h2-builds-and-combat

[surreal hazel]

all of her moves are pretty well telegraphed in advance, but she hits so hard that small mistakes hurt

[cursive oyster]

she turns about as fast as a brick wall

[surreal hazel]

taking both projectile speed reductions is a thing that makes the fight funnier

they actually had to put in an exception for charybis' projectiles

since before they did, any projectile speed reduction caused his cluster projectiles to detonate over water, causing all of the smaller bullets to see themselves as out of bounds and expire immediately

[spare kite]

If you have access to athena's keepsake you can also bully eris that way

[primal stirrup]

i feel like island getaway (all enemies are counted as 'nearby') is REALLY slept on
get aphrodite's magick boon with that and you permanently have at least 8 magick regen per second, along with every enemy being weak all the time.

plus, with the boons needed for it -
your attack and/or special just does AT LEAST double damage now no matter what!

[slate trench]

athena's cast boon might even be more op than the dash holy broken

[amber dagger]

i had the perfect dash strike build but heastia didnt feel like showing up a whole region

died to eris but ima run it back

[terse apex]

how do you guys build momus and or circe? i havent really been playing staff

[teal fractal]

They recently updated momus so haven’t used it myself, curious to hear other’s builds. I used to run Poseidon or Aphrodite just to pump out more pure damage before momus got changed.

[magic moss]

"recently" is a bit of a stretch considering they changed it like 4 months ago, but hera/aphro attack is good

[teal fractal]

Did they not just change Momus in the Olympian update to only allow one omega of a kind at one time to hang out there then do a delayed blast? Where before you could just spam with momus and it would just copy whatever your omega was without a limit, unless I’m misremembering

Maybe I’m buggin guys

[cursive oyster]

you are misremembering, momus always did this

[heady eagle]

after using the black coat, all the other weapons feel less fun 😦

[terse apex]

okay so i should go for omegas for momus? what abt circe

[split glen]

if i purge renewed faith, do i lose the restored DDs?

[timber pawn]

Time to try it for science

I lean towards 'no' based on other interactions

But hard to say without testing

[split glen]

i had a chance, but didnt do it

[spare kite]

Is faith dds with extra healing or dds heal more in general

[split glen]

on one hand i did want to try it but on the other i want to finish this run

[primal stirrup]

since all omegas get effectively 4x damage with momus, yeah

[surreal hazel]

3x

[primal stirrup]

no you shoot it once
and then it shoots 3 more times

[surreal hazel]

no it shoots 2 more times

[primal stirrup]

oh does it?
dang

[split glen]

you bring up a good point -- the boon itself is dd's heal more (in general), but looking the wording up made me realise that the boon doesn't say anything about renewing DDs, which makes me think that the renewal is tied to the athena option and thus wouldnt remove the DDs if you purge it

will try it out if i have the chance next time i suppose lol

[lofty lintel]

Thank you. What do you mean by rust?

[surreal hazel]

out of practice

[lofty lintel]

Aaah. Probably... I need to slow down instead of button mashing when I take too much damage

[timber pawn]

A lot of things are still in flux so people haven't made many guides yet

[spare laurel]

So I'm having a bit of trouble making a build I want. I really really want to try a staff special focused build, but I have no clue what's the best way to go about it. Which god synergizes well? I tried Hera and Poseidon so far but the results have been very meh

[timber pawn]

Any particular staff aspect?

Mel staff with the double moonshot hammer works reasonably well

(doubles your specials and omega specials)

[spare laurel]

Not really, I'm pretty happy with either. I can go for the hammers early but then I sitll need some boons in order to actually get damage going on later

[timber pawn]

https://youtu.be/xAIFacglL_A?si=l9UlJ9h5OTEsxLzJ

This video can kind of be a blueprint if you want

It focuses on omega special with aphrodite, and the double moonshot hammer is pretty important for damage here

Other notable boons here are 'controlled burn' from hestia

Since you're using the omega special a lot

[untold zodiac]

what worked for me is Mel staff, Aetheric Moonburst, controlled burn, blood line and Zeus' spesh
it was before they added a duo for that build (Hera+Hestia)

[timber pawn]

Pretty close to what I used above but no bloodline and aphro instead of zeus

[amber dagger]

https://imgur.com/a/TW9SdAA bro hera did not appear after area 1 smh

i could of had a +30 attack but nope i didnt and cost me the run

im kinda mad rn

run it back ig

[lofty lintel]

Ok i did it yall! I finally beat Eris! And not just that i made it to prometheus! And got him to final phase before he one shot me but still!!! I'm so excited! Staff was the way to goooo!

[cursive oyster]

honestly i woulda kept the zeus boons

[amber dagger]

but medea big boom damage

[modest sleet]

Feast your eyes on this! Incredible bonus... on a useless boon - Zeus' Blitz overall is so bad on AAs, even on knives... Just imagine if game would let me swap it to Burn or even Hephaestus or Freeze or Weak!!! But alas, it was not meant to be, the run was ruined...
https://imgur.com/a/bmf9yRh

[cursive oyster]

blitz is goated what are you on about

[modest sleet]

You need to deal continuous damage for it to pop - ALL other boons do some additional damage right away

Blitz is useless, especially on AAs

[magic moss]

i think you're severely underestimating blitz

[boreal jolt]

It procs Origination, you're always dealing damage in this game, and it's affected by double strike, has a number of good Duos, and having Blitz means you also have Zeus in your god pool... Far from useless.

[cursive oyster]

storm ring and static shock also both deal a lot of damage which makes proccing blitz quite easy

plus romantic spark exists plus double strike exists

[slate trench]

Blitz is insane

Can use it in like any build too

[cursive oyster]

plus it’s flat damage meaning it scales well with strength or origination

[modest sleet]

+24 gave me only 510...

[boreal jolt]

Also would you guys take Tropical Cyclone over Back Burner + Skulking Onslaught? I'm being offered Back Burner and the duo and already have nutty backstab damage.

[cursive oyster]

if double strike procs that’s 1020

it’s also 510 damage almost every second

[modest sleet]

for that double strike has to appear

[modest sleet]

not even close - it was like 510 every 5 or so seconds

[boreal jolt]

Run Blitz Attack + Storm Ring + Double Strike on daggers and you'll see how broken it is.

[modest sleet]

I would prefer to have Hephaestus on AAs with this bonus - that would be 400 every ATTACK

[cursive oyster]

that sounds like a problem with how you built around blitz

[slate trench]

By the end of the run you should be proccing blitz pretty much as soon as it's applied

Heph actually has a hard cool down limit, you can proc blitz quicker than every 2 seconds

[modest sleet]

Interesting... then what would +24 Heph look like...?

[grizzled timber]

ppl who play xinth on controller... how do u do it? too much button mashing for me and auto-fire is useless

[modest sleet]

very... carefully... 😄

Tbh, it wasn't that hard - mostly through AAs, especially if you get boons on reducing omega AA charge time

[slate trench]

I don't think its possible to get heph attack past 2 seconds, I don't remember if the game stops offering poms for it or they just don't do anything after a certain level

[modest sleet]

Well, we'll never know, since game decided not to provide me Heph swap for attacks (or Heph at all) in this run

[cursive oyster]

it does still cap at 2 seconds

[modest sleet]

Maybe they could allow increasing damage after 2 seconds are reached?

[magic moss]

#h2-feedback

[timber pawn]

Romantic spark has the highest boss damage potential in the game, pretty sure

Can one tick every phase of chronos. I know Pan can too, probably more easily, but romantic spark blitz on anything else is probably the most damage in the game if you get good rng

[wise idol]

kinda ironic that romantic spark's strength was (pretty much) only realized after its bonus got halved lol

[timber pawn]

The math apparently stayed the same?

But the tool tip was just updated to more effectively communicqte the math

[wise idol]

oh interesting

that sorta makes sense, 200% would be an insane amount of damage

[timber pawn]

Ya, outcome of RS was always 200% total, so 100% increase, I think

[wise idol]

I see, makes sense

definitely much better wording than before

[low bear]

iirc it's hard capped at 2 seconds so yeah Heph does not scale very well

[lament spoke]

wait what does AA stand for here i'm just thinking ace attorney

[timber pawn]

I believe maybe 'auto attacks'

[lament spoke]

wait doesn't autofire kill omegas tho

[timber pawn]

Which, pedantically, don't exist in Hades, but we can guess they mean the normal attacks

Actually, they say omega AAs, so Nevermind, I have no clue lol

[lament spoke]

naur you can turn autofire on in settings

hold down attack button to strike continuously (at the cost of omegas)

[timber pawn]

Ya I dunno I don't think it's autofire in the context they use

So I'm really not sure

[lament spoke]

oh well !

[uneven palm]

I was wondering what AA meant also 😅

[timber pawn]

Unless aa means anti air and they're referring to the missiles

Which is not out of the question

[vague jackal]

I'd use AA for mel coat and daggers

not sure where ese it could be useful

funny, no effect on the torches

[wise idol]

Not even for the specials?

[vague jackal]

specials seem to be unaffected

I think there's a bug with the daggers, after switching from the staff, it was doing omegas

cant replicate it again tho

its bugged as hell, doesnt work with coat

or skull

sent a bug report as well as feedback on it cause why not

[neon crown]

is it just me or are the blitz boons that bad

[frigid lance]

it's just you. Blitz is great!

[neon crown]

Just kinda feel like its not worth it if i need to do 110 damage to get one burst of 120 damage when i can use at least three other olympians with better status effects for 10% less damage

[timber pawn]

We should keep a clip around of blitz demolishing a boss for these occasions

Blitz is a bit more of a complex curse I guess? And it's not as intuitive as like scorch or freeze

[blissful sphinx]

well when you're able to do that damage with other olympians, the damage theoretically doubles if you add blitz to that

blitz is really good imo, but on its own it's kinda pointless

[surreal hazel]

You're thinking about it wrong. Imagine doing a move like staff special once with blitz then mashing attack with some other boon

10 damage special giving a bonus 180

[odd moss]

Does anyone have advice for Charybdis, because I dread having to fight that thing and it's almost guaranteed to take one of my Death Defiances everytime I have the displeasure of encountering it

[mighty moon]

chary is gungeon bullet hell, but everything comes out in a learnable pattern and each attack has a different animation cue. pay attention to certain animations and the direction / speed of each type of attack and practice it intentfully, maybe record yourself vs it and see what its doing if you want to develop that faster. once it becomes ingrained muscle memory the fight is trivial

[modest sleet]

Yeah, it was Attacks - just the force of habit to call basic attacks auto-attacks

[timber pawn]

Gotcha, thanks for clarifying!

