h2-builds-and-combat

[magic moss]

the issue with that is that every weapon requires a vastly different play style and especially in a 50F run you're build largely determines how you should be playing the fight (ie. dem cast staff plays very differently from hera eos) and so its not that good practice

[untold steppe]

No, not at all

[silent crow]

medea isnt even thay specific

[amber osprey]

... it's pretty specific to me

[timber pawn]

I mean you don't need zeus special, the whole gameplay loop involves loading your attacks, and then delivering them via special. It is currently one of the strongest weapons in the game, I personally really enjoy the gameplay loop

[silent crow]

all the % based attacks work

[twin light]

But really you should try Zeus Attack/Special

[silent crow]

you can put whatever utility on special

[untold steppe]

Weapons are the most fundamental part of the gameplay, if every aspect can't be played with multiple hammers and gods, then it's poorly designed

[silent crow]

just because blitz special and hera attack is optimal doesjt mean you have to do it

[untold steppe]

There can be OPTIMAL ways to play, but you need several legitimate strategies

[timber pawn]

you basically don't want to use your omega special at all, but as a consequence of how medea works, you do need to learn how to approach enemies in a way that do not get you hit. Which can be challening for folks new to using the weapon

[silent crow]

demeter special works great too for example

[twin light]

From what I'm reading, you probably went the route of loading up all your skulls for one attack

Which is the common pitfall when first trying out Medea

[silent crow]

which exist

what was the original feedback post anyway

oh skull omega attack sucks

[untold steppe]

Using only one or two attacks feels underwhelming and like a lot of overhead when I could just use Mel or Perse and get comparable damage without having a single move that puts me in danger and feels bad to use

[twin light]

#h2-feedback message

[untold steppe]

Skull omega attack blows up half the room and is super fun to use

[silent crow]

mel is THE MOST ONE NOTE ASPECT

[timber pawn]

fwiw I don't think you're going to get a lot of traction in this channel on your complaints.

[silent crow]

mel skull is literally one goddamn button you click attacks and roll into bolstered array and turn your brain off

[untold steppe]

No, probably not, but I was summoned

[magic moss]

nah im going to do a real discussion since it is a legitimate concern

[silent crow]

anyway speaking of skulls i did a perseph run

[timber pawn]

Fair, do you think seeing Medea played effectively at a high level would change your mind at all or no? I can provide a video if it would be of any interest

[silent crow]

i like it its the only "wait a long time to charge a big attack" aspect ive enjoyed

blasted through 40f with no problems

[untold steppe]

Oh no, I've seen it played well, I know that it has high damage potential, but that doesn't translate to 'fun' for me. It needs to be viable AND interesting, and for all the awkwardness of loading the casts, the feelsbadness of the base special, and the one-dimensionality of having (effectively) a single move, it might be viable but it is definitely not interesting

[silent crow]

i think you just dont like it

[untold steppe]

Of course, not everything needs to be for everyone, so I would be disappointed but fine if Medea were never changed. I know a lot of people love it

Yes, that is why I'm giving feedback about it

[limpid coral]

wonder why you think medea is not interesting but mel skull which is just your attack is strong :) is interesting

[silent crow]

its wrong to say its one note at the very least
every aspect has a gameplay loop that you just repeat

[untold steppe]

I never said Mel skull was interesting, I just said it's better to play because it's not awkwardly designed

It's onenote insofar as the only move you do is your special, with every other aspect you weave attacks and specials

[timber pawn]

ya I mean, they're explaining the parts they don't like, which is kinda what we do. But ya, I haven't found the shell loading to be as awkward as you describe. So I don't feel the weapon is awkward at all. Are you usually loading all 3 shells before using a special?

[timber pawn]

I think people would and have recently argued that Mel skull tends to ignore its special altogether

[silent crow]

i think valid feedback is that the game is not built very well around it because god DAMN why do boulders exist who designed the spindles

[untold steppe]

The Bawlders suck, yeah

[timber pawn]

ya these on Medea are a real pain, that is true lol

[untold steppe]

Yeah but by choice, you aren't literally locked out of using it the same way you are locked out of using your attack w Medea

[silent crow]

when i ask the best skulls player "how do you do oceanus on medea" and hes just like "reset on spindle room lol" it feels pretty weird but idk how they could fix that

maybe overall enemy design needs to be ironed out and then medea can be a more accessible aspect

[magic moss]

first of all what do you define as a legitimate strategy? Is it a specific 4 god build that can clear? Is it a combination of gods that is very consistent? With a game like hades where god rng is very randomized outside of keepsakes, it is is more difficult to hit EXACTLY the build you want. Medea is designed as a high risk high reward aspect, and for high fears where runs try to maximize every advantage they can get it is rare to differentiate from an optimal build because why wouldn't you. At low fear runs, there are very many builds that can work on medea, an example being aphro atk and weakness combined with Heph for a less risky build, you can do apollo for massive AOE, demeter atk or special to add CC to your attacks making them safer overall

[silent crow]

medea is loading attacks and then specialing tho

[untold steppe]

Loading attacks isn't actually attacking, loading attacks is just making your special stronger, it's functionally a one-button design

[timber pawn]

I mean it is pressing the attack button

how do you feel about Charon axe? out of curiosity

[magic moss]

The gameplay loop of medea is completely different from every aspect because you are not wielding a weapon like other aspects, you become the weapon and that is the whole point of the aspect. It is designed as a high risk high reward aspect that punishes careless play but greatly rewards those who can maximize its high damage output. It is considered one of the best aspects for that reason

[silent crow]

it makes your special explode i think thats interesting you have to play around the AOE to get efficient clears

[tired fulcrum]

Theyre all more interesting than old momus at least

[pastel elm]

reminds me of hera bow

[untold steppe]

I'm not a huge fan, but I think they're moving in the right direction with the Solar and Geyser Ring changes. Charon isn't as bad as Medea only because your ability to spam the special is limited by its high cost, so you can't JUST spam cast+special, plus the aspect gives casts a unique behaviour with the increased duration. But again, don't love it

[silent crow]

if you get lucid gain you canspam it forever and win

[timber pawn]

you definitely can spam the omega special with a few different gains, ya

[untold steppe]

Well yeah, there is that now

[silent crow]

you can make this argument for a lot of stuff

omega special on moros isnt actually omega specialing, its just making your attacks explode

[timber pawn]

I think I feel basically just the opposite of you on a lot of this stuff. the things you see as negatives I see as positives, because it gives the weapon a unique niche

[untold steppe]

But when I press the omega special, they come out of my body and interact with the enemies as normal

[timber pawn]

if all the weapons need to have 2-3 core gameplay loops built into them they're going to feel very similar across the board

[untold steppe]

So they have an immediate effect

[silent crow]

omega special on moros does like nothing lol

optimal moros uses blitz special because of thay just like medea

[untold steppe]

I have very little interest in optimization because idc about speedrunning or grinding high fear

[silent crow]

dont get me started on the aspects that literally press one button

all the blades are 1 button builds

two of the axes literally just use the attack combo

[tired fulcrum]

Manaless staff

[silent crow]

God Damn It

mel torches is either hold attack or hold ospecial

using the speicla on eos torches is so bad you might as well ignore it and hold the damn attack button

[untold steppe]

When I call Medea one button design, I mean that your attack behaves in a totally abnormal way. You can no longer use your attack on its own, you HAVE to use it in conjunction with the special. In that way, one of your core moves is essentially gone, serving only to empower your special. Other aspects might encourage you to focus on a particular move, but you always have the option to use others

[silent crow]

you can use medea attacks like a fuse

[steel sequoia]

tbh if u tryhard enough like Mynt you can do anything and win with any aspect

[timber pawn]

Tbh I feel like this convo has run its course

[untold steppe]

Yeah, it's a fundamental difference in opinion

[open turret]

Boys, gals and non-binary pals, i have a question about an interaction

Does Geyser Spout works with the regular cast explosion provoqued by the aspect of charon ?

[steel sequoia]

i think you can play "old momus" with like 3 hammers or 2 and speed buffs?

[timber pawn]

You've provided your feelings to the devs in the appropriate channel which is great, maybe we just call it closed and move on

[silent crow]

thank u for scmnkowlignny existence anyway it works but jt sucks dont use it

[silent crow]

speed buffs 😭 😭😭

[magic moss]

and thats perfectly alright, everyone in this channel is very high fear brainrotted so its still good to hear your opinions on the game

[silent crow]

to catch up with the knockback

[magic moss]

nah you cant its not possible

[untold steppe]

Get back to me about high fear when they add interesting vows

[steel sequoia]

it works, but never get Prominence Flare together

[silent crow]

wdym vow of suffering is so interesting trust

[untold steppe]

Are Prominence Flare and Geyser Spout not mutually exclusive? I've tried p damn hard to get them together and I never could

[timber pawn]

Or speeds, but mostly fear lol

[steel sequoia]

i know, people will never get over it, but it were for the good old momus was totally broken

[timber pawn]

Believe they are mutually exclusive yes

[tired fulcrum]

Charon exploding reg cast will trigger the geyser spout explosion but the spout explosion doesnt benefit from charons increased damage or aoe or the damage increase from the furies arcana while regular cast does

[steel sequoia]

geyser will always blow flare, u gonna waste a boon basically

[untold steppe]

Wow, that sucks

[silent crow]

i havent used prominence flare like ever

[untold steppe]

Maybe they actually made Charon less interesting

Does Anvil Ring still only proc 3 times w Charon?

