h2-builds-and-combat

[acoustic remnant]

maybe ill try high heat when i have his attack patterns memorized

[limpid coral]

the series of wailers spawning one every 3 seconds at the end of a room:

[cursive oyster]

with axe just point at him and right click whenever he does something scary

[acoustic remnant]

does axe block his slash attacks wtf

[cursive oyster]

yeah

[acoustic remnant]

BRO

[limpid coral]

at least the wailer trickle is better than the whisper trickle

[past salmon]

Axe is dishonest

[acoustic remnant]

ive been playing on blades and torches all this time

[cursive oyster]

it also completely deletes the spinny orbs and scythe throw

[acoustic remnant]

oml

[fair narwhal]

Foolish | Medea guy is dishonest

[acoustic remnant]

r u serious what

[limpid coral]

no everyone is lying to you go try it yourself

(yes it is real)

[fair narwhal]

Axe is the hardest weapon in the game

[acoustic remnant]

i havent played axe much bc its kinda slow, the only one i like is than

[bright token]

btw yesterday i came to realisation that the hardest content in the game, aside from occasional unlucky tempus and skull spam in tart, is late 50f+ erebus artemis trials in a small room
you can get endless oppressive spam of armored spindles and hippos with a single boon at your disposal. you need to be at your toppest game to not die

[past salmon]

this boated guy is fake 😭

[cursive oyster]

than axe is goated

[acoustic remnant]

i have no axe wins

[fair narwhal]

Why do you have one boon near the end of Erebus

[acoustic remnant]

only blades/torch

[acoustic remnant]

onion

i assume

[cursive oyster]

“occasional unlucky tempus plus skull spam”
every room is tempus plus skull spam

[past salmon]

nah bro the hardest content in the game is the artemis room I got on 55F Medea the other day 😭
Boated can vouch

[fair narwhal]

That was fire I do vouch

[acoustic remnant]

how do yall get 55

[bright token]

yeah it's when you either go for chaos to reduce the timer or you go for heph at the boss. mint condition does nothing to the trial that lasts over 1 minute

[limpid coral]

this guy is not a boatman believer

[cursive oyster]

usually you can get your wanted core from your keepsake god, a midboss, and at the very least a boon from midshop

[fair narwhal]

You get boon room 3 midshop and boss + potential artificer

[acoustic remnant]

btw r they adding back pool of purging

[fair narwhal]

You just get lucky

[cursive oyster]

sometimes midboss scams you by being offered parallel to shop and then arachne

[acoustic remnant]

i mean 55 fear lol

[bright token]

tempus plus skulls is particularly dangerous. you can somehow play around each one individually but they together exclude too much of your behavior patterns

[past salmon]

play a dishonest weapon

[fair narwhal]

I watched you die out in Erebus on than for an hour yesterday

[past salmon]

bro I played like 3 Than runs and my best run got attack in room 7 😭

[pseudo sequoia]

bad luck like that is why i can't even try imagining high fear onion without artificer

[fair narwhal]

Sounds like a skill issue to me 👍

[cursive oyster]

artificer? you mean the arcana card that turns three minor finds into max mana?

[pseudo sequoia]

yes but it COULD turn it into a boon i want (coping

[fair narwhal]

Downplaying artificer is crazy I will not lie

[limpid coral]

what do u take instead of artificer

[bright token]

yesterday i got back to back runs where i had to spend all 10 rerolls in the first boon selection to see a hera attack

[cursive oyster]

oh i use it and will never turn it off i am just salty

[fair narwhal]

You take yourself back to the crossroads

[limpid coral]

real

[cursive oyster]

nah i turn off artificer and swift runner for STRENGTH BAYBEEE

[fair narwhal]

Arcana is overrated

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1275800641901563994/20240821225600_1.jpg?ex=66c73570&is=66c5e3f0&hm=3dd0b841b3e153c44044afd5ef5d0a59d48abdc2428494f911c10cbb4f4766e7&
man this run would of been fire if I hit any of Artemis, either fountain, either cacoon, or Narc

[limpid coral]

curse of fancy ui
I cannot tell anything about this run other than its probably in like the oceanus endshop

[spare kite]

Just get the rooms

[past salmon]

yeah

also got Chaos gate final room of Oceanus which is just always so cool and awesome

[fair narwhal]

Foolish where is my Medea of the day, it is almost lunch time I’m starting to get sad

[past salmon]

#h2-victory-boasting message
right here

[fair narwhal]

My goat 🥹

[bright token]

what dmg oriented keepsake has a massive dmg boost at rank 4 (from duo) similar to antler?

like if you get hera demeter duo in oceanus and you want to up your fields clear speed

[magic moss]

fang gets an extra 20% iirc

[spare kite]

Additive can't really win against crits tbh

[bright token]

hm. not much. droplet is probably still better due to how important movspeed is

[spare kite]

Was gonna say do droplet yeah

[magic moss]

think thats the only comparable one tho in terms of strict damage upgrades and even then antler dwarfs everything else

[bright token]

unfortunately droplet 4th rank only gives you extra timer

yeah but antler is saved for tart

[magic moss]

well you did say damage oriented keepsakes, ms isnt really a factor when talking about pure damage

i would say droplet is more of a utility keepsake than damage

[bright token]

yeah i mean clear speed. droplet gives you attack speed which is a significant effective tdm for a lot of weapons

[magic moss]

ok then thats different then

idk my best bet would be if you get it early enough fang for oceanus droplet fields antler tart

[bright token]

now to learn to not die with butt naked arcana setup and no pin at 50f

[elfin ivy]

The Fleece could be pretty good if your build is Magick-focused

Tho Idk if the Duo even applies to the Fleece

[spare kite]

It only skips echo/gods iirc

[elfin ivy]

Right... because I know it doesn't work on Odysseus' bones either

[spare kite]

The issue with non antler dmg keepsakes is that they are additive buffs so if you already have a lot of that is like a drop of water lol

[spare kite]

It doesn't buff either of its effects?

[elfin ivy]

Nope. It stayed at Rank III when I picked it at Charon's final shop

[stuck ether]

It doesnt affect your current keepsake

[spare kite]

^

[magic moss]

fleece is good on like charon and persephone and thats about it

[elfin ivy]

Unless it's supposed to actively ignore your currently equipped keepsa- oh

[stuck ether]

Its so annoying that its entirely useless in tart

[magic moss]

on 50F

[elfin ivy]

That's just so stupid man wth 😭

It's already stupid that it affects most keepsakes and not all. 'Cause like... why not???

[stuck ether]

It affects all keepsakes uou put on after oceanus basically which is good enough for me

I just dont want to see it in tart where it wont do anything

[elfin ivy]

The game casually offering Rare Crop at the Tart shop

Bridal Glow at Tart shop is fire tho

[stuck ether]

Bridal glow in tart is fire bc rare is like 6-7 encounters which is all of tart

[elfin ivy]

Unless you're a maniac like me and take all detours in Tart

But even then it's like one derarification so it's chill

[azure notch]

what are the best aspects for each weapon? So far I've been using Momus, Artemis, Moros, Thanatos, and Persephone. Are those all the best for their respective weapons? Or am I way off?

very low confidence about the twin blades and the argent skull aspects. I don't think either of those weapons have any aspects that really blow me away

[past salmon]

the "best" really depends but I can give a high fear perspective ig

Best Staff is Momus although staff aspects don't really mean much at high fear, I think Momus is just best at low fear too though
Best Blades is Artemis
Best Torches is Moros and it isn't even remotely close
Best Axe is Charon that thing is busted
Best Skull is Mel Skulls MEDEA REIGNS SUPREME

[bright token]

idk what anyone says, as soon as you see your mel skull fishing in a pond you wanna immediately throw it away and go medea on any fear

[limpid coral]

Triple ocast is very relevant in erebus but that's about it for staff

[past salmon]

have you tried not throwing your skulls in the pond

[limpid coral]

1.5 seconds 600 damage pretty good for lurker hippo

[bright token]

i have tried but wasn't successful

[past salmon]

rip

[limpid coral]

Worm running along a wall is literally impossible to hit

[bright token]

i mean i was once but i'm not doing it again until i have to. or hopefully until the weapon is changed

[limpid coral]

Pls fix cursor sprite

I don't wanna spend 2 seconds locating the cursor when I gotta locate the hippo

[bright token]

just tried hera demeter heph with basically infusioned hera attack, +1 keepsake and nothing else cause i kinda didn't get anything and only got rapid slash before cerb
tart is ok with 50% crit but for 50f speedrun the dmg just isn't there. maybe if you get apollo and boreal gust to go with that it's gonna be alright. the defence is pretty good though, only got one trusty removed in the entire tart

my beloved zeus + aphro combo needs too much time to get online at 50f, hard to grind those erebus starts

[unique folio]

Can someone suggest me an Axe build for 32 vows? I'm trying Aspect of Thanatos + Aphrodite, Poseidon and Demeter but I'm having a hard time with quick enemies such as the werewolf

[granite grove]

That should be a decent enough build to start with from my own experience, though it really depends on the vows you picked

If you can transfer some of the enemy speed fear elsewhere that'd likely solve at least a part of the issue

[unique folio]

Hmm makes sense. Thanks for the feedback, I was afraid it was a terrible build or something. Will try tweaking the vows!

[granite grove]

Also, look into Hephaestus, especially if you're going to be transferring the speed to something like first strike bonus damage

Mint condition and his prime armor are so nice to have when your biggest worry is being run down by fast enemies

[split igloo]

How do you make Moros work? I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but whenever I try to get Omega Attacks going they start roadblocking each other right in front of me.

[unique folio]

Ooh prime armor seems nice indeed!

[spare kite]

Omega special > hold attack

[granite grove]

Yeah Its mostly because of the way armor blocks damage

[spare kite]

Just play it at melee range, can't be hit if they are dead

[split igloo]

O Special lasts long enough?

[spare kite]

If you are planning on going higher I'd keep fury on

[spare kite]

You get a fair amount of O.attacks in yeah

[split igloo]

Cool, thanks.

