h2-builds-and-combat

[terse bear]

you're right, I confused the two. regardless, the one that increases missile speed wouldn't let me fire more than one set of missiles at a time

[lime bay]

aye.

[terse bear]

I had both of those hammers on my run

[surreal hazel]

Furious rockets is... yeah. Needs some bonus damage somewhere

[fallen iris]

The BONK build is real

[surreal hazel]

Or increased lockon width or depth

Something

[terse bear]

yeah...

[lament spoke]

bonk build...

[terse bear]

lock on width would be pretty cool actually

[lament spoke]

is hell splitter like. the equivalent of whichever hammer made the sword just do a big chop

[surreal hazel]

It's some nice qol stuff, and you can spam specials while punching more freely

[surreal hazel]

World splitter, but hell splitter

(That's a yes)

[lament spoke]

interesting

i wasn't much a fan of it back then - it made attacks feel pretty slow

[surreal hazel]

Noticably different to use though

[surreal hazel]

It was hilariously powerful though. 4x base damage

[spare kite]

world splitter was meh

tho that's kinda anything that's not double edge so whatever sword moment

[lament spoke]

i like how. idk a good word for it - tactile daggers feel? like, there's lots of input, lots of movement, it feels fast to play even if you don't technically kill anything faster

[lime bay]

Problem? Nah. It died.

Love me some Hell Splitter shenanigans.

[surreal hazel]

I dislike the skulls because of how much time youre spending not doing stuff

[spare kite]

hell splitter fun for than's axe

[lament spoke]

i have played skulls apparently twice

i do not like skulls. well i mean i love skulls the bone, but not the weapon

[terse bear]

The only skull one I like is Medea, reminds me of beowolf

[surreal hazel]

I just had all pf the speed buffs on mel xinth of a 40% faster prom fight

[lime bay]

I have a fondness for it on base axe, but mainly just because +attack damage makes big number go up.

[surreal hazel]

Pass me more coffee, game go fast

[terse bear]

dang

[surreal hazel]

300 in 0.7x the time. Or 335, errrr?

Than is clearly better for bonking

[spare kite]

yeah more power to 300 base dmg feels kinda less appealing lol

[lament spoke]

speeeeeeeed

[surreal hazel]

Also I reiterate, nova strike on xinth is busted. 75% bigger attacks

[lament spoke]

does anyone have tips for making moros torches feel less like they're just about holding attack for 800 years

[lime bay]

Yeah but I don't have any levels in the Aspect of Thanatos :<

[idle glade]

Nothing wrong with bonk builds

[terse bear]

bird is really fun with the axe btw. I had a run where I got an illegal amount of crits

[surreal hazel]

Axe is only 20% bigger, blades and staff are 40%

[lime bay]

Been too busy spending my Nightmares on Aspect of Selene for Xinth.

[spare kite]

that's pretty much it

[terse bear]

not sure how that will hold up at higher fear though

[spare kite]

you can cast in the middle of your attacks ig

[odd moat]

can someone send me an arcana page for wave strike xinth?

[lament spoke]

sigh

i'm gonna try a thaxe run. also try and level fig leaf/gorgon some

if fig leaf levels up mid-run do i get another free chamber?

[lime bay]

I mean, I have an arcana page that's usable for Xinth, but it's not exactly tailored to a specific version of it.

I can throw it at you if you want, but it's a bit of a wacky setup afaik

[odd moat]

go for it

[terse bear]

I don't think so, it didn't in Haelians video earlier

[odd moat]

I have nothing so anything is good, even as a base

[lime bay]

Uh... do I need a role to post images in this chat?

I can't seem to send images.

[spare kite]

send somewhere else (like a dm or private discord) then right click, copy link
or use imgur/similar sites

[lime bay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1135660645883318282/1298036919229349980/Screenshot_2024-10-21_123045.png?ex=67181a95&is=6716c915&hm=748b2fac1fc2372b16c26dbf0527ed69f6fa85d8762d6fb954571853c2ced92c&

Ah. There we go.

@odd moat I DM'd it to you as well, but here's the build.

(Also if others want to scrutinize it now they can lol)

[spare kite]

what's unseen doin there

[high trellis]

As a First Boon would you guys take Volcanic Flourish or Fixed Gain {Hapthestus Special or Hapthestus -10% dmg}

[spare kite]

neither

[high trellis]

well the other choice is Stamp rush

[spare kite]

what weapon is this actually

[past salmon]

what is this arcana page

[lime bay]

Fills out the line for the Rare Boon card and it's nice for times you wanna spam Xinth special or something.

[high trellis]

Aspect of Artemis Silver Sisters Rank V

[spare kite]

oh just take flourish then

[high trellis]

[spare kite]

might as well have a nuke button.

[jovial cove]

is there any weapon where hephestus attack/special really pops off

[lime bay]

Look, I just wanna go Unga Bunga.

[spare kite]

divinity is neat but excellence is overkill

[past salmon]

Excellence isnt overkill its just ass 😭

[lime bay]

Good boon rarities, damage for all the things, and enough HP and DR to get away with basically face-tanking the boss.

[past salmon]

5 grasp for 50% more rare boons is so bad

[lime bay]

idk it's felt alright to me.

[spare kite]

most stuff doesn't even have decent rarity scaling

[lime bay]

Look, lemme cook.

Maybe.

[spare kite]

the kitchen's already burning

[lime bay]

I could maybe swap out Exellence, but idk what I'd swap it to lol

[jovial cove]

don't worry it's scorch so we'll have plenty of time to evacuate

[magic moss]

we got boatman vs origination, this guy bringing in the excellence from out of nowhere

[spare kite]

Watch out watch out! Here comes excellence with the plastic chair!

[past salmon]

wait he doesnt even have orig on

[lime bay]

I am but a chef in the kitchen of deranged ideas.

[ocean ibex]

remember when artificer cost 6

[wind kettle]

I've been rocking Poseidon Hestia duo on Mel coat. did i stumble upon the meta?

[past salmon]

idk what mel coat meta is
It works with a lot

[lime bay]

tbh I think it's just coat meta.

coat op

[silent crow]

how do you actualy build nyx coat lioke actually

[lament spoke]

got erised with the bonk build :/

[hallow glacier]

i think right click build might be the play

just get the card where you can sprint faster and get the mana regen card

and focus on getting boons for right click then just charge at a enemy and attack at a distance

i would send a picture but i dont have perms

[lament spoke]

you can send it to a private server then copy image link

[hallow glacier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841902396091269153/1298044305855746058/image.png?ex=67182177&is=6716cff7&hm=7a70d74fd8ffcd91cbfd83131903f41801dd577347f40fc157a0729277e5822b&

this is my build i got going rn

[sick wigeon]

This is super silly but I don’t understand how to use the nightspawn that’s generated by the black coat. Unsure what it means by splitting my attack and special in two

[hallow glacier]

so basically when you charge into something after fully charging

try meleeing and right clicking you can see when you melee you hit twice and when you right click you can see you shoot 2 missles

[lament spoke]

what's your right click mapped to?

[hallow glacier]

special

[lament spoke]

ahha

i remapped it to cast and special to clicking the scrollwheel

[hallow glacier]

i cant lmfao that seems too confusing to me

[lament spoke]

i was forgetting to do whichever one wasn't on the mouse lmao

[sick wigeon]

Thank you so much!!

And does that happen every time you do it over the 5 seconds

[hallow glacier]

so when you successfully charge soemthing on the bottom left where you health is you can see a blue orb thats your timer

as long as you got mana you can spam it and yes that nightspawn thingy is consistent throughout the 5 seconds it active

[rugged moon]

question. i got lucky so i didnt get to test it. Can bridal glow be sold at a red well?

[spare kite]

yeah

[rugged moon]

nice. thats honestly a pretty huge buff

pick it up in erebus at 50 fear when you only have like... 4 total boons? a reroll basicly gurentees you can get rid of it and just get to heroics

(by got lucky i mean hestia just deleted it for me, so i still got my heroics)

[high trellis]

I feel like I shouldn't send my whole Run description here but what would you guys use as Olympus Keepsake {Havent Met either new person so neither keepsake there}

[amber dagger]

whats good on selene

[high trellis]

Dark Side Full Moon, +40% dmg and +3% to dodge after use, +10 to guardians and +30% cast dmg, Her keepsake is tier 1

[amber dagger]

i mean build wise

[high trellis]

I dont understand then, ask me the question like im braindead because apparently i am

[amber dagger]

whatboons on selene good

[high trellis]

Oh like the names of them?

[amber dagger]

like what should i put on attack special ect

[high trellis]

Ok I thought You meant something about my run,,,

[amber dagger]

i have no idea about your run i didnt look lol

[hallow glacier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841902396091269153/1298057369871323196/image.png?ex=67182da1&is=6716dc21&hm=784f2ea67c9cd2163557aa5e0de99aeca7b9155fcb76477477e1a92479462603&

just beat chronos with nyx aspect for the coat

special build is the play for nyx

[silent crow]

i like building with smth % based on attack

[loud moat]

Volcanic flourish is great on Coat. Get the cooldown reduced with some poms, pick up the Hammer that fires your Speciall 25% of the time automatically.

Then just throw whatever boon you want on the attack. Run into enemies, attack and throw out CLANG every 3 seconds

I gotta say, regardless of weapon, I’m in love with Hephaestus CLANG builds. It’s not necessarily meta but with poms and some support it pops off. It’s always so satisfying.

