h2-builds-and-combat

[desert mist]

Ah right she doesn't have any attack or special boosting ones right? Mostly support? Forgot about that

[umbral moat]

i have an ignium build which I think can be very strong

You get the one boon where you create a rift whenever you use magick

And then you get the boon which gives you mana whenever you attack

unlimited power.. need to test it out

[distant root]

anyone got xinth builds?

[desert mist]

do the demeter curse boons no longer give you the origination buff?

[spare kite]

Origination is specifically curses from 2 different gods now

[desert mist]

ahhh

[steel sequoia]

im not ready for 24 fear blackcoat lmao

[desert mist]

can athena not spawn again if you already got her boon?

[steel sequoia]

i think its a one time only

[zealous condor]

Holy crap I think promotheus might be cooked but this feels like a weird run

60% of not using grasp, got festive mirth (?) on 120/180 hp w/ 1 DD left, next floor mini boss seeing talos for the first time murks me, then phoenix skin and now Athena replenished my DDs lol

[steel sequoia]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1296958935600857218/20241018190950_1.jpg?ex=67142ea2&is=6712dd22&hm=9a41a3ae5d48d8eb5953aa049530c471a463ce3030db47c2a1bcd244a8535e4e& is this a good fear settup for manaless coat?

[zealous condor]

It’s cool that testament of void was split up but… doesn’t that just mean 60% judgement is free?

[timber pawn]

Someone has done 53f (granted they have also done 55f, but that aside) and used judgment. I wouldn't call it free but it is funny that judgment is optimal at 53f

[lofty anchor]

Was Soot Sprint changed in the last patch to sometimes not work on Eris' attacks? Or is it buggy now? Or maybe it's an issue with Xinth only?

I'm dashing around and I have the flame effect on Melinoe's head, but I'm still getting hit sometimes by her shots.

[timber pawn]

It's always been a tad inconsistent

[lofty anchor]

Never noticed it bad like this. Every other attack pattern she's putting out is hitting me, and I built around tanking her shots this way so this will be a failed run shortly.

[low bear]

Wait how do ypu get prestige

[timber pawn]

That's fair, it was definitely not intentionally changed

[low bear]

I realize I'm at 0 still after spending all of the initial ones

[desert mist]

recycle old materials at the broker

[lofty anchor]

Shame. I had 4 cast boons and was wrecking everything up to this point. Thought I might have a chance against Prometheus this time

[lament spruce]

So I noticed that between the Melinoe Staff and The Sorceress, I can fire off Omega Specials extremely quickly. What's the best Special Boon to put on it?

[zealous condor]

I mean is that… that funny?

Idk
Like I thought provided you can consistently survive the first 2 areas, isn’t fully upgraded judgement nearly better than full grasp?

[potent moth]

absolutely broken Prometheus Melter:
Black Coat - Aphrodite atk, Zeus prime for more bolts, and the hammer upgrade that gets you +3 hits on your dash strike, pom aphro a few times and boom he's dead

[timber pawn]

It really depends on context but generally no because of how late you get 'full arcana'

[zealous condor]

Yeah the timer makes it questionable, true

[timber pawn]

You're weakening the earlier parts of your run which are generally harder as is for a potentially better back end which is usually when you're strongest

[zealous condor]

And having 0 boosts to boom chances, refills or anything lol

[timber pawn]

But at 53f you don't really have anything to lose

[zealous condor]

Rerolls*

[potent moth]

yeah - i posted one in victory boasting and it absolutely obliterated everything in my path

[zealous condor]

I mean

You can leave grasp fully unupped, just unlock and boost everything and just play with judgement

[unique perch]

So is Selene's aspect for the jetback any good. if felt all right till bosses

[steel sequoia]

i didnt make it work properly but looks good in theory

[fervent narwhal]

@unique perch its the best one imo

[steel sequoia]

i think with the right hammers the mel is better than manaless staffs

[unique perch]

Full Eclipes seems better

[low bear]

Ah thanks so I can just buy everything lpl

[low bear]

It's quite good especially with upgrades

You have to build around getting your hex up asap though

[steel sequoia]

yeah i feel you need to get selene keepsake to make it work properly

[desert mist]

so start with Selene's keepsake?

[steel sequoia]

no

[low bear]

And you should either start or use Selene keepsake at some point

[steel sequoia]

start building hex up i believe

[low bear]

Usually yes selene keepsake is very powerful

[steel sequoia]

5 points worth the start? i cant really say

[low bear]

You also want things like Bloodline/Weed Killer/Controlled Burn to up your mana consumption, maybe Zeus sprint would be good too

[magic moss]

51+ has gotten so much easier its not even funny https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1296965094281842739/image.png?ex=6714345e&is=6712e2de&hm=045ad472eca4166cb0d261637c42eeb86e8b9e78abdb8a4fb01159ee092169bc&

[fervent narwhal]

I use her keepsake in the second region, i really want my Aphrodite attack

[steel sequoia]

pos sprint should be nice

[low bear]

I guess but I don't like it knocking foes away

[steel sequoia]

you suppose to kill them

think if you have pos sprint and hera ring its free rooms

[low bear]

And Zeus sprint just happens while you're sprinting, you don't intentionally try to use it

Maybe, haven't used Pos sprint in a while

[timber pawn]

Ya. Mynt was keeping me up to date. I guess fig has pretty big implications for fear too huh, since rooms are way deadlier than bosses generally

[steel sequoia]

i want to test later if Nyx works good with any sprint

[timber pawn]

Love the sheet formatting btw great job

[low bear]

Fang will prolly get nerfed

[steel sequoia]

lion fang?

[lament spoke]

no...

[low bear]

The Vow for armored enemies

[lament spoke]

it's literally currently Only worth taking in t- OH

[steel sequoia]

ohhhh allright

[magic moss]

a lot of the UI elements are from Mynt

[steel sequoia]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1296958935600857218/20241018190950_1.jpg?ex=67142ea2&is=6712dd22&hm=9a41a3ae5d48d8eb5953aa049530c471a463ce3030db47c2a1bcd244a8535e4e& so i shouldnt try this? lmao

[magic moss]

so essentially all of the icons are from him lmao

[magic moss]

NEVER TAKE FANGS

[low bear]

You can but there are easier arrangements out there

[steel sequoia]

what do i get?

[low bear]

Fang is rindonkulus

[magic moss]

as it currently stands fangs should really be taken to hit 50, its such a difficult vow for no real reason

[loud ice]

Yo what the play on Arcana builds for Xinth
Specifically using the base one to get a feel for the weapon without any added stuff but dont get enough of what the deal is with it to know what to take

[magic moss]

denial + return2

[steel sequoia]

okie ty

[magic moss]

btw sheet has been updated for today

[low bear]

Return is so much more mangeable without infinite spawn

And increased pickup radius

[steel sequoia]

i need the Vercel crossroads wiki i miss it so much rn

[low bear]

Also why did they renane Double Up, it was the perfect name imo lol

[magic moss]

dude same

[steel sequoia]

wow it makes 23 fear that dont work

[cyan rock]

after the usual rerolls and death defiance's just take origination and the health cards since your melee mostly and i personally round out with the increased attack and special damage when you dont have 100% mana

[magic moss]

i completely missed scars take scars1

[fervent narwhal]

@low bear the name is whatever, the bad thing is that they added more voicelines to it

[low bear]

You can probably take 1 scar/grit/pain

[low bear]

Ah damn nooo

Haha no

[fervent narwhal]

HAHA, YES!

(even told them to not add more in feedback but oh well)

[cyan rock]

does anyone else find Xinth to be rather hammer dependent compared to the other weapons?
or is that just me?

like some hammers really make it pop off but without those it feels a bit meh to me at least

[steel sequoia]

i feel its fine

[low bear]

I only really enjoy Selene so nah I think it's fine

[wind hawk]

what gain boons would you use with black coat selene aspect?

[cyan rock]

whats the basic build you are going for?
the closest i can find with the base aspect is a dash strike build with possidon

[steel sequoia]

i feel its a zeus/hera/hestia need

[wind hawk]

details, i have medea's boon that gives 5 max magick per encounter, so i'm going for zeus gain (restore all magick every 10s)

[cyan rock]

personally i like hestia special and demeter attack then go for the duo and the moon ability that puts ice on the moon.

[steel sequoia]

ill give it a shot sometime for pos sprint for selene coat, problem is i have to get a good regen

[cyan rock]

oh yah i def like that aspect i just meant for the other 2 more vanila ones.

[steel sequoia]

i feel nyx is the weirdo, the other 2 are good in their way

[cyan rock]

oh what is the default build for melenoe then?
i just dont see it for some reason

[steel sequoia]

i just do hera ring and zeus static shock, the rest is pretty much irrelevant imo

but i dont play 50f tho, not that good

[low bear]

Nyx is definitely weird I don't like it so far, could use a rework

[steel sequoia]

sometimes i think mel is too fast running but i might get used to it

[unique perch]

I want Nyx thing but i cant role chaos at all

[ripe patio]

anyone got any fun nyx builds

[calm arch]

am i insane for thinking that the higher fear you go the more it makes sense to delete eternity and use strength

[fervent narwhal]

strenght is always fun

[wind hawk]

i was wrong about selene! it's quite good

[lament spoke]

strength might become my new fave

[fervent narwhal]

It already is mine

[acoustic garden]

what happens if I take Finality and Servitude when upgrading the Hex that ressurects a monster? One makes it last forever, the other makes it detonate when it expires for a ton of damage?

[fervent narwhal]

Those existing together sounds like a bug tbh

[spare kite]

Does expire also count if they die?

[acoustic garden]

I haven't a clue.

[wind kettle]

sup, just came back for the olympus update, whats a strong build for axe? did 45+ fear runs a few patches ago

[acoustic garden]

I will take it for science

[fervent narwhal]

@wind kettle not much changed for axe i believe except the special being reworked

[steel sequoia]

a lot changed, there is no block anymore

[wind kettle]

any fun builds with the reworked special?

