#h2-builds-and-combat

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steel sequoia
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need to see a video or something to convince me

spare kite
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Isn't the O.special still the same

amber dagger
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I was talking pre patch one like before the first patch came out lol

rugged moon
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the special now having innate piercing feels so good tho. Been putting hera on the special. and then it just hits every single target in your cast. breaks rebuke fast, then just melts

cursive oyster
amber dagger
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I have no idea what that means

rugged moon
amber dagger
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Hera seems like a weird god idk if I like her boons

compact nest
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So if it was release patch, it was momus. It was always momus until it got changed

amber dagger
compact nest
amber dagger
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Oh. Mb for yelling lol

compact nest
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It increased your staff special damage by 4x the base and combined with posiedon pre nerf literally was braindead easy and better than everything else

amber dagger
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Oh yeah I did one run with that it was brain dead tried it with heastia and didn’t do to good

south junco
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Ngl maybe it’s just me but torches are so underrated

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Maybe I need to play at higher heat

south junco
compact nest
south junco
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It just works weird for me and I have a hard time focusing on both using my specials and normal attacks

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I definitely need to try it out

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But I primarily use normal attack cause with specials it’s hard for me to be near enemies cause I don’t get the timing right for dodge

pine light
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best build for firstclear chronos?

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im trying sister blades basic attack but idk

compact nest
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It's what i'll be doing on a fresh file once 1.0 comes out unless a nerf happens

pine light
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so aphro normal attack?

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what other boons are good

steel sequoia
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we need the old FAQ again

compact nest
# pine light so aphro normal attack?

Aphro attack with high a rarity as possible.

Demeter cast for freeze and origination

Aphro mana regen for 2/2 origination and good mana regen

That would be my core probably

steel sequoia
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just grab hera and demeter stuff

stuck bough
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suggestions for momus staff boons?

compact nest
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Switch to another weapon

stuck bough
# pine light best build for firstclear chronos?

for daggers specifically, i would say artemis or pan if you have access to those. Poseidon on attacks is strong no matter what IMO. if you want to use something other than sister blades, charon's axe is stupid strong

stuck bough
compact nest
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Unironically prefer mel staff for faster casting

steel sequoia
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momus has to be atk+special basically so you can invest more in atk and eventually use some special bonus

stuck bough
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any suggestions for selene coat? obviously i'm trying to spam omegas, so i was thinking your standard high damage people like apollo and aphro

steel sequoia
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@bleak night @magic moss do we have good arcana presets?

rancid berry
magic moss
compact nest
spare kite
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@long pollen if your reward is a menu you can chill there while heracles counts his money

fleet basalt
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I genuinely can't see hwo the gorgon amulet is any good. What's the point of it when you have to forgo the death defiances card?

spare kite
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Strength card is super good

fleet basalt
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Most often people only get reduced to no death defiances during final boss fights on the surface and underground... at which point getting a boon from her after that fight is pointless

long pollen
spare kite
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Oh yeah I'm not against the feedback lol, just as a remedy/band aid solution

long pollen
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AND stubborn defiance too which is also crazy broken

fleet basalt
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Huh

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is the play then to have her keepsake in the first region then swap around oceanus/rift?

spare kite
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I just use it in rift usually

compact nest
fleet basalt
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Tbf I never read the card after the changes

compact nest
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Its only worse if you are actively losing all of your DD's in the run or get hit by a oneshot, which only one exists in the game so far

fleet basalt
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How does mental block work? does the deflection work as the cast ends?

surreal hazel
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and burst of damage just for a giggle

compact nest
surreal hazel
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the damage is there so rarity scales something, but it's also like, 80-100-120?

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which is nothing to sneeze at

steel sequoia
surreal hazel
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I think there's gaps, but it's pretty busted, yeah

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Divine dash also is arguably better in this game because there's not even an opportunity cost of taking it now

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it doesn't sit in your dash boon slot, it just layers on it

glad kettle
carmine ginkgo
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Hmm. The new burning desire - "while mobs are weak, any scorch they have does not diminish". Which means the dot keeps ticking while it's on, or how does it work exactly?

willow phoenix
steel sequoia
glad kettle
spare kite
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Other biomes have her show pretty consistently, even tart

steel sequoia
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afaik she only appears on surface if you dont have keepsake, i might be wrong.

surreal sundial
glad kettle
surreal sundial
# glad kettle She appears in underworld w/out keeps?

Hmm maybe I misunderstood but :

  • She can appear on the surface, on mount olympus, regardless of if you've her keepsake equiped
  • She can appear earlier on the surface if you use her keepsake (like on the boat)
  • She can't appear in the underworld *unless *you use her keepsake.
glad kettle
steel sequoia
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thats patch notes if im not mistaken

willow phoenix
glad kettle
onyx trench
willow phoenix
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The keepsake currently is bugged on fields and doesn't guarantee an appearance on olympus for some reasons.

In my experience she always appears when the keepsake is equipped on other regions

odd ruin
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quesiton, for the attack boon which would be better poseidon or aphrodite?

onyx trench
onyx trench
willow phoenix
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When in doubt just pick hera 👍

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I'm seriously gonna get hera nerfed with how much I'm saying this lol

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Deserved tho ngl

hexed frost
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Hera on black coat special is hilarious

zealous condor
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Maaaan

Why couldn’t I get a good attack boon, feel like I just got offered scorch attack like 4 times 😦

willow phoenix
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Resist the urge to buy every boon you see, it's not worth polluting the pool if your build doesn't like that certain god

surreal hazel
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So uhh, these three things together are kinda ridiculous

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Resist all of the damge, regain huge mana and explode in their face for daring scratch you

willow phoenix
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Does incandescent aura work if you have full magick?

surreal hazel
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no

willow phoenix
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If you just restore 1 magick from fixed gain's 50 does it deal damage from 1 or 50

surreal hazel
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It works on mana actually gained, but it doesn't actually care how, even regen works

willow phoenix
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Brave face + fixed gain is very nice. With strength you're already kinda immortal

surreal hazel
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Regen seems to have its own function where it ticks slower than the 0.2 sec minimum the boon allows, probably to make it less annoying

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Also the size of the pulse might depend on how much mana was used?

willow phoenix
surreal hazel
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Phoenix skin is extremely fussy with its boons

willow phoenix
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Yea the apollo infusion for heal is good enough too, just need to aim for that hera legendary

surreal hazel
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aha, just looking at the script, incandescent aura scales from 60% of its maximum size at 5 mana and full size with 15 or more used in a pulse

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it also waits until at least 5 mana has been gained before it pulses at all

willow phoenix
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Ooo so it actually scales in size

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Interesting, but tbh I never really got it to deal any significant damage

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Maybe huge mana restores would be more impactful

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Like with born again

surreal hazel
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or indeed, fixed gain

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100x5xdamage multipliers seems pretty lulzy

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also hilarious on charon axe with lucid gain, because you needed more AoE there

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from, itneresting, Furious Rockets has a hidden property that halves missile cooldown time, I'm assuming that's the period you can't fire a new salvo

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wait, it's 0.2x startup for firing missiles, 50% faster projectile speed, faster turn rate, man that tooltip is very misleading

ashen kelp
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where are you guys seeing properties? i'd love to see the "rules"

surreal hazel
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The scripts are in plaintext in the install directory

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don't go datamining spoilers, that's frowned upon to share it here

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but like, how stuff that's currently live works? No-one's stopped me yet, it's nothing you couldn't find out through testing

long pollen
surreal hazel
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Ah, there we go, the rapid lockon hammer gives you lockons in 2/3 of the normal time

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and "Consecutive hits" for ripper missiles means "hits within one second of the previous"

ashen kelp
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oh i am not looking to datamine spoilers. i just want to understand the numbers and probabilities

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is there a consensus yet on the best meta build now?

bright token
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so auto-fire currently doesn't work well or even as intended, do i get that right?