[polar frigate]

Do yall go absolutely no healing on 50f ? Cause i dunno if i give up a bit more arcana or completely give up healing

[stuck ether]

Conpletely give up healing.
50f is usually every single vow maxxed but keep abanadon at 0

[polar frigate]

I see ty

[hollow briar]

It's exceedingly rare to run Void at 50F, but there have been a few times where it's worked out

Do note that Breath of Eros and Preserved Hope still give healing like normal even with Scars III

[polar frigate]

Ahhh thats nice to know thanks

[last cape]

How do y'all feel about lunar Ray? I'd rather take total eclipse on this reward screen but ray has the full moonglow bonus while total eclipse has no bonus

[grizzled timber]

thats the thing, autofire on xinth does normal attack > omega > cancels omega into normal attack > repeat

idk if its a bug or what but its useless for all playstyles lol

[grizzled timber]

my last lunar ray run was extremely underwhelming, even with all upgrades it still has poor tracking so it ends up missing most of the damage on bosses

[neon crown]

Poor hitbox on ray. Took it once and never again

[last cape]

Yeah I took it on a moros run earlier, didn't really like it

[neon crown]

is sea star doubling Path of Stars intended? feels like a boon to me

[amber dagger]

https://imgur.com/a/buicp5z

good f24 setup or nah

[cursive oyster]

denial is incredibly free and gives 2 fear, i’d take that over something like wards or grit, and scars 1 and 2 are very manageable

[uneven palm]

Yeah I’d drop Hordes for Denial. Hordes makes everything worse

[cursive oyster]

oh this pact has hordes

[ebon hill]

Does the Luckier Tooth keepsake count as a death defiance for the Strength card? Like will the effects of the card not be activated if I choose luckier tooth part way through my run?

[silent crow]

yes

[ebon hill]

thanks !

[scarlet ferry]

How do I tell if an Omega Move counts/has a combo? It says to look for this little skull symbol but I don’t see it anywhere

I wanna know if Lim & Oros Omega Attack counts as a combo

[wise idol]

A omega move combo is doing a different omega move after the one you just did, so if you keep alternating you get the crit chance. Doing the same omega in a row over and over will not get the benefit

[scarlet ferry]

Oh okay, Ty

What's a good Arcana build for Melinoe's daggers? I wanna compare others' to what I use

[low bear]

the Arcana builds all feel pretty sameish tbh

You get the entire first column, Titan, Eternity or Strength, Boatman, Lovers, Huntress

You can drop boatman for Orig too, or drop Huntress and Lovers for Orig + Boatman

[scarlet ferry]

I dont trust myself enough to use strength lol

especially on a surface run

[low bear]

Eternity is it then

[tidal vale]

anyone have a fun descura build?

[low bear]

Momus and rotating between omegas is fun imo

[calm swallow]

Is there a typical build for Strength arcana that works for any weapon? I’d like to get all rerolls and Divinity if possible

[uneven palm]

Take the first column, that’ll activate Divinity

Sorceress and Swift Runner are cheap, you’ll have the rolls and cash corner anyway, and Furies is cheap too

[half sigil]

What do you look for on pan? Like boons on hammers. For high fear

[waxen garden]

spiral knives >>>>

and the one that helps you channel faster

[pseudo sequoia]

i am a big fan of trick knives on pan personally but it's probably one of the less desirable hammers

it's extremely fun though, if you have no other option i recommend trying it, it's a free 3-knife omega special at any time and it has the hook knives effect unlike the actual omega special

[waxen garden]

does it have the seeking behaviour on Pan?

[pseudo sequoia]

it does

[minor willow]

I dont know if its good advice but personally I like to go into the corner and attack the farthest tentacle cuz like
then you'll usually have to deal with only one round of attacks, save for arrows

[surreal hazel]

Trick knives is a solid choice given they have full hook knives built in

[odd moss]

Engagement Ring with Pan absolutely demolishes crowds in my experience

[steel sequoia]

pos+hera is the way for pan

hera ER + gain is just opressive

[odd moss]

And adding the aoe of Pos multiplies that by 10
Hestia is a decent alternative to Pos, but unless you have Pyro Tech the damage rate is a bit lacking

[pseudo sequoia]

yea absolutely, just a shame it's a bit awkward to pull off given that it's yknow trick knives

idk what it is about it but i never feel like i can consistently do dash strikes back to back so i still need to keep actual omega specials moving

[hollow briar]

S’how I did 50F, though I will say I was hard carried by ERing

[cunning sable]

Are there any restrictions against Rapid Onslaught showing up for the Sister Blades? I’ve been trying to knock out that prophecy all week and after 20 runs, I’m still not having it show up as a hammer upgrade.

Have I just been ridiculously unlucky? Is it restricted by aspects? Or other hammers blocking it?

[odd moss]

I think you've just been unlucky.
It's a 1 in 4 chance if you don't have a hammer upgrade already.
I know it took me forever to get some upgrades for prophecies.

[bright prawn]

any tips for beating prometheus? ive tried twice so far and i just get destroyed, it feels like i cant do any dmg to him even if it was easy for me to progress through olympus

[turbid inlet]

what parts of the fight are you struggling with?

[bright prawn]

ig dodging? but i know thats more of a skill thing. i try and wait for his attacks to end before hitting him but by the time i get close to him again hes already charging/attacking again 😭

[turbid inlet]

yeah nah, you're gonna want to focus on getting behind him and hitting him while he's attacking

try getting some demeter boons with freeze, it'll slow him down so you can have an easier time dodging

[bright prawn]

mmm ok ty

[low bear]

Deflect is also really good on him

[tribal wedge]

Play close to him, similar to eris alot of his attacks can be dodged or made less by going behind him.

[bright prawn]

ill try that next run tyyy

[idle lodge]

Which 2 point cards are people recommending? I’m using queen card so can only use 2, and I’m usually running Titan and Huntress but wondering if the cast cards are worth it instead

By cast cards I’m referring to Furies and Night

[magic moss]

titan huntress and furies all have really high value, but if you want to run queen then i would say titan and furies. Night is good but largely situational

[idle lodge]

Ok thanks

Do you think queen is worth it? I’m sacrificing 2 arcana points which go unused since I can’t tap another 1-2 point card

[magic moss]

nope

i think titans furies huntress all give way too much base value

[idle lodge]

That’s what I’m thinking. Thanks for the input

[uneven palm]

Queen isn’t worth going out of your way or straight up skipping Arcana to activate. 10 rolls goes a long way to getting you duos

[proper cedar]

best buid for 32 fear any?

[split igloo]

Hey all, newish player still figuring things out. Curious if any particular aspects are considered better on kbm than controller? Just always been a keyboard player so sticking w it in hades

[magic moss]

@past mist u have more unique 50Fs than i do now lul

congrats! XDD

[past mist]

yay!

[magic moss]

the student has become the master

[cursive oyster]

@amber dagger oh i am aware but i think than axe is a bit easier to clear with

[amber dagger]

Ight

[magic moss]

in terms of pure strength its actually probably medea

[cursive oyster]

you don’t need to worry about priming out with born and than has a really strong erebus

[cursive oyster]

easiest to clear with not fastest or most consistent

[patent meadow]

charon is probably on the easier side too

[cursive oyster]

without good hammers damage drops off around fields but than has a lot of amazing hammers

[magic moss]

in terms of how easy it is to clear its prob charon > moros > thanatos

[cursive oyster]

for some reason i just dislike charon

[blissful sphinx]

the only time I beat 32 fear was with a boonless aspect of medea, in the time when there was a duo boon powering up boonless attacks

[cursive oyster]

now it’s a well item you can buy for ten gold in erebus

[magic moss]

its been over an hour and im just now starting to add clears to the sheet

gonna take a break

[amber dagger]

Dang I’ll crank out 10 more for you as In do more 50f runs for you to add

[wise idol]

id swap moros and charon personally but yeah those 3 are my top 3 easiest to clear with too

[turbid inlet]

i used the mel skull + aphrodite attack strategy for 32 fear runs myself

[steel prawn]

so i have recently discovered aspect of charon is unbelievably fun

[proper cedar]

my fave (not the best) charon with all heph except the poseidon duoboon. BIG bonk

or charon with the og apollo cast was really fun

[waxen garden]

is there ever a good reason to not have origination on?

[nova dune]

Some 50f setups don't use it

[cursive oyster]

often at high fear you prefer boatman giving ten rerolls and starting gold for consistency

[wise idol]

tbh aside from high fear (and even then its sorta debateable) orig is rarely not taken, but I dont mind since its a really fun effect and makes you think about boon choices more

[waxen garden]

i'm definitely an origination enjoyer, i was thinking along the lines of building it in (or making it 0 cost somehow) since there rarely isn't a good reason to have it

[wise idol]

Possibly but I dont think its necessarily a problem the way it is now

I wouldnt really wanna trade any of the other 0 costs we have now as well

[waxen garden]

yeah, if we had the equivalent of family favorites in this game I think it would be a more interesting choice

[round quartz]

I could never figure out Medea aspect
Do you have any advice?

Like I know how it works, it just feels really... weird to use
And like I'm throwing myself into danger

[split igloo]

does anyone have any good build suggestions for aspect of nyx? not entirely sure best thing to do for it

[uneven palm]

Yeah it’s a bit dangerous. Zip in, Attack to load skulls, Special right through to pop it, repeat the other way. Load a bunch of skulls for armored enemies to try and pop the armor. Zeus on special is the usual start, add a percentage attack. Possessed Array, Colossus Driver, Bolstered Array are the best hammers.

I just did a surface 32F today with that if you wanna see how the damage loop looks https://youtu.be/pZE_bWqJlE0?si=Otq8RC7PAturZbJD

[round quartz]

Thank you ^^
Also what weapon should I go for 32 fear surface next? (The only one I've done is Nyx Black Coat)

[uneven palm]

Easiest ones IMO are probably Moros, Charon, Thanatos, maybe Artemis

[uneven palm]

Zeus and Hera attack/special are good go-tos. The extra hits from the buff will pop Blitz faster or benefit from Hitch with crowds. Or a fun build is Poseidon special, Apollo sprint, then their Beach Ball duo since you’re sprinting all the time anyway

[round quartz]

Omg Circe just gave me Eternity

It's so over

[analog ether]

Sheeesh, this was a damn good build. Poseidon Attack Staff with Mirrored and Wicked Thrasher, Slip, Spirit Surge and Killer Current. With a little bit of Demeter Special and Weed Killer.

Only thing that could've made it better was King Tide (WHICH HE REFUSED TO GIVE ME DESPITE USING ALL MY RE-ROLLS AND LITERALLY HAVING NO OTHER BOONS I COULD TAKE)

[half sigil]

Is there anything that can heal through vow of scars on the surface? Similar to preserved hope or breath of heroes

[analog ether]

Vampiric Cataclysm maybe? (Staff Hammer, heals you when you kill an enemy with Omega Attack)

Can't say for sure, haven't tried it.

[half sigil]

Yea it does heal through vow but I’m not planning on using staff for this

[analog ether]

Hmm. I dunno if Healthy Rebound works through it.

Aphrodite Boon, when you move to a new room, heals 100% of your health when you're above a minimum amount.

[half sigil]

Yea but it’s too much investment

[analog ether]

Circe can counteract it a little, but I don't think it works on maxxed-out Scars.

[half sigil]

Circe?

The npc? If you’re thinking of her healing boon it doesn’t work

She has a boon that can remove a random vow but it’s rng and frankly I’d rather she picks something else lol

[analog ether]

Can't think of anything else then.

