h2-builds-and-combat

[zealous condor]

I mean

I'm sure there's ways not to but it just feels like it takes forever without

and omegas end up idk 60% of your damage anyways?

[rugged moon]

use casts to build time

omega cast is great and doesnt need sorc

[zealous condor]

omega charge speed if you have mana gain is damage

[brazen ore]

i dont think i quite get the xinth playstyle

[rugged moon]

it is but the hardest part of judgement runs is the start, not the end

[south junco]

Honestly the rework on the splitting flames hammer is so good

[willow phoenix]

I just punch things and it works.

[south junco]

they now count as basic attacks so you restore magick with hearth gain

[thick knoll]

if you pick selene just spam omega for hex then punch

[brazen ore]

im never quite getting the omega attack up in time for the block to do anything. should i just care about the regular attack

[south junco]

which means you can fire your omega indefinitely as long as the splitting flames are hitting things

[brazen ore]

just have mel aspect rn, trying it out

[south junco]

umbral flames are eating good rn

[willow phoenix]

I prefer just normal attacks for mel

[thick knoll]

i really should bind special to a trigger when using coat think i can use it while punching that way

[willow phoenix]

Can get really nasty with certain boons

[desert mist]

this gale hecate mentioned still isnt in the game right

[rugged moon]

correct

likely to be fifth companion. if you look by the silver pool there are five spots for companions to stand

[desert mist]

cool cool

[willow phoenix]

The polecat right, it was seen early on but disappeared alongside hecuba

[rugged moon]

ye, that was gale

[thick knoll]

makes me curious if we get another rescource

[rugged moon]

doubt it

[willow phoenix]

There's picking stuff up from the ground, like the flowers

[rugged moon]

my guess is rerolls

[thick knoll]

and what will it increase then we already have mana, health, crit chance, death defiance

[rugged moon]

elements, rerolls

rerolls health/mana equiv where just gives. and then increases the chance of elements from any looting done

from 50 to whatever maybe like. 80, 10 per ugprade

[thick knoll]

ah elemental infussions you mean

[rugged moon]

yeah

give like 30% chance for an element whenever doing looting (at max rank)

Thats my bet for its "meta resource" based ability

[thick knoll]

and then 3 rerolls or something

[rugged moon]

yeah

[thick knoll]

gonna be honest might be a bit overkill with rerolls we already have lot

[rugged moon]

esp cause it vaguely makes sense cause it matches what the fated list viewed as the upgrades

the fated list prophecy required upgrading each tool for elements + the one to allow for more loot or w/e

[thick knoll]

it very likely unless they add a way to get more prestige

[rugged moon]

true but yeah i doubt it

could also be like, just increases chance to loot more from each node?

[thick knoll]

feels like thats too strong feel like that would be picked for farming a lot

[rugged moon]

personally i actually really hope it is elements

[desert mist]

so i got born again, didnt it get changed? feels exactly the same like it did at first

[rugged moon]

nope born again is the same

[willow phoenix]

The numbers changed

[rugged moon]

jsut numbers^

[desert mist]

ahh, i thought it got nerfed harder than that

[rugged moon]

of note: im kinda sad they fixed the pom bug

i actually kinda really hoped they just made that a part of the game

unitentional turned into "lets keep it" it made poms feel MUCH better at high fear when they also had the benefit of "give you mana"

now poms just feel kinda weak, they give so little

on top of the fact that some of the boons are really really weird at high fear now. Snow Queen is actively bad to get at higher then common if you have hubris 2

[willow phoenix]

The scaling does need tuning imo, even some insane queen's ransom with 20+ levels doesn't feel all that great

[rugged moon]

snow queens primed scaling is worse then hubris 2

[low bear]

what's the pom bug?

[rugged moon]

use to be in patch 4, that if you pommed, or otherwise altered a boon. then vow of hubris would forget it and youd get the primed mana back

[wary gull]

Guys, there's any tierlist about the aspects? I mean, I hate ever to play with Raveel and Ignium, but I need to play and I never know what is better to then

[low bear]

ahh yeah I get what you mean, it was kinda fun working around Arrogance like that

[rugged moon]

i enjoyed it

made, poms feel like a great pickup at 50f sometimes

[low bear]

true

[willow phoenix]

All skull and torch aspects are viable imo. Least fun would be Persephone imo.

[low bear]

though at least they did nerf Arrogance into Hubris, if it still primed 10 magick per rarity without the pom bug it would be PAINFUL

I wonder if that's why they took so long to fix it

though I guess most 50F run magicless anyway lol

[rugged moon]

It also made rare crop better

[desert mist]

so ive rarely used the skull, how does one use Medea

[rugged moon]

Rare crop did the same thing of freeing mana which made it hitting your rares/epics less bad

Attack, special, repeat. Hera on atrack, zues on special

[low bear]

spec-attack-spec-attack-spec attack repeat

[wary gull]

I decided to never play with the persephone one LMAO its the least funny aspect in the game

[rugged moon]

You use aspect of beowulf in h1?

[low bear]

also kinda bs that sacrifice boons also prime magick

[desert mist]

i have not but seems simple enough

[low bear]

I think sacrifice should remove priming as an incentive

[surreal hazel]

or at least just count one extra rarity

Also just how many attacks does Prom even have? Like, 9?

[willow phoenix]

Persephone feels like it needs poseidon omega cast to be fun, which is a bummer as how fast you can play with it is entirely dependent on boon rng

[low bear]

born gain just got the priming changed, which to be fair did balance it a bit and other gains got buffed too (Warmth Gain noticeably for certain weapons)

[low bear]

I always just use Zeus cast no?

[willow phoenix]

Ah yea that's viable too

[low bear]

Zeus + Lightning Lance on Persephone is ultra safe

[spare kite]

Anvil also gud

[rugged moon]

Dem is better then anvil

[low bear]

yeah I never really liked Anvil

[rugged moon]

Perseph just wants to do as many possible hits of damage

Anvil only does 3

[surreal hazel]

Anvil's biggest problem is that it's utterly lacking in synergy with... basically everything

[rugged moon]

Anvil is underrated imo, just not for persphone

[surreal hazel]

...except raw cast damage bonuses, where it really shines

[low bear]

Anvil feels like it should be a secondary cast boon like Dem's gust

[spare kite]

Persephone charges on cast dmg, not just hits so it still gives good charge

[surreal hazel]

I dunno how you make anvil ring play with Blast-style boons with the current convention

[spare kite]

Basically just don't take hera's or hestia's really lol

[surreal hazel]

Hera's cast is probably the best "I don't actually care about rarity or level" cast

[low bear]

I hope Heph's blasts do get reworked, they're a cool idea but need some buffs

[surreal hazel]

and it's kinda nuts with Local climate, since you just run around with it like a hitch paintbrush

[low bear]

Dem too, all I care about is the freeze anyway

[surreal hazel]

Vortexes are underrated since they don't say they slow projectiles in them

[low bear]

though Dem cast does surprising damage and enters in my top 5 damage dealers quite a bit

[rugged moon]

Imo if want it to work with blast is easy. Just have a timer where when its up the cast triggers it as part of its three step damage

[surreal hazel]

dem sprint is basically immunity to being turned into a sheep

[rugged moon]

But always does its damage at base

Could even make it a tier 2 cast boon. “Anvil ring damage blasts for x damage recharges: y seconds”

[surreal hazel]

A) The timer function is already being used for Seismic hammer B) that would be way too busted with Grand Caldera since you're making blasts every 3 seconds

[low bear]

I think Blast needs better support boons

[willow phoenix]

I want more clanging, maybe make blast appears after certain amount if hits.

Or just lower interval

[low bear]

Heph blast should have a low amount of % buff too?

I wonder how good that would be then

[rugged moon]

Nah

[surreal hazel]

Caldera is already hilariously good, Fixed + damage, scales 50 damage per pom, no scaling falloff

[willow phoenix]

Like after X amount of hits causes an explosion that deals X% of damage dealt

[surreal hazel]

Or just like, give Mel damage reduction while in it?

[low bear]

also a support boon that resets the blast or reduces the timer when it kills an enemy, then it could be a cool snowballing playstyle

[surreal hazel]

or do a hera and cause a blast if you kill something in it (I have no idea why engagement ring works that way)

[low bear]

Heph Legendary should just be: Get a Hammer

[rugged moon]

I like current heph legend

[surreal hazel]

And you move by shuffling sideways

[low bear]

Actually I'm most disappointed that they don't make Heph interact with hammers in some way, it only makes too much sense

[surreal hazel]

Fine Tuning is... a bit wonky

[low bear]

I feel like current Heph legendary barely does anything

[rugged moon]

“Gain 100armor each time you get a hammer, get a hammer now” mhmm mhmm

[surreal hazel]

Also not set up properly on xinth

[willow phoenix]

Agree, it's way too different for each aspects

[surreal hazel]

Level 6 mel xinth is only 25% bonus

[low bear]

you're better off with nimble limbs no? lol

[willow phoenix]

Inb4 they move Heph legendary to a duo lol

[surreal hazel]

Should be 35% from following the pattern

[surreal hazel]

Move speed though

[low bear]

kinda balanced by Nimble giving a higher number

[surreal hazel]

You could legit swap it with hestia heph duo

[willow phoenix]

And maybe add some blast related one in place, like swap it with the duo that refreshes blast or something

[low bear]

that would feel weird since you probably get your 2 hammers before getting a leggo, maybe get a damage buff per hammer you have

[surreal hazel]

But hey, chain reaction now work with smithy stamp

[low bear]

or even better, scale up the effects of your current hammers that would be cool

[willow phoenix]

But would be useless for hammers that can't be scaled like

[brazen ore]

does anyone know what the logic behind nerfing sorceress was

[surreal hazel]

Just giving an extra hammer is crazy good tbh

[brazen ore]

im going crazy over here

[willow phoenix]

Like the axe one for being able to attack while omega attack

[surreal hazel]

Speeding up gameplay

[brazen ore]

but it doesn't speed it up bc you're still stuck in one place while you channel

[surreal hazel]

Also making it work better for weapons that don't use or like the slowdown

[autumn nymph]

https://imgur.com/a/9fjR5tu

[surreal hazel]

Like omega punch

[low bear]

they could cook something up to buff it ig

[autumn nymph]

logorithmic scaling who?