[silent crow]

no yeah they totally did lol but axe ospecial is just fun to use

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah and its slower

[steel sequoia]

i like flare, its not the best dmg output only but works

[untold steppe]

Yeah, that always felt like being cheated

[silent crow]

anvil ring is so depressing

[tired fulcrum]

Charon duration slows anvil ring clang interval and the rate of size increase from supernova

[steel sequoia]

at least it has a normal aoe now

[untold steppe]

New Anvil Ring feels pretty good

[silent crow]

still feels like it does no damage

[tired fulcrum]

engagement ring is too busted

[steel sequoia]

if u get super nova and grand caldera the anvil ring is quite nice

[silent crow]

hopefully next patch they fix heph's vfx and sfx

[untold steppe]

Grand Caldera shouldn't affect Anvil Ring, it's not technically a blast

[steel sequoia]

but than you can get Engagement Ring which is better by itself

[silent crow]

oo wait grand caldera works on it? that sounds pretty neat actually

[magic moss]

yeah imma let you know this right now anytime you visit this channel we have 2 people Mynt and Foolish who post 50F clears like every other day with all kinds of different aspects and builds so everyone here is just numbed to 40+ fear levels

[silent crow]

hey listen my condition is getting better the 40f persephone didnt have hepheastus

[untold steppe]

I did my testaments and I said 'okay, waiting for EM'

[steel sequoia]

if you feel like ur human just play 12-32fear, nobody will judge, im a granny myself and still welcome here.

[silent crow]

i played a run without mint condition can you brlieve it

[untold steppe]

15 fear is enough for me

[steel sequoia]

that said try hera+hestia, best duo

[silent crow]

i even did a casual run today!! with staff ospecial!! im normal!!

[untold steppe]

I enjoy buffing enemies but debuffing yourself is never fun, especially the ones that limit magick and arcana

Elementary Particles really is Something

[silent crow]

high fear in this game is way better than h1 imo but idk maybe i just like the weapons a lot

[magic moss]

honestly 32 fear is a good boundary between where the game stays a difficult but fun challenge and unfun grinding

unless you're Mynt and Foolish who play 50F to feel something

[untold steppe]

I only ever played 32 heat in Hades for the same reason I'm avoiding higher fear in H2. Without EM, BP, or MM, it just doesn't really appeal

[silent crow]

i rmbr one time foolish was like "ya i did 3 50f daggers runs today scorch is op"

[untold steppe]

Could not IMAGINE doing 50 fear

[silent crow]

i didnt like benefits package

[untold steppe]

Really? Why not?

[silent crow]

felt really arbitrary

[steel sequoia]

12f is getting easy for me now, but id say the optimal challenging for me might be 24, i really hate rebuke and revenants.

[magic moss]

like 50F blades were never before cleared and then i cooked up a decent build for the blades after patch 3 got a good start and left for work when i come back Mynt has already cleared 50F blades, I finished and completed my run, then within the next 2 days Foolish has all 3 done

[untold steppe]

I actually enjoy revenants conceptually, I just wish they had a bigger pickup range and wouldn't get stuck in terrain

[silent crow]

like oh wow the numbskulls have blue shields and they regemrste and im usjng arthur and isnt this game so fun what a fun game

[untold steppe]

You could definitely get some brutal rolls on the perks, yeah, but it always kept things fresh

[silent crow]

or the witches that get more speed on top of the speed i already gave them goddamn lay off of me

idk i prefer consistency

[untold steppe]

Mmmm, I love variety

[silent crow]

and middle management... idk how it even changed the midbosses

[untold steppe]

Together we make a complete person

[tired fulcrum]

Have you ever gotten savior numbskulls on bow

[magic moss]

ewwwwwwwwwwwww hades 1 high heat EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[tired fulcrum]

High heat based

[magic moss]

the highest i cleared in h1 was 20H with god mode enabled and that was a pain

[untold steppe]

Haha, that's where you went wrong, you were playing bow

[steel sequoia]

i like having a fun time like a little granny, dont wanna get smashed by hippos every round. im not a cuphead player i dont wanna torture myself.

[tired fulcrum]

Imo h1 50 heat is way easier than 50 fear

[silent crow]

i beat cuphead somehow i dont remember how i beat the bee boss i mustve been high that day

[untold steppe]

My first 32 heat clear was on Gilgamesh if that says anything about what I'll do to myself

[hearty sparrow]

If anyone would like to pore over a run I did of H2, I'd certainly appreciate it. I'm looking for tips on how to improve my playing.

https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/505164873328754688/1257145596322644109

[magic moss]

h1 had divine dash

[past pewter]

and shield

[tired fulcrum]

Dont need it

[steel sequoia]

erebus is the main problem afaik, i believe its a consensus everybody get rekt in erebus in high fear

[tired fulcrum]

Real gamers use tdash

[magic moss]

yeah erebus is the gatekeeper for every run

[silent crow]

erebusting my balls gjumcing oggtteme

[dusty sapphire]

does the Aspect of Charon benefit from the Death Arcana card? it's a little hard to test

[silent crow]

i think ive js tanked the timer in erebus for the past coupel of runs

[tired fulcrum]

Nope

[dusty sapphire]

sadge

[silent crow]

is momus rly the only aspect that can use detah

[dusty sapphire]

persephone

[silent crow]

actually it could work on perseph i shoulda tried that

[dusty sapphire]

seriously this build is fun

[silent crow]

but perseph is kinda strapped for grasp

[dusty sapphire]

apollo solar ring, lucid gain, poseidon geyser spout

[magic moss]

for most non god rng runs you need at least 2 skips to have a decent chance to clear erebus under 5 min

[tired fulcrum]

Or you could just start zeus cast and not have to omega cast

[dusty sapphire]

you want night, death, furies, what else?

[silent crow]

i use unseen

u dont need omega cast on perseph

[dusty sapphire]

true zeus cast seems generally better because it's easier to set up. but this build is still pretty good and fun

[silent crow]

i havent done geyser spout tho

[dusty sapphire]

this particular combo goes infinite with lucid gain, but yeah you don't need omega cast in general

[silent crow]

geyser spout sounds like a great time

[silent crow]

ya im js high fear brainrotted

death sounds fun on this build

[dusty sapphire]

I like it since as long as you mantain a max magick of at least 35, vow of arrogance and panic don't really do much to you

you can still omega cast at 15 magick, which refills you to enough to the do the omega special.

[silent crow]

i need unsern on high fear bc i cant afford to wait for geyser spout and lucid gain bc erebus sucks but ya perseph has good magic economy

i was honestly thinking i could alternate all 3 omegas

bc skull omega atk is only 10 magic

[dusty sapphire]

yeah I'm running 22 fear and I this is def not reliable enough for 32 or higher fear

[silent crow]

i can see it beating 32

idt it could do much higher tho

i think most things work on 32 if u relax the timer

[magic moss]

please keep in mind that we are all used to 40+ anything to use looks like it can clear 32

[silent crow]

perchance

[dusty sapphire]

well it was true in h1

32 heat was mostly a matter of getting used to it, which is broadly the same as 32 fear, though no Extreme Measures complicates things

[silent crow]

cant speak on h1 high fear bc i just did 32 on all weps and stopped

i think i got every zeus boon on the rail run

[silent crow]

i mean vow of arrogance makes up for it a bit

its like 5 free fear

[dusty sapphire]

4 and also it's not exactly free

[silent crow]

i remember taking AP1 on 32h tho so um... idk how lenient it really was

[dusty sapphire]

I mean it's .... easy enough but still

[silent crow]

u p much always take it tho

[dusty sapphire]

yeah

[silent crow]

vow of commotion is also more managrable compared to jury summons

bc the game is built around aoe ignore daggers

[dusty sapphire]

really? I've been very scared to take it

I remember when I turned out js1 one time in h1 and I went absolutely insane

[silent crow]

ya bc h1 weapons suck at aoe

[silent crow]

u'll be fine

[past pewter]

JS felt ass because it increases the number of 3 wave chambers and makes enemies trickle spawn way more

Aoe was only an issue on a few aspects

[silent crow]

rly

[tired fulcrum]

Imo h2 has more time issues at 50 and sub 50

[past pewter]

Yeah like hera sucks with js

[tired fulcrum]

Getting out of tart is a lot easier than getting out of erebus

[silent crow]

thats tru but im js talking abt the individual vow

[silent crow]

ahh right

you needed to take snow burst for that weapon right

[past pewter]

It’s a struggle without it

[silent crow]

i see

[plain fossil]

Yea i didnt click commotion for ages bc i was like WHY WOULD U EVER ADD WAVES IDIOT now i click it over dominance and revs on many aspects due to aoe

[tired fulcrum]

I mean at like 40 heat i can sub 15 on most aspects with js3

Revs

[silent crow]

does commotion even add waves

4 wave rooms were never real right unless it was a trickle room

[plain fossil]

It makes trials last 15 extra seconds thats for fkin sure

[dusty sapphire]

revs are 10x harder than I thought they'd be

[tired fulcrum]

Trickle trials

[untold steppe]

Teehee I like Commotion cuz I like killing things

[tall notch]

I couldn't even get 40h with every weapon in h1, damn you sword and spear 😠

And didn't do higher than 40 with any of them

[silent crow]

so real

commotion is actually a ploy to make hitch stronger

[plain fossil]

This is also beta so its gonna move round a lot

[untold steppe]

I DO love Hitch

[plain fossil]

This patch was like -10 fear to every aspect maybe next patch will be +20

[tired fulcrum]

Id do 40 heat zag spear any day over 40f daggers

[silent crow]

i love it when the revenant of a tempus is stuck in the time bubble so i waste more time

or when a revenant gets stuck in a wall trap and the enemy respawns in the wall

[cold nebula]

does the furies apply its damage bonus to the omega cast damage?