[pseudo sequoia]

you are right that it doesn't increase your healing (since 25% of 0 is still 0) but it does still heal 50% of your max hp

[past salmon]

Odd

[pseudo sequoia]

not really, it's preserved hope 2.0 lol

[past salmon]

Preserved hope still working is also odd

[tall notch]

It's not a bug, it's a feature

[past salmon]

keep coping

[tall notch]

It's the tooltip that's wrong trust

[glossy rivet]

does hestia legendary work vs prometheus flames?

[glossy rivet]

it didn't

[half sigil]

Interesting I didn’t know that

[proper cedar]

does athena apear in the fields of mourning yet?

[cursive oyster]

i believe she works in the fields now but still not thessaly or olympus

[proper cedar]

thx

[amber dagger]

she works in thessaly

[uneven palm]

She definitely works in Thessaly

[past mist]

what is damage from incandescent aura called? if it appeared on the win screen

[surreal hazel]

Probably its own thing

[formal dome]

Ideas for 16F staff prometheus, 20F skulls and 24F torches Chronos ?
(Arcana, Aspect, Boons, Hammer, Fear, Keepsakes, Pet, Tool)

Arcana seem fit for messenger, swift runner, origination and lovers since they upgrade major game mechanics, rest is unclear.

50F+ speedruns mostly highlighted Momus staff, medea skull and momos torches aspects.

Npc wise on surface it seem to favor Poseidon/Hestia infusions and duo boon, underground favor Hera/Zeus with a splash of Hephaestus a more subtle way.

Hammers vary per weapon and can't be rerolled I think, might be better focusing on a general stuff like attack or special.

Best vows for 16-20-24 fear setups might change a little depending of weapon.

Keepsakes are either gods to hunt a specific build, offensive/defensive or utility but I shouldn't need offense/defense if the build is done right.

Pet choice is complex, frinos give health/shield so it work well with DD, raki give crits meaning quick fights so less damage taken and work well with Strenght, hecuba give mana but stun that may synergize with 2 curses arcana and forage.

Most rewarding tool would be the shovel since forage.

[pine ridge]

what weapon aspects are the easiest ways to clear surface+32 Fear? so far Skull Perspephone and Flames Moros have been very smooth the couple times I tried them

this isn't an advice question more of a curiosity thing. trying to find what promotes an un-sweaty Olympus

[formal dome]

@pine ridge Used medea skulls and thanatos axe for 32F, used damage cast/curses arcanas, money, rerolls and strenght, use 4 of the main 8 gods for your build since it usually work best giving better picks (plan well), always pick hammers that fit your build/playstyle, vows are up to you, best keepsakes are usually gods until you got the 4 gods then phial, hammer and pin (cut the vial on surface), raki will be best since both are offensives weapons, tool would be shovel

4 gods choice example : Apollo/Aphrodite/Demeter/Poseidon
(use Frinos and eternity over strenght if you use that set, consider alternative boons for main boons spots)

Attack/special : Poseidon/Aphrodite (prefer attack but some weapon favor special, some use both enough)
Cast : Demeter/Aphrodite
Sprint : Aphrodite/Apollo
Gain : not used there
Others : must fit playstyle

Avoid mana regen but use some magic each encounter for huntress arcana
Use curses both for offense/defense
Raise Hp and damage

[pine ridge]

I'm surprised by the Aphrodite cast preference. I find it difficult to use at higher fear when enemies are sped up/have modifiers/etc, dealing with the suction effect

does the curse last a long time?

[formal dome]

Well out of the 4 gods, Apollo and Poseidon have worst casts if we consider the build intent (weak last 3 sec), basicly you try to reduce all the fluff to have an easier gameplay, less is more, not using mana mean choosing either health or money as minor offenses, then focusing on 4 gods make you avoid npcs and less common gods, yet you keep rerolls and money for consistency.

Offense 4 gods pick maybe would be Hestia, Zeus, Hephaestus, Hera.

[magic moss]

idk where you got momus staff from but aight

also playing thanatos without using mana is now probably more detrimental because of the buffs, and poseidon attack is just not that good on the axe

you’d rather have a % damage boon like hera, apollo, and aphro

[past salmon]

Didn't Die have a rlly fast staff run in patch 4

Silly goober weapon

[magic moss]

sub 13 yeah but that was with early triple hammer, so unrealistic for consistent 50F speedruns

[past salmon]

Ja

I have the staff anyfear WR are you proud of me finally Mini (this experience only made me hate staff more)

[magic moss]

yes

also poseidon cast is kinda slept on as a dps option

[pine ridge]

if we had more cast-centric aspects peple would appreciate it more I think

gettin an extra hit at the start of a cast has wonderful utility

[past salmon]

Imagine if it was half as good as Storm ring

[magic moss]

so true

[pine ridge]

as hades players at some points in conversation we have to pretend zeus doesn't exist out of respect for uhhh whatsername and all the others

funny fish uncle and etc

[past salmon]

Tbf every god is pretty useful
except Poseidon

Oh btw @magic moss I died on Pan 50F on sub 10 Pace you can stop being proud of me again lmfao

[formal dome]

@magic moss I was mostly explaining that a simple attack build focusing on 4 random main gods usually can do up to 32F. Not optimal but it work.

[pine ridge]

I do appreciate the detail but the question was what's easiest. you can clear 32 fear with anything just by yk playing good and making good choice. but it's definitely harder with some than others

[past salmon]

Idk probs Charon or Moros

[pine ridge]

was asking specifically cuz a friend asked what's the easiest way to do it, and i wasn't sure exactly, cuz I just do 32 fear runs and higher with silly concepts all the time

[past salmon]

Play Charon click lucid gain ??? Profit

[magic moss]

good job

[timber pawn]

Webs posted a 6:23 with mel staff geyser spout build yesterday I think

[past salmon]

Don't care didn't ask this doesn't support my agenda

[pine ridge]

my personal easiest was Persephone but I know a lotta players don't like skulls and Persephone specifically

[magic moss]

u wanna help me log 70+ clears for their core boons and their athen/heph/poseidon

[pine ridge]

and yeah it was with the Poseidon cast suite

[past salmon]

No I'm too busy today
I'm moving

I'm happy to help another time tho

[timber pawn]

Lmao fair

[pseudo sequoia]

it's almost funny how easy it is now that im thinking about it

i don't wanna try it but you could probably reasonably beat 32 fear at least with just lucid gain

[past salmon]

I've done 32F boonless so ja

It really wasn't that bad

[pseudo sequoia]

not super surprised lol

[pine ridge]

how hard is it to do a boonless run? not like in combat difficulty but just making sure you aren't forced to get a boon

[magic moss]

its harder to not get a boon than clear boonless

[past salmon]

Kinda annoying
I went easy on the rules since I was just doing it as a goof so I allowed myself to take effectively useless boons if I was forced into one (I took easy shot from Artemis and that was about all I got I think)

[pine ridge]

yeah that's what I figured Orz I like doing funny challenges but I don't have the reset patience

ah kk that makes sense. boonless in spirit

like when a toddler does you a favor and it's something like spreading peanut butter on a magazine

[formal dome]

@pine ridge Current run, medea skulls 20F underground, used 4 random gods build isn't even half tuned, will be an easy win still :

https://i.imgur.com/p1neONK.png

[karmic gust]

anyone got a fun beeg punch build for coat

i tried with hera but the damage was eh

i tried aphro too, but the edge of the punch hitbox is slightly too far away

[tribal wedge]

Apollo ig

[silent crow]

use apollo and make sure u get a high rarity attack

then go for a high rarity weed killer from demeter

[karmic gust]

what would you recommend for origination then? apollo/dem dash and any cast?

[past salmon]

Orig is whatever you can get
Getting orig up is pretty easy there is so many ways to get it going

[karmic gust]

i was trying to weave in casts between punches but either you cant do it quickly or i just didnt animation cancel properly so id rather not rely on casts for orig

[past salmon]

Casting between punches is like 200% worth it lol?
Do you not run furies or anything

not to mention the plethora of very good Cast boons + easier to setup orig

[silent crow]

demeter arctic ring/gale force/frigid sprint + apollo blinding sprint/solar ring is a good orig proc and it opens up a great duo boon from them

[karmic gust]

yea im not disagreeing, it may just be a skill issue on my part cause after punching i would dash and try to place a cast before the next punch, but then i would do a dash attack instead so my cast wouldnt go off, and then im locked into punch

[timber pawn]

Tbh the best way to play coat is spam dash attack

In which case poseidon is what you're looking for, but if you want normal punches... Still probably poseidon honestly

[karmic gust]

i have a feeling exhaust hammer + hest attack would go hard

[silent crow]

idk i prefer hestia

[timber pawn]

Scorch is fine but inherently limited compared to waves

[karmic gust]

wouldnt the waves knock the enemies out of your dash attack? its a pretty small hitbox right

[timber pawn]

It doesnt

All the dash attack hits go off before they get moved

[karmic gust]

oh interesting

[silent crow]

wave base dmg is just so low

[timber pawn]

It's really not at the attack rate of coat

And if you get some global damage buffs like strength, shameless attitude, perfect image

For slower weapons I absolutely agree, splash isn't great

[karmic gust]

mel axe splash build when

[surreal hazel]

Still an aoe splash, and the size does kinda scale with damage (just not directly)

[proven citrus]

steamrolled prometheus on 32 fear and thought that i was getting better, remembered that the medea chamber giving me 200 extra magick was the real mvp 🫠

it might be the best single reward in the whole game

nothing even comes remotely close in terms of random power

[turbid inlet]

what about getting Judgement from circe

[proven citrus]

well

that’s probably stronger

but also seems unlikely to happen in 100 runs even if you’re fishing for it

[turbid inlet]

happened to me yesterday! boggled my mind

but yeah incredibly rare

[proven citrus]

the medea boon seems kind overtuned imo

maybe the original scaling was meant for when you only went up to eris and therefore could only benefit so much

i kinda wonder

can judgement/circe/trinket unlock the card that grants you rerolls before you unlock the card(s) that allow you to actually use rerolls?

i know that if you take the chaos curse that disables your cards then you can’t use your rerolls even though you still have them

[magic moss]

sheet has been updatyed

[lofty anchor]

Well this will be a good run. I got Phoenix Skin, but even after the -100 health I still have 362 plus 20 armor.

[amber dagger]

yes

[cursive oyster]

#h2-feedback message
interesting idea but the last thing we need for high fear is even more “let’s go gambling!”

[timber epoch]

Too many useless keepsakes, would just cause more restarts, only a few are even viable in tartarus

[spare kite]

Even w/o high fear in mind why does it need to be a vow

[timber epoch]

Just their idea to find a way to make use of all the keepsakes.. Unfortunately don't think that'll ever happen

[proven citrus]

getting the low (high?) roll on the antler would be funny though

[spare kite]

Setting up a save file for each weapon where only certain god keepsakes + the usual useful stuff is unlocked

[karmic gust]

whats a fun eos build

i feel like the daybreaker isnt that good

does sustained spark work with eos's attack? cause it says "while channeling yout attacks", but you dont channel your attack for torches

[amber dagger]

hera attk and zeus special

[proven citrus]

exceptional talent (apollo legendary) on eos is somewhat buggy but also fun

[proven citrus]

the daybreaker fires twice which is kinda meh

but once the daybreaker is out you can spam your omega special which is basically at x4 projectiles

i got triple helix so every time i used the omega special it spawned 6 orbiting me and 6 orbiting the daybreaker

which is, uh, a lot

[glossy rivet]

Does geyser spout work on charon axe?