[amber dagger]

clang?

[loud moat]

Volcanic Strike and Flourish

High cooldowns at first, but can be buffed to 2 seconds

They also got a brand new animation this patch

[amber dagger]

im stupid i was thinking of hestia boons lol

[loud moat]

Even better with the Hestia Duo. It doubles your CLANGS if you use them right after they come off cooldown.

[autumn nymph]

ive gotten heroic attack on argent skull to around 2 second cd so every shot can be clang

[loud moat]

The best is getting it on Momus Staff. I’m pretty sure it can proc off of your turret.

Low cooldown Volcanic Strike is just dopamine injected into me

[amber dagger]

does it proc off the hammer that fires special?

[loud moat]

Yes. For coat you mean? If you have Volcanic Flourish, then it will still proc cause it’s shooting your special

[amber dagger]

like always proc or only off cooldown

[loud moat]

Always cooldown

[amber dagger]

k

[loud moat]

I had a fun build with Knives and the Volcanic Special last patch. Was so sick. Jumping around attacking with attack then I’d flick out a knife into a group of enemies for a big CLANG.

It can help you punch through armor quickly.

I think I had Aphro cast for the pull in.

[warped harness]

is a second god boon keepsake just useless on the surface

ive never seen it actually give something

ive taken the adamant shard up so many times and gotten nothing

heph isnt real

[amber dagger]

hestia attack volcanic speical apollo sprint posiedon cast seems like a good idea

[onyx trench]

I was a hater on the new Strength change

[wind kettle]

it does feel useless

[onyx trench]

I have now come around on the Strength Arcana. It’s actually a viable alternative to Eternity, and Dora’s keepsake actually becomes super invaluable for keeping health high

[loud moat]

If you’re running the Aphro boon for the damage increase above 80% health it’s clutch too.

[steel sequoia]

i did not enjoyed this as if ive played attack https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1298076265663823942/20241021211102_1.jpg?ex=67183f3a&is=6716edba&hm=7038d29d9ca75bf6408753ffc4bbaf5dee81a5515d7bd539b1c136e6f4b74638&

[onyx trench]

I didn’t even think of that. I almost rarely pick it because my health is always a mess, but now that I’m changing my load out…hmm…

[past salmon]

@magic moss I am trying so very hard to actually use Omegas rn

why is the staffs damage so bad
I'm really trying man 😭

[magic moss]

:)))))

[warped harness]

the surface feels so bad to go through dawg im actually just suffering

[bleak night]

Lol true

[jovial cove]

for me it's just the guys on olympus that give me trouble

the robots appear to be immune to the slow from cast circle

or I'll get one of those big shooty boys on a boat with no cover

[tough vapor]

selene xinth with a zues sprint build is so funny to me, im just zooming around at the speed of sound raining lightning and moon beams

[long girder]

What's a decent arcana load out for general play?

[warped harness]

i fought talos for the first time

got absolutely rocked using the xinth

[steel sequoia]

looks like im not a strenght player, i miss my DDs

first time prometheus is rough, good luck next runs

[tough vapor]

got stuck with hera boons and then never got a single zues boon past the city to even try for kings ransom which is why I kept grabbing hera boons lol, didnt go great lmao

[warped harness]

i love strength

[royal skiff]

i was gonna post my build seeing what i should take but i cant post anything

[warped harness]

big fan of strength, its brought me close to the top of olympus again

[spare kite]

send somewhere else (like a dm or private discord) then right click, copy link
or use imgur/similar sites

[desert mountain]

What's the build for Momus these days? Apollo on special and spam omega casts?

Or does Aphrodite work if you go point blank after setting up the projection?

[uncut wren]

so coming in for the new update, is it just me or is the new dagger special...slower?

[tall notch]

Regular attack spam with the op hammers I think

[desert mountain]

So no omega casting at all?

[tall notch]

Yeah, staff omegas kinda suck. They're usable if you really want to but it's extra investment for moves that both aren't very powerful and feel somewhat awkward to use

[desert mountain]

Bet

[tall notch]

But if you actually like staff omegas, @magic moss is the biggest staff coper most experienced with the weapon. He coached me to my first 50f staff!

[bleak night]

Do the other 2 Coat aspects pls

[vale shard]

I def swapped and it feels better

[tall notch]

I haven't been playing

[bleak night]

[warped harness]

healthy rebound with strength is insane

[safe dock]

So, I'm trying to finish up my Testament runs (I'm down to my last), and I have to run 16 heat and win with Staff vs Prometheus, and I just don't play with the staff much. Can anyone give me some boon direction to help me out (post update). I have everything unlocked. I'm not the best player, but I've beat it on 32 heat. Basic boon builds advice?

[magic moss]

XD

[low copper]

So I fully understand what interacts with Exhaust Riser or not - anything that says "Attack" only impacts regular punching, whereas anything that has "Attacks" impacts attack, dash-attack, and o-attack?

[bleak night]

Honestly, you can win anything at 16-24 by just running Storm Ring and running around + building to maximize its damage. Try Storm Ring with Origination and look for Arctic Gale, then find put Blitz on your Attack or Special since it'll instapop anyway. If you have timer at 9/area it's kinda effortless

[tall notch]

"attack" works on dash attack too but otherwise you are right

[past salmon]

I think they changed something with dash attacks this patch actually

[tall notch]

Oh? Do things that give attack power no longer work with them?

[low copper]

Yeah, that's why I'm confused, it feels like a lot of attack stuff isn't applying to dash attacks

[bleak night]

They dont all count for the "Attacks" boost boons and stuff now

[tall notch]

Mel axe enjoyers in shambles 😭

[spare kite]

Wait what

[bleak night]

Yeah Marauder doesn't work on Dash Strike

No Marauder + Dashing Heave is tragic, would've slapped

[past salmon]

Aspect of dashing heave did not need this 😭

[tall notch]

That's such a strange change. Is it in the patch notes even? I'd f10 if this happened to me

Does dash strike even get the Mel aspect attack power?

[bleak night]

It does ye

[tall notch]

Oh so it's also inconsistent now. Might actually be a bug?

[spare kite]

Some sword hammers also didn't work with dash strikes back in h1 so I can see them doing it on purpose

[warped harness]

do i run judgement in overworld or underworld

[low copper]

Extra Dose doesn't seem to work on dash strike either? Or at least the "2x" symbol never appears for me

[jovial cove]

thinking Mel aspect might be the best one for black coat
the movement buff makes positioning a lot easier
and you're not locked out of better hexes like with selene

[steel sequoia]

mel atk is prolly the best, S tier to me

[past salmon]

weird take with Selene, Sky Fall is almost definitely the best hex in the game

[jovial cove]

is it

[willow phoenix]

Yea skyfall owns

[jovial cove]

I feel like I have to do a lot of investment in moon rooms to get skyfall to where it's good

[willow phoenix]

Use selene keepsake, helps a lot. The other hexes are also not that strong without upgrades anyway.

[steel sequoia]

i only care about skyfall, phase shift and howl

rest is filler

[bleak night]

If you start Moon Beam it's good instantly, ngl it's kinda worth also because 7 of 8 gods are good on it

[steel sequoia]

which god is the bad one?

[bleak night]

Hestia kinda mid on it

Missiles dont deploy fast enough for scorch to stack, and you want % boosts on your attack since Shield Bash charged to full is heavy damage while Skyfall is pelting your target

With Pos you can get missiles, so he's the worst of the 7, aside from early Heph since you dont want his cores

Even then, Wave Flourish missiles aren't bad

Just that unlike all the others, Pos only has the one boon you actually care about

[past salmon]

tbf I'd say heph is bad on it
like the only boons you want are boons you want regardless of aspect so

[bleak night]

Fair

I believe in Apollo Attack for shield bashing now

It covers a large portion of the screen so it's funny

[onyx trench]

Big bash

I could see heroic heph on the coat attack

I also just had a run where I got the cooldown to three seconds on the axe

[loud moat]

I just found a bug for the blades combined with Apollos Legendary.

It doubles your omega attacks

If you cast the omega special it’ll double it, but then it also causes you to throw the omega attack AGAIN if you press special right afterwards.

So it banks up 1 addition omega attacks you can throw out for free after the first one. Haven’t checked if it’s the same with the attack.

[bleak night]

That's kinda cool actually

[tulip sonnet]

aside from zeus flourish what are some good missile boons

[past salmon]

Hera and Poseidon ig

[loud moat]

Yea it’s dope. Not overpowered but cool nonetheless. I had Heras Special so it wasn’t super amazing but cool. I wonder how it’d react with Pan aspect though. I had Artemis going.

[tulip sonnet]

poseidon? i never got why uncle poz was a good boon for it but i’ll try it next run!

[last cape]

Speaking of Poseidon, do the extra attacks/rockets from aspect of nyx not get your attack and special boons? I was going to try a Poseidon rocket build but realized that the extra rockets weren't splashing

[last cape]

Unironically heph for some builds

Without a curse to apply the rockets are pretty whatever ngl and heph flourish was buffed last patch

But yeah otherwise I usually try to just go for a curse on them, preferably Demeter or Zeus

[tulip sonnet]

heph? really? i love the guy but it’s not really great with the booms being so lackluster! what changes happened with the flourish?