[cyan rock]

im pretty sure that at really high heat disabling most cards and going strength judgement will be metta

[magic moss]

most likely yeah, i think fangs is way too brutal as it currently stands especially for surface

at 51+ it already is meta because its just the only way to do things and its stupidly broken compared to old 51+

[muted plover]

Does +##% damage to attacks help with omega attacks too?

[spare kite]

If the buff says attacks then yeah
If it says attack then no

[muted plover]

So chaos boon looks like a yes then

[tribal wedge]

Bruh I'm barely scraping by on 16fear

[cyan rock]

yah best i managed last patch was 32 fear and only with the broken heartbreaker build that was just nerfed so not sure that will work anymore this patch.

[tribal wedge]

Idk know how you even begin to tackle anything past 20 fear

[lament spoke]

i haven't played in ages and i need to do 32 fear for the statues. weeps

[cyan rock]

there are good guides out there for it. but it basically comes down to having a build in mind and knowing which fear impact that build the least.

so like a build with rapid hits will take very different fears from one with slow big hits.

[magic moss]

well i have a billion vods and stats for you to check out so theres that

[tribal wedge]

Oh you got a twitch/youtube?

[magic moss]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit?usp=sharing

[steel sequoia]

allright ive done my 24fear thanks for the tip for not taking fangs

[hexed frost]

What's the best boon for axe normal attack early game

[worthy epoch]

hera is usually the best option, if you are playing with no wards then aphro is also very good imo

[cyan rock]

aphro is best DPS vs bosses
hera is best DPS vs mobs due to hitch
apalo is just fun because it basically hits the whole room at once!

once you are out of early game though i personally think hera becomes stand out best as long as your running origination.

[past salmon]

Btw Red current 55F is easier than old 51F if you want to go for it 😭

[worthy epoch]

dude ive played 2 runs in the last month 😭 im so washed right now

also why did they ruin my glorious pookie axe special

[past salmon]

Can't be carried by frame 1 block anymore
L

[worthy epoch]

noooooooooo i neeeeed ittttt

[past salmon]

They buffed Medea which is

[worthy epoch]

running 50s with than to get my mojo back rn, also what the heck medea was alr kind of nuts

happy we got special elites but am missing suffering too btw

[past salmon]

Yeah
My thoughts on the patch are in the description of the 55F vod I put out yesterday

Overall pretty unhappy high fear wise

New content is cool tho

[worthy epoch]

was hoping for higher than 55 with this patch

[past salmon]

So was I
Don't know why they removed suffering, just make max fear go up to 100 idc

That would be fire

55F was so underwhelming 😭
Like actually trivial compared to pre-patch

[cyan rock]

honestly i have been thinking since start of early access that they are intentionally keeping the max heat low.

[worthy epoch]

maybe ill give it a try later today or something but i needa clear 50f than before then at least

in my first attempt this patch rn

[cyan rock]

i dont have evidence but they know high heat hades is a major component.
i think they will have a release with special content for high heat players.

[past salmon]

Also they made 55F RNG worse somehow 😭
Now Hermes can eat your first god boon for some reason ??? And also Athena RNG is a factor now

Like it's way easier but now you can be forced reset from missing more RNG checks so it's cringe

[worthy epoch]

ok so for athena im assuming you just pray for stubborn? what else has worked for you, i grabbed the cast deflect in some test runs and it was okay

[past salmon]

It's just stubborn yeah
Just reset if you don't get it imo it's 900x better than anything else

[worthy epoch]

yeah the other stuff seemed underwhelming by comparison, so for underworld when does athena show up? ive only played up twice so far

[spare kite]

She shows up artemis style on olympus, you need her keepsake for her to appear anywhere else

[magic moss]

does stubborn defiance work with strength?

[past salmon]

If you lose the defiance yeah
Lol

[past salmon]

Just from her keepsake

[worthy epoch]

OMG i never grabbed her keepsake LOL

ok i guess ill go grab her keepsake after my current run then try a couple 55fs or somethin

[nova dune]

What are you guys building on coat ? i am getting apho on attack most of the time, but still not sure if it ideal

[low bear]

Aphro is fine I prefer Hera usually, but that's because I also want Bloodline on Selene Aspect

so Stubborn + Pin is kinda like 2 DDs per room huh lol

[cyan rock]

the only 2 builds i have found that seem really fun so far are dash strike with posidon attack and on the selene aspect i go ice attack with scorch special and look for their duo.
anything else i personally would rather be using another weapon to do the same thing but better.

[bleak night]

play , I think I left the moment you got active, I wanna see more runners

[worthy epoch]

mynt ur actually my hero and yes i started as soon as you left then left when you returned

[bleak night]

bro is avoiding me 💀

But, yeah. Axe is very nice to use rn in 51+, give it a go

[worthy epoch]

yeah just gotta get my mechanics back up and relearn chronos with no block crutch

[magic moss]

yo what am i even supposed to do against prometheus's homing fire kick things

[bleak night]

You can deflect

[magic moss]

other than that or is athena just mandatory for high fear surface

[bleak night]

Deflect is just that good

[cyan rock]

i mean if ur playing new coat pretty sure you can block with omega attack but i have no idea how viable that weapon is at high heat

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230649734008672347/1297016011568054312/image.png?ex=671463ca&is=6713124a&hm=022fccb83f32bb835f673157f9ece7d92c7f754901731194d8ca6f5014507503& ty circe

[past salmon]

Run away

Keeping distance sometimes seems good

[magic moss]

ive tried and it just travels too fast and the homing is faster than my dash

oh yeah how do you get multiple athena boons?

[spare kite]

Keepsake rank up mid run I assume?

[past salmon]

Boon boon boon/concave stone ig in Olympus/ surface you can see twice ei think?

Keepsake rank up could work yeh

[magic moss]

ok so finally beat prom once and holy hell that fight is just not it

[steel sequoia]

i have athena KS lvl 3 and i never saw her twice, maybe bc i have full DDs? its not worth to carry it the entire run if im getting beat too

[spare kite]

need to be at 0 dds for her to show up

[steel sequoia]

i think odds are connected to DD, cant say how it works but i dont think getting her twice worth staying with the KS

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230649734008672347/1297023457762213908/image.png?ex=67146ab9&is=67131939&hm=b52ec0b31f31b4fc11f2c73cea12593f8e2a957ce0cb50a2586b90637c20e7a9&

[steel sequoia]

i mean unless its a gimmick thing for youtube or something i wouldnt stick with her keepsake and 0 DDs

[spare kite]

use the strength arcana instead of dds

is actually fun being at 50% dmg reduction all run

[past salmon]

Strength is a fairly viable alternative to eternity

[steel sequoia]

for sure, but that doesnt mean you mandatory playing athena keepsake almost an entire run

can dmg be denied with like flood control or something?

[bleak night]

what I hate about Strength is I can't full send on Chronos phase 2 when he does the instakill without sweating

Like, if I miss that instakill dodge I just lose

also, the 50+ fear clear sheet is funny because it's got no Toula anymore

it'll be mostly Frinos and Hecuba now

[visual moat]

I keep losing to redacted on the surface because of the first phase pattern thing i can't remember it in time and so I keep losing my health to that any tips

[bleak night]

instead of remembering, say the numbers or names of the lanes out loud

I use 1-3, then I repeat them to myself so I know where the safe zones are

when you try to remember internally, it can kinda just disappear in a snap when you panic a lil, but for some reason when you say it out loud and repeat, you just remember

[magic moss]

xdd

[spare kite]

record it, and I wish I was joking

[bleak night]

huh? This is that fire lane thing, no ?

[spare kite]

I record the patterns then just pause so I can be sure I'm positioned right lmfao

I don't trust myself

[visual moat]

Yes its the fire lane thing I play this game mindless and just attack and use the tactics I used from the previous game but its not working for the paths thing because my brain be like "I forgor 💀" and so I get 150 damage and lose all my death defiances on the first phase. And also he's a tank. Anything else i can avoid but that attack

[steel sequoia]

yall need to play memory games, i got used to it real quickly

[spare kite]

no thanks, is funnier my method

[steel sequoia]

i find the 5 pattern easier than the 3rd bc the 5th you have two free safe spots in the end

[low bear]

what you do is count the safe lanes

[steel sequoia]

its basically a combination sequence of mid/top/mid or something like this

[low bear]

I just go like "12132"

and I pick closer lanes if possible

[past salmon]

magick 55F is gonna be rough since 30 max hp and no stubborn
No suffering tho so 1 max hp would go a long way

[low bear]

it was cool at first but now it's kind of just tedious

[bleak night]

You gotta adapt is all, I suppose. Like, Souls bosses have their own attack patterns that you need to get down pat for battle prep. Think of it as that, the fire lane thing is Prome's bs move

[past salmon]

bro yall need to do some memory excercises omg
It is not that hard to remember a sequence of 3-5 things 😭

[bleak night]

ye I'm just going to do the magick weaps at 53 first

[steel sequoia]

yeah, i feel its easier to adapt than people who were used to timeslow and dont have it anymore

[low bear]

fighting ads while he's doing the fire lane thing is cancer though lol

they should have made it so that the fire lane also did friendly fire

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230649734008672347/1297026897154150450/Hades_II_2024.10.18_-_23.15.02.02.mp4?ex=67146ded&is=67131c6d&hm=0b23bb93b9710b6902e0fb6a3c6dcd440dd4a1cc06ad287ae371ba3a02606959& tbf I got distracted cuz I decided that attacking the add was clearly the move here

[steel sequoia]

the most annoying thing i got so far is armored talos puppies in the boats, damn that is annoying there is not enough space to run or hide

[spare kite]

I was by like the 3rd pattern, focused a bit too hard on the harpie then went, wait

[bleak night]

also @past salmon , I had like a 9:30 min Fields exit on 53F Moros, right? I really wanted to get like a sub 13 min run in or something, so I went Fig Leaf, lost 1 dd, then I went to Chronos and did the fight pretty well. Then I full sent on phase 2 and lost about 200 HP trying to kill him asap and died, with him at maybe 10% HP with timer at 11:57 or something

[past salmon]

goofy

[low bear]

bruh the Sniper Baby Talos are actually deadly as f

[bleak night]

I really wanted that quick win, guess I'll settle for 18:50

[past salmon]

this guy "I dont have much time to play today"
also this guy "so I played for 6 hours"
😭

[bleak night]

I had no attack boon the whole time and Daneid dagger didn't show up once, so the 18:50 feels fine

[bleak night]

it was more like 3, also cant really play today, I can watch in a bit tho

[trim shoal]

@magic moss has the 50F resource sheet been updated for the new update?