[spare kite]

Oh yeah also use huntress with moros, omega attacks explosions count as normals

[split igloo]

Oh my.

[spare kite]

Hestia's gain also works with this

[pseudo sequoia]

hearth gain works extremely well though im personally more partial to born gain with moros

[magic moss]

hearth gain is just safer to use since arrogance can make you prime out super fast

[wise idol]

yeah hearth gain on moros is basically just born gain without priming

but born gain can work for a lot of scenarios still

[pseudo sequoia]

yeah it's very much a personal preference thing here

[split igloo]

This is comical.

[elfin ivy]

History has officially been made: I actually found a Hex build I like

Get Wolf Howl, then get Lethality and Tenacity, which make the next Attacks/Specials a guaranteed crit and make you invulr for 1 sec respectively

#h2-victory-boasting message

I don't even bother aiming the blast. Those two alone make it insanely good

[elfin ivy]

Okay y'know what I'm feeling really funky rn: I'll try a run or two with Medea and see if I'll get what Foolish sees in it

Oh wow... nvm it's actually not that bad. The main appeal of it is that an Attack combined with a regular Special rush is surprisingly strong

I think I get what Foolish likes about it too! They use M&KB so aiming Specials is a lot easier

[magic moss]

turn on 50F

foolish does a DAILY 50F medea clear

actual god gamer

[elfin ivy]

How the HECK do they do that? 'Cause wow this is not fast 😭

Tho the unique explosion that the attack does... Goddamn it's got some insane AOE

Already thinking about combining it with Apollo

Hitch will do for now tho

Woah wait lemme put Aphrodite on the Special........

Okay yeah I dig it. It's actually a pretty good Skull.

Not in love with it really, but I get the appeal now

[uneven palm]

Throw Zeus on special it’s great

[pseudo sequoia]

yeah i fear we've all been sleeping on medea, i've been warming up to it a lot lately

im starting to like it a bit more than mel skulls when attempting high fear (which is still second place but either way)

[fair narwhal]

@past salmon you are doing irreparable damage to this community please halt your actions now

[past salmon]

ITS STARTING TO WORK
FINALLY IM GETTING SOMEWHERE

[fair narwhal]

The Medea propaganda has taken hold 😭😭

[elfin ivy]

3 months later, there's a Medea pseudo-cult

[worthy epoch]

Medea is actually good tho

[granite grove]

Medea, in my (admittedly tiny) amount of attempts seems like it can pop off stupidly well

One of my runs had both of the possessed and destructive array hammers, basically meaning constant omega procs
that with Hera's boons that empower your omega attack just makes it a disgusting amount of damage
Not sure how viable it is on high heat due to it being more magick reliant, but lower down that combination shredded my one or two full clears that went all the way

Kinda niche but i like the aspect

[pseudo sequoia]

you might be thinking of a different aspect, medea is possibly the least magick reliant aspect in the game

[granite grove]

Destructive array and Hera's boon make the combination i think of 20 (? might be more, ill check) per cycle

[pseudo sequoia]

unless you just use omega attacks with medea which yeah honestly fair enough

[granite grove]

Which isn't a lot on its own, but in my case the cycle went on for a bit

Its a lot of damage but I definetly had to get more max magick

But yeah if you don't go that far, it's very much free of magick

[pseudo sequoia]

respectable honestly, in my experience it's just easier to go in like beowulf without any magick but i like the approach you have here

[granite grove]

i'll try and find the run i had with it

[past salmon]

Possessed array is fantastic and the best dps hammer on Medea
Destructive array however is pretty bad and not worth it
Better off with rocket bombard for +60 power to ur O-attacks

As for magick, just running hearth gain or smth is enough

[pseudo sequoia]

yea i keep forgetting how good possessed array is, i just shoot for full salvo so that i can get through rebuke quickly until i get a cast or something

[past salmon]

Full Salvo is generally a downgrade,
at best a sidegrade

[lone sequoia]

Bro I’m so washed I used to casually speedrun the first game and now I’m cooked on this game wah la ouiiii

What’s a good build for hammer I wanna use it but it’s hard later on

[granite grove]

Turns out you're right, I was wrong, i got rocket bombard that run, not destructive array, my bad

hammer names are still muddy in my head

[surreal hazel]

Rocket bombard and Full Salvo can be fun, but you'll be relying on your special and cast to clean up

More of a persephone trick, Mel skull's bonus is counteracted by full salvo

since the damage bonus is calculated at the moment you throw the skulls

so if you throw all three skulls in one salvo, all three skulls see that you're holding 3/3 skulls and gets no bonus

[elfin ivy]

What about Looming Ignition? I got it in the Medea run I tried earlier and it turned out pretty dope. More AOE is always profit for me

Went even harder with Salvo

[past salmon]

its ok

[elfin ivy]

Ig it does need proper timing to get the most out of. And the less you have to keep track of on High Fear the better

[surreal hazel]

Skulls seem to have the most odd set of upgrades

and probably the most overall that can just screw you

Thankfully we lost sidelong crash

I wanted to like that mod, but... it broke my head

[bright token]

medea is a good weapon with high skill ceiling. it just highlights the problems with some enemies in this game that need heavy tuning imo, that's the point of frustration playing medea, not the weapon itself

my fav weapons are than axe, medea skull and mel blades

[storm spire]

Im lazy, just came back from the 1 release patch. Seems they rework so many all weapons & boons. Wheres my poseidon nonstop water staff

[bright token]

deadge. momus doesn't have special anymore, staff special is nerfed, moonshot is nerfed. just the usual stuff: one thing is broken, a bomb drops, all the "civilian" suffer as a collateral

a lot of things are good though. and charon with heartthrobs is the current broken thing. until the next patch i presume

[storm spire]

Damn, yeh double moonshot poseidon staff was basically gg.

[cursive oyster]

way more fun than patch 1 tho

[storm spire]

Any build that is more suit for noobs (me) like that? Idk, ive always struggle with the axe despite how good it is

[cursive oyster]

aspect of melinoe torches, start with born gain, hold down left click the whole run

[uneven palm]

Charon probably is the easiest build for axe and in general because you’re not really chopping at all. Use Night, Furies and your casts are popping for 400 in room 1. Start Lucid Gain for infinite magick. Loop is drop a cast, immediately channel special, dash mid-charge if you’re about to get whacked, boom. Get origination online with some combo of special/cast/cyclones and you’re good.

[bright token]

you can try the current momus, its aspect is the only one sensible for the staff. if you play with combination of all omega moves it's very safe. then you can try persephone, it's also quite safe cause you are immortal during the o-special

[storm spire]

Ayo, this axe is cancer, has it always been this strong before? I think its the same since 1st patch, cooking mobs with it atm

[uneven palm]

They sped up the omega special channel time after patch 1 iirc

Also they reworked Apollo’s gain to be basically a perfect match for Charon

[torpid crane]

@magic moss chronos is so inconsistent.. sometimes the guy doesn't spawn any minions during phase 1.4 when he has both flags up but this time he did it

very weird guy

[magic moss]

weird

[turbid zealot]

Momus is an underrated aspect imo, Omoves being echo'd for like 3 seconds is awesome against guardians and non-moving mini bosses

[pseudo sequoia]

idk i feel like momus is perfectly rated lol

from what ive seen of people's opinions it went from "unfun busted" to "slightly less busted but super fun"

[limpid coral]

Its a staff, if u get exodia its good otherwise its just slow

[wild swan]

Yeah I thought Momos was broadly considered the best staff

I have had really fun runs with Mel Staff by getting stuff that also speeds up the omega channel and stacking it but it's not really comparable

[cursive oyster]

i believe in mel staff geyser spout supremacy

not practical but fun

bonus: get sanctity on darkside from selene and win on the spot!

[turbid zealot]

Well I mean it doesnt have the same fame as than or charon aspect, pan or mel aspect for l&o

[cursive oyster]

i am a pan denier

[pseudo sequoia]

idk id go out on a limb and say it goes above the daggers in many people's lists

[limpid coral]

well that's cause it is not good like axe

[pseudo sequoia]

but that may just be bc i don't like the daggers that much

[cursive oyster]

real !

[pseudo sequoia]

though it's been a while since i've done pan daggers, lately i've been sticking to splash/scorch/full backstab mel daggers

[cursive oyster]

as dagger players should

[limpid coral]

like just consider the 12:36 momus 50 with all four attack hammers and great room rng and see that the other weapons still do comparable or better

[magic moss]

you're goated for that run btw

[limpid coral]

I literally just got exodia wdym

No skill run just click click cause I got the god rng and the basic attack does 400 damage per click

[turbid zealot]

I usually go for hestia/aphro duo boon, because infinite scorch is so good

[pseudo sequoia]

ehhhhhh i used to be a bigger fan of it but at a certain point there's no real use for it

like if im consistently getting it into the thousands with how fast the daggers attack id probably get more use out of freezer burn

on a build with low-priority scorch it's pretty handy though

[turbid zealot]

yeah if it was daggers I'd go for blitz for main effect imo

[hexed field]

Does anyone know if Exceptional Talent works with Possessed Array?

