h2-builds-and-combat

[low bear]

oh nice

[lament spoke]

i finally got him outside of ephyra <3 hi pookie. i wish your bonuses were more fun

also that levelling up fang wasn't such a ballache. oh well

[last cape]

Unless you take her keepsake

[sweet kettle]

Hey! Anyone know any good builds to get past Eris? I just keep getting wrecked ;-;

[fervent narwhal]

@last cape if you use her keepsake she wont spawn naturally so no

[desert mist]

how do you get Dion to spawn? Never saw him

[stark crane]

tbh activating Death and Lovers is a fun build
it activates the moon, divinity, the queen and judgment
then you get one free card as long as it aint a 3 cost

[fervent narwhal]

@desert mist hes a surface npc so he kinda just exists

[desert mist]

Do i need to make the olympus fountain or something? like 5 runs now where he's just nowhere to be seen

[jolly basalt]

Can we block Prometheus phase transition attacks with xinth omega attack shield?

[last cape]

I have a lot of good common boons, is common bridal glow halfway through thessaly worth or nah?

Prolly not just cuz the low roll is so bad

but my other options are sworn flourish on artemis daggers or nasty comeback 😭

siigh

[timber spear]

which weapon you guys liked the most so far?

[lament spoke]

KNIVES!

[fossil kestrel]

it used to be Sister blades but it might just soon be the Black coat

[lament spoke]

what are you doing for xinth? it feels So slow compared to blades for me (i specifically play artemis mostly if that makes any difference)

[fervent narwhal]

I mean blades are supposed to be the fastest weapon

[jolly basalt]

Spam omega attacks….I’ve seen big numbers(the highest I could get was upto 4.5k w/o Apollo legendary) with aphro on atk and Apollo legendary and weed killer from Demeter

[hexed field]

so I just had a xinth run where the most damage inflicted was from chain lightning lmao

shimmering rockets, wave flourish, static shock and support fire

oh and explosive intent

[lament spoke]

i love chain lighning

[sweet kettle]

Hey I'm having trouble getting past Eris. Does anyone have any weapons or strats that may work?

[hexed field]

there's high damage builds for every weapon, chances are the problem is how you approach the fight

she hits hard so you have to prioritize avoiding damage over dealing it

[sweet kettle]

I'm playing like it's Hades 1 :/

[nova dune]

Hestia dash

[sweet kettle]

She's just to fast for me to get out of the way though. Should I maybe try Helios dash for the speed?

[nova dune]

Hestia dash makes you almost invulnerable in that fight

[sweet kettle]

What's it do?

[nova dune]

It destroys projectiles, a lot of her attacks are projectiles

[agile kraken]

Hide behind the pillars whenever she is about to attack, except for the big single shot. Attack her in between her attacks or using range that goes through the pillars.

What arcana builds are you guys using?

[fervent narwhal]

She has a slow turning radius so always dash behind her

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1249078453949567161/1296489956616966144/image.png?ex=671279dd&is=6711285d&hm=838e6472725069bf2e4fcb1a28713023678bcbe4ff3f07e69a8d3d3af499cdb0& @agile kraken

Feels kinda bad not having rerolls but it gives me everything else i want

[hexed valley]

arcana has changed a lot since ive been gone..

also dont know how to send images so erm

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1296635946829086821/1296635955511296130/image.png?ex=671301d6&is=6711b056&hm=defb0c8ff351bd6f574352dd3339e59abb8261cdf2690303c7af63a3881fdad2&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=704&height=675

[fervent narwhal]

You need to copy the image link

[hexed valley]

got it!

[fervent narwhal]

You're using dd and strength?

[magic moss]

🔥

[hexed valley]

did they change what strength does

[compact nest]

yes. Strength now only works if you have no DDs, but gives a massive buff.

[hexed valley]

i see

[compact nest]

Its intended to be opposites of eachother basically

[fervent narwhal]

So now you basically need to choose if you want a dd setup or strength setup

Its such a good change and gives you more options

[hexed valley]

i think i prefer strength over dd

[fervent narwhal]

Same

[hexed valley]

-50% damage is nuts on its own

[compact nest]

Mathematically once you get like 300+ HP its "better" than having 3 DDS, unless you run into instakill moves basically

[fervent narwhal]

And the +25% is global so its not only on attacks

[hexed valley]

oh awesome

[compact nest]

But man if you are in a bad spot getting low you can start sweating lmao

[hexed valley]

Lol

does toula count towards the DD?

[compact nest]

yes

[hexed valley]

day ruined

[compact nest]

Anything that gives a DD related effect breaks it

[fervent narwhal]

@compact nest only chronos scare me tbh, i bring pin for him but even then if i get hit i wont have time to kill him anyways so idk why i bother using pin

[compact nest]

use artemis and parry the instakill ez

[fervent narwhal]

That works

[compact nest]

it worked for my first ever win so unless it changed lmao

[hexed valley]

not to be that guy, but whats the meta rn? in terms of weapon and aspect

last i remember, it was momus + poseidon special

[compact nest]

momus was gutted basically instantly, fully reworked

[hexed valley]

i feared so

[fervent narwhal]

Idk if its really worked out yet, but people are slowly converting into strenght and then the new weapon is pretty solid

[compact nest]

Meta is unknown currently since the "Best" setup just got reworked semi too, the block was removed from the axe

[magic moss]

meta in terms of speedrun? high fear? what kind

[hexed valley]

this new weapon is really fun

[fervent narwhal]

Pan is pretty good

[compact nest]

People are enjoying the new weapon though and the fact it has a block probably is part of it lmao

[hexed valley]

high fear

[queen elbow]

Has anyone found a good build using aspect of nyx

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1296638678617030716/Z.png?ex=6713045f&is=6711b2df&hm=03280396cef07e4a8d4a14fa51057f780c666157dd4a4747eeddfc264cc96518&

[stark crane]

so I got the Athena boon at roughly 2 rooms before cerbie and by killing myself every room before Chronos, I have gotten +88% damage

[magic moss]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit?usp=sharing

[compact nest]

wait you got athena in mourning fields? Someone was saying it didn't work earlier so i guess he got unlucky lmao

[stark crane]

I got it from Echo

[compact nest]

Ah gotcha. I did that too for double athena

[fervent narwhal]

@compact nest i still love than axe even if i didnt use its block but coat just feels so much more versatile, dont really use the block there either but i still feel like i do more.. aspect of selene might be my favorite on it

[compact nest]

SAME i love selene

[stark crane]

Oh I was runnin death defiances this go around, so I didnt even get the first Athena

[compact nest]

Starting with a hex and being able to bump it up in power makes all the difference vs starting with a zero power bad hex

[fervent narwhal]

I still start with a god keepsake and just take her keepsake the next region

[compact nest]

Could be better, idk i just really like the utility of knowing what my path looks like so i know its not a brick lmao

[cursive oyster]

i like to start moon beam with selene coat, can pick up the triple hit and +50% on hit pos nodes right away

[fervent narwhal]

I just really like aphro attack, its kinda rough getting it without rerolls but i really dont wanna change my arcana, if i get it and its not common it feels very solid, just need to pray to the god of rng(probably dionysus)

[cursive oyster]

given dio’s new keepsake makes sense he would be the god of rng

[compact nest]

i miss the original arcana layout i used to get all the good stuff

[fervent narwhal]

Btw i watched haelian get his keepsake today and he said that we have a new sack rng in speedruns wich was kinda funny to think about

[compact nest]

lowkey true. Now times are decided on when/if it procs theoretically.

If it procs on 3>2>1 its the best possible timesave better than 5>4>3 too.

[fervent narwhal]

@compact nest i finally figured out my new loadout today, sadly rerolls had to go but ill take it, it feels pretty solid(for me)

[cursive oyster]

let’s go gambling!

[fervent narwhal]

50% chance in each room is a lot though but still

[cursive oyster]

i mean the chance of getting all 3 skips is much lower than the chance of a 2 sack

[compact nest]

For strength? I still have 6 rerolls on my setup

[cursive oyster]

you know if i said the major update would reintroduce sack rng remove axe block and make strength meta over death defiances of all cards two weeks ago i would be deemed insane

[compact nest]

Actually i have it on both strength and DD lmao

[fervent narwhal]

@compact nest https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1249078453949567161/1296489956616966144/image.png?ex=671279dd&is=6711285d&hm=838e6472725069bf2e4fcb1a28713023678bcbe4ff3f07e69a8d3d3af499cdb0& ..i gave up trying to fit everything and was like "the rerolls are going im tired"

[compact nest]

Swap strength for DD if swapping but that works too. I love boatman but i just can't justify it

https://i.imgur.com/5oCcjrt.png

[fervent narwhal]

@cursive oyster i wonder if the kast surface region will have something similar to the uniqe ending regions in both h1 and h2.. it kinda has to

[cursive oyster]

probably

[fervent narwhal]

@compact nest i really like boatman though

[compact nest]

Same it lets me buy so much

[hexed valley]

new weapon special + poseidon is nuts

[compact nest]

But rerolls more valuable

[fervent narwhal]

Thats what i thought aswell but playing today with boatman was nice, had some bad runs since i couldnt reroll but it was fine

(at 0f)

The rerolls just took so much from me, now i have everything i care about

[compact nest]

Thats me with boatman. Sometimes i am so rich i never needed the 350, other times i am grateful i have it. But i find myself needing a reroll far more than needing money the way i play with 60% increased enemy density lmao

[fervent narwhal]

I just cant go back now anyways, if i do it will have to be the boons reroll only because i dont wanna lose the cast damage, and then i need to get another arcana i literally wont use just because i would have grasp over otherwise

[hexed valley]

is melinoe supposed to still say "one last stop" when entering the eris fight

[autumn nymph]

what is the little skull that appears next to my head sometimes? i see it mostly when i use omega abilities but im not sure thats the trigger

[lament spoke]

it means you're doing a combo (+ i think can get crit damage)

[fervent narwhal]

You have the death arcana card

I think that was the name?

[autumn nymph]

yup u right

[jolly void]

just reached prometheus, his fight is so much fun

[spring mirage]

Do you all feel like The Sorceress change is messing with your play style?