[tired fulcrum]

Yes unless you have geyser spout

[dusty sapphire]

you lied to me

[cold nebula]

im assuming that means it also applies to charon special?

[silent crow]

awr naur..

[tired fulcrum]

Think so

Can test against skelly

[dusty sapphire]

I knew it was gonna be a lot but it was way more than I thouhgt

[obtuse tendon]

I use to like the big axe but now I have discovered the flames

witch sticks

[magic moss]

we lost another to the flames o7

[steel sequoia]

nobody will judge you unless you say you are main staff

[magic moss]

[bleak night]

Staff is pretty alright

That dash attack is really good

[magic moss]

why does your message have extra lines

Mynt what witchcraft is this

[tall notch]

Why
would
it
not

[untold steppe]

Literally me, Moros forever

[magic moss]

My lord I have failed chronos on eos 7 times now please give me strength and endurance for I am faltering in my ways

[silent crow]

dies instantly

[untold steppe]

Friendship died with Than rework, now Moros is my best friend

[silent crow]

how did that go up by two literally today 😭

[obtuse tendon]

The staff lacks power

[tall notch]

Believe in the Daybreaker

[bleak night]

Managed to do a 50F on Staff with Poseidon yesterday. Was pretty fun ngl

[obtuse tendon]

I get so bored playing staff

[tall notch]

Click dash

[magic moss]

i will cry

[untold steppe]

Even Momus??

[silent crow]

its soo rng dependant

[bleak night]

I might do the other two Staves if I'm having fun like this. I'm looking at the Thermal Dynamics duo a little

[obtuse tendon]

seems even slower?

[bleak night]

I'll def take a break for the next two days though

[obtuse tendon]

maybe I'm not playing it right

[silent crow]

nah momus is p fast if you can use magic

[untold steppe]

Momus is deliberate but I wouldn't call it slow, you can definitely play it pretty fast

[past salmon]

Staff is just RNG unfortunately
For my staff 50s I'm just gonna do assorted duo runs
Should be fun lmao

[bleak night]

Yeah, I wanted the Zeus-Poseidon duo

[steel sequoia]

staff is the most boring aspect unfortunatelly

[untold steppe]

Repositioning an omega after only one retrigger is still double value, you don't need to wait for all 3 to proc

[bleak night]

Didn't show up at all, but it was very fun

[silent crow]

i hate using the staffs attack combo but i love the ospecial

[untold steppe]

I loooooooove staff omega attack

[silent crow]

staff oatk charges too slow for me

[magic moss]

Profaene both Mynt and Foolish are online expect either of them to post a 50F run sometime within the next 24hr

[untold steppe]

Ominous...

[steel sequoia]

ur suppose to buff it or play special

[silent crow]

its also weak as hell 120 damage for 20 magic what is this ratio

[untold steppe]

Lining up enemies is so much fun tho

[silent crow]

skull omega special costs the same amount and does like 1000 damage and gives you iframes

[steel sequoia]

i do believe circe is the strongest staff, but is so boring, momus is a little better, but not so fun either

[obtuse tendon]

my new favourite build is Demeter freeze on cast + Zeus Lightening on freeze

[silent crow]

u mean mana staffs?

[magic moss]

imo momos > mel > circe

[obtuse tendon]

and Apollo expanding circle

[silent crow]

bc strongest staff build is manaless

[untold steppe]

Manaless staff sounds so boring... what do you do...

[steel sequoia]

manaless staff is a sister blades of wood

[magic moss]

you hit things and then you hit them more

[dusty sapphire]

click attack button

[silent crow]

you click attack for 20 minutes and pray to god you roll into mirrored thraser

[obtuse tendon]

the staff's special is bleugh

[steel sequoia]

thats why i think circe is stronger, you burst serenity after hitting manaless

[magic moss]

you lose huntress value instantly

[silent crow]

except using omega atks is slower and less safe than just hitting them so just hit them

[steel sequoia]

aint it suppose to have less than 100%? why would you lose?

[magic moss]

serenity fills to full

[silent crow]

circe theoretically should help with erebus but the oatk charges so slow it doesnt actually do anything

[steel sequoia]

u can omegacast

[silent crow]

that takes a while to detonate but fair

[steel sequoia]

well it loses anyways

[magic moss]

after the serenity time is up in which case you lose 5 seconds of huntress value and more time for placing the omega cast

[silent crow]

by the end usign any omegas is worse than simply attacking more

[steel sequoia]

yeah its weird, havent noticed, i dont play it much tho

[magic moss]

momus and mel can use omega moves without too much penalty, and momus just gets more value per move so thats why i think momus is better

[steel sequoia]

that said the 3 are the same aspect

[magic moss]

well for high fear manaless builds anyway since panic now reduces to 50% now

[silent crow]

mel staff is the most fun imo

[steel sequoia]

mel staff is a bad charon/persephone im sorry, staffs arent fun

[silent crow]

dahs atk - ospecial is a fun gameplay loop for me

[dusty sapphire]

I don't prefer staff either but I do like how much more fun it is than sword was in h1

[steel sequoia]

i did had some fun other day with zeus aphro duo spamming dashatk

but i think i was with blades not staff, but works the same

[silent crow]

i like dual moonshot and apollo special

throw out big nukes very fast

[silent crow]

hmm idk

ykw yeah staffs better

[steel sequoia]

its not fun, but aint the worst, i can still play manaless hestia+hera

[timber pawn]

Staff is kind of in a weird spot, I agree

[tall notch]

I'm not a fan of the best thing a staff is capable of simply whacking your enemies repeatedly. Would be nice if it felt more like a Mage's weapon

Eos is a better staff than the actual staff

[timber pawn]

It's got a ton of power locked behind 3 hammers, and those somehow wildly outshine the omega moves

[tired fulcrum]

why do i mald less getting 5 sacked in 50 heat h1 than getting hit by a hippo

[timber pawn]

I think momus is kind of okay?

[silent crow]

would be nice if the staff weapon didnt have literally the worst arsenal of omega moves in the game

[tall notch]

You're so right

[tired fulcrum]

You gotta point there

[steel sequoia]

yeah, they should buff the omegas not the base dmg itself imo.

[silent crow]

i like how axe oatk is like spend 13 magic for 200 damage big aoe and relatively fast chargeup and staff oatk is spend 20 magic on the slowest chargup youve ever seen to use a move that has 5 years of endlag that does 120 damage with a hitbox like 2 inches wide

[steel sequoia]

hello #h2-feedback

[silent crow]

and staff ospecial does 80 goddamn damage this thing is worse than solo atk skulls on persephone

[silent crow]

i already did 😭

[tall notch]

Omg i just realised a single Daybreaker pulse does more than staff's entire omega attack

[steel sequoia]

not for you, devs should read lmao

[magic moss]

i love how yall are now realizing why i love manaless so much more

[silent crow]

15 magic basically no windup btw and it hits multiple times

and it has a hitbox you can actually take advantage of??? and not a useless line

[tall notch]

And the ghost is cute

[timber pawn]

The line is really way too narrow, ya

[silent crow]

i always knew manaless was 100x better but man if you put it into perspective

[steel sequoia]

that said just play hera+hestia and grab a Static Shock for the most fun you will ever get

[timber pawn]

I wonder how often this stuff is getting feedbacked

[silent crow]

not that often normal people rly dont care about hammer reliance

[magic moss]

ive had a lot of time to think about it

[silent crow]

its probably why the spear is the way it is in hades 1 where you either get flurry jab or explosive launcher or reset

[tired fulcrum]

I mean its fine till 45+

[silent crow]

feels like ass still

how much dmg is base skull ospecial

like 100 per wave right

[tall notch]

Spear was my last 32h iirc

[silent crow]

go figure lol

[tired fulcrum]

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[silent crow]

tdash gaming

[tired fulcrum]

Real

[silent crow]

is this the equivalent of just using storm ring in h2

[tired fulcrum]

Extra real

[tall notch]

The OG weapon agnostic boon stacking

[silent crow]

hell yeah

could you imagine how broken h2 would be if we still had rush delivery

and it scaled off of sprint speed buffs

[tall notch]

Send out Daybreaker and run around in circles for dmg increase from rush delivery
Sounds like fun

[silent crow]

eos wins yet again

[past salmon]

I'm on holidays so none from me for about a week probs
Maybe some Moros 50Fs every couple days to keep in practice

[tall notch]

Omg hi foolish

[past salmon]

Omg hi

[timber pawn]

Hey you recorded your eos 50 run right? Can you send me a link?

