h2-builds-and-combat

[hollow briar]

True lol, I’d be 100% down for Mirrored to get outright removed or turned into only activating two hits every other Attack

[silent crow]

pretty much all the good hammers need to be toned down

[hollow briar]

Because as awesome as it is to get a run going with it, it’s just literally too good to not have at higher Fear to be a solid run

I dunno. It’s a weird case for me because I’m also still not a 50F gamer and I think I’m probably not gonna be

[silent crow]

its like the spear from hades 1

you didnt get flurry jab mirrored thraser? reset

[hollow briar]

Ah, yeah, that one was quite the mess

[silent crow]

even the funny builds u can do on staff

[magic moss]

oh for staff

[silent crow]

likr omega special spam, if u dont get dual moonshot reset time!!

[magic moss]

im ngl i dont think staff hammers are a must reset for

[civic ocean]

there's a few goodies right

[magic moss]

like they’re crazy powerful but not a if no hammer then cant win type level

[silent crow]

didnt u invent a build whos synopsis is "staff sucks so bad use storm ring as a crutch"

[plain fossil]

I havent seen a staff clear at 40+ without at least one double damage hammer that uses the actual weapon rather than a cast, counting giga moonburst as double damage

[civic ocean]

starting to get the hang of the triggers for dash and cast and hooooooo boy I am shmooving now

[plain fossil]

And 40+ isnt that high this patch so

[civic ocean]

I do think the best way to play staff atm is just to take advantage of the crazy good attack combo

[plain fossil]

Also counting wicked thrasher as double damage

[magic moss]

technically actually the staff itself is good, the main point of storm ring is to deal with guardians

[plain fossil]

Ye it is

[civic ocean]

dont think u like need mirrored thrasher but it certainly is incredibly good

[magic moss]

absolutely mirrored thrasher is 100% not needed

[plain fossil]

Without either mirrored or wicked thrasher ur going to struggle

[magic moss]

and if anything im ngl i personally dont like mirrored thrasher, makes the screen way to cluttered especially with pos atk

[silent crow]

idk thr disparity between getting good hammers and not is still kinda silly

[plain fossil]

Wicked is also a double damage hammer

[magic moss]

ive lost like 7 runs to mirrored thrasher pos atk blocking projectiles from view

[plain fossil]

That is certainly a take, feel free to send em my way

[silent crow]

thats fair

i got clipped for 72 bc an enemy was hiding behind zeus' magic regen

[plain fossil]

That thing is a bit more eyecancer than poseidon staff lul

It literally has 0 transparency and its bigger than some mobs also permanent until clicked

[magic moss]

staff has surprisingly a consistent erebus clear after a lot of practie

well

[silent crow]

the difference between 47 and 50 fear is crazy im never gonna be on that level

[plain fossil]

Zeus gain is probably the lowest qol thing in the game rn other than the middle flurry of blades attack

[silent crow]

i just hateee onion so much

[magic moss]

consistency is like a huge overstatement bevcause its like 60% erebus clear rate from my playthrough clearing momus 50

[silent crow]

i still rank it quite high as an actual magic regen boon

[plain fossil]

Ha im taking onion at 48 i prefer it to dealing with either revenants or rebuke depending on weapon

[silent crow]

most magic regen still sucks

[plain fossil]

Its gotten me killed in really frustrating ways multiple times ngl

I dont even click it on momus and would think thats the one aspect u would want it on

It uses a ton of mana and can move to the ball reasonably well

[silent crow]

theres like 6 usable ones and then that gets stripped down to around 1-3 depending on aspect

[silent crow]

what do you click on momus hestia

[magic moss]

not really imo

[silent crow]

born gain even god forbid

[plain fossil]

Hestia and poseidon both okay

[magic moss]

well i am talking with the perspective of 50F so ignore me

[plain fossil]

Born gain u run oom

[pine wind]

@violet temple Oh, Infusions would be one other cool thing to have in the builder

[magic moss]

yes when it gets close to you dash back and forth left and right or just let frinos tank it

[cyan meadow]

In general which weapon do you like best with Hitch? I like it for Axe personally

[silent crow]

qll of them apparently

[plain fossil]

Its good on every weapon

[magic moss]

as of right now hitch is the best curse effect in the game for high fears

[violet temple]

infusions are with their respective gods, pink outline

[cyan meadow]

It does seem a lot easier to apply too, new Engagement Ring has been pretty fun the couple times I picked it up

[plain fossil]

New engagement ring is my early pick for best single boon in the game this patch

[cyan meadow]

Usability aside it's hilarious on Scylla's fish summoning frenzy, but then again it always was lol

[stone karma]

slight spoiler cuz it is the first boss ||is hecate's polymorph dodgeable? i try dodging around it and it feels like it gets faster the longer it exists, i can only ever last what feels like 10 seconds even with hermes's projectile slowing boon and like sometimes it has a turn radius and others it can just turn around immediately||

[plain fossil]

Well what it does this patch that it didnt do last patch is blow up every other mob in the room when the fish spawn if ur not running blue shields

[past salmon]

no need to spoiler anything in this channel
Yes its dodgeable, dash through it 5-6 times

[plain fossil]

Also it doesnt last 57 years so u can reposition it now

[weak cosmos]

Yes. If you have the anmial familiars, one of them can block it and you can dodge through it (you need to do it like 5 times)

[cyan meadow]

You can also also use the resurrection Hex and make a witch block it...I did that on accident lol

[pine wind]

ah, I missed that, thanks!

[stone karma]

5 times seems excessive but i guess thems the rules. soft @ foolish fuggles and honey thank you for the insight

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1256817603444478046/image.png?ex=6682261b&is=6680d49b&hm=e88237c9f5e4ae6f0a6b2ef2bdaf4265e5a9c35d388b94f81f2831fc1584d375& repeat after me NOT EVEN CLOSE

[past salmon]

okay umm
Cerb doest have any queue at all to where he is gonna pop up after burrowing does he?

that felt kinda bull
since he loves just going edgemap
there was no way for me to make it there in time
that needs like
something
idk

[plain fossil]

Other than the enormous telegraph, no

[past salmon]

I mean that happens after he pops up?

Like it doesnt matter if I'm on the other side of the world from him

[plain fossil]

When he burrows u get the huge expanding telegraph and then he pops up and starts doing things

[silent crow]

no he doesnt u can get owned like that lol

[plain fossil]

Are we talking about the same thing here

[silent crow]

hes talking abr the move where the screen goes red except in a circle near cerb

[plain fossil]

Where he burrows down, pops up several seconds later and then u have to get on top of him before u get blown up

[past salmon]

yeh

[silent crow]

ya u can js die to that now if u get unlucky

[plain fossil]

Yea i know that but the popup before the get-close move is quite telegraphed right

[silent crow]

kind of?

[tired fulcrum]

I mean he goes off screen pretty often

[past salmon]

I mean
If he pops up off screen on the other side of the world
You just cant make it
lol

[silent crow]

good bossfight

cerb is still a pathetic boss that sits there and dies most of the time evn after the buffs? i think he got buffed but idk

[timber pawn]

He definitely moves a bit more in p2

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1256821057273200812/20240630135759_1.jpg?ex=66822952&is=6680d7d2&hm=70b3e582e574e68737db5efe006f7234440d4e80beab96072cbc0fd51345bdd5&
that was uhhhh
Close
lol

shoutouts to not getting an attack boon until Chronos shop
Thanks game

[civic ocean]

does the blood work

[past salmon]

no lol

[civic ocean]

Hope still does

[past salmon]

I chucked chaos keepsake on for fields for funnies and got punished

[magic moss]

i want to clear eos 50F but god moros is tempting me every run

[cyan meadow]

Opinions on the biggest trap fears? No arcana aside lol

[tired fulcrum]

Onion and revs

[magic moss]

^

[bronze bear]

I think wandering is harder than revs

[tired fulcrum]

Also dc hearts ig

[past salmon]

Do not fall into the trap of adding commotion/revs/onion in favour of not taking timer lmao

[bronze bear]

because hippo and shellback

[past salmon]

Average 50F player malding at hippos

[tired fulcrum]

ngl kinda true

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1256821486178668564/Im_going_to_lose_it.mp4?ex=668229b8&is=6680d838&hm=a4a5cdca9da41cc8f1d758140c23c6a3700722f2404291311c492a96274f5f11& i am genuinely going to lose it

[tired fulcrum]

All my homies hate hippos

[magic moss]

holy hell i want to die

[tired fulcrum]

It me or is cerbs big slam just randomly way faster sometimes

[past salmon]

just win instead imo

[cyan meadow]

I don't mind rev with Artimis Daggers(My fave) but yes, onion was horrible when I tried it a couple times lol

[narrow bramble]

do you guys put on experiementa hammer (when using it) before oceanus or before fields? i never actually know whether i can take it earlier than fields and make it all the way to the chronos fight

[magic moss]

i just reset im not dealing with this sht

[timber pawn]