[fervent narwhal]

I didnt use sorceress ever until this patch

[spring mirage]

That slow was so nice for slowing down and planning dashes

[spare kite]

I used it but played without it for a long time so nah

[steel sequoia]

i didnt changed anything yet and i didnt played for a while so im still a bit confused, im waiting the wikis to go full online again

[spare kite]

30% channel speed just feels much nicer

[loud elm]

hello. the kindred keepsake incantation doesnt show up in my cauldron. ive unlocked the springs and beat hecate. what did i miss ?

[magic moss]

sorceress has become far more flexible and just better overall for high fear runs, cant really say much about low fear

[spare kite]

Sorceress no longer has slowdown but instead 30% channeling speed

[fervent narwhal]

@loud elm unsure wich one you mean

[steel sequoia]

they put the slow in the keepsake right?

[spare kite]

Slowdown was moved to Hecate's keepsake (and nerfed to 2s)
Old hecate is now a well item (and only 500 mp)

[loud elm]

the one which allows me to swap keepsakes between regions

[spring mirage]

Ya but it's just not worth it on a keepsake

[steel sequoia]

30% channeling is good for myself who plays a lot of omegas, i rather this way tbh

[fervent narwhal]

Idk how to unlock but it should become available sooner or later, not that late though dw

[loud elm]

ive beat the final bosses of both areas multiple times

[steel sequoia]

usually you need to gift someone to get a keepsake

[fervent narwhal]

Oh i see

[steel sequoia]

the echo has a backstory if im not mistaken

but usually you nectar people and you get keepsake

[spare kite]

How many runs are you in?

[loud elm]

what im really asking is how do i change my keepsake between regions, is it not through an incantation unlock ?

[loud elm]

83 nights in

[spare kite]

Oh what the hell

[autumn nymph]

so this is giga broken with the candles since you use ur omega constantly

[spare kite]

I assume you have at least one keepsake at 3*?

[loud elm]

yes

[lament spoke]

i think it's only if you like. do different omegas in a row

[spare kite]

It would only apply to your first omega attack after omega special/cast so nah

[steel sequoia]

you mean after a boss? you drink the fountain and change them in the box

[loud elm]

how do i get the box ?

[spare kite]

They don't have the incantation that unlocks that yet, somehow

[steel sequoia]

yeah you need the incantation, or its a bug idk

[loud elm]

only thing here is the fountain

[steel sequoia]

is there an incantation for that? i cant even remember

[spare kite]

What other incantations do you have left?

[sonic pasture]

Has anyone unlocked the new weapon yet? I have no clue where to get the new material required

[jolly basalt]

Take your pickaxe and go the surface

[spare kite]

Pickaxe, surface 3

[sonic pasture]

Gotcha, thanks guys

[jolly basalt]

Whats the best combination to get origination going? Specifically for Nyx's Xinth with launcher frame hammer(25% chance to fire specials automatically whenever you attack)?

[steel sequoia]

i don think there is a reasonable guide yet, people arent that fast to make good content

but you can always solve stuff with hera and demeter

[fervent narwhal]

Mynt has posted some 50f videos with xinth and has a guide being made but idk when its done or how to find it if it is done, have to wait for him to appear in here

[magic moss]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit?usp=sharing closest thing to a high fear "guide" out there and has been for a while

[magic moss]

I'm probably going to work with Mynt, Foolish, and some other 50F runners next week or sometime down the line and revamp the 50F resources branch to also be a guide to high fear

[past salmon]

Xinth guide will be done soon(TM)
I need to write up a few things for it still so probs tomorrow at the earliest (like 10 hours maybe)

[magic moss]

that was passive aggressive

[fervent narwhal]

@jolly basalt ^

[past salmon]

Yeah will hopefully get started on that soonish.

I unfortunately don't have the most spare time ATM but I'll be able to find some probably

[magic moss]

i have a lot of free time next week so ill get started then

[steel sequoia]

im just calmly playing like a silly granny with hurt fingers

[magic moss]

BY THE WAY for those asking about Xinth builds I already have 11 clears up on my sheet with people who have cleared 50F with the weapon on different aspects and the videos for them

Also new requirement, if you clear 51+ fear I will require video evidence. Sorry!

[bleak night]

12 ?

[magic moss]

11 i lied

[bleak night]

Still a lot already lol

[past salmon]

Tempted to do Mel Coat 55F

[meager bramble]

How are we finding Fangs? Worth putting on for lowish Fear, or not until high?

[past salmon]

If you are playing Melee it's not worth it at all

Some of them are absurdly brutal, although having commotion on with it is probably half the reason

[meager bramble]

I haven't played enough yet, but my first impressions are that it's very fun but also pretty nasty

Chronos dash void on mobs I don't expect it on seems like maybe the nastiest

[past salmon]

Birds having that is actually so rude 😭

[tribal wedge]

man scorch is mad busted when you have the right boons from hestia

[sand crow]

Y E A H

[sturdy escarp]

Is scorch sprint not working with the fight with Eris anymore? Someitmes I keep getting hit when i am sprinting

[tribal wedge]

does soot sprint work on eris?

i assumed it didnt

[sturdy escarp]

I know it did 100% before this update

Soot sprint made Eris a cakewalk

[meager bramble]

It absolutely worked before on her standard gunfire

[bleak night]

@past salmon @magic moss what the fk https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1296665673103179776/Athena_bug.mp4?ex=67131d83&is=6711cc03&hm=cee4eea6b8f0498c438856fe8719ff3dba0f85ba4e2825d68911204a860e1ed3&

[magic moss]

never good, only take when doing 50

[meager bramble]

I don't think it worked on the bombs though? Not sure about the pink shot

[limber mauve]

dont ever recall soot sprint working on bombs

[meager bramble]

Good to hear there's consensus 😄

[sturdy escarp]

Never on the bombs. I'm worrid about her standard fire not working sometimes

[magic moss]

XD ERM SKILL ISSUE?

[rain hazel]

How does one use Demeters mana regen? Can't sit still long enough lol

[sand crow]

WHAT

[magic moss]

run to a corner and just let go of everything

[limber mauve]

axe special losing the ability to block makes me sad, dont really find a reason to use it anymore

[tribal wedge]

good on xinth or with cover

[meager bramble]

Does it work while you're blocking?

[limber mauve]

like i could mix it in with regular strikes but i already mix dash strikes instead

[tribal wedge]

i would assume so

[meager bramble]

Doesn't blocking count as using your attacks?

[limber mauve]

do the devs have plans to bring back the axe block as an upgrade or a weapon variant

[wild pine]

I believe the move where she flies across the map shooting on both sides seems to go through soot sprint, but the ones where she stands in place shooting are blocked by it, based on when I seem to get hit

[meager bramble]

Nobody knows more than what's been announced

[limber mauve]

tragic

[tribal wedge]

i doubt it

since they pretty much gave it to xinth

[meager bramble]

Agree, it seems unlikely

[limber mauve]

rip, they gutted an old weapon to give us a new one

[meager bramble]

I dunno - I never liked that old axe Special (not Omega Special) was basically just a tickle

[tribal wedge]

i like the new axe special, especially with siege shredder and a curse on it

[meager bramble]

Now it seems... average, if not great, but improved

[bleak night]

You know what's lovely? Invulnerable screamers

[meager bramble]

I think there shouldn't be any weapons where any of the four basic moves do essentially nothing

[limber mauve]

yeah but even with the tweaked damage now i struggle to find a use for it (except armor shred upgrade)

[tribal wedge]

agreed, i feel like the shield was kinda pointless since it didnt come up instantly and didnt stay til the end of the charge

[limber mauve]

it didnt do nothing though, it blocked shots / some melee attacks

i enjoyed using it, brought some skill expression and gave the slow axe some room to breath when dealing w/ range

[sand crow]

How do y'all build Coat?

[meager bramble]

I think axe Special would be cooler if it was a range option - like, you slam it into the ground and make a directional shockwave

[limber mauve]

compared to the flourish/twirl we have now? absolutely

[tribal wedge]

thats the daggers for me except for on pan, the moveset is kinda underwhelming

[sand crow]

Also I agree, it also served as a way to break the attack combo (which it still does)

[limber mauve]

yeah it still does but id honestly rather use dash attacks now bc the added range is still worse than a normal attack

[limber mauve]

pan is the only dagger in my eyes

[sand crow]

I honestly really like the new reworked Special, it's great for flat damage Boons

[limber mauve]

although the artemis daggers are fun too

[tribal wedge]

yeah they gotta rework the omega attack, it just does not work as the basis for 2 whole aspects

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1296667705679548607/image.png?ex=67131f67&is=6711cde7&hm=424b046e49746aedca7c34b1fd56d8c208e532eeeec9631df47adddf7e683746& 1 MORE NEEDED

[limber mauve]

its a slower dash attack which is wild to me

[tribal wedge]

yeah its pretty much useless 90% of the time

[limber mauve]

also where do you get adamant for the new weapon?

[tribal wedge]

Olympus

[limber mauve]

ah hell

[sand crow]

yeah the new area

[cursive oyster]

i think you mean ah heaven

[tribal wedge]

commonly at the first room and prometheus' room

[limber mauve]

promie busted my balls first time i fought him, the ranged fists were rough on axe

[limber mauve]

real

[bleak night]

Invulnerable screamer taking off 65 of my HP

[tribal wedge]

i get hit by it all the time and if i had my fear on it would probably kill me frequently

but i turned the fear down to grind adamant

[tribal wedge]

i hate screamers they feel so cheap

[sturdy escarp]

prometheus is no joke holy moly

[rugged moon]

i had massive teleporting screamers once... in a tiny room

shudder

Some of the fang options are just ubsurd

[tribal wedge]

did they change the cost of some arcana? after i updated the game i was over the limit, but 2 cards i had on were still activated until i turned them off by accident to rearrange my cards

like the meter was 31/29

then i turned off the cards not noticing

[low bear]

if you haven't played in a while then yes

[low bear]

invul is such an annoying buff who came up with this lol

[agile kraken]

thoughts on this arcana build? https://imgur.com/a/YUus9Cd

[bleak night]

for which weap

[agile kraken]

I plan to use it with coat for today

[bleak night]

Looks pretty good, yeah

Strength is fun, honestly. Just having damage out of the gate

[sand crow]

Ooh, question... does Splash Fount combo with Momus?