Can't find it

[tall notch]

https://youtu.be/jqJhpEMbtvo?si=8SPayKwaY80eZDPP

[past salmon]

Honestly a break will be good for me
I'm clearing 50F easier than ever but it's making me mald more
I blame blades being ass

[timber pawn]

Ya I feel that

More I play the more likely I am to tilt, to some degree

[past salmon]

Also I did a Moros 50F with glamour gain that was the worst experience of my life
That sht does not regen fast enough lmao

Still made it but like 35s overtime

[tall notch]

I'm taking a lil' break too

[timber pawn]

I got my pb down to 7:27 which is like, probably as close as I was to wr last patch

[past salmon]

Maybe I should do some speed.
I feel I could get to around that with Moros. I've got an awful lot of practice on it

[timber pawn]

Moros is the wr atm it works very well with the current meta stuff

Medea is struggling a little without old antler but it's hanging in there. Charon is in a great spot

[past salmon]

Charon and Moros both need nerfs probs lol
They are the best at both Speeds and high fear
Charon in particular is an absurdly easy 50F

[timber pawn]

Ya there's probably going to have to be another tuning pass on weps later, maybe once they're all in play

[timber pawn]

The succ blobs are so annoying in fields

[timber pawn]

The very end of the run was terrifying oh man

[tired fulcrum]

when you get succ stunlocked in a bawlder or chargy guy

[plain fossil]

I bricked one to chronos p2 because of timer

I had three DDs, 300 hp, coarse grit and a 100% special damage chaos boon

Im starting to accept that im actually just trash

If i didnt spend like 1 full minute on lamia in fields i woulda been fine

[dull ferry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1239535617105199144/1257173043592040499/image.png?ex=66837122&is=66821fa2&hm=3d42250a6f79b734d6cb691c6743233cb764c510a1bf8cef7f9daae539f9c628& which one is better for aspect of moros?

[plain fossil]

I prefer clean helix but i dont play that much moros

[dull ferry]

I feel like both are good but can't decide

[magic moss]

clean. For moros you dont need an extra special because the specials will collide into the attacks anyway at some point so no need for triple. Clean channels faster, making it smoother and more safe, and the mana cost reduction helps greatly reduce the mana requirement for omega special uptime

[dull ferry]

alright, thanks!

[timber pawn]

Like the miniboss?

[plain fossil]

Yea

I potatoed a lot

[timber pawn]

Tbf if it doesn't insta die it does run around now

And spam that Shockwave that cancels channeling

[plain fossil]

Yea i shoulda just ignored the small lamias

Instead i spent like 1 minute killing them cos im stupid

[magic moss]

im ngl i actually struggle more with charon 50F than mel 50F

i completely fluked the one time i made it to chronis

[stone karma]

i tend to favor the daggers and axe, i haven't tried the skulls yet and the staff seems serviceable but the torches seem absolutely horrible any tips on using them?

[plain fossil]

The basic mel torches rotation is hold down left click and dash around shooting things while dropping cast until everything is dead

[magic moss]

stay away from the torches once you get used to them you will never go back

we have already lost too many men to the allures of the torches

[plain fossil]

Moros is the same except u start by loading up an omega special then do what i wrote above until ur special runs out then repeat

Eos u spawn a daybreaker then go to a different part of the room and either respawn ur daybreaker or spam special till everything dies

Its all pretty straightforward

[tired fulcrum]

https://imgur.com/a/6RKP2Fe do the funny and use bloodline

[bleak night]

I forgot to post a clip from earlier that I'm sure all of you will enjoy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1257177817905627236/Thank_you_Nemesis.mp4?ex=66837595&is=66822415&hm=8ebb3871b7bdcda7ca56c00af9eb9a01e4e788db6b720585300f97a1afe64838&

[plain fossil]

LMAO

[tired fulcrum]

Lmao

[bleak night]

@past salmon

[magic moss]

I SAW THE ENEMIES START SWARMING AND INSTANTLY STARTED LAUGHING

[plain fossil]

why did they all aggro u, u dont have static shock

[tired fulcrum]

That f10 is the cherry on top

[plain fossil]

Uh not static shock the other one

[bleak night]

yeah I have no Spirit Surge

[plain fossil]

I dont understand, its funny tho

[tired fulcrum]

It me or do fields bawlders have infinite aggro range

[stone karma]

i'm probablt going to go back to my old ways as close as i can and do dodge shenanigans with the athena daggers (holdover from zag's gloves)

[tired fulcrum]

Athena daggers? You mean artemis?

[bleak night]

also I learned a new trick

[stone karma]

i thought athena it was athena specifically that had an aspect on the daggers that procced a riposte effect

[bleak night]

if you guys wanna hear this funny lil tech, that is

[stone karma]

whatever the name riposte instead of dodge

[restive bolt]

i can't beat axe 16 fear so gladly

[dull ferry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1239535617105199144/1257178096268869643/image.png?ex=668375d7&is=66822457&hm=258a2dd288281358e33b8b864d5d0a40ad2e12b66a8f9c7bc9602bf68496ade5&

I think I was able to channel Omegas faster

[stone karma]

i just double checked. i was wrong

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1257180681750970428/image.png?ex=6683783f&is=668226bf&hm=cf29345d9fb7b47a562e81899be4795e29c91d05ac8cbaf9e17d019b0d393b2c& nice

I wanted to do just one run before I stopped, but uh

[magic moss]

@untold steppe what did i tell you

[tender anvil]

Is scorch like good now? You seem to have a lot of success with it

[bleak night]

it's the Engagement Ring, not the Scorch

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217110523091357747/1257014652978728990/image.png?ex=6682dd9f&is=66818c1f&hm=8104a9e09d3115141b353839a42e1d5bb02ac86062e7976875e58b40206bd01f&

[magic moss]

im assuming hera start into pin whenever

[tender anvil]

Yeah, engagement ring I know

[bleak night]

I tested a new tech I wanted to see earlier, and it worked, so I had Tooth in Fields

Tooth -> lose that dd -> Echo refreshes it (4 dds), -> take off tooth -> still keep 4th dd Echo gave back

I lost most of my dds in fields again because the Nem thing pissed me off so much I started getting tilted

[forest hinge]

i just thought of smth while dying on momus yet again, what if u Persephone skull into Hestia cast?

breaks blue shields and charges pers now that it counts all cast dmg

[magic moss]

i think engagement ring is objectively superior

[forest hinge]

also kind of a bummer that things like gale force's cyclone and things like anvil ring dont replicate for Momus, the aspect is kinda boring for me

[obtuse tendon]

currently loving Demeter - Arctic Ring, Gale Force and Cold Storage with Zeus duo boon that lightning strikes frozen enemies. I forget what the duo boon is called

[magic moss]

hailstorm

[plain fossil]

Omega cast is generqlly pretty bad for momus, it charges quite slowly and the damage is very delayed

At least it hits pretty hard per mana used

[obtuse tendon]

it's brokenly strong

melted chronos

[plain fossil]

Hail storm is one of the better new duos for sure, im a fan

[magic moss]

its been the core for a 50F victory so yeah

[forest hinge]

is it just like a drop it and forget it thing? like use cast and like it rack up spawn dmg?

[magic moss]

mix of both

[silent crow]

u want it always up so you hitxh everything

[forest hinge]

damn, i use to enjoy Pan a lot, but this kinda sucks

[bronze bear]

it essentially breaks shields for all new spawns

[forest hinge]

like, its fun once the build is online, but like until stuff is in place u dont have an aspect

[bronze bear]

no other cast does that map-wide

[silent crow]

pan sucks yeah

all the daggers do

[forest hinge]

Artemis is fun with Aphrodite attack for big fun numbers, but baiting out the parry messes with combat flow pretty bad

[silent crow]

its kinda overkill

the main problrms the aoe and reach

[forest hinge]

Its overkill for normal rooms, but good for bosses, but it has low uptime since it only lasts 9 strikes and has like a 12 sec refresh on the effect

[plain fossil]

I like pan up to about 32f

[silent crow]

bosses arent a huge deal anyway

[plain fossil]

When u have to turn on suffering it gets much harder to play

[silent crow]

pan js feels like ass to play for me

[plain fossil]

Eh theres value in being able to consistently and easily deal with chronos without using DDs

[forest hinge]

Suffering has been my go-to vow, so maybe thats why most of my weapons aren't past 24f for me yet LOL

[plain fossil]

And hecate but pan cant actually do that at high fear

[silent crow]

wtf pls stop doing that

[forest hinge]

IM SORRY D;

[plain fossil]

Suffering is ok if u aggressively prioritize heph but theres no good reason to do that at 24

[silent crow]

i feel like thats more of a skill thing than a build thing tho

[bleak night]

I'm down to do a meme run where I PonyMenu in Island Getaway and Glamour Gain and have enemies attack and move at 400% speed

because of the bug

[plain fossil]

I dont think anybody on this discord can consistently do chronos at every fear without losing DDs

[bleak night]

yeah I still die to him at like fury 2 no extra modifiers when using a weapon that isn't Axe lol

[plain fossil]

Even if ur very mechanically skilled its difficult

[silent crow]

thats true but usually the pin js lets you damage race him

[forest hinge]

Heph for Trusty Shield?

[silent crow]

your not gonna get that room 1

[plain fossil]

The reason chronos isnt the hardest part of ur run isnt because he himself is not difficult - he's usually the rippiest part of ur run in terms of deaths per second - but because he's the only fight where u can lose multiple dds on and it's okay because there's no more content after him

I would certainly have a lot more clears if all my builds did as much safe dps to chronos as pan does

[silent crow]

i guess

[past salmon]

Tbf I can when I'm not under pressure.
I'm just the greatest choker in the world

[bronze bear]

what is ponymenu lmao I thought you were talking about pony island

[timber pawn]

Mod that allows you to just give yourself boons afaik

[bronze bear]

oh then do you know what said bug is?

