h2-builds-and-combat

[bleak night]

I like using Punchy Xinth

[faint oyster]

any tips with ||Prometheus||? He's really fast.

[robust prism]

btw what exactly is the difference between going up vs taking a door on Olympus? if there is any

[spare kite]

Jumping pad gives you the super hero landing for instakills

[robust prism]

is that all?

[spare kite]

Yeah, is not like tart's detours

[robust prism]

ok gotcha, yeah I was wondering whether it was similar

[glad nova]

Have they updated hephaestus balance since launch? I remembdr him being kinda bad.

[surreal hazel]

since launch? yeah

He's a lot better than EA launch, but that's been the case for a while now, he actually got a little nerfed in the last update

[glossy rivet]

no toula too, just skill (rng) issue i guess?
is hecuba showing up again also rng in echo's place?

[civic wing]

Are there any boons (except hermes) that affect hexes?

[surreal hazel]

Sea Star might double up a Path of Stars I guess?

[civic wing]

hmm okay thanks, was just wondering whether there was anything I needed to look out for on my selene aspect run

[ionic quiver]

What's the current opinion on preferred boons for the black coat?
attack and special, and maybe some good specific boons that come to mind?

[surreal hazel]

dealer's choice for a lot of it, the base damage isn't too big or small to sway them strongly one way or the other

[loud moat]

Yes, but I think it can only double up on the “mini” ones you get from fields of mourning. I could be wrong though

[surreal hazel]

You can absolutely double up the larger ones

[loud moat]

Ok good to know

[surreal hazel]

unless they changed it

[loud moat]

I know you can use the mini ones to get an actual PoStars from Echo if you are particular about it

Same way you save grabbing hammer last to get another one from her

[heavy palm]

Probably since I've no idea who or what Hecuba is ... (no spoilers please).

[loud moat]

It does. Any DD will count against Athena keepsake

[bleak night]

@timber pawn I was rewatching that run where Echo gave me the Athena DD refresh, and I had an Athena keepsake already with rerolls to try for it. If anything, I kinda wasted my keepsake for that region

[loud moat]

Speaking of, does non Keepsake Athena follow similar rules? Does she only show up if you have no DD?

It don’t think there is a restriction on type of room akin to Artemis. I got her on Olympus in a boon room

Can she only appear naturally on Olympus?

[steel sequoia]

if she only appears with no DD than its so situational its awful

[bleak night]

nah, she shows up even if you have dds

[loud moat]

I wonder if she is restricted to Olympus then. Not enough runs to know for sure.

[steel sequoia]

dont think it is

[surreal hazel]

she's only on olympus without the keepsake

[bleak night]

She feels like it, but you can use the keepsake anywhere else. I've used it in Tartarus

[surreal hazel]

I've had her show up in erebus with the keepsake

[steel sequoia]

yeah i was maxing keepsake and she showed up in erebus

[loud moat]

Only as part of the keepsake. It’s an interesting concept of balancing her Deflect boons. I’m not opposed.

[steel sequoia]

gonna pop into game i need to dig some mats

[surreal hazel]

She also can just give you stubborn defiance for the low low cost of 150 primed magicka

[desert shell]

Does anyone know if the strength arcana applies while you have defiances from the tooth and/or toula?

[surreal hazel]

Those are defiances, so it won't

[glossy rivet]

raki and hecuba can be recruited in erebus fountain mid-rooms right

or idk maybe hecuba is with echo since thats the first time i saw the dog

i dont have a pet with me so idk am i just getting rng'd

[loud moat]

Also, not sure if it’s a bug or not but I got a duo boon in a trial of the gods.

Trial was Hera/Zeus. I picked Zeus and got the duo with Apollo that I had ready to go

Always thought duos were locked out of trials.

[surreal hazel]

usually yes, must have been modified

[loud moat]

Is there any balance reason why restricting them was the case before? I always assumed it was a thematic reason that duos wouldn’t be offered

[fervent narwhal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249078453949567161/1296458690009890816/image.png?ex=67125cbe&is=67110b3e&hm=fa3002ada6fdc3fc485c2e99227afdcbe395df1a1de8a19dfde73fe95d52f38e& @heavy palm this is mine, kinda similar but ive never been a fan of the unseen or the moon due to there being so many good mana restore boons, used to have the furies and the lovers instead of boatman but skipping out on 300 gold also feels painful.. im wondering if origination is really worth it tbh, if i dont have 2 effects its useless so by removing it i get 30% damage instead of 50% but furies is active almost constantly and i get the lovers wich is just helpful overall

(might care to much but i love playing around with arcana cards and seeing others builds, its like a puzzle and i love puzzles)

[tulip sonnet]

okay second road block: eris. she's... infuriating

[heavy palm]

I'll have a play with that sometime. Ta.

[tulip sonnet]

i'm not letting go of my fear to make things easier but my god do i just want to [i am dragged to tartarus kicking and creaming]

[heavy palm]

Specifically mine was for Selene/Xinth, so charging hex passively is good.

[fervent narwhal]

ye my setup is just an overall setup for everything, i dont like swapping loadouts that much

@tulip sonnet stay behind her, something that helps is not attacking at all and just running around looking at her and dodging, that helps learning her moveset and animations.. i do that for all bosses in all games i struggle on

[glad nova]

Thank you! I will try him next run then.

[fervent narwhal]

he is more of a utility god, some of his boons are very nice for not dying and avoiding damage but if you focus on him and his damage it might be kinda meh

[tulip sonnet]

thank you! i'm just trying to use my normal hera/circe staff run or my hestia/aph/circe run just because my reaction times are hilariously bad as of late

[uncut walrus]

does anyone have any good staff builds

havent found one that i really like yet

[fervent narwhal]

she has a super slow turning rate

[surreal hazel]

Heph is a utility god, yeah, probably the polar opposite to hestia

if you aren't running scorch in some way, there isn't a lot that Hestia can actually do for you, other than throwing fireballs

[tulip sonnet]

hera strike or hestia strike works wonders for me

or if you're feeling lucky, apollo omega legendaries with circe pack a punch

anything with momus is great

[uncut walrus]

ic

[tulip sonnet]

doing charybdis. pray for me.

I SURVIVED!

[fervent narwhal]

you get sushi as a reward

[tulip sonnet]

the vow got me girls...

[civic wing]

Is there a boon that reduces the duration of the cast?

[analog osprey]

no, iirc

closest thing is charon axe

[glossy rivet]

got my first clear while still having arachne's silk

blitz revenant good

[steel sequoia]

man prometheus feels so harder to dodge than eris/chronos, stuff follows you right?

[analog osprey]

he does have a fair bit of tracking stuff

[steel sequoia]

im getting wreckt with 9 fear

[summer seal]

Been a long time since I've played, how is Aspect of Pan building these days, still Poseidon on special more or less?

[tulip sonnet]

TIME TO FACE ERIS. GODSPEED.

[INCORRECT BUZZER NOISE]

[surreal hazel]

Gyser Spout

but what that really does is that once you finish channelling an omega cast, it just deletes the cast completely and spawns the gyser splash

which means that Lucid gain doesn't proc, if that's relevant

[civic wing]

I'm trying to do a run with persephone skull, so I want to basically spam casts while building up my special

So I think I might go with poseidon, thanks

[glossy rivet]

ok doot revenant was fun
whats for an attack-focused coat build though

selene aphro atk?

or maybe mel aspect

[silver dagger]

is queens ransom worth here? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/288663581623451648/1296476462576304179/image.png?ex=67126d4c&is=67111bcc&hm=700c9d8381cd4fb269f148c585ca3f2dc6660653b43d28f6c7185e79f88cd523&

[steel sequoia]

it doesnt? i thought it did

thought it just didnt worked with Prominence Flare

[cursive oyster]

i would say no

[warped perch]

So I gotta ask...is there anyone who knows how to make the skull weapon not feel like complete ass? the special having no i frames means I'm spending time launching my only attack away, leaving myself vulnerable with no real defense
the weapon feels extremely slow and clunky to fire and the damage per hit does NOT feel worth it for the whole annoying "fire then gotta pick it back up" mechanic (especially given how many enemeis have a 'dont approach me in meele while I'm doing X' move like those big red AOE guys on the boats or the hourglasses in ||tartarus|| after they die meaning I LITERALLY cant pick up my primary source of attacking for...insert amount of time here) to be needed.
like...is there something I'm just not understanding? none of the aspects seem liek they would fix any of hte issues I have with the weapon. EVERY other weapon even with its faults (the slow attack speed of hte axe) still has a lot of upsides that make it worth using. but I just CAN'T figure out the skull. I'm basically only using it to tick off the fated list of dadaluses. but I'd LOVE to be suffering less ifa nyone has advice

[bleak night]

Honestly, sounds like Skull Aspect of Medea is the aspect for you if you hate the long range thing

It's the melee aspect of the Skulls

[warped perch]

I did try that and it wasnt the needing to be the range that was the isuse. it was the weird clunky "slow" feeling of how it fires. I remember trying that aspect and it jsut felt...weird to 'prime' them, with an explosion and tehn do a DELAYED damage hit.

[bleak night]

Oh, if you load an attack and then ram something with special, it automatically explodes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1243937802530455572/Medealoop.mp4?ex=6711cb9b&is=67107a1b&hm=bd18b657df0aa68043e4cd645cd96743b22c4d89a00df774bc32d0c8f665984b&

It's really fast, actually. Like, extremely fast

[warped perch]

I'll try that out, see if it feels any better at least. didn't know about htat.
Any other advice? I'm wholely willing to admit the skull might just not be for me but as-is, it literally feels so awful I wonder why it's in the game XD (like...I didn't enjoy the rail much but in comparison the rail is AMAZING to me.
based on that vid though my main nerves are on well...I have issues with teh special having basically no i-frames, so trying to use it I get hit...a lot. But that combo looks like the staggerlock might help that so heres hoping

[bleak night]

You're specifically asking about the base Skull, right ?