You and mynt just going back and forth at 50 now lol

[bronze bear]

he is faster this patch than last at least

[past salmon]

bro ur in tart basically 😭

[past salmon]

I'm spamming moros 50F as practice for 55F lol

[timber pawn]

Ah okay

[magic moss]

i lost another dd to cerb to another bs hitbox im just too tilted to keep the run going

[past salmon]

I have like a 60% winrate or smth crazy atm @timber pawn

[tired fulcrum]

Play h1 50 heat, its funner

[past salmon]

Also Moros is kinda just busted

[bronze bear]

cerb was a cakewalk last patch, at least this patch he's harder than scylla

[tired fulcrum]

When do they fix frinos trolling you when cerb shoots fireballs

[past salmon]

true and real

[weak cosmos]

Yeah the guy who was talking about aphro legendary doing something weird (like a new curse) like 30 minutes ago was wrong. it is just vent

[plain fossil]

Tbf for many ppl vent is something weird and a new curse

[weak cosmos]

interestingly i am not seeing it apply cyclone, marked, or charm

[timber pawn]

Tbh I figured it would just apply base curses, so that doesn't surprise me a whole lot

[timber pawn]

That's ridiculous

[tired fulcrum]

Aphro legendary applies steam when

[past salmon]

I

Have also had some really awful terrible no good miserable runs that die in fields/tart

[magic moss]

whats moros build?

[weak cosmos]

yeah its slip hitch freeze blitz vent scorch daze and always weak (bc of how it works)

[bronze bear]

I once saw spiteful strength moros but that was last patch

maybe it can still work with engagement ring + heph

[past salmon]

I did spiteful strength for my first 50F win

[bronze bear]

I'm not sure if born gain is enough magick this patch for moros

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1256821057273200812/20240630135759_1.jpg?ex=66822952&is=6680d7d2&hm=70b3e582e574e68737db5efe006f7234440d4e80beab96072cbc0fd51345bdd5&
It worked in this run and I primed a lot

like strike/trusty alone was priming half my bar

[weak cosmos]

you think with all of these 50 fears someone would have gone to 51 53 or 55 by now...

[past salmon]

Mynt did 52 and I got a tart entry on 55 this morning so

[magic moss]

is it hera start special > gain?

[past salmon]

I do wheel in erebus for consistent Erebus exits

[tired fulcrum]

I mean no arcana means no dds or lovers or huntress or artificer which is kinda bouldy. Also no timeslow for moros which removes a lot of safety and no swift runner which prob screws with your timing

[magic moss]

whats ur arcana page?

[past salmon]

Hera Special isnt even optimal you would prefer attack I just never got it offered

[past salmon]

oh its rlly goofy cuz I've been experimenting with different setups lol

[magic moss]

ship it

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1256825447933804667/image.png?ex=66822d69&is=6680dbe9&hm=ac4a90a9ce92fa6ae756b8b5ca9a6cc0972445ffffc4afcee4aa103ce437d03d&

You definitely actually want Huntress btw
lmao

[plain fossil]

Strength card?

[timber pawn]

Didn't mynt post a 55 chronos death too? Am I remembering wrong

[past salmon]

yeh
They aren't trying for it anymore tho

[timber pawn]

Don't blame them

[plain fossil]

Also ye on born gain moros not clicking huntress is definitely a choice

[past salmon]

Like I said, I'm experimenting 😭

[magic moss]

so no unseen and just pray for gain boon?

[plain fossil]

Im not bashing it im just surprised

[past salmon]

yeh I just run wheel in Erebus and pray for Gain
I didnt get gain till halfway through Oceanus on that one tho

[plain fossil]

I dont like unseen on moros it uses too much mana to be a longterm solution and its very expensive as a stopgap

[past salmon]

I really want Boatman tbh but its so hard to fit in
Regardless none of this matters for 55F

[plain fossil]

Man why is the psyche minor find reward so bad lul

3 max mana thanks sgg

[past salmon]

yeh it should be 5

[bronze bear]

unseen feels horrible on moros, doesnt charge while omegaing

[plain fossil]

Ye for me its either hestia hera or poseidon

[plain fossil]

I find myself not clicking artificer if its solo choice bones rn

Not like ur gonna miss out on opportunities to use it

And i potato enough that the 5 armour is quite ok

[stoic ridge]

I just got a build to do 460 damage every zeus cast hit

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1256833558572437574/20240630144740_1.jpg?ex=668234f7&is=6680e377&hm=5690b26cc94eec84074c762710d1864580854f3a50c45387eda6ef23d93a8d20&
Honestly kinda crazy how broken this weapon is atm

[stone karma]

i'm using the moonstone axe and got hermes's mean streak boon, and i went into oceanus and fought some pinheads the little minnow guys i ended up with a +75% attack, absolutely overkill but i thought it was kinda funny

[past salmon]

also shoutouts heartbreakers doing over 50k damage
Thats kinda insane

also thats 2 50Fs in a row lmao
Do I do a random skull run for chance at 50F 3 weapons streak
That would be hype

[hollow briar]

Haunting just feels worse and worse the more I’m forcing myself to play with it

Might genuinely be my least favorite Vow aside from the obvious one

[hollow briar]

Persephone

[past salmon]

yeh gonna give it a shot lol

I dont have the highest hopes tho

[timber pawn]

Ya heart throbs are uh, pretty good

[past salmon]

yeh im defs not getting the 3fer I think
RNG is not RNGing

yeah died to timer on Hecate
Zeus refused to give me storm ring

and got no special boon
Oh well

[timber pawn]

Rip

[hollow briar]

Sting's still viable with Rebuke???

[magic moss]

SINCE WHEN COULD THE ELDER LAMIA RUN AWAY

[hollow briar]

That's interesting, I just automatically assume a ton of things for basically every Aspect foes out the window with Rebuke

[civic ocean]

yeah bro high tailed it on me

I was shook

[hollow briar]

Since launch; you get too close for too long and it zips around

[magic moss]

HUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I JUST LOST A DD TO PIN BECAUSE THE THING RAN AWAY SINCE WHEN???????????????????????????

[hollow briar]

Launch

[civic ocean]

I don't really remember it ever running away before yeah

[past salmon]

most annoying boss now yeh lmao

honestly I put on pin in fields just to destroy the minibosses 💀

[hollow briar]

...Did they up the chance for it to do it?

[bronze bear]

what are lamias?

[civic ocean]

Lightning snakes

[bronze bear]

though I swear ever since the patch it's like field mobs are playing hide and seek with me

[past salmon]

god please let me win this run it would so fking funny

I am running Big Chop mel Axe
And im in fields
wtf is happening lmao

[pine wind]

@violet temple one suggestion for the builder - a link/share option

[bronze bear]

big chop op

[civic ocean]

I maybe have some tech for the staff but idk if its real

Maybe someone else has come up with better

Or maybe its not even optimal idk

[violet temple]

ye I'm planning to make an import/export thing, can't really do links due to how the website is set up so it'll basically be a string of text

[civic ocean]

If you go atk-atk-special-dash in succession on the staff you never do the third hit of the staff combo

Does anyone have any other ways they avoid using the third hit of the staff combo

[violet temple]

attack twice and then die 👍

[civic ocean]

Based

[reef stratus]

Is cherished heirloom useless if my keepsake is maxed?

feels like a very underwhelming duo unless im understanding it wrong

[violet temple]

there's another tier for most keepsakes

[civic ocean]

No, it unlocks your keepsakes Ultra Instinct

[reef stratus]

like a tier 4?

[civic ocean]

There's a level beyond the max

Same for Heph and aspects if thats still a thing idk

[past salmon]

????
I'm entering tart on a big chop run

[bleak night]

Nice

[past salmon]

I have no DDs tho
Echo scammed

[plain fossil]

Actual giga cleaver?

[reef stratus]

I kinda wish it would show it, cuz my discordance bell still looks like its lvl 3 rather than the so called lvl 4

[bleak night]

I'll try some Pers runs and see how it goes, might take a while to get it down

[plain fossil]

Ur going to lose to timer surely

[past salmon]

bro when my best echo option is fight we have a problem

[violet temple]

discordant bell might be one of the ones that doesn't have a t4

[plain fossil]

I only clicked that for the prophecy how did u hit 2 things worse

[reef stratus]

is there a way to see what has a tier 4 and what doesn't

[past salmon]

Reward was like
A Pom
And then boon boon boon

[plain fossil]

I guess boon boon boon is worse if u did something else last run?