[bleak night]

I think just once?

[sand crow]

ahhh, might not be worth it then

[winged wadi]

Anyone have any tips for the new boss?
I do make it too him often but he literally knocks my death defiance's down so quick

over all the surface feels way harder

[bleak night]

Which part of the boss gives you trouble

[tribal wedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1127725479818952876/1296688420479041556/image.png?ex=671332b2&is=6711e132&hm=cd3498f3bc398c2d468ef68932c5a8d232367a28ba91096869887c964e274822& zeus is surpringly powerful on coat special

he hard carried

even without his more necessary blitz boons

[spare kite]

He has necessary blitz boons?

[tribal wedge]

yeah like that one that stops blitz from just expiring

[agile kraken]

does lucky tooth and cat revive work with new strength?

[willow phoenix]

Nope

[sand crow]

How does one build Nyx Coat?

[bleak night]

@magic moss @past salmon @tall notch https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1296696560062828664/GET_REFLECTED_STOOPID.mp4?ex=67133a47&is=6711e8c7&hm=e26b5ccaccb86626b06e8a7f81c52cfcaf21a6f086861ed1b63b5eb0020fbdf8& LMFAO

[tall notch]

What am I looking at 😭

[sand crow]

I forgot to gift Athena a nectar when I met her so I can't get her Keepsake

[tall notch]

Stop Mynt that's not okay

[jovial cove]

I got the new weapon
I now see why they removed the shield from the axe

not sure what uncharged axe special is good for now but coat is very fun

[unborn pollen]

what is best for jet pack?

[willow phoenix]

How do you guys build circe? I find the aspect to not be that interesting or powerful but would love to find otherwise.

[magic moss]

if you dont have rapid thrasher its not even worth trying to play the aspect, momus is just strictly better

[past salmon]

does new sorceress not help?

[magic moss]

it does, but it also buffs momus significantly

you can get ocast and oattack down in the same time you do like 3 oattacks with circe and momus just deals more damage

circe also has a restriction on effect, momus doesnt

[subtle cape]

Any tips for miss strife?
She keeps beating my ass as of late. I know staying close usually wins the fight but I still get clipped by an attack often and die or lose the run if I win

[junior wasp]

anyone else struggling alot after the sorceress change? i was cruising on 16 heat before now im literally dropping it down to 0. also are the new surface area monsters overtuned?

[fervent narwhal]

I havent used it ever until this patch so no, i love the faster omegas

[past salmon]

sorceress change is one of my favourites of the patch
Channel speed goes hard

[rugged moon]

At higher fears most weapons were already dropping sorceress and just going for regular attack spam cause was just better anyway. New sorceress has a bunch of uses honestly. Is mostly just gonna be a learning curve for people who used for crutch and a nerf to the few weapons who really wanted it

[subtle cape]

Sorceress makes you think about when to channel so I think it's okay

[rugged moon]

Just gotta play a little safer. Use cast more to root enemies

[glossy rivet]

ayo purging hera's rarifying boons boon make it stop degrading for no downside

[glossy rivet]

why wont raki and hecuba show up aaaaah

also is my game bugged if i dont get an option for the pool of purging incantation?

[glossy rivet]

i mean i havent confirmed it but i assume her boons timer is what makes the boon rarity to go down but selling it keeps the heroic rarity change

[analog osprey]

any recommendations for a magick regen boon anything that works while channeling torch omega attack that costs 13 magick/attack

[unique grotto]

the same thing is happening to me. first run it worked fine but then now it doesnt work

[willow phoenix]

Scorch sprint has always been kind of inconsistent for me. Even the description doesn't really guarantee anything

[analog osprey]

it seems like soot sprint either has a limit on projectiles it can destroy OR an internal cooldown

im leaning towards internal cooldown slower than eris's fast burst

[glossy rivet]

it used to never fail against eris' bullets

[willow phoenix]

Nah even from the first patch it had moments where it fails

It was part of the reason why I stopped using it against eris way back when the game first launched

[unique grotto]

i see

what do u do against eris instead

[analog osprey]

dodging through her

or timing good dodges

[unique grotto]

LMAO

[glossy rivet]

does toasting fork improve only expired blitz or also activated blitz? i had heroic toasting fork and its 150% damage

[analog osprey]

i assume only expired blitz

[willow phoenix]

Hit and run works most of the time. Eris has a lot of downtime. The only dangerous part is the shotgun blast has little tell so you need to be careful if she hasn't attacked in a while.

She also can't shoot backwards so her back is always safe

[dense valley]

This^ , always stick close to her imo

[lusty heron]

so which of the new weapons aspect seems the most fun/strongest ?

[dense valley]

Selene aphro world collider

[past salmon]

dunno about strongest but Selene is my fav

[analog osprey]

selene being autotargeting orbital death ray is fun

[dense valley]

Theres also another build i enjoyed a lot, hestia attack, dash strike to apply scorch, demeter cast, freezer burn, ill have to look for the end screen image but freezer burn did almost 90k

This is on aspect of mel

[analog osprey]

oh ye aspect of mel fun for punching nonstop

[dense valley]

Just faster dash strike in general

Didnt use the puches much

[hollow crypt]

I just tried the Axe Special, 3 quick strikes in succession makes for pretty nice Poseidon application
Charon is still better tho

[lusty heron]

yeah my first run was mel with scorch attack and steam

but was kinda akward with pos on special

[dense valley]

Launcher frame is the way to go

I dont really see myself either going for the omega specials cuz it leave you open a lot

One setup im yet to try is demeter attack, zeus special, launcher frame and their duo

Contant blitz application

[devout ermine]

on mel aspect?

[dense valley]

Yeah probably

[analog ether]

I think the overall setup that I've come to enjoy for the coat is Aphro attack and gain, with Hestia cast. Getting the duo is ideal, but not strictly necessary.

And then just whatever else I come across.

[dense valley]

Yeah that sounds nice, its a very versatile weapon, a lot of stuff just works

[devout ermine]

im currently working on going for this to try it out since it seems strong as hell

i have the dem atk, zeus special, and launcher frame- now to get the duo

[dense valley]

Ayy lesgo

Post the end stats once u finish the run, im curious to see

[devout ermine]

that assumes i can win, im not the greatest at this game -3-

• its a surface run

got the duo les go

[dense valley]

You got this in the bag easy done

[glossy rivet]

is it just me or the rockets from coat omega sometimes disappear

[dense valley]

Nah they just take a while to reach their target, they go around everywhere first

[devout ermine]

coming back to this, this is actually incredible

[dense valley]

Hell yeah!

I cant wait to try it when im back home

[devout ermine]

its also really fun to use, too- you'll love it

[dense valley]

So wishing i had a steam deck right now T-T

[devout ermine]

going into eris now, at 10 minutes into the run kek

[dense valley]

Imo i think the boss dmg should be good too

[devout ermine]

hhhhhhhhhhhh lost to eris

:(

[dense valley]

Thats alright , more you play better you get

[devout ermine]

i need to upgrade aspect of mel on coat but that requires getting to zone 3 on surface and thats hard :(

[warped egret]

Anyone have arcana layouts for all tje new changes? 😭

[dense valley]

aspect of pan or circe are pretty good as you can keep your distance with them

use those to get to olympus

[dense valley]

just gotta experiment there, no one loadout fits all

[desert mist]

do the split up primary attacks from the aspect of Nyx Nightshade do more damage? i can never tell

[meager bramble]

Xinth build recs?

Starting Moon Beam with Selene seems very fun but past that I'm not sure

[past salmon]

Zeus!

[devout ermine]

the one billa suggested and that i tried out is very strong

[jovial cove]

yeah zeus, that dash attack is amazing

[past salmon]

Zeus kinda just slaps on all of the Coat aspects

I also reccomend trying Death Arcana on Selene! iTs quite fun cycling Omegas

Also Apollo attack O-Attack is hilariously large

[meager bramble]

Zeus where? Attack?

[past salmon]

Special and static shock

[meager bramble]

Death Arcana's a great idea

[tough pasture]

"WE ARE SO BACK!"

[jovial cove]

also nyx seems like it would be good for crowd control

[tough pasture]

Fellas, what is the black coat? Is that the new weapon?

[rain hazel]

Which coat aspect are yall preferring?

[desert mist]

is there a place here where people show off their arcana sets? kinda stuck trying to make other builds

[gray silo]

Hi ! I'm new to this server but I wanted to ask someone about this. Is it me or the mobs from the rift of Thessaly are a tad harder since the recent big update?

[rain hazel]

I assumed I was just getting back into the rhythm and learning not having slow time, but enemies do seem a bit chunkier.

[dense valley]

ive sent 2 builds just scroll up a bit

[devout ermine]

thinking about moros ygnium again- any specific builds? i tend to get lost trying to concoct cool stuff

[brittle scroll]

hera attack+zeus special is very nice on moros

[devout ermine]

i will keep that in mind :3

[willow phoenix]

Zeus special melts everything with moros

[gray silo]

At least they seem to hit harder than before but maybe it's me

[willow phoenix]

They seem samey to me. The devs do mention adjustments to the mobs there because of the addition of olympus, dunno if that's meant to nerf or buff them.

[gray silo]

Well Olympus is hard (with reason, it's the last map) but in that case I wouldn't expect them to make the rift of Thessaly harder nor easier. Just keep it the way they are

[brittle scroll]

there's one more map after Olympus i'm sure

[desert mist]

Only have Mel's Xinth aspect at Rank 2 but god man it's so much fun

[gray silo]

Yeah ? Is it confirmed?