Like do those bonus omega attacks when I pick up the skulls also get doubled

Update: it works and doesn't even increase the magick cost of Possessed Array

This is so broken I love it

[pseudo sequoia]

yeah possessed array inexplicably is not affected by magick cost changes

worst of all being the chaos blessing that reduces magick cost 😔 which i found out rather tragicly on a high fear run

[limpid coral]

The hammer says use 10 mana to fire the omega attack

It is not an omega by itself ig so things that say "use less mana" do not affect it

Kinda wack considering chaos curse counts it

[pseudo sequoia]

yeah that's really not great to have, i found out firsthand that you take chaos damage

ideally it should be an exception since it locks you out of your attack too

[limpid coral]

Does talent make the chaos dash curse cost less

[pseudo sequoia]

not sure, never came across that specific interaction

[torpid crane]

@magic moss I miss boatman. I thought I'd get a quick clear before I went into class, but I got repeat runs where my attack boon would never show up despite rerolling and seeing zeus twice. now I'm going into class salty and angry at hippos

[magic moss]

XDD dont let foolish see this

[torpid crane]

mininet second room I rolled artificer and got trusty shield, so I was thinking oh yeah this is the run. next room I see zeus so I get it and spend all my rolls but I couldn't even see storm ring either

the game desperately wanted me to get ionic gain and thunder dash bc they were all epic

[past salmon]

Have you considered running boatman 😭

[torpid crane]

Ponch the Boatman Enjoyer

[magic moss]

XDXDXDXD

[limpid coral]

Leaden Spark just sucks completely
Never clicking this thing again

Yes I want to push the wolf that is running away at 32409mph even further away

[torpid crane]

Leaden Spark + Poseidon run

someone do it

[uneven palm]

They’ll hit a wall eventually

[torpid crane]

@magic moss I think I’m taking back my statement on blitz being hammer proof

I lost to chronos 2.2 with blitz, static shock, and passion ring

I just did not have enough damage

have at least 1 usable hammer

extending wallop was not enough to carry me

[magic moss]

:)

[stuck ether]

Blitz bad

[torpid crane]

No

[stuck ether]

Hestia better

[torpid crane]

I’m not a fan of hestia on staff

passion ring I am starting to like a bit more but the damage there is very ehh

[uneven palm]

Passion ring is nice for rooms it strips hearts quick and gets em all in a nice little clump for murdering

Until it slides a Sop Spindle’s eye laser right into you then I hate it

[wild swan]

Passion Ring supports my 'unable to play without the Furies' addiction

it brings them to me

[torpid crane]

I hate sop spindles with a passion

someone said this in the feedback while back but they should have an indicator for when their attack comes out similarly to how hecate’s lunar ray works

red line appears for split second then attack follows it

[past salmon]

I have a better idea for spindle changes

imo just delete them along with tempus

[tired fulcrum]

Lunar ray indicator kinda sucks

[torpid crane]

hey this guy gets it

[tired fulcrum]

Also the whole funny 5x spin speed it sometimes has

[torpid crane]

@past salmon foolish by chance are you friends with anybody at SGG? (unrelated to spindles and tempus)

[past salmon]

lmfao

[torpid crane]

this guy foolish is 100% connected with SGG. melinoe sometimes just name drops him during runs

I’ll clear a wave and she’ll say “Foolish.” clearly a reference to foolish the player

[modest dagger]

who is tempus again?

oh yeah the hourglass mfs

screw those guys, fr

speaking of annoying enemies, screw the fat guy that sucks mel when she's minding her own business

[elfin ivy]

Foolish if you DO know anyone at SGG please ask them kindly to remove Tempus from the game

Instant improvement of the overall experience imo

[elfin ivy]

Tempus be like: Tartarus has fallen, billions must freeze inside Chronos' instakill

[modest dagger]

one time, I was running to a circle to not get instakilled, but there was one in my path, which blocked me from getting into the circle in time

[elfin ivy]

Many such cases 💔

[tired fulcrum]

Just iframe the instakill

[heady skiff]

i just had a run using pan knives with hestia attack and cast, demeter special, and flick knives

plus their duo with highly flammable

so the dash attack with flick knives would get a bunch of burn and instantly pop it with the special+duo boon

that felt pretty cool

[split igloo]

I did use Wolf Howl yesterday to dodge it, just to see if I could.

[torpid crane]

the timing on wolf howl is pretty generous vs the instakill

@magic moss give me build ideas

I've just been living off of heaven strike

[split igloo]

Yeah, you're in the air for a good second, maybe 1.5.

[torpid crane]

the upgrade path that grants you 1 second of invulnerbility on the other hand.. that one feels terrible to use

or is that just me?

[split igloo]

After landing?

I'd say it's more a matter of not being strong or sexy while a lot of the other upgrades for Wolf Howl are strong and sexy.

[torpid crane]

that's probably a better way of putting it

that 1 second does feel incredibly negligble I think

[split igloo]

It's not bad, just not exceptional the way double-hit or auto-crit are.

[torpid crane]

that's not enough time to perform any significant action and you're better off timing your invulnerbility during the actual wolf howl itself

[split igloo]

I'd say it's more of a "So you don't come down into a bunch of pain" upgrade, except the blast itself will almost always stun stuff you hit with it so you can safely i-frame your way out afterwards.

[torpid crane]

right but if anything that kind of just promotes bad habits or at least less than ideal uses of wolf howl as imo its best use is a get out of jail free card

you should already be using its vanilla effect for that and I feel like the invulnerbility is most useful if you're dive bombing into something bc the general pattern (for me) is wolf howl to safety and immediately dash upon exiting to reposition

[split igloo]

Eeehh, if Medea had any sort of protection for its Specials I wouldn't say that's promoting bad habits, it's just a defensive buff for your SOP.

[torpid crane]

ehh medea's danger comes from its playstyle but wolf howl's strongest use is a repositioning tool/iframe bot so the extra second of invulnerbility is kinda moot since the actual hex itself already serves that purpose

the invulneribility seems best if you go full moon beam and pair it with the hex that lets you deal damage as you go up and/or the hex that lets you use it twice

in that case it's kinda crazy

[magic moss]

by the way we are 3 clears away from hitting 300 50F clears in patch 4, currently at 297 TOTAL clears in patch 4

[split igloo]

You're all a bunch of crazy people.

Without Extreme Measures to carry me 32 Fear was brutal. I got my statues and until another in-game reward appears I don't think I'm ever going above 17 again.

[cursive oyster]

i am a whopping 2 of those clears

[split igloo]

Though I was using Moros "wrong" so maybe I just need to let that carry me.

[magic moss]

i am responsible for a whole 1 clear :)

i am indirectly responsible for a lot more

[glass tapir]

What? no, it's great. Especially when you get dual howl

[past salmon]

I'm responsible for atleast 3 I think

[magic moss]

nah dont be humble 4 at least

[torpid crane]

I said that though?? 😭

[torpid crane]

@magic moss I wanna get the 300th clear but I also wanna play wukong and watch youtube

[magic moss]

go play wukong the 300th clear was achieved by a new runner of all things LMFAO

[torpid crane]

OH whoops

[magic moss]

in the speedcord

[torpid crane]

I forgot that the speedcord was a thing

[magic moss]

im hawkeyeing every single one for any clears

[torpid crane]

someone needs to make the slowcord and invite me

[magic moss]

i put a lot of time and effort into making this thing the ultimate one stop resource for 50F :D

[torpid crane]

das why you're the goat

https://tenor.com/view/thats-why-hes-the-goat-mvp-the-goat-gif-27042870

[stuck ether]

I would not be doing 50f if it wasnt for mininet

[torpid crane]

oh yeah I wouldan't have even started 50F if mininet didn't have the spreadsheet

[torpid crane]

all of my clears basically

[magic moss]

love yall

like if yall want to see what i mean when i say i have to play wheres waldo with some of this hunting https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1276681459746345071/image.png?ex=66ca69c3&is=66c91843&hm=06a43f76bafac10b0fe137c25a788cbee22daaa13f581045a3fc5b8c088d5e83& this is a vod of a clear that wasnt made known to me

[past salmon]

Wow I wonder which serial corner sitter this was

[past salmon]

I would never forget to send you vods/clears
Yep never done that

[magic moss]

[sweet thistle]

im glad to say i am not one of those unfortunetaly 🫡

although on my like 3rd attempt i got to 2nd phase Chronos which was insane

[vale gate]

me too

[tall notch]

Hey, I do ping you on all of my unique clears! I already did Eos in patch3 so I didn't ping this when I posted it in the speedcord

[magic moss]

vods, victory screens, anything feel free to ping me i keep track of everything

makes my life infinitely easier than having to wheres waldo everything dont feel bad

ping me a hundred times for all I care

[stuck ether]

Anything i post will always be in here and boated at least

[magic moss]

please ping me regardless

[tall notch]

I think @magic moss just likes getting random pings and the whole spreadsheet was an excuse to request that from people

[past salmon]

Makes him feel important frfr

It's ok @magic moss you will always be my goat

[magic moss]

I will murder you both

[modest dagger]

I keep reading the name as "minecraft"

[tall notch]

Ily too

[modest dagger]

starts with m, ends with t, can't help it

[magic moss]

[modest dagger]

actually it's more like starts with min and ends with t

can't help it lol

[pseudo sequoia]

eh i got to chronos p2 with charon maybe i could be 298 (definitely not in time)

[past salmon]

Already hit 300 actually

[pseudo sequoia]

damn! 301 then 😔

300 is an absolutely huge achievement though god damn

[past salmon]

Now we need a 3rd 55F clear so we have 1 for every 100 50Fs

[lethal peak]

300 50F runs is crazy

[lone sequoia]

Anyone got tips for Eris?

She’s harder than chronos for me 😭

[limpid coral]

use pillars as cover, don't let the ourple sniper shot break them

[lone sequoia]

Okay

[limpid coral]

if you see/hear eris load and wind up an attack you can try to dash behind her and you are very safe

[lone sequoia]

What about for melee builds

[lone sequoia]

Ya I’ve noticed that’s when to do big dps

[limpid coral]

the only thing that can hit you is the shotguns and then you rotate with them

[lone sequoia]

The shotgun kicks my BUTTT

[limpid coral]

or you play axe and block literally everything

[lone sequoia]

I need to block more

I like blocking I just have hit trading coded into my monkey brain

[limpid coral]

(special right in eris' face to delete the bombs)

[lone sequoia]

WAIT WHAT nahhhh that’s huge

Ty for the advice. She’s a bit harder to read for me for some reason than other bosses bc she’s so small

[limpid coral]

I wish she was actually telegraphed with how visually noisy it gets

[lone sequoia]

Ya I agree. I think the surface has some growing pains on that front where some attacks don’t have a visual queue before an attack. Like the pickaxe guys I can never judge the distance maybe that’s just a practice thing though.