[reef stratus]

cuz i just got scammed by the duo

[civic ocean]

Did u get the rare echo before miniboss

[violet temple]

I look at the wiki to see if there's a 4th tier

[reef stratus]

alright

[violet temple]

god keepsakes don't benefit from it also

[reef stratus]

yeah i thought so, but damn I got scammed pretty hard

[past salmon]

miniboss was an onion

[plain fossil]

Does echo not echo onions

Also real plan now click staff go fields get hammer room 1 get onion from miniboss get boon boon boon from echo

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1256847729758572625/image.png?ex=66824229&is=6680f0a9&hm=497afe6bb7312be450ce0ae1957f7fa2a8add1fa72607709bb87585e23768464& GOD FCKING DAMN IT MAN

MANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN I THREW THAT RUN SO HARD

IM ACTUALLY SO MAD AT MYSELF

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

im actually so mad at myself i completely forgot that onion existed and went for a side room at tartarus when i had like 2:30 left on the clock to roll for fitness and blew like 20 seconds there

i took 90 from overtime that i would have saved

this run was easily won but i threw it im so unbelievably mad at myself right now

[past salmon]

Just never take siderooms 💀

[magic moss]

like genuinely idk what i was thinking i just saw poseidon side room and my brain went ooooooooooooo fitness chance

[bronze bear]

but fitness isn't even good at 50F, it's like 1 hit

[magic moss]

i had veneer

would've been a guaranteed clear

naisuuuuu

[tough pasture]

i just learned that aphrodite special on aspect of pan for knives does a heart...that's so cool.

[past salmon]

awesome

[tough pasture]

what is this from?

[magic moss]

i am never recovering from that throw

i can create one rq if u want

[plain fossil]

Its dependent on ur setup

The default manaless setup is just mirrored - wicked - faster attacks - everything else

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1247782897457303562/1256857095307923536/20240630162105_1.jpg?ex=66824ae2&is=6680f962&hm=5f066cd2458a4b73eaa9556e71eecf28da54cec4f7e972c223e650484e6497cd&
how the actual fck did a big chop run get this far

[plain fossil]

Hestia cast is clever

[hollow briar]

Even without Bitterness, I feel too bad giving up either a bit of my Lion Fang bonus or losing time in general

[plain fossil]

It wouldnt last long enough in beta

U do all this work making guides and prio lists and then next patch sgg flips it upside down

[magic moss]

accounting for general use case across every aspect and fears and mana/manaless

[plain fossil]

Cross cataclysm has targeting issues i try not to pick it

[magic moss]

you just play cross like normal but with 50% more damage and an added bonus

[plain fossil]

Vampiric is excellent at high fear it gives u much more leeway to do dumb things

[plain fossil]

Cross has targeting issues if u do this

[magic moss]

does it actually thats kinda funny

[plain fossil]

It will sometimes move off axis idk why

I think its something to do with mouse movements close to urself

[magic moss]

thats interesting

[plain fossil]

Also giga moonburst is excellent up until exactly 50f where u need to turn blue shields on

At 48 and below i prefer it to dual moonshot

It oneshots most of the screen

I dont like extending wallop as much as u do but i respect that ur probably better at manaless staff

So i assume im just underrating it

[magic moss]

Tierlist in order imo

1. Mirrored Thrasher
2. Wicked Thrasher
3. Rapid Thrasher
4. Giga Moonburst
5. Dual Moonshot
6. Extending Wallop
7. Vampiric Cataclysm
8. Cross Cataclysm
9. Melting Swipe
10. Aetheric Moonburst
11. Rapid Moonshot

[plain fossil]

Thats probably close to what id say

Aetheric moonburst is a funny one, its not that good but it makes u play better if u click it 1 time

[magic moss]

yeah i realized i was too manaless biased considering thats all ive done the past like 2 weeks

[plain fossil]

At least it did for me because the natural tendency is to release at full charge whereas u dont actualyl need to do that

[magic moss]

yeah theres that timing window that just feels bad to play around

[plain fossil]

I mean its a better setup its ok to recommend people the best stuff for the best setup

[magic moss]

im actually swapping melting and aetheric

i really do not like aetheric and think its a giga bait hammer but rapid moonshot is just the worst straight up

[plain fossil]

Nup

[magic moss]

about a month give or take

[plain fossil]

Its been like 3-4 weeks the first 2 times

[magic moss]

ive gotten far to good at manaless staff for my own good

i played like 30 runs of eos today, died to chronos 5 times, got tilted and played a staff run and would have cleared if i didnt hard throw

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1247782897457303562/1256863127212003359/image.png?ex=66825080&is=6680ff00&hm=27610fcc531774aaa0ae3488338b6ef90c9078e404c9d88c2faeafbb224250e7&

this took a while, but I'm glad I kinda get how it works now

[magic moss]

yall are so insanely cracked at this game its unbelievable

[bleak night]

Once you get the build idea from someone and you watch their run, you can pick up the pieces and understand how to do stuff, etc

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1256863923311874199/20240630164757_1.png?ex=6682513e&is=6680ffbe&hm=879f71e64f44e7f186da57cecf5ff647f1de15d1fbf98eebfa0fe2ddc3678cc7&
lmao gg sub 15 50F????

[bronze bear]

huh mel is the best axe?

did you have dashing heave?

[past salmon]

Charon is the easiest 50F probs idk
Took 2 attempts
Got heave end of fields

[magic moss]

Hades 2 50F Clearers as of Patch 3
Staff:
Mel - Foolish
Circe - 虞鱼于渔
Momus (Old) - Nice
Momus (Rework) - Mininet

Blades:
Mel - Mynt
Artemis - Mininet, Mynt, Foolish
Pan - Mynt

Torch:
Mel - Boron
Moros - Foolish, jdeeyu
Eos - Eos' #1 Fan

Axe:
Mel - Mynt, Foolish
Charon - Mynt, Foolish, Zzz
Thanatos - Mynt, Foolish

Skull:
Mel: Fuggles, Boron, Foolish
Medea - Foolish
Persephone - Foolish, Mynt

Current World Record: 52F Charon by Mynt

Am i missing any other clears?

and Mynt cleared 52 with charon right?

[past salmon]

yeah

no vid tho

[magic moss]

im just gonna keep track of every 50F clears cuz this is kinda fun

like unique clears, ik u clear 50F moros like every other run

[past salmon]

yeah

[magic moss]

working rn on an eos 50F clear but after losing to chronos 5 times now i might try some moros first

[past salmon]

yeah me and Mynt have both done quite a few repeats so dont bother recording those lmao

Wait hasnt Mynt done mel skulls
Am I tripping

[magic moss]

yeah they have

[past salmon]

well your thing is wrong then
L

[magic moss]

i dont think a 50F blades run would be possible until this patch now that im thinking about it

[past salmon]

Nah it was
Twoeleven got to fields
Therefore possible

[magic moss]

fair enough

probably going to try for eos, charon, and mel skull clears at 50F for the forseeable future

moros seems fun and all but Cold has convinced me of the eos supremacy

[past salmon]

I'll probs do Eos soon

its one of the fun aspects I have left
lmao
Its all kinda not fun tbh
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1247782897457303562/1256866163540099092/image.png?ex=66825354&is=668101d4&hm=bcf29fbe2137df8dff30332cc13c69264cb430c2031cf9942f648d244fb8c684&

[magic moss]

im just getting incredibly frustrating to die to chronos so many times

[warped topaz]

is 50 fear the max amount currently?

[magic moss]

its 55

[past salmon]

Mynt did 52F if ur asking what wr is

oops wrong reply

[warped topaz]

no worries

[magic moss]

but only foolish is foolish enough to go for it

[past salmon]

look it will happen
And it will be so pog

[magic moss]

can you send/dm me some of your mel skull runs i wanna learn the weapon

[past salmon]

uhhh I only have prepatch runs tbh
My 48F might be good
My 50F is the most absurdly broken ahhh just got insane RNG run of all time lmfao
I cleared again on a worse seed but I didnt record it

[hollow briar]

I’m probably gonna do a single 50F and then call it there lol, not sure what Aspect I wanna do though

[magic moss]

thats fine i just wanna learn the gameplay loop and how to weave in and out without taking too much damage trying to pick up skulls

[bronze bear]

low rarity born gain feels really bad on moros, I think I'd stay with pos or hestia

[past salmon]

its not my favourite yeah
Hestia is ideal
Poseidon kinda sucks too im ngl 💀

Lucid is uhhh
Workable
ig
lmfao

[bronze bear]

yeah I like Hestia most on moros

[past salmon]

Ionic is also workable but the run is kinda miserable

Glamour is way too slow
Dem works
Heph sucks obvs

[bronze bear]

heph gain has no place anywhere except manaless builds

[magic moss]

even then its really garbage since it screws over huntress

[soft relic]

what do y'all think is the best build for moonstone axe (without aspects)
im still trying to beat chronos

[magic moss]

Aphro attack with dashing heave

[past salmon]

Apollo attack works too

[soft relic]

I see

[bronze bear]

is the leaderboard down or changed?

[past salmon]

I think its being worked on or smth

[bronze bear]

what starting keepsake did you use for mel axe?