[last cape]

CD lowered

This was the patch before this one I believe

Rockets don't have good damage but they're extremely noncommittal, you can move while firing and the animation for shooting them takes almost no time at all, so something like blast you can just throw on an attack build and enjoy at least an extra 400 aoe damage every x seconds for free (as long as you remember to use it)

[hazy crater]

yeah I love heph boons for their ability to work well on pretty much any build as long as you have a spare move you arent using

[last cape]

Other than that, Zeus Poseidon and Demeter are what are usually going on the rockets for me

[stone karma]

purely speculation but what do y'all think the weapon's hidden aspects are gonna be based off of?

i am partially expecting the staff to be based off sun wu kong and have a faster rate of normal attacks

[willow phoenix]

Oh make it just be mirrored thrasher can be cool lol

Skull and coat can be anything tbh. Maybe Loki daggers? We haven't had a nordic aspect.

Some sun god or fire god for torches

[vale shard]

If the skull hidden aspect isn't dusa or skelly I'm gonna be sad

[bold furnace]

Anyone have a fun build for the Medea skulls? Haven't found something that clicks so far

[willow phoenix]

No idea for axe, maybe like an aztec god? Like make it that serrated blade thing they have

[stone karma]

the hidden aspects are usually based off of myths outside of greece, so probably not, sorry

[vale shard]

Aspect of chaac 🔥🔥

[willow phoenix]

Or I'm sure there's some viking hero out there with an axe

[stone karma]

i can see it turning into a macuahuitl

[bold furnace]

Morgana for the staff would be cool

[stone karma]

probably making hexes and casts easier

[willow phoenix]

Hidden aspects all gave a big change no? It can totally just change the whole moveset

[stone karma]

yeah i kinda forgot that

[bold furnace]

It'd actually be super cool if it'd be Thor. Yeah, it's an axe but doesn't mean can't look like a hammer. Plus we already got scythe-axe

[stone karma]

also charon's oar which is also a bludgeoning weapon

[willow phoenix]

Mjolnir lorewise has to be short though

[stone karma]

mjolnir daggers

[bold furnace]

Gods, imagine just throwing tiny hammers at your foes 😂

[stone karma]

the special just has them explode into hammers

i kinda wish milenoe had a spear cuz hades 1 skipped out on cu chulainn's spear

[bold furnace]

Hidden axe aspect of perun (Slavic god of thunder who has an axe)

[bold furnace]

A spear would've been so cool. Even Dite and Thena have them.

[surreal hazel]

Aspect of osiris?

[stone karma]

actually i would like to see the torches go in a different direction than just fire, maybe be cheeky and have it be electricity and have lightbulbs on the end

[bold furnace]

Oh, I would absolutely DIE of happiness if we would get hidden aspect of Seth on the daggers

[surreal hazel]

Aspect of Nikolai Tesla?

[willow phoenix]

Isn't the weapon actually called flames of ygnium tho lol

[stone karma]

electricity is for all intents and purposes modern fire

and the weapons can take forms they will have in the future

but the aspect of tesla seems unlikely

as funny as that would be

[bold furnace]

Now I need a meme fanart of those lol

[stone karma]

she's just holding a flashlight

[surreal hazel]

Flames of Muingy. Fires backwards

[rugged moon]

Ygnim is probably just gonna be some non-greek god/goddess related to fire probably

[surreal hazel]

Revall will be Aspect of Indiana Jones

[stone karma]

WAIT, the axe aspect of paul bunyan

[rugged moon]

Maybe sun instead of fire, just cause it would be hilarious to have apollo complain about it. But also hestia would be good too I guess. I just dont like that shes being portrayed as fire goddess

[bold furnace]

Oh gods, the arm aspect of bud Spencer lol

[rugged moon]

Blades could be so many different things

[bleak night]

Please get rid of Anchors

[bold furnace]

Torches hidden aspect of Surya? Hindi god of the sun. Or Karna his demigod child

[stone karma]

i mean the hearth while probably meant to signify the entire home does heavily imply fire

cuz like it's a fireplace

also pele might be a good fit for the torches

[rugged moon]

Cept shes not, she goddess of hearth and home. Apollo is the god of fire. She empodies what the hearth representsas a whole not just the fire burning in it

[stone karma]

but apollo isn't a fire god, he's more so music and prophecy with the sun stuff coming later

also this aspect of the conversation can be moved somewhere else

[bold furnace]

Okay, redirecting the convo back to topic. Anyone has a fun build for Medea skulls or Momus wand?

[bleak night]

Nothing like making one mistake and losing 87 HP

[willow phoenix]

I just pull all of the % damage offensive boon on momus and just cycle through them

Freeze is nice to guarantee the following omega hits too

[stone karma]

for momus i had the cross upgrade on the hammer and like apollo's attacks and it would just keep using the larger area of attack, it was nice

set up a special on the other side of the room and it would still hit everything

[willow phoenix]

Casual zeus on special is nice too although might not be optimal lol

[bold furnace]

I did find the heph cast fun on Momus with the cont hammer onslaught, but haven't found any fun boon combos yet

[stone karma]

also anyone who has the black coat, how does it play? i mistook the adamant for glass rock and wasted a run trying to get it

maybe to could try something with aphrodite's cast

[willow phoenix]

I really like the coat, feels nice with everything

[stone karma]

i feel like the coat's hidden aspect should have a nautical theme

maybe black beard? on account of the full salvo being a naval than and can correspond to the missiles

[willow phoenix]

Blackbeard wielding a nocturnal arms might be a bit much lol. Especially since the coat is supposed to be the ultimate final resort and all

Maybe some technology or future related deity, something like the Maitreya from Buddhism? The coat being so futuristic and a buddhist deity might actually fit together lol.

[stone karma]

i'm not familiar with buddhist deities so i'm just gonna trust you on that

[surreal hazel]

Aspect of macross

[radiant crown]

Trying to 32 fear the surface is putting me down right now

Any tips for a good aspect / boons to look for?

[bleak night]

Charon was able to do it on 50 with Lucid Gain and Origination

[low bear]

oh wow I am now a fig leaf believer for Tartarus

it can give you like 1-2+ minutes on timer

[past salmon]

You haven't been burnt yet

[low bear]

I guess so, minimum I've gotten is 2 free

[past salmon]

Rip a likely sub 11m 50F because fig leaf decided to never proc

[low bear]

damn why would Dionysus do this

[past salmon]

I still think Antler is likely to be better for tart sometimes.

If your timer is really bad a lot of the time it's because your damage is ass. Fig leaf skipping 3 rooms in Tart doesn't help if the other 2 rooms take 2 minutes each and Chronos takes 5

[low bear]

I guess but I'm not nearly good enough to rock Antler on high fear

[waxen birch]

Can anybody explain what the Revaal aspect of Persephone is supposed to do? The description makes no sense to me and hitting skelly hasn't enlightened me

[slate shard]

idk

i rarely play hades 2

cause i can;t

[slate shard]

who can?

who;s crazy enough

to have 30 hp

[past salmon]

When you deal damage with your cast it starts "charging up"
You can see the charge progress with the icon next to your health/magick
When you use O-Special, the charge makes it last longer up to a max of +2 seconds.
Your O-Special is also fully controllable

[low bear]

there definitely are people here good enough to do that

[slate shard]

yeah

i'm far from that...

my maximum in hades 1 is 15 fear

before i stopped playing it

sorry heat

not fear

[willow phoenix]

You can have armor on top of it

[surreal hazel]

Persephone is Rally car mode

[slate shard]

oh right

[surreal hazel]

By "Armour" they mean "Trusty Shield", because that boon is, and always has been, so good, like SO GOOD

[low bear]

trusty, mint, stubborn def can all go a long way to making Antler much safer even on high fear

[surreal hazel]

+10-20 free max HP and "Healing" each room, plus a damage cap when the armour breaks? Yes, please, give.

[low bear]

snow queen too

but yeah trusty is sooo good, especially back when vow of suffering was a thing lol

[surreal hazel]

Snow queen isn't as good as shield, but hey, they stack just fine

[low bear]

yeah ofc SQ isn't as good

[surreal hazel]

and it preserves effects that require you not to get hit at all

Trusty Shield is also how you try to keep your arachne dress

Because scarlet dress is lulzy good if you can keep it

[low bear]

at high fear I just stopped caring about Arachne effect and always went for highest possible armor LOL

[slate shard]

WHAT'S THAT??????

[low bear]

Heph boon

[surreal hazel]

Hephestus support boon

Every room you get refilled up to 10,15,20,25 armour (based on rarity), primes 20 magicka

(To a max of those values, not just added on)

basically you enter every room with at worst a one-shot protection, at best a massive longevity bonus

Mint Condition is also similarly strong, albeit a bit nerfed in the last update

because being able to start every room running face first at everything without a care really speeds up your room clear times

[hexed frost]

Anyone have a random "fun" build I can use

Feel like I'm hitting a plateau with the amount of fun I'm having. Roughly 60 nights and only 2 underground clears. Reached flying guy a couple of times though

[surreal hazel]

Flying guy? Eris?