That one is kinda deceptive because playing it optimally, it isn't a long range weapon lol

[warped perch]

anything with the skull really. minus the knowledge of special auto-proccing the 'prepared' damage, (which I'll have to test) I just hate it overall as a weapon, and none of the aspects fix the issues I have. it just feels slow, clunky, and like it doesnt do enough damage to be worth said slow clunkiness

[bleak night]

I have a video from 2 patches ago but the gameplay is fairly unchanged. You wanna see how the Skull is played?

[civic wing]

I have the icarus boon that makes your cast deal damage to you and I just picked up demeter's boon that makes it follow you around...how screwed am I?

omg nevermind, the damage zone stays where it's at

[bleak night]

It doesn't feel all that clunky once you get how to make it tick

[bleak night]

Never knew the answer to that. Ty for the answer lol

[warped perch]

I'm assuming it's the "Stand in melee and spam it in their face" but that still feels awkawrd to me because of, again, the stop-and-go feel to it if that makes sense. And often times that still leaves me succeptible to other attacks unless theres only like one or two enemies. Overall the weapon feels high risk, low reward. but I wouldn't be opposed ot checking the video out.

[bleak night]

Yeah, pretty much the stand close by and launch in their face. Though it does hit hard

The vid is 50 Fear if that makes any difference

[warped perch]

in my experience it hasn't hit hard enough to be "worth" it to me
also yea I uh...I am WAY more casual than 50 fear XD but again by all means post it and I'll look. like I said, might just not be my weapon personally but yea it's my least favorite weapon in all of hades period at this point XD

[bleak night]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0aNWGbrhLf0

This aspect relies on Bolstered Array is all

[warped perch]

Bolstered Array? (also, potentially hot take but if a weapon relies on a specific daedalus to even feel usable that's not good design)
lemme check out this vid...

[bleak night]

As for Persephone, ngl to you I forget the attack button exists once I'm past Erebus

[steel sequoia]

persephone ❤️

[bleak night]

It's a Storm Ring and Omega Special aspect

[cursive oyster]

i really like rocket bombard on mel skulls i think

but that’s from a much more casual perspective

[warped egret]

I still hate the skull but i hate it a little lrss yesterday because i started getting its tempo a bit

[spare kite]

Staff crying in the background

[warped perch]

I mean I love like 99% of the game so I think one singular complaint isn't TOO bad. XD

[warped perch]

watched a little bit of it and yea, I see how the jump into their face and triple skull works decently. But I think ti jsut might not be my knida weapon I guess. feels awkward XD

[cursive oyster]

at least staff has 2 wreck everything hammers

[warped perch]

oh you meant the staff weapon XD
I mean I personally love the staff even without hammers XD

[warped egret]

Wait is the l joy con and mouse fr? Joycon for movement and mouse for attacks? Do you have a custom mapper to combine the 2 inputs? @bleak night

[bleak night]

That's fair, yeah

[bleak night]

When you put a gamepad in and you move mouse, it allows you to seamlessly swap between inputs. Like, if I do Gamepad + Mouse instead of Left Joycon + Mouse, I have the right side of the controller still functional. If I wanna spam attack, I left click and spam the attack button on the right side of the controller, and it's a fast weapon or I have a ton of attack speed off of boons, I can feel the difference

It's L Joycon with Dash on L1 and Hex on ZL, then the mouse has attack and special on clicks, Cast on a side button

[steel sequoia]

prom usually gives me at least 350 dmg lmao, thats harsh

[sick tide]

Is there a good way to play the torches ranged? Moros seems very melee oriented, and Eos seems…controversial

[bleak night]

Mel Torches is pretty good if you wanna focus on tossing out attacks

[warped egret]

Ooh interesting
I alwaus thought there was a bit of lag between the swap so i was curious but honestly id love to try this

[bleak night]

Give it a go, no lag

[zenith bridge]

Is there any site/spreadsheet that compiles Hades II builds, similar to what this site does for Hades I? https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-build-guide

[sick tide]

Ah ok, and would things like Apollo be good boons to try with that?

[warped egret]

When my game stops lagging 😔 since the new patch ive been getting awful awful lag so im gonna wait and see if theyll release a fix

[obsidian hollow]

Any build ideas for the new weapon?

[bleak night]

Not quite yet, as the game changes a lot and boons are subject to change. You can probably get a lot of good builds off of people here though

[bleak night]

Base aspect?

[timber pawn]

Not really at this point, so much is changing people are with some exceptions not putting together guides that may soon be outdated

[ripe patio]

Demeter attack
Poseidon special
Hammer which had 25% chance of using special when attacking

And then whatever u want tbh

[obsidian hollow]

I unlocked all of them so really any

[bleak night]

Have you tried setting graphics to low to try to alleviate for now

[bleak night]

I have vids up if you wanna just see what stupidity I build on em are, but I gotta tell you that Selene plays extremely differently

[warped egret]

Admittedly no (i did get a few runs inbtwern w 0 lag so it really might be something with boons) but im also in 0 rush so imma just be lazy for awhole. Ill try it next time, samr with checking my drivers

Oh i shouldve mentioned that in my bug report... Sometimes i dont get lag sometimes i do oops

[obsidian hollow]

I haven’t actually played w Selene year but hidden hex sounds like fun

[bleak night]

Though for Nyx and Mel aspect, just do Hera/Apollo punchies with Zeus missiles. Can't go wrong

[ripe patio]

Nyx is just zoom zoom zoom bam bam bam which is also pretty fun

[bleak night]

I'm told that Nyx is just zoom for your buff then spam missile button

[ripe patio]

Literally that HAHA

[bleak night]

Then I saw two people do 50F with 250k+ missile damage

[surreal hazel]

Nah, otherwise it'd just be free omega cast spam forever

[ripe patio]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/852389344621756486/1271184743479906355/scumpsmallbrain_-_1821600290946032004.gif

[summer seal]

How is Aspect of Pan building with the new patch?

[bleak night]

I did an attack Nyx build so I was kinda surprised both work in 50F

[surreal hazel]

Prominence flare is a hard incompatability where the boon won't be offered, but even if you mod the game to allow it, it won't work

[warped egret]

Had a fun run where i had 100 dmg hera sprint + bonus hitch dmg for dying + 25% crit for enemies above 80% health. Its not great really but it makes it really fun just sprinting aroumd lots of trash mobs and watching them hitchsplode

[ripe patio]

Yeah the overall aoe on the double attack is quite good

[bleak night]

Still, seems like missile spam is optimal. Way more safe

[ripe patio]

https://tenor.com/view/penguin-attack-missile-israel-warzone-gif-23664016

Black coat gameplay:

[bleak night]

[warped egret]

What are the good / really awful selene powers?

Ive been kind of staying away from all the dmg ones they all feel like more trouble than theyre wroth

[bleak night]

You should prioritize Prism (violet upgrade), then see what you need from there

Cascade is a waste to get so probs dont

[hoary quiver]

Do "After using your hex, you deal +5% damage this encounter" paths stack if I use the hex more than once in an encounter?

[ripe patio]

I always go total eclipse if I can
The boom is satisfying

[bleak night]

Probably

[warped egret]

Thats the orbital strike one right? Yeah i like that one if i gotta

I finished a run with the laser ome and i just dont like it

[ripe patio]

I need to farm more nightmares to upgrade selene to V, missing 2

[ripe patio]

Yuh, it's either total eclipse or healing, depends on the run

[warped egret]

Same 😭

The slow time one killed me once and i havent forgiven it since

[ripe patio]

LMFAO

[hoary quiver]

Did you try to use it against ||Chronos||?

[warped egret]

Nah, it was against polyphemus. The slow messes up the timings of hjs ranged spam. Slowed enough that i didnt dash out of the way of his full spam/between waves

[fossil kestrel]

Idk if anyone else has the thought but the black coat seems very overtuned

[warped egret]

OP or under?

[bleak night]

I think it's kinda balanced ngl

Like, the shielding is flimsy

[warped egret]

I havent played it but i do think its hard to gauge balance right away, im kind of ignoring all the its op/up for now. Man im still figuring out skulls.

[fossil kestrel]

you can just do like so much damage

[bleak night]

Offense in general feels buffed this patch in exchange for worse survivability/defensive tools

[warped egret]

Gotta play soon then.. Try it in case the nerf it....

[fossil kestrel]

and the block just deletes certain moves

like scylla lines

[bleak night]

Tbf Axe special also did that, difference is Axe's was frame 1 and cost no MP

[warped egret]

Im kinda sad they removed the axe special block, but i guess it makes sense
Rip

[fossil kestrel]

yerp

[quaint orchid]

is the new weapon good?

[fossil kestrel]

110%

[bleak night]

Good is an understatement kinda. It's versatile

[quaint orchid]

it looks cool af

[bleak night]

You can mold heavy % boost boons or rapid-fire based ones like Static Shock and Waves

[vale mesa]

Poseidon or Zeus for rockets?

