h2-builds-and-combat

[desert mist]

aspect of selene is slowly becoming one of my favorite aspects

[surreal hazel]

Any hephestus blast effect. That is, volcanic strike, volcanic flourish, seismic hammer and stamp rush.

Basically if you trigger a blast within 2 seconds of it recharging, it explodes twice, you don't need to hit twice

Morors torch explosions inherit your attack boon, so that should trigger volcanic strike

But those are not "blasts" themselves

[desert mist]

does Hera's Proper Upbringing work for Common boons you get after you get it?

[low bear]

yes it does

[uncut basin]

Just unlocked black coat. Been mulling over what boons would synergize well with its moveset. for the attack, im thinking demeter/frost strike maybe, and for the special, maybe hera or zeus, and for cast maybe......poseidon (the damage one and the one that instant casts the omega) mixed with lightning lance? and get frost lightning duo if possible. If anyone has any suggestions would be great. Fricken love this weapon is so fun!

[low bear]

Hera attack or Special is good. Zeus special is great for bossing and good damage in general, Poseidon is also decent for regular encounters. Dem works too but Hera is better imo. For cast I'd go with Demeter since you're hitting up close and personal having freeze is huge. Otherwise any cast you want is fine honestly. You probably don't want Lightning Lance since you there's a delay between casts and you want to be dropping them as you're doing melee attacks

Also Support Fire and Static Shock are amazing for Coat too (well Static is good on most weapons)

[uncut basin]

Did not realize lightning lance had a delay I was wondering why my rythmn felt a little off, thank you for your insight! 🙇‍♂️

[iron grail]

does drunken stupor apply only once per foe (incl. bosses) or does it apply once per 'omega move' use ? does it reset hangover timer when it hits two times in less than 4 sec or does it stack with itself ?

[silent crow]

once per foe

[iron grail]

ok thanks 🙂

[lime eagle]

i know the game isn't finished, but seeing the aspects after unlocking the base access of all weapons, it seems similar to Hades 1, that most aspects seem pretty bad and/or don't switch up the gameplay experience enough.

what are your thoughts about this?

[silent crow]

hades 1 aspects were way worse

[lime eagle]

i don't remember the details in H1 cause it's been a while, just that i ran out of steam pretty quick and felt done gameplay wise before seeing the true ending.

seeing H2 aspects it could be the same thing.

the deck system in place of the mirror is nice, but it doesn't really seem like it's all that adaptable and weapon based.

there are just a bunch of cards and combinations i always gonna use.

there are also few useful Keepsakes imo.

(at least from the ones i got yet)

[willow phoenix]

H1 was way worse imo

In H2 imo most aspects are fun and viable enough to play, although some do lack distinction. The ones I find too similar are

• All staff aspects are omega based and circe is pretty bad but momus is cool at least,
• Mel torches don't really offer that different of a gameplay to moros, and
• mel axe playstyle isn't really different to Than axe

But all the other aspects, especially the skull, offer a distinct enough playstyle imo that I do build them differently.

For the arcana system, a lot of cards are weapon and build based but a lot of cards are also pretty generalist. For most players the comfy and safe cards will always be picked but I think it's far better than H1 and I do customize a lot before run.

For keepsakes, some are weak true, but I don't think it's that bad, most are totally viable. But an "optimal" run does tend to steer to certain keepsakes.

I don't think they want too many customizations anyway tbh, a lot of players don't customize at all lol

[surreal hazel]

Technically no. It only rarifies things when you activate it first. But it also gives +100% rare chance

[desert mist]

Huh

[surreal hazel]

What it won't do is stop the ordinary chaos curse, rare crop or bridal glow making things common

[desert mist]

Interesting, got it a few runs ago and didn't notice that

[surreal hazel]

So new boons will be rare or better in all cases except for the ordinary curse

[desert mist]

So basically it synergizes greatly with Uncommon Blessing

[surreal hazel]

And obviously it can't rarify boons that just don't come in rare flavour, like infusions or hades' boons

[desert mist]

Either before or after it activates

[surreal hazel]

Yes, since that boon only looks for common boons that can actually be rare

[desert mist]

Sick sick

[surreal hazel]

And ignores itself

[desert mist]

Ngl after using Hera a lot more recently she might just be my favorite God to use

Got her new Legendary for the first time the other day and had a phenomenal time

Stuff like Born Gain is also fun

[surreal hazel]

Also worth noting is that hera won't offer this boon if you can't immediately activate it

[willow phoenix]

Hera is probably the strongest god rn lol

I don't think there's any case where picking hera is a bad idea

[surreal hazel]

It's not as good as shameful attitude either, but nothing is.

[desert mist]

Which one was that again?

[surreal hazel]

Aprodite global damage bonus

Uncommon grace but literally better

[last void]

I think Hera's Hitch is one of the best curses. If you can apply it for large groups, like in a Cast, then all damage is repeated at 30% among all affected foes.

that includes attacking two or more cursed foes, because each will get the direct attack + 30% of the dmg from the others. so hitting 4 affected foes does +90% extra dmg (each takes 30% from the other three)

[desert mist]

Ahhh the one that boosts damage further if you're above 80% hp right?

[surreal hazel]

Yeah. Shameful attitude is as good at its worse as tall order, uncommon grace and perfect image are at their best

And is twice as good otherwise

[last void]

not to mention better hitch rarities or hitch bonuses. one of my best was yesterday where hitch was at ~80% so each hit to 3 foes is like 3x dmg per shot

[desert mist]

Got this run yesterday using Hera lol #h2-victory-boasting message

Genuinely crazy luck

[surreal hazel]

Hereditary bane is also underrated

[willow phoenix]

I feel like they're going to nerf hera in the next boon patch, so gotta enjoy her boons while you can.

Or I guess they could also go with the buff everything else route

[surreal hazel]

And a little misleading

It's not +10% damage from hitch, it's 10% damage from the original source

[lime eagle]

i have to take a look again about the aspects.
customization is almost the most fun aspect imo, trying to find a risk/reward setup and things like that.
in terms of keepsakes, some that seem interesting like Artemis just seem way too unbalanced for a common playthrough and seem only be worth it for players who basically already know they gonna win. many of the better ones are purely defensive like regen, shield, revive etc. which is very boring.

[willow phoenix]

Wait what, so your hits just straight up increase in damage?

[surreal hazel]

Not the actual hit

But hitch does 30% of the original damage right?

[lime eagle]

the hammer is kinda good but very luck based if you get something you actually wanna use, as not all upgrades are actually good and worth playing around.

[surreal hazel]

Hb makes it 40% at worst, and scales like mad

Each pom is 10% more with no diminishing returns

[willow phoenix]

Oh I get it, so it buffs the damage conversion to hitch

[surreal hazel]

Yeah1

Can go over 100%

[willow phoenix]

Gonna try some Queen's ransom run to try this lol

[surreal hazel]

Do it

[timber pawn]

I have been wondering about a queens ransom build

[surreal hazel]

Rarity is only 5% each do ignore it

[timber pawn]

Zeus is just usually so good

[willow phoenix]

Hitch doesn't damage the main target right? Maybe they can add a boon for that lol

Duo boon with ares maybe

[carmine lagoon]

H2 zeus didn’t take his steroids and is weak af now compared to H1 Zeus overall imo

[cursive heron]

They won't add a boon for a straight 1.6x global damage multiplier lol

[carmine lagoon]

Static shock and storm ring are good, blitz is sometimes decent but that’s pretty much it, isn’t it?

[willow phoenix]

I think H1 zeus has a higher floor but lower peak than H2 zeus

A proper blitz run can absolutely wreck and the damage output is insane

[silent crow]

i mean h1 keepsakes were horrible

there were like 7 decent ones and 3 you would actually use

[willow phoenix]

Yea it's a low bar lol

[carmine lagoon]

Like romantic spark?

[silent crow]

there are only like 3 (?) truly bad keepsakes rn

[cursive heron]

H1 Zeus was mid on most aspects. Just Zeus and Eris aspects broke it.

[silent crow]

also h2 zeus is great static shock is op storm ring is op blitz is really good

[timber pawn]

Hold on lemme get a video for you

[cursive heron]

H2 Zeus is goated on like every special lol

[willow phoenix]

You can do a Merciful End -esque build with that.

Try moros with zeus in specials

You'll see just how much damage he deals

[silent crow]

or just pick static shock on any weapon and look at the end damage screen

[willow phoenix]

Even outside blitz, his prime boon that I forgot the name of is so good on so many weapons

[timber pawn]

Chronos fight is at 16:06, I can't timestamp on mobile unfortunately

https://youtu.be/GL8XW0L6F9o?si=WGjykH1BGHAcsRer

[carmine lagoon]

I’ve done moros builds before, the blitz sits at around 40k while attack is 120k+ (though this is at high fear so it may be different usually)

[silent crow]

the blitz is doing 1/4 of your damage for one boon thats insane

[cursive heron]

Overall I think h2 Zeus >>>> h1. Even on the aspects in H1 it was good it needed rare/pommed t2 static discharge to have scaling damage

[surreal hazel]

Just hit two targets at once

[timber pawn]

The video I just linked kills chronos in like 8 blitz procs and that's about it

[surreal hazel]

+300% dsmage sworn strike with +170% bane, both enemies are dead

[silent crow]

oh we were talking abt queen ransom? yeah thats op too bc poms scale linearly lol

[surreal hazel]

Only some

[silent crow]

most of them do

[surreal hazel]

Past pom 3, yeah

[silent crow]

the ones that still have diminishing returns forever are exceptions

[surreal hazel]

H1 had that too, but hilarious pom levels were rarer

[silent crow]

nah ive seen h1 poms give like 4% dmg

[carmine lagoon]

Or some that just don’t scale past a point (cough born gain / heph attack/spec)

[willow phoenix]

Is that just from King's ransom poms?