[brittle scroll]

you can go up after beating Prometheus

[desert mist]

Poseidon missles with Zeus primary shreds especially if you have Slippery Slope with Origination

[willow phoenix]

Why not swap and do poseidon attack

[desert mist]

Missles are more fun with Poseidon

[glossy rivet]

skyfall rng when it offers hex applies atk boon and also sometimes randomly apply to enemies for muh origination life support

[zenith kelp]

Xinth Coat doesn't even show up for me, do I need to unlock something before it reveals itself to me?

[visual flume]

you need to unlock it with resources from the third surface area

[zenith kelp]

Its not revealing itself to me, I started a new save so I need to know how do I get it to reveal itself

Oh, okay.

Basically play the game and mine stuff in the third area

[uncut walrus]

the room after beating prometheus hints that there's some bigger fish to fry

we're probably going to fight typhon soon, it makes most sense in the mythos

[gray silo]

Damn

[fervent narwhal]

I think the roadmap mentions it too

[surreal hazel]

The lore points in that final room and elsewhere hint that something big is climbing up

[zenith kelp]

What happened to the card that slowed down time during your omega charges?

[spare kite]

Changed to Hecate's keepsake

New sorc adds channeling speed, old hecate keepsake moved to charon well

[zenith kelp]

I guess it was way too strong 😭

[tulip sonnet]

olympus is cool i think but also dying to the shooty ones is not fun.

[spare kite]

The turrets are so painful

[glossy rivet]

coat special zeus or pos?

[spare kite]

I like zeus special cuz the slightly higher base dmg (and I think pom scaling too?)

[desert mist]

Loving Poseidon special on it and Zeus on primary

So how does one use the Athena keepsake

Feels super risky if you're not building around it

[spare kite]

Join the strength arcana gang

[willow phoenix]

Use strength arcana

[spare kite]

Just turn off eternity

[willow phoenix]

Trust me if you're not running high fears, strength feels so good.

[spare kite]

For eternity, her keepsake seems more like "I NEED DD REFILLS NOW*

[desert mist]

Ah yeah I wanted to upgrade that, unfortunately I am out of Moon Dusts

How does an Arcana set look like if you're using Strength anyway? Still struggle with building those

[compact nest]

Literally just minus dd + strength

They are basically opposites. Same cost

[desert mist]

I should reiterate, what is a good general arcana set because I am garbage at building them. Like say for Origination, which carsd would I want aside from Origination?

[magic moss]

it actually loops back around at 51+ to be strength is op

[past salmon]

lol

[brittle scroll]

is there a better boon combo then hera+zeus for medea skull?

[fervent narwhal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1249078453949567161/1296489956616966144/image.png?ex=6713229d&is=6711d11d&hm=1a521826d803be9fa2256531830ae88b1199d21f115bb98c2065b84e1bba018a& @desert mist i quite like this one, if you want rerolls you can remove boatman and the furies/fates (i always mix them up but the cast damage)

[desert mist]

Sorry, this is for Origination right?

[fervent narwhal]

Strenght.. it still has origination in it though

[dense valley]

the dog is in the fields of mourning right?

[fervent narwhal]

Yes

[dense valley]

any specific room?

[fervent narwhal]

Echos, always

[past salmon]

Hera Zeus is probs the optimal atm.
Aphro Zeus is fine too tho

Apollo is probs okayish ig maybe

[fervent narwhal]

Oh i got what you meant now if you asked if this was for origination

[desert mist]

Gotcha sorry I still havent memorized the card names and locations

[brittle scroll]

Got it, thank you!

[fervent narwhal]

Neither have i dont worry

[glossy rivet]

whats the deal with nyx coat? non omega spam?

[past salmon]

Special spam
Haha funny

[glossy rivet]

can boons apply from the nightspawn strikes?

[past salmon]

No

[glossy rivet]

what kind of build do i do with nyx coat then i thought its for poseidon special spam

[fervent narwhal]

Aphro attack never fails

[glossy rivet]

i used aphro atk on selene it was nice
but is aphro gain kinda mid rn

[past salmon]

I mean it's fine
You can put like anything on the special I think

My Nyx 50F was Hera special spam

[desert mist]

Is the Coat Omega Attack ever worth it for damage? Doesn't seem that helpful especially compared to the special and omega special

[fervent narwhal]

Ive seen it have some ridiculous numbers

[glossy rivet]

world collider aphro on selene coat seems fine to me

[past salmon]

I had it as my top damaging move in my Selene 50F. The block is also better than people give it credit for imo.

It can hit very hard with world collider

[desert mist]

Which one is that again?

[glossy rivet]

100+ power on full charge Oatk

[desert mist]

Oh a Hammer I think I remember it

[fervent narwhal]

@past salmon saw haelian trying to build around it yesterday and it looked a little unreliable at times but it seems like some things still hit you if you're to close, will get fixed over time ofc

[glossy rivet]

whats the good gain boons rn
so far zeus and hera still works good for me, charon axe works good with apollo gain, idk about the other gods, demeter kinda ok

[past salmon]

Hestia is good on a lot of things

[glossy rivet]

does aphro gain go faster with multiple enemies or is it just gonna be that slow all the time

hestia gain works best with rapid hits right

[past salmon]

Aphro gain sucks imo, it's just good for the free weak apply

[fair dove]

real, i always try n get soot sprint on surface runs bc it is SUCH a lifesaver against eris

[steel sequoia]

allright made my 16 run with staff, phase shift and static shock are busted

[rocky birch]

anyone got any use out of the nyx aspect? doesn’t seem to rlly do much? The extra attack doesn’t do anything other than for aoes, and I can’t seem to find much use in the missiles either

[steel sequoia]

yeah i think its just bad, maybe with a meme sprint focused run

[fair dove]

was gonna ask which of the aspects ppl were liking more yea, consensus seems to be selene rn

[cursive gate]

I think it could work with melee aspects, but maybe the default rate of regen needs to be increased

Horrible with staff though, one of the most unfun runs I've had recently

[rocky birch]

yea it doesn’t seem to work with any boons it just seems rlly weak

[steel sequoia]

i do not use mana in staff at all, just made a 16 run punching, people use it like that https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1296817872550629427/20241018094403_1.jpg?ex=6713ab42&is=671259c2&hm=1a3dafb4ccbce404ac1d08295bdeecea4b256a76c460950275f2b942213b89ae&

[steel sequoia]

maybe a beach ball or heph sprint with heartrob and duo

[potent cipher]

Does Strenght tarot require you to not have any deathd efiances in the first place, or does it also worrk once all death defiances are depleted?

[brittle scroll]

you just have to use all your dd for it to work

[spare kite]

As long as it shows 0 dds it works

[potent cipher]

alrightl, thanks!

[rocky birch]

I was hoping the attack bursts and missiles would damage the same enemy you’re aiming at, so it’s burst damage style build, but the nightspawns seem to rlly do very little

[steel sequoia]

yeah nightspawns looks just awful

[compact nest]

Also i don't really see how that fits nyx at all

IDK what would fit nyx, but it sure as hell isn't "lmao my punches and rockets split into 2"

[steel sequoia]

game is EA after all, they should rework it somehow

[tulip sonnet]

DIVINE DASH MY BELOVED

oh prometheus i'm definitely going to enjoy beating him into a pulp

[summer seal]

Other than Selene start, what have you guys been finding works well for Xinth Aspect of Selene? Hammers and boons

[compact nest]

Basically everything tbh.

Prefer to go attack since 99% of the time the "scales with your attack boon" is in the web tree

[spare kite]

Hera attack into the hex uses your attack my veloved

[compact nest]

There isn't really a bad hammer besides maybe shimmering rockets(rockets bounce). But highly prefer the attack ones. The "Best" rocket one would probably be the one that stacks damage each rocket hit on the same enemy

[summer seal]

Makes sense, spamming attack omega in that case I assume to get the hex ready?

[tulip sonnet]

oh right there's a new weapon! how do you get xinth

[compact nest]

I only omega attack if i need to block or after the hex is ready. I just take every regen in the web tree so i get like +3 recharge/second and then UNLOAD when hex fires off.

Does like 1500-2400 per hit lmao

[spare kite]

Death arcana with selene is fun tbh

[compact nest]

I want to take the one arcana card that recharges hex naturally but i can't justify it. Unseen is too expensive. 2 mana for cast damage if im not using cast is useless, death is horrible but maybe its good with selene

[spare kite]

Is mostly value for bosses

[summer seal]

What arcana are you running Ice?

[compact nest]

Not even mentioning i'd have to DROP something to get one of those cards

[spare kite]

O.special deals with rooms well enough w/o it

[compact nest]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/9j2C042vW5VdPwOoUXRjmqzENcBRly7HSQMQjLHxwcQ/https/i.imgur.com/5oCcjrt.png?format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1063&height=597

Image from yesterday, basically my standard build just swap strength for DD depending on what i want to run.

[spare kite]

Huntress with selene?

[compact nest]

oh yeah death is 3 grasp, thats also why i don't run it WAY too expensive

[compact nest]

I almost never change my arcana so its just default even if not 100% optimal

[spare kite]

Ah fair, you can fit death if you turn off huntress and heal then lol

[compact nest]

but i like my heal 😦

[spare kite]

Or if running surface I turn off artificer

[compact nest]

Articifer is goated on surface though because you get to get rid of the useless rewards on boats

[spare kite]

It still has value but is later in the run so eh

[compact nest]

True its not instant rewards though

[spare kite]

Yeah by the boat I don't mind the minor rewards in my case

Ephyra is a funny biome

[compact nest]

Oh yeah i remember now i usually turn off sorceress + swift runner to get the +30% damage in cast arcana, but this lets me activate epic boons if i go DD.

[thick knoll]

finally got 1 clear

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1237413291119083550/1296824172210688114/image.png?ex=6713b120&is=67125fa0&hm=27451d23af51aa014a548c1b0bab24cb2f64faa3d287024452e5fc22ceffd062&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=687&height=386

[spare kite]

Gaming

[compact nest]

gz

[thick knoll]

this time omega attack had use just charged up so fast and hit for so much damage that it was worth using

[spare kite]

Wait first clear in general or with axe

[compact nest]

probably first prom clear

[spare kite]

Oh I'm dumb lmfao

[compact nest]

Since it doesn't have a time below it for best record

[spare kite]

Didn't notice what route it was

[thick knoll]

first clear against new boss

[spare kite]

I still see that screen and think of chronos only

[thick knoll]

did axe before patch against chronos multiple tiems

[steel sequoia]

we should suggest a different UI screen for chronos

[thick knoll]

i feel that will end up a decorative theme like they did with hades 1

you know something to spend couple of thousands bones in or something

on a other note any use of those 2 new keepsakes?