[steel sequoia]

my hand is hurt so i played like around 6 hours

[past salmon]

probs not, best strats havent been figured out yet
I should send Mini my Selene Arcana tho

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1297027944492830842/image.png?ex=67146ee7&is=67131d67&hm=45da52191c5650e5a67bf64487ebb248cf0e6b682e962f2f6783edce208fdd84& bro does not read the intro

[bleak night]

sadly no

[trim shoal]

i might be kinda stupid

[bleak night]

if you need any Arcana setup or anything though, you can just plop the question here

[magic moss]

next week is when i hope to get it updated

[visual moat]

To get all the statues its 32 fear right

[past salmon]

we gonna start full guide next week mayhaps?

[magic moss]

was planning to yeah

[visual moat]

Or is it 50

[bleak night]

32

[magic moss]

imagine it was 50 LMFAO

[visual moat]

I need to fully complete this game but damn it a lot harder than hades where it was laughably easy

[bleak night]

[bleak night]

if you need tips, we can VC or smth

[visual moat]

I need to go to bed as I have work in the morning so maybe later I very much appreciate the help

[bleak night]

sure np

[trim shoal]

gonna do some runs now, still figuring out how to play without block

[magic moss]

prio list for me rn is

1. Update all the actual resource pages (ie. Arcana descriptions, Keepsake Descriptions, Vows, etc)
2. Update the explanations on what to take
3. Make recommended arcana pages

[steel sequoia]

if a granny like me made the 24f blackcoat than just believe in yourselves and after a couple deaths yall gonna do it

i miss https://hades2-crossroads.vercel.app/ so much

[bleak night]

prio list for me is: waiting for 6 hidden aspects so I can see which one I suck at the most

[steel sequoia]

u cant suck Mynt ur too good

[bleak night]

you should watch me play Gilgamesh in Hades 1, the worst gameplay you will ever see in your life

[violet temple]

just got my butt kicked by prometheus because he kept running to me while charging up special for charon 💀

[bleak night]

o right, Casts just dont stop him lol

[steel sequoia]

been there

[bleak night]

I think Prome has the same HP as Chronos or something

[steel sequoia]

i was one of the fews visionaries that didnt played slowmo

[spare kite]

First phase or 2nd

[bleak night]

I'd say it feels like both

Like, it feels like his HP is 1.5 Cerbs

it feels like a boss powercreep because this dude is running through my cast to punch me

[steel sequoia]

to be fair, i think the game content will have another chronos endgame than the erebus one, so makes sense prom and him has the same HP for now. im thinking in like 2 more worlds for erebus and 1 for ephyra

[bleak night]

Chronos and Cerb's lunge moves get stopped by cast, but this dude is sauntering through just to let me taste the cuisine his fire brought to mankind made

[spare kite]

Should have chosen your human side eagle noises

[bleak night]

"This is what the mortals call, a 'knuckle sandwich', I hope it is to your liking."

[past salmon]

fellas I swear they made Hecate triple divide more

she just keeps doing it
She wont stop
Its like 10 times a fight
just let me hit you please

[bleak night]

Yeah, feels like she does it way more

There's also a bug where if Chronos does his time slow thingie, you can't get your Omega Special off on Axe

[worthy epoch]

right now, is the method for 55f picking an attacking boon in erebus then athena in oceanus? just got the athena keepsake and am thinking how to use it and choosing frinos instead of toula

[bleak night]

nah you run Athena first

[past salmon]

Athena in Erebus is just smarter

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1240087136531648534/1297032248167764040/Axe_Charon_53F_-_Trim.mp4?ex=671472e9&is=67132169&hm=f6e43d3bbc57b6bb0627954388e5cb331dec6fef206c06143b5a0c99fdf8f7f9&

[past salmon]

just RNG attack boon
U dont want to try ur ass off in Erebus just to not get offered stubborn in Oceanus

[bleak night]

I think this is a bug? Like, it doesn't let me get the Omega Special off

[past salmon]

are you holding the whole time?
The slowdown felt stronger this patch I will say

[worthy epoch]

ok gotcha, sucks for more rng but understandable

[bleak night]

yeah, I was

[past salmon]

bugged then ig

[jovial cove]

how deep down can athena go?

can you find her in the fields/tartarus?

[spare kite]

Yeah, buuut fields is fields (aka, weird) and she doesn't show up, will still consume the charge tho

She can probably show up on the miniboss just fine

[vital ledge]

could it be that the new weapon is a little stronger than the rest? punch punch punch with aphro on the attack and things melt

[jovial cove]

possibly

I could see the dash attack getting nerfed

[past salmon]

omg
I just got the slicer fang for the first time and I wish I didnt
They gave spindle attack as a fang 😭 @bleak night

[bleak night]

Ye I only saw that once ever

[spare kite]

Which enemy was the lucky ine

[past salmon]

saw it on a rootguythingy

[spare kite]

Also is the spindle version or wet spindle

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1297035570870226984/image.png?ex=67147601&is=67132481&hm=5b27e8edba0c0912ef38e40ae640cf69f92e4d0d9c9d3c74b153402a9c61b31d&
my and my stubborn defiance were really looking for a useless kiss of styx thank you game

[bleak night]

I think it just shows up if you have a defiance use recorded, doesn't matter if it's Stubborn. Maybe worth an F10 ?

[spare kite]

Imagine if the dd refill trick worked again lmao

[bleak night]

I had full DDs and that showed up, thought I could get an extra, so I sold a meh boon and got to 360, then I tried buying it and it wouldn't let me. Kinda a mistake

[past salmon]

idk if it does and I cant test

[bleak night]

I tested, can attest that it doesn't work

[past salmon]

Did you?
Like lose the stubborn and refill

[bleak night]

I lost the stubborn to Scylla, but since the shop is after that room, it grew back

[past salmon]

yeh old stubborn defiance extra DD cheese in H1 worked by having an empty stubborn and then refilling, thats what I want to test

[bleak night]

I also did a thing where I took Tooth for Oceanus since I didn't have any dds. I lost that Tooth dd to Scylla, right? Went to the waystation, swapped my keepsake to Pin (because I got Eternity from judgment), and checked the well. Still had a Kiss of Styx that I tried to buy, but was not allowed to

I might have footage of it, lemme check

@past salmon start at 13:20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KJnWJ9a9HY&ab_channel=Myntkaramell

Just doesn't let me buy

[gloomy patio]

Is there a good strat for Eris? I can beat Chronos relatively consistently but with Eris I can never survive her shotgun phase

[bleak night]

the purple shot ?

[gloomy patio]

no, the spread

[bleak night]

ah, you gotta stay behind her when she does that

dash through her the moment she starts veering towards your direction

Like, sticking to her back is generally the best way to deal with her, since her main shtick is her turnrate is bad

[gloomy patio]

she barely has any startup with it

[bleak night]

Good idea in general to stay behind her at all times save when she has a grenade up in the air

I think she does too much damage for a 2nd boss, really

[main beacon]

speed boost from black coat + speed boost from hermes made me flubb my timing so bad that i got hit by chronos mega area insta kill. i ran out of the circle with my reflex timing and i got waayyy further ahead than expected...watch out

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1297044327406506045/image.png?ex=67147e29&is=67132ca9&hm=ea830cf4186be5d98724b604d17116d4a94a4a6e9a3e43713f47acd7d0ebc25e& stats 48 hours after patch release, already seeing dominance from 2 boons in particular once again

Also, any early predictions on what the familiar distribution is going to look like? Will Toula ever see play? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1297045100345688104/image.png?ex=67147ee1&is=67132d61&hm=420626317c1551489a95df6cb3017d4a18926312e7261acfef1892857b345ef7&

[sturdy trail]

Are hexes bugged? Ive only see the same 3 types over 5 different runs

[bleak night]

Sworn Strike and Arctic Ring

[bleak night]

Might just be your luck, honestly. I keep never finding what I want, meanwhile. It keeps shifting

[hazy crane]

I'm not taking this, but wow that's insane

[unique perch]

If fun having over 400 health and just face tanking Promethius

[glossy rivet]

yo whats a good apollo and hestia weapon to build around, i need to get phoenix skin for prophecy

[limber mauve]

what are we feeling on the new fists? im feeling kinda whelmed, tried out the nyx aspect

[inland bobcat]

Is it me or is Xinth kind of underwhelming damage wise

[limber mauve]

i got lucky and grabbed splash on special and that was the bulk of my damage... the splash

then i got aphrodite +damage on normals and then it felt usable

lost two death defiances on eris though, on the one weapon that has block frames lmao

[inland bobcat]

I’m just getting back and the game is kicking my ass even on god mode, all though Persephone is quickly becoming one of my favorite weapons as long as I get storm ring

[limber mauve]

tying the bulk of the block frames to omega attack feels bad

im not sure if it has block frames on normals but i havent noticed it

[warped harness]

how do we unlock the new weapon

[limber mauve]

get to the new area and mine

yeah not gonna lie the new weapon's normal attacks aint it, i have aphrodite at +165% close range damage, the hammer upgrade that gives it +20% armor shred, and the aphrodite +power/prime 20 mana

and even with all that i cant strip armor fast enough off certain bulky enemies before they hit me

even omega attacking doesnt nuke all the armor

it has slightly better range than dagger normals, worse attack speed, and slightly better damage

it feels like ass

[glossy rivet]

where hecuba
no pet, got permission from hecate, went to echo 3 times no dog in sight

[tough vapor]

the new axe special little spin thing makes it actually decent for hestia special since its a 3 hit attack

[lyric otter]

Going back to Hades briefly made me miss wall slamming - Poseidon Pinball Wizard builds were stupid fun.