[low bear]

like a minor charge speed buff or something if you get the Heph leggo

[pliant dust]

when would i ever want black night banishment from circe?

[willow phoenix]

Imo it was too cheesy and made mobs too easy. Like there are builds where you just almost perma time slow everything.

Prob just not the direction SGG wants the game to go

[low bear]

if you're running really high fear I guess you might luck into getting a nasty vow turned off

[brazen ore]

i think that how long the time slow lasted was a problem, but not having it at all is kinda making me never want to use omega attacks ever

[pliant dust]

ohhh for some reason i think i was mixing up vows as like the cauldron buffs i get, not the fear vows

[low bear]

but it's an extremely high variance pickup

[spare kite]

first prom not on top 5 finally https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1297319671829233785/image.png?ex=67157e98&is=67142d18&hm=36e21b7fa3b162205aa9baa599a8ab60b545c22d982902feb11e30a2e29ce14d&

[willow phoenix]

Personally I find the added channel speed enough most of the time. You're just not able to channel in front of the enemy's face anymore sometimes.

And some aspects really benefitted from the added channel speed, like with torches and daggers.

It does take time getting used to not playing with time slow but trust me it gets more fun the more you're used to it.

[brazen ore]

yeah, i'll probably try an omega-heavy build soon and see how i feel. i'm not loving it at the moment but i'm completely willing to accept that it's a skill issue, i wouldn't say i'm spectacular at the game yet by any means

[lofty grove]

Admittedly my last run is with a giga-cleave Charon build and it's too slow to use a lot with the Olympus enemies🥲

[steel sequoia]

im anti time slow and player, feelsgood when you get used

just like when you get good in the flame memory game of prom

[willow phoenix]

Demeter on cast helps a lot for charon. You can even set up something like zeus on special for dem zeus duo, then add apollo for prominence flare and hopefully zeus apollo duo

Sadly I don't think the added channel speed affects axe special(?)

[brazen ore]

does there exist an excel sheet of builds?

[brazen ore]

that is the part of prom that i'm finding the easiest. its the everything else that sucks lmao

[willow phoenix]

I don't really know I just remember the things I've tried

[brazen ore]

well, not sucks. like, it's a good fight i think. i'm just bad at it rn

[steel sequoia]

after a couple times you should be able to predict what is he doing and dodge properly the chaincombos and flame bursts, its not easy tho

id say prom has like 4 patterns

[brazen ore]

it takes me a little while to get patterns nailed down, it's not helped by the fact that casts dont really hold him at all. right now i keep accidentally getting in too close and getting janked by the punch missiles

[steel sequoia]

dem freezes helps a little, you cant snare him with is fine by me, but you can damage. if you get the patterns you can calc the oppenings and burst him properly, usually from the back

look how i early dodge his bursts https://www.tiktok.com/@inosukevgc/video/7427497982599187718

[brazen ore]

thanks !

ill head up and give him another go soon. rn im lookin for those new animals

[spare kite]

Mental block from athena always very comfy for the fight too

I just place cast down out of habit for furies or some cast boon and deflect a fair amount of his attacks

[brazen ore]

so far she's only shown up for me once

[steel sequoia]

i didnt like the doggo, hes usefull but raki is so damn good, birb stronk

[spare kite]

Just rng better (and remember to get her keepsake when she shows up again)

Tho you may wanna learn strength gaming instead of eternity

[brazen ore]

i did forget her keepsake 😭 i remembered dio's though

[willow phoenix]

Strength gaming make things so smooth man, just shrug of enemy attacks when they only hit for like 5 damags

Then heal with wayward son and repeat

You can try the ultra tank build with fixed gain + brave face + strength, chronos only hit for like 5-8 damage

[glad kettle]

Any Aspect of Nyx build ideas?

[willow phoenix]

I kinda want to see if I can tank the insta kill without frosty veneer

[steel sequoia]

idk about strength, i prefer having DDs and be aware that i cant tank damage. but i dont play high fear so its just optimal for me.

[brazen ore]

i always innately want to tank but in terms of like improving my pattern recognition and stuff, i realllyy try and avoid doing it

[steel sequoia]

ive tried zeus sprint and its bad, poseidon might work, or you just dunk a full aphro build. the 30 mana cost is too intense to justify spamming nightmare.

[willow phoenix]

Usually I just focus on specials with nyx, like poseidon or zeus on special can really dish out some damage

Sprint to activate the buff and spam special

[steel sequoia]

i think the best Nyx should have hera pack with zeus attack/static shock. you run in stuff and just melts everything with attack spam tbh.

[willow phoenix]

I don't know how damage reduction is calculated but assuming it's multiplicative then you get at least 75% from brave face and strength alone. If we add Od keepsake, fixed gain, and weak, I think getting the insta kill to around 120-ish damage is possible assuming it's around 750 damage iirc

[spare kite]

Is 999

[glad kettle]

Hestia magic regen might help? Was thinking of Hep dash x Hestia magic regen x Aphro attack (hopefully with 3x dash strike hammer) with nightspawn

[spare kite]

I've made it work with aphro's gain, but yeah hestia guarantees full mp pretty much

[willow phoenix]

Oh then if my math is correct it should be around 140 ish, can get even lower considering there are other sources of damage reduction like well items

[steel sequoia]

looks good, but its a core that you can run on the other aspects either

[glad kettle]

Nice. I hardly ever use specials (except omega) because I find the targeting wonky

[steel sequoia]

i dont think Nyx excels with anything better than mel and selene

[glad kettle]

I’ve run Mel aspect like 100 times already lol

Pos attack (with slip) with Zeus special and Hestia cast. If you get their duos, everything dies fast

[willow phoenix]

Mel is my favorite, you just punch things

[glad kettle]

Mine too

[willow phoenix]

Selene is fun but I don't find omega spam on the coat that smooth

[zealous condor]

Does dd prevent “heal damage dealt in last 2 seconds” from working? Additional question: do all slow-downs not… slow down game timer?

Also 20% faster Prometheus feels unintelligible to me rn, I know comparing it to eris when I’ve fought eris like 20 or 30 times now is silly but still

[willow phoenix]

I don't think slow downs slow down the game timer, part of why people started ditching sorceress on high fears even before the change

[zealous condor]

Are omega moves largely useless in high heat or…
I kinda get the “slow down game = nothing” since it’s only there to prevent damage/make dodging easier, something I imagine high heat players are already fantastic at

[willow phoenix]

I'm still using a lot of them at 32 fear, dunno at something like 50f

Got to ask one of the 50f players for that lol

But since the fastest 50f is on moros which relies on omega move I'm gonna say it's still useful

[steel sequoia]

dont think that is the case, i think they just do a regular special instead of omega, not 100% sure.

Moros was super strong, idk how it is now tho

and i liked mel coat more, just smashing static shock with hera ring and its all good

feels better than playing manaless staff

[compact nest]

So saw a reddit post about how you can fire a Black coat special every attack and uh... it works lmao https://imgur.com/KMsB3VA

Turn on auto-fire in general settings, hold down special and spam attack. Dunno if it works on controller but works on pc

[rugged moon]

It does

Also there are two big reasons for no sorceress in patch 4 for many weapons. The big one being most builds were manaless to begin with and just spamming attack. Specials just way too weak. The timer part not slowing down effects it too but as a secondary negative it also just… wasnt optimal to use omegas as primary damage

[odd bolt]

how do you make the torches work?

[rugged moon]

Its an extra boon to get a gain when already want several others, it often has more downtime where you are doing said gain, it required thinking about boon rarities, etc

Torches? Just spam attack. With like hera. If its moros throw soecials every so often for explosions

Rememver you can dash while channeling without interrupting

[hexed frost]

Will Hera show up in the underworld after you unlock her upstairs?

[rugged moon]

Yeah

Shes like demeter from h1

[safe holly]

Yep

[hexed frost]

Thanks

Trying to find new builds with her

[safe holly]

Gl man my attempts at using her never end well

[spare kite]

if you have used aphro or apollo you can use hera in those same slots

[lament spoke]

i tried hera on moros special the other day and quite liked it. i think

[hexed frost]

I'm trying to use her with the axe

[steel sequoia]

aint there a hammer that does that?

[hexed frost]

Idk if aphro pairs well though

[compact nest]

Its a % chance to spawn those on a cooldown, but yes.

This is guaranteed every attack and presumably would stack

[steel sequoia]

makes sense

looks like a tho

[compact nest]

dunno if i'd call it a bug tbh

Obviously not "intended" in a grand balance perspective but its how its designed to work, similar to how auto-fire perfectly fires off that one staff hammer too

Oversight really

[bleak night]

anyone wanna VC while I grind out some 50f runs ? doing Staff rn and it's lookin pretty good

[mint nexus]

I just got Prometheus 2nd try (practically first, I was already almost dead the first time)

I’m almost certain it was a build victory cause I did not skill this at all

Hestia and Aphrodite’s Duo Boon with Glamour Gain is crazy.

I’m using Artemis knives for the record, which is important because they attack the fastest, and therefore stack scorch the fastest. And when the duo boon makes it so scorch never runs out as long as I’m standing near an enemy, well…
I just attacked him a bunch at the start and then focused on dodging his attacks as I passively dealt rapid damage to him. Admittedly I’m not very good at dodging his attacks yet, since this is my second try, but on further runs this build should be even crazier.

[tough vapor]

does hephaestus zues duo dmg you or just pass through you?

