clears, congrats to everyone!

[patent meadow]

did you see my run of persephone 53F ?

storm ring really just carry this awful weapon

[low bear]

YES! That was what I was using as reference actually and I JUST FINISHED IT https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1311436529377476668/Screenshot_1949.png?ex=6748d9f1&is=67478871&hm=c120aae667198af45138f47d6c46ccd43e04f61f4ffa9afb908118aa64b7ec01&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1375&height=772

[solid steppe]

so what exactly does the Hermes boon nimble limbs do for casts? like does it get placed faster? does it explode sooner?

[low bear]

it probably puts it down faster but I barely feel it honestly

[solid steppe]

The cast already goes down so quick LOL feels a bit useless

At least you can kinda feel the attack and special ones on higher rarities

[low bear]

attack is great on normal attack weapons

staff, daggers, axe, and coat

[cursive oyster]

mind is nice

[low bear]

mind is great too on omega builds

[ember frigate]

(trying to clear 16 fear and maybe higher)
should i try always keeping frenzy (maybe max) and some other vows on so i could get used to it, for later or higher fear runs?

[cursive oyster]

definitely worth doing if you wanna go for high fear

[hollow briar]

I mean, yeh, considering a lot of the “your ___ is faster” Hammers are in the realm of 30% (somewhat), having a third of that from a common Boon is kinda nice

[cursive oyster]

midnight oil my beloved

[pale sage]

what does eos daybreaker copying your specials even mean

[stable lichen]

when you fire a (omega) special it also fires a (omega) special

[pale sage]

oh i see it now

god how did i miss that im so stupid 😭

[stable lichen]

we all have our moments

[half sigil]

Also took me longer than I care to admit lol

[uneven palm]

Triple Comet very fun on that one

[late veldt]

any build recommendations for zorephet?

[low bear]

Than Axe for melee, Charon for a safer ranged playstyle

[rain cipher]

What are people's favorite builds that aren't necessarily very good, but just feel really fun to play as?

[past mist]

geyser spout, probably? but i suck with it

lucid gain, any cast, geyser spout

mel staff

i think my annoyance with the build is how much it takes to set it up on 50f

you need to get a cast, preferably a decent one if you want to get through erebus. you need that before you get geyser spout. but you also need lucid gain.
So you need to: get apollo, get a cast, and get poseidon. not necessarily in that order, but you need to guarantee two gods and one of them needs to happen after cast gets picked :/

[pseudo sequoia]

i am extremely partial to doube heph moros runs. death by hammers

[silent crow]

medea default skull special only

[velvet epoch]

Anybody else never use the Xinth Omega Attack?

I think a short stun effect on top of the push would be neat. It wouldn't do more damage, but it would add a mechanic that would let folks do something interesting, whether that's repositioning or getting a few bonks in or dropping an Omega cast, etc.

I know the draw is the shield mechanic it puts up, but it doesn't even cover several kinds attacks, I've noticed.

[half sigil]

I think it’s only really good on Selene. On other aspects the block is too slow to start so I usually rather dodge, and the dmg isn’t worth

[velvet epoch]

Exactly my point. As is, it's pretty useless. Why block when you can dodge? Why charge an Omega attack when you could get 3 normal bonks in for more damage.

[half sigil]

Yea that’s fair, although on Selene it is quite good. Maybe they’ll adjust it in the future I hope

[stable lichen]

step 1: get night bloom

step 2: get the buff which makes your zombies stay for the entire room

step 3: fire omegas to kill 1 enemy, revive that enemy, and watch your minion slowly duke it out with everything else

[rain cipher]

It would be neat to have a hidden aspect that specifically plays into summoning minions/Night Bloom.

[stable lichen]

with something like the +60% attack speed for your zombies its hilarious to revive an olympus spinner robot and then seeing it shred everything else lol

[rain cipher]

Necromancy build 🙏