[gloomy patio]

nerf eris when

[calm arch]

can anyone sell me on twilight curse? is there ever a reason to use it?

[past salmon]

ummm ermmm uhhh
Sheep funny?

[glossy rivet]

i might try hestia on coat special anyway

more hits more dots more good... right?

[rugged moon]

discovered an interesting... bug? regarding bloodline

[lyric otter]

It can work just fine for sure

[loud moat]

It’s a curse to give yourself breathing room for Mobs. That’s about it. There’s some flavor with the bonus that combos your cast with it (enemies morphed appear in cast) but otherwise kinda a meme imo

[glossy rivet]

so far ive found zeus on coat special to be a strong combo

morph into cast plus chaaron axe is pretty yum

[calm arch]

icarus's explodey thingy combos well with it too

[lyric otter]

Applying Burn with the Special goes pretty far, and the basic attacks hit quickly enough to keep up your big Burn numbers that way.

[calm arch]

i mean thematically you HAVE to take the explosions on your rocket suit right?

[loud moat]

It’s in a strange design space where it can’t be used on bosses in any meaningful way, which kinda makes it feel useless

[lyric otter]

Most bosses do summon annoying things, where it has a niche use

[calm arch]

i haven't found any boss adds so far to be much more than hp sponges

maybe when we get EM4

[lyric otter]

@glossy rivet I played around with Coat and Hestia - found focusing on the Special a bit more consistent than Attack, but both work great. The Hammer upgrades to fire occasional Specials when Attacking or just making the missiles faster are both very ideal for it, especially if you use Selene's Aspect and snag the node for making the Hex beams also apply the Attack Boon.

TLDR it works well, probably the next best one for Hestia after the Blades/Torches.

[grave forge]

it works on minibosses

[lyric otter]

My sole nitpick is that the missiles from charging the Special ARE slow, so without a proper upgrade it won't apply Burn as efficiently. Other than that tho it's totally fine.

[grave forge]

perfect for Charybdis, also lets you turn whatever others you find annoying into sitting ducks

[calm arch]

I just wish the lock on range for the omega special was a bit longer tbh

[grave forge]

it can also disable Vow of Fangs-derived abilities afaik

[lyric otter]

Mood

[grave forge]

at least active ones like teleport spam

[calm arch]

I don't know how much of it is the fear being new and how much is the actual game but... I am finding it hard to tell wtf is going on with the vow of fangs

I feel like BP2 in hades 1 I could usually tell what perks the enemies had

[glossy rivet]

do you ever notice missiles disappearing mid-flight is there a cap to how many missiles can be flying at once?

[lyric otter]

Not certain - I'll pay attention next time I play.

[glossy rivet]

i noticed it while spamming omega specials on skelly

some missiles disappeared while i was aiming the next omega spec

[gloomy patio]

Is the new weapon any good?

I justunlocked it

[vital ledge]

strength is so good!
just had a run with traps being at the top of the damage taken list, with 27 😂
meanwhile on the surface it is probably 300+.. can't dodge anything in the new zone

I really like that we got an alternative to death defiances. really cool

[tulip sonnet]

i'm having a lot of fun with xinth! it's just hard to get used to because you need to get up close and personal and then switch it up with the missiles

[gloomy patio]

How good is it against eris?

thats the biggest roadblock I have in this game so far, shes harder than Chronos augh.

[tulip sonnet]

oh real i think i had to downgrade from 40 fear to 25 to even get to olympus

i'm trying to get to her now! i truly just got it a couple of minutes ago

[gloomy patio]

cri I still play on fear 0

[tulip sonnet]

you can scale up to it! it's how i did it. like get enough fear on there you manage to adjust

[gloomy patio]

hades 2 is a lot harder than 1, in 1 Im at heat 16 and here Im struggling at fear 0

[unborn pollen]

No clue if my build was good but it felt super fun / good to build charged x attacks with the black coat

And it led to my first win against prometheus

[heady eagle]

which aspect?

[analog ether]

I have kind of an interesting question.

Say you have a boon that is affected by Rare Crop (Boons are set to Common, then increase in rarity over time).

And then you trade that boon for another (ex. trading Aphro's Attack Boon for Hera's)

Would Rare Crop's effect then carry over to the new boon?

[heady eagle]

I don't think it does

[shell sun]

Am i missing something with selene's aspect? Do i need to run it with selene's relic, or go a lot for path of stars?

[bleak night]

You can start Moon Beam and get the Prism (purple) upgrade asap, then from there it's just you getting enough MP or a good gain so it has as much uptime as possible. It's pretty much a spammable Zeus Call from Hades 1

if it has no Prism and only has Cascade, then it's a lil doomed, so probs restart lol

[surreal hazel]

Huh, incandescent aura does work on mana regen, it's just kinda bad

[surreal hazel]

no wait

it's like it looks at your mana level every timestep and then compares it to the previous and deals damage based on that?

no wait, it's just that mana regen does its own thing every 0.5 secs it seems, it pulses much slower than every 0.2

[carmine lagoon]

Athena appearances naturally?

[bleak night]

huh?

[hexed frost]

What are the good hammers I should look out for with axe. I was able to get to last floor using the one that converts the basic attack string into just the final hit of it

[rocky pawn]

I like the one that gives u -20% damage during attack

[hexed frost]

That sounds decent given how easy it is to get caught during slow wind ups

[visual flume]

if you're running charon you kind of just want to buff the special

[safe holly]

are there any good builds relying mainly on static shock and support fire?

[analog osprey]

probably anything that would benefit from poseidon splash effect, since they're all flat dmg ticks and like high speed weapons

dagger attack, staff special, axe special, coat special, etc

[glossy rivet]

Is purging pool only in tartarus or is there supposed to be an incantation to spawn it elsewhere but my game bugged out from showing it?

[hexed field]

pan daggers or nyx black coat special builds

[spare kite]

Tart only

[glossy rivet]

i c
new question does athena arrive on a timer or does she not actually help with wiping the map? feelsbad when i only get her to arrive after i finished the last enemy in an encounter

[hexed frost]

How do I time dodging of evil ceberus ground pound seeing as I have just 1 dodge

[fringe lichen]

What's some good black coat build

[glossy rivet]

i had a good run with hera special spam coat
zeus is also good, special spam

[surreal hazel]

Shimmering rockets with sworn flourish

[modest dagger]

So what happens when you get brave face and use strength at the same time?

and fixed gain

[surreal hazel]

Multplies

77.5% damage reduction

[modest dagger]

You get like 82% damage resist?

[surreal hazel]

Add some python scales for a giggle

[modest dagger]

Oh I thought it would be 82%

77% is still funny enough

[surreal hazel]

0.5x 0.5x 0.9x

Not sure when brave face kicks in

To calculate mana costs

[modest dagger]

Description says it's 50% resist and 5 magick per damage taken

[surreal hazel]

Depends when it checks?

Descriptions can be slightly wrong

[modest dagger]

Idk I'm gonna try this later and see what happens

[surreal hazel]

Also full salvo is noe called wide grin? Huh

[modest dagger]

That name does make sense since it's like a wide attack

https://youtu.be/ISWCLI3ZhaY?si=Jm8rL6Js4bs4p7sF
This guy runs it actually so if you watch closely, you can see exactly how much magick he loses when taking damage

Is the boon that Demeter gives that reduces max damage you take to 15 still in game?

If you get that then get worry free, maybe you can legit become unkillable

[surreal hazel]

Yes

But it caps damage after all other modifiers

[spare kite]

Also it caps to 20 now

[surreal hazel]

I don't follow, worry free just improves max hp

[modest dagger]

Yeah 80 minimum, on 77% damage resist

That's as powerful as getting ~ 350 health

If I calculated it right

[surreal hazel]

Oh so just super tough, not immortal

[modest dagger]

I mean, it's assuming the player is playing obviously

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, water fitness and burnt offering can do big hp boosts

And if we're using veneer then we're already at 6 water

Let's not forget that damage resistance isn't healing resustance either

[modest dagger]

I think veneer reduces damage of instalill attacks too

[surreal hazel]

So taking strength does make you tougher

But then athena's two DD boons are hilariously busted good

[modest dagger]

If you have all that tankiness and decent DPS, how could you possibly lose?

I might try this for my 32 fear run honestly

[surreal hazel]

By timer

[modest dagger]

How does timer interact with the damage resist

Is it still 5 per sec?

[surreal hazel]

I think so

[modest dagger]

That sucks

[surreal hazel]

Else flood control would negate it

[modest dagger]

I feel like some weapons have really good base DPS so I think the timer can be circumvented

[hexed frost]

Which is better for base sister blades. Aphro or poseidon

[surreal hazel]

Xinth's punch conbo is 30/40 base and is quick

[surreal hazel]

Aphro if you can get wicket Onslaught

Both if you can get island getaeay on flutter flourish

[hexed frost]

Thanks

[hollow crypt]

Blood Line on Torches is so funny

definitely needs Talent from Chaos to be useable though, it drains Magick like nobody's business

[low bear]

Demeter's legendary is so satisying when it procs

[surreal hazel]

shattering noises

[surreal hazel]

depends, if you run a good born gain you'd be surprised how long you can run for

with the new hera hestia duo, it can be hilarious

[hollow crypt]

I took Warmth Gain, I forgot that it procs off of Attack & Special, not Attack(s) and Special(s)

and Born Gain was never offered xd

[surreal hazel]

but if you overcook it, then you go back to firing normal again

and will never fire omega attacks again until you let go of attack

[hollow crypt]

yeah I did do that, kinda annoying if I need to break from it though

keeps starting and stopping making it hard to charge up for a full unload

[kindred jasper]

does anyone have fun ideas for a xinth build

[hollow crypt]

low fear? Nyx, unbind everything except Sprint

[kindred jasper]

sorry what lmao

[hollow crypt]

and pick you poison: you could take Heph and aim for Love Handles, or try to get Beach Ball, or take Dem and aim for Tropical Cyclone

[kindred jasper]

hm i like demeter more imo heph's boons are boring

[hollow crypt]

your early game damage will just be Omega Dash from Aspect of Nyx until other stuff become online

of course you can do it without unbinding everything else, but Sprint only is funnier

[kindred jasper]

sorry what is tropical cyclone is that a duo boon bc i cant find it

[kindred jasper]

okk that sounds fun ill try it

[hollow crypt]

It's Dem/Apollo new Duo

if you're standing in a Gust it'll shoot out smaller Gusts (that are more powerful)

[kindred jasper]

whatt thats so cool ill try it thanks

[spare kite]

oh rank up doesn't refreshes athena

mental block vs eris is hilarious

[carmine lagoon]

What dictates Athena’s natural appearances

[steel sequoia]

0 DD on surface

[carmine lagoon]

Ty

[compact nest]

Natural apperance is just random chance similar to artemis/herecles/icarus etc. Can only appear in olympus.