[bleak night]

Zeus if your Attack boon is % damage, Poseidon if not

[fossil kestrel]

i'd pick zeus

[bleak night]

Though based on what Machi told me, Hera on missiles is kinda great

[obtuse cape]

Coat is a weapon that you can mix and match and still clear a night on and not feel underwhelming on but if you build it for it's strengths, it performs on par with any of the top aspects

So in a way, it does everything very well

It isn't the TOP weapon but it does everything very well

[bleak night]

Selene is also interesting because it doesn't really play like any of the 17 other aspects available

The thing is balanced around the Hex it comes with, you level it as you go and ensure it has constant uptime

I always just start Moon Beam on that thing now

[fossil kestrel]

Coat dash attack works so well with Hestia, because it registers 3 times you can spam for a ton of scorch stacks

[bleak night]

That + Static Shock is funny

[spare kite]

The dash attack is so cool in general

[fossil kestrel]

true

[obtuse cape]

Selene has a few very strong builds but the ones I've seen revolve around World Collider Aphro Nuke

[fossil kestrel]

let's not mention Selene coat and keepsake is an easy 8 upgrades at the start

[heavy palm]

Yeah, Xinth Selene starting with Selene's boon is guaranteed good build in room 1 (if you like orbital lasers, and who doesn't like orbital lasers).

[bleak night]

I managed to do a Selene 50F with Storm Ring + Prominence Flare with no Hammers besides the Armor Melter for minibosses. Was kinda funky

[sick tide]

I really like the playstyle of Selene

Zooming around and letting the Hex do the work

[cursive oyster]

as long as you roll 3 lasers per hit and 50% more damage on hit

[bleak night]

#self-promotion message

[heavy palm]

Me too, though I'm also loving Mel's aspect on Xinth, especially with Exhaust hammer (3 hit dash strike)

[heavy palm]

Well, you'll get more than one chance for path of stars later, but there's one "bad" layout I agree.

[bleak night]

Wondering how many attack speed boons is needed to turn Xinth into Malphon

[dense valley]

has anyone found the companions yet?

[heavy palm]

My last run was Exhaust Ports and rapid attacks and melting hammer with Strength. I lots almost zero health in Tartarus (low fear for getting used to things) because nothing lived more than a few seconds.

[obtuse cape]

Found but not recruited yet

[heavy palm]

I found and recruited ||Birb||.

[obtuse cape]

Found both but can only chat

[dense valley]

oh i see

[obtuse cape]

Found both 3 times, no recruit trigger yet

[heavy palm]

I only lost that run because I tried to tank an insta-kill out of habit.

[dense valley]

ive been trying a while but havent even spotted them

[obtuse cape]

Also, has anyone ||found the second quest trigger after the first dream for hypnos yet?||

just got ||birb|| 😄 😄 😄

[fervent narwhal]

nothing beats birb, hecubas stun is quite often though

and no, unsure if the second quest trigger is in the game yet

[slender jackal]

Where is her second location, up or down? Saw once in erebus, nothing since

[fervent narwhal]

only in erebus

[broken linden]

how does prometheus' flames work?
i know it's a remember the pattern game but i stood away from where the first one was "supposed" to appear and still got hit i've fought him 4-5 times now and i still dont get it.

[hearty iris]

That's exactly how it works
Red area is where the flames will appear. Memorize the order of telegraphs and position accordingly.

If you get hit, maybe you were standing too close?

[steel sequoia]

sometimes you need to get close to him to hit lmao. but the patterns aren't really a problem for me, the seeking flames hurts too much and if you get caught offguard by his frenzy combo you instantly loses a DD

[broken linden]

yeah might have been that, i needed the confirmation, thanks for explaining

[limpid wren]

RNG is destroying me I haven't even seen the raven in 20 runs

Should I be avoiding shops/mini boss rooms, or rerolling anything to find the dang fountain room?

[steel sequoia]

ive never found the fountain room either

only uncle

[dense valley]

the raven is in erebus right?

[limpid wren]

Allegedly

[dawn cape]

Seems like the surface is really stingy on gold, I had to go starting gold to not be cash-starved the whole run

[alpine sparrow]

Question, I don't have anything tangible on hand to actually back this up but does Hestia's burn feel different to anyone else? I don't see anything in the notes but despite taking her epics for attack and cast several times last night I didn't feel like I was able to get any solid burn stacks going

[high lion]

Need a good build for blades melione aspect have struggled a lot getting through thessaly and against eris lol managed to through once to see the new stuff

[steel sequoia]

ive saw the birb 1 time in erebus and the dog 2 times

bruh Frinos is freakingly annoying he is jumping right before the sheeporb and it screwed me for the 3rd time already

[dense valley]

seemed fine to me honestly, i just did a run with black coat and freezer burn

was able to hit a 6k nuke on cerby

[sick tide]

Oh, is that where they both are? I’ve been focusing on the surface to get more adamant

[dense valley]

honestly just go aphro/apollo pick damage boons, focus on omega attack

[obtuse cape]

So fun fact.

All you need to beat Eris now is Divine dash.

It just completely counters her.

[slender jackal]

It's only me, or coat attacks are a bit underwhelming? Love its special to bits, but after running to chronos with focus on fists felt like i was handicapping myself

[fervent narwhal]

youre supposed to use both though

[ionic quiver]

do you have to meet certain conditions first? like going in without a familiar?

[dawn cape]

How strong are the i-frames on divine dash?

[fervent narwhal]

@ionic quiver no

[dense valley]

i dont think so

[dense valley]

wait but you get ||athena|| only in olympus right?

[fervent narwhal]

not with the keepsake

[dense valley]

ohh okay

havent gotten that yet

[keen cosmos]

any of y'all try out Aspect of Nyx yet? it feels fun as hell to use

[steel sequoia]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1296516066654158888/20241017135135_1.jpg?ex=6712922e&is=671140ae&hm=5e8323e1364f7ce7ac0249d74bba6b62c6b625ed42a6060dd3a41d38a2930288& idk how all this works but it was fun

[obtuse cape]

Oh no, the fist attacks are very strong. Aphro and Max rank Mel let you pummel things to death, especially if you get Riser and just dash spam things into dust.

Also, the fist have the highest knockback of any Poseidon weapon so you literally can wallbang entire rooms launcher frame full poseidon build

[steel sequoia]

and hera keepsake gave me nothing

[obtuse cape]

Full Wave Build Nyx has the highest CC of any aspect so far

Enemies literally get knocked into walls screens away from you, it's almost unfair

My last run with Nyx I did full wave and got Launcher Frame, Exhaust Riser, and Shimmering Rockets. Just waves everywhere, didn't even seem fair.

[stuck bough]

now that Apollo solar ring is changed, what's the best cast option for aspect of charon axe

[obtuse cape]

Speaking of unfair, I learned that you can Hex both ||Talos and Dragon|| Don't know if it's intended or not but it makes the fights with them a nonfactor.

[keen cosmos]

currently I have Demeter dash + the demeter/apollo duo + Hermes' Nitro Boost on aspect of Nyx and its great

[sick tide]

Like, transforming them?

[obtuse cape]

Yup

[sick tide]

Huh, I literally never use the Morph Hex. Interesting

[obtuse cape]

I took it because I had nothing better, finger flipped and hit F and voila, sheepbot was born

[obtuse cape]

Demeter dash isn't a primary dash either so you can still get a whole bunch with it.

You can still get a primary sprint/dash +

Nitro/Divine as well.

[keen cosmos]

it is now it looks like, or atleast I got the primary demter dash

the gust one

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1283981330711056396/1296519256967483432/image.png?ex=67129527&is=671143a7&hm=e2f6c9cf1166ab7f293c7cf5c3e800e9c1008a674900926f193410d533c1a45d&

[obtuse cape]

Ah I see.

[steel sequoia]

yeah frosty verner still good

didnt lose a single DD to prom with FV

[idle coyote]

If I get a chaos boon that makes me spend 40% less magick, will that make it significantly harder to use my hexes? or are hex numbers adjusted?

[obtuse cape]

not adjusted

[idle coyote]

ty

[wispy pawn]

How.
The f#ck
Do i deal with ||Eris||'s bullshittery.
Like srsl, why is her fight so goddamn painful.
"oh lemme just" deletes your healthbar

[obtuse cape]

Depends, how far are you in the game?

[wispy pawn]

Killed ||Chronos|| once, at 27 grasp rn.
I think it was before he was nerfed.

[obtuse cape]

If you just want to cheese her, Get Soot Sprint and the Moonstone axe. Dance around the apple pillars and use it's wonky hitbox to hit her while she can't hit you (Especially abusable if you have hell chopper)

Make sure to dodge when she uses rail shot as it will destroy the pillar, dodge when she uses bombs.

It's pretty simple after that if you're just looking to cheese her.

[wispy pawn]

And maybe tips for not cheesing? Please?

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1296525510771478548/image.png?ex=67129afa&is=6711497a&hm=82a28574e8dcf1d4bac77637221ea0f9f782d4389e3bc8d03c870f5400320eb6&

Surface is rough ngl

[rugged moon]

Be behind her. She turns slow so you can just move around her as she rotates her shots. If she charges into a wall or is over fire back off and get behind a pillar to make her come back out.

[celest pecan]

you just have to be careful not to get caught in the shotgun blasts and youll be okay i think

[rugged moon]

The trick is to not be afraid of her. You can continue damaging her during most of her moves

[wispy pawn]

Oooh, haven't thought of that. Thanks. Imma go try with Pan daggers

[obtuse cape]

When she's using shotgun, dash straight into her to get behind as it fires in a V shape and the center of it is where the hitbox is clean generally.

Best weapons on her if you haven't hit olympus are Axe and daggers.

You will want Soot sprint if you're having a hard time getting used to her patterns.

Use the apple pillar for her larger range attacks, and weave in between her smaller attacks for damage.

Generally speaking Aphro builds work better for either backstab builds or hellchopper hit and run builds.

[fervent anchor]

i gotta figure out better stuff im so bad with making/theorizing builds

[rugged moon]

Whats your arcana at this point @bleak night really struggling with surface coat runs

[celest pecan]

most of eris kit is pretty easy to evade and still hit her but when she gets the shotgun i just run away

[bleak night]

this is Axe tho

[rugged moon]

Ik but youve also done coat more 😛

[bleak night]

Ah, what aspect ?