[plain fossil]

Lulw

The point i was making anyway is that pan might have a lot of room problems but the ability to delete cerb and chronos has nonzero value

[past salmon]

Unfortunately in my experience getting a build that does that with onion is easier said then done

I had a few tart runs with pan just zdps even with hook

[bleak night]

@past salmon I think I have an addiction problem

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241589849912246382/1257205220794962031/image.png?ex=66838f1a&is=66823d9a&hm=707a48d293e2c3257f1db54bc7daf194bc39675c8b614fd3fed153e47d23c1cf& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241589849912246382/1257014765897781389/image.png?ex=6682ddba&is=66818c3a&hm=6666eae2c28185694e45cca74bb192016eaab63fd1a5719c88cd5c6e74a57fb9& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1257180681750970428/image.png?ex=6683783f&is=668226bf&hm=cf29345d9fb7b47a562e81899be4795e29c91d05ac8cbaf9e17d019b0d393b2c&

[past salmon]

Lol i saw

Are you just gonna bite the bullet and do torches?

[bleak night]

I just came back from the Mel Staff one rn

[bleak night]

I will unironically just stop doing 50F for 2 days now, then I'll see if my playstyle matches. Because, honestly, I just did Staff because I found the playstyle really fun

[past salmon]

Lol ok

I'm getting outmatched now
You've beaten me in the aspect race

[bleak night]

race?

tbh I think I just clicked with Staff is all

[past salmon]

Unofficial one 😭

[bleak night]

also my Circe one had 8 dds

[magic moss]

all aspect 50F clears

[bleak night]

you'll win the highest fear one, no doubt tho

also you'll easily surpass since I'm just really averse to using Torches for some reason

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1257206307895771219/What.mp4?ex=6683901d&is=66823e9d&hm=ce4f69a018dadddfce41b8142437fcb70d3f8b102d8f107b4965f27096722289& also had this happen to me earlier

[bleak night]

Moros is good, but my brain just can't handle it for some reason

[past salmon]

Honestly I see 55F falling soon.
I got 3 Moros 50F clears in a row I'm getting Hella good at the weapon

Charon could do 55F easily honestly imo if it's Ospecial just cost 25 lmao

[bleak night]

Yeah, the 30 made it impossible to be able to get one off even with 3 Psyche drops with +3 mana

yeah, 3

[magic moss]

just making sure im not missing anything from both of you 🐐

Hades 2 50F Clearers as of Patch 3
Staff:
Mel - Foolish, Mynt
Circe - 虞鱼于渔, Mynt
Momus (Old) - Nice
Momus (Rework) - Mininet, Mynt

Blades:
Mel - Mynt
Artemis - Mininet, Mynt, Foolish
Pan - Mynt

Torch:
Mel - Boron
Moros - Foolish, jdeeyu
Eos - Eos' #1 Fan

Axe:
Mel - Mynt, Foolish
Charon - Mynt, Foolish, Zzz, Charon
Thanatos - Mynt, Foolish

Skull:
Mel: Fuggles, Boron, Foolish, Mynt
Medea - Foolish, Mynt
Persephone - Foolish, Mynt

[past salmon]

Seems fine yeh

I'll finish off the aspects once I'm back probs
Staff is easy and Eos seems fine, I only did 1 attempt with bad arcana and died to timer Chronos P2 so. Mel torches should be fine and then blades if just Artemis but again maybe

Might get Mynts help with Pan tho

[plain fossil]

I woulda thought more ppl did charon 50f

[past salmon]

Honestly if anyone wants to do a 50F I highly reccomend just doing Charon. It's the easiest one atm

[plain fossil]

I woulda done it if i didnt take over a minute on lamia or if i didnt take 100 from chronos blender and theres like 20 ppl here less potato than me

[magic moss]

whats the build and boon prio

ill try tmr after work

[bleak night]

Pan kinda wants you to have Hook Knives to get the same sort of deal you did for Arty

[past salmon]

Get lucid gain - get Apollo special if not locked out, otherwise Hera probs maybe

I did Hera special for my first one,

[bleak night]

I'll help you with it ofc, yeah. I'll probs ask Cold for help regarding Eos soon to see if I can manage 40

[bleak night]

Should also be doable, Hook Knives is what you're really fiending for is all. A good second is that one that lets them bounce

[past salmon]

Hexes can also just carry Charon btw.
Phase shift or Eclipse with invuln is just absurdly good

[bleak night]

Ty for the build on Mel Staff btw

I didn't do Dem, I did Hestia, but the Storm Ring start carried me

Well tbh the game chose Hestia for me off an Artificer

[past salmon]

Storm ring is rlly good yeah

Just helps you like
Not die to timer on Hecate lmao

[bleak night]

Also usable on Torches or should I always pick the funny Engagement Ring ?

[past salmon]

Idk tbh with torches
I don't click engagement on Moros since it wants other stuff more usually

[bleak night]

I'll probs ask Jdee what he did since he finished it fairly recently,

[past salmon]

My recent runs with Moros I've been doing Wheel Erebus and praying for a gain.
If I don't get one it's still winnable even if I don't get a gain until the end of Oceanus but it's kind of miserable

[bleak night]

What's considered a good gain on it ?

With Born being nerfed and all

[past salmon]

Born is still rlly good
Hestia seems best tho I never seem to get it
Ionic and lucid work but suck
Glamour is awful, it's not quick enough
Fixed obvs sucks
Poseidon is good(?) but I personally hate it

[bleak night]

Does Glamour Gain not work when you're omega attacking ?

[past salmon]

I have a couple won runs with like lucid/ionic
One with glamour too but uhh, yeah just avoid it lmao
I would upload and send them but I don't have access to the recordings until next week

[past salmon]

Yeah it doesn't and the gain is just too slow anyways

[bleak night]

This patch, I find that Heph + Aphro is a really good core for aspects that get close. When I did Medea I got Colossus Tackle for 30% damage reduc with specials + Weak + Strength, so Chronos was doing maybe 17 damage to me

Try it out, even on Blades for Mel Blade

[past salmon]

I don't rlly want to tank my way to wins
I already avoid going for CG/Frosty

[bleak night]

I don't mind doing it with Medea ngl lol

[past salmon]

I'm committed to doing 55F where tanking isn't an option so

[bleak night]

On Mel Blades I kinda discovered it on that run alone

[past salmon]

Blades are the only aspects I don't want to 50F tbh
I'll do them tho, it would be stupid to stop with only 2 left

[bleak night]

Btw Caprice allows editing of your run info on Vercel now if you wanna add boons to your run display

[bleak night]

How I feel with Torches ngl

[past salmon]

Oh cool
I think I'll leave what I have up anyway

[bleak night]

That's fair, yeah.

[past salmon]

But torches are actually fun 😭

[bleak night]

My brain just can't understand how to play them

It's not a skill issue, it's an understanding issue, which is a lot worse

[past salmon]

When I get home I can upload my 3 streak 50F Moros
Maybe it will help
They are all very different runs, so should maybe help

[bleak night]

Yeah, sure. That or just the one with a build that wasn't the most ideal, but you made it work anyway?

Since I start with Silver Wheel and all and pray to Artificer

[past salmon]

Yeh. You might just get it done before then tho lmao

[bleak night]

I won't play for the next 12 hours, I'm kinda tired. I'll upload the stuff then watch that The Boys episode.

[past salmon]

Yeah that one's part of the 3 streak it's fire

[bleak night]

[past salmon]

Well I'm not back for 7 days minimum so lol

[bleak night]

Oh, vacation ?

[past salmon]

Yeah

[bleak night]

Nice, enjoy it~

[plain fossil]

Are these additive btw

[bleak night]

ngl I've no clue. I just enjoyed tanking hits a lot more since trusty shield would eat the suffering. You'd still try not to get hit all too much, but the added safety makes you play more confidently

[plain fossil]

Hang on a minute arent these bugged together or something

Last patch the chains would mess up the targeting on return

[bleak night]

No clue, I never got them together. Was mostly saying these hammers are good to go for on Pan in general

[plain fossil]

Oh ok sure sure i just remember targeting issues

I dont mind spiral knives either, some ppl rly hate them and theyre terrible on surface but idk i find them pretty okay

[bleak night]

I've just churned out 9 50F aspect clears in 2 days, I will definitely take a break now

I haven't played Axe since I started

[plain fossil]

I might try that heph aphro core for mel blades its a good idea i just dont know how it deals with blue shields

[bleak night]

I had Wave Strike for it

[plain fossil]

Oh

[bleak night]

wanna see the run ?

[plain fossil]

If u have it to hand, sure

[bleak night]

ye I'm on YT rn uploading the Circe and Mel Staff one

[bleak night]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTh95jgIIG8

[plain fossil]

Thanks

Flick knives clear pog

[bleak night]

Did you see that Nem thing I posted earlier

wait, yep you did

[plain fossil]

Yea i did it was lul

One nice thing about mel blades is when u can actually stick close behind a target ur damage is actually really good

Its just positioning is always horrendous and u eat 5 times as many hits as other builds

[bleak night]

Medea still gets hit more, but Mel Blades def feels bad yeah

[plain fossil]

Its that flurry of blades in the middle

If that didnt exist mel blades would feel pretty good imo

[bleak night]

The dash attack is also kinda bad. She does a little twirl that completely stops your momentum

for Axe and Staff, they have great properties; Axe's is quick and Staff interrupts your momentum, but has great range on it

for Blades, it's pure melee and it interrupts

[plain fossil]

Blades dash attack is horrendous but it is a little better with flick knives 🙂

[bleak night]

I'll start making a thumbnail for my runs

[past salmon]

I should too
I'm debating doing a big chop 50F meme video
Could go hard

[bleak night]

You want me to send you my thumbnail template when I'm done?