Keepsake is 0 DDs anywhere(except mourning fields) though

[weary shadow]

i gotta get better on surface losing 5 death defiances is frankly embarrassing, once again using athena as a crutch just like the first game

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230649734008672347/1297171690425679924/ParryThis.mp4?ex=6714f4c7&is=6713a347&hm=e4b75de42c5913f955988d4649e1fb871a729e12bf9160ccd76132135790ebf9&

[carmine lagoon]

Really? Keepsake no worky in fields? Why?

[compact nest]

No idea. Most likely just MF's unique design and gameplay implications for it

Plus she clears the entire map of enemies which is big and included non encounter enemies so dunno. Might be a bug, might be intended, might be implemented later

[carmine lagoon]

So she can appear natty in Olympus even if I have DD’s left (but some used)?

[compact nest]

Yes. She has no conditions to appear. My first appearance with her was with full DDs in the first ever olympus run i did.

She has sometimes not appeared, but thats just random chance.

[past mist]

similar conditions to artemis/heracles/icarus appearing i assume

[hollow crypt]

#h2-victory-boasting message
man this was sick, Mental Block to make 0 risk Glorious Disaster channelling with Hazard Boom

[steel sequoia]

does it deflect the 20 dmg of hazard boom?

[hollow crypt]

that idk, didn't occur to me to try

[lunar lance]

What's a good Dash boon to pair with the Nyx coat?

I was thinking Hera or Apollo

maybe even Poseidon?

[steel sequoia]

i need time to test zeus and poseidon, but aphro should be good?

[timber spear]

just finished a chaos trial with 0.6 microseconds left, OOF

[spare kite]

I just do apollo dash or no dash at all

I didn't like pos cuz it made it annoying to connect the actual O.boodt

[hexed frost]

Is double dodge ever unlocked? And how do I deal with ceberus stamp + schockwave

[thick knoll]

was messing arround and not playing well but will say apollo cast i feel makes it feel even more gundam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqFOgicpTBg

[spare kite]

I just dash through him, double dash doesn't exist

[hexed frost]

I find I rarely dodge both. Sometimes I dodge the stamp but get hit by the shockwave

[lunar lance]

I need to find a good Gain to go with the coat. Selene and Nyx aspects are both fairly magic-hungry, especially if you get boons like Hera's omega rift thing.

[thick knoll]

hestia

[lunar lance]

Maybe Aphrodite Gain would be best. Or Poseidon's for Nyx.

What does Hestia's gain do, again?

[thick knoll]

hit and gain mana

[lunar lance]

Ahhh

well that would do it, wouldn't it? Maybe I'll take the Coal on my next run

[thick knoll]

also used it in video above it works well

[lunar lance]

As a side note: I like how the keepsakes are balanced so far in this game.

I remember that in Hades 1, I got fixated on using the Thanatos or Hermes keepsakes for entire runs. It's nice that I'm feeling more inclined to take boon-selecting gifts this time.

[thick knoll]

boon boosting was still used a lot in hades 1

[hexed frost]

Wasn't it a build bread and butter to start with boon selectors

[thick knoll]

keepsakes in hades 2 i find myself chancing more though

[lunar lance]

Maybe I was just weird about it then, lol

I just felt like "oh if I want as much ATK power as possible, I should start with the Butterfly and keep it the whole way through"

instead of a half-measure later on. But that was maybe not the best way to go about it

[cursive oyster]

butterfly gives like 30% global when maxed its uhh not that good

[lunar lance]

huh

[spare kite]

Yeah plume and butterfly were mid/bad meta speaking

[lunar lance]

Well, then I should maybe reword my praise to say that I like that the keepsakes properly incentivized me to try boon-selectors this time, with the rarify thing.

[thick knoll]

i like that we have more options for final level with hades 2 in hades 1 i mostly used stuff like skelly for extra death defiance but we have more options here like moros and some other intresting ones

[lunar lance]

I tend to end my runs with the Blackened Fleece, myself

[spare kite]

The acorn effect being moved to arcana helps a lot for last keepsake lol

[lunar lance]

True true

Though you could always grab the Knuckle Bones for a similar sort of idea. Instead of more defense against the last boss, lop off some of his HP

[spare kite]

But yeah pin/tooth/droplet/antler/etc all fun for tart

[cursive oyster]

anyway buff bell to 5% per room when?

[spare kite]

Buff it to 50%

[lunar lance]

and mroe defense actually, lol

[thick knoll]

fleece i like on persophone i think

[spare kite]

I don't like fleece in general

[thick knoll]

actually should try how good it is on aspect of selene

[lunar lance]

Gorgon Amulet feels weird to me, looking at its description.

[spare kite]

Play with strength arcana

[steel sequoia]

i use fleece/pin 90% of time

[thick knoll]

so purse does only work if you start run with it right not if you switch?

[spare kite]

Join us

[lunar lance]

I need to have lost/started with no death defiance, and then Athena will show up at some point with more boons. I like Athena's boons, but not more than I like death defiance.

[lunar lance]

Pretty sure you get the extra money as soon as you equip the thing. You're basically trading other keepsake buffs for money for a region.

[spare kite]

This is no joke, strength is a valid alternative to dds

50% dmg reduction + some globak dmg all run is comfy

[thick knoll]

ok wasnt completely sure with that one

[lunar lance]

Intriguing.

[thick knoll]

i am glad with aspect of selene it makes moon beam finally usefull for something

[lunar lance]

So you could take that, take the Gorgon Eye at some point, and get the defenses plus the Athena save/boon at some point.

I'm imagining take a boon selector region 1, then Gorgon Eye region 2

[spare kite]

Yeah, the only use I see for eternity and Athena's keepsake is if you need a dd refill fast

[lunar lance]

Athena also has that one boon that gives you the equivalent of Stubborn Defiance; a Death Defiance that replenishes once per fight, at the cost of priming like 150 magic

[surreal hazel]

150/125/100

[lunar lance]

It's a lot either way; you'd only want it with a really strong Gain and some investment in max magic, I think

[spare kite]

4* gorgon gives heroic athena right

[spare kite]

Manaless weapons also just take it for free

[lunar lance]

Judgement arcana seems really intriguing. Not sure what 3 cards I'd take to go with it

[thick knoll]

so on the coat aspects how strong do you all think it is?

[lunar lance]

MMk, I'm gonna try a run with Nyx coat, Glowing Coal, and gonna try Strength Athena

[spare kite]

Really versatile/strong for sure but wouldn't call it op

[lunar lance]

I like the coat so far. I think getting good with the guard stance can do wonders

[spare kite]

Nyx is my fav aspect still

[lunar lance]

Not sure which aspect I favor, though I think I lean to Selene.

Nyx crash is really fun though

[spare kite]

Looks wise tho, selene >>>> the colors are so pretty

[lunar lance]

Interesting how Selene aspect favors omega moves, whereas Nyx aspect buffs standard moves

[thick knoll]

i feel coat works really well in new zone i think block is really handy on some of the new enemies

[thick knoll]

and then there is mel aspect which i feel also has potential

[spare kite]

I need to get better at blocking, I just outdps/dem cast lmao

[lunar lance]

what was the buff on Mel aspect, again?

[spare kite]

Mel coat is a really good mel aspect

[spare kite]

+20% speed to attacks/+20% sprint
Basically droplet keepsake built in

[thick knoll]

i feel speedrun community is gonna love that one

[lunar lance]

ooh, that is nice.

Average stats for the actual abilities, so just buff your speed everywhere instead. I like

[spare kite]

Also +20% movement speed oops

[lunar lance]

oooh, Launcher Frame is a nice Coat hammer to go with the Nyx aspect.

Chance to fire missiles when you punch stuff, and Nyx really wants you to be punching stuff after you crash into something

[iron grail]

Does Splah Fount damage the 'first foe' from which the wave originates?

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230649734008672347/1297205085616607353/image.png?ex=671513e1&is=6713c261&hm=2ec372187fbf1df96f6021da35bbb7092130cda22d6a809987e2a37d7beaf77b& love you echo

[lunar lance]

oooh, Hera Hestia is fun with Nyx coat.

Warmth Gain + Blood Line = biiig damage with each dash crash, and I'm not running out of magic any time soon

[steel sequoia]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1297207280319729684/20241019113446_1.jpg?ex=671515ec&is=6713c46c&hm=10ae5dae4e6aba943c11d42d48b2869fa43dc9cbd7297b1b2228fa490da8cc1d& im srry but nyx sux hard, 30 mana is too intensive for the nightmare buff does not worth it

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1297207319339208704/image.png?ex=671515f5&is=6713c475&hm=261827c68f82939c76b4f04430d47870847efe043ef497b436a3ac1530705862& pomx3 is the funniest thing ever

[steel sequoia]

static shock saved the build tbh but here is the nyx run https://www.tiktok.com/@inosukevgc/video/7427497982599187718

[vestal atlas]

Quick question, I don't post much, so I hope I'm in the right area. If I sell burnt offering at a purging pool, do I lose the magic and max life?