[spare kite]

Athena has really solid options overall, pairs better with strength runs
Dio's is pretty much for saving time

[thick knoll]

hmmm yeah could see dio being used in speedruns

as for athena im not sure no death defiance makes it a hard sell to me

[spare kite]

Can't wait to lose a wr cuz it didn't proc

[spare kite]

You should try a strength run really, 50% dmg reduction and some global for all the run is fun

[thick knoll]

especially on surface runs i want those death defiance

[left sentinel]

just coming back to Hades 2 - how's the new weapon, and any particular blessings to watch for? Seems pretty unique vs what we had previously

[spare kite]

Zeus works really well

[thick knoll]

our titan of forsight hits pretty hard but his insta kill move i want those defiances for especially the second one takes to long right now im taking notes

[left sentinel]

his blitz for normal attack, or does he have a beneficial range in general?

[spare kite]

I run strength on surface too

[thick knoll]

respect man

[spare kite]

I like it on special cuz higher base dmg but either works, static shock and cast really in general too

[thick knoll]

how are you dealing with that move of his first 1 is only 3 but second one is 5 times remembering where you need to stand still which is pretty dificult

[spare kite]

Can do either and fill with pos on other other, or zeus special and a % attack

[spare kite]

I record the patterns lmao

[thick knoll]

also pause screen and take note?

[spare kite]

Yeah

I ain't dealing with my own memory

[left sentinel]

Ive heard that recommended a few times tbh. It seems like a very valid way to do it

[thick knoll]

just wait until they patch it that he removes pause option for it

[left sentinel]

but failing that, trying to remembber the safe zone (ie top, mid, bottom) versus the unsafe zones

[spare kite]

They aren't repeating the chronos thing after removing it lmfao

[thick knoll]

lets hope no way im dealing with it otherwise

well got 8 nightmare again time to decide what to invest it in

[spare kite]

#h2-feedback message

@bill.dc wdym with this?

Why did that not work

@serene flame

[lament spruce]

So, could someone explain what Nightspawn is on the Black Coat?

[spare kite]

Your attack/special creates copies when hitting enemies while nightspawn is up

[serene flame]

i use xbox controller, when i stand in front of the door, I can not use up (as search what can I get from this god), is show up a red cross X

[spare kite]

Ohhh, you may have alerted one of the enemies in the lobby probably? And now the game treats it as being mid encounter

And bc of that you can't open the book

[serene flame]

Im not really sure... but maybe (I hear nothing so maybe there are zombie enemy that I do not know)

[glossy rivet]

OK so i dont think that the nightspawn from nyx special spreads curses but does it benefit from power or % damage boost?

[spare kite]

It should

[thick knoll]

well time to give torches and skulls another try

moros was best right anybody some boons to reccomend?

[pastel orbit]

kinda vague question from a more casual player, but does anyone have tips on getting used to the sorceress change? i didn't realize how much i relied on it until it was gone and i would like to not rely on the silver wheel forever but the learning curve has been Very Steep

[thick knoll]

use omega moves less

[regal sparrow]

in general, why/when should I use Omega Cast? (assuming I dont have a boon for OCast specifically)

[spare kite]

kinda never

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1296843484963274762/image.png?ex=6713c31d&is=6712719d&hm=85ab8dfa026bfe7255835b6011b5828da638ef788fff99c396d11a29cd8fe03d& @serene flame if you copy the link for the img you can post here
But also hmmm, can you clear a room then go back and see if it lets you open the book?

[glossy rivet]

does mel coat increase omega attack charge speed?

[steel sequoia]

spam Charon and try doing special from a safe distance, you cast and then dash special, when you get the timming you should be better

[kindred jasper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1178078396308279338/1296847476929855530/Screenshot_2024-10-18_174730.png?ex=6713c6d4&is=67127554&hm=8cbe702b9987b89b431bcd0fe8d597c39a5af242829c021b1ab2c0c95979d3bf&
should i replace wave flourish with sworn flourish in this machine gun special build im doing

[steel sequoia]

if you dont have a boon than its useless, its better to snare enemies with just cast

[atomic bridge]

Was never big into specific builds but I didn't realize till now an apollo/hephestus build with the aspect of pan knives was so BUSTED im gonna have fun w this

[fringe pasture]

new weapon... good...

like

[atomic bridge]

im so close to getting it i cant wait to see what it does

[fringe pasture]

it is very silly and I mean that in the best way possible

[atomic bridge]

oh i like me a silly weapon

[somber pecan]

Staff: Aspect of Momus is pretty broken with the daedalus hammer that makes omega casts pop 3 times, my cast pops 6 times, now im looking for the apollo cast

beams of sunny death forever, if i can get the augment that makes my casts grow in size...

[spare kite]

Doesn't work with prominence flare no

[hard geyser]

Does Hestia legendary work against Prometheus fire?

[agile kraken]

What are your guys arcana builds? I'm curious to try some other peoples builds and see how they work.

[rugged moon]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xsSYQjn8Giab9z8OjhWXWzGDuwNEt3fvTVG3NxYzae0/edit?usp=sharing

these are the common arcana for 50f for each weapon

[high lion]

Did they make surface harder like i havent played since july before this but it felt like its gotten harder even thessally although that feels weird because ive been getting circe so often

So i skip charobyis

[fickle glade]

Eos is such a good melee weapon after the Omega Special. Pop those ghosts with speed

[warped egret]

Might be because of the arcana and weapon changes just making surface feel harder?

[fickle glade]

it's the damage. You have to make less wrong decision, because the enemy has AOE, tons of damage, plus they are heavily crowded. Even not having any Fear

Don't do it fast enough = good bye DD in a single room

[warped egret]

Yea surface has always been harder but they were saying it feels harder since the last time

Did they actually rework surface rooms? I didnt think so

[fickle glade]

they surely reworked Eris. You can lose 2 DDs with her bullets. If you even lose 1 on the ship stage, the Olympus is hell to you

[pseudo pond]

what's the best cast for aspect of charon?

still apollo?

[steel sequoia]

demeter i believe

[pseudo pond]

I see, thx

[thick knoll]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1237413291119083550/1296867534439579749/image.png?ex=6713d982&is=67128802&hm=8cb88bf53b6061fd7af394e9c25f04fa6cf25715e97109dd10a53cf533af9bdb&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1177&height=662

skull run finished

aspect of persephone fellt real strong really liked zeus cast and hera special and chronos learned to respect mom he died pretty fast

now im not sure if i should level this one up or pick a torch aspect

[steel sequoia]

my fav aspects are charon, persephone and eos, if you like casts more than punching you probably will enjoy charon and persephone a lot.

[thick knoll]

eh thing with charon is its a axe and i already have thanatos maxed

[steel sequoia]

they are totally different playstyle tho

charon is an cast focused

[thick knoll]

yes but i meant i have nightmare already put in there want to recover it a bit with other weapons too

[steel sequoia]

i understand, just clarifying

[fickle glade]

Charon just used mix with Poseidon/Apollo Omega and a nice Spreading status Cast.

[steel sequoia]

some people like omega casts, other people like punching with blades and staff. and there some crazy people who likes medea

[thick knoll]

but thinking about nightmare if i should invest in torches, skull or the new weapon

[summer seal]

New weapon aspect of Selene is a pretty fun and unique playstyle

[fickle glade]

the new weapon is more for OP run

[serene flame]

i has do what you said, but not work 💀

[thick knoll]

hmm seeing its the hype now i might go
selene cloak>persephone skull>torches not sure if i should go aspect of eos or moros yet

[fickle glade]

Plus on the surface you can't buy back your DD since it's replaced with Hermes shop

[compact nest]

Some new boat maps were added im pretty sure

And i believe reduced enemy counts in the city though i can't confirm that. Just feels like a LOT less bird/zombie swarm

[warped egret]

They just added dd to the pool and im soo grateful for it

[kindred jasper]

anyone got good ideas for a build with the new weapon?

[obsidian dagger]

Splash Flourish Xinth is good

[pseudo pond]

any viable build on reworked thanatos? feels like the design doens't make much sense

it needs normal attack to build up crit

and cirt only works on alpha attack

most hybrid build feels clunky as hell

and I can't seem to make it work

[compact nest]

Thats the neat part - you ignore the crit because its useless

You use it for the 30% attack speed

[pseudo pond]

so, only the attack speed is useful, bruh

[thick knoll]

if you get certain hammers to charge it up i feel like thanatos omega can be usefull

with hera attack and demeter on cast

[compact nest]

To be fair, 30% attack speed is incredibly powerful - its even a hammer

[pseudo pond]

the design philosophy behind this is so bad

[compact nest]

But yeah ever since they made the crit omega only that part is worthless IMO

[thick knoll]

certain hammers make it do a lot of damage and charge fast i like it then

also pretty usefull to get rid of guys in demeter cast

but if you dont get certain hammers and a good ammount of health then yes thanatos omege isnt the most usefull

[magic moss]

this is like only true above 40 im ngl, and even then with the new sorceress changes i think the mortality is actually pretty good

[pseudo pond]

kinda feels like the change was made just to nerf this aspect but didn't intend to make it actually viable

[thick knoll]

so aspect of eos or moros?

[magic moss]

in tems of what

[thick knoll]

thinking of what to invest nightmare in and play when i play torch

[magic moss]

do you care about pushing fear, if yes then moros is stronger, if no then it doesnt matter

[magic moss]

i actually currently hold the opinion that soreress changes made using thanatos omegas more viable

[compact nest]

Against who? The slowdown is 1000% more viable than any omega charge speed outside of the hammer one

Maybe against chronos without the slowdown invocation

[pseudo pond]

the combo just doesn't feel super synergistic, but I will look into it

[thick knoll]

thanks will pick that for torches then after i levelled and played selene gundam suit and mother skulls

[magic moss]

the faster channel times means you're able to weave in omega moves between wave spawns much easier to utilize and can melt through hordes or elites before they can really spawn in

[compact nest]

And you could do that too with sorceress, even better since you could do it after the wave spawns too lmao

[thick knoll]

on aspect of selene do you use selene keepsake to level the hex up then go hera keepsake in zone 2 for her on atk?