I’m really excited to see where surface goes in the future though. The new ideas are pretty fun and I love the second level with the boat. If it’s half as good as chronos I’ll love it.

[limpid coral]

major update will give surface route some love

[lone sequoia]

Can’t wait ! I need a new favorite god besides aphro lol

[sweet girder]

How do people play fast enough to do 5 min timer. I always get like 4 waves of enemies on several encounters and go way over 5 min.

[limpid coral]

how long do the first 3 rooms take for u

[plucky cave]

does weed killer buff possessed array?

[cursive oyster]

it does

[plucky cave]

pog

[random kettle]

Hey does anyone have tips for fresh file runs? Not even speedruns just getting through them

[magic moss]

play for beach ball since the fresh file runs are always seeded and you get poseidon with apollo

[random kettle]

Thank you 👍

[uneven palm]

Watch some of the vids in the 50F sheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit 50F is its own universe of pain but the first few rooms of each run is all of us figuring out how to make this aspect go as fast as humanly possible

And yeah, Erebus is the hardest part. It’s just very long and sometimes rooms take a few seconds and other times you get the long boi filled with spindles and it takes 2min

[uneven palm]

Also if you’re doing like 24 or 32 and using vow of Commotion I’d see if you can swing something else. Commotion makes everything worse imo, especially on a timer

[modest dagger]

any build idea for getting the largest "damage taken" number?

[limpid coral]

mel axe dem aphro poseidon apollo

[modest dagger]

I'd say the one where you get hermes and chaos legendary somehow

[limpid coral]

oh, so the boons that don't care about build lol

[modest dagger]

the 999 dmg from chronos instakill counts as 999 damage to black fleece

[limpid coral]

it doesnt count as 999 damage to the damage taken counter in case you haven't noticed

that tracks hp/armor lost

[modest dagger]

yeah but how else would I have gotten over thousand dmg taken on black fleece?

[limpid coral]

well i will ask u whether u have seen 1000 on a damage taken to chronos on a victory screen

[modest dagger]

nah i'm counting the number that appears on black fleece

idc bout victory screen

[limpid coral]

oh if you are using fleece then sure

[modest dagger]

cuz that shows all damage taken, not just from chronos

[limpid coral]

(actually I wonder if u take 1998 plus crit to armor if fleece counts all of it)

[modest dagger]

The damage counting on the victory screen and fleece is different for some reason, the win where I took an instakill said my damage taken was over thousand while it said I took less than 300 dmg from chronos

anyways, if you manage to get all the dd (toula, luckier tooth, 3 dd, hermes legendary, chaos legendar), you should be able to tank the instakill 7 times

if you build as high of a health as possible, you can lose as much health as possible then lose the dd to the instakill

so 7 * 999 and then some

[past salmon]

Fleece counts overkill damage iirc

[magic moss]

Hey yall, as we start getting into admittedly the slow time before the next big patch, I would like to ask for some feedback regarding my 50F sheet in preparation for Patch 5. What parts do you like? What do you wish you could change? What do you wish got added? Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks!

[torpid crane]

I don’t know if I missed it somewhere on the sheet, but could you add back the fastest/slowest times per aspect (assuming it’s no longer there)

[magic moss]

patch 4 misc stats, those speed leaderboards are the fastest and slowest clears of each aspect, just condensed it into a leaderboard

[torpid crane]

ahh I did not do a good enough job of perusing it the

[tall notch]

I like the part where you take all the 50f clears and put them into a spreadsheet. That's my favourite

Also when you pulled the boon data and posted that it was super cool

[past salmon]

I regret to inform all the fans that I am away on a trip so there will likely be no Medea 50F of the day for next 3ish days 😔

[fair narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/bugsbunny-tears-crying-gif-14861790753742811037

[vale gate]

you should fill in

[fair narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-age-no-thanks-i-choose-life-gif-7420641545504759461

[lone knot]

what build should I use with the sister blades and torches for 24 fear?

[magic moss]

to win or to mess around?

[lone knot]

to win against Chronos

[magic moss]

for the blades there are 2 routes with mel blades and artemis, them being either scorch atk with dem cast and play for freezer burn or hera atk and play for origination with any curse cast. For pan its just start poseidon special look to get a good gain (optimally born gain), and just spam cast + ospecial. Mel torches idk scorch atk dem cast freezer burn, Moros start Hearth gain and whatever % atk boon you can get with blitz special optimally but any curse special can work as well, Eos hera atk and origination

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit You can also just take a look at the different victory screens and vods to see what builds managed to clear 50F

[lone knot]

what fear setup do you recommend?

[magic moss]

are you comfortable with desperation3

[stuck ether]

I dont remember all for 24f but desperation 3, fury 2, and panic are good ones

[magic moss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1249502882819215453/1258998193631400037/image.png?ex=66cbfff0&is=66caae70&hm=8e361dc59a15ca9514b84925c45280497b0609d8fdb52dbde7cb4e7c004a7e18&

this one is good except i dont have wandering enabled so trade commotion for wandering

if you dont feel comfortable with desperation3 drop it for blood optimally but some levels of commotion and dominance are fine

[lone knot]

it depends on how high is commotion but I definitely wouldn't do desperation 3

[magic moss]

optimally you arent running any commotion at all but thats fine you can drop desperation3

prob dominance 2 commotion 1 is a decent trade off for desperation 3 but blood is often better to increase

[lone knot]

I see thx

[brisk geyser]

havent played in a few months, hows aspect of artemis holding up? trying to pick a weapon to push high fear w. and i remember enjoying it a lot

also is it still an aphro weapon or is hestia real yet

[elfin ivy]

I've seen 50 Fear victories with Artemis so it's def viable

Haven't watched a full run with it myself, but I'm guessing the Parry is the trump card throughout the whole thing

[magic moss]

its a weapon with a very high skill ceiling and potential to be top5 given proper execution and is definitely the "easiest" of the blades to climb to higher fears with but that also depends on your definition of high fear

[brisk geyser]

i suppose i mean anywhere in the 32 to 50 range

[magic moss]

yeah then artemis is the easiest of the blades to push fear

given godlike execution, artemis is a top5 aspect

you want to go for a % atk boon to amp the crit bonuses, but hestia atk is also really strong now given the blades fast atk speed and scorch buffs in patch 4

[brisk geyser]

got it, ty for the info

[sweet girder]

I've just recently been trying 50 fear. I've never gotten past Erebus but this run I got to mourning fields and died to Cerberus. But now I know it's possible to get though Erebus. I had 1 full min in Erebus (aphro atk boon goes crazy on Moros).

Any advice on dealing with harder enemies on 50 fear (mostly bosses).

[cursive oyster]

well you might be running the wrong vows ||/j||

[bright token]

played mel axe dashing heave speedrun 32f and it was going great for a while, got the duo i needed and even rapid slash, but i lost all dds and died in tart. smth about the hitreg time or enemy stagger makes you take a ton of unexpected dmg. and in the end it still didn't feel faster than thanatos regular attacks with the same dmg setup so idk. not sold on any mel axe superiority

[cursive oyster]

real!

mel axe is good but just get the hammers with than and you win (on 32 at least)

[bright token]

that's the thing, you don't need hammers on than axe to do well. i did my 8:50 32f run with only rapid slash

i looked at cerb timer with than axe rapid slash and mel axe heave plus rapid and very similar dmg boons, and both did 27 secs

mel axe heave raw dps is a little higher but safety price at least for me doesn't seem to be worth it even in speedrun

[cursive oyster]

rapid slash is a hammer

a very good one

[bright token]

yeah but i had it in both runs. and for than axe it's just a good hammer, for mel axe heave is build defining

[magic moss]

never feel ashamed to dedicate runs to just learning every boss timing down on fury2, save state before each boss if you need to. Just keep playing every single boss over and over until you're familiar with every attack pattern, timing, etc and then go for actual attempts.

[sweet girder]

Thanks I'll try practicing each boss to get faster and safer.

[spare kite]

@thick saffron #h2-feedback message if you don't mind throwing the reward, letting the progress bar hit 0% kicks you out of asphodel instantly

[thick saffron]

Oh I didn't know that, thanks

[uneven palm]

lololol Master Conductor and Kings Ransom go hard https://imgur.com/a/cMd1Fqx

[surreal hazel]

Electric overload scales weirdly well, yeah

Artemis doing all the work too

[uneven palm]

Yeah I didn’t strictly need the Antler but I still had my Arachne armor after Cerb I was feeling alright about it

[surreal hazel]

Seemed justified

[loud moat]

Quick question, does anyone know if Hailstorm (Deme/Zeus duo boon) is affected by Cast damage increases? Specifically if the frozen condition is applied via Demeter Arctic Ring?

[uneven palm]

It’s not cast damage

[loud moat]

Sadness. I figured, but was unsure if sphaghetti code would allow that interaction.
Extending question, the only way to increase hailstorms damage, then would be that increase damage universally?
Ex: Golden Rule or Double Strike for more bolts

Semi-related question, how does Air Quality interact with multipliers?

Does it set the base damage first and then multiply the damage?

Ex: Storm Ring, with enough cast damage multiplier (chaos or otherwise) could be pushed over 30 base power.

Where in the equation does Air Quality factor in? Before or after?

I assume when pommed above 30, Air Quality then becomes useless cause poms increase base power. I might already be answering my own question I suppose but looking for thoughts.

[spare kite]

air quality is basically a check at the end to see if the dmg is less than 30 then if yes, make it do 30 so yeah, you are correct

same goes for Dem's infusion

[loud moat]

So it’s a check at the end? Not the beginning? Shame. It’s good with a ton of Zeus stuff I suppose, and other gods to set your new damage minimum.

Was hoping I’d be able to eke out a bit more usefulness out of it though

[spare kite]

is cool for Dem's cyclone cuz those have the base dmg of wet paper

[loud moat]

Hundred percent.