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1247919379245436991/1307617011089805312/image.png?ex=673af4bd&is=6739a33d&hm=16929f67815f5a9e14700737a49742b8971f054db4d6e8943f9dcb06959b1dcf& new page for fun, if you plan on trying for a surface 50, go do it

[magic moss]

think so yeah

[glossy rivet]

Epic

[magic moss]

i want to get those surface numbers up

[surreal hazel]

Extremely strong choice, and amother reason to avoid prominence flare

(They're mutually exclusive fyi)

[waxen garden]

how do people like to play artemis blades? i tried aphro attack + hera special + demeter cast and that was great but i'm wondering if i can do even better

[carmine lagoon]

Pos attack or Hestia attack with freezer burn

[slate trench]

Anyone else hate how dash attack doesn't restart the attack sequence on the axe? Like I'm trying to do a quick dash attack and shave off the end of the animation from regular attack, not trying to dash and stand there defenseless for a second and lift the axe over my head

Iirc in h1 if you dashed it cancelled the attack sequence on everything, unless you hit attack first and then quickly dash once you already started the animation, and it felt so much better

[low bear]

Hera attsck for better crowding

[hazy thistle]

works very well but the rest of poseidons boons don’t feel the best on charon so it’s not ideal to have him in the pool

a really fun geyser spout build is omega cast spam on mel staff though

mel staff omega spam builds are some of my favourite in the game rn especially with new sorceress to get a ton of charge speed

[idle lodge]

If the boon says ”your specials deal more damage” does that apply to omega special as well?

[timber epoch]

Yes if its plural

[idle lodge]

Awesome thanks

[timber epoch]

At least it should.. Pretty sure I've had some issues with it

[idle lodge]

So for example this hammer says ”Siege shredder - your special strikes farther ahead and deals +150% damage” it only applies to non-omega ie regular special

[pastel obsidian]

Yeah I have this happen a lot with the final axe hit. An axe guide I saw on reddit mentioned that animation can be cancelled with special so you can spam attack -> cancel last hit with special -> dash strike which helped my axe runs a lot

[idle lodge]

I’m running aspect of charon so that hammer only seems useful if it also applies to omega, which I guess it doesn’t

[timber epoch]

Yea Just regular then

[idle lodge]

Which keepsake is good on chronos?

[foggy hinge]

I run aphro attack, Zeus or heph special, Hestia cast and try and get flick knives hammer

[uneven palm]

Aphro, Hera, or Apollo attack, good magick regen, get Explosive Ambush, you win.

[serene flame]

A VERY easy way to take less damage 😂 😂 😂
use Apollo dizzy and Aphrodite dodge
for example, if you have 5 wind element, and you have dodge card
then get damage = 100% x 80%(Apollo dizzy) x 80%(Aphrodite + dodge card) ~= 66% ~= 2/3
and if you meet Hermis, then maybe you can have more dodge 🥳 🥳 🥳

[slim marten]

I hope this is the right space to ask this, but I'm not sure if I have actually encountered a bug (which relates to combat)
If someone has a good trigger finger and a stopwatch, could they time the Omega Special on Zorephet (axe) with and without the new Sorceress arcana?

I feel like I'm averaging similar times with and without the arcana, but maybe it's just my low reaction speed and coordination..

[spare kite]

Most channeling stuff doesn't work with it yeah

Only metallic droplet and sudden cleaver do

[slim marten]

Hope that is a bug that'll be fixed, I don't necessarily mind the Sorceress changes, but my god does Axe omegas feel like asking to get hit on high fear

[spare kite]

You can dash while channeling the O.special to keep some safety

[slim marten]

aye, that has been helpful.

[spare kite]

But yeah this thing has been a mess for a while, time slow didn't work with the first few patches

[serene plover]

how should i build aspect of pan?

[serene flame]

Zeus or Hera as special, u will kill many enemies quickly as u use cast

[serene plover]

😁 👍

[serene flame]

use the First acana card to charge more quick

maybe with freeze or wick cast to put enemies together or stop them from attacking

and use double Olympic boon curse acana card to deal more 50% damage

[uneven palm]

Poseidon special is the no-brainer. Get good hammers (Spiral, Reaper, Sudden, Dancing) and origination online and you’re set

[amber dagger]

whats good on staff

[past mist]

momus?

[amber dagger]

sure

[cursive oyster]

mirrored plus wicked thrasher or like storm ring

[past mist]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1005263281730105504/1307790042323746938/image.png?ex=673b95e3&is=673a4463&hm=66f9dfed55b8e40ba721400717493e509b47e98a068fa7bf53255c2ff9c1e4d7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1691&height=407

this is recent pickups on clears. but honestly, anything that lets you spam omegas is good on it

[iron grail]

how doe damage resistance from island getaway combine with reduced damage from Strength ?

something like (1-50%)(1-15%) ?

[past mist]

the way you don't want

multiplicative for DR, additive for damage%

[proven citrus]

is engagement ring just. the worst cast?

[amber dagger]

Yea

[uneven palm]

I dunno, Hitch on a crowd is pretty nice

[magic moss]

all of the cast boons are good in their own way for different niches, theres no worst cast

[past salmon]

that would be tidal ring

maybe anvil
I think ER is worth way more than the 2 "just worse than storm ring" damage casts

[proven citrus]

i feel like if i want a cast that inflicts a curse i would prefer demeter then hestia then aphrodite then apollo then hera

although i would never pick up apollo's cast for the curse just because his dash is so busted

anvil ring is nice imo

at equivalent rarity anvil does more damage than storm ring so long as you're hitting at least 2 targets

my beef with anvil is that it has no synergies

[pseudo sequoia]

anvil ring to me is very much a "if i literally have no other options but don't need a cast boon it's nice" kind of cast

never any reason to take it over any of the better casts but it does good damage and it's convenient

[proven citrus]

yeah, i understand why it doesn't benefit from stuff like vent and caldera but it does make it really lame

[surreal hazel]

Loves cast danage bonuses though

And is a prereq for seismic hammer at least

[proven citrus]

It doesn’t though, right? Any boons that say they increase cast damage by a % only increase your omega cast damage

[blissful sphinx]

I thought Lucid gain + Local climate was broken

Then I found out about Lucid gain + Geyser Spout

[uneven palm]

You can have Local Climate on that too!

[blissful sphinx]

ooooooh for the cast buff! I hadn't thought of that

[low bear]

Tidal should just have innate slip tbh

[gleaming ice]

agreed on the two casts you listed - tidal is... very bad

[formal dome]

Is there any build system to quickly fit main boons slots according to requirements ? Got a build idea that seem to work, need the finishing touch ...

[timber pawn]

You mean like a website or something? I don't believe so

[formal dome]

@timber pawn I think I could build a build around Aphrodite/Hephaestus/Hera/Hestia that could go fetch up to all 10 infusion, 2 legendaries (aphrodite/hera) nervous wreck/all together and 3-4 duo boons that might fit, could be broken with chaos/hermes giving elements and hera raising boons rarity of one step being like a pom power on every boon.

[blissful sphinx]

if I'm not wrong, you can sell All Together and just have her give it to you again lol

[half sigil]

Engagement ring is kinda good

I take that whenever I want hitch but want a different attack/special boon

[glossy rivet]

is hera atk thanatos axe still the good overall option for axe spin build?

gonna check if thanatos only affects non omega atk speed though maybe mel axe would be good too with raki or heckuba

w8 mel axe only says attack power
attack (singular), so no boost to omega atk dmg?

[glossy rivet]

also
yooo i think rarifying stalwart stand into heroic gives me TWO dd?

yup mel axe doesnt increase omega spin damage, but it does make dash-strike stronger

[crimson wharf]

Does anyone have a good build for the umbral flames? Eris just killed me twice in a row 😭

[spare kite]

Moros born gain hera attack and zeus special always works

Do O.special then hold attack next to your enemies and watch them suddenly die

[frail mountain]

Thanks for this tip. Just tried it and absolutely rolled through Eris and Prometheus

[spare kite]

Moros moment

[frail mountain]

What is currently considered an absolutely OP build?

[magic moss]

pan poseidon

[half sigil]

My beloved

[iron grail]

does primed magic trigger the huntress card or do you actually need to spend magic to be below your primed maximum ?

[half sigil]

Below minimum primed

[iron grail]

thanks

[hybrid bear]

@neon maple I appreciate your feedback but considering hades 1 didn’t have that kind of obstacle AT ALL for first run and considering how hard it is already w/0 her appearance it doesn’t seem justified

Perhaps if you are a 50 fear speedrunner it is no problem but for people who are not as advanced if you see eris first run u have to give up

[timber pawn]

not following the conversation so I'm not sure what was said, but you can avoid the Eris encounter if you leave the boss at under 50% hp

[hybrid bear]

It’s actually 30% I know :’f

:’(

[neon maple]

You don't have to give up, though. Eris nerfs your durability, but she doesn't do anything to slow down your damage, and on a fresh file you're on no Vow of Frenzy. Maybe it's annoying to hear 'just don't get hit,' but that's honestly all it takes. On early runs, your effective health pool is gonna be so low that even without Eris' debuff, you can't really afford to take hits.

To establish where I'm coming from: I consider myself 'solid but not exceptional' at the game; I have one 32-fear clear each for the Underworld and the surface. I cleared 32-fear on the Underworld the first time I tried it (run #148), though that was after a lot of failed 20-24 runs. The surface took me two attempts at 32 fear (run #150), again after losing a lot in the low-to-mid-twenties. With that done, I now play casually at 16 fear; enough to keep things interesting, but avoiding the vows that I personally find really annoying.

I personally doubt I will ever attempt a fresh file clear; that's not really an appealing part of the game for me. But if I did, I wouldn't want the experience nerfed to make it easier. If I want the bragging rights, then I want the challenge amped up, so that getting to brag about it is more impressive.

TBH I didn't even know about the 'exiting bosses at low health' mechanic as a way to avoid her. Honestly it seems kinda out of place to me.

Even putting aside the mechanical stuff, I think it's good for the game's narrative that it pumps the brakes on players getting through too early. If Mel is full clearing in the first 1-5 runs, then her dynamic with Nemesis just kinda completely breaks down.