[past salmon]

Hera and I clicked Engagement ring cuz its broken

[bronze bear]

classic engagement ring

ok will try

[void idol]

Aphro

And focus on pure attack percent damage increases

So furies, huntress, origination are all op

[past salmon]

both

Frog

[honest lodge]

I just used the hera rift damage on omega with moros and that was crazy. You burn through magic crazy fast tho

[faint pasture]

Is it possible to avoid damage from Cronos oneshot with dash? (the one where you have to stand into small circle to not take damage)

[honest lodge]

coarse grit or whatever it's called now is a great take for that

the thing that makes it where you can't take more than 15 damage

but not sure if I frames work for it.

isn't the timing pretty difficult on that anyway?

[faint pasture]

https://youtu.be/tvx9p7GfXcg?t=1651
Just was watching this and not quite sure what happened. Was it dash or something else?

[bleak night]

Oh, it's my video

[honest lodge]

of course it is lol

[bleak night]

Yeah, you can dodge it. Timing is kinda tight though. if you watch my Than run I die to it twice because I try to dodge it

[honest lodge]

that's nuts

[bleak night]

I'm still not able to do it all the time

[faint pasture]

That's crazy 😄

[blazing shale]

Question: when using charon axe, is a chaos boon to improve special damage or cast damage typically better?

[pine wind]

anyone know the length (seconds) for the omega attack channel for daggers? it seems to be 1 maybe but not sure if someone knows exact time

[bleak night]

If Apollo Flourish, Special. If not, Cast

[obsidian shale]

@bleak night I tried the Aphro flutter(heroic) and manage to roll for hammer hell split/exec. Feelsgoodman

mana hungry though

[turbid hull]

· Spirit Surge (Zeus): increased bonus from Poms of Power

It didn't change at all it's still 15 7.5 6 😭 😭 😭

[blazing shale]

Thank you!

[bleak night]

That looks nice

[bronze bear]

Yeah I wouldn't try to dodge the one shot with dash, I think it's gotten harder on patch 3

[turbid hull]

Finished all olympians in the sheet

started adding chaos icons

[bleak night]

Is there a range for the chaos bonuses somewhere in the coding ?

[turbid hull]

I have them all on my sheet dawg 😭

[bleak night]

Oh

Yeah, sure.

[turbid hull]

What's the site again

[turbid hull]

I'm assuming you're refering to this kind of range https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1256918752172445797/image.png?ex=6682844e&is=668132ce&hm=347d355ed073985070f44322c4f31bc5513ddf47d03f8bc25279190c558c8b68&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1440&height=593

[past salmon]

The site is looking good! @solemn loom

[turbid hull]

Yeah, I'm soon done updating the Icons

Well I technically have all boons, but I didn't update all tabs past Chaos for current patch

Ah yeah well for Olympian boons I have all updated already

Chaos done, gtg eat, after I'll do Hexes/Path of Stars

Yeah, only thing I don't have on my sheet are requirements/boons preventing others to spawn I think

[past salmon]

make sure its optional if u do
Sometimes I wont have 12 boons to pick

[honest lodge]

man, just had a run where I had a pommed up heroic hera special on pan with hestia and heph. I got the chaos boon for more elemental power, but the game would not give me the heph or hestia infusion. I had 6 earth and 9 fire too. I also got AQ with scorch cast lol

[bronze bear]

Is aq a 50% boost with scorch? What if origination active?

[past salmon]

uhh let me check

11 with Chaos was my perseph run

I have a ton of Selene upgrades tho lmao

[bronze bear]

I guess we will never know with scorch since I don't think it's damage numbers actually show

Or rather it's probably somewhere obscure in the game files

[turbid hull]

Scorch damage is 80 per second, damage is dealt 6 times per second, so 13.3 damage per tick

[bronze bear]

What happens with aq and origination? And then with ticks faster?

[turbid hull]

I did not check the "faster rate" but I suspect it might just increase the damage instead of the actual rate

AQ affects damage per tick I believe so it basically does 180 damage per sec afaik? I didn't check yet

[bronze bear]

Yeah I was curious if orig applies before or after aq

And if damage increases consume more scorch stacks

[turbid hull]

what's orig again

[bronze bear]

50% dmg 2 curse

[turbid hull]

... what 😭

[summer heart]

+50% damage if an enemy has two curses on it

[bronze bear]

Arcana that +50% dmg if 2 curse active

[turbid hull]

Ah, right, thanks
No clue

[turbid hull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/703931373836304455/1256943362427326527/image.png?ex=66829b3a&is=668149ba&hm=18ceeddba65ef8c72c1196314686fd6b355ea1309ea112aaa7f0b5748597f578&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1440&height=320 wait wha

[past salmon]

yeh

[turbid hull]

Did they completely nuke Readiness?

[tall notch]

What's that?

[turbid hull]

A path of stars upgrade. "You use -10 Magick less than before to recharge your Hex."

[thin kestrel]

mightve been replaced by Growth

and Preparation to some extent

[turbid hull]

Twilight Curse has Readiness removed and nothing added

Nvm it got a new common mb

[magic moss]

yknow how i said staff needed storm ring

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1256953722240765982/image.png?ex=6682a4e0&is=66815360&hm=2599169cf7a3e066cbf03b69e083119f3d97df40337595821b2ab3ba1e0edee5& nvm im just getting disturbingly consistent with this weapon

im like half asleep and barely paying attention

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1256955142348214343/Are_you_kidding_me.mp4?ex=6682a633&is=668154b3&hm=88ae9adca2a247dd4aec3b2395f32e938d1b13beaf7bfbe817ba695bba8b3f02&

honestly im not even mad at this point

welp thats 2/2 erebus clears today just died to carelessness

[past salmon]

strong

I just died to Chronos P2 on two different weapon 50Fs
Actually tragic

I could be 4 aspects away from all aspects 50F right now
|But instead, I am dead

[magic moss]

ripppppppppppp

but i managed to clear erebus with no real boons other than rapid thrasher and a chaos +94% atk boon

[past salmon]

tbf thats basically an attack boon
But thats still good yah

[past salmon]

Also I've done this exact thing its actually tragic innit
Onion WHY?!?

[magic moss]

im moreso saying it for the fact that staff can clear erebus in time without any additional aoe

[past salmon]

yeh but how many free rooms u get doe

[bleak night]

damn you're really going for the 15 ? I'm stopping at all Axes/Skulls/Blades + one staff

[past salmon]

I mean I'm planning on doing torches anyway
Staff is like, really easy I think
Blades tho 💀

[bleak night]

My issue with staff is it's just the same thing 3 times since you kinda don't wanna use omegas

[silent crow]

i did 45f mel skull

[past salmon]

I'm just gonna do a different thing 3 times
I'm thining Freezer Burn run and a Boreal Gust run

[silent crow]

i hated it this weapon is so ass

[past salmon]

[bleak night]

@solemn loom Winter Coat is listed as a legendary for some reason btw

[silent crow]

stupid skulls kept bouncing off of terrain i can barely see

[past salmon]

goddam Epic Lethal Snare u be chunking

[silent crow]

mhm

also got that charm duo boon

it did like nothing 😼

i hope i can do a high fear medea run later thats the skull aspect i actually like

[bleak night]

if you value your sanity, please don't

[silent crow]

dw ill get heroic mint condition itll be ok

[past salmon]

just do it imo
1 try 50F
Go
now
Do it

[silent crow]

mayube 😼

[tall notch]

I'll take a break from high fear, lies of p is on sale so i grabbed that

[bleak night]

tyty. Is it alright if I submit a run even if the YT vid is still processing? Internet on data is pretty slow

yep, thanks.

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1256968989205069856/20240630234548_1.jpg?ex=6682b318&is=66816198&hm=8655ecc412428aa70bb75ad8f3f2b53f46dbf7c926e5155666ada49fbe43d28b&
Its starting to become impressive how often I make tarturus with no time left

[silent crow]

i hate huppos so much

[bleak night]

Nope, Persephone Skull

[past salmon]

Died to timer Chronos P2

[bleak night]

I thought you were done playing Blades

[past salmon]

this was circe actually lmao
idk why she stanced ujp like that

I have like 6 Chronos P2 deaths today man
this sucks lol

[bleak night]

Oh lol. I died in Fields with Medea, this is getting kinda depressign to play

[past salmon]

and they are all to timer

[silent crow]

man why does skull omega atk do nothing

[bronze bear]

me looking at possessed array

[shrewd vortex]

okay so is it just me or when you pick up attack speed boons/hammers with thanatos aspect you get locked in a faster state then it goes down a bit next room

[steel sequoia]

try zeus gain, sprint, ring, sprint fulls the special and you can do something like hera special, ur squishy but do tons of dmg

or zeus dem should be good too

[bleak night]

What the hell is this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1247782897457303562/1256980981060075582/image.png?ex=6682be43&is=66816cc3&hm=9da4df7f839330fbf1776e794cc791bab566b6384794c9142ea496c8bdd3ec8b&

Why do I only have two choices

[tall notch]

Nem stole the third

[bleak night]

No srsly, I F10'd it but this is the second time it's happened to me

[tall notch]

Do you have all your DDs by any chance?