[rugged moon]

Mostly doing selene right now

[obtuse cape]

lemme screenshot my coat arcana setup one sec

[celest pecan]

selene is actually broken

[bleak night]

best I've done on a surface run for Coat is 32

[bleak night]

oh hm

[celest pecan]

the path of stars that activates the hex effect when you do an omega move is ridiculous

[obtuse cape]

finishing run then can share

[rugged moon]

Maybe i should drop down… im still doing surface runs cause i want material and to get keepsakes but im like not even getting past eris

[bleak night]

I'll dm you my Selene page

[celest pecan]

i straight up sodomized grandpa on my first try with selene its so good for underworld runs

it just shreds everything everywhere

[bleak night]

Selene gaming

[pseudo pond]

any interesting build for the new weapon?

I find the new weapon kinda fun, but doesn't have synergy with a lot of build I tried

like special spam with poseidon or aphrodite

or melee with aphrodite

the performance is okay, but doesn't feel nearly as powerful as some other weapons, more like chipping away boss

[bleak night]

which aspect

[pseudo pond]

nyx

[bleak night]

lemme copy paste Machi's 50F boons

[pseudo pond]

Thank you!

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1296391948864847932/image.png?ex=67121e96&is=6710cd16&hm=b243c12c21055af09005ff6de88984905d5aa58e4ffd69a750f66ee6709345a7&

Hera Special spam funni

280k missile damage

[pseudo pond]

hmm

I assume this is a poseidon special spam build?

[bleak night]

Hera Special

[pseudo pond]

ah, hera

[bleak night]

honestly, Apollo would also hit hard

would have better AoE as well on the main target. Hitch is just better in high fears because of the amount of enemies

[pseudo pond]

how does this build work then? can't recognize some of those boons

[bleak night]

pretty much just using the aspect's Omega Boost as a means to get your Nightspawn up, then you run away while spamming missiles until you need to get the buff again

seems to have support fire and the hammer that makes it bounce to two more targets

that'd crush with Static Shock tho

[pseudo pond]

I see, sounds interesting

will give it a try now!

[bleak night]

I personally did a punching build with Nyx, it's versatile

[steel sequoia]

woa first time i entered in the resting room, finally

this should appear more often

[pseudo pond]

I see, I didn't like the melee build as much cuz a lot of new enemies has wide and fast aoe

but, I will get used to it eventually

[bleak night]

melee build focusing on dash attacks would probs be better on the base aspect, since that 20% movement speed helps you microspace and dart in and out a lot better.

[pseudo pond]

ah, so kinda like nemesis in hades 1?

just keep dash attack

[bleak night]

I found that one of the most enjoyable ways to play Mel Coat is Scorch and Static Shock on the dash attack while aiming for the dash attack hammer

perhaps get Dem as well for Arctic Ring

[pseudo pond]

scorch huh? tbh, I haven't really touched hestia post scroch rework

[bleak night]

the dash attack on the weapon is 3 hits that do 15 iirc

[pseudo pond]

I see, will give that a run too

[bleak night]

so scorch is kinda just good on it

Waves might also work probs

[pseudo pond]

btw, any good hephaestus build?

personally I found his boon the hardest to make work

it's really good base damage, but the cooldown on it just so long, by the time you get to the final boss

the high base damage combines with its long cooldown really kinda fall off

[bleak night]

honestly, people just use Heph for defensive/support reasons rather than damage for the most part. Like, if your build has enough damage but you need survivability, then you go Heph for armour, temporary invuln, etc

[pseudo pond]

I see

maybe wait for future balance I guess

[bleak night]

Like, Heph is sometimes the worst god for offense unless you go full Clang, but you will also find almost every high fear run has Hephaestus boons for surviving

[pseudo pond]

fair enough

just wish they can make the balance between offense and defense

like athena in hades 1

[rugged moon]

i mean athena in hades 1 was basicl heph most of the time. you took 1-2 for defense then like someone else for damage

[bleak night]

They just really don't want Deflect to be a normal part of the game ig

Like, we have it now, but it's got a lot of requirements to spawn in outside of its normal region

[warped egret]

Hephs atk boons were fun at first but they get so outclassed rip

[pseudo pond]

true, but if you pick her offensive option, it can still work

[rugged moon]

i mean heph attack can still work

[pseudo pond]

falls off really hard

[rugged moon]

so did h1 athena

[quaint orchid]

which coat aspect is good

[rugged moon]

coat good

[warped egret]

Its saved with vent but also yeah atp id rather have most other gods on atk

[pseudo pond]

h1 athena actually had decent scaling irc

and some combined boon works really well with her

[rugged moon]

its mostly saved by duos imo magik. a lot of the heph duos are really nice

[pseudo pond]

will take a look

[timber pawn]

The game is also designed differentoy so reflect wouldn't be quite as impactful in this game imo

[warped egret]

Ill need to check em out- tbh i cant remember em

Someone send me a list 😭

[rugged moon]

blast clears freeze was one of my first wins

[timber pawn]

No witchballs lol

[rugged moon]

i had a heroic heph atk at like +4 and dem cast

2s blast timer, and blasts cleared freeze so they could be refrozen

everything was always and forever frozen XD

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1296534399461883924/Echo_moment.mp4?ex=6712a341&is=671151c1&hm=53c72f7a85e65dbf63cb660e11d7a73806fe986f5b4435cec7a056ea54eb1471&

[warped egret]

I really need to get on more duos, like i got the lightning gives scorch the other day and idk id its good, but it def felt like i could've gotten more juice out of that boon if i changed up my build

[steel sequoia]

this was a good solid EOS run https://postimg.cc/T51z0k0V

[magic moss]

should i start tracking renewed faith

[bleak night]

up to you lol

[rugged moon]

gonna be honest... im not liking fangs. is making 50f experience much worse

[bleak night]

Took me a while to adjust

[rugged moon]

idk what to do vs bonus armored, pull in screamers ;-;

[hollow tendon]

any good boons to make the coat of night charge attack not feel super underwhelming

[magic moss]

apollo, hera, aphrodite, take sorceress arcana

[bleak night]

ngl that one is mostly for defensive purposes unless you're using Selene

unless you get World Collider

[hollow tendon]

I guess it’s gimmick is the shield yeah

[bleak night]

it also pushes you backward depending on chargetime

you can buffer it by dashing though

[tame spindle]

i just played again after a couple months break

i forgot how to play what are some cool builds

[bleak night]

oh, hi again!

[tame spindle]

heyhey how have u been

[bleak night]

doing okay, I took a break like you did

the new weap is fun, probs go for some runs, try to unlock it

[rugged moon]

Some bad news for ypu jodie

[tame spindle]

yeahh i think i dipped almost exactly after u did

[tame spindle]

i already heard about liam... its okay...

[rugged moon]

Mint condition got nerfed

[bleak night]

oh

[tame spindle]

oh yeah i just beat it again and i saw it js now

[bleak night]

do some surface runs with the Pickaxe

grab that Adamant and unlock the jetpack for the whoomies

[tame spindle]

the WHAT

[bleak night]

[spare kite]

Last weapon is so cool

[tame spindle]

mynt do u wanna call ?

[bleak night]

yeah sure, lemme grab my mic so I can watch you play

[tame spindle]

cant think of anything to run

i think i fell off 😭 ive always been bad at surface runs

[bleak night]

dw you're about to get a lot worse at it

the robot enemies have machinegun lasers

[tame spindle]

😭

[bleak night]

alr should be good

[viscid spade]

what's with the hand with the green star pointing at certain door options vs others?

i prob explained that poorly, was expecting to just send a screenshot lol

[hollow tendon]

how? It was one of my favorites lol

[spare kite]

Send somewhere else then right click > copy link

[hollow tendon]

mint condition and hydraulic might was so fun

[rugged moon]

duration decreease

[bleak night]

@rugged moon join us ?

[willow acorn]

So uh, is Prometheus’ big telegraph attack bugged cuz it for sure doesn’t go off in the order it shows

It just looks like the first is correct and the rest are fully random. Which seems not right with how much damage it does

[spare kite]

That's the first time I heard of that
Don't forget to f10 and yada yada

[willow acorn]

So for you it’s telegraphing them and doing them in the order shown?

[spare kite]

Yeah

I even record it cuz my memory is awful

[willow acorn]

lol damn RIP it for sure didn’t yesterday. I’ll try again today and record it I guess if it’s still happening.

[obtuse cape]

They also nerfed Hephy strike.

You can only get it to level 4 now and legendary.

You can't stack levels in it now until it can get to 1 second or less anymore. Makes me sad

[spare kite]

It could never reach 1s tho, capped at 2s

[willow acorn]

I mean that makes sense anyways

[spare kite]

Which I think heroic lvl 4 reaches no?

[past salmon]

Morning peoples

[obtuse cape]

No, there was a way in I forget which patch where if you used Queen's Ransom to get it below 2 before

Prooooobably unintentional but I did it once 😄

[spare kite]

Then that's not a nerf

Wild bug if queen's ramson interacted with heph tho lmao

[timber pawn]

Hello gamer

[obtuse cape]

Basically you could Queen's Ransom into an Epic level 20 Sworn Strike, then you could use Hera's forced Sacrice Boon to get it at LEgendary 20+ and it was hilarious

[amber plover]

I haven't played the game in months and now like all of the builds I used to run seem to have changed 😂

Any mind-numbingly easy strats to go for while I get my legs back under me?