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it's quite jarring to see such a function impemented with no option to set individual buttons for omegas

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seems logical and almost obvious to make an option where holding results in a spam and double click into hold results in an omega

vale shard
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i didnt even get an onion here, zero gods room

final light
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anyone got a decent staff build? feels like the worst weapon in the game rn

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need to kill prometheus w/ 16 fear and the staff and im kinda struggling

amber dagger
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any cheese build rec

low bear
tame cloud
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What's currently good to use on Xinth?

low bear
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Selene Aspect is the best rn imo

tame cloud
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I meant boons n stuff

low bear
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for Boons any attack%, for spec Pos or Zeus are good

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for Selene specifically look for stuff that makes you consume more mana (Weed Killer, Blood Line, Controlled Burn) so that you can get your Hex up asap

odd moat
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chat whats a broken and fun xinth build

south junco
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if I use proper upbringing will the priming for boon rarity still apply?

cursive heron
final light
south junco
spare kite
final light
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ty

lavish fiber
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is there any build that makes the omega attack on xinth good? feels like it takes way too long to charge

past salmon
spare kite
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Staff ain't a real weapon I don't have time to look at its hammers

past salmon
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true

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everyone knows the only weapons that exist are Medea and Selene

amber dagger
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whats good buiild for black coat

desert mist
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Goddamn Prometheus hits like a goddamn truck

leaden owl
old wigeon
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what would you guys say is the highest dmg combo of attack/special/duo for moros flames?

halcyon grail
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Guys, why doesn't the axe on the charon aspect have a regular sigil explode as an enhanced one?

steel sequoia
magic moss
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1297692597027995689/image.png?ex=6716d9e9&is=67158869&hm=cb8c4dd6f07ca34df2bed19de60ac55b296e68740a09cf50f6d4ae94e2338aac& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1297692687016923288/image.png?ex=6716d9fe&is=6715887e&hm=424dda4d09aa1072fa8ec27f924177d96670ebedfb25f459393ba07a4a6aa627& Speed leaderboards are up. Note, for a lot of the slowest clears per aspect theres only 1 clear for the aspect so that clear is listed under both leaderboard

compact nest
past salmon
steel sequoia
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im mean, but i know what is fun and what is not dusa

sturdy escarp
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damn

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So close to killing Prometheus, although I only had one Death Defiance

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Which means if I can get there with all three, I feel good about finishing him my fourth time around

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Starting to read his moves and such, being patient and not getting too out of control. Can't wait to beat him

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Which makes me absolutety scared when Extreme Measures comes back around

bright token
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what's the consensus on prometheus? only been there couple of times now, no idea what's happening behind all the fx, much like when i first started engaging chronos but in there at least it was evident what hit/kill you. prometheus's model is much smaller and the effects are flame-blurry. seems like he is (again) anti-melee? and the memory game borrowed from poe is kind of an unpleasant surprise

dusky turtle
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I ran the surface for the first time after patch tonight and just did a no-fear setup. I think he will be fine once we learn the patterns and some of the visuals are cleaned up.

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Maybe make the flame persistence a little lower.

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That part is unpleasant.

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It’s going to be incredibly un-fun with some fear setups for sure.

compact nest
dusky turtle
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Yeah, he would be absolutely terrifying at 40% in a way nothing in the underworld is.

bright token
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my first impression was the overbearing fx is your main enemy. i remember a lot of feedback on how it was an issue in underworld, in chronos fight in particular, and now seeing even more fx in prometheus is confusing. i like the enemy model and the moves he is making seem pretty cool when you watch it back on 0.25 speed

dusky turtle
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I think maybe I would put it as “Prometheus would have taken me longer to learn than Chronos’ first form if he were the underworld end boss”.

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But as far as “Actual Difficulty”, I think it’s mostly in how hard the visuals are to read, as you said, and then a little in how fast he feels.

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I’ll think about it more after I have more than one kill.

lunar lance
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I think I've found that Demeter is my preferred Dash for the Nyx coat. Dropping a vortex at the impact site while I start punching does wonders.

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I imagine that Aphrodite's dash would also work well

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I've also been having fun with a build that powers up my attack while priming magic. Got similar buffs from both Aphrodite and from Icarus

compact nest
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Honestly i don't think i don't think i realized until now that i don't give a single crap about what dash/sprint i get in hades 2. Probably should change that with balance updates

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About the extent of my thoughts are "apollo gives me daze"

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Even aphrodite i think more about glamour gain for the weakness applicaiton of nearby people than passion dash lmao

static thicket
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Where can i get admantium

lunar lance
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Pickaxe spots on Mount Olympus

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So prioritize the pickaxe and go to the surface

static thicket
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i am

sturdy escarp
static thicket
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cant find it even with forget me not

spare kite
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If you have the raven they further increase the ore spots odds

magic moss
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sheet has been updated for today

split igloo
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Does the main damage for the aspect of Nyx come from the explosion? Or am I just not noticing the nightspawn?

compact nest
split igloo
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Ah okay thanks

obsidian ermine
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Anyone have any good Eos builds they can suggest?

past salmon
obsidian ermine
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Ty!

low bear
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Can Athena appear in fields?

willow phoenix
low bear
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Damn rip I got scammed LOL

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Echo scammed me with no DDs too

obsidian ermine
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Any good staff builds floating around? With all the changes it seems questionable...

summer seal
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What boons are working well for Moros these days?

willow phoenix
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Any boons related to spending magick is also nice, as all 3 staff aspects use omega a lot

trail python
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does strike only include attack? or special as well

spare kite
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Special too

trail python
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ty!

warped egret
# dusky turtle But as far as “Actual Difficulty”, I think it’s mostly in how hard the visuals a...

late but this kind of how i feel
i think compared to most bosses, Prometheus is really on telegraphing all his moves. like theyre punishing but all of them are some version of remember then dodge. so they feel more doable but also lorddttt they hit hard. and sometimes i spend so much time focusing on not dying, its hard to actually wail on him.

havent beaten him yet but he feels winnable, i just... can not reliably get to him.

low bear
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wow the load 3 shells at once hammer is surprisingly terrible for Medea

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and I picked it over Colossus Driver and bricked my run, what a dumdum lol

warped egret
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recently got to 3DDs plus the surface getting DD for sale + athenas replenishment has really helped. surface runs are so. whoof.

is medea the preferred? skulls just feel sm trickier to run

willow phoenix
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Medea can get iffy with certain interactions like with sea serpents and certain vow of fangs

echo pulsar
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whats the best way to build zeus sprint? Felt like I ran out of mana very quickly every time I got it

timber pawn
west summit
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Do we have a name for the Gorgon Amulet Erebus into Stalwart Stand into Last Gasp strat?

cursive heron
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Just call it that.