[timber pawn]

ah, ya under 50% after the well

[hybrid bear]

I see where you’re coming from as a story perspective and you have a point. I’m in the same boat as you w a few 32 fear clears and trying fresh file clears as a challenge. I get it it’s STRIFE incarnate so she gets a pass to be chaotic but for me I’d like to be able to see how far I can go without literally a vow of pain on me. I already have like no DD and am the mercy of RNG. It would feel much more balanced to me w/o her butting in already.And in terms of the usual player they wouldn’t even get very far anyway so Eris is a moot point for me. I just think it’ll be more enjoyable and balanced wo Eris and it’ll be fun to have Eris be a surprise for later on the surface

[neon crown]

how do i see a boon list so i know requirements for leg boons and stuff?

i cant seem to find anything that opens one in the game

[surreal hazel]

two nectar to that god

[hybrid bear]

Book of Shadows

[neon crown]

i have that

[surreal hazel]

before you see it

[neon crown]

why do i need two nectarrr

[surreal hazel]

one for the keepsake, one for the boon list

[neon maple]

Maybe I'm biased by the precise experience I had; coming off of... I think 150ish hours in the first game? But essentially my 'new player experience' as a Hades I veteran felt amazingly well paced.

• I died to something stupid in Erebus on my very first run (I think one of the little spinners?) but after that, I got through Hecate the first time I fought her
• Eris' appearance at the start of Oceanus was fascinating and unexpected. I limped through Oceanus taking a lot of punishment and died to Scylla.
• I ran into Eris a couple more times figuring out Oceanus until I finally cleared Scylla, then immediately died in the fields. At this point I stopped running into Eris in Oceanus.
• She similarly made my life difficult in the fields for several runs, though I think I got through in spite of her "blessing" on the 2nd or third attempt.
• Each time I managed to beat a boss for the first time, she would move to the next biome on the next run. I originally thought that was how the mechanic worked.
• My first defeat of Chronos was the first run in which I wasn't debuffed by Strife. It was incredibly exciting when I got into Tartarus and she wasn't there; I had had kind of a rough run and wasn't doing great, but knowing that I didn't have to deal with increased damage was a big morale boost.
• From there I didn't see her again until several surface runs. (I died a lot on the boats in Thessaly, IIRC) When I did, I was very excited to finally get a chance at vengeance for the grief she'd caused me. Eris being Eris, this still took a few attempts before I figured out the fight, but it was incredibly satisfying when I did.

My takeaway is that, overall, her debuff made me far more likely to slow down in my sightreading of new enemies' attacks. With the punishment amped up, I had to learn fast, and Eris motivated me to do so. I see something similar in the Testament scaling in bursts of 4 instead of one, where it pushes you to improve faster.

[silent crow]

the difficulty should roadblock you by natural challenge not an arbitrary debuff

people got stuck in hades 1 a lot too and that game didnt need the eris blessing

it got off by just being demanding

the entirety of elysium is a really well done bottleneck for new players

[hybrid bear]

I love how this would definitely give you a thirst for vengeance against her omg
Honestly reading that whole thing sounds rough
I personally don’t like her showing up at all but I can see your point- story wise esp so when you DO get to take her down it is sweet vengeance

It’s hilarious how her showing up is causing such discord xD

But I guess we’ll see in the next patch what they’ll end up doing

Until then I’ll have to suck it up and deal with her (aaaaaa)

Was fun talking about it tho and appreciate the civility 🙂

[hybrid bear]

Omg elysium vietnam flashbacks w all the warriors and the shield guys

Also totally agree my dude. When I first got to Elysium I got my butt handed to me

Almost died immediately

[neon maple]

New players got stuck a lot in Hades 1, because it was the first one. From the folks I've talked to about it, people who played a lot of the first game ran into Eris; people who just played some and then tucked it away (or presumably people who started with Hades II, though I dunno how many people that's gonna be) didn't run into her until the end of Thessaly.

Eris as a mechanic exists to prevent players who've already played a ton of a very similar game from powering through the whole story without getting to actually feel The Vibes™️ established in the crossroads.

Agreed that Elysium was (and honestly, still is) brutal. Ugh. ;_; Greatshields, my beloathed.

[silent crow]

even if youve played something like this before i just feel like 0 fear hades 2 is not hard enough/ does not have many interesting difficulty stumps

[lament spoke]

Elysium was the only biome I made it through first try

this is because. uh. I died a lot in tart and asphodel 👍

[neon crown]

took me about 45 runs to clear hades 1 for the first time and about a third of that for hades 2. being my first game like that def had a lot to do with it

[silent crow]

very rarely did i go "oh damn" on my playthrough of hades 2

it was like the sheep hex, accidently bricking my entire build, and my first death to chronos were the only notable "gottem" moments

[hybrid bear]

I gotta say when the surface first came out that was BRUTAL lollll

[silent crow]

meanwhile in h1 that stupid bull killed me like 1 morbillion times and then i got to styx and died to poison and quit the game for 2 months

[silent crow]

surface is actually pretty hard & fun it feels in line difficulty wise but there r a lot of weird issues with it

[neon maple]

Unfortunately I don't know my original 'first clear' counter from Hades 1. The save file got deleted at some point, and the replacement one I made was (I think) right after full release, so I'd already learned Elysium well enough to start getting to Styx quickly. My existing save file I think escaped for the first time on attempt... 15ish? I would need to boot up the game to check.

That said, I remember dying to Theseus a lot when I first played. The great sieve of Hades 1. x.x

[hybrid bear]

I feel you w the poison those disgusting satyrs and their “kaput-tweeeh!” Makes me wanna vomit

[neon crown]

also ive given 2 nectar to hestia and cant see boon list

[hybrid bear]

Oh did you do an incantation for the boons yet

[silent crow]

i see a lot of people complaining about the surface midboss and its likr

[neon crown]

theres a incantation for that?

[hybrid bear]

Yup

[silent crow]

you chose that room dude 😭😭😭 ur not supposed to be able to punt all the midbosses

[neon crown]

how have i cleared four times and not seen it

[hybrid bear]

Have any of you guys wanted to just give up immediately when you accidentally picked the huge butterfly chamber in elysium on your first runs?

That was the bane of my existence lolll

[silent crow]

i never struggled with that room fsr

[spare kite]

Big butterfly is so annoying early on/no armor breach

[hybrid bear]

Danggggg mad props when I first played hades I dreaded that room

[silent crow]

i will die on command to big chariot corporation however

[neon crown]

meg > load 4 casts > bull rush

[spare kite]

Once you get meg you can bully it

[neon maple]

The shielded satyr? I don't mind the fight per se, though I do wish that his character model communicated what directions he blocks from more clearly.

[half sigil]

Isn't nyx supposed to buff the damage of your attack? on top of extending the range

[silent crow]

no it only gives you extra reach

its an odd aspecy

[spare kite]

The split attacks have reduced dmg depending on the aspect's rank

[surreal hazel]

and splitting missiles that are programmed not to target whatever the original missile split on

[silent crow]

it has very good hex synergy tho

[hybrid bear]

Honest to god ALLL the shielded satyrs block WAY too much

[half sigil]

yea i knew about missiles but i was under the impression it was making the attack harder

[silent crow]

i rmbr getting bloodline and wolf howl with it

[surreal hazel]

tbh the most value I seem to get out of nyx is the ram attack itself, it seems to be treated as an omega of some kind

[silent crow]

omega boost into 1000 damage and repeat

[silent crow]

it is treated as an omega yes

[surreal hazel]

but not an omega attack, special or cast

[silent crow]

bloodline omega boost is goated asf

[surreal hazel]

but hey, for those runs where you get some mad Chant action going, it's hilarious

[half sigil]

i like the extgended range but idk why i thought it was dealing more dmg

[silent crow]

basically double damage omega boost

and more fuel for hex & heartthrob

[surreal hazel]

has an odd bug with beach ball though

unless they fixed it, having your dash forcibly ended by the Ram attack doesn't disconnect the beach ball from behind you

so it just kinda hangs behind you while you're walking still, not quite sure what to do with itself

[formal dome]

Is that build decent ?

Just can't grab demeter legendary with all theses legendary/duo boons, with nervous wreak for origination and Hera All together to fetch as many infusions boons as possible maybe even all 10 infusions boons, Poseidon make low tier rewards better, hera raise all boons rarity to uncommon to make the build more effective.

Not really sure Demeter and Poseidon are best partners in the 4 gods pool intended meta.

https://i.imgur.com/2GGy9fE.png

[surreal hazel]

Getting an early Natural Selection can really help though

[spare kite]

This is the type of greed we talk in the bible

[formal dome]

Mel skull (power), raki (crit) could be good, hephaestus/hestia could be better damage wise than demeter/poseidon but not sure about it ...

[spare kite]

6 duos and 2 legendaries 😭

[neon crown]

skull is really confusing to me tbh the attack has 3 ammo and feels kinda weak

[past salmon]

Lmfao

Tbh I don't know why I didn't just use this build for 55F!

[formal dome]

@neon crown Damage is calculated a weird way :

Damage = Base Damage
× (1 + Sum of Critical Damage Bonus)
× (1 + Sum of Regular Damage Bonuses)
× (Product of (1 - Damage Reductions))

Power add to base damage, most offensive effects are additives in the regular bonuses, criticals are basicly % based 3x multiplier, then damage reductions are multiplicatives.

Aphrodite/Hestia could raise power so seem perfect fit for mel skull or mel axe.

3 hammers affect power of the skulls, if you put the highest % based attack/special on top, it should get crazy.

Mel axe has 2 hammers for power including the most insane one.

[cursive oyster]

you don’t really want additional power when you already have high power boosts, taking colossus slash for +10 power on mel axe bumps base damage on the first hit from 75-85, while taking base power on weapons that don’t already have high power is much more efficient. taking colossus slash on thanatos axe boosts the base damage from 40 -> 50, a 20% damage increase compared to mel axe’s ~13%

[surreal hazel]

was about to say

[neon crown]

doing one of the chaos trials and now i have two boon options

after shop i have literally EVERY aphro boon

lmaoo

[idle lodge]

Running medea aspect, would it be good to have zeus blitz on both attack and special? Thinking the blitzes trigger instantly then

[silent crow]

no you just want it on special blitz doesnt work like that

[idle lodge]

Oh ok.. why not blitz on attack then? Or that works too?

[past salmon]

you can only have 1 blitz effect applied at a time

and its better to put it on the low base damage special and then put a % boost on the high base damage attack

[idle lodge]

Gotcha. What atk boon would be good in that case for example?

[half sigil]

Hera probably tbh

[idle lodge]

Does that mean if i have blitz on both it keeps reapplying and never triggering? 😛

[past salmon]

no it just applies once and triggers and then applies once and triggers

[half sigil]

It will trigger but just some hit won’t apply it cause it’s already there

[idle lodge]

Ah kk gotcha. Thanks

So there’s no benefit only wasted boon space

[half sigil]

Yea

[barren lark]

I feel as though the staff could use a little more oomph. Something about it feels just a little bit off, not sure of anyone else has the same opinion

[fathom terrace]

the thing thats wrong is that it is not the gigachad axe

[timber epoch]

Staff is best weapon

Aslong as u get mirrored thrasher 🤣

[spice geode]

I had a very fun build last night, and I'm trying to calculate the damage output I had. Does anyone know exactly how Scorch works?

Specifically, I was using Aspect of Pan with Flame Flourish + Pyro Technique. With the Spiral Knives hammer, I was able to throw 20 seeking knives. I have a couple questions about how scorch is applied.