[compact nest]

Charon Blitz is quite literally the most braindead strat you can possibly do and easy. Slightly more risky now that you can't block with axe, but everything gets deleted anyway

Hestia + either artemis or mel sister blades is good too

[viscid spade]

what does the fingerpointing hand mean?https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1264833165701283913/1296553707546345614/image.png?ex=6712b53c&is=671163bc&hm=7f430a60f9ba30a6f92edfa12c35fe9a3383c77a17426256f68b89b328552279&

[fervent narwhal]

that you have marked this item in your inventory

or marked something that needs this item atleast

[viscid spade]

ahhh ok. thats new right?

[summer seal]

How do you build Hestia Artemis? I mean obviously Hestia on attack, but anything else in particular it is looking for?

[fervent narwhal]

no its been there since the games release

[viscid spade]

ok dont mind me

[compact nest]

Basically the exact same as mel, just sometimes you proc the parry for the damage

[fervent narwhal]

@summer seal you have a tab for it in your inventory

[compact nest]

Full hestia, poseidon duo is possible etc

[summer seal]

Cool cool, been a minute since I've played, since early patch 3 maybe, and just trying to get a grasp of how different aspects are building these days.

Charon blitz is gonna be Strom Ring cast and Zeus on special and then whatever else to get origination going I assume? Maybe that demeter cast rider that gives a status

[warped fjord]

recommended boons I should get as a must for moros torches 32F on the surface?

I heard hearth gain is the first one I should aim for

[elder spoke]

I kinda love how hard ||Prometheus|| is rn though they'll probably change at least some part of it

[steel sequoia]

they nerfed eris too, its just a launch state

[thick knoll]

ok so questioni got aspect of thanatos and momus on max what should i put in nigtmare now?
(nothing else levelled)

[steel sequoia]

depends on what you like playing tbh

most people dont adapt to skulls or flames, but a lot of people like them

[thick knoll]

can look at them but do you have a aspect to reccomend

[steel sequoia]

i think people would say you should level charon axe and pan blades if you like them somehow

idk if moros got nerfed really hard, someone should know better to help

[loud moat]

One thing I noticed with blades now is that while the regular special comes back to you (and grants you backstab), Omega special doesnt return (like the old Hammer).

Am I wrong or does Omega special seem a bit useless without either Pan or a hammer then?

Like you can use it with Posidon to keep people back I guess

[amber plover]

Thanks for this. I'll check it out when my Steam Deck gets some charge

The Sister Blades builds, too

[loud moat]

But the Pan/Return Hammer combo seems to be dead in the water.

[steel sequoia]

i dont think you want to use special with blades essencialy, should be intuitive like not attacking with charon axe.

[thick knoll]

thanatos axe is fun i find

not sure if its conidered strong or not though

[steel sequoia]

flames and skulls are really unique, you should play them before upgrading it and see if you like the aspect

staff are basically all the same, axe is fine, blades are fine

[thick knoll]

reccomend me a aspect for skull and flames i look at them

[steel sequoia]

the easiest might be mel skull and eos flames

i only do not recommend medea, the rest is fine

persephone is different bc its omega centered but i like it

moros use to be the best one, but they nerfed so idk how it is rn

im a fan of persephone and EOS myself, i like to play both

[willow acorn]

Yeah Just started using pan now and like what the hell, That is bad. Its just... less damage to use magic basically lol.

[past salmon]

how do Medea deniers still exist

[steel sequoia]

get over Foolish medea is not fun

cant recommend it to a newcomer

[past salmon]

I think saying its bad because you personally dont like it is weird
They very well could like it so

[loud moat]

Its like the worst of both worlds. Special knives don't really have a niche. Its a weird mix between AoE and single target damage.

It looks cool af. But in application, doesnt really do anything helpful that just spamming attack would do.

[willow acorn]

I mean, pan knives were my favourite, and this update I was like oh cool basically a free hammer that is.... oh... bad.

[loud moat]

I guess if you want to apply a curse to multiple enemies at once. But for things like scorch, it procs down before you can even apply it again

Maybe freeze

Heph blast is a no go for special cause im pretty sure it CLANGS on the first foe, not all of them

[willow acorn]

shotgun them. Or the straight line hammer.

[loud moat]

should be the default special. Then turn the current special into a Hammer with some sort of damage/(something unique I cant think of right now) bonus

I guess thats what Spiral knives kinda does as a niche. Its a strange position to be in.

[high lion]

Is that a hermes boon

[obtuse cape]

Nope, ||Athena||

[high lion]

ah I only encountered that one for the first time so didnt get a chance to gift but im aiming next time because they were my favourite in the first game

[willow acorn]

Haven't seen her before Olympus yet, but I mean you can just take soot sprint.

[agile kraken]

What are your guys 30 grasp arcana builds? I see that a lot of the arcana have changed since I last played. I'm curious to see what you guys think is strong or not.

[stark crane]

had a concept for an incredibly stupid build that could be funny
step 1. ||Grab Athenas keepsake, find her and get Stalwart step. I would recommend a strength build.||
Step 2. Die EVERY single room until you get down to Tartarus.
Step 3. Find dad and grab last gasp.

[bleak night]

yeah, speedrunner cord mentioned this one

[timber pawn]

Mostly joking, to be clear, but you could get some serious grandpa damage in theory lol

[stark crane]

oh yeah it is so impractical but its so funny

[spare kite]

Beautiful

[bleak night]

that sounds really fun tho

[obtuse cape]

I'll reiterate: Soot sprint just eats the projectiles. Divine Dash sends all of them back into her for tons of damage without needing to attack.

Not to mention you can have both at once with hilarious results

[stark crane]

real talk, Strength builds got the works this update, I am unironically running them

[spare kite]

Strength is so fun

[obtuse cape]

I did test out Phalanx shot and oh boy did our boy Prom hate it.

One Pshot into his punch combo took one whole bar from him

[stark crane]

Holy toledo

[sudden coyote]

What do the new familiars give you?

[stark crane]

the bird gives you crits

[spare kite]

Birb is general crit chance, if it attacks an enemy it marks them like the artemis boon, works for pickaxe

[fervent narwhal]

@stark crane i havent unequipped strength or the bird since it came out

[spare kite]

I haven't used doggo yet

[sudden coyote]

It gives you crit chance? How much?

[spare kite]

General crit is 4% iirc, idk how much is the mark boost

[willow acorn]

Man, just died to an apparently unavoiable prometheus attack, but they are at least working correctly now.

[sudden coyote]

17% with aspect of Thanatos then

[spare kite]

It makes Circe's pet item really funny

I love 8% crit off my pet

[fervent narwhal]

@sudden coyote every aspect of damage can make him hit someone i think it is wich adds a mark.. 4% might not sound like a lot but trust me it is

unless i read it wrong

but its good and pretty often, atleast on bosses

[stark crane]

its so god damn good

[sudden coyote]

Ran it with aspect of melione axe and it was doing numbers

[fervent narwhal]

the dog isnt that bad either btw

[sudden coyote]

Also got a Aphrodite/zeus omega special combo on umbra flames with it

[fervent narwhal]

i just want a toula rework

[sudden coyote]

What the dog doing?

[fervent narwhal]

gives you a shovel
can someone dig up mana or heals
sometimes stun enemies during the combat

not as good as raki ofc but the stun isnt that rare and quite nice if you get overwhelmed easily

[sudden coyote]

Honestly I get the theme of cat with nine lives so a death defiance effect makes sense. But it’s so niche compared to frinos

[sick tide]

Wait, Pan was nerfed??? Not my favorite knife aspect…

[fervent narwhal]

no numbers though, upgrades just increase the stun chance, dig spots and heals/mana

@sudden coyote oh i dont want them to remove dd or fishing rod, but the ability is so bad compared to the others

[sudden coyote]

The attack? Or the health replenish

[fervent narwhal]

the attack

[spare kite]

Toula attacks?

[fervent narwhal]

you run over her to get her to attack

only time that happens is if i run over her on accident but shes most likely getting ignored by me or crossmap

[sudden coyote]

Honestly maybe have it so that toula can reflect an attack while she’s sleeping if she’s interrupted by an enemy

[tribal wedge]

Yo! What's good on the xinth? I wanna test this bad boy out rn!

[bleak night]

what aspect

[tribal wedge]

Mel

[bleak night]

Aphro/Hera/Apollo punch and Zeus missiles is nice for attack builds, Scorch with Static Shock and Storm Ring for dash attack. They're the same button, but the playstyle and damage type are widely different

[past salmon]

Zeusssssss

[bleak night]

It's honestly really versatile

[fervent narwhal]

@sudden coyote that might be fine, might write a feedback post about it later, now with raki and hecuba shes just so overshadow by the rest.. shes either a fishing sim or a early game helper for her dd.. noone picks her because of the ability while thats why most pick every other familiar

[tribal wedge]

Oh ok, I normally avoid Zeus like the plague, cool to see he's good on xinth

[steel sequoia]

new aspects are mel, selene and?

[tribal wedge]

Nyx

Which is wicked cool

[fervent narwhal]

me

[sudden coyote]

Kratos is that you?

[steel sequoia]

ive played it but felt weird from the charging perspective

30 mana dashing are costly in early

[distant root]

anyone got a build for medea skull?

[distant root]

Athena!!! I AM the God of War!

[lament spoke]

these messages are way back but blades omega special + the hammer that makes them bounce is really efficient for applying status curses to large groups of guys. but that's also kinda niche

[steel sequoia]

imo if you playing special blades you only need pan, pos special, spiral knives and not dying. everything else is just a fun chill build.

[restive olive]

im stuck using only the axe because of the insane damage + massive health boost it gives. i struggle when i use anything other than the axe because of that tiny amonut of health. idk what to do.

its getting boring.