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GAESSLG rolls right off the tongue

willow phoenix
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That's like what, casual 250-300% damage boost if you die every encounter

west summit
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When I first tried it I only got to 136% by the end

west summit
low bear
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Id it possible to get Athena dd refill and then Echo dd refill?

bleak night
pulsar spear
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👍 sounds good ill be sure to give it a watch

bleak night
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hope you find it helpful

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...just realized I took off Sorceress for Messenger on my 50F Charon run @past salmon wtf am I DOING MAN

past salmon
bleak night
past salmon
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pretty sure yeh

west summit
warped egret
bleak night
warped egret
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omg i can use external emojis here.. thank god
so used to bioware server rules

tawdry notch
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Does "attack faster" also apply to specials?
I.e. does Black Coat's aspect of Melinoë also allow you to shoot rockets faster?

hexed frost
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im trying to run black coat. ive figured out a decent setup with zeus on attack, hera on special and trying to roll demeter for double hit. what other boons/gods should i look out for? I think hestia might have some decent duo with hera?

glossy rivet
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what should i put on nyx coat attack

hexed frost
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hera on special coat is so dumb. mobs will never touch you

glossy rivet
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flat dmg sounds like a clear winner if nightspawn adds the effects from boons

robust prism
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but yeah poseidon should work too

hexed frost
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after hera is applied with special and normal attack can still cause the chain damage right?

tawdry notch
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Yes

hexed frost
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🤝

surreal hazel
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any damage whatsoever

past salmon
surreal hazel
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Erm, erm, Apollo adds +75% weapon size to the punches on the Coat

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but only 20% more to the missile sizes

past salmon
surreal hazel
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that's crazy

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The hammer that adds +10 power and bigger size is +40% bigger size

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Seige frame seems to work a lot differently

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Doesn't enlarge the projectile at all, but increases its velocity on launch, since all "punches" are just short ranged projectiles

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interesting, the charged punch goes smoothly from 1x-8x damage at from 1-29 mana cost and steps all of the way to 10x at 30 mana

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Omega special has a cooldown of 1.1 seconds + 0.2 for each missile fired

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(well, 1.3s +0.2s per missile beyond the first but sdgsfhfg)

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dumbfires can home in one anything within the 180 degree arc in front of them

tame cloud
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What build should I do for base xinth and aspect of thanatos axe? Wanting to play both of them

surreal hazel
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Honestly the suit can make anything work,

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Than tends to like Hera, Demeter and Apollo on the attack, the special can be whatever curse you like to get origination going

tame cloud
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Curse?

surreal hazel
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Status effect

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scorch, hitch, etc...

glossy rivet
tame cloud
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Ahh ok

past salmon
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kill

tame cloud
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I dunno what origination is, havent booted the game in a looong time so i forgot everything

glossy rivet
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also is it just me or divine dash doesnt appear to be working while using nyx coat
or at least the deflect circle doesnt show up mid dash

fickle glade
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Upper Run is chaos with higher Fear. Especially with Shadow Fear and the cross-region Fear

bleak night
fickle glade
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Rift of Thessaly full of mini bombs and huge Automaton or Dragon. Definitely a DD stealer

bleak night
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The nightspawn summons a second hit that does 50% of the damage, so it applies double the static shock among other things. I still prefer % damage boosts over flat for that

glossy rivet
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is nyx coat for higher fear or smth

bleak night
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All of them work well in 50

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so by that logic, all of them also work well in any difficulty lower than that a lot more

tall notch
bleak night
past salmon
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Start moon beam, run death arcana
Rotate Omegas, its similar to Eos actually I think you'd like it @tall notch

bleak night
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^ I prefer playing the other two even if I find Selene unique and refreshing, just not my type of playstyle ig

tall notch
past salmon
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by not being a slow mfer

tall notch
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Oh then it's probably not gonna be for me

bleak night
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Timer wasn't an issue for me playing that thing

low bear
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damn I got cursed by 2 SKULL ROOMS in a row in my 50F Medea run

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would have had it but timed out at Chronos residentzag

past salmon
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should of leaf figged

low bear
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ah mine is still level 1

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I should level it probs

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but my timer was decently healthy entering tart but I got like 3-4 pretty bad rooms

blissful hound
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guys

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do bouncing knives still brick knives coming back

past salmon
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uhh yeah sort of
Still worth taking tho

blissful hound
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even on meli? i do love me the backstab damage

past salmon
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idk I don't play specials Mel

blissful hound
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kk gotchya

tall notch
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Mel daggers have a special?

past salmon
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Flick knives

blissful hound
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backstab damage +100%

low bear
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Flick feels really nice now

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also did Pan get a big Nerf because Hook is gone?

past salmon
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Pan got a big buff cuz Hecuba exists
But kinda ig yeh

low bear
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how do I even recruit these animals

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I can pet them but never get them to join

past salmon
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Raki is in Erebus fountain room, you have to see them twice I believe?
Hecuba is in Echo but cant be gotten before getting Raki and talking to hecate
There might be a step before getting raki but idk it

low bear
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ah so I need Raki first

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I keep forgetting to talk to him before leaving Erebus fountain room lmao

past salmon
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😭

low bear
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I just drink my 0HP water and rush to the exit so I keep forgetting lol

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I feel like they should stop the timer at Fountain rooms too

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I mean it's supposed to be "A brief respite"

tame cloud
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Are there any google docs/videos whatever that have some good current hades 2 builds?

bleak night
tame cloud
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bruh

bleak night
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tho tbf you can easily make builds off of what you see have won there

bleak night
tame cloud
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too much effort

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just wanna look at a builds i can play with 😭

bleak night
low bear
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90% of builds:

Sworn Strike

bleak night
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True lol

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tbh looking at victory screens is faster than reading through a build writeup

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less effort, if anything

tame cloud
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i dont even know what the icons mean so

past salmon
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Idk why people are always asking for Builds
Imo some of the most fun is finding cool builds for yourself

low bear
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different strokes I guess

tame cloud
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it might be because this is a channel where people ask for builds

past salmon
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actually its for discussions of gameplay, design, balance and builds

bleak night
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you'll be hard pressed to find anyone making a writeup for optimal builds and such for a game in EA is all, things change all the time

past salmon
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lol.

low bear
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East used to have a 32F build sheet I think but I dunno if that's still being updated

bleak night
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that was patch 1 I think lol

past salmon
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I think that's very out of date lol

low bear
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but I think it's fine to ask for builds, though yeah due to this game being in EA you won't really get a lot of focused guide content

bleak night
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I just look at the fear sheet to see what's good if idk the weap

low bear
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it definitely doesn't feel like a game in EA tbf

bleak night
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yeah, true

low bear
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but yeah lumi unfortunately there isn't really a unified guide for different builds, probably better to ask here if you have a question about a specific weapon

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and tbf there are a lot of builds out there that are great but just don't work in high fear runs

willow phoenix
low bear
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ehh I half disagree, there are a lot of ways to manipulate your RNG (keepsake, rerolls etc) and you can get some pretty consistent results

willow phoenix
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Well yes but having like a spreadsheet of boons you want to get for every aspect feels so I dunno pointless?

low bear
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but yeah most "builds" just revolve around choosing the Atk/Spec/Cast/Gain/Hammer combination for the aspect, and in most cases only 2-3 of these actually matter

glad kettle
glad kettle
tame cloud
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Yee I know that but those videos usually go on for 20-40 minutes and I don't really feel like watching it in its entirety

glad kettle
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It’s usually less than 30mins. That’s the best you can get for what you’re asking. You’ve never watched a 3hr walkthrough for a souls game then lol

bright token
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when i was speedrunning (i.e. you take the least amount of rooms so you get the least boons) i was able to get like 4 of desired setups of boons the vast majority of the time
the question about builds is absolutely valid, but the full answer will always include multiple "fallbacks"

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like i think i was getting a pivotal duo in ~85% of my runs and desired two duos in ~55-60%

warped egret
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Speaking personally, of all the stuff im good and bad at, assessing and making builds is up there. So thats why i ask for help here haha

bright token
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the worst thing to include in a build is a hammer. unfortunately the biggest customizable power spike in the game is still very rng, can't wait for hammer rerolls

vale shard
cunning spire
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is there a new meta for the skulls or is mel still the best aspect?