[faint spear]

Pass through

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/440995916091097088/1297356320919523368/Hades_II_245.png?ex=6715a0ba&is=67144f3a&hm=a890667cbc7ac91690207f0c0e77cc3823f34d42e594b094c99763458fc44c94&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1177&height=662

Also why is it 10 encounters, the healing is nice but I already picked up one for 10 per room

No one in their right mind would choose that

[tough vapor]

maybe not for that particular effect, but if im doing an atk build and I get a potent bonus on a 10 encounter timer for smth not meaningful like hit on specials, id SO go for it

[hazy crater]

Yeah all the ones about no arcana cards are really bad, unless you are doing a judgement run or no arcana it's a really bad tradeoff compared to all the other chaos boons. IMO it should just be something like 3-5 random arcana cards have no effect or something

[low bear]

Barren is a ridiculous debuff

[hexed frost]

Who gives the best duo with Hera for the axe

[rugged moon]

Hera/hestia is amazing with charon axe

Otherwise not much, Poseidon is fine tm, demeter is fine tm.

Barren was really fun at low fear but yeah 10 rooms no arcana is too much

I took it once for +4 elements. That was a fun time. But ive seen it offer like 150 hp or something like that once too. Just too dangerous tho

10 rooms gurentees you hit a boss

Great for 55f runs tho

[magic moss]

wait what do you take for hestia on charon?

[rugged moon]

Idk, soot sprint? I dont really. But the duo is nice

And they just asked about what duo is good

[magic moss]

elementary particles got changed to hera legendary

[rugged moon]

I know

[magic moss]

unless you talking about the mana regen dealing dmg

[rugged moon]

500 damage every time you special combo is great is what i meant

[magic moss]

yeah ok fair

[faint spear]

You'd need to be building a certain way to hit 500 per special w/ that boon

It's 150 base

[rugged moon]

Wait it is? I thought it said 500 on the website when looked (am on phone not home)

[wide flicker]

what's a good setup to handle surface F32?

my trusty Axe has been struggling, and might not be up to the task

[dim flame]

does the wide grin hammer for the skull interact with the milinoe aspect at all or am i just going to be using it and not getting any damage bonus's

[magic moss]

ok 51+ fear has gotten so much easier, we are now at 14 51+ fear clears with 3 55F clears already not even a week after patch 5 dropped xdd

[faint spear]

500% of mana consumed, so 5 damage per mana. Blood Line & Controlled Burn could get you to 300 per special, after that it gets trickier.

[tall notch]

Is that just because of Athena? Do people play for stubborn at 51 and above?

I did one clear of Mel coat and left it at that so far

[magic moss]

strength + titan + judgement + athena

[tall notch]

Doesn't strength just turn itself off the moment you get dds?

Or do you not care at that point

[magic moss]

once you lose the dd strength gets active again

[low bear]

Wait what happens if I sell bridal glow does my stuff get derarified?

[tall notch]

But it's judgement, you are not that unlikely to get DDs randomly after one of the bosses

[magic moss]

yeah and one of the hardest parts of old 51+ was erebus since you didnt have strength dr and toula for the extra dd that wasnt refillable

now you play erebus with 40 extra health and mana, a refillable dd, and 50% dr once you lose that refillable dd

[tall notch]

Hmmm, interesting. Might see if Eos can do this at some point, rn I kinda haven't felt like pushing

[magic moss]

eos prob 100% can do it with hecuba + titan for mana so you can start an atk boon

the lack of stalwart is going to hurt a lot, but you can prob cope with divine dash and strength

[tall notch]

Is Hecuba pretty much good enough to ditch picking up unseen?

[left sentinel]

any thoughts on Thanatos axe attack blessing? Not sure it benefits well with Aphrodites distance thing

[magic moss]

i would assume you have enough mana to clear most encounters before you run out since panic isnt a thing anymore

[magic moss]

what do you mean by attack blessing?

[spare kite]

the boon ig

[left sentinel]

yeah which attack boons synergizes well with it

[edgy brook]

Is aspect of nyx good with non percentage increase boons like Poseidon and Hestia? I’m not sure if the split affects them

[spare kite]

aphro's close distance isn't an issue anyways, that part works fine but more often you are better doing hera/apollo even if their % is a bit lower cuz they have better effects

[magic moss]

aphro is fine, but apollo for larger aoe or hera for dmg spread is really strong

[spare kite]

the split missiles don't spread those effects yeah

[left sentinel]

Great, ty! Will try them next

may work on surface tomo to unlock new wep

[spare kite]

I still use blitz special on it tho cuz it has slightly higher base dmg than blitz atk

[steel sequoia]

im not a 50f player but i think static shock is better than any attack boon except hera lmao

[magic moss]

for 50F hera >> apollo > static

[steel sequoia]

my output seems to skyrocket when i get static shock is just dumb

[spare kite]

silly boon

[magic moss]

but apollo its essentially equal to static

[spare kite]

make it prime hp instead

[past salmon]

Yeah
I first tried my Eos 50F and it was pretty bad RNG.

You don't really need a gain until pretty late. Definitely aim to pick one up at the very latest fields tho

[past salmon]

Apollo sucks wym 😭
I think I'd click static over Apollo most of the time lol, static is top 3 boons in the game imo

[magic moss]

fair enough actually, also yeah static top3 boon EASILY

[past salmon]

If I had to do a top 3 boons it's probs Arctic ring/Static shock/umm idk actually lol

Ig Hera Attack but it's weird with attack/special since obvs some weapons don't use attack and/or special

[magic moss]

mine is arctic ring, static shock, and storm ring

[past salmon]

I have a vendetta against storm ring
Also if you group Hera attack and special together they are DEFINITELY better than storm ring

[magic moss]

oh 100% but in isolation storm ring imo is better considering every aspect

[trail python]

what are the best boons for pan special?

[past salmon]

Pos or Scorch ig
Hera or aphro are okay I think

[wide flicker]

How is the new weapon compared to others? Best aspect of it?

[tame spindle]

@past salmon 50F surface yet?

[magic moss]

2 cleared yes

[tame spindle]

oh right i forgot there was a whole doc for it

[tame spindle]

who got it

[magic moss]

Mynt and Foolish

[tame spindle]

oh word

yeah that was exactly what i was expecting

[past salmon]

I actually think it might be easier than I initially thought
It took me like 2 attempts

[tame spindle]

is the new vow better or worse than suffering

[past salmon]

its really cool and I like it just some of the things need changes

but also why remove a vow at all

[paper moon]

Does someone know how exactly Shadow Pounce (Bonus Omega damage for 2 seconds after dashing) works? I want to use it with Xinth and I’m often dashing before firing Omega Special. Does the damage apply at the moment of firing or when the rockets actually hit? Also if I dash again after firing does the bonus damage apply for the rockets already flying to the target?

Would be pretty bad if the bonus damage is gone before the rockets hit

[hexed frost]

Is Hestia the better axe compared tothanatos

[autumn magnet]

hey guys quick question. how does the strength arcana trigger? do i need deaths defiance selected and used for it to trigger or just it will just tigger automatically if i dont select it with deaths defiance arcana

[magic moss]

trigger auto if no dd so no dd arcana means strength active, also strength active if you took both strength and dd arcana but lost all dds

[autumn magnet]

thank you soo much its quite a bit confusing understanding the effects of this arcana

[rugged moon]

By hestia do you mean charon? If so, yes.

[onyx trench]

Today I learned that the transformation hex works on Talon. Makes sense, it’s a mini boss, except so does the Bright Boon when it turns your enemy into a piece of food and auto kills them. So I just cheesed the Talon fight. Hell yeah!

[drowsy coral]

I came back for the update and is it me being rusty or are non Erebus bosses way tankier now?

[low bear]

They feel about the same for me

[drowsy coral]

It is just that I never had fallen against ||Eris|| so I suppose I lacked damage idk

And the 1st one also took a while, didn't remember those blocking obstacles either

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1297400585712173086/image.png?ex=6715c9f4&is=67147874&hm=4e4b285cc27cda0490932b4a1eb474a20e1af0c8665724c3415a4286a8405abd& we need 1 more

[low bear]

where is this sheet btw

trying to start getting back into high fear runs but I've gotta get used to these new vows and changes now lol

[magic moss]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit?usp=sharing

[odd bolt]

zeus + demeter is really good

[tough vapor]

anything yall can think of in h2 that gives the same happy brain chemicals as h1 blade rift of ares

[dusty sapphire]

I've been playing around with the Aspect of Selene for a while and I'm not entirely sure what the best Path of Stars/general build commitments are

I think you want an attack boon (for that one path of stars thing) but the omega attack is generally kind of weird to work with given how slow it is

on the other hand, the omega special doesn't benefit as much from the percentage-based shine bonus because of the small units of individual base damage

[magic moss]

sheet has been updated for today

[glossy rivet]

honeymoon period with coat is over
back to charonaxing

[obtuse dragon]

the sequence of boons i just got could not have been better
attack + special from hephaestus, then bridal glow making both heroic, then burnt offering taking away bridal glow
so now they're permanently heroic

i am going to explode olympus

[hazy crater]

i just started doing a melione xinth run and currently have nimble limbs and rapid frame on top of the aspects bonus for a total of +65% attack speed. I got an opportunity to exchange my epic rarity nova strike with 3 poms (+115% damage) for a heroic posedion attack (40 damage) and I honestly have no idea what to choose

anyone got any thoughts?

[glossy rivet]

does melting strike on coat affect dash strike?

[low bear]

does this work if you sell Bridal Glow too

[half sigil]

What’s the best aspect for daggers? And how to build for it? I’m in the process of unlocking and upgrading every aspects

[obtuse dragon]

i’m going to try to check, as i just got it again lmao

[graceful canopy]

does prom have multiple stages?

or just the jumping off screen thing?