[lament spoke]

i am an artemis blades girlie. hence my only use for the special being "break pots from the other side of the room" and "kill those little eyeball guys"

[lament spoke]

if you upgrade frinos you can get extra health, or put on god mode (increases damage resistance every time you die)

[steel sequoia]

how much fear are you playing? yeah frinos upgrade helps

[restive olive]

i JUST got the ability to get familiars, so ill do that now.

Right now, 0 fear, but with the axe i can do up to 4. I literally just lost 3 death defiances to Hecate which hasnt happened since I started the game lol

[steel sequoia]

oh u early gaming, just take ur time than dont worry, but improving frinos helps

[lament spoke]

oh how many nights in are you? yeah, i didn't get beyond scylla for ages

[restive olive]

i've done chronos and olympus several times now

[lament spoke]

oh slay

[steel sequoia]

the early grind is harsh, but when you have a good settup its easier to do different weapons

[restive olive]

the axe no longer being able to block is put me off of it.

[lament spoke]

yeah, frinos can give you a bunch of extra health, as can the titan arcana (? i think that one)

[restive olive]

45 Nights so far

[steel sequoia]

i have more than 500 and im still bad

[low bear]

Hmm I do not like Xinth so far, it feels extremely clunky, maybe even worse than og torches

[lament spoke]

once i realised it was like shield and not fists it made more sense to me

[thick knoll]

Thoughts on xinith aspects?

[restive olive]

sorry i know this isnt really the place to ask but i cant find a result for it, how do i actually upgrade Frinos?

[steel sequoia]

im using it like blades and feels weird, i didnt like the aspect tbh look too much futuristic

[restive olive]

i tried loking for a menu for it and I dont see anything.

[low bear]

also I hate losing the block on Axe because Xinth took the gimmick

[restive olive]

this is how i feel so bad rn.... 😦

[lament spoke]

you need the incantation that gives you the little skull beast treats. unfortunately i do not remember what it is called

[steel sequoia]

you need to give cookies to him, you can craft them in the 2nd or 3rd tab of the calderon

[restive olive]

I've got the cookies

[bleak night]

Haven't seen you in a while hello

[restive olive]

I just don't know how to give him them. he's just following me about.

[steel sequoia]

if im not mistaken you give em next to weapons?

[low bear]

hey Mynt, jumped back in after hearing about the major update

[lament spoke]

oh when you go over to him it should have an option you can click. i've forgotten what it's called but it's G on keyboard

[bleak night]

New weap is fun. About to sleep in a bit, but I can give you tips if you need some

[low bear]

Even Charon felt like it got a major nerf because it lost the axe block on special charge

[thick knoll]

Which aspect on the cloack do you all think is best?

[bleak night]

Selene

[low bear]

yeah I might need to just learn the builds and playstyle but I haven't looked anything up trying to experiment for myself

[restive olive]

I only have the option to 'invite' him.

[thick knoll]

Really?

[low bear]

Selene definitely feels like it's the best

[bleak night]

Yeah

[thick knoll]

Expected that to be the worst just looking at it

[low bear]

the Hex is kinda like a weaker Zeus Call from H1

[bleak night]

Selene just feels weird because the way to play it is unorthodox. I have a video up if you wanna see how I play it

[steel sequoia]

i had a little trouble with the new special before the charge but ill get used to it, not blocking is harsh tho

[thick knoll]

Nice

[thick knoll]

Send me

[bleak night]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r-_c_YWpU38

[low bear]

also was kinda disappointed to see that Dio and Athena ended up being "bonus" boons

[lament spoke]

then he's already a familiar

[bleak night]

@rugged moon

You also liking Selene, right?

[restive olive]

yes but I want to upgrade him

[thick knoll]

Just unlocked it and forms im more or less fine with Athena not so much with diyo

[lament spoke]

invite him and then see if you can give him something?

[rugged moon]

am garbage at it but yes am liking it

[low bear]

yeah Athena is fine and her keepsake is actually a really cool design

[restive olive]

The only options I've got is "rest" and when I go back to his original point , like in this guide, https://www.gamesradar.com/games/hades/hades-2-familiars/ , i can only confide in him. i have biscuits.

[bleak night]

Selene is unique because the playstyle is around keeping your Hex uptime as much ss you can

[low bear]

but Dio not being a main god was disappointing

[thick knoll]

Intressting how are mel and nyx?

[low bear]

and now we only really have Ares left from the 12 olympians, I wonder if he'll be a main god

[steel sequoia]

ive played bunch of nyx and it feels like its a bad mel version, im trying to max mel first before playing it

[thick knoll]

He be the final boss

[low bear]

and is it just me or is Surface like noticeably harder than Underworld

[steel sequoia]

it is, maybe its a patch thing

[thick knoll]

It is

[low bear]

that dragon miniboss in Olympus is TANKY

[rugged moon]

its not just the loop of hex. i just take SO much damage. im not good at the moveset so i just take hits i shouldnt take

[restive olive]

i'm genuinely lost. i dontt see any way to open an 'upgrade' menu for Frinos.

[steel sequoia]

i kill the dragon fine but talon gives me rough times depending on what weapon i am

[low bear]

equip Frinos and go to his spot

[restive olive]

I did, its not there.

[low bear]

I actualy find Talos to be easier because he just melts

[low bear]

maybe you have it maxed?

[restive olive]

I just unlocked him

[thick knoll]

Still havent killed him

Im trying to do it with thanatos axe

Anybody good idea for build for that?

[low bear]

Prometheus?

[bleak night]

Decent and versatile. Nyx allows you for stronger missile barrages and punches, Mel allows you to sprint faster for easier darting in and out. In general, Nyx is stronger if you consistently have Nightspawn buff timers up, but Mel is just fun because more speed feels good to have

[low bear]

also I kinda hate the Sorceress and Silver Wheel change/nerf

[thick knoll]

Yes

[restive olive]

https://imgur.com/a/y2YE31H

[rugged moon]

try just doing a run and dying if you havent

[restive olive]

okay.

[rugged moon]

it might just be something weird about having just recruited

[low bear]

you upgrade him in the weapons area with Skelly

[steel sequoia]

maybe you need a new night to feed him the cookies, idk

[low bear]

and yeah try doing a run maybe they don't allow you to upgade right after getting the pet

[steel sequoia]

think you can upgrade 1 time by night if im not mistaken

[thick knoll]

Think you need to use new incantations dont you

[restive olive]

its an album. i showed both areas.

[low bear]

once you reach the endgame of upgrades, you kinda just forget all the sutff you had to unlock along the way lol

[thick knoll]

Do feel it on than axe im more using normal atk now

[low bear]

it feels like Omegas got even more nerfed with the Sorceress change

and it's a hard sell to equip Silver Wheel just to get the effect back, when you've got something as good as Moros keepsake

[thick knoll]

Right now using skelly because promotheus fight

Insta kill move is annoying mostly second one

[steel sequoia]

90% of times i use Blackened Fleece or Engraved Pin , but ive already have everything maxed

[thick knoll]

God keepsakes

[steel sequoia]

i miss pom

[surreal hazel]

Yeah okay Flick knives is disgusting now

[thick knoll]

Anyway pack in thanatos axe for Surface run

[surreal hazel]

add in melting dart and armour is just nothing

also dash special is different now?

fires a pair of non-returning darts in a very tight spread

new axe special seems like an effective way of skipping the slow final attack from the main sequence

[thick knoll]

Right now for thanatos aspect on surface
i try Demeter attack
Zeus cast
Demeter Zeus duo
Aphrodite mana regen

Any advice/improvements?

[surreal hazel]

no real need to be so hard and fast on those boons

basically than can make basically anything work

[steel sequoia]

id sink the most life i could in axe for prom run

[low bear]

Hera is usually the "best" for Thanatos axe then you could go Demeter cast for the freeze safety

[thick knoll]

Try that next then what you think of mana regen?

[low bear]

Hestia I guess, born gain is good too especially if you get the Medea MP boon

[surreal hazel]

Than isn't particularly magicka hungry

so you can just use glamour gain to have easy curses and damage reduction

[low bear]

Apollo works too since you're usually melee range

[thick knoll]

True

[surreal hazel]

Aphrodite on attack or special is absolutely fine

[low bear]

Aphro is fine but iirc it doesn't affect the full range of the axe

[surreal hazel]

no, but it's enough

[thick knoll]

Look into that will look up duo too if i see anything useful there

[surreal hazel]

it's just raw power

[low bear]

spinning is gonna be hard against Prometheus I imagine since he's so agile, you might be better off normal attacking

unless you have psychic

[surreal hazel]

yeah, spinning is usually unsafe

[heavy palm]

Quick question: What the basic attack damage on Xinth attack?

[surreal hazel]

usually have to dash cancel it

[heavy palm]

Can't see it in the description.

[surreal hazel]

30 for attack and special

omega attack goes up to 150 iirc

[heavy palm]

Ahh okay, so "Air Quality" does nothing for me.

[low bear]

letting prometheus do his memory game attack while ads are still there is EVIL

[surreal hazel]

not for the buttons, but it still benefits boon damage, gale force, scorch etc all love a bit of air quality

[thick knoll]

I can tell from expieriece it doesnt work its strong but dude deals lot of damage really we need a damage reduction on spinn at this point especially since charging doesnt Slow time anymore

[heavy palm]

Yeah, not running Hestia on this one.

[low bear]

yeah omegas got really hurt but Sorceress change

[surreal hazel]

basically air quality never benefits your actual attacks or specials since most boons take you above the 30 threshold

[low bear]

they were already in a bad spot before the patch too

[thick knoll]

Yes but especially bad on thanatos axe

[low bear]

air quality is kinda bad for how much it requires tbh

should be knocked down to 3 or 4 air

[restive olive]

just died, still cannot upgrade frinos.