[bleak night]

Yeah, I do

Was it meant to be SurviveSurviveSurvive or something ?

[tall notch]

If I were to guess, the game rolled DD refill and then realised "wait he can't get that, remove this" and didn't roll a replacement

But that's like pure guess, idk if that's actually what happened

[bleak night]

I took so much damage, so it makes sense

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1247782897457303562/1256980831759634503/image.png?ex=6682be1f&is=66816c9f&hm=d775747cde8ba90bbf73e19a368f685e95784963ebc9985c2dda62550f428980& @past salmon

[tall notch]

YOU DID IT

and only lost one DD? you are cracked at this game

[bleak night]

I relied on Heph and Weak spam

I was taking almost no damage from anything

Weak + Strength made Chronos hit me for like 17-20 at a time lol

[tall notch]

ahahahah

[bleak night]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQEb5GP3iM4&ab_channel=Myntkaramell This works now

[tall notch]

Tank Mel was able to take all the hits. Skelly was cooking with the statues, she's got to be buff to handle all that damage

[limpid coral]

Strength card went from being useless to being op with the weak buff

[bronze bear]

chronos weaker than spindle confirmed

[cursive oyster]

wdym

[tall notch]

Wasn't it pretty good with antler armor stack too?

[bronze bear]

how much is weak % now

[cursive oyster]

30

[bronze bear]

damn that is nuts

[cursive oyster]

same as hades 1

[tall notch]

Strength and weak scale additively don't they? So you have a like 80% constant DR

[limpid coral]

Multiplicatively according to others

[cursive oyster]

iirc damage % reductions scale multiplicatively so it would be 65% damage reduction

[tall notch]

Hmm that's still good but not as crazy as it sounded at first. Good thing it isn't mult scaling

[bleak night]

Alright I see why I was taking no damage now

Trusty Shield ate the Suffering, +Weak + Strength + Colossus Driver (-30% when using special)

[limpid coral]

half damage lul

[bleak night]

@solemn loom Ecstatic Obsession isn't in the list of boons btw

[cursive oyster]

i mean diminishing return is still a return

[tall notch]

Who needs coarse grit at this point

[bleak night]

I'll go ahead and upload this ig

[cursive oyster]

i love that we all still call it coarse grit

[bleak night]

Echo bug probs shouldn't disquality it, yeah? If anything I had less options

[tall notch]

I don't think any bugs are disqualified in EA. If they were, you wouldn't be able to pom boons because of the arrogance thing

[limpid coral]

call fv final verdict cause if u get it u win

[tall notch]

I've not seen that boon since it became water, I don't even know what its new name is

[bleak night]

true ig

[cursive oyster]

frosty veneer

[tall notch]

Just call it winter coat at this point since they renamed the actual winter coat to something else and it's a sick name

[bleak night]

a Medea run with more special damage than attack damage is kinda funny

[tall notch]

A Medea run where you didn't lose all your DDs is kinda funny to me

[turbid hull]

Finished Arachne, Circe, Charon, Echo, Hades, Icarus, Medea and Narcissus on the spreadsheet

[bleak night]

ooh, nice

[turbid hull]

nothing changed except for icons

and the new Charon item

[bleak night]

does that have an icon yet ?

[turbid hull]

No, it's the A keepsake icon

[bleak night]

Ah, alright. I should've known that since I just bought it twice earlier lol

[bronze bear]

wow you went for chaos in room 2 and got a major room after, I didn't know that was possible lol

[steel sequoia]

we dont get selene every 1st boon now, thats huge.

[bleak night]

Really? I've seen it quite a fair bit

[bronze bear]

every time I take a chaos in rooms 1-3, my first major boon shows up room 5

[bleak night]

unlucky

[turbid hull]

time for keepsakes..

[bleak night]

Oh, so room 4 is the major find then ?

since Chaos is room 3, essentially

[bronze bear]

yeah

[bleak night]

seems to happen quite a fair bit, then, no ?

[bronze bear]

I haven't really seen it, but I've also since given up on taking early chaos as a result

[bleak night]

huh? You just fight the next room instead of taking Chaos ?

[bronze bear]

yeah, whenever I take chaos as my room 2 or 3, my first major is room 5

[bleak night]

btw I might take a break for a few days in terms of high fear running. I might go again in maybe 2-3 days

I really don't want to get burned out

I've just submitted 6 aspects in the past two days, so I def feel like I'm at my wit's end

[turbid hull]

wait, they did make keepsake level 4 stronger

[cursive oyster]

taking a god keepsake in erebus prevents selene from appearing now

[tall notch]

Same for level 6 aspects, they improved the scalings

[bleak night]

Ah, nice

[turbid hull]

I didn't see it being mentioned in the patch notes, unlike the level 6 aspects

What's the thing that increases keepsakes again?

[tall notch]

It's someone's duo boon, I don't remember which one

Hera and... someone I believe

[bleak night]

Cherished Heirloom

[turbid hull]

Hera Demeter

[tall notch]

I wish these god icons were in this server

[turbid hull]

Aight. brb, and then I update keepsakes

White Antler's level 4 scaling is absurd

[bleak night]

It's 50, right ?

[turbid hull]

Yeah

The other Keepsakes I covered until now basically act as if their rank 4 was a rank 5

White Antler acts as if it was a rank 7

[bleak night]

It got gutted a lot, so makes sense ig lol

[turbid hull]

wdym?

[bleak night]

Only usable in one region now

[civic ocean]

It's a much weaker keepsake overall than it used to be.

[bleak night]

also it changes your max HP to 30 rather than activates if your hp is low

[turbid hull]

Ah, right

Sorry

[thin kestrel]

i like the current version more tbh

[turbid hull]

For now only white antler acts as a rank 7 instead of 5

[thin kestrel]

you don't have to do gymnastics to avoid sources of max hp anymore

[turbid hull]

So Silver Wheel, aromatic phial and concave stone are the only unupdated keepsakes

nvm, crystal figurine too

[robust prism]

same

also kinda makes things more interesting in speedruns and stuff

[turbid hull]

keepsakes are updated

next is aspects...

what's the thing that upgrades them again? circe or medea?

[thin kestrel]

heph legendary

[turbid hull]

thx

[bleak night]

Oh, should I look through my old clear videos to see what extra 4 can be added to each one ? I also just submitted a Medea one 30 minutes ago lol

[turbid hull]

Oh nah, Perfect aspects are crazy

Some of them act as rank VIII (Perfect +2) would if it was linear

and some others "only" as rank VII (Perfect+1)

[bleak night]

That's fair then, yeah. Medea run vid should be up now

[turbid hull]

Perfect Moros aspect is +105%

[magic moss]

can you like stop recording so i can accuse of cheating and feel better about myself cuz holy hell you are a monster my 🐐

[void idol]

Is Medea or Persephone better for skull Omega special spam build with aphro

And what's the best magick regen for that aside from born gain

[spare kite]

Medea bonus is normal special iirc, so perse

[void idol]

Alrigt

What about regen cause I ran both glamour gain and tranquil gain and both were ehh

[pseudo sequoia]

probably lucid gain or hearth gain

[steel sequoia]

zeus/hera/hestia

[silent crow]

damn i js did 47f eos first try

it feels kinda braindead

[bleak night]

I thought they nerfed Momus Poseidon spam ?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1239231202674606130/1257014362212794480/image.png?ex=6682dd5a&is=66818bda&hm=408760d05ee40270341131a8e90efcd02ed73835de6434fb3b6f31eca1434e44&

[spare kite]

Died 2024
Born 2024
Welcome back momus poseidon

[bleak night]

@solemn loom there's no option for Zeus sprint btw

[turbid hull]

Wtf The Messenger got nuked??

[bleak night]

Yeah, it's 5% now

[turbid hull]

Sheesh

[pseudo sequoia]

it's a 1 cost card now though i think that's fair enough

[turbid hull]

Fair

[steel sequoia]

Mynt ur sick congratz

[void idol]

Skull Omega special spam is a little too op

It's so incredibly safe with moros pin

This and possessed array are the only two builds that work for me with skull

[snow viper]

Last night, I had the aspect of Thanatos and landed four or five boons that buffed the special. Was consistently doling out 1,500-2K+ damage. Felt god-like.

[void idol]

Controversial opinion, but I think skull is the best weapon in the game

Without counting boons, aspects and other buffs

[steel sequoia]

i also think skulls are the strongest, if they made it weaker nobody would play cause weird aspect

[bleak night]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCWXk_a5EWI Staff is pretty much just like this, lol

I did use the Momus aspect's unique traits sometimes, but not all too much

[snow viper]

I hate how good the runs are with the skull. I DON'T like it as a weapon (completely subjective--it's just not my style), but I always melt enemies with it.

[faint pasture]

What's the best build for the Aspect of Pan (for 32+ Fear)?