[hexed frost]

No final boss overground

[surreal hazel]

Prometheus

[hexed frost]

Yeah Prometheus. He's getting easier but the run up to him is mad annoying

[vale shard]

Flying guy

[hexed frost]

Doesn't help I'm doing higher "heats" without much stability in my gameplay

[loud tangle]

OHHH this isnt a full build yet, but i was about to show off a new boon/hammer combo thats ridiculous

[surreal hazel]

Upgrade your stuff, get like, Than axe with Nova strike

[hexed frost]

Got nervous wreck on my blades build last night and it was filthy

[surreal hazel]

Other stuff is go full zeus and Hera, get one of their duos before seeing echo, then get echo to double one of the levels to nonsense values

[surreal hazel]

ooh ooh, Go all-in on posideon and aphrodite, get thier duo with Glamour gain

[loud tangle]

with the sister blades [?], nova strike, and final slice. ridiculous range

[surreal hazel]

Full screen weakness for free

[hexed frost]

I got this that run too. I had a time

[loud tangle]

i dont have the ability to send a video but i swear its ridiculous

[hexed frost]

Yeah

[surreal hazel]

Hot Flash builds are kinda funny

run around tapping everyone with a lit match and run onto the next guy

[hexed frost]

I got the backshots damage build too. That was pretty good

[loud tangle]

backshots... /teasing

[hexed frost]

Which weapon

[hexed frost]

Which weapon?

[surreal hazel]

any, but ideally something that can spray damage

[hexed frost]

Maybe I'll test with thanatos

[surreal hazel]

Also any, tbh. depends on what boons you end up buffing

Than with Sworn Strike is generally just good.

[hexed frost]

Does Zeus legendary "shocking loss" work on bosses

[vale shard]

Probably not

[willow phoenix]

With mini boss yes

[iron grail]

i use the axe with hell splitter for the first time. I saw that I could start the attack, then dash to finish the attack animation next to foes. However, sometimes it does not work like that and the attach animation is simply replaced by a simple dash. Some other times it works as intended. It often changes mid fight. I take vast amounts of damage due to that unpredictable behaviour. Has anyone seen that occuring and it there a way to fix it?

[humble wasp]

I noticed that the other day

It makes it significantly harder to use the axe since you are left so vulnerable all the time. Unless you get a couple good attack speed boons its often a major issue

[surreal hazel]

It's about timing, you need to dash around when she has the axe held at its highest.

there's also the sweet spot where you dash cancel juuuust after the axe hits the ground to cut off the recovery

[safe dock]

Sounds good. I think my main problem is that I was playing ay 7/area. I can't put out enough damage.

[sour scroll]

hey just curious, if i have no DD and i equip athena’s keepsake in tartarus, will she have a chance of spawning? or is it only limited to the overworld

[lament spoke]

she can spawn in tart afaik

[sour scroll]

okay bet imma gamble thank u 😚✌️

[lament spoke]

gl!

[spare kite]

Keepsake lets her spawn anywhere yeah, minus fields cuz that place is wacky

[sour scroll]

hahahaha i got her at the end of the first chamber of tart thanks guys :3

[glad nova]

How guarantee is Athenas keepsake to trigger if I have no death defiance left?

[past salmon]

I thinks it's practically guaranteed just don't use it in fields

[fallen iris]

It's bugged? I used it in fields and it just didn't trigger at all.

[bleak night]

same, might be

[glossy rivet]

Apollo atk or aphro atk for selene coat?

[spare kite]

Apollo fan

The O.atk gets comically large

[snow portal]

Just saw the All Together boon, this seems.....a little busted lmao

[cursive oyster]

it used to be even better

[bleak night]

that used to be a lot easier to get, so idk

[glossy rivet]

Water-based grit was kino
Though now i could just stack up even more hera boons instead ig

All together + Chant

[summer seal]

Anyone have a suggestion for what 12 fear to run on the surface? Need it for Dual Blades and Black Coat nightmares

[cursive oyster]

start with “free” fear like the banish unpicked options fear, prime magic fear, and to a lesser extent 1 or 2 levels of timer if you’re comfortable with it (if you aren’t i recommend doing casual runs with vow of time to get used to the pressure), then pick whatever fear points look least annoying, just stay away from hordes. i recommend getting used to at least one level of frenzy, as it gives a lot of fear

[glossy rivet]

i swear to god this game reads my mind whether im planning to focus on atk and special
and the first boon offering will always be the opposite of what i want

hammer offerings too omg
got heroic apollo atk, erebus hammer is all specials
tfw no world collider

[nova dune]

Just finished an aspect of melinoe 12 fear run, Aphro on attack and dash, Zeus cast, Lightning lance, Static Shock, Demeter Gust, and couple of attack focused hammers. Prometheus went down in record time.

[cursive oyster]

which weapon is this?

[nova dune]

Daggers

You basically focus all you boons on your attack

It works really well against Prometheus since he stands still during a couple of his attacks

So you just go behind his back and burn him down

[glossy rivet]

whats a good secondary god to apollo for selene coat

[past salmon]

Zeus on special
Or hera

[surreal hazel]

Aspect of Hera

get shimmering rockets and win

[carmine lagoon]

Stands still?? What enemy speed were you playing on?

[surreal hazel]

during the expanding circle and flame wave attack windups

[steel sequoia]

Prom has a window in the back to hit him

[surreal hazel]

he's just stood there like an idiot, pummel him

[carmine lagoon]

He stands still during the expanding circle one?

[surreal hazel]

yep

drop a rock on him, slow time, cut loose

[glossy rivet]

get fine tuning
selene coat hex discount
😹

never got offered world collider, hammer trade before chronos took away reaper frame for even more special hammers 😂

[loud moat]

Fun fact, the Death Arcana Card (15% crit chance on omega moves if different than the last one) counts the Black Coat (Nyx) Nightspawn dash as an Omega Move. An easy way to keep Crit chance up between omegas without needing to pause and use your attack, special or cast.

[onyx trench]

You nuke the whole screen it’s great

[onyx trench]

It’s guaranteed in most zones, including the house of hades, which is very funny to me. It’s a little weird on Mount Olympus, as she almost never shows up in the first few rooms

[hexed frost]

Ngl I miss fists from Hades 1

[steel sequoia]

fists are staff

[hexed frost]

Sorry to one back here. But you mean 'spray damage' like hit multiple enemies? Or fast weapons?

Ngl haven't touched staff since my first few runs

[surreal hazel]

multiple enemies

[hexed frost]

🤝

[half sigil]

I’ve been using sister blades cause they remind me of fist a little

Or yea staff

[last cape]

How do y'all like the new familiars? I think they're really strong. Poor Toula hasn't seen action in so long lol

[summer seal]

Aspect of Mel I'm assuming? I only ever really played staff when Momus was broken AF and haven't tried it since so not sure how it builds at all

[last cape]

Blades feel the most like fists to me yeah. Ironic since the coat actually punched but it plays pretty differently

[steel sequoia]

tbh you just gonna spam attack so the 3 are the same. momus being a bit more usefull as you can do some omega attack in between. but the primary use is to get boons that prime all your mana so you basically wont have none just smashing attack button everywhere

afaik if you get apollo atk and zeus static shock you destroys everything

[last cape]

I actually like staff omega builds but they don't compare to some of the hammers the staff gets for huntress builds

Mirrored thrasher is very op

[steel sequoia]

im a persephone/charon fan. staffs are in a bad spot imo, the worst aspect.

[last cape]

I mostly play blades/torches/axe/coat yeah. There's goofy stuff that you can do with the omega moves on low fear but I wouldn't try to do beyond 32 fear with any staff except maybe momus

[steel sequoia]

i think its very safe to play manaless staff in high fear, but in the end you dont use the aspect just lurk hammers.

[hexed frost]

How many are there in total. I have bird frog cat

[last cape]

I have a soft spot for Mel staff on lower fear lol. The omega special can be very fun if all the pieces come together

[steel sequoia]

dog

[spare kite]

Missing dog

[hexed frost]

Ah

[last cape]

You can talk to the dog in Echo's chamber as of this update

[steel sequoia]

its a worse persephone/charon but yeah its playable

g2g

[spare kite]

Need to upgrade each familiar at leasg once, have used them to gather then get dialogue from hecate

[last cape]

The dog is cool

It removes the need to pick up a gain boon for a lot of builds

[hexed frost]

Thanks. Wouldn't have figured this out

Been neglecting almost everyone lol

Also didn't know I could upgrade familiars

[last cape]

Yeah you need to give them treats

[spare kite]

Is an incantation now ^

[last cape]

They all do good stuff when upgraded other than Toula

[spare kite]

Toula who?

[last cape]

The raven is probably the most generally applicable one. Free pressure points 🤤

[spare kite]

I'm back to frinos myself, strength gaming

[summer seal]

That darn bird just won't show up for me, seen it once and at least 10 runs since and not again

[spare kite]

Just be luckier

[last cape]

I don't think you need Frinos to run strength but it really helps

[spare kite]

Oh ik, I just mean I like effectively doubling their bonus lol

Or better if Circe wants to help

Circe so goated with frinos or raki, dunno what she does for dog

[last cape]

Kinda funny how much the meta has changed, from never take max health to taking every max HP increase you see lol

Ngl I don't remember the last time I took that option from circe but I probably should now

[spare kite]

8% crit goes hard

And the boost to how often the bird attacks

[last cape]

Hecuba upgrade probably gives more max magick if I had to guess

[surreal hazel]

it does

now we all wait for who the fifth companion will be

[summer seal]

If we get Hecuba, it would make sense that we get Hecate's Polecat as well, yeah?

[round quartz]

What do you think the most consistent weapon is for high fear runs?
Of course it's personal preference but I'm curious what people think

[willow phoenix]

Charon feels like a super safe weapon overall

[surreal hazel]

I dunno what resource a fifth familiar would even get

[willow phoenix]

There's still the basic gathering, for flowers and driftwood and stuff

[surreal hazel]

I guess?