[surreal hazel]

makes glorious disaster almost good

[pine wind]

what's the general opinion on Raki (crit) vs Frinos (HP & trolling Hecate)? with Mel Xinth avoiding the hex is easier so the crit is kind of tempting, but it seems like a lot of HP to give up.

[low bear]

Omegas require charge time and requires mana which is a lot to have to deal with and the payoff usually isn't worth it

[surreal hazel]

missile salvos are still worth it

also managed to have an omega attack build on xinth that was actually pretty cool

bonus missiles for blocking and bonus damage for full charge

[low bear]

it's kinda funny how high fear runs of Staff ignore the omega completely when all of the aspects are geared towards omegas lol

[surreal hazel]

new base special is actually pretty good tbh

great for stripping blue shields, great for spreading curses

had a toasting fork blitz build going with a bit of king's ransom

and that was very fire and forget

[wispy horizon]

I think air quality could be upped to 45

It's quite niche atm

[surreal hazel]

Make it 5x Air

[low bear]

I'm sad I was hoping for an aspect that mixed in specials and attacks seamlessly

like actually have Atk-Spec-Atk as a combo string or something

[surreal hazel]

Axe says hi

[thick knoll]

Speaking of omega

Any omega you actually use?

Feel like im mostly only using it on cast

[surreal hazel]

Also daggers

[wispy horizon]

That's fair, i much prefer the infusion boons which increase per element not just a flat buff

[restive olive]

ok, it has to be a bug that the familiar menu isnt there anymore.

[low bear]

Persephone I guess, Pan but that's painful on high fear, Artemis actually benefited from the Sorceress change

And Moros ofc

[surreal hazel]

Torch omega special

And omega attack

[lament spoke]

yeah art daggers attack omega is like the only one i use. also staff attk but i don't run high fear

[thick knoll]

How are you all on casts normal or omega?

[low bear]

pretty much always Normal

maybe if I'm messing around with Momus but I still almost always forget it lol

[surreal hazel]

Depends on whose I have

[pine wind]

100% normal

[thick knoll]

Bad sign for selene

[low bear]

yeah I don't know a build where omega cast is actually optimal tbh

Charon's entire point is not needing to charge the omega cast too

[thick knoll]

Apollo cast maybe against cerberus

[surreal hazel]

Geyser spout with lightning lance

[pine wind]

I just throw cast to lock cerbie in and wail on him with attacks

[surreal hazel]

Deletes things

[low bear]

ehh uhh it's not really good enough from my experience

even on Charon, Apollo omega cast is bad lol

[twilit timber]

How do you build for infusions? I have had a couple runs where I got the elements by luck but I can't seem to every get any consistent builds with them

[low bear]

not being able to put down another cast while apollo omega cast is exploding really hurts

[surreal hazel]

Infusions aren't the foundation of any build tbh, they're all support boons

[rugged moon]

Omega cast is great with early high fear staff/coat/pan daggers

[surreal hazel]

Except maybe air quality

[twilit timber]

I see

It just feels like I never get to try them, kinda sad

[surreal hazel]

Chant is a special case

[rugged moon]

You o-cast, clear the rebuke. Let the cast kill

[last cape]

Is aspect of nyx worth anything? Seems pretty bad

[surreal hazel]

Brawling

[low bear]

Nyx feels really bad in my experience

[last cape]

Brawling yes but melinoe gives move and attack speed

[low bear]

we should have gotten invul or something after it charges

[surreal hazel]

Ramming enemies for damage and big aoe

[low bear]

it feels like I charge into a crowd and get omegalul'd by having to eat some attack

[twilit timber]

I am not really an optimiser as such but I can just about identify consistently working combos and build around them, but never really got the point of infusions. Only time I found one useful was waaaay early when the Demeter Earth one capped max damage to 15

[last cape]

150 damage for 30 mana

[twilit timber]

And that too I basically got right outside chronos' room

[last cape]

It's a lot worse than like old smithy sprint for example

And the extra hits are useless vs bosses

[low bear]

yeah it's kinda goofy that they took the arguably worst sprint boon and turned it into an entire aspect

[silent crow]

infusions are just funny silly extras

[last cape]

It's a lot worse than smithy sprint too

[surreal hazel]

Smithy sprint was kinda busted good

[thick knoll]

Wonder if or new weapon has any aspect that will become top tier

[last cape]

Smithy sprint at least did a ton of damage

[surreal hazel]

Grand caldera made it lulzy

[twilit timber]

Sad, I liked being able to relatively consistently get those broken but funny things in H1

[last cape]

Probably mel coat imo

[low bear]

ehh I never found it worth it over the utility/curses that other sprints gave me

[surreal hazel]

Nerfing it allowed Frenzy to safely be a Bright

[silent crow]

you can consistently get them

infusions are as common as common boons but trying to build into them is inconsistent

[surreal hazel]

They're hard common. Weirdly

[twilit timber]

Ohhh wait I think I know why I don't get any then

I have that rare or epic arcana perma enabled basically

[surreal hazel]

The gane rolls rarity first, and infusions only appear if the slot is rolled as a common

[twilit timber]

That must be overriding the infusions

[low bear]

infusion boons should be a fourth choice that pops up randomly instead of taking another boon slot, then it'd feel a lot better

[surreal hazel]

Proper upbringing literally blocks infusions from appearing

[twilit timber]

Not sure if the game puts infusions in the common category tho

[silent crow]

idk i still get infusions often and i use those arcana

[last cape]

Some of the infusions are okay I guess

[surreal hazel]

It does in basically every sense

[silent crow]

someone datamined it it does

[thick knoll]

Seems to have potential

[last cape]

I really like the Aphrodite infusion

[surreal hazel]

Proper upbringing is a rare infusion, oddly

[silent crow]

most infusions are pretty Solid

[low bear]

Hera's infusion procs Arrogance though

[silent crow]

its like 3 mana per boon its not a big deal

[low bear]

yeah but that means it's considered rare and not common

[twilit timber]

Oh yeah gonna turn those off and see a few runs then

[low bear]

kinda weird

[last cape]

6 with two ranks but yeah

[surreal hazel]

Slow cooker can be a bit meh if you're using skulls

[last cape]

New arrogance isn't like a huge problem for most builds, even ones that do use magick

[thick knoll]

So with this update and chances it brought will Charon stop being best weapon?

[silent crow]

its probably moros now

[low bear]

slow cooker is kinda anti synergy if you have Hestia's attack since you want a % boon with power

[obtuse cape]

So uhhh I just accidentally tested something and it's stronger than I thought it would be.

Mel Xinth coat actually makes Beach Ball viable as a Duo because of how fast it lets her generate them.

I cleared Giant Sea Serpent in 2 seconds, actual time, with just beach balls.

[silent crow]

not rly since all % boosts are additive

[low bear]

Moros was the best even before imo (Axe does have block which at high skill could be better), with Axe block nerf I think Moros is solidly top

[surreal hazel]

But both of those want a rapid attacking weapon, oddly

[thick knoll]

Damn torches top tier

[last cape]

Yea you can get around it with other additive boosts

[low bear]

yeah but it's still multiplicative with power

[last cape]

But you definitely prefer to not have hestia attack with slow cooker

[surreal hazel]

Slow cooker and martial art are excellent bedfellows

[magic moss]

its still very much up in the air with what is the strongest aspect now, especially with the changes to the aspects/weapons and the addition of new vows

[last cape]

Moros is still pretty strong but I've never been very good with the torches lol

[thick knoll]

I know just curious of Charon would stop ben ng it

[surreal hazel]

Self healing is a very odd one

[magic moss]

according to foolish, moros doesnt work with hearth gain and huntress anymore, which that + sorceress changes decrease its effective power by quite a bit (though born gain + hecuba is a very good alternative), and charon lost its ability to block but its damage output is still insanely high

[last cape]

I feel like I get killed because I'm fighting close range with a weapon that adds a ton of visual clutter

[low bear]

Charon got hurt by axe block and loss of Sorceress, so I think Moros clears comfortably

[last cape]

I disagree I actually think the sorceress change helps the torches

Since sorc now benefits both omega moves

[magic moss]

medea also got buffed from what im hearing from speedrunners/foolish but for high fear the Vow of Fangs introduces MANY mechanics that just absolutely ruin Medea

[low bear]

and yeah new Sorceress does help Moros since you didn't proc it on attack anyway

[silent crow]

martial art kinda blows ngl

[surreal hazel]

Doesn't sorc now work great on torches?

[low bear]

yeah it does, even another point in favor of Moros over Charon

[last cape]

Axe in general got nerfed pretty hard. I'm not sure what the point of the new special is lol

[silent crow]

martial art doesnt increase omega dmg which sucks pretty bad

[silent crow]

finisher/status applier/tiny mob killer

[surreal hazel]

Interrupting your attack combo and actually mixing curses in

[last cape]

You could do that with the old block right?

[low bear]

yep

[silent crow]

the old block had no range and like 10 dmg

[last cape]

I mean ik they removed the block because of the coat

[surreal hazel]

Not being completely boned if you can't use attack due to chaos

[low bear]

but if it's a curse bot then the damage doesn't really matter

[silent crow]

new special hits 3 times for 90 in total

[silent crow]

its good convenience

[surreal hazel]

Ever try to tickle something to death with the block?

[last cape]

It's more damage than the first swing of your combo so that's cool

[silent crow]

i like doing dash attack - special

[last cape]

Is it any good with poseidon?

[inner frigate]

is there a web site or something for builds ?