[bleak night]

Try Engagement Ring and Scorch Special, don't even need to place the Cast underneath the enemies, just plop it down 24/7 so they all get Hitch tagged

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1256659363620323379/Engagement_Ring_is_pretty_good.mp4?ex=6682e43b&is=668192bb&hm=5ed271427cecb55d225a9dd3145cafa26b9c51f37f72613aaca328410d8bf963&

[faint pasture]

Looks good! So the idea is that you Hitch them with your Cast and it makes all enemies share damage from the Scorch?

[bleak night]

Yep, pretty much. You can even choose to do Flame Strike instead of Flame Flourish

[faint pasture]

Yeah gonna try it for sure, thanks. I've seen that run earlier, but could not get the idea

[forest forum]

Question: How does the Death Arcana interact with Aspect of Charon? Do effects tied to your Omega Cast get a 15% crit chance if activated by your Omega Special, only some, or none?

[bleak night]

Just the first one has a 15% crit rate, sadly.

[forest forum]

So, the Omega Spec and the first part of the Omega Cast, or does it not affect the Omega Cast when used this way?

[bleak night]

The arcana doesn't recognize a blown up Omega Cast via Charon Omega Special as a separate instance, so it remains stuck on the Omega Special as the previously used move until you maybe do a 10 mana whirlwind

[steel sequoia]

charon dmg is high anyways

[tender anvil]

Ok, done with Charon 50, was a lot worse than I imagined

[steel sequoia]

i feel Easy Shot is weird tho

[tender anvil]

Erebus is a total nightmare. Like my second exit was the 50 success, rest of the run is so much easier

[ripe ore]

Any tips on how to pick the fear vows for 32 fear? I play way slower then I play the fist game so I’m a bit scared to push the deadline too far (also no extreme measures yet so no easy big fears)

Kind of want to at least get through the surface before they add new biomes

[forest forum]

RIP

You're still gonna use both Omega Atk and Omega Spec with Charon, though, so Death might still be good on it.

[faint pasture]

This is my setup:
https://imgur.com/a/2qUdrNt

[forest forum]

So, what is the common consensus on Poseidon/Apollo's Duo?

[silent crow]

I HATE STAFF

[thin kestrel]

ball goes sploosh

[knotty fulcrum]

frr. I will never understand how tf I got 47f on it. struggled all day today to get 43

[steel sequoia]

i tried to make it work for persephone and looks pretty damn god on paper i just need to get the duo soon lmao

its a meme tho i dont think you can 50f with it

[lament spoke]

how do people work out good builds. I am so confused

[wild swan]

I have yet to get the Beach Ball to actually hit anything except totally be accident

[steel sequoia]

well people have like 200h of playtime so they know everything basically

[lament spoke]

fr

[knotty fulcrum]

not really that hard ig. mostly just based around a duo or around the aspect

[lament spoke]

mmkay

[steel sequoia]

i myself have 199 hrs on record lmao

[lament spoke]

I like the aphrodite/zeus duo

[honest lodge]

you can also look up the boons somewhere and then think about what has good synergy with a weapon

[lament spoke]

see I'm a plot girlie. I'm here to be bisexual

[honest lodge]

lol

[knotty fulcrum]

you can try dem/hestia duo if you want smth fun. I think hestia attack and dem cast should work

[lament spoke]

interesting

[honest lodge]

so you are an enthusiast for other stuff too then

[lament spoke]

my favourite hades build was fists + ares/athena which. is basic but that's fine

[knotty fulcrum]

I think there is smth similar. oh that's aphro zeus no?

[honest lodge]

I loved posi/zeus with fists.

[oblique crater]

1. Look at Air Quality's description
2. Think of all the boons that do small ticks of damage over time
3. Assemble this game's version of Merciful End
4. Profit

with secret step 5: realize that Heroic Volcanic Strike is still better 😂

[honest lodge]

hahaha

[lament spoke]

yeup

wait. air quality ?

[honest lodge]

use large AoE hera move. Volcanic blast someone

[thin kestrel]

can't deal less than 30 dmg if you have 5 air or more

[oblique crater]

Zeus Infusion Boon that needs 5 Air

[lament spoke]

OH YEAH THAT ONE

i am aware of that. I need to acquire it

[oblique crater]

I got it and my Cyclone Sprint was soloing Hoplites in Tartarus

Also had a bunch of other neat stuff like Scorch and Static Shock

Never felt so busted

[steel sequoia]

something like this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1256621856216318045/20240629114421_1.jpg?ex=6682c14d&is=66816fcd&hm=089cb8557cf4a90ff783cd26d9320e4503b639c173a49e115c5a3fd9d741a732&

[lament spoke]

chomp

[honest lodge]

nice

I was running it with pan yesterday with hera special and volcanic strikes def put in work

[steel sequoia]

hera and dem are S+ tier imo

[ocean ibex]

does the furies count cast damage?

[honest lodge]

I believe so

[ocean ibex]

like on charon, do the cleave-cast and the omega special both o +30% damage?

[knotty fulcrum]

try it on skelly and tell us. Im curious. also I think cast hits before special so I don't think it will count for special

[ocean ibex]

387-182 with furies
313-140 without

i also have night on

[knotty fulcrum]

you don't have arcana cards maxed or smth? I remember cast hiting for 400 without boons

[ocean ibex]

i dont have charon maxed

[knotty fulcrum]

oh ok makes sense

[ocean ibex]

maaaan i dont like how its much harder to fit orgination

[knotty fulcrum]

for charon or in general?

[ocean ibex]

in general

3 was too low but i think 5 is too high

[knotty fulcrum]

oh I thought you were saying it's hard to trigger it

[ocean ibex]

also it's crazy how excellence costs 5 and divinity is basically free

[knotty fulcrum]

but yeah I think it's worth 5 grasp tho

[honest lodge]

yeah that move on origination totally messed up builds

[ocean ibex]

im legit considering dropping titan lol

[knotty fulcrum]

I think the meta is to not run boatman anymore. even tho that's sad

[ocean ibex]

6 rolls...............

[honest lodge]

yeah, you can get by without boatman

[ocean ibex]

imo they should swap em

[knotty fulcrum]

which one was divinity? and divinity I really don't remember

[honest lodge]

Boatman is honestly overpriced. Unless you run into an early shop you won't lack funds to buy what you need. Especially useless when going up. It good cause it activates the extra rolls

[woeful wind]

Quick question: If I activate the new Death Arcana card when using Than aspect, does the 15% crit chance only apply to the first hit of the omega attack spin or does it work for the entire span of the attack? It states it only activates if the previous omega move is different..

[ocean ibex]

divinity is 0 cost, activate any row or column +20%(?) epic chance, excellence is 5 cost +50% rare chance

[knotty fulcrum]

I mean it gives you 4 rerolls + 300 coins and you always want to get mid shop if you run high fear so it is quite good

[knotty fulcrum]

oh yeah I don't think excellence is ever worth running. also wasn't it 40% at max level

[ocean ibex]

its +50 rare

it costs as much as origination which is like.... lol

especially when if you are making good arcana builds you can easily activate divinity

[knotty fulcrum]

yeah but the thing is you want like 2-3 boons to be high rarity the others don't matter

so yeah 5 is way to much now that I think about it

[ocean ibex]

3 is probably good

for the same effect

[honest lodge]

and if taking Hera in your build you can just raise all common boons to rare, which makes increased rarity cards less useful

[knotty fulcrum]

when I started playing I was always using excellence so it will trick some new players

[ocean ibex]

generally, getting 1-2 poms on any boon is enough to make it on par or better than rare

[knotty fulcrum]

it was mostly to activate divinity tho

[honest lodge]

it does make it a lot more likely to get an epic from your keepsake choice that you can rarify to heroic tho

[ocean ibex]

well it used to cost 3, which was fine

[honest lodge]

then you pom it and it's bonkers

[ocean ibex]

5 is wayyyy too high

[knotty fulcrum]

oh they raised it ok

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah excellence is way too expensive

[steel sequoia]

bruh i wish i had more rooms to get all the duos this is so fun https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1257075979244011593/20240630174852_1.jpg?ex=668316bc&is=6681c53c&hm=95c0324369868bea1a0966557424ddd3d8ea31eb7328f73e94486dc5f44c0b04&

[cursive oyster]

they didn’t, excellence always cost 5

[steel sequoia]

EOS rainbow is peak gaming https://www.tiktok.com/@inosuk3das/video/7386403214171622662

[tall notch]

eos ❤️

[silent crow]

eos is weirdly good

[steel sequoia]

its a moros that you dont need to do much more

[silent crow]

im kinda sad its just hold attack to win and the specials suck but what can ya do

[steel sequoia]

if you use specials as hera to buff heist around it helps a lot

also you usually will want hearth gain so hera+hestia duo

[past salmon]

Just run engagement ring 💀

[silent crow]

ya engagement ring kinda makes that obsolete

[oblique crater]

Honestly I like Melinoe the best

The new mobility boosts while firing really make me appreciate the extra time on the Omega spesh

Easy Blitz cannon or scorchstacker or whatever, take your pick on synergies

[tall notch]

Eos copying omega specials can be very high and safe damage but it's too much setup compared to just getting things that buff your attack more

I had runs where I clicked Zeus special and Daybreaker would solo Chronos if I sent it in and spammed special from a distance

[plain fossil]

Its also less safe than regular special bc ur less mobile while spamming it

Im a fan of zeus special on eos, also a fan of static strike

[tall notch]

what's static strike

[plain fossil]

The 50 prime

[tall notch]

oh

[plain fossil]

Ur spamming either regular attack or regular special most of the time and they hit pretty quick, knock off shields etc

[tall notch]

Ngl I am scared of priming that much with arrogance

[plain fossil]

Oh i dont use enough mana on eos for that to be an issue

Like u can sit there all day on 20-30 mana and its whatever right

[tall notch]

Yeah but with arrogance, early static shock might mean you won't even have mana for a single daybreaker

[plain fossil]

Well im not advocating u prime urself down to 0, to be clear

[tall notch]

Clicking static with arrogance and divinity active tends to prime me out more often than not

[plain fossil]

Game gives me a lot of free poms now what with artificer etc so its usually ok

Maybe once they fix the prime bug it'll be different

[plain fossil]

Also i dont have divinity active on eos arcana, whats ur setup

Do u run origination maybe?