vale shard
tame cloud
vale shard
tame cloud
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no

vale shard
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uhm, im not sure, works fine on my end

tame cloud
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its just a frozen frame for me

vale shard
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I dm'd you the file

tame cloud
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yea its just a frame with your game audio thats it

vale shard
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discord must be doing an oopsie, nvm

glossy rivet
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what aspect build best for deleting prometheus no muss no fuss?

bleak night
glossy rivet
bleak night
glossy rivet
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ascended

bleak night
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I'm using Antler, hence the damage, but still

past salmon
#

Aspect of Dashing Heave moment

surreal hazel
#

Huh, total eclipse doesn't seem to be getting deleted by tempus death bubbles now

hexed frost
#

I'm running Hera on special for black coat. Which is better, Piper rockets or shimmering rockets. I also have the option of exhaust riser and I have Zeus on strike

bleak night
hexed frost
surreal hazel
#

Ripper rockets

bleak night
#

Shimmering is good but falls off vs solo bosses, so up to you. Bosses with adds like Chronos will feel the extra damage from Hitch rocket spam only when the minions are there

hexed frost
#

Exhasue riser is dash strike hits 3 times

bleak night
#

Ripper Rockets are better for single target

surreal hazel
bleak night
#

You have Hera so imo Shimmering

past salmon
#

Shimmering Rockets with hera Special makes rooms stop existing
I'm sure you have other ways of dealing with bosses

hexed frost
#

Ight thanks

#

With coat had a better attack string but oh well

surreal hazel
#

it's 30 then 40 pretty quickly, it's one of the better raw DPS attacks

spare kite
hexed frost
#

Not even "better" per se. Just thought it would be similar to fists from I

bleak night
#

I think it's pretty good since it's varied: a one-two that hits hard quickly and a dash that's multihit for flat damage or Scorch

#

Ah yeah, to be fair rapid punch would be fun here

surreal hazel
tame cloud
#

Which aspect should I use for sister blades?

willow phoenix
#

They're all viable, pan has a different playstyle than the rest though

tame cloud
#

I can upgrade Melinoë to max, though pan doesnt seem that fun for me

#

What boons should I prioritize with mel blades?

willow phoenix
willow phoenix
tame cloud
#

Do you have a favorite for the attack?

willow phoenix
# tame cloud Do you have a favorite for the attack?

I like running hestia attack and demeter for special for freezer burn but something like aphro attack can dish out insane damage too

Freeze helps with making sure you can backstab easier so even demeter attack works great imo

tame cloud
#

Oooh yeah makes sense, I had freezer burn once but it required me to use cast so it wasn't super useful but still nice

bleak night
#

I find that the % bonus ones aren't that great with backstab because it's additive

#

like, Scorch on attack for blades seems to be the best rn as an attack spam aspect

tame cloud
#

Daedalus dash attack upgrade for sister blades seems nice

bleak night
#

it's rly nice if you have Blitz on Special

#

it pops it on the return

tame cloud
#

dash attack also backstabs :0

#

Currently using Hestia Special, Dash-Strike hammer and zeus prime for chain lightning and its doing very well

outer sierra
#

what aspect feels best on black coat?

bleak night
#

Selene is kinda unintuitive until you talk to someone that knows how to properly play it and learn how it goes, which is weird

spare kite
#

Selene is best cuz the design is slick dusa

#

Nyx is prob my fav gameplay wise but I don't like the colors zagcry

vale gate
#

Is high fear meta to turn off dds then force the one dd per room Athena thing in oceanus

past salmon
#

Also Selene is peak Aspect design everyone should play it

spare kite
#

Someone compared it to budget zeus call and I totally understood why I like it so much

vale gate
#

That was me

#

I think

past salmon
#

is it even budget Zeus call
With upgrades on it it completely shreds more than Zeus call would

vale gate
#

Idk I maxed it and didn't feel like much

spare kite
#

Zeus also has iframes on demand + h1 had bigger sources for goobal so I'd say is still a bit better

hoary nimbus
#

How to get n.mare?

spare kite
#

Both are kinda of a visual mess tho bouldy

tame cloud
hoary nimbus
surreal hazel
#

Shine is also totally just the Aspect of Hades status effect re-used once more

tame cloud
spare kite
#

I'm still thinking in h1 terms lmfao

shell sun
#

question, can a hermes boon become heroic with the aromatic phial?

#

hermes or any event boon for that matter

hoary nimbus
heavy palm
#

I'm starting to get the hang of Prometheus on Frenzy 1, but how people can do it on 2 is beyond me.

tame cloud
#

I'm not sure how this is hard to follow, the fear menu is pretty straight forward

spare kite
tame cloud
#

also ugh I swear to god Eris is harder than Prometheus for me

hoary nimbus
spare kite
spare kite
hoary nimbus
spare kite
#

Is the same way as in hades 1

hoary nimbus
#

i am dumb tysm

spare kite
#

Outside of the oath you can also get nightmare through some prophecies/charon shipments(5 cards-100 encounters)/trading with the broker(1k bones)

#

Tho the last two only show up once you pick up some nightmare naturally I believe

tame cloud
#

any tips for Eris 😭 🙏

analog osprey
spare kite
#

Charon end shop also sells Nmare for 1.2k gold

analog osprey
#

except for her nades, which are just dodge the usual aoe

spare kite
#

Frinos can help you block a fair amount of her attacks on top of the hp bonus

#

Soot sprint works great against her but people have said that is a bit buggy atm

analog osprey
#

if you have athena deflect boons those help

tame cloud
#

ive played like 7 runs and havent met athena

analog osprey
#

soot sprint and staying behind her are the usual recommendations, then

spare kite
tame cloud
#

yea ive fought prometheus like twice

spare kite
#

Also what weapon you usually play?

tame cloud
#

so far ive only played a bit of xinth, moonstone axe, and sister blades

analog osprey
#

the more rng option is stacking enemy -projectile speed

spare kite
analog osprey
#

if medea + hermes both offer it you have a bit more room

tame cloud
#

what

analog osprey
#

they mean which axe aspect

tame cloud
#

oh, thanatos

heavy palm
#

For Eris, the aspect of Artemis on Sister Blades is great. If you haven't unlocked it, I'd suggest prioritising that if you like blades generally.

#

Allows you to turn her big attacks into a chance for punishment.

spare kite
#

The limit for hermes is still 2 boons right

willow phoenix
past salmon
bleak night
spare kite
#

Got a weird visual bug during the eris fight lol
My lovers charges became invisible

#

I thought eris just deleted them all but then I saw the "resisted!" Text

vapid hatch
bleak night
spare kite
#

By the green I assume is from a crit- oh lol

vapid hatch
willow phoenix
# tame cloud any tips for Eris 😭 🙏

If she's not bombing the ground she's gonna shoot at you. She has a pretty long window after each attack, so if you play it safe you should be able to hit and run safely. Fight her enough times and you'll start to feel the rhythm of her fight.

Play around the pillars, a lot of attacks can be done behind the pillars. If you're not sure you can just run and see what she'll do.