I’m thinking in a rare scenario where you artificially (non Pom) increase the damage of a specific instance above 30. Does Air Quality check before or after the multiplier

[spare kite]

after

[loud moat]

A lot of the cast stuff really benefits from AQ. Prominence Flare as well

[spare kite]

only thing I'm not sure would be crits

as in idk if crits happen last or AQ

[loud moat]

On a different note, anyone have good ideas for Boon/Hex combos?

Prominent ones being Wolf Howl (inflict dash boon) and Nightmare (inflict attack boon)

I’ve had major fun with Smithy Sprint/Wolf Howl. Trying to find the attack boon that best benefits Nightmare though

Also can confirm, Glorious Disaster Duo does not proc with Nightmares “inflict omega cast when you cast”. The boon specifies having to use extra mana to use it. I thought I could sneak around that requirement but I could not 😭

If anyone cared. Glorious Disaster is so tragic. I want it to be good

[spare kite]

best use for nightmare iirc is the insta explosion boon from pos

[loud moat]

POS? Whats that?

[spare kite]

poseidon

[loud moat]

Ooooooo

[spare kite]

wait I'm dumb, I mean for the darkside hex

idk what works with the attack uses your atk boon

[loud moat]

I tried it with Flame Strike and it was “ok”

Just more scorch but nothing fancy

I wish there was a way to check on bonuses to hexes outside of runs. Makes it hard to plan/learn about the strengths and weaknesses of them.

[spare kite]

they are in the codex but is a bit of a mess iirc?
and well, they are also randomized so not every bonus may be on that run skill tree

[loud moat]

I sorta understand not letting us see the “Path” when choosing, but it ducks when you want to do something cool with Wolf Howl and then you don’t get the dash boon bonus and my idea is ruined

[spare kite]

I hate the randomization of the path so much

[loud moat]

The Hexes themselves are in the codex, but bonuses and all the different paths are not

[loud moat]

SAME. Even just being able to see it during the hex choosing would be so fun. Hexes are do or die regardless. Gimme a chance to plan and suddenly it becomes less risky.

Knowing what my choices are in the path could mean the difference between grabbing the selune keepsake, even on New Moon hexes.

You can check once you get it, but it doesn’t incentivize me in anyway to choose said hex over a Boon, Hammer, Or even Pom. It’s a shame cause it’s a really fun mechanic. It just needs more love.

[hazy oar]

Hey I want some opinions. I ... kinda feel like either A, Demeter's Plentiful Forage should be used for ALL gathering spots (like ghosts, mining, fishing, etc) or there should be more boons that power up the significant gathering location.

So like for example, Hephestus gives armor for more times you mine.

or Zeus and Aphrodite give you max Magick for getting ghosts

... and fish count as poms

mostly cause it feels like only demeter gets the best benefit out of the gathering spots... or the only reliable way to raise health

so what do you guys think?

[magic moss]

i think its kinda eh? You already get an infusion +1 from the gathering spots so im not sure how much a boon would impact them, especially since they are a lot more rare compared to flowers

[hazy oar]

yeah. But only one.

[magic moss]

i mean the rarity of the gathering spot means its really difficult to get real value out of a boon dedicated to it

[hazy oar]

...dang. you're right.

it just feels like you get more benefit with sticking with shovel though, which kinda sucks.

[hazy oar]

...also is it weird that like I would like ways to make the game harder without chosing options that will bother you? Like several more vows? Or ways to just increase your health? The game just... stops kinda being fun when enemies are like 60% faster. Plus removing healing just kinda sucks.

[sweet girder]

Yeah, once your at 50 fear you have to get good luck and play cracked and just not get hit.

[cursive oyster]

speaking as a 50f player with a skill issue there’s quite a bit of room for error

the main thing is learning how to get through erebus with the timer and all

(something i still can barely do)

[sweet girder]

Yeah, but I have to say getting nem, and a chaos gate is so good in erebus

[cursive oyster]

artemis is my best friend

[sweet girder]

True, great boons with timer pause is a run saver

[cursive oyster]

lethal snare my beloved

[sweet girder]

Yes, with furies make your cast give you so much extra damage. especially with cast boons.

[hazy oar]

It just doesn't ... really feel fun if that makes sense.

Or as fun. And I'm at like... around 15 to 20 fear

[sweet girder]

I felt the exact same way but then I won 32 fear and It was so mentally rewarding.

[cursive oyster]

yeah at that level you’re playing more for bragging rights

i like doing off-meta builds at like 16-24 fear

gives me room to experiment without every run feeling free

[sweet girder]

I want a 50 fear run to get on the sheet before the first major update. Be a og

[hazy oar]

but I kinda... don't really care about braging rights? I want to do random builds and try something different each time.

[sweet girder]

I feel like I'm close too because I've got to mourning Fields twice in two a Short period of time. I just need that perfect run.

[hazy oar]

That's kinda why I want like... 20 new vows

or you can use them multiple times or go overboard like

actually I don't know. I guess 100% more enemies?

[cursive oyster]

h1 had extreme measures and stuff like that

i’m excited to see how awful chronos will become

[hazy oar]

... how would that even work lore wise? Like scylla doesn't really doesn't seem to be working with chronos

[cursive oyster]

well the vow kinda amplifies the danger of the run magically instead of the pact just allowing hades to let his guys go wild

[hazy oar]

Chronos buys her more speakers

[spare kite]

if it replaces the tempus summons I'll love it instantly

[cursive oyster]

i am currently working on modding my own version of em4 into the game and there are gonna be so many tempuses

[spare kite]

spawn like 2 tempus but they have the armor and hp of the super elite B.ball of h1

and like, x10 the attack speed ofc

[spare kite]

wait nvm the shredder hammers exist

[hazy oar]

... actually I would like the shield stuff again

you know, them getting random buffs while shields are active?

[cursive oyster]

it might get readded

[zinc forge]

What aspect of the torch are people gravitating towards? I've been mostly using the Default version, just because I feel it has the best boon flexibility. Eos feels really powerful, but the flames hanging around feels a bit annoying if they build up. Idk maybe I need to use their special bit more, but I always miss the longer duration from the Mel Aspect

Also I'm having so much fun with the Torch since it was updated, especially running Hestia (Hearth Gain is sooo good). SG did such a great job tweaking it 😊

[magic moss]

gl gl

[spare kite]

Tbh I would rather not have it

[tall notch]

Eos is super fun in my completely unbiased opinion

But Moros is by far the most powerful

[limpid coral]

I'm interpreting this as wanting the purple number to be higher without the game being harder which seems kinda weird?

[past salmon]

50F is quite lenient actually
Good strats can do most of the work tbh

In terms of finding higher fears unfun.. I mean you just don't enjoy it as much that's fine.

Not everyone enjoys playing on higher difficulties.

[magic moss]

I’ve largely taken a step back from playing hades 2 as a challenge and instead focusing more on playing for just wacky stuff

I’m unsure of if I will ever return back to 50F grinding but we shall see

I’m content right now just being the record keeper if it means other people find success and have fun playing higher fears and have a goal to strive towards

Once patch 5 drops and a lot more people get interested and more people clear 50F, I might start doing some community challenges for 50F if theres enough interest and people

[sand crow]

I cannot WAIT for patch 5 lmao

[fair narwhal]

Tldr minis washed

[worthy epoch]

😭

[past salmon]

TRUE

[surreal hazel]

Whack stuff is the best

Odd discovery of the day. Rapture ring seems to scale linearly with poms at +10 per rank. With a cast damage bonus here and there it actually becomes quite a powerup AoE weapon

Probably not as powerful as anvil ring for raw damage, but weakness and stun is pretty good

[surreal hazel]

Ugh, what is with Anvil Ring being so... static?

It's got great base stats and benefits hilariously from Chasm boons, but rarity barely scales it, poms do barely anything. And tidal ring is right there doing a much better job of basically everything

[west yacht]

Charon Axe with the anvil ring and prominent flare melt guardians

[surreal hazel]

I'm sure, but Tidal ring will probably do it better since it frontloads the damage

so nothing gets lost when you detonate the cast early

best time I had anvil ring was oddly Momus, where the two extra omega cast pulses also give an anvil ring ding

but what's with this scaling? Base 50 damage, Rare 70, Epic 80, Heroic 90 (Odd gap between base and rare for some reason)

poms add 20, then 15, then 10, then 5 thereafter

Tidal ring is like 80, 120, 160, 200

each pom adds 40, then each pom is scaled by 0.8x exponentially after that

it's just... way more damage, frontloaded

Huh. No wonder Hermes' keepsake seems way stronger than it seems. It looks like it's a 1.25x multiplier on move, sprint and function speeds

so multiplies with other bonuses, rather than adding?

(And yes, I said 25%. The game takes your speed value and divides it by 0.8)

[past salmon]

Prominence is a dps down on Charon most of the time

[earnest basin]

Why?

[fair narwhal]

You’re a dps down on all weapons

[fair narwhal]

Doesn’t allow you to slam as often

[earnest basin]

Because prom flare has to expire before you can blow up the cast again?

[fair narwhal]

Yeah!

[earnest basin]

Check, didn't know that

[fair narwhal]

I blame foolish

[past salmon]

Bro 😭

[surreal hazel]

Take Gyser Spout, block prominence flare from rolling

[worthy epoch]

10/10 hating love to see it

[fair narwhal]

[split igloo]

Is Geyser Spout Poseidon's Omega Cast? Doesn't that reduce damage compared to a Night-enhanced Charon Cast?

[surreal hazel]

It's an omega cast replacement

it basically deletes the cast and replaces it with its own

[split igloo]

But blocks PF from spawning, got it.

[surreal hazel]

yes, probably because Prominence flare wouldn't trigger if you did have both boons

it's also not instant detonation, but like, 0.2 secs or something after cast

plus channelling time if you aren't using a cast launcher boon

[split igloo]

Thanks.