[tall notch]

Yeah, I run the entirety of row 3 as I don't wanna drop any of the stuff there

Origination is just so good on Eos and it does need the dps

[plain fossil]

Oh how do u fit origination and unseen

[tall notch]

I don't click boatman

[plain fossil]

Neither do i

Id post my setup but im on phone

Of the things id consider optional ive got huntress and artificer on, maybe i should drop those for origination but artificer is rly good

[tall notch]

Drop huntress, it doesn't do that much for Eos

Sure you attack a lot but it has low power anyway

[plain fossil]

Well it does but only if ur not running unseen

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1255651184631615558/image.png?ex=6682850b&is=6681338b&hm=84b2561bd859f9e8d0f89dd3b5265deff6a81e9cf14a1aa1a9a1fed4c009b4f1& dug out my 50f setup for Eos

[magic moss]

fury over titan?

thats my exact eos setup but swapped fury and titan cuz i have titan

[plain fossil]

Oh u dropped titan

[tall notch]

Yeah because I wanted more % scaling for daybreaker, wasn't sure which of the two I should keep and had a bit of a back and forth there

[plain fossil]

No wonder u dont wanna click static shock lul

I think titan makes more sense as eos does a lot of damage outside its cast

[silent crow]

oh dropping huntress and titan for orig that makes sense

[tall notch]

Bosses should be inside your cast most of the time though and Eos' single target isn't that amazing even after they fixed tracking

[plain fossil]

Well my logic is that eos is a build thats going to have a lot of % increases on all its damage already and titan gives u more boon flexibility and error margin in rooms

[tall notch]

At blood 3 suffering 2, most things that oneshot you early seem to do so regardless of titan hp increase from what I noticed, like these oceanus trident guys

[silent crow]

112!

[plain fossil]

Thats the only one

[silent crow]

orig makes sense i think on eos i rely on the cast a lot for single target

[plain fossil]

If u dont have frinos as well then a lot of things sit in that breakpoint between 30 and 70 hp, and if u do then the big brute guys and spindles both hit for over 70

Anyway i need to look at daybreaker again, last patch the explosions worked with huntress but someone told me this patch they dont

[silent crow]

they dont

[plain fossil]

I should retest

[tall notch]

There's an argument for both furies and titan I suppose. I just chose furies because single target was something I noticed I was struggling with. Especially early into the run where I don't have all my % increases

[tired fulcrum]

I think i tested moros omega and it still works with huntress probably maybe

[plain fossil]

Although if ur running unseen it doesnt matter since ur always full mana

[silent crow]

my eos 47 doesnt have orig so my single target sucked

[plain fossil]

Last patch i clicked born gain a lot

And it def worked with huntress then, 300 dmg explosions room 1 were p good

[tired fulcrum]

I mean if you keep rechanneling the big guy you stay below 100%

[plain fossil]

Yea sure but its hard to do that if ur at high enough fear to click blue shields

[tired fulcrum]

Assuming you dont also have an actual gain

[tall notch]

I thiiiiiink I tested and huntress didn't work on daybreaker after patch 3

[silent crow]

blue shields seemed free on eos

[tired fulcrum]

Just click hera cast and they free on everything

[tall notch]

There are weapons worse at dealing with them but new Eos struggles against them more than any other torch imo

Because your Daybreaker can't just go off and clear everything before you even reach it

[silent crow]

well the other torches demolish them so thats a high bar

[silent crow]

thats fair

[plain fossil]

I dont mind blue shields on eos but u really cant play it as anything other than daybreaker --> regular special spam

If u rechannel daybreakers then u never kill anything

[silent crow]

idk is 47f high enough to prove anything

[plain fossil]

I mean sure

[silent crow]

i didnt click special once that run

[plain fossil]

I dont think we're all 50f or bust elitists here

[tall notch]

What were you not running for 47f? Onion?

[silent crow]

yep lol

[plain fossil]

Eos is honestly one of the best aspects at dealing with onion it barely needs anything

[tall notch]

I find that with onion I was regular specialling a lot in the first few chambers where I played boonless, then not really past that point

[tired fulcrum]

I was like 20 seconds from killing chronos in 48 fear and i just attack spammed

[silent crow]

that makes sense

[plain fossil]

It just doesnt have any damage

[tired fulcrum]

Though my damage was also garbage since i had nothing but a rare unpommed hestia attack

[silent crow]

the specials seem to do like no damage

[plain fossil]

Idk maybe im just slower than u guys but i was not beating 5min 2rev timer with shields if i didnt special spam

[silent crow]

they can barely hit their mark

[plain fossil]

Ye they dont

They do base 15 damage but u only need 1 to kill shields

[silent crow]

not picking onion probably helps my erebus

[plain fossil]

Anyway base attack does 15 damage soooo

[tired fulcrum]

when they gunna unnerf special

[silent crow]

but i thought eos was one of the better aspects for timer

[plain fossil]

Its okay

[silent crow]

20

[plain fossil]

Skulls are faster, moros is way faster, charon is faster

[silent crow]

i think i just hate staff a lot

[plain fossil]

Staff is about the same speed i think?

[silent crow]

imo staff sucks balls at timer it was easily the worst for me

[plain fossil]

I didnt play much manaless staff and mana momus is one of the slowest aspects

[tired fulcrum]

Base staff is awful, need mirrored thrasher and an attack boon

[plain fossil]

But manaless staff seems very quick if u get mirrored thrasher

[silent crow]

maybe pos attacj start isnt the play but hera cast start makes you take 20 seconds to kill lurkers

[silent crow]

i went 14s overtime on timer getting mirrored in chamber 4

i only had a rare pos attack but man

[plain fossil]

As previously pointed out here, erebus is more about room rng than anything else

[tall notch]

Yeah with onion you kinda need to highroll into getting your boon room 2 if you want to make it out of Erebus with Eos

[silent crow]

that makes sense

[plain fossil]

If i get shop up against arachne i tilt

[silent crow]

ya but getting hammer early on staff seems just as important

sometimes it literally just doesnt show up

[plain fossil]

I mean nobody is suggesting staff isnt hammer dependent lul

[silent crow]

or its pitted against chaos or some garbage

[plain fossil]

Its just every aspect is room rng dependent on top

[silent crow]

ik that but man it sucks for timer too

[tall notch]

I don't think I'm going to push with no mana staff, I hate hammer reliance

[plain fossil]

I dont mind it if u have like 4 hammers that work

[silent crow]

i did my 47f with manaless staff and im never doing it again

[tall notch]

Eos is nice because there are a plenty of hammers that are nice to have but none that you outright have to take in order to clear

[silent crow]

the only weapon i havemt done 45+ on is blades

im super excited for that

[tall notch]

Are you really

[silent crow]

no.