[verbal mantle]

just had a run with pan aspect that killed chronos in like 4 omega specials

so in my professional opinion pan is goated

[gaunt jetty]

fight/3/fight/5/fight

[graceful canopy]

thx. almost beat him on attempt 5. he was like 1 hit. really hate this fight

[half sigil]

And how would you build it

[verbal mantle]

he jumps twice but no reseting healthbars

[tough vapor]

yes afaik

[obtuse dragon]

i do assume it does

[gaunt jetty]

posidon special, zeus chain lightning, artemis arrows, zeus throwcast, zeus cast,hermies faster channel, any appropriate chaos, hammers: straight shot, faster channeling

also icarus explosive omega is crazy

[verbal mantle]

i think zeus special is better actually

but i need to test it with demeter

[gaunt jetty]

I prefer demeter regen also. lets you spam more

[verbal mantle]

nah i was thinking about duo boon with demeter and zeus special

[graceful canopy]

starting another surface run with Melinoe Black Coat. trying to get my first Prom clear. which keepsake should i take first?

[verbal mantle]

blitz has no cd right?

[verbal mantle]

aphrodite and get her attack boon after that the game beats itself

[gaunt jetty]

think so, almost never use blitx

[graceful canopy]

thx, i'll give it a try!

[verbal mantle]

same, always found zeus very bad in both games

[gaunt jetty]

I find the best promethus counter is the time slow hex. get the auto charge, wait for it to charge while dodging, then when he stops, us the hex. also, you can pause and write down the blast pattern btw

[verbal mantle]

XD

[graceful canopy]

oh true lol. i didnt think of that.

[verbal mantle]

actually genius, didnt think about it

[graceful canopy]

i'm dyslexic so i'm like... especially bad at it lol

[gaunt jetty]

I dunno, I think chain lightning is goated in both games, just gotta use it right

Actually I just had a really good blitz build, it was nyx coat with the hammer that gives your attack a chance to spawn your specials. So I focused on atk and atk speed and would trigger the rockets and the blitz

that might be the first time ive used blitz in 180 hours

[verbal mantle]

imagine having plasma to unlock the nyx coat lol

[magic moss]

thats actually kind of funny, I consider zeus as an S tier god with chain lightning easily being top3 boon

[gaunt jetty]

I love zeus as a support god, never main tho

[verbal mantle]

chain lightning is the notable exception, the rest of his perks always felt really underwhelming tho

[gaunt jetty]

eh, im there for chain lighning/ throwcast/storm ring and thats almost it

[verbal mantle]

although i wish for a day when the lightning sprint melinoe coat full speed build to actually do damage

bcs i got to prometheus with it and it almost worked

[faint spear]

If you can get Hera & a good King's Ransom then maybe

[gaunt jetty]

echo double maybe?

[low bear]

Blitz is pretty good though especially in weapons where you get to use both spec and attack

[glad nova]

How does scorch work exactly? I am surprised it still has the same conflicting description

[gaunt jetty]

dot? best use is air quality or 2 status

[low bear]

I'm not sure how good AQ still is with Scorch after it got buffed

[glad nova]

And By that I mean, Why does the description says it gives 80 damage, but the boon itself gives another amount?

[low bear]

the description gives the amount of scorch it applies on an enemy

[gaunt jetty]

man, i remeber melting chro with the combo patch 1, RIP old momus

[low bear]

and then that scorch number rapidly ticks down, damaging the enemy as it does

and if you really wanna scorch build now Freezer Burn is probably better and more consistent

AQ should be bumped down to 4 air imo

[low bear]

Old Momus was just ridiculous LOL

[glad nova]

So, if it gives 40 damage, it means it will full scorch in 0.5 seconds?

[gaunt jetty]

crazy on posidon-zeus-pan

[low bear]

I'm not sure about the exact timing but something like that

[glad nova]

thanks! Also, whats "air quality"?

[low bear]

Air Quality is Zeus's infusion boon, requires 5 air, and makes every dmg you deal at least 30 damage

[gaunt jetty]

scorch doen't do 80 evey sec, it does it in smaller faster tics

[low bear]

yeah it's not 80 dmg/second and more like 25 dmg/0.25 seconds (the latter numbers could be wrong but you get the point)

[gaunt jetty]

wish theyd make a staff aspect for somthing other than Omegas

[low bear]

true the staff aspects are kinda rendudant right now with new Momus seemingly just always being better

[glad nova]

Oh, I see, thanks! I prefer to not go on a purposeful build for a more "pure" roguelike experience. But ill keep it in mind if I try going for higher fear!

[low bear]

I would also love a flick knives equivalent for Staff

[magic moss]

the other staffs have some edge case scenarios that i plan on trying to find the limits on

but geyser spout tidal ring mel staff is genuinely really strong

[gaunt jetty]

huh

[low bear]

I tried playing around with Geyser Mel staff it's okay but seems to struggle for dps

[glad nova]

Although Zeus is in Ephira, so I might as well, lol

[low bear]

Hmm what do you mean by purposeful builds?

[magic moss]

new sorceress makes it crazy with the double channel decrease buffs

so lucid gain + tidal ring + geyser spout means you just run around ocasting

[low bear]

maybe I'll give it a shot again, do you have lightning lance?

[magic moss]

and any hex is a great add on

[gaunt jetty]

yall ever tried double thrasher and hestia recovory?

[low bear]

yes it's pretty much the go to combo for staff

[magic moss]

it was a cook that I never really had the time to try out in patch 4 but mynt recently got a 50F with it and said it was crazy so :)

[low bear]

Other gains would probably struggle to keep up with MIrrored so Warmth Gain is kinda essential imo

[gaunt jetty]

ye

[low bear]

fair but it's Mynt he's pretty crazy good himself LOL

If I didn't have Hestia in my pool or Warmth I would probably take Wicked over Mirrored

[spiral stump]

lightning lance is the loml, wish I came across it more often

[magic moss]

mirrored is so good on staff the play unironically is go hestia keepsake to get her gain even in 50F

[pearl marsh]

Anyone know if, if you sell zeus/hera's duo, do you lose the levels?

[gaunt jetty]

wicked-mirrored-rapid-warmth is basically just a free win

[radiant forum]

quick question. i just got argent skull and i ran a few runs with it. but i cant seem to use it effectively. its so much harder to use than umbral flames or the witch staff.
is there any good boon recommendations/synergies that u guys use on it?

[gaunt jetty]

what i do is just stand in front of my enemies and throw the skulls, essentially juggling them

[radiant forum]

oh i see. i used it like cast from hades 1 so i thought i would just throw it all and fetch it like a ranged weapon lol.

[gaunt jetty]

thats perfectly fine too

[gaunt jetty]

I think the best atk boon for Skull is hera, bc you can hitch multiple enemies at once, and spread the damage easily.

[gaunt jetty]

if you do this, try omega specialling more. your indestructible during the omega i think

[radiant forum]

ooh nice i see. tyty.

im trying to also use the axe but the base form is kinda hard. i reckon the aspect of... the scythe thing is the best one there?

[gaunt jetty]

melenoe for chop builds, than for spin/ attack/ chop build, charon for special builds
don't underestimate charon

[radiant forum]

yea i saw a yt video recommended to me, its kinda crazy.

[gaunt jetty]

one thing I found is that apollo special doen't work with skull special. no expanded reach. makes perseph bad

[glad nova]

summoning a god into the run by using their keepsake, basically. Kills a bit of the fun of discovering builds on their own, imo.

[jovial cove]

is scorch good now

[radiant forum]

one last question tho. for farming mats, what weapon is the easiest to make it "good"? like few boons and its good enough to go through end game.

[gaunt jetty]

no?

[jovial cove]

I was wondering since it wasn't last time I played

[glad nova]

Annnnd I lost, probably do to my own incompetence though. and Talos. Hate him.

[jovial cove]

haven't kept up with all the updates

[glad nova]

Not sure how much air quality was helping, but it was there

[willow phoenix]

As a scorch enjoyer I'm just gonna say always has been

[low bear]

ah that makes sense I don't like looking up builds until I've experimented on my own for a while too

[gaunt jetty]

talos?

[low bear]

but afterwards I like the consistency of using keepsakes when going on high fear runs

[glad nova]

The new miniboss

[low bear]

it's pretty decent now, not a joke like it once was

[glad nova]

Oh yeah, I can imagine. High heat on the first game was too much without any ground of consistency. I Imagine its the same here

[gaunt jetty]

huh, I havent seen that one yet

[low bear]

Dem/Hestia duo is quite strong and probably the strongest build if you want a scorch focused one

[jovial cove]

is scorch good for main attack

[glad nova]

I dont think this question is useful if you dont specify a weapon

[jovial cove]

skull

[gaunt jetty]

I dunno, All the builds I like are complex. try the subreddit I guess? My first clear was with skull, and I think its good for new players. lets you dodge, throw a couple of big attacks quickly, and then dodge again. also, the omega on pickup hammer is v good

[low bear]

It can be decent but you want fast multi hitting attack like dagger or staff

Skull not really no

[jovial cove]

ok ty

[graceful canopy]

i'm tryingto find the most effective boons for Umbral Flames (melinoe), attack and special

[gaunt jetty]

try hera, aphro, apollo, dem maybe others, idk the ones with flat dmg boosts are good

[gaunt jetty]

posidon I think?

[graceful canopy]

i've used him for special, dont remember if i have for attack. i usually rock aphrodite on most attacks if i cant decide

[gaunt jetty]

why would you use aphro unless your melee? do you do melee flames

[gaunt jetty]

normal flames is 20, so a good posidon can triple your atk's dps

[bleak night]

yes lol

[gaunt jetty]

??? non moros

[bleak night]

also I think Hera is just the best choice for Torches in general

like, all 3 of em enjoy Hera attack, no ?

[graceful canopy]

oh nice! i'll grab that one next time. thx

[gaunt jetty]

🙏 he has spoken

[bleak night]

wat

[graceful canopy]

i just realized i rarely use hera...

i'll give that a try, too

[bleak night]

unironically, Hera feels like the best god in the game for offensive purposes

Hitch is just that much better than everything else at higher difficulties, but I do think that Aphro and Apollo scale better against guardians, so the time you save against mob rooms is what her specialty is, if anything

[gaunt jetty]

ooh,a left controller, right mouse enjoyer. I thought of it and tried switching, but it hurt my brain too much

[hazy crater]

personally I dont like hitch, especially on the main attack, since it just doesent do much agaisnt bosses

[gaunt jetty]

free status?