[surreal hazel]

so even if you use lightning lance, you'll get one tick of your cast boon with gyser spout

best used with Tidal ring, but Anvil and smolder ring are okay too

Also the cast circle is still "there" while the gyser explodes, so things like Engagement ring will still make stuff explode if gyser spout kills something in it

[split igloo]

Two runs in a row now Echo's Boon has given me a fifth Olympian and then Tartarus picked that fifth Olympian for the miniboss.

[rain panther]

yo guys, do u know if the backstab effect still in Hades II?

[cursive oyster]

only with a twin blades hammer, a twin blades aspect, and an apollo boon that adds backstab damage to dazed enemies

[misty estuary]

what boons do you recommend for axe? i feel like apollo stuff is good but idk

[magic moss]

hera, apollo, and aphro atk for mel and than and lucid gain + any % dmg special for charon but zeus can also work

[misty estuary]

Hera?

Also i don' t have aspects

[surreal hazel]

Not met Hera yet? heh

[misty estuary]

I havent even beaten the game

[tired fulcrum]

You dont need to to meet her

[gleaming lily]

what to do to make the torches/revaal viable? i feel like im just not being creative enough with them

[magic moss]

do you want to learn how to clear with them and what the best builds for them are or are you just looking for fun builds

[gleaming lily]

ideally i just want to be able to clear with them!

[magic moss]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit this is a great resource as its a collection of every clear and if possible a recording of their run with the aspect. Do note that this is for 50 fear and the arcana loadout is set for 50 so feel free to copy the arcana but be aware that many tools that make simply clearing isn’t utilized due to certain vows (eg Wayward son is off since scars3 disables all healing). In addition, certain boons, namely Heph’s Trusty Shield, are invaluable on 50 fear but don’t have as much impact in low fear. Feel free to experiment with builds, and just treat this as a resource to know what boons on certain aspects have cleared on 50 fear and how people pilot the aspect.

[gleaming lily]

thank you!!

[misty estuary]

for the default torches, demeter atk is amazing for rooms

[misty estuary]

I die in the surface really quick, i guess i need an incantation?

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah

[cursive oyster]

once you get the incantation she’ll show up

[tired fulcrum]

Grab some moss and bronze from the surface and some other stuff

[misty estuary]

i got bronze

[tired fulcrum]

If you want freeze youre better off with dem cast dem attack is kinda weak damage wise

[misty estuary]

is the cast the q or the right click, i always get confused

[tired fulcrum]

The circle thingy that slows stuff

[surreal hazel]

Q.

[misty estuary]

is aphro atk good on the torches?

[surreal hazel]

Nothing special

You want wave or flame ideally

But hera's attack boons work well too

Basically the attack is low damage but rapid and penetrates enemies, so you want stuff that works nice per hit

Also worthy of mention is zeus's spirit surge

That gives you a lightning strike for every omega attack for free

On torch special, honestly anything can work, it's great for spreading curses

[sweet girder]

should you take engraven pin on 3 dd going into mourning feilds on 50 fear?

or should you take a boon, I don't have a attack boon yet should I prioritize that?

[magic moss]

depends on what you need and how important that attack boon is

if your playing moros, then you don’t necessarily need an attack boon but its a massive benefit

for than axe or staff, an attack boon is all but mandatory

however, if you’re running low on time, droplet is a great take for fields for the ms and dps increase with the atk speed and channel time buffs

hell even selene keepsake can work if you have phase shift or total eclipse and the path is good

[sweet girder]

playing moros

i got 2 min as well if that changes anything

[magic moss]

i would personally go droplet

since you can slot in just about any attack boon for moros

[sweet girder]

lol I have droplet on one star

i'm just play it safe with pin, because a lot of my other keepsakes are lower stared

[magic moss]

ok

[tame steppe]

I'm really struggling with the RNG on 50 for moros, I keep dying to time out on hecate, anyone got any tips?

[worthy epoch]

If you aren’t already doing this, starting Hestia for hearth gain is very very good. I liked rerolling for hera on midboss in my runs for sworn flourish, then anything that procs orig for cast or attack. Early on you kind of will just need some good luck but you can do this!

Also use minis sheet for other successful runs and see what works

[past salmon]

ok like I humour origination users for most things but god it is so uneccesary on Moros bros 😭
50% additive isn't going to make the dead guys any deader

[worthy epoch]

This is true boatman is probably better on moros or other high base damage aspects

[tame steppe]

Yeah, im running boatman and was using origination, ill knock it off and see what happens with mana gain to smooth out the start of the run until I pick up hearth gain

and you arnt wrong, by the time origination kicks in, you already have enough damage

[fair narwhal]

Use the arcana from the spreadsheet it helps the early game a lot

[fair narwhal]

Orig bad on everything but Moros it’s actually a crime 😭😭😭

[sweet girder]

I would also recommend that if you get a chaos gate on the first or second room, if you quit and restart boons and locations can be diffrent but you with get the gate guaranteed

[sweet girder]

just to play the odds, because I also don't like the rng aspect

[slate trench]

anyone know how geyser spout, Night arcana card and charon detonation buff all interact with each other? If I get geyser spout, omega cast and omega cleave have the same detonation damage, does it override the charon cleave buff?

[cursive oyster]

geyser spout is unaffected by both the cleave bonus and the night arcana card

[uneven palm]

Hmm I think Night does work on Spout now?

Have to check again…

[cursive oyster]

oh if it does thats omega busted

[uneven palm]

Just confirmed Night does work with Spout. Seeing what it does with Charon right now

Looks like it does not get more range or damage from Charon.

[cursive oyster]

now i wanna do another mel staff geyser spout + tidal ring run

[slate trench]

OK got it thanks

[sudden moon]

Yo what's up with the origination hate😭

[cursive oyster]

at high fear you just need the extra money and rolls from boatman instead

[sudden moon]

What special is the best for a Charon build

[magic moss]

apollo hera are best, dem aphro are fine, zeus can work, heph poseidon and hestia just dont even bother

[proven citrus]

geyser spout seems finnicky to me

i was running it with solar ring and i didn't get the solar ring damage when i used it

which makes some kind of sense because solar ring activates when your cast expires and geyser spout detonates your cast

but i still thought it was weird

the chaos boon for additional cast damage is also confusing to me

because it only refers to it as a Cast in the text, but it doesn't appear to boost non-omega-cast damage that you can accquire through boons

which also makes some kind of sense because by default casts deal no damage

but it should really say " Cast" if it doesn't work with stuff like Solar Ring

[split igloo]

Me but with Momus.

[cursive oyster]

both are good

[split igloo]

Oh, actually, Mel would be sick.

Hm, you could even slot in Aphrodite depending on your opening Hammer. Hmmm.

[spare kite]

Moros is such a dumb weapon

[sudden moon]

Random Moros hate😭

[spare kite]

This isn't hate

Guess who got out of erebus first try at 50f

After like 5 attempts at charon

[sudden moon]

ohhhhhhhhhhhh

[spare kite]

His keepsake is also dumb

Now if only you were an interesting character

[sudden moon]

L moros hate

[spare kite]

he has like 2 interesting dialogues I'm sorry

[sudden moon]

You should be sorry

[spare kite]

#h2-victory-boasting message see

[past salmon]

Truthing

Funnily it falls off a little 51F+

Has a very awkward Erebus and can't really click trusty shield ever due to magick constraints

[wise idol]

Just don’t get hit

[halcyon forge]

any good guides to knowing what weapons/aspects + boon combos are good and how to get specific duos?

[cursive oyster]

there is an incantation for duo requirements you can unlock by gifting each olympian plus chaos at least once, there is also a spreadsheet for every recorded 50 fear clear that includes the boons used, although those aren’t the only viable builds at lower fear

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4

huh no embed

there we go

if you want recommendations for specific aspects you can also ask here

[halcyon forge]

tyty thats so helpful

[sweet girder]

I've looked at the thantanos 50 fear clears and I haven't seen any omega attack builds. Are they just bad? I feel like weedkiller ,psychic whirlwind is really powerful. and you can still use hitch normal attack with it.

[torpid crane]

the thing with those is it requires set up to get going (look at pan) whereas you just slap on an attack boon and get to work with a normal attack build

like you said you’d want weed killer and specific hammers + magick regen + you need to be mindful of vow of arrogance

[magic moss]

omega attack builds are hammer reliant and require more investment to get going than just simply spamming hitch atk and amping it with just attack hammers like rapid or hellsplitter

[tall notch]

https://i.imgur.com/eONQTX5.png does this count as an omega attack build?

[torpid crane]

curse you mininet and your succinct explanations

[uneven palm]

There’s one 50F Thanatos that was spin-based iirc. They had some wild arcana like Unseen + Strength and 3 rolls and lucked into Spiteful Strength

Could have been patch 3

[torpid crane]

the search for spiteful strength has destroyed the wills of many men (mine)

[loud moat]

Whats the opinion on spiteful strength generally? It feels hard to plan for, especially if you dont grab a good cast to carry the early rooms for your DPS.

[past salmon]

I think there was a couple of 50F Than runs utilizing Omegas

Its pretty good just as Mini said overly hammer reliant

[uneven palm]

It’s a wild vid like they were dying for an attack boon and that showed up in fields. It had the prophecy thing they hadn’t ever seen it before 😭

[torpid crane]

who was the mad lad who ran persephone attack build with spiteful

was that you @uneven palm

[loud moat]

By the time you actually want Spiteful Strength, your DPS would be mostly through your Cast I guess. Or if you pick one

[past salmon]

Posh did that and just didn't use the aspect it was cooked 😭

[uneven palm]

Yeah that was Posh

[loud moat]

special or attack to keep the boon off of

[uneven palm]

I like Spiteful but only if I’m planning for it. Like it’s fun for like Momus with a Night + Death setup where you’re cycling between all the omegas. If I’m not planning on it it’s like “well thanks I already got a boon there”

[loud moat]

I swear it shouldnt even be offered if you ahve a boon in both your special and attack slot. At that point its just rude

[uneven palm]

Also it’s a fun puzzle to see if you can get by without boons on your primary moves. Sometimes you can!