[willow phoenix]

If raki can be a glorified pickaxe then that last familiar can be a glorified hand

[surreal hazel]

Makes them spawn more, and buffs your... evade stat or something idk

[round quartz]

The weapon personally feels too heavy for me to use
I just personally hate playing slow but big hitting weapons
I much prefer low damage per hit but high dps and attack speed

Why I run Thanatos axe most often if I use axe

Feels lighter

[willow phoenix]

Then Mel skull I suppose, or run moros for the insane damage

[surreal hazel]

Skull is the other slow weapon

[round quartz]

You can play pretty fast with skull

[surreal hazel]

Than axe feels fast enough

[willow phoenix]

I don't feel like skull is slow at all tbh

[surreal hazel]

if you're using it as a melee weapon, but I personally hate waiting for the bounce on the skulls and using the wimpy special in the meantime

[round quartz]

Skull feels very movement based
With how the special works
You just spam skull attacks and then chase after them with special
You are always moving

[zealous condor]

Mfw I die to eris because I didn’t smack her and force phase change during sniper shot instead of trying to dodge it (again)

At least I didn’t die trying and failing to strafe the shotgun phase by just eating it

[hexed frost]

NYX or Selene for black coat?

[round quartz]

Selene but I'm heavily biased

[spare kite]

Selene cuz is prettier

[round quartz]

Moon related characters in media are always my absolute favorite
And then Hades 2 shows up with the literal moon

(I have made everything cosmetic in the game as moon related as I possibly can)

[grizzled vine]

Axe go brrrrrrt

[heavy palm]

Wonder if it's possible to have a passive Prometheus fight by using Medea's curse that removes 15% per DD. I mean there's 5 at least you can stack (75%), so vengeance boons might get you the rest of the way. Maybe need to actually dodge the insta-kills though since Prom is un-damageable during them.

[spare kite]

Also have to account for dmg being lost during phase transitions

Wait actually, does he cap his hp when he's about to start simon says

[cursive oyster]

yes

[dense valley]

current best build for charon? i tried the old apollo cast build and it was very underwhelming

[steel sequoia]

try demeter or hera, you just need apollo lucid gain which is the best gain for charon.

never get the geyser and flare

[dense valley]

gotcha ill give it a go

[grizzled vine]

I’m a big fan of aphro attack and aphro cast

[low bear]

yep old Apollo (and Prominence Flare now) is pretty bad for Charon because you can't place a cast again while it's exploding

[dense valley]

i just got the hera build up and running, this is just a damn nuke xD

[dense valley]

yeah i found that out the hard way

[low bear]

honestly most casts work, I have a preference for Demeter just because the safety of freeze is nice (and keeps them in place to be exploded on)

[dense valley]

will try it

[low bear]

if you don't need the defensive of freeze then Aphro is great for grouping too yeah

Storm Ring I imagine would be great for bossing and single target damage

Super Nova is nice to have too but not necessary

[magic moss]

think theres also a bug rn with the siege shredder hammer on charon where it also works on ospecials and not just specials

[dense valley]

zeus is a good shout, i could try apollo and zeus duo

[magic moss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1252732088378200146/1296715224812097586/image.png?ex=671891a9&is=67174029&hm=8fa38842ac31a01ac630a46741d171943e7718f1472c0c0cd3e2fb9200d08758& like 260k dmg is a bit high even for a 50F

[low bear]

the old Dem/Apollo duo was BROKEN for Charon

[magic moss]

wait dem apollo?

what does that do again?

[low bear]

the one that increased omega cast damage per use but increased mana cost too

but that doesn't matter because you don't use mana to trigger omega cast

[dense valley]

thats insane!

[low bear]

it could be another god combination and I'm just misremembering, but yeah that boon was really nice on Charon

[dense valley]

my highest is about 40ish fear with medea, still didnt hit over 200k on the attack

[dense valley]

def unintened

[low bear]

ah yes Torrential Downpour was the name and it was Dem/Apollo duo

[dense valley]

their new duo is also pretty fun tho

tried it with a full cast momus build + local climate

[steel sequoia]

i need the wiki, i never remember the names of the skills lmao

[bleak night]

Post my patch 4 Than run

350k on attack is funny

[magic moss]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Pgm4HH1nuDY2iuE53r2eT2Lcj-py4EYO/view?usp=drive_link

[bleak night]

I've never seen a number higher than that before

[hexed frost]

+225% attack on a rare boon from Hera/Zeus duo. About to see how much damage i I'll do vs Eris

[dense valley]

the hammers>>

[magic moss]

damn ive become 50F google

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1298333905962799114/image.png?ex=67192f2d&is=6717ddad&hm=7da7839193f06212cc41657ade722f03dc6a5729efc236a45eafbbd071523be0& 10 more clears til we are already at 100 total 50F clears already in patch 5, "meta" already shaping up exactly as expected lmfao

Familiar Spread

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1298334663919665223/image.png?ex=67192fe1&is=6717de61&hm=2666d4f8f7fde28f15551849323661ab1d7390354e20ad7fffe65d7e0f076b30&

[zealous condor]

Is fixed gain okay in rift because you can control taking like 2 damage for it instead of e.g. 40? (Mostly came up in my eris fight rn where I realized “wait I’m not actually 100% out of mana w/o”… idk, proccing deaths defiance for it? ;p

Since she has a couple of oil slicks/explosive barrels on her arena

[magic moss]

fixed gain is good in cases where you're going to be taking a lot of residual damage so yes, fixed gain on a mana dependent aspect is among the better ones in surface because theres fire everywhere

fixed gain in general isn't desireable because the condition is that you need to take damage, which isn't really good

[zealous condor]

Esp when you can go quite a few rooms or fights w/o taking damage, especially if you actually get consistent, yeah…

Can’t wait to get destroyed by 1frenzy promotheus again, lol

At least I’m aware he’ll mark me ig (said as someone whose first 3 encounters against him were all victories)

Suddenly running away feels a lot harder 😦

Do you just like, only damage him when he does the dumb AoE tracking circle thing that takes 4 seconds to go off (or whatever damage mana-less casts give you)?

[magic moss]

his jumps are typically telegraphed in terms of attack patterns (ie. if hes doing his stomp move, then theres a short delay before he does his next move). If he jumps at you, you have to dash backwards since his feet have a hitbox for some god forsaken reason

[hexed frost]

Was about to build the most digusting Hera/Zeus duo build them I got cocky and got clapped by eris

[magic moss]

you have to time your dash to invuln his landing

[hexed frost]

That's where I got cocky lol

Done it many times before, this run however got me 3 times

[zealous condor]

Didn’t really… necessarily plan on taking fig leaf? But I accidentally clicked off the keepsake screen in Olympus and it procced 3 times in a row (well 3/4 because interrupted by a mini-boss room), let’s gooo

I don’t think harvest will meaningfully affect anything because I’m next to the boss, but sure I’ll take it

Other options being “freeze = special” (already have freeze on attack” and “rare crop x 1” again p sure I’m on top of boss room lol

[steel sequoia]

the dream would be skipping 3 oceanus roons lmao

[last cape]

Kind of surprised Raki doesn't have a higher use rate tbh

I think she's really strong

[steel sequoia]

dont think enough people got it and is playing with it rn, also dog is "friendlier" too

[magic moss]

Raki is really strong, but most of the time damage isn't really the issue with a lot of aspects so raki is a big overkill, you'd rather have the extra durability with frinos and the ability to block Hecate hex

[zealous condor]

I ALMOST GOT IT UGGGGHHHH

[last cape]

Raki is a lot easier to get than hecuba so I don't think that's it

[zealous condor]

I stalled until my timer reminded me I had 30 seconds to deal the last like 30% to f1 prom :(((

Doesn’t help I lost mortality early, ugh

[last cape]

Pretty much any 50f runner is gonna have all the new patch stuff maxed out I think

If you wanna talk about hard to get, level 5 Mel coat took me by far the longest to get and its the most used coat aspect

[zealous condor]

The fire attack where prom makes a small circle doesn’t deal damage coming out, right? Only if you go in or out of it w/o dashing past?

I’m not even sure if he summons it at the same time as trying to punch you… lol

[last cape]

Lol I just noticed 5 surface clears to 85 uw clears...not even the new toy syndrome can incentivize people to go 5 minute timer in the overworld

[zealous condor]

It feels good to realize that I can dump the fire lane attack in a corner since it lasts… until you force him to change shifts or he uses the same Attack again, right?

[magic moss]

timer is like the least of surface concerns, the numbers on surface enemies are just overtuned as hell

so ig timer does play a part

[last cape]

I definitely find myself running out of time on the surface due to those overtuned enemies

That and the biomes are a lot longer

Btw I've noticed most people recommend kbm for this game. Is it worth relearning the game or is the difference not really that big? I've been using controller since Hades 1 and I fear the adjustment period

[magic moss]

eh not really? controller has the advantage of omnidirectional movement while kbm has the advantage of mouse movement for more accurate control

Mynt does left joycon + mouse to get best of both worlds lmfao

[sour cape]

I feel like Olympus has so many enemies

the waves never end

[ember frigate]

any tips with aspect of moros? i cant seem to get the hang of the umbral flames since you bassicly need to place the baloons and afterwards use your special

[warped harness]

where do i get hercuba and raki

[lament spoke]

omega special, spam attack, hang out so your omega special hits the enemies as it rotates

and then when the omega hits the attacks they explode

[zealous condor]

Mini bosses can be fig leafed? Damb

Assumed not since it just happened to the sea horse, lol

[silent crow]

i like ur pfp

[tame cloud]

What boons should I get for aspect of than?