[hazy crater]

wdym?

[bleak night]

True, it's not that strong vs. Bosses, but I do think that it makes 32+ fairly trivial compared to non-Hitch

since the bosses usually aren't the issue in those levels besides Chronos, it's the bs mobs that can RNG screw ya

I find that since bosses are constant, they're kinda alright in that sense

[hazy crater]

hitch is something that I take as a nice bonus, usually what happnes is my build is mostly done and I see that I can put a hitch effect on whatever attack doesnt have anything on it

[gaunt jetty]

after 500 hours with controller, trying to switch made my brain hurt

[hazy crater]

ohhh

i thought you were saying that your setup is holding a controller in your left hand and using a mouse at the same time somehow

which ngl would be pretty rad

[bleak night]

It is lol

That's what I'm doing

[gaunt jetty]

smooth movement and accurate attacks

[hazy crater]

wait is possible?

i assumed that you just couldnt do that

[gaunt jetty]

but being able to dash, attack, specal, and cast at the same time with different buttons was too hard for me

[hazy crater]

I was about ready to try 3d printing+wiring up a custom game controler with an arduino to do that lmao

[gaunt jetty]

yea, just plug in a controler and use it at the same time. I feel like a mouse with side buttons is needed tho

[hazy crater]

I mean my mouse (razer basilisk v3) has a ton of extra buttons

I just tried playing mouse and keyboard today and the first thing I did was bind my cast to a thumb button

might swtich it to a different thumb button or a sideways scroll but idk

[gaunt jetty]

i think mine was l stick for move, l trigger for dash, atk on l click, special on r click, and cast on thumb button

[hazy crater]

my current mouse configuration is:
LMB-attack
RMB- special
thumb button-cast
scroll wheel left-also cast (not sure which i prefer yet)
scroll wheel right-hex

the game doesnt have that many imputs i need easy access too, but I could have 3 more keybidns on the mouse practically. of course this is with a rather pricy gaming mouse.

[gaunt jetty]

sounds cool, I couldn't switch from right hand dash to left hand dash, or it would be my control scheme

[hazy crater]

why cant you switch it?

[gaunt jetty]

brain hurt

[hazy crater]

💔

[sweet terrace]

Have we got a 3rd familier yet?

[hazy crater]

so glad to know that you can use mouse and controller at once. I was this close to putting way too much time and effort to make my own janky version lol

[gaunt jetty]

4

[hazy crater]

yeah we got 2 new ones

[sweet terrace]

Cool

I'll need to explore more

[nimble prism]

Does anyone know any broken builds with the black coat ?

[livid chasm]

I like Hera on the rockets

And I’m pretty much only using nyx aspect

[graceful canopy]

thx for the hera suggestion earlier. combined that w/ the Hex where you basically go invincible super saiyan, i was able to cheese the guessing game and win

suck it, prometheus

[bleak night]

Hera on rockets is funny

[minor fern]

is the pierce and return thing only on the daggers regular special? and since hook knives was removed that kind of build just isn't possible anymore?

[zenith kelp]

wow the skull is so weird

[carmine lagoon]

Yep

[willow phoenix]

Apparently athena keepsake on olympus doesn't guarantee her appearance, sucks a lot since she's already pretty rare there

Athena keepsake as a whole seems pretty buggy rn

Wolf howl build seems like a fun build that you can reliable get and stomp on low fears. I tried it and managed to get it almost active all the time. You have upgrades for double wolf howl, impervious upgrades, damage on jumping. Since it has low cost you can reliable spam it. It has time slow too on cast for aiming. The damage is no joke too, like 400-ish per jump for me that run

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/834700662591586314/1297489771454529547/Chronos_getting_eviscerated.mp4?ex=67161d03&is=6714cb83&hm=9cc7c44228ad7ffe87b94d9305b143029f73f9cc399a04972fb78c28cd815f50& AHAHAHAH

[wild pine]

Try it on melinoe torches. You can spin up some omega specials and keep dropping next to people with wolf howl. Her orbs keep spinning at full speed during the slowdown for massive damage.

[hexed frost]

If I'm reading correctly the axe used to be able to block while charging special attack?

[sour cradle]

Yes, at least the default aspect was. I think others too IIRC

[hexed frost]

Ah thanks. Can imagine how OPnit was

Wonder how taking attack speed hammer would fare on Thanatos.

[safe holly]

What gods/aspect types are strong on staff, black coat and regent skull?

[compact nest]

For skull i only use medea and there are a few options

Zeus attck + Aphro Special is the classic. Double aphro is also good. Double Heph with as many poms as you can get for big dings every 6~ seconds is fun too. Demeter once on either attack/special can replace any of the above for less damage more safety.

Coat is good with a lot of things. Poseidon omega special spam, or baseline with nyx. Posiedon attack with base mel dash attacks. Aphrodite/Apollo/Zeus attack with Selene(start selene keepsake and take the apply ttack boon to your hex damage node). Regular just punch stuff build with Apollo/Aphrodite.

No comments on staff, but i still like the omega cast build with base mel staff for faster charge speed

[bleak night]

I tried a Tidal Ring and Geyser Spout build and it kinda went hard, ngl

[willow phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1297509307901808664/1297510328392876052/image.png?ex=67163028&is=6714dea8&hm=cc91ed0d00af2f7c403c0444986e759c4d65943335700b4027628a4041fa2994&

Yea I'm a dark side believer now, the special deals so much damage. This was with apollo special that was honestly kinda meh as even the dark side special increases in size with his boon, making harder to use. Something like hera on special should be able to absolutely wreck havoc

[glossy rivet]

Why use omegas on nyx coat? Doesnt omega special not benefit from nightspawn?

Wouldn't selene be better for omegas

[drowsy kraken]

One time she didnt show up for a whole reigon so I had to keep it on for the next one 😔 like it says "may appear" I know but surely....

[drowsy kraken]

Pretty sure nightspawn buffs omegas, no?

[willow phoenix]

nope

[compact nest]

oop phrased it wrong. Was saying to spam omegas with posiedon, or baseline with nyx

[drowsy kraken]

Im gonna be honest most mooks are like dead or nearly dead by the time my rockets actually reach the target. I still use special but boy is it slow. I cannot rely on it 🥲

[compact nest]

You can try the thing some people found out last night where you can spam regular special while attacking

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/sLN9_6A1ogZXfOf0D46qEErAkGmVpOVwDDXAnwcQ6Rg/https/i.imgur.com/KMsB3VA.mp4

[drowsy kraken]

Damn. Nice. Feels like youd have to spam it a lot for it to be useful but looks cool

[compact nest]

actually you just turn on autofire in the settings and spam attack while holding special lmao

[safe holly]

black coat is definitely gonna be an entirely different weapon by the time its done being balanced

[drowsy kraken]

KFJDKFJD oh thats much better lmaooo

[glossy rivet]

The wording doesnt include plural on attack and special so i assumed its only base attack

Gonna try exhaust riser poseidon
Mel coat is best for that right? Or does it not affect dash strike?

[bleak night]

Mel Coat bonus is only for punching and running around

[surreal hazel]

Okay, so Shimmering rockets seems to be like Dancing Daggers but waaaay better? Like it seems they can select new targets and home in on them effectively at huge distances

[surreal hazel]

Only attack I think, but extra speed makes you cover more ground with exhaust riser

[past salmon]

Yeh it seems Top 1 hammer atleast for high fear

Just insane room clear

[scarlet wren]

what boon goes best with xinth? ive been using aphros for now dk if thats always a go to

[merry canopy]

I just got a win by using aspect of selene with demeter attack, demeter/zeus duo, zeus sprint, double strike, pos upgrades that give your hex your attack boon as well as tripling the beams and zeus' boon that strikes an enemy with lightning whenever you use mana

Drowns everything in lightning, especially when I use the hex and start sprinting

[drowsy kraken]

Yeah I realised I was thinking of shine

[surreal hazel]

try Nova strike and siege frame together if you can

[surreal hazel]

With Sworn Flourish to make it truly disgusting?

[willow phoenix]

Can anyone confirm if shimmering rockets work with night shade?

[surreal hazel]

might only affect the final bounce, not sure

or spawns once and then the mini rockets do their own thing, not sure if they bounce too? there's a lot that might happen

[past salmon]

Mmm

[surreal hazel]

Huh, I just checked the scripts for how level 6 ranks work, and it's weird

[river wadi]

is it just me, or Charybdis so hard now?

[surreal hazel]

Mel is effectively level 6 Nyx is effectively level 7, Selene is effectively level 8 (like the rest)

[glossy rivet]

athena giving me divine intervention by obliterating the last yipee i was about to kill anyway:

btw does dash strike trigger launcher frame? the hammer which makes specials launch when i hit with attacks (25% chance)

[surreal hazel]

yes, literally have it on screen now to test, and it did

[compact nest]

attackS include dash strike so it should've if it didnt it was a bug lmao

[hexed frost]

Been completely ignoring omega attacks and I feel it's keeping me from playing better/more efficiently

Done maybe 26 nights using the axe and never really used either of the omegas

[analog osprey]

omg 2nd dio meeting, finally

[glossy rivet]

cherished heirloom doesnt work on athenas keepsake, booo

tfw no heroic stalwart stand

[zealous condor]

Oh hecc

Sea star can apply to the 2x centaur hearts/mana jars from ephysus? Noice

[analog osprey]

it should buff the boons she gives to heroic? or is it not working as intended

[glossy rivet]

yeah i mean if rank 3 is purple making it rank4 should be heroic right

[zealous condor]

Does the rare/epic affect gorgon amulet Picking defiance from Athena w/ amulet? Haven’t actually seen either of the DD ones after upgrading it, lol

[glossy rivet]

the keepsake even changed color which i assume means it is possible
keepsakes that cant be heirloomed stay purple iirc

[analog osprey]

basically all the normal god keepsakes

since you can't rarify heroics

[zealous condor]

do not all keepsakes turn red if lvl 3 and you get the keepsake+ boon

[analog osprey]

stuff lke vivid sea can't be t4'd

[spare kite]

God keepsakes minus athena and echo don't have a 4*

[analog osprey]

echo does have a red keepsake: it's a 100% to take another boon, up from purple's 75%

[zealous condor]

Fair, I’m dumb/legendaries are distinct boons anyways

What’s echo?