[loud moat]

Like its actually useless without purging fountains or if you luck into Zeus/Hera duo to get rid of your boons

[uneven palm]

Hestia can cook a boon too if you’re lucky

[loud moat]

Oh yea that too

Speaking of Burnt offering, its required for the Hestia/Apollo duo

[torpid crane]

your best boon for 50HP and mana? yes or no?

[loud moat]

Which is kinda nuts. You need minimum 3 boons (technically 4 cause you have to offer 1) in order to just be eligible for free HP regen (and a loss of 100 health)

And you gotta time it so that you dont burnt offering one of the boons needed for the duo

[past salmon]

I once tried to cook spiteful strength for 50F Medea speeds but the kitchen kinda burnt down
Even when I got spiteful like Erebus Midboss just Hera attack was kinda better 😭

[loud moat]

I think spitefull strenght through scale off of Primed Magick or something. Fits better with the theme and provides a unique "positive" to how primed magic is used in the system currently.

Personally loving Vow or Arrogance as it really makes you consider the rarity of boons, especially if going for a mana heavy build. Spiteful Strength could be a unique way to "reward" dumping magic. Could also fit on theme. Hera has more magic based boons compared to Heph.

Might be too similar to the Hera/Posiedon duo though.

[torpid crane]

consideration? nah I still click the shiny colors even with that

artificer will give me magick anyways

(give me a boon or hammer artificer you scumbag)

[loud moat]

Haha me too. Until I cant set up anything with Momus staff for 5 rooms in a row cause I got greedy

[torpid crane]

I'm not a fan of magick builds on the staff unless I have mirrored thrasher specifically, which is horrible on momus specifically lol

[loud moat]

Does mirrored double the momus procs?

It doubles the initial omega attack I know

[torpid crane]

it doesn't double the initial omega

[fair narwhal]

I’ve done a bunch using omegas they’re on the sheet

[loud moat]

I think it does. It doubles every attack

Its like Apollo legendary

[torpid crane]

I'm pretty sure it doesn't double momus' omega attack specifically for whatever reason

[uneven palm]

Yeah mirrored and dual moonshot work as expected with Momus

You get double omegas

[loud moat]

Ill check again. To my knowledge, Mirrored doubles omega attack as well. But for momus, it does NOT double the Momus procs (turret)

So initial omega is doubled, the turret is not doubled

Its Apollo Legendary LITE which is just bonkers

[torpid crane]

I know dual moonshot worked but I coulda sworn mirrored didn't work for whatever reason... that's the entire reason I don't touch momus bc I loved mirrored thrasher double omega attack '

[loud moat]

Saw your Nightmare run. Super fun with unlimited Omega Casts. Just wild.

[past salmon]

yeah but ur fake and a huge fraud so 😔

[fair narwhal]

Thanks for watching 🤠 yeah dark side sanctity is very cool

[fair narwhal]

You given us 1 Medea of the day in the past 2 weeks and I’m the fraud

[past salmon]

😭
Sorry I've been touching grass

[fair narwhal]

Apology not accepted

[loud moat]

When is that Wolf Howl, Smithy Sprint, Sunny Disposition/Love Handles build coming out?

[torpid crane]

when is what

[past salmon]

Boated when you dropping the Medea 55F

[fair narwhal]

Tomorrow actually

[fair narwhal]

Never 🤓

[loud moat]

Yay Wolf Howl

Hexes will get their time to shine. They deserve so much more 😭

[torpid crane]

youtube has shadow banned me from boated's notifications for some reason

[fair narwhal]

Yeah they do

[loud moat]

The mobility alone on Wolf Howl is amazing. On 40 magic no less.

[fair narwhal]

You’re not getting notifications of uploads or am I not seeing your comments? Because YouTube has done people dirty both ways sadly

[torpid crane]

both. you've responded to one of my comments before saying you don't get notified that I leave comments for some reason

[fair narwhal]

Yeah I have no idea why YouTube does that sorry

[magic moss]

dex had an omega attack run

[uneven palm]

https://imgur.com/a/1suO1lu here's Momus + Mirrored. It's actually weird it spaces out the 6 omegs evenly over the lifetime of the turret instead of double, wait, double, wait, double

[loud moat]

Normally it would only proc 3 times over the 1.5 seconds?

[fair narwhal]

Mini I’ve personally sent you like 10 omega thans 👹

[loud moat]

So doubled is doing 2 times as many but still within the 1.5 second window?

[uneven palm]

yeah it's doing one like every 0.75s

[loud moat]

Well damn

[uneven palm]

so it's six attacks (expected) but distributed weird (unexpected)

[magic moss]

dex had a vod that for some reason i remember

[loud moat]

Mirrored is still busted

[magic moss]

like idk why prob cuz the victory screen had his face on it

[loud moat]

Always and forever. I love it

[fair narwhal]

I got a vod too it was the entire guan yu set up on 50 ☠️

[magic moss]

ik i saw that

[fair narwhal]

😤

[magic moss]

idk why but dex’s run just popped up first

actually ik why it was mynt who told me about it iirc

[fair narwhal]

Dexs run was pretty sick to be fair he was ripping omegas from room 1

I pivot when psychic shows up

[torpid crane]

huh inchresting

[sudden moon]

How do yall deal with vow of rebuke when using aspect of charon(especially early game)

[magic moss]

are you playing 50 fear?

[sudden moon]

Planning to

[magic moss]

ok so training

there really isnt any good way to do so until you have your 2nd boon since lucid is first

for the early game try to optimize omega specials so it always hits an enemy not in the range of the ocast

it gets infinitely easier once you get some kind of damage cast like arctic ring

[limpid coral]

room 1 try to use the tree, or two trees
room 2 and 3 you are just sad
spinny is worth there since after one cast you don't have enough for another but do have enough for a spin

[sudden moon]

Ight thx for the advice

[limpid coral]

once you get lucid gain look for any hestia demeter even aphro cast

[past salmon]

You just gotta play aggressive

This is kinda the answer for a lot of stuff at 50F tbh

For important enemies position so that your initial block strips rebuke aswell

[limpid coral]

o yea if you can walk up to an enemy and special in their face its 10x2 and way faster than attacking twice

[arctic marten]

Is it possible to avoid ||hecate’s attack that turns you into a sheep||

Not sure if I needed the spoiler tag or not just wanted to be safe

[sudden moon]

Yes

Dash through it like 7 times

Or get Frinos to block it

[arctic marten]

Ah ok thx!

[sweet girder]

Frinos is the GOAT when it comes to blocking that hex, although I still get hit by it 😔

[tall notch]

You don't need them here!

[torpid crane]

I appreciate them anyways

[torpid crane]

@past salmon foolerino how does overkill damage even work? does it only appear on the damage report if it's overkilling into armor?

[past salmon]

I don't know I just click buttons man

I just think overkill damage doesn't show up

[lyric summit]

Question, does going into Hades’ chamber in Tartarus give you more enemies to fight?

Just tried a 50F and I swear I was getting absolutely overwhelmed 😅

[torpid crane]

yes. going into side rooms (hades being one of them) makes your rooms worse so it's generally not advisable to take him unless in very particular circumstances like if he were offered in the last room

[elfin ivy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1038835158729621626/1279024864807620660/image.png?ex=66d2f03a&is=66d19eba&hm=d60d1800ab12fe20dd824c24cf29561ba0eed3ab5c371d13137b15c2a175c77d& Does the moon's phase impact anything gameplay-wise?

[slate trench]

Lucid gain no longer working with geyser spout? I could've sworn it used to but I'm only getting back magic when a regular cast expires

[wise idol]

Not yet I believe, seems like a mechanic they will expand on in future

[elfin ivy]

Knowing the game's design, they probably won't make it anything that'd directly impact gameplay. Probably gonna be smth like how mushrooms spawn whenever it's raining

[lyric summit]

That’s really good to know thanks!

Like more enemies per phase or more phases in general?

[spare kite]

More enemies per wave afaik

Just hard to tell when a wave ends when there's like a hundred per wave

[surreal hazel]

Can confirm this is the current behavior

[surreal hazel]

I dunno. Has anyone tried correlating what hexes or star paths you get with each phase?

[elfin ivy]

My best guess is more selections while getting a Path of Stars

Tho again, I don't think they'd design it to directly impact gameplay. That'd kinda defeat the RNG focus

[surreal hazel]

The path is still randomised within each pattern

I might be able to dig out the game logic later

[wise idol]

My guess is that in the future selene and medea and those kinda characters will be able to visit the crossroads more than once and itll be based on moon phases

selene's visits already are based on moon phase but they can only visit once or twice

hopefully they can visit randomly forever at some point

[sudden moon]

How recent was that change?
Just a couple days ago I rmr it working for me

[surreal hazel]

Nah, definitely been that way longer

[granite grove]

I was playing some 32 heat and i figured i could ask cuz it popped up while going through Erebus, can Death Warrant mark a Hecate clone? Also, If Hecate gets marked before splitting, would the mark follow the real deal? I didn't get to see it in the fight sadly but now im mad curious

[cursive oyster]

the clones count as real enemies for status effects, and hecate clears her status effects when splitting

[granite grove]

i see nice

[surreal hazel]

ooooh daaym

you can sacrifice Elementary particles with burnt offering.... and then get it again

to get all 8 infusions

[sweet girder]

That seems insane 🤣

[stable oak]

Does jury summons technically give more coins?

Wait, wrong chat

[wise idol]

to answer youre question anyway, technically yes

[torpid crane]

@magic moss anyways

[plucky cave]

wait nvm my brain died

[plucky cave]

As penance for posting misinformation for 2 minutes I went to test it out, and got a curse that was deleted prior

so Forsaking with Chaos probably deletes the 2 exact combinations but you can get the halves offered again

[torpid crane]

it just affects how many upgrades you get from your first path of the stars

waxing means you get 3 for your first one

it's in descending order so 3, 4, 5

[elfin ivy]

Huhh right.... okay nvm that's pretty cool thanks

So I'll get the most upgrades if I do smth like start with Selene's keepsake at a full moon right?