You can do something like 1 round of your combo before hiding. She has a lot of phase changes and you can kinda abuse it by forcing her to change phase if you have enough damage.

willow phoenix
steel sequoia
#

the only part of Eris which i found bad is the end when she jumps on spots you cant see and sometimes burst insane ammounts of damage when appearing next to yo

willow phoenix
steel sequoia
#

demeter slows her down a lot usually helps even with a sprint or cyclone in the cast

willow phoenix
#

Use athena and just deflect the bullets back at her. Her insane damage applies back to her too

spare kite
willow phoenix
#

Any vengeance boon also helps as she only usually gets to hit like 2-3 times with vengeance

spare kite
#

Wait 3 attacks from that and she goes to her normal attacks for a bit

willow phoenix
steel sequoia
#

yeah, i usually track her and burst when its possible

#

but sometimes you get surprised when you are in a mid sprint

spare kite
#

I always do that if I don't have the dps to rush her ass lol

steel sequoia
#

if you keep sprinting it might get bad

spare kite
#

Is seething marauder a bit too good or is it just me

spare kite
#

you can see how going behind her works really well

#

oh I was way lower than I thought, wayward son's extra healing procced

indigo coyote
#

quick Question: If i take Rare Crop (Demeter's boon that sets OTHER boons to common and upgrades it every X encounters) as my first boon, will the upgrades get to other boons?

spare kite
#

no

indigo coyote
#

i only have taken 1 other boon and Rare crop is an option as my second boon, guess i'll skip it then , it's epic rarity so it could pick multiple boons

#

that's weird huh

spare kite
#

tbh if its early I'd still take it lol, unless you already had your core boon at epic or smth

crimson lichen
#

do most people use Origination? (medium fear/nothing crazy) or is it worth using something else over it. super unsure rn

slate trench
#

Strength+early Athena dash actually seems crazy op... dont think i went below 75% the whole run until chronos was about to die and I got frozen by his minions death explosion thing into his 1 hit kill RIP

spare kite
#

is fun too, tho I'd prob use artificer and lovers over it

crimson lichen
#

tyty, yeah been using aritificer and lovers over it and it feels super nice

scenic saddle
#

what arcana's do you guys use now?

fossil flame
#

Is there any website for builds for each aspect? Would like to look at some Artemis Blade builds

glossy rivet
#

does charon axe trigger prominence flare or the poseidon one?

spare kite
#

you don't want prom flare tho, as it delays putting up your next cast until the laser is over

glossy rivet
#

glorious disaster?

spare kite
#

iirc yeah

#

oh wait I don't think so? haven't used it since patch 1 lol

#

ik it worked there cuz it went off at the same time as prom flare was working, idk now

glossy rivet
#

hmm could just go for hisl egendary instead

carmine lagoon
glossy rivet
#

also should i go raki or hecuba more mana sounds reliable but greedy raki gigacrits though

spare kite
#

For charon I'd just go raki

glossy rivet
#

oh ye w8 hecuba also occasionally does zeus gain for free lol

spare kite
#

Apollo's gain kinda just fixes any mana issue lol

hexed frost
#

What's the best aspect for coat DPS wise

bleak night
# carmine lagoon :0 how

you run Moon Beam start and automatically beeline for the Prism upgrade, then try your best to use as much Omega Attack and Omega Special as you can within reason once your Skyfall is on cooldown so you can have it up again asap. Against bosses, you use the Omega Attack offensively so it becomes a really strong Shield Bash of sorts. In essence, the aspect is really strong if you're able to keep the aggression up while ensuring your Skyfall has little to no downtime, because it shreds basic mobs and debuffs bosses to be weaker vs. your Omegas

#

I suggest checking out Foolish's run for it

carmine lagoon
#

So like an o-attack centric build?

glad kettle
#

With Medea are you now immune while using your special?

spare kite
#

No

glossy rivet
#

does local climate affect charoncast?

elfin marsh
#

if you use Athena's keepsake to see her early on the surface is there still a chance to see her in Olympus?

spare kite
willow phoenix
willow phoenix
#

I think prom flare most of the time is worth as it's hard to keep up enough pace to outpace the prom flare lol

#

And that most of the time it's enough damage

glad kettle
soft anvil
#

New strength arcana is actually insane. I think it might need to be toned down.

half sigil
#

Does primed magick count for the huntress card?

spare kite
half sigil
#

Damn alright thanks

spare kite
#

Your post prime is your new 100%

#

0/0 mana also works like that

half sigil
#

So maybe get a sprint for magickless builds?

#

To spend magick passively I guess. I don’t wanna do an omega in every room just to activate lol

compact nest
summer seal
#

For Selene attack boon, are Apollo, Aphro, and Hera the go-to's right now? With probably Zeus on special ideally?

compact nest
#

Zeus is fine on attack since it does apply the debuff and can constantly proc it too yeah

summer seal
#

Gotcha. Hmmm, I wonder how Hestia would do on attack, always enjoy a good Zeus + Hestia. And I don't have Hecuba yet, so also get that sweet hearth gain

compact nest
#

I dislike hestia attack because the fists aren't as fast at applying the burn, but hearth gain is great so decent secondary boon

#

Wouldn't make her a primary god to go for. Aphro/Hera/Zeus or bust imo.

#

Alternatively Poseidon isn't the worst just you do the same thing as mel spamming dash attacks and the beams do the aoe too

rustic quail
#

I love and hate how hard it is to pick arcana </3

glad kettle
willow phoenix
compact nest
waxen imp
#

chaps whats a good build for a bozo who keeps succumbing to scylla

willow phoenix
# waxen imp chaps whats a good build for a bozo who keeps succumbing to scylla

Scylla is more about positioning her fight imo. Both the drummer and scylla can be damaged at once so something with aoe is nice here. I usually leave out the guitarist for the last as she's usually just off doing her own thing.

I usually aim the drummer first, scylla next, then the guitarist. Watch out for the charge attack from the guitarist with the waves.

For boons, hera absolutely owns scylla as hitch deals so much damage here. Demeter helps a lot with slowing some of the projectiles and apollo makes it easier to hit multiple units. If you don't have aoe just focus one of them.

waxen imp
willow phoenix
#

Oot but is your profile a disco elysium reference lol

arctic cosmos
#

yeah I think wispy wiles is pretty alright here

waxen imp
willow phoenix
waxen imp
#

aaaaa ic ic

hexed frost
#

Forgot Chronos had a phase 2 and dropped my controller after beating 1st phase LOL

obtuse shale
#

Heyo! Does having magick primed count as being "below 100%"?

compact nest
#

the mana below the prime is your new 100%

Notable being 0/0 mana fully primed is still 100%

obtuse shale
#

Ah cool, wasn't sure

#

Thanks!!

lusty heron
#

what special boon for a special focussed selen coat ?

hard geyser
#

Does Hestia legendary work on Prometheus?

willow phoenix
#

Although I can't confirm which of his attacks it applies to, at least the fire on the ground got reduced

hard geyser
#

That gets me more than I'd like to admit

nimble verge
#

I had a chance to take it it but I didn't take it cuz it didn't really make sense

#

but I guess if frosty veneer works for the chronos insta kill that should work too

high trellis
#

What do you guys Prefer to start your Judgment runs, I'm doing Rank 5 Artemis, Toula, The Moon, The Queen, The Artificer, The Unseen, Eternity, Judment

#

I've been doing fine with it going down, but I'm struggling to Run to the Surface with this

rugged moon
#

toula is probably the wrong choice for pet

magic moss
high trellis
#

Her extra life has saved several of my runs

rugged moon
#

frinos is more hp

high trellis
#

True enough

rugged moon
#

frinos gives you 88 hp in that setup. toula gives you 40

#

are you using three vow of denial or no?