[plain fossil]

/s

[silent crow]

i did a buncj of attempts already

[plain fossil]

I have a 42 on blades im not going higher than that

Revenants are the actual nut low on that aspect

[silent crow]

the damage is actually ok in erebus with wave strike i hust need final slice early probs

[plain fossil]

Someone said flame strike is the go

[silent crow]

is it

[plain fossil]

I didnt try i just clicked wave strike

[silent crow]

ill try flame

[silent crow]

tbf thats most non blade/staff aspects

[plain fossil]

Anyway blades suck dont click em at high fear unless u like cbt

[silent crow]

i just wanna have clears on all weps man

[plain fossil]

I still dont have a skull clear above 32 lul

[silent crow]

i did mel 45 it was boring

[plain fossil]

Im useless with skulls always miss

[silent crow]

i hate picking up ammo

i can barely see it on the ground

its like they colored it specifically to blend in

[plain fossil]

Clearly the plan is click FETCHING ARRAY

Which is rly slow btw idk why

[silent crow]

i love cutting my dmg by 1/3 to recall my skulls at the same speed i wouldve picked them up

[plain fossil]

Ok but u dont have to pick up ammo

[silent crow]

honestly most skull hammers suck but it doesnt matter the weapon is js good

[plain fossil]

So u get to not have an aneurysm

I didnt try new possessed array is it clickable

[silent crow]

bolstered array is good but i didnt get it

[silent crow]

i didnt get that one either .-. i got looming ignition babyy

[plain fossil]

I like that one

[silent crow]

its fun ya

[plain fossil]

It makes up for my incompetence

[silent crow]

still not 100% sure if it increases blast size or not

[plain fossil]

It does trust me lul

[silent crow]

lul

i havent done a perseph run but i assume unseen is the pick

[plain fossil]

Ya

[silent crow]

and then just storm ring or smth

idk solo storm ring seems super weak

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1257103887521939456/image.png?ex=668330ba&is=6681df3a&hm=e99e380df0a712de73d09932b6f48cc8d1525cc20d35fc10acb7dc5353ade3f3& I'm gonna be sad if I don't get love handles

[steel sequoia]

i was just trying that

actually i was trying hestia+aphro+heph

but ur build looks better lmao

[spare kite]

chaos stop offering me barren

[steel sequoia]

i got Hot Flash instead

[spare kite]

also why is heroic chaos scaling so bad

[steel sequoia]

but you need Love Handles duo for the build to be epic

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1257105017203327036/image.png?ex=668331c7&is=6681e047&hm=9091dac05de650f6510674fcdd8fd0a9851e0eafde2115bf257dc4ef7013d1e0&

[silent crow]

rng

chaos scaling is wack you can get epic attack buffs that only give 50%

[analog ether]

Huh. This is interesting. There is technically a way to gain a boon that has been removed by Forsaking.

[steel sequoia]

loves handle, sunny disposition, chain reaction duos.
so you need heartrob, hearth gain, heph atk and blind sprint to be legit.

[steel sequoia]

upload that fight

[analog ether]

Started off with Arctic Ring. Sacrificed it to get Smolder Ring. And now, Arctic Ring has appeared again, via Sacrificing Smolder Ring.

[spare kite]

the slowdown is so bad lmfao

[analog ether]

Seems like Sacrificing a boon puts it back into boon pool, bypassing Forsaking?

[silent crow]

arctic ring isnt forsaken

[spare kite]

yeah, forsaking only deletes stuff you don't take

[analog ether]

.... I'm dumb. Ignore me.

[steel sequoia]

this is cool, hard to do https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1257106305982927039/20240630181416_1.jpg?ex=668332fb&is=6681e17b&hm=5ede3b3db7329268858f4f64b3d9bb8d261fc7359cbfae30f11c09677a0c0c62&

hera ring helps a lot

[spare kite]

grandpa time

couldn't get heph's cd to 2s tho

[silent crow]

aww your game only runs at speeds equivalent to an n64 and not an nes!

[hollow briar]

Ouroboros

[forest forum]

Would Beach Ball be too strong if it could be launched by just a dash instead of a sprint?

[silent crow]

probably yeah

[spare kite]

yeah

[silent crow]

beach ball is fine i think

[forest forum]

Hades 1 Demeter Dash 2.0

[silent crow]

you can do the same trick people use to use nitro boost shields

[spare kite]

if only dem's dash was a 10% of the strength of B.ball lmfao

[spare kite]

https://youtu.be/aPCOjJPhSQA

[forest forum]

BB is fun in concept (and does a hefty chunk), it just feels akward to use.

[past pewter]

Bball is an unfortunate abbreviation

[spare kite]

[forest forum]

I was thinking maybe it could launch a weaker version at the end of a dash that didn't transition into a sprint and you could charge it up by sprinting.

I like the idea that someone suggested that it should inflict Splash, tho.

[timber pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1257111638251929670/image.png?ex=668337f2&is=6681e672&hm=d88b4d3cc042f02300149b13fe8f11821cd234afeedbd49fa2489848711f37db& I have cooked, Medea is still fast. I think I might be done for a bit though lol

[digital hazel]

now that the good apollo cast is a tier 2 boon, what do you guys think is the best tier 1 cast for charon axe?

[silent crow]

apollo was rly bad for old charon

i think its hera cast tho

hera cast is the best boon in the game rn

[digital hazel]

was it bad? it always felt like really solid damage to me, but im a low fear gamer still

[silent crow]

it prevented u from placing the cast somewhere else

base omega cast already does 400 so spamming that is more valuable than waitimg for the flare

[steel sequoia]

its fine, but there were better options, specially for high fear. now hera is probably the best god for charon

[timber pawn]

it was kind of overkill for most things, it turns out

[spare kite]

your cast does 400 dmg from chamber 1 so you are better off just constantly blowing it up

[timber pawn]

apollo start for lucid gain and then kind of whichever cast tbh

[steel sequoia]

i dont use the moon arcana tho

[spare kite]

so just take whatever gives you origination

[steel sequoia]

lucid gain and supernova and basically anything works with charon

[silent crow]

supernova sucks on charon

[steel sequoia]

it blows the entire size even if it didnt extended

[spare kite]

huh I thought it worked?

[silent crow]

rly

ig thats quite good then nvm lol

[steel sequoia]

yeah its good for chaos and persephone

[silent crow]

apollo special is also rly strong

[steel sequoia]

yup, also dazes

they splitted Prominence Flare so its awesome now

[silent crow]

idk how much i like daze the t2's suck on it

[steel sequoia]

but then in low fear i think you can win even without a ring lmao

[steel sequoia]

its for origination

idc about daze, just 1 less god to put origination

[silent crow]

thats fair

[steel sequoia]

the dream is apollo+dem cyclone

[silent crow]

i do like the ability to scale up a status effect tho
daze is good on its own at least

[steel sequoia]

apo+pos are good if you dont mix geyser and flare too

[silent crow]

i havent gotten that yet lol

[steel sequoia]

i always get dem sprint or cyclone to make origination with apollo, its the easiest

[silent crow]

i feel like i should go for hail storm/that duo more

[plain fossil]

Cyclone is rly fun

It doesnt do good boss damage but its great at killing rooms especially early

I think the freeze lightning bolts are better tho

[steel sequoia]

im hera+hestia fanboy now

[twin light]

Which Cast is the best for charging up Persephone Special?

[spare kite]

Zeus afaik

[plain fossil]

I like storm ring but many of them are pretty good now

Heph is fine, some ppl use demeter, u can probably try poseidon if u dont have blue shields on

[analog ether]

Frack, Trial of Haste is hard.

[steel sequoia]

apollo+poseidon but you cant get Prominence Flare never

pos got some omega buffs that worth for persephone

you can also charge well with poseidon or zeus sprint

[spare kite]

zeus sprint?

[steel sequoia]

yup, charges persephone

[spare kite]

isn't it only supposed to be cast dmg

[steel sequoia]

well that

im not sure about the poseidon but i think zeus sprint charges it, it really didnt occured me it were wrong or supposed to be a bug

[analog ether]

Is it just me, or did they change the Eos omega attack so that it changes direction randomly?

[magic moss]

it auto targets and pathfinds

[tired fulcrum]

Hail storm is great if you want to not be able to see anything

[tall notch]

If I don't see any enemy projectiles on my screen, they can't hit me... right?

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1226642940764487690/1255727063529422869/Hades_II_2024-06-26_20-25-09_-_Trim.mp4?ex=6682cbb6&is=66817a36&hm=416fb860794cb714dce97737ab8a5bc47fa791558056c593264616e5ebe3bfcb& the hailstorm experience

Possessed array doesnt help either

[timber pawn]

it homes in on enemies

[tired fulcrum]

Its pretty reliable now

[timber pawn]

are you still doing high fear stuff or just kind of hanging out now

[magic moss]

im like on the verge of stopping

i have hit chronos like over a dozen times and have all died to phase 2.2

[timber pawn]

50 strikes me as...unpleasant

[timber pawn]

have you considered save-stating a 50 run at chronos and just grinding that for a bit

[twin light]

@untold steppe Hey I saw your post on #h2-feedback message and I think you're probably using Medea wrong, like no offense since I thought the same as well

The actual way to use Medea is to have Zeus Attack or Special, then you just Attack 1x -> Special -> Repeat.

[magic moss]

eos 7 times, charon once, moros twice

[tired fulcrum]

Ive decided that its more fun to to random stuff at lower fear and do random high heats in h1 when i feel like it lol

[untold steppe]

If the "right way" to play an aspect is 'get one specific boon and rinse and repeat the same attack forever' then it's a poorly designed aspect

[timber pawn]

ya I noticed you posting stuff on the h1 speedcord channels so I was curious haha

[amber osprey]

Charon users have left the chat

[silent crow]

not really

[twin light]

I mean... isn't that a lot of weapons in both games?