[torpid crane]

waxing = 3 / half = 4 / full = 5

[torpid crane]

if you pick one of her hexes at full moon then yes. with moonbeam that's 10 upgrades

since she offers one of each

[elfin ivy]

That's so sweet actually... and the extra stars will still apply even if you take off the Keepsake
Ig we're doing more of that Wolf Howl build 🔥

[torpid crane]

I believe it's only for your initial starpower that you get the 3/4/5. each one after that you only get 3 upgrades. I'm assuming for balance reasons

like if you had double up, your first one gives you 5 (on full moon) then your second one gives 3

[elfin ivy]

Yeah it says so in its desc too. It's only the next Path... but 10 Paths is still crazy

[torpid crane]

keep in mind this is for regular starpower and not the mini(s) that are offered in the fields. those are 1 unless you have moonbeam then it's 6 since you get 5 from that

[torpid crane]

are we talking about moonbeam? it gives you bonus upgrades for your next one, but what I'm also saying is that every starpower after your first one will always give 3 even if you have half moon or full moon (which give you 4/5 respectively on your first starpower)

[loud moat]

Double up is so fun when it pops for Star Power

[elfin ivy]

Ohh yeah Ik about all that

[torpid crane]

that's the best feeling

[loud moat]

Also love that the bonus is called “star power”. You can see it if you get it copied from Echo

Otherwise it’s always titled “path of stars” iirc

[torpid crane]

oh yeah.. I'm gonna save you a run in case the idea ever pops in your head..but you know the wolf howl upgrade that makes you next attack/special have a 100% to critical? well I thought that'd be broken with persephone.. but it's just for your first hit of the omega lol

[loud moat]

I wish we could see the path before choosing a Hex though, it’s always a gamble taking a hex over almost any other resource.

Wish I could plan better

[elfin ivy]

Yeah I might've tried that already 😭 Persephone was actually the first time I got the guaranteed crit on Wolf Howl

[torpid crane]

that upgrade seems useless I'm ngl

I'm pretty sure it's only useful on pan or charon

[elfin ivy]

I tried it on the Blades once. It actually made the Omega attack useful (granted you don't let the regular attack before it actually hit anyone)

[spare kite]

The crit gets burned even if you miss iirc

[uneven palm]

That wolf howl crit upgrade is nice with Hell Splitter

And that’d be about it

[spare kite]

So you can only use with non axe omega specials/skull Omega attack

[torpid crane]

oh right that guy is a thing.. getting the hex online may an issue though

[spare kite]

Just luck into the hitx2 + 20mana hammer

[uneven palm]

It’s mostly just copium for not getting lethal snare

[torpid crane]

I need to luck into a run without extending wallop for once

[torpid crane]

lethal snare with the skulls.. good god that is peak

[spare kite]

Lethal snare goes hard

[elfin ivy]

Nope I'm sure it doesn't. The desc says "next time it deals damage"

So it won't count if it's a miss

[uneven palm]

You can get those star upgrades that auto tick your hex, but it’s slooow.

[torpid crane]

@uneven palm bacon can you explain how the dark side special works. I'm watching zerg's clear and I have no idea what's going on

[spare kite]

remind me, does the channel speed from chaos help axe's special or no

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1279291919888945177/Ship_2024.08.31_-_00.01.17.03.DVR.mp4?ex=66d3e8f1&is=66d29771&hm=89e8c273ee333045427ff6a5036390b0f7aa2496afee85a06e7fa84537b02525& I love S.disposition

https://youtu.be/SpYMfhnK4KE?si=L7b8V82ORCzxuv2P goofy boon (ignore the windows menu at the very end lmao)

[elfin ivy]

I'm gonna grind out Demeter's Boons till I finally get her Legendary and get the prophecy outta the way wish me luck

[hexed field]

Axe run with heroic nova flourish room one

this is a free win

[elfin ivy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1038835158729621626/1279401867704668180/Hades_II_Screenshot_2024.08.31_-_14.25.21.16.png?ex=66d44f57&is=66d2fdd7&hm=612cb30567130299c5dc75ae08233a2fc9fa0970ee9cb45b46a3b64baa82374b& GGs 🔥

[cursive oyster]

frigid sprint is looking pretty tempting ngl

[uneven palm]

Uhh trying to figure that out myself. I’ve mostly ignored Dark Side outside of that upgrade that lets you spam omega casts and geyser spout

Like that big tracking flaming special ring looks ok for early rooms but the super clever gameplay is they’re taking advantage of the time freeze while activating the hex to keep smacking things with O specials

[elfin ivy]

Had to ignore it for the Prophecy sadly

[azure notch]

what's a good build for Judgement? What weapon aspect works best with it and which Arcana should I take?

[knotty fulcrum]

I would take dds and the rerolls. just choose any aspect you like probably the ones that need unseen are kinda bad with judgement but other than that idk

if you are confident you can change dds with something else like boatman or idk

[cursive oyster]

id go rolls plus boatman, you dont really need dds in erebus until high fear

[knotty fulcrum]

I mean if you are new to the game any fear is high fear

[cursive oyster]

its more that erebus scales in difficulty exponentially when you add stuff like hippos and 5 minute timer and more enemies

i’d take dds with judgement starting at 32 fear theoretically but i don’t play judgement sooo

[spare kite]

Replace vow of wandering for vow of hippos

[cursive oyster]

real!

vow of OH GOD WHY ARE THERE SO MANY NUMBSKULLS AND TEMPUSES IN FIELDS

[spare kite]

Each enemy has a 25% to turn into hippos

Include chronos's tempus ofc

[uneven palm]

Tbh that’d be preferable to Tempus the Hippos spend the whole fight running away

[torpid crane]

dude I had the gut throwers spawn on in one of those small oceanus platforms and I lost 2 dd's right then and there

I did not know they could spawn in oceanus... they were armored too so they were CHUCKING

there were also mourners in that room too.. god that was a painful run

[torpid crane]

@magic moss poseidon staff is proving to be very painful

I’m not sure if this is the move

[magic moss]

yeah idk why u trying

[past salmon]

@torpid crane 55F staff when tho

[torpid crane]

when I overcome this ketamine addiction

[magic moss]

hold off on that until you clear medea

[sweet girder]

who hates how the rolling rock face has an active hitbox in front of it, even if it's stunned.

[magic moss]

:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) oh baby dont u love that

[sweet girder]

how can Thanatos kill bosses without dying. I just can't get the damage to a single target.

[uneven palm]

Get Hell Splitter or Executioners Chop or both easy

Storm Ring can help a lot too if Zeus shows up

[past crest]

I hate it it's so annoying when you're using melee

By melee I mean the twin blades

[astral crow]

almost all Selene boons don't work well and take time to activate which means you get hit while trying to initiate them

I really like to Hephatous/Aphrodite builds in this version

I wish the weapons were better. the orbs aren't fun to use

[nocturne heart]

honestly I always get bummed about a getting a hex

I rather a pom than a hex it just doesnt help

[sweet girder]

i've got to Tartarus 4 in 5 times and I CAN'T BEAT CHRONOS. Streaks like theses are so demotivating.

[magic moss]

save state

legit what i did was go into a run with just fury2 no timer got to chronos and all i did was just dodge and learn each of the timings and visual/audio cues

the fight itself is no different between fury2 6F and 50F so if you muscle memory all of the dodge timings then you can maximize damage

[torpid crane]

nothing like having the timings down but dying bc you choked due to time pressure

[wide forge]

So, what's the highest Fear completion we've seen so far?

[elfin ivy]

Honestly I'd probably obscure the timer with a paper or smth if I ever put a run at 5 mins, that pressure would be too much

[elfin ivy]

Foolish and Boated have already gotten 55

[wide forge]

hot damn

[magic moss]

55 on Thanatos by Boated and Medea by Foolish

both of the clears are on the sheet if you wanna check them out along with a BUNCH of other 50 fear clears

[wide forge]

I feel like the 5 minute time should be a bit kinder with some of the transitions. Nothing like making it to Chronos and watching him kill so much of your last precious time with a transition >.>

[magic moss]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit

[nocturne heart]

Is the pact system easier than hades 1 or are the builds just more op🤔

[elfin ivy]

I mean his transitions are already faster thanks to Vow of Fury so if anything he's doing you a favor

[magic moss]

the current system is missing quite a few pacts from h1 so overall the pact system is currently easier

64H is harder than 55F

[wide forge]

Sweet. 😄

[elfin ivy]

Yeah it took like 4 years of the game being out of EA for it to be beaten

Or 3 I forgor

Tho 64H had much more brutal RNG too. So many runs never even made it out of the first room because the starting Boon wasn't optimal

And even then we only have 2 recorded 64H runs, with only 1 being an organic unseeded run... so only 1 in actual execution

[wide forge]

That assumes Vow of Fury. Just trying to get vanilla 5 min run has been frustrating

[past salmon]

64 is harder than 55F and also significantly more RNG reliant

[elfin ivy]

If they add back increased trap damage I will riot

[torpid crane]

what are we missing again

[mild phoenix]

There are many recorded 64 runs wdym

[past salmon]

EM, BP, MM are the main ones Ig

[torpid crane]

which are BP and MM again

[mild phoenix]

https://hadesglobals.netlify.app/HadesTall

[past salmon]

Benefits Package and middle management
Buffed armoured enemies and buffed minibosses

[mild phoenix]

All of these are recorded

[torpid crane]

where are these 64 heat runs you speak of

[mild phoenix]

Other than baj's run, all are unseeded, and angel and bai have unmodded runs

i just linked them

[torpid crane]

I am going through them and the highest I see is 60 lol

[mild phoenix]

scroll to the bottom

[torpid crane]

I found 2 that are moddded

[mild phoenix]

scroll to the bottom with the timeline 64

[torpid crane]

aren't most of those modded..?

what does modded even mean in this context

[mild phoenix]

1 is unmodded seeded and 2 are unseeded

first boon epic, guaranteed 4 core boons from first god, guaranteed 2 sack