#

er not denial, void

high trellis
#

I havent delved too deep into the fear runs, Void scares me

#

I've only just recently done the 8 and 8 runs

rugged moon
#

i only ask cause if going judgement at least like, void 2 is essentially free

high trellis
#

well just gonna casually set that for the near future lol

rugged moon
#

anyway my suggestion is, titan, Strength, and boatman or origination, your choice if no void limit

#

titan/strength if you do void three (6 grasp limit)

high trellis
#

Wonderful, I'll be trying these both, and swapping in Frinos

#

Forgot to mention I also use the Crystal Figure keepsake for the first area if it matters?
Figure the extra card is just...a little free

#

Especially when its just Polyphemus

rugged moon
#

eh, its... fine? imo it doesnt really make a big difference vs something that gives you immediete power for when weakest

high trellis
#

I also havent met Athena yet

#

So until then I've been using that floor one

carmine lagoon
#

how do i make an o-special xinth run ;-;

#

it sucks so bad compared to the attack lmao

bleak night
carmine lagoon
bleak night
carmine lagoon
#

hera with nyx seems p good in theory

bleak night
#

Yeah, Machi did that

carmine lagoon
#

alr, ty

#

also wait - the nightspawns, are they 50% power or just -50% additive?

bleak night
carmine lagoon
#

bc if its just -50% additive, its rly strong w hera id imagine
for colossal hitch stacking

#

wow okay, xinth o-special needs to be buffed, its so much worse than the normal special D:

warped harness
#

man the removal of timestop feels so bad

#

or the time slow for the charge moves, it feels so much worse for the daggers and axe

steel sequoia
low copper
#

Xinth regular special is busted tho. Basically the staff double special plus homing hammer before it was nerfed into the ground

lavish hare
#

Does the selene aspect's applied curse count towards Origination?

spare kite
#

Don't think so?

bleak night
#

Nope

warped harness
#

what omega charge builds feel good rn?

carmine lagoon
#

athena just showed up mid-wave, didnt kill anything, and left without giving a reward lol

magic moss
carmine lagoon
#

she's had enough of my crap and decided nah

spare kite
vital ledge
#

people are beating the surface on 50F already eh? guess I just have to get good then. 😂
went from almost never losing 36 in the underworld, to losing 20 on the surface

cursive oyster
#

tbf 0 fear surface is like 20 fear uw

indigo coyote
#

is Selene's Morph Hex that turns enemy into +10 HP instead of a sheep being able to kill a sub-boss intended?

vital ledge
magic moss
vital ledge
#

hehe

warped harness
#

surface suuuucks

#

its cool but oh my god the enemies are way more brutal

#

zag had it on easy mode

willow phoenix
indigo coyote
# willow phoenix Most likely

i thought i was gonna die to Talos and Selene just insta-kill it at like 75% hp remaining. May Moonlight guide us.

hidden shale
warped harness
#

for what wep?

hidden shale
warped harness
#

i mean id love coat builds

#

am i supposed to be charge attacking or charged specialing for the coat

nova dune
#

What's the the surface god pool limit ? Feels like I am getting offered up to 6 different gods in olympus

warped harness
#

bc the attack charge on surface feels rly bad, lots of circle attacks that ignore the blocking effect like the anchor guys and polyphemus's stomping

hidden shale
#

Need to fiddle with the daggers more but Axe but axe I enjoy either aphro for big dmg or Demeter for safety, Dem also has good omega boons too

spare kite
warped harness
#

dem omega boons are very nice yeah

hidden shale
spare kite
#

Hermes/arty and the alikes don't count towards it

carmine lagoon
indigo coyote
#

how do you play with the new axe? i was surprised the block was given to the coat

nova dune
#

Weird, I was not manually increasing my pool above 4, at least I think I wasn't

warped harness
elder rapids
#

i haven't tried out the other aspects for black coat yet, but do you guys think melinoë is the best? im working towards getting the metals to rank it up it's so fun

hidden shale
warped harness
#

i like the normal attack a lot but i wanna figure out how to make the special work too

#

i might actually have to rebind the special button to input the special between slaps

hidden shale
indigo coyote
#

punching while using special feels slightly wonky tho, still can stun-lock someone of course

carmine lagoon
warped harness
#

yeah it is jank

indigo coyote
#

i think coat's special needs some of those hammer's upgrade to be top-notch

hidden shale
carmine lagoon
warped harness
#

^

carmine lagoon
#

its totally unintended, like theres no way it is

warped harness
#

the endlag on special is shorter so it actually kinda flows better

hidden shale
warped harness
#

they gave me 3 poseidon doors i think they want me to do special

carmine lagoon
hidden shale
warped harness
#

i feel like mel aspect might be insane on an attack focused build

#

it gives movespeed which is nuts

sturdy trail
#

Would anyone be willing to post a good Arcana setup for a Charon build?

carmine lagoon
hidden shale
#

So it's a lot of dancing around while also getting value from my attack boon with like Zeus or Heph

carmine lagoon
#

first surface win (16F) was:

  • pos attack
  • static shock
  • support fire
    gotta love the +flat increase
warped harness
#

pos attack

#

thats interesting, im running aphro attack bc i think her boons play rly well for melee range

#

i remove my frontal lobe and press x

surreal hazel
#

Nova Strike is strangely effective on the coat, it's +75% size, which is weird

#

most other weapons are 20% or 40%

warped harness
#

oh wow

hidden shale
#

mel attacks pretty fast so flat pos doesnt sound bad in combo with static shock.

Keep forgetting what pos zeus duo did

surreal hazel
#

Killer Current

#

Lightning does 30% more damage against slip afflicted foes

warped harness
#

oh wait for mel daggers 💀

#

yea pos is very good on either one, i love aphro daggers as well if youre finishing the chain and doing the sweep

#

with the hammer that makes the sweep huge its very strong, and it isnt hard to weave in dashes to evade attacks

hidden shale
#

Oh yeah that sounds good with many static procs

warped harness
#

tho for pos i feel like you cut the chain short for the multiple jabs

magic moss
sturdy trail
magic moss
sturdy trail
magic moss
hexed frost
#

Randomness of boons can get annoying sometimes

#

Enjoying Artemis daggers though. I feel like I'll need the Poseidon boon that drops manna to maximise that build

#

Apollo giving double hit and Hermes attack speed and the other one I can't remember

hidden shale
#

I feel like some radomness helps it keep fresh.

But then like you get a run where every ability except for one is booned but you go 5 gods straight and still dont give in

warped harness
#

im not really enjoying the charge special on xinth

#

i feel like the ranges id want to use it im out of range, and the ones it works in id rather melee

slate trench
#

the best build I had with xinth omega special abused wolf howl, if you get that charge up that gurantees next attacks/specials crit every rocket from the omega special crits

warped harness
#

maybe i just need to play it on keyboard

slate trench
#

you can kind of spam it and just constantly crit

warped harness
#

id probably wanna run the nyx aspect with that

#

that doesnt sound bad tho its interesting

hexed frost
#

Outside maxing out the specific cards is there any way to guarantee higher rarity boons

#

Got a heroic attack boon to start and now I'm chasing that high

hidden shale
#

Narc keepsake turns a random one heroic. Tho no influence on which

hexed frost
#

Yeah that's not great

#

First time rolling secret crush and man...