[magic moss]

i mean sure but time slow eats through timer

you're effectively getting the same utilization out of the arcana but with a strict benefit of not having to burn through time

it gives you something to do during the downtime between waves

[compact nest]

I go aphro or apollo attack. Sometimes posiedon. You don't get much value from applying hitch on the hex and the % is weak

[thick knoll]

And selene keepsake to level it up?

[compact nest]

At the very start of the run yes

Prefer to get the one that stacks 50% damage every time the hex hits in a row > attack boon scaling as major nodes

Additional times hit > hex regen 2~ times >10 power for minor node priority. Ignore the 5% damage on omega attack ones if possible, not worth unless required to get the two major nodes mentioned above.

[summer seal]

Just curious Ice, what mana regen gain do you generally aim for on Selene?

[compact nest]

Hestia >>>>>>> basically everything else. Only ones i actively avoid are demeter/apollo

Though apollo is takeable if you had to

Hestia procs mana back on every single missile which is nuts

[thick knoll]

Wouldnt hera be good too

[summer seal]

Nice, can go for hestia gain and sprint for surface in that case. Because Eris is absolutely not fun

[compact nest]

Its ok, not better than hestia though

[thick knoll]

Ok

And cast?

[compact nest]

While you are highly unlikely to ever get to a point where you can't do your omega attack, there are a lot of new things that prime mana/add mana cost to your omega and you NEED to be able to do omega attack.

Cast doesn't really matter, whatever you get. Preferably not hestia cast cause scorch is useless on your build.

Demeter is peak if you can get it for free AOE freeze but aphro is fine too, or zeus or basically anyone.

I do like hera cast though for the explosions but can't guarantee it

[plucky cave]

btw for people struggling with Prometheus' memory fire attack, I've found it easier to memorize my movements instead of which spaces are free
for example: start middle, stay, up, down, stay

if you move to the safe zone of the first wave, there's only 4 things to memorize instead of 5

[thick knoll]

Hera sucks people in too also nice bonus

[faint spear]

Does anyone have advice on how to build skulls? I've tried all 3 aspects, and none of them really seem to work well for me. I like to play whatever weapon currently has Grave Thirst, so I want to at least have 1 aspect I can enjoy.

[compact nest]

Medea aspect is great and my favorite.

Aphro special + blitz attack is the classic. Load 1 shell at a time , special over an enemy repeat until enemy is dead.

I like aphro special + attack and just omega dashing across the entire room with 3x shells clearing it.

Demeter special + aphro attack is decent as well as having safety.

[regal sparrow]

uuuh Master Conductor says chain lightning can bounce back to you, that doesnt mean they do self damage, right?...

[compact nest]

no, just makes you a valid target to bounce. without a target to bounce off it does nothing, but with you its damage>you>damage again

Basically helps vs single target

[faint spear]

Got it. Have enough nightmare lying around to fully upgrade it (only skull aspect which isn't currently, sitting at rank 3), so I'll give that a shot later.

[regal sparrow]

nice, ty

[thick knoll]

i just did a run i say aspect of persephone try to get apho special, zeus cast and a good mana regen

really shreds most rooms and bosses

[faint spear]

Persephone was my go-to, main issue I run into is I could never seem to get a good charge on it even with Zeus cast. Might try giving it another shot again.

[compact nest]

i personally hate Persephone and don't recommend it but you may have better luck

[thick knoll]

i like it was a fun run

[young bloom]

i fear xinth is my new favorite weapon

[thick knoll]

gundam main

[faint spear]

I've been having a lot of fun with Nyx on Xinth. Run into enemies and then spam attack

[compact nest]

I had fear the 6th weapon was gonna be some ass weapon that doesn't fit the game. But oh boy it doesn't fit the game but it is STRAIGHT GAS

[young bloom]

its like a combo of shield + gauntlets

[thick knoll]

use omega cast wait a bit then use special
helps if you get some more good boons from zeus

[thick knoll]

and rockets

[young bloom]

fr!!

[thick knoll]

[faint spear]

Had a run yesterday on it where all of my hammers were special-oriented, but still stuck with attack. Idk why but the rockets just don't feel as good to use

[thick knoll]

its ways away but i am really looking forward to what they will think of as hidden aspect for it

[faint spear]

I will say that it's the only weapon where I feel inclined to get a Hermes boon (Nitro Boost)

[regal sparrow]

bruuh I just picked up freezer burn and next boon I pick is forcing me to replace either attack or cast which i use to apply freeze and scorch respectively ...

[thick knoll]

eh reroll i guess

[regal sparrow]

can't

(and I only have these 2 options, presumably because of vow of denial)

[thick knoll]

rip

[regal sparrow]

hmmm is there a way for me to see which boons I already have denied? I can see the zeus ones since im in the zeus boon screen, but id like to check which status effect i'll have an easier time replacing

[spare kite]

Codex shows forsaken'd boons iirc

Tho bad luck if you are in the boon menu still

[regal sparrow]

aaarghhh you open that with C, right? does nothing

[spare kite]

Yeah still not fan of that change lol

[regal sparrow]

it used to be openable?..

[spare kite]

In h1

Now you can only open the codex for the god you currently are choosing from

For patch 1 you couldn't even open that lol

[agile kraken]

is judgement usable in serious runs or is it just a meme?

[obtuse cape]

So I found my new favorite build.

It's Exceptional Talent Nyx with Shimmering Rockets.

The amount of Obnoxious aoe burst it can do is really hilarious.

I just dash around the room, trigger boost, nuke the entire room.

[agile kraken]

Also is there any way with judgement to get all 25 arcana active? The best I can theorycraft is 24 once the final area for above ground is added.

[regal sparrow]

ok I posted about this #h2-feedback , I hope they fix this in time to finish the run xdd

[spare kite]

Use circe's keepsake to activate judgement in hecate instead

[safe holly]

I just came back to the game after having not played for quite a while what are sm enjoyable / good builds rn?

[spare kite]

Wait can you still have 15+ cards chosen actually lol with 30 grasp

[faint spear]

In 53 fear, it's pretty solid since you already have limited grasp (at least from what I understand)

[plucky cave]

it's not even fully remappable which makes me want to cry

[obtuse cape]

New weapon, build pretty much anything with it. It's very fun and fairly strong in anyway it's built.

Strongest builds focus on either Selene combos or Nyx shenanigans with Special.

In general, Exhaust Riser is overall the go to hammer that fits in any build and is in general very strong and most of the hammers in general are stronger than average.

Best gods are in general Aphro, Poseidon, and Zeus, though most Gods tends to work well with it.

[winter crow]

any recommendation for an aspect of pan build?

[odd ruin]

man, the new weapon is really goofy

[safe holly]

so im guessing just try figure out my old build untill i can get black coat?

[lunar lance]

So, I feel like the Black Coat feels best to me without the Sorceress card or the Hecate keepsake. I like having a long charge time to maintain the guard stance

[agile kraken]

Ohh I like that idea. What 3 arcana do you think works best with judgement?

[hexed field]

xinth with static shock and sworn flourish is pretty fun

[bright token]

i wonder if the removal of vow of panic was tangentially designed to nerf sorceress
now to ativate it you need to use omega move without enemies slown down or get a natural magic consumption

[timber pawn]

Removal of panic affects huntress most imo

[faint spear]

Gave Medea a shot w/ Aphro special & Apollo attack (wasn't getting anything else good). Made it to Prometheus but died due to poor Pin timing (right before 2nd flame attack) and forgetting all my mana was primed. Wish I got Zeus at all to try that blitz, but not meant to be I guess. Still not a huge fan, found that it was better at clearing bosses than rooms for some reason.

[simple niche]

So whats the outlook like on the attack for the new black cape? Special builds feel pretty good, borderline crazy, but the basic attack seems pretty lackluster. The dash attack seems ok, and the charged punch has a lot of cool Daedalus options, but just base damage kinda blerghhhh...

[mental sierra]

regarding the new boss: how do you avoid/dodge/etc the ||massive stripes of fire that he throws at you from above||

[hexed field]

the zones where it's going to hit light up, don't be in those zones

[compact nest]

There are 3 sections, at least one of them doesn't light up. It shows a pattern, 3/5 depending on which phase he is in

[obtuse cape]

It's the speed that's overpowered on it. Use it with Poseidon builds and you have insane clear speeds

[faint spear]

I try to memorize where I'm going to stand for that attack rather than where the flames will be.

[mental sierra]

Yeah I figured, but they seem to be a pattern, but I think when I did try to memorize, it didnt work out for me

[compact nest]

There is 100% a pattern, your memory just failed you

[mental sierra]

ah

[simple niche]

yeah, first build I ran was nyx + posidon special, its b-b-b-b-busted

[mental sierra]

it do be a sweaty fight so I can see why it’d fail me lol

[simple niche]

think I got a 9m topside clear

[mental sierra]

(I totally didnt pause the game whilst in the middle of said fight)

[viscid spade]

what happened to https://hades2-crossroads.vercel.app/

[simple niche]

I like the new zone / boss but man he is going to suck to run into amid high heat runs once the 4th overworld main boss gets added. I don't think he is hard persay but avoiding all damage from him is pretty difficult.

[mental sierra]

I wonder if my next (third) try will be successful…

[obtuse cape]

Oh, most of the Nyx and Selene builds special builds are broken asf lol.

If you want a strong attack build though, your best options are Grabbing the Attack Speed buffs and things that stack effects. Statick, Slip, Blitz.

However my two favorite Xinth builds atm are Nyx Exceptional Talent Rocket Spam and Mel Thunder Sprint Speed Force

Good good the Speed Force build is so cheesy but so much fun

[simple niche]

may have to try that, it sounds pretty fun.