For serious runs, mostly. You can put whatever you want for meme runs lol

[past salmon]

oh sure, probs wont use it but might be inspiration ig

[bleak night]

just thinking of something simple like so https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1257236410386223214/image.png?ex=6683ac26&is=66825aa6&hm=b67595d888ecb2e9437ff49f3023e81a272aaab278a66fa88ca5f6d62cbe99fc&

Heph icon massive wtf

[past salmon]

lmao THICC heph icon

[bleak night]

I scaled them all by 100% and that one is just massive in comparison

Wondering what the good placements are, right side of the screen is untouched. Maybe God icons in descending order there ?

[past salmon]

Also
I've got the laptop setup

most cursed 55F win incoming 🙏
Trackpad gaming will go hard trust

[bleak night]

Imagine if trackpad is actually what makes you win

[past salmon]

Nah you do a massive there simply

in fact just remove the whole thumbnail and put

[bleak night]

I'll put meme thumbs on my meme runs dw

A glow on the weapon might be good, yeah ? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1257237404062978061/image.png?ex=6683ad13&is=66825b93&hm=66d9a374ca46d938733a5f6d6d710be8d41e57f2d9b3ca6e2632924cda209c12&

A bit of a visibility issue for most of them

[past salmon]

Yeah that sounds good

[bleak night]

Yeah, it looks way better https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1257238877198880768/image.png?ex=6683ae72&is=66825cf2&hm=48c3a2b7abb0191b3d0bf7bc93da4d6fa1817145c5763852a2e37eeaeaa70702&

[dull ferry]

is Born Gain worth picking below Epic? it feels a little scary to pick up for me now

[bleak night]

It's still quite good if you put poms into it

[dull ferry]

I usually get it on Common rarity then after Hecate I make it Heroic with Narcissus keepsake

[bleak night]

That's also one way to go about it, yeah. I managed to make it work even with Arrogance, I just made sure to get some mp tonicks along the way

[turbid hull]

what's born gain again

[dull ferry]

hera's magick regen boon

[pine patio]

Hera gain, prime magick whenever you run out then refill up to new full

[dull ferry]

what are mp tonicks? the items that give you +max magick?

[bleak night]

yep yep

[past salmon]

Yeah born gain is still really good. Like Mynt said, just pick up max magick more. I've used born gain quite a few times on my Moros 50F runs and it feels better than most other gains

[dull ferry]

ah, thanks

sorry, I'm not a native english speaker lol

[dull ferry]

yeah it needs a lot more care now, in form of max magick and poms

pre-nerf it was just infinite magick for free

[plain fossil]

Really good is prolly a strong word its kinda narrow now imo

Where its good is if u need constant mana and u dont want to stop using ur skills, like imo its still ur best choice on mel torches

If u need a lot of mana in big chunks i find it quite hard to use

[turbid hull]

The Swift Runner is still non linear

[plain fossil]

But its not awful or anything i think sgg did a pretty good job on it, after playing with it a bunch

[turbid hull]

Arcana Cards updated

[blazing elbow]

What is the best aspect for Ignium?

[turbid hull]

working on it!

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1257253773475053608/image.png?ex=6683bc52&is=66826ad2&hm=eba942475809bf4fe50204ba836a57b6591321688298f8e318860f9a262d625d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1440&height=552

[pine wind]

if you have Apollo Legendary, does the Daggers Omega Attack do both its hits from the same spot (so both backstab if you start from front), or does it move you twice so only one is backstab?

[sacred rock]

new lucid gain with charon axe is so goooood

never run out of of magic

[ripe ore]

Which one is better for pan’s aspect, Aphrodite or Poseidon on special?

I usually use poseidon but I’m considering trying Aphrodite

[bleak night]

Have you tried Scorch + Engagement Ring

Poseidon is really good as well, but Scorch + Engagement Ring are just really damn good

[ripe ore]

Ohhh!!!

I only tried scorch but not with engagement ring

[bleak night]

Wanna see a lil clip of it ?

[ripe ore]

Yeah!

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1256659363620323379/Engagement_Ring_is_pretty_good.mp4?ex=66838cfb&is=66823b7b&hm=8b13176f1909a5b9053fa3392928e16514b15cc3e59a2db7eb63ae61d49a2eb6&

[ripe ore]

Oh my god it melts wow

[bleak night]

It's really good vs bosses as well since it's already Origination. If you find more Hestia boons for increasing your Scorch damage ratio, or you find her Duo with Demeter, then you'll pretty much run through everything

There's also an argument to use Poseidon Waves with Engagement Ring, because their Duo is also really good

+10% damage for every 100 gold you have on you. Just stack the money up and you'll do more damage than anything Hestia ever could

[ripe ore]

Cool cool

I’ll try both

[bleak night]

have fun

[dull ferry]

wait it applies hitch to enemies that step on it too?

I thought it only applied it to enemies when they spawn

did I miss a change in the patch notes or am I seeing things? lol

[bleak night]

It does, yeah

It's quite possible the strongest boon rn, wouldn't be surprised if they remove the on-spawn Hitch

[dull ferry]

I thought it only applied hitch on spawn, that's how I understood the description

[bleak night]

probs forgot to edit the text to reflect that

tooltip, rather

[dull ferry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1239535617105199144/1257275687350567053/image.png?ex=6683d0ba&is=66827f3a&hm=98ec2c800206a61bffaa1e59fe399ca984bc681d8d715e47d5cb5294dca7559c&

[plain fossil]

I was surprised as well

[dull ferry]

damn, now I'll be taking it 100% of the time then, I thought that it was useless after the enemies already spawned

thanks I guess lol

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1257277432273047562/Hades_II_1.png?ex=6683d25a&is=668280da&hm=d19787d48d18dfe50c74291dd3b0585d66d3a208ffba80c4e2eb38dfe2e1ec87&
lmao
First try on trackpad im gaming
Didnt lose a DD before tart but I took antler for the funny and got a whole lot of Tempus rooms
Also 3 duos cuz sure ig game
@bleak night

[plain fossil]

Cyclone duo is fun eh

[past salmon]

yeah sunny disposition did way more work tho lol

I just ran into Chronos at p2 twice
Was very funny

[limpid coral]

if pom arrogance bug was fixed would you ever rarify born gain

[past salmon]

idk how the math checks out tbh

If I already have some max magick ups maybe

[bleak night]

Trackpad gaming sounds fun lol

[limpid coral]

like even now it's like maybe +10 mana over the course of a longer room and that +10 is probably not even used cause +2 every cycle, like you're usually overshooting by quite a bit anyway so it doesn't even matter

[past salmon]

it honestly isnt I keept firing off specials in the wrong direction 💀

[bleak night]

How are hearthrobs on Charon? Do you dash through your enemies or something ?

[limpid coral]

has anyone played with the touch point thing on some laptops

[past salmon]

yes I just run into the enemies

I just pretend im playing medea for a moment

[bleak night]

I turn my laptop's trackpad off when I play this game lol

[past salmon]

wtf is this?

[bleak night]

Medea was nice and all, but I will never bring that thing to high fear ever again jfc

[past salmon]

bro its like
Definitely one of the hardest 50Fs right

[limpid coral]

It's like a nub in the middle of the keyboard you pressure in a direction to make the cursor move, and the track pad has two buttons on top for m1 and m2, some older laptops had it when i was in grade school

[plain fossil]

I tried charon with heartthrobs at 43f it felt kinda fine? Apollo cast makes u stand kinda near ppl anyway

[past salmon]

The only weapon I've gotten even close to struggling as much as Medea was Blades, and even then Medea was way harder
I've obvs gotten better at the game now tho

[bleak night]

I died to Chronos at least 5x

Most of them were phase 2 at least

[limpid coral]

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.umpcportal.com%2Ffiles%2F2012%2F12%2FLenovo-Thinkpad-Twist-23.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=ba9ec24d48ba0e877b1613c120fe0ad4a376f8d6ca7df17b85a420ad391ecaa7&ipo=images

[past salmon]

lets not talk about me dying to chronos like 7 times on Than lmao
Bro I was choking so unbelievably hard on Than

[past salmon]

oh a trackpad,. yeah I just did this run on it lmao

[bleak night]

You know how I was making fun of you for choking 6 dds on a Than 50f? I lost with 7 on a Medea 50f so lol

[limpid coral]

no like that red dot up in the middle of the kb

[past salmon]

😭

[bleak night]

The Circe one I just uploaded has 8

[past salmon]

wait
wtf is that
What is its purpose

[bleak night]

A win is a win idc

[limpid coral]

you can push it in a direction to make the cursor go that way

[bleak night]

I have never seen this before

[limpid coral]

it's.. not very precise

[past salmon]

why does it exist

[limpid coral]

marketing idk

it's like a really weird mouse

[bleak night]

I'd use it for a meme run if I had one

Btw Foolish have you tried the glitched out Island Getaway thing ?

It makes enemies move and attack 3x faster

[past salmon]

oh wot lol

thats funny
why tf it do that
Whats the interaction
Is it just the boon itself?

[bleak night]

Unsure, honestly. It works with Glamour Gain. Roy was talking to me about it and there was a clip on reddit. Lemme find

[bleak night]

Nvm the bug is Nervous Wreck https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1drp5ta/nervous_wreck_bug/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[past salmon]

oh

[limpid coral]

touhou

[past salmon]

damn
Time to play on 999 Fear @bleak night

[limpid coral]

"Nah I'd block"

[past salmon]

Vow of Fury 30 be like

simply get hestia sprint imo imo

[bleak night]

I'd actually be down to try this for fun

I have a feeling Fury 2 alone and it'll be awful already, 6 fear hell mode

[limpid coral]

what will hole hearts do

[past salmon]

I imagine it will be murder in some sort of fashion

[limpid coral]

(does hestia sprint work on their projectiles before they land?)