#
  • wicked onslaught by room 4
timber pawn
#

Sounds like a good daggers build

warped harness
#

yea nah i think im just gonna avoid xinth till i have the adamant to max the mel aspect

#

i cant stand how slow the main attack feels on the other aspects, and the special doesnt feel great either

hexed frost
#

Man dmge is already nuts. melting shields in 2 hits

hexed frost
surreal hazel
#

Erm, epic Drunken stupor does 100 damage base... 8 times. Holy dang

cursive oyster
surreal hazel
#

that's working as designed if you read the description iirc?

cursive oyster
surreal hazel
#

Says the first time it damages an enemy

#

oh man, there's a commented out Dio boon, huh... gives you a random duo that you're eligible to get!?

cursive oyster
#

if it is how its designed it should say enemies are inflicted by hangover when first damaged by an omega

cursive oyster
surreal hazel
cursive oyster
#

hm

surreal hazel
#

it's bananas amounts of damage even if it procs once

#

Also it's literally just re-using the old hangover... which should mean it helps proc origination

cursive oyster
#

it does

surreal hazel
#

ah, there we go, it's right there

sour notch
#

I don't understand how you're meant to play with the new weapon, any1 got any tips for playstyle?

surreal hazel
#

I guess it is an olympain curse

carmine lagoon
#

Where can I find the source code?

cursive oyster
surreal hazel
surreal hazel
#

less flippant is that the coat can change how you play a lot based on the hammers you get

cursive oyster
surreal hazel
#

Get shimmering missiles, and it's just a missile spam fest, get world collider and counter barrage, big punch

#

Huh, Okay, interesting

#

Artemis Mark is a curse. Raki's uses the same graphics, but it's not the same effect, it's not a curse

warped harness
#

do yall think itd be nice if they added a twin stick mode where you changed your base button inputs to be on the bumpers and could change where mel was facing for weapons that like to be directed

surreal hazel
#

not enough buttons though?

warped harness
#

wdym?

surreal hazel
#

Would only apply to the torches, where specials can't be aimed anyway

spare kite
#

iframing simon says is easier than expected

warped harness
#

i feel like it could apply to xinth as well

surreal hazel
#

simon says is also when Phoenix skin just gives you 30hp at least for free

warped harness
#

the block is so finnicky that being able to direct it so it doesnt just instantly point to the closest enemy would be nic3

hexed frost
warped harness
#

maybe its just because the surface enemies suck, but i hate trying to block a projectile and then getting snuck up on and having that be ruined

surreal hazel
warped harness
#

i didnt know that

surreal hazel
#

it's new this update

warped harness
#

oh

lament spoke
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the difficulty jump from 24 to 32 heat feels. so big

surreal hazel
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yeah, you can't just take the vows that don't multiply with each other any more

lament spoke
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yeahhh

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made it to scylla this time though! i timed out in hecate first try

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i'm almost tempted to play strength but it doesn't seem. strategic

warped harness
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are tanky water builds still a thing

surreal hazel
warped harness
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i miss the shield

lament spoke
surreal hazel
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Slightly nerfed, with frosty veneer capping damage at 20 now

warped harness
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thats still really bulky

surreal hazel
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but strength tankiness with brave face and fixed gain is definitely A Thing

lament spoke
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hm. athena first for divine dash. strength. face tank

warped harness
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brave face?

lament spoke
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yea

surreal hazel
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heph/hera duo

carmine lagoon
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Strength:

  • Can heal all EHP back
  • Healing is twice as effective
  • +25% damage

DD’s:

  • More EHP (2.2x instead of 2x)
  • Damage gating for huge hits
  • Can replenish with Echo/Athena/money, but is RNG
lament spoke
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that requires taking a lot more heph than i ever try to

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any suggested edits. i tried with full timer and i died to hecate because of it

surreal hazel
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man just turn on hordes and stop being a pansy

warped harness
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ive been ducking heph for a while im afraid i need to go back and check it out

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also strength is now 50% DR?

surreal hazel
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big damage and scars too? off

surreal hazel
warped harness
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no kitty 😔

carmine lagoon
warped harness
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i find a lot of my runs im either losing no DDS or losing like most in a single fight

lament spoke
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i'm not a pansy i'm a [slur that i'm redacting for the mods benefit]

warped harness
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polyphemus my behated

lament spoke
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i never got beyond like 16 heat in h2 i am so new to this

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BUT i did do 24f chronos first try (it came very down to the wire) (i misremembered which direction i went)

carmine lagoon
lament spoke
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okay slay

carmine lagoon
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Also, what weapon is this? Wards can be brutal

lament spoke
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blades

carmine lagoon
lament spoke
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it's not that hard they get got with one special

carmine lagoon
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Special build or attack build?

lament spoke
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my run distribution by weapon is EMBARRASSING

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artemis aspect so attack. normally i aim to get the aphrodite/zeus build first thing but also i run for speed more than for high heat

carmine lagoon
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Also honestly I’d take full scars, at 50% healing sucks so so bad already you might as well (and save money for emergency DD purchases)

lament spoke
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like. glamour gain + heavenly strike gets free origination

lament spoke
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i'm more likely to stick the 3rd layer of timer back on

carmine lagoon
lament spoke
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hestia yes, poseidon no - doesn't the knockback screw you over?

carmine lagoon
carmine lagoon
lament spoke
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mmkay

carmine lagoon
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And slip gives origination, just a bit later (but almost certainly more damage that Zeus)

lament spoke
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i just like being able to have merciful end 2.0

carmine lagoon
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Sadly it’s a bit underwhelming, I really hope they buff Zeus

lament spoke
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i've got zeus' keepsake fully upgraded so normally i'm doing i think ~250 damage for blitz

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or 500 with romantic spark

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might just be 200 i don't remember. but it's decent. i think. as someone who mostly plays to listen to heracles' voice lines (joke

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alternatively as someone who mostly plays because of my ceaseless pursuit of sub 10 (not joke

carmine lagoon
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Idk how… safe romantic spark is with that much pain on

lament spoke
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TRUE. true

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i also haven't managed to set it up yet because i keep getting very bad rng <3

carmine lagoon
lament spoke
carmine lagoon
carmine lagoon
lament spoke
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o shoot yeah

surreal hazel
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not with the torches!

carmine lagoon
surreal hazel
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mel torches too

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extra special time on the omegas

lament spoke
surreal hazel
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flame strike

spare kite
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click moros and automatically win

lament spoke
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i mean yeah i'm playing moros

carmine lagoon
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Or Hera on special for that sweet crowd control

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But they’re so versatile overall with the base speed you can take anything after hearth gain and flame strike really

lament spoke
carmine lagoon
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Any origination cast will do

lament spoke
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the argent skull is leering because i haven't won with it yet <3

carmine lagoon
spare kite
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you could drop to horde 1 for time 3 no

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I don't like suggesting fangs ngl

carmine lagoon
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The sucky thing about hordes to me isn’t more enemies per wave, it’s more waves

lament spoke
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but i timed out with grit 3 (which is why it wasn't on time 3 anyway, my average low heat runs are coming in at like... 11-13 minutes depending?)

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with uh. 3 levels of timer

spare kite
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I mean you don't have grit on this time

lament spoke
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yeah. maybe timer 3 time >:3

spare kite
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oh is this surface or underworld

carmine lagoon
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You really don’t wanna do too much grit, think of all the boss health

lament spoke
spare kite
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aight yeah then time is kinda chill

lament spoke
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so swap to hordes 1 timer 3?

carmine lagoon
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Tbh probably gonna get similar time with hordes 3 time 2 as with hordes 1 time 3, just lose more health lol, so yeah

spare kite
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Less enemies with fangs perks sounds good to me lol

lament spoke
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any other suggestions?

spare kite
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I'd do scars 3 but idk how comfortable you are with no healing

lament spoke
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i don't trust myself like that

spare kite
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Fair enough

lament spoke
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also any builds to aim for

carmine lagoon
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Don’t spend money on healing unless u rly need to btw, it’s just so unworth with x1.8 money and x0.5 effectiveness

spare kite
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What wep you doing?

lament spoke
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wait i'm gonna find an image of my weapon distribution per run it's rly funny

spare kite
lament spoke
carmine lagoon
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Either pos or hestia, then get any curse-applying cast or dash/sprint (or both) and/or slip if doing pos

lament spoke
spare kite
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Could do explosive ambush too but if you wanna keep the parry for defense I'd do pos/scorch too yeah

carmine lagoon
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To be extra safe you can use Athena keepsake in Oceanus for divine dash

lament spoke
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why not erebus

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oh wait. i'm just planning on losing all my DDs in erebus in this scenario

spare kite
lament spoke
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actual?