[obtuse cape]

The Speed Force Build is Base Xinth, grab as much speed and sprint buffs as you can, and fully invest into Thundersprint/Spirit Surge Zeus. Get yourself some Mana Regen and just Zoom. If you build enough regen, you press no buttons, just let the lightning kill everything and dodge everything. It's obnoxxiously fun.

It's by far the most fun sprint build I've ever made

[mental sierra]

do you need a particular keepsake(s)?

[simple niche]

I like that, thats cute.

[obtuse cape]

You may want to run Zeus's to rarify Thunder Sprint.

But for the most part, use whatever you want.

It's good to try to use Chaos's until you hit a good Chaos boon for regen/speed and then swap it, though.

[mental sierra]

Yeah I figured, I need to upgrade a bunch of keepsakes

I’m gonna try farming some Adamant so I can upgrade base xinth

[obtuse cape]

fun fact for Nyx I learned: Using Boost into Omega Special or Attack counts for Death Arcana proccing for bonus crit chance.

So having Raki and Nyx into Omega Special has a higher crit chance than Thanatos.

I don't know if it's intentional or not but I've seen higher crit chances when using Death Arcana on Nyx than when not using it when doing Boost = Omega Special. As I have no idea how exactly Boost is supposed to be categorized.

Exceptional Talent doesn't proc boost damage 3 times, but will still fire 3 omega specials as normal, and those will all have nightspawn procs.

From the testing I've done but maybe others can test more thoroughly.

[main beacon]

https://imgur.com/uZROPjv
choice between a level in trusty shield and healthy rebound, which one would be the better choice? in all honesty i actually took flutter strike as a half joke because either bottom option seemed like overkill

also am i reading a certain dionysis boon inccorrect, or is it legit an inverse of healthy rebound? heals a high % of max hp if you took damage in the encounter...

[compact nest]

Healthy rebound is the better option regardless, if you ar etaking that much damage its more than 3 hp the armor would've saved you so its naturally better.

The dio boon heals you for % of the damage you took, think like apollos infusion IIRC

EG take 20 damage that room, heal 10 upon leaving.

[main beacon]

AH. it wouldnt just heal me 50% max hp lmao

[obtuse cape]

Having both however basically means you will always be full hp if both are Epic or higher though

[lime wing]

Anyone got a black coat bulid

[compact nest]

Correct, its like 20-30% higher than the infusion and likely stacks

[obtuse cape]

Thunder sprint, spirit surge, magic regen, base Mel coat, sprint and speed buffs

[main beacon]

apollos infusion might be better then? it saved me in real time vs prometheus by stalling

i mean theyre not exclusive anyway

[obtuse cape]

Correct me if my math is wrong but

[compact nest]

Dios boon is apollo infusion but better

[obtuse cape]

Doesn’t having both Bounce Back and Healthy Rebound at certain % just mean you always full heal?

[compact nest]

Or wait nvm the infusion heals you n real time

So yeah apollo better incombat, dio after

[main beacon]

yeahh. against the final boss you aint leaving the encounter to heal. you leavin to die.

[main beacon]

i think youre thinking of it the way i was a few mins ago - i have been corrected and dio boon doesnt heal the % of your hp, it heals the % of your damage taken. for the common boon healing 50% it applies to the 100 damage you took making it 50 healed

[obtuse cape]

But I’m saying this

[low bear]

Aspect of Selene is growing on me

Blood line + Weed Killer + Icarus explosion thing lets me have nearly 100% uptime with the Hex lol

[desert mist]

What's the best way to upgrade keepsakes? Surely there's a faster way than equipping one and just going as far as possible

[hazy crane]

on a fresh file run, wish I could take this but it's way too late in the Fields

[low bear]

There isn't really much else, get as OP as possible to clear rooms fast

I'm not sure if Ephyea side rooms count

[desert mist]

Poseidon Pan Knives here I come I guess

Wait I can't even guarantee that without the keepsake goddammit

[obtuse cape]

Let’s say you have Aphro threshold of 105 and max hp of 150

Let’s say you have bounce back healing for 30% and you take 60 damage

At 90 hp you’d heal w duos 20, putting you at 110, at Aphrodite threshold, full healing you.

The more health you have, the more obnoxious this gets.

[low bear]

There are much stronger builds out there

[desert mist]

It's the one I mesh with the most, and it's also pretty safe which is good for me because I suck

[low bear]

And you don't need to level up the keepsake to use it

[desert mist]

Would love for you to tell me some other options though

Kinda rusty for now

[low bear]

I'd say just use the keepsakes on your runs rathee than thinking about grinding them out

Moros is probably the strongesr aspect rn

[desert mist]

That's the Torches right?

[main beacon]

yea thats right but thats very dependent on how much bounce back does heal you. if you perfect a room and heal 0 you wouldnt proc healthy rebound, and you wouldnt be at 100% health after EVERY encounter..just ones you can spare health economy on

[low bear]

Yep

[desert mist]

The one that explodes your special if it hits the primary attack? Or vice versa can't remember

[low bear]

yes the attack explods when your special hits

but still imo don't think about grinding them out and just do your runs as normal, rarity isn't that big of a deal

Also sometimes in Tartarus when I feel like I can guarantee a win and I have a strong build I can equip a keepsake that's not fully leveled and just take every side room possible

[hazy crane]

rip, still lost to || cerb ||, whiffed a dodge and got hit by one of the slowdowns, then the big hit

[steady sonnet]

hey small question if I got the heroic version of hermes's "hard target" boon which would reduce projectile speed by 60% and medea's "enfeeblement of cowards" boon which reduces projectile speed by 40% would projectiles even be able to move atp?

I mean idk if they are even able to be gotten together but I have gotten them on seperate runs so was curious if they could be combined for better use and such

[tribal wedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/894218643846619197/1296920220526710794/image.png?ex=67140a94&is=6712b914&hm=d107e99b469010a7a555e5ea136e16016f2683d9706076557e648716da3e2ada& do i have any duos for hestia here? im tryna decide if i should go echo or hestia

[thick knoll]

so are the dog and bird any good?

[cursive oyster]

bird is goated, dog is good for aspects that liked unseen last patch (eos, perseph) so they can run boatman/orig now

[cursive oyster]

if you have slip you can get scalding vapor

[thick knoll]

right now was running frinos but do you think bird is better?

[main beacon]

If no one answers this soon im gonna dedicate as much time as it takes to get this because it sounds awesome

[cursive oyster]

frinos is certainly safer

but free rare pressure points plus occasional free crit is funny

[steady sonnet]

would love to hear how it goes, I have a build that im having a ton of fun w atm but i havent had the honor to see the resident speedster much so far other than for like 1 maybe 2 boons so far

[cursive oyster]

i’d imagine the effects stack multiplicatively

[steady sonnet]

wait bird??

the eagle? but how .-.

[compact nest]

Dog is trash raki is good

[thick knoll]

fair will say animals pretty diverse

frinos general play and especially handy for newcomers
cat speedrunners dream
dog magic build
bird crit power build

[cursive oyster]

cat is actually garbage for speedruns

[thick knoll]

is it thougth was good

[steady sonnet]

im so confused now, I had no clue a dog and bird were added, any advice on how to find em?

[thick knoll]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1237413291119083550/1296920107733221509/image.png?ex=67140a79&is=6712b8f9&hm=7b949c6272c9ee4452647ee5d7b3ef0370ab1d6e439a2400beb174140e488166&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=687&height=386

[cursive oyster]

you’d rather have morph block from frinos or raki’s crit chance, and the dd from cat is actually a detriment because it disables strength

[main beacon]

I rush Hermes so quick to get the +% gold boon. The true run carrier right there. All the Charon credits are belong to us.

[cursive oyster]

cat is unfortunately the worst familiar by far

[thick knoll]

ok

dog seems to be mostly for torches right maybe skull

[cursive oyster]

eos and persephone, i can see it being good with born gain bloodline mel/moros torches because of the insane mana spending of that thing

stun also seems nice but the dig seems pretty useless

[thick knoll]

go to underworld in the first level you can find the bird think you need to encounter and talk to it 2-3 times and not using cat

then give it a treat dont forget to pass the new animal incantations though

[cursive oyster]

once you get birb hecate will give you permission to tame hecuba who can be found in echo’s room 75% of the time

[steady sonnet]

I genuinely dont get why i saw ppl saying aspect of nyx was bad earlier, im playing w it rn and the build i have w it feels so good

[thick knoll]

is that comverzation in crossroads or in her boss fight?

[cursive oyster]

crossroads

[thick knoll]

ok

also what to upgrade first bloodbond or wing bond?

[lime wing]

Why all sprints?

[obtuse cape]

Mel coat builds into speed and sprint speed so you can abuse rolling around at the speed of sound

[drifting flower]

what is all y'alls least favorite keepsake and why is it the white antler?