[bleak night]

Should I send the .zip for my thumbnails btw ?

The templates are pretty easy to work with

[past salmon]

yeah sur
would appreciate

[bleak night]

I just did them with Paint since I don't have Photoshop on this laptop, so no real expertise required

[plain fossil]

man i just got 3 unwinnable chaos trials while out of rerolls

damage on special, damage on omega and mana prime while playing momus

this is why u dont play mana builds i swear the game has it in for u sometimes

[limpid coral]

u just take damage on special and cry a little right

[plain fossil]

i just died and cried a little it seemed more efficient

[limpid coral]

hm would old momus out heal it

[plain fossil]

i guess it would have lul but if i was playing old momus id just click damage on omega

[bleak night]

I just think Momus rn is best if you have Blitz on Attack or Special

that way it reapplies after each orb echo

I kinda played Momus, but I was mostly attacking instead of using Omegas

[plain fossil]

generally i agree with this but it really depends on ur starting boon and setup

[bleak night]

That's fair, yeah. Have you tried Storm Ring start? I know Engagement Ring is the new hotness, but new Storm Ring is actually really good

I did a Mel Staff run with Storm Ring and Scorch, could easily do it with Momus

[pastel elm]

how do you guys feel about zeus gain? im om the fence. on paper it seems nice but it briefly makes you unable to move and its not always easy to reach the yellow orb mid fight especially with revs.

[plain fossil]

ive been switching between unseen (which u can only really play with special momus as the regen is slow) and origination wheel (which is rng god but lets u spam both attack and special till u get a proper gain)

[bleak night]

It's kinda annoying because it interrupts the flow of combat

[plain fossil]

i dont like zeus gain ive already got enough revenants in my zones

[bleak night]

I'd rather you pick it up by dashing through it or something, since it's a Rift

[plain fossil]

i'll click it if i have to but i dont ever enjoy it

[bleak night]

dash or sprint to pick up would be interesting since you can walk around it and it won't activate yet

[plain fossil]

also u can get gigatrolled if it spawns on top of another interactable

[dull ferry]

this could be a good suggestion to post on feedback channel

[bleak night]

I think they had an idea with Ionic Gain is all

[plain fossil]

i did, i didnt like it at 45 because it only hits one target but i bet it wrecks face when u dont have to click miserable fears

[bleak night]

Storm Ring cast down to protect you while you grab it

[bleak night]

I tried it on 50 if you wanna see the vid

[plain fossil]

sure

scorch doing some hard carrying i suspect

[bleak night]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QImcwUp4vQ

[bleak night]

oddly enough, no. Cast did 4x the damage Scorch did

[bleak night]

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[pastel elm]

mel stick and ignore omegas. classic. ive been doing the same

[bleak night]

I used Omega Cast a fair bit

[plain fossil]

ya thats because scorch knocks off blue shields lul

[bleak night]

besides that, yeah. I barely used Omega Attack and Special

[bleak night]

I mean it rapid fires, what actually carried me tbh was Lethal Snare

[plain fossil]

thats the big problem with storm ring i find u need something on top otherwise blue shields just ruin ur day

[bleak night]

You can just attack the things inside the cast, no ?

[plain fossil]

because it takes a ton of hits to kill 1 mob

yea sure but if i wanted to spam attack everything id play manaless staff like that run

or largely manaless, im not trying to make manaless staff work i alrdy know its better

[bleak night]

Fair, that's the main issue with staff rn tbh

Special got turbo gutted because of old Momus, so now you kinda don't wanna use it unless you have Blitz, Freeze or Blast on it

I tried Scorch Special and it just wasn't any good

[plain fossil]

like it happened at least 3 times where i hit things with mirrored thrasher and im like this is better than what im doing even tho ive got no investment into it then i get mad and alt f4

[bleak night]

Relatable, yeah. That or Wicked Thrasher

[plain fossil]

i tried this too, poseidon special is weak but playable

[bleak night]

I just get really happy if I find Mirrored or Wicked Thrasher

[plain fossil]

scorch special has no coverage so its useless

[bleak night]

Rapid Thrasher and Distant Wallop are also really good

[plain fossil]

yea they are

but u want one of the two DD hammers

i should just stop trying to make mana momus work its driving me insane

at least its better than circe that aspect is actually unplayable as written

[bleak night]

Yeah, trying to make it work will eat up your sanity honestly

You can honestly do it more easily with Circe

Spam attacks, then unleash an empowered something once and go back to spamming attack

[pastel elm]

im surprised how much mana builds underperform now. with gain reworks and the addition of bloodline and splash spout (2 flat damage sources to incentivize omega builds) itd seem theyd be awesome. but even those two feel lackluster. i think they proc after a slight delay

[bleak night]

Charon and Persephone are pretty good rn with Moros having some success as well. Mana builds have definitely become a lil harder to sustain (except for Charon), but they're still there ig. As for Blood Line, yeah it's a bit rough.

[plain fossil]

charon and moros are both mana builds yea i think theyre the two most consistent builds at high fear? feels like it to me anyway

blood line is asscrack ngl

that video with it proccing every hit on mel torches is funny but it barely even did anything for how much mana it cost

[bleak night]

Blood Line is a bit rough to use, I think it uses too much mana for it

[pastel elm]

when i first read the boon, i thought i was the nuts lol

[last cape]

I really am not a fan of charon from using it

[bleak night]

How come ?

I wasn't too into it as well before, but I found the extra mechanics on it to be really nice

[last cape]

It feels too hamstrung into Apollo to me right now

[bleak night]

You can still run Born Gain, I was able to make it work

[last cape]

And it's such a specific combo when the reworks to the other weapons seemed to be moving towards flexible kits

[bleak night]

But, yeah

Born Gain and Lucid Gain are the only ones that work rn on it

Tranquil can kinda work if the rarity is Epic or Heroic

[last cape]

It just feels very limiting compared to other weapons, like I'm going for one build every time, and I don't like weapons like that

[bleak night]

The build on Charon is actually pretty flexible outside of the Gain

I find that all 8 gods have usable boons on it, based on my testing

[last cape]

I'm optimistic about tranquil, I like it with the amount of down time in boss fights

[bleak night]

Poseidon's is kinda just 2, but the other 7 are great on Charon to varying degrees

Only real thing you want is Origination. You can manage without a Special for the most part

[plain fossil]

poseidon is water squigglies so its automatically always playable

[last cape]

I think it's mostly the playstyle for me. The damage and area are huge but you're just doing the same thing the whole run lol

I have more fun with Mel and Than on the axe

[bleak night]

It depends, I find. What I like to do on Charon is split my damage between enemies since the cast will usually kill things

I have a run up if you wanna see how I play, if anything

[last cape]

I mean I know how to work with it, I've won on decent heat levels with it, I just think it feels a bit incongruous with other weapons now due to emphasizing a specific combo so hard, plus the axe special feels a bit clunky to me still

Also it feels bad to me to take anything starting that isn't Apollo keepsake since Apollo has so much synergy with it and that makes the runs feel more samey

[bleak night]

Omega Special has two mechanics on it that I feel people aren't utilizing too much

[last cape]

Yeah? I know you can dash with it and I've been trying to incorporate that more

[bleak night]

You can also dash at the very end of the charge as the blast goes so you can dodge last second. It's a lil harder and I keep getting hit as it happens

It has iframes from start to finish and it lags your screen for some reason

I can get a vid of it in a lil bit

[last cape]

Yeah, that can feel hard to use since I find I'm forced to omega special in the direction of my dash

[bleak night]

Timing seems tight, and when I practice it, it only happens maybe once in 5 tries

[last cape]

I've definitely dodged stuff with it though

And it's cool tech for making the move less committal

[bleak night]

I think Bis' Charon build still works if you wanna have fun with it

Local Climate + Storm Ring since Charon casts last twice as long

You don't touch Omega Special at all. Blitz on special for tapping, Aphro or Hera attack

[last cape]

Oh that's really cool

But why charon for that build?

[bleak night]

I tried Storm Ring this patch and it's still quite good, give it a go

[last cape]

Yeah for some reason I never thought of local climate with storm ring, in fact I really didn't use storm ring much pre patch

[bleak night]

Cast lasts twice as long with the aspect specifically. With Local Climate, it becomes an an aura around you that lasts 5 sec

[last cape]

Ahhh right forgot about that

[bleak night]

It's neat, give it a go

[last cape]

That's really cool. How much are you hurt by not getting the local climate?

[bleak night]

Basically Melee Axe with an aura

[bleak night]

A fair bit since you need that to follow you underfoot

[last cape]

Gotcha. I tend to use my cast very defensively so I tend to avoid that boon

[bleak night]

You can make do without and get Lightning Lance, too. Walk up to enemies inside it and spam Special for Blitz tagging

[last cape]

How are you with blocking things with the special btw? I've been trying to incorporate that more with all the aspects

[bleak night]

I tend to watch windups or just incorporate it into melee combos. It's kinda hard to explain so you might need to watch someone play and see how they block

[tender anvil]

Does the Blades "straight line" special hammer interact properly with hook knives?