1. My level 5 Epic Flame Flourish has 50 Scorch damage. Am I correct in my assumption that it is added base scorch damage (80?) making it 130dps, then with +100% damage rate from Pyro Technique it's 260dps?
2. How exactly does hitting a target multiple times with scorch work? Are they simply reapplying the status effect with no additional scorch damage?

[frail scroll]

i've been writing off moros torches since release, however, they're actually quite nice

[slow owl]

What is the best aspect for exagryph?

[half sigil]

For exagryph aspect of mel for sure

[slow owl]

my apologies i meant hades 1

[wise idol]

Scorch does base 80 dps. The only thing that affects this is pyro technique. What the “scorch damage” is, is the amount of scorch applied. Imagine adding 50 scorch to a “pool” of scorch, which then depletes at the rate of your scorch dps. Applying scorch to multiple enemies just creates different scorch “pools” for each enemy

Hopefully that clears it up a bit!

[spice geode]

ok! so if I hit a target with all 20 knives, that means I'd apply 1000 scorch (50*20) which then applies at a rate of 160dps?

that tracks a lot more with what I was experiencing

[wise idol]

Yep!

[spice geode]

LMAO ok then with all my damage buffs applied, those 20 knives did a total of 3400 damage + 1000 scorch 😂

which explains how I downed Chronos phase 2 in 4 bursts lolol

[neon crown]

im guessing the hestia/demeter duo is really good for scorch builds right?

[timber epoch]

All it does is knock off the scorch that's on the enemy when you hit the initial freeze. So ideally you would have to stack up a bunch of scorch and then freeze. You can see big numbers if u can stack scorch really high and then freeze

And every boss wipes scorch when they do a teleport or an invincibility ability so can't even stack it that high

[past mist]

#h2-victory-boasting message
anyone have any idea what incandescent aura would show up as? because there's... basically no way that i did less than 7k damage with it. had it since early oceanus, and the whole build was focused around spamming shells on enemies, dumping all my magick with possessed array, and gaining it back with warmth gain

[tulip heath]

what do people build on the selene coat?

[harsh glacier]

I haven't played in so long what are the current good builds ;w;

is aphrodite sister blades still good?

[silent crow]

its solid but hestia/poseidon is better

[silent crow]

death arcana card, start moon beam keepsake and do whatever

cycle between ospecial & oatk and spam sky fall

[tulip heath]

kk

[harsh glacier]

did they take time slowing out?

[tulip heath]

it's on an arcane card now

[harsh glacier]

ohhh

gosh I feel like a noob again ;w;

[spare kite]

Keepsake*

[tulip heath]

i'm a doofus

[spare kite]

It was an arcana before

[harsh glacier]

is it on an arcana card now too or just the keepsake

[tulip heath]

just the keepsake

[harsh glacier]

aw

[spare kite]

Arcana is now channeling speed buff > Hecate's keepsake has timeslow now (nerfed btw) > Hecate's old effect is now a charon well item

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1308277543312429056/image.png?ex=673d5be8&is=673c0a68&hm=8717336470954227c0436686ab746970f09181b9ca2c98505c7cf63dcef05b69& lol

[timber pawn]

I've seen it show up as like necrotic aura or something I think. Possessed array and everything else probably killed enemies before aura could touch them

[amber dagger]

Stalwart stand isnt it stalwart defense

[past mist]

should've still been way more than the 7k from special. just on chronos alone 500 damage per normal attack would've gotten beyond 7k within 14 attacks

[magic moss]

nope its stand

[timber pawn]

I know what the text of the boon says but unfortunately I don't think it is as effective as we think it is 🤷

[timber epoch]

Where r u getting 500 damage per normal atk

Isn't it 500% of mana regened

[past mist]

... you're right, that's not 500, why would i say something so silly

it's 5000.

[magic moss]

anyways we hit >400 total 50F clears already

[timber epoch]

Nerds

[past mist]

the good news is i'm only doing 1 more UW clear then i'm done bothering you about it until i get good enough for 51+ or surface :p

[magic moss]

all good

its actually slowed down quite a bit i only got 18 clears in 48 hours

[timber epoch]

Everyone dying in surface 🤣

[magic moss]

oh fr

im trying to get people to play surface with the whole bounty thing

[amber dagger]

What bounty

[timber epoch]

If there's an entire biome after prom when the game is done then I don't think I'll even do a 32 surface clear 😂 bad enough already

[past mist]

does surface have the video requirement too or just 51+?

[magic moss]

just 51+

i just need surface clears to happen, a video would be great tho X)

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1308280070812733541/image.png?ex=673d5e43&is=673c0cc3&hm=93578ecc0a61252eb9b422c9570730861ca3f3a1df36c61f78f47d4e3e93f4dc&

[past mist]

fair, but right now i'm trying to pick between which one i'll be doing, and the one where i can procrastinate a technical problem might win out

[timber epoch]

Can't believe boated hasn't done it yet 🙄

[past mist]

hmm

there's still some tempting weapons up for grabs on the bounty board... but also i have done exactly 1 successful surface run since olympic patch

[timber epoch]

Specifically Mel staff of course

[past mist]

but yeah i did my singular 32f prom clear and then stopped playing surface

[timber epoch]

Yup i hate it

[past mist]

i think they fixed the thing i actually disliked

(prom being hidden behind visual effects)

[timber epoch]

I had a build with steam on it and couldn't see him whatsoever. At least I could see the steam

[past mist]

hmm

now that i've done all the aspects on 50f i should try to rank them by how hard they are to do 50f on at some point

... although, kinda hard when the earliest ones were clearly made harder by being first, so can't do it by anything like amount of attempts and stuff

medea's probably the hardest? unless it's your favourite aspect, then it's mid tier difficulty, because the largest amount of its difficulty is the lack of transferable skills from using other weapons

[past salmon]

a take

[past mist]

:p

idk, i did only do it once. but it's a very powerful weapon

[past salmon]

I think its hard to call Medea the hardest when its one of the few weapons that can always win even with the most absurdly bad RNG

like comically never seen before bad RNG btw

[past mist]

true

[past salmon]

I think every aspect can win even with generic "bad" rng

[past mist]

but - consider that you're the exact person who i'm saying it's not hard for :p

[past salmon]

I think my take is valid

Compare it to like Persephone which can just lose from RNG

[past mist]

your take is valid - i'm just going a bit more generic than just 'how possible is it for this weapon to do 50f' and more 'how hard is it going to be for someone to do what i did, basically learn every aspect on the fly to complete it on 50f'

medea has a high learning curve just as a weapon, seperately from 50f

and if you've done anything else on 50f, it's possibly the weapon you can use the fewest of the skills you got from that for

i know it's also the weapon ellie is having trouble with after doing every other weapon

[steep rivet]

Curious, why is that the case with Medea?

[past salmon]

Because it does damage

at a base

[steep rivet]

Yeah I see.

[past salmon]

you can comfortably beat timer for most of the game without even getting core boons probably

[steep rivet]

Talking about this, where does Mel coat stand at the moment? I saw some saying it’s super strong but I never felt it being as smooth as some other weapons for me

Haven’t played it too much yet but I felt like damage was somewhat lagging. Probably more of “me” issue though with wrong boons

[versed nexus]

What build would you suggest for medea? I'm trying to turn away from my knives and torches and try something new

[past mist]

well, it was one of the aspects i one-shot. i think it's easily one of the simplest ones to finish 50f

but it was also my last one

[past salmon]

Zeus on Special is the main thing
Attack just wants any % based one

[steep rivet]

How do I best build it?

[past salmon]

I have no idea about Mel Coat tbh
I've only played it once at 50F and a couple of times for anyfear speeds (Coat feels terrible for anyfear lmfao)

[past mist]

hera on either attack or special, whichever one you want to prioritize, and then just.. standard stuff from there tbh. good hammers boosting whichever you went with, zeus or demeter cast. or any cast really. maybe a freeze or blitz on the attack/special you aren't using

but this is just.. one build

not 'best build' necesssarily. was just simple 'best generic build to run on almost any weapon' tbh

[past salmon]

Anyfear build is either romantic spark or Pos Attack/Static Shock/Support fire/Zeus special etc
Basically flat damage soup and then stack up global buffs suck as slip/shameless/perfect image

[steep rivet]

Cool will try.

[past mist]

the build foolish mentions works in high fear too we think? pos attack, static shock, zeus special should still be more than fine at 50f

hestia attack too

[past salmon]

yeh

[past mist]

most of the time if we don't know an aspect we just throw on hera keepsake and go

it works 100% of the time, and is the best choice like 75% of the time

[magic moss]

this is actually one of the things I dislike about doing the stats page, like its cool and all but just using it as a way to build cuts off a lot of potential innovation in builds because people will take what has the highest success

olympic patch eos with special focused builds and pan poseidon starting to take off again are 2 big examples of this, where these builds were not the go to in patch 4 and was also repeated in the olympic patch for like the first week after the patch released

[past mist]

yeah i know, but when there's 18 weapons to knock out sometimes i just throw on the easy option unless i have a fun idea 😔

trying to be more flexible with core boons lately though

[past mist]

there's also a couple weapons that seem to just have stats that are mostly from a bunch of quick reclears where the stats have moved very heavily into that hera attack/zeus or demeter cast style when there used to be other stuff present in p4

[magic moss]

thats the point

[past mist]

ah misread

[magic moss]

for the next major update, especially if theres the hidden aspects, I’m not going to release the misc stats until like 2 weeks into the patch so people cant look at pure stats

that + hide the previous misc stats pages as well to see if we can get some different looking clears other than hera hera hera hera zeus

[past mist]

unless they nerf hera and zeus, it's too late

we don't have to look at the stats page to know that hera/zeus or hera/demeter works on most things

[magic moss]

[past mist]

what are some weapons you wish we saw more build diversity on?

[magic moss]

at this poijt its nigh impossible to say because any fun/cool builds I with people would try out are just objectively worse than hera zeus

that or it would require really good rng to pull off

I think llzergll in patch 4 was my fav runner for this very reason, most of their clears were nuts

[past mist]

fair

i really wish i had managed my geyser spout build for mel staff

but it took so many pieces just to get online

[pseudo sequoia]

yea it's kinda unfortunate that most builds beyond hera/zeus can't get started super easily

i love aspect of persephone but you need like three boons minimum to get a good run going

[past salmon]

the problem with memey builds at 50F is that the more you go for Meme builds the more unfun it gets 💀
Like sure I could clear with some goofy ahh pos attack steam Medea build but why tf would I do that to myself

[twilit timber]

What are the gains like now? I noticed born gain was good but was struggling in fields and a little bit in rift because of multiple encounters per location, but other than that I haven't really clicked with any

Aphro seems cool because it's basically auto gain but it's pretty weak and I usually have to pom it a couple of times to suffice

I kinda like Zeus especially with low mp per omega builds where I only need to pick up the orb once or twice per encouter at most. Poseidon is just a worse zeus and idk about the rest

I don't like lucid because skill issue, I can't stay in my cast and not take damage

[lusty heron]

hestia is nice on attack or special focused builds
apollo great on cast focussed builds

[twilit timber]

At which point might just pick up heph gain lol

[lusty heron]

hecuba can solve alot of early to mid magic problems even allowing some weaker gain boons to be good enough

[twilit timber]

I can see lucid working well with the Poseidon insta cast boom build

[lusty heron]

also i would say poseidon is more like hestia then zeus

[twilit timber]

Ohh I need to get the new pets, I have been doing mostly surface runs because I need a ton of surface materials for arcana and stuff, should probably start going down

[lusty heron]

you can get them through chaos trials as well

especially for raki i would recommend chaos trials

since you need to get to the fountain chamber 2 times

[twilit timber]

Any writeup on how to get the new pets?