[spare kite]

Wait what, why did I think echo 3* was 100% already

[analog osprey]

echo's purple keepsake is 75%

[spare kite]

Is lvl 1 25%?

[lost shell]

just unlock black coat

any build recommendation?

[analog osprey]

fandom wiki says 25% chance per tier to take another boon

[zealous condor]

Have a bunch of people seen 2 or even 3 dual boon offerings from the same lineup?

[spare kite]

Got 3 the other day while playing with queen

[analog osprey]

i just saw hera + hestia and hera + heph both offered to me after miniboss

[tawny arrow]

the vow of fangs perk that gives enemies chronos orbs around them is problematic:
enemies in thessaly kept spawning in next to me and their orbs would instantly hit me while i couldn't react

[zealous condor]

…

Apparently chaos egg doesn’t prevent itself from RNG’ing you the same one twice

Kind of wish chaos keepsake let you see chaos choices more often like h1s did :(((

[spare kite]

H1 egg didn't do that

[analog osprey]

didnt h1 egg just prevent chaos gate dmg

[spare kite]

unless you mean you didn't have the hp otherwise w/o it

[spare kite]

And rarity buff but yeah

[analog osprey]

speaking of keepsake interactions: if you take experimental hammer + daedalus anvil, the temporary keepsake hammer is a valid target to remove

[compact nest]

H1 egg was like agod keepsake, it made one spawn ahead and no dmg

Pretty sure it did anyway

[spare kite]

Wrong

[shell sun]

YO I didnt know hermes had a legendary boon

how can i attach something here?

[compact nest]

Upload it somewhere else, then copy paste the link

[spare kite]

Send somewhere else > right click > copy link

Or use imgur/similar img hosting site

[compact nest]

Yeah you are right, guess it was just coincidence it kept spawning in the first room after i did it then lmao

[analog osprey]

question about athena keepsake: does she spawn in very quickly after equipping it if you're valid for it's effect?

[spare kite]

In thessaly I've been getting her constantly on the very first encounter

[analog osprey]

same

[shell sun]

https://imgur.com/a/N9kAr6e Didn't know it existed what?

[compact nest]

always has

You have the fated list so clearly it would've been listed if you looked at the boon list :p

[shell sun]

I just haven't looked into hermes boons in the fated list tbh

[glossy rivet]

Is spamming basic atk/specials with flat dmg boons the best build for nyx coat?

[zealous condor]

Nice to know for sure that yes you can eat all 9 attacks from eris’s shotgun blast if you royally screw up your strafing around this move that’s… honestly free damage

Like I think I’m surprised how fast eris can go down once I know roughly what every attack is

[onyx trench]

Trying to get all the cool story stuff from the new area has made me significantly better at the Eris fight

[zealous condor]

Is it hard to know how much damage you can do and what eris’ invuln thresholds are so you can “””facetank””” the sniper shot attack?

[surreal hazel]

Hrm. Exceptional talent doesn't seem to work on missile salvos, but does on bug punch (but has a visual glitch where you don't graphically see the second punch)

[zealous condor]

Less “know what they are” and more “take a very quick glance at the hp bar and act accordingly”, because even on 2ferocity it still takes like, 4 seconds for this to come out, doesn’t it?

[onyx trench]

Generally my plan into Eris is always stay behind her and that way I’m always prepared for the shotgun. Everything else I can react to. There’s also the plan of shredding her health with Moros and Origination

[thick knoll]

i think i offically had my easiest run against chronos ever

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1237413291119083550/1297543870237769778/image.png?ex=67164f65&is=6714fde5&hm=30ad0b361f08bf295f3375573a0e367e63fdb699fdde99a91efd3d0d88c6e448&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=563&height=437

this one shreddded him

[onyx trench]

Aspect of Selene is so fun

[zealous condor]

Also I’m convinced I would’ve gotten through that rift of Thessaly + eris fight if my strength was upped, 166% to 200% effective health is silly

[onyx trench]

I’m a Hex apologist so having a hex based aspect that kicks butt is so cool

[thick knoll]

this time i got zeus heroic attack got multiple mana regains from boons and arcana (needed that one for prophecy)

and artemis chance for everything critical with demeter cast and the apollo beam at the end did a lot

[onyx trench]

Speaking of critical

Rafi my beloved. He do be pecking. Thank u for free Crits

[thick knoll]

raki works real nice i find

[surreal hazel]

Raw damage birb

none of this support or stat buff stuff, just peck

[thick knoll]

also glorious disater i think worked also well on cast

[onyx trench]

Yeah I like almost all the new changes. I do miss Omega move slowdown and old axe special (rip Charon enjoyers lmao) but everything else is awesome

[surreal hazel]

I like the new shredder as an actual move I can actually damage someone with though

[onyx trench]

Moros is still broken. Got a sub 15 run up top with losing no DDs

[thick knoll]

im waiting for some speedrunner to have a idea for mel aspect for new weapon feel you should be able to get a fast run with it

[onyx trench]

Fair. I miss the block chance for Charon shenanigans and free charge. The only aspect I find myself leaning towards Hecate keepsake for now

[steel sequoia]

its broken for high fear, for low fear i dont think people will even realize or need it tbh

but yeah, the best keepsake

[onyx trench]

DW it still shreds on low fear. I dropped my fear so I could do story stuff faster

[thick knoll]

what do youlike to run on moros?

[steel sequoia]

oh i dont play high fear, but now im using moros for prom fight

[onyx trench]

I meant aspect of moros, but the keepsake is nutty on high heat fear

[steel sequoia]

10s of free damage in prom is nuts

[surreal hazel]

You can take flayed chais curses now, or mained, whichever makes attacks hurt

[onyx trench]

Prometheus hates this one simple trick: slowdown hex

[surreal hazel]

I need to try him with a 40% buff

[thick knoll]

its also one of the few fight where those slow hexes are worth using stands in same spot a lot

[onyx trench]

I have been really enjoying hexes in Olympus

The morph hex trivializes Talos and most encounters

Moon fall is still good as always. No more free invincibility though

[thick knoll]

i haven been liking total eclipse actually if you get demeter cast you can drop it on those more annoying enemies

[onyx trench]

Total eclipse that’s what it’s called. Thank you

[willow phoenix]

I like every hex so far, weakest is probably either moon water or the summon enemies one, but even then they still feel great with selene keepsake

[thick knoll]

i like dropping it on those damn automotans

and prometheus

[onyx trench]

The machine gun automatons remind me of Eris a little too much

[willow phoenix]

I like using lunar ray and deleting chronos in 2 hexes

[thick knoll]

that one has been avoiding me recently

[onyx trench]

Moon Water went from being the best hex to the worst in the span of one patch it’s crazy. I still think the weakest is the Dark Side one, even as it is my favorite

[thick knoll]

though im also running aspect of selene so less chance

[onyx trench]

The only downside to aspect of Selene is that I don’t get to use two hexes

[thick knoll]

moon water has uses but with how much damage we get in olympus i feel there is where it really falls off
also feel those lasers go on for a bit too long and deal too much damage

[thick knoll]

its not with 2 hexes we can get upgrades we need

[onyx trench]

Let me collect the hexes like pokemon SuperGiant

[onyx trench]

Moon Water really suffers from there being not a lot of fountains. The significant decrease in how much health it heals was also brutal, but I imagine it was balanced with the Artemis keepsake in mind. One thing it does have going for it is the money boost it gives, since money is now the best resource on the surface

[thick knoll]

it more or less is though seeing you need moon water and multiple upgrades im still nog biggest fan

[onyx trench]

One balance change I noticed right off the bat was a lot of hexes lost invulnerability upgrades. Total Eclipse doesn’t let you dodge damage for four seconds, and the invulnerability window on wolf howl was lowered quite a bit

Which does help dark side stand out for its extended invulnerability window

[glossy rivet]

p sure i still had a total eclipse with invuln until it drops

[onyx trench]

Hexes have undergone a really cool transformation since launch. I love it! They were my favorite part of the game at launch and seeing them grow has been really enjoyable

[surreal hazel]

You can, but it's sublime now

A significant nerf to it

[onyx trench]

oh I must have missed it on the runs I have done. Time to drop nukes on Olympus

[surreal hazel]

Same as Tenacity on Wolf howl

[onyx trench]

Also SkyFall is the strongest hex for the sole reason that you can get a sublime boon immediately on it by leading with moon beam

[surreal hazel]

Frenzy is now Bright though, and that's occasionally great

[thick knoll]

might also have somethign to do with prometheus attack coul could save them to tankt through some of his special attack

[onyx trench]

Wolf Howl is still funny since I can do it four times for 40 magick if I get enough upgrades

[thick knoll]

thats total eclipse right

[surreal hazel]

No. Skyfall

[onyx trench]

SkyFall is the aspect of Selene hex

[fickle parcel]

Being able to pause during the Prometheus fight to write down my dodging pattern during the memory game is really funny.

[thick knoll]

ah my bad

[zealous condor]

Mmmm

Are % chances in h1 what they say they are on the tin (and by extension, 2)?

[spare kite]

Wdym

[onyx trench]

Oh okay so you can pause during that. I never knew if you could, and I didn’t want it to be a chronos moment where he just says no

[onyx trench]

your name is awesome.