[silent crow]

havent checked

[surreal hazel]

Flame flourish is actually okay here

[silent crow]

no way

[surreal hazel]

Flutter flourish is wowzer

[silent crow]

flame flourish is less than the atk rmbr you get like nothing still

[surreal hazel]

Triple damage for 5x25 damage?

[obtuse cape]

new axe special is okay on Wave flourish if you have the boon setup for it but there is much better weapons for wall comboing tbh

[silent crow]

ya i did this one it was fun

[last cape]

but yeah I can understand why the axe not having a block is necessary but it's sad

[silent crow]

oh i thought it was 3x30

[last cape]

The old block had a lot of cool tech

[surreal hazel]

Not used the new shredder hammer

[silent crow]

is that the hammer that increases the range?

[surreal hazel]

Is it? Maybe it's because I had strength on or something

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, that

[silent crow]

oh it sucks it literally places it farther in front of you

you have to sweetspot it and i havent gotten it to hit 3 times ever

[surreal hazel]

It boomerangs?

[silent crow]

could be a skill issue but id rather put in that effort into literally anything else

[silent crow]

nope it literally just. places a hitbox 5 years away from you

[surreal hazel]

Why is that harder to hit all three?

[obtuse cape]

I think it's meant to combo with something like a cast combo

throw lightning lance then drop special

[silent crow]

because theres no indicator where it will go and it doesnt hit enemies in between the start and end point

[autumn nymph]

was ||Eris and the rift of thessaly in general|| made easier since there is now ||olympus||

[magic moss]

hahahahahahahahahahaha no in facts its harder in high fear :)

[surreal hazel]

Charybribadibdib or whatever it's called got nerfed hard

[autumn nymph]

weird cuz i could never beat it on 32 fear and now i first tried almost to ||olympus final boss||

[last cape]

It's a more fun fight now imo

[autumn nymph]

didnt roll charyb that run thankfully

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, more patterns, just fewer phases

[autumn nymph]

maybe the fear options are more lenient now???

[obtuse cape]

Just get Divine Dash, I cleared Eris while taking no hits in Fear 7 with it. It's all you really need honestly

[magic moss]

i play 40+

[autumn nymph]

i miss what they have taken from us

[silent crow]

arrogance doesnt give as much fear anymore so maybe not

[surreal hazel]

"Your brother's favourite"

[silent crow]

anyway whys thessaly harder in high fear now? is it fangs

[magic moss]

wandering (or whatever its called now) makes olympus enemies spawn in rift + fangs exist

[silent crow]

oh LMAO

[autumn nymph]

yea im kinda sad i never cleared 32 heat on the surface before they added region 3

[magic moss]

so take the machine gun make it massive with some other effect and fight against it + 4 other elites in a narrow ship

[autumn nymph]

but now i guess i get to do it legit now

[magic moss]

its not fun

Foolish hasnt cleared surface 50 yet (tho he hasnt really put in many hours but the fact that he was able to get 3/3 coat 50F in underworld within 24 hr is kinda telling) with moros or medea yet

[autumn nymph]

i may have also just had a god build with demeter strike melione axe

and like 6 poms on it

[magic moss]

like surface is really hard on 50F now

it used to be decently easy before olympus but now jeez

[steel sequoia]

tbh i think surface is really hard on 16F now

[lament spoke]

i just died on a 12 fear run :]

[surreal hazel]

Fig leaf to victory or something

[lament spoke]

i love watching the 50f people talk but also i will put on 2 ranks of speedy enemies for gotta go fast points and thats it

[last cape]

Are ripper rockets worth anything?

I have static shock and I might go for poseidon special so it'd be kind of funny but it looks bad

[magic moss]

i havent cleared 32F surface yet so

[surreal hazel]

Maybe if the missiles weren't designed by dionysus

[lament spoke]

i haven't cleared 32f anything 😭 i have done 16 in both directions though

[surreal hazel]

They seem to be powered by red wine

[lament spoke]

tbh idk if i ever got to 32 on h1 but i did get a 10.04 finish time once. and that's what really matters To Me

[surreal hazel]

And guided with it

[wide flicker]

Kind of miss the block on Axe.......but Seething Marauder feels quite powerful......

[last cape]

I did 49f underworld one time lol

[magic moss]

right if yall want im already adding 50F clears to the sheet and we have currently 10 coat runs finished with vods so check them out if you want

[last cape]

No onion no arcana lock

[magic moss]

just be sure to read the intro, made quite a few updates to it

[lament spoke]

that's insane. hades players are insane

[last cape]

That's pre patch though

[surreal hazel]

One thing that is worth mentioning is that +80% speed on missiles also means 80% more range

[lament spoke]

you guys are bonkers i have so much respect but so much fear. or very little fear depending on how you look at it

[last cape]

The missile speed hammer is very nice qol

[magic moss]

thanks!

[last cape]

I've been getting used to them though, I don't think it's necessary if you have better options

[magic moss]

ive been trying to cook up some staff builds

[lament spoke]

i have been somewhat cooking with blades lately. i think anyway. chain lightning go brrrr

[magic moss]

oooo yeah static shock baby so good

[last cape]

hmm how's launcher frame?

I have static shock so it seems good here

[lament spoke]

oh also is surface just straight up Longer or does it just feel that way

like thessaly feels like it takes 800 years

[last cape]

Each individual region is longer but there's no fourth region yet so underworld runs take slightly longer

[lament spoke]

oh okay bet

[last cape]

Oh also the surface is a lot harder than the underworld so that can also make it take longer

[lament spoke]

i'm rly hoping olympus part 2 is like. shorter in terms of... encounters? regions? whichever procs herc's keepsake

[last cape]

I've been getting better at the eris fight but i still hate her 😭

[lament spoke]

lion's fang my best friend my rotten soldier my good time boy

i love eris but i. i don't have an explanation actually. you can dash through her a lot and that makes life easier

[magic moss]

surface currently by the end of olympus is ~40-45 encounters depending on how many side rooms you take, underworld fully is 42 no tartarus side rooms taken

[last cape]

Lol I've been doing no death defiance runs so that I can level up the athena keepsake

[magic moss]

it feels long because it IS long

[last cape]

Divine dash cheeses eris

[lament spoke]

okay slay

[last cape]

Oh wow for real?

[obtuse cape]

Launcher frame is strong on it's own but I've found that if you have the holy trinity of Riser/Shimmering/Launcher together, you basically turn in a decipticon

[last cape]

nice

[obtuse cape]

Man does that trinity with Nyx just wipe the map away

[last cape]

Ripper rockets seem pretty mid

[lament spoke]

bc i was looking at my times like this is objectively a better build than what i had for the underworld and i was still way over. and that's partly because i'm Less Good at the surface. but also because its literally longer. good to know

[obtuse cape]

Ripper Rockets are only strong if you are running Aphro Special build, then they can get obnoxiously strong

[last cape]

I love the olympus enemies

[magic moss]

yes

[lament spoke]

olympus is so FUN

[obtuse cape]

Sheepbot is still my favorite miniboss 😄

[last cape]

Yeah my god options in ephyra are zeus/poseidon/heph/hera

[obtuse cape]

All hail Sheepbot

[last cape]

so I was thinking of doing omega special stuff

[obtuse cape]

The best build atm for Omega Special Coat is Selene but it's nuanced

You have to moon beam reroll until you get a good tree

Preferably one that gives the beams same effect as your attack boon

[autumn nymph]

i genuinely find polyphemus harder but i think its cuz im impatient and end up getting hit by 1 jump 4 times

[last cape]

I've gotten a lot better at polyphemus lately, patience is definitely key in that fight, and knowing when to press your advantage

Getting comfortable dashing through his blast rings like you do to hecate gives you a lot of damage opportunities that you wouldn't otherwise get

[lament spoke]

yeah get dashing

[last cape]

And then get used to dashing out when you know he can attack again too, since the jump is so hard to react to especially with speed

[low bear]

that one part where he's constantly making pulses while walking is kinda bs for melee tho

but yeah, Poly is pretty okay if you get the move down

on the other hand I find Eris actually deadlier than Prometheus lol

Eris's damage is just STUPID

[last cape]

Eris is the fight I'm worst at, and that's including the boss I've only fought three times

[low bear]

I died more to Eris on my runs than Prometheus on new patch lol

I probably have a worse win rate on Eris than Chronos actually lol (not counting timeouts on 45+ fear)

[lament spoke]

I think I genuinely die the most by getting stuck on some fire <3

[steel sequoia]

the final bursts from eris are out of hand, you lose like 2DD so quick

[low bear]

and so far I'm 3/4 on Prometheus and I killed him first two runs, I died while using Xinth because I just don't know how to use it rn lol

[lament spoke]

yeah I lost my first Chronos in ages on Xinth

[low bear]

Charybdis is also a SLOG especially when you're on a timer

genuinely think this fight should have timer paused lol

[last cape]

Is it possible to use Athena's keepsake to get two athena boons?

[sweet kettle]

Wait athena is in Hades 2?

[low bear]

yes she was just added

[odd ruin]

question, did they nerf the Poseidon attack boon?

[stoic badger]

The Jacket seems quite strong, I’ve ran a few attack based ones and just did a Poseidon special and it feels fun

[autumn nymph]

SAY SIKE RN

DIVINE DASH MY BELOVED IM COMING!

[low bear]

Divine Dash is here

but uhhh yeah it's not what it was in H1 lol

[autumn nymph]

so we're like partially back? not so back?

[low bear]

also Athena is surface only limited god, like Artemis

[lament spoke]

her keepsake can have her show up on the way down

and art shows up both places?

[low bear]

I haven't encountered Art yet as of this patch, not sure if they made her underworld only now

[lament spoke]

i got her last surface run iirc

[low bear]

I keep running into Herc tho