[steel sequoia]

wait burnt offering is the one that changes? or the one that buffs?

[spare kite]

I think it does

[tulip sonnet]

prometheus lines of fire has me crying shaking throwing up

[steel sequoia]

yeah you lose the buffs

[tulip sonnet]

what do u mean i have to do a memory game.

[vestal atlas]

Burnt offering gets rid of a boon and gives you max magic and life.

[steel sequoia]

if you sell it you lose the life and mana

[vestal atlas]

Thanks, everyone! I figured that was the case.

[steel sequoia]

i really miss the vercel wiki

[frank crystal]

Has anyone noticed that burn doesn’t seem to reapply after you freezer burn? Is that normal?
Seems like it has setups like merciful end but the burn seems more difficult to re-apply. Thanks!

[magic moss]

i messaged the owner and they going through some life stuff so had to drop it since they didnt have the time or resources to update to patch 5

[lunar lance]

OK, just finished a run with the arcana that buffs you with no death defiance. And it went remarkably well! I might need to start trying that more often. Particularly with the Athena keepsake.

Also I ran into Dionysus for my first time and took his Worry Free boon. That is a hilarious effect. Gain a solid chunk of max health, but you can't know your current health anymore.

IDK if it's a good effect, but I feel like it might actually help impart its namesake; I feel like I play worse when I know I'm at low HP

[magic moss]

its pretty strong with strength because its 200 ehp

[lunar lance]

true true

The defense boost really makes max HP stronger in such a run

[safe holly]

should i use dancing knives, melting dart or skulking slice on a build using flick knives?

[surreal hazel]

It's excellent. It's not just doubke effective health, but double hp regen too

And 25% base damage buffs makes apollo oddly more viable

[surreal hazel]

Melting dart

[safe holly]

thanks

[surreal hazel]

50% armour per hit is basically "press Y to delete armour"

With flick knives it is armour-b-gone

[river wadi]

how to dodge Eris sniping attack?

[surreal sundial]

2 questions about scorch :

-Can it crit ?
-Does "Air Quality" (min dmg = 30) applies to each tick of scorch dmg ?

[spare kite]

Go far away enough then dash when she shoots/or use a pillar to tank it/dash behind her

[spare kite]

Air quality does work like that with scorch yeah

[surreal sundial]

So it's straight up x30 dps ? Damn. Ty.

[cursive oyster]

it is not, its more of a 120% increase

[safe holly]

How should i build black cloak?

[rugged moon]

Scorch does 13.33 damage per 1/6th of a second by default. Air quality raises it 30. Upping it from 80/s to 180/s

[surreal sundial]

ty for the information, didn't know scorch actual base dmg

[surreal hazel]

No, yes

[rugged moon]

Yeah its base is 80/s with six ticks in that second

[surreal hazel]

Scorch also improves with generic % bonuses

Origination, strength etc..

Basically the orange hp bar is a lie most of the time.

[stoic sage]

i did the most amazing run possible on heat 12

[hexed frost]

Will I unlock more death defilement without clearing first?

[safe holly]

does growing or shrinking in size effect your hitbox?

[quiet tangle]

I can't for the life of me beat prometheus consistently
how does that fight work?

[fervent narwhal]

@hexed frost what do you mean?

@safe holly it shouldnt

[hexed frost]

The revival thing

I should be able to get multiple I think

[safe holly]

thanks

[fervent narwhal]

you can by upgrading the arcana card or get toula

[silent crow]

kite him

[willow phoenix]

I find not sticking close for too long pretty helpful. Tbh if you stop and look at his moveset he actually has a pretty clear tell of what he's going to do, but it gets hard to see with all the visual clutter

[fervent narwhal]

run around him and dont attack just to learn how to dodge specific abilites and learn his animations and movements and how he chases you

[willow phoenix]

Or if you really don't want to bother learning him, you can just build up some cheese build like a time slow build or a total eclipse invulnerable build. Having a free window to attack makes him so much easier

Honestly for me on lower fears I just go strength and trade blows with him, if you force him to change phases quickly he won't have time to summon mobs or do a bunch of aoe moves

[obtuse cape]

I find the Xinth Special builds generally are fast enough and have enough ranged DPS to both kite and smash him without much issue

[hexed frost]

Rapid slash vs hell splitter for axe? Haven't cleared once yet

[zealous condor]

Does judgement giving seer mean you have dice with no way to use them until/unless it also hands out champion/fates?

[silent crow]

rapid

[silent crow]

yes

[zealous condor]

That’s so funny to me

Also yeah my takeaway from 3 Prometheus fights seems almost entirely “run away”

[zealous condor]

I mean that’s exactly what the text said and what I expected it to do, but it’s just so comical seeing it happen to me

[silent crow]

enjoy your nothing

[zealous condor]

also not having judgement fully upped yet

Dumped like 1500 bones for 17 moon dust though so I’ve fixed that :^)
Honestly my tables only like 40% upped or smthn lol
At least I have 30 grasp ig

Vow of shadow? MM is cool 👀 it’s not any sort of replacement for whatever EM4 looks like in like 3-4 years when we get those versions of bosses

Also does that mean we’ll get two sets of EM-4 if/when they make them (again, like lol probs 5 years from now)? Damb

[lost shell]

is there any new build for an older weapon?

[cursive oyster]

building around eos special is fun now

hecuba makes born gain blood line mel torches much easier to pull off

[cyan rock]

not really because

1. there are only new minor gods not full dieties
2. the weapon modifications did change ballance but not in a way that changed what the weapons are good at just changed how good they were at it.
   the only exception to this i have seen is at high heat. going athena and rolling for the 1 death defiance per room and selecting builds that are ok with less mana is the new high heat metta.

[autumn nymph]

prior to the new update i had all the keepsakes, there are still 2 slots in the box, are there any new keepskae givers?

[fervent narwhal]

yes

[autumn nymph]

without spoiling it completely, are they on the surface or underworld

[spare kite]

Up

[fervent narwhal]

both are surface

[autumn nymph]

coolio

is either one ||athena|| cuz i already ran into her and couldnt gift anything

[fervent narwhal]

you cant gift them during the first meeting

[green osprey]

aspect of moros is crazy

[safe holly]

Should i take renewed faith, divine dash or stalwart stand?

[willow phoenix]

Moros is just insane I agree. The damage is absolutely bonkers.

[green osprey]

Seriously, its legit 3 sources of high dmg that lets you just nuke rooms or single mini-boss enemies down (reg attack, special, + special exposion)

[bleak night]

[glad nova]

What causes the black coat to "break" and make the magick special worse/green?

[bleak night]

huh ?

[willow phoenix]

I think it's when you're not locking on anything?

[cyan rock]

it maxes out when you dont have people to lock onto

[spare kite]

No targets in sight

[glad nova]

oh, that makes sense, ty!

[spare kite]

Wait is in sight or on sight

[nova dune]

The coat can block ?

[spare kite]

While charging omega attack

[cyan rock]

yah on omega attack charge

[nova dune]

Oh

Havent used it so far, thought it was too slow

[cyan rock]

its odd. some people want it to work on high heat because blocking is cracked out on high heat. but the omega attack damage is rather lacking so far which slows down the run.

it will be interesting to see how that shakes out in the high heat metta

[willow phoenix]

Personally I've never used the block mechanic too and the old block on the axe too. Ig it never clicked with me

[magic moss]

what coat blocking?

[cyan rock]

fair its really hard to do. especially on high heat when all the enemies are so fast.

[modern wadi]

any advice for Charybdis im really struggling and lose 2 dds everytime

[willow phoenix]

using it with selene for big numbers seems to be the way to go for omega attack

[magic moss]

i mean dont get me wrong coat blocking mechanic is really good but its nowhere close to being a make or break type thing for the coat

[cyan rock]

hmmmm u i could see that. though that is still a lower damage build. maybe it will be built with special for DPS and attack just for block? idk it will be interesting.

[cyan rock]

at low heat i agree and its totally fine they should keep it. but at high heat blocking is even more valuable than normal.

[willow phoenix]

Don't get between multiple tentacles, it can get really hard to dodge all of them. Staying at a distance everytime they want to ground slam helps with dodging the waves.

[magic moss]

i know but again coat's ability to block is like nowhere close to being what makes it strong rn, its a massive benefit but not like a defining trait of it

unlike the axe prepatch, where block was on special and came out like frame 1

[green osprey]

narcissisus keepsake aromatic phial is also crazy as well

[willow phoenix]

meanwhile ghost onion exists

[nova dune]

Position yourself well, try to stay on the attack range of single tentacle at a time

[cyan rock]

oh so you think it will be too slow to be useable at high heat?
thats interesting i could see that.
i generally think people will eventually get good enough at it to make it work anyway eventually but maybe not?

[green osprey]

Being able to turn an attack boon from common to heroic just hits every time

[magic moss]

1. its fear and not heat
2. I never said it will be too slow. I'm saying that its a massive benefit and people will utilize it to great value, but it won't be a weapon defining mechanic

[modern wadi]

thank you it seems obvious when you say it but i alway find myself running between them lmao

[cyan rock]

lol ok mb on the heat old habbits die hard mr technical XP
as to the rest fair enough its an interesting take. i just generally find that long term block mechanics are more significant so im having a hard time thinking it wont be. but to each their own. we will have to wait and see.