[lament spoke]

I've been told hera attack is goated

[silent crow]

any % atk boon except demeter and you should be good to go

[tame cloud]

What should I get on the special?

[silent crow]

doesnt really matter but if it shows up heph/zeus/demeter is a solid take

though youd really prefer demeter on the cast

[tame cloud]

tyy

[weak hamlet]

So what are people finding is the best attack/special/cast combo for the new weapon Xinth? I personally think Poseidon on the attack, zues on the special and demeter on the cast is pretty sweet but curious about y'all.

[silent crow]

thats a good combo

[weak hamlet]

water punching is pretty fun.

[silent crow]

idk anything specific but im a huge fan of just spamming zeus on it

[weak hamlet]

It has an endless combo so the waves never stop rocking.

[silent crow]

static shock blitz & double strike are so good

[weak hamlet]

On even the attack or all 3?

[silent crow]

atk or special

cast can be whatever but i like scorch cast for origination and big damage

[lament spoke]

oh hey: boatman or excellence

[silent crow]

this is a joke right guys
...

[lament spoke]

no i am bad at games

[silent crow]

boatman excellence sucks so so bad

[lament spoke]

okay what else should i use my 5 grasp for

[silent crow]

whats ur arcana rn

[lament spoke]

2 ticks

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1264174791783350348/1298367439280672959/image.png?ex=67194e68&is=6717fce8&hm=12770e6d9b3d170fc746db93186ba52c67c1fdce162e1a96070bb3e32677eb85&

fr art blades so i like. am not rly omegaing

[cursive oyster]

turn off excellence for champions and furies

oh i’m stupid that doesn’t have excellence

[lament spoke]

champions is also on

[cursive oyster]

turn off artificer for room rolls

champion is room rolls i think?

[lament spoke]

and i don't super wanna lose uhhh the queen

champion is boon rolls

[cursive oyster]

wacky

[lament spoke]

artificer is filling out the column for divinity

[cursive oyster]

sorgy i’m stupid

[lament spoke]

nah it's all good you didn't respond to my simple question by asking if it was a joke

i just don't think i can spend arcana anywhere other than either excellence or boatman without losing the queen or divinity. and i need to get that duo boon

[cursive oyster]

i think you shouldn’t worry too much about keeping queen

duos are already fairly common without it

and it’s gonna be a lot easier to get duos with 10 rolls than it would be with 3 rolls and queen

[lament spoke]

so take fates and furies instead of boatman?

[cursive oyster]

i’d drop orig but either technically works

[lament spoke]

or see if i can leave boatman to get the extra rolls from seer

[cursive oyster]

i am also high fear pilled

[lament spoke]

i'm aiming for uh. aph gain + zeus attk so origination is like. Part Of It. i am not high fear pilled i haven't gone above 32

[cursive oyster]

what fear is this?

[lament spoke]

oh this is rank 1 speed nowt else

[cursive oyster]

on surface?

[lament spoke]

nah underworld

[silent crow]

r u planning to not use magic

[cursive oyster]

ah

[lament spoke]

no i thought i'd just leave integral cards to the weapon out actually

yah i'm basically only using it to procc parry

[silent crow]

oh arty aspect into normals gotchu

[lament spoke]

ye

[silent crow]

you should drop one of orig/boatman for furies & that other reroll card i dont know its name

[lament spoke]

i'm thinking boatman j bc if i get uhhh glamour gain + zeus attk then that's free orig babey

[silent crow]

zeus attack with the crit aspect?

[lament spoke]

uhhh romantic spark

[silent crow]

oh lmao

[lament spoke]

it would probably also work with mel blades but. i like being able to parry hecate's circle of flame and stay in close

[silent crow]

it works best with mel torches if you care

but anyway yeah id go orig for romantic spark build

[lament spoke]

i've not tried mel torches properly yet

[tame cloud]

aspect of than feels horrible for surface runs for me so idk

[silent crow]

its so funny with romantic spark you just press the ospecial button and run into everything and they evaporate

[lament spoke]

i HAVE won with moros torches twice. i've only played with them 8 times so

vs. 100+ daggers runs. wuh oh (yes i was a fists merciful end fan. how did you know

[silent crow]

surface is very melee unfriendly, i try to get one of apollo attack/hera attack or cast/demeter cast to help

[hexed frost]

Origination is that easy to drop?

[lament spoke]

would this also work with moros torches. idk how upgraded i have mel

[silent crow]

yes but 1 upgrade on mel torches makes it outclass moros in this specific role

[lament spoke]

bet

attempt for once i've done this run then! once more unto the breach etc

[silent crow]

yeah boatman is really good

[magic moss]

if you arent playing 32+ fear origination and boatman have the same value, if anything i think origination > boatman for surface

[zealous condor]

Does Prometheus/eris feel harder than chronos to anyone? I know eris was “final boss for the moment” just a couple of weeks ago and now Prometheus will hold that mantle for like the next 5-7 months, but still?

[silent crow]

a lot of ppl think prom > chronos yes

[zealous condor]

Like killing Washing! Cerberus was fairly brisk with +20% speed (ferocity1? Do people just call it mandatory overtime since that’s what the heat was called in h1?) compared to… mostly getting destroyed by prom ngl

Sometimes still die to eris but honestly it’s 100% a skill issue on my part

[grave forge]

I don't think Eris is harder, she just punishes mistakes very heavily

[steel sequoia]

i think prom is harder than chronos, but not an ultimate beast is just a new thing tbh. i believe mel will fight chronos another time later in the game

[zealous condor]

you think chronos is also fight #4 for overland route???

[hexed frost]

I have both on

[zealous condor]

I laugh any time I die tanking the shotgun because I completely mess up my strafe, lol

I don’t want to call eris easy by any means but it’s kinda funny how much more relaxed I am during the fight (usually) because I largely know what’s happening

[hexed frost]

Now idk if I should drop either for the other boon RARE card

[magic moss]

no

[hexed frost]

Excellence

[grave forge]

Excellence is a scam

[hexed frost]

💀 thank goodness I've had it off since

[grave forge]

you get, like, 1 pom worth of value on a lot of your boons
for 5 grasp

[silent crow]

if you take epic boons excellence is worthless

[zealous condor]

Better than common but I’d still rather just have duo/epic cards

And then almost never get duos because I barely know what half of them have as prerequisites, lol

Or it’s like “freeze effects trigger vent from Hephaestus, which is a minimum 2 boons from heph before you can even attempt to get this”

[hexed frost]

I use the wiki whenever I'm fishing for duos

[tame cloud]

What about special?

[silent crow]

doesnt really matter at all

i mean if youre crazy and youre building than axe omega special apollo special is easily best in slot but i really suggest not doing that

[tame cloud]

should I take Zeus or Hera on the special cus I really cant decide

[hexed frost]

What are good weaps for surface then. That are more surface friendly. Cause Thanatos is also my bread and butter

[magic moss]

thanatos is fine

[silent crow]

honestly dont even bother they have better boons for you to take

[tame cloud]

I like zeus's prime 50

[silent crow]

yeah yeah that ones really good use that

[lament spoke]

hey uh. hey. if you pick the wrong keepsake. can you do anything about that or do I just suffer

[lime eagle]

Suffer, unfortunately

[lament spoke]

wuh oh

at least I have strength on... <- picked athena instead of fig leaf

[modern wadi]

Would it be broken to make anvil ring just be 3 blast effects? Keep the damage keep everything just make it blast so it can scale, i mean pretty much everyone elses cast scale with complementary boons so why not?

I think it would help it fit better with heph overall too

[quartz yarrow]

It’s unfortunate that prome and Eris are a harder than chronos, idk if they should buff him but they really should make him the hardest boss

[lament spoke]

knocked a minute off my time????/

[modern wadi]

Its not even close either is whats really sad

[last cape]

50f is so hard with fangs being in the game

I just lost my furthest attempt to giant hasted skulls in tartarus

[magic moss]

its a trade off, you lose suffering but get fangs XD

[last cape]

Suffering sucked but it just meant you needed trusty shield every run lol

Certain combinations of affixes and enemies feel unbeatable

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1298243900917415996/20241022211718_1.jpg?ex=6718db5a&is=671789da&hm=cf1d771e88ada1b29060b39660a9a1fdc731be0e3d673cb050f3edc1da55e94b&
shoutouts

[last cape]

Pain

I should really try to get fig leaf before I do 50f runs actually

I still haven't seen dionysus once

[forest oxide]

This question is probably beaten to death but a quick search didn’t get me much results:

What’s your best Charon axe special? I usually go for Hera. Tried Aphro but I felt it defeated the purpose of being able to do it long distance

[ruby cedar]

Any advices for 32 fear runs ?

[magic moss]

hera and apollo for room clear, aphro for boss damage
Prio goes Hera = Apollo (or Hera > Apollo if you have blue shields on) > aphro

[forest oxide]

Ooh thank you! I considered Apollo too but since they have the same damage output I can’t pick him over Hera since her special gives Hitch which also triggers origination - does Apollo have any better use cases?