[thick knoll]

what do you think are the best upgrades for skyfall?\

[spare kite]

They already removed chronos's pause, no shot they were adding another lmao

[spare kite]

More dmg for repeated hits/hits 2 more enemies/attack boon

For the normal paths is hits +1 more

[thick knoll]

and take 1 maybe 2 charge per second i take

[zealous condor]

Idk it’s supposed to be a thing that if a game tells you you have a 50% chance of something happening it’s usually like 70 or 80% because people are bad at statistics

And suddenly taking sea star looks like it’s % might be higher than it’s supposed to be on purpose, idk

[onyx trench]

the one where each beam does 50% more every time it hits an opponent. That really should be sublime. You can click the hex and omega attack to hide behind a shield while your opponent eats the full nine plus hits

[zealous condor]

As of idk last 15 years of games coming out (I heard this specifically about xcom, but meh)

[onyx trench]

I think sea star is actually 20% but Poseidon just likes us

[thick knoll]

good one yes i feel the auto charge is real nice though helps in down time like prometheus fight where you need to evade the attacks

[spare kite]

The only difference I can think of is double strike in h1 but that one was bugged to be higher than what it said

outside of that every other % has felt fine
But I get wym about double up lol, that procs a lot

[onyx trench]

speaking of double strike and Zeus boons, something I did like that was carried over was Zeus boon design. There’s still an emphasis on hitting as many lightning bolts as possible, and options like spirit surge + the dash really makes me remember the dash boon runs of H1

[thick knoll]

like i said recently did zeus attack on aspect of selene loved that one think i like it more then hera and apollo on attack

i still wanna try poseidon on it though but doubt feels as good as zeus

[zealous condor]

I got it on the 50 hp in ephyra on back to back runs just now , granted the first sea star was heroic from bridal glow (not that sea stars 20% becomes anything better than 35% at heroic), but still

It looks slightly funny but that’s statistics ig

(Also proccing on the mana or hp in ephyra is slightly crazy/wacky lol, I’m almost surprised it doesn’t just… give you a +25 if it procs instead, but w/e)

[fluid hull]

what are some fun weapon god combos after new update

[zealous condor]

Edit: I was thinking “what if I get the 2/50 and it does proc on the 2x mana as well”
Sea star is rigged
Not that it’ll save me against frenzy1 Prometheus, but still

[bleak night]

Like, on the new weapon ?

[fluid hull]

nah nah just due to slight changes in the existing weapons

and boons did the meta change

[bleak night]

If you have the Athena keepsake, Mental Block is a really fun boon to grab

[fluid hull]

oh I'll try that for sure then

[bleak night]

I've been enjoying the new Axe Special offensively tho gotta say

[onyx trench]

Xinth plus any special bar Aphro, Moros can run literally anything still, and I really like Apollo on Xinth omega. Big attack

hey Mynt! How do you like the axe with the new update

[bleak night]

Hiya. It's nice, I guess. The new special is an offensive tool now

I got some run videos out already if you wanna see how I did them

[onyx trench]

You work fast

[bleak night]

Than was able to handily do 55, which is nice

[onyx trench]

handily

you’re crazy good at this game, you know that? what’s your fear build?

[bleak night]

Like, on 50 ?

because 55 is everything for now, no EM yet for 65

[willow phoenix]

Imo dark side is strong if you can play around the special, the damage output with the boon special and crit special for dark side can get insane.

[onyx trench]

it took three plus years for people to do max heat on Hades 1 and you just casually beat max fear hades 2

[bleak night]

it's easier rn is all, Athena is busted

[onyx trench]

Always has been

I was happy to see stuff like divine dash come back

[fluid hull]

will try thanks

[zealous condor]

Nooooo 😭 I had close call on something like 40/280 hp entering the eris fight and JV3’d it, damn

(Killed eris effectively immediately after proccing it) ok she had like 30% hp left but I’m still slightly Butt hurt about it

[spare kite]

Getting stubborn defiance for basically free does help a lot lmfao

[bleak night]

I've been enjoying Divine Dash a lot. It's really safe

[compact nest]

Cast athena best athena

[zealous condor]

Am I overrating fig leaf?

Kind of sad the rare crop towards the end of ephyra picked cast over attack (anvil ring and not flutter strike? Eww) but whatever

I imagine fig leaf would be a lot less insane if like… it meant your reward was limited to non-boons/hammers or something - skipping up to 3 combats (or the 50% being low enough that you have an ok shot at only doing 2 or sometimes even 1, maybe 25%?)

[glossy rivet]

whats a good atk boon for nyx coat

[zealous condor]

Why would it be any different than usual suspects like aphro or hera? (I like to think most of them tend to be fine most of the time, just preference, but I’m also not a high heat player…)

Larger hit radius w/ Apollo maybe? Idk lol

[steel sequoia]

IMO dont think you need to track atk boon for nyx, not the point of the aspect, you can go anything you want for a good DUO tbh.

[willow phoenix]

I feel like for coat the better question is what isn't good for it lol

[steel sequoia]

selene and mel are better for atk aspects. but if you still wanna focus for Nyx you can just grab hera/apollo and static shock.

[split igloo]

I teared up when I saw Athena for the first time I missed divine dash

[willow phoenix]

Athena shading me with saying 'How did I know' every time I pick divine dash

[safe holly]

Whos better between toula and raki?

[fervent narwhal]

Raki

[willow phoenix]

Raki by a mile

[compact nest]

Toula is the worst pet.

[safe holly]

thought shed be half good considering that she gives a bonus death defiance

[compact nest]

Any conversation of "What is better, toula or X" should be X. Even nothing, because toula prevents you from using strength arcana

[willow phoenix]

Toula is just a fishing bot rn

Bad active, detrimental passive

[compact nest]

Bonus DDs are useless. Mathematically frog gives better returns for everything except a one shot.

Toula gives 40 hp DD once, frinos gives permanent 40hp, divided by 2 for each DD(20) SO 40+60= 100 effective HP.

The niche is in that it helps against instant one shots or massive damage overflow, cause taking 150 damage when you have 30 or 70 is still a death. But by the point you have toula you should already have at least 2 death defiances if not 3 so it doesn't do much

[pure moon]

Concave stone just picked a boon that sacrificed the core of my build and killed my run. PSA, do not equip concave stone if you have hestia in your run.

[fervent narwhal]

A dd is good but as a whole everyone just outperforms her unless you die a lot

[compact nest]

Raki also absolutely busted and pecks for A LOT of damage

[safe holly]

guess ill be sticking with raki then

[compact nest]

Not to mention the innate crit for triple damage + 15% extra crit on an enemy he pecks every 10~ seconds or so

[willow phoenix]

I like hecuba for more magick in super magick heavy builds. The extra mana regen helps a lot too with skipping gain boons

[wild swan]

I started a new save file and was using Raki to farm metal and was like 'what is this, a familiar that actually does noticeable damage???'

[steel sequoia]

would be fun if we could make an immortal build that buffs Raki to win killing everything

[scenic saddle]

what is considered the best weapon+aspect in this patch? I tried the game again last night but the axe is bad now

[willow phoenix]

Try brave face + fixed gain + strength + phoenix skin, literally immortal

[gaunt jetty]

depends what aspect and what build edit: maybe for high heat idk

[scenic saddle]

anything goes, whats the best in general?

[steel sequoia]

we have to wait Mynt-sama to say whats the best weapon

[gaunt jetty]

🙌

[terse horizon]

Hello guys does someone know where i can find the best guide for the current state of the game? I am starting from zero so should be something like a beginners guide.

[scenic saddle]

aight dont help then..

[gaunt jetty]

try the subreddit

[terse horizon]

thanks

[steel sequoia]

idk how moros got nerfed, prolly still the best weapon?

[willow phoenix]

Agree

Probably just less numbers?

[glad nova]

How do I unlock the new pets?

[gaunt jetty]

find in runs

[willow phoenix]

Still feels insane, I blew through Poly with him only getting 1 attack off with just zeus special

[zealous condor]

Why is Danaid dagger only $10 lol
I know you want boons on attack and special but isn’t 200% if no boon for 6 encounters rly good?

[glad nova]

Underworld runs?

[willow phoenix]

Yup

[glad nova]

Ty

Guess I am giving Chronos another punch in his face

[zealous condor]

Hmm

Just realized taking the DD from chaos means I’m losing the -50% damage taken & potentially more important, 25% dealt

Mfw my fine tuning only makes my aspect lvl 5 because I never spent the final 3 nightmare

[compact nest]

Yep, that changed this patch. They are meant to be opposites now, take strength or DD's

[thick knoll]

so question anything that works well with hitch and which boons?

[zealous condor]

This is probably not remotely relevant but it’s kind of interesting that judgement giving both is sorta bad ig

Did they stack somehow before this? I think it was “-30/40/50% damage taken below 30% max hp” but I can’t remember exact wording + couldn’t upgrade it because I had no iron at the time, lol

Damage?

I’d say “engagement ring is good” but they reworked it to stop you from murking almost anything the moment it spawns

Flat 80 damage for anything that spawns is fine, I guess, but ehh

Huh

I think its because I had a high # of floors that weren’t normal encounters or they were like, fountains or minibosses, but my rank 3 fig leaf only procced once in Oceanus lol

[warped harness]

whats wrong with judgement

[spare kite]

Activating eternity and strength

[rugged moon]

Eh, youre pretty happy anyway missing one card is fine

[compact nest]

and the whole "only 3 arcana cards" thing. Its just not a good card to pick

[rugged moon]

The issue with judgement is essentially the power curve of the game. Erebus/ephyra is when the player is weakest and needs the most support

So having little starting cards makes that worse

Judgement then makes you steam roll the late game when you are already at your strongest and have a full build

[compact nest]

IMO it should be a challenge run, not a specific opt in arcana. Arcana should be permanent(as long as you have the card) buff. Something like judgement should be a fear modifier or something.

[analog osprey]

arent vows supposed to be purely negative in effect or something

[rugged moon]

Yes

Judgement doesnt fit as a vow. And arcana being choices is fine imo

[compact nest]

Chaos run then.

But vows also can help. Encounter size gives more gold since more enemies for instance. But for the most part its negative

[analog osprey]

right, was thinking about the old forsaking vow patch note

[rugged moon]

I think judgement is fine as is

It fits perfectly in the design philosophy of arcana of making choices

Its not and never will be “good” but it doesnt have to be

[warped harness]

ah yea

i thought something changed since i took a break

[compact nest]

I mean the upgrade cost changed so technically

[warped harness]

oh

[sour cape]

I see, Strength was kinda too good? 😔

[hexed frost]

What's a good axe non beyblade build with Thanatos

[subtle mist]

can anyone please tell me what is fated intervention i bought it from shop but didnt understand what does it really do

[cursive oyster]

start sworn strike look for rapid slash hell splitter and executioner’s chop, spam m1

[compact nest]

More that it was awkward but strong so now its just opposite of DD

I like it this way, stronger now

[sour cape]

Really? Wasnt it 50% dmg before?

[hexed frost]

Hell splitter is the one that removes the attack string right?

[compact nest]

50% damage, but only below 30% hp

Now its all HP

[sour cape]

Oh true i guess it is always active now...

But dropping below 30 wasnt too difficult

[hexed frost]

Would rather not that lol. Did it with heart lady boon on strike before. Forgot her name

[subtle mist]

can anyone please tell me what is fated intervention i bought it from shop but didnt understand what does it really do

[bleak night]

probably for a story thing down the line

[sour cape]

Oh wow axe special is no longer block?

[bleak night]

yeah lol

still, seems like people are having much more success with it as an offensive tool

[sour cape]

It does look cool

Not sure when youd wanna use the axe special over just swinging though 🤔

[bleak night]

It's 3 hits, so it insta-deletes rebuke hearts on a target, can be instacancelled into dash attack once the animation ends. Pretty useful ngl

[sour cape]

Oh I see triple hit is nice

[bleak night]

they kinda gutted omega special in return

[bright token]

aoe on it is very low though

[bleak night]

for some reason it has this weird half second delay after you use it, you can't move or dash out

[sour cape]

Oh oof poor charon

[bleak night]

it honestly ruins my tempo, and I hate it

[bleak night]

nah Charon is cookin still. I got a 53F win in 14 mins lol

[bleak night]

Not really an AoE tool based on how I was watching Machi play on Mel Axe. He was using it instead of hit 3

it does as much damage as Axe swing 2 with a boon

[steel sequoia]

@bleak night did you tested moros nerf? people were asking which weapon is the best now here

[bleak night]

I still think Moros is really good

Foolish did a 12 min 53F run on it as well

[steel sequoia]

yeah thats what i thought

coat looks funnier than staff now, think they need to rework the staff atk

[zealous condor]

Damb

Boons from last night echo is now a choice, huh?

Was offered duo or legendary lol

[hexed frost]

Which God has the boon on dodge that reflects projectiles?

[bleak night]

staff atk is still pretty viable with the hammers, at least, but it does feel kinda barebones

[magic moss]

they need to buff staff numbers on base 'atk

[bleak night]

I'm 18/18 on UW runs now btw

just did a Mel Axe since my labelled one was for surface

[subtle cape]

I never know what to build on staff unlike everything else

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1297602914839433266/image.png?ex=67168663&is=671534e3&hm=b8b2e342728eb86934356685c102b9985baa74c8925e7ac734c09e9b25a3a948& ik

[steel sequoia]

yeah but it just murders the special version

[bleak night]

oh jeez sorry

[steel sequoia]

why having it if we already have blades and coat?

[magic moss]

XD all good

[bleak night]

did you get the Pan one ?

[steel sequoia]

tbh you can play anything just use static shock and spam basic attack

[vale shard]

this is peak
https://steamusercontent-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2451738894338353731/C3691515343A5EB16D40E2BA7C84DCA430D5D2BC/

hold space build

[subtle cape]

Static shock my beloved

[magic moss]

18:47.61 yes

[bleak night]

ah, gotcha. Yeah, just those 4 for me.

[magic moss]

i need to finish up some work first then ill work on updating the sheet

[steel sequoia]

@bleak night i feel staff need something more like pan

[bleak night]

Thoughts? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/834700662591586314/1297489771454529547/Chronos_getting_eviscerated.mp4?ex=67161d03&is=6714cb83&hm=9cc7c44228ad7ffe87b94d9305b143029f73f9cc399a04972fb78c28cd815f50&

[magic moss]

expect the sheet to be updated and the speedrun leaderboards to be up in like 3-4 hours

[bleak night]

Ah, that'd be neat actually. Maybe the hidden aspect is a special-based one

[magic moss]

i watched your run live, HEAVY METAL?!?!?!?!?!!?!

[compact nest]

Fated intervention is plot, next time you die you'll meet a new guy

[bleak night]

idt this is live

[magic moss]

you could've won with heavy metal mynt

oh its mel axe yeah i watched pan

[bleak night]

Oh, right, that Pan run where they made me run Silken Sash

[magic moss]

Mynt heavy metal would have given you more mana

[bleak night]

[rugged moon]

Mynt "Heavy Metal" Karamell

[bleak night]

😤

[rugged moon]

Being a bully is fun

[sour cape]

Oh no omega moves no longer time slow 💀

[analog osprey]

its on hecate keepsake now

[steel sequoia]

if someone agrees with it please leave a like over there

[magic moss]

its a bit iffy now with sorceress changes to the point where i think mana staff is actually better than manaless

[spare kite]

also the dmg before was only for attack/special/O.cast iirc

now is a global buff

[rugged moon]

Staff feels like its fine, and also black coat isnt really an attack based weapon? i dont think i really agree that 30 mana is clunky at all, the special for coat is amazing. and selene is basicly nothing but omega spam

[bleak night]

Foolish heavily uses Shield Bash on Selene for damage vs bosses and heavy enemies

[rugged moon]

yeah same. i use shield bash and omega cast mainly

except for whatever my current run is doing...

[silent crow]

arent all weps supposed to be attack based

like. the special is usually the sidearm or utility move

[safe holly]

do i want reaper knives or sudden flurry with spiral knives for ||prometheus?||

[rugged moon]

not really imo. it feels like compared to h1 most of the specials feel like just a specialized attack isntead

in h1 a lot of the specials were just big slow moves

[safe holly]

not really if you really build into it special can almost entirely replace your attacks

[bleak night]

Some of the aspects are Special focused

Charon, Pan and Persephone mainly

[safe holly]

medea too tbh

[bleak night]

I wouldn't say it's Special focused, it's a mix of both

Pers, Charon and Pan kinda prefer Special hammers heavily over attack ones, for example

[safe holly]

attacks turn in to a buff for your special when you use it which for me atleast causes me to end up building into special

[bleak night]

Would you prefer Special hammer upgrades or Special boons on Medea or just go Hera/Aphro Attack tho

Because Medea can go Hera attack and no Special and clear 50

The special has a unique feature of blowing up the Attack, fair, but def not a Special aspect

[silent crow]

well yeah but it usually takes too much effort

[silent crow]

i guess

[safe holly]

try smthn like aspect of pan if thats your stance on it

[silent crow]

im saying most of the weps are atk focused

[safe holly]

and i said that if you think that building into special takes too much effort that you should try playing a special focused weapon

[bleak night]

Probs already has. Charon is really popular

[tribal wedge]

How does echos pom work if 2 boons have the same lvl?

[bleak night]

Idk actually, probs picks between

[safe holly]

kinda unrelated but how do you build into charon when i tried it it was awfull

[tribal wedge]

Dem

[bleak night]

Lucid Gain for the most part is all

Like, Apollo first then building the randomizer special can work

[silent crow]

i wonder if ill like charon now that its not superrrr op

[bleak night]

It's an aspect that kinda excels with just the one specific boon and everything else doesnt matter

[safe holly]

so just apollo and whatever i like on attack then?

[tribal wedge]

How does Apollo do on xinth?

[bleak night]

I sometimes forget the attack button exists on that weapon

[silent crow]

pretty Solid

apollo is the most pretty Solid god

[bleak night]

Like, I just spam Omega Special on my casts

[south junco]

Is aspect of Nyx's special better with zeus or poseidon on it?

[silent crow]

zeus

[south junco]

ok ty

[bleak night]

Go Zeus for static shock and Blitz while punching with Hera or Aphro

[tribal wedge]

Always zeus

Zeus is so busted

[south junco]

eh I don't like the coat's melee attack

so that's why I'm asking about the special

[tribal wedge]

He just feeds into him self more and more

[south junco]

yeah I think with Nyx's aspectit zeus special will be pretty great

[bleak night]

The highest fear win on it is Hera special spam if anything

[south junco]

yeah they auto aim so Hera has a field day there, I gotta try her out next

[bleak night]

Not on Nyx specifically, but all 3 aspects have the same special speed anyway

[amber dagger]

Are there any cheese builds for eres I’m still stuck on her :
T_T

[south junco]

i just leveled up nyx first so I wanna use her

[south junco]

Hestia dash lets you run into her attacks basically

[amber dagger]

K I find the surface to be a pain

[south junco]

its harder compared to underground but it lets you choose your build so there's that

[amber dagger]

Wdym chose your build?

[south junco]

because in the city of ephyra you can pick which rewards you want to get, which lets you build into the boons you want

[amber dagger]

Oh yeah true I wanna try a skull build

[south junco]

idk I mostly use torches cause i love them

[amber dagger]

I use the knife with pan aspect

[safe holly]

medea with demeter / zeus attack and aphrodite special is pretty good

[amber dagger]

Cool I’ll try it

[safe holly]

kinda unrelated but next time you see it on hammer try flick knives

its suprisingly really good

[amber dagger]

K I haven’t played since pre patch 1 so idk what it does but cool

[safe holly]

in that case beware that they changed a decent bit when it comes to asepct of pan

[amber dagger]

Is it still busted ?

[rugged moon]

imo pan went from f tier to a-/b+

[amber dagger]

Hot take

But respect

[rugged moon]

(this being from someone who mostly playing 50f) Pan was baddddd. the special was just absurdly weak

[cursive oyster]

pan was garbage at 50 last patch so

[steel sequoia]

idk honestly didnt tried, but i cant really see a momus being better than spamming statick shock aoe

[amber dagger]

I don’t play fear so