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ah

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so. hestia first keepsake, then athena - does that mean i'm taking strength? or am i just hoping i die 3 times in erebus

spare kite
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If you are doing revives gaming I wouldn't take athena

lament spoke
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i am halfway tempted by strength

spare kite
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Prob just force dem in oceanus for cast or heph for mint condition

fallen iris
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I mean, for underworld I wouldn't go Strength + athena

spare kite
lament spoke
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oh yeah i do my normal runs with strength now

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strength is fun

fallen iris
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I've lost a run recently because a hourglass stunned me right before Final boss' One-Shot attack

lament spoke
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what if i'm simply faster than the timer

spare kite
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should have iframed the insta kill

lament spoke
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/joke that's not going to happen

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but it could. i'm gonna try it if i die i can always go again

spare kite
carmine lagoon
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Oh yeah forgot the whole no dd thing mb

fallen iris
lament spoke
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yeah but +25% damage means things have 25% less time being alive in which they can damage me

spare kite
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Strength also buffs value of armor/heals (tho a bit nerfed here cuz scars)

carmine lagoon
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And healing is 2x effective

fallen iris
lament spoke
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pin negates strength though doesn't it?

spare kite
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If you are doing pos start you could also greed for water fitness + frosty veener lol

fallen iris
spare kite
fallen iris
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It's not a DD

lament spoke
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oh slay

carmine lagoon
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If you wanna go for an actual build, freezer burn is always fun, but subject to typical RNG BS

spare kite
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But yeah if you are doing strength you could just athena in oceanus, I prefer mental block tho

fallen iris
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You're planning on going daggers 32F?

lament spoke
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freezer burn for blades - scorch attack freeze cast

fallen iris
lament spoke
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oh no 12 i can't read my own screen

fallen iris
lament spoke
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i know but also i like them most :] i do Not care if it's optimal they make me happy

lament spoke
spare kite
fallen iris
lament spoke
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😔

fallen iris
carmine lagoon
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if you held me at gunpoint and asked me what build for 32F daggers, I'd probs say pos attack, get slip + any curse applying cast/sprint, maybe dem cast for the safety, done

lament spoke
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bet

spare kite
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could also play coat with the same build

lament spoke
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i'm not having my THIRD coat run be 32f sob

carmine lagoon
lament spoke
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i'm gonna strength+athena it and if that goes tits up, then i'm gonna DD+poseidon it (for first keepsake)

fallen iris
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What'd you do? Probably special spam is safest? Pray for jumping rockets on Poseidon?

carmine lagoon
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Special spam is fun with Hera

fallen iris
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But what should I pair it with tho... Hera-Hestia is dead since duo got legendary treatment probably?

lament spoke
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I GOT SHEEPED

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literally the most humiliating way that could have ended....

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i timed out while i was a sheep

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i feel like i still haven't quite communicated my frustration at that.

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sheep

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-# sheep...

loud moat
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Anyone have opinions on the Staff special yet? I’m enjoying the change. Faster and it bounces automatically. But haven’t done a real run with them yet.

Any boons that stand out as working well with them?

hexed frost
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Wow got nervous wreck for the first time. How is this legal?

vestal trout
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I think the black coat may be my new favorite weapon
It's really fun, and really strong

lament spoke
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okay we are abaaandoning attempts at 32f <3

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after one more

lime bay
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They gotta, if only because Aspect of Selene gets insanely busted really quickly, but I'm gonna be sad when it happens.

vestal trout
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The selene aspect is that busted?
I tried it out once and it didn't feel too nuts
I do see the potential, but that is at the cost of being able to use any other selene thing

warped harness
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did they buff eris or smth

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she's breaking the pillars without the purple snipe and i swear she comes onto the field with her summons so much faster

tired fulcrum
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Yeah they definitely messed with how often she goes into the air

vestal trout
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I do remember seeing pillars break without snipe before the update, but less often

fallen iris
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I'll ask here too, what happens if I purge hestia's burnt offering?

vestal trout
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And yeah it seems overall they seek to lower downtime in the middle of fights

lament spoke
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sorry back to asking advice. any suggestion for a keepsake to take into mourning fields on 32f

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i'm 3mins ahead of the timer currently

magic moss
lament spoke
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bet

magic moss
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fig leaf tart

lament spoke
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was the instinct anyway

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okay cool, my fig leaf is Not super upgraded yet

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by not super upgraded i mean not upgraded at all in fact

magic moss
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get fig leaf maxed

lament spoke
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o7

terse bear
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Just curious, has anyone been using Hecuba? she seems really good, but I'm not quite sure what she synergizes the most with

magic moss
terse bear
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That's what I was thinking, like Charon axe or Selene coat

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Pan might be really strong too

lime bay
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Selene coat doesn't really need mana to work though imo

terse bear
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Huh. Now that you mention it I tend to get the hex more from auto charge than anything else

lime bay
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Yeah the auto charge options on the Hex upgrade path make it basically not need mana.

terse bear
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yeah. Do you usually start with selenes keepsake? That's what I've been doing so far and it seems to work really well

lime bay
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Aye.

lament spoke
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made it to tartarus

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if i die at this point i'm gonna be GUTTED

terse bear
lime bay
terse bear
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oh yeah for sure

lime bay
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Aspect of Selene is gonna get nerfed though, and it's gonna deserve it. Even outside of running Selene's Keepsake for that early power boost the Hex is just a nuts damage tool for bulkier enemies and bosses, and Xinth is generally just really powerful imo

terse bear
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honestly would have to agree

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although I don't want it to get nerfed

lime bay
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I don't either 😔

surreal hazel
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still feels real nice to just have more speed and attack speed though, including punch channeling time

terse bear
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Yeah the innate sprint boost makes it feel really good to use

lime bay
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Obviously there are some other Hexes that might be stronger, but the fact that Skyfall is guaranteed really does contribute to the power.

terse bear
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the +2 beams per each strike is crazy

lime bay
terse bear
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and extra consecutive damage

vestal trout
lime bay
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The consecutive damage is the one I forsee getting nerfed. It just shreds through bosses at such a rapid pace.

lament spoke
surreal hazel
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Figging into tartarus

terse bear
lime bay
surreal hazel
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Legit a good strat if you're on the clock but still want side rooms

surreal hazel
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Sublimes are the purples

lime bay
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fixed.

surreal hazel
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Cool, but yeah

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Feels like an Eminence moment

terse bear
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also has anyone taken the hammer that boosts missile speed by 80%? I swear it wouldn't let me have more than one instance of missiles at a time, lowering the dps output

lime bay
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I have taken it, but I didn't see it really doing much (if at all) to really boost the power of the weapon.

terse bear
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weakest hammer for the weapon imo

surreal hazel
terse bear
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I just took it for the quest

surreal hazel
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And 80% less prefire time

lament spoke
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@fallen iris i have tried moros a couple times lately, but the actual playstyle is pretty confusing to me - dodging feels slightly strange, and i can never work out when my omega special's expired bc of all the visual effects

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also am slowly becoming a than axe girlie

surreal hazel
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Swing swing special on than feels nice to use

fallen iris