[lime wing]

That sounds complex

[cursive oyster]

id say blood wing is more of a nice bonus

[cursive oyster]

mel coat, heaven flourish, hera attack, static shock, launch missiles at enemies before rushing in to blow up the blitz, look for like quadruple dash strike and bouncy rockets

[lime wing]

Ok

[steady sonnet]

man I wish I screenshotted my build, prometheus slapped me down at the very end when he was a lil below 25% probably didnt help that i was already down to only my toula death defiance by the time i reached the mountain

[main beacon]

The addition of Athena has given me something to believe in

[bleak night]

she's kinda broken, which is funny

[steady sonnet]

I never encountered her on the run 😭

[steel sequoia]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1296928167897989221/20241018170904_1.jpg?ex=671411fa&is=6712c07a&hm=d72dff46c589593e31fe57a5dd77123fc37c08aae5a63954a0ef242cd40a0b60& welp this is new stuff for me

[main beacon]

Always has been. Dash and revivals…the worst part is genuinely having to pick one from any selection

[cursive oyster]

mental block is her best boon if you aren’t playing 50+ imo

[bleak night]

I used Mental Block for 53

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1296696560062828664/GET_REFLECTED_STOOPID.mp4?ex=6713e307&is=67129187&hm=6194e61c97aadf3f9d8393c1cbe713c0d47e5c7c7d372b1188910cd85d38a33c& it's funny

[cursive oyster]

yeah if you aren’t playing 50+ or don’t have a crippling skill issue

[bleak night]

ngl Hecate is extremely satisfying to deflect

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1296930278056525924/Hecate_vs_Deflect.mp4?ex=671413f2&is=6712c272&hm=8506550ccd0981fa7b226f72f2f51a9db2d0df1f6307047a48829edbb803fa80&

[cursive oyster]

i struggle to time mental block because my instinct is to always use cast whenever i don’t have one down

[loud ice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/577302624001327106/1296929584448671754/image.png?ex=6714134c&is=6712c1cc&hm=3954452d202277fcf9ac80ddebb807daac4e9cc40cd17668a30bf8c16634f508&Aspect
Aspect of Charon enjoyers I need advice
This is my current arcana set up for Charon
I was wondering is Furies (VI +30% damage to foes in cast for 2 Grasp) would be worth switching stuff around to get

[bleak night]

if you play Charon, you won't have to time it ever

just keep getting the invuln from your cast spam

[bleak night]

lemme check my Charon page

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1296930973166075936/image.png?ex=67141497&is=6712c317&hm=82588c0865f671d6b1c415dced7b8019c52ad8c8843ea47168640b378455981c&

you can manage without Origination

[tribal wedge]

Has anyone beaton max fear yet?

[loud ice]

Am I supposed to have 1 extra grasp with this set up?

[low bear]

Boated has but not in this patch

[bleak night]

that's 30, no ?

[tribal wedge]

55

[loud ice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/577302624001327106/1296931767860592670/image.png?ex=67141555&is=6712c3d5&hm=64b40d14c224f36760f35f76544f52ea50c0ca33e69412fcf780e442355aa93b&

[bleak night]

Oh, whoops. You're right. Put it on Swift Runner for Excellence

[past salmon]

this patch? yes 2

[bleak night]

3 people

[past salmon]

Max fear will happen a lot this patch

[tribal wedge]

Who and how even.....

[loud ice]

Also wouldnt the bonus of Origination be better?
If I can get the the two debuffs consistently

[bleak night]

You're talking to two of the three rn actually

[low bear]

yeah Mynt and Foolish have too the madlads

[tribal wedge]

How do you even begin to attempt max fear

[bleak night]

Honestly, I don't think that +50% is all that important, though that's just for high fear ig. You can run Origination instead of Boatman if you don't really need the extra boons and aren't running the Onion vow

[low bear]

is 55 fear this patch easier or harder? I thought it would be harder with the armored enemey and miniboss fear

[bleak night]

you die 50x in a row ig

[past salmon]

Post patch strategy is very forgiving

[cursive oyster]

easier because of Athena

[low bear]

oh right

[past salmon]

about 10 times easier lmao
Stubborn defiance and lack of suffering go brrrr

[low bear]

Athena is the GOAT

[bleak night]

yeah, she's kinda a bit much

[past salmon]

you can start Frinos for double health and then get a stubborn defiance R3
Its stupid

[low bear]

her boons are actually crazy

[tribal wedge]

I find it funny how she acknowledges how obnoxiously good divine dash was in 1

[low bear]

rerollable, + Stubborn def and even a better Echo DD refill for not Max fear

[cursive oyster]

mental block is insane as well

[bleak night]

Honestly, in my 53F runs I'm trying not to get Stalwart if I can help it for that reason

I did Mental Block, Phalanx Shot and Divine Dash already

also @past salmon I think that hammer Mininet was talking about on Charon is actually bugged. My damage kinda jumped the moment I got it

It was a 13:50 53F run

[past salmon]

yeh I think it is
will be fixed at some point im sure

[bleak night]

I guess it boosts the damage of Specials rather than just the Special

[low bear]

how do you guys feel about the Axe block being taken away

[bleak night]

It sucks, but I'm making use of the new tool

[cursive oyster]

i think new axe special is decent

[loud ice]

I meant better than Furies
Like the only difference between the build you gave me and the one I had before was switching Origination for Lovers and Furies
And I dont really like using the 3 grasp on Lovers and Death would be useless for Charon
So wouldnt it be better to take Origination over Furies at that point?

[past salmon]

Axe block was broken but the new special needs work

[bleak night]

I think 5 is too steep is all

[low bear]

what if they made Axe block a hammer

and yeah I barely run Origination now because 5 grasp is so costly

[bleak night]

like, my mindset for my Arcana loadouts is that it works in 50F, so it should work better for anything lower

[low bear]

I think 4 would have been better

[cursive oyster]

not really i think, it can break rebuke well early game on mel axe and cancels out of the combo which can help get mel axe back into dash striking

[low bear]

since you still need effort to get Orig online

[past salmon]

goofy
just leave it out, Coat O-Attack is a balanced blocking option
Is tied to an Omega, Isnt Frame 1 lmfao, slightly smaller I believe

[low bear]

meanwhile Huntress or Furies lol

[bleak night]

at a point where I'd rather run Void over Fangs for when I go back to 50s, that Vow is stupid

[past salmon]

I hecking love SPINNERS

[safe holly]

how should i go about beating charybdis?

[past salmon]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[low bear]

Fangs is stupid I agree, I thought that would have made 55F harder, but Athena hard carries I guess

[bleak night]

I'd help you but I still take too much unnecessary damage when dealing with that boss

[cursive oyster]

spinners my beloved (they belong in the pits of tartarus to suffer for all eternity)

[low bear]

I hate Charybdis, but Soot sprint should tkae out most of his attacks right?

[bleak night]

It has melee slams now

[loud ice]

Fair enough
Thank you for not like getting annoyed when I argued after asking for help I just wanted to understand fully

[cursive oyster]

it always had melee slams?

[low bear]

I miss the old Origination

[bleak night]

It's okay, dw. I did used to run Origination over Boatman though. You can argue that Furies isn't worth it if you're not against a timer, but that instant +30 is just really lovely when it's a really tight deadline

[past salmon]

I run orig in some 50F+ arcana loadouts now

[loud ice]

Wait I just realized
Do you play with a left joycon and a mouse???

[cursive oyster]

furies is a must take for me

[bleak night]

[silent crow]

optimal movement optimal aim

[past salmon]

aka -> any surface loadouts
I dont like having to manually activate huntress so I drop it and artificer on surface for orig

[bleak night]

haven't done any 50+ surface runs, ngl kinda daunting to me

[loud ice]

That makes complete and total sense and you are cooler than I am for that

[low bear]

I love boatman simply because it lets me buy midshop and in my high fear runs Erebus is so crucial

[cursive oyster]

eh with new sorc using omegas doesn’t seem too bad on most weapons

[bleak night]

Give it a go, it's really fun to play this way

[past salmon]

Boatman is indeed goated

[low bear]

has anybody done 50+F Surface? It's so much harder in my experience

[cursive oyster]

i should try it

[bleak night]

I love Boatman because it means I can reroll more

[loud ice]

Charon is always goated in every situation

[cursive oyster]

i would get destroyed

[past salmon]

no 51F+ yet no
Mynt did 50F
I'll do one at some point ig

[low bear]

The deadline seems crazy

or do you run lower deadline

[bleak night]

I was able to do Antler on Olympus as well, ngl I kinda just tested to see if it was possible to go through that place without losing

[low bear]

And the Olympus enemies are TANKY gd

[past salmon]

Fig leaf might be necessary in Olympus atmt bh

[grave forge]

step 1: get the Hex that turns enemies into sheep
step 2 (optional): get the Path of Stars upgrade that teleports sheep when you Cast
step 3: now the tentacles are literally and figuratively lambs to be slaughtered

[low bear]

oh interesting what weapon did Mynt use

[past salmon]

guess

[safe holly]

thanks man

[silent crow]

circe staff

[low bear]

ah uhmm Moros?

[past salmon]

so true

[low bear]

ah yeah Staff would be my 2nd choice

[past salmon]

Axe

[silent crow]

axe gaming

[past salmon]

Mynt the moonstone axe user

[low bear]

damn no block debuff gonna stop the Axe King

[past salmon]

Axe is still very good

[cursive oyster]

than axe my beloved

[silent crow]

i love doing dash atk - special on axe it sucks so much ass but it looks so cool

[low bear]

true Axe is still great

[grave forge]

sheep Hex works on most if not all minibosses btw
it's just a shame Selene can't be rerolled

[low bear]

also does Olympus actually have weird room progression gimmicks? like is there a difference between jumping and taking rooms

or is it still just chambers

[bleak night]

I think they're just rooms

like, the jumping thing is just so you can do a heroic entrance damage thingie ig

[low bear]

Alsp what are the recommended gods for selene spec/atk?

[low bear]

I wish this was more useful honestly

[cursive oyster]

attack i like any percentage based, but especially aphro or hera, special blitz or pos is fun

i’m glad olympus doesn’t have some kind of crazy gimmick

reminds me of h1 elysiun

although a cool idea i had is that the path you take up the mountain differs based on how many times you steered left or right on thelassy

[bleak night]

anything % based for Attack since you wanna use the Shield Bashes

for spec, probs just go Blitz, can't go wrong

[low bear]

So aphro/hera and blitz ig thanks, how good is Poseidon spec though?

[cursive oyster]

decent imo

[bleak night]

Foolish did Apollo on attack to make the Shield Bash's AoE and range better

[cursive oyster]

good if you get speedy rocket hammer

[bleak night]

Good vs rooms, quite bad vs bosses

[low bear]

I guess hera/dem atk then since I really wanna run weed and bloodline right?

[safe holly]

just killed him i didnt use your strat but thanks for the help nonetheless

[simple niche]

I just got a run with +15 wave flourish and King tide, using Nyx... disgusting really

[edgy brook]

What are the best cards for a judgement run?

[half field]

does "omega moves" include omega boost with aspect of nyx?

[desert mist]

What are good weapons to use with Athena's keepsake?

[timber pawn]

Her boons are more of an add on to any build. I don't know that any particular weapon likes them better or worse