[lusty heron]

and it feels it appears alot less then the echo chamber

get to fountain interact / feed raki

[twilit timber]

Ic, that should be simple enough

[lusty heron]

then it was a bit unclear i think you have to have fed each of the 3 pets and maybe done a run with them
and maybe met hecuba in echos chamber
to get a dialogue with hekate to be allowed to get hecuba on your next echo chamber visit

[twilit timber]

Oh ok, my pets are both base level guess it's gonna be a bit of a grind

[lusty heron]

well synergizes well with doing chaos trials =D to make the stardust into food

[timber epoch]

I got raki before I even unlocked the surface

[lusty heron]

yes ?
what i said doesnt conflict that

[timber epoch]

Wait no I didn't 🤣 I got him in the docks

[lusty heron]

are you conflicting toula with raki

cat and bird

[timber epoch]

I literally just woke up and I don't know what u said or what I said. Ignore everything

[lusty heron]

...

[timber epoch]

I thought u meant u needed to get to the fountain chamber on Olympus to get raki

[lusty heron]

i didnt

[timber epoch]

My bad

[lusty heron]

@twilit timberi guess i didnt write
raki is in the fountain chamber in erebus

[prime viper]

How different is combat in Hades II from the first Hades? This is coming from someone who only has a switch atm and hasn’t seen much other than pieces of dialogue. I just want to know how much it threw off some people here playing for the first time

[lusty heron]

biggest change for me is that you dont get multiple dashes anymore
and that the cast is a cctool at baseline

[spare kite]

Is less button mashy thank to the dashes change

[split igloo]

new player just learning and trying out Eos and failing pretty spectacularly lol. any good tips for playstyle? Never sure how often I should recast omega attack rather than just letting it sit out there

[timber epoch]

You just hold the attack button constantly 😂. Get a good magick regen and you're set

[split igloo]

Lol well im dumb then was trying out some omega combo build w death arcana, guess back to basics lol ty

[silent crow]

omega combos are good too

[split igloo]

any particular builds or setups you look for with this?

[silent crow]

any % based attack and any % based special are good

[teal fractal]

someone give me a weapon and god to use

[cursive oyster]

staff (any aspect) with zeus

[teal fractal]

bet

[tall notch]

If you want to hold attack, any form of regen will be enough. Even Unseen

[teal fractal]

just beat the run

amazing rng especially with double strike + the hammer for the staff where it hits twice but costs magick

really fun

[serene flame]

normal omega attack: zezs, hera, poseidon aid (when use omega, generate spirit around first enemy), if u use magic less, then do not choose Dog as partner(if u really need bark dizzy then ignore), use the acana card 3, less than 100% magic, more damage

[obsidian remnant]

@magic moss i hope this is the right place to ping you! i just found your 50+ Fear Resources spreadsheet (and it's incredible btw, thank you). i noticed two of the vows on the Fear Vow Details tab have different descriptions than in-game - Vow of Fangs and Vow of Shadow.

here's an example for Fangs: the spreadsheet says "In each Encounter, you take bonus damage the first time you are struck."
in-game it says "Most foes with armor have X random perks."

i just started playing again after a long absence, probably since the month the game was released into EA, so i'm not sure if those vows got updated in patch 6 and were simply missed on the spreadsheet or if they're intended to be practical explanations of what that fear actually does.

[spare kite]

Lol that's the vow of suffering description

[magic moss]

OOPS

going to fix those right now, thank you for bringing those up to my attention. And yes, this is the right place to ping me. Thanks!

[obsidian remnant]

no worries, thank you!!

[magic moss]

shouold be fully updated, thanks again!

[obsidian remnant]

looks good, ty for responding so quickly!

[magic moss]

i was meaning to ask, how did you come across the resource sheet? was it through the main clear sheet?

[obsidian remnant]

i googled around for a xinth guide bc i'm doing fear runs with it and found this post, and from there i found it from the clears sheet! https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1gby4ht/a_guide_on_xinth_the_black_coat/

i didn't expect to find such helpful resources when i googled, tbh haha

[magic moss]

aye haha

[past mist]

success upon ye

[peak coyote]

Does anyone have any good build recommendations for the staff? I’m trying to beat Prometheus on 16 fear

[uneven palm]

For any of them, get mirrored or wicked thrasher and bonk stuff with the attack combo is the best build probably. Momus and Mel you can take the Death Arcana and cycle through Omegas with big percentage boosts on ‘em

Here’s a 32F Surface Circe where I hard pivoted into Wicked Thrasher https://youtu.be/VqBtDM4zBbc?si=FBpxhMNPKNrRS51C

I also like building Circe where you start Poseidon special for clearing rooms with the bouncing special, and because Poseidon’s in the pool you can go for Geyser Spout for big damage during Serenity. Looks like this: https://youtu.be/humdhJDHIO4?si=4R0TS9V1U-vMVx39

[next prairie]

guys Im playin a build currently and I wonder if I should suicide

it hurts for 900 per hit but holy moly its slow

its just axe of selene with the hammer that makes it so that each hit is just the last combo hit

I dont understand the axe,it does ridiculous amount of damage without any condition

[stable lichen]

axe of selene?

[stable lichen]

than makes it a lot faster and charon is a completely different playstyle

[next prairie]

thats how I call the axe of the moon

I dont know her english name and it sounds like selene the moon goddess

[stable lichen]

melinoe?

[next prairie]

axe selenique

[spare kite]

Full name is like moonlit axe or smth no

[next prairie]

thats how the french version calls it

[stable lichen]

ohhhhh

i was thinking of aspects not just zorephet

the moonstone axe

[next prairie]

ye zorephet,I dont have the aspect yet

[stable lichen]

it gets a lot better with the aspects

[next prairie]

Ik I want thanatos'

[timber epoch]

Aspect of than gives it 30% atk speed
Maxed

[next prairie]

but rn Im locked in a run made to piss me off it seems,I want it to fail but somehow it works

[timber epoch]

Also don't suicide. Work with what you have. If you win, you win. If you fail, you learn from ur mistakes 😀

[next prairie]

ok ok

[timber epoch]

You can also get rapid slash hammer and nimble limbs from hermes to increase ur atk speed, but I'd definitely recommend using than for hell splitter hammer

[next prairie]

the fields of mourning are a great concept but finding the reward is so boring

[timber epoch]

Just find a tree to light up

[next prairie]

no I mean the reward locked by red thingy

[timber epoch]

Ohh the actual encounters

[next prairie]

anyway it seems like dedalus hammer will be my way to go for this run(which is a weird thing to say)

[stable lichen]

charon doest really play like an axe

its more like a carpet bomber which is really fun

i can probably count the number of times i ever pressed attack on charon on one hand

[grizzled timber]

no 50f surface today, timer is too tight https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/930173412012343376/1308558812566917200/image.png?ex=673e61dc&is=673d105c&hm=77f22b4197b4764660169290474642a067bd91afdaab860c9977abbcad6021b5&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1202&height=676

bring fig leaf = die to prom, bring pin = die to time

[civic salmon]

is there any kind of general consensus on which aspects are best?

[grizzled timber]

Moros then axes if i had to guess

[civic salmon]

i just cannot get those flames to work

[low bear]

Moros does a bajillion damage. Just omega special and spam attack near enemies. Zeus spec is best and Hera attack is best.

[amber dagger]

I like heastia attk with dem on special

[hollow briar]

Depends on the Fear level really, but overall strongest is between Medea, Moros, and Thanatos

Any of the Coats also work, but they're moreso just consistent where those three can pump out insane damage (more Moros and Medea than Than, but still)

[half sigil]

Pan moros and Medea

If I had to guess

Pan is hammer dépendant but if you get spiral it’s absurd

[half sigil]

Is that Charon? Kinda hard to see

[grizzled timber]

yup

[half sigil]

Nice

Honestly I just leafed Olympus not even for time but cause the room are scary

[grizzled timber]

last time i did go leaf but ended up with too much time to spare and not enough survivability for prom

like, 3min left and still had 1 leaf charge unused

[half sigil]

That’s usually how it goes lol yea

[grizzled timber]

lemme take 2 leaf charges and 1/3 of a pin

[half sigil]

You can’t have 1/3 pin but you’ll have 2 leaf procs don’t worry

[polar sapphire]

How do people beat prometheus with than axe? I always get killed because I move too slow

[velvet sentinel]

I'd try to get Demeter early and often

[lusty heron]

you can not do the 3rd hit or use dash strikes or like charon and do ranged

[fallow wren]

A hell of a good build:
Axe
Hestia Attack
Aphrodite Gain
Hestia Cast or Special
Hestia/Aphro Duo
Hestia/Demeter Duo

Use the Omega Attack to build up ludicrous amounts of scorch that will never decrease and then press the other button for Demeter to instantly deal 1k+ damage

I haven't tried axe on Prom yet

[fallow wren]

My advice would be to use Thanatos (+30% attack speed is helpful), get Psychic Whirlwind hammer (allows you to dodge while omega-ing) and a good attack boon (Aphro or Apollo if you're not running Origination, or Hestia, Zeus, and Hera if you are, then pair it with a curse afflicting cast or Aphro gain). If you have evil eye set up, use that for general damage increase, and if not, use Blackened Fleece since you're probably gonna be at 250 by that point.

If you have Hestia attack, use Hot Pot for addt'l dodge.
If you have Apollo attack, get Dazzling Display.

Apollo cast and sprint are both really good for inflicting daze to cause him to miss. Sprint is especially good for the memory attack if you need to cross the room quickly, otherwise may need to depend on a Hermes or Chaos boon. (Chaos still increases sprint speed right?)

[slate trench]

Yea psychic hammer is really the only way to play than axe, if you get the hammer that increases omega speed and movement during on top of it its so crazy, you can stack multiple omegas and hustle around with soot sprint and athenas dash taking no dmg and instalkilling everything

[fallow wren]

Okay I just did the run.

Start with Apollo keepsake and get his sprint (+15% speed when rare)
Get Hermes from Ephyra for an extra +15%
Get Circe Word of Smaller Stature for another +15%

You'll be plenty fast enough to dodge the memory attacks

On top of that, I had Hera attack, Hestia cast, and then the Demeter gust on top of the cast to instantly proc Origination.

Psychic Whirlwind hammer.