[timber pawn]

Also echo

[willow phoenix]

Quick question does toasting fork buff blitz damage if you activate it or only if it expires

[willow phoenix]

Honestly insane damage lol, it didn't even proc that many times

[timber pawn]

It apparently does work w romantic spark

[surreal hazel]

If it expires, or use romantic spark

And that double procs for sone reason or something

[willow phoenix]

Seems weak and counter intuitive tbh. You want to pop blitz in zeus builds. Probably better if its a general damage buff with lower numbers

[cold linden]

DId a run with Thanatos axe, and you can just alternate the new special, attack, special, attack until most unarmored mobs are ded. Not sure if its a true combo and did no thinking about what gods would be good with it for that alternating damage. THought it was intersting since there is a lot of chatter around the holes in the axe's attack pattern, but you can make it so there is none.

[surreal hazel]

Niche tool. Useful for when you have bouncy projectiles spreading blitz everywhere

[spare kite]

Blitz should get actuals t2s

[surreal hazel]

Staff special, dancing blades, shimmering rockets

[timber pawn]

It's pretty much only good for RS current state, and potentially by accident lol

[low bear]

For medea is it better to have hera on attack or special?

[timber pawn]

Attack afaik, high fear right?

[low bear]

Yep 50f, and is blitz good for spec?

[timber pawn]

I believe it's still good at high fear ya

It's best in slot at low fear

[bleak gale]

Do you simply must take the timeslow keepsake w Charon against Prometheus

[hollow stag]

Is Zeus good with Axe or he’s not optimal with it?

[willow phoenix]

I found just running if he dashes to you helping a lot, don't need to maximize every cast

If you need the time slow, consider getting phase shift hex

Since charon eats a lot of magick, you can keep it up for most of the fight

Some gale and freeze also helps with slowing him

Prom has a pattern for his attacks and he does have down time, so running away actually does help a lot

[timber pawn]

static can be nice on high fear but generally you're not looking for zeus on most axe builds

[low bear]

Static is huge for high fear for barrier clears acrually

[astral magnet]

Someone give me a fun build to try

[scenic bone]

I had an insane Static run but iam not sure about the boons exactly. I had on my Attack static, then i had a duo boon i believe Aphrodite Zeus. The Attack was extremly boostet and i could trigger the static just by charging throug the enemy. So i hit once, i sprint repeat. The Damage was insane, every boss was like Paper.

[willow phoenix]

Zeus sprint + double strike + spirit surge + king's ransom

[versed nexus]

I did a run like that with Moros torches, busted run I swear

ALSO I need an axe build, I tried the hitch and Demeter cast and failed -_- is there an ideal build for what I just mentioned? Because after I got both I didn't know what else to get

[willow phoenix]

How high fear is this? I don't play 50f but for me I'd just get more safety from Heph, or more hera boons to improve hitch. If you can get hera legendary your run is pretty set imo

[versed nexus]

Literally like 3
I am but a baby

[willow phoenix]

So yea, if you struggle with surviving then Heph is always good

[versed nexus]

Yeah I could try heph and get the cool down for the bonks really low....

[willow phoenix]

You can continue with hera x Heph, get brave face and fixed gain for insane damage reduction.

[versed nexus]

Hmm ok I'll give that a go then!

And have any good black coat builds been found?

I saw one with.......aspect of nyx? But I don't have it yet

[willow phoenix]

Too many lol. Black coat is so good with so many boons

You can put poseidon/zeus on attack/special for both nyx and mel coat and own

Or hera. Hestia can work too

[versed nexus]

Hmmm ok ok

[willow phoenix]

With Selene it's a bit more than that, you go selene keepsake first and try to get the prism upgrade. Then get some good attack and special for the omega spam

[rugged moon]

Im also trying to do the silly mel staff plan. Lucid gain + geyser spout for the rapid bursts and infinite mana

But on selene

[astral magnet]

jsut got Thunder sprint up to level 16 -105 damage per hit

and spirit surge level 12 - 56 damage

although I did kings ransom and gave up my hera mana boon so I ran out of mana half way through chronos

[fringe lichen]

I remember that when the EA released Hestia burn was extremely bad. Was it fixed?

Or does it still suck? Pls ping if you reply

[silent crow]

its good now

[spare kite]

Much better spot now for sure
Double burn rate (and has a boon to further increase the burn rate)
Demeter duo is very good

[fringe lichen]

What weapon is it good with?

[willow phoenix]

I like daggers, both mel and artemis. Mel coat also rocks with Hestia

[lament spoke]

daggers, Hestia attack, dem special, duo boon works really well

can freezer burn damage crit?

[silent crow]

yes but good luck trying to get it to

[lament spoke]

fair

[fair glen]

until the next, what?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/901453168448270346/1302100819591692309/image.png?ex=6726e363&is=672591e3&hm=e371d502aeabf3429ecd8d017352491865e20fa26274d9ff4527cf5a4ba7a70f&

[spare kite]

Next location

[fair glen]

I get +10 armor in every location, until I reach the next location? wouldn't that mean I get 10 armor and nothing else?

[spare kite]

Yeah

The low value doesn't matter too much, the benefit is that armor dmg doesn't overflow into hp

So you could tank a 100 dmg hit even with 1 armor

[fair glen]

OOOOH wait ok

I thought it mean that "until the next" mean that upon reaching the next, I stop gaining armor completely. No ok I gittit now

[willow phoenix]

If it stacks then you'll see people with 500 armor going into the final boss or something lol

[fair glen]

No yeah fair enough fair enough, I was confused by the description

[willow phoenix]

Fair, it is worded kinda weirdly. Each location until the next can look weird if you don't emphasize the location enough and just see the next part.

[fair glen]

I thought with upgraded rarities it'd be like, "gain armor in each location until the 3rd location from now" or sth

[rugged moon]

nope, just the amount of armor it gives for rarity

but yeah its basicly just temp hp. its really nice

[gray garnet]

Anyone got any good moros flame builds?

[magic moss]

hecuba born gain sorceress whatever attack and special boon you want

[carmine lagoon]

wait what, i just got hades next to shop in tart

is it free...?

chat help

[silent crow]

think so ya

[carmine lagoon]

huh, yeah, free hades

neat

[hollow stag]

What’s a good 0 upgrades Mel Torch build?

Is it Aphro Special?

Or Poseidon special

[low bear]

Afro or Dem special probs

Blitz is also prolly good

[hollow stag]

Which would be the strongest Special/god for base Mel Torch?

Would Zeus Special with Static Shock and extra lightning procs be stronger than Poseidon Special?

[low bear]

Yes blitz should be better than pos and static shock is always great for torches

[hollow stag]

Is Toasting Fork useless?

Does Blitz get 125% damage from Epic Toasting Fork if Blitz activates?

[low bear]

Not useless but I don"t think it's very good, I'm not sure about the damage actuallyvit probably has to expire to recrieve it. Double strike is much better

[wise idol]

Toasting fork only activates when blitz expires. However, it is bugged with romantic spark right now I believe, where with that duo it is added to the blitz damage

[silent crow]

use the attack

[low bear]

and yes you should be using the attack on top of special (Hera atk)

[cursive oyster]

don’t even use the special without an aspect

just keep attack held down

[hollow stag]

What’s a good Attack boon (unupgraded torch)?

Up close with Aphrodite?

[cursive oyster]

hera mostly, aphro can be good but its a lot less safe, hestia can also be really fun

[hollow stag]

Maybe Hestia if I also get Demeter too

[cursive oyster]

freezer burn is fun

also fun is glamour gain burning desire and island getaway

[warm rover]

ok how does one dodge that one attack that creates the red panels on the floor but seem to come from wherever regardless?

Promethesus battle I'm speaking of

[cursive oyster]

the one that he does at 66% and 33% where he jumps away?

you have to memorize the order of the red floor tiles, he shows you the full pattern he’ll do and then execute it

i like to try and keep where i need to be in my head, sometimes i’ll just say “bottom, middle, bottom, top, middle” or smth out loud to remember

[bleak gale]

Are you supposed to be hit this much with Medea or should I just O-Special in normal encounters

[slim sonnet]

witch staff how to build it, I tried poseidon

but feel like low damage and short range

Ωattack always missed🥲

[low bear]

man why does Hecuba just randomly decide to never dig MP again in the Chronos fight

bricked my 50F winning pan run lol

[past salmon]

Hecuba only digs MP once per encounter

Why did you decide to not pick up a gain for literally the entire run

[low bear]

Wait what really?

[past salmon]

Yeh

[low bear]

Damn I did not know that lol

The description could be a lot better tbf

[low bear]

Oh also is Death worth it for Persephone?

[waxen garden]

is anyone else having trouble with Dio's Bounce Back boon in the latest patch? I've noticed it not working correctly

[ivory ginkgo]

is Athena supposed to regularly show up after you first encounter her on olympus? I haven't seen her since and that was a bunch of runs ago

[hollow briar]

100% yeah

Even tho most of the time you won't need to use Omega Casts lategame, if you have the Magick Regen for it, it's definitely worth it to have that 15% chance to drop a building on enemies with your OSpesh or OCast lmao

[past salmon]

I'm pretty sure on an old patch death only effected the first hit of O-Spec, did they fix that?

[bleak gale]

Why is Demeter Attack or Aphrodite Attack + Zeus Special are often found in the scene of crime

[hollow briar]

Oh damn, didn’t know that. I’m pretty sure it works normally now, but I could just be gaslighting myself when thinking back on it lol

[past salmon]

just confirmed it still works like this

[hollow briar]

That’s incredibly sad

Well, the more ya know. Fortunately I won’t have to take it off for the eventual 53F lol

[low bear]

Damn that's sadj

Also I'm so incredibly bad with Medea wtf

[iron grail]

does nimble limbs (faster 'attack') decrease the time needed to switch to omega attack with torches (moros aspect) ? I ask because I don't know if that delay is linked to a number of 'standard' attacks or only to omega attack speed

[surreal hazel]

Not sure, I think it might need at least the first attack to complete before it starts charging

Hrm, it seems like it counts from the get go, the charge time for omega attack is listed as 2.5 seconds, but it hides the meter for the first 1.5 seconds

so the answer to your question is, no. But nimble mind has the full effect of reducing charge time, as does clean candle

[iron grail]

Great answer, really clarifies what happens ! Thank you 🙂 . The fact that the meter is hidden for 1.5sec is what led me to wrong conclusions.

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, a lot of moves do that to stop it flickering if you tap the button

Like, torch and coat specials are always "omega" in that they're charging from the first press, but you get a regular special if you release it too early

And casts in general

I expect the meter hiding time is slso reduced by omega speed buffs

[surreal hazel]

Dunno what affects your firing speed while firing omegas though...

[carmine lagoon]

Maybe global speed buffs like metallic droplet or midnight oil?

[surreal hazel]

Might apply twice

[low bear]

oh does nimble mind also affect channeling speed?

[modest finch]

what are like the top 3 aspects in the game rn

[low bear]

imo Moros, Charon, Medea (but I'm bad at Medea so that's according to people much better than me lol), possibly Than as well

[modest finch]

is the black coat j not good?

[low bear]

it's pretty good, but I don't think it's in top 3

[modest finch]

gotcha; and do you happen to know what the ideal build is for medea (despite not playing with it that much yourself xd)

[low bear]

Hera/Zeus for atk/spec and Demeter freeze (since you're up close to enemies freeze helps a lot). Heph for more defense is great too

[modest finch]

why not aphro for attack?

[spare kite]

For high fear it helps against wards vow and the overall density of mobs

Hitch is super good (and if you are using origination, you have one of the 2 curses)

[modest finch]

tyty

[north granite]

is Poseidon still the best boon for a special staff build?

[carmine lagoon]

Nothing is good for a special staff build

[north granite]

oh lol

[carmine lagoon]

But Poseidon would be the best if you wanted to try it

You’d also want autofire on to not instantly get carpal tunnel

[bleak night]

is Origination a global boost?

or is it just for specific things only

[low bear]

what's the best cast or high fear Charon? I experimented with Aphro cast and it actually felt pretty good but projectiles keep bonking me so I might need to go Dem lol

[bleak night]

Dem

no competition, really. Extra layer of protection vs enemies. Even Dem + Arctic Gale isn't bad despite no Orig because it not freezes + slows projectiles

also @low bear you free rq ?

[low bear]

I have about 30 mins of free time then I gotta go somewhere, why what's up?

[bleak night]

I wanna send a guide

[low bear]

ah makes sense gale is great too + the shred

[bleak night]

I've been cooking up a high quality guide for the 3 axes, just finished the Mel one, and it's the template I'll recycle for Charon and Than

collecting some opinions before I do the other 2, just copy pasting anyway

[low bear]

ohh I'm down to give it a read and feedback

[bleak night]

sent

[uneven palm]

Origination is global

[empty spindle]

i'm sure this has already been asked, but does the strength arcana apply when you run out of dd or you can't take them at all from the start?

[polar prawn]

just as long as you don't have DD effects (so if you took them and lost them all including Toula), so I believe taking Athena's stubborn defiance also nullifies strength until you use it?

[empty spindle]

hm okay ty

[carmine lagoon]

Almost certain it’s global, if it works on heph blasts it probably works on everything

[cursive oyster]

yeah its global

[warm horizon]

I've looked a bit through #h2-victory-boasting and comparing the damage numbers people get to the ones I get, and it's impressive how few people have regular attacks as their 1st source of damage, or even have it in their top 5, as for me it's always the biggest one by far
So how do you make cast or omega builds? I'd like to try some runs like this to change things a little

[carmine lagoon]

It really depends on the aspect. My personal favourite is Aspect of Charon on the axe

That one is gonna be almost entirely cast and o-special damage

[hollow stag]

What infusions are useful?

Are they Hestia’s and Heph’s?

[lime flax]

if you are using ocast and ospec most of the time, do you like use the keepsake to slow time when you charge?

I personally find it really difficult to play charge builds without that keepsake

[carmine lagoon]

No, but that’s because I’ve played a lot
Practice makes perfect :)
with Charon, you can dash right as you start charging the o-spec and kinda glide away so you aren’t as still and exposed

[carmine lagoon]

Those are usually better for fast-attacking weapons (also heph is normal attack/spec only, not omegas), so they’re negligible on Charon
Hestia is really good on eg Mel daggers

[hollow stag]

What are the fastest attacking weapons?

Is it staff with 2x attack hammer (Mirrored Thrasher)?

[lime flax]

nah, id say its the daggers

[hollow stag]

The special?

[lime flax]

No, base attack

[hollow stag]

Isn’t the range for base dagger attack small?

[lime flax]

yeah but umm

you can easily get to like 1000 of the fire with them

its not even difficult

and with the duo boon (aphro and hes) you can stack them upto like 3k

[carmine lagoon]

With freezer burn (dem-hestia duo) it’s insane also

[lime flax]

what is good in a beyblade build?

base axe. no upgrades

[spare kite]

seething marauder is really good for spins

[lime flax]

i mean boon

[spare kite]

just do apollo/hera attack idk

[carmine lagoon]

Hera easily

[lime flax]

here is the thing, i cant find hera at all

how do i unlock her

[spare kite]

she shows up after reaching the surface and breaking the curse

[carmine lagoon]

Ummm, not sure haha
Ig for now apollo or aphro are good
Just keep playing on and see ig

[wind kettle]

ngl staff is boring

[carmine lagoon]

Yeah lol
Try Moros, might be slightly fun

[willow phoenix]

Depends a lot on the aspect, some aspects prefer basic attack/special.

But for a lot of aspects, omega moves do deal the most damage. Torches in particular all heavily rely on omega moves to do anything.

My advice is, just pick an aspect that wants to play with omega moves like pan, charon, momus, moros, selene, etc and play from there. If you struggle with getting omega moves off, try getting demeter on cast to freeze enemies to make things safer. The more you play the more you get the sense of how to safely get omega moves off

For general gameplay, most if not all omega moves have a lot of range or that you can dash before releasing it, so getting some distance before using it is pretty safe. You can also drop some cast on the enemy to make sure they don't just run at you.

[bleak gale]

Why is King Ransom better than Queen Ransom? How does their boons scale actually? Does Zeus even have a diminishing return because his is a flat dmg?

[silent crow]

both of them have diminshing returns until a certian point then it becomes linear

[spare kite]

Pomming flat dmg is just nicer too
Especially stuff like static shock

[wind kettle]

what are yalls favourite hades boon? i find im picking up the fewer chronos reinforcements most often

[grizzled igloo]

fewer reinforcements for me too. If not that then the skull projectile cast if I don’t have anything else affecting where I place it

[native dove]

Old Grudge, Deep Dissent and Soul Urns are all solid choices for me depending on the run.

[wind kettle]

(i dont know them by name :s)

ok so damage burst, fewer enemies and urns

[native dove]

20% damage at start, fewer reinforcements, and i cant say much else but soul urns, becuase urns xD

[bleak night]

I need some final thoughts on something rq if people are free to review a guide

[low bear]

it's probably the best one yeah, howling is also decent for something like Charon or Pan

the Jars are also funny when I'm running a high MP build (like Selene) but I dunno how good they are

[wind kettle]

what's the meta pan build?

[rugged moon]

Define… meta?

Also which meta. High fear, low fear, speed running?

[desert mist]

which attack and special boons are good for Moros again?

[rugged moon]

Hera attack, dem/zues special

[wind kettle]

high fear. is poseidon special still the most dmg?

[rugged moon]

Pos is best for boss damage, hera is best for room damage imo

I did my 50 fear with hera special and used my cast for boss damage

Others either ignored the aspect or used pos but there are only like, 4 clears iirc

[native dove]

For Bosses definetly, for room clear? gotta get hitch in there somwhere, zeus duo if you can work it in also works wonders. Or atleast in my experience

[rugged moon]

i really liked having hitch on the special because of the piercing. was just really great feeling. but i definitely felt the pinch on bosses

[late lantern]

ok I just hate prometheus big one shot move. There should be a blindspot where you can just sit there and watch right?

[desert mist]

you mean the memorization one?

[late lantern]

yeah

[desert mist]

i dont believe so no, youre just kinda forced to memorize the safe spots unless you have something that can block or demeters damage reduction boon

[lusty heron]

Well the first ones show you were they are

Then it just resolves and the savespot is were the first ones showed

Or you learn do iframe the waves with dodges

[late lantern]

Can Hermes's sprint boon face tank it?

[wind kettle]

I think yes

[spare kite]

You can also time your dash

But yeah any barrier/iframe stuff works (so artemis blade/lovers/wolf howl/etc)

[dawn cape]

How good is Hecuba at digging up mana?

[rugged moon]

once per encounter

[late lantern]

Is it just me or Zone 2 in surface just always have very few boon drops?

[desert mist]

had a great run with moros and born gain and everything until i got Blood Lines at the very end and ate through my mana so fast i was chucking regular ghosts at Prometheus until i died

[late lantern]

I couldn't remember how it was before, but I swear that the heal boon from Selene was much stronger before.

[desert mist]

it was, got nerfed pretty hard

[dawn cape]

Probably too hard tbh, it could be reverted

It was only good because all of the other hexes sucked back then but they've been brought in line now

[warm horizon]

Yeah that makes sense
I didn't know you could dash off moves and still use them so that's an improvement

however cast builds still look weird
like idk how people manage to do most of their damage through them
but I have to check how easier cast is to use with the aforementioned tip, maybe that changes everything

[warm rover]

apollo cast boon is pretty sick when combined with freeze and other effects

[willow phoenix]

If you're playing charon, the most damage is almost always going to be omega cast, that's the point of the entire aspect tbf

Outside of that, there's some build with poseidon omega cast spam ig, especially with mel staff

[warm horizon]

ok thanks
not sure which arcana combo would be good for this, but I'll try
and I'll finally be able to find a use in charon XD

[warm horizon]

ok just tested it
I play with "dash to the cursor" so dashing out of omegas is not that good besides omega cast

as for example with axe I would like to dash away while charging special, but I can't do that and aim properly at the same time

sad but that's on me

[wind kettle]

I kinda hate how the Selene heal boon does nothing for you if you have max no healing vow

I would've suggested smth like she gives armour instead, but that seems to be heph's deal

[vivid mesa]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/322208736678641665/1302705375090577508/2024-11-03_19-39-30_-_Trim.mp4?ex=6729166c&is=6727c4ec&hm=1aaca7e6ba284ac35e6fa18335ed2bac8281ad4b2b61092bb61208304d680dd6&

I reported this as a bug but I just wanted to show it here as well lol

[wind kettle]

why he fast

[vivid mesa]

When Chronos slows you and you use Phase Shift he moves crazy fast afterward

im guessing theres some kinda weird addition or multiplication going on when making his speed return to normal again

(I didnt capture it here because he died but his spinning scythe attack is crazy fast too)

[rugged moon]

Technically the upgrades on it still help, include one which does actually heal you

[native dove]

Same when Artemis drops food in her encounter, and charon still offering food. Wish there some alternative

[rugged moon]

Worst imo is chaos

[native dove]

Yeah every other heal is changed to tell you its gonna not heal you, but blood chaos boon just isnt for some reason, such a bait

But id argue one even worse, is nemesis offering to hit you, in exchange for a centaur Soul, which because it doesnt heal you at the same time of the increase, is completly worthless

[rugged moon]

Well that one actually matters

Dds are based on max hp

25 max hp with three normal dds left is still 30 hp + any new dds you get

[native dove]

True actually, I've been strentgh piled so much recently i forgor

[rugged moon]

Or stubborn dds from athena

But yeah, that one can actually matter. Also for the bugged healing that does work

But imo i do wish all healing effects just straight up could not appear. Maybe allow the eos shield one because at least its a one hit shield (assuming bug is fixed)

But that might be still be problematic

Because if the healing cant appear it means the armor woupd appear in essentially every charon well

And that… might actually be just kinda brokenly powerful with str

[tough hamlet]

does having a toula DD or skelly tooth deactivate the strength arcana card?

[spare kite]

Yes

[tough hamlet]

ok thank you!

[rugged moon]

it reactives when you lose that dd however

an empty DD slot does not count against Strength. only a full one

[ashen timber]

Ok, so I've come back from a break from the game, and I'm excited to explore Olympus. The problem to that is Eris. Ive always struggled against her (and surface runs in general, but I can at least clear the City (painfully)). Anyone have any general tips or effective tactics I can try? Maybe some boons I can look out for before I get to her? So far the weapons I'm best with are Mel Axe and Pan Swords, so if I can at least improve my consistency in getting to her, I can practice more effectively than I have been able to so far.

[rugged moon]

Get behind her

Constant Dashing to just be behind her is your best bet. while she does her long, constant firing attacks she turns really slowly so as long as you can avoid the start you get a good duration of time to just wack her

The tendacy is to want to get distance to be safe but its a trick. get close. if she flies away over fire or similar you can back off and play around the pillars to make her come out to you

[ashen timber]

If I'm gonna be fighting behind her, then maybe I should try Mel swords for the backstab

I'll try that

While I'm at it, the Cyclops, while doable, is a royal pain, and I've been relying on Apollo Axe or Sword Special to out-range him. Any good tricks for him?

I usually end up spending at least 1 or 2 DDs against him thus far, and I'd like to conserve those for Eris.

[rugged moon]

Poly is essentially just learning his timings so you can avoid them. All of his moves are very telegraphed and using dodge iframes to avoid them

he has a set time between jumps you can get a wack then move so he doesnt hit you with the jump, the timing of the outward waves you can dash through, the rock throw, etc

other then that just have a good burst build so you can just do all of it at once fast

like freezer burn hestia/dem duo

[wind kettle]

Poly is essentially harmless once you figure out you can wait for him to land and the circle to start expanding. if you dash in after that you have a very big window for damage. also when he start stomping circles while walking, just go in front of him and burst him down

does the Black Coat hammer Siege Frame (+30% damage on attack) contribute to selene talent that makes your hex take advantage of your attack boon?

now that ive typed it out i think not

[rugged moon]

I believe no

[lyric summit]

Heya, if you have Gorgon Amulet can you encounter Athena before Olympus?

Just curious if I can get the Dash super early 🤔

[wind kettle]

ik it works for the first surface zone, but dunno about the boat section

[lyric summit]

Ahh okay
Thanks

[ashen timber]

OK, so I've got apollo attack, dem cast, hestia special/sprint on Momus staff, and so far so good. Just beat poly without dying, and onto the rift.

What else should I look for before Eris to round out the build?

[brave heath]

a hex would be pretty sweet

[ashen timber]

I went with the healing hex, since I cant be trusted to not get hit

ALso, charybdis just ate 3/4 DDs

[brave heath]

average charybdis moment tbh

rift of thessaly is least fave area in the entire game

so yeah for eris, I'd recommend staying as far away as possible and seeing where she flies, maybe do 1 omega to where it hits her and then sprint, cast, and leave quick

use the walls in the boss area a lot

[ashen timber]

Got her to a quarter health and died to fire...

Take 3...

[brave heath]

i'm so sorry
she's so annoying

[ashen timber]

Eh, just takes practice. Trying Than axe now

[flat epoch]

Wanted to try out the torches after never using them! What's the best magick boon/gain boon for em?

[wind kettle]

ykno what Nyx aspect is actually hella fun

[ashen timber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241219084943626294/1302771104359649381/image.png?ex=672953a3&is=67280223&hm=befdf83280555e06227addb254663a9852f341b963ed7962bd5fe1f011e94e13&
This is the build going into Eris on attempt 3. Thankfully no Charybdis this time, so I hope this works

Got her, and surprisingly didn't diehttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241219084943626294/1302772394586411038/image.png?ex=672954d7&is=67280357&hm=89feb8b2ab67303a80da509cf4b09b380d1daf37c2b92568d39e35bbbfc255dd&

[brave heath]

congrats! aspect of than is so good

[ashen timber]

Now let's see how long I last in a brand-new area

[cursive oyster]

amazing build

[ashen timber]

Wow my damage sucks here...

I'm surprisingly surviving though

Well, umm... I survived I guess, and somehow got all my DDs back...

Thanks ||Athena||

Oh, fun. Region boss. Welp, time to die.

[left echo]

I just unlocked the new weapon, is there an asepect/specific gods i should be looking for with this one?

[finite sail]

Are there any tips for beating the main underworld boss for the first time. I’ve got 60 runs in and while they’re spread across both zones I am focusing on just beating him at least once before going back to the surface.

I can get to him consistently but am having a hard time even getting to the second phase. Builds that get me there aren’t working well in the boss fight. I’ve switched to strength and no death defiances and that seems good but I really end up needing them at the final boss.

What’s a solid weapon boon combo for someone who’s good but not great at the game? Is there something akin to a shield build? Blah!

[uneven palm]

Probably the easiest overpowered build is Charon Axe. Use Furies, Night, and Origination arcana. Start Apollo for Lucid Gain and you have infinite magick basically. Get Origination online between cast/special and you're cruising.

[finite sail]

Thank you. I will give it a shot. I’ve like the axe but haven’t tried Charon’s yet.

[ashen timber]

One build I like is Pan Swords, Poseidon Special. Mows down health bars in my experience. Aphro Attack/cast also helps but aren't strictly neccesary.

Hasn't helped me on the surface, but against Chronos it's great

[wind kettle]

you just have to learn his pattern

phase 1 is mostly a joke so you shouldn't burn any defences there, 2nd phase gets more chaotic towards the end, but should be able to burst him down with a decent build

pro tip: don't kill the hourglasses if you can manage it. their attack is so easily dodgeable but their time zone freeze might just spell insta death

that being said, good defensive boons are granted by aphro and heph

weak is just a flat damage reduction and you can buff it up if you're lucky and heph gives you invulnerability at the start and a lot of armour, which synergizes very very well with Strength Arcana

notable defensive mentions: Soot Sprint from Hestia and the Sprint from Apollo

forgot to mention that the best way to apply weak from Aphro is from her dash and cast

also as far as offensive boons, depends on your weapon, slower weapons tend to like flat % damage increases like from Hera, Aphro, Demeter, Apollo and faster weapons like effects like Zeus' Blitz and Hestia Scorch

tho that's not a hard rule

[fair glen]

I'm misunderstanding this description, what I'm getting is "whenever you run out of magick, your max magick gets reduced until the next location" with no upside. What's the benefit on this one?
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[silent crow]

if you run out of magic all your magic gets restored but it reduces your max magic for that location
entering another location resets the max magic reduction

[wind kettle]

when you run out of magic you prime 20. say you have 100 magic, you run out, it refills all your magic but primes 20. that means now you have 80 magic to use

[fair glen]

ohhhh

[sick radish]

yea its worded a little weirdly

[fair glen]

I see ty ty. I read it as "prime until the next location [that restores all magick]"

[sick radish]

what boons do i need to get Queens Ransom?

[uneven palm]

cores from both Zeus and Hera, then get it from Hera

[daring burrow]

What's pre requisite for "melting swipe" hammer for descura (staff)?
Or am I just unlucky? Only one left to finish the prophecy

[sick radish]

gotcha

[fair geyser]

There's also that you don't need to wait to recharge unlike other regeneration boons—rather, you can continuously spam Omega moves and it will automatically keep priming.

A real upside compared to others!

[uneven palm]

Hammers don't have any prereqs

[daring burrow]

Unlucky it is

[uneven palm]

Unfortunately. See if you get a hammer in location 2 of Fields, then you can take it last and hopefully get another from Echo

[spare kite]

To be specific if you want king ramson you need zeus atk/special and hera cast/mp regen/sprint

The opposite for queen ramson

[uneven palm]

also you might just get it from Experimental Hammering

[sick radish]

can i have the cast mp regen and sprint all at once, or can i only have one?

[spare kite]

you can have them all yeah, would be kinda lame otherwise

support boons will also be sacrificed

[rugged moon]

Not quite but close its any core zues + Hera’s Cast/Sprint/Gain for kings and opposite for queens

Zues Cast/Hera Gain for example would be eligible for both

[spare kite]

Oopsie daisy

[lost rock]

FINALLY got Fire Walk from Hestia and dude, it looks so cool.

[daring burrow]

Born gain + rejected will + wicked thrasher + mirrored thrasher +nova strike on staff weapon = easy mode

Barely broke a sweat kicking chronos ass for first pass

First clear 19:58, 199k dmg from attacks, 148 dmg to chronos but aside from that the highest was 28 from infernal beasts

[finite sail]

Thanks! I’ll give that a shot too. One of these tries I’ll get him.

[glad kettle]

Using Mel Staff, Pos cast x Geyser x Dark Side (or any attack hex) x Lucid again x mental block is the most insane 1 button build I’ve tried

[finite sail]

Awesome tips. Thanks!

[rugged moon]

Try it with hera cast instead of pos cast but still with geyser spout and watch entire packs of enemies disappear

[glad kettle]

Ah… thinking of it sounds insane. Lemme try it, thanks

[rugged moon]

#h2-victory-boasting message

Was a very silly run. I did it on selene instead of mel staff but its the same build just with a built in hex

[glad kettle]

I chose Mel staff to get Dark Side. Last branch makes Your cast copy your omega cast while you’re invulnerabile. I did a no-hit Eris and Prom run

[glad kettle]

This looks bunkers. Did you record?

[rugged moon]

Yeah is a good option. Selenes big thing is i got to put dem on the attack and thus my hex froze enemies. And sky fall applies a curse that makes enemies take more omega damage

And no. Might start soon and do some judgement runs, undecided

I restart a lot for good runs which makes recording weird

[glad kettle]

Same. Restarted 4 times till I got Dark Side on my last run

[rugged moon]

Im tempted to do some modded runs after i finish 18/18 50f

[magic moss]

just for reference im not tracking modded 50Fs

[rugged moon]

Ye

Im not a big do the hardest difficulty fan. Am enjoying cause im still learning a lot from it but id probably rather stick and like 32 with some fun self made challenges

Judgement might be fun at like 53? But i think it might also just annoy me

But yeah. 32f Surface Build-Your-Own Chaos Trials is current plan. Might try and record those

[cursive oyster]

modding is fun

[rugged moon]

Agree

One of my favorite things when i use to play binding of isaac was the sorta build runs where youd start with certain stuff then restrict run gains

And thats kinda my plan.
Ideas ive had so far are:
Start with every Vengence Boon + Full Scars. No other boons for rest of run.
Charon Only. Charon keepsake, Axe, All money boons, only allowed to gain boons from shops.
Single God Runs. Replace every boon gotten with one god for entire run.

Probably always allow Chaos boons in every run because the “theme” is Chaos Trials, so they’re always allowed

Oh! could do an artemis run too. Artemis Blades Start with all Artemis Boons

[low bear]

does this game have mods yet?

[uneven palm]

Anyone know if the bonus attack/specials from Nyx aspect trigger waves/scorch/static shock? I’m having trouble seeing if they do with all vfx happening

[cursive oyster]

yeah, iirc the modding server is pinned in self promo

[willow phoenix]

I don't think so

[ashen timber]

Ok, I'm loving the new weapon

This is freaking awesome

Stack Heph gain with Heph/Hera duo, and throw on Poseidon prime for good measure and you just tank all the hits

Meanwhile Aphro attack on the Coat works wonders

First surface run with it and it was a clear

Maybe I should try that with other weapons...

[willow phoenix]

You can add strength to it, weak, maybe even poseidon aphro duo

Basically immortal

Hmm does poseidon flat dmg reduction apply before or after the other damage reductions

[ashen timber]

Well, looks like the tank build just works wherever you are, with multiple weapons too. Just did it again on the surface with Pan daggers (my personal favorite weapon aspect)

[urban prairie]

Hi, I'm new here but I've been playing Hades 2 a lot, I'm on my 42 or 43rd (a good mix of surface and underworld) but I haven't beaten ||Chronos|| once. My last run was my best using the Umbral Flames with Hestia's Hearth Gain restoring the attack and Zeus' Blitz doing the main damage. I had another major boon where if my moon gift was ready but I didn't use it (which was Lunar Rare) I'd do bonus damage.

Is there a recommended build to try and go for in general? My main issue with him is his scythe throw in the first phase. My last run got him down to his last quarter before I died and I was doing about 1k damage before needing to dash away.

[willow phoenix]

Try the tank build above if you struggle to survive. What aspect do you use the torches with?

[urban prairie]

Melinoe Rank 2

[urban prairie]

Sorry WAY off with that, I was using Rank V Mel

[willow phoenix]

There's some meme but actually viable build but with mel torches where you put Aphro on special and just spam omega special.

Get a bunch of weak and maybe aphro + poseidon duo for dmg reduction. For attack you can do hera/apollo/zeus for damage, or Demeter for safety

Alternatively putting zeus on special is already pretty good. Hera/Apollo on attack is good for damage and add demeter on cast for extra safety

If you have the dog familiar, you can instead try to play with heph fixed gain + Hera to aim for the brave face duo, where you become practically immortal. The dog familiar+ magic regen card should cover your magic use for most things

[latent marsh]

Question, how do you use aspect of Medea?

[willow phoenix]

Click attack, click special on enemies. Your loaded up skull explodes on special contact.

For optimal gameplay you need to gauge how many skulls you need to put for an enemy so that you don't waste too much time collecting skulls

[latent marsh]

So it's a special spam build

[willow phoenix]

Well yes you're going to spam special, but the main damage comes from the attack

[latent marsh]

👍 I'll try to play around with it

[urban prairie]

Thanks I'll definitely give that and the tank build a try. I want to at least beat Chronos before my 50th run. I love the game but god he is literally killing me. 🙃

[willow phoenix]

General tips vs chronos is that his back is always super safe

And that he can't go outside of your cast

[hollow stag]

What’s the best Artemis boon for spinning axe?

Support Fire, Lethal Snare?

[magic moss]

sheet is being updated currently https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1302867898330513428/image.png?ex=6729adc9&is=67285c49&hm=14c1a4308867d8293c3dabac436d41d2049716378f71915f16cf78d9456e3ef5&

[daring burrow]

Can someone confirm that it's possible to get "melting swipe" for the witches staff prophecy

I've played quite a few rounds chasing it and just getting unlucky I guess?

[magic moss]

its possible

[daring burrow]

I desire proof that someone's completed the prophecy 😅 like... is there a boon/upgrade that if I take it will not offer me melting swipe? I've taken so many hammers

Feels waste using any other weapon until I get this prophecy done since there isn't a prophecy for any of the others yet (already finished axe)

[magic moss]

BACKLOG HAS BEEN CLEARED, SHEET HAS BEEN UPDATED
took 45 minutes

[native dove]

Does the fastest clear per aspect section get updated, or is that not unique to whoever did it first?

[magic moss]

it gets updated

i accidentally put you under persephone

gimme a moment

[native dove]

Yeah just saw that, no problem, amazing appreciated work as normal thank you

[magic moss]

there we go fixed

[magic moss]

you're on the board :D

[bleak night]

I'll play a 53F run for upload so I can take a break from the guide rq

[magic moss]

that runs going to be put so far back in the backlog

[bleak night]

You have a massive backlog already today ?

[magic moss]

nope, just gonna be busy for the next week

[low bear]

what's a good arcana loadout for Moros 51F?

[past salmon]

tf u doing 51F for

if ur gonna do above 50F just do 53F

[low bear]

just testing the waters idk LOL

oh is 53 not a big difference from 51?

50F is still usually a struggle for me on most weapons, so I figure 51 on Moros might not be too bad since I think that's the strongest aspect or at least the one I'm best at

[past salmon]

you activate 1 less arcana

[low bear]

oh wait really lol

[past salmon]

53F is strength + titan
51F is strength + titan + idek lmao

[low bear]

rerolls I guess?

[past salmon]

ig
idk just do 53F its really not that hard

[low bear]

I guess I'll give it a try, or I'll practice with some 50F Strength Runs first

[low bear]

yeah though I'm not nearly as good as you guys, you prolly eat 50Fs for breakfast

[onyx ibex]

anyone have any builds for the new eos? not sure how to get that torches aspect going

[past salmon]

Apollo/Hera Attack, Zeus/Hera Special

Run Death Arcana

[primal phoenix]

Hello I have a question for the aspect of Moros. When the projectiles explode by being in contact with the techniques, are the explosion boosted by boons that affect the attacks or the techniques ?

[silent crow]

attacks

[primal phoenix]

Okay, thanks a bunch !

[nova dune]

Hello everyone, decided to give 50F a try and i have been getting my ass kicked to the curb, quite a difference from 32F. These are my current Arcana e Fear setups, have been using Thanatos aspect with sworn strike and fishing for Demeter cast, would appreciate any feedback and tips.

https://ibb.co/61tQWCh
https://ibb.co/yPZgm9Z

[uneven palm]

Consider Boatman over Orig. More rolls for early doors to get a boon/hammer or a boon at the first midshop will get you through Erebus.

[cursive oyster]

you probably don’t need to run wayward son with scars 3

[nova dune]

Good catch haha, ty

[uneven palm]

Yeah I might drop wayward and furies for lovers. I don’t get huge value out of furies with Than

[cursive oyster]

furies is great on than because it boosts the seething marauder hits if you get it

imo

[uneven palm]

I’ll have to give that a try. Previous patches I had trouble keeping a cast up while spinning if I was doing omega attacks

[cursive oyster]

also than needs any damage it can get

[uneven palm]

Maybe it’s better with new sorceress

[wind kettle]

idk how other ppl did it, but as a noob that did 50f I just gradually increased fear levels to it

the bigger game changers i think are onion and no healing and 2 ticks of armour

get used to those and everything will start snapping into place

[late lantern]

Did I just git gud or is Chronos nerfed? I swear he felt so much easier now.

[wind kettle]

u gitted gud. gz

[spare kite]

I don't think he has received nerfs since patch 3

Or patch 4 if that's when we got the time slow incantation

[late lantern]

Also is % damage from boons additive or multiple?

[spare kite]

Additive

Crits are multi

[hollow stag]

Does Hermes Midnight Oil Boon also affect Omega moves?

[cursive oyster]

yeah

[hollow dagger]

probably because you fought Promotheus who in comparison sticks to you like a methed out fly sticking to manure , while insta dropping one of 20 different fire kick/punch/bite / scratch / hip thrust moves that hit like a truck in whatever is left of the arena . Chronos feels like Hecate in comparison

[hollow stag]

So Axe Omega Axe will spin faster when Hex is ready?

[cursive oyster]

i’m not sure about spinning but it will channel faster

[hollow stag]

Really, description says Midnight Oil will make weapon move and strike faster

[spare kite]

For omegas anything that means "is faster" often means faster channeling

[cursive oyster]

i’m not sure what omega move speed exactly means but i know it includes channel speed

[late lantern]

Just curious, can Icarus’ keepsake last long enough to fight either Chronos or Prometheus if you switch it at the fountain?

[spare kite]

For chronos if you put it in fields is guaranteed to last

If you get lucky with your skips it can last to him from oceanus iirc

[timber pawn]

If you put it on in Oceanus it's pretty much guaranteed tbh, granted that is in a speed setting where you're always taking shops/free rooms where possible

[cursive oyster]

you don’t need to get all that lucky you just need to hit oceanus midshop and that’s it

[wind kettle]

the one thing I kinda dislike about Tartarus is that you don't really have any incentive to go side rooms

like yeah 3 poms or whatever is cool, but by that point it's surely not needed for your dmg

[spare kite]

Huh

[low bear]

Yeah I've never had the hammer expire in all of my 50 Fear runs where I actually used it in Oceanus

There are some where it expired right after Chronos

but yeah if you're taking all the free rooms (as you almost need to with a 5 minute timer) you should be good to last until Chronos. I prefer using Pin in Fields

[wind kettle]

you indeed get a lot of value out of pin in fields

[cursive oyster]

i think typically my rotation is god keepsake erebus -> amulet oceanus -> demeter or zeus keepsake if i’m looking for a cast/heph if i want survivability/hammer if i wanna gamble in fields and then fig leaf in tart

pin is a lot harder to take with strength

[wind kettle]

mine is god>athena>hammer/pin/sash>fig

[cursive oyster]

with strength if i’m low on health i’ll sometimes take tooth in fields to bump back up to 101

[wind kettle]

with strength I find I get a lot of value out of sash in fields, you can stack up a lot of armour before you get into tart

[cursive oyster]

fields is like 6 locations though right?

ig thats 48 armor if played perfectly

(where did i get that number its 44)

[wind kettle]

I find fields more forgiving out of every zone

so easier to keep your armour up

[low bear]

I like pin letting me hulk out and just burst down the miniboss in Fields assuming my HP is close to 60 though I haven't tried Strength high fear yet

[cursive oyster]

heph keepsake lets you take heavy metal or uncanny fortitude which is amazing

[cursive oyster]

trusty shield too

[wind kettle]

I try to take those in erebus ngl

[low bear]

how do other damage reductions like weak and fixed stack with strength?

is it additive?

[cursive oyster]

multplicative

[low bear]

ah sadj

[cursive oyster]

probably good for game balance strength doesn’t need a buff atm

[low bear]

that's true

[wind kettle]

strength certainly rewards higher skill play atm

[low bear]

Ywah I think it's pretty well balanced

[spare kite]

Strength also rewards unga bunga and I love it

[wind kettle]

it just dawned on me that a simple nerf would be tuning down it's damage

[cursive oyster]

eh 25% is already not a whole lot

[wind kettle]

or maybe the other way around, make DDs somehow more appealing

[cursive oyster]

i think make it 5 grasp

[timber pawn]

One is always going to be more appealing than the other depending on the context

Idk if it really needs a nerf? Probably less DR if anything

[wind kettle]

true, but i think if they see way more people using strength Vs DD they'll try and do smth about it

[cursive oyster]

less dr would definitely kill strength for me

[low bear]

Thoughts on best gain for Pan?

[cursive oyster]

i think they should make dds heal 5%

[cursive oyster]

definitely born gain but fluid is serviceable given you probably already want posiedon

[timber pawn]

Imo str needs to keep it's damage as a differentiator from DDs so the only other option is increasing the difference in effective hp between str and DDs.

But tbh I feel like it'll probably stay as is, I guess we'll see

[cursive oyster]

i think they should make dds restore 50% instead of 40

i get that mel is supposed to feel less tanky than zag but dds just don’t feel worth taking and they always felt less like a revive and more like a “well guess i can take one more hit”

[timber pawn]

That's fair buffing DDs would be another method

You're also speaking from 50f right, which I'm not sure is what they're really balancing around

[cursive oyster]

yeah but strength is even better on low fear

[low bear]

Yeah I I feel like fluid is still too slow for me, Ionic seems good too

Static and Lightning lance from zeus are great for pan I think anyway

[stable lichen]

any tips for 32f pact setup in general and what aspects are reliable?

id say my personal favourites are moros than and artemis but ive also completed the testaments on momus persephone and selene too

id prefer something without both forced overtime 2 or tight deadline 3 (whatever the equivalents are called in H2), ideally without either but im able to get one of em in a pinch

i just dread having to do TD3 in the fields because i just always get lost

[spare kite]

For starters I'd def practice at least fo2 or td3 but ideally both

[willow phoenix]

I use charon for all my 32f because it's just so cheap tbh. Like demeter cast + apollo gain + charon already clears most of the room in the game.

Because of that personally I just choose all the ones that make the enemy tougher, TD2, fangs 2, arrogance, shadow, but no fury.

[stable lichen]

i think FO2 is doable for me i just have H1 PTSD from EM3 Asterius

hopefully there isnt something like that

[spare kite]

Dem cast makes fo2 much more manageable

Also yeah charon and moros are good options overall

[stable lichen]

i wish we had more long ranged options like the H1 bow and hestia ngl

[spare kite]

For 32f I'd avoid fangs 2 tho, fangs 1 is fine

[stable lichen]

is that benefits package

[spare kite]

Yeah

[stable lichen]

huh

i wouldve thought BF2 wouldve been a good one going off H1

[willow phoenix]

Fangs 2 does make things a bit of a rng based run, some combinations are so powerful

[spare kite]

Even in h1 I wouldn't use bp2 for 32

[stable lichen]

i have it turned on by default so ig im just really used to it in H1

[spare kite]

Here is worse cuz some perks are nasty

[willow phoenix]

But if you get lucky they're all a nothing sandwich and it's free fear

[stable lichen]

is it just me or does mel have less iframes than zag (even discounting the dash)

i feel like im always playing with hell mode personal liability

[spare kite]

Personal liability only affected the impervious if you lost a lot of hp quick

I do think she has less iframes after being hit tho

[stable lichen]

yeah i feel like zag was much less prone to being stunlocked

[spare kite]

You can get combo'd a lot easier

[stable lichen]

im so conflicted about 32 since i kinda wanna wait for EM to come out for like 3-6 free heat but that's probably coming after the final surface boss

(also RIP underworld customs my beloved free heat)

[willow phoenix]

Do it now before surface gets any harder

[stable lichen]

ig i'll keep trying surface and leave underworld for later then

[spare kite]

I have only done 32f underworld lol

Gonna wait for 4th surface to do it there

[stable lichen]

i keep dying to charybdis or a trial in thessaly since those keep being unavoidable

[willow phoenix]

If people already struggle with eris + prom, I don't think waiting for EM eris + prom is a good idea lol

I can't imagine what they'll do to those two boss fights

[terse apex]

arcana

[stable lichen]

eris now drives a tank

or borrows EM3 theseus' gear

[lament spoke]

Eris gets a second gun

[willow phoenix]

Eris but the pillars now also shoot at you

[spare kite]

I wonder if we'll have to unlock em for last surface boss too

[stable lichen]

prometheus replaces aetos with a fighter jet

[spare kite]

For chronos it makes sense if it works like h1

[willow phoenix]

Prometheus with a pet eris on his shoulder

Straight up combines the boss fight

[stable lichen]

the worst possible outcome would be to have aetos constantly attack throughout the fight

a very simple change but an extremely evil one

[willow phoenix]

Tbh I don't remember the unlock condition for em4 in h1 lol

[spare kite]

Post credits + dialogue with dad

[stable lichen]

finish bringing mum home i think

one of these days i guarantee haelian is gonna do something like "can i beat 32 fear while aetos is constantly attacking me all game"

[willow phoenix]

So then probably the same? Since I imagine the same oath would apply bothways

[stable lichen]

also why the hell is charybdis actually awful to fight

every time i swear i lose more health to it than eris

especially with the anchor dudes

this feels like lernie on steroids

[cursive heron]

Yeah I find Charybdis harder than Eris lol.

[wind kettle]

the tentacles have a very slow telegraph when they are about to spin and the blobs that explode in pieces can be negated by going to one side of the half circle arena and sprinting as soon as the first blob might hit u

[stable lichen]

the thing i find hardest about eris is the fire lol

every time you put a toe in it say goodbye to 10 hp

im thankful heightened security doesnt exist

what's everyone's opinion on approval process V the vow that prevents other boons from appearing when you choose one

might be a hot take but id honestly prefer the former in H2 especially since you get 10 rerolls

[cursive heron]

The blobs mid tentacle phase often checkmate me if they do the wave attack

[spare kite]

Ap2 sucks

[stable lichen]

2 does ig but 1 is fine

1 was borderline tolerable even with 4 rerolls

[spare kite]

Denial is like, whatever at most if you make sure to not get forced into swaps

[cursive heron]

That is a scalding take yes

[tall notch]

The vow we have in h2 is so much easier to deal with. Especially now that it actually shows you whcih boons are gone and you don't have to memorise/write it doiwn

[stable lichen]

wait it does?

[spare kite]

In the codex boon list

[stable lichen]

oh thats good to know

[tall notch]

I think that's a patch 5 change?

[spare kite]

But yeah there's like, one person who really likes AP at all to the point they have it modded in here

Most people just hated it, is neat as a chaos curse tho

[stable lichen]

i didnt like it in H1 but felt like it could be a decent option for H2 since we have 10 rerolls

also is it just me or are rerolls just a lot worse now

ive had like multiple times ive had to reroll 3-4 times for one core boon to show up

did they remove core boon priority

[spare kite]

I think cores have less priority now

[stable lichen]

damn

[cursive heron]

... lol. Wuh. How could you think AP2 is better and then think that rerolling is worse hahaha

[spare kite]

You also have 1 extra core to compete with (mp regen)

[stable lichen]

worse as in i barely get my core boons while rerolling

although that's a god pool problem more than a reroll problem i didnt word it especially well

[wind kettle]

it's just not fun seeing a good boon getting crossed out

[cursive heron]

Nah I meant more that ap2 would just grossly exacerbate that issue

[silent crow]

no h1 had calls

[spare kite]

Calls weren't priority

[stable lichen]

i didnt know they changed core priority i thought i was just being hilariously unlucky lol

[spare kite]

Is why they never show up in the first boon (unless you reroll) like the other 4 cores

[cursive heron]

The issue (Amongst dozens) with AP2 in H1 was that it was such an unfun pact that you only took it at really high heat. At which point if you don't get a build together in Tartarus you just lose. So it was either play modded or play infinite roulette for a meaningful hammer + boon start

[stable lichen]

i just kept dying until i found a run with the boon i wanted at the start

and then just kept attempting on that seed

its a bit of an exploit ig but eh

[spare kite]

Or your name was retrash

[cursive heron]

I mean he cleared em4 with a used toothpick he doesn't count

[spare kite]

Lmfao

[surreal hazel]

Calls still contributed to a lot of duos and legendaries iirc

(sometimes very badly, sometimes amazingly)

[spare kite]

Yes they are still cores, but the priority system didn't apply for them

[stable lichen]

speaking of duos is it just me or are duos a lot less powerful generally in H2

or am i just not using the right ones

[cursive heron]

They are yeah. Mostly anyway

[spare kite]

The meh ones are really meh

[surreal hazel]

uhhhhh, hrm, hard to say. I think some H1 Duos were downright busted (lightning rod says hi)

[wind kettle]

yep

I can't remember the last time a duo changed my run drastically

[surreal hazel]

I think they're a lot more creative and interesting this time around

[cursive heron]

Infusions took a lot of the power budget of duos I think

[wind kettle]

maybe the Zeus Demeter combo for giga dmg

[stable lichen]

what does that do

[surreal hazel]

Because a lot of H1 duos weren't exactly active, you just got more damage doing stuff you already did

[wind kettle]

zaps lightning into frozen enemies

[spare kite]

Frozen enemies get lightning'd iirc?

[stable lichen]

why does that remind me of curse of longing

[surreal hazel]

Honestly that one is probably the most middling Duo going, in the literal sense

[wind kettle]

because it changes nothing to your playstyle

[surreal hazel]

as in, it's never bad, but it's hard to enhance it (only double strike and cold storage influence it)

[spare kite]

I'd say that title goes to killer current

[stable lichen]

i feel like a lot of the good H1 duos we’re cast changing ones which i haven’t seen many of in H2

hunting blades, meme beam, ice wine, even mirage shot to some extent

[surreal hazel]

You have things like incandescent aura which can be absolutely nuts

[cursive heron]

I like the duos and hammers being less pure damage multipliery. It makes them feel less necessary to RNG into to make a build work

[surreal hazel]

Ransom is very cool in how it's a big descision and has all kinds of cost benefit going on, including waiting to get it later

[stable lichen]

then again the cast was a lot more varied in H1 since it’s harder to innovate on ground trap circle compared to generic moving projectile

[cursive heron]

Like H1 bow didn't feel real without Twin or Triple Shot. That's terrible design

[surreal hazel]

Beach ball is kinda fun (and literally buggy with Aspect of Nyx but shhhhh)

[surreal hazel]

Flurry shot was way too good

[stable lichen]

twin shot rama was so good

[surreal hazel]

But also they steered away from hammer upgrades that remove your abilities

[stable lichen]

also flurry jab was just hilariously busted on the spear

[surreal hazel]

the original rapid onslaught took away omega attacks so you could just hold to attack

but they got removed in patch 2 iirc because ew

[stable lichen]

that’s just flurry jab reskinned

but probably without the overpowered dashstrike feature that it had

[surreal hazel]

yeah, but you can play the spear without ever charging it just fine, omegas are more deeply integrated

[stable lichen]

yeah that checks out

of all things they brought back i can’t believe they decided bringing back world splitter for the axe was a great idea

[rugged moon]

i... really dont know how i won that run. I made so many silly decisions

world splitter is fun?

[half sigil]

Wait rapid frame on black coat also increase omega attack speed??

[stable lichen]

yeah but it just makes you so vulnerable

[surreal hazel]

We still have a few duoduds, Glorious Disaster is a boon I take for the name

[spare kite]

World splitter in axe makes a lot more sense

[spare kite]

Play it with Than axe

[stable lichen]

it’s so slooooooooow

[surreal hazel]

speeding up omegas also applies to channelling time, yes, and it says "attacks"

[half sigil]

yea i guess that makes sense

[rugged moon]

i really really hate the attack vs attacks wording

[surreal hazel]

all upgrades with "Frame" in the name apply to both normal and omega, only Melting Cross applies just to attack

[stable lichen]

i took it once because i saw the big number on my very first axe run, quickly realised it was world splitter then proceeded to avoid it like the plague

[spare kite]

My first win was with it lmfao

[surreal hazel]

KABONG builds can be hilarious

[rugged moon]

👍 it can also be used to good effectiveness. is fine to not like it tho

[surreal hazel]

especially with executioner's chop

[stable lichen]

idk i just don’t like suddenly standing still because i’m so used to the attack combo

[rugged moon]

mhmm it takes getting use to, like it IS a very big downside that you have to learn to work around or it will get you killed

like, i dont think its always good to take, and it CAN kill you. but also if you can managet o work around its downside it also gives a massive boost

[stable lichen]

arguably even harder in H2 since the axe is slower and you have one dash

[spare kite]

You can still do the arthur thing and dash mid swing

[surreal hazel]

Attack and dash before the swing

[stable lichen]

i think after i took it my first thought was “so this is why they never gave arthur world splitter”

[surreal hazel]

Leaping chop

[spare kite]

I only take it on Than tbf

[stable lichen]

yeah i was never a big arthur fan icl

it’s not for everyone

[rugged moon]

yeah, Than makes it much more reasonable

like, Than - Rapid Slash - Big Chop is Hillarious

[spare kite]

Speedy axe is fun in general

[rugged moon]

im really annoyed that mel axe doesnt apply its power to the omega. its really really weird

[stable lichen]

i love psychic cyclone or whatever it’s called

[spare kite]

Add fine tuning - droplet - whatever the normals speed boon from hermes is called

[stable lichen]

the one that allows you to attack and dash during the cyclone slash

[spare kite]

How much do the spins do again

[rugged moon]

50

[spare kite]

I can kinda see why they don't wanna give it +35 power

Idk just luck into seething marauder

[rugged moon]

i mean thats essentially the same damage as the basic attack

[spare kite]

That hammer is silly

[rugged moon]

Dash attack is 40, attack combo is 40-80-160

[stable lichen]

which ones that again apologies i’ve only been playing for around 2 weeks

[rugged moon]

its the new one

[spare kite]

60 dmg shockwave around you each slash

[rugged moon]

every attack does 60 aoe, so spin which attacks repeatedly triggers it ever spin

[stable lichen]

oh that one is fun

[rugged moon]

(dont use psychic whirlwind with it tho, it doesnt work)

[spare kite]

Apparently it breaks if you get psychic

[stable lichen]

wait what

[rugged moon]

psychic whirlwind makes the spin one single attack

[stable lichen]

oh it’s psychic whirlwind not psychic cyclone

i still think mine sounds better

[rugged moon]

[X] Whirlwind is the name for all of the hammer boons that effect O-Attack

[stable lichen]

fair enough

i just like the alliteration

[rugged moon]

Furious, Psychic, and the now deleted Advancing Whirlwind

2 50f Weapons left

That moros was so silly. next is Charon, final is Medea

[hollow stag]

What are good boons for dash knives?

[untold zodiac]

back burner, passion rush and most specials tbh (Zeus' for sure)

[red ocean]

which aspect is better for omega cast builds, momus or charon?

[low bear]

Zeus is probably great with Trick Knives

[low bear]

Charon definitely, Momus's best build is Wicked + Mirrored normal attack spam lol, though Momus is also fun with a general omega build

[red ocean]

alr, ty

[rugged moon]

Mel staff is great for o cast

Geyser spout go brr

[low bear]

Mel o cast build hurts my thumb due to having to hold Circle to charge omega constantly and then dashing sprinting everywhere lol

[desert mist]

does athenas keepsake work in the Rift?

[cursive oyster]

not atm due to a bug

[desert mist]

darn

[hollow dagger]

Are chaos blessing boons ? As in can i get rarify a chaos boon using narcissus keepsake ?

[low bear]

nope afaik, they also don't trigger vow of Arrogance (priming magick when you take anything above common)

[iron grail]

does luckier tooth count as DD with regard to the strength card?

[spare kite]

Yes

[iron grail]

ok thanks ^^

i am at tartarus with my first strength run. I kept silken sash for the two previous biomes. Should i switch to knuckle bones or keep silken sash?

i have like 100 armor rn

[spare kite]

I usually do pin in case I mess up the insta kill

Could also do antler if you wanna dps race him

[low bear]

oh I was wondering does Echo/Athena restore your Toula DD?

[iron grail]

never tried the pin and i have like 365 max life so would not try antler either

[low bear]

what other keepsakes do you have and what weapon

Pin is probably one of the best ones to take to Tartarus

[iron grail]

i have all keepsakes available, just not leveled up. Already used athena in first biome

[low bear]

I recommend Pin honestly, what does rank 1 pin give

[iron grail]

how do you kill chronos in less than 10 sec?

[spare kite]

With strength is less about the hp and just the 10s hail mary

[low bear]

10s hail mary is usually enough to just yolo ungga bungga Chronos P2 after he summons the tempus

[spare kite]

If you get insta kill'd on the first half of p2 there's not saving it

2nd half just mash your dps combo and hope for the best

[iron grail]

will try that, thanks for the tip

[willow phoenix]

With pin you usually get enough time to just finish the boss fight if they ran out of invulnerability phase

[low bear]

it can also save you when you transition from P1 to P2

there aren't really any other good ones to take, experimental hammer hard maybe but the chances are low you get something good, fig leaf if you have a timer and it's low

[iron grail]

i have lots of time, will take the pin

[spare kite]

Knuckle duster dmg reduction is like a drop of water when paired with strength anyways

[low bear]

chaos could also maybe give you something good but the chances are also low there and depends on the aspect

you'll probably get something useless

[hollow dagger]

For tartarus i always Hammer, you will always finish tartarus in under 10 encounters, so that's a free hammer buff

[low bear]

if you don't take detours and take free rooms then you can actually get the hammer to Chronos even equiping it before Oceanus

I think someone said on here all you have to do is get at least a midshop in Oceanus and probably Miniboss/echo in fields and you're guaranteed to get it to Chronos (again assuming no Tart detours)

and it is also aspect dependent since you don't get to choose the hammer, there are some pretty bad ones like Hell Splitter on the wrong Axe build or -1 skull for the Skulls

[hollow dagger]

Every encounter is separate in fields of morning tho right ? So that's quite random i feel like

i can imagine if you take it before fields, but before oceanus ?

One nice thing i discovered , after you unequip the chaos trinket, the chaos boon that you had remains, not sure if anyone here knows about this

[rugged moon]

Max of 8 encounters in fields if take shortest pth

[past salmon]

If you take all the quick rooms offered to you experimental hammer does last all the way to Chronos

[hollow dagger]

Oh right i forgot it also increases in levels, i still have it at level 1

[rugged moon]

3, mini, 3, boss

[past salmon]

?
It's 7 at max and that's rlly bad RNG
Unless Ur counting Cerb
If so my bad

[hollow dagger]

just recently started euipping it, my bad

[rugged moon]

Am counting cerb

[past salmon]

If you get double 3 encounter fields it is possible to lose the hammer.
But that like never happens so it will totally be fine!

[rugged moon]

Yeah, max of 8, typically only 7

[low bear]

I've never gotten double 3 I think, but I have had the odd 3-2-boss-echo pattern

[rugged moon]

Have definitely gotten double 3 once or twice

[low bear]

or was it 3-2-echo-boss can't remember

[rugged moon]

It’s painful

[low bear]

yeah it definitely would be lol

I've also never gotten fields midshop but it apparently exists LOL

but the most common by far is 2-boss-echo-3 right?

[rugged moon]

Yeah

[low bear]

I found having 5 gods in the pool seems to consistently change the fields order I'm not sure if that's actually in the code

[rugged moon]

Ive also started sometimes taking fig into fields so i can take a boost keepsake into chronos because firlds is probably my second most damage and some of the fights are obnoxious

glares at a certain needle throwing plant who once had teleport and roots

[low bear]

that's why I lowkey love the sheep hex

[past salmon]

I think this is only a thing if it's a really early run on a file

[low bear]

huh that's interesting that early runs actually affects that

is it because they don't introduce echo right away?

[past salmon]

Yeh I think so

[low bear]

now I wonder what fields midshop looks like

[rugged moon]

It might also be seeing echo removes it. So if you dont go to echo you can get shop instead even later in a file

[past salmon]

It's the same room as echo just a shop

[low bear]

would be kinda neat if they put midshop back in as something that always appears in parallel with echo

[past salmon]

Probs not cuz I think it's only offered before they offer echo to you

[low bear]

you're probably taking echo most of the time but hey if you're rich

[past salmon]

This would make getting 2-2 fields encounters way easier

Which might be a good thing

[low bear]

wait is 2-2 also possible?

I do think I got it once but I dunno if there are specific conditions before it actually becomes possible

[hollow dagger]

I think i actually had a 2-2 last run. or it was 2-boss-2 actually , i ended the run with 2 tickers on the chaos boon trinket

[past salmon]

yeah
2-2
or 2-boss-echo-2

it's just rare

@amber dagger should move into here for general conversation #h2-victory-boasting message

I'm not really sure tbh, I think Skelly should just tell you about them after beating a few testaments maybe?
I'm not sure on the exact requirements

[amber dagger]

ok i beat like 12 testaments

[carmine lagoon]

Fun fact: if you sell Bridal Glow, the boons don't downgrade

[rugged moon]

Sure don't 😛

points at my like, 9 Heroic Boon Clear

[desert mist]

does Incandescent Aura work?

its either so minor i cant notice it or straight up doesnt do anything with born gain or hearth gain

[rugged moon]

its a single blueish AOE around you that occurs when you gain mana

[low bear]

level 59 is crazy bom level lol

[low bear]

yeah it's a pretty neat combo

I really wish Spiteful Strength wasn't taken out

[rugged moon]

it totally got upgraded being a well item

[past salmon]

Danaid daggers r fire tho

imo it was a good change

[low bear]

true danaid is really good but kinda random pick up

[rugged moon]

was a super disappoint 90 % of time

[low bear]

a shakle keepsake version would be interesting too

but the % would need to be a lot lower to balance

[rugged moon]

which would make it useless

[low bear]

I was really hoping for Danaid in my winning Charon run because I didn't get a special until Tart end shop lol

[low bear]

throw it in with like 50% of the other keepsakes

Also I miss Hecate's old keepsake

[rugged moon]

i feel like only a third are useless 😛

[low bear]

slow down doesn't seem worth it for an entire keepsake

Wheel can get you out of a really bad jam when you don't have a good gain by Tartarus (which Hecuba does enable)

[rugged moon]

but yeah daniad was part of my wining pan run because it just murder hecate for me

[low bear]

evil eye is kinda a meme keepsake

and Dora's is pretty bad too

[daring burrow]

So you can only get melting swipe via experimental hammer?

[rugged moon]

can get normally too

[stable lichen]

ty

that worked second time round (i severely underestimated FO2 cerbie first time round)

if that was that stress inducing i am not looking forward to the surface

[crimson wave]

charon with aphro special lucid gain incandescent aura and exceptional talent🤤

[stable lichen]

i just went dem cast apollo gain and then nothing really appeared for me

i tried getting hera special for privileged status but that just didnt show up

[surreal hazel]

That's not a boon

Proper upbringing?

[stable lichen]

the bonus damage when 2 statuses arcana (privileged status in H1)

i just tend to default to H1 terms for equivalents sorry

force of habit

[bold garnet]

i found a fun op combo: warmth gain, mirrored thrasher and spirit surge. I didnt have the best rarity for the run but i imagine it can dominate

[magic moss]

warmth gain + mirrored thrasher has been the op staff combo for a while now but yeah it is op

[bold garnet]

yeah its so fun

[cursive oyster]

wicked mirrored my beloved

[stable lichen]

is there any way to stop the olympus machine gunners from just sniping and stunlocking you from offscreen with FO4

i was having a good 32 fear run and then i just got instastunlocked from the other side of the room lmao im not even mad that was too funny

[thorn raven]

Athena cast or immunity after damage are both good bets

[stable lichen]

damn

to think that i picked up divine dash in the room right before

shouldve picked up holy shield ig

(i wonder if the enemy offscreen snipe thing is intended ngl)

[magic moss]

nah divine dash is still arguably better

im fairly confident it is just straight better, but ill leave it as arguably

[thorn raven]

Has anyone tried Posiedon splash on attack + Black Coat with the Exhaust Riser hammer?

[magic moss]

its really strong

[dry mirage]

might just be really lucky, but Pan with poseidon special, apollo legendary, and spiral knives is really nasty

[thorn raven]

I was gonna try to set up a run for it

[thorn raven]

does it need anything else to shine?

poseidon legendary obv but anything not obvious?

ill slip origination in with cast somehow

[dry mirage]

what does exhaust riser hammer do?

[thorn raven]

Dash strike hits +3 times

[dry mirage]

oh nice i might try that, what aspect?

[magic moss]

heres the thing, im assuming you aren't playing above 32 fear and anything above the first core boon is just an added bonus to help you clear in low fear. All it really needs is pos attack with exhaust riser to function, but ofc you'd want things like arctic ring to add defensive utility as you're essentially melee perma, hephaestus is great, etc

[thorn raven]

Nah im actually working my way through the fear challenges for the coat as I finished the other weps, next run is 24 fear. I've been trying to theorycraft differnt hex companions for builds, does any hex lend itself to the rapid hitting builds that posiedon produces?

[magic moss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1gby4ht/a_guide_on_xinth_the_black_coat/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[thorn raven]

I'm using aspect of mel, does that not benefit exh riser? should I be using Selene?

[magic moss]

exh riser works very well on mel you're fine

selene has a very different playstyle that would rather have other hammers since the exh riser gameplay loop encorporates very little omega usage

[thorn raven]

I love me a good one button spam build

[daring burrow]

15 runs with the witches staff, countless hammers, no melting swipe 😦

Also just unlocked xinth but don't see anywhere to upgrade its aspects? Do I need to do a run with it first?

[rugged moon]

upgradign is a seperate tab of the middle pools

[urban prairie]

After 24 runs I finally beat Chronos for the first time! I'm pumped the tank build for the Black Cloak is awesome!

[stuck ether]

Id say exh riser is best on mel bc the other 2 dont directly benefit it while mel helps when not dash strike + movespeed is great

[strange python]

is there a name for the build where you stack all the funny cast boons that you can (super nova, arctic circle, prominence flare)