[magic moss]

Apollo's bonus size means you're o-special can cover essentially the entire room for most room clears, so you can reliably hit almost every enemy at the same time. Without blue shields enabled and even at higher fears in certain cases apollo can be marginally better. Especially if you decide to run boatman over origination

[forest oxide]

Oh that sounds great especially since I’m doing surface runs now - thanks a lot Mininet xx

[magic moss]

npnp

[last cape]

also if you really high roll it's a prereq for apollo legendary which is crazy with charon, but with vow of striking or denial you're not gonna get that lol

[magic moss]

i dont think hes playing 50

[half sigil]

Assuming everything else is the same, would you prefer boatman or origination

[magic moss]

Depends, are you playing underworld or surface? What vows are you taking? What aspect are you using? What are you struggling with?

[magic moss]

what fear level we talking

[half sigil]

Starting 32s

[arctic glacier]

oh boy. Excited to return

[half sigil]

Eventually higher

[past salmon]

Boatman is just more consistent

[arctic glacier]

the Arcana Card change for no Time Slowdown is a bummer, most of all for Blades, but gonna be fun to check all the new god combos out

[half sigil]

I heard something about origination being additive, I don’t know h2 dmg formula to know if it’s a big deal or not

[magic moss]

pre onion i would say origination with how the "meta" is shaping up being curse focused with hera, dem, aphro, zeus, but the moment you turn on onion then its boatman

[half sigil]

Ok so for 32 prob origination, I’ll give it a try. I was in boatman so far but I swim on moneys

Also I’ve been mostly using sister blades with héstia/demeter combo, and if possible Zeus/dem duo if it pops up. + heph support

Anything better or is that alright

[ruby cedar]

I havent tried yet, i Just want some advices before trying surface and underworld. I play with 16F and is it ok go straight to 32 ?

I wanted to know what builds and vows were the best.

(I'm using selene's aspect for the coat)

[magic moss]

I would say aim for clearing at 24 first, 16 to 32 is a pretty big jump in difficulty

[last cape]

Does the coat dash strike benefit from siege frame?

[mint nexus]

Anyone have some good builds for the skull?

[magic moss]

good for beating chronos or good as in fun

[mint nexus]

Both preferably

But mainly fun I guess

[magic moss]

rocket launcher mel skulls with apollo attack and his legendary

[proper cedar]

How do you play the coat

like what builds and how to use them

this is coming from an apollo axe special spammer

now it got nerfed and i actually have to be good :(

[smoky citrus]

heatia reflect range dash does not have a visual cue?

[stray elbow]

Aphrodite attack boon + hestia or demeter or zeus special/cast + daedalus hammer with +30% attack + origination arcana + dodge chance arcana and any dodge chance you can find

[desert gate]

Is the special worst using the omega cast?

[proper cedar]

im gonna try it

[desert gate]

i have not really seen it do much damage and leaves you vulnerable for a couple seconds

[stray elbow]

which special? for coat?

[desert gate]

sorry, yes

[stray elbow]

I'd recommend casting before using special to lock down enemies so they cant hit you while you're locking on

but yeah in terms of survivability of special vs omega cast

omega cast > special because you can move while casting it

[desert gate]

Im thinking if you get some debuff boons it might do ok just firing the quick shot then dash strike into corwds

but I dont see the Omega being super great right now

[stray elbow]

yeah like demeter's slow would be great

[surreal hazel]

You can mash special during regular attacks

[wind kettle]

so whats the bigger theoretical dps between Siege Frame and Exhaust Riser?

[surreal hazel]

And salvos are great for free safe damage

[surreal hazel]

Managed to get exhaust riser ho do over 1k damage with dancing queen and flutter strike

Turns out the ol grape juice adds 100 power to every hit of your next move

Siege frame itself isn't big damage it's bug aoe and safe range

[proper cedar]

i cannot beat prom for the life of me lmfao

[stark crane]

I dont quite understand the hype behind Aspect of Charon

[spare kite]

It lost some of its safety now that it can't block but it still hits like a quick truck

[stark crane]

elaborate, if you wouldnt mind

I did manage to scrape by and destroy Chronos on a 16 fear run, but I got lucky and got the Hestia and Demeter combo

[spare kite]

Furies + night? (I think this one is the cast power one) + Charon's buff already has your cast doing 400 dmg from c1

[wind kettle]

so far ive been enjoying playing with Strength Arcane

[spare kite]

From there you only need apollo's regen for infinite mana and focus on buffing your special

[stark crane]

Ohhh I see now

[spare kite]

Giga cleaver pretty good, can't go wrong with apollo/hera/aphro special

[steel sequoia]

you ahve to be patient, acknowledge his patters instead of just punching him all over, its more a dodging fight than a damage

[hexed frost]

Please how do you dodge Prometheus attack that he leaves the arena and has columns flashing

Cause I swear I see the patterns with my two eyes ans still get hit

Daggers have become my clear favourite weapon

[acoustic remnant]

Number the safe zones and stand there

[hexed frost]

Are the safe zones the areas that flash red? Ice been standing on the non red parts and get hit

[cursive oyster]

stand in the non red

[hexed frost]

My problem is I treat this game the same way I'll treat soulsbornes forgetting that the "run up" to bosses is significantly more challenging so it won't make sense to go gung-ho immediately I enter

Ngl it worked for all bosses but not for Prometheus of underground final boss guy

[lusty heron]

He first shows you the pattern what is save and what isnt

And then activates it to deal damage in that sequence

Its like simon says i think its called

[half sigil]

What do you guys build for on Mel blades? Tried a couple builds but wondering what’s best

[hexed frost]

I think I'll just chuck it down to a minor memory issue on this. Because I assumed that's exactly what he was doing, I probably just forgot the patterns

[hexed frost]

Have you tried the Hera build? Or Aphrodite Zeus one with the duo

[lament spoke]

i normally run a different aspect but i'm a big fan of aphrodite zeus duo OR aphrodite hestia duo

[hexed frost]

I've pretty much zeroed in on the Artemis aspect

[lament spoke]

samesies

[half sigil]

No, ive tried héstia + Demeter and Poseidon + Zeus

Haven’t messed with Hera much, why do you take from her, aside attack

[lament spoke]

hera special with flick knives hammer is so good

[hexed frost]

Blades are just so good anything works. Just finished an Apollo on attack build and shredded

[half sigil]

They have nice dmg yea

[lament spoke]

like. this has special consistently in my top 3 damage doers without me even using my special that much

[hexed frost]

I usually go Hera on attack with blades

[half sigil]

With what? It looks like her duo boon aren’t that amazing

[hexed frost]

One day I'll stop neglecting omega moves

[hexed frost]

Her legendary is amazing

[lament spoke]

fair, i'm normally going zeus attk + glamour gain to proc origination + romantic spark, but that's for speed rather than high heat

not heat. fear. whatevs

[hexed frost]

What's your high heat build

[lament spoke]

i've only won 32f once, it was burning desire + extra bits, sub 16

[hexed frost]

I'm still on fear 6 tbf

[lament spoke]

oh so true

i uh. well i have like 120 blades runs and then my next highest is 40. i'm currently failing miserably to get consistently sub 11 <3

[half sigil]

I’m just starting 32s

[lament spoke]

nice

[half sigil]

Picked up the game recently so I’m still learning what works and what doesn’t

[lament spoke]

burning desire is safer with blades because it doesn't require you to be constantly in melee the way romantic sparks does

also abuse the parry. it's great

[half sigil]

Is that Artemis aspect? Never tried it

Been doing Mel

[lament spoke]

yes

i know a lot of people enjoy pan as well, i need to try it again with faster omega speed from sorceress

[half sigil]

I’ve tried it a bit, didn’t really like it personally

Artemis sounds fun

[lament spoke]

artemis my bestie artemis

[steel sequoia]

yall clearly new people here lmao

[lament spoke]

is there a problem with that??

[steel sequoia]

no ur welcome, but its funny seeing the discussion

[lament spoke]

i mean i have also been playing since EA dropped i just... like blades

whats your wisdom oh great and terrible leader

[steel sequoia]

just have fun

[half sigil]

Yea I’ve said as much lol. Picked up the game last week

[lament spoke]

that's not wisdom i was already having fun

[steel sequoia]

so now you are more clever

and having fun

[lament spoke]

i'm always having fun it's part of my charm

what's your wisdom in the previous conversation, as someone who is evidently so burdened with experience to point out that we're all terribly new

i'm not actually annoyed i'm just a smidge wine drunk

[steel sequoia]

srry i g2g maybe ill share some widsom later

[lament spoke]

that was terribly useful

have fun!

[tall notch]

I wish I had wine too

[lament spoke]

emailing you some wine

it's actually mead and it's not brilliant even though it cost me twelve entire euros

[low bear]

what are typically the best hammers for Xinth?

[bleak night]

What playstyle

Exhaust Riser pretty neat tho

[past salmon]

Shimmering is probs best overall

[low bear]

Melinoe I guess, so pretty much atk-spec spam right

I guess Shimmering is nice for widespread application of blitz

[low bear]

yeah exhaust is pretty great but my monkeybrain is making it too unsafe LOL

[silent crow]

my wisdom is that. the. the. the umm

[lament spoke]

dgjshgdfjdshf so real

me when someone asks why i took a certain boon <3 well it was. uh. um. uhhhh yeah

[silent crow]

have you heard of this funny boon called fixed gain its really good i promise

[lament spoke]

is that the hephaeustus one?