Took 12 minutes

[grizzled timber]

erebus 50f, shop with 400 gold or chaos and salve gold for end shop?

took chaos, inferno bomb, i died

[spare kite]

Bomb curse is so bad in this game

What weapon were you doing btw

[grizzled timber]

Mel skull, between skulls, revenants and bombs i was so confused lmao

[spare kite]

Yeah I prob would have skipped chaos lol

You only can get max hp/attack bonus no, unless you were gambling possessed later

[grizzled timber]

Havent played skull in forever so just decided to go yolo

But the chaos x shop scenario is a good one for consideration

[spare kite]

Recovering the hp price is a lot harder here for me so I skip them a lot

Maybe if I really need time and there aren't better free rooms, and at least 1 roll for bad curses

[past salmon]

shawp

[agile glade]

Do we have a solid reason why specifically we hate the Argent Skull, or is it just vibes. I hate it too, but can’t articulate why

It caused my first failure in 16 runs

[magic moss]

i like the skulls but it takes a while to get used to

[tall notch]

Chaos messes with room order, so shop would've been better even if you had 0 gold. Won't get scammed out of miniboss that way.

[half sigil]

I don’t think people hate the skull do they?

I don’t like Persephone myself much but the others are fine

[split igloo]

/*9

[brave lynx]

I don't hate the skulls personally. I just wish I got used to them better cause they feel kinda clunky to me

[timber pawn]

People have lots of personal feelings on certain weapons and then make big statements.

I think there are various aspects that need help but overall nothing is so 'non functional' that it needs to be overhauled

[split igloo]

finally got plasma to unlock nyx aspect. Is playstyle for nyx basically just sprint into something - spam like mel aspect while nightspawn up - rinse and repeat?

[timber pawn]

That's the gist of it ya

[fallen veldt]

I just don't like skull with wards. I tend to rely on the omega special as well

[half sigil]

I feel like skulls start slow but get really strong

[timber pawn]

Ya you definitely want hitch or other things to help with wards, but that's not a skull specific issue imo

[half sigil]

At least mel and medea

[timber pawn]

Ya I'm not the biggest persephone fan but my understanding is it works for high fear decently well

Its just kinda slow so not super fun for speeds imo

[half sigil]

Out of all aspect I feel like pers was the worst

For 50f

[timber pawn]

I think @past salmon liked it well enough but he might be an outlier lol

[half sigil]

Maybe i play it wrong idk. It’s the one that gave me the most trouble

[timber pawn]

Nah I believe you haha

[patent meadow]

yeah persephone skull feels really weak compared to every other aspect i have been trying to get a clear with it at 53F and it just is so slow. I die almost always because of timer (two attempts died on cronos fight cause of timer every other attempt dont get past erebus timer)

[idle lodge]

Do people like aspect of Eos? I’ve only played Moros and like it, gonna try Eos now, sounds like it could be fun. The daybreaker ”copies” my specials, I guess that means I trigger it then spam special. Should I renew my omega special when it spawns?

[half sigil]

Your attack

And yea it’s pretty cool, not as strong as moros but it’s fun

[idle lodge]

I know it triggers from omega atk but it says it copies my specials so I suppose I should renew my omega special and spam special after daybreaker is up?

Or do you mean i should spam regular attack while it’s up instead

[half sigil]

Im not the resident Eo’s expert like @tall notch, but pretty sure it’s best to spam attack

[patent meadow]

spamming special on eos is really strong if you get the triple special hammer tho

[idle lodge]

Ah ok. Thanks. I’ll try a bit of both. Just got epic aphro attack as first boon I feel like that will synergize pretty well

[tall notch]

Special Eos has actually gotten much more viable with Hecuba. You can either do the old hera attack spam build or click the death arcana and alternate them for big crits with Zeus on special

[hard finch]

friendship ended with lim&oros, now xinth is my new best friend

[idle lodge]

Loving eos so far, can do huge passive dmg while focusing on dodging enemy attacks easily

[agile glade]

Currently taking on my first 32F Underworld Run with Eos Flames, crossing my fingers for triple flames (might just equip Icarus' Hammer if I make it to Fields to help my odds)

[mellow rover]

Any tips for good buidls with Flames/Skull/Axe? I haven't given much love for those 3 weapons but i think its because i haven't figured them out yet

[half sigil]

Interesting, the more you know. I’ll have to retry it then

[rain hazel]

Idk why it just clicked, but im realizing how much I overuse Omega cast after taking a break.

[rain hazel]

Did throwing base special on dagger always have it return to you 👀 👀 👀

[timber pawn]

No that's pretty new

[rain hazel]

Ah ok, patch notes are so extensive I Rarely look through them.
also skipped one entirely so...lol

[uneven palm]

Flames: Use moros, start Hera gain. You want a percent on attack and ideally Zeus but whatever is fine on special. Omega special, get in a baddies face, hold attack, watch them evaporate. You can dash while channeling attacks so uhhh do that.

Skull: Hera/Aphro/Apollo attack. Ideal hammers are Bolstered and Possessed. Just bonk with attacks up close it’s plenty of damage.

Axe: Charon is an easy win. Take Furies, Night, Origination arcana. Get Lucid Gain from Apollo, get Origination online between cast/special and you’re set. Cast, immediately special, dash mid-holding if you’ve about to get hit, things die.

[mellow rover]

Thx

[split igloo]

do any aspects actually like the offensive heph boons? its been perma-defensive support for just about all my runs, and thinking about how to try to run as a primary/main god?

[silent crow]

you want to put him on the move you dont use often

[lusty heron]

i mean you can play around it

[silent crow]

so like if ur doing staff attacks u can put a heph special and get free dmg

[split igloo]

oh i see just spam something else and time your one move makes sense

[lusty heron]

or you push the cooldown down with poms

there was also a build around the sprint last patch

[split igloo]

gonna dig into some of the duos and see if anything looks fun

[spare kite]

some aspects I just fill with his special or smth for his legendary lol

[half sigil]

Just dropping that here, you can deflect chronos one shot attacks and kill him with it

[amber dagger]

WHAT IM TRYING THAT LATER

[half sigil]

Not the red one, the one he goes in the middle

The red one you just block. I was I could post a clip here

[amber dagger]

Do you mean wish

[half sigil]

Yea

[amber dagger]

What other one shot is there

[half sigil]

In the game ?

[amber dagger]

Ye in chronos fight

[half sigil]

Only red one and middle one

[amber dagger]

Middle one?

[half sigil]

The one where he goes in the middle and makes 2 black cirxles and a safe zone

That’s the one you can deflect and one shot

[amber dagger]

Oh yeah

[neon crown]

i thought you could only get deflect stuff from athena on olympus

is it a hammer or something?

[half sigil]

With her keepsake she appears anywhere as long as you don’t have DD

You can have her as soon as second room of the first biome

[pseudo sequoia]

you could reasonably run moros and put it on both attack and special i think

you'd have to get pretty high rarity on both though, which isn't easy unless you're really lucky with keepsake/phial/pom shenanigans

chain reaction is also a very good duo boon to look for

[low bear]

god I wish Heph blasts were better

[twilit timber]

PSA It's broken atm so doesn't work in olympus

Don't switch to her keepsake if you beat Eris on your last legs and are hoping for a DD refill

[twilit timber]

I usually put him on coat specials if I get 25% auto special on attack hammer and don't have zeus for blitz

It's just a nice big chonk every few seconds without needing much active management

Blitz works better since it doesn't have a cooldown, but it also means filling up a core God slot

[tall notch]

Idk if you'll count that but I've used his cast for damage on some aspects. Probably highest aoe damage out of all casts aside from some duo boon combos

[half sigil]

I play strength and usually start with it

[idle lodge]

Would a boon that boosts casts damage affect the cast boon damage like schorch or lightning bolts?

Or arachnes Scarlet Dress

I’m thinking Scarlet Dress (casts deal +100% damage) is really op if it affects schorch/lightning bolts from cast but be pretty useless if it doesn’t?

[uneven palm]

Cast damage boosts don’t affect Scorch

I haven’t tested lately if Storm Ring benefits from cast damage

[half sigil]

Does it just work with omega cast?

@twin ridge mental block helps a lot with both him and eris

[twin ridge]

Mental block?

[half sigil]

Athena deflect on cast

[twin ridge]

Why cast?

I love my hades 1 dash

[half sigil]

Cause it lets you deflect mid combo. Dash means you don’t attack and just deflect

A lot of people prefer dash, I just personally think cast is better

[cursive oyster]

it's honestly up to preference

[half sigil]

For sure

[twin ridge]

Aha, that makes prob more sense for thanatos aspect as well, stuck in animations for a long period

[half sigil]

I think for any weapons but like plimbo said it’s preference they’re both good

[fiery narwhal]

hi guys, anyone got a list of builds I can use?

is there a way to buy in game currency with real money? Like darkness or other stuff?

[half sigil]

No micro transaction

[fiery narwhal]

so no?

[half sigil]

You can’t buy material with real money no

[fiery narwhal]

thats not very nice

[twin ridge]

No but there are ways to get stuff pretty fast

[fiery narwhal]

how?

[uneven palm]

A comprehensive list of builds is probably not gonna be available during EA since things change so much with each patch. Any particular weapon you’re struggling with? You can also check Mininet’s 50 Fear sheet to see what’s worked at the extremes https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit?usp=sharing

[timber pawn]

First person I've ever seen asking for micro transactions

[twin ridge]

Depends what you need?

[half sigil]

Yea thank god no mtx

[fiery narwhal]

anything to make my character get stronger

[twin ridge]

If you need darkness, just visit every wishing well and buy chaos gates, goes insanely fast

[fiery narwhal]

thank you

[twin ridge]

Ah, well in that casem just chase the challanges

I haven't unlocked everything yet either, but it doesn't stop me from doing 50 heat

[half sigil]

As long as you have the most important stuff you’re fine

[twin ridge]

I suppose focus on the arcana cards is best for you

[fiery narwhal]

I don't see why it would be a problem to be able to buy darkness or things that help you in the long run with real money, it's not like the game is multiplayer. It's just for your own fun

[twin ridge]

I suppose you can buy someones account

[half sigil]

If you want stuff that bad just cheat it in

[timber pawn]

This is more a philosophical conversation than a practical one lol

[half sigil]

Agreed

[twin ridge]

Facts

[timber pawn]

Mtx bad

[twin ridge]

I'd sell you my steam account for 100k

Then you have all the darkness you'd need 😉

[timber pawn]

There is a pretty easy to get to and very finite cap on player progression in Hades

That's sort of the core of the game

[fiery narwhal]

How about £20?

[twin ridge]

I have a 9000 hour dota account, with sponsors

Sorry man 20 wont cut it hahah

[half sigil]

So like 30?

[fiery narwhal]

hahaha

[brave lynx]

i'll give you some pocket lint

[twin ridge]

To be fair, Hades is more then 20 pounds to begin with, no?

I could boost your hades 2 account for 100 bucks

Give me a week and your maxed

[fiery narwhal]

Yes but being able to spend like £20 on 2000 darkness or so would be fun

[twin ridge]

But you don't need infinite darkness

[brave lynx]

just play the game and earn it

[fiery narwhal]

No, because I like playing the game myself

[twin ridge]

Then play it :p

[half sigil]

Sounds like you don’t though