[magic moss]

one of the main reasons why block was such a defining mechanic on the axe was because the axe was very one dimensional in terms of attacking with pretty big windows to get hit on combos, so the block covered that hole by giving you essentially a frame 1 invuln option. The coat on the other hand is very VERY fluid and across dash attacks and specials you get so much mobility and agency in how you want to approach and deal damage, meaning block rarely should be used if played correctly

[zealous condor]

I take it malice in kind is ridiculous if you’re stuck on a single overworld boss? (-15% hp to the enemy that procs DD every time you lose one)

[willow phoenix]

watch it deal 1% damage as the boss is near a phase change

[zealous condor]

Or even just like… “I wouldn’t have clutched on last DD” or “I would’ve lost another deaths defiance”

Very true, but 15% still sounds solid

The trade off is like “lol you died to the trash mob” or “bosses summon killed you so boss loses nothing”

[willow phoenix]

yea it's nice, medea in general offers powerful boons

[zealous condor]

Maybe dying to miniboss too but if its my absolute first time seeing it, I might be happy still ngl lol

[tired fulcrum]

If you got to them with 2/3 dds youd prolly of won anyways

And its youre scraping by then it wont help much

[zealous condor]

Suffering on sight seems crazy

Also I think corrosion on sight saved my run yesterday against talos because I couldn’t see my hp (took 120/180 hp w/ 1 DD left +100 hp in exchange for invis health bar) lol

[spare kite]

Suffering is 1-999 dmg?

[zealous condor]

I mean

I’m envisioning the max benefit but if you’re crushing phase one of Olympus w/ 3 DDs left and phase 2 (surely it’s 2 phases+ eventual em4 gives us a third, right???) 45% could go a long way

I also think it can proc during intangibility though…

[zealous condor]

Was that a bad perk lol I thought it was aight but I’ve only taken it once

[spare kite]

I've never seen it do more than like 50 dmg

[zealous condor]

Fair ig

Is engraved pin just Better than h1s acorn?

[spare kite]

More like stubborn defiance 2

[zealous condor]

Idk how to do that math and it changes p wildly if I think about what high heat/fear entails (and I didn’t even do em4/fo2)

[spare kite]

If I had to compare it to acorn I'd agree is better probably

[willow phoenix]

I really like engraved pin

[spare kite]

10s of unga bunga is so good

[willow phoenix]

especially on strength run, it's like a lifeline that is enough most of the time

[zealous condor]

10s go brrrr

[trail python]

whats everyone's fav skull aspect

[spare kite]

Mel

[willow phoenix]

medea because it's pretty fluid

[trail python]

i only use mel's and i kinda wannna see if its worth investing in smth else or go to the lamps

[willow phoenix]

I really want to like persephone but it requires such specific build

[spare kite]

Medea skull is cool but I'm stinky at using it

[zealous condor]

I think I’ve just stuck to Mel but literally haven’t purchased Eos so…

(Also why does nightmare feel relatively expensive)

[willow phoenix]

All of the torches are good imo, and they all have different playstyles

[trail python]

i have eos maxed but it was from before they reworked it

[spare kite]

Same

[willow phoenix]

although most of the time it does end up with focusing on special lol

[trail python]

idk if i like the new one as much- i think ill try moros after

[willow phoenix]

special build on eos can deal a lot of damage

[trail python]

wait moros torch attacks go SO far- i thought theyd stop on hit. kinda a bummer

[spare kite]

Omega special then hold attack in front of your enemies

They won't hurt you, they'll die before they do anything

[willow phoenix]

if you have the health sure

[trail python]

that mkes more sense! idk why i didnt think of that lol ty!

[zealous condor]

Huh

Forgot about a heart delivery on 185 hp going into a corridor and then sea star procced as well…
Was confused about what sea star meant by “rare resources” before remembering sand/feather/etc. represent completions…

[trail python]

u guys think heph or apollo better on special for medea skulls

[spare kite]

Zeus

[bleak night]

Zeus def the best for the special on that, yeah

[trail python]

that is good to know but i just wanna know between these two gods- or speculate anyway

[willow phoenix]

heph imo

[bleak night]

Heph probs yeah

[rugged moon]

most of meda skull damage is the attack. so heph is good for just the every so often

[mellow basin]

Ummm somehow I have two hexes (got a Hermes and a room one). Will they both go off when I press R2?

[rugged moon]

Apollos percentage isnt gonna increase it a lot

[willow phoenix]

uhh what?

[bleak night]

huh ?

[rugged moon]

Hermes doesnt have hex?

[trail python]

oh i didnt know that! will any boon debuffs on the attack also apply on the special?

[rugged moon]

for medea you are doing both

medea is basicly your attack waits to explode until you hit something with special

[willow phoenix]

uhhh the way medea skull work is that the attack explodes when the special hits, so if your attack has any curse the explosion will trigger it

[trail python]

oh pog thats good to know

[spare kite]

hermes delivery I assume

[rugged moon]

but its still your attack going off

[trail python]

i wasnt sure if the attack technically went off but that makes sense

[rugged moon]

yeah

[spare kite]

I think someone got a similar bug in ephyra around patch 2? and I think it triggered both

[rugged moon]

its still the attack its jsut timed on special. which is why zues is the best special cause its just blitz for high damage with a low damage special. then your attack makes blitz happen.

Heph works too. although less good since the timer

[bleak night]

I think Freeze or Aphro on Special are also good choices

Aphro's boost is like 200% or something, no ?

[spare kite]

at epic yeah

[rugged moon]

something like that?

[bleak night]

basically a secondary attack

[mellow basin]

Time to heal at the same time I become a living nightmare then 😂

[bleak night]

it aint Blitz, though

[spare kite]

can you send a pic of your boon menu actually this seems funny

[bleak night]

still, can't always get everything in a run

[mellow basin]

Can I post pics here?

[trail python]

whats good on attack for medea?

[rugged moon]

any percentage

[trail python]

u cant directly but i think u can link images

[spare kite]

send somewhere else then right click, copy link (not message link)

[willow phoenix]

I like hera

[bleak night]

Hera safest bet

[rugged moon]

apollo, hera both amazing

[willow phoenix]

when in doubt pick hera 👍

[trail python]

pog ty, ill try to fish for hera

[bleak night]

honestly, Sworn Strike is basically top 1 or 2 on every single weapon that attacks

[trail python]

oh i have hera and apollo doors

[rugged moon]

Hera is just about always the correct choice

[bleak night]

idk I like Flame Strike on Blades lol

[rugged moon]

i didnt say always 😛 i said about always

[bleak night]

fair

[rugged moon]

i flamestrike for blades too. but also like... hera is ALSO still a correct choice there

[bleak night]

also I seem to have a curse where the runs I win in 53 are me having no attack or special boon

[rugged moon]

I had a near win at 50f for Selene with attack of special

[bleak night]

it's happened twice now, Moros no attack, Mel Blades no attack I think

[rugged moon]

it was really hillarious. my main damage was actually sprint

[willow phoenix]

do you use the danaid thing from the well?

[bleak night]

huh

[rugged moon]

i ended up with Zues Sprint, Zues Bolt on Mana Spent, Double Strike with Selene Coat

[bleak night]

Yep, that thing SLAPS, and I love it

[rugged moon]

died to timer tho, i had a REALLY bad Ephrya setup so lost all my dds to poly

then just didnt have skill to kill eris with no dds

[willow phoenix]

Zeus sprint and spirit surge seems fun.

[trail python]

eris is a damn dds eater

[rugged moon]

It worked surprisingly well, and is a really fast way to spend mana for getting hex

[willow phoenix]

But does anyone actually use zeus gain lol

[trail python]

i usually get past her but im bloody and half dead by the time i finish

[rugged moon]

occasionally. Zues gain is actually like kinda really nice

[spare kite]

Yeah I've never hated it if I had to take it

[rugged moon]

its not the best tho by far. like mid tier

but im never unhappy like i am with like dem or apollo

[willow phoenix]

fair, apollo is too niche and dem is just bad

[bleak night]

Ionic is nice if you're playing anything that isnt Charon

that thing goes through so much MP instantly

[mellow basin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1286694211806040075/1297268428767498341/IMG_0256.jpg?ex=67154edf&is=6713fd5f&hm=4f9551cc35b6d6ac5498dcbe75dac8e182e82612115a415c4c46b1befe4d6c32&

[bleak night]

oh, wtf. what happens when you press the button ?

[zealous condor]

Frick

Have found virtually 0 adamantum because I keep forgetting to switch :/

[rugged moon]

my mana is so set this run its amazing

Got medea's mana boon, Born Gain, Hecuba. (and also uncanny for that sweet sweet hp too)

Uncanny has risen on my pick list lately for some of the mana using weapons ive found. since trusty is less needed

and mint is... so so short

Mynt why did you get a height reduction surgery. you're too short now

[hexed frost]

Night 20, 1 dead Chronos . Super axe build. Just tanked everything and spammed jump attack

[rugged moon]

WEWT

[mellow basin]

So it would basically bounce between them, but not consistently. Sometimes to dark side, sometimes to moon water.

[bleak night]

best bug report that, really weird

[mellow basin]

That was a really fun build - too bad I had used up my death defiances on Eris. Had Eos with Apollo on attack and Demeter on special, and right at the very end I got Athena and added deflect to my special.

Got ||Prometheus|| to half health before dying on the fire because I can’t memorize 😭

[bleak night]

That does too much damage imo

[slate trench]

anyone else think its easier to use dash iframes to avoid his big fire instead of memorizing and moving to the right spot?

[hazy osprey]

What have you all been finding effective with the new weapons?

[rugged moon]

i just realized... snow queen now that the bug is fixed is actively bad to get at higher rarity for high fear

[hazy osprey]

On what are you focusing on? Attack special?

[rugged moon]

Zues special, Dem Cast alternating betwen o versiosn of those has been my main thing

i dont like the feel of the attack very much

although it is good, i just dont like personally

[willow phoenix]

I really like poseidon attack, especially on mel coat

[spare kite]

seeing that dio boon heal me 169 hp after that prom fight is kinda embarrasing

oh well, strength moment

[faint spear]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/440995916091097088/1297278631352995891/Hades_II_239.png?ex=6715585f&is=671406df&hm=24f5ed81b7e525a9c9d5f67378270c2b75dab0294e049650f5b534fa395d54c2&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1177&height=662

I believe I just came across the rarest Chaos boon

[spare kite]

damn, what a scam tho lmao

[faint spear]

I took it for the meme

[willow phoenix]

A literal mythical boon right there

I wonder what are the actual chances of it happening

[autumn nymph]

im really struggling to clear surface on 32 heat, is it better to gradually work my way up or just beat my head against it until I get it

[delicate nimbus]

askin here since it will definitely change how i build for now

do chaos gates have reduced spawns if you have a lot of boons?