[bleak night]

A good thing to note is that when you Big Chop, every stage of it except the part where you bring the Axe down for damage is cancellable with a Special

[last cape]

I know you can cancel into it after each attack in the combo

Didn't know chop did that though

[bleak night]

It's very useful since it's so committal

[bleak night]

I think so, I never had both together

[last cape]

It started to click for me when I started thinking of it like a dead cells parry

Though the hitbox really throws me

[tender anvil]

Think it might be good for Meli blades, especially with Engagement Ring

[bleak night]

To be fair everything rn is good with that Cast lol

[last cape]

Engagement ring my beloved

[tender anvil]

As I've noticed Charon can sometimes obliterate enemies via just the Ring

[bleak night]

Hitch overkill transfers damage now

[tender anvil]

so overkill damage maybe is transfered as well

[last cape]

Yeah hitch is so much better in general

[bleak night]

Hera seems to have something busted every patch

[last cape]

Born gain is still cracked

[plain fossil]

Cracked is a strong word

[limpid coral]

what were they cooking when they made overkill damage count for hitch
i strongly suspect that will not happen next patch

[last cape]

You just need a decent rarity or a couple poms and centaur and it's the funny infinite magic bar again

[plain fossil]

Its still useable certainly

[limpid coral]

bonking a small enemy and instantly killing every other small enemy is a little silly

[last cape]

I think it just takes a bit longer to come online, since you want a decent amount of max magic to support it

But like even 120 with a common born is enough for most of the game besides chronos

[dull ferry]

If you mean Sureshot Flurry, yes it works, had both hammers in a run yesterday

[tender anvil]

I just love what engagement ring does to Hecate's add phases, hate that boss with a passion

[tender anvil]

Thanks for confirming!

[last cape]

Can't wait for extreme measures hecate

[limpid coral]

they still get blue hearts maaan

[last cape]

That'll be wild

[tender anvil]

It's still possible to kill all of them by overkilling one

[limpid coral]

it goes like ring hits once, you kill one and that hits a second time, and then u bonk em all?

[tender anvil]

I need to do more testing to confirm step-by-step properly, but I'm sure I got it working with Charon.

it's a bit strange atm, as hitching to the ring is not simultaneous, so each subsequent enemy transfers some damage to the ones already hitched

[oblique crater]

wait this sounds AWESOME

[limpid coral]

cause u need to hit once without killing to get the second hit on all of them, Id think-oh wait that's crazy

[tender anvil]

not 100% sure of that, so correct me if I'm wrong

[limpid coral]

hm but the hit from the ring itself is always to one blue heart no?

[tender anvil]

I definitely had cases of the little fishes spawning and immediately killing themselves just off the ring

[limpid coral]

huh

maybe a hit to blue hearts actually does knock off other hitched enemies' blue hearts

[tender anvil]

seems like it to me

[limpid coral]

and it applies hitch before dealing damage right?

[bleak night]

Yeah, it's a fun spin on Charon if you're tired of blowing up your cast

[tender anvil]

apparently so. If it was damage first, hitch second, no damage would be transfered. But more testing is definitely needed

[limpid coral]

yeup

in that case the naive interpretation is that ring just clears most of hecates adds right away

even through 2 blue hearts

[tender anvil]

think first wave is too few adds, but maybe it depends on boon level/rarity

[limpid coral]

cause there are like 4 and then 7 right

4 then 8*

[surreal hazel]

So I just experienced Than axe level 6, finally

+45% speed is.... is quite something compared to +30%

I had rapid slash and that 300 power thing, and the game turned into whacamole

[bleak night]

Bruh I just tried a normal 32F Pan run and died

I must be really bad at it if I had to Scorch Engagement Ring to 50 clear

[plain fossil]

32f is where pan starts falling off imo

When u click damage vows basically

[bleak night]

Yeah idk how I won with this on 50

[cunning pollen]

Just yesterday I had Than + Epic Nimble Limbs + Midnight Oil (+25% Weapon Speed when you Hex is full) + 30% Attack Speed Hammer + the one where your third strike hits twice. +110% Attack Speed and animation cancelling the third hit by tapping a cast immediately before it while dashing one way and hitting the other. It was faster than the Blades' final combo strike and did 1200 a pop. It'll probably never happen again lol

[drifting skiff]

how do you get a lvl 6 weapon?

[cunning pollen]

It's more a lvl 8, actually

it's Heph's Legendary Boon, it raises the level of weapon aspects, but after the latest patch, it's more like 3 levels' worth of upgrades

[drifting skiff]

oooohhh cool!

[cunning pollen]

it's sort of memey, since it doesn't really sinergize with anything in his selection of boons, but it's very thematic and I think it's cool, too

[tall notch]

I think Pan is completely fine until like 40f, just click poseidon and don't get hit

[magic moss]

pan up to 32F is where you arent completely gated by hammers, anything above and you need hammers to succeed

[bleak night]

True. You kinda need Hook Knives at least

[magic moss]

if you want to play pan the aspect, then i think 47F could technically be possible with dancing knives but with onion pan is just far too mana hungry to actually fully utilize its kit without dying to time

[bleak night]

Could definitely manage without hook knives if you go Engagement Ring

btw I find that Zeus is just god tier on Staff

[magic moss]

but then you arent playing pan the aspect

[bleak night]

You still kinda are, since having more daggers fanned out means more hitch damage

[magic moss]

maybe yeah idk i just dont see anything above 40F being possible without considerably more focus on atks than specials

[bleak night]

Hook Knives solves that problem mostly, but yeah, it's one hammer out of 12

[magic moss]

i think runs are possible with hook or dancing

spiral is good as a secondary but not as the first

[bleak night]

having a hard time imagining atm, but maybe Foolish will have a go at it since he wants to 50F all aspects

idk if I wanna do that since I'm not that fond of Torches, nor am I good at them

[magic moss]

you got this i believe

[bleak night]

I'll need to learn from scratch is the thing

I mean I did with Blades, Staff and Medea, so maybe

[magic moss]

fair enough it is pretty difficult but you did medea so moros is very much possible

[bleak night]

@tall notch lol alr I'll do Eos first

[magic moss]

and mf coldshade here preaching the good news of eos

[bleak night]

If you watched my Medea vid, you'll see that I kinda just facetanked everything

I had strength + Colossus + Weak + Trusty Shield

so Chronos hits that should've been doing 50s were doing like 17-20 lol

[magic moss]

absolute psycho for that btw

[bleak night]

I wanted out of that aspect

I died to Chronos 5x before that give or take

[magic moss]

fair enough

[bleak night]

The issue with that thing is I dash so much with special that I keep using it to dodge, and it has no iframes

so Chronos kept scythe slashing me

[magic moss]

yeah i figured this out during my staff learning time

[bleak night]

I needed Static Shock for all my wins

[magic moss]

love that

[bleak night]

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[limpid coral]

hard to see a weird dash as not-a-dash

[magic moss]

thats the one thing i dont like about medea

[bleak night]

for Momus I did Waves + Static Shock + Hitch Ring
for Circe I had Scorch + Blitz + Static Shock + Hitch Ring
for Mel I had Scorch + Blast + Static Shock + Storm Ring

[magic moss]

the aspect is super fun to play low fears but god awful high fears

[bleak night]

I only stopped using Engagement Ring because I wanted a win without it for once

and for some reason that one came the easiest lol

[magic moss]

lmfaoo yeah storm ring is super underrated on staff

[bleak night]

I haven't used CG/Frosty Veneer once this patch

I went for it with Mel Blades, but yeah I didn't get it

[magic moss]

rough

with perfect rng pos dem zeus aphro seems like the best build for staff

with hera hestia zeus close second

[bleak night]

I'd swap Pos for Hestia since the Hestia-Aphro duo that doesn't let scorch expire with Weak

works with Freezer Burn, so you can just keep popping that Scorch you have on there

if it's 1k Scorch, each Freeze hit you do is 2000

it's busted, sure, but not the most realistic to get

[surreal hazel]

That's not how attack speed stacks btw

[magic moss]

its why i think pos is marginally better because double infusion is easier to get consistently than double duo

[bleak night]

That's fair, but you did say perfect rng

[magic moss]

fair enough

ive grown so fond of thr staff its crazy st how it was once my most hated weapon lmfao

[bleak night]

Yeah, I think it's pretty fun now

[timber pawn]

Most things in this game are additive so that is probably how it works

[bleak night]

the weapon itself is great, the aspects I don't really find all that unique

it's the opposite of the Blades for me; the base weapon kit is what I like, but the aspects don't make me feel any different

[surreal hazel]

Yeah but they're bad at saying what attack speed means

+30% attack speed means multiply the function time by 0.7

[magic moss]

i really dont like the omega moves but other than that yeah base kit is just so fun to use for some reason

[bleak night]

I've come to enjoy Blitz Special on Momus since it reapplies it for you when you pop it between that 1.5 sec

[surreal hazel]

And multiple attack speed bonuses multply that way. So what they described would be 0.7 x 0.75 x 0.8 x 0.7

[magic moss]

i rarely pick up special boons but ill give it a try later

rn just hard focusing on improving on torches and then moving onto charon

wanna 50F every weapon first

[surreal hazel]

Which is 0.294 compared to base axe speed, so over three times faster

[bleak night]

I started using Staff special like I do with Axe when it comes to boon choices; I put something useful on it that doesn't rely on damage boosts

I put Blitz and Blast on Staff Special in my runs and they've become a really good secondary tool

[cunning pollen]

Well, even better then I guess... hah

[bronze bear]

that sounds insane what? so rapid thrasher's +50% attack speed would actually be a 100% dps increase? that doesn't seem right

[surreal hazel]

Compared to a real idea of +110%, yes

[timber pawn]

Oh interesting, did you pull that out of the code?

[surreal hazel]

Yep. It is,

[bleak night]

Give high fear Staff a try, it's really fun

[surreal hazel]

Mirrored thrasher also doubles up your dps too