[silent crow]

yes

[magic moss]

my wisdom is very simple. In order to win, you must not die. Thank you that will be $350

[silent crow]

robs you cutely

[lament spoke]

i think you genuinely did provide me some good wisdom when i was first starting out and came here with no idea what i was doing 👍 emailing you $350 but they're hong kong dollars so it's only 45 USD. i did too much research for this joke <3

[bleak night]

But the funny fire tornado

[magic moss]

damn i dont want $45 emailed i want it shipped by pigeon in a parcel

[lament spoke]

is the pigeon also in the parcel. that seems like animal cruelty

[magic moss]

what, you gonna call peta?

[lament spoke]

nah i was just imagining a pigeon shaped parcel

it's like 3am here. i will not be considering the implications of my words <3

[grave forge]

So, what do people think of Tropical Cyclone (fromerly called Boreal Gust, Apollo/Dem duo)?
I don't see it talked about but I was trying to do the 16F Staff Prometheus testament and it carried me pretty hard (until I ran into the Dracon miniboss with Vow of Shadows)

[past salmon]

Guys I'm gonna start giving out lessons to people. I charge $34,650/hour

[split igloo]

Missed opportunity to charge $42,069 per hour.

[lament spoke]

if i argue in favour of bringing back suffering can i get a discount

[tough vapor]

is there anything yall can think of that have similar vibes/playstyle to the guan yu spin or ares blade rifts from hades 1? I really enjoyed those annd was wondering if there was anything similar but I couldnt think of one except MAYBE the advancing wwhirlwind and psychic whirl wind hammers together, but thats a little over niche

[spare kite]

advancing got deleted anyways

[magic moss]

3.50 no more

[past salmon]

Tempting offer.
Deal!

[steep heron]

I haven't played in a while and it seems they reworked a lot of cast boons, any tips for managing the changes with charon aspect?

[past salmon]

5% discount

[lament spoke]

damn. i'll just get gud on my own then i can't afford it 😔

[bleak night]

I can teach you guys if you want a troll to coach

[lament spoke]

wow do i have to find your bridge first

[low bear]

What would you take, Romantic spark vs Static Shock for a no damage control run? Xinth Mel 45F

[past salmon]

Seriously I'm mostly happy to help people out if they want it. If I'm helping someone else play the game it means I don't need to play the game myself!

Ahhhhhhhhhhh

[past salmon]

Idk Romantic is apparently really good but static is just always amazing

[low bear]

That's true really hard choice here lol, well since no barriers romantic might be the better choice

[acoustic remnant]

coach me to a 50 clear <3

[lament spoke]

which one is static shock again?

[low bear]

Chain lightning

[acoustic remnant]

strikes emit lightning

[lament spoke]

oh I love her

wait what do we mean by a no damage control run

[grave forge]

if you want whirlwinds of death, Tropical Cyclone from Apollo+Demeter

[spare kite]

Blue hearts vow

Damage control is the h1 name

[lament spoke]

oh real

[timber pawn]

I hit a 7k crit on Cerb with romantic spark today lol

[past salmon]

Fire

[lament spoke]

every day I come into the sgg server and ask what things are called <3 I wish I had an excuse like playing the game in a different language but I am in fact just not reading things

I love romantic spark my best friend romantic spark...

[tough vapor]

Ive got a lvl 16 heroic nova strike on a thanatos scythe run. its 265% dmg, was 8 then I got pom pom pom from echo

[lament spoke]

NICE

[bleak night]

@past salmon https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/834700662591586314/1298467946166747197/image.png?ex=6719ac02&is=67185a82&hm=a03031f71fc934453ed815ee2a1f525cd510c2e2a3e0fc2b98e9966e8e61c769& is this record pace

I got Furious Whirlwind and did an Omega meme build and it kept giving me skips

[tough vapor]

ive also got raki with me AND double strike AND an epic death warrant so im also doing a good amount of crits, at this point my wish list is just perfect image from apollo and shameless attitude from aphro

[past salmon]

That was my pace for the sub 10 run I had. Slightly worse I think I was like 7:07 out of fields or smth.

Just don't get fig leaf scammed like I did ig

[bleak night]

I will get scammed now gg

@past salmon shop just gave me 2 witch marks

I didn't realize if you rerolled it can be the same category

[tough vapor]

forgot static shock too, styx is gonna go great

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/834700662591586314/1298468495683616893/image.png?ex=6719ac85&is=67185b05&hm=3ff9152a0a70c9b917b1d25e9fa6196d4a8c802b82754c669ca66cf84624d603&

[lament spoke]

shameless attitude + the boon that heals you if you're above whatever percent health is a fun combo

[tough vapor]

it is

ive got discordant bell on and have since erebus, but might have to switch off to call aphrp

[past salmon]

Fire

[tough vapor]

I just got blessed by rapid slash too, this run is loving me

[lament spoke]

I love having conversations when the real high fear players are in here it's so fun i know nothing about hades 2 <- completely sincere about this

[lament spoke]

clapping and cheering for you. what weapon?

[tough vapor]

than axe

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/900387359932174442/1298469556511182859/image.png?ex=6719ad82&is=67185c02&hm=f25b2a702beb104e5e18d956d2b7f6adb4ddf8431d55d423a9d5c917b2424918&

also got this setup backing it up

at 1622 and just about to fight cerbie

tempted to try my hand at a max gold run just to see what I get

[lament spoke]

have you got uh. God is it hera and pseudonym?

poseidon. I can't type. wait you obviously have him he's there

[bleak night]

NOOOOOOOOOO I WANNA DIE @past salmon https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/834700662591586314/1298469914255818752/image.png?ex=6719add7&is=67185c57&hm=a4442108e01adc08ee153662f27c827421dadcf5526d99d6be7c9d7cc122850a&

[tough vapor]

I do not have hera sadly

[bleak night]

2 SECONDS OFF SUB 10 MINUTES AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[past salmon]

Fumbled the bag even without fig leaf scam smh

[silent crow]

owned smoked & rolled

[lament spoke]

good lord

[bleak night]

I accidentally hit Phase Shift when he was doing a phase transition

[past salmon]

😭

[loud moat]

Combine with Weak, dodge boons, trusty shield and unironically Heph Magic regen which gives 10% damage reduction you can really become invincible

[past salmon]

Unbind that crap

[tough vapor]

god a sub 10 minute run? thats insane

trying to go for one i mean

[lament spoke]

what's the 50f speed record

[cursive oyster]

congrats on the sub 10!

[past salmon]

I would of had it yesterday if fig leaf wasn't the stupidest thing ever

[tough vapor]

OH GOD 50 FEAR TOO?

[past salmon]

It's Mynt's run now.

[lament spoke]

CONGRATS MYNT!!!!

[past salmon]

But mainly because speeds haven't really been happening this patch yet

[bleak night]

bro I fumbled it

It would probably be 9:58 or something if I didn't hit Phase Shift

[past salmon]

I expect a sub 9 or better to happen at some point if fig leaf doesn't get changes

[lament spoke]

bro I am aiming for sub 10 with just frenzy take the congratulations /this is lighthearted I understand the frustration

[acoustic remnant]

remember when u said u weren’t gonna do a run today

[bleak night]

Yeah, I get that

[bleak night]

I was gonna do one for fun

[acoustic remnant]

u said u wouldn’t like 3 times bro

[tough vapor]

for the speed run what level do you use the leaf on im curious? it could make styx hella quick, but also means your without keepsake for chronos

[bleak night]

Tartarus, Antler in Fields

[past salmon]

Mynt does this all the time.
I just go "okay sure bro" when Mynt says he isn't going to do something

Addiction goes hard

[acoustic remnant]

He told me he wasn’t doing a run for 48 hours ln, then he told me an hour ago it’s too late for him to do a run

[bleak night]

Is this an intervention or smth

[tough vapor]

I keep mixing up styx and tartarous and have no idea why lmao

[bleak night]

@past salmon I was gonna do an Omega Attack meme run with no Sorceress on, I should've turned it on AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[acoustic remnant]

u should do this thing where u go to sleep

[bleak night]

it'd probs be 9:20 or something if it was on goddamnnnnn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz8nu9_UrX8&ab_channel=Myntkaramell

[tough vapor]

im curious if people have done no hit runs yet, and in the highly likely chance they have, whats their time?

[acoustic remnant]

maybe if u went to sleep on time you would’ve been awake enough to not hit phase rush when u did the run

[tough vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/900387359932174442/1298471993171120209/image.png?ex=6719afc7&is=67185e47&hm=9d171494beff9e0171f5d0fe626964f09be0669c69077c8a5715f65dd91b01b3&

ive had the bell on since leaving erebus, why is it so loww?

[acoustic remnant]

12 regions in erebus ig

[tough vapor]

well i put it on after wood, and just beat cerbie

[bleak night]

I can try doing one

[lament spoke]

if you took echo/the miniboss rooms that lowers your number of encounters too

[bleak night]

Lemme do a no damage taken run in like 12 fear or something

[acoustic remnant]

antler run?

[bleak night]

probs, I'll see

[tall notch]

I heard Foolish can do hitless 55f with Medea

[bleak night]

This should be quick still, though I'll run Apollo for safety

[tough vapor]

still only 12 encounter through 2 regions? dont each briar reward in the fields count as an encounter?

[bleak night]

No hit run means I'm fine with running Snow Queen, Nitro Boost, etc and letting those eat the hits, yeah ?

[rain hazel]

Did enemies get harder? I get I may have leaned on slow time, but i feel like Im doing worst than I should. Was doing 16 chaos before and now can barely do 2 points in attack???

[acoustic remnant]

define no hit