[autumn nymph]

i cant paste my arcana but i run 11011, 01011, 11111, 00100, 00010, is there something more optimal?

[fervent narwhal]

@autumn nymph you can if you post it somewhere else and copy the link, some use imgur others have a discord channel made for picture dumping

@delicate nimbus they shouldnt, probably not

[delicate nimbus]

aighty

[autumn nymph]

https://imgur.com/a/QCEkGQt

the fear i take depends on what wep im using, im not gonna take like warding with the axe

[fervent narwhal]

i dont play with high fear unless i have to so i cant really answer you on this topic but many in here can.. this is my arcana page that i enjoy personally but its all about just experimenting and finding what works the best for you https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249078453949567161/1297266203219202069/image.png?ex=67154ccc&is=6713fb4c&hm=dc0bbfd681bb9a86f1242671c74b98f557f38bf675c8d8a1564fc1a8dda9171c&

(reminder that if you try that you might wanna swap strength for the death defiance card)

or boatman for anything else

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230649734008672347/1297286802318819501/Poke.mp4?ex=67155ffc&is=67140e7c&hm=b8a2abf6b14ab16dd287c96693cc20f100766e8c1ea27c6b7a53970a09184ca3&

[trail python]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/513935111729709080/1297289675458871336/image.png?ex=671562a9&is=67141129&hm=d1104a1145e10e9cc4234df1a06d86d34385b958f97d833e8f3104b37586f75c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=825&height=502 which of these would be best for medea skulls

[spare kite]

Possessed

[trail python]

fank u

i have extra skulls too so thatll be fun

[zealous condor]

Hmm… does buying deliveries not give obol points? Guess that’s why it feels like I’m running out now

that and the lack of a “penultimate floor shop” where I can dump $2000 gold if I have it

[shell sun]

(can't attach), but just my luck getting a legendary chaos boon that does damage to me for omega attack with the artemis knives

[dense valley]

does athena keepsake proc when missing only 1 dd?

[glad nova]

Does not choosing someone in the trial of gods over someone else make them have a lower chance to appear later on?

[orchid fog]

so I finally unlocked the black coat and am gonna try it out for a run, but I don't really know what kind of arcana setup it would like. does anybody have advice on how to run it?

[timber pawn]

No you have to have 0 dds

[dense valley]

alr

[rugged moon]

which aspect

[spare kite]

Nah

[rugged moon]

for gods appearing its basicly random up until you have 4

game has a soft limit of 4 gods in your run

[desert mist]

why does it feel like i only get the real shredder builds when i am at 0 fear just trying things out or getting resources

[rugged moon]

(not counting special givers like athena/artemis)

[desert mist]

surely i am not that bad

[rugged moon]

i mean what fear are you using

a bunch of the fear options will make your run less pwoerful indirectly

[willow phoenix]

You can use olympian keepsakes and rerolls to affect your rng to some extend

[desert mist]

just the regular easy stuff, slightly more damage and more enemy hp to get to like 6 fear or something

[willow phoenix]

Personally most of the time I just use olympian keepsakes to make the build I want and most of the time it does the trick. Sure you won't get insane builds all the time but getting a good boon or two can go far.

[desert mist]

yeah i already do that, loving the Poseidon Xinth Special so Im using that one a lot and just pray i get other good Origination combos down the line

i think its also partly that a lot of surface enemies are really good at kicking my ass, Eris included

[willow phoenix]

I like using the selene keepsake to salvage bad rng for boons. Hexes are really strong when upgraded

Especially if you have a build that can spend magick quickly

[desert mist]

ive been wanting to use the Selene Aspect for Xinth but I have no idea how to make it works, is it just use her keepsake early on and pray you get good upgrades?

[rugged moon]

sorta,

[willow phoenix]

I like to start with demeter for safer starts. Freeze helps a lot for mobs

[rugged moon]

you start moon beam, grab +2 targets and +50% on repeat hits

goal for the run is basicly just do everything that letsyou cast hex more

more mana, higher omega costs like bloodline, good gain

[past salmon]

Moon beam start Omega spam build basically

Death Arcana is for once actually very good

[desert mist]

gotcha, looks like its time to upgrade Moon Beam, I have never touched it since getting it

[rugged moon]

it was my first 3star i think

hexes arent good but they were so much fun at low fear when i started

[dire lily]

any recs for momus boons?

[willow phoenix]

As always hera lol

[desert mist]

think Xinth might be new favorite weapon

[willow phoenix]

Hera + zeus + demeter is my favorite

[desert mist]

if it does get changed in the future i hope they dont change the omega special too much

[dire lily]

i like it too but nyx only works in hyper situational runs it's kinda useless

[desert mist]

Mel is my favorite

[dire lily]

selene is p crazy

[willow phoenix]

Mel with poseidon/hestia attack rocks

[dire lily]

i had a run w blitz special and arrow on hit from artemis it was really good

[desert mist]

Love the Xinth Mel aspect with Poseidon Specials (preferrably slipperly slope if possible) and the Zeus attack, the dash attack rocks so much with Blitz

[willow phoenix]

Dash attack might be a bit too strong tbh lol

[thick knoll]

so where do we all stand of familliars right now?

[spare kite]

Birb my beloved, toula is sad

[willow phoenix]

Toula bad, all others have their place imo

[spare kite]

Frinos will always have its niche and I haven't used doggo

[desert mist]

i just got the dog, what does it give you?

[willow phoenix]

Some aoe stun occasionally

Magick boost, magick refill occasionally

She's good for magick heavy builds

[dire lily]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946433501325033512/1297300960833568859/image.png?ex=67156d2b&is=67141bab&hm=6ae2c48e38253e23b14ee3bbf122725b5653e217f9ea25b0a8e2651832a1feed&

does this look fine for momus?

[willow phoenix]

Personally I like running death for momus

And the magick regen one is kinda necessary early on no? Unless you want to aim for early gain boon.

[thick knoll]

40 extra mana or something

[past salmon]

60
Also 100 magick restore every encounter

[dire lily]

yeah i was thinking about death, seem like the omega attack would really benefit from it i'm just not sure how realistic it is for enemies to be hit by each tendril after the first

[thick knoll]

sounds like one you might want to take with you with torches and persephone

[severe falcon]

Anyone got reccomendations for Torches builds/aspects? I haven't played much since release but i remember them being a little underwhelming back then

[willow phoenix]

I mean the way I play momus is already alternating between every omega move so there's not even a need to change playstyle with death

[dire lily]

oo i see what you are doing now

so it's circle > special > attack right

[willow phoenix]

Depends on your boons too but sounds about right. You can start with a longer reach one too to stagger

[dire lily]

right ill give it a shot ty

[zealous condor]

Gd

Switched back to fo1 (ok, fury or whatever it’s called) and after beating eris+Prometheus nearly all 4 attempts I now nearly died to eris

[thick knoll]

well eris hits hard

[zealous condor]

Yeah ik… well
if I could tell what each animation was for on every hit in time I could probably no hit fo2
Like I’m comfortable but apparently not enough

Ffs I can’t do this justice, lemme figure out…

[willow phoenix]

Fury is still too hard for me tbh. I don't even run fury for 32 fears. Maybe after some time it gets easier but I like my enemies being slow lol.

[safe holly]

If I’m mainly using flick knives is aspect of melinoe better than pan?

[rugged moon]

fury is good to do at 32 only if you want to eventually do 50 imo

fury is really hard to learn so is good to just learn the habits and timing

but its also the like third hardest vow

[zealous condor]

what

are we not allowed to send pics here

[rugged moon]

nope

[zealous condor]

yeah ok

[split igloo]

Not directly, but if you post it somewhere else and grab the message link it can work.

[rugged moon]

can put somewhere else and then link if want tho

[zealous condor]

#h2-victory-boasting message

2 seconds left and 16 hp against fo1 eris >_>

[thick knoll]

80 hours and still havent beaten a run with torch
maybe i should and invest nightmare in but im in between aspect of eos or moros

[zealous condor]

nightmare feels so expensive, and they just added another wep w/ two more weapons I theoretically need another 16 nightmare for :^)

[wind kettle]

whats a giga build for the new weapon?

[willow phoenix]

Imo moros is the strongest aspect rn lol

[zealous condor]

heckin hecc

ok its nice to have some resources that do feel like they matter/I feel proud of having but lol

moros is the only flame I use but I don't have eos so ehh

[willow phoenix]

At least in terms of damage output

[thick knoll]

thought it was nerfed a bit and eos was buffed

[split igloo]

Moros is still pretty wild.

[willow phoenix]

And it's still so strong

[thick knoll]

nightmare goes into that one then

[willow phoenix]

As long as you have the gas you can shred anything. Hecuba helps a lot with that too.

[thick knoll]

yes feel hecuba might be the go to familliar for torches in general

[split igloo]

They fixed the Warmth Gain (boo hiss the new name) trickeration, but stopping Omega Attacks for a few seconds is nothing.

[thick knoll]

im still thinking what i like more with perseophone

[zealous condor]

what's the best use of 6 grasp arcana if I'm a panzy and still want to use judgement?

yeah hearth gain was better 😦

[rugged moon]

strength and titan

[willow phoenix]

What even prompted the name change lol. Hearth gain is so much better

Same with whatever sea star is

It's not even a pun or a reference to anything

[thick knoll]

so think dog is good for persephone or better or running bird or frog

[rugged moon]

honestly dog is kinda jsut better all around imo

[zealous condor]

new strength is wild, tru

momus basically requires sorceress, right?

although actually I think this one might've always been really good and I ignored it way too long

[willow phoenix]

Sorc helps a lot since you're spamming omega

[rugged moon]

nah, its really good but not required imo

[timber pawn]

You're using a lot of omegas so sorc is quite good on it ya

[rugged moon]

esp not if you are trying to judgement with only 6 grasp

you can make due early on and hope judgement gives it to